The Fighter & The Kid - Brendan Schaub & Bryan Callen argue UFC's $335 Million Settlement | TFATK Ep. 977

Episode Date: March 22, 2024

Callen and Schaub debate the UFC's $335 million dollar settlement with 1200 fighters and talk TFATK live in LA, eating octopus, Tim Kennedy throwing a bull off a cliff, money actors and other pro sports athletes make vs UFC fighters, current events around the world and much more! V-Shred - https://sculptnation.com/fighterandkid True Classic - Upgrade your wardrobe and get up to 25% OFF @trueclassic at https://trueclassic.com/FIGHTER ! #trueclassicpod #sponsored JOYMODE - https://usejoymode.com/fighter or enter code: Fighter at checkout for 20% off your first order Fieldcraft Survival - https://fieldcraftsurvival.com/fighter Use code: Fighter20 for 20% OFF Training and Product

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One of the things about doing it a day after is there's always that fear that we don't have anything to talk about. But let's be honest, there's always something to talk about. We're a couple chatty Cathys. Couple chatty Cathys right now. Any news on the baby? Now I thought before you say give me the date, you have an obligation to Vancouver this weekend. I do have an obligation to Vancouver.

So hopefully the baby doesn't come Friday or Saturday. It's a situation where my wife's not moving a lot because if she moves a lot. It could come? Yes. So she's like, if you could, we can just hold on till Monday, but we have people at the house staying at the house in case there's a situation. Like family or just random people? Family. Family. Okay. I don't know. You know, so it's like, yeah, just randoms. Like I get this guy who's down to hang out with my wife. What's fucked up about? Hold on. Where I was going with that before you tell that story is you got to go to Vancouver and then I remind you yesterday, I'm like, well, remember

Bo, we got to be in Austin on Friday. And that's right. That's not happening. And I don't. That's so, so this is, I just assumed, you know, no, this is a very, I just assumed you were, you were just down for the cost. So this is, this is a very good, this is a very good segue because, you know, I, I just assumed you were just down for the cost. This is a very good segue because I make a lot of plans

and what you have to understand is that I keep my personal life and my entertainment life very separate on social media and stuff like that. I don't like showing my family and stuff like that. I'm a comedian. You do some though. Sometimes. But it's not that I'm I like to protect their privacy, right? And so um,

My my my dear friend tarik as you are dear friend tarik who is one of my I talk to him all the time Yeah And yesterday my wife is in the kitchen and she couldn't be more pregnant Like she couldn't be the baby is literally hanging couldn't be, the baby is literally hanging. Could you never, even with you and I, I mean we're like brothers. Yeah. Dude, she came to the dinner and I was like,

you're so pregnant. She's like, Brandon tell him, like, I found out like three days ago you were having a kid. Well, this is, so Tarek, I put the video on her and he goes, wait, what's going on? I go, what? And he goes, wait, what's, you're I go, what? He goes, wait, what's, you're pregnant. And I realized I hadn't told him.

You don't share anything. And then Frank Grillo hits me up and says, I don't think it's because you're private. I have to hear from my ex that you, that your wife is pregnant. I get that. That's what's going on. I just don't know about it.

It's not that you're private. You just don't even think about it. I don't talk about it. I just feel like a guy's not going to be, like if I say't even think about it. I don't talk about it. I just feel like a guy's not going to be, like if I say, my wife's pregnant, it's all good, but then we're moving on, you're not going to be asking me questions about it. It's not that interesting to you. No, it is, it's pretty important.

Well it's very important, but when I have the baby, we'll talk, but I don't know what else to say other than she's pregnant. But you've got to let people know in your life, for God's sakes. I agree, I have to let people know. I just. Like when I was like, dude, your wife is ready to pop, which if you're not gonna move Vancouver, we gotta. Well you said to me, she might have a baby, and I go, I can't go to Austin.

I can't go to Austin and do a live show. It was like a live show, one of you goes, oh shit, that's right, you could have the baby. I go. It's embarrassing. I go, here's the thing, yeah, it's just the way you're wired. You're not a bad guy, you're just a sociopath. But the thing is, you just don't think that way.

But I told Brian, I have three kids. Even if she has the baby on Tuesday, you don't want to leave on Friday. Like that's maybe seal butt camp. Yeah, I have to be there, the driver to the airport, I mean to the fucking hospital, I got to be there in the hospital, all all that stuff and it just doesn't seem real Like i'm gonna go on. Oh, you're so pregnant. You're gonna have this baby like I'm supposed to have it october I know she's supposed to have it April 14th can't control that april 14. That's why you don't yeah

So I wasn't planning on her having it don't work that way. I mean you've had this your fourth fucking child You know, it doesn't it doesn't give you a date. It never works that way. Right. But that's why I told Brian. It's like, even if it comes on Monday, Tuesday, you got to be there on Friday for sure. I love Austin. I love doing the show, but the birth is four times your life. I call Brandon. I was like, hey dude, I'm an idiot. I'm an idiot. Like my wife is popping. Now. I thought she'd have it a month from now, but she could have it at any minute. Even if you would have told, like you told me like a week ago and I didn't realize how pregnant she was till you came to the surprise birthday party. I was like, Oh my God. And I was like, Oh, that's interesting.

We're still doing Austin, but I didn't bring it up at the party. But even if I would have known, I'm like, Oh, let's push Austin to April, end of April. It makes sense. Like you shouldn't be in Vancouver. No, I'm taking all of April off. Yeah. And that was planned. I said, I'm not going anywhere for April

because I gotta be- We could do a live fire on a kid in LA, but there's no Austin in April. Yeah, I'm doing Brea in LA, but that's Friday, Saturday, April 19th to 20th. Yeah, that's fine. Yeah, that's fine. You're back home, she can figure it out. But to go like, to get on a plane and leave, you can't do it, but you know, four times in your life you have kids. Yeah, you got to be there. You got to be there. And she's such a troop,

she's such a badass, she's like, I got this. I'm like, no, no, no, you don't have this. You're not driving anywhere. You're not going anywhere. No, you don't want that, I got this. I'm like, no, no, no, you don't have this. I I'm not, you're not driving anywhere. You're not going. They don't want that, dude. No, no. So, uh, so we're going to reschedule Austin April, May, June, we'll do major, maybe guys. So we'll do a live finding the kid and help figure out a location LA for April. You know what I do? Bring your baby to the live show.

I'll bring my baby to life. Like the day it's born. There's nothing I enjoy more than playing with my two-year-old, nothing, just all day. I get home and I play with him for four hours. I get no work done. No. But to be fair, when Tiger was born, he was born that morning. So he was born at, what is that? He was born at 10 o'clock in the morning That night I did companion With you and road and Romans like you said I kill you like holy shit But my like she was at the hospital nothing was wrong. They'll the family and friends were there Like I wasn't planning go my wife's like name like there's something. What are you gonna do? Just stare at me

She's like go go have fun. I was on my way. I came right back I was on my way to do a podcast and my wife was like, like I was like, wait a minute. Oh no, you told us on yesterday. Yeah, I need to drive here. What are we doing here? What are we doing here? You know what I do too much of?

I think I drink too much coffee in the morning because I'm a little bit of a- I'll tell you if you do, how many do you drink? I have, well, I take a plunger. I have a big plunger. You have French press? Yep. And I'll put a large, a bunch of coffee in there and I'll have three cups of that coffee and then I'll, and then sometimes I'll go back in and make another.

Three cups isn't too crazy. Sometimes it'll be four. Three cups. I only do one. I do one and I do Magic Mind. Magic Mind keeps it going. And I, that's- You're not doing that.

I'm not doing Magic Mind. I have, I have a bunch of my fridge and I keep you don't use it I know I do one cup and I do as soon as I get out I get up at four I've been getting about four every single morning for Six weeks now and you got about what eight thirty nine? No nine sometimes nine thirty Yeah, but I have a four and I have that one cup and I'm good So four o'clock is an interesting hour because the people I know that study meditation, like you know, like heavy into Vedanta stuff, they all wake up, they say four, between 4 a.m.

and 6 a.m. is the magic hour that your brain is the softest and you get the most ideas or you're able to kind of go to different places. Interesting. Yeah, what are you doing for? What's the first thing you do when you wake up? Tend to your fish? How are your fish? No, the fish, no, the fish, they're sleeping.

They're sleeping. They're sleeping, because the lights for them don't turn on to about seven. Okay. So I make sure, and they're in the basement, so I don't turn on the lights. The fish are chilling. I don't get to them before, right before I leave,

I feed them. Are they thriving? Everyone's so big. The. I don't get to them before right before I leave and feed them. They're, they're, everyone's so big. The reason I don't talk about them, cause I, they're the same, I can't add more fish. Like I'm maxed out. It's crammed in there. The Iruanas are giants, the Oscars are big. Everybody's big. The Pacos, I didn't realize how big they get.

Everyone's fucking, like the size of dinner plates. Like I'm feeding them like, gah, like just fucking every morning. It's exhausting. You have to feed them every day. Every day, well them like, just fucking every morning. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's exhausting. You have to feed them every day. Well, no, I mean, they could go, you can do like, you can fast. But there's maintenance involved.

Oh, there's maintenance. Oh, I gotta clean the tanks and all that shit. Yeah, you gotta do all that. Yeah, but I love it. I sit down and drink my coffee, watch them, but you don't feed them, not yet. And then every now and then I do live feedings. So you- Little treat.

You feed your fish live fish. Yep, goldfish. That's dicey though, cause if, say the gold, you gotta get it, I go to aquarium city off Sherman Way, I've never had any issues. But when you do live fish, the downside to that is if all those goldfish, like someone has ick or some disease, and then you feed it to your big,

like trophy fish, they eat them, they all then you feed it to your big trophy fish, they eat them, they all die. So it's a huge risk. So I do it like once a month from a legit place. You gotta be super careful. I buy frozen. How do you know when a fish has ick? They have white spots all over them.

Fuckers. Or if you're gonna buy feeder fish, you see a lot of them dead at the bottom, something's going on, you just, like, I'm not gonna risk it. Like, you don't wanna buy anything from PetSmart, you know pet really shit That's it. That's it. Oh

Damn, you can't miss it. They have white all over them. Oh But I buy frozen us the silver dollar fish the long fish I buy a bag of frozen those then I'll fall them out the night before and toss them in there. That's really safe They're so big. I can't I'm max maxed out, daddy. You maxed out. There's no, I can't. Do you have an octopus? No. You want one?

You think you do. They're too smart. No, well, here's the problem. They're too smart and my guy Brian, like this fish that helps me with the tank, he's like, whenever anybody asks for an octopus, it's a terrible idea. He's like, cause they're the best hide-and-go-seek players

you're not gonna see him you're never gonna see him they're a great idea but they they fuck they hide most the time they come out at night when nobody's around and they live for one year I think and then they die no certain ones live a hot second is that right certain ones do let me see there's a fish there's a fish this guy tried to tell me five years three to five years giant Pacific octopus all right okay no one's owning a giant Pacific There's a fish this guy tried to sell me. Oh, five years, three to five years, trying Pacific octopus. All right. Okay. No one's owning a giant Pacific octopus, first of all.

Yeah. Yeah. But they are shapeshifters, dude. When you say they're smart, what do you mean by that? Like there's one dentist in, I think, Irvine, they had two tanks, big tanks, like size that wall, the octopus on this end, all these other colorful fish on that end, and they were missing fish every morning. Like, who the fuck's dealing with these fish?

So they set up cameras. When they shut the lights off, the octopus put the fucking door up to the fish tank, crawled out, went over to the other tank, ate a little midnight snack, then walked back over to his tank. They're brilliant. And they can feel. Like, if you're scared if you're gonna hurt them, they know. You should not eat calamari. ate a little midnight snack, then walked back over to his tank. They're brilliant. Not only that.

And they can feel. Like if you're scared if you're gonna hurt them, they know. Yes. They can read your face. You should not eat calamari. It's so fucked up. Nah, I love me some calamari. Calamari is an octopus. Squid.

Squid. Squid. All right. Also pig anus. But they can literally see you, and they know if you're angry or if you're threatening. There's a documentary on Netflix on octopus. You'll never, they're so dope. Oh, that's why I don't eat it anymore. They're so dope. My octopus teacher. Wow angry or if you're threatening. There's a documentary on Netflix on octopus. You'll never, like they're so dope.

That's why I don't eat it anymore. They're so dope. My octopus teacher. Yeah, they're great. I saw the whole thing and it just looked kind of shady. Well, that's cause you eat octopus. Whatever dude. Yeah, well, octopus is delicious.

No matter how you feel about the documentary, octopus are dope as shit. I mean, I don't eat fish, so I'm good. Anthony Bourdain. You don't like fish? No. Anthony Bourdain, he did an episode where he was in Sicily or wherever and they were going to catch octopus and eat them. So he's diving for octopus snorkeling.

And as they're shooting, he starts to see octopus just plunge into the water and just kind of lying there. And he's like, what's going on? And then he realizes these Italian guys have already killed octopus and they're just throwing them in the water. And he's like, he's like, hey man, did you say something?

You can see it on camera guys. Did you say something? Yes, he goes, I did. And he goes, all I want to do is just, just go drink all the alcohol and fucking quit everything. He's like, it took all the energy out of my body. So he comes over the octopus. He's like, yeah, yeah. And then you see him on the boat like this. I'm not talking about

He's like fuck this I fuck this show Fuck these people fuck octopus fuck it. It's all the energy out of his body. You just see goes Plunging he's like guys the camera like if you're gonna take me and he goes there are no octopus around here They just took me somewhere and they dropped me off and they're not even native there. They don't figure it out Yeah, what do you mean? I'm not gonna figure out the fucking thing is dead. It's been dead for a day That's hilarious when you go to Greece You see them on the dude You'll see them literally on the rocks beating the octopus against rocks for an hour

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I like it myself. It's just so fucked up. I agree. They're so smart. And for that matter, so is pig. Pig are so smart. And I just had pork loin. There you go.

I don't eat pig either. No. No, I'm not going to eat pig. I don't eat swine. It's interesting that the Abrahamic I don't eat swine. It's interesting that the Abrahamic religions warn you against swine and a lot of people say, well, that's because obviously you can't eat crows, you don't eat pigs. And the psycho, well, because they carry a disease. It might also be because they were smart. It might also be because they're fucking smart. Crows are insanely smart.

Yeah, they're basically like the dolphins of the sky. Like, would you eat a dolphin? They're smart as fuck. Killer, would you eat a killer whale? Smart as shit. They talk to each other. No way, never. And also, you don't need to.

Eat a stupid chicken. Eat a dumb ass cow. Eat a dumb chicken. Although I like a nice cow. Cows are cute, man. Cows are cute as fuck. Yeah, they're cute, but you gotta eat him. Oh dude. I know Oh, can I just tell you a quick story? So Tim Kennedy is out with my boy in in our boy

Joe Joe in New Zealand. Mm-hmm and There was a bull there was a baby bull that fell off a cliff into the water So the go far away or no, it's right on his property. He owns- But I'm saying, I know he's a billionaire, but he just fell like off a cliff. Yeah. So he's dead. Nope, he was alive.

He fell into the water. He's fine, totally fine. Oh, sick. So the woman who's the head rancher there, she comes running down to get it. The problem is the little bull is a, he's a bull. He's a bull. So he's feeling out his oats.

So he keeps charging her. He's got no horns, but now he's on the beach and they gotta get him back up on the pasture, but he's just like, no, you're not doing anything to me. And he's charging her. He's scared. He's scared. So Tim Kennedy comes down and he goes, give me a rope.

Tim grabs a rope, fashions a lasso, and my boy Joe goes, Tim lasso's the thing, the thing comes at him, Tim grabs it and hip throws it into the water. Just hip throws it into the water. And the thing goes, in the water. And then he grabs it and drags it out so it can't sit, and he makes it swim, and he side strokes it. He side strokes it to where it needs to be and then walks it up to the pasture. That's Tim. That's Tim

Okay, what that's Tim Kennedy? Oh, you got a baby bolt. Let me hip toss it. That's the last So he's like you didn't shoot him between the eyes. I know well Joe's like Joe's like are you like do you know? How do you know I just you know, yeah horse you want me to ride a horse? Yeah, he does whatever. He knows movement. He knows movement. Dude. How about the biggest news? I'm sure it's in chins current events. The UFC antitrust lawsuit got settled.

You remember when we did companion, you, me, Eddie. Yeah. I mean, it might be an Eddie, Joey and me and Rogan. I forget, but one of the companions I was telling about the, the antitrust lawsuit and I was on record and they're not not gonna settle these guys are looking for a change They're not gonna settle and then we get news today. They settled for three hundred thirty five million dollars This is a massive massive victory for the UFC and it's such a blow fighters or for the big UFC for the UFC No, no no awful for the fighters. Nothing changes. There's no Ali act. There's no, nothing's going to change.

But then also the UFC is fine. Even if they were to lost six billion, they're fine. Here's the issue. PFL rise in all these other leagues, Bellator, screw. Screw. Why? Because the monopoly carries on. Nobody compete with UFC.

If this would have changed and like, like this say it went to a trial And the fighters won it would change the course They have the boys where it would have the butterfly effect Yeah, so the UFC wouldn't have such a stronghold on the game So you would have the other organizations be able to thrive now all this does suppress everybody UFC just keeps getting bigger So a couple thoughts on that one is where's the 35? But in the UFC just keeps getting bigger. So a couple thoughts on that. One is, where's the $335 million go to?

The fighters. Now that's assuming that the lawyers were pro bono and doing it for the best interest of the fighters. Because that comes out to like whatever $137,000. So there's like 1,200 people in that lawsuit. So 1,200 fighters. So that's like around $279,000. And I'm in it.

Are you really? Yeah, no way Yeah, but then of course you have lawyer fees if they did charge them probably pro boner. It's probably Commission or something like that. We'll see. Yeah I'm not holding my breath. I think about my thing about the UFC being a monopoly is that the UFC is sort of the most exciting show in town in a lot of ways because of For a thousand factors, but first to the game how they've maintained it how they've grown it They're very smart idea of making the UFC the star not any particular fighter Etc etc. I don't know why that that doesn't allow the other

Organizations to compete there's still room for PFL right there's still room for all these others et cetera. I don't know why that, that doesn't allow the other organizations to compete. There's still room for PFL, right? There's still room for all these others. So what, why does it suppress them? I mean, this is such a larger conversation. It's, I'm with you. It's tough because I'm on both sides, right? As a, as a fighter, knowing how the hot dog is made and then also owning a business now, I get both sides. I'll get to your question. The biggest thing of this is the fighters need to realize this was their best shot.

The TV rights is at the end of the year. If they were going to do anything, they should have, you know, protest and not done any fights, these big pay reviews until they got their equal pay. That's not the clearest. They got to, yeah, which is a write off form too. It's hilarious. But, um, the fighters need a union. They need a union just like MLB and NFL NBA has. That's the only way they're ever going to make a change. This just makes things the exact same. They need a union, just like MLB and NFL, NBA has. That's the only way they're ever gonna make a change. This just makes things the exact same.

Now the argument to that is, okay, so if the UFC whatever paid how you think, and I don't know, I don't know their books, their financials, so if you think the UFC should pay fighters this much, I don't know if they can run a business like, I don't know, I don't know the books. So I speak on it, but I know certain guys like Tyson Pedro, who, you know, has an eight,

nine, 10 year career, whatever it was, is dead broke. That doesn't sit right with me. But again, if you go to Danny goes, well, he should have won more fights. You know, it's like, that's how you should have won more fights. But then, cause in the NFL, NBA, you know, like, yeah, score more points, you get more money. Win more fights, you get more money. But they have, they're compensated when they retire.

That's the difference. Like once you're done, you're done. So, so just to make an argument on that. But real quick, the fighters need to realize this was your best chance. You will never have another opportunity like this. So the, the lawsuit stuffs, it's clearly not going to work. This was your very, very best chance. You, in order to make any change, whatever that, I don't know what change they want.

I don't know what they're asking for. I don't know any of that information. You would have to unionize. You have to, you have to get Conor McGregor on board, Izzy, Strickland, the Sugar Shay, all the guys making all these, all the money that can make a difference would all have to be in on this and they're not because UFC smart. Now to argue that, okay, how's it going for boxing? Right. I was gonna say how's boxing you don't get the matchups you want. The guys that make the most money really don't fight each other because they're because they're fat and happy. Canelo just asked for 200 million to fight Benavides. So it's like, do you want to create these monsters? Or if you're Dana and you're running a basically a human cock fighting tournament, do you want to leave them hungry so they're fighting, giving you their best performances? My feeling is that

I'm a comic and I'm an actor. I have a union, but my union is not paying my bills. They fight for you though. UFC's don't have fighters. and I'm an actor. I have a union, but my union is not paying my bills. And- They fight for you though. You see, they don't have fighters. Yeah, okay. With Netflix they did, they made a change. I understand. What I'm trying to say is that,

let's just take stand up. I'm a stand up. I'm a stand up now. And if I don't put, it's all up to me. And I don't have any kind of a union. I don't have any kind of, I wouldn't want one. Nor should you though. No, but I'm saying that I'm comic and I know a lot of really funny talented people that are pretty close to broke now I make a living and I can do my thing but

I've been living in that world in Basically a world where it's all up to me my entire career my entire career I got lucky as an actor, but I can tell you that there are plenty of people in the union that have zero money, because you can get SAG minimum, which I promise you, I promise you try living in LA on that. You're not making any money, and I know people that make good money, but even when you're doing a series,

I was just talking about this today, you get a Netflix series. Cool, very cool. After taxes, after your agents, after all that stuff, come to me and talk to me. I promised you in Los Angeles, you are middle class if you're lucky, probably lower middle class, and that's that year.

People argue with me all the time, here's the difference. You can do standup from when you're 20 to when you're 80. I got it, I got it. You can act from whether you're seven years old, child actor, to you're fucking 80. Sure, sure. You can fight for maybe, if you're lucky, six years.

So here's my other question. Six years. So here's my other thing. The average career, ready, is a year and a half. Yeah. In the NFL, the average career is three years. Yeah, but. In the NBA, it's two years. Right, but so here's my other. The maxim I felt average career is three years. And the MBA it's two years.

But so here's my other. To maximize. But we know all this. But hold on, we don't though, people don't. The other thing is you've dedicated your entire life from the time you were a child to the time you're professional, 25 years. You have no other skills.

And then when that ends, you have to figure it out. That's the difference. That's also called life. Like in my that ends, you have to figure it out. That's the difference. That's also called life. Like in my opinion, you'd have to explain to me, and I totally sympathize with the fighters. I don't want fighters to be broke. But the hard question is, who says anybody owes you anything after you're done?

Who says anybody owes you any money in your entire life? You chose a career that we all know the chances of you making any money are almost zero, almost zero. We all know that that's never been different with fighters, boxing, MMA, anything. We just know that. So there are exceptions. We also know it's right.

So for instance, we know what's right, but hold on, hold on. Let's go to, let's go to your business. In the movies, how much money, let's say, how much money did the movie Fight Club make, Chin? Or you know what? Do this, even better. How much money did the last Mission Impossible make? One of the biggest franchises of all time. Yep. Bring up Mission Impossible.

So let's just use that number. What is that? A billion dollars? 1,327,000,000. How much did Tom Cruise make of that? A lot. But that's very simple to explain. I can tell you why.

No, but here's the difference. The NBA, they get TV rights. NFL get TV rights, they get 50%. In the UFC, it's 17%. Of that 17%, about 10% are the champions. I know. But you know why we go to Mission Impossible? Because of that guy.

Right? So here's the thing. But why do you go to the UC? Because of Conor. Conor made less than 10% of the UFC. Right? So here's the thing. But why do you go to the UC? Because of Conor. So Conor made less than 10% of the UFC. I understand. So to your point, Conor's the Tom Cruise of the UFC, correct?

He makes a fraction. That's the issue. Because they can pay him that. Tom Cruise, for whatever reason in poverty. Because there's a union. Because there's a union they fight for. I think it has less to do with the union. I disagree.

I think it has to do with the fact that Hollywood has been around so long. Yeah, Hollywood has been around a long time and market value kind of finds its way, right? It does. That's why I'm saying for my argument for Conor is his market value is undervalued for the UFC. 100%. His payment is not the same. So why is it okay for the UFC to undervalue their athletes?

Because they can. So that makes it right? Hollywood is exactly the same. It's not though. No it is. It's 100% the same. It's worse actually. Hollywood's worse.

Look at Friends. No, no, blah, blah, blah. It's worse because everybody else on that movie, everybody else on that movie is not making that money, right? Just like the UFC. That's what I'm saying. So the marketplace says Tom Cruise is worth this. Everybody else will get SAG and be happy to do it.

And some people might get a little more because Tom Cruise steps up for certain people or whatever it might be. But for the most part, Hollywood has never been any different. And you're always broke or you're always making very little. And if you do make money, it's for a couple of years. But that's how it is. But the difference is you can pursue acting for 50 years. That's right.

You can fight if you're lucky for five. Okay. But you, you, you better know that when you choose to be a fighter, right? Well, but, but again, that doesn't make it right. Because in every other aspect of life with in professional sports, because you're saying, you know, what you signed up for when you played in the NBA or in the NFL or college football, insert NASCAR, whatever, lacrosse, okay, cool.

But at the end of the day, the other businesses are given this much of the pot. UFC, even 2024, they've made more money than they've ever made. I think I'd say it's different. Are currently still playing. Yeah, it's a little different too, because you've got so many teams and you have a league.

You have a league. You have a union. With the fighter and the UFC. The UFC's a league. The UFC's a league. The UFC is really one show, right? They're not. It's one show.

No, because you just were praising them for being the one show in town. I wasn't praising them. Yeah, you were. You were saying how good they are. They dominate. Exactly. Exactly.

Everybody watches the UFC. Correct. We know the UFC. Everyone watches the NFL. I know. Do you think of the CFL? No. Exactly. You think watches the UFC. Correct. We know the UFC. Everyone watches the NFL. I know. Do you think of the CFL? No. Exactly.

You think of the UFC. That's my point. So fucking pay the fighters like the NFL does. Pay the fighters why? In other words. Because you have the money to do it. Every other major league, like you just said, they're the NFL. The UFC is the NFL of MMA, but they're not paying that way.

But they're making the money like they are. I would say this though. I would say. Is it not weird to you? They're the only major league that doesn't pay like they should? Sure, it does. But it's also called capitalism in my opinion. What happens is the UFC goes, so they'll take, just take any fighter who we like. A lot of times it's like, if that guy's not on that show, my viewership doesn't change even a tiny bit.

Now. That's not true. There are some people that do. That's not true at all. Yeah it is, 100% it is. No it's not. What do you mean? The views are awful if certain fighters aren't in the cut. No, no, no, there are certain fighters

like Justin Poirier who bring in viewers. And there are a lot of fighters that it wouldn't make a difference even a little bit if you changed them out because nobody knows their name. Correct, and the ratings show that. Right. And their budgets show that. Okay, but that's what I'm saying. Same with Tom Cruise. If Tom Cruise our brush guy or whatever. And their ratings show that. Right.

And their budgets show that. Okay. But that's what I'm saying. Same with Tom Cruise. If Tom Cruise isn't in that, that movie's not making money. Right. But that's what the UFC's dealing with. The UFC's going, I don't have that.

Why would I pay somebody who brings zero to the bottom line? Right? That makes me no money. Okay. So to your argument. Now I'll build you. No, no. Okay, cool.

So to your argument, so they should pay the guys what they're worth. So if Tom Cruz is bringing in a billion dollars to the movie theater, he should get compensated, right? If Conor McGregor made their company $2 billion, he should be compensated. The same as every other industry. You can say that. We're the only industry that's not compensated. You need a union. Is that not where DB? The only. It's not weird to me because that's always the way it's been.

And I think. But just because it's always the way it's been doesn't mean it's right. I'm not talking about right or wrong here. I'm talking about capitalism. I'm talking about marketplace dynamics. B2. Right. So give them the market value.

So if no one's made market value in the history of the UFC, not once ever market value. If no one's made market value in the history of the UFC, not once ever market value. I wonder though, because as UFC has now become a very popular sport worldwide, but it wasn't that way for a long time. Not close to, for example, like football. But I don't know what the numbers are now. What is the UFC now as a league in comparison to the NBA?

Top five, top five. Yeah. Major sport. I mean, they're, they're mainly known as like the fastest growing sport, like ever top sport. Yeah. See my, my feeling is also the most money they're never losing money. They're making more money. The fighters getting the same pay. Yeah. And because a UFC belt is the ultimate prize, anybody in PFL as a champion would trade that belt in

right now for a UFC belt, just because it's the most popular brand known. And I think it's on other fight leagues to figure out a way to compete with UFC. They can't. I mean. Is it on the CFL and WNBA to compete with NBA? Well, I don't know, but I mean.

But they can't. Okay, but. But they can't compete. Then there's one show in town, right? Yeah, so your argument's for me right now. Then there's one show in town, right? Yeah. So your argument's for me right now. So that's why Compensate the Gods. You're the one show in town.

That's the lawsuit. Well, so the lawsuit is we can't go anywhere else because we can't get the same eyeballs. We can't go anywhere because you've monopolized the industry. You're the one circus in town. We can't go anywhere else. But my issue- You have the best fighters, the best promotion, the best marketing. So pay us. So, and then the UFC says,

we do pay you and we pay you what we believe the market says you're worth. No, they don't. No, they go, we pay you what we want to. Not your market value. We're going to underpay you. Yeah. Look, I mean, this is why unions start. This just is. Now I have, I very much am skeptical in fact, that a union would necessarily pay people more. You might have a pension. You might have- You know, massive that be?

Of course. Sure. You know, massive that'd be? You might have a pension. Of course, sure. You know, massive that'd be? Or someone legit to argue for fighter rights and fighter pay and also not pressure to take short notice fights. Yeah. You know how massive that would be? It'd be big, but-

No, hold on. It would be everything. Yeah. So MLB's 50-50. So when you see the NBA, NFL, NBA, and MLB agree to this massive billion dollar deal, the players get 50% of that. When you hear the UFC announce they signed, it's going to be like a three, four billion

dollar deal with Netflix. The fighters get zero. Then not only that, they take money from your pocket. They take the money, the logos off your shorts, and then they put it in the octagon. Fighters see none of that. Yep. Zero, zilch.

It's fucked up. It's fucked up. But I'm just telling you, it ain't gonna change until, it's never gonna change until you got your unionized. But that would require, that would require everybody saying I'm not fighting. Here's my problem, yeah's saying I'm not fighting. Here's my problem, yeah, and I've always said that,

but it's not happening, trust me, we've tried to do that. That's why I'm saying, I understand. No, but here's the thing, when people go, that's always been like this. Okay, so there's no change? See, I'm just not surprised by, like I guess for me, I'm just different because I just look at it as, that is, that if you go into the business of fighting

I I wouldn't expect like if somebody said I'm gonna go into the business of fighting even if where there was a union I would go like this whoo, you know, like Mainly fighting no, no, you take you take my son goes down. I'm gonna go the NBA. I'm like Jesus Yeah, dad. I'm gonna act in no Jesus Christ. I'm gonna stand up Yeah, yeah, but I'm saying fighting anything fighting is a weird thing because you get hurt. You know, you just, you're hurting. Football. Yeah.

But I mean, all of it's a recipe, but, but my kid is a sick out. What you're, what you're explaining is outliers. All this is out. No, everyone's an outlier. Football is different because football, if he's really good, at least I know he's going to get like, if he plays for what is it, six years, he'll get a pension. If he's good enough, he might make... You know how hard that is?

Sure, but he might make some... There's a bigger chance of having, getting out of it with bad knees and something. You tell me you're going to be a fighter, I'm just going to go, you better be a champ. You better be real good. You better be Dustin Poirier or... Dustin Poirier is never a champ. I know that but you know I'm saying you better be Dustin Poirier or you better be fucking you know who but he's a good example of somebody who makes money you better be a champ or Dustin Poirier. You better be a champ or Dustin Poirier. Someone like that very rare very tough all of it all of it's tough so they should be compensated all of it's tough who so they should be compensated. All of it's tough. Who says they should be compensated is what I'm saying. The market value.

No, no, no. Because every other industry pays 50% at least. The UFC pays 17. So let's say they went up to 30%. Yeah, they've done a good job. It's still undervalued. I hate to say it, they've done a very good job of, this is not lost on them, they've done a very good job of making sure that none of us would ever miss anybody as long as the UFC exists. Goes back to them figuring out a way to make the UFC union proof.

UFC is the star, everybody else is expendable. I hate to say it. Everybody else is. And nobody wants to hear that. But the truth is, take your most popular You know what Conor McGregor has been out of the game for I don't know how long and the UFC has what grown There you go their biggest star Ron Rousey left biggest start It's grown the minute you get you know injured knocked out or whatever. We're on to the next and It's it's tough man. I mean, I'm just talking reality.

I'm speaking reality. But B, you're talking general reality with all sports. Nobody's bigger than the NBA. This is across the board in every organization. So why wouldn't the UFC come say it to guys like everybody else? The NBA is not based off stars. Yeah, but football and baseball are not.

Football's not based off stars. But you have franchise players, right? They come and go. They come and go, but they have one. LeBron James has been there forever. It doesn't matter. There's so many stars. There was Jordan. There was Kobe. Kobe died. Leake moves on.

The UFC moves on. Yeah, but I'm saying you've got guys there. You have franchise players that can stay there for 20 years. That can make a season, make a team for 5, 6 years. And stuff like that, that's all. So? You just don't have that in the UFC. Yeah, you do.

No. Doesn't poor A, Justin Gaethje, John Jones been fighting for 15 years. You have guys that fight for a long time? Again, John Jones has been out since he fought Cyril Gantt. Doesn't matter. Two years? It's growing, right?

So is the NFL. Yeah. Tom Brady retired, NFL's bigger than ever. Yeah. Messi comes over to America,. NFL is bigger than ever. Yeah. Messi comes over to America, primarily bigger than ever. Your point is across the board. So what would you,

so what would you, so a union would give fighters, what? Pension, healthcare, would they have? They don't have healthcare. They don't. No, only if you're fighting. Only if you're a current fighter.

You'd have someone to argue for you, but outside the managers who have no business being there, they have no degrees, they have no law degrees, 99% of them are just friends of the fighters negotiating against these savages of the UFC brass. They're never going to win. They're never never gonna win. They're never gonna win. So if you have a union that can hold them accountable and fight for their rights, not take short notice fights, not take stupid fights, you have someone fighting for you. No one's fighting for them.

And they're not being compensated. And there's nothing when you retire. I think I'm just, I spent so much of my career just being mostly broke or mostly not having a job and never having anything to rely on that I just, when I got in acting and comedy, I just knew that was the animal. And I feel like I'm going into fighting. It's almost like you've got to be planning for what's after fighting because the chances are you're never going to be champed up. Yeah.

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work for the boxers how does the union work out for boxers? They don't have a union. So it doesn't work out. Boxing is a disaster. It's the most corrupt sport in the world. It's the most corrupt sport in the world. And you have different divisions. And it's dying. You have different divisions, different leagues, essentially, and different promotions.

That's the problem. But you think that you don't have one centralized place to go, like an NBA, like NFL, like MLB. Same thing. How many boxers actually make money, right? I can count them on my hand. Actually being a UFC fighter, you probably have a better chance of making money, right?

You can fight more. So if you're like a guy like Marab, you can probably make more than a boxer. No, well, not if you're the number one contender in the world at boxing, you can make more money than Marab. Be the number one contender. Yeah, that's true. Guys, real quick though, the boxing does have the Muhammad Ali act. The Ali act.

So that's one thing. And also when it comes to healthcare, I remember a lot of, or a bunch of UFC fighters said that unless you can prove, they have healthcare if you prove that you got that injury during the fight, but outside of it, if it's camp or whatever they don't pay for. Yeah. I don't know if it's changed since, but that's what I remember. No, they do. They take care of you. Even if you're in camp and you get hurt, the PI center takes care of you. I'm saying when you retire. Oh no, no, definitely not when you're fighting.

You're taking care of it. If you and I were running the UFC, I'm just saying, I'm not saying this is a, I don't know what it's like to run the UFC. I don't know how. I don't know. But I'm saying, I'm saying, I am, there's nobody who would like to see fighters UFC. I don't know how. I don't know their books. But I'm saying, I am, there's nobody who would like to see fighters get compensated more and be taken care of than me.

Nobody, I mean, I get it. I get like the emotional impulses that I want all of them to be taken care of. I hate that they retire broken and forgotten and broke. I hate that shit. But I guess aside from a union, man, it's like, we're just, we could, we will be having this conversation forever. And I think the conversation is dead. I don't think it was like, I'm sick of talking about it. There's nothing. This

was their best shot. If the fighters aren't going to fight for it, why is everybody else for in this? They were asking for, uh, uh, some, some, some rules that would be put in place permanently. In this case, they just got money. There's a podcast with John S. Nash you should listen to. He goes through all of it. Way more FK. And they got nothing? Listen to Luke Thomas.

They got nothing but money. They didn't get... No changes are made. No changes, yeah. And why? Because the UFC argued convincingly that... I don't know. Well, they settled. So it didn't go to trial. So we don't know the argument. Because I think the fighters were worried that if it did go to trial, they'd get nothing.

So that 335 is better than nothing. Then I would say that's, that was a mistake. I would say that was a mistake. I would say that if you really want to make changes, you've got to take it to trial and risk it. If you, this is a fine, and this is a very affordable fine for the UFC. So with all due respect- They make that in a weekend.

With all due respect, man, there it is. Okay? So if you're gonna settle out of court, then that's on you. Yeah. I mean, yeah, this is their best shot, but as far as like the media taught, some journalists, they'll probably harp on it every now and then, but the way the UFC structures things like their new media, like this young milk boys and Nina, like they're never, it's not going to get brought up.

The younger generation has no clue. They just think, oh, everyone's Connor, Sugar Sean, O'Malley, and Sean Strickland. These guys are set. They're just not privy to it. And the old school journalists like Luke Thomas, Ariel, they'll talk about it, but they don't reach the younger generation.

So it's slowly, slowly gonna go to the back. But the real shitty thing, like the real insult to injury is that they're not allowed to have sponsors on their shorts that's the shittiest thing I've ever heard the UFC was like we'll take that too and that to me is where it's just like now if you had a union they won't do that rubbing salt in the union you wouldn't do that you won't do that they can't do that if you have a union the only they fight for it. The only thing, the only thing. Or they go, that's fine, but those logos you put on the mat and around the cage, we get 50%.

That's what a union, that's what they do in the NBA, NFL. Yeah, the thing that I would say is that there is a price to pay for this. There's always a reaction and there was always a price. And one of the prices may very well be, you'll see, is that really good athletes or people who have any sense at all, who have any option at all, just won't, won't fight because they'll realize that this is what it leads to. And if they can do any other sport, they will. Um, and that's, that might be why you see more Russians who have no other

options, you see people from other countries coming in. I have the other sports, but here's the thing too, is out of all the professional leagues, the UFC is the easiest to make, especially now. Now it's finding things are different. Now the, the, the barrier to get in, the entry to get in is so low. It is you guys with three fights, four fights, Dana White contenders, because they need, they've agreed fighters, They've agreed to so many Fights a year to please ESPN you have guys who are two and all three and all four who would never make it Do they have the ultimate fighter that they're signing guys from regional scenes?

So the beer of entry is so low now because they got to put fights on So if you want to be pro like all me if see fighters like cool unless you're like top 15 It doesn't mean too much these days back in the day. Yeah, I'm a UFC fighter, it's like, oh cool. Unless you're like top 15, it doesn't mean too much these days. Back in the day, I'm a UFC, holy shit, what? How'd you get to, I was a champion this, came from Bellator, came from Rising, came from Pride, came from, yeah, the other leagues.

And Alvarez, they were there for a hot second. Underground king, you know, so now you hear UFC, oh cool. You're on the undercard, oh well. You're not making money, you're not a second. Underground king. Yeah. You know, so now you hear UFC, oh cool. You're on the undercard? Oh well. You're not making money. You're not a star. Now the barrier of entry for the NBA, NFL, MLB is fucking impossible. Don't give me a star on F1 racing.

There's 12 of them in the world. So then the UFC, it's so much easier to say I'm a pro than any other league. So that's the other. See, I think that hurts the brand eventually. I think that there's- It hurts the fighters. It So that's the other. That hurts the brand eventually. I think that there's. It hurts the fighters. It doesn't hurt the UFC. Well, there's, yeah.

Yeah. Yeah, I don't know. I actually don't know. The barrier of entry is the easiest out of any league to be a professional. I think it's a bummer. It's a bummer. Yeah. It makes me sad for the fighters.

You know, it's a bummer. That's why I say. It's not surprising at all to me. This is why I always say, support the Jake Pauls for the fighters. You know, it's a bummer. That's why I say it's not surprising at all to me. This is why I always say support the Jake Paul's of the world. Support Woodley fighting Ben Askren, Nate Diaz, Jorge Masadol, Francis, if any fighter do anything, support their podcast, support their merch because they're doing that because they have to. Yeah.

Yeah, man. I mean, you know, it's a bummer and it's not surprising at all. And if you're going to settle out of court and not take it to trial, sometimes a trial can be, even if you lose a trial, it can be a PR win, you know, or it can be whatever it is. You got to just risk it. But if you're going to settle out of court, this is a fine. And it means nothing to the USC and business as usual.

This is a huge, I'm very surprised they settled. I really am. They may have been told, look, you're not going to win this. But apparently the guy that's behind this lawsuit, the Cunley lawsuit, was saying how happy they are. So maybe there's info coming out we don't know about that's going to change some things. I don't know. But if you settle, that means nothing's going to change. Hopefully. Yeah. I mean out we don't know about that's gonna change some things I don't know if you settle that means nothing's gonna change hopefully. Yeah, I mean, I don't know

Maybe they settled based on do we know if they settle on uncertain contingencies that the UFC have no clue I don't know enough about it. Let's but here's the other thing to defend Dana. It's also not his job. Remember He's a businessman So his number one goal is to make the UFC as big as possible, which he's done, make him the most money possible Which he's done and build stars. That's it. His job title is not to make sure the fighters are compensated It's not on Dana. No, it's not a make-a-wish situation. It's not on him. Just like it's not on Roger Goodell It's not on homeboy at NBA. It's not on the MLB guy. It's not on them They're they want the most money possible for the league,

just like Dana does. That's why the unions fight for the fighters, the baseball players, the football players, the NBA players. That's their job. But they don't have that. So all you have is one side of Dana, he's doing his job. But he's playing against the house.

He's always gonna win. There's nobody to combat that. So of course he's gonna win. Dana's doing his job, but he doesn't have an opponent. Every other league has an opponent that they even this out. Dana's playing against nobody and winning. And if you're the PFL, I guarantee you, the PFL wouldn't have bought Bellator for that much money

if they knew this lawsuit was gonna be settled. They're fucked. It's a matter of time. They're gonna implode. All the money spent for a friend. Why, why, why? Can't compete. This just means the UFC gets bigger.

Why can't they compete with the UFC? How? UFC has a monopoly. They sign everybody. Just have more exciting fighters, more exciting fights. I mean, you know. The exciting fighters are going to PFL. We just went over this.

You just said yourself that UFC is the NFL. Why would you go to PFL now? Well there are enough fighters in the world maybe. There's not. There's not. Name one league that's made it. Go ahead, I'll wait. Name one league that competes with the UFC.

Strike Force. Oh they bought the mountain to all their fighters. I know. Yeah, they went underwater. Who else? Affliction? Gone. What else you got?

Belt War? Gone. Pride, gone. Right, but at the same time, those fighters were making money for a while, and they had some notoriety. But the organization wasn't big. Right, oh it wasn't. No, that's why they went underwater. You can't compete. UFC soaks up everything.

But didn't they get bought by the UFC? They may have been making money, but the UFC went, we don't need this competition. No they weren't. No, that's why they sold. They're making money. Why would they sell? They're underwater. So UFC goes cool, we want your answer. Give us hard business to make money in

The hardest right the heart again. It's like again Okay So it's it's not on anybody's thing if the strike force couldn't make money Maybe fight leagues are not where you make money unless you're the USA. They're doing something with only ones that's figured it out Yeah, I guess I guess I'll wrap it up with this. In a lot of ways, you're right. And this is what I was trying to say in a way. It's not on the USA to do anything.

It's not their job. It's not their fucking job. Their job is to make as much money as possible. It's not their fucking job. No. It's on the fighters. That's right. And the lawyers.

And... Like you think Dennis was in Silver, David Silver, whatever the fuck his name is, or you think Roger Goodell at the NFL, you don't think he wishes there was no union? Of course he does. He doesn't want to deal with those fucks and argue all the time, make sure that it's 50-50.

So Dana's like, yeah, until they figure it out, I'm just going to keep doing my job, making the most money possible, paying them at least the money possible so we have the highest upside in signing TV deals. That's what we do, that's my job. My job is not to make sure they're compensated, just like Apple.

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Toes! Toes, and it's. Like the skeleton or the actual toe? No, no, like meaty toes. Oh, so it's freshly buried. Dude. It's the body of a man who's been missing for three weeks. Just toes sticking out of the ground.

Hey, also, murderer, serial killer, don't bury them in somebody's backyard. Yeah. God. Toes sticking out of the ground, according to the woman who's there. Toes, you had toes sticking out of the ground, dude. In Florida. That's like my neighbor in Venice.

They took up the house and these kind of wealthy dot com people. When they were jack hammering literally the walkway to the house, the walkway. You know, just a cute little cement walkway. To the door? The woman's body, you know, skeleton. Like, oh, wait a minute, this guy who owned that house

killed his wife. God, dog. No. And buried her so he could walk on her. Gangster. Yeah, gangster. Every day I walk over her body. Good morning.

That's a guy who hates, he hates his wife. And they were like, hey dude, and then the guy ended up. So what happens with the homeowners? Do they, can they get out of the deal or? No, it's a rental property they have. Yeah. Somebody rented it and buried him in the backyard.

Dig, dig deeper is the moral of the story or trim the person's toes. I don't know if I would give a shit if it was like Malibu property or like palisades. I'd be like, whatever. Now if it was like, if they're like, yeah, she was murdered in the house, like in your bedroom, that's a little, that's tough. Well, people get weird because I had, I bought a house that the person hung himself.

They have to tell you the- Yeah, but what they did is they tore the house down and they built a house on top of it. So they get away without telling you. The people in my house would hear, like my friend stayed there, my buddy goes, you know you got ghosts in your house. I was like, what do you mean?

He goes, I'm just telling you, you got ghosts in your house. Like I hear footsteps upstairs. But if you go off dead body, I mean, think about how many Native Americans were killed, like even on this property all over. So I don't know. People in general.

Yeah. Hotels, you know hotels, you've stayed, I promise you probably in a hotel, if you stay in hotels a lot, I promise you, you've stayed in a hotel room. Where someone, where unfortunately somebody, yeah. I would love to stay at the Cecil Hotel.

I was there. Okay. It was freaking weird. When'd you go, Chin? I was there near that time. When that girl put her, you know, was found in the water tank. Oh yeah. That whole thing. And I was by myself, it was for my birthday. her you know was found in the water Oh my that whole thing and I was by myself it was for my birthday I don't want to drive back and you know water had a weird taste you have people drinking dead body water

Yeah, but yeah, I think it's like No, see so it's up for sale. She ended up being disoriented. She just fell in the water tank Did they actually find out why she was no it's one of the biggest conspiracies. They don't know because on the water tank. Did they actually find out why she was in there? No, it's one of the biggest conspiracies. They don't know because she got off her medication and then they see like she's on an elevator and she keeps she's like scared. That was the scariest part. She's like scared but again they don't know if she's hallucinating luck she had bipolar. But the elevator doors didn't close. The elevator doors went closed she kept hitting the button and it wouldn't close and then when they find her in the water tower there's like a small asian girl the ability for her to break the lock and open.

It doesn't make sense or just lifting it. But then I think there was like something that happened later where they're like, there's a way to get in. But still, it's also her drowning. It would the things are like full of water. So you just float to the bottom. Do you think it's hard to drown yourself? So so it's like half full. And then she went under. It's all weird. It's it to drown yourself. So, so it was like half full and then she went under.

It's all weird. It's, it's never solved. Still hasn't been solved. There's a whole, there's a whole documentary on it. So Bill Maher came out and he said that he truly believes that people are now like self diagnosing themselves with mental issues. I agree.

But it's really just like life. Yes. And there's a video. Social media pushes this narrative and athletes push this narrative now. He actually at one point even blames like Elmo because I guess Elmo was on social media and was like, how's everybody doing?

And Bill's like, it's getting ridiculous now. Like saying something like it became a suicide hotline for people to just go respond there. I don't know if I agree with that, but. Yeah, it's also, it's just like, you know, I know people, there's some people with actual mental health issues and it's very tough. And then some people just use it as an excuse, you know?

But you get social capital now for sharing and being. Oh, you're so brave. So that's why people are coming out with it now. Same thing with some of this transgender movement, you know, like not all you are transgender, but you get social credit and you're so brave and you get eyeballs and views. So same thing, like you'll see athletes now come out with it all the time. At the end of the day, it's like, everyone has ups and downs. Yeah, correct. You know, it's like, you know, once they hear it, but it's like, oh, men in the fifties or in the nineties, you know, get, put your boots on, get to work. Yeah, man. You know, it's like you know what's it here but it's like oh men in the 50s or in the 90s

You know get put your boots on get to work. Yeah, man. Yeah. Yeah Well, when's the last time you like met someone who didn't say I have anxiety issues. I have ADHD I have you know, like well you life. Yeah, I have life problems. I don't say that, you know I may have depression or anxiety. I'm telling you I have the fucking issues like that. It's just, you have days, fuck off. I got bills to pay and kids, fuck off. Go fuck yourself. I invite it in sometimes. You gotta get to work.

Gotta get to work. I expect it, I fucking expect it. Yeah. So, LA Times came out and said there's a region of Southern California that wildlife authorities are like letting people know bears are waking up and they are hungry. Oh yeah, that's when they eat people. And this is when the idiots come out, right?

That want to pet a bear. Oh yeah dude, this is when they eat you. They will, so black bear, if a black bear attacks you, it's trying to eat you, fight like a motherfucker. If a grizzly bear wants to attack you, it's territorial, just play dead. Don't play dead with a black bear or a brown bear. That's a black bear, that's a brown bear right now. They changed their coat.

I just, yeah. Also, carry a gun and bear spray. Well, it's illegal to feed a bear. Makes sense. You should not, obviously. Yeah. Also, if you're feeding a bear. Well, it's illegal to feed a bear. Makes sense. We should not, obviously. Yeah. Also, if you're feeding a bear and you get eaten, it's also like Survive with the Fetish, you know?

Uh-huh. Like, their punishment came. Yeah. There's also that, you know? Okay, and what's the most anticipated follow-up movie ever? Beetlejuice 2, they finally released pictures of Michael Keaton.

I can't freaking wait. Oh, I cannot wait. And the girl from Wednesday is in it as well, right? She's my favorite. So she's Winona Ryder's daughter. Oh my God. And there's a little picture of her at the bottom here too.

She's really, let me see. She's such a good actress. That's actually, oh okay. Is that it? Yeah. And that's Winona Ryder, right? Yeah. Oh, Justin Theroux. Justin Theroux, the fashion dude. Oh, I write her right? Yeah, you know the throw Justin throw the fashion dude

Oh, I love him. Yeah, Jennifer Aniston's ex but yeah, he's like the Kanye West for white people fashion Yeah, he sets all Kanye West. What's there's that? There was a thing with Kanye. Well, let's finish this being we get to that but This is you Beetlejuice is one the only moves I remember as a kid like going to is that it was such a big deal My mom's favorite movie. It's still relevant still fucking good still holds up. It's timber and can't mess for me I'm a huge timber. It's my favorite But like what I was worried about is that they were gonna CGI this a little too much But it looks like just make William Defoe's in this. Whoa Willem Dafoe's in this? Whoa.

Willem Dafoe is awesome. Very exciting. Did they say when it's gonna come out? The date's out, it's in September I think. This year? Yeah. September 6th. September 6th. Won my face.

Buy your tickets in advance. How about Michael Keaton, the comeback kid? Comeback kid, went through a long time. Even his rise when he did Mr. Mom, before that he was gonna quit acting. What? Oh yeah, he went through. He was a comic first. Oh yeah.

Oh, I didn't know that. He's an improv guy. He's a slogging and slogging and then just killed it. He went away and then he did that movie, the Bird movie, whatever it is. Bird, yeah. Birdman or something? He won like an Oscar for that

and then he's back as Batman. Massive. I'll tell you what underrated movie he's in is The Other Guys. Oh yeah. He's hilarious. Captain Jean. He's so funny.

He's hilarious. He's so funny. Isn't he in White Noise too? That's a good horror movie. Oh yeah. Great horror movie. He's great. I do love Michael Keaton.

White Noise, that reminds me of my favorite movie as a kid I brought up for show and tell-tell frighteners Michael J. What? favorite top top five frighteners fantastic What else you got you? Let's do I will dress up for Beetlejuice. Wait, can we go to why Kanye West? What is he doing with his wife? He's just parading around All the time.

What is he doing? But people are, fans are saying that he's controlling her in that way, but she might just want to just do that, you know? Whatever. Oh yeah, a girl we've never heard of and then now she's famous as fuck. Also, if your girl has that body for marketing, we're all talking about it. It's brilliant. Yeah.

Like that's it, you noticed it. Yeah, if you just did a cover with him with a gold grail like new Kanye West You don't give a fuck. Yeah, but brilliant, but brilliant. What do you mean brilliant? We're all talking about marketing wise That's what he does Still we're talking about it doesn't mean it's just it's it's you know, so you know his anti Semitism and all that stuff. Yeah, all that stuff. He has the number one album in the world Yeah, but that's not that's not a thing to be that's not good that he is number one album. No world? Yeah, but that's not a thing to be, that's not good. That he is number one album?

No, it's not good. It's not good that he knows how to trend by being anti-Semitic or that he's... I'm not saying it is. That he uses people like his wife to do that. I'm not saying it is. I'm just saying it's working. But working in what sense?

What do you mean working? He's a billionaire. That doesn't mean shit, Brendan. That he's making money? No, it means nothing. It means zero. It is like saying, just because something works doesn't mean it should be in any way, in any way applauded.

It's bullshit behavior. I'm not applauding it. And it's a classic example of what's wrong with our culture. Hold on, hold on. I'm not applauding it, but if you're Kanye West's manager, you're not going to say, hey, don't do this. Jesus Christ. Right?

Well, okay, I could give a fuck about what a manager says. These are not criteria for how to live a life, a good life, in my opinion. I think it's just fucking, it's literally worshiping the wrong things. It's not good, but I- Bring up his wife. Let me see what the latest outfit is.

I just saw this thing on. What's her name? Bianca something? Yeah, I think the biggest issue is He's on Instagram now. He's wearing like an unsupportive top. Highlighting out all of our, it just goes back to everything that bums me out about my culture.

I mean, she shows a lot of ass and stuff. Like, there's this ass thing. Yeah, she's always naked. Now, she's a looker, I'll tell you that much. Your image. She is a looker. Yeah, it wouldn't work if she was a warlock. Yeah.

I mean, I'm a fan. But look, that's not attractive. Yeah. You think? No. It's sloppy. Uh, yeah. Okay, well.

No, I mean, I think he's just a very strange guy. She's literally this strange fashion piece that he is, like he's dressing her. It's like a doll. It's like an art piece he's parading around. But if she wants to do it, if she's like down to do it, then it's up to her.

She's an adult, right? You can do whatever you want. That's a hell of a booty. And boobs, like everything. And she looks just like Kim Kardashian, which is also kind of weird. Maybe better. I mean, very similar.

Yes. Yeah. Definitely similar. Yeah. I don't approve. I try. It just bums me out that he's a, it just bums me out that,

sometimes I look at American culture and I think of, I say the American lost. I just do. Maybe it just bums me out that we worship the wrong things. Who else do you have an issue with? I have an issue with spectacle. I have an issue with getting attention. I have an issue with a culture that rewards you for doing anything to get the lens on you.

So whatever you say, you can violate all the standards of common decency, whether it's in sportsmanship, whatever, and you get the attention and you make a lot of money. I don't think that's a reason to do anything. Just because something works is not the reason. I think with Connie, he's a little bit, because he's been relevant for 20 years

and his music's so good, like he's so talented. That's right. That's why he can get away with it. If his music was trash, this doesn't work. But because he's so talented. That's right. That's why I can get away with it. If his music was trash, this doesn't work But because he's so good at this it's like Sean Strickland some of the stuff He says whether you agree with or not, it's pretty you know, it's pretty rough, but he was a world champion So you're gonna put up with it with Kanye his music so good so massive. He's been around for 20 years Dominating the charts to put up with it. Yeah

So massive he's been around for 20 years dominating the charts. They're putting up with it. Yeah Whatever fuck all that anti-semitism fuck all that it's not no no one supports I get if that's their So not inspiring to me for you for sure his music. Yeah, he's really he was really good really good at music Like he's got he's a musical genius and people say some say the best of all sometimes He's just you know, sometimes weirdos and artists like that do other shit out there Dolly was Salvador Dali was a ghastly human being by all accounts and also if Kanye's doing this not really Meaning it, but he knows it'll get so much more attention So he doesn't necessarily have to be a real anti-semitist, but or whatever he's just gaming the system exactly so worse

If that's their goal though, that's whatever. He's just gaming the system. Exactly. Which is worse. If that's their goal though, that's their dream, their goal, then. Terrible. I just don't know which is worse, if he's actually anti-Semite. It's bad either way, obviously. I think it depends what his goals are.

You know, like I don't give a fuck what he does. He doesn't affect me. Popularity, money. I don't listen to his new albums. People like it, they love it. I don't give a fuck, but if his goal was, hey, I want to be the number one streaming artist in the world and be a billionaire, he's done it. They love it. I don't give a fuck but if his goal was hey I want to be the number one streaming artist in the world and be a billionaire. He's done it. Yeah, so that's yeah I'm pretty sure that's mission accomplished, you know

This is a quick one. So Kobe Bryant's parents I guess Kobe Bryant and his parents had a like somewhat of a tumultuous relationship when he was growing up because they actually Sold his like I think high school jerseys or whatever afterwards. Damn. After he died? No no no. While he was alive? This was alive yeah and he even tweeted about it saying like you know you give give give and they take take take or something like that. It was really ugly. Terrible people. And now they want to it's on his the ring that he gave his dad NBA championship championship ring. Yeah. He's now putting it on auction. And that was his first championship ring, he's gonna put it on auction? Are they like, I could understand if they're like dead broke,

can't afford the bills, like we don't know what else to do, man. We gotta sell something. Yeah, so he didn't have a very good relationship with his parents? No. I mean, it was off and on, but mostly tumultuous, I think. Yeah, interesting. You think your guy has that much anger and he had good parents? Probably not. And they didn't like him marrying his wife.

Vanessa, and then he was compared to his dad a lot, you know, and that was a big issue. His dad was a pro player too. Yeah. But then his dad ended up getting jealous of him, they said, because he was so much better than his dad, and it wasn't good. Sometimes parents suck. He was a tough guy to get to know. I've talked to guys who were on his team for a long time.

I worked with him. Oh, you did? Yeah. Yeah, he was a tough guy. He had really, he never hung out with any of his teammates. No. Ever, not once. Cause he was about business.

Yeah. Whenever he got to practice, like the room got quiet. Yep. Again, a lot of people wouldn't agree with that either. They worked. Yeah. It's very different. So different comparing him to the antics of Kanye West is totally different.

Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, chill. But it is, it's different. Whoa. Yeah. No shit. Once anti-Semitic, I'm just saying his way of going about things, most people wouldn't agree, but he's the best, one of the best players of all time. I wouldn't disagree with the way he did it.

He was such a winner that he was, like the thing about Kobe is that he would just, it was just math for him, he goes, I'm gonna put in three hours more than everybody else, or four hours more than everybody else, I'll always do that, so he was a monk. So no matter what, the guy made his team better, he was just like better, it's like, God help you if you were rooting against his team.

He just found a way to win every time, single-handedly, almost, it was like, what are you doing? Most teammates don't like him, they don't have a friend in the building But if you were a teammate he liked and like saw something if he saw you working hard would make you a better place Yes. Yeah, he he said to Jeremy Lynn He was like, I don't want to play with him on the I don't want to be on the court with him He didn't like him and so we kind of broke him

Carmella and him were friends off the court though, but they were closer. They were no he fucked Jeremy Lynn Carmelo Was I got a one on the teams getting too much attention? So that's why he bounced around even though he could play. Yep Hmm What so how was your experience with but but Jordan same way? Apparently Jordan was nightmare. Yeah, I loved I love extreme winners are like that. So she says she loved working I loved working with Kobe. Extreme winners are like that. So she says she loved working. I loved working with Kobe. Always, you know, super respectful, but you had to understand when you were dealing with him,

you weren't dealing with a normal basketball player. No. You were dealing with greatness. Yeah, oh yeah, like there was a level of respect, but he also had that for me, cause I worked Laker practices, I did locker room interviews. Yeah. So he had that mutual respect for me,

but I will tell you there was never anything worse than going into a locker room after the Lakers loss. Oh, I bet. Well, you know, with people like Kanye, with people like, you know, anybody like this, there's a form of madness that accompanies like people like this. Oh yeah. Like Kanye, you're not a genius without being a little crazy. No, they're not going to, well, also another reason they're not gonna fit in and they're

gonna ruffle feathers, they don't operate like we do, they don't think like we do. Like Elon Musk, outlier. Even Rogan, outlier. He's wired different than us. 100%. One of our best friends, but he's different than us. 100%. Completely different. Yep, you're right. In certain aspects, where we were like, whoa, we would... But it works for him?

Yeah. Where would it work for us but that's, it works for him. Yeah. Where would it work for us? Very true. And with the one common denominator and all this, they all have so much more money than us. So you can hate all you want. Success.

But you're going to Vancouver. You know what I'm saying? But I'm selling well in Vancouver, guys. I'm just, but you know. This Thursday, Friday, Saturday at the House of Comedy. You know what I'm saying? Like, sure. Yeah, you don't agree with it.

How's that worth the help for? I gotta start being a dick. You're gonna start coming to fucking, you are gonna start wearing the shit I pick out for you. Yeah, I'm gonna take some true classic, I'm gonna take some true classic. See those things, those true classic? I'm gonna cut those things real deep.

I'm gonna cut them in a triangle, and you're gonna wear them. I'm gonna get that ass out, and I'm gonna have your dick, three piece set tied up into a cinch. I think anyone, these outliers, they just move different. You know, people are like, oh, they're assholes or whatever.

You're gonna see your asshole. I think I would agree with you. Your asshole's gonna be on display. He's a billionaire, he's not about that. Your asshole's gonna be on display. It ain't right. Okay. That's not how I talk.

Hey, okay. That's not how I talk. Go ahead, go give Kanye some tips. No ain't right. Okay. That's not how I talk. Okay. That's not how I talk. Go ahead. Go give Kanye some tips. No, I stand by- Hey, no, no.

Stand by- Hey, call Kanye. Give him some marketing tips. I stand by a culture. I still stand by my talks about a culture that does anything to amplify their own monologue. That's gross. Now, speaking of comedy- Now, is that-

But that's content, right? Like, you'll do anything for eyeballs. No, no, no. I will not do anything for eyeballs. Well, I'm just saying you do a lot to get eyeballs. But I try to be funny. I've never tried to do anything that would be. No, you won't hurt anybody's, no.

I just don't like it, man. I can't do it. I would never do it. There's certain things I just would never do. And some people don't operate that way. But we're all like slaves to that promotion. Yeah. And some people do promotion.

You're your own promotion in this fucking business. Some people are willing to do whatever. So is Kanye. So is Kanye. So is people do promotion. You're your own promotion in this fucking business. So is Kanye. So is insert any person like they're their own slave to the promotion to sell whatever they're doing. Yeah. Like we're slaves to this machine. Yeah. Sometimes what makes people super successful may not be not everything in that person. Not everything that drives them to get to where they want as a noble is necessary. It comes from noble, big, no, for sure. Not decisions. Narcissism is very helpful. Yeah. Good. All right, kids, we did it again.

I'll see you this weekend. Braille improv, April 19 and 20. Uh, come get some. I thought you were taking April off, dude. Yeah, but I'm, that's, that's in brass, but you're in Oklahoma in April, too. were taking April off, dude. Yeah, but that's in Braille. But you're in Oklahoma in April, too. Oklahoma, April 26, 27, but I got that covered with family. Oh, gotcha. Yeah, a lot of family. Oklahoma City, Brick Town Comedy Club, I'm excited about that.

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