The Dollop with Dave Anthony and Gareth Reynolds - 88 - The Trojan Taco

Episode Date: June 14, 2015

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I read a story to my friend Gareth Reynolds who has no idea what the topic is about Gareth Reynolds yeah who has no idea what the topic is about yeah I think it's pretty clear I don't know why you know I mean this thing is starting to take out a life of its own now it's not even yeah it's not really just an intro it's just kind of this weird yeah it's weird line that you just keep rereading different ways there's no idea okay with the topics about you want to do one time people say this is funny not Gary Gareth okay someone or something is tickling people is it for fun and this is not going to come to

Gareth you are queen fakie of made-up town all hell queen shit of Liesville a bunch of religious virgins go to mingle and do what? hi Gareth no is he done my friend no hey girl hi we haven't even said hi officially hi how are you hi um yeah you just got here and you got it we got a blow through it and you got to run blow through it a couple things 1970 Mexico well that's not very specific the city of Nueva Lardo Laredo Nueva Lora oh boy Laredo okay what is that what is it is that a cranberry vodka yeah okay for years the members what is that noise I don't know there's like a bang

every now and then for years the members of the familial clans the gay tans and the Reyes Prenudes competed in the city for control the narcotics traffic the gay tans had most of the pot market cornered and the Reyes Prenados operated from a ranch in the desolate country southwest of the city where one could exchange anything of value for smack coke reds heroin anything reds yeah that's speed I think okay yeah reds one us customs officer penetrated the compound and returned with stories of machine guns battlefield mortars and mustachioed cartridge belted bandoliers who looked like a lost battalion of

zapatistas wow I like that that's real that is real around the early 1970s the gay tans and the Reyes Prenados flared into open warfare a three-year battle left nearly a hundred dead Mexican there's gonna be about drugs if I'm getting the vibe that they'll be drugs on this so they'll be just be a lot of dead people just brush on through okay great cool Mexican law enforcement tried to crack down but ran into obstacles for instance they had to cancel a raid because they couldn't come up with the 500 advanced Hertz rent a car wanted for each station wagon they needed wait I'm sorry what they Mexican law enforcement

had to rent cars cancel a raid oh wait because they're wait they're going undercover and they're just bringing 50 Hertz cars like 50 cars in general is not a good cover it wasn't 50 cars they just for every car they needed they had to put down a $500 deposit oh and they couldn't afford and they couldn't afford it so they're not just they're just not a good they're not a wealthy police station or try a vis yeah enterprise enterprise probably better price line it then the Klan stopped fighting each other and started gunning for the police police commissioner paralysis was assassinated the Mexican

government went at the Klan's full force and the jail jails began to swell with gaitans and Reyes Prenados on August 26 1971 a customs US customs that stopped a car inside were 234 pounds of heroin and two phone numbers the numbers were for Jesus Carrasco Santoy of San Antonio one of the leaders of the dawns the dawns were a San Antonio based drug operation who boasted that they were tougher than the mafia and would kill to prove it okay okay yeah this is one of those ones where I wish I was writing things down a piece of paper I mean okay hold on we'll get you a piece of paper all right there are give me a

lot of names that's okay so we've got the dawns the gaitans and the Reyes prayers okay and the prayers are more of hardcore drugs okay great Santoy was a balding potbellied stuttering and paranoid man how could he not be that's a great leader yeah for a drug cartel heron well I always like when someone's paranoid and then does drugs you're like oh cool what's it like when paranoid does paranoid he was often seen in disguises and once boarded up the windows of his house while he was being investigated which is a sign that you have nothing to hide yeah that's not a good move no it's a terrible move yeah

leave your only real move is leave don't leave shit laying out like yeah heroin boarding up your house so Santoy was more of a broker in the dawns gang and he was careful others did the dirty work one of the prime investigators of the dawns was a 290 pound sergeant with a tough guy Scowell named to bill wheel backer wheelbacker wheelbacker sure he was called the fat man on the streets of San Antonio he carried fun nickname it is a good I always like it better when a fat guy's called tiny you know go the other way or a little bill yeah a little bill he's big yeah he carried all his weight on his shoulders chest and stomach

he was said to look like an Idaho potato on toothpicks oh he was known for wearing silk suits and diamond rings I can't picture anything other than a potato in a silk suit with diamond rings right well that's classic cop where it's the 70s were so fucking weird yeah you can tell the 70s was fueled by cocaine it was serious brash decision-making his jackets hung off his frame like circus tents he was the best cop in San Antonio and he was not big on kind words his parents were his partners were Harry Carpenter and Tommy lotter Dale he won't come up again so don't worry about them I'm not worried about Bill had his eyes

on the dawns and their entire operation at the time Tony de la Garza was a mule who had been the victim of a heroin bust a year earlier but had beaten the rap because of an unwarranted search but the dawns didn't know what he had said while he was held in jail and on September 17th de la Garza's body was found yeah see that's the thing right if you're in jail under that like you have to be nervous to get out almost I know if you're in jail if you're part of a drug cartel and you're in jail you just fucked yeah no cuz then you get out and you're like hey the first thing you do is just stab someone to be like hey

hey open this gate open this goddamn gate a grand jury was set up to look at the possibilities of the dawns organized crime in San Antonio that's when congressional representative Harry Begans all is told the press they've got some guys in Nueva Laredo gotta keep fucking them up guys in Nueva Laredo who think they can organize a mafia structure there immediately the dawns cleared out of San Antonio wow so the fucking congressman who actually was a great congressman but he was just like yeah but he's down there fucking some shit up we're gonna look at him and everyone's like see ya bye that's that

was a tell the dawns also put out a hit on Gonzalez the man who had apparently issued the threat and the hit against the congressman was Frederico Carrasco Gomez Fred was born in 1940 in San Antonio and raised in the barrio known as Little Mexico he rose up the ranks of the dawns and when he was just 18 he killed the man outside of a dance hall stole getaway car and fled to del Rio he was arrested and went to prison for murder because it turns out when you kill someone in front of a dance hall there's people yeah he was paroled in 1961 after just two years I really why how I never yeah I never understand this but this

happens a lot you get I in our country you get like murder you get out of jail quick but if you do something like drugs or other stuff you because this next conviction in April 1962 he received eight years for the procession possession itself heroin it really is some that's a messed up messed up way to do it no I when I used to work construction for my brother one time I was working with this dude and he was like he literally goes yeah but then I got out of jail I go would you go to jail for and he goes murder and I was like what I did not expect like the story was crazy no but that was the

answer I was like cool all right that's cool man I'll see you got a murder all right cool um so Fred served five years of that since in Atlanta before being parole in 1967 the only lesson Fred learned from his time in prison was don't get caught he leapfrogged over the mules and shotguns in the dawns and quickly made his way to the top by the time investigator Bill got his hands on those two phone numbers Fred was the number two man in the dawns Wow so he's he climbed it he's a real Cinderella story takes care of business Wolf of Wall Street yeah yeah Fred always wore 245s he always had a tie and a Windsor knot and

a stylish jacket he was often with his wife Rosa a slim attractive woman investigators began to smother Fred showing up everywhere he was and and the rest of the dawns Fred decided to move to Nuevo Laredo well that's okay but if you're him I mean don't you just don't you want to like keep up the front like they won't beat you so you I mean all they're doing is showing up but I think he needs a place to really run his operation and if they're everywhere he is not just annoying he's like I mean he got to bring the heroin you know sure I mean I know I know you know I know how that is there he operated out of a

home that looked like a shack on the outside and a playboy retreat on the inside so he had a playboy shack yeah it looks like a shack and then on the inside it's it's full of bunnies and got a bunch of yeah there's there's a lot and swans yeah I'm an old man in a robe yeah an old weird pervert is like I can't get my dick hard anymore but I watched them he's Fred still move back and forth across the border police started putting together that Fred had ordered number three Don Pete Guzman to kill Tony Tony Dela Garza Dela Garza was an old associate of Fred's and had been present when Fred killed the man in

front of the dance hall but no one was safe around Fred next a car was found near the airport with three bullet holes in the driver's window and a bloody shoe Santoy's fingerprint was in the blood he told investigators he had a bloody nose oh my god he told the mess he's got a bloody nose but investigator Bill said Fred wanted to kill everybody in the country and Santa wanted to get the hell out of there Fred was looking to become the number one Don wait who's the number one Don at this time Santoy okay so Santoy's the number one okay but before Santoy could leave police swarmed in and caught him with 40 pounds of

lactose the milk sugar used to cut heroin okay but they still put him in jail for lactose possession I think that it's you're guilty of being too good of a dad get in the slammer buddy yeah we caught this guy with a bunch of formula on him this son of a bitch wants to feed babies everywhere yeah good luck with doing that when you're behind bars fuckface so he was arrested and suddenly users started dying all around San Antonio from shooting up with powerful heroin Jesus there's nothing to cut it with out on Boyd Boyd out on bond Santoy got his trial postponed for health reasons a

month later he vanished the next time he was seen was in Spain with another Don who had shot his way out of the Webb County Texas jail most members of the Don's were busted or dead by 1972 in Nueva Laredo Fred was working on solidifying his business along with his number two Pete Guzman and he was working a thin line by being allowed to stay with the other two drug cartels there in February Fred's gang killed the federally then a member of the Pernette gang was killed in another shootout while with Fred's crew the Mexican government sent police chief Everado Perales to clean up the city he was

making a dent when he was shot with a submachine gun hmm four bullets entered in a tight pattern around his left temple while he was driving a car in broad daylight wow that's impressive that's balls that's they'd be able to hit that four times while he's moving yeah that sounds like it was a contest yeah yeah he probably got a big stuffed bear after that they're like get out of here yellow squirt the Mexican sent squads of law enforcement into the area to finally end it the American government pressured the Mexican government to allow American hit squads of federal agents to pursue the gangs of Nuevo

Laredo Fred took his gang south to the Mexican interior that's when the number three Don Pete Guzman decided to start running his mouth oh he may he had one of the mouths on him did he and what maybe the dumbest drug cartel move of all time Guzman started telling everyone he was in charge and Fred was his lieutenant it's like the relationship of Eddie Murphy and Arsenio Hall and coming to America it's but it's just like that's blow you don't do that yeah yeah because there's no reason to well you just know that's not gonna work out what do you mean it might work out great no it's

the oh boy by the way you who you just did the old switcheroo why you were playing you were on my side the second that I fell into that trap you were like oh no it's gonna work out this dude is dead in within the next two sentences well Guzman stole passport returned to San Antonio to check in on some of his business interests one he was then found with 45 bullet holes in them to only in his pants slippers and a bathrobe and a ditch that's not how you go on a night walk no it is not how you go on a night walk something tells me he wasn't out on this he wasn't near the ditch you don't think he was I think he was some

I think he was inside somewhere I really do on September 20th 1972 federales broke into Fred's gang headquarters and found 213 pounds of heroin Fred was upset that his wife Rosa had also been arrested to protest he tried to jump out a window then he held a sliver of gas gas sliver of glass against his throat threatening suicide for five hours while his lawyer came in and negotiated eventually Rosa was released that is how you fucking do it that shit that's how you fucking roll yeah you just hold yourself hostage the lawyer is like alright just act like you've been here before buddy no problem

what my client is trying to say with the glass up against his throat is that he thinks his wife was brought in on unfair conditions y'all fucking do it motherfuckers alright Fred five out of Jesus now after all they're like okay I look I just want to go home yeah we'll let her go 5 p.m. we'll let her go no one knows why was Bill why the investigator Bill was in Guadalajara but he showed up at the jail hmm but that's out of his jurisdiction a little bit okay police looked at his name on the police reports they had found in Fred's possession at his house right so friends got these police reports scattered around sure about

him and Bill's name is on them uh-huh and not wanting any to take any chances the federal he's locked him up in a cell okay with Fred wait wait wait who they like the investigator Bill and Fred in a cell together yeah so it's just your classic game of snake and mouse well at this point they think that Bill's in on it because right because all crops are cops are corrupt down there yeah so they're like well oh this guy's on the reports just put him in the jail with a guy and he's like how you doing man I never thought I'd be glad to see you said Fred he was like listen Fred can we all right now hold on a second Fred we'd be

can we be bros about this you want you to shit Fred let's talk about toilet etiquette Fred didn't think he was gonna make it out alive the day before Fred's brother Robert had gone into a cell nearby without his belt then he was found strangled by his own belt hmm so that's like a magic trick that's without a belt and he died with a belt it's magic that's not but that's not a Fred cried over the death of his brother in front of Bill when Bill returned to Texas Wow I'm shocked Bill returned to Texas he told the story to Fred's parents Fred considered this a devastating insult you don't tell someone's parents he cried oh

that's what he's upset about yep I thought that he was upset that he told them that is the belt magic no he's upset that the magic about his parents he cried he's got weird rules less is more less is more don't go out of your way to say anything on September 26th Fred appeared in court where he cried and said that the federal is had beat him stripped him tortured him with an electrical cattle prod and stuffed his head into a bucket of urine and murdered his brother yeah right big and judging Karen sent him back to jail then a member of Fred's gang started singing to the police he said the dons have been

involved in drug trafficking but put the killings and assassinations at the feet of the gay tan and raised pernita clans did he really sing all that yeah that's how they do it like a show tune yeah go ahead you know I'm salivating right now I just don't know the exact words Fred then escaped okay four Confederates from San Antonio drove to Guadalajara with bribe money Fred then made it through the gate hidden in a laundry truck mm-hmm he made his way back to Texas where he began traveling with three bodyguards law enforcement in San Antonio searched for and prepared for a final gunfight

with Fred Corasco Bill said quote he's got a lot of money and only two or three people who know where he's at everybody is afraid of him and that was reasonable because when Fred was jailed in Guadalajara his San Antonio gang figured he was finished and started pocketing the profits mmm boy we're at like the midpoint of a fucking great movie this was 12 guys who are pocketing the pockets pockets and they went on a list Gilbert Escobedo was sitting in a bar in San Antonio enjoying a Schlitz beer when a very well-dressed man came in chatted with the bartender then walked over to Gilbert pulled out two

pistols emptied them into Gilbert and calmly walked out Roy Costano and Agapito Ruiz were sitting in a car when someone walked up and shot Ruiz in the back of the head Costano was shot in the neck ran a half mile then was shot again in the chest Joe Garces and David Garcia were driving in a renovated 1934 when another car pulled up alongside and shot Garcia in the head the car overturned Grace wait Grace Garces made it a few feet before his life ended after Fred went and had a steak dinner he's taking care of business Jesus Christ Fred was back in in San Antonio and and getting getting the office in shape yeah he was getting

things done now Fred's name was all over the papers San Antonio radio stations television stations and newspapers started appealing to secretive informants so the fucking media is like hey come on out yeah you get a snitch because they just want the scoop yeah yeah officers were warned they shouldn't try to take Fred alone the FBI tried to promote Freddie to the 10 most wanted list but Fred made no attempt to flee the state seven months went by so wait for seven months he's on the fucking run talking about talking about on the radio everybody the cops are breathing down his throat he did kill all these

people and he's just chilling nobody knows what he looks like oh wow except for Bill who saw him in that cell oh shit wait a minute wouldn't want to be Bill on July 21st 1973 Bill got a location on Fred he was at the El Tejas Motel they surrounded it task force policemen in an anonymous attire sealed off the escape routes adjusted sniperscopes climbed into trees and watched the motel room door for three hours then Fred stepped out in a three hundred dollars suit after a moment's hesitation a San Antonio police inspector called over the loudspeaker Carrasco one of the reasons for the hesitation is because they didn't know

what he looked like oh I thought it's because they were like we didn't talk about who's gonna say anything who's gonna speak who said they say first oh shit I'll do it I'll do it I'll do it and no no no no Bobby said first oh for God's sake Bobby go let's go oh my god give it back Bobby mr. Carrasco sorry about all that Fred drew his 357 Magnum one cop shot a shotgun but missed because Rosa screamed to warn Fred just in time then a rifleman shot Fred needed a warning well Fred well he probably didn't know there was like 80 guns he but he probably went up he's gonna shoot shit really didn't see that coming a

rifleman shot Fred in the shoulder and devastated his left hand disarmed him bleeding cross I mean his left hand was like oh no oh my god I can't take this no more this is too much I can't live on this is I didn't want this life I'm gonna grab me some Kleenex disarmed him bleeding Fred ran a Z blind zigzag that ended a hundred yards later with more wounds in his foot and stomach he swore and spat on the officers who pulled him up and sat him down to wait for an ambulance he told this old adversary Bill all right you said big son of a bitch you finally got me now leave me alone television and newspaper

reporters arrived when the ambulance pulled up Rosa threw herself on her husband clutched him and kissed him then she wheeled around and flipped off the cameras nice Fred swore at the ambulance drivers well I mean you know pick your spots here a little bit Freddy boy while he was being booked Fred Krosko listed his occupation on arrest reports as a farmer and laborer it kind of is a little bit yeah in the ambulance Fred told officers that cops had killed Ruiz and Costano and he had a witness who could prove it sure Fred's lawyer had many discussions with him while he waited trial in all those discussions not

once did friend mention narcotics Fred wanted to plead guilty to assault to murder and accept a life sentence in return he wanted all charges against Rosa dropped it's a love story yeah Rosa was charged with assaulting a police officer his lawyer didn't want him to plead guilty because despite all that had happened there was very little was that all she was charged with yeah is that really that's not as romantic then right because I mean what is assault get you not probation it's all very weird it's just like no you won't keep it for four 40 hours no his lawyer did not want him to plead guilty because despite all

that had happened there was very little evidence against him Fred said he would only go to trial if his lawyers would put in writing that Rosa would go free his lawyer thought he could beat the charges but wouldn't put it in writing because he knew Fred would kill him if she were she were convicted then I will plead guilty Fred said I will take life I will take life upon life Rosie must go free Jimmy if you are lucky you will meet a woman you'll die for for Rosie I would die the lawyer cried at the gesture and Fred put his arm around him and said now look who comforts who whoa Jesus you'll be right I'm fine I'll be

fine we're not me okay yep okay the copy shot Fred showed up at the jail his name was Lieutenant Dave Flores he wanted to talk about the two cops Fred said had committed murder oh those two cops were Bill and another officer Manuel Ortiz a local narcotics cop Flores asked Fred to produce his witness Flores was gunning for a higher rank and he thought getting these two cops was the way to get it and he had the mayor on his side the mayor okay mayor San Antonio Fred wouldn't give up the witness without getting something back he wanted safety for his family and the witness's family and he wanted Flores

to find the guys who had robbed his two half brothers homes while he was in jail in Guadalajara that guy's like okay like you're a little all over the place right now Fred you've got to watch my car I want you to look me in the eyes for 30 seconds and then say boo boo boo spin around Simon didn't say all right Fred what Fred okay Fred what Simon didn't say it you spun around and Simon didn't say it Flores found the two guys who robbed his brother-in-law's house they were two addicts now I assume those guys just died sure Fred name the witness a 26 year old dealer named Daniel Haramio Haramio said he was in

the car when Costano and Ruiz were shot but then he escaped and hid behind a fence from there he heard Costano and Bill from there I heard Costano say Bill and Ortiz's names before he was killed so this is this is the situation a car pulls up next to another car and shoots and kills the driver the car rolls over the guy in the backseat runs the fence and jumps over it and then the cop and then the guys walk up to kill the second guy and the second guy says you are Bill Weinbacher and Manuel Ortiz and then they all very plausible he just said our real names let's go back this was a murder the press was all over it they're

waiting outside at the location where Haramio named his killers so he went into this meeting with the bigwigs and right and the press just happened to show up sure it hit the news the next day on a Sunday Ortiz was dazed by the new but Bill was furious he was reassigned the mayor and Flores said Haramio was in protective custody the papers were calling for swift justice then on Tuesday just two days later Haramio was arrested in a motel room with five other guys and 10 pounds of heroin whoa this is a bad witness Jesus or just how about a week like take a little bit of time yeah yeah honestly

good god that's all we need the mayor said when reporters told him fuck seriously God damn it I was golfing and damn it it turned out the informant hadn't been put into protective custody since Flores hadn't mentioned him in his report Flores decided himself not to put the guy in protective custody Bill then announced the press that he was one of the cops mentioned and said he would gladly cooperate with the investigation a day later later he stood in the same room with Haramio who didn't even recognize him the grand jury after two weeks said quote there isn't a scintilla of

evidence against the two officers this news condemned Flores after the verdict Bill and Flores are reassigned Flores went back in uniform and to a desk job while Bill was back in his old job but the damage was done Fred's accusations split the San Antonio Police Department into opposing factions cast suspicion on the mayor's office and wrecked careers that took years to build just fucking one guy saying some fucking shit that's friends a fucking little son of a bitch you know lying can be fun too Fred was given a life sentence and sent to Huntsville Huntsville where he was known by his prison number 237 163 Fred's

rap sheet started on May 27th 1955 with a charge of theft under $5 and ended with a life sentence on January 6th 1974 for assault with an attempt to murder a police officer in a shootout but Freswa wasn't actually done adding to his rap sheet just yet Jesus Christ Fred going to the sunset bro that were shit to do what the fuck else he was reported to have been responsible for over 50 killings during his time on the street he was at the top of the biggest drug running out in Fitton South South Texas transporting a kilo of heroin a week from Mexico into the United States how is that even pretty good for 34 year old

dude 34 30 fucking four wow how do you feel about your accomplishments right now not good this guy is fucking Roland all right leave me out of this now he is in prison still but a kilo a week yeah Fred spent three weeks in the jail house hospital in San Antonio healing from his bullet wounds there he received preferential treatment and quickly earned the title king of the jail word was that on Thanksgiving his wife Rosa his brother-in-law and other relatives came to the jail and they had dinner with all the trimming served on table linen during this time Fred hatched a plan to escape but was unable to execute it

because he was moved to Huntsville sooner than expected he was getting a in San Antonio is getting a Robin Hood type legend attached to his name even though Fred was considered a hard and extremely dangerous killer he was assigned to the medium security security killed 50 people it's gonna be fine there's certain times when mediums aren't right and that you know fine medium 500 guy a 500 pound guy in a medium not right Fred in a medium not right then now he was assigned to the medium security facility because that was where the system's major hospital was to treat his wounds and he needed a lot of he's still over the

years well it really fucked like it fucked them all up right he had to be near near a hospital and prison authorities thought that this was much more much less of a security risk risk to keep him in medium security than to transport him back and forth from maximum security right for us health problems okay oh boy because of his wounded condition his need for a cane he was assigned to light duty inside the walls as an orderly in the office of prison chaplain father O'Brien the once most feared man on the streets of Texas was now emptying waste paper baskets polishing pews and mopping floors in

the Chapel of Hope oh Fred did not like it I'm really shocked father O'Brien called Fred quote a pear-shaped man who neither looked tough nor acted mean he certainly didn't watch your mouth father oh fucking Brian stood the murderer yeah he just looks like a pear-shaped non-threatening man eyes very perished Paris pear-shaped look at him with his pair like a body he's got such a pair like body I want to take a bite of him Fred said he quote Fred said quote I feel the need to do my time as best as I can and get back to my family sure Fred was considered a security risk for two reasons he was dangerous and he'd killed

so many underworld figures in Texas and Mexico that he had lots of enemy enemies in the prison system so he's not allowed to mingle with a general population but most of the Latino population in the prison was terrified of Fred Carrasco soon enough father O'Brien came to know Fred and changed his tune he said Fred had what he called quote a moody quality a controlled inner fury his brood his brooding silence is like the lull before the gathering storm Jesus what I've changed my mind a bit I've actually met him now and he's a terrifying very threatening man very threatening man very I don't like pairs anymore I

won't ever eat another pair I'm afraid of pairs what father O'Brien and no one else in authority at the time knew was that Fred was using the privacy of the chapel to place long-distance click calls back to his operatives in San Antonio at Huntsville Fred went back that's amazing that he's able to just place phone calls to a gang like what the fuck you think he's gonna do why is there a phone is he near a phone front went back to planning his escape he picked the conferences which were needed for his plan Ignacio Cuevas and Rodolfo Dominguez were more than willing Cuevas was 42 years old serving a 45 year

sentence for murder Dominguez was 27 serving a 15 year sentence for assault with a tent to murder now if I'm gonna escape and I'm in for 45 I go for the escape if I'm in for 15 I don't go for the fucking escape you can get out of seven yeah I agree Fred would also need outside help this wasn't difficult to find members of the dawns brought three pistols and 150 rounds of ammunition to Huntsville where the weapons were hidden on the grounds of an associate prison director the home was across the street from the prison oh boy Lawrence Hall was a trusted inmate I mean you could just imagine how unexpected like that the

guys involved in this medium security prison are not ready for this shit at all father O'Brien isn't ready to like when push comes to shove man up he is certainly not yeah Lawrence Hall was a trusted inmate at Huntsville that means he could take jobs others could not at this time he was working as a cook for said associate prison director so he's working at the house where the stars buried or whatever Fred approached approached him and for $2,000 Hall agreed to bring the weapons in Fred Fred's family paid Hall Hall's family the money and they were off and running so they have guns in the prison hold on

not yet Hall got a canned ham from the prison commissary he made ham for the prison officials family then left the remaining ham to spoil he then told the supervisor that he had to return the spoiled meat to the commissary and place the weapons in the meat can covered it with the spoiled ham and passed through the prison entrance without being searched holy shit fucking 70 well who wants to search bad ham no one wants to touch the smelly I don't want to touch smelly you're good you're good what do you have under there that looks like a trigger but that ham also smells real bad was nobody like why are you

bringing the shitty hand back in yeah nobody nobody was like we're throughout the ham yeah where's why are you bringing back shitty hey boss I had to bring this spoiled hand back over to the prison wait a minute okay that worked well so why not try something similar with the ammunition he took a gallon can of peaches to the prison officials house took the label off drained the contents then refilled it with bullets just those bullets are going to smell delicious then he took the can back to the prison telling security he was exchanging the peaches for pairs so what I'm doing here I know

you guys are probably looking at me as I'm actually running these peaches back in now because I want to exchange them with the pairs so in case many of you guys were looking at me going like hey I realized that he just had those peaches why is he have those peaches and now he's going back in I just because I'm going to do why am I talking so much I'm going to do a pair switch with the peaches so there's no what why you guys even looking at me weird no just go okay sorry thanks what's inside the prison the pistols and bullets were passed through a series of inmates until they reached Fred on March 28th

now guns and a shitload of bullets inside the jail and Father O'Brien once thought he was just a pear-shaped non-threat on March 28th 1974 the US Department of Justice and the DEA sent a letter to the Texas Department of Corrections saying the agencies had received information that an escape attempt would be made in the near future by Fred Carrasco probably because the guns have been passed through a bunch of inmates and one of them was like I don't want anything if I can do this this information came from four separate informants nothing was done wait they they knew that he had probably had guns well they they I

assume that from the guys on the street they learned that he was going to try to break out right and the guys on the street probably didn't want him to break out because he just killed a bunch right yeah yeah right so they told the they told the Department of Justice and the DEA that he was going to escape not that he had guns well they had to have known he had guns because they because they know already know he's gonna escape because they they were the ones who gave him the guns they brought him to the prison remember I mean you can't how do you prepare it's the 70s the Texas legislator created the Wyndham School

District in the Texas Department of Corrections in 1968 its purpose was to provide educational and vocational opportunities for prison inmates that would help them once they return to life outside the walls mm-hmm at the walls unit in Huntsville where Fred and the other inmates were located there was a group of about 15 teachers and librarians the library was on the top floor of a rectangular three-story building made out of reinforced concrete faced with masonry bricks with steel roof trusses it was unintentionally built like a fortress inside there was a classroom a library restrooms administration

offices and storage areas and there's only one entrance to the third floor complex one had to go through a pair of plate glass doors that open to a concrete ramp the ramps turned right and left and led down to the recreation yard because they didn't want recreate the recreation area to disturb the student prisoners the windows were all bricked up quote we asked them not to do that and it was still done said one teacher well I mean that it there's so wait so essentially what he now has is he's going to have if he wanted if we're headed in this direction he's really just got I mean he's just got well whatever

I mean he's just got one way in and one way out so he's really just got to defend that yeah they essentially built up a bunker for it yeah yeah all right this is the bunker that peaches built okay so one way and one way out there's not even a fire escape director Dewey Morgan complained to the wardens in 1972 that quote quote all any prisoner has to do is secure that front door and they have the building keep your goddamn voice down they'll hear you but but the Texas Department of Corrections director James Estelle was coded in the temple daily telegram saying quote I'm safer in every part of my prisons than most of you are

on the streets of your communities all right on Wednesday July 24th 1974 Estelle was giving a speech in front of the Rotary Club in San Antonio he ended his speech with quote the healing chemistry alone of 17,000 inmates and 2,500 employees dictates that errors will occur and until the citizens of Texas through the legislature say otherwise the Texas Department of Corrections what we call the TDC will continue to be run by your employees and not by your inmates thunderous applause jerking off that kind of stuff well gee really at the that's just kind of what happened that's the next step

after standing ovation is standing masturbating well I hope so have you ever had a standing masturbate oh yeah a couple times man it must be awesome at the exact same time in Huntsville a blue 357 magnum revolver was fired in the library at Huntsville by Fred Krosko as he shouted stop right there or I'll kill you at the 46 year old principal Novelia Pollard the opposite occurred she and everyone else dove for cover or scrambled behind bookshelves or that whatever do one of the two two workers in an office pushed a large file cabinet against the office door which was rather pointless because the office was

constructed of glass partitions oh Jesus that's my favorite yeah several inmates guilty of minor prison rules and fractions were working off their write-ups by polishing the rails on the ramp when the gun fired they all leapt over the railing and ran down the ramp in the classroom about 50 inmates students were taking a test or taking typing lessons Rudy Dominguez ran in with his pistol the only guard assigned to the complex hauled himself up into a crawl space in the false ceiling there you go that's what you're supposed to do in that situation that that's that now you may laugh that's part of his training if

there's a threat get the crawl space well yeah there's a there's a there's different parts of training but one part of training is is called a fuck this shit yeah so it's called the Saddam Hussein yeah and you just the second that was legit threat is there hide forever the third inmate Ignacio Queves left up with his own gun Queves was the only one who attended classes in the school art classes he was pretty good and ended up selling paintings for as much as $100 that's a lot for a fucking painting yeah maybe reconsidered Queves wrapped a chain from his calf unwrapped a chain from his calf and wrapped it

around the door handles now no one could get in or out Fred raised his pants leg and peeled the yards and yards of tape off stuck to his leg were the hundreds of rounds of ammunition Jesus oh boy some people to this day think that Fred's leg was not truly injured and that he was limping the whole time as a ruse knowing that he was going to try in a shootout to get out of a prison so so that he would always been limping because he knew he was going to break limb mission around his leg oh wow Jesus that can't be I don't know the Fred threatened to kill two of them unless everyone who was hiding came out and

they all did two prison guards ran up the ramp and Fred fired three shots to the plate glass doors they were injured by splintered glass and concrete chips from the walls now that everyone and then they ran off now that everyone was gathered around Fred said all right everyone take it easy do as we say and no one will get hurt we're committed to a plan to leave this prison we have nothing to lose and we're willing to die if we have to if the warden hurts one of us we're gonna kill one of you which kind of contradicts the first part when he said everyone take it easy everybody relax nobody's gonna get hurt okay they kill

one of us one of you dies wait you just said huh do it just seem like I don't think we asked for questions okay yeah within minutes Fred was on the phone to the prison warden how husbands mr. husbands sounds like an advice column this is my wife mrs. husbands yeah this is my wife mrs. wife I'm mr. husbands have you met our boy son Fred told him he was releasing the inmates he then hung up on the warden and screamed at the prisoners to get out they bolted now there are 11 civilians and four inmate prisoners left his hostages some inmates were still in the prison dining room which was directly below the

library okay they were finishing lunch or doing cleanup work banging pots and pans dishwashing etc. Fred's crew thought it sounded like guards are trying to tunnel up through the floor and demanded they stop or they would shoot the hostages like I think those are pots and pans the warden went to the dining room and told everyone to shut up and shut it down yeah good good call news would it would hit the news that night and the radio and papers the next morning but the country didn't pay much attention well you know this was the same day that the US Supreme Court ordered Richard Nixon to turn over his

oval office tape recordings oh boy so Nixon was about to go it was a scorching Nixon was like you heard about this at this inmate problem feels like we're not paying attention to the right story right Texas there are holding appeal hostage I don't do anything it was a scorching hot day in Texas tropical heat in the mid 90s uh-huh except in the air-conditioned library at Huntsville mm-hmm prison officials had no idea how many guns Fred had how many prisoners were taking part or how many hostages were there they were in the dark within minutes they were speaking on the phone Fred said if the guards charged he would

kill all the prisoners one look at his rap sheet and prison officials agreed not to do anything during this brief exchange Dominguez fired two shots into the ceiling fuck cuz fuck it I mean why not fuck it I'll make it a point fuck it Fred's just chatting away to a ping-pong the hostage were then taken into the corner of the library and grouped into a tight semicircle of chairs this way they were lined up you know you know be amazing is if there was like one librarian who had just fallen asleep and then woke up for that it was like hey can we keep what the fuck's going on excuse me I'm sorry it's just very loud I very you know

I realize you've taken hostages and you're taking over the library Fred let's keep it down it's still a library Fred I don't want to sound like a stick in the mud but this is still a library this is still a library so I want you to do what you need to do I understand you're gonna kill us if they try to dig through here but can we just use really library voices no bang bang no bang bang no bang bang well you can't shoot me cuz it's a library so they put them in a tight semicircle of chairs this way they were lined up for rapid-fire execution Fred told them quote it's not my plan to shoot anyone and tell them ready Fred

it's very contradictory at this point like somebody whispers the other like just don't even pay attention to the first half this point don't even pay attention to the first half what he says while Fred was calm and cool Dominguez was pacing like a lunatic gun pointed at the hostages thumb on the cocked hammer the entire time every sound set Queves and Dominguez off Queves got particularly excited about pigeons and their flapping wings what he raced up to the attic at least eight times the first day to make sure the birds were not being scared off by guards attempted to enter

Queves at one point described by a fellow prisoner as quote having an IQ just about room temperature during winter I don't I don't know what that means yeah that guy needs we need to find out what that guy's IQ is room temperature during winter I mean I guess it's average I feel like a moron who doesn't know how to describe IQ just called someone stupid yeah exactly that guy is the guy who's got the room temperature during winter IQ if anyone's got if anyone's got the room temperature IQ during winter is that guy meanwhile Fred was talking in an almost natural manner with no sign of fear or anxiety this is his calm zone

this is where he like feels yeah no daddy's back it's like he's in a nice warm daddy's back yeah Fred requested Father O'Brien come up to the complex so all negotiations could be done through him but Fred has conditions first the priest had to remove his collar and have his hands cuffed in front of him Fred was an atheist oh wow you didn't want the priest to go this car oh wow father O'Brien I like when you take a dog's collar off for a priest he just kind of just like running around like doing kind of like kind of sinning all over a little bit like yeah I let him off leash for I let him off leash for a

little while so you can just sit around here for a while you give him go fucking for a little yeah he's over there he's masturbating and smoking some weed yeah there he is I'll put his collar on a minute about our about our taking the father down to the father the father run yeah we're going down to priest park so father O'Brien agreed and became the messenger when one when father O'Brien arrived at the complex he looked at Fred and yelled Fred what in the hell are you doing and Fred shrugged what oh this what's a thing oh here we go so bored not a hello I don't even get a hello friend then calmly explained that this was an

escape quote we have nothing left to lose I will die if necessary for my liberty if I die today or tomorrow it's all the same to me next Fred decided to look for the guard who had scrambled into the crawl space they ordered him down and fired into the ceiling father O'Brien begged him to come down as did the warden over the loudspeaker finally he did Jesus I mean that has got to be really awkward he was at this point shirtless because it had been so hot up there well buddy he got really comfortable up there he's like tired the games at half time is there anyway man it's nice up there you guys like saw this sorry I got

naked in the crawl space and compromised the mission for two days they tired they tied the guard to the front door and terrorized him for days uh days because the Huntsville prison siege as it would become known would last 11 days oh my god the hostages all thought they were going to die the more prison officials and lawmen learned about Fred's advanced detailed planning the more impressed they became regarding food the three had brought food from the prison commissary up canned peaches pears can meet Vienna sausages and they had put all the food in the library behind the books where nobody would find

them but you got it I mean how great their hand a bit of library it was just like what's being a sausage is back here strange the cornflakes are on the shelf it's a little strange who wrote cornflakes Kellogg's wait a minute so when the prisoners took over they were ready basically for a long picnic right yeah Fred had already planned what to do with all the hostages he had everything worked out except for the getting out of their part ah well you know you know that's a little whatever you get there when we get there you get caught up in the setup you do yeah you do Fred

tormented all the hostages threatening to shoot them or blow up the building with a bomb by using information in books and a chemistry set that was also in the library hmm so what he was threatening to do was to take out books and slowly read them about how to build a bomb yeah and then get the chemistry set out which I'm sure contained stuff that would allow you to make explosives yeah and then make a bomb yeah yeah you know I would say no if you're if you have prison in the title no matter what the quantifier is don't have a chemistry set that a convict can get access to at one point Father O'Brien couldn't take being

a messenger anymore and gave himself up as a hostage thinking he could be of more use helping the hostages that's a bad move wait so he was just like I'm done being I'm done being the liaison I'm just one of them now I could have run your little messages anymore Freddie boy right Fred I'll just sit down here with the peoples now right notice the shift in character as the days were on Fred forced the hostages to make demands for him the demands always had unreasonable deadlines and could not be met when they weren't when they weren't met Fred would fly into a screaming rage at one point he asked for quote suitable clothing for

the three of us when asked further about the clothes he said I want clothes underwear socks razor blades soap deodorant and face lotion for himself he ordered heart a shaffner and marks label rather expensive and none of Bush shoes then he placed the exact order for Quavis and Dominguez but he said he wanted his suit to be twice as expensive as theirs he said if the clothes are not good I will kill the hostages Jesus Christ we're having a fashion show up here gentlemen these hostages are probably like you know I mean it's just getting shittier and shittier we are going to die we're going to die eventually he

just wants good suit demands are not good prison officials delivered that they also delivered 17 steak dinners from a lot seer one of the city's finer restaurants the rabbis and filets were all cooked medium served with baked potatoes and tossed salad and cost 7,875 at group rates and they had 17 is that for them and all the hostages yeah I mean do you trust one two three yeah do you know someone didn't get one right because there's 15 try the security guard who's taped to a door with lipstick and cuts all over him two people sound like they didn't get it to people too but I mean do you really try like I

would be like now Fred come on make sure the other people eat these two you don't just get 17 steaks Fred next demanded three m16 rifles six bullet proof vests three bullet proof helmets five full ammunition clips along with a hundred rounds of ammunition for each rifle and three walkie-talkies okay he then said he would kill the hostages if they didn't start getting this stuff okay so then they give him the stuff let's cut to let's cut to after they've given him all this stuff we don't need to hear those sort of lead up to the one they gave him the stuff they gave him the stuff all right the whole thing you're

talking too fast so three m16 yeah let me just make sure I got all this we want to make sure we get how do you spell launcher okay and bullet proof vests got it so you can get out easily now the seats go over this or under this oh okay ours became days and the days came to a week Fred's resolve began to wane in his level of agitation increased then he heard on a radio broadcast that an arrest warrant had been issued for Rosie as an accomplice oh boy Fred freaked out and Reuben Montemayer was brought in to act as his attorney even though they had never met and Fred already had an attorney now his new

attorney was involved in the negotiations but his old attorney got involved too later at one point Fred somehow ended up as part of a four-way phone conversation with his original lawyer James Gillespie the editor of the San Antonio light and a newscaster will Sinclair of KIT radio what the kite on the call when asked where he got the guns and ammunition Fred said he paid 25,000 to the security chief for the entire Department of Corrections Major Andrew Murdock Jr. Murdock just happened to be the guy who assigned Fred to his janitorial duties oh man the ruse worked prison officials spent tons of

time and energy defending Murdock to the press instead of working to get the hostages out Fred is really he's kind of like the Dennis Rodman of like prison PR he just really knows how to manipulate the media the conversation is dictated by Fred it's just amazing several days in hostage Dr. Glenn Johnson collapsed on the floor he appeared to be having a heart attack Fred demanded a doctor be sent up but prison officials said no Fred and any doctor would be like no no doctor I need a doctor no Fred finally allowed the doctor to be removed by stretcher he was released from the hospital the next day

shortly after that a second woman faked a heart attack and she was also released by Fred but she kept at the she was kept at the prison hospital to avoid detection of the lie which further pissed off Fred some of the hostages contemplated suicide using pills for headaches that hostage Steve Robertson had with him then one of the inmate hostages ran for the glass door jumped through it and dashed down the ramp and made his escape wow that guy's fucking awesome he's got fucking balls Fred was losing his grip on the situation and it was showing after that escape Fred made a demand for an armored car getaway

armored getaway car the demand was given approval by Texas governor Dolph Brisco they had a governor named Dolph mayor Dolph Brisco governor Dolph Brisco yeah I mean I wouldn't even put that in a script yeah no that just that does that doesn't sound anywhere near reality soon after the car was delivered into the prison courtyard Fred revealed he needed the car because they were planning to flee to Cuba and to appeal the fiddle Castro for aid in their case how how will they get to Cuba they're gonna drive in the car how are they gonna drive in a fucking car to fucking Cuba like we don't know Fred knows what a map is but

he wanted the car to go to Cuba they better that I mean it's hard to make an armored car that's also buoyant the FBI and Texas Rangers also sensed Fred was losing it they started coming as he wanted to drive through water they started coming up with options to end the siege before all the hostages ended up dead one of the ideas was to blow up the brick walls with plastic explosion explosives or use rolling shields to move in sniper teams both ideas were projected due to the risk of human life to human life on day 11 Fred Crosko allowed the hostages to call loved ones to say goodbye then the women and Father

O'Brien were selected to escort him on his departure to Cuba one big problem with his escape was the ramp it was actually four connected ramps that required prisoner prisoners to turn four separate times before reaching the exit the spiraling hallway kept snipers from being able to shoot in but also left Fred with the problem of not being able to see around corners when he was making his escape then Father O'Brien made a suggestion use the hostages as a shield well fuck I mean excuse me father can we talk to you over here for a fucking second father here now hey father it's us the hostages but the fuck is your

fucking problem we thought that we could help him out you don't make it shut the fuck up I want to be looking charmed well I just thought my point was mainly don't use the religious folk as a human shield right I wasn't saying the hostages but I was just saying you know don't use a father you know what became known as the Trojan Taco was bored oh my god it's a racist term but that's what it was called by the media a Trojan Taco Trojan Taco they constructed a portable barrier using two chalk boards taped together and reinforced by books to serve as buffers for bullets the idea was to use the remaining and nine hostages as an

external shield on the outside would be Fred on the inside would be Fred Cuevas and Dominguez with some of the women and the exterior nine would be handcuffed together on the outside he warned that if the prison guards tried anything he would shoot the women with him inside hey father O'Brien I just want to say thanks again for the great suggestion oh look at this it's like a taco with people in it you fucking asshole father O'Brien the idea was to roll the barricade out the doors and to the car where he would transfer two hostages to the armored car and then drive away to

freedom it's a flawless plan it's flawless talk about wanting to be last picked meanwhile the guards came up with their own way to deal with the Trojan Taco while Fred was building his his Trojan Taco the guards began to develop their own plan they called in the Huntsville fire department the plan was to use a high-pressure hose on the convicts and hostages to set them off guard and push them off their feet to gain control without the allowing the hostages to be harmed here's something that you might what is fucking happening if you have a gun right yeah in a taco and you get knocked over you got the

gun doesn't work because you're sideways what how do you like I understand someone pitching that but going ahead with it yeah all right prison guards hidden the corridor between the library and the door to exit around a corner they waited with their hose oh my god with a hose this plan can't go wrong this plan cannot go right what what's your guess of what happens I think innocent people die because he's still like it just is gonna be a shit show I mean people are gonna die it's not gonna go well and and Fred's gonna die too I think everybody's gonna die I think every I think they're all going to die

that's what I think as Fred Quavis and Dominguez rounded the ramp the guards blasted them with high-pressure hoses now what the Trojan Taco began to tip yeah I see that happening was all gonna work but just when the taco was about to tumble the hose ruptured causing the Trojan Taco to right itself okay so that the hose didn't work the hose I mean they brought a bad hose they brought a bad hose check your hoses gentlemen yeah we are going into a hostage situation check the hoses but other hoses kept spraying they succeeded in separating the outer hostages from the rest using the water hoses but this just

succeeded in making a terrible situation worse now the only hostages were in the Trojan Taco with the criminals who had the guns gunshots rang out the first coming from inside the taco the inmates were executing the hostages then the officers shot in response thinking they were being shot at Fred then shot himself in the head Dominguez shot two hostages in a panic before taking a bullet from one of the officers Quavis was pinned to the ground by one of the now dead hostages he was uninjured and unable to fire his handgun or do anything else because of the body on top of it Texas Rangers and FBI agents had

been hit by bullets but they were all wearing bulletproof vests the small corridor was filled with the smell of gunplow gunpowder residue smoke and blood father of Brian was seriously injured the two dead were Yvonne Becetta a 57 year old prison school teacher and Judy Stanley a 43 year old librarian both women had volunteered to accompany the convicts as hostages inside the armored car Ignacio Quavis was put on trial for capital murder and received the death penalty he was put to death by the state of Texas on May 23rd 1991 his last man was chicken dumplings of steamed rice sliced bread black eyed

peas and iced tea Quavis last words were quote I'm going to have some good food his last words were quote I'm going to a beautiful place okay warden roll them whoa that is kind of a fan of those last words it's not bad yeah roll them roll action the governor the director of prisons Estelle and warden husbands went on to be ridiculed for the outcome of the 11-day ordeal the deaths of the hostages was thought to have been avoidable and went under review for their decisions made they took during the heat they took were made during whatever they took heat over the outcome okay but in many many in the

corrections you know system around the country thought that it was a miracle that anyone had survived yeah after the shootout a few reporters were loud inside where the nude bodies of Carrasco and Dominguez lay on the bloody concrete and James a reporter for the Houston Post was denied entry because of her sex sure can't see a penis lady she won't be able to separate it her woman mind won't be able to separate it Dave these are naked men you know how she'll be she can't report in that situation right she doesn't have a man mind Bill Weinbacher the San Antonio cop who had been after Fred for a decade said

quote I think he was crazy he wanted to be the kind of guy they would sing about in beer joints toward the end a UPI reporter was comparing Fred to Al Capone pretty boy Floyd and Clyde Barrow the song Muerte de Fred Gomez Carrasco has been sung in bars around San Antonio and elsewhere ever since so I got his dream yeah well well well my friend feel good holy shit you like Jesus you like uh huh huh you like you like I think it's the only thing I'm glad Father O'Brien's okay and I'm glad he got hurt putting a lot of this on him yep it's pretty epic yeah that's crazy yeah

all right well that's Fred Carrasco Christ happy birthday everybody