The Fighter & The Kid - Catching up with UFC Hall Of Famer Chael Sonnen on UFC 300 | TFATK Ep. 984

Episode Date: April 16, 2024

Chael Sonnen joins the the guys to discuss his UFC Hall Of Fame induction, they recap UFC 300 and talk what's next for Max Holloway and Alex Pereira, why the BMF title is a real title, Conor McGregor vs Michael Chandler officially announced, Ryan Garcia vs Devin Haney, Chael possibly taking on a Paul brother, current events around the world and much more! Lectric eBikes - Get your adventure started at https://lectricebikes.com/ And please mention that Fighter and the Kid sent you in the post-checkout survey! O'Reilly Auto Parts - https://oreillyauto.com/FIGHTER Progressive - https://www.progressive.com/ True Classic - Upgrade your wardrobe and get up to 25% OFF @trueclassic at https://trueclassic.com/FIGHTER ! #trueclassicpod #sponsored JOYMODE - https://usejoymode.com/fighter or enter code: Fighter at checkout for 20% off your first order

Yes we did, cause we back at it again, it's the fighter and the kid This is really the fighter and the kid Come on baby What's up buddy? We were just in here dude I know you get me We spent a lot of time here A lot of time here

We were just here on Saturday night A lot of fun too I came and I think you came tired and a little you know I was going to pull the cord bud Yeah Like cause I was at the Glen Helen Raceway with my son Some others doing some stuff up there. I left it's like a two-hour drive. I get there at 10 Now I was about rainy. I was there about 230

Yeah, I get you know a little later and I was like and I was watching the prelims are so good I'm like, which one am I gonna miss right? I was smart I was looking I'm like who's gonna take the kind of which was a decision I was like Al Joe's probably gonna wrestle him. It'll be that exciting. Although I'm a fan Yeah, so I left her in the Al Joe fight saw the rest of prelims be I was gonna yank the plug Yeah, and boy am I glad we did we had a good time. Oh, and I did you get my three grand? I did get it. Okay, because that was hard. I didn't have to remind you this time. But now I'm down $6,000 now. Yeah, you're my sugar daddy now when you see my Ford Lightning see these new carbon fiber parts

I'm gonna put built by Brian Callan. I built I paid for those. You're my sugar daddy. I know that hurt me You know most sugar babies get like watches and like cool purses. Yeah, not this sugar, baby like watches and like cool purses. Not this sugar baby. Fenders, bumpers. And daddy realized that I have to make about five and a half thousand dollars, six grand, to afford to pay you three grand. It's tax season too, Bubba.

And that's the problem. But when you get, see what I did there was I got emotional. I let my emotions and my belief in magic take precedence. No, not with Justin Gaye, you max. No, no, no, no, that was different. Are you talking about Alex Jamal Hill? Yeah. But I love when you go on those rants. Yep. I just let you go. Let me go. I love it. Like I'm talking about the edge of the pocket. Maybe he's got that magic guy. Oh no, but he's demeanor. Some guys just have it. I say things like Alex keeps his hands down. That's my favorite thing you do. Yeah. Dude, his hands are so low and then also his movement. The guy gets hit and then there's something about Jamal Hill, man. He has it.

When he gets in there, I'm like, oh. And in my head, I'm like, cha-ching, cha-ching, cha-ching, cha-ching. Yeah, that was bad. Not bad. A lot of people picked Jamal. You had the emotion for... I had Sarukian and you had the emotion for Alex. I don't bet on those Yeah, but that's also that's like that. That's a tough bet. Yeah could have gotten either way

If that was five rounds Charles beats them, that's the difference if Alex and Jamal Hill is five rounds or 20 rounds. It doesn't matter. He's gonna do that every time It doesn't matter if you know Max and Justin like that's how it goes Yeah, but with with with Charles and Armand,and like I said that the the problem with that fight is three rounds is not That's not the move with that caliber a fight for a title eliminate a fight should been five rounds Yeah, that's sways in Charles favorite now You know they gave Armand a title shot right after and he turned it down really

Why Mick Maynard went up to? shot right after and he turned it down. Really? Why? McMaynard went up to Armand Surukin's camp and him right after the fight. What? And we're like, we're gonna give you a fight, it's June 1st. To fight Markchev. Markchev.

That makes sense. That makes sense. Which part, turning it down or no? Turning it down. Do you not think so? Oh, why is that I'm gonna laugh that way hard in a lot. Hold on. Hold on. I mean Eating I'll take you've never watched the UFC. No, I'm gonna tell you why it's so fun for me

I feel like he don't want to do a repeat. Oh of a boring fight Oh, thank you for that. You gave me the gift that just keeps on you. Wait, you think, you think, stop it. You think that Sarukian should have taken the title fight. Oh, oh, this is good. Uh, yeah. Well.

Let me educate you. Now, if I'm Armin and I'm his team, how it should work is they should come to you and go, Hey, when would you like to fight Makshev? And you say, well, I'd like some time off. I don't want to do it right away. Let's do it in September so I can have some time off to do the camp. That's how it should work. But historically, when you turn down a title shot, you never get in it. And we know this, right? But he can build hype. In the game, we know this.

Hold on. He can build hype. Oh, really? What's he going to do? Again, historically, Bring up the lineup on 55. I'll tell you who he could fight that we'd all want to see. There are a lot of guys.

Oh, but see, you're already headed down that lane. Yeah. You're talking about fighting a lot of guys. Oh, but see, you're already headed down that lane. Yeah. You're talking about fighting a lot of guys. Well. So here's the thing. Will he get a title shot? Yes. Yes.

He's getting, now the UFC goes, oh, OK. We're going to make this very difficult now. What about Saruk? What about Dustin Poirier? Sarukian. What do you mean Dustin Poirier? Dustin Poirier is fighting for the title. Oh, hold on.

Ha, ha, ha, ha. Dude, what'd you take your funny pills today? Hey, you should do this act at the improv. Dustin fights Makachev. Hey, you should do this act at the improv. Hold on. Hey, because you didn't get the news that Dustin's fight Makachev. He fights- They announced that Saturday night.

That's a nice next title shot. Okay, but he fights Makachev. In June. And then doesn't it make sense for Sorokin to wait in the wings, take some time off. That's what I would do. Right? That's what we would do, right? So let Dustin and Makchev fight.

Makchev has the edge in that. Okay? Now you get some time and you fight. You do it your way, right? This would make sense. Oh, but you're saying that the UFC's not going to do that. Hold on, let me be. It doesn't work that way.

You beat Dana and I'm going to beat. No, we're talking like it should work. I'm going to be Sarukin, you beat Dana. Okay. All right, go ahead. Now watch. Mr. Sarukin. Yes.

Great performance. It should have been five rounds and you probably would have lost. Visual stuff. So you etched this by the hair of your teeth, but we would still like to offer you a ton of shot June 1st. No, because I want to see Dustin fight Makichev. He's my friend.

He's from Dagestan. So I will take winner from that one, please. Have a good day. Have a good night. Excuse me. Where are you going? I'm going to go watch the greatest fight of all time. I want to be. Justin Holloway, please. Have a good day. Have a good night. Excuse me. Where are you going? I'm going to go watch the greatest fight of all time. I want Justin Holloway.

You have yourself a good night. I want, I want to fight. What about Holloway? We'll be in contact. Oh no. And then it just goes silent. And then all of a sudden you're like, but I thought, and then you're like, Oh, I'm fighting at the Apex.

Hold on. I'm fighting at the Apex and it's Justin Gaethje in October How do you know that Sarukian was offered that title fight? Cuz he came out and said his manager said. Wow. Yeah, and then they said oh, you don't want this We're gonna give it to Dustin You thought I'd make that up? No I thought it might be a rumor

What did you eat this morning? Did they choose Dustin? They chose, they chose Sarukian over Dustin? Yeah. Why? Cause he beat Charles. Like they thought that was going to be one title fight. But then, and then remember Makhchov's team was like, no, we'll fight Dustin.

Bigger name, bigger fight. Like that's what they want. Yeah. So, and so Dustin wasn't going to get it, which is wild. Right. They're trying to be like, all right, well,'s what they want. And so Dustin wasn't gonna get it, which is wild. And they're trying to be like, all right, well, let's do this. Now remember, Dustin beat St. Denise, but then Dustin lost to Gagey.

Now Dustin's getting the title shot. It's just this crazy world we live in, dude. And you're still playing by the rules. Yeah. But we haven't played by the rules since 1993. Because what they're going to say is, Srukey is a beast, but he's a grinder and it's not as exciting. And especially the matchup against Makachev.

Wow. Grinder, grinder. Why would he do that? Why would who do that? Why would he turn it down? Sam Tripoli. Because he's doing the right thing going, oh, I just got done with the fight, dude. I just got done.

I've been in camp. Like, Markchuk's a big task. Don't give me a monster. But no, we need a monster. Markchuk's a monster. He's not afraid of the monster. He's fought him before, went to decision. But he's saying, I want the proper camp.

If I'm going to be champ, I need all cylinders firing. I'm making takes on short notice. When do they want him to fight it? June 1st. That's fucking obnoxious. Dim the rules, dude. That's an obvious title shot. You take it.

Cause you, even if you have one eye. Cut to nightmare. It's all a nightmare. So this is the rules though. I mean, June 1st, you know, it's a nightmare when you're at his level and you turn down a fight and then you don't get a title shot. You got to what? You have, but you got to strike with iron heart, hot, like it's strictly like a lot

of guys become champ this way. Look at, look at biz being like guys take short notice fights and it really works out. Yeah. I think that honestly, I think a guy like that goes, I'm depleted. Like I'm, I'm nursing half an injury. I can't suck this weight. It's a bitch. Every single fighter says that.

Every single one. That's so obnoxious though. Come on guys. Like you got to give him some time as a human being six weeks after coming right off, after coming off that fight camp with that, with that brutal weight cut. And by the way, uh, training like that, and you're going to give him, so he has no time go right back into training, right back in the camp. It's not like he was hurt.

It's not like he's hurt. I think the way it's just the camps that beat you up. Yeah. The way it gets not too bad for him. He's a super professional. We're going to give you your biggest test and especially your biggest wrestling test and you've already been down that road you know what that is Hey, here's what's cool little bitch. Here's what's cool. Don't do it. Okay. Hey, this is what the UFC does

Okay onto the next guy, but they're gonna he'll be in the wings. He'll get his shot. He'll get a shot Oh eventually get a shot. Yeah, you just gotta keep winning. I think it's smart to wait. I Mean when you're to fight the monster, sit in the, sit in the cut. You think they're going to give him somebody else in the meantime? Probably just engage you, I would imagine. Cause they really, they usually discipline you.

They do. But it worked out for our boy, uh, uh, DDP. Remember he turned down the fight with Izzy. You know, it still worked out for him. I think it's smart. Man, it only worked out because the injuries and timing, but it's rare. They were like, oh, oh, you don't want to do this? Okay. I think so. And then remember DDP I think it's smart. It only worked out because the injuries and timing, but it's rare. They're like, oh, oh, you don't want to do this?

Okay. I think, and then remember DDP too, he's champ, so it's different. Yes, but I think Sarukian might've looked at him and said, I just can't, right? Like I just physically can't right now. No, he could. The weight cut's not that big of a deal for him.

He's not a huge 50-fiver. So it's not like, you know, these other guys getting tons of weight. I just think he was like, no. Like I want to. I want to relax. And then I'm sure they're like, hey man, you might have to find another one. He's like, that's fine.

He's so gangster about it. He's like, yeah, cool. Give me Justin Gagey. Also builds his name bigger, fighting bigger star. So. Beast, what a beast. He's 27. But they were planning on him and then he turned it down.

They went, all right, let's have Dustin. And then at the press conference, they gave Dana like a crumpled piece of paper. like you're passing a note to a girl in fifth grade And he unraveled it and just ripped off all these dope fights Strickland Costa happen That's not one on that rant how they were I was like, oh fire paint this hill to die on right now, man It's gonna happen. They gave him a little bit more money. I'm sure and Then they announced Connor Chandler. That's gonna happen, huh?

more money, I'm sure. And then they announced Connor Chandler. That's going to happen. Huh? It was about our time. We knew that that wasn't, I wish I would've done a cool announcement, like a video during 300. I'm so happy for Chandler. Just waiting, waiting, waiting, waiting.

That's the fight. So she had his age, like experience like that. Just wait. It's a good payday. Strickland is a pretty big favorite over Apollo too. I saw. Is he? Yeah.

That's good fight for him we sent out the bat we sent out the bat signal to Chelsun and today the great chill he's now hopefully doesn't act different because he's a Hall of Famer now he's a Hall of Famer now he no he got inducted to the Hall of Fame now not just him though the reason he's in the Hall of fame is his fight against Anderson Silva was inducted to the hall of fame, not Chael Solo. So him and Anderson, their fight, that title fight where, which is weird, you know, they showed this huge

highlight and the shows and getting tapped out at the end. Either way though, that fight got inducted to the hall of fame, not just Chael. Great fight. But still he's in the hall of fame. I remember that fight. That's like, that's like MLB lending Pete Rose.

Such a cool, right? Yes. God, it was such a great fight. I just really quickly want to just say one thing. June 1st, Makachev fights Dustin Poirier, right? Is that what's going to happen? Yes. Okay.

That's not a lot of time off for Dustin, but I'm really excited. Good for Dustin. Once again, just amazing human being being for Dustin. He's taking no matter what he's been the game to and you'll get paid and it's all good Yeah, and especially where he's at like good. They could tell you tomorrow. You got to take it. Otherwise, she's never gonna total shot. Yeah Can you go back to this what people if you follow boxing at all? The one of the more exciting boxing, if you follow boxing at all, the, one of the more exciting boxing matches, if you follow it is Artur Betterbiev versus Dmitri Bevo. Big boy. Better than Dainey and Garcia this weekend. Monsters.

You know Devin Haney and Garcia fight this weekend. I'm looking forward to that. I'm not. You're not? Why? Cause Garcia's. I think Garcia has a very good chance. Hmm. I'll tell you why Bob. Oh cool Tell me you want to bet on it. He's he's taller daddy needs a new car. He's taller No doubt strong dirt so much stronger and you know Haney got wobbled. I know dude. He got wobbled by Our of the the who should be fighting at 125, right? Yep.

Um, what's his name? The greatest, um, uh, uh, Lomachenko. Thank you. Lomo. He got wobbled by a Lenaris. Lenaris wobbled. Oh my God. He's so good.

The Lenaris so fucking good. And both those guys are a lot shorter and smaller in some ways than our boy. So it's tank. So it's tank. Tank's a nightmare. Yeah, tank's smaller, shorter than Ryan. We can't. I know, you can't.

Tank's in a different. Throw that out. He's in a different level. He's greatness. Greatness. He's greatness. All day. You want to bet on it?

You got Haney over Ryan? Yes. And I love Ryan. Por que? How much? Por que, though. Why? I just, I don't. And I love Ryan. Por que? How much? Por que though, why? I just, I don't know.

I'm just going to go on. Because Haney's so god damn skilled. Haney's more skilled, there's no doubt, right? He's more skilled. All day. But Garcia could do it. I like where your head's at. Yes.

Yeah, daddy found a carbon fiber hood on Off-Road for $400. Oh, you want to take my money now? Yeah. Am I getting emotional about this? No, I think you're onto something. I like it. I like where your head's at.

Let's just do a thousand. I won't do it. I'll tell you why. You know what? Let's do five. I don't know where I don't know where Ryan's head's at. And I don't know what was going on with him before. Was that mushrooms?

What was happening with him? We don't know. Or we do know. But let's bet 500. You know what? Let's keep it simple. Bet 500. Nope, because you might know some things.

How about this? How about this? How about if Ryan Garcia wins, I give you 5,000. If Devin Haney wins, you give me 500. Wow. Do you like that bet? Wow. Now, my hood is 400 and it's local.

I'll pick it up. Nope, because here's the problem. You might know some things. I don't know anything. I promise. And I know that you're going to bet on or not because then I'll give you my breakdown. You're going to bet on it. I'm not going to bet on it.

Okay. Here's the thing. Even if Ryan didn't have these mental issues going on and he was focused on this fight, he's not skilled. He would never beat Devin Haney. It's not happening. It just, he's a complete nightmare of a matchup. So even if he was a hundred percent, it would not have, why is it just there couldn't be a worse matchup. Really? It's an awful matchup. Why just because that's at him at a hundred percent. Devin is that guy. Ryan, he's very talented. You know, he has some speed, some power. Devin Haney is a different animal.

Just a different animal. This fight won't be close, Brian. And I want to take you, I was willing to give you $10,000 for a 500. It won't be close. That was a stupid take. But I like this because it pays me money. It won't be.

There couldn't be a worse call. He's that good. He's that good, but you got to realize, that's if Ryan Garcia was 100%. It's a bad call. Ryan Garcia with what he's posting now. And I love Ryan. Ryan's a friend. Love Ryan.

This is an awful fight. Well, do we know what's going on with him? Nope. Is it head trauma? What's going on? No, it's not. I hate when people say that. No, it's not head trauma.

It's not head trauma. He's always suffered from certain things. He has. Oh, his entire life. Okay. Yeah. It's not CT. That's too much. That's too easy. Okay.

Oh, I'm sorry to hear that. Yeah. He was posting some weird stuff too. Chills here? The Hall of Famer is here? Oh my God. Hall of Famer. Bring him up.

It's just an honor. I get to speak to a Hall of Famer. Man, I want to take a break and I want to just get on my bike and I want to ride. Oh, and it's nice out, dude. You got the wind in your face. I want the wind in my face, dude, but I want the kind of bike. I want to just get on my bike and I want to ride. Oh, and it's nice out dude. You got the wind in your face. I want the wind in my face dude, but I want the kind of bike I don't have to pedal all the time. Oh, you're talking about that electric bike?

I know you eyeballed it out there. You've been eyeballing the one electric sent to me. We're talking about electric e-bikes dot com. Man, if you guys want the best e-bike that you've ever seen. I don't want to spend $5,000 dude. Dude, they started just $799 with the XP Lite. But is there financing? Is there any kind of like, can I do a payment plan?

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You look great. What similar shirts, man. I hear Brian, but I can't see him. Oh, I think he's, I think he's blocked. I see now. You'll see me soon, buddy. You'll see me soon. I did my hair for you.

I can't recording in progress. Chin's giant head is in the way. I cut my hair for you and everything. I mean, I'm, we're talking to a hall of fame or first of all, I know. Can you believe it? Dude, I was surprised you answered the call. Now you're in the hall of fame. So well deserved. So well deserved.

Congratulations. Number one, number two, watching you accept the accolades, that public embrace, which you so deserve and watch you probably get a little emotional. It made me love is even more as if that's possible, but you so deserve it, dude I really appreciate that. I you and brendan were the first ones I take that text that I sent you I mean that seconds after I got done. I grabbed my phone That was the first one because you're the ones that asked me about I don't know if you remember this But about two months ago, maybe less we had this conversation. Yes. Yes. Can I read it? remember this, but about two months ago, maybe less, we had this conversation.

Yes. Yes. Can I read it? Yeah. You're like, Hey, do you ever think you'll go in or something like that? And I did not the real truth. I didn't kind of wanted to, but now I probably would have been no. And anyway, so I was thinking to you guys, that was all. Well, we love it.

Was that, was that a, um, was, was that, um, Oh, hold on. Let me find it. Sorry. What was that sort of a surprise then you You knew you you knew when you went there You got you got accepted. No, so what tell you? short story Kind of long but I had done a voiceover for ESPN for the BMF belt and it was literally just a voiceover and what the belt Meant and you know how we got to Gaethje and and Max and so they told me said hey since you did the voiceover

We're gonna have you and Megan do the interview and Megan will leave you will every now and now I watch pay-per-views And I'll see her like before the third fight or something She'll go down and she'll say something some piece of inside information I saw the boys in the back earlier, and they look awfully loose whatever it is so I was gonna do it with her That was it so we go down and when I got there. I've got like the best seat in the house I mean the only one better than me is like where Rogan is sitting and it had my name on the chair and I thought wow For this little tiny piece they put my name on the chair So I sit down and then everybody was nice to me

Dana came over and Joe came over and Mick and Sean it was just everybody's treating me so nicely I never pieced it together in fact when I was up there The acoustics are kind of tough and they were fighting for the BMF, the baddest. And so Annex said something about the bad guy, but I thought like the bad guy belt and blah, blah, blah. I didn't know it was me. I even thought to myself, bad guy, that's what they used to call me. And then Megan O'Levy told me, she goes, you don't get it yet, do you?

I said, what's going on, Megan? She said, you're in the Hall of Fame. It was cool, man. It was a cool moment. So you, so that, I wish I'd known that you found out then right there. Every Hall of Fame or they do it every time they never give you a heads up. They invite you like like cowboy didn't know it's on the spot. And you you did look like a gangster you look like a gangster and here's what you texted us you go your mothers were wrong. Good things do happen to bad people.

And more for not cheaters to win. But you're not that guy. Yes they do. I know your mothers told you to don't cheat, cheaters never win. Yes they do. They often win. They win lots.

Jail, you didn't cheat. You're not a bad person. I know what you're saying. Yeah, no. Are you surprised, Joe? Because the analogy would be if, you know, and obviously we're boys, so I think you should have been in long ago, but the analogy would be if baseball led in Pete Rose, right? Because after the, because the Chale fight that they're showing, the Chale and Anderson

fight, you tested hot after that fight, and then that fight's in the Hall of Fame, which it deservingly should be there. I don't think it should be a factor, but were you surprised by that? Did you think that would factor into things you just wouldn't get in because of that? I think that's relevant. Like if somebody kept you out for, for failing a post for breaking the rules, like yes, that would seem to me to be very reasonable I think I would be unobjective if I couldn't see that and so um and and there's different wings too by the way like there's a way that this the person goes in and this is like a fight goes in so it's it's a little bit of a of a sidestep but it was still

a cool moment right you get the jacket and you go up there and Brandon think about it from this perspective like we never have lost anything and then you get praised for it. Like that's just not how it works. I mean, that's the moment that has, that's kept me up. That is the moment I'll sit up and I'm soaking wet. You know, I just need those 90 seconds back. And so nothing's changed.

I still didn't beat him, but now all of a sudden it's cool. I don't like this conversation. I don't like this where it's going. I, this, no, no, no, no, I feel totally different about it. I don't like this conversation. I don't like this where it's going. No, no, no, no. I disagree with all of it. In fact, I even want to edit out what you texted because it's taking away from who you are as a person and what you were able to do to this sport,

which was have an impact. And that had nothing to do with anything other than your personality, your spirit and your indomitable will to find a way to be the signal through the noise. We've had how many fighters in this, in this game and you remain relevant. You've continued to be a positive impact in this sport in about 50 different ways and most of all, and especially as a fighter. So I'm sorry, but yeah, you put yourself in there and you fought the greatest

in many ways as ever and almost beat him. For my money, as I was watching that, I was reminded of how insanely exciting that sport was and you, you were the first real trash talker in a lot of ways. I mean, the first guy where all of us went, this mother of a, where people who didn't follow MMA were like, this guy is saying things like, I'm a Republican, I'm never on my back, I don't let guys get between my legs.

We as dudes were like, when I met you, I didn't even know who you were, I was actually a little afraid. I was a grown man and I went, hey, I'm a fan. And you looked at me, we were at Metamoros and you went, Chael Sonnen, you got good taste. And I was like, God, that guy's so cool. All of us felt that way about Chael Sonnen.

Chael, to your defense too. So let's not diminish the sheen that is well deserved here. Fuck all that. No one's diminishing at all. It has to be, you can't bring Chael on and avoid that topic. Yeah, that's fine. You can't be, you can't bring Chael on and avoid that topic. Yeah, that's fine. You can't. You're right.

But the other argument to Chael is if we want to go through who's tested hot for PEDs and go back in the day, I'm sorry, from, until USADA started, all the way back, nobody's getting in. It was just part of the sport. Nobody's getting in. It's literally part, it was no different than, you know, a mouthpiece.

It was literally part of the game. Yeah, it was part of the game. Yeah, that's all it is. I mean, that's getting it. It's literally part, it was no different than, you know, a mouthpiece. It was literally part of the game. Yeah, it's part of the game. Yeah, that's all it is. I mean, that's a fact. It was very cultural. There was a, you know, that one was interesting. So testosterone was legal. I just, just to go back, but this is for fun, not to redo something, but testosterone was

legal. It was right there in the rules in California and you had to disclose it. Now the reason I point that out in Nevada, by example, where testosterone is also legal, you had to preemptively have a therapeutic use exemption. California did not have that. You had to disclose it. So I only tell you that because I tested positive for illegal substance and I became the face of TRT and other guys started using it.

They started abusing it. I mean, that's all athletes start to abuse, right? It's one of these situations that house of cards comes tumbling down. They pulled the whole thing. But when they hit me in California, that wasn't right. I had that signed and dated. Brendan, you'll know about this. When you go to the weigh-ins, there's a check, they check your skin and get the pulse out.

Sometimes there's an eye exam. They asked you right there, you'd taken any medications and then it's two weeks or whatever, whatever they put down. I wrote testosterone. It was the only thing I wrote down. Testosterone, when I wrote Ambien, it was legal. I mean, it was signed off by the doctor and executive director. When I go in for my hearing, I bring that. It's all that I have. I go, here's your rule. This is signed by him, the executive director. They go. Yes, that's true But don't you agree that that is a performance enhancer. I see that's the whole reason I took it I would have never taken it

It was supposed to enhance my performance and I felt like it did like that. Yes, I do agree to that It was one of these weird things. So they got we're gonna give you six months is he no No, this isn't traffic court. There is no six months. It's a two year ban or it's no ban. I did not break your rule. And moving forward, they allowed guys to do what I did as long as you disclosed it. I remember everyone got exemptions.

Everyone I trained with, I tried getting one, they denied me, but everyone I knew had an exemption. Yep. So that's what you want people to know. Depending on the state you were in. Right. Yes, depending on the state. But let's go to what did you feel when you were looking out there?

Because I remember, man, you've done some things that get me tugging my emotional heartstrings when they said, if your dad was still here, what would you say? And you said, I tried. And you started kind of choking up. And it was so awesome, man. It was just I saw your whole relationship. I, it to me, it kind of encapsulated what sports are about in a lot of ways, father son bonding, I just took my son to wrestling yesterday. It's such a it for me, it's like, it's the whole deal. So and just kind of a man who has arrived in a way, what a moment to look out and get that applause and to realize in a lot of ways, man,

it's very few people, very rare air to get there. What- It's the rarest, but I also think too, as a trail fit, like he has a huge fan base, I think for most of it, yeah, of course. Yeah, of course. Like I was in surprise, I'm like, I didn't even think about it, I was like, yeah, of course.

Yeah, it's news to me that you just found that out. I'm sorry that I'm that ignorant about it. But can you tell us? Well, you guys are all being around you guys. You guys always lift me and I really appreciate that. But Brian, it is exactly what you thought. So, you know, they told me I'm going to do this interview and I'd seen Megan do it before. She does it. She like stands on the apron of the octagon where the ring card girls hold up the thing. That's where Megan does these pieces. so when they brought us down cage side everything was fine but they brought us the exact way that the fighters walked and so you know their fans are cheering and whatnot and I remember walking through it I got a straight face I haven't earned that adoration but I was

thinking I never in my life thought I would get to make this walk again this is pretty cool that was just an added bonus is the way they got us to the cage was the same walk that the fighters did and uh, yeah, so then when they said and they played it up on the big screen and Yeah, man, it was it really was something very cool I didn't know it was gonna make me high and excited like I couldn't even sleep the night that it happened I had a red eye out the next morning. I was fired up. I was waking my wife I'm like, come on, let's go we gotta go baby. So cool I'm just telling you I didn't know I would have that reaction, but yeah, it was cool

I mean how often in life does anybody tell you good job? How often do you ever get recognized? It's amazing. Think about this jail not only not only do they acknowledge you not only do they acknowledge you they acknowledge you on the Biggest night in UFC history at UFC 300 so just think the magnitude of that They decide not only to do it but do it at 300 and then when you think of you know The bad guy you also got to think of that night Like to me what Max Holloway did is the greatest knockout in UFC history, you know So it's like you have that on the books you have Alex doing his thing You have this stack card and then you get in the Hall of Fame. I mean, it's insane. Yeah. Yeah

Oh, I feel like that my wife had said the same thing like hey that was kind of special that they made you part of it And yeah, man, it was it was cool I was I was leaving you were the first one to like texted and Glenn Jacobs at ESPN said something to me How'd you feel? How was that or something? I said, I hope because it was a surprise. So I said, I hope my mom's watching I don't think my mom's watching and she wasn't my mom missed it But she went back and she went back and bought it just so she could see those two minutes. Love it. Yeah, man That's incredible. But let's get down the nitty-gritty. You'll see 300 your takeaways What do you think of the car did deliver like you thought it would did you have expectations? Oh

Like I thought I don't even I can't believe that they keep me around giving an analysis I apparently I know nothing about the sport like here Let me give you an example from the first time they set that octagon up in Mobile, Alabama in 1993 We started to learn the importance of grappling and that was really never called into question Even if you had a one-off this is for the hardcore fans But Maurice Smith over Mark Coleman even if you have a one-off we went right back To understand how important grappling was and I was a wrestler. My classmates didn't treat me special. Nobody did. I didn't know that I was walking around with a devastating skill until Dan Severn in 1994 went in and made the

finals against Hoist Gracie. So my point is how much we've learned. And we really did start to understand, you know, it was a prerequisite. You must have an ability to grapple. And all of a sudden along comes a guy named Israel Adesanya and Adesanya did it the other way. He had the striking and not much grappling, but he was a good athlete and was willing to learn. And that inspired Alex Piera. And I think I would throw Francis into that same category, just

cause he liked boxing. Surreal gone got to an interim championship and he came from a kickboxing background. All of a sudden, guys, how the tables have turned. And I look at Alex Piera. That's an amateur. He is an amateur's record. He's done it 12 times now. He's only done it eight in the octagon.

But within those eight, he's captured two world titles and he's beaten five world champions. And if I was to tell you that Alex Pierre, who's never had a wrestling match, he's never had a grappling match, he has not a black belt, is the greatest two have ever done it, you would roll your eyes. But if he became champ, champ, champ, and he is the first person ever that could actually do it, where we stand, yeah, he actually might be able to, if he he did that we're not having the conversation on who the goat is We will just refer to him as the goat and I refer to a guy who what we thought we knew back in

1993 he breaks all these rules and we have to stand back and say and you're the goat he might be That's a that's a taller order though. We I think with with with respect and with the exception of someone like Glover I don't have we seen him, you know, very quiet about it? You're missing the point, B. You're missing the point. The point is that he was able to capture the middleweight title, the heavyweight title, and he's the only guy in the history of the sport since 1993 when it started. He's the only guy who's even going to have the chance to

be the heavyweight champion. So the three time champion. I mean, Brian, think of how great George St. Pierre is, but he won 70, 185, but none of us thought he could go up to 205. It was John Jones at that time, just for example, or Daniel Corbain when he gets the heavyweight and the light heavyweight, but we knew he couldn't make the weight class of 185. It's one of those things where a guy can only go so far. Even Harris and who don't want to try and try his hand with Volkanovsky.

And I think we're all in the greens of how that would have worked out. Alex, he really does want the Tom fight. That wasn't just like, you know, he's high on adrenaline. He tried to get the Tom fight at 300. Remember when he was putting out that, that cryptic equation, you know, it's a tough three plus 30 equals 300. Yeah. He really would do it.

And he'd be the first person where we'd stand back and I am not saying I think he really would do it and he'd be the first person where we'd stand back and I'm not saying I think he could beat Tom, but he'd be the first person we go, yeah, give him a shot. He might be able to beat him. That's uh, that's great. Yeah, that would be the one fight I would definitely have to with all due respect take Aspinall for a lot of reason. No, we all would be. You're missing the point. He's the only like Tom Aspinall can't go to 205. Tom Aspinall can't go to 85.

It's impossible. I understand. Alex is the only guy that, even the matchup's tough. With zero body, percent body fat, with dick skin on his tummy, he's that tight, he's 236. So this is a giant man. He's a giant ant man with ass for days And he just looks like he's carved out of fucking stone. He looks like Stonehenge came to life

He really does but what we're dealing with is it's it's so rare and I don't think people understand Not only what Alex is doing will never see again I don't think and we got to stop and smell the roses like what Alex has achieved in this short amount of time and Possibly at heavyweight is absolutely insane. Then also what happened to Max Holloway on the card, you got to realize where he's at in his career. And now he's in rarefied air where his next fight, he can call the shots. He's at the Connor level.

He's at the Diaz level. He did that off this BMF title where I didn't even take the BMF title serious till now. It was just a thing, but now once Max got ahold of it and the way he won the title, dude, it's insane. I, I, I'm still going back to, I'm going to be a pain because I, I, I, of course, Alex Pierre is an amazing human being and an amazing fighter. We still have not seen him with anybody. Like even to see him with uncle I have, for example, who everybody's

worried about just to see how he would deal with a wrestler who could put them on his back, yawn, yawn, took him down and he still, yeah, he, that's the thing yawns no slouch. Yawns, yawn can grapple. Yeah. Yawn can grapple. Yawns huge. Yawns heavy.

He's very big. So you can say you want to know who looked really good guys. You want to know who looked really good and he lost lost but raychik that Alexander raychik came back He looked great. And by the way, I think he could have maybe stolen number one contendership from uncle I have I suppose we'll never know but I think if he would have won raychik Was beating pro-hoc the one round they had completed so I'm praising pro-hoc as well But I don't think the pro-hoc is gonna go back into a rematch with Piera So I think that uncle I have likely does find that shot and there would be a little bit of a disappointment there

I'd be right. I mean, it's a very different thing uncle. I is a little more reserved I like to have some fun in the division. Yeah, see what happens. Yeah Yeah, if I'm the UFC included the UFC's kind of aligned with me We're doing whatever we can to throw some speed bumps in Ankleyev's way. So, and this is why I like what Alex is doing. He's like, I'll go to heavyweight. I'll go to heavyweight.

Ankleyev, you fight, insert, tough matchup. Get him out of the way. Give him some speed bumps. Because let's say Ankleyev's your champ, we're missing one of the top five biggest stars in the UFC. We can't sell him. You don't want to see him grind it out. You don't want to see Ankleyev kind of get top five biggest stars in the UFC. We can't sell it. You don't want to see him grind it out. You don't want to see Uncle I have kind of get him grind.

We can't sell it. We can't sell it. And you take out a massive star. So I'm tossing some speed bumps. Brendan, if you were to guess, I mean, Bo Nicol was on the main card for a reason. And I don't know if that's just a shine up because he's good. I don't know about that. I mean, it's kind of hard to bring him in from the biggest mismatch, 25 to that's never happened for the biggest mismatch into a top 10. I think that's a stretch

So what are they gonna do with them? Everyone wants to see? Chum I of but they follow those right? I mean I just said what do you do with them? What was the point of putting them there? I'll tell you what they do and I was talking about this on the shop show I think what's going on with Bo nickel I'm all about bringing a guy up slow and building him and stuff like that But he's done that he's done that was he have three four fights now. He did on the contender series He's beyond that now when you get to a guy like Brundage that he fought right Cody Brundage when you get it to a guy like that

He's had he's a seasoned vet in the UFC as ten fights when you get to that level It's 2024 everyone's pretty damn good. Like that, that, that Brundage wasn't going to be a cake walk. So I think if you're going to put them up there with these seasoned vets, just give them a top 15 guy. Cause I'd at Bo Nichols level, I'd rather see him struggle against a Strickland or Paul Cost or Whitaker. He's, he's not going to ram through and walk through everybody at this point. Now that he's fighting vets in 2024, everyone's pretty fucking good, man.

So why keep this build going? All right, we know he's talented. Let's get him against some better guys. The better guys are going to give him more of a fight, but have him ranked. Because if he fought a ranked guy and had this performance, we're all like, yeah, Bo is the next guy. Bo is the man. But because you gave him a tough guy who's not ranked that nobody knows everyone goes

oh Bo no he's not that good so I think they're doing a disservice if you're gonna put them on on 300 give them a name because you're giving them a tough test anyway and I see it the same way I make the match you can make when you can make the match I don't understand why do you got a bunch of guys under contract and then you're afraid to match them up if they're not ranked. I mean there's other numbers. Give an example. The rankings room has never been disclosed to us. For a while we thought it was a computer kind of like the BCS. Now we found out that it's people and they get together

and they submit by 9 a.m. on Tuesdays. It's a little bit weird but there's other numbers. I don't believe the people in the ranking room think they know 15 people that can beat Bo. They just won't rank Bo until he beats somebody in the top 15 it's like well right off the bat that's a little bit weird and secondly we got other numbers such as he's 6 and oh how about look we look at how many rounds he has lost which is none we look at how many fights he has lost which is done like there's other ways to start doing some of these matchups but yeah I don't get it I do not get the concept of we've got all these guys under contract but we can only make these guys together and these guys

together. Says who? Make the match you want to make! Who would you give a nickel? To that point too, it actually does Bo a disservice by you not ranking him which we know he's one of the top 15 in the freaking world. By you not ranking him, it's going to be tough for anybody in the top 10 to accept a fight with Bo because they're going, no, why he's not even ranked. But if they rank them 10, now those guys, 11 through 15 or nine, eight, and seven are going to accept the fight. But if there's no number next to his name, everyone's like, no.

But isn't it possible that they're looking at Bo as this diamond in the rough who simply just does need more time in MMA, especially striking so that we don't have a flu. Because when they were crashing like that together, he and Cody, you could see a situation where someone like Brundage could have thrown something, caught him. Anybody can get caught when you're clashing like two rams like that. And you saw that in the beginning. But to your point, anybody can do that.

So have them do it against ranked named guys. Don't have them do it against Brundage, who has the skills. But again, the point to me was, if you're gonna put them on there, put them against a name everybody knows. We know it's gonna be tough for them. From here on out, everyone's gonna give them a fight.

He's not gonna cakewalk like it was the Contender Series. So give them people we know. Yeah. fight. He's not gonna cakewalk like it was the contender sir right so give them people we know yeah Yeah, yeah, that's good Just it seems as though right it seems as though. I've never really seen anybody build I I know promoters love to use that term I'm gonna braille them I'm gonna bring them on along slow And then you do it as soon as it works And he turns the gun on you and wants more money or you lost track of your contract anyway

And he's only got one left and now you can't use them for the fight I mean it just feels weird like if you come to the UFC you got to know how to fight it's just not the place you come for experience and sometimes you do I get that can't can't only had a couple of fights and BJ Penn debuted in the UFC like there is exceptions but they also weren't protected they got thrown right in the deep and man if you're here you're here if we got to look out for it then you're not supposed to be here.

Oof. Yeah. No, but Chael's right. Like when, that's why I think managers and fighters need to realize, once you get to the UFC and this Ed Soros told me this a long time ago, once you're in the UFC, you should accept every single fight. And if you, if you, if they call you and the, it's a bad matchup that's on you, you're not ready for the UFC. So you should, once you sign,

that'd be like going to the NFL, be like, man, this Pittsburgh Steelers defense really good. I'm just not ready. Because if you're drafted into the NFL, we assume you can play at the NFL. That's how good the UFC is. There is a difference. You're right.

You're 100% right. If you are in that rare air called the UFC, you got to be ready for whatever is thrown at you. That's a good point. And that's why I'm saying other numbers for Bo do support. Like his ranking's not there, but he's beaten UFC guys. Like we all just said it's true, he's beaten UFC guys. And Matt, he's played all the UFC guys.

As a matter of fact, he's never lost a round to these UFC guys. So I mean, he fits in the mix somewhere. But Ryan, I think you were starting to ask me, my dream match for Bo. Somebody else suggested Kamara Usman. and just because of their wrestling background, that interests me. That's not necessarily the one I want to see. I'm just letting you know that's floating around and Kamara seems a little more willing to do things right now. Chamayev, I mean, Chamayev's the fight for whatever reason. Those guys are about the same age. They got the same record of undefeated. They both came on with a splash. Chamayevev's the fight. And Chumayev started to speak up on him.

Chumayev said, I don't care, give me the kid. He said it over. Chumayev said he does not care and I believe him. And Bo's been calling out since he was even officially signed to the UFC. He came on, he did a food truck diary. I was like, who would you like to fight first fight? He's like, Hamzat.

I was like, whoa. And he's like, tell me where he beats me. I'm like, holy shit, this kid's for real. Yeah. And there's a beef there. I'm not does acknowledge him. I think there's that I'd like to see him for Strickland as well I think Strickland's a fun fight Weird dynamic there's a lot of things they can do with them. Yeah, and they well I guarantee you after this He starts getting some tough fights. Yeah, it's trickling is such an anti wrestler You know Strickland seem like the one that probably would have most likely called him out. Just, I don't care about rank. I want you. I'm sick of hearing about it. But Sean is now,

he's taken up for himself a little different than he used to. And I think he has the right. I think that Sean Strickland has done some really wonderful things. And if he wants to speak up on his own behalf just a little bit, I think he's right to do that. He did this a week ago and he did it publicly, which generally backfires. He won. They sat him down. They said we agree with you way We looked at some numbers and got that worked out and yeah I don't know man. Whoever would have thought Sean Strickland was gonna be a culture warrior I mean, we all thought he'd be canceled by now. Yeah, John not Sean's got a seat at the table

I want to go back to both for two seconds if you're When when Bo to solve that wrestling problem, there are guys that can obviously stand and bang with him, uh, cause they're, they're, they're actually better at, at, at, you know, striking. But when you are, when you are dealing with Bo nickel and that wrestling problem and you as a wrestler, well, I'd like to know, are you T if you're cornering a guy like Strickland in camp, are you saying, never let him close his hands and stand up, stand up, stand up. That's all you can do.

Work on your takedown defense. And if he takes down, stand right up, stand right up, stand right up. Is that the only thing you can do with a guy like this? How do you, how do you deal with that? That crazy wrestling? I love that fear that you just said. I actually have a philosophy that if you're, if you're trying to be the anti wrestler, uh, you can give him real problems on his feet.

You can learn about side wizards and underhooks and get your hips under control or you can scramble when you hit the mat. And I just tell you that because if you put all your focus into one of those, you would succeed at one of them. And if you put all your focus into both of those plus take downs yourself, you're not going to get that, that good. And we had a guy named Matt Horwich and you can take Matt down anytime you want if you guys remember him But when you hit the mat he would do Brendan. It was the same defense every time he straight army

He called the Heisman the way they would block in football. He would straight Paul me on your head create distance He's soaking wet slippery and he'd be right back out and as a wrestler It was a lot of energy to take him down. If I can't keep him there and get a couple of good breaths in, it's not worth it. And I mean, he wore out more wrestlers. He beat three NCAA All-Americans, but he wore them out. They would take him down.

He would straight, it was the same standup. But yeah, Brian, to your point, I don't think you need the perfect guard and the rubber guard, and I think you just need one of those. And I think that Pierre would support me in that, by the way. I mean, that is not a masterful grappler, but he's got two, three things that he does and he can do them to everybody.

That seems the only thing you do, right? You just work on being an anti-wrestler and don't let him, you know, Connor did that for a while against Khabib. Iacuenta, who's a D1 wrestler, not a very good thing, but I remember I Aquenta just kept stopping that takedown. He just didn't let Khabib take them down and people forget that. But, but also like Connor was really good at not letting Khabib at least for the first two rounds, close his hands.

But I mean, you give him some credit for it. I mean, it's not after a while it's Khabib. He did the best. He did the best. Yeah. Jail. What would you do next with, uh, Max Holloway now that he's coming off? Oh, but I think the best knockout of all time. I Have a different opinion and maybe this is off of never being a champion. I don't know

But when I look at these guys, I mean, I love the world championships But I hold the Olympic Games to a higher standard Why because they come along every four years and And my only point being, I like all the champions. I like the interim champions. Some guys don't. I don't care what word comes in front of champion. If you want to say featherweight or heavyweight, it doesn't matter to me. It's champion. BMF champion is meaningful. Brendan, you get participation just so you know, Dana, that is an actual belt. When Dana has a contract with ESPN to bring them X amount of title matches, he can bring them the BMF just so you know,

and it satisfies the contract. I mean, I'm letting you know, like it's actually a title. Wait, hold on, Chael, to interrupt you there, but Max came out and said, you know, obviously he goes, you guys have been marking our fight, the BMF title, like it's a real title fight I should get pay preview points that was max's words so I don't think you're getting paid like a championship fight and max is wrong Justin did because you have to defend it

see Masvaldo never figured this out Masvaldo could never figure out why they didn't have him defend it that's why they didn't have him defend it didn't it brings you in on the participation points so Justin was treated like a champion and the only thing that was off and this is a little bit off they they they got the pound allowance and that I can't explain they had the five rounds they had the title they had the every everything that a title had except they got the pound so I'm just the way that your mind works in case you want to know that yeah but it's a very big deal because Max Holloway was the odd man out.

Max Holloway had nowhere to go. He was clearly the number one contender. We can't put him in there with Volk again. In fact, their third fight was the most lopsided. It's the only one that even got stopped and had absolutely no controversy. What are you going to do with them? So then they built a pori up. The only way they'd ever build a contender up with max there Which is to keep them away from Holloway everybody else runs into Holloway. He beats them were stuck in the same spot They kept the Pory away from him. He was the odd man out to the point

I just want to remind you guys Nobody asked to see max versus Gagey correct max didn't ask for it Gagey and asked for the fans that asked for it The UFC was a little bit desperate with the way the card was going and they put those guys together So we don't care what we do with maxes. We don't have anything we can do with them at 45 He went from the odd man out. That's all the though all those backhand I was just trying to prove that point to tell you he is now the most sought-after Yeah I mean I understand that Dustin is gonna go against Islam but had not not been done

Islam would have been going for max max had the deported business and my whole contention and thank you for listening to that is I think max is wrong. I think he needs to understand he now has a title. He doesn't have any any beef with Toporia. He can stay right there at 155. He can stay right there in a Fed. I mean let me give you guys a spare and this one's just for fun not a prediction but Max has only called one guy out in his entire career. That's Connor. He keeps saying he wants that rematch with Connor. I want the rematch with Connor. Imagine Connor beats Chandler and Max still has the belt and says I'll put it up there's your rematch and Connor would take that for the bmf a lot of moving parts there I'm just suggesting for you the power of that title. Let me ask you this Joe if if Max were to fight Topperia, say in the next four months, and let's say he were to lose,

does the BMF title automatically go vacate? Does he lose that? So is it only at 55? So he could still fight Topperia, lose, and then fight Connor at 55 for the BMF title? He could do that, or he could return to 45. See, this is where it gets very interesting. And these aren't chills rules This was tested. Uh

George Monsbell had the belt when fought tomorrow. So they decided they're gonna fight for tomorrow's belt Okay, fine tomorrow wins, but George keeps the belt George goes into Colby fight as the BMF champion But it was just it was just a box. You got to check with the Commission. They did not check it So therefore it was not a title fight Oh, wow, George wasn't paid participation because the belt wasn't up. He wasn't defending but Colby wasn't Eligible to win it. So max that's what I'm saying If I'm to pour in I'm gonna find max great put your belt up if I'm putting mine up then you put yours up I would make a big deal about that, but that's cuz I like those belts

I think they mean something to watch max act like this isn't even real Justin kind of that same attitude it's like guys you are the feature match of 300 this is the people's main event without that belt you're not yeah we needed that belt coming in going out of it we understand how great it was but coming in we needed that belt and for some reason those guys aren't showing it the same respect and I think it's a miss I think that Max is in very high demand it can do a number of different things. He's a champion. I think he forgets that. Yeah.

Yeah, that's a good point. But I also think no one's explained it to them like you are. Like I was under the impression that, you know, it's this kind of thing the UFC came up marketing wise. So the casuals go, Oh, a belt. They don't know BMF light light heavyweight, middleweight. They see a belt on the line, they think world championship fight.

So I figured as a marketing employee by the UFC, I never really took the belt that serious. Like, all right, it's just something they're tossing on to hype the fight. But then when I saw Max and the way Max fought and just I'm like, all right, now I respect the belt. Forget calling it BMF belt, call it the Max Holloway belt. Like now he embodies exactly what that is

You know so now I'm all on board for it, but the way you're explaining it I don't think anybody's explained it to max Justin or Jorge like that Masbron never figured if he's listening now This is the first time Masbron never figured out why they weren't having him defend it and that's so funny It is it is a very big deal and Justin would like it max and talk to Justin go Hey, she'll just said is that true? Did you get participation on 300? He'll tell him yes Yeah, but you see that's the key you you've got to put it up like let's just say guys just for fun Let's say max goes in fights to poria and it's for to porias belt max does not get participation

You get participation to defend. So Max has, this is what Masbrot never understood. Max has to insist. He needs to go to the meeting. He needs to bring it to the press conference. He needs to put it up. That's for the belt. They'll make it for the belt, but you have to, you have to understand the interworks and the politics to get to that point. It's very interesting, but it's a real tie. That's all my contention is. This is a real title and Max should be very proud. That was a historic night and he won a title. Come on, man. How many, how many of those do you get?

And I think what makes it more legit of a title is you're getting paid like it's a title. And that's what guys are understanding. I think guys who put a lot more weight into the BMFL title or BMF title, if they realize that they can get paid like a champion, they just, I didn't realize it. Max, I'm sure doesn't. Justin did it. Jorge did it. So that's, that's interesting. I wonder if Max, yeah, guys like Max as they get older, it gets real hard to suck down, back down 45. 55 felt so good. It looked so much better on him. Do you think that that that that weight cut is a significant thing now that he's older?

And is he gonna stay at 55 as a result? And that's the whole thing. He kept talking like he had to go after Topor. Even in his interviews leading up to this, Max was very clear, I'm gonna beat Justin, and then I'm gonna go back. And that was his spell, that was the one that he lost. And I understood that from a competitive background

when it was Volkonovsky It's not Volkonovsky. He's got no grievance with the party now. He can go out and create one. That's fine If you're competitive guy, I'm just saying he's got no grievance with it. Let him go have his run Toporia needs max guys. Let me tell you how much to party these maximum to porous excellent. He's undefeated He's handsome as hell. He's like the Brendan Schaub of 145. But guess what? He got nobody to fight. He has nobody to fight to the point that a 35 pounder from Arizona named O'Malley called him out.

And everybody stood back and goes, well, I don't have a better idea. Like we're not going to do that, but we're not going to say no because we don't have a better idea. He needs Max. And Brian, I love what you're saying. Stay at 155, have a few more calories,

be a happier person with a smile on your face. But let me ask you this, JL. If the reason I think Max should fight Toppera, I mean now we know Makchev's not a thing because he's fighting doesn't bore, but if you're in Mactis camp, isn't the bigger fight Toppera than a 55 fight? Like the Conor fight's not happening anytime soon. He's fighting Chandler. We know that that's going to International Fight Week So that that could be in the future but for what's next for max if we're looking at the lay of the land Alright mock chef for the title that's gone The only other title we can fight for is that you know against 45 with Toppera So wouldn't it be a big and even if Machchev was?

Available and they went up to max at all right Topia at 45 Or Makchev wouldn't you say Topia? Worldwide's a bigger name than Makchev Bigger draw I mean Possibly I've been surprised how big I mean Spain got behind him in ways the soccer players all the way up to the president like That country really did back him So you could be right. Let me tell you though That would be checkers. Let's look at it from chess if Max goes down and fights to poor it and beats him

Max draws right back into Volkanovsky the fourth time and that's a really tough sell in my opinion Yeah, Max stays at 55. He makes it clear. He's standing at 55. If DePore would like a shot, he can come up to 55 and contest it there. That'll never happen. But then he saves space. He starts talking about Connor. He starts talking about the Connor versus Chandler fight. Then all we do to do that is to take the eye off the ball. We wait about five or six weeks till Justin Gaethje is healed. We walk his ass in and we announce the rematch. It's Max versus Gage at Madison square garden in November. I think I could find more matches for him that are bigger draws at 55 than I

could have 45. 100%. That's so much smarter. Stay at 55. Matt, you're definitely in the wings. I mean, if, if Connor beats, you know, Chandler, I would love to see, love to see. There's more money to be had for him, depending on how much more he wants to fight at 55. There's a lot more stars in 55. Also to your point, 45, the road's going to stop because you beat Topperia, Okunovsky's next and he's waiting in the wings.

And how much would a fourth fight sell? The UFC knows this. If we're talking about this, the UFC sure is hell know this. He also looks so good. He looks so big. He's so much bigger than I thought. fight, sell, the UFC knows this, if we're talking about this, the UFC sure as hell knows it. He also looks so good, he looks so big, he's so much bigger than I thought. Like I thought that Justin was way bigger and I saw them together and I was like, well, I mean, Max looks bigger than Justin and has no problem at that weight class, no problem. He's ridiculously good.

I went up to 299 in Miami and it was I George Moswell had threatened me So I have like this threat over my and I'm looking for Moswell So I wasn't quite on my or and for whatever reason guy like it was like a nervous tick Every fighter that I saw I brought up Gagey max. Hey, what do you think of Gagey max? And I get done with that conversation. It turns out. Hey, what about Gagey max? I just kept doing it Why I ended up asking about eight or nine guys? 100% all took max and I was leaning Gage and gachi was the favorite all the fighters keep saying max So I eventually start saying why and they are basically contended that gachi brings a storm

You usually look around and nobody's left standing They thought max could still be standing had the cardio to outporn him in the later rounds So then I asked guy number nine ten eleven I started asking the gals and all the fellow fighters took Max and they predicted like that, that it would just be volume, that it'd be rough and tumbling back and forth and no grappling, but that eventually he would wear him down. Gage, you did get worn down in similar situations. Dustin, part one, Eddie Alvarez, just by example. A lot of guys thought that Max just had the skills to duplicate that it turned out they were right Yeah, yeah, would you would you move it on from max? What do you think of Kayla Harrison's performance?

It was great. I got a little bit of insider information there. I was sitting with the PFL We're at the Hard Rock in Florida and we're about to do the press conference for Bellator versus PFL So we even had executives at the table. We're having a meal. We're going over some of the stuff and one of the things that came up was Kayla and how we were gonna get Kayla and Cyborg together now that the merger between PFL and Bellator and it wasn't gonna be right away. There's gonna be one in between and my phone goes off and I looked down and it Kayla Harrison has signed to fight in Holly Holm in the UFC at number 300 I'm go oh my gosh they think she's under

contract what's what's going on so I don't say anything I'm the new guy well their phones start going off they all start looking down and this is where they find out that she's not her contract she's going to Vegas and I tell you that story for one reason that was nine weeks ago, which means She Kayla Harrison did not know she knew for nine weeks She had to bring her body weight down to 135 which she had not weighed since she was in middle school When she won the Olympic gold medal the second time for perspective, which I had to think is the prime of your athletic life You're in your late teens and you're the Olympic champion. Guys, that was at 172 pounds. Wow.

She was fighting the PFL at 150. My God. Yeah, she touched 45 one time and then thought she was going to have to go back to 45. How did she do 35? To fight a cyborg fight. She peeled it off to 35. I don't know how she did it. I don't know how in nine weeks you changed your physiology, but she did and she deserves

credit for it. Yeah, she looked good and it went to the second round. You didn't see any sort of issues with that. I think she's just, it's perfect timing. There's really no face of women's MMA right now. Amanda Nunes is out. I'll see Holly Holmes on the back nine of life. Clearly Rhonda's out. Shevchenko, a little older. Yeah, you know, there's just, Ioana's out. Shefchenko, a little older. You know, there's just, Ioanna's out. So there's no big name in female fighting right now. So I feel like she's just,

it's perfect time for her to come to the UFC. They gotta give her a title shot right away. I like that Amanda Nunes, you know, that might wake her up, get her out of bed, un-retire. You do Amanda Nunes, Kayla Harrison. We got, you know, we're going sizzler that's a good fight sure I'm sure Amanda can get that fight whenever she wants I think Dana even said that but imagine she waits I think that Kayla would be champion you come in your fighter you bet you because I'm champion

imagine she doesn't want to wait imagine she comes in it says no no this is personal there is no belt I'm gonna stop you from getting the belt I'm coming back I'm taking you out first and I'm gonna take my belt back Just imagine from that perspective because Amanda don't forget she feels she was ran out of the ATT Well, she was she was right at ATT. She left but it also looked like she left the sport because Kayla was coming That's what a lot of people said that was one of the impressions that I had whether it's accurate or not So imagine she came back to reclaim that but in the contenders standpoint before she even let her get to the championship I'm just saying as far as personal grudges go that story works

It does it jail I just want to fuck with the fans here because I did see you mouth when you were inducted into the Hall of Fame You said something like one more time I'm just saying. You're close. Okay. One more for the bad guy. Okay. Thank you.

Oh, thank God. Thank God. I thought maybe you were asking for another fight. I thought it was a Mike Tyson situation. I'd be front and center rubber banding my underwear into the octagon. I'm just saying, if you choose to do that, maybe a Chail Son and Brennan Schaub, who knows, we'll see.

You'd have to suck down. I have those fantasies and I get them more every Olympic year. I get them more and I think about it, I'm gonna put a singlet on and go wrestle a man. I'm gonna try to get him down to the mat. I feel what a fool I am, but it's Olympic year. They're going to Paris, the trials for wrestling

is this week, man, I can't wait, I'm excited for it. No, my time in MMA is long gone. What about when you see, you know, like the, the Jake Paul's, the Logan, like that stuff or even the Jorge stuff with game bread. Does any of that interest you? Like do you ever look at it? You go, ah, man, I'm down for that quick payday. Your body language with your hands getting all sweaty. Your hands are starting. Your blood is going to your hands, Chale. Body language with your hands getting all sweaty. Your hands are starting, the blood is going to your hands, Chale. I would hate to be challenged.

I don't know if my ego is such where I've overcome that to where I don't do that anymore. I don't think I'll ever be in that spot, but it's an interesting question when you ask it. And by the way, I told my mom, mom, I quit that sport 10 years ago. She said, honey, you retired five years ago. I said, yeah, I retired five years ago.

I quit 10 years ago. But said, honey, you retired five years ago. I said, yeah, I retired five years ago. I quit 10 years ago. All fighters do that, right? We all are the last ones to know. Oh, I'm training smarter, not harder. Oh, I got this figured out. Oh, I did this different this time. No, it just doesn't work that way. No father time.

Well, Joe, we love you, brother. You are the best. I mean, we thought you guys are awesome. I hope you know that I love you. You guys have built me up over the years you were the first ones that I text I wanted to come on. Thank you for the invite, but you know what I've had it with you both Well deserved brother he was great fucking love him Hall of Famer right there. Let's take a little break because I want to talk to you about

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Chael Sonnen. The Hall of Famer. Love him. They act a little different. I knew, you know, I didn't know if he'd have time for us. He's different now. He's different. A little different.

Some people don't change like that guy. It's great. We'll see. It's still early. He hasn't got his gold jacket yet, so we'll see if he comes on again. You're right. We'll see. You're right, buddy. You got a little tight when I brought up the PED stuff.

I got a little tight. Long comfortable for you. I know back then that that was part of the sport, so. No, you found out. Yeah, I found out. Otherwise you wouldn't have got tight. Yeah. And he explained it too, like that's what I,

that's, but that was my intention of bringing it up like people go they let PD user in the hall fame You got to understand that he had a therapeutic Testosterone exemption we all were trying to get it back then a lot of a lot of guys had it when he was fighting when I Was fighting he also disclosed it to the Commission, California California and then they did this to him Yeah, so there's a caveat there where the knocks gonna be oh they let a PD user in the Hall of Fame But there's an asterisk even with that. Yes, so that's why you bring it up Yes, you can't have them on and just pretend it didn't happen, right? Then what are we doing? Right? Yeah, and he got in the Hall of Fame for that fight with Silva and Silva also got popped as well. Correct

Yeah Oh, I can go through if you could bring up all the Hall of Fame fights and guys that got in and we can go through who's on steroids and who's not, and it's going to hurt your feelings. It's going to hurt your feelings. And so that's not the hill to die on. You can also look at the difference between when Navinsky and his team got in there versus before, and you could actually see a market difference in how

bodies changed literally certain guys for sure certain guys bodies literally deflated and love trail perfect guy to come on for UFC 300 probably won't have them on in May there's the UFC is going ice cold in May the fights come up in May are horrible Brian so prepare yourself and then June 1st it gets June is litty it gets litty June is litty. It gets like a teddy Yeah, but May it's gonna hurt your feelings, but June 1st. We just gotta make to June 1st. Okay, so June 1st is a great Summers gonna be lit. Summer's gonna be lit. But no winter curtain. May is gonna make you sad. May is gonna hurt your feelings. It's gonna hurt my feelings.

Yeah, okay a lot of apex. Okay. What do you got, Jen? Let's move on. First current event. So OJ Simpson passed away this past week, prostate cancer, and his executive of his will as attorney has come out and said that he's going to make it his main priority to make sure that especially the Goldman's do not get any more of the $33.5 million they are owed in the civil lawsuit.

What are your thoughts on that? Here's my thing, you know, I'm balls deep in the OJ stuff. I've followed it all. I've been to the murder sites, I'm a weirdo. Let just play devil's advocate here with me. Now I'm not saying this, I'm just play devil's advocate. He passed away, right? And you see people online going good riddance and all this

and know about time, blah, blah, blah. Riddle me this, what if he was actually innocent? What, like just play that game for me. Just entertain me with it. What I can also say is if you believe in the justice system, okay, and I know it's flawed and it is flawed. Majorly flawed. That's fine, but the justice system is also the justice

system and it's a lot better than most justice systems. We do our best. Yes, there are problems. Yes, people forget actually Donald Trump was spearheading criminal justice reform, et cetera, et cetera. Um, if you look at it, he was found innocent

in a court of law. Oh, there's so much caveat with that. Respect the courts. Mmm, that was tough. Especially everything going, there's so much caveat with that. Respect the courts. That was tough. Especially everything going on with Rodney King and all that. Respect the courts. And you respect the courts now.

Oh man. Now, having said that. I prefer you arguing with him. He was then found guilty in a civil court and that's one of the reasons we have civil courts. Because he was found guilty there, so he had to pay out that money. Yeah.

Okay. So he was convicted, he was freed. Then convicted of kidnapping, etc. Did nine years, long time, long stretch, nine fucking years. I mean, yeah. And if you look at the videotape of all that, it was all, you know, he was just there. And I think he held him at gunpoint in the- Yeah. Him and his buddy. And it was for- That idea. It was for like memorabilia. Yeah. In Vegas. Sure. That is kidnapping. In

Palastation. That is kidnapping. At Palisades. That is kidnapping. That is a capital crime in some cases, but that was kidnapping. But anybody else that does that crime gets like two, three years max? You got nine years because that judge was like, now we got you. Actually, the judge's hands are, I heard legal experts talking about the judge's hands are kind of tied in that too. You really get in real trouble when you do that to somebody.

And it's very very very common. It's nine years pretty standard for kidnapping. It is. It's actually is it actually low. Is it? Yes, it's actually low. You can do easily 20 for that. For kidnapping? Yeah. Yeah. Well, it's actually a capital crime in some cases. You can't kidnap people especially by gun. Yeah, so so Kidnapping is a major offense. Very, very bad. But my whole reason, Freddie went down the whole thing on that.

So, kidnaps is punishable with three, five, or eight years. He got nine. The victim was under 14, kidnaps was punishable by five, eight, or 11. So, yeah, these were grown men. So, nine would be pretty harsh. You're crazy if you don't think

there's some influence there. Statuary of maximum sentences for his life imprisonment. All right. I don't know. Anyway, so I remember them saying the judge's hands were kind of tied. The average is five years. He got nine. Yeah, but there were other crimes. It wasn't just kidnapping. He was also guilty of other crimes. Also kidnapping with a gun. There was all kinds of stuff. Like there was guilty of other crimes also kidnapping with a gun There was all kinds of stuff like there was all the he got caught with a bunch of you know things like that So but my whole point is like take all that away My whole point is just like imagine being him and I'm not saying he is I'm just just play this game with me for entertainment

Purposes on a podcast. Let's say he was innocent Let's say some of the conspiracies his older son did, he's coming up for him. Let's say he was innocent. Think about the way he's been treated since then. Yeah. I disagree. I don't think he's been treated that bad. I mean, you see him out on dates all the time.

He's having fun. Oh no, girls love it. Was he on dates? All the time. Oh, blah, blah. I know people that know him very well. Girls like him. Oh my God, he's dangerous.

That's the bad boy. That's the ultimate bad boy. Yeah, and famous. Bitch, girls at a time. I know people that know him very well. Girls like him. Oh my God, he's dangerous. That's the bad boy. That's the ultimate bad boy. Yeah, and famous. Bitch, he will kill you. Yeah. And they like that. Well, he's charming as shit.

He's good looking. Women like him. He's OJ. He's OJ. And he is dangerous. There's something about that that turns a lot of women on. Yeah, but he murdered two people. Well, allegedly, sir.

Sure. I'm just saying, respect the courts. We have to. Otherwise, we're not in court. If we're respecting the courts, we respect the civil court. I don't know if you can... You gotta pay. So, you gotta pay, and there are ways, again, within, legally, within that legal framework,

to get around that too, which were taken, and will be taken. So, to me, this is the justice system working the way the justice system works. A little chaotic, a little unfair, a little fair all over the place, and it's business as usual. Nothing should surprise us. It's America overall. You know, me America first. This one's a little tough because you got to look at the situation, what was going on very closely your heart There's zero zero zero

I mean to anybody and like even if you if you actually read like and follow along as that trial was going on It's like it's so obvious. He did it. Yeah, like the the any other case. This is a slam dunk There's no controversy, but because because. You have the dream team? He had the dream team, but also the biggest kind of liability was Mark Fuhrman, who was this cop. Yeah, good to be a racist, because he used the N-word. They thought, well they made him seem like a complete racist. And so they made, they took the focus off OJ, the murder,

which the evidence was so clear. And they made the whole focus. Like he might have the evidence was so clear and they made the The whole focus planet evidence the whole focus is on LAPD and all they were looking for out of all the LAPD Was one chink in the armor they found with mark Yeah, and so they went on that so they put the doubt in the jury's mind going Ye we know there's his blood was not only at the scene but in his car and then he fled to Chicago We know that we've been here previously to the house in Brentwood several times We know that she wrote in her diary Oh, Jay was gonna kill her and he's come close before we know all this but they went

I know if we could just plant some sort of doubt that the glove the footprints Everything matches OJ if we could just plant some doubt that the LAPD planted that stuff We're gonna be okay because we're okay because Rodding Keegs going on and they let those cops off and they don't want to go Through that again. So he was when he decided to kill her It was perfect timing for society and everything. Cause I think LA went, well, first of all, do you know this? That the trial was not in Los Angeles. It was actually in Simi Valley. They didn't think you would get a fair try in LA.

So they went to, I'm sorry, that was for the, the Rodney King one. So instead of doing LA, they didn't think it would be a fair trial. So they took it to Simi Valley for Rodney King to get him off. So that's corruption in the court. Let me answer this question. So he got off. When he got off, what was his life like though? He was an international pariah.

Horrible. So he talks about it, like in his book, which I read, he talks about how, like he would try and go to his same restaurants. And that's why you have to move. You go to the same restaurants, people that were friends for years, and they wouldn't let him in the restaurant.

He was like, but I was found innocent. They're like, we don't care, man, we think you did it. Because they were aware of the way. But they, because these friends that he had from 30, 40 years, they were aware of his treatment of Nicole way prior to this. So they go, oh, he did it. As soon as I went, he did it.

Because so many times, he beat her up so bad. And people would cover for him. The LAPD would cover for him. Yeah. I had to write a thesis paper on this in a communication law course. And people seem to forget, the defense only has to prove beyond a reasonable doubt. It's just 1% of doubt. The way they handled the case is just like Brendan saying, just continuously poking at other things

and taking away from the fact that the evidence was there. They stopped talking to each other, those guys. Right, and one thing people don't know is they had him stop taking his arthritis medication while in jail. So his hands got bigger. So his hand got bigger. So they want him to put on the glove. They were banking. They pressured them to put it on.

So the prosecution, but they didn't know that that prosecutor was gonna do that because they were like, we don't know, because if this doesn't fit, we're screwed. And then, so the plan wasn't to do the glove. For whatever reason, that dude was like, why don't you put on the glove? That's why you see him like, yeah, yeah, put on the glove.

He stopped taking his medicine. It made his hands swollen. So he's like, they don't even fit. So they were dying for this to happen, dying. Do you know before the trial started, that Rob Kardashian and his lawyers had him take a lie detector test? Yeah.

And he failed it miserably and they went, okay, well this isn't good. And he was a sociopath. And you know Rob, yeah it doesn't matter, but you know Rob Kardashian as well, said that OJ did it? Yeah. That was his best friend.

When the trial was over they stopped being friends. over They stopped being stopped talking nothing to do with him Because he goes because I was so close to it and he was in in the room when they did the lie detector That's and other evidence that we weren't aware of Rob goes he 100% did it. I couldn't be his friend anymore That's his closest friend so but you had how does life change so he had to leave LA because he had a party like a Celebratory party, you know when he's found not guilty and none of his friends came no one showed up. No Nobody no nobody it's over. So yeah, and they try going the same restaurants

You know, you went down to Florida went to Florida for a little bit. Yeah, was he with his kids? What was his relationship with his kids? I thought that Nicole's parents got in half custody. You mean Khloe Kardashian? Who? Khloe Kardashian. That's a fun conspiracy. That's a rumor. It's a conspiracy.

We've brought it up many times. It's a waste of time. I like them. It's a fun one. But by the way, the gloves look like they fit. Just not great. No, they don't. He can't bend his his hand like you couldn't commit murder in that even though they found a receipt For these isotoner gloves in his house. What? Yeah

Fuck dude. Oh, no, they found hold on they Hold on they found Blood and Nicole's blood in his car. Yeah, I mean that they said was planted Yeah at the crime scene of Nicole. They found all three blood, you know and Nicole's blood in his car that they said was planted. Yeah. At the crime scene of Nicole, they found all three blood in his car and at his house. And you know, he flew to Chicago the night of the murder, right after he flies to Chicago, the police call him like, okay, your wife is murdered and all this. He doesn't go, oh my God, starts crying.

He's like, oh no, does that mean I have to come back? Yeah, he's a bad guy. Cato Cailin also, if you guys remember, Cato was living in O.J.'s back house. He had a statement recently where he, the people have been asking him to say something and he literally just repeats the facts of like his death and then starts talking about the Goldman's and the Brown family.

Like even he's like, the guy didn't look right. I knew Cato a little bit. He's a good guy and Cato, yeah. Look at that. I don't know. Sweetheart. That's Cato a little bit. He's a good guy and Kato, yeah. Look at that. I don't know. Sweetheart. That's Kato now? Yeah. He was handsome back in the day.

Yeah, oh yeah. Oh yeah. And the ladies loved him. He looks like Christian Slater. Yeah. They loved him. He was a good guy. He was a guest on MADtv.

I don't know why. Yeah. He became a super star. Everybody did. Look at his, so he on his- They stopped the NBA finals show show Oh Jay, this hands say T and V. It's pretty good. Okay, Lynn's. Yep. Look at his hands But I'm just saying I'm clearly dead, but if he did it wouldn't it's just a sad yeah, he definitely did it

But but his life His life was shit after that, wasn't it? Then he went to jail. He seemed always to be in a good mood. He seemed to always be, hey. Or on camera, who knows? I bet his life was horrible. He did like a rap video, if you remember that,

in Florida, it was awful. He did like a rap video. I'm sure he had it tough for a couple years. Probably had a pretty good life. He played golf, he had a pension Yeah, they couldn't touch his nfl his nfl pension three hundred thousand dollar pension or something like that good enough Especially as long as he played You know

He was making money in prison too because his attorneys would bring him Flattened like footballs for him to sign and they would continuously make money off of that And then he also put his property somewhere so they couldn't get him and they put him under his child's name But yeah, it's weird how they did it. They figured it out. So then he's got I wonder how much he actually paid to the Goldman's it doesn't say it did say that he Did his best to not pay them this entire time though, and I know they couldn't touch his NFL pension. That wasn't That's untouchable apparently. What a tragedy horrible, right? Yeah horrible heart 32 grand That was it. That's untouchable apparently. What a tragedy. Horrible, right? Yeah. Horrible.

132 grand? Wow. That's it. Out of 32.5 million. Yeah. Yeah, I told you I've told the story before, but Ron Coleman sold me my sweater. Oh. Yeah, in Nordstrom's in Arizona.

And he was such a sweet man. It dawned on me who he was. And I just kind of wanted to give him a hug because you could see he was selling sweaters. And he was a nice man. Oh, it's the worst thing that can happen to a sweet man. And it dawned on me who he was. And I just kind of wanted to give him a hug because you could see he was selling sweaters and he was a nice man. Oh, it's the worst thing that can happen to a human being. You lose your child? There's nothing, kill me.

When you have a son, when you have a son, and you have a son, like even the thought of something God forbid happened to your children is my children. Like it's beyond what you can handle. It's beyond what you can handle. Awful.

I mean, even like dictators, when they lose their kids, like they crumble. Like Saddam Hussein, even when he was in prison, they were saying like, they were like, this horrible, evil man, but his daughters come to see him and he'd melt. They're like, that's the only time we saw him where he was like being sweet and like baby talking.

Like, I don't care who you are. You know, dictator, leader of a military, I don't care who you are with you know well That's dictator listen to the phone leader of a military. I don't care who you are your children do yeah the dictator of Serbia Milosevic I listen to him talk to his son and there's a you hear him on the phone And he's talking to his son you know and he loves his son even a btk killer No, really. Oh, yeah, they haven't talked to his son. He's like he's a dad That's where he breaks the wall the for. He really yeah, they have what video? Yeah, he had a straight-up family now. They changed her name cuz I want to be associated with him, but you know, he's a monster It's wild right here's a wild one though the OJ stuff to me's you know

It's it's great. It's crazy on his deathbed he wasn't like, I did it. Yeah, I did it and then died. Like, could you just give us a bone? To give people like closure. Closure, I know. Give the family closure, just admit it. But it said he was surrounded by his kids and grandkids.

You think he wants to look at the mother? No. But apparently he said a long thing, but you know, in order to get into the, the hospital, in the, in the CM, everybody, kids, doesn't matter. Everyone had signed an NDA. What? Because what he was saying, who knows what he said.

So let me ask you this question. Is it, is it, uh, is there ever, is it in anybody's mind, is it possible that this man had a moment of madness? Obviously he should do the crime. I mean, do the time for the crime. This man had a moment of madness. Obviously he should do the crime, do the time for the crime. But is this a guy who had a moment of insane, jealous rage, passion madness, and then the rest of the time he's always been better than that? I don't think he can be.

If you're able to murder somebody like that, especially somebody that you love, especially the mother of your children, because you know, when you take her out, you have literally affected your kids in the worst way possible for the rest of their life. If you're able to accept those terms, there's no way you're normal throughout the rest of your life. There's no way you're a good friend.

You now remember, in high school, his best friend had a serious girlfriend. O.J. fucked her and took her from him. Which is like, cool, mine now. And that's his best friend had a serious girlfriend. OJ fucked her and took her from him. Which is like, cool, mine now. And that's his best friend. They said his anger came from, like a lot of his, and he's always had anger issues, he's always hit women.

His issues came from his dad being gay. They think that's why he ran so hard, that's why he was like, I gotta be the best. It was all just, he hated that his dad was gay. Who the fuck knows? Isn't that He's done the fuck knows and that weird who the fuck knows I would be a bad judge and a bad cop I just I Just feel bad for everybody a lot of times, and I'm a shitty. I just I don't feel bad for OJ No, you can't kill people. I feel bad for everybody. I don't not not know it comes that yeah now when you're killing moms No, I agree with you I feel bad for everybody. I don't, not when it comes to that. Not when you're killing moms.

No, I agree with you. I mean, you gotta go to prison for the rest of your life. You gotta go to prison. You have to, there's no compromise. There's a reason there's prison. Let's go to the next one. Next one, so this North Carolina man got arrested after going into a women's locker room

at Planet Fitness in front of a 17 year old because he identified as a woman. Interesting. That's how this goes. And then asked the girl to rub lotion on him and shower with him. That's how this goes. This is why it's unsafe. Listen, if you are born that way and you feel like you're wired different and all that stuff and you identify as that, the issue is most of these psychos don't. And now you've got to remember the rest of the world doesn't know bye by these rules, and you're gonna get a lot of this.

No, but you'll get teen girls accused of hate speech when you protest that a man with a dick is in your fucking dressing room. Go fuck yourself in your hate speech. My thing is, and my thing is, if you want to create a third bathroom where it's like open gender bathroom, that's fine, do that, and like, well, we don't feel,

we get that, but listen, we're protecting kids. Get that motherfucker out of the girls bathroom. that's fine, do that. And like, well, we don't feel, we get that, but listen, we're protecting kids. Get that motherfucker out of the girl's bathroom. That's a dude. I don't care if you identify as a fucking female. You're a dude. If you do that with my daughter, I'm coming after you. He's clearly figured it out.

Clearly, he doesn't think he's a girl. He's cheating the system. He's using that as an excuse. He's a predator. Clearly, he's not even, he's a white cheating the system. He's using that as an excuse. Yes Clearly he's I mean, you know, he has yeah, but he's a white dude with dreadlock cut his head off Agree, that would be good. We could cut his fucking head off Now can we rewind the tape where OJ literally murdered two people and you're saying could he be a good guy? No, give him to OJ and have OJ cut his head off. Okay, cuz very confusing. It's yeah, I killed nobody but then OJ I want to cut that guy's head off. You're right. You're like is there any way he's actually learned from his ways? Okay, okay, cuz very confusing it's yeah, I killed nobody but then OJ

You're like is there any way he You're right, and he's okay. You're right. This shit though. Dr. I like this I think about my daughter and a fucking thing and I'll fucking kill that guy. Yeah Right now now think of your daughter dating OJ Simpson and she's getting beat relentlessly for you kill him, too Okay, keep that same energy. I call Brennan Schaub. I go, need you to just be on, just watch. I'm gonna fight him. Now he's a really good athlete.

Once it starts going down south. Once it starts going south. Might not go south. I'm fighting for my daughter and he's a football player. So go fuck yourself as great an athlete as you are. Look, right here. And he has that gay hate anger from his dad. Yeah, and I have no anger issues. Okay. Oh, Jason's the Heisman Trophy winner? Right that's right in his prime.

Oh you think you'd win? That's why I love you. Bye bye. This is why I win so much money off you. But I'm going, I'm going. You're going. I'm going hard and it's a different thing but I got my boy Brendan when it goes south. I'll be there. When it goes south. I'll be there. You gotta be there. Now it's gonna go south in about 30 seconds., you say that but it's my daughter and he doesn't fight and he doesn't have to fight So there's a different thing. All right Let's take a little break because I want to know about if there's a pre-workout for sex I want to know I'm trying to wait my wheel I can take to wake my wiener up and I'm not talking about gas station I'm not talking about drugs that have nasty side. effects. I'm talking about science-backed stuff.

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All I'm saying is not a Brian Callan 59 years old. Yeah. 57 dude. Alright I'm talking about your run the mill 57 57 year old dad probably words of, you know, suit and tie every day to work. Yeah. You had this blue belt. He's gotten it over the last 10 years against a in their prime NFL player on a 53 man roster. Yeah. You see me. It's gonna be tough. No one believes in Jiu-Jitsu more than me, but the run of the nobody believes in me more than you, right?

Yeah, dude. You can do it. What else you got, Jim? Last one, dude, it's been a long one. It's been good though. It's my favorite kinds of conversations. Last one, let's keep it light. This is a viral video going on.

I just thought of you and Boston and Tiger when I saw this. Okay, start again. I thought of you and Boston and Tiger when I saw this. What's wrong? I mean, I think he goes a little hard, right? It's weird to hit that hard when the kid's pitching three feet away. He hit him right in the head with a wiffle ball. Oh, baby. That's how old my little baby is.

That's just sounds so terrible too. Yeah. Not a good look. Well, that's why dad, that's why. Hey dad, like who are you doing this for? Who the fuck goes full throttle with a toddler? As long as that dad sucks. Yeah.

Why did he, any of has a Barry Bond jersey on. Ah! Why did he go balls to the wall? I don't know, that's fucking tough. That's a tough one. He's just trying to impress the, his kid. I get it. Don't bring that soft serve shit.

I mean, what are you doing, dude? Bunt the ball towards the little dude. Ah! Ah! Welcome to the fucking chill kid. Yeah, I'm with that lady. Why would you even hit it that hard playing with a toddler? Yeah, that's not cool.

He swung through. It's the way I punch. What did that kid expect, throwing that light shit to Barry Bonds? The comments are gold. Dad's like, this never made it past JVN Sports. Yeah, probably. There's some ego in there. He loves his baby. He didn't mean it.

Definitely don't do that though as a dad. Is that it, Chin? That's it. All right. Cal, where you gonna be at, buddy? Kids, Bray Improv this weekend, Friday, Saturday. Let's go April 19th and 20. I'll be there at Bricktown Comedy Club, Oklahoma City,

April 26 and 27. There's a rumor Deleah might come down. Ooh, that'd be fun. Yep. We'll see. Either way, I'll see you soon. Looking forward to it. Love you guys. All right, kids. The Cowboys fight companion for USC 300 with DeLeah, our boy

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