THE ED MYLETT SHOW - If You Are Ready To Pursue Your Dream, WATCH THIS!

Episode Date: February 1, 2025

Are you truly living your dream, or are you just getting comfortable in your suffering? This mashup episode is packed with transformative wisdom from some of the most resilient and inspiring minds on ...the planet. Together with Susan Cain, David Goggins, John Assaraf, and Jasmine Star, we explore what it takes to escape the prisons we create in our own minds and start living with purpose, freedom, and intention. You’ll hear from Susan Cain about the power of embracing your emotions and how simple practices like expressive writing can help you find clarity and move forward. David Goggins reveals the transformative impact of enduring pain and why embracing the hard stuff is key to discovering your full potential. John Assaraf shares practical strategies to align your goals with your self-image and conquer the fear of change, while Jasmine Star offers insight into keeping perspective and showing up authentically, even when life feels overwhelming. The recurring theme? The real growth happens when you stop chasing comfort and start chasing your potential. Key Takeaways: - The Prison of Comfort: How chasing short-term ease keeps you from long-term fulfillment and the steps you can take to unlock your own mental and emotional freedom. - The Role of Pain: David Goggins explains why pain is temporary but suffering is a choice—and how to use pain as a gateway to transformation. - Practical Emotional Strategies: Susan Cain introduces tools like expressive writing and loving-kindness meditation to help process difficult emotions. - Mastering Change: John Assaraf outlines four barriers to success and why becoming an “adaptationist” is the key to overcoming them. - Reframing Your Vision: Insights from Jasmine Star on maintaining focus, even when life throws unexpected challenges your way. If you’ve ever felt stuck in a routine or trapped by fear, this episode will challenge you to take the keys you already hold and open the door to the life you’re meant to live. Let today be the day you stop just surviving and start truly living. Thank you for watching this video—Please Share it and get the word out! What part of this video resonated with you the most? Comment below! Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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Starting point is 00:00:00 So hey guys, listen, we're all trying to get more productive and the question is how do you find a way to get an edge? I'm a big believer that if you're getting mentoring or you're in an environment that causes growth, a growth-based environment, that you're much more likely to grow and you're going to grow faster and that's why I love Growth Day. Growth Day is an app that my friend Brendan Burchard has created that I'm a big fan of. Write this down growthday.com forward slash ed. So if you want to be more productive, by the way, he's asked me, I post videos in there every single Monday that gets your day off to the right start. He's got about 5,000, $10,000 worth of courses that are in there that come with
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Starting point is 00:01:28 Hey everyone, welcome to my weekend special. I hope you enjoy the show. Be sure to follow The Ed Mylet Show on Apple and Spotify. Links are in the show notes. You'll never miss an episode that way. There's a big difference between pain and suffering. Pain is mandatory in getting somewhere in life. Pain teaches us. Pain is temporary. You can survive temporary pain. On the other side of that pain. You meet another version of yourself We learn from our pain and it's temporary Suffering is living in that prison in your mind suffering is chasing a dream. That's no longer your dream
Starting point is 00:01:58 Suffering is not pursuing your interest in your curiosities and your hobbies. Those are all things we choose. So pain, that's part of life, that's almost mandatory to pursuing something great. There's nothing wrong with having pain in our lives because when we get pleasure it feels a thousand times better. So pain is gonna be there but suffering is of our choosing and so many people choose to keep suffering in more and more comfort. My challenge to you today is to no longer do that and to pursue your dreams, to unlock the keys of the prison you've been living in and start to live freely again.
Starting point is 00:02:29 Today we're gonna talk a little bit about suffering and suffering in comfort. Many years ago, my friend Wayne Dyer shared a story with me and I tell it a little bit different and I use it for a different purpose than him. But I want to tell you the story about the four philanthropists. And so, many, many years ago, there was this war going on in this village.
Starting point is 00:02:54 And in the village, the people that lived there lost the war, and all of the men in the village were imprisoned. And the prison was actually in the village. And so, imagine all of the husbands and brothers and sons were imprisoned in the very community that they grew up in. And there were these philanthropists, there were four of them,
Starting point is 00:03:14 that all wanted to come along and live their destiny, live their purpose and make a difference in the world. And so, one of the first philanthropists came along and found out that all these men were sleeping in very uncomfortable conditions, and there was, you know, they were sleeping on rocks. There weren't adequate mattresses and there wasn't great pillows or anything like that. So he said, I'm a very wealthy man and I'd like to help these men in the prison suffer in a, you know, in a little bit more comfort to give them some comfort in their suffering.
Starting point is 00:03:39 And so I'd like to donate pillows and mattresses so that they could sleep comfortably. And the prison agreed and he donated all the mattresses and mattresses so that they could sleep comfortably." And the prison agreed, and he donated all the mattresses and the pillows so that these men could sleep in some comfort, and he felt great. He felt like he fulfilled his purpose and his destiny in life and made a difference for these men. The second philanthropist came along and found out that the men were bathing in terribly dirty water
Starting point is 00:04:02 and were drinking this water and were becoming malnourished and we're dehydrated because they couldn't keep the water down. And he said, listen, I would like to donate clean water so that these men can have a little bit more comfort in their suffering. And so the prison agreed and he donated clean water to the prison. And he felt great about the fact that he did.
Starting point is 00:04:23 He felt like I fulfilled a purpose, I've fulfilled my destiny, I've made a difference in these people's lives. The third philanthropist found out, he lived in town, he was a farmer, and he found out these poor men that were once in the community, that were now living right there in this prison, were eating terrible food. It didn't taste good, it was unhealthy,
Starting point is 00:04:44 it had some maggots in it from time to time. And he went to the prison and said, listen, I own a farm. I would... I grow fresh food. I would love to be able to donate the meat and the eggs and the produce and the vegetables to these men that are in prison, just to give them some more comfort. And the prison agreed
Starting point is 00:05:03 and allowed them to donate the food. And this man donated the food, and now the men were eating healthy food that nourished them that tasted good and no he felt great about the difference that he made and felt like my fulfilled my destiny as a person. But then the fourth philanthropist came along and the fourth philanthropist. He was a saint. And the fourth philanthropist did something very interesting in the prison. He went and got the keys. And the gift he gave to the prisoners as he came along and he had the keys to unlock them from the prison he was in. And he unlocked it. And all the prisoners were released from the prison and no longer suffered at all.
Starting point is 00:05:47 He fulfilled his destiny. He fulfilled his purpose. And I share this story with you because in my opinion, so many people are suffering in comfort. Meaning they're constantly trying to add things even though they're suffering in their life. They do things to feel more comfort in their suffering. Rather than alleviate their suffering,
Starting point is 00:06:08 rather than what I'd like to think that my show or myself or what I'm gonna share with you right now, I have the keys to unlock you from the prison that you live in, the prison of our minds, the prison of the emotions we don't wanna feel, the prison of feeling like we're less, the prison of feeling like my life doesn't matter, the prison of not having a sense of direction, the prison of feeling like we're less, the prison of feeling like my life doesn't matter, the prison of not having a sense of direction,
Starting point is 00:06:27 the prison of feeling invisible, the prison of always beating ourselves up about our previous sins or mistakes or setbacks or failures, the prison of being worried about what other people think about us. And so many of you and so many of us in our life stay in this prison that's in our minds. And the entire time, all we're trying to do is,
Starting point is 00:06:48 man, if we could just sleep a little bit better, if I could feel a little bit better, if I could eat a little bit better, if I drove a little bit better car, if I had a little bit cooler friends, then my suffering, I'd have more comfort in my suffering. And there's this thing in our culture right now where so many of us, all we're really trying to do
Starting point is 00:07:06 is have a little bit more comfort, but we're suffering. And I believe suffering comes from a place in our life where we're not pursuing our dreams, we're not pursuing our potential, we're not giving ourselves the gift of what's already within us, which is love and bliss and peace. And we're pursuing these things, we're pursuing that car that truck that relationship that amount of
Starting point is 00:07:28 money that title that prestige that like on social that following so that maybe as we're suffering we feel a little bit more comfort there's these moments of happiness moments of bliss moments where we feel okay but we live in a prison of our own making and our minds. And I believe there are keys to just simply the simple process of unlocking the key and walking out of that prison, and you never need to live in it again. And that's really what my show's all about.
Starting point is 00:07:56 See, the prison is living in fear. The prison is, what are people gonna think about me? The prison is living someone else's dream. So many of us right now are pursuing something or in a career that we didn't even really choose. Our parents chose it or people thought we'd be good at it or we studied it in college and so we're stuck in it or we've started a business and we're running it
Starting point is 00:08:19 and it was originally our dream, but we just suffer every day in this dream that's probably right now if we checked in and started over is no longer our dream, but we just suffer every day in this dream that's probably right now, if we checked in and started over, is no longer our dream. How many of you right now, as you're driving in your car or running on the treadmill or watching this on YouTube, relate where you're like, I am suffering. I'm in this prison that I've, it's my making.
Starting point is 00:08:39 It was my dream I no longer have. It was my parents dream that I'm living. It's a job that I know I don't want to do. It's emotions every day I don't want to feel, but that I have create this pattern of feeling these emotions. I have a, see in our lives we have these emotions we're going to get on a regular basis. No matter what the conditions are of our life, there's five or six emotions we're always going to go get.
Starting point is 00:09:00 So if our addicted emotions are pain anxiety worry suffering anger depression angst nothingness We're gonna find a way in our life in a given week No matter what the conditions are to get back into that prison of those emotions Don't you don't we we find a way to do it because we're addicted to that pattern of the emotions and most people listen to me we'll live their entire life and get to the end of their emotions and most people listen to me will live their entire life and get to the end of their life and only at the end of their life realize I suffered in comfort and I could have ended my suffering at any point. I held the keys, God held the keys the entire time. I could have simply
Starting point is 00:09:40 unlocked the gate. I could have unlocked the door and walked right out. And I believe that door, those keys are the following things. It's your faith. It's connecting if you don't have one, connecting to something you believe in that's bigger than you. In my case, you all know that I'm a Christian, but whatever faith it is that you choose, that faith is a pathway. It's part of the keys of getting out of the prison.
Starting point is 00:10:03 It's the keys of getting out of the prison. It's the keys of getting out of the prison. Part of the keys is fighting a dream that's our current dream, not our past dream, not our parents dream, not our friends dream, but our dream right now. Ask yourself a question, check in. Am I now living in a prison of my own creation? It was a job I chose I don't want anymore.
Starting point is 00:10:21 It's a degree I'm pursuing I'm not interested in. It's a business I started, I'm not interested in. It's a business I started that now that I've done it, it's not for me but I'm still in it and I'm suffering in it but I get a little bit more comfort with a little bit more money. I go to a concert, I've got good friends, whatever the thing is you do. I get a good bottle of wine on the weekend. Whatever you do, you smoke weed, whatever your thing is, all you're doing is trying to just be a little bit more comfortable in your suffering.
Starting point is 00:10:48 I believe the key out of that prison is to pursue something that's your purpose and your passion and your calling and that your heart tells you to do. I also believe it's pursuing something that takes advantage of your natural skills and abilities. The prison can be what other people think about us. The prison can also be oftentimes holding our past failures and mistakes like a weapon, almost like most of us hold this gun to our head regularly
Starting point is 00:11:11 and we remind ourselves of our mistakes, of our sins, of our past, and we believe those things disqualify us. I believe the other way out of that prison is to accept your worth leaving the prison, to accept you weren't born to be in that prison. I believe that. To chase your purpose and your dreams, to live your life on your own terms. See, you hold the keys to this. And it's almost like this, in life,
Starting point is 00:11:37 Wayne said this to me one time, in life, there's like this, life is like this massive 100-room mansion with all these experiences and things we could be seeing and doing and trying and learning and Expanding and many of these things may not even be a business. It might just be a hobby It might be a pursuit might be an interest. It might be a curiosity of yours. These are the pathways curiosity and Chasing that curiosity and learning something new and trying new things and experiencing something different, giving everything. See, total freedom in life, total freedom being
Starting point is 00:12:11 out of the prison is a total commitment to something. People think, well, if I get into a totally committed relationship, I lose my freedom. Nothing could be further from the truth. Total commitment gives you freedom. Well, if I get totally committed to my business, man, I'm going to lose the freedom. Not true. Total commitment is the keys. Well, if I get totally committed to my business, man, I'm gonna lose the freedom, not true. Total commitment is the keys out of the prison. Half commitments, halfway committed to a relationship, halfway committed to a business, halfway loving what you do. That's the prison.
Starting point is 00:12:36 That's the lack of freedom. Total freedom is actually total commitment because once you've totally committed, now you're free to create. Now the options are whatever you want them to be in your life. And so I'm a huge believer that these keys, those are the pathways out of the prison in our minds.
Starting point is 00:12:53 Those are the prisons out of our life. See, Wayne said to me, it's like, life is like this hundred room mansion. And we're born into it, and we get into this, we've chose this one career or this one relationship and we spend the majority of our life in that one room in a hundred room mansion. Think about that for a minute. All the different experiences things you could be learning seeing and doing in your life.
Starting point is 00:13:17 But you spend almost every day most of us in the same room in the same life in the same room, in the same life, in the same mansion of life, with the same people doing the same things. Suffering. Suffering. And just a little bit more comfort. And you can dress that room up all you want. You can dress it up all you want. You can have the best blankets, the best food, the best drinks.
Starting point is 00:13:42 But you're still suffering. You can leave that room anytime you want. There's hundreds of other rooms. In fact, there's hundreds of other mansions that have hundreds of other rooms all over the world. There's a big world for you to experience. My challenge for you today, and that pathway out of there, my challenge for you today is to take the keys right now. Take those keys and open the door and at least mentally step out for a minute and say I can end my suffering by pursuing my passion, by giving myself the gift of my
Starting point is 00:14:15 faith, by giving myself the gift of my happiness and my bliss, by only being around people who love me and believe in me and treat me the way I'm worthy of being treated. I'm gonna begin to treat myself the way I'm worthy of being treated. I'm gonna regularly audit my life and take a look at what my dream is now. Not what my dream was when I was 18 or 13 or 25 or whatever your age was. At some point, what's your dream now? If you could dream again now, if you could have the emotions you wanted now, if you could pursue your purpose now, what would it be? Those are the keys out of your prison. You were not born to suffer in comfort. You were born to do something great with your life. You were born to leave this prison. You were born to do something awesome, to contribute to the lives of
Starting point is 00:15:03 other people and your past does not Disqualify you and just because you've been in this prison or in this one room in this hundred room mansion and that one mansion Does not mean that you need to live there the rest of your life at any point You can make a decision to step right out of that place and begin to create again. And by the way, just the visual Picture of stepping out right now if you gave yourself this gift, I'm gonna step out. I'm gonna be in to create again. And by the way, just the visual picture of stepping out right now, if you gave yourself this gift, I'm gonna step out, I'm gonna begin to create, I'm gonna begin to learn, I'm gonna begin to grow,
Starting point is 00:15:31 I'm gonna be gonna pursue my passion. I'm not gonna begin to just do the same things that cause me to have a little bit more comfort in my suffering. I want to live blissfully, I want to live greatly, I want to do something awesome with my life, I want to live blissfully, I want to live greatly, I want to do something awesome with my life, I want to make my dreams come true. At any point you're one decision away from doing that.
Starting point is 00:15:51 And today I just want to simply tell you that I believe my content, my podcast, the pursuit of your potential and your dreams, and you being that fourth philanthropist for you, for you. You be that philanthropist for you. You be that saint for you and those pathways again are your faith or your purpose or your dreams. Is your courage to change your life? Is your courage to say I'm unlocking the keys? I'm stepping out a new person and maybe it's the same career. Maybe it's the same career but it's a different version of you doing it.
Starting point is 00:16:24 It's a more positive, optimistic, confident you doing it. That the suffering isn't the career. The suffering isn't the business. It's the person in the business. It's the person who every day thinks I've got to worry and be frustrated and be angry and be concerned and I've got to suffer in order to make this work. There's a big difference between pain and suffering. Stay with me. Pain is mandatory in getting somewhere in life. Pain is a primer. Pain teaches us. Pain is temporary. All pain is temporary. You can survive temporary pain. On the other side of that pain, you meet another version of yourself. I want to be very clear about that. I'm not going to tell you that
Starting point is 00:17:06 pursuing your dream, pursuing your life and life in general doesn't involve pain because it does and there's nothing wrong with that. We learn from our pain and it's temporary. Suffering however is optional. Suffering is different than pain. Suffering is living in that prison in your mind. Suffering is being with someone that doesn't love you and treat you the right way. Suffering is different than pain. Suffering is living in that prison in your mind. Suffering is being with someone that doesn't love you and treat you the right way. Suffering is chasing a dream that's no longer your dream. Suffering is chasing no dream and building someone else's dream at a job when that's not what you want. Suffering is not pursuing your interest and your curiosities and your hobbies.
Starting point is 00:17:41 Suffering is not being connected to your faith. Those are all things we choose. So pain, that's part of life. That's almost mandatory to pursuing something great. Pain is what makes pleasure feel so good. There's nothing wrong with having pain in our lives because when we get pleasure it feels a thousand times better. That contrast, that duality, that dichotomy is one of the beautiful things of life. So pain is gonna be there, but suffering is of our choosing. And so many people choose to just keep suffering
Starting point is 00:18:10 in more and more comfort. And my challenge to you today is to no longer do that and to pursue your dreams, to pursue your potential, to unlock the keys of the prison you've been living in and start to live freely again. Hope that helped you today everybody. This lady and her work has been inspiring me and affecting me for a very very long time as an introvert her work really resonates with me and her latest book is called Bitter Sweet How Sorrow and Longing Make Us Whole. I cannot wait to have this conversation. I wish we had five hours
Starting point is 00:18:42 with my guest today Susan Cain. Susan, welcome to the show. And thank you so much. So great to be here with you. You say that the way we meet our pain defines who we are. And I want you to elaborate on that. I've been saying lately that, you know, on the other side of temporary pain, oftentimes we get introduced to another self.
Starting point is 00:19:00 DePaul and Hill says that in Think and Grow Rich. And I find that when I speak about pain, so when I speak about winning and competing and achievement, I get incredible responses from people. But when I speak about pain and suffering and even death, and that, you know, that it will come for us at some point, I've been speaking a lot lately about my father's passing that the depth of emotion, the depth of the energy, the depth of the feeling is maybe a hundred times greater. Yeah. What I touch on those topics than just the good stuff of winning and competing and
Starting point is 00:19:32 achievement. So what do you mean when you say the way we meet our pains defines who our pain defines who we are? We have a choice with our pain, which comes into every life. And the choice is we can either try to suppress it and ignore it. And if we do that, inevitably we are gonna end up taking it out on ourselves in the form of depression or something like that, or on the people around us,
Starting point is 00:19:59 or we have the choice of being with it and acknowledging it. And it's not fun by definition. It's not fun. But there's a way in which we can transform or like try to transform that pain into something else. I mean, I think that's, that's the heart of the creative impulse for most creative people. They're like looking at something painful in their life. They're looking at their sense of longing and they're trying to turn it into something else and something more beautiful. Is there a practical thing you can do every day to do that? In other words, when you are feeling these emotions of, I don't know, for me, it's not always pain.
Starting point is 00:20:35 Sometimes it's just like melancholy or I think that's the right word for it. For me, I sometimes this is melancholy feeling about things that I enjoy sitting in for a while. But is there a strategy that you use? There is, because there's a bunch in the book, but is there one thing you would say to someone who says, maybe I'm ODing on melancholy and I need to turn it into something powerful. I mean, I guess the question is, are you talking about being in a state of mind where you are enjoying it and grooving on it? In which case, I don't think you need to do anything differently.
Starting point is 00:21:16 Like when you're in that state of mind of like, Oh, you know, the sky is so overcast and I'm loving this music that that's the state in and of itself to cultivate. But if you're talking about, well, I'm in a state where the pain is actually really painful, that's different. And a great technique for that is something called expressive writing, which I talk about in the book. And it's basically just the sheer act of just writing down what you're feeling without any thought of publishing or anything like that. Quite the opposite. You know, get it out, write it down, rip it up. And this is based on studies from a guy named James Pennebaker at UT Austin. He's done all these crazy studies showing how powerful the sheer act of writing things down is it improves your health, it literally lowers your blood pressure, improves your success outcomes in life, greater sense of well being. So it's a way of discharging what you're feeling.
Starting point is 00:22:10 But also what you end up doing when you write it down is your sense making, you're like making sense of what's happening. And you're figuring out how you want to move forward with whatever has just caused you this pain. The reason I ask you that is because in the book, you sort of state this, this belief system that I agree with that maybe these are the emotional states of creativity. And that when we look at art, oftentimes it is born out of these sort of emotions. When we listen to music that really moves us, it's born out of them. Even comedy, ironically, most comedians are touching
Starting point is 00:22:43 on something uncomfortable, painful, or the ironies of life. And so most are. Why do I say this to everybody? Because I have the benefit when I experience these things, I create speeches that I give or books that I write or podcasts that I'm going to do or content that I create. But a lot of people just sort of sit in these emotions.
Starting point is 00:23:00 And you asked earlier, which is it for me? And I think most human beings would say this. It depends on the day and it depends on how long. And so I want you to talk about this because I just want to ask you this personally. There's a point in time where I'm in these states of contemplating, you know, you say the fragility of life and how you understand death has a lot to with how you live. I'd like you to touch on that and give you a long answer here, give you a long runway. So there's that. And I do that a lot. Or, you know, just, just allowing myself to sit in a state of just, it doesn't always have to be 150 degrees of bliss all the time. It's okay to sit on a
Starting point is 00:23:35 kind of misty day and just enjoy the gray a little bit. Now, having said that, I think most people who have that proclivity predisposition or even disposition, which may be all of us, you can then sit in it a little too long though. And that's what I mean by the abundance of an emotion, right? There's a point where you're going, now I'm not creating out of this state. Now it's impacting me the other way where it paralyzes me or freezes me, or it makes me tired. It can even impact your energy level.
Starting point is 00:24:07 So what would you say about all that? Yeah, these are amazing questions. So first of all, in terms of the creative idea, one of the things I say in the book is whatever pain you can't get rid of, make that your creative offering. And as you say, there's just so many studies and so many examples that I talk about the ways in which creators
Starting point is 00:24:31 do exactly that, you know, and it's not an accident that so many of our great creatives over time were orphaned before the age of 18, like an astonishing percentage of them lost one or both parents before age 18, because that's what they're doing. Clearly, you know, they're figuring out how to take that ultimate longing that they're left with and turn it into something else. But to your other question of like, how do you know when it's just right or too much? It's a really important point because I there there's a kind of happy and creative state
Starting point is 00:25:03 of melancholy that we were just talking about. And then I think farther down that spectrum, you get to something that looks more like clinical depression, where you, it's very difficult to be creative when you're actually depressed. I mean, depression is more about like an emotional numbness and a hopelessness and a sense of disconnection, whereas the happy melancholy we were talking about, you're feeling intensely connected. So the thing to do is to sort of tune into where you are in that spectrum, right? And if you feel you're slipping towards something that resembles clinical depression, like that's a, that's a time to get help as opposed to only thinking, well, how can I, you can keep on trying to turn it into
Starting point is 00:25:46 something else, but you also might need to be looking to outside resources for help. What about, what about this Buddha? I think it's a Buddhist practice. You talk about in the book called meta. Is that what it's called? Yeah. Yeah. What is that? I think this is a tool that could be used by people, sort of in all situations, but maybe particularly the one that I'm discussing. If you could just get into that just for a second, because I think it's super powerful. Yeah, absolutely. So Metta is a practice that basically means loving kindness meditation. And I'm actually, by the way, I'm creating my own loving kindness meditation, which will be up on my website in the next month or so for people who
Starting point is 00:26:24 are interested in doing my version of it. And that's Susan Kane.net if you're curious, but loving kindness meditation, it's basically a form of meditation in which you actively unconsciously wish wellbeing, peace, good things, love to, interestingly, classically, you first wish it to yourself. And then after that, you wish it to people who you know very well, to acquaintances. Ultimately, you wish it to the difficult people in your life. You kind of like move outward from there. What's interesting is for a lot of Americans, they have a lot of trouble beginning with wishing these good things to themselves. So very often people need to turn it upside down and wish it
Starting point is 00:27:10 to other people first before they feel comfortable getting around to their own selves. There's no magic though. You can do it in either direction. My favorite time in church, I was raised Catholic. My favorite time in church, and when you're a little kid in Catholic church, there's a lot of stand up, sit down, kneel, we're gonna say the our father's, all repetitive nature to the service. And my favorite part of church on Sundays was the one little moment where you get to turn to your neighbor and say, peace be with you.
Starting point is 00:27:39 Oh yeah. And I loved that part of church. In fact, I miss it because I don't go to that church any longer. And my dad said to me when I was a little guy, and this is even when my dad was drinking because he was still a really good man, he goes, you know, I do that quietly all the time
Starting point is 00:27:53 when I pass strangers. I said, what do you mean, dad? And he goes, oh, when I pass someone, like I open a door, I'm in an elevator, I'll just quietly say, peace be with you. I wish you peace. And he said, even when people walk by us in restaurants, Eddie, I'll do that. And that's a practice that I've, I've had all my life,
Starting point is 00:28:09 because a lot of times with parents, things are caught, not taught. Right? Yes. One of the greatest gifts I give myself all the time is my quiet prayers. When I see somebody, I'll even see a family at a table and just say, peace be with you. And just that feeling feels so good to connect with someone's soul, who may not even consciously know you're connecting with them, but I have this belief system that subconsciously,
Starting point is 00:28:33 spiritually, from an energetic soul perspective, they do feel it. And so I love that you bring that up. I completely agree with you. I have total goosebumps listening to the fact that you do that. And I think not only from a soul perspective, completely agree with you. I have total goosebumps listening to the fact that you do that. And, um, and I think not only from a soul perspective, even if you look at it just from a human evolution perspective, we are designed to pick up on each other's cues and we do it in a thousand ways that
Starting point is 00:28:56 we're not even consciously aware of, which is, so I think people would be picking it up, you know, from you saying that. And that's exactly what practicing meta does. Like I notice whenever I'm not as good as I should be about doing this all the time, but I notice whenever I do practice it, you know, then I go out into the world and I'm just sort of like automatically doing some version of what you just said. Do you know why it works for someone like you and I and almost everybody listening? Cause it's going to go to the other thing I want to talk about, which is that I'm an introvert and some people say, don't ever label I'm an introvert. And some people say,
Starting point is 00:29:26 don't ever label yourself as an introvert. No, I, I'm introverted. And I love that I'm introverted. And I wanted to, the reason I share this, whatever you want to call it, technique or strategy that my dad taught me, it's just really an act of kindness. It's not really a strategy, but it's also something an introvert can do because you don't have to say anything to give someone a prayer. So it's my, my way of connecting with someone in the unspoken way. And I may never, I mean, there's the truth.
Starting point is 00:29:51 I've connected with millions of people this way, probably in my life that I've actually never spoken to. And what I think, I'm a much deeper connection than, hi, how are you? Good. Have a great day. I think much deeper connection is to say, peace be with you. Or, you know, I wish you a beautiful day. I wish you bliss. Like I love saying that quietly to myself for another person.
Starting point is 00:30:10 Don't you agree? Oh my gosh. I absolutely love it. And I am sure you're radiating something at them when you're doing it. I feel that way too. I do too. I'll give you another version of something like that
Starting point is 00:30:23 that I do. It's almost like the flip side of what you just described. So I wrote in the book about this video that the Cleveland Clinic put out that went viral. Cleveland Clinic is a hospital and the video was designed to teach empathy to their caregivers. And so what this video did, it takes you through the hallways of the hospital and you're passing all these random people who you normally wouldn't think one way or another, except in this case, there are these little captions that are underneath each random person as you pass them by. And the captions tell you what the person is going through at that moment.
Starting point is 00:31:01 And sometimes it's happy things like, you know, just found out he's going to be a father for the first time. But more often, because it's a hospital, the captions are things like, you know, under a little girl going to say goodbye to her father for the last time, like, like these heartbreaking things, you cannot watch this video without tearing up. It's impossible. So once I saw this video, I started to do this practice where I just try to imagine what people's captions are as I pass them by, you know, just in everyday life. I love it. And I don't know the answers, but there's something about wondering what they are that makes you interact with them completely differently, you know, and care about them in a different way.
Starting point is 00:31:46 I love you. I do that too. And I, I, I, I sometimes perhaps I'm making it up in my mind and I'm just going to say, so I've never said this before. I've never thought about it consciously to you just said it, but we get, everyone gets to listen to you and I talk about this, which is cool, right? This is no longer a podcast.
Starting point is 00:32:02 It's just you and I talking. But oftentimes, oh my gosh, this just confirms what you believe so much more deeply. It just dawned on me. I do do that quietly when I watch people or I'm in a place and it's harder and harder the more well known you are to do it intimately because someone sees you than they know you. So that's a little harder than it used to be for me, but I do do it. And I also, ironically, sometimes sense their pain. And I almost project a story onto them in my mind about what they are insecure or they feel invisible. Oftentimes, because I think these folks feel so invisible, this is my way of seeing them, even though maybe auditory wise, they don't know it. And so I actually, it makes me really even confirm your work even more because I don't usually
Starting point is 00:32:47 picture them in their most blissful or happy state. I picture them in their pain and their sadness and that that just must prove even more deeply. That's how we connect with one another. Yeah, absolutely. I mean, we're designed to do it, right? Like we the species wouldn't survive if we couldn't look after helpless children who come into this world as crying infants. Like that's what we do. And because of that, like that, that ability radiates outward from there. So, um, by the way, if people wonder whether this is true,
Starting point is 00:33:18 give them this stat. See, if I'm a business person listening to this, okay, what's the business research? Yeah. I, the business application of this is, maybe you should stop always trying to connect with people on their victory and their wins and what you or your company can do for them, but begin to connect much more deeply with people, which is their pain and their anxieties and their fears and their story, their sadness.
Starting point is 00:33:40 I think you'd find you'd connect a whole lot more deeper, even as a busy person, but give us the research, especially the one about the songs on the playlist. Oh, yeah. Okay. Okay. So the songs on the playlist. Well, there's a lot to say about that. First of all, people whose favorite songs are sad songs like you. Listen, we'll start with the other way. People whose favorite songs are their happy upbeat songs, they
Starting point is 00:34:04 listen to them about 175 times. People like you who love the sad songs 800 times. Crazy. And we also know that the songs that make people feel, the chills and the goosebumps and the real feels, they're the sad songs. They're always the sad songs. And people will say, this is what makes me feel connected
Starting point is 00:34:24 to the sublime, to the wondrous, to something outside myself. It's always the sad songs. I love it. I love it. I want everyone to know that. By the way, you and I both always want to give the caveat. We like sunny days. Yes.
Starting point is 00:34:37 We like happy songs too. It's just, we kind of have a tendency towards the other. So you're also going to talk about this research where I was talking about from a business standpoint, I think you're going to kind of confirm some of that research. Oh yeah. Well,'re also going to talk about this research where I was talking about from a business standpoint, I think you're going to kind of confirm some of that research. Oh yeah. Well, what I wanted to say about like people connecting to each other through their sadness. So like there's this amazing psychologist whose story I
Starting point is 00:34:54 tell in the book, his name is Dacher Keltner. Um, and he, he's done all this groundbreaking research, proving what he calls the compassionate instinct in people and compassion, what it literally means that word is with sorrow, like with suffering. So it means, you know, you're reacting to somebody else's pain or distress the way you were just saying. So he's, he's located this in our bodies, basically. Um, like if you, yeah, just one example, and there's a whole bunch of them, but we have a, what's called a vagus nerve. It's the biggest bundle of nerves in our bodies. It governs our breathing
Starting point is 00:35:31 and our digestion. So it's very fundamental to who we are and to our survival. And also when you see another being in pain, your vagus nerve becomes very activated. Yeah. So it's like the same nerve that's helping you breathe is also telling you to respond to the pain of the person to whom you've just wished well in the grocery store. Um, like that's how we're designed. I love it. I just think everyone, maybe this could give you a different perspective on how you interact and view humans and one another. Just this little, I don't think even Susan, you know how big this theory is and that I'm validating as a truth. Cause I think taken to its logical extension would change the way that humanity interacts with one another, how we treat one another, our religious and political differences are, you know, our, there's our slight nuances that make us different. This is,
Starting point is 00:36:28 this is what would connect people in a much more kind way. It would give leaders of companies and teams and businesses and countries, a completely different perspective on how to lead and connect with people and bring them together. So I love, love this work. I have to share something with you about this connecting with people with their pain. And it'll take me a minute, but my audience knows some of this. But here's how correct your work is. My dad was an alcoholic and a little bit of a drug addict.
Starting point is 00:36:53 And the biggest decision on my lifetime was my dad getting sober. And he stayed sober for the rest of his life, like 35 years. But about three weeks ago, I read your book because we were going to do this. And the next night, Susan, I just want to share with you how profound this work is and these thoughts are for everybody. So I read your book, I read it in a sitting. And that night I went to bed. Oh, excuse me. The next night when I went to sleep,
Starting point is 00:37:15 I had this vivid dream of something I didn't realize that I'm 51 years old. And that is that someone helped my dad. And some precious soul stepped forward and helped my father get sober in the darkest moment of his life when he was losing his family, maybe losing his life and some precious human connected with my dad and changed my family forever, changed my great grandchildren, people listening to this. You wouldn't be listening to this. And guess how he connected with my dad through their shared pain and suffering.
Starting point is 00:37:44 That person was also an alcoholic, also a drug addict. They knew the shame. They knew the fear. They knew the embarrassment. They knew the frustration. They knew the depression that came with the patterns of behavior. Had that person connected with my dad through bliss and sunshine and rainbows or their own perfection, their own lack of pain,
Starting point is 00:38:06 but they would have never been able to help my father. They reached my dad through connecting through shared suffering, through shared pain. And then from there said, here's how I can help you. So from every perspective in life, the connecting point is here. And then how I can help you. Isn't that a great example? Oh my God. It's an amazing, amazing, amazing example. Thank you so much for sharing that. And I think I don't have that dream if I don't read your book the day before. I don't because it opens up. That's why art this podcast, it'll just, I guarantee everybody, there's millions of people listening to this driving in their car on the treadmill or with their family. They're looking at the person, the next person they see just a
Starting point is 00:38:42 little bit differently, looking in the back seat at their babies and they're looking at someone at the grocery store, and they're going to think about their friends differently. And this is where change comes from. The other thing though I have to ask you about... I just want to say I totally agree. And I have thought this before about like our hopelessly divided politics and culture and religion, everything, that I think what we should be doing is figuring out spaces for people just to be able to share their stories and share the pains that they've gone through
Starting point is 00:39:13 without it being connected, at least temporarily, without it being connected to any call for policy change or a political agenda or anything like that, just for people from different backgrounds, from red, from blue, from everywhere, to just tell their stories. That's it. I love it.
Starting point is 00:39:29 I actually believe that, you know, I get asked sometimes about how to run for office, and that's highly unlikely, but I do believe that that's where change comes from, is just saying, just please hear me and listen to me. And then you can reach your own conclusions. It's when they think that there's a hook coming
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Starting point is 00:42:31 Welcome back to another episode of the Jasmine Star Show. Today, my guest is the one, the only Ed Mylett. Your birthday was rather recent, but your mom gave you your dad's cufflinks. Yeah. And when you talk about living in the past, there are elements that are empowering to us, and there are elements that are the things that hold us back. When you put your dad's cufflinks on, what are the stories?
Starting point is 00:42:54 How does it empower you, or does it? Well, no, big time. That's such a great question. So my dad's the centerpiece of my life. You know this. I told you about it in the book. I was raised by an alcoholic. My dad, my first 15 years of my life, lived a not-great life. And the reason I believe humans can change so much is I watched my hero do it. My dad then, for like the 11 millionth time, tried to get sober one more time, one more try. And there was these themes in his life of one more. So he finally got sober and it was a very emotional thing I write about in the book. And then when he got sober, I said, daddy, are you gonna stay sober forever?
Starting point is 00:43:26 And he said, I don't know I'm gonna stay sober for one more day at a time and I've used that lesson a lot when I wanted to quit businesses I just like I'm not gonna quit for one more day I'm gonna quit for one more day and there were all these one mores in my dad's life where he helped one more person get sober and so only my dad by the way my dad never again celebrated mom born April 27 My dad was born April 11th and in between those two my dad got sober my dad got sober on 420, which is hilarious The next 35 years my dad only celebrated that birthday And so when I put those cufflinks on that my mom gave me it it makes me emotional to say, but I kinda step into that person
Starting point is 00:44:05 who gives things one more try. I know in your life, the premise of the book's really simple. My dad always told me this. The Bible says, where there's no vision, the people will perish. But if you dig deeper, most of us have a vision. Would we rather be happy or sad?
Starting point is 00:44:21 What's your vision? Happy. You wanna be rich or poor? You wanna jet or commercial? You want a beautiful home like this or you want to live in an apartment the rest of your life? Do you want to help a bunch of people and contribute or make no difference in the world? So most people have a vision. Their issue is depth perception. They think they're further away all the time. And so because they think it's far away, they act in accordance with that belief system and they always keep those dreams and visions that far away from them.
Starting point is 00:44:43 with that belief system and they always keep those dreams and visions that far away from them. But what if the truth is you're not that far away? What if the truth is you're one decision away from changing your life like my dad was? What if you're one relationship, one meeting, one podcast, one interview, one book, one thought, one new emotion? What if you were that far away from changing your life? Then life would look a lot different. Then you begin to look for those one mores everywhere. And so when I put those cufflinks on I have a tendency to look for those one more is more than I do when I don't Yeah, so good. Okay. So I I love getting practical. Yeah, so somebody's listening and they're like, okay So Ed says depth perception the thing I want is farther than what I think is possible at least in immediacy
Starting point is 00:45:22 Yeah, and so I act in accordance to that which in perpetuity pushes it farther away. Keeps it there. So then for somebody who's listening like okay let me see if this guy's really talking the talk. I have a vision for X. What are the decisions? What am I looking for when you say one more decision? One more thing. Give me the nitty-gritty. That's the one thing about this book if I have a criticism of my own book it would be that it's heavy. It is loaded with like detailed stuff. So the second chapter of the book is called The Matrix and I love The Matrix because Neo was the one which you can talk about but what The Matrix really means for me is there's a part of your brain we're gonna be really
Starting point is 00:45:55 detailed called the reticular activating system. It's located in the prefrontal cortex of your brain. It is the filter that reveals the world to you. Only the things that matter most to you are revealed by this filter. Perfect example is, I just bought a Tesla. I like what Musk is doing, right? So I go, I tell my team, give me a Tesla. So I get this, I drove it here today. I get a Tesla, all of a sudden, Jasmine, I'm on the road.
Starting point is 00:46:14 Hey, hold on, I mean, people are listening right now. I just wanna take a moment. So I told my team to get me a Tesla. So this right here, this right here, I want you to know, this is all of a sudden, I'm like, that's possible? So I'm gonna behave as if I am one day away from telling my team, give me the Tesla. And by the way, because you believe that,
Starting point is 00:46:31 you're much closer. By the way, I've also been in a point in my life where I'm like, I have no team to tell anything to and my Honda CRX just had the passenger seat stolen out of it, right? So I've been in both places, believe me. And that's probably why it's so clear to me. But all of a sudden I'm on the road. I see freaking Teslas
Starting point is 00:46:47 everywhere now. I mean like literally everywhere. Three lanes over, other side of the freeway, babe, white Tesla, babe, red Tesla, babe. They're everywhere. They were always there. Why do I see them now? I see them now because they've been programmed into my RAS is important to me. So what happens is in life, if you can begin to make your ambitions, your goals, your visions, those decisions, those relationships, your Teslas, all of a sudden they're revealing. They've always been there. This is the thing people don't understand, the law of attraction, blah blah blah. These things have always been there, but you're not hearing them, you're not seeing them, you're not
Starting point is 00:47:17 feeling them because your RAS is programmed to worry about the things you're stressed about, your current problem in front of you, the immediate thing you have to do. So how do you do it? You have to do it by repeated, repeated, clear visualizations because your mind moves towards what it's most familiar with. Humans are already great at this. They just visualize the stuff they're worried about.
Starting point is 00:47:39 They just visualize the tasks they have to do. They don't take control of their imagination and their RAS. And I teach you in the book how to slow visualizations down, how to do them. It's not complicated. You can do it in three or four minutes. And it becomes repetitive. It becomes a muscle. It's why, like, when you walk in a room, there could be 300 people in a room. If someone says quietly the name Jasmine, you hear it auditorily over all the other voices. Everybody's this way because it's in your RAS.
Starting point is 00:48:02 So these things have always been there. And the matrix they slow it down. What happens when you start to program your matrix is your life begins to slow down and you start to see these things. I just played golf, this is crazy, but the guy about three weeks ago they go, hey I want you to meet this dude your net worths are similar. So I get on the first tee and the guy's like, oh man I'm a fan of yours I can't wait to hear about you. I go, that's not how I work, bro. I already know about me, we're gonna talk about you today. Right, I'm not talking about me.
Starting point is 00:48:29 And so I go, tell me your story. Think about one decision away, this blew my mind. He goes, well my story's really quick. He goes, 1986 I loaned a guy $50,000. And he goes, my best friend loaned the same guy 50 grand. A week later my best friend said, please give me the money back, the guy returned the money. I let the loan go.
Starting point is 00:48:44 It turned into 750 million bucks I said dude stop who'd you loan that money to Jeff Bezos I went you got to be freaking kidding me and I said wait a minute you really were one decision one relationship one loan away from totally change your life now that's extreme I don't have that story right but I'm a series of small one wars over my life that have transformed me to the point where I'm addicted to it now. And here's the hook, and then I'll come up for error. Most of these things are painful. And on the other side of pain, Napoleon Hill says, you get introduced to your other self. If you can survive the temporary. This is even good for you right now as you're building
Starting point is 00:49:24 your business and you're doing so great, right? Can you survive the temporary, this is even good for you right now as you're building your business and you're doing so great, right? Can you survive the temporary? Most people make permanent decisions on temporary conditions, especially entrepreneurs. They do it all the time. And the truth is if you can survive the temporary and get to the other side of it, there's a gift revealed to you. I'll give you the big one. You open the interview by saying to me that one of my gifts, and I only have two or three. I've made hundreds of millions of dollars with very limited skills It's just the truth, but I do have two or three. So does everybody that are unique to them One of them is what you said. I am good at reading people and being present and listening closely. What's that come from? We tell what it comes from. I'm the child of an alcoholic
Starting point is 00:50:00 And so when I was five years old, I had three sisters and a mom. I Had to know what dad was coming through that front door at five. And so that man would come through that front door and this little boy, me, I'd have to read my daddy. Is this drunk dad? Is his tie a little loose? Is his hair messed up?
Starting point is 00:50:17 Is he walking a certain way? Is he a little slower? And if it's drunk dad, I gotta get my sisters upstairs. I'm gonna tell my mom to go take a shower. and then I'm gonna grab my dad's hand at five And I'm gonna do the other thing. I'm good at I'm gonna talk to him and I'm gonna change his state I'm gonna tell him how good I did at school that day I'm gonna move him around and I'm gonna talk to him If it was sober dad, we just go play baseball in the backyard and have a great time
Starting point is 00:50:39 But I learned to read people because of a tragedy in my life. A tragedy. One of the hardest painful things in my life gave me one of the greatest skills I have that's made me tons of money and helped millions of people. So most of these things that you want in your life are hidden behind temporary pain. Okay. So for the perpetual cynic and skeptic and the people who I love I love those who challenge So somebody's listening and they say it is a skill that Ed Milett is honed drilled in that now He sees one more one more one more
Starting point is 00:51:15 It is the white Tesla But go back to the Ed when you were living a much simpler life when somebody did steal the passengers See out of your Honda Civic. Yeah Can you give us an example of one more thing that you did that like all of a sudden it started opening your eyes to what was that potential? Yeah, I got so broke so I was doing okay a lot of entrepreneurs I was doing alright and then like things went bad. That's entrepreneurship right? You take off then you crash. Can you talk about that just got the nutshell version of you
Starting point is 00:51:43 were doing okay what business was this? I had a real estate business and a financial business. And so I had done well and then the market crashed and then I had a foreclosure. Then it came out one morning and Christiana's car was stolen. I'm like, I can't take this anymore. Except when I got back into the apartment, turns out it wasn't stolen, it was repoed.
Starting point is 00:52:02 And then we had her power turned off. And then that's bad, but then the worst is we had the water turned off. And so she had to go get a job while I was an entrepreneur and the water turned off, you can't cook, you can't bathe. I would have to get up every morning with my new bride, walk down our apartment stairs after we had already owned a house that we lost,
Starting point is 00:52:20 hold a towel up and we would go to the pool at the apartment complex. There was a shower there, outdoors. And I'd hold a towel up and we would go to the pool at the apartment complex There was a shower there outdoors and I'd hold a towel up while my new wife would take a shower and brush her teeth And then we would switch I get emotional today about it and I would hold the towel up She would hold it up for me And I remember we would just climb back up those stairs and I'd have to I'm living a nightmare And I got to go out into the world and sell a dream and I decided to go get a job. Hold on Yeah, I was living a nightmare and I had to world and sell a dream. And I decided to go get a job. Hold on.
Starting point is 00:52:45 Yeah. I was living a nightmare and I had to go and sell a dream. Yeah. Oh, if that's not the entrepreneur struggle. It is the entrepreneur struggle. And I still sold the dream. I operated out of my vision and my imagination. Right.
Starting point is 00:52:59 Not my memory and my history. And so this is so critical, but here's what happened, it's crazy. Here's one more decision I made I actually went to surrender I was gonna quit my brother-in-law who worked for LA Cellular at the time was doing really well it's making like 200 grand a year. What was he doing for LA Cellular? Sales manager and so long story short I'll make it really quick he was out on Victoria Beach with my sister visiting so So I met him down there. I said, hey, can we take a walk?
Starting point is 00:53:26 And my intention on that walk when I took him was to quit and to ask him for this job. And I was so down and we had no water. They don't know this, but like, I mean, I'm worried about eating. And I've hadn't told this ever. I don't know what I'm doing this day. We're walking, because it's you.
Starting point is 00:53:45 We're walking, we get like about 50 yards. He's like, so what, bro? And I go to say, can you give me a job? I go to say that, except I go, how long are you gonna stay at that crappy job, bro? He goes, what? I go, you need to come into business with me. You need to come live the dream, dude.
Starting point is 00:54:04 I'm gonna build something big. I've got these plans. Here's what I'm gonna do. This, this, this, this, you need to come into business with me. You need to come live the dream, dude. I'm gonna build something big. I've got these plans. Here's what I'm gonna do. This, this, this, and this, and it's gonna be amazing. I'm gonna be working millions of dollars. I'm gonna live on this beach someday, bro. You gotta come do this with me. And as I'm saying, I'm like, what?
Starting point is 00:54:15 Like, I had intended, but I couldn't quit. And somehow that imagination came out of me. I swear to you, Jasmine, he goes, I don't know, bro, I need to think about it. I go, you need to think about it. I swear to you Jasmine, he goes, I don't know bro, I need to think about it. I go, you need to think about it, I'll give you a day. He quit that job two days later and came to work with me. He still works on that financial company to this day. He's made millions of dollars, I've made millions of dollars. That one moment of decision walking that beach with him, and he'll
Starting point is 00:54:40 hear this, we haven't talked about this in years, altered my life, altered his life, and I was just ready to go, I'm out. I was literally on the walk to raise my hands, and something in me said one more time, and everything shifted there. Oh, that is coming in hot. Hey everybody, I'm excited to share today's conversation with David Goggins with you, but prior to doing that I want to warn you, the language used in this interview is very strong and there's profanity used throughout the conversation. Do you like suffering or do you just deal with suffering? Real answer.
Starting point is 00:55:15 Real answer? Yeah. I like to see, real answer, I like to get a bunch of men together. Okay. Men. That are the hardest of the hard. And I wanna be with these men. And I want to see them suffer. Cause I'm suffering right along with you,
Starting point is 00:55:36 but I wanna see me get through it. I wanna see what you're made of. I wanna see like, almost like the Coliseum in Rome. Let's fucking go to the fucking Coliseum. And the only way to see who the baddest motherfucker is is to suffer. You can't do it by writing a paper. So let's go.
Starting point is 00:55:57 Because why? What I found out through my life was I thought of myself as some weak little bitch kid. And what I found out, and the only message I wanna get across to people is, once you change one thing, your mindset, you can attack everything.
Starting point is 00:56:15 And I find it fascinating, I'm fascinated, because I'll be in these moments, I put these guys on some fucking pedestal. Yeah, which people field with you they do with me and they shouldn't and I was this guy who was a piece of shit look at these like God how are you guys this amazing but once I worked my way up there that's my god man we can all compete motherfucker let's go so do I like suffering I like suffering in the way that is competitive,
Starting point is 00:56:47 that brings out the absolute best in me and in everybody else. So like I wanna see a man be defeated. I wanna see a man get broken and say, fuck you. I love these men. These men I love, but there's very few of them. There's very few of them. And there's very few that are willing to go there more than once.
Starting point is 00:57:13 A lot of people, even people who've gone through special ops, it kicks the shit out of them to a point where in their mind, what got me bad in pair rescue was when I was going through it, I said, I'm only going to do this one time. And so many people in special ops, whether they believe it or not, in anything, fuck special ops, anything, that's hard, I'm only doing this one time.
Starting point is 00:57:36 Once you say that, you fucked yourself. It's the truth. I got to tell you, off camera, you and I were talking about something. Now we're going to go to something cool. Okay. Well we've been in something cool, but I work with a lot of athletes when they get out of their career. They made this massive sacrifice all their life
Starting point is 00:57:53 to get to the NFL, they make that thing happen, they're only willing to do it once. Right. And when that's over, their identity's set on that thing forever, and they just repeat the stories from that time over and over. And I watch them have such a difficult second half of their life, I try to help them with that.
Starting point is 00:58:10 I've watched it with my business people. And you and I were talking off camera, so I've started to uncover with me, the last couple years that I've been on social media and teaching these things, and if you gave me that mirror test the last couple years, that accountability mirror, when I look in it, I'm starting to look at a dude who used to do some crazy shit
Starting point is 00:58:32 that was cool in his life, really accomplishing things. And all these accolades, people follow you, they listen to you, they think you're something special, you have that, I have that. Clearly the differences in our lives are too vast to even venture what you've achieved. The things you've overcome are completely different than mine. But I'm starting to realize something about myself that I wanna give the audience a gift of and I want you to talk about it.
Starting point is 00:58:53 You know what, I've just accepted, I'm only gonna be happy when I'm grinding for something. I'm only gonna be happy when I'm growing. I don't wanna talk about stuff I used to do. I wanna do something great with my life. I don't know that I can get to the mental level you have, but I think everybody here needs to know something. If you just think you're gonna do something temporarily once,
Starting point is 00:59:13 man, you're gonna be unhappy when it's over. That's right. How about you right now? When you look in the mirror right now, so Goggins looks in the accounting mirror today, what does he see and what are your thoughts about that? So, same with you. What happened with me was like,
Starting point is 00:59:30 so who I was, I was this nobody guy. And I created this Goggins. And that Goggins, there's David Goggins and there's Goggins. David Goggins is a calm, cool guy that sits back, used to be a weak kid. Now he's just a normal guy. Goggins is a guy that is willing to tape up his legs to go after it.
Starting point is 00:59:54 In that book, you read about David Goggins and also Goggins. What I realized in my life is that Goggins is who I love. Goggins is who I love. Goggins is who I created. My dad created David Goggins. I created Goggins. So what's happening with me, and since Can't Hurt Me came out,
Starting point is 01:00:18 and since I got on social media, which is why I fucking don't like social media, which is why I'm not on there very much, which is why I give people one like social media which way I'm not on there very much was I give people one time I? Have to do me. Mm-hmm. I have to do me so people get it fucking twisted man I am who I am yeah was in that book is me Yeah, so now what they see is this guy who's trying to get people to get off their fucking ass That just happened to happen, man.
Starting point is 01:00:46 I didn't set out, when I set out to be a fucking CEO and set out to go to Ranger School and all this other shit I did and break records, I didn't set out to fucking please motherfuckers. I didn't set out to say, hey, pay me now, I got a great fucking story. Fuck that. And I realize now that my life has kind of gotten
Starting point is 01:01:04 to a point where people know me, I have followers and whatnot. The biggest depression of my life is you get caught up into helping so many people out and it's great and I love that, but you lose yourself in all of that shit. It literally, and people go, man, but my God, you're changing,
Starting point is 01:01:24 I get all that shit. It literally, and people go man but my god like you're changing, I get all that shit man, but what the fuck is motivating you in that book? What's motivating you is the fucking stories I'm telling you about what I did in my life. Once I stop living that I'm no more. Yes. I am NOT the fucker that you are now being motivated from. So right now in the mirror, I now got back to Goggins. I'm now back to running 100 miles a week. I'm now back to getting the fuck, because I saw and I talked to my girl about all the time.
Starting point is 01:01:57 You travel, you speak, you know, all this shit. It's all fucking great and dandy for most people. I'm Goggins, what makes me me is the dungeon. And yeah, and people are like, well, oh my God, they're gonna hear this, my God, dude, you don't have any peace, and you're like, don't get it fucking twisted. Weak people who hear me get all fucking poopy pants about how I talk.
Starting point is 01:02:22 So be it. What changed me was I had to be hard on myself. And I have to continue to grind myself into a fine dust. Period. That's where I feel good. I feel like I accomplished something. If things come easy, it's not fun. I must fail at something repeatedly.
Starting point is 01:02:45 It has to haunt me. And then once I complete it, I feel like I accomplished something. I don't want to sit out and say, oh, there's an A, we're good. It's fucking stupid. No, I want to turn in a million times and say, you fail, you fail.
Starting point is 01:03:00 And I'll say, okay, Roger that. And sit there and analyze what I'm doing wrong. Go to these places that people don't go to anymore because all this fucking social media shit and everything's computerized. I want to go to that dark place in my mind and say, okay, how are we going to get this done? I think people, the right people are happy
Starting point is 01:03:20 when they're challenged by something. Like when they're pursuing something, when they're challenged, like when there's, when they're not by something. Like when they're pursuing something, when they're challenged, like when they're not where they could be, when they're not who they could be. And you and I were talking about this off camera, it's like I just want everybody to understand this. This is from two people who are sort of in this space. We love helping people, we love making a difference.
Starting point is 01:03:38 But what makes us make a difference is the pursuit of who we've been becoming, these challenges. You and all the different ways. You have it in my way and millions of people in their way too. I don't want people to think, I just want to get to a place and cool it. You get to that place and cool it, I think you're going to be miserable. You've got to still find somewhere.
Starting point is 01:03:56 I want to go in your head a little bit because I've not lived this and very few people have lived this. I want to take you back there for a minute, and then at the end I'm gonna ask you what that thing looks like next for you. So this whole thing that you did, you get out, where I can't cover the whole military thing, because I want them to read the book, right? But then you're like, hey, you really never
Starting point is 01:04:17 done any of this before, but this is sort of the formula of what we're talking about. Then the military thing ends, and then you're like, yeah, I'm gonna go like run, I'm gonna do the Badwater 135. My cardio was 20 minutes every Sunday on the elliptical trainer. Okay. That was it. That was it.
Starting point is 01:04:33 So I'm looking at all these different races and one comes up, number one, the hardest race in the world, Badwater 135. 135 mile race through Death Valley. I'm like, that sounds fucking nice. But I didn't, but it didn't describe that it was like a couple day race. I'm thinking, okay, that has to be like a fucking seven day race. Cause I don't know people who run like that. So I ended up calling Chris Costman up.
Starting point is 01:05:00 Chris Costman is the race director of Badwater. And he lives out here in California. He's like, hey man, I'm like, hey Chris, I call him up in the first conversation. I actually have all the emails in my book for me even going back, he's a fucking stickler man, I'll tell you that. So I call him up, I say, hey man, I'm gonna do this race.
Starting point is 01:05:16 He's like, have you ever run 100 miles before? I'm like, no. He goes, well to get my race, you have to do 100 mile race, and you gotta do 100 miles in 24 hours or less. There's only two more races I could do before the deadline dropped. And so I'm like, he goes, you live in San Diego, right? I'm like, yeah, this was Wednesday.
Starting point is 01:05:36 I call him up on a Wednesday morning. He goes, well, there's a race on Saturday. And it's called the San Diego one day at hospitality point in San Diego where you run around a one mile track for 24 hours and 70 miles you can get. So I'm like, fuck it, man, this guy's kind of calling me out. I'm going to get this shit done. I'm a seal. I'm a badass. Been through ranger school and shit. I got this. Hardest thing I did in my entire life, dude, was this one race. So, I go... Harder than getting through... Hell yeah. Wow. I was not prepared. Okay. At all.
Starting point is 01:06:14 So, I go, I sign up for the race, I show up, I'm this big bodybuilder looking guy, shirt off, black hat on, you know, and I'm, I set out. So every mile, I'm gonna see this blue lawn chair, I had Ritz crackers and Myoplex. That was my fucking nutrition, man. No water, no nothing, just Myoplex. No water? No, Ritz crackers and Myoplex, dude.
Starting point is 01:06:37 Come on. I never drink water on runs and shit. I fucking didn't know about all this shit. So I go out there and I'm running. I get through 50 miles. I'm gonna cut to the chase because I detail it really well in the book. I get going. I sit down at mile 70.
Starting point is 01:06:55 And buddy, I hadn't sat down yet. I sit down and everything falls the fuck apart. Literally, man, I'm like peeing blood down my leg, I have some crap coming out of me, and I got 30 fucking miles to go. And I'm in the worst shape in my entire life. And so I won't get too deep into it man, but I end up going back through my cookie jar
Starting point is 01:07:19 and I talk about, you know, my cookie jar is basically something I invented about, we forget how badass we are when we're suffering. Because our mind just stays right there and suffering. The cookie jar is a reminder. You know how your mom used to have the cookie jar, you don't know what kind of cookie you're going to get, but it may be oatmeal raisin, maybe chocolate chip meat, because you know,
Starting point is 01:07:40 she's dumping me in that motherfucker, you just grab one and go. So my cookie jar, the things I've accomplished, failed at, didn't fail at, just kept on grinding through. So I take this one second, I calmed down, so I realized, okay man, I gotta be able to just stand up first, come all dizzy and lie headed. And I go through this process. And I said, I might quit, but not yet.
Starting point is 01:08:00 I go, this is the worst shape of my life. So I said I might quit, because when you're not gonna quit something, you got 30 miles to go, you're the worst shape of my life. So I said I might quit, because when you're not gonna quit something, you got 30 miles to go, you're mind spazzing. Like I'm fucked up. Like 30 miles is a long way to go. Just fresh. I've already gone 70, I'm in the worst shape of my life.
Starting point is 01:08:15 I'm like, okay, so I'm giving my mind some space. Because if you don't give it space, it's just gonna freak out. So I'm saying, you know what, I'm gonna quit, but let me just sit here for a second and drink some water now. So I'm saying, you know what, I'm gonna quit, but let me just sit here for a second and drink some water now. Now I'm drinking water. I have my crew going over to get some fucking nutrition,
Starting point is 01:08:31 some food for me, I'm getting better. So now I stand up, like wow, I'm able to stand up now. Because I wasn't able to, I was all lightheaded. Now I'm going on this track, and I get to mile 81, and I wasn't gonna make the time, because I was moving slow. You're behind time. Way behind.
Starting point is 01:08:47 Okay. And this is the craziest thing in the world and I fucking shit you not. I'm in the worst shape of my entire life, ever. I've never even been close to this, again, never. Mile 81, I'm not gonna make the time, as slow as I was moving. And when your body and mind connect,
Starting point is 01:09:10 and I think this is the only time I've ever done this. You become a cyborg. I end up running 20 miles at about a 10, 15 mile and get done with that risk I did a hundred miles of 19 hours and six minutes and to this day And I don't and I don't detail it well with you but in the book I do I learned
Starting point is 01:09:37 More from that 19 hours and six minutes Then I did in all three hell weeks Ranger school and this is months. Ranger School was 60-something days. Hell Week and all the BUDs is six months. I was in BUDs for like 18 months. You know, I went through Delta Force selection twice, you know, pull-up records.
Starting point is 01:09:58 I learned more in that one race that I wasn't prepared for. That 19 hours brought me from utter misery, happiness, failure, success, depression. I went through every fucking emotion in the world in 19 hours. And you should hear how the race ended. Then I really took a shit on myself. I got in that blue chair when the race ended and I literally, it just was over. I was in the worst shape of my life. I got in the tub and they put the shower, or she put the shower on me, the shower hit me
Starting point is 01:10:32 as I'm laying in the tub in the fetal position and what came out of me looked like dirt as I'm peeing. It's not even blood, it's just this dark brown dirt. And I'm sitting there and she calls my mom and my mom has a doctor friend over her house. And this guy's one of the best doctors in the country. And he's like, you need to give him to the doctor now. So what I'm about to tell you is gonna fuck you up.
Starting point is 01:11:00 So I'm sitting there and I think I'm gonna die and worst shape of my life. And I'm in this tub and I'm sitting there and I think I'm gonna die. And worst state of my life, and I'm in this tub and I'm jackhammering and I had this hot water hitting me and I'm literally in the worst pain, my shins, my feet, I'm broken. And I'm just sitting, I'm cramping up and she said, we gotta get you to the doctor.
Starting point is 01:11:21 Your mom's worried, I'm worried about, we've never seen this before in my life. And I go, I'm not going anywhere. Huh? I wanna sit here and enjoy this pain. And I know the listeners hearing this are gonna say, man, you're a fucking nut. No, I'm not.
Starting point is 01:11:44 What I got a chance to experience in that 19 hours and six minutes of my life was something I didn't want any painkillers. This was proof positive. What I was feeling is what I just did. I did something without training, without coaching, without a chairing staff, without any knowledge.
Starting point is 01:12:10 I took a raw human being with no training whatsoever, put him out in a condition, and just through this alone, got through it. And I sat there and I was like, it was the best feeling I've ever had and will ever have in my entire, I was in the worst pain in my life
Starting point is 01:12:35 and it was the best feeling I ever had in my life. Not because of the pain I was in, but the pain was confirmation of my God, did I just do that? And I had completed hell weeks, but that right there was like, don't take this from me. And it was confirmation, proof positive, that this young kid that came from shit,
Starting point is 01:13:02 that wasn't shit, that lied and cheated, for I was now the truth. this young kid that came from shit, that wasn't shit, that lied and cheated for, I was now the truth. God. I was now the truth. I was a Navy SEAL. I went through Army Ranger School as honor man. I went through all this shit.
Starting point is 01:13:18 I was truth. I became truth. There was no more lie. And what's funny about all that is the people in my life who were in my life when I was bad, and I call it bad wasn't bad. I had a fucked up way to go, man. They wanna, they're still out there,
Starting point is 01:13:39 and they know what the fuck I'm saying. I ain't gonna drop names on them. They wanna take me back there. They're mad that I'm here. Yes They wouldn't still make me out to be What I was right? They don't like the fact that they're still where the fuck they're at. That's right. They hate that So on this journey in life, there's a lot of people who are fucked up right now on the journey There's always be that motherfucker in the sewer you came from
Starting point is 01:14:04 up right now on the journey is always be that motherfucker in the sewer you came from that's grabbing at your fucking ankle as you're leaving that sewer that's when to drag you right the fuck back down because you figured it out they're not willing to figure it out it's not much to figure out one thing to figure out is this and everybody has a different equation. My equation is different than yours. My equation was very different than most people's. And it's not about being sadistic, it was just about that that right there was kinda like the moment of my life where I realized,
Starting point is 01:14:40 I don't like to say that I've arrived, because you never wanna have the I've arrived mentality cause you stop, but that was the moment that I realized that I've arrived because you never want to have the I've arrived mentality because you stopped but that was the moment that I realized that I was the truth. So hey guys I just walked in the studio we're gonna record an episode and guess what I just did before I walked in. Walked into my pantry got my AG1s out poured it in my glass made myself a drink of AG1s. I do it every single day for me I do it a couple times a day. Why do I use AG1?
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Starting point is 01:16:41 TurboTax live full service. Real-time updates only in iOS mobile app. See guarantee details at TurboTax.com slash guarantees. That was a great conversation and if you want to hear the full interview be sure to follow the Ed Mylett show on Apple and Spotify. Links are in the show notes. You'll never miss an episode that way. And you know there's all kinds of different addictions in life. You know we can become addicted to alcohol or we can come addicted to a person we come addicted to drugs We can come addicted to gambling and all of those are really well-known addictions There's one addiction that I see become so prevalent in our culture today that I do not see being discussed in the business world or in
Starting point is 01:17:21 the personal development the self-help world because it's sort of a scary topic to touch on. And so what I wanna talk about today is achievement addiction. And I know that may sound like an interesting thing coming from somebody whose show is all about, you know, achieving your dreams and making great things happen in your life and changing your life,
Starting point is 01:17:40 but there can become an addiction to achievement that becomes very unhealthy. And one of my concerns about so many of you that are involved in the, you know, the podcast or personal development world is that you begin to miss the forest for the trees and that you begin to become addicted to achievement in a way that is unhealthy. You know, all kinds of studies right now, if you write this down, just remember this phrase right now process over product That if you're always focused on the product you're producing and the achievement that you must have you lose focus over the process and
Starting point is 01:18:14 What happens oftentimes in life is we become so focused on the fruit of our life We become so obsessed with the fruit that we want to produce in our life That this takes all of our energy and focus away from building the tree that could actually produce fruit for a lifetime. We become so addicted in the finish line, in the achievement, this addiction to achievement, that it becomes incredibly unhealthy to our long-term mental health and also our long-term wealth accumulation, our long-term building, because we don't learn the process of delayed gratification and we don't fall in love with the process of doing
Starting point is 01:18:47 something great in our life as opposed to always being addicted to the product. And this achievement addiction become incredibly unhealthy. It can become unhealthy because you delay all of your bliss in your life until you get to particular destinations. Once I get this achievement, then I'll be happy. Once I get this relationship, then I'll be happy. Once I get this relationship, then I'll be happy. Once I get this amount of money, then I'll be happy. And this addiction to the finish line keeps all of the bliss and our joy in our life into the future. There is a way to be blissful now and still being productive.
Starting point is 01:19:17 The other thing that happens when you're addicted to achievement is that you become, it can very carefully, insidiously become a perfectionism addiction where you think everything you have to do has to become perfect. That can cause paralysis. That can cause you, I'm talking about analysis paralysis. That can cause you to not want to take risks or take steps or step into the unknown because it's all about the achievement. It's all about the finish line. This can lead to a life that's really not very harmonious. All kinds of data tells us right now,
Starting point is 01:19:45 and I've said this previously, that actually the brain produces more of dopamine, which is our joy chemical, our pleasure center, the pleasantness in our life. We produce more dopamine during the process of achieving something than when we actually get to the actual finish line of the achievement. Brain studies now show us that when you get to the end
Starting point is 01:20:05 and you get to the dopamine, it actually falls off the charts downwards once you get the achievement. And then you're left wondering, is this all there ever is? You know, is this as good as it's ever going to be? And if you do that enough times, you repeat this achievement addiction pattern. Once you actually get to the achievement, if you do,
Starting point is 01:20:22 and it's a very unhealthy way to get there, when you get there, it's not all it's cracked up to be. And eventually do and it's a very unhealthy way to get there. When you get there it's not all it's cracked up to be and eventually you and your brain go this just isn't worth it anymore and you stop the journey. You stop willing willing to do the work that you once did. You may need to ask yourself right now Are you really working like you were working when you were starving and hungry if you're no longer starving and hungry? Because there was something beautiful to those days where you didn't have any achievement wasn't there. In fact, in some strange ways, the hardest parts of my story of when my water was turned off and, you know, and we didn't have electricity in my house and cars were repo'd and I had a home going to foreclosure.
Starting point is 01:20:59 In some odd way, there was a happiness there that I don't even have now in my life because I was so enthralled in the process of my life. You know, some of the most happy people in the world are the most happy when they're just so involved in process. Why? Because process focus keeps you present. There's all this stuff in personal development. Be present, cause yourself to be in the present. Don't be in the past, don't be in the future. The truth is all there is, is the present. And when you're focused on something that's the work you love in your life, the actual work, the actual dedication to the process, you're fully present. The minute you take your focus to the
Starting point is 01:21:37 achievement, you're no longer present and you're focused in the future. This can lead to anxiety, worry, frustration, and addiction that's unhealthy. It can lead to sacrificing lots of other things in your life that matter on the way there. I'm not for a minute saying, don't bust your tail and do something great. That's don't misconstrue what I'm saying because I don't believe you can actually enjoy inaction and rest unless you know what it feels like to be completely active and busting it.
Starting point is 01:22:04 inaction and rest unless you know what it feels like to be completely active and busting it. For me, I only enjoy inactivity after massive spats in my life of full activity. Then and only then can you appreciate rest and enjoyment and unplugging. A life of being unplugged, a life of no process, a life of no achievements, a life of no expansion of your being is a wasted life. I'm talking about nuance here. What I'm saying is that you get so addicted to the achievements that you constantly delay your bliss and your happiness at the expense of other human beings in your life. And secondly, when you get there, you're waiting for all the dopamine then rather than
Starting point is 01:22:39 falling in love with what you do to get there. This is not a message about falling in love with the journey. Sure, that's part of it. I'm talking about falling in love with the process. And what's happened to a lot of people is they've become conditioned in their life. There's this conditioning that it's all about the achievement. Why is that? Because that's what we see. We see on ESPN, what do we see? We don't see the entire game of baseball or football or basketball, whatever the sport is. We don't see them practicing. We don't see them practicing. We don't see them lifting weights and stretching.
Starting point is 01:23:08 We don't even see most of the stuff that happens. We only see the highlight. We only see the home run. We only see the great catch. We only see the touchdown. Right? We only see the goal. We only see the dunk.
Starting point is 01:23:17 We only see the three pointer to win the game. And so we become highlight reel and achievement addicted thinking that's all that matters. Not only does your brain not work that way, your life won't work that way. And I worry sometimes in this space, this business personal development self-help space, that everything's pointed to the achievement and this becomes an unhealthy addiction
Starting point is 01:23:38 as opposed to addiction to the things that can be healthy in our lives. There's also this addiction to accumulation, that some of, if I can accumulate enough that some of I can accumulate enough things, if I can accumulate enough awards, if I can accumulate enough money, if I can accumulate enough cars, if I can accumulate enough conquests,
Starting point is 01:23:53 if it's a woman, accumulate enough men or a man, accumulate enough women, if I can accumulate a jet, I can accumulate things, but some of I can just accumulate a bunch of stuff, that somehow that's an achievement and I'm going to enjoy my life and feel better. And just remember this in your life, you cannot take it with you. You cannot take these things you accumulate with you,
Starting point is 01:24:19 but you can leave it here. And what I mean by that is somebody who's accumulated a lot of wealth in their life, I can tell you, and I want you to accumulate wealth. I want you to accumulate success. I want you to accumulate awards. I want that. But that should not be your obsession. Your obsession should be the work you do in the process, the people's lives you change
Starting point is 01:24:38 in the process. That you can leave here. See, the award, the money, the jet, the house, you can't take that with you. But the lives you change, the difference you make, the consciousness you shift, the difference you make in your own family by being the one, the difference you make in other people's families by the work you do in your business, your life, your good works, that you leave here. Life's about being in the full present moment, every moment you possibly can be. And then when you're no longer here physically,
Starting point is 01:25:10 you leave these things here and they reverberate into history, the ripple effect of the works you do. That's something that's blissful when you're addicted to it, but the actual achievement, not so much. And so I want you to really evaluate this idea of accumulating things in order to be happy As opposed to being focused on what you need to do to change other people's lives The other thing I want to share with you too
Starting point is 01:25:33 Is that one way to get out of this is to begin to compete? I like to almost like gamify my life where I'll compete for different things. I'll compete in the gym every day so it's not about how big's the bicep or how ripped are your abs or whatever your body fat might be or your weight or all that. That's an achievement. But to fall in love with the process of actually working out and actually competing to get stronger and faster. Competition is a great diversion from the unhealthiness of achievement addiction. And so I really want today for you just to sit back for a second and ask yourself, what does make me happy? Right? What does make me happy? And am I spending, am I thinking,
Starting point is 01:26:12 I'll spend 99% of my time kind of grinding, but when I get to that achievement, man, that's when all my happiness will happen. Or is there a better way to live? Can you actually fall in love and enjoy the day-to-day process, the ups and downs of your life? You know, I'm convinced in my life, I made a decision. I don't want a merry-go-round life. I want a roller coaster life. Most people will choose a life of the merry-go-round.
Starting point is 01:26:39 It just keeps going in the same circle. You get on that merry-go-round, you go about one time, you start seeing the same things, don't you? And it comes back around again, and you see it again, and you see it again, and you see it again. It's nice and calm and slow with that goofy music, and it just repeats itself in a circle very slowly. Little ups and downs as you just go in the circle and see the same things. That's a merry-go-round life. And if you're listening to me right now, you have decidedly chosen.
Starting point is 01:27:09 You do not want to live life on a merry-go-round. You've decided you want the roller coaster, the ups and the downs and the butterflies and your stomach goes all the way up, right? You know, it's woo and the scream and yay. And you're scared. That's the journey of life that produces the most bliss is actually the roller coaster life but I think too many people think I just want to get off the roller coaster right and get to the end of it and
Starting point is 01:27:35 achieved that I finished the ride and I'm telling you when you finish the ride that's when all the butterflies go away that's when all the joy goes away that's when all the bliss goes away the joy and when all the joy goes away. That's when all the bliss goes away. The joy and the bliss is in the ride. Even the ups that are going ch-ch-ch-ch-ch-ch-ch and you know it's coming, you do whoo all the way down, up and down. I don't want a life that avoids ups and downs.
Starting point is 01:27:58 I want the roller coaster, but I want to decide I'm going to enjoy the process of that ride. So you can make two choices. You can choose to get on the merry-go-round. And if you're listening to me, you don't want to be on the merry-go-round. If you're listening to me, you either chose consciously to live a life off of the merry-go-round like 99% of the people do. Same life, same pattern, same conversation, same vacations, same nothing. No growth, no experience, no memories, no joy, no life. That's 99% of people.
Starting point is 01:28:30 So if you're listening to me, either you've decided I want to get off the merry-go-round or you've gotten off of it. But the other mistake and choice you can make is this up and down thing. I just need to get to the end, to the finish line, to who rides over. And then you get off and you go, yeah, wasn't that awesome? Right. Wasn't that awesome? That's a mistake in choice. That's the achievement addiction.
Starting point is 01:28:49 The right addiction, I believe, is the nuanced one in the middle, which is to accept you've chosen a roller coaster life. And the people around you have chosen to be with you in your roller coaster life. And it's to make sure those people around you get what they need as you ride your dream and you ride your roller coaster. people around you get what they need as you ride your dream and you ride your roller coaster and that you get what you need, which is the bliss
Starting point is 01:29:09 and the happiness and the fulfillment and the contribution that comes with the day-to-day riding of that roller coaster in the process and not waiting for all of the joy for the end of the ride. And so please guard against achievement addiction in your life. And I'm really hopeful that today helped you really hear something you've never heard before and cause you to begin to think. Every week I'm producing content, I want you to begin to hear it when I'm doing these interviews through this idea that you're not here to just accumulate and accumulate and accumulate
Starting point is 01:29:39 because you can't take it with you. But you can leave the people that you help, the difference you make, the vibrational frequency you change, the consciousness you shift in your own family, in your own being and the lives of other people. You can leave that here. And I sure would appreciate it. And I know your family would and I know you will if that becomes your obsession and your addiction. What an honor it is to be with this gentleman here today and to share him with all of you. And it's an honor to have him today because I consider him on earth, one of if not the greatest expert on the brain, on the inner mechanics of the brain, mindset and peak performance.
Starting point is 01:30:16 So I know it's what all of you want to talk about. So I have John Asaroff here with me today. John, thanks for being here, brother. And it's so good to be here. And thank you for giving me the honor to be here with me today. John, thanks for being here, brother. And it's so good to be here and thank you for giving me the honor to be here with you. These are strategies that are real, that work, that we both do. So there's two prolific entrepreneurs who are now in this space that are saying, these are the things we do. And isn't it ironic that we both do them
Starting point is 01:30:41 and we're both addicted to them and we both attribute it to our success so please talk about that brother. So I have my vision boards and I actually have my exceptional life blueprint that I've created it's about 50 pages of my prayers my rituals for my spiritual growth health wealth my money story my inner mission my outer mission You know some of the stuff, you know either that I have or that I'm creating and so I create these visual representations to trigger the biggest part of my brain called the occipital lobe and to activate my memory center So I have vision boards for what I want to create. So I'm giving my brain the exact instructions so that not only it focuses helping me achieve that, but most people don't understand about vision boards or creating goals in writing that are specific is that your brain is a
Starting point is 01:31:38 deletion and distortion tool as well. So if you give your brain the instruction of this is the stuff that's important to me for health, God, spirituality, charity, fun, experiences, my children, my mother, my father, my son, whatever it is, and you say, this is what I want to trade my life for, delete and distort everything else. Now all of a sudden you're using your brain as a deletion of distortion organism in order to be able to help you hyper focus on what you want. So part one is get absolute clarity on what you want so your brain helps you eliminate what you don't want. Part one. Part two, right? Part two is I tend to be a goal seeking guy, right? And I used to not celebrate the small stuff.
Starting point is 01:32:27 And I used to just like, you know, fuck, bigger goal, bigger goal, bigger goal, more, bigger, bigger. And somebody says to me, like, are you gonna like slow down just to enjoy some of the stuff that you actually have done for yourself or for people in your family? And I was like, well, let me create an accomplished board. So good.
Starting point is 01:32:46 So good. So accomplished board. So accomplished board, you passed that test on your own 40 years ago. Celebrate that. You helped this person who was challenged and celebrate that. You know, you did this for him or for her or for yourself. Celebrate that stuff to remind yourself because I'm tough on myself like I'm like I'm let's come on let's go
Starting point is 01:33:11 it's a goal let's go and sometimes I forget the stuff that I have done the stuff that I do do that I need to remember so I create an accomplishment board and a list so I can just go to it when I feel like holy shit shit, am I smart enough to achieve that next thing? Am I good enough? What a lot of people don't know, Ed, is when I was a kid, I used to feel like I wasn't smart enough. And when I was a kid, it helped me back. And today, I still feel like I'm not smart enough. And that fuels me to get smarter. So I use it. I set big goals, I go, God, I don't have the skills, I don't have the knowledge, but I can figure it out. I've got contacts, I've got friends,
Starting point is 01:33:51 and there's books, there's Google, there's YouTube, there's holy mackerel. I don't need to have all the specialized knowledge anymore. So I have accomplished more, but also, you know, crap board is what conflicts are happening right now. I often say that there's only four things that are holding you back as a human being only four there's not 25 there's four that are the core one is if your vision and goal is bigger than your self image. Okay, so if you feel you deserve it, you can have this vision and goal and be excited about it motivated about it
Starting point is 01:34:26 You will not do what it takes to achieve one two if you have limiting beliefs If you have a vision goal, but you have a learning to believe that you're too young too old Whatever the case is your limited beliefs will drive your behavior three fear fear of being embarrassed ashamed ridiculed or judge You're a failure fear of disappointment and we'll talk about disappointment or fear of succeeding and failing again. Disappointment. Most, and then the fourth one, by the way, is you're lacking the knowledge and skill required. So that actually sets up a self-doubt trigger, which activates the Frankenstein brain, which causes you to lose motivation. But most people prefer to master disappointment and comfort zones instead of mastering change. So if I master disappointment, I know what I got. I just have to deal with
Starting point is 01:35:16 okay, this is what I got. And if I master my comfort zone, then at least this is the devil I know. Yes. Versus mastering change, and we know what's going on in our brain, we know what's happening neurologically, biologically, emotionally, physically, and all of that is a skill. It's just a skill. So why not just master change?
Starting point is 01:35:43 Why not become an adaptationist right now in the time that you need it the most in the world? Because if you don't, then you're just going to keep repeating the same patterns that are going to get reinforced and it makes it harder in three months, six months, and six years. So master change now and make that one of your core competencies and then you master your life. Oh my gosh. You guys, anybody familiar with my work know how much I love this man and how much we line up on these things. Similarly, I love the way that you phrase things. And guys, one thing about change, one of the reasons we hesitate to change as humans is it's an
Starting point is 01:36:19 energy depletion too. Humans kind of want to conserve energy, but guys, we love to gravitate towards what we're most familiar with. We create these patterns in our life and we repeat them over and over and over again. And if you're not conscious of what they are, if you don't create new ones, you're just repeating the same life in a different year over and over. And that script that John talked about, your script is the same as it was five years ago, 10 years ago, 20 years ago, with slightly different characters and slightly different dressings in the room.

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