The Fighter & The Kid - Kato Kaelin | TFATK Ep. 1071

Episode Date: March 13, 2025

Kato Kaelin joins the show for the first time and the guys obviously talk all things O.J. Simpson including why he thinks O.J. was guilty, inviting himself to eat McDonalds with O.J., Kato working with Bryan on MADtv, Naked Gun stories, his connection to multiple bad people and much more. DraftKings - Download the DraftKings Sportsbook app and use code: FIGHTER O'Reilly Auto Parts - https://oreillyauto.com/FIGHTER True Classic - Upgrade your wardrobe and save on @trueclassic at https://trueclassic.com/fighter ! #trueclassicpod Magic Mind - http://magicmind.com/

Yes we did, cause we back at it again, it's the fighter and the kid This is really the fighter and the kid Come on baby Man what a treat Kato A man I've known for 30 years and last time I saw you 20 years ago We worked together on Mad TV 30 years ago And Kato Kaelin And somebody's beating father time a little better than you

Dude Kato looks hey Hey, you and I boys, you know, I love you. Yeah when I say look at his skin, you're down 10-8 Yeah, he's up 10-9 father time. He hangs he hangs upside down like a bat That's how he sleeps and when he came in, you know, obviously I've seen you I'm my black belt in this OJ stuff and all cold case all that murder crime stuff and when he came in I thought I thought to my head. Let's, if OJ Simpson stuff happened in 93, 94, he must have been 15 when that went down. And you're how old?

I am up right now? No, how old were you when in 94? I was 34 then, 34. That's insane. So if I was 16 living at OJ's, that's kind of weird. Yeah, well. Hey, OJ, let's go to Chuck E. Cheese. That's a crime in itself.

The hell were you doing, pool boy? It's not so funny, pool boy. I was so funny, because during that whole thing, everybody kept labeling things that I wasn't. And the more I would talk about it, the more it seemed like I was that. So it's like, oh man, I wasn't a pool boy. The kids love me, Justin and Sydney.

And the thing was, his kids love me. And it was a trust factor. It's like, oh they trust this guy I was working with a guy named Grant Kramer was this big heartthrob. We had a casting business Grant Was in a General hospital, but he did a few beach movies and he was like the hot thing in the 80s the hunkies my buddy Yeah, So he and I were buddies and we started a casting business. So I would be on the sets of these movies till three, four AM working. So I was never the babysitter, but I would, if they needed

help, I'd always help. And I loved the kids. They were great. How frustrating was that back then? It's not like it is now. Now you could just jump on Instagram live and be like, first of all, not the pool boy. Here's what I'm doing. And then everyone would share the story so you could control the narrative. Back then, there's no way to control the narrative. Well, he had blonde hair, good looking kid. People were like, oh yeah. I surfed the web.

Never surfed. Everybody thought I was the surfer. I'm from Wisconsin. I'm from Milwaukee, Wisconsin. I'm the Midwest. Oh, interesting. I figured you were like this surfer just living out the back of the house. Honestly, I was all these things because I had long hair and then he immediately said

this guy is so fucking high. He's a druggie and I never did drug in my life. It's all the things that you think. Nor did you drink. Nor did you drink. I'm not even a drinker. If I have a beer, thank God I'm a huge migraine sufferer so any kind of alcohol I get this throbbing migraine, so it's kind of a curse and a blessing interesting although you you became world famous

You're 35 overnight handsome kid and the the amount of female energy you got But I've heard from third parties was over over the top was crazy True or false I guess true because I was single Yeah, but you know what I was so cautious with everything when I met someone because I knew how could turn they could say smart He he did or he did a rape or anything I was really cautious and I think a gift that I have because my late father was in sales is to read people and I Would know immediately if someone's kind of after the yes, if they wanted especially if they had agendas opportunities every hour.

Yeah, every hour. But then but then also you were looked at the kind of the first suspect right because I call on this guy's hair. Your story was you heard knocking like three knocks and then you just went back in to get a better flashlight. Is that right? No. so what happened is uh, They gave me my door the there's four detectives came to my door It's at 5 35 or so in the morning

I had no they didn't say who they were and I had like a weird it was a weird night like this a June gloom So there's knocking at my door and I just opened the door was these the cops the detectives I said did oh J's plane crash because that's the only thing I could figure out He went to Chicago cuz you know he headed Chicago. Yeah, and I thought why you know, I'm not thinking someone's been murdered So they come in my room and they're like they position themselves like one there one there one there and they all they would ask Each would ask a question. So I'd kind of be bouncing around cheese and I still don't know what's going on They kept going. What did you wear yesterday? And what are the shoes you wore?

So I was getting all these shoes and they're looking on, are they see if there's any kind of dirt on them or anything. So it was like, I never- Right there, they're already investigating. Oh yeah, I had no- Which makes sense. That's what those guys do.

I think everybody's a suspect, whatever. They're just doing their job. Did they figure out quickly that you weren't? Yeah, I think so. Yeah, I'm friends with Probably I was friends with kind of all of them Veneta died after they met me and spent so many hours with me. It was You know even today Tom Lang has done my show. I do this one degree scandalous show. He's ledger show Yeah, I love to crime. I love detective work and he's done Every he's done like nine serial killers

But how well did you know? To this whole he's because I'm a novice to this believe it or not Yeah, I just remember OJ being arrested and being acquitted, but I never followed the nitty-gritty Yeah, like when the cops came to you and you were like OJ's plane went down And then when you found out that it was Nicole and the other gentleman who passed away, was your first thought, it's OJ? No, no, because I thought no way. I thought they're just checking on,

they're just coming here because they know that, first of all, I don't know what's going on. I don't even know what's going on. They don't tell you anything. And then the bungalow, I had a bungalow, next door was Arnell, that's his daughter. And then they questioned her and she didn't know. So we both go into a house sitting separate.

And then I heard the phone call that Tom Lang is telling the parents, your daughter's been killed. So we don't know, he didn't say he murdered, he just said killed. Did he have children with Nicole? Sorry. Yeah. Oh, yeah. Sidney and Justin, they're the ones that were.

Hey, man. These were the kids that were on the property. Yeah, and they're young kids. I was friends with her more than him, but he helped me out when I lived. I used to live at Gretna Green. That was her house before Bundy. Yes.

She and I were friends because we met in Aspen through my buddy Grant. You and who? Grant Kramer, the guy between. But you were friends because we met in Aspen through my buddy Grant. You and who? Grant Kramer. But you were friends with who? Nicole? Well, I was friends with Grant, but we met in Aspen. So that was my first meeting of her.

Uh, of course I've heard of OJ Simpson, but they were divorced at the time. So Brian, just for you for context. So OJ had two children when Nicole, they were young. They were living in the house at the time. They actually asleep when all this was going down. Yeah. And then prior to his marriage, uh, to Nicole, uh, he got married out of college. He had three kids, one passed away, one got drowned in a, in a pool. Oh my God. So he has two older kids that were born in one, like 68 and one like 71. So Jason and Arnell. Yes. And Jason's a chef and that's a whole nother thing. Yeah, that's another case. Yeah, which is all bullshit.

What an interesting, crazy time, but what a heartbreak for these children. Yeah. Were you around them or did you? The kids, my relationship with the kids was, I was the guy that made them laugh and they ended up getting a keto dog and the whole thing was they're going,

what do we name the dog? And they just said, we to call a dog Kato. So it was kind of an act of love. I think. Yeah. Yeah. It was called dog Kato. That's a big honor.

And it's all, I was just the guy, if I was around, if they needed a homework help or anything, I just was in the back guest house on Gretna Green, not Bundy. Cause that was a, there was no guest house. So I helped him out with that. If Nicole and I never dated, never, nothing sexual. They try to do that in the tabloid. Total friend. And I'd help her out if

she ever needed anything. And just became friends with the kids. And so eventually did you, you have your, I don't know, I haven't heard you share your opinions. Did, was there some point where you're like, ah, maybe OJ did do this? I have my say, I don't wanna have to. Oh yeah, no, I think, I've said in shows, yeah, I think he's 100% guilty. And during the time when I'm with the kids, you have to realize, so Nicole was the mom that would run in with four of her girlfriends

every single morning, and the kids would, my Gretna Green, they had a lock, but sometimes I got home so late from the, I did a wrangling on extras for films. So I got late hours. They jump on the bed in the morning. They go to school. And that's when the Chloe Courtney and Kim Kardashian just jump on the bed also.

Yeah. So you could say that I've been in bed with the... That's how they were. So it's like... So they were all little children. Yeah. Yeah, they were all... Super young.

I guess yeah nine It's so sad to me. Well, it's it's just so yes It's like you want to say to OJ dude, you have a whole life You have that you're living like the life of Riley and you're gonna destroy so many lives with this Okay, let me ask you this. Why do you think no doubt that OJ did it? Because when I talked to detectives and they had 250 detectives Throughout the whole case working the case, they just said it's a done deal. There's too much evidence. Now the reasonable doubt

Barry Sheck I thought was the brilliant lawyer for the defense, he planted that with the DNA. Yes. But the DNA was one in a trillion that it was him. Yes. And he still convinced the jury. That's incredible. It's all because of lawyers. his his DNA was found all over the place nails everywhere bedroom socks all three people DNA there's a we didn't show the Bronco so trails everywhere Netflix he said he's kind of cut on his head was 3-4 of a drop of blood that had been spread out everywhere and they were they were making a big deal about it cuz he had Cut his hand they're saying yeah, there's if the Netflix show they have the special that goes on. I saw it.

I had no idea all the evidence that was never used. It's it blew me away. It's insane. They didn't use the socks. They didn't use the stuff the blood in the dryer, wash machine. All the stuff was never used because they said they had so much evidence they didn't need it. Now, now the naysayers the naysayers will say that they, that was put in after the fact evidence. I don't think all those detectives ever ever plant anything. They said Furman was going to plant at the club that was found behind my bungalow. It's impossible because he didn't know to plant a glove cause he didn't know anything until I told him about the noise I heard in my room, this picture moved.

There's no window. I said, and I'm talking to this girl and said we just have an earthquake and the whole time we're deciding she goes come on over my place I'll come to you I said no you come over here and we're kind of just so when I was like not dating but yeah so when you heard the bump yeah that is that is that was OJ hiding evidence no no what people are saying that's OJ. There's a it's a walkway. It's only that big. He had to climb over the neighbor's fence and they think that he hit his head on

the air conditioning unit and that's where the glove dropped. There's two gloves, one of the, the glove, if it doesn't fit, you must have quit. So he dropped that glove there. Uh, it fell out, I think. And there was a glove at the crime scene and the glove on his property. So Bundy and Rockingham had two gloves that matched so the theory would be that he was stalking her because he was suspecting her She was fooling around on him. No, even though they were broken up. I think I think what was going on. That's not me She finally at this dancer saddle said

She finally said I don't need oj anymore in my life I think it affected him because he thought he could have women and her and he knew it was finally over. Cuz they used to always like break up. Get back together. Yeah, it was when you got divorced and back together. Always. So it was on and off, on and off, then finally she's like, no, I'm done, man.

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That was that we both the narrative is he committed the murders, booked a flight, flew to Chicago. He was like, I'm in Chicago. I didn't do it. That's not the truth. Truth is that was booked months prior from Hertz. He worked with Hertz. So that was planned the whole time. So do we really think OJ was going to commit the murder then and be like, all right, I'm going to commit a murder an hour before my flight. There's the limo there. His bags are packed, I don't know. Yeah, I agree with you. Did he do it, was this pre-planned for him? I don't think, it feels like that's an act of passion.

Yeah, I feel like it. And especially, but what was he doing with gloves? Well, this is what I, opinion was he goes there, he doesn't expect this. Talk about wrong place, wrong time. This is the show he did. Ron Goldman comes from the Mezzaluna to drop off glasses just by timing.

Because he was a waiter at the restaurant they were eating at during the recital. Had they been remotely involved? So he's pissed already because he wasn't invited as a family member to the dance recital. So already he's probably fuming like, oh, show her maybe he's gonna go there with Matt to slash her tires.

Everybody's got theories. He goes there and then possibly that she sees this guy coming over, maybe that this guy, Mark Goldman assumes like, oh, he's having, you know, maybe they're dating, he's gonna have sex with her, I don't know. And he might have seen, there's so many different ways it could have happened.

Now what's interesting though is that there's the stab wounds like the knife marks, they can't figure out, they think two knives were used. They've never found the knife. So there's been no forensics that can show you was it a machete, was it a switchblade, they don't know. But Brendan. It's two different cuts. I saw this on one of the documentaries

that his agent, Mike Gilbert. Yes. Had said he, OJ said to him, if she hadn't have come to the door with a knife, she'd still be alive. Yeah. Is there any truth to that? Well, it's, it's.

We can't verify it. Yeah, you can't verify it. I'll tell you what's really interesting is that on this podcast I do, we had a guy named Skip Junas on, and this is the most amazing thing. Skip Junas' wife handles is the most amazing thing. Skip Junas wife Handles American Airlines all celebrities. She'd walk in celebrities, you know back in 94 the cameras were around So if you're a celebrity and you don't want to be people coming up for autographs, she would take you there

He's there to pick up his wife. She's done it for 20 years. He's got a Miata parked behind the limo and He obviously recognizes that out of the limo, it's OJ Simpson. Oh, it's OJ that. And he notices without thinking, he's no biggie. He had this duffel bag, which I'll get into later, that I said he wouldn't let me touch to pack in his car. But anyways, he sees him go into this duffel bag

and go into a garbage can, all the way into a garbage can to here in his arm, just dropping something. That's strange. Who throws out something first of all? He was, he's done our show, he's totally legit. The detectives loved him. Marsh Clark did not use him.

So he made the mistake. I'm positive that he saw him put the knife. And Brian, this is interesting. So before the murders, he went, Kato went to McDonald's with OJ to get something to eat. So you knew OJ well. Hey man. I did. I lived on his property. I mean, I knew him. He lived on. But I never, look, I was my tax brackets doughnuts. He's Danish. No one knew him well, probably. Yeah. He was a kind, charismatic, you know, he was charming, but it wasn't where he said, Kato, hey,, he had charming but it was where he said Kato

Hey, what are we doing this weekend? Yeah, never but you went to McDonald's well. Well, he invited himself Yeah, I did the thing I used to run like if I had a 10 mile run, that's a that's a low day for me I did at least 15 and I played basketball that day. I was insane So he came to my door and just said hey, can you break a hundred dollar bill? I said, no, I can't, I have two twenties. And he goes, I said, God, I'm starving, can I go? And I swear to God, when I said that, he looked at me like, in his mind he's going,

see, when can I do a killing? He's gonna, that's what I'm thinking, in hindsight. And I knew immediately, I shouldn't have asked him. Then he goes, yeah, okay, sure. But it was so uncomfortable, I knew, I was like, he doesn't want me to go. So if he was a friend, it would be like no problem. And I was like, you know, this is O.J.,

I'm just this pool boy. No, not a pool boy. He was such a legit star. I don't know where we're going. I don't know, it's McDonald's. That's hilarious. I'm just in his Bentley, and he he's driving around and it ends up being a McDonald's which I don't even eat and I go I could get chicken So I got my chicken sandwich

He got like two quarter pounders and he ate his hands are like that big you just ate it So I waited I didn't want to eat the lemon I was the big thing and you know, did he measure Martha Clark said did he seem excited to be with you? I said, well didn't want to eat the lemon. That was the big thing. You know, did he, Marcia Clark said, did he seem excited to be with you? I said, well, wouldn't you? Yeah, yeah. So I go after McDonald's, I still have my food. He's still got his food.

And I walk to his, the driveway. I go to his door, like we're gonna eat in his kitchen. And I looked around, he's still 25 feet away at the, at his door. Like, where are you going? You're like, you're not coming in. So in my head, I'm going, that's so weird. What's he doing? Yeah.

So I went, I'll eat in my room. That was it. That was it. Now, after the murders, was he living at that house still? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Were you living in your place still?

I lived there and I moved out that the next day. Okay. Backstabbed. When I was at the, uh, with the cops for eight hours, I was there in the rooms like you see. Because the media must have been crazy. I mean, you had to get out of there. This will be the template for any trial. It was insanity. Let's take a little break. Can we take a break from chatting about OJ with Cato Cato? Yeah, and we'll get right back. But can I ask you who, who is scoring big in the NBA this season?

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When I did an event, this is after the popularity of what the media can do, I went to a mall in Terre Haute, Indiana, 12,000 people in this mall showed up for the autographs. I'm going, oh my god, 12,000 in a mall. And then I was invited to get an autograph. Fucking nuts. It was craziness.

And like the rocks are kind of signing stuff, but I knew, the way I was raised, I think the correct way, my parents, don't you dare sign boobs or anything. Yeah, yeah. Sign in knives and shit. Well you handled it. At least don't sign in mom's boobs.

But Cade, you handled it well. I didn't, I... You seem all right. You never lost your, you never lost yourself, you never lost your, you were always a sweetheart. I never ever, people would come up and go, like doctors, if you need a psychologist, let me know. And no, I just call my family, my best friends are still,

my best friends from high school are still my best friends today. Yes, that says a lot about you. I hope they graduate, but seriously, I, there's just, you know, we have friends, they keep you humble. Yeah, they do. They'll tell you that. What a strange, it was the beginning in a way of like, I don't think that would have,

I think with today's atomized sort of attention span, but back then. No, you can do it. The Johnny Depp trial was broadcasted. No, no, that's for sure. That's for sure. It just has to be that special. Yeah. Like this was the perfect storm because you have a, you have a celebrity. You might've been just as intense, huh? A hundred more. So if he did it today, it'd be, it'd be black and white, a celebrity.

It's the whole, everything happened. The pretty, pretty, pretty white girl, quite literally black and white too. Yeah. And it just, look, OJ's defense did a brilliant job using the you know The the sensation of the Rodney King stuff and bring it to this and make it about race Totally and so then it becomes polarizing. They do super sorry to jury. Yes He knew copy knew exactly how to plant the reasonable doubt They knew how to make you know, Dennis Fong was the DNA expert for the prosecution He did such a bad job that he's shaking hands after his testimony.

It's over with the defense. Yes. Like you guys are really good. Wow. So when you, when you were talking to these hardened, uh, experienced detectives, like Mark, like Mark, Mark Furman, he gets a lot of shit. Yeah. He was a bad ass man.

Mark Furman is no joke. Detective. You know, his life changed forever. Of, I don't know why he didn't say yes. Of course he was a badass man. Yeah. Mark from Joe. Detecting. You know, plenty, you know, his life changed forever. Of I don't know why he didn't say yes. Of course these, the N word he's working, you know, he, uh, with the documentary that, um, Jeffrey Toobin said that he found out he wanted to get his retirement early because he couldn't stand the crime and they show that he used the N word, so I don't know why he just say it. Well, guys like that have to deal with some of the worst

of the worst, right? How do you bring it home, right? Heartbreak, children crying, all that awful stuff. Highest divorce rate. I mean, it's tough being a copper detective. It's just time. And then he becomes the scapegoat. He became the focal point of this entire thing.

So his life got pretty jumbled up. Yeah, and we wrote bestselling books, and I think he's OK. But if he, on this Netflix special, it's just he admits like on the scapegoat, I was, my life has changed. And he goes, they go, how do you feel about people call you racist?

He goes, I have to accept that. He goes, there's nothing I can do to change that. On my tombstone, it will say, Mark Firm and the racist cop. He goes, there's nothing I can do now. Mine's gonna say, your 15 minutes are up. Anyways. Pick it up, boy!

I don't know, dude, that trailer you showed us of your new show. Yeah, well, we'll see if it goes, but yeah, it's- I mean, I don't, that seems like such a winner, and I'm not just bullshitting you. That trailer, we were both like, damn. I'm a crime nut, and when you were like, I'm gonna do a crime show, I'm like, oh god.

Wrong place, wrong time. Wrong place, wrong time wrong place wrong time It's so relatable because so many even senesce has a wrong place wrong time story everybody's I think it's the it's the person that's a third wheel in a crime and how important they are to the piece of the puzzle of how they fit into it and how your life can change for having nothing to do with the crime but being related to it because the Best example your life changed for the better in many ways, right? In a sense. I mean-

You made money off it and all that. Yeah, I mean I worked, so, Brian, you understand this, because you know these people. I was dear friends with a guy named Aaron Meyers, and Aaron was that new line of producer. I was hanging out, and I was getting readings, as an actor, getting like, you know, my first audition ever coming from Milwaukee

was a Coke commercial. I got my first audition, I got it. So I've had my sag card forever. So Aaron, who's a dear friend of mine, gives me a script and says you gotta, you gotta be in this movie. It's so you. So he's at New Line, is one of the executives, and we go out on weekends. Back then it was Rebecca's in Venice and doing, you know, single guys just working it. So I go in and I read and they like me, they read me again, a guy named Dan Montgomery. This is the week before the murders.

I'm so, I'm reading, my hair is long, I'm reading Dumb and Dumber. I don't know, it becomes this. Oh wow. So I'm reading it, I'm like, God, everything's kinda, I feel like my life has changed. I have to tell you, it sounds so corny and not believable. That week before I kept going,

God, something's happening. I think my career is gonna, I really, I swear to God, it was inside of me. I'm meeting all these people. Something big's gonna happen. They're looking at me differently. Oh, I've been there. I've been there for 30 years, but keep going.

Yeah, you're a star baby. I know all about this. Oh, you're a superstar. Yeah, I sure am. Then the murders, I was like, oh, I have to call I got they put me on tape and it I be for what which role I Well, I read for the Jeff Daniels role up for Harry. Yeah, I'm not gonna get that Jeff Jones is fantastic But they're they're kind of making me read other parts. Yeah Everything changed at the week the murders happened

I was and then when I finally got, like they saw my picture and I was on TV, I was a caricature, which I hated. I was like, since then. That was just a reading. So then? Dumb and Dumber, is that, what year was OJ? That was 1994 was Dumb and Dumber. Yeah, Dumb and Dumber was old school.

Yeah. But then, then you got typecasted. Then Hollywood go, we can't book this guy. Because everyone knows him. Everyone knows him. The time I had these lawyers that were disco, if you go to lunch at Paramount, they don't care if Tom Cruise is there. They're going to want to talk to you at that time.

Yes. I was more popular than Jesus. Yeah. So it was a. And it gets you nothing. But you weren't getting casted. You were just like, oh, that, that's the old I was getting readings But doesn't after the third or fourth time going the readings I knew it was just curiosity. It was just to meet me

That's right. And that's exactly it was it was just it's what whatever it was. I landed a radio show I was happy with and I was on the stern. It was stern before me and Ken over with a late comic who I loved he was on that it was me and that was like great gig then I landed a TV show we did 147 episodes of a thing called Eye for an Eye it was a judge with a baseball bat at Justice dearest friend of mine today Akeem Manasta-Pulo and it was a college college kid start noticing me for that was like the best feeling like hey where's OJ they was just going extreme keen yeah they forgot that was on well yeah because

that's what happened to the generation people are like oh yeah you know we 30 years ago whatever was we did the mad TV the first episode I was hosting you're you were the kindest man I mean I had a few of them I could feel there was a vibe of certain people that just didn't like me. Did you? Oh, they're the worst. I love all my castmates. Can I ask you, did I?

I know someone that still, things affect me. When I hear something negative, it affects me. I hate it because they don't know me. And it really like, might get upset with my feelings. Yeah, oh man, don't read the YouTube comments. But there was, so can you say that it was like? So I'll say this.

There was never anyone, and God bless my castmates on MADtv, and I love every one of them. They're all so talented. Yes. But they were a prickly bunch. And I was so happy to be there, and they weren't as happy. And they were a lot more experienced. To be on the show, or to be?

Yeah, they were a lot more. Because they wanted to be on Saturday Night Live, or Moving Columns? It was a lot more experienced. They'd been done a lot of stuff. I was such a newbie and I was a real, I was clueless and grateful. And I was just out of it. But when I would see someone like you come on, I'm like you.

I love people. And I also know that it's new for you. You're coming in to a bunch of comics that are sketch comics, talented, seasoned, and it's intimidating. So my job would always be to take someone like yourself and make you feel good. I did that with Brian Austin Green. I did that with a guy named Joe Rogan

because they were all making fun of Joe about being on news radio and media. I was like, what are we doing here, guys? Making fun of news radio is a big hit. Well, that's why Joe and I got so close because it was just, and Joe tells the story, it was just like, it was just Joe and I. Like I went, this guy is in the fighting, we had similar interests and you know, they probably lumped Joe and I in the same category

of kind of meathead guy. But God bless, again, my cast was great, I love them, but they were just a different, they resonated differently than I did. And certainly then, so I'm sure Kato, that when you came on, they were a little snobby in that you weren't a comedian or an actor in their mind. So they were like, all right, well we'll just do this thing. Meanwhile, you did a great job. I appreciate it.

And you really did. And it was an awesome episode. But I don't think anybody, everybody liked you though. Everybody liked you. Did you ever feel like, especially working with Brian, all those talented improv guys, did you ever feel like you didn't belong? Like because obviously your start and came from.

It was everything, I was my dream to do that. I know, but the dream, you got there, but you didn't get there the way you're. Oh, 100%. But, Brendan, the secret is none of us thought we belonged there. Like, when you're on a sketch... I understand that, but if you became a famous comedian

from somebody getting murdered, you'd feel different. Totally, I've said that before. I got there backwards. All that happened because of the most horrific reason two young people, beautiful people lost their lives. And there's nothing I could do. No. It's horrendous. the most horrific reason, two young people, beautiful people lost their lives. And I, there's nothing I could do. It's horrendous. What happened to me, I have no idea, just it

happened. And it was like, uh, do I not work the rest of my life or do I still go for my goal? You go. So still my, you know, I'm older and I'm still doing the same goal in my life. Nothing's changed for me. I'm the same exact person. And I love people. I give everybody the benefit of the doubt when there's, you know, I paid for it every day

because I really know what it feels like for it to be hated for no reason. For no reason. For no reason. Even, you know, I watch all the OJ stuff. I watch everything. I entertain even the conspiracies. I watch all of it.

And I had my preconceived ideas when he came out. I'm like, I bet he's not gonna wanna talk to OJ. I bet he's gonna be prickly. He's probably over it. And you know, you're fucking, you're great. You're awesome. I knew you'd be great. I think you became a victim to the fact

that you were a beautiful blonde male. You were a good looking, but you had the long hair and you looked like a dumb beach blonde surfer. So in the American narrative, you were Ken. You were, right? You were like the Barbie doll. So you're not, you know, you were there on MADtv because you were Ken who got caught up in this thing.

Nobody was gonna take you seriously by the way you looked. But they didn't realize he had the chops. Of course, well he's also, but what I know is that you were such an inherently decent guy By the way, you looked but they didn't realize he had the chops. Of course. Well, he's also Realize that you were such an inherently decent guy and you were such a nice human being and then what was really Compounded was that you you held your own and did a great job So for us it was I think that's what happened But the cops didn't do him any favors either because like we kind of knew right away It was in Kato answer doors like oh, you know, like they're making out to be this. Well, they called you a pool boy.

Well, yeah, and also when Billy Magnuson did the Fox series, the one, eight Emmys for the American Crime Story, Ryan Murphy. It's fantastic. So I don't know any actor that would not want to meet the person. And by the way, he was on other talk shows and he was speaking great things, like, oh my God, I love this guy. He said, I didn't want to meet the person and by the way he was on other talk shows and he was speaking

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He goes, no, I didn't do the casting and that, but they, you know, I think they kind of make up their mind and actor and says I'm gonna do them this way that's yeah yeah my goal that's fine yeah and do you know I didn't mind do you entertain any of the conspiracy theories I do because it keeps it alive you know like so I'll entertain some of it like it with the knives how it's two different knives they never found that how they're finding the evidence in the blood how they have that solution in it, all that stuff. The son did it, which I don't buy, you know?

I don't, yeah, I met a guy named William Deer. He wanted to have dinner, and he's the guy that had the Jason theory. And he said he was at Canadian Mountie Police, so he wrote a book. Do you know this? OJ's Guilty, but not murders. Let me feel him in.

Do you know the theory of, so he had an older son named Jason who was a chef, and Jason was supposed to make dinner for Nicole and the whole family that night, and they canceled last second, and he had a prior family on his record, had anger issues, so they figured, with them canceling dinner, he freaked out,

went to the house and killed her. Because he was a chef with knives. Yes. The whole thing, his book is called. It's a stretch, It's such a stretch. I would imagine it's a stretch because he would have left a fingerprint. He would have left something. I mean, a fingerprint meaning blood or something.

And there's no reason, first of all, for him to do that. It makes no sense. My thing about the DNA was- Hold on, B. But his DNA is the same, I think. It'd be the same, right? It would be different. Well, fingerprints would be different.

But then also, what's interesting about that too is the first thing OJ did, because there's some defense of OJ here, because the first thing OJ did, so he took the first flight out of Chicago when he found out that Nicole was murdered, whether he did it or not, he took the first flight out, missed the first available flight. Comes back, first thing he does is hire a lawyer for Jason. His first call was to hire a lawyer for his son. Because he fake, and now that could be like, well, he does have prior convictions. They're going to point towards him. So I want to make sure my son is safe.

I didn't hear that. I'd never heard that one. Well, so what I've heard- And then also, they also would not, and I'm not defending OJ. I'm just, these are the conspiracies. OJ, when the cops called him, he goes in, he had guns, I guess he had a bunch of guns. He goes, here's all my guns. He wasn't, they're saying he wasn't aware that she was murdered by a knife. So he gave up all the guns, like, here's all my guns. And they're like, we don't need those. He's like, why wouldn't you need these? Cause he figured she was shot.

So the, what I've heard from a book I read on this guy who was a detective, he said, no, he said that when people kill someone, a lot of times the first thing to do is they leave town. Like right away. See that doesn't work. OJ months prior to, cause he had a flight. It was a Hertz golf tournament. It was a golf tournament, yes.

I don't know, man. Which was booked out like months prior. I guess we don't know. My thing about the DNA. We kind of know when you look at the actual hardcore evidence. If he had been traversed that area a lot, because it was his house, wouldn't he have had his DNA there or no?

Well, but that's it. But his Ron Goldman's also his DNA. So they had all the end codes that was all. He fucking did. But also it was. And they're saying it was planned. It's like there's just no way the cops if all those detectives like came to that conclusion Those guys they see things we don't see but that also the crime scene was it wasn't handled great either

So they took a blanket from Nicole's bed, which has their DNA on it Nicole and OJ used to have sex on it So to cover the bodies they used that blanket. So OJ Simpson's that true. That's true. They did They made a bunch of mistakes bunch of never of mistakes. The guy never did a high profile crime and everybody's outside filming it. That's the difference. You see camera crews from all the new stations and they use that as evidence like where'd that blanket come from? And they show the blanket. It's stuff they shouldn't have done and that's why the defense was like hold hold on, look at this. Well, this wasn't there the night of the murders, but now it's there.

Where'd that come from? Like, well, we took a blanket from his bed to cover the bodies. Like, well, there's DNA all over there. So now the OJ's, you know, maybe semen blood, uh, hair strands, skin cells, Nicole skin cells, all that, that's all in the body now. So now we can't tell. I, my only connection and I've told you the story, is I bought a sweater from Ron Goldman's father

in Arizona in the Nordstrom. He was working in Nordstrom. And he was such an, it sounds silly, but it didn't dawn on me until he said, have a good day. And I think I invited him to my show. And I saw his mustache and I saw the look in his eyes and I went at the show or at the now when he gave me and I held on to that sweater for a long time but he had that deep deep sadness in his eyes he really did because all of us you and I have

have sons man and you can my kids are out I'm out yeah take me in you can kill me and and You can my kids are out. I'm out. I'm out. Yeah, take me in you can kill me and and That was a man who loved you know if you'd have boys or children you understand And that's what I think about all the time. Yeah, I know I think about him all the time. Do you know him? Yeah, I met him a few times. He's always been kind to me and Kim I did her show and she was great So here's the thing I always had that I told Kim and it's bothered me this last 30 years and she said, you can't think that way. I see. Which way?

Of the story of how I feel like I invited myself to McDonald's and screwed up all this timeline because I could feel, in hindsight I'm going, he didn't want me to go and that. Well this was before or after? This is before. Right. Way before. So maybe he came to my door at that time He didn't want me to go and that would this was before after this is before right before so maybe his ex Maybe he came to my door at that time

Be of getting a change for 100. That's what you're holding an alibi Yes, like kato saw me at the correct and I just invited myself So you think this was part of the pre-plan thing this so he I think he's trying to get an alibi of one I saw him. I think he's thinking that so wait He so you think see is all I think this was did you think this was a premeditated murder? I? Think it was him going there for some reason and it ended up being a murder. No, but I'm confused I I think maybe you ate at McDonald's Prior to the murder prior to the bar right before he's right before right before yeah

So this is this is the McDonald's Drive what however much time it took what time was it? Prior to the murders. Prior to the murders. Right before. Right before. Right before. Yeah, so this is the McDonald's drive, however much time it took. What time was it? So he probably dropped me off at 9.30. So McDonald's probably- AM or PM? AM. It was PM. Oh, fuck.

This is at nighttime. Wow. So, you know, the transcripts got the time. And so I invite myself, knowing they didn't want me to go there and I think by that pause He's thinking in his head, you know, he's calculating I can still get it done. That's what I thought So I told her I go I feel like at that and she goes that I screwed up there that you know Ron would been there no cuz you have to wait till you get off work to go He had a history of abusing her right? Yeah. I met in 93 98

He had a history of abusing her, right? I met in 93, in 98, 89 is when he beat her up. She kept the pictures in her safety deposit box over her bruises and meter. Men who beat women like that. Are going to do it again. Kill women. Yeah, they said that. Eventually, yeah. So the most dangerous man in your life a lot of times is the man you're dating.

You know Rob Kardashian who's really, who knows who's close to OJ, but Rob Kardashian who was a lawyer. Robert father the father of Kim Kardashian Robert Kardashian passed away from cancer, but prior to all this you know he wasn't dying he Got recertified to represent OJ and then they had OJ do a lie detector test Which he failed miserably and that's when Robert was like oh, that's one of him goes Oh shit He did it and they actually didn't talk after the trial. I got it because I became in front of Tom Lang I got this go down to this warehouse where he had all this evidence

Oh, man, I'd love to see that as the interrogation tape wasn't used And if you ever want to hear a guy that you is guilty, it's him So Veneta plays like good cop bad cop and what they did is they start going? OJ, we're fans, we love your career, the 2,000 yard season. Stroke the ego. Stroke the ego, and he loves that. Because he kept messing up, right? They're like, how'd you get that cut on your hand? He kept changing the story. I've heard some of it. Like, told you I'm a nerd with this stuff. I've heard some of

this. So, they go, they're stroking his ego, and then one of them just goes, man, he got that cut on his hand. That must suck. He goes, oh, ego, and then one of them just goes, man, you got that cut on here. That must suck. He goes, oh yeah, I did it. I was working, cutting some lawn, and I cut, and they go, oh cool, 20 minutes go by. And the guy goes, man, that cut looks really bad. You want to band-aid? How'd that happen?

And OJ, you know, the stroke of his ego, he goes, when I found out Nicole was murdered, I took a glass and smashed it in the hotel room. They go, oh, interesting. So his story's like- Yeah, then it changed on the thing also where he asked the cop, that was his buddy, Ron Shipp, who said, he knew it was the, he said it was a glass. But then he asked, so he overheard him

ask someone asked the same question. He goes, I was chipping golf balls, but I screwed up my hand. So he had three different stories. The guy is all over the place. But it's all on tape of his interrogation. It's amazing. Let's take a little break, B B. Yeah people who are losing their hair

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He said, the good thing about telling the truth is you have to remember one story. Correct. When you're a liar, you gotta remember all the stories. Over and over in details, especially when it comes to a murder. Fuck off, yeah. Wow. To me, it gives me such a heavy depressed feeling.

Yeah. It's just, it's so awful on so many fronts. I want O.J. never to have done it. I want Nicole and Ron Goldman to be alive. I want kids to be I want him to still be doing hurts commercials Yeah, I mean, you know what I'm saying. It was he was don't forget. He's got everything bigger than I know today in football He's doing NFL game. He's got commercial. It's like he was in naked guns. He was hilarious Do you know a great naked gun story was um that I've told before so David Zooker's for did I know I did I did naked gun three or whatever the fuck yeah so I'd baseball David's from

Wisconsin where we I love basketball we're all we're all what's got Wisconsin people are very tight yeah stick together you got cheese heads and we David and I love my dad's from Brown Deer, by the way. So David, again, Brown Deer was gone? Yeah. Oh my God, this is great. Come on, baby, come on. Best friends. Best friends. As we go to, I love Brian again,

we go to David, I'm getting married, and David offers his house. Wow. And he walks by. In Ojai? My wife is not Ojai, but in the one in Brentwood, which I have not been in Brentwood since the crum. Wow. I stayed away.

So David walks down his back lawn and gave up his house and Akim, who I mentioned, Akim and Astapula, who did the judge, he married us, the courtroom judge. And it was the coolest thing to have this whole Wisconsin group and all these other people. So I did a speech and I told David, thank you for giving us this beautiful home for nothing you gave us and thank you more so for not inviting Nordberg.

So anyways, it was OG's character. And that's when he was alive, sorry, I'm telling the joke. And David goes, love it! No! My mind's possessed. Those guys, the Zucker brothers, hilarious. And the Fairly brothers. Yeah.

So those are the two directors that I've known a little bit, just a little bit. Right. And they're great fucking guys. They're so down to earth, it's ridiculous. You know that. The guys did something about Mary. I know that.

Do you know that when they directed something about Mary, that was their first directing, right? I got a good story on this. They called David and asked him how to direct before that. They tell that story. It's an open story. Well, dude, so their family, their Iris, the Fairleigh brothers, and their super Iris,

their dad was a doctor, and they're just like, all they would do is fuck with each other, literally. And the brothers were so, they would drive their parents nuts, right? I would tell you a story where, I think it was Peter Fairleigh comes in. Have you heard this story? He comes in. No, no, where I think it was Peter Farrelly comes in. Have you heard this story comes in? No, no, but they're watching, they're watching Sunday morning football. His son comes in and he goes, he goes, ah, oh Jesus. Oh my God. He

goes, what's the matter? He goes, my ass is killing. He goes, what do you mean your ass? He goes, just the inside, my asshole is just really hurt. And he, and his father goes, what are you talking about? Why? He goes, I don't know man, it's just really hurting. I can't even sit, I gotta sit like this. And so his father goes, where, speak English. Your ass, the outside, no, no, the inside, my asshole. He goes, your asshole hurts like this, like that badly? And you just woke up?

He goes, yeah, I just woke up and it's killing me. And he goes, God damn, let me see your asshole. He goes, no, I don't want to see. He goes, let me see your asshole. This is, you. And he goes, God damn, let me see your asshole. And he goes, no, I don't want to see it. He goes, let me see your asshole. This is, you don't fuck around with this stuff. Let me see your asshole. So he's watching football. And Peter drops Trout, opens his legs, spreads his cheeks,

and there's a condom in there. And his father goes, oh my God, God damn it. Show your mom, show your mom. And he calls his mom. That's the family. They were just, anything for a laugh. Damn it show your mom show your mom He calls his mom That's the family they were just anything for a laugh anything for a fucking loud. They're just hilarious That's the old joke though dad. I just had sex the first time my life said we got to celebrate with a beer Yeah, I sit down have a beer because I can't sit my ass

Bill Murray has this I golf those some of those tournaments He has one in st. Augustine, Florida the golf Hall of Fame, so I did that and Bill Murray has this, I golfed those, some of those tournaments. He has one in St. Augustine, Florida, the Golf Hall of Fame. So I did that and the Farreles are there. I told the Farreles that story about that. I became friends with them through that golf outing. And then years ago, I saw them at the Super Bowl and it was in Houston where New England played Carolina. So it was a long time ago.

And they invited, they, that was kind of like, I'm still out in the news and popular. So they see me in Houston at the restaurant, they invite me to their table, and I tell them the story about, you know, reading for their film. And so from that moment, like you said, these guys are just great, I would love to work with them.

Oh, they're great, they're so great. I'm so blessed that you get to do that. Yeah, they just let you go, and yeah, that's fantastic people. Were you into true crime that you get to do that. Yeah, they just let you go and yeah, that's Special fantastic people. Yeah, were you into true crime before all this? Oh Jay suffer you just kind of got put in a box into it. I was so into it I was into like all serial killers. Yeah back to even was got because Wayne Gacy was that You should Chicago, but he didn't we had Dahmer which is exactly where he lived in Milwaukee But he came over. And then we had Dahmer, which is,

I knew exactly where he lived in Milwaukee. Geez. Is near Marquette University. That's right. And so I was always like, it is fascinating, the show. And you think that that's all because of how they were raised. But I think in the Dahmer case, I think like, you know, his parents were kind of great parents.

His dad had fantasies of murder. Killer, yeah. Oh, I didn't know that. Yeah, this is, serial killers have something wrong with their brain, man. Oh, way. Something happened where they get a sexual charge. Oh, I didn't know that. Yeah. This is serial killers have something wrong with their brain. Oh, way. Something happened where they get a sexual charge. Oh, yeah.

I think it's like- If you can do that to children or people, I mean, you're- And I think, I don't want to skip political, but like transgenders, the whole Buffalo Bill from Silence of the Lines. Yeah. They're already kind of crazy. Yeah. And I don't think, I think this, to them, murder

is, it's easy. Yes. And there's no. Well, that was Ted, that was taken from Ted Bundy where he would have us cast on his arm. And can you help me with this couch? I mean. Oh yeah.

And then die. I'm all. Yeah. Diabolical. And also the, the other, the torch, uh, BTK, the worst of the worst. Yeah. Yeah, that guy.

I was talking to Brandon earlier about the, uh, don't give initials to serial killers. It gives them, you know motivation. It's like the B buying torture kill Yeah, the KFC night stalker put you in a bucket RSVP killer I can't kill you tonight. I'll be there tomorrow zodiac killer But zodiac killer was horrible I'm fascinated. I don't yeah, man. When you be original dirty Harry the zodiac killer zod horrible. I'm fascinated by that one. The original Dirty Harry, the Zodiac killer.

Zodiac killer's interesting. They never caught it. It's probably dead by now. They did and they didn't. The cops in NorCal actually had a suspect, but they didn't have enough evidence to book them. But there's been enough evidence from eyewitnesses that they kind of know who the guy is.

I think he worked in a hardware store and died of a massive heart attack before they could actually catch him. But all the evidence points towards him. The Zodiac Killers, that movie by David Fiege or whoever it was. Fincher? Fincher is a really interesting script. It's all right, yeah.

Well, he's not as bad, cause he was in doing gruesome stuff like the Night Stalker, BTK, or Dahmer. Yeah, but he would write to the families. He got off on writing letters. No, he'd write to the newspaper. But he would also send letters to the father of a woman he killed.

There's a lot of those killers that do those, they write stuff there. There's a film, if you guys see it, I think it's great. It's called The Mean Season. Do you ever see that? Kurt Russell, where it's the true story of the killer in Miami during the hurricane season. And I can't believe I haven't seen that one.

It's like none of the best. Really? The mean season. Oh wow. And it's a true story of the killer. He's a serial killer and you do it during hurricane season? Yeah, and Richard Jordan, he's passed away, but Richard Jordan is the best.

He's the serial killer, but it's all based on this guy who was killing all these. Oh fuck, I remember him. who was killing all these oh fuck I remember him. Yeah killing all the people in in Miami and Not get caught but he actually in the true story called he's doing everything He's becoming Kurt Russell's the reporter for the Miami Herald Yeah, and he gets all the fame because he's doing the story and I was just only writes him Oh, it's the killer is getting jealous and they're trying to plan story and the killer is writing him. Oh, interesting. So the killer is getting jealous

and they're trying to plan a scene. The killer is homosexual. Writing all the things that he's not upset him. So he wants to kill him. Oh, wow. And that's based on it. And so he goes, there's a clue. The killer gives him a clue of

this might be the killer, he's in a trailer park. So the killer is dressed in character and saying, I know the killer. he's Kurt Russell's in the room with the killer doing this, talking to him, but he's feeling a strange vibe. Like this guy's easy for real. He doesn't get killed, but the killer gets all the mean scenes.

Interesting. Yeah. They, they kind of stop. They kind of stop polarizing, uh, serial killers. Like you haven't heard of one like the, you know, the, the Zodiac killer and to your point point the BTK and all that night stalker like they kind of stop doing that in media I think it's cuz there's like 53 active killers right now serial killers in America 53. Yeah, LA has the most serial killers 53 I'm gonna find out even more today. The thing is it's different now because social media and cameras everywhere

It's hard for that. It's hard for them. They've got a still doing to art smart everybody They got to be really smart technology and where you know, I think this Brian Colbert thing the interesting The man in Idaho and I was this Oh Brian Colbert. Oh, yeah We're gonna probably do that guy was that guy was if it's him, which I think it was him He went you can see him at the at the sort of Memorial well, you know how he got caught, right? Because he- The pings, obviously.

He left everything- He majored in criminology. He was interested in it. But there's a Facebook group started by people in the area. And the cops look at this stuff, the FBI looks into it. So they're seeing all the comments on it. Then there's one profile that was listing things that they haven't released to the public yet.

They went, we need to look into this and that's one of the ways they got them. I think my theory, okay, my theory is using criminal law and I think the guy's trying to outsmart everything and want to see if he could come up with the perfect crime. Yes. I really think he was that. He shows that of, he goes, I can get away with this and I'm gonna prove it. Did he meet one of the girls? I think at one point maybe he was heavier

and maybe he was picked on, bullied or whatever. Where she turned him down. But then he lost weight, turned him down but he had that knee. Yes. How many people did he kill? A whole house, four, yeah. Four, I think.

Four. Two and. And there's so much blood when they walked up, there's blood coming out of the, like into the, out of the house. This is why I think I want to buy my daughter a bite trained dog. Just have that dog with you all the time. A bite trained dog?

Yeah. And then the dog by somebody and you have a lawsuit. So there's no way there's no, that's a random thing. It's gotta be a command though, right? Yeah. The bite. Yeah. I'm just being, you know. Yeah. Stay, sleep.

That's not good. He's a trained killer. Just the dog is, you know. I thought there was a pillow. At least the dog goes, hey, hey, hey, you know. Yeah, but then they just wait till they leave and if they wanna get him, they get him, yeah. But as far as the house.

There's so many things. But the most active one that they can't figure out is that smiley face killer. Are you familiar with that? Started in Boston, came to Austin. No. Oh,. Was he drowning gay men? Yes. Is it true? Yeah. Yeah. But they don't know if those men died because they were drunk, right? Well, but in Boston too, there's men that keep getting killed. So the smiley face thurie also- Go ahead. Is he caught? No, no, they haven't. They think it's more than one. Smiley face killing, smiley face gang is a theory

advanced by retired New York City detective Kevin Gannon. Let's see, a criminal justice. All right. It alleges that 45 young men found dead in bodies of water across several mid-eastern American states from the late 1990s to 2010s did not accidentally drown as concluded by law enforcement. The victim, they were victims of one or multiple serial killers. They've never caught him. It's still going on.

You know what he is, don't you? A really bad lifeguard. There's a chance. He's just trying his best. There's a chance. You know what, Cahill? Yeah. He's just trying his best, but he's really bad.

He just didn't know how to do it properly. No running, it's slippery. Hey, I'm going to kill you. He didn't know how to do a proper... No running, it's slippery. Hey, I'm gonna kill you. He didn't know how to do a side stroke with somebody under his arm. The guy's really shallow. Yeah. I like the...

I think they found... I can't remember how they found one guy who said he was a FBI profiler, and they found a girl dead by the river or something, or a couple of girls, and he said, you will find him him you will find him at the spot. He'll be on the banks jerking off Yeah, they come back they come back to it and a guy came back and he was jerking off Yeah, and because he was looking down and they found the guy that doing that. That's how they got him They go. I love and this yeah profilers. Have you talked to any of those guys? I have Richard Walters. I bring up Richard Walter. Yeah, we've had a lot on our show, we've had a woman who's in charge of genealogy

where she'll be working on the Cole Burger case. Cause that's how they caught the Golden Gate killers through that genealogy, DNA through 21andMe. This guy is incredible. Wow. He is so, this is the guy they bring in. Is he alive? Yeah, I think so.

I don't know, but he's- I don't think so. I listened to him interviewed and he's the guy that Scotland Yard brought in. Scotland Yard, they showed him, it couldn't solve this case, they showed him a still shot of the crime scene. He said it was the father, the boy had been molested, that barber molested his 12 year old son and then he cut his penis, he bashed him him in the head cut his penis off and threw it in the trash Because that's what he did because you did that to my son

I'm gonna throw your dick away and that's and turns out that's exactly what it was and and and Scotland yard was like holy shit But think how hard is to be a serial killer this day and age like back in the 90s with no cell phones It was kind of eye witness like they didn't have fingerprints or DNA well you know talking to Tom Lang if serial killers they always will prey on prostitutes normally because they have no family usually yeah and there's no way that no one's gonna report it miss them and nobody nobody cares yeah so they don't really investigate because uh it's it's an easy getaway for them so it's prostitutes

then also Native Americans. If you've looked at how many Native American women have gone missing from the reservation, it's mind blowing. And no one brings it. It's their own. Well, it's a different, yeah, it's all their own. jurisdiction. Exactly. No one looks into it. There's so much violent crime, especially toward women there.

Yeah. But have you seen the odds of you getting caught for murder in America? No. Odds aren't bad. Yeah. It's like 50%. In Mexico, it's 80%. You get away with it.

Did you get away with it? Eight out of 10 get away with it. Here it's 50. But now I feel like with DNA and cameras. So I was talking to a guy who was an FBI guy who dealt with cold cases. And I was trying to come up with a thousand ways. So I said to him, I said, so. Thousand ways to get away?

Yeah. So I said, so if I, if I'm in the woods and I have, uh, and with a thousand ways. So I said to him, I said, so- A thousand ways to get away? Yeah, so I said, so if I'm in the woods and I snipe somebody from a thousand yards away or whatever it is, I said 500 yards. He said, that's very cool. We can tell, so I would look at- They would ping. The navigation in the car.

Well, I would look at where it was. I'd look at, no, he says, if you did all that, I'm saying we could tell by the entry of the bullet and where it was, I'd look at, no, he says, if you did all that, I'm saying, we could tell by the entry of the bullet and where it was that we'd go, okay, that bullet came from this far away. Right. Yeah. So they would do a vector.

They'd find where you were with dogs and they would take all those leaves and everything up in that area. They'd sweep it all up and bring it back to a lab and find your DNA. But you can get away with that, but your cell phone's. If phones in rain though, but your cell phones pinging off so they can track your car your car the navigation Yeah, I said I took all that in account But in your theory your theory is you can get away with it if you don't your phone But you have no connection to someone you're just out in the woods. Yes, so then usually no connection though

No, no, I'm saying Right if you just had a thing random a person I mean it's unsolved cases of people that but what they do though one out of 10,000 But what they do is when you shoot somebody like that They'll look at they'll look at traffic cams and they'll find your car. They do a cover No, so it's car circling around so many. Yeah, just find your car going by that house Well nowadays when your driver's license or your license plate is always being recorded. So there are cameras right now. Every time you make a right onto another street, the camera catches you and runs your plate.

I mean, if you wanted to get away with it, you could rent a car from, I'm not telling people to do this. You could rent a car and it has to be a random shooting. You could drive to Griffith Park, literally from far distance, shoot them. Don't bring your cell phone, nothing. It'd be very tough. But they'd be able to find your rental car and then trace it back to your name. If you have no ties, they're just going to check all rentals? How do they know it's a rental car? So what they do is they run your plates because they get your plates. The car's there.

Someone would get your plates. There's some kind of tape now people can use that looks like your car It's still reads cameras can't read. Yes. There's a some someone in very Yeah, crazy stuff that goes on out of trying to to block your license block your license You can read it but a camera can't yeah, it's pretty bizarre Wow Do you know the reading of the plates it's because there's only a thing the other story is the girl Jill Shively Who's been in our show? she's the one that is

on the night of, she sees the Bronco, this car coming with no lights on, running the red light. She sees it because it almost hits her, it goes up on the curb and it's a, the guy shouts out a winner, get out of my way. And she recognized the voice and memorized the license plate, called it in as a drunk driver. She was, that's, I just saw him naked gun. That's OJ Simpson. She calls in as a drunk driver. So the record, that's another thing that they couldn't use that because she took his time

of the car coming probably from Bundy. Yes. Exactly. That's OJ. But that sounds like he said, Brian, they couldn't use that because she took $10,000 in a 2020 interview So what you do that five thousand from hard copy there you go, and she gave it to charity. Yes, so they didn't use it They can use it still it's still a fact. It's a fact. Yeah, these are

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she just wrote the license plate and called it in and said there's a drunk driver before he rolled his window down. So it's- It's funny how with cases and law, it's so different than what you think, right? There's so many moving parts and they can basically disqualify evidence based on-

Well, only because OJ's OJ, because he had the money to put together that. Basically the Marvel Avengers of lawyers. Because if he was just a normal average Joe, he's guilty. He's gone. Oh, they're not gonna make that. Those guys were sowing the seeds.

I remember it was a Time Magazine, I think, cover that said sowing the seeds of doubt. And you see. I mean, he went broke from doing it. You know, he did broke. Yeah. That must've cost him millions of autographs, five million a week or so. It was like 5 million a week. Oh, he made millions.

No, he's signing autographs because he has agent in the show. Mike, but that money, he couldn't take that money. I thought, right? Uh, yeah, you can, you can, because you're signing your, your OJ, you're not making money off the crime. You're just a civil case. Yeah. He had seeds making money off the crime. You're just making money. Seeds of doubt, that one. The trial begins. That's a great picture.

Great job in producing this thing. Yeah, he's a seasoned vet. But in the documentary they show Nicole's sister. Have you received a dime from that civil case? She goes, not a single dime. We've never received any money. Yeah, his thing was he's never going to pay it. Well, that's the other thing you see with lawyers. There are people that will put all their money in somebody else's name, or they just won't pay. And it's really hard for the judge.

They can start freezing your assets the way they did with Giuliani and selling off your assets. But there are 1,000 ways to stall that shit. But also OJ had a pension where they couldn't touch either. Also, yeah. Also when, when you do win things, your lawyer then goes to work on parsing out every little detail and it's, you know, you don't want to be. My friend said, I've never seen a lawsuit work out for anybody.

It's not nobody. Yeah. No lawyers win. That's not good. Nobody wins. Yeah, nobody wins. That's the money. Frank Azar wins. Yeah. The Bulldog.

Yeah. That's old school. Damn. Kato, how long do we have you? You got to get out of here? No, you got a minute. I've got to drive an hour to my next show if I can get out by like 1.45.

We'll go by any time. You like any? Yeah. Okay. You're great. Man, I got you like a show. If it's all this stuff. We don't have to go.

You know what I mean? It's called a magic mind. You ever have this? No. So it's great. It basically increases flow. It's not caffeine. It's got matcha in it.

And different matcha. It's like a nootropic for your brain. All healthy. I'll drink two of these at least. It's a, okay, I'll try it.. It's like a nootropic for your brain. All healthy. I'll drink two of these at least. Okay, I'll try it. Yeah, it's all. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It increases flow and focus and it's-

It drives like Mario and Dredi. Get a little pump, it's great. OJ wouldn't have hit the curb if he drank one of these. Tastes good. Kato, do you still talk to anyone from that time period of your life? Like his kids or anyone? I talked to, I had a show just last week.

Tanya, her sister, Tanya Brown. So that's our episode of One Degree Scandals. She's up 30 years, I haven't seen her. So we did the show and they did their lifetime show. The sisters did their own special. It was on the Lifetime Network. But not the kids at all. Do you know how they're doing?

I know Justin's in the news now because he won't leave his dad's place. I don't know what's going on. I don't know what's going on. And she is having her second child. And she's smart, right? I think so. She's in Florida. So that's all I know. But I Tonya to please give him my best. Yeah Awesome. Did you ever talk to OJ afterward or never never once? No, nope. I

I never I saw him in the deposition for the civil trial and that was it and we're in the bathroom and this is after I talked two hours about Telling truth about him and his, which wasn't all good stuff, and then we're in the bathroom together by ourselves, and I'm taking a pee. So he's taking, he walks in, and I couldn't pee, because I just got, like, we're in alone now. He is just him and I in this bathroom at the deposition,

and I just, he just goes, hey, what up? And just after I just, then I said, I was peeing, washed my hands, and I left. That was nothing to say, nothing to say. So what did you say that was not so good? That his character? Well, his character, I told, I just basically, they asked me all the questions about his mood.

I told basically my testimony and they, at that time now, the civil, my opinion already came out that I think he's guilty. So he knew that going in. Geez. That's fair. That's fair. Just being honest. Yeah. So did everybody.

I think so too. You know when he asked with DNA, when he said DNA to him meant dude needs alibi. So I don't know. Jesus. Yeah. There's a lot going on. Yeah, his ego and narcissism was wild. Narcissists never think they're gonna get caught. He had a huge ego he loved.

Yeah, of course. The people that I, if I had a girl and they brought her by the place He always tried to hit on them always right in front of me Yeah, so when when they say when narcissists are finally convicted, you know what? They're the first reaction is they can't rise. Yeah, they can't believe it. They look up like this What the fuck? How about OJ when it when you know, all the fans were rushing to Brentwood rushing to the property and They're leaving he goes. How did all these n words get here? It's it yeah, and then they're like you're black. He's like, I'm not black. I'm OJ like whoa

This dude is because he's not the reservation over. Yeah, he had no color. So people White and black would they like this the perfect spokesman. Yes Everyone loved him. He was but then he gets found guilty There was found innocent and obviously white people like dude this guy clearly murdered Nicole But then he started leaning towards the black side because they you know, they yeah Yeah, what was his life? Do you know what his life was like after that? He did everything wrong. He got the luckiest break of his life. Yes being you know Reasonable doubt he got out. He should have never been seen.

He should have just gone and done his own thing. Golf, do your thing. And he did, he didn't, he just did stuff in public. And he had- He was so used to being a star. When you hang out with people that do bad things, you're gonna do bad things. He hanged out with more criminals,

that's why Vegas locked him up. Yes. He hanged out with more, like, people that were just bad. Wow. He did that, then he, you know, he didn't, he had a ghost ride, but the If I Did It book, like all that tasteless stuff. He did that, then he, you know, he didn't, he had a ghost ride, but the, if I did it book like all that tasteless stuff, he did rap videos. Yeah.

He was in the club all the time. So women still loved them though. He still had a ton of girls. I figured out that in life that I have this really positive outlook that I noticed that when you're positive and fun, crazy people start liking, like they, they want to be part of it. and I did a So in my height of being like world famous and everybody wanting to meet I mean stories that would just blow you away with a

Chic offer me 20 million to move to Saudi Arabia. So now I get a phone call from the publicist I was a guy named Lee Salters He handled like Frank Sinatra in the heyday, but Michael Jackson and now he had me and he said this guy Phil Spector called and wants you to meet at his recording session and I was like Phil Spector I love the Beatles I love John Lennon I was like yeah the wall of saw I knew everything about Phil Spector it's like this is great and and. And I also knew Julian Lennon, Julian John Son, and I hung out with him at the Marquis Hotel at the Whiskey Bar, which was everybody.

Are you a musician? I mean, I play a little piano and guitar, but I couldn't release an album, but we'll talk. Yeah. So I go, true story, don't know him. I get invited to this Sunset song, which every album, everything top of the world are made. He's doing Celine Dion's Christmas album.

And I don't really know, I don't listen to that music. But I go, she's world famous, and I go there and there's an a list of celebrities So they're watching this album from I just remember people like Danny DeVito is there Penny Marshall. This is when they're their heyday Brian Wilson the Beach Boys It was like 13 people so I walk in and That thing you feel like why is he here negative, and I'm invited by him, and I could feel like people like him and people hating.

So Phil Spector and Celine Dion's husband, Renée's there, and there's a big mixing board. He gets this guy, he goes, get up, Cato Kaelin, you sit here, I love your energy. Wow. And I sit next to him, and he's insane. He made Celine Dion, I'm not making this up, at least 60 times do the same. Note over and over.

Note over and over. And you could feel the tension of everybody and Renee, her husband's going, Phil, it's enough. He goes, this is not enough. And he starts getting this thing where he goes crazy in the room. So I'm there now, this is going on for at least six hours. I'm there six hours and I thought it was just gonna be an hour.

So I go to the bathroom to pee. I go and then the green day is there and they're just starting. And they go, Gato, we gotta do a picture. So I'm walking around studio, studio doing photos and the publicist walks out and goes, Gato, get in there, he's going, he won't start until you're there.

He won't start until you're there. He won't start until you're there. And that was more hatred for me. So I sit down and I feel like I can't leave. So I stayed there all night after everybody left. He said, you're not leaving. We're gonna go out and- Like, dude, I gotta go home. So I go out another day with him at the same session.

And at that time, Matt Sorem, Guns N' Roses, is my buddy. Matt, I bring him, I go, he goes, he wants to meet Phil Spector. I go, Matt, come with me to his sound mix. So I introduce Matt, and Matt and him hit it off, and he goes, he gets rid of the drumming, goes, Matt, you play drums on the song. He was a brilliant producer. You know a lot about Phil Spector.

Yeah, you know about the shooting. Yeah. Yeah, this is way before. This is way before. So just so you know about the shooting. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah This is you know, this is way before you so just just say no be what it hey B Just say no that that room so Brian Williams from the from the Beach Boys, you know his connection with Charles Manson So that whole room is all Jew voodoo, whatever. Yes, I'm dark arts go now I don't know this guy's gonna going to commit a murder ever. And I'm hanging out.

Oh, none of us do. None of us do when somebody does. I'm at certain events with him. He invites me into his house and I got a buddy of mine from Milwaukee that he's like loving it. I go, hey, we're getting invited to the Tyson fight at his house. Jesus. And he had these candles lit because I guess his son died when John Lennon got killed.

And he's the God's father of Julian. Or Sean. And Phil Spector's son died. Yeah. And he is the Godfather, him and John Lennar are best friends. So they named Phil Spector was Godfather to Sean, I think. Anyways, I had a few times we had gone out, I wanted to leave and he puts a gun on the table. I was not a witness in this trial. I was going, please don't make me a witness in this trial. It's going, please don't make me a witness in this trial. Yeah. It's insanity.

But I told a story where we go to Ringo star's house, uh, for a big party and he won't go inside the house. True story. I've said this before. He won't go inside until the host invites you in like a vampire. This was, this was, uh, Phil Spector.

He was, he was a little fucking nuts. You think? Crazy. The wigs. Well, he got, I found out that he was and then a posse of friends fucking not you think crazy the wigs Well, you got I found out that he was and then I kind of stopped to hang me out But I went on enough to know I I was afraid for my life many times Interesting hang out even when his limo driver took me I always felt like My this is where I'm gonna get killed. Yeah, it never could figure him out. He died too, right died in prison

I think yeah, he got a picture of two two This is where I'm gonna get killed. Yeah, it never figures him out. He died too, right died in prison I think yeah, he got a picture of two two. Yeah the of all those wigs he wore wigs, huh? Yeah, you wear we're waiting no news. I yeah, but I didn't know the first time that was a wig Look at him. Look at him. Those are the wings. I mean, that's clearly that's clearly one where he did the finger in the outlet But he'd obviously lost his mind. Yeah, like you can see it. He was also narcissistic He's not all there Yeah, and the gene and everybody uh, you know, he had the history of violence too because his wife was Ronnie Specter You know the Eddie money song just like Ronnie says Oh my little baby

That was his dad sure home tonight. I inspector was in a group called the the sharp chinets are Well, they can see it but she divorced because there was violence in their marriage He was married to her. Yeah He is a strange Ronnie Specter see she's the name the Ronettes Wow, they had some great songs, too So I kept singing I knew Robert Blake. You guys want me to go on? It's like all these people. Wait, there's a common denominator in my head.

Don't hang out with Kato. Yeah, Brian's gonna murder somebody. Be careful tonight everybody, please. I said, why don't they just call me for a CSI? Have a cardboard cut on every crime scene of Kato. God, man. It's so bizarre. So Ron, special.

I just knew him from the Playboy Mansion. Robert Blake. Oh my God. I just knew him. He was in Mansion. Who else? Robert Blake. Oh my God. He was in my acting class. But I only was in there one time when he was there and he came back and thanked everybody. You guys know some murders, huh?

For supporting him. Yeah, I don't know one. Yeah, I think in life, you've walked by people that have been. 100%. I always think that thought of, do you think you ever go into like a store? Yeah.

You go and you walk by someone's probably killed someone I think He was not a good guy. What did you say the other day Brian? You're like any hotel room you go into just know someone committed suicide or died in there. Yeah Yeah, that's we all good She took as my buddy my buddy who spent a lot of time in war zones said You these people don't understand how lucky they are that we have rule of law. And he said, within a two block radius,

there are people that you know that are your neighbors that would kill your children if it was. Oh, in other countries for sure. That's what it is. In life, the bad person who does terrible things is probably three doors down from you sometimes. It's not that rare when everything breaks down. The thing about war is the real sociopaths not only come out of the woodwork. They take advantage of it.

Yeah, they're like, this is my chance to kill people. Go time. Yeah, and get away with it. That's why they all go. So you hear about ISIS doing terrible things. Yeah, it's the people that come from all over the world to go, I get to kill people. Correct. And now we have a mission. There's like-minded others. Yeah, it's the people that come from all over the world to go, I get to kill people. Correct. And that's what they do. And now we have a mission. There's like-minded others. Yeah. Jack Reacher, the original Tom Cruise, the guy didn't get to shoot anybody. He's been training his whole life. So he wanted to go, he goes,

I got to kill someone. That's what I trained for. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That's, uh, Wow. But let's have more love in this world, please. More love. How nice of a guy is Cato? If the three of us were cops. No one would get arrested Hopeless I'd be hopeless he'd be or be easy cuz we just like hey Kato who you hanging out with We just get those guys we just put Kato in a room like, which one you thinking tonight? You know, just put them in certain areas. Oh yeah.

My, my, I've always said, yeah, I have trouble hurting anybody's feelings much less, you know, I can't even step on ants. I'm not a serial killer. I can't kill anybody. Well, Kato, man, I can't think in a huge, I liked you before, but after this man, yeah, you're awesome. I love you guys.

You're the best, man. Honestly, so great to see you. Great to great to meet you too. No, I think we're on our best friend list Yeah, I'm right, but I'll get after this I really stay in touch And if you ever need a drop in for some of this true crime stuff you're doing let me know man Yeah, I got my black belt true crime. He's the guy. I'd love you to be on I'd love it It'd be fantastic. Where do you live to look alike alike. Oh nice. Let me keep my address on there. Yeah, please do. You know what's funny really quick? I get in the mail yesterday. There's, I'm gonna give it to Tom Lang today. People have these like theories. They, I get it under my doors, which is scary. That there's psychotic people

that scare me and there's some case that's going in in Florida. I won't get into all the names, but someone wrote me and said, do the right thing. So I'm spooked out because I don't know the people's name on there, but it's an actual case that's going on and it's kind of OJ related. And I don't even know who they are, but it's been a name that's been people that have sent me stuff on X on Twitter and all these weird messages. And it's like, I can't believe it, but now I know they know where I live. Yeah, that's scary.

That's fun. Yeah. It's bizarre. Go ahead and get ourselves some guns and dogs. Because it's insane. I don't even have... They're crazy people. They're crazy people out there.

Oh yeah. It's crazy because they think, as you know, people think they know you because they see you. Correct. They don't know know they have an opinion and then nowadays the famous people i know a lot of them have protection you know yeah you have to yeah people crazy yeah schizophrenics keep my ass keep crushing her brother i love it you got you i'll see you guys again i hope your show goes dude i'll let you know i'll keep it so i hope so i think it's gonna go somewhere i should really do and uh that was great true crimes kato cailin everybody thank you sir hey uh can i tell my You know, I'll keep this. It's so good. I hope so. I think it's going to go somewhere. It should.

I really do. That's rockin'. That was great. True crimes. Kato Kaelin, everybody. Thank you, sir. Hey, can I tell my Instagram? Yeah.

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