The Dollop with Dave Anthony and Gareth Reynolds - 603 - Mad Joseph McDowell

Episode Date: October 10, 2023

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So this is a return episode. This is another one where the recording was not good. So we're going to do it again. And by the way, if you hear any clinking or anything, Luke is eating, oatmeal on the floor. Well, it's the everything Luke is consuming is in 10. And so he's made the decision to make sure that everything he has is made of a clanging metal. And right now, oatmeal might come out of his nose, but he's eating oatmeal from a tin can. and right now oatmeal might come out of his nose, but he's eating oatmeal from a tin can, and he's eating and drinking his drink from a big tin cup.

It's pretty normal over here. Yeah. So if it sounds like Chitty Chitty Bang Bang, it's just Luke, he's tinted it up. Yeah, he's tinted to win it. Speaking of which April Fool's Day, 1805. Was it real air? You just ate a really bad chance.

It's really the day. Is that a joke though? That's real. Or are you, is this a? This is the actual podcast. Are you doing it in a, no, this is real. It's the real date. Okay.

No, no, trust me. Well, I feel like around the corner is going to be an eight. No, no, no, I'm not going to fall for it. When do theoh was born. Joseph Nash McDowell was born in Lexington, Kentucky. Okay. The Kentucky as they call it. Is that right?

Yep. His family was respected and had been part of the founding of the country. His father fought with Washington and served. George Washington? Yep, the same, the George. He served in Kentucky's first state legislature, but Joseph did not follow in the family military tradition. Okay.

As a boy, Joseph was fascinated with his uncle Ephraim. Sure. He's doctor. Where did we record this originally? This was recorded in Lexington, Kentucky. Did we do want to Lexington? I don't know. I think we did want to Louisville, didn't we?

Yeah, yeah. We did want to Louisville. I think it was Louisville, didn't we? OK. But it was definitely Kentucky. OK. I don't think there's any other cities there. Yeah, there aren't. So Ephraim's a doctor.

And he made history in 1806 when he took a huge tumor out of a woman. Whoa. Good for him. He did the operation on a dining table in the guest room of his house with no anesthesia or antibiotics or pain killers. Whoa. So a natural tumor. Whoa. So they call that. That's a natural. I love it. Tumor.

Boy, that must have really hurt. Oh my god. That's been a really good long term, but man. Get me shit face. Oh my God, I'm the table. Yeah. We were going to have macaroni. Shush, this is perfect. Yeah, you got to clean it up and eat there the next day. It's going to be kind of weird. I don't know. Boy, that would be nuts. And do you eat the tumor? I don't want to talk to you on the rest of this episode. I tell you what, I've put some tumor recipes up on the website.

Go ahead and check them out, put their all kinds, sauteed, baked, and everything. What's in there? It's too merit. What's in there? It's too merit. So the tumor was too big to take out through it. I can't believe we're following the tumor.

Yeah, yeah, we're going with the tumor. The tumor was too big to take out. I can't believe we're following the tumor. Yeah, yeah, we're going with the tumor. The tumor was too big to take out through the incision, so he drained it. But it's not a good incision, by the way. No, no, it's fine. He drained the tumor until it was small enough to remove. Let me just, I'm going to take some of the tumor water out of this. Just under 22 pounds. Holy fuck.

So she was, she had one of those tumors of me. You look pregnant I would assume like it's a big ass tumor. What a switch so if it yeah Neff you and assisted one of his nephews I surely not be was like I guess All right now we got to cut it we got to cut the tumor and drain it a little before we yank it out of the hole in your Hands I didn't know you could drain tumors, but we're all learning a little bit. Yeah, no, that is crazy. You know, it comes out of him as putting a crowd gather. It looks famished. Butterscotch.

Luke just picked up his pudding to people. Don't know that's where butterscotch pudding comes from. I think we shouldn't do this part anymore. Okay. A crowd gathered outside the house because no one understood what this doctor man was doing. Yeah. They were angry and excited and waiting to see

what would come from him. Quote, butchering a woman. I mean, I, I, I, I always look to put myself in the head of the people and I, I think I would be in the crowd be like, you can't do that. Yeah, you can't just cut a woman open. Because it was just on a table.

Oh, if you're married. Yeah, I would want to see what, wait. Yeah, but I't just cut a woman open because it was just on a table. Oh, if you're married. Yeah, I would want to see what weight. Yeah, I think you can legally do that probably if you're married at that time to love and to cut through sickness and in health on a table. So if she died, there was pretty much no one to protect Ephraim, right. And they would just take revenge on him. So he definitely being like, the nephew said it was cool with you guys. He was saving her life, but also his life was on the balance, yeah, in the balance.

But she lived, and after 25 days after the surgery, she made the bed and she wrote home. Okay, she made the bed, nice. That's what's up. She lived another the third, two years, 32 more years. That's how much, unless she was evil, then it's not good. We don't know.

Well, we're not digging her. We don't know about her. I assume. You assume she's not evil. Well, why else would the tumor be in her? Some people called Ephraim the father of abdominal surgery. Nice. People came to him from all over the country to cure their ills.

He also used corpses for dissection as he had studied in Edinburgh. And that was a big thing there. That's funny. So it's where Haggis comes from. That is where Haggis. That's, this is Haggis, essentially. Oh, this is the Haggis doll. Yeah.

And Missouri was legal to dissect hanged criminals. But in the 1830s, the demand for corpses was way more than there dissect hanged criminals, but in the 1830s the demand for corpses was way more than there were hanged criminals, so body snatching became a thing. Joseph, back to Joseph, his nephew. Joseph studied with his uncle to become a surgeon. For sure, Joseph would have stolen bodies for his uncle and himself. You just had to have done that back then. Sure. Which is cool.

That's like going on the baseball. Well, it's just a night time good time, that's what I call it. He assisted Ephraim at his practice for a couple of years. And during that time, he fell madly in love with Ephraim's daughter, also as cousin Mary. Yeah, something like that. You're around all the time. I don't think there's anything wrong. She's in the house.

You're in the house. Look, you can inbreed a little. You just can't keep it going. Little, little inbreed. It's like you've got to make a family deal where you're like, all right, look, two of us can date our cousins, but then after that we got to really take a breather. That's right. Yeah, so. Then can date our cousins, but then after that, we gotta really take a breather. That's right. Yeah, so.

Then you date your sister, your brother. Well, Joseph begged his uncle. I'm married my brother. Okay. I went to James Allen. I don't think that's right. Oh. Joseph?

Joseph begged his uncle to make Mary wet him, but Ephraim said she could choose her own husband What a wild time well when the woman were able to decide what they wanted to do. I feel sick and it's disgusting Yeah, I like the way it works now you grab one and say your mind you owe your mind We're a couple So Joseph is furious after this. Yeah. And he leaves. He never comes back. Well, you know what? I got other cousins. You won't give me your daughter. Yeah. I'm going to go sleep with my grandma. He will now hold a lifelong grudge against Ephraim. Okay. So he goes and he becomes a student at Transylvania University.

It's a hard thing to be like, why is there tension? I don't want to. Yeah, it's a long story. Well, what's going on? He wouldn't give me his daughter, my cousin. Oh, so. Definitely. That guy.

Yeah, he's bad. He goes. So he becomes a student at Transylvania University in Lexington. I was surely I had fun with that when we did this live. Yeah, I'm sure he did. In 1825, he got his... What do you want to study? You know, I was doing stuff like that probably.

The first thing we did it. We only have night classes. We only have classes at night. Is this... Is it in Germany, Transmany? No, maybe. What is it? Where is it?

Western Europe. Yes, definitely. Ah! We know, we have night classes only. What, that was he doing? I've got blood, I don't know. I was going to Dracula, right? Yeah.

No garlic. Oh. Yes. We'll be done of that. No, it's good. We won't have any garlic. No, no sunlight. And mirrors.

Yes. And you must be invited into clash. That's the only way. We'll invite you into clash. No holy water. Or food and steak. Oh good. Those can get pretty splinatory. Yes. Anything else? It's going to be pretty weird. The Zare only rules. In 1825, he got his medical degree after studying under his mentor, Dr. Daniel Drake. Dr. Drakeula. They call me Dr. Drakeula.

They don't absolutely. Dr. Drakeula. They, it's a... We even only have classes during a big storm. Why? Because you're a Transylvania University. What does that do with the storm? Yeah!

I do! You've been respect my power! Can I ask you? This is from a place of respect. Do you think vampires are weather-related? Do you think we bring storms? Do you think vampires are weather related? Oh, we bring storms. You think you think? We are on a mountain top.

You think vampires are... Look at how much the clouds cascade and overhang the university. Are you saying, I heard a tin bang. Are you saying you had tin? That's an oatmeal eater. Where is he? I want oatmeal eaten by a dog. Don't distract from away from your God and

I'm just Dr. You're not Look at these keys what key? Oh, I heard a rumbling someone bang tin Distract you as he is So Joseph Worshiped dr. Drake and he ends up marrying Drake's sister. It's kind of like, and I like you.

What do you got? Woman, why? He can't. What do you got? Who's in your circle? He's so clearly doesn't talk. I'm not going to marry him from a circle. You're not talking to anybody else.

I make a friend and then I've siphoned off the circle, lady. Hi, hi, are we friends now? I don't even fucking want to hear a relative. Make her marry me, huh? Jesus. So he merges in March 1827 and he would name his first son Drake. Nice.

The only thing we know about Virginia is he did love her a lot and she had 11 kids, three of who died as babies. So eight kids made it further. Yeah, sure. Drake founded the Medical College of Ohio. Sure. But a lot of the staff didn't like him. We think he's been drinking blood.

The medical college's faculty voted to remove him as president in 1822. Okay. Now the public flips out, so they reversed their decision, but Drake is to... He's hurt. He's not going to go back. He's going to take his... He's taking his knives and going home. He's a big...

Why was he so popular? The people, because he founded the medical college, like he kind of put them on the map. Like it's like a... Yeah, yeah, it was helpful. Yeah so He doesn't go back he accepts a position at Trent Sylvain your university Well look who comes me Okay, you must have been traveling for a while to get such as foggy mountain top Not really it's I don't know why you're here.

As a teacher here, they will give you a cape. I can't. And we want to shock your savings. If you get one of our loans, I'm kidding. No, we need your blood. I cannot get past the fact that you think vampires are on mountain tops and come out in bad weather. That's very trans-Sylvania is located.

I know it's not. Yes it is. We're on top of our mountain, by the way. Why are you having such a giggle at our expense? We've hired you. Oh, thank us. No, thank us. So, thank us.

You know, I heard it heard it Joseph remained bitter and Founded the University of Cincinnati College of Medicine to try to put the medical college Ohio out of business There's a flu going around some of the professors are coughing Come on. You want this to continue? No, I went to what do you want because I'll stop it. I'll shut it down. Vill. No. No.

Now I'm a bit. So Drake then started what he called, quote, the war of extermination. He tried to discredit and destroy the medical college and Joseph Happily joins in the battle. Wow. So he's just taking on his mentors rage. Right.

Right. Joseph was known for speaking on street corners, loudly ranting, and like you. And with profanity filled the tax. Like you. I do not do that. Wow, it's you on Twitter. Yeah, OK.

He made vicious verbal assaults on professors. This led Joseph to having a reputation for being a crass, raunchy, and dangerous enemy. Nice. He once said, quote, give me one year's time and I will blow the damn college to hell. Wow, that's a good answer. Come on, that's nice.

Also, not very vampire, is it? No, we don't need that's tactic. He's not going to be able to get dynamite all the way up this mountain. You would more like the storms. You would more sire a bunch of other sire. Is it sire? Sire. You're talking about hobbits now. Shia. I Biographer wrote of Joseph quote, no man ever had Viola tongue. Nice. So Joseph loves being the center of attention. The most admired doctor and the smartest man in any room. Okay. Dr. William Beaumont came to the St. Louis College in 1835. Yeah, Goepals.

Joseph was, is it Goepals or is it the guy? Oh, no, it's the whole stomach. It's the whole stomach. Yeah. So many heroes. I know. So many great doctors out there. So Joseph was very upset.

Beaumont was very famous and he'd just done the experiments on a fur trader with an open hole in his Side that went directly into his stomach. So it was a big deal. That was really good doctor. When he had a cork for it and everything. Yeah, yeah, the Yes, it basically just gave a guy fondue to me. Yeah, that's correct. He made a fondument. And so he's famous because of that. Yeah, everyone's, this guy's amazing. Look, love him, I hate him. This guy's trying. So he comes and Joseph immediately is like, well, this guy's competition. And there, so he's my enemy. And Belmont's partner puts an ad in the paper, which is against the roles of society. Like you're not supposed to put ads and papers if you're a doctor for some whatever reason, considering all the other shit that's in the paper

out of the entire reaction to a Zempec. That's really good. I'm taking it. And as you can see, I've lost a lot of weight. So Joseph attacks and he's doing his yelling screaming thing, shared on the street, calling him a crept fraud, etc. Though he probably didn't know damage to Beaumont's reputation because he's just a screaming guy on the street.

He's just a guy who's screaming on the street. In 1938 Joseph started teaching at Kemper College. In 1840 he organized the Medical Department of Kemper College. And in 1840, he organized the medical department of Kemper College. Okay. He had a great reputation as an anatomy teacher and not a great one for his eccentric, crazy behavior killing on the street and whatnot.

So he's still, it's weird that he does that as much still because it seems like things are going all right. He definitely has something wrong with him. Okay. Okay, so that if you put the stuff together, like the daughter thing, sorry, his cousin thing where he never talks to his uncle's like his hero. He's a grudge. He's a grudge holder, but also he's also a rage. He's a raging grudge holder. So it kind of that's where he goes to get his rage out, I guess. Yeah, the street corner. Right. Yeah,

and he just says, it's private, but he also like took on the rage of his mentor yeah, so But we see that a lot I guess yeah, yeah So Henry Clay would say of him quote MacDowell had the greatest mind on earth except for his and eccentricities He says loud he's opinionated. He has an overwhelming personality, but students love him Okay, my students can't get enough of this guy captain my captain sure, you know, they mean no you don't know Dead poets aside so you do know it. Oh look who fucking knows that

do know it. Ooh, the coup fucking knows that. This is the worst, this is the worst moment of the podcast that we've ever had. Oh my god. Holy shit, that was amazing. I wish my dad was here. He's dead. What? Joseph Betz-Eidmanner was not normal. Okay. Once he was called to amputate a man's leg after a work accident. Because after a workout.

Maybe it's like half hurts. We're gonna need to lose it. That's coming off. Yeah, that'll be it. That works. What did you do? Yoga? We're gonna lose the leg.

We're done with that. He walked in and said quote, where is the damn rascal? I have come to cut him to pieces. Damn, his trifling soul. Why did he not keep away from the damn rascal. I have come to cut him to pieces. Damn is trifling soul. Why do not, did he not keep away from the damn machine? Hey, hey, hey, hey, he's having a little trouble with that. Where is this fucking little little leg? He has a little trouble with what happened. Hey, dumb leg, or a...

He doesn't love what's going on. I'm tired of coming into the houses for men who can't keep a leg out of the woodwork. Stop it. Cut it off. Stop it. Taking the leg is stupid. maybe the other one because he's dumb. You're not taking both his legs. Well, I might. He's in a sensitive spot.

And the arms. Hello, Mr. Potato. What? I'm calling you Mr. Potato. Why? I'm in a tremendous amount of pain. Well, you're about to be a potato. Why?

What pain? Why? Taking all the limbs. Oh my God. So, what do you reach the bed? He said to the guy, quote, sir, I've come, sir, I have come to cut you up. Damn you, the instruments are all ready. Oh, I don't, I don't think I want this guy to do it.

Ha, ha, ha, ha. After the operation, the guy said, quote, doctor, you frighten me so badly, I did not feel you cut my leg off. Wow, so he's like, today that's what I'm doing, maybe. Well, Joseph said that's why he acted the way he did. Oh, really?

I feel like that's wrong. It's just like a crazy man. And then someone's like, that actually helped and he's like, that's why I'm doing it, Jim. Sure. Yes, I'm taking these muffins. So, Kemper Medical School became a leader

in anatomical study in Missouri. It was often called McDowell Medical College. And in 1848, he oversaw the construction of a new building. It had two large Greek revival wings with a tower. Two wings. This building could be... It was reinforced.

Why? Why what? It had wings, it's a car bag. It's a car bag. It's a car bag. Let's see if I can pull this up. Dave's time. For those of you who are just listening,

Dave's put his shirt up. He's showing me his chest for some reason. What's happening? He has to be can pull this up. I might not be able to He did it now he put his shirt down. I am completely naked. Yep. These are Mabrests. Yeah, now it's not in the I did not save it if you want to see Dave make it join our patreon The dollop has a patreon. There's a lot of great content. We're gonna do a chalup after this and you can see this episode where Dave's pulled his Shirt up and it took all his clothes off because he's doing it in a onesie. I make it Did you say nope? I said yep, but I accidentally pulled back up the wrong To keep this one doing

back up the wrong language tomorrow. Okay. Tomorrow's dollops. I accidentally pull up tomorrow's dollop. Well, it seems like we've already started this one. We should finish this one first, right? Oh, Captain. My captain. So, um, okay, right. So I said he says he sees where was I? Okay, the tower, right? So Greek revival wings with the tower super reinforced to withstand a military assault. The tower had a deck with six cannons to defend the school against an attack from enemies. What knows that? That's pretty typical. Our other colleges like John Hopkins has like, Seeders has that. We're basically going the design it like a pirate ship and yeah, we think people are coming for our booty Can it they're coming for the limber's boys

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So he thinks they're going to re-snatch. I mean, there have been riots, right? There have been body snatched. Right. We've done it. So there is a danger element to it. I don't know if you need the towers and the cannons, but well, better safe than, you know, also because there were people he was constantly talking shit about sure quote fearing political reprisals he began

wearing a breast oh boy he began wearing i just have one tittness at it. He's the head wearing a breast. Yeah. He began wearing a brass, breast plate armor for protection. So he's like good, the bad and the ugly. He's completely lost his fucking shit. He's a doctor who's like always ready for an attack. Please, someone might need to help me get these four steps. Unfortunately, I have a big brass plate on my chest. Do you have any idea what it's like to be a doctor? They're coming for me.

He saw enemies everywhere and he was always making new ones. Well, so the college had a dissecting room, uh, a chemical room, a lecture hall, a laboratory and an area where the and air hockey and the air hockey in the quad. An area where the poor were treated for free. Oh, okay, I'm sorry. Can I, Luke, give me one of your tins. I need to be sick.

An area for poor care? Why would you not want to charge for medical care? I don't understand. So was the healthcare not attached to their jobs? I don't get it. That's a silly little thing. He also opened a museum with 300 specimens of birds and animals. Inside the tower, there were architectural niches.

niches. Do you know what that is? No. I know what a niches is. It's like there's like a little indented part with a little shelf kind of thing like a niche. Do you know what the, you know what I'm talking about? I mean, I could get a picture of you, I would. Um, I, yeah, I don't know how to describe it. Let me, uh, why don't you look up architectural niches and I see. Oh, well, why don't you not tell me what to look up? I just figured we wouldn't have to do this, but here we are.

Architectural need. Oh, it came up right away as soon as I put ARC in my phone. It goes to architectural niches. Is that? Because I've looked it up before. Is that true? How do you spell architectural? Oh, I see. That's kind of what I was picturing, right?

OK. Yeah, OK. So you're probably asking why he had those put in the tower and now is to suspend family members corpses for preservation. Oh. Where are you're gonna put your baby in a great way. So you're gonna hang that bad boy in the tower. In a good way. Yep.

So you can say hi mom when you go by or whatever. So it's kind of just like a way of keeping the family together. Keeping the family together. And they're hanging up in those little niches. Yep. It must be confusing if you put his niece in there. That's my niece in the niche. Now, a niche in the niche.

Oh boy, look, my tongue is all over the map. Go ahead, your turn. We don't know why he thought suspending his relatives' corpses would help preserve their bodies or why he wanted to. Is there any embalming or anything? Or this is just straight up? They were partly embalmed. Even just hang them up there wet and dripping.

Yeah, right. They're actually... It's like a butcher shop when they just have like certain meats hanging. They were probably partially jerkyed. Can I get a pound of your grandpa? Pfft. He apparently could not handle the idea

of his loved ones's decaying. It's interesting. It's interesting because obviously we all have different ways of grieving those who pass and you know. But you know. I can see you hanging your mom. I don't like where this is headed. You love your mom. I don't like where this is headed.

You love your mom very much. Yes, very much. So you hang her in your house. Again, I don't want to do Pam niche stuff. It's a little niche. He extensively researched and made plans to preserve his family members after death. I need a lot of niches. So it's kind of like a Marionette mausoleum. A little bit. OK.

Just have socialized with the students so much, it was considered a lot. I want you to meet my dad. No, no, no. He's in the tower, hey? He's dead, right? He's dead, yeah. He's dead, yeah.

They're all dead, but I've given them some anti-gooing stuff. I don't want to do anything. You've got to meet my uncle. So he socialized with his students so much, it was considered unseemly. He took him fishing and hunting and told them his personal troubles. Man, you met your being on a boat with your teacher. He starts going like, you know, my dad was so misunderstood.

I would like to say, could you imagine, but this is, I had a groundwater hydrology teacher in college and this is what happened. We would go on trips and, you know, the field and to look at a wetland or something and then he just started talking about his marriage and his life and like it was just so fucking weird. So can we talk about aquifers again?

Hold on, I wanna... Good. He always needed money and had no problem asking his students for loans. You got any money? Hey, so listen, my, so I'm getting a divorce and my wife, my daughter has psoriasis. Can I get a 20?

Mm-hmm. What? Can I get a 20? My daughter has psoriasis. Yep. I feel like if I say no, then that is not smart because. It's a problem. It's definitely an awkward situation to be in.

Yeah, it's you. Well, I just mean like, grade-wise. It is, this is gonna be grade-based, yeah. Right. Then yes. Okay. Here you go. 20's to see.

He taught through hands on Dicection Grave robbing was a requirement and he joined them. What did you get in grave robbing? See I brought a hand. I didn't realize yeah, you know, I didn't know He would join them on every body run. He what she called rec Resurrectionist activities I'm having the best time. This is horrible. Look at us. He had to be called before any body part was destroyed

and no body, no part of the body could be wasted. Wow. So like dog rules. Yeah, I was just going to say, yeah, it's like the Native American. Nothing shall be wasted. Wow. So like dog, dog rules. Yeah, I was just going to say, yeah, it's like the Native American nothing shall be wasted. It's beautiful. Eight have an eat in your toe. I will. Okay. 1849 was an absolute horror in St. Louis. A fire destroyed 15 blocks and this is where we did this. Probably St. Louis. Okay. Right. A fire destroyed 15 blocks and hundreds of steam boats

on the river and a cholera epidemic killed over 4,000. Okay. President Zachary Taylor appointed Joseph as head physician and surgeon of St. Louis's largest hospital. Okay. He promised anyone taking the cholera prescription he created that it would stop the virus. That's the opposite of what it actually did.

It was a pepper and opium based elixir, which sounds good. Yeah, I was going to say, I mean, my one complaint about opium is it's just the flavor's not there. It's got to sound like a spicy, a little kick to it, you know. Yeah. It was an elixir that quote, emphasize dehydration, which was the opposite of the water a color of patient needed.

So a color patient needs lots of water and this was dehydrating them. So that's till kills them. That's a bad thing. He also said to only give patients a teaspoon of powdered ice occasionally for thirst. Remember, these people are shitting their body. They're all the fluid out of their body. And he's like, don't give them anymore. You want them to look like jerky? Dry them out. There you go. How's your hair? What is he doing? Oh, I thought

he had, I thought that was a lot of,. No, he's not, there's no product. You're just, you just fixing your hair. Yeah, that's exactly what happened. He's running his abs. Is there a cart your eye? He did catch my eye. And I looked over there, there's a guy like, you got seeing himself up.

I got with a tin of empty oatmeal on his lap, right as fingers to his hair. I really thought, I thought the round thing on your phone was a tin of, of hair wax. I his fingers in his hair, look at you. I really thought the round thing on your phone was a tin of hair wax. I was like, what's going on? Okay. I'm gonna try to bang one of these hosts after the kill. Okay.

So you need a hydration and despite his treatment that killed, it was a very popular. Hot killer, right. Yeah, if you can imagine. And he was seen as one of the most successful physicians during cholera even though he was just killing them just great because I guess nobody like checked like Who was dying from what? How many people go in and come out essentially right? You just like yeah, it looks good. Well it's really hard to trace that information Yeah, we have to do one you have to like keep the to, like, keep, but you have to keep one piece

of paper or just a guy at the door. Yeah, or just some for one person. Yeah. Just need some account. Yeah. Some blame the Missouri Republican for the pandemic. It's a paper because it had begun publishing on the Sabbath. And didn't that what happened with COVID?

That's exactly what happened with COVID. And that's why it got so bad. It's because... Sabbath publishing? The Sabbath publishing. Yeah. Any Sunday news, you're going to get a pandemic or some kind. I mean, I don't know.

They've been pretty clear. Some people also blame Sour Crout? I was the only thing I was going to say is potentially... That's the other... ...also a play as some sort of fermented cabbage. Yeah, yeah. Or a pickle dungin. Yeah.

Yeah. That's it. Yeah. Well, I mean, it's also the combo. You know, Sabbath printing and then, you know, yeah, pickle cabbages. Yeah. Yeah.

Goodbye. Yeah. Well, you're calling for it. You're like, you're playing with a lot of dangerous elements. A year later, the city would build a sewage system and cholera would never have the same effect. So it turns out it was just like shit in the water.

And probably some sourcrow. Right, sourcrow. It's our crotchet in the water. Same thing, I think. Joseph became very political around this time and made his opinions known. He hated quote, foreigners and Catholics in this city. Okay.

Here we go. All right. This seems various personality. Yeah, well, yeah. What are you saying that? I'd be clearly something. I'm saying loud angry assholes or this is right along the lines of the like. He was known for quote his malignant abuse of foreigners and Catholics in his daily or

nightly harangs for Native American candidates and principles. Native Americans not being Native Americans are being the Native American party white people. Right. So the, which is why the term Native American is so, does that term even work? There are Native American is a very complicated thing because Native Americans, Native Americans are slaves of tribes in America. And some people who are natives to America do not want to be called Native American and they would prefer to be called Indian, or whatever else. So it's a very, it's almost like you need to go to each

tribe or even personally just go, so what do you prefer? or whatever else. So it's a very, it's almost like you need to go to each tribe, or even personally just go, so what do you prefer? Oh, but Dave, we've been through enough. Dave, I'm so sorry, we cannot be going to every tribe and saying, I have had people email the show, the show and get both sides. Yeah, right. Don't use this, don't use that. So, you know, I'm a white guy in the

middle. Like I just tell me what you want to call you. What Dave saying to our listeners is leave the white man alone. He's trying. I'm not one of those people. Look, it's upset when you tell me to whatever you want me to call just a little bit. I'm worried about it. People are starting to say like, you know, doing like accents of other countries is like that's starting to get in the cross. Here we go. That's I'm over. Sorry, that's the end of me.

That one isn't like, I get it if it's like a, if it's if it's a German fuck off, like you're gonna get a German accent. Like, oh, I thought you were gonna say that. But like if it's like you're not gonna do I thought you were going to say that you get that. But like if it's like you're not going to do a commonly used accent to belittle people. Now, Indian accent or a Chinese accent. But look, white people, you're all on the board.

Yeah, that's what that's how I feel. You're all on the board. That's how I feel. Look, if you're white, I'm common. Yeah, you're all on the board but i feel like if you're if you're white i'm coming yet you're on the board uh... so joce of his enthusiastic member of the no nothing party who load the immigrants especially iris catholics and germans

in st louis and those iris catharsis doors or you could for a group he's who hold up a clover, baby, that's his type. He, me.

In St. Louis, he was the party's loudest and most aggressive member. Wow. That's a, I mean, that is... I mean, when you're talking, it's like, our whole thing is big, I'm not gonna... The King of the Assholes. His students often talked about how much he hated the Germans in St. Louis. Many Germans were hardcore abolitionists and very interested in politics, which just

made him more angry. Joseph voted, he wouldn't permit diplomacy with any German, that can't be the right word there. Anyway, he wouldn't permit diplomacy with any German, that can't be the right word there. Anyway, he wouldn't permit diplomacy with any German. And he told a colleague that he was going to quote, blow up every Dutchman out there who attempted to attend his college. See, this is why you can't give a college cannons.

Those words now have some firepower. Now it's now, it makes sense. Like, he's literally gonna shoot people with cannons. Oh, you said there's just decorative. Nope. Well, I'm in there for Dutchmen. Nope. Can I get a cannonball that's specifically,

can really harm a Dutchman? I'm looking for something to really crush the Dutch. When a German girl died of an unusual disease, Joseph decided he needed her body for dissection. Jesus Christ. Quote, we got it and laid it in the college. The secret leaked out. Oh, God.

And the Germans got their backs up and made things lively for us. This is very diplomatic. Yeah, lively. Yeah. Germans were all lively about how we stole that woman's body. That girl, the little German. Some Germans came to the college at night to try to find the body and someone warned Joseph

so he hustled to the college in the middle of the night to hide the corpse. Who hasn't done that? What's a fun game? Yeah. Isn't that a Milton Bradley game? Yeah. At the college, he picked up the body and carried it to the loft and hit it under some under some like there we go the Easter baskets There we go put a little of that hay on there

There we go when he looked down the stairs he saw six men with a lamp. Hello. How are you? This is for light. Hi He then said he saw the ghost of his mother standing by the table from which he picked up the body. Chau, sir. And she was giving him a special signal. Fuck off. Yeah. Is that Shaka? Hang ten.

Are you giving me a Shaka, Grandma? Shaka or Shaka? Shaka. Oh, I thought you were saying Shaka, bro. Shaka, bro? Yeah, the Shaka. No, I'm not a Dane Cook guy. No, no, no, the Shaka.

Oh, Dane Cook was this, super weird. Yeah, that's the Sufi. By the way, I watched Sufi. Last night I watched the best, what happened to Jane Cook video on YouTube. Don't spoil it for me. I want to know. No, I'm just kidding. It's so good.

I think I know what happened. He married a girl and she met her when she was underage. Well, they brought up all of his thevings, dealing of jokes. Oh, I can't hurt him. That's just that's just a thousand cases of parallel thinking. But it was really good in like breaking down, like he didn't actually have jokes. He was just a guy who moved around a lot on stage.

And but the one thing they never bought up was, most comics didn't like him because he was a dick. Yeah. It wasn't like he was just successful. He was also an asshole. Right. Oh yeah. They didn't bring that up.

There are people who are successful in comedy. They are not that funny. Kevin James. Everybody like Kevin James. Everyone likes Ray Romano. Very nice guys. No one got upset because they were famous. I've heard the stuff about one of those guys, but have you not Ray Romano, but um but your Dane Cook story is I think about that once every 10 days when Dane Cook tapped your head. Yeah, I said that's someone else's joke and he tapped my head. What did he say? What did he say? It was the most condescending thing ever.

Fucking goddamn it. I'm so brain dead right now. Is this my thanks? Thanks little one. I would love to have footage of that. Oh. How old are you? The Steve coming out of my ears.

I was in my late 20s. Oh my God. I couldn't do anything because he was with the Booker of Letterman. Well, you couldn't do anything also because he's Dane Cook, but other than to just be like, I maybe will kill him when he walks off. I could do anything because it's Dane Cook. That was literally the exact same club that the four mob guys tried to kill me because I was calling them up. Up for me, because the expanse?

No, this was okay. Oh, so you just have a bunch of little run-ins with the mob that we're just supposed to overlook? That's interesting, isn't it? I literally kicked him off. I stood up on the table and kicked him up guy. It's quite a bad. I don't want to be doing business with you. Joseph climbed on a dissection table and covered his, this is when the guys are still.

Yeah, he's got the little joke. And that covers covers his face. Quote covers his face. Yeah, he's acting like a body. Oh, okay. I like this move. Yeah. The man came in.

We're all dead. You don't say that. Okay. You man came in. We're all dead. You don't say that. Okay. You give it away. Nothing to see here. You can't talk. Better. No noises.

No noises. Oh. Oh. No. Oh God. This one's got a leak. There's no goat. No one believes in ghosts.

Oh. We're all dead. No one believes in ghosts. Oh, world. No, what the fuck? I'm from Pennsylvania. Jesus. Quote, the men came in all of them being armed to look at the dead. They uncovered one body. It was that of a man. Then they came to two women with black hair. Then they passed me. One said, here is a fellow who died in his boots. I guess he is a fresh one. I laid like marble.

Oh God, I would die from this. They would be like, oh, he just, I would die from fear. I'd be like, oh God. I can't believe they didn't lift up this. It's so three stuages. It is three stuages. The moons, yeah, I got a while ago. I got it. I'm dead with my boots on

The men soon left unable to find the girl's body The next day Joseph and the students dissected the girl's body and he told another doctor the spirit of his mother had saved him Sure, cuz she told him I don't know if you should be in charge of this place anymore You know who saved me? Who? Mommy Ghost. Okay. Don't worry, if you want to ask her real bodies up in the niche.

Mommy Ghost is very helpful. Mommy, Mommy. Hey there people listening to the dollop. This is Garif. Yes, this is the same guy. I have a new podcast called We're Here to Help that I'm doing with my friend Jake Johnson. It's basically a call and advice show where we don't say that we're professionals because

we aren't, but we try to help people with problems that are important to them. You can listen to it wherever you listen to podcasts and it is out right now. So go listen to We're Here to Help with Jake and Garrett. We're here to help with Garrett and Jake. I don't remember how we did it, but either way fun half hour comes out Tuesday, August 22nd and episodes will be out every Tuesday and Friday. We're here to help. Joseph drank quite a bit. This is interesting. Once he gave a speech to some of his students about temperance. You know, you got to be careful. While he drank from a flask. So the whole thing about it is moderation. But he never missed a lecture. He was a very good shot with a gun and would often

say he wasn't afraid of anyone. So that's a fun thing. I feel like those are not, you're like, you're kind of justifying that he got a lot of stuff done So that's a fun thing. I feel like those are not, you're like, you're kind of justifying that he got a lot of stuff done because he was drunk and then adding on it that he was a good shot. Well, they drunk all the time, but also can shoot as I think an interesting combo. Sure, sure.

But it's good when a guy, when a guy says he's not afraid of anyone while shooting a guy. Good with a shot and I don't take shit. He would face down or shout down anyone who confronted him. What? He was also very scared of thunderstorms. Oh no.

Then how did he last so long at my college? God damn it. But they have nothing to do with storms. Answer the simple question, please. No, what are you talking about? It just rains and some vampire. So you will admit that opponents amount on top of Transylvania University years. There are a lot of stone clouds and stones. Yes, this is the thing.

So you will admit we are prone to more rainy seasons. It's just because of the place it is just weather. It's the way the mountains are and the weather. That's great. There's nothing happening. Your apology. That's not apology. He's accepted on behalf of this staff.

Okay. He would, uh, if a thunderstorm hit, he would crawl under the nearest examination table on high. This guy should be on the examination table himself. It's not leaving. There's a lot going on. There's a lot going on. A lot going on. So he's hanging bodies of relatives.

He's got cannons at his school. But then there's a thunderstorm. And he's like, no. Basically, I'm skilled. Joseph's youngest son, Joseph Henry, was born in 1856, and his wife died soon after. He was heartbroken and brought her to a burial bound mound close by in East St. Louis.

And he spent hours looking at her grave through binoculars from the roof of the college. Someone's going to try to banger. He spent hours looking at her grave through binoculars from the roof of the college. Someone's going to try to bang her. He moved his children who had died to the mound with their mother. So he's doing the tower niche for some, but then the... Yeah, it's interesting. He didn't have any...

Post's family gets a mound. She gets a mound and then he's going to stare at all the time. Like he's putting them under the dirt in the mound. Yeah, they're under the dirt. They're not laying on top. Okay. Yeah. Okay, but there's more.

Oh, cool. And the kids, after the kids died, quote, he would order the casket which he had prepared expressly for the solemn occasion. This casket was made of heavy glass and filled with alcohol. The body of the infant was placed within the case containing the liquid and the coffin securely cemented. So he has a looking coffin. He has a see-through brandy coffin. Yeah, it's like one of those jars of babies you see and from out of the hide or whatever sometimes. Oh, cool, thanks.

But you know, really that is what it is though. What is it we're talking about? You've got a see through. Or you'll see that with like here's a little calf embryo or something and it's suspended in some way. Yeah, it's behind the bar next to the pickled olives or whatever. Or a pickle also. You're a pickle, a pickle, pickle. So that's what in some way. Yeah, it's behind the bar next to the pickled olives or whatever. Or a pickle also.

You're a pickle, a pickle, pickle. Yeah. So that's what he's done. Can I get one of those? Let me get an onion and an embryo. You want cow? You want sheep? Oh, no.

We do cow and sheep for the table. These are pickled, by the way. These are just natural flavors. I'm shit face. OK. My boys and I are just natural flavors. I'm shit face. Okay. My boys and I are just watching the Pat's game. So there's caves nearby. I don't like the start of this.

Why? I don't know. The fact that this guy just did a booze burial and now we're like, also there's caves. It's gonna be fine. I don't know. They were called the Mark Twain Caves because as a child Twain explored them It was always 52 degrees in the cave it also contained large amounts of Niter the mineral salts Peter

Niter it's called them it's salt Peter basically and Container gets you What is it? Why do they give that to army guys to not get boners? Is it salt Peter thing? Oh, I think that is right. Yeah Yes, it's so there's no This is a non boner cave. So you found a cool non boner cave. Yeah, finally salt Peter is used for food preservation particularly meats, right? So Joseph bought the cave or part of the cave anyway, okay is used for food preservation, particularly meats. Right.

So Joseph bought the cave or part of the cave anyway. Okay. His four-year-old daughter, Amanda, died of pneumonia, and her coffin was lined with metal, and it was filled with alcohol and sealed. He's doing the alcohol for some kind of preservation? Yes, for preservation. So your dad's probably gonna last forever.

Cause he was full of booze. What are you talking about? Cause your dad, when he passed. Why, you said everybody died. Well, I'm just saying he's probably gonna last forever. Why, you said everybody died. He's so full of rum. He's so full of rum.

Didn't it, what did he drink? Seagrams? He drank Canadian Mr. Seagrim 7. Canadian Mist usually. So she dies. He puts her in a coffin, just without call, which is what he did with all the kids who died. And a year later a man's body was taken out of the coffin and put into a large copper case. And then sometime after that, Joseph suspended it in the cave.

Oh my God. So it's a hanging copper coffin in a 53. It does sound like it's like copper field. It's a 52 degree. A behold! Where did all the whiskey go? It's very normal. Uh-huh.

Uh, the cave had an iron door at its mouth to seal it. So surprised! This is like, this guy's been crying for help the whole story, and nobody stepped in. So now he's just like, I think I'm just going to start suspending them. So now you're working and then like, what are these? And he's like, win gyms. With my babies.

My babies are in there So those are glass coffins filled with alcohol and now I'm hanging them up Hello In November 1847 the Hannibal Gazette reported quote this is fine We saw the sarcophagus of Dr. McDowell's child, which has been suspended some years in this quiet resting place. And in it, he had one, he had stored one cannon and 500, where's the cannon in the cave?

Yeah, okay. And 500 arms for the invasion of Mexico. Now, see, this is the only time when I can ask you what kind of arms do you mean? Got weapons, yeah. Weapons. So he has a cave with his daughters, suspended in a coffin that's filled with booze,

a cannon, and more arms for a Mexican invasion. That's correct. This is one of the story. All comes together. All the pieces we put together a Scene which excited not a little talk at the time It starts to seem likely that not only was Dr. McDowell stashing weapons in the cave for the Mexican American war But he was also exploring his medical theory that bodies could be preserved after death. I mean I Yeah, they can be if you're like this.

It's fine. But who wants to be like, there's a lot of weird maintenance and like I put a bunch of, I put a bunch of booze in this coffee. Coffee. I haven't having an Irish coffin. Yes. Everyone knew Joseph and his students stole bodies for a deception, but they had no proof.

They're the bad boys. When anyone's relative went missing after Barrow, everyone knew it was a medical college. Rumors started that Joseph was kidnapping and killing. By the way, it is a great time for necrophilia. Yes. Yes. I mean, any time they take a corpse,

people are like, this damn college, he's like, damn, damn college. The damn college. Yeah, for sure. I gotta go home. I'm out of cement. I have leftovers. A rumor started that Joseph was kidnapping

and killing people. Do dissect. Killing? Yes. So they think he's killing people. Yes. Well, that's a change. I think that was why all the anti-entity.

Was he killing people? But that was always the rumor when the riots started. Was he doing that? Well, let's just listen to the story. Oh my God. It's going out there. Why are you jumping? You know, we've got to save lives. Kill that man. Joseph had a live bear. He kept in the basement. A cinnamon bear, which is like a black bear, but lighter brown. Hey, hey, hey, we're not moving.

We're not moving. We're in a stoplight right now. A cinnamon bear. We're gonna stop light right now. Okay. How is, let me tell you something. You're in the, no, no, no, let me tell you something. Do you know how insane it is that that might be

the craziest thing you've said? Ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha. He had a cinnamon bear in the basement. Do you know how insane it is that that might be the craziest thing you've said? He had a cinnamon bear in the basement. That's correct Like Teddy grams how else are you gonna protect the college? I mean you got the cannons and all the guns, but you needed you need when they get in the basement That's me if you have an assistant if you had an assistant the assistant had to be like, I'm pretty stressed out. They're happy to have you. They're really tough for me to work with this guy. So wait, what do you need?

Well, we need more vodka for the casket, but also we're going to need to get some lamb shanks for the basement bear. OK? Keep up with me. Oh, boy. Also, have we even checked the bodies that are hanging in the tower? The Mexicans are going to come, and and they're gonna take a bunch of stuff if we're not careful. Oh

Boy so when mob surround the college because they're upset about the body He took the bear out to set it loose on the mob But when the bear went outside he just sat down yawning and hung out. Still it's scared everyone. Yeah, well. Yeah It's a bear. It can change the attitude pretty quickly. The second time it's funny though He's like the bears just so tired out there. He just eventually someone's gonna try something look at him He's just out there so We're not feeding him in the mornings anymore. Look. It's cute. He's adorable The second time a mob came,

Joseph called in students who took posts all around the school, armed, quote, sir, you are a college. Right? Set the tiger loose. Quote, three to four hundred men, boys and women armed with access guns and clubs headed for the building threatening to kill all of the no-nuffings and in particularly with dr. McDowell the doctor said stood valiantly by his guns with a fuse in one hand and some local focal matches in the other local focal is the energy drink that has alcohol in it. That's correct.

I love local FOCO. Local FOCOs are great. Wait, so what is local FOCO? I can't remember what a local FOCO is, but I think it's an almost internally burning match type thing. Okay. Are you looking it up? Just when everyone expected Joseph to fire his cannon at the mob, a squad of cops marched up and took up position between the school and the mob.

Go into the school! Go into the school! No, there's a bear in there. I mean, a name for a faction of the Democratic Party in the 1840s, for the name after a self-igniting cigar. A self-igniting cigar. So there you go. Why did we try to invent stuff after that? They don't know. We'd peaked. We did. A self-igniting cigar. The first term is quickly to generalize any self-igniting material or music. So it's a self-igniting. So it's just a match you can just flick.

So you just look at it no light. Yeah, you stare at it. You just focus. That's right. Um, so I know he does, but he's not going to we're not going to let. Well, let's hear the one more thing. Also, Sal Peter actually treat type one question, but the army does use it as an anaphyr easier. Right. So there's no proof. So Salt Peter, there's no proof it works. So the army uses it as a non-boner material. I mean, I just read about how they're preparing for a fentanyl bomb. So I don't know what to do about the military other than just

say they're the dumbest fucking human beings on earth. OK. I'm sorry. So you're one of these guys who beings. Okay. I'm sorry. So you're one of these guys who doesn't really care about your freedom. No, there's no... No, no, that's fine. We don't have to agree on everything.

Fentanyl can't go in the air. It doesn't affect you by touch. What about C? It's not a thing. What about a submarine? A agreement was reached to let a small group of mob leaders and cops go into the school building. Let's go. Yes. They found nothing and the mob left grumbling and dissatisfied.

Well outside of all those bodies hanging up in that tower like a butcher chef. What's that? They're in the cave now. Quiet you. Do you hear something? He's like, he's like, he's like, he's like, he's like, he's like, he's like,

he's like, he's like, he's like, he's like, he's like, he's like, he's like, he's like,

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he's like, he's like, he's like, he's like, he's like, he's like, he's like, he's like,

he's like, he's like, he's like, he's like, he's like, he's like, he's like, people. That's what he used to get his for. He hated Catholics and often raged against a doctor named Charles Pope who was a Jesuit teacher at the St. Louis Medical College, the rival of his medical college. The St. Louis Medical College was originally in the Roman Catholic St. Louis University, but anti-Catholic pressure forced the medical school to sever ties with it. Uh-huh. And yet, it was still too Catholic for Joseph. Well, I mean... Makes sense.

Sure. Yeah, the idea that this guy is just like Catholics are out of their minds. You heard what these people are saying? It's always the guy. Do you want to go see my daughter? She's in a rum coffin. It's always the guy. It's always the guy always the back. Do you want to go see my daughter? She's in a rum coffin. It's what it's Mary get on the bears back. We'll go up there. It's always the guy pointing fingers always always there's there's three point and back at you and a thumb kind of

He was also very irritated when three Jesuit brothers set up a Jesuit school down the street from McDowell College. How dare they Any idea what that's going to do to property values. They were competition Any idea what that's going to do to property values? They were competition Joseph's war on the Jesuits was the usual public rants in the street But he also had loud and patriotic celebrations to upset the brothers academy he would fire the cannons During his way can't give a guy cannons you who what city planner was like we have we approve it and but he would fire it just a bother them That's why it's a guy shooting a cannon you can't have that you can't have you can't give a college can you can't do that? What's happening?

There's just don't get I mean this is why we only heard about this once Because it was like they were like that's just insane. He's firing cannons at other colleges. That's the college. He's, they're a war with the Jesus. A band in your university. Oh, Captain, my captain, Jesus. Joseph also got super into spiritualism. Of course he did. Starting in the mid 1850s.

I'm taking crystals. So this started after he saw his mom's ghost that night. Sure. Students and colleagues take me out of the tower. Students and colleagues notice he starts getting more into the metaphysical and the spiritualism and he hosted a lecture. Start calling me Skye. Skye. I'm Skye dad. He hosted a lecture series on spiritualism and went off and go to lectures. He also regularly took part in sances and when the Fox sisters came to St. Louis, Joseph was at their public sands. At the end, he stood and applauded them loudly. Woo!

They're like, boy, we got to rethink everything. That guy who's cut that Mexican army cave with his daughter hanging on our side. Mexican army cave. Yeah. The Fox sisters were obviously, there was a double champ. We've done that. They were the ones that started the whole specials. They're talking to ghosts, but they were just wrapping on the floor

with their foot. Someone was finally like, let's do it in a light room. They were like, we don't do this anymore. Joseph fell very ill and thought he was going to die. So he called the sons, Drake and John, who were both now doctors to come to his bedside. He made them promise to quote, place his body in a copper receptacle

and fill the space with alcohol. Can you imagine thinking your father, boys, boys, uh-huh. Go ahead, Dad. I'm not long for this oh no dad no no no please please it's it's only natural dad there's something I need to ask you for anything anything if I do pass okay please bury me bury me in a copper coffin filled with rum what put me in a copper coffin filled with rum. What? Put me in a copper coffin with a long island of the coffin.

What? Just long island of the coffin. Put every booze you can think of in the copper, copper. John, write this down. I don't need to write this down. Drake, write this down. Okay, that'll write. Copper. Yeah, two peas coffin

Can you call me sir Francis long Island in long Island iced tea? Yeah, no ice though. We don't want water in there Well, I don't have oh my god. Whatever T.G. I fried it however they make it. That's just gonna make it Kalahar to Jeff Friday is gonna make it so so just really pour every booze you can in there Okay, I'll note it up tequila is all right everything. Yeah, but yes. Yeah, please whiskey tequila gin Look make me into some sort of wild to walka to think of a teaky bar But I don't want any of the sugars cream to mint no sugars. No sugars. No, no Getting into some of those niche boozes speaking of niche to walkas pretty good No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, Hang me like a chandelier. I'm actually feeling a little better. You might not need to know about this. Yeah, please don't tell me.

Forget everything I said, I'm a normal dad. Just try so hard. I leave everything to cinnamon, the basement bear. What about slow gin? What is that? Never had slow gin? What is that? Never had slow Jin. What is that when the bartender sucks? What back boys? He doesn't

die though. Damn. On June 20th, 1858, Joseph married his second wife, Sarah Mac, who was 28 years old, he was 53. Nice. Nice. Now he still hated. Well, to be fan heard offense, he was awesome. Yeah, what's not to love. Yeah, so you got to go older. If you want to have this many eccentricity, I mean, you really got to go. You want scream in McCaverman. That's the guy. Want to go to my booze cable or my daughter hangs out.

I think the rums ready. So he still hates his uncle after all these years for not making his daughter marry him. And in 1860 Joseph wrote and published a paper that refuted Ephraim's claim that he was the first surgeon to do an overectomy. Which is taking out the tumor. He claimed he had testimony that proved Ephraim had not done it. He then said it was an unknown Indian hunter named John King who had performed the surgery. So not a doctor at all just a guy who went in. Had the cool title of it in on show. Had the humans. He, and he said, he had a letter from the patient

stating it was his cousin, and Ephraim's nephew who actually did it, it worked. So Ephraim's like, Jesus man. Yeah, it does great. It just tons of damage to Ephraim's rap. Right. Like it's just totally. So as tensions are increasing, the guy who's accusing me of this is bearing his

kids in booze glass cast. He has medical college cannons. Just hear me out and a bear. And he has a bear downstairs. Weird taste is not a crime that from As tensions increase between the north and south Joseph wrote brutal letters to abolitionist Henry Ward Beacher and gave rabid pro-Confederate speeches on the street and unleash tirades against pro-union colleagues That's so funny to think this guy also is like, is what I think about slavery? We're like, buddy, you are bonkers. Like the Confederates like, don't, don't, don't, don't,

we don't need to help. Stay neutral, just privately support us. Make a donation. Or bring the bear. Yeah. Then an April. The bear's pro union. The bear is huge, brother.

The bear's a big, it's one of our bigger gripes That's why we don't get along. I know that's why keep him the basement Then in April 1861 when the Civil War broke out Joseph and his son Drake joined the Confederate army They each brought a cannon with them showing up With a cannon what are those we? Showing up with a cannon. What are those? We how does it work? Do you give us the recreational cannon? I'm sorry. I thought it was BYOC. Is it not? Do we? Where do we get our walking cannons? Are we all bringing cannons? Guys slow down. Some of us have cannons.

Now, Joseph never owned slave. His servants were Prussian, but he really believed in slavery. I mean, it's cool. What a weird place to be. Now, Joseph never owned slave. His servants were Prussian, but he really believed in slavery. I mean, it's cool. What a weird place to be. Yeah. After he left, the union seized his beloved college. It was the first turn into a barracks. This is amazing. Yeah. What? Yeah, so the abolition What? Yeah, so the abolitionist. I have your can of college. Tell him to not go in the tower. They'll freak out. It was first turned into barracks and then-

They know the barracks in the barracks. And then became one of the most notorious prisons in the Union named the Gratiat Street Prison. Gratiat, Gratiat Speed Street Prison. Gratiat, Gratiat. It took 50 men to empty out the building with wagon loans of human bones and medical specimens. Oh, man. Did you get all the bones out?

Not even close. It's just like, it's like eight, nine feet deep. There's just a lot of bones. The prison held many more men than it was made for. It was said you could smell the prison from a mile away and 2,000 men died there. Wow. The building was also considered haunted.

And for years after people said they saw men peaking out the windows as they walked by. Hello. Uh-huh. Hello! Hello, my ghost! Hide out there! Joseph was a surgeon during the war then became a hospital inspector. After the war, what are you doing with the bodies? Inspecting? Where are you putting the dead? Here should be hanging them. Where are you hanging the dead? What? What are you doing putting the dead? Here should be hanging them. Where? Where are you hanging the dead? What?

What are you doing with the dead? We. Let me talk to your chief bear. I'm him. Bring the chief bear to me, please. Oh, sorry, I thought we were getting a furry stuff. No. Oh, rar.

OK, this is all right. Hi. Hi. Hi. So after the war he comes back. And he requests the prison be turned back over to the state to be used as a medical college. But it's a disaster. It's been a prison. It's a shit. Yeah, right. His once beautiful gardens now had gallows that had been used to hang prisoners

other doctors helped him rebuild and Soon after the president pardoned him so John's pardoned with all the Confederates, okay, he was right guys. We shouldn't have pardoned well. Yeah, right We shouldn't have pardoned them, but then also it's like there's multiple things he should also not be pardoned for, but they're like, yeah, for your part of the war, you're free. You're good. So you didn't go in the cave. After the rebuilding, his bitterness came through. He decided that a room should be set aside, which he called hell in commemoration of Abraham

Lincoln. A relative visited him and he showed her hell. You want to see hell? Hell is in gold letters over the door. Oh boy. There's no furniture. Well, let's very accurate so far. Quote, the first sionutation that greeted me was the venomous hissing of an unusually large rattlesnake that was... That was...

What? That was... That was to be seen, darting out of its fiery tongue between the bars of its cage. Okay. Is there more? There was also a huge crocodile. Oh my god!

You know, pull the tepid water. Oh my god. There was also a raven perched at a pole. Help! Help! And a lizard beside it. Oh my god! What? Quote. At the extreme end of a narrow hall like room, a gallows had been erected, suspended from which was an effigy of ex-president Abraham Lincoln. Oh my God. There were several other images, one in particular representing Lucifer and his imps. Oh my God. So did you have any, did you come back from the war with any psychological issues? No, but some great ideas for renovations

You're ready to like when he's gone trying to sell the place so there's like I said it's a great campus There's a lot you can do oh my god. I'm actually gonna show you one of the things. Okay, I stipulated in the will was the hellroom So this is hell. You do have to keep the water at a tepid temperature for the crocodile. There's a raven with a lizard on a rattlesnake. Okay. I'm trying to think,

oh, and there's an effigy of Lincoln. And a devil. And some imps. Okay. Uh-huh. Where's the gallow? You said there's other places to look at. I'm a little uncomfortable with the hell stuff.

There are other places, but I just think this one has the best lived in feeling. It's very different. None of the other places have a hell room. Yeah, I don't want a hell room actually. Oh. Looking for not a hell room. Oh. Yes.

Oh, then there's a lot of options. Oh, okay, that's what I think. Yeah, this is, this one has, do you want to take a look at it? Yes. Oh my God, alligator ate all the animals. Well, this was bound to happen. Dr. Joseph Nash McDowell died of pneumonia at the age of 63 on September 18th 1868 boy did he fucking

to the limit baby some say that his heart and spirit were broken when he returned to St. Louis to find his beloved college have destroyed excuse me Joseph Nash was buried in a bella fontaine cemetery next to his first wife and children who seemed to be buried in a mass grave next to him That's cool this day many people believe that Amanda McDowell haunts what is now the mark twain cave Well Wow the sources are Holy shit cock a bull blog The sources are holy shit. Cock-a-bow blog, Dr. Maddow on the bodies, and... They're a great band.

Dr. Nash McDowell, MD by Jamie. Like Herman's Hermits. Walter Wilson, and then... Why is the other one not listed here? She pulled it up. Jesus Christ. The other one's called Mad McDowell. Okay, it's amazing.

You know, when people ask you if you're ever gonna run out of stuff and you say no... It's amazing. You know when people ask you if you're ever going to run out of stuff and you say no It's because of it's not even necessarily times. It's just dudes. There's just plenty of dudes who just add money and success in this country's history and they had the hell rooms where they had Lincoln effigies and basement bears and twain caves uh... yeah i don't know what to say about this guy i mean this guy's nuts this is another example to of unchecked power it's like he keeps pushing the

limit and he's basically asking people to stop him and nobody's stopping him uh... the book is miseries mad doctor mcdowell confederates cadavers and macabre medicine by victoria cause there and lorley shannon like his when he's putting caskets, when he's putting like cannons outside

of the college, and then he's adding bears, and then he's bearing people with booze, and then he's getting away with stealing bot. Like, I mean, was he killing people to get bodies? No. Okay. I don't think, no, that wasn't. Seen not to be a thing. Sure. We don't need it for the guy. Well, you never know. He was so fucking angry and crazy. Like, I wouldn't put anything past him. But, uh... Who? Hell should still be there as a thing you can tour.

Hell, every house should have a hell room. Yeah. Your own version of what hell would be. It's a good place to let off steam. Yeah. Yeah, I know. It's kind of like the main cave. Yeah. It's a little different.

I don't know. Big screen. Bring the fellows over on Sundays for the big games. Go to the hell room, eat some nachos, foosball. No, remember when were you the first time you played a virtual reality game? Did my house? All right, guys, that's the end of the podcast. We done it. Why waste the next 120 days earning less interest when you can grow your cash faster than fast right now?

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