The Fighter & The Kid - Tulsi Gabbard | TFATK Ep. 978

Episode Date: March 26, 2024

Tulsi Gabbard joins Bryan Callen and Brendan Schaub and they talk her time running for presidency, the wokeness movement, her thoughts on Hilary Clinton, confronting Joy Behar on The View, her new book "For Love of Country Leave the Democrat Party Behind", thoughts on TikTok and much more! FiveCBD - Go to https://fivecbd.com/fighter and get your $40 bottle for free, just pay shipping and handling. O'Reilly Auto Parts - https://oreillyauto.com/fighter True Classic - Upgrade your wardrobe and get up to 25% OFF @trueclassic at https://trueclassic.com/FIGHTER ! #trueclassicpod #sponsored Tulsi's book: https://www.amazon.com/Love-Country-left-Democratic-Party-ebook/dp/B0BV1CK6TV

Yes we did, cause we back at it again, it's the fighter and the kid This is really the fighter and the kid Come on baby Apparently the um, who's the actor from Yellowstone who's the old rancher dude? Sam Sam, oh, no Old school Yeah yeah yeah

He was in Tombstone too by the way Oh I'm, I'm Legend Sam, Sam Apparently he got, off or left. Sam Elliott. Yeah. He left or got thrown off a plane on a flight.

Yeah, kicked off the plane because he refused to sit down next to someone with a mask. Yes. Is that true? Yeah. He's super old school like Texas Barry. Yeah. I love Barry. Which I love. Respect.

For sure make you fly, dude. Yeah. Respect. I would have stayed on my flight, however. I'd be like, this is ridiculous. You do you man. Tell me about Kelly Slater and what a killer he is. What an extreme. Oh yeah. No, outlier. I was telling him when I was watching The Last Dance, Jordan, yeah. I just, I was like, wow, all of these traits. I know Kelly. Kelly is like a direct parallel.

The same, correct. Oh, absolutely. Yeah, Kelly and I connected because he'd always reach out to me for UFC fights. Like he loves UFC. Then he has a clothing brand in Malibu and I'd always buy stuff and then post, you know, he'd see me wear on the show.

He'd say, do quit buying them and send it to you. I'm like, no, it's a new store. I'm going to support you. But then he was like, come work out with us to do something. I looked at the work, I'm like, oh my God, like he's a outlier. He's also the greatest multi-player. Tell him about what he said. Well, just the mindset of like if it's like competition is real, and if you're not getting

what you need from your opponent to like trigger that next levelness, then he will create it himself. Yes. Like he'll come up with this whole thing in his mind and, you know, there's been documentaries done about this and interviews done where, uh, as soon as like that horn sounds and you're paddling out and the heat's just like, Hey, we could have been best friends since we were six years old, but I will fucking destroy you.

He's such an outlet. And then we'll hug each other at the end. Oh, God. Yeah, his opponent, with his opponent, that guy, he was like, what the fuck were you doing? What was it stupid with you? But then think about it. So people are like, oh, UFC fighters are so brave. Kelly Slater, big wave surfing?

No, I mean, come on. Fuck a human. He's doing big wave, like, they can die. It's wild. Outlier. Yeah. Can, yeah. Can't MMA fighters die too? No one's ever died.

Is that right? I mean, it's scary. In MMA. Yes, but not in a UFC. No, and you all talk about UFC, like major sports, like the other underage, like the weird leagues in Brazil. I'm sure someone's having to, but as far as like big league stuff, never. It's more boxing.

Boxing you die. Yeah. I don't know. You take more shots. So what's, I mean, obviously I know the difference between the two sports, but as far as like big league stuff, never. It's more boxing. Boxing you die. I don't know. You take more shots. So what's, I mean, obviously I know the difference between the two sports, but what is it about the UFC that has made it so like there's never been a fatality or a death from it? I'm just curious.

Yeah. Cause in boxing, right? So in boxing, if me and Brian are fighting and I knock him down, clearly he's concussed. But they have an eight count. So if he answers that eight count, then you go back out and fight, get more punches to the head, you get knocked down again, clearly concuss brain trauma, they stand him back up.

So the brain's swelling just keeps going. Brain, in the UFC, if I clip Brian, he's a little wobbled, and then I go in and finish him off, it's over. But with boxing, they just keep putting you out there. Wow. Super dangerous, yeah. Let's rock and roll. I mean, UFC's over. Yeah. Yeah. But that makes boxers just keep putting you out there. Wow. Super dangerous. Yeah. Let's rock and roll. I mean, UFC is dangerous. What we've been rolling. Oh, we've been rolling. Oh, sorry. Okay. Sorry. No, because that way we're just going right. Okay. We're we're all together here and we're just talking. Yeah. Introduce the legend. I've been a fan for a hot second. I was on Rogan saying you should be the president, just to be very clear.

Yeah, thank you. That's true. And then became an even bigger fan when we left the Democratic Party. Well, that's her book, Why I Left the Love of Country. That is the book here. And that's where I wrote this book after I left the Democratic Party. And the original subcise, For Love of Country, I was going to say why I left the Democratic Party. But given everything that's happening in the country, I changed it to say why I left the Democratic Party, but given everything that's happening in the country, I changed it to leave the Democrat Party behind.

Love it. There's a clear call to action. And it's not like Democrat, you know, evil, Republican, angelic or holy. It's just, you know, I talk about my experiences over 20 years at Democrat, what I went through, what I learned, and what I saw that ultimately brought me to that point

where I had exhausted all means that I felt I could try to change things from within and continually faced, to use the word resistance, puts it kindly, to any kind of positive change that would bring the party back to being the party of JFK and the party of the people and unfortunately, it went from very hard and very bad to exponentially destructive, which is where we are now. What was it? Was it just extremist elements who came in with with a very far left agenda? What was... That's happening. Was there a moment that you saw where you just,

was there a moment you remember where you went, this is too much, I gotta turn? You know, there's been a slow build over time, and yes, you know, there've been waves of like the wokeness radically escalating, the level of purity tests radically escalating where you couldn't just sit there and say, well, yeah, no, I don't agree with you on that and be like, okay, well, let's go work together

on this other thing. If you disagreed, then you were demonized. And even if you're like, okay, well, yeah, I think I can get there with you on this issue, it was never good enough unless you were proclaiming it from like the mountain tops. If you were screaming on it from like the mountain tops. Like blind faith. If you were screaming on the house floor.

If you were a white abolitionist almost, but you, did your Samoan heritage shield you from some of that insanity? No. No, no, you're just a white supremacist. That's where, I mean, yes, and I've been called a white supremacist, a racist, I've been called every name in the book.

And, you know, in 2020 when I ran for president, there were multiple women running for president in the Democratic primary at that time. And the interesting thing that was exposed to those paying attention was, you know, oh, we're all about this is a historic election, we may have the first woman president, all this other stuff, and advancing the rights of women of color

and uplifting these voices that have been suppressed, like all of this stuff. But anytime it came to me, because I didn't fit into their little cookie cutter of what they envisioned or the compliant voice that would just go along with whatever the party leaders wanted, client voice that would just go along with whatever the party leaders wanted.

I was literally like a news coverage of a women's event. For example, there was an event in Texas called she the people that was specifically to highlight the fact that you have multiple women running for president at the same time. Never happened before in the news coverage after the event. Um, mine in the Washington post, my name was not included in the event, in the Washington Post, my name was not included in the event at all. It was as though I wasn't there. And so I naturally, I'm like, okay,

well, maybe somebody made a mistake. Had my press person call and say, hey, you know, she was there, she spoke along with all these other presidential candidates. And the senior political reporter who wrote the piece, he said, I am under no obligation to report the fact that she was there. Oh, wow.

That's it. And that's like the playbook that they used against me. They've used it against Bobby Kennedy. They use it against anyone who dares to challenge, to challenge their position or their authority or someone who they deem a threat. But then demonizing you, it just shows how crazy and maddening the Democratic party is because you check all the boxes that they want.

Superficially, yeah. Female, veteran, color. But veteran, but that scares them. You check every single box. But that scares them. So when the, you know, female, so it's like, well, this is what you guys want. And then they demonize you. It's like, oh, this isn isn't they're not about making a change

This isn't good now. They're about control and power my question for you To see it which I don't understand is like with the extreme like Wokeness and the the far left like how's it good? How's it going? Like what's the plan? You know I'm saying like a question like for if for anyone that votes and you know I think most politicians are corrupt and it's a little dicey. So, I don't pick sides there really, but sure as hell don't pick left. Yeah. But my thing with that is if someone's going to vote that way, how can they continue to vote that

way? When you look at the blue states, it's a disaster. So, I just don't understand, even if you are pro blue and you want to go left, what's the benefits? Because look at how it, my only question for those people that vote that way is how's it going? What good has come out of the Biden cabinet? It's a disaster right now. Yeah. Nowhere safe. We defunded the police, crime's up, homeless is up. We're not doing well. So I just don't see how they can keep leaning into that. A few things. You can't apply logic and rational thinking to their whole agenda and philosophy because it defies objective truth. It defies

the fundamental principles that this country was founded on. And so even if you, if you look at what they're doing from an objective standpoint of, of exactly that, why are they doing what they're doing and what are they gaining from it? Well, they are in, you know, they own the white house. They have, they're running the executive branch. The Senate has a very slim margin and they are in a battle for power. They, their major backers are the ones who are driving their agenda.

I'll use an example. Yes, George Soros, who's behind the quote-unquote progressive prosecutors, who's behind the whole defund the police thing. And again, if you look at the results of their policies, it's very clear to people in the country, and anyone who's open-minded, it's very clear to people in the country and anyone who's open-minded, it's very clear to people who are having to live with the consequences of those policies. And yet, as I was doing research over this book, I started looking up just coverage of

quote unquote progressive prosecutors. Because I'm always interested in what's the counter, your question, what's the counter argument? How are they justifying these policies that just don't make sense? And they find a way to justify them in the name of humanitarianism, in the name of equity, in the name of criminal justice reform, in the name of, you heard it from AOC that all of this like rampant burglary and crime and theft is because people are just hungry and they want to steal bread to feed their hungry child. It's so wild. But the thing is they really, I believe she believes that.

You think so? There's no way. Yes. Because I feel AOC for every flaw she has, she has to be a pretty smart human being. To get what she's at, she has to be pretty smart. She's ambitious, not smart. I think she's also- She's doing something right. She knows how to wield influence.

Correct. That much is clear. Correct. So to that point, it's like she has to know that this isn't going to end well. I'm not confident. I don't agree with that. That's not how she was educated about them. Maybe, but even with the Democrats and the woke ideas that they have, it's like, hold on, when you look at the agendas,

is the plan just to, you just want to burn down America? Like, is that the plan? Kind of. Because the way we're headed, like, that's your plan? Yeah. But their plan, correct me if I'm wrong, but for Americans, who would sign on to that? But, correct me if I'm wrong, their plan is,

if you look at what these kids are being taught in college, and if you look at the humanities, the idea behind critical race theory, behind all these things is, we have to tear down these institutions because they're inherently racist. The system is inherently racist called systemic racism. And it's a patriarchal, it's a tyrannical patriarchy and all that stuff. So the only way to change it is to burn it down and then rebuild it in a Marxist ideology. And when you talk about diversity, equity and inclusion, there's no way to do that without keeping special people down.

You've got to force equality as far as like, that's why we're Larry Fink from Blackwater, says we're going to have to force behaviors. And when you hear that, man, that should be the biggest red flag. Let's take a little break. Let's talk about 5CBD. I want to talk about getting your buzz on. And boy, you can leave it. If you have anxiety at night because of politics

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they think they're God. And that they have the, that they know better for everyone else than we know for ourselves. Did you say you've entered that a lot? Oh, absolutely. And again, like, you know, you don't run around and hear people say like, I am God, most of the time. But we have to change these people. But you look at their actions and like, yes, well, they don't know, they don't know what's best for them. So we have to make decisions for them. We can't allow them the freedom to make the quote unquote wrong choice because they will

hurt not only themselves, but they'll destroy democracy. So we're going to take away the freedom that exists in this democracy and we'll make the decision for them, which is what we're seeing play out right here and right now. But also right alongside that is, as I was mentioning, like who's the power that these people are afraid of? Because they are afraid of losing power. These politicians are afraid of losing power. And yes, I am sounding the alarm

on how the Democrat elite specifically are doing all they can to undermine our fundamental freedoms, which is really what this election is all about. That is what is at stake in this election. Correct. Because if they're allowed to stay in power, there should be no doubt in anyone's mind, whatever you think about any candidate, I don't care who, and this is whether it's Biden or whoever, if it's not Biden, it may be Kamala Harris, whoever it is, they're all the same, they have the same objectives. If they're allowed to stay in power,

they will run around this country saying, the voters gave us a mandate to continue the work that we are doing. Which will escalate this spiral towards a more oppressed, less free, less safe, less secure society. Who would vote for that though? And an insane idea. So then you look at like, okay, well, who's behind the power?

You mentioned George Soros funds all these so-called progressive prosecutors. I believe they tell themselves at night that like when they go to sleep that they're they're doing this for the good of humanity and you know, those poor people who are victims because of their skin color or their place in society and they need us to rescue them. You have the teachers unions, for example, who only care about power. They don't actually care about the well-being of teachers. They certainly don't care about the well-being of our kids, but they are part of this. So, Randy Weingarten and those people?

Yes, Randy Weingarten and like with the American Teachers Federation, I think is the organization. She's the one who shut the schools down. American Federation. I keep on mixing her ATF up with the other ATF. She's with the American Federation of Teachers, but you know, the NEA is the other big one. I just, somebody gave me a pamphlet from the NEA, the National Education Association, the biggest teachers union in the country, their 2022 agenda. And this person who gave it to me, she said like,

she said, I'm not even gonna ask you to take a wild guess on what was number one on their agenda that year. Can I ask? Well, no, can I guess? Do it. If you tell me it's gender, I'm gonna freak out. It's not. Okay.

I could not have guessed it if you gave me 10 tries. So the number one agenda in the teachers union, you're saying, what they, what was the, what are you saying? More days off? What's the most important thing that they were pushing forward first over everything else? The, and I'm paraphrasing in their words,

the plight of Palestine against an oppressive Israel. That's the number one? That was the number one thing they listed on their pamphlet as their priority. To teach kids. Not reading, writing, and arithmetic. Exactly. That is the problem. Not teaching them how to think, but what to think. That is the problem. Pushing their agenda. Think about that. Yes. Think about that. And I'm sure DEI was on the list and I'm sure all of these transgender the transgender ideology is on the list,

all of these things, but that is the problem. They have, so school choice, the right of a parent, both of you guys are parents. Oh, all of it. It's all depressing to me. You guys have young kids, right? I don't know what we do. Well, the first thing is identifying the problem.

We have to identify the problem. And I just want to use this example because it's a great illustration. As parents, you want to have the right to say, as Cody's getting ready to go to school, and I had this conversation with your wife last night, she's like, well, yeah, I like the thought of homeschooling, but I want to know more about what goes into it,

and what's going to be best for Cody. Is it a charter school? Is it a private school? Is it a religious school? Is it a public school? Whatever, there are many different options out there. Better do your homework. Do your homework.

Yes. But you're about to have another baby. Your second son may have a very different mentality than Cody does and have a different learning style and all these other things. Parents should have the right to choose what kind of educational best serve their children's learning style and the things that they're

interested in. I was homeschooled all the way through high school. I had a great experience and share with people like why I loved it. Even back at a time when homeschooling was not a popular thing at all. Over 75% of Americans across all demographics, black, white, Hispanic, Asian, across all

demographics, Democrats and Republicans support school choice. You would think that for a politician, even one who just puts their finger to the wind. Get behind that. And was like, Hey, I want to go with what's popular, why aren't they freaking stampeding to stand at their bully pulpit and say school choice,

let's pass legislation today. Because the teachers union is too powerful. Because the teachers union is so powerful, they are terrified of going against the teachers union. And here's what Randy Weingarten says about school choice. It undermines democracy. That's wild. And so if you, Ergo, support school choice,

you are against democracy, my friend. Wow. That makes sense. But this is like, and this is an important example to cite because it is so personal to every parent and every family and you see where and how politicians who are chasing power will give up the obvious, even something that's personally and selfishly expedient. They lose their power because then...

And when you say power, like the teachers union has power, but they're not, they don't provide funding to anybody. Like when you say power, like what kind of power? They fund a lot of politicians' campaigns, number one. There it is. Number two, they mobilize teachers against candidates. I've seen it in Hawaii, in my home state. I've seen it in other parts of the country.

Wow. And you know, when you know, when most of America is sending their children to public schools and handing off their child's well-being to these teachers, and all of a sudden teachers are mobilizing and saying like, this person hates teachers and they hate kids and they don't care about their... That's a powerful political weapon that they have to wield. The first thing we've got to do is close the fact they do that. They make money off of the dues that teachers are forced to pay into the teachers union.

Because supposedly, and I don't have a problem with unions as a construct, they have advocated for and they have helped a lot of people who've just been shit on by really powerful, like multinational corporate interests. But this is an example of, and Brian and I were talking about this on the way out here, of like, who is the power elite, who is the Democrat elite? These are the people, it's not just the elected politicians, it's the funders and it's people

in the mainstream propaganda media, it's these powerful unions who are no longer serving the interest of the people they are claiming to represent. It is about power and holding onto power across the board. Would Rachel Maddow or people like that have you on? Have you been on their shows? Long time ago. I have not been invited on CNN or MSNBC.

They won't even invite you on. For years. Probably not since my candidacy when I ran for president. And not even like, I have a good relationship with Jake Tapper. I feel like in a lot of examples. He's pretty cool. On CNN at least, he has been, and it's not.

I like him. not all of the, like there's situations where I feel like he has shown his bias sometimes, but in others I've seen how he is one of the lone people on those two networks who isn't afraid to take on a Democrat as with tough questioning just like he would a Republican. I think he's got integrity. Yeah.

Like he's a real journalist. Yeah. Whereas Joy Reid or someone like that, who is, Joy Reid was talking about how these people are just voting because they're racist and they don't want anybody over the border. And it's like, did it ever occur to you, Joy Reid, of course it didn't, because you're not around real people,

but did it ever occur to you that they're voting for their interests? Like they're afraid that all these people coming over the border unchecked are going to take your jobs or it just doesn't work? Like is there, borders are not reasonable? Is that what we're talking about here? That rant that she did on that was so horrible.

She got into this thing like, she's like, you guys are supposed to be pro-life and love children. Well, you must, do you hate these children just because they're brown is that the no just want to have an all-white society is that no like she's so but it's not just gaslighting I actually think people say well these people are smart they're ambitious I don't think they're smart I don't think she's smart certainly not well-read she certainly hasn't exposed herself to other ideas which is the biggest thing with the left. It's not surprising that people,

they've already made up their mind. They're not gonna have you there. But at CNN, those people are whatever. They're doing their job. They're also paid to push that agenda. So it's like, yeah, so if you're gonna tune into it, you shouldn't be mad about pushing. Your audience expects that.

Yeah, if I tune into Fox, I know what I'm getting. I tune into CNN, I know what I'm getting. I tune into CNN, I know what I'm getting. Tune into Comedy Central, I expect comedy. I'm not gonna be mad that they're pushing agenda for a paycheck. That's true. Like that's her job. I'm not gonna criticize her, like don't watch.

Your strength, I was telling you, I think your strength is that, I know you now. I know you pretty well. And spend time with you. You're just not that, you're not an ambitious, power-hungry human being. You're, I know you're not, you love to surf, you love to work out, shoot guns, do martial arts,

and you like your friends, you like just that, you like cooking, you like doing all these things. And then at the same time, you feel strongly about certain things and you can't shut your mouth. It would have been way easier for you to stay Democrat. It would have been, to toe the line, if you had done that, it would have been way easier not to ruffle feathers. But then you decide to do this other thing. It's interesting because Brendan, you mentioned like, oh, I checked all the boxes. Every single box. All the identity politics boxes.

And it's not like I've never thought of myself in that way. Obviously that'd be very strange. But when I won my race for Congress, people in Washington, I never had any party support in any campaign I've ever run. I served in the state legislature, city council, ran for Congress. I had the party work against me when I ran for president. But after I won my election to Congress, what they saw on the sheet of paper was exactly that. Like, oh, she's 31 years old, she's a woman of color,

she's Polynesian, she's a veteran, she's all of these things. Like, this could be really good for us. And so I started getting all kinds of attention that I certainly didn't seek out, but I could not, I don't think anybody could have predicted it. I was a prime time speaker during the Democratic National Convention that year before I was even a member of Congress.

I spoke about veterans issues. Within two weeks of being in office, I was asked to be vice chair of the DNC. There was a vote that was taken that was unanimous because people were told like, hey, she's our pick. This was the beginning of President Obama's second term. Vogue magazine, my press secretary ran into my office. I was there maybe, I don't know, six months a year. She's like, oh, Vogue wants to do like a whole like multi-page spread on you.

And like Annie Leibitz might like shoot, do your photo shoot. And this is me, I grew up in Hawaii and I don't read Vogue magazine. And I was like, who's Annie Lebowitz? And my press secretary, she's like, are you kidding me? You don't know this person? And I was just like, okay, I said,

I was very skeptical, I said, I'll think about it. I'm not doing anything in a bikini or a bathing suit. Like if I have a conversation, it's gonna be about real issues and this whole thing. And they didn't notice, it was fine. But there were just so many things like that that were happening that kind of were mind blowing to me. But it showed what you just said, Brian,

like here's what your life could be like if you are, if this is the path that you want, toe the line. And the first indication or red flag for them that I wasn't going to be that person came pretty quickly. In August of my first year in Congress, six, seven months there, President Obama announced that he was going to come and seek authorization from Congress to go and launch a military attack against Syria. Something that would be, you know, he didn't market it this way, but it would be essentially

the first volley in a long-standing regime change war that was waged. And I served on the Foreign Affairs Committee at the time, was in Washington, and I go into detail about how this all went down in the book, but basically came to the conclusion that like the war that I served in in Iraq, these people were coming and wanting to start another war without actually thinking it through,

unable to answer basic questions like, what is the national security objective we are trying to achieve? How will Syria or their friends respond to a military attack? They're like, oh, we don't think they'll respond. We just want to deliver a message. We want to deliver a punch in the gut. We don't think they'll respond. I was like, okay, you don't think so, but what if they do? Pete Slauson If they do. Jadeb And what if, maybe it's not a response to us. Maybe they're not going to hit a US

military target. What if they respond to one of our friends who's then going to call us and being like, yo, you got to back us up on this. They're doing this to us because of you. You got to war game all these things out. Otherwise, you find yourself in a mess like we found ourselves in, in Iraq. Long story short, I came out against the president's request and gave very detailed reasons why. Immediately heard from the White House, like within 24 hours. And it wasn't like, hey, let's talk about this. I know you're a veteran of two Middle East deployments. I understand your experience.

Like there was none, there was no substantive conversation. It was how dare you go against your president? How dare you go against, you're a freshman Democrat in Congress. Who do you think you are? You come from the president's home state in Hawaii, the state where he he was born Who do you think you are to go against the now? Did you hear from your fundraisers? Well, is that done in person or you know like a group text thread? Oh, no, that was a direct phone call I was on a train going I was like on the frickin Amtrak from New York back to DC With the threat of you're not gonna get reelected basically, right? You're gonna piss people off. There's implied consequences

when you get a phone call like that. And I bet you're not getting the invite to some of the dinners. Exactly. You're just not the cool kid in class anymore. Exactly. And in Washington, like it is here in LA, I'm sure there's currency.

Yeah, yeah, we're out. Those are leverage points that are used. Right, you're one of the cool kids. You're put on ice. Yeah. You're put on ice. Yeah, you're put on ice. What happened? You gotta go up to Siberia for a while. Enjoy mushing those dogs.

Right. Yeah, no one's answering your calls or texts anymore. Yeah, you know, when Henry Kissinger watched, he was Richard Nixon's secretary of state and just a great statesman, but also a very controversial figure. And he watched the Godfather. They had a private screening of the Godfather and Robert Evans said that Henry Kissinger

just looked at him and said, just like Washington, just the names are different. Like there's that saying in Washington, if you want a friend, buy a fucking dog. But Tulsi, with you going independent, this is my, and I've always, like when it comes to politics, I'm a white belt, blue belt at best. So I don't understand, when you go independent, like your chances of winning is not good, right? When you're independent, cause either it's the left, it's the right.

It's very, very hard and intentionally so. In history? They've rigged it, both parties, there's certain things both parties come together around, even in this hyper-partisan environment that we are in. One is war, the other is power. And so, yes, after Ross Perot was like a head of Bill Clinton in the polls, running for president at that time, they literally came together and made it much more difficult for a third party candidate to gain access to just being on the ballot.

So when you decide to go independent, you know, historically, you're probably not going to win. Very, very, very challenging. And independent hasn't won in 100 years. That's what I'm saying. So you know it's a one in a million shot, you're already fighting the odds. And then when I see certain candidates, you know they're not going to win, but they continue to do their thing and it costs millions and millions of dollars. I don't get why they just don't pull out. Like, I'm sure they have the figures and the numbers and how does someone go, hey,

this you're not going to win, but they still do it. I don't understand. There's a few different, I guess, mindsets or different approaches for why that is. Some people run just because they want a platform. They know they're not going to win and they are able to get support from people who maybe share their beliefs or views and want them to have that platform to advocate for those points. Others run and stay in because they really truly believe that they can win even if the data or the precedent doesn't necessarily prove that to be true. You know, change is possible. Yeah.

By the way, people run also because they know that the next four years. That's true. So you put your stake in the ground. And that's whether independent or either. You can see that a lot with a lot of candidates. You get some momentum. They're setting it up. They're like planning the scene for the future.

Yeah, but I guess, and tell me if I'm way off on this, when I see you go independent or like RFK, who's independent, get a lot of votes, and the left and right both hate it because you're stealing votes from them, right? So in my mind, when I heard you're going to independent, I'm like, I wonder if she's doing that, because then if Trump wins, maybe you're the VP or if RFK

won, you'd be VP. Like, frankly, that's the move. You'd be a good VP for Trump. I'm not that calculating. I'm really not that calculating. You know, and this is I would certainly be open to it. And here's why. I've always been an independent minded person. I've always struggled with labels and it's been something that even those who have supported me politically have told me like, dude, you don't fit cleanly in this Democrat box because you're not willing to like follow along and play ball there. You don't fit clean clearly into this Republican box because you're not really like going to play ball with the way they want it. And so what are you going to do? Like,

what, where do you, right? And it's, I've made every decision that I've made in, in politics. Um, and just it's what I try to do with my life is just do your best to, to make the decision because it's the I try to do with my life is just do your best to make the decision because it's the right thing to do. It's the right thing to do for the country. The chips will fall where they fall. It goes back to this book, it's like the love of the country. Exactly. Even when every, you know, I endorsed Bernie Sanders over Hillary Clinton, for example, in 2016. God bless.

I resigned as vice chair of the DNC in order to do that because of one issue. Hillary Clinton was being touted as the most qualified person ever to run for president in our nation's history in that election. Over and over and over again. You turn on any news channel other than Fox News, that's all you heard. The most qualified person ever to run for president in history. And yet, there was no accountability or even questions about like, okay, you've got all

these titles, secretary of state, US Senator, first lady, all this stuff. What did you do? What would you say you do? What was your record? Yeah. What was the concept? Like you want to be the commander in chief of our armed forces. What kind of foreign policy have you led with? And no one in the media did that for obvious reasons because her track record is horrific. She is the queen of warmongers in that uniparty of Democrats and Republicans in Washington. She is that person.

And I just, as an American and as a veteran, as a soldier serving, and then the National Guard and other reserve, I felt a sense of duty and responsibility to use whatever influence I had to shine a light on exactly that. So at least voters could make an informed choice where you've got Hillary Clinton

who has a very clear track record on, you know, toppling dictators and starting wars in countries where we shouldn't be going to war, things that are actually counter to our interests. And you have Bernie Sanders on foreign policy, who doesn't have that, who didn't have that breadth of experience, but at least his instinct was more non-intervention. His instinct was not more guns? Yeah.

But here's my point is is when I made that decision, every one of my colleagues in Congress, this is 2016, I served for eight years, this was four years in, I announced it on a Sunday on Meet the Press, showed up to work on Monday, and almost to a person, even my closest friends were like, you just committed political suicide. Damn. You ate lunch by yourself that day. I'm not joking.

Oh yeah. Oh yeah. They didn't want any pictures taken with me. I get it. What are you saying when you left? It wasn't because I resigned as vice chair of the DNC. It was because I freaking- Spoke up.

Launched a war against Hillary Clinton in that election. Damn. And they told me, she's gonna be president, Tulsi. You're in Congress, doesn't matter that you're a Democrat. You will not get a penny for your constituents at home. It doesn't matter how good the project is. Politics, bro. You will not get a freaking penny.

Damn, it's like the mafia. You are on the shit list and there is a real shit list that exists. And this guy in particular who told me this, he's like, trust me, I'm telling you, because I was on it, because he was an early supporter of Obama in 08 when he was running against Hillary and there was a huge, there is no love lost between those two camps. That was a hard fought primary and he picked Obama early on before he was popular. And he said, this guy, member of Congress,

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Yeah. So I've, to your original question of like, why go independent? Knowing the history of 100 years. Clearly I left, it was not, it was not, and is not a politically calculated maneuvering first here. It's not a chess move for me. It was a conscious decision to leave the Democratic Party. I go into all the reasons of why in this book that fundamentally lead to how can I be aligned with a party that is actively undermining our freedom and is actively pushing us closer to the brink

of nuclear catastrophe and World War III. The Republican party is in a state of, I would say, identity crisis also at the moment. I was at a dinner in New York City a couple of weeks ago and there was a room of a lot of influential conservatives and Republicans. And this woman was very skeptical about me because she's like, look, you've been like, why, why should I believe you? Why should I trust you? And, and the culmination of this was her in a

respectful, but kind of an aggressive way. She's like, but will you stand with Republicans? And I just told her, I was like, well, what Republicans are you talking about? Like, I'm not going to stand with Liz Cheney. She is a warmonger with the likes of Nikki Haley and Hillary Clinton and Mitt Romney. Like she's, she is part of that, that class of warmongers. Like, you know, they're, they're Republicans. who I agree with, others I disagree with. Same, same. And this is where my intentional use of permanent Washington, the power elite, I don't think that any American should be a blind follower of any political group.

That's not American. It's not. You gotta be responsive to the evidence, what's working. But when you, I wanna know, like it's obvious that there is a ring of very powerful elite people who control a lot of politics because that's real pressure. And they're behind the scenes, right? They're like this weird... Yeah, they're called the operatives, the political operatives, the one, the fundraisers.

Do you have to deal with them? Oh yeah. Yeah, the ones who call you and say, hey, you're screwed up. And how do they reach out to you? It's so wild. It's out to you? It's so like Because I feel like in the movies but also in your imagination runs away you think of like the old school you think of like The dudes like an invisible star chamber cigar smoke in the air and like y'all get together. It's like this dark lounge They like zoom you in. Yeah, I don't I don't well first of all, I've never been invited in those rooms

Yeah, I just I've experienced a band there with masks naked yeah, but it's things like You know I want I've been on the view a few times Do you see her on the view when she came after joy Behard? No Oh, do you oh joy bear it not joy Behard called her a useful idiot? When I wasn't on the show. To your face? Oh, no, no, no, no. Not to my face.

Which is the problem. Oh, Tulsi gets on and she goes, yes, we'll get to. She goes, tell us about the volcanoes in Hawaii. And Tulsi goes, oh, we'll get to them. They're important. But I'd like to just address a couple of things about who I am, since you called me a useful idiot. Well, we didn't call you.

We said you're useful. We said, no, you called me a useful idiot. I'm a woman of color. I'm intelligent. I'm a didn't call you, we said you're useful. We said, no, you called me a useful idiot. I'm a woman of color, I'm intelligent, I'm a veteran, I love my country. I wouldn't let her off. Joy Bear Heart's like, huh, huh. She's a disaster.

Like four months later, she was still fuming. She's not been invited back. Yeah. Of course, I mean. Yeah. So, Megan McCain, Megan McCain is a good friend of mine. She was on the show at the time. She was one of the co-hosts.

And she told me, and this was before we were really friends. First of all, Megan was giddy to see Joy Behar being destroyed like that. Literally, as soon as they went to commercial break, Megan ran towards backstage and she was jumping up and down. Cause they've been torturing her for so long. Megan ran towards backstage and she was jumping up and down. I love it. I love it. Because they've been torturing her for so long. But before Megan and I were friends, we had just been introduced by a mutual friend.

Megan attacked me politically, publicly before. I wasn't a big fan of hers because of that. A mutual friend of ours who knew us both fairly well said, I think you guys would actually get along. You guys should just go have lunch. And so we're like, okay, let's do it. We went and had lunch, hit it off immediately, have been best friends ever since.

That's cool. But she called me and she was like, hey, I had just been on the show and she said, this weird thing happened where all of the, like there were specific words and verbiage that every one of the other co-hosts were using when they were referring to me or talking about me.

And Megan was looking through her blue cards because they have producers who come in, you know, they brief you on the topics and you get the notes and everything else for each one. But Megan was like, this is the first time I've ever seen a situation where every other co-host on the show is using the exact same words about you,

almost like they got a memo and talking points in advance. And they did. And Megan's been in this business for a long time. And she was really kind of shaken by this. Scary. And so there's so many different examples of like- So there are, there is an elite,

that there is a behind the scenes- There are, of course. Group of people. Of course. Remember when Chuck Schumer- And once they set your sights on you- You're screwed. Well-

They will do their damnedest. Do you remember Chuck Schumer? Remember when he said, he said, well, all I know is that, you know, Donald Trump is taking on the intelligence community. They have six ways to Sunday to get back at you. And I went. And how stupid Donald Trump is to take them off.

I had somebody else say that who was government, who knows better, who's been there. I remember when they said, he's doing this. This woman said, she goes, I mean, just all I know is that they have ways of making your life difficult. Oh, he's the Teflon Don. You see what he said this last thing? He goes, what kind of collateral are you gonna put up? For the New York bond?

Gangster, cash. And the guy that asked the question goes, oh. Cash, what's up? Gangster, gangster shit. Totally. Gangster. And that's why, yeah, I've met him a few times. What's, what was that like? That's why they'rester shit. Totally. Gangster. You met him, right?

That's why, yeah, I've met him a few times. What was that like? That's why they're trying to destroy him. Yeah. That is why they're trying to destroy him. Do you think they're gonna succeed? Because he doesn't care. Do you think they succeed?

They're trying their best. He wins, not if he wins. He would win today. I don't know, I don't know. And this was the reason why I was surprised that he won in 2016 because of that. Because I knew how powerful the Clinton machine was and is. So bad.

And I thought even though I saw and heard from even Democrats in the middle of the country saying, like, I've been a Democrat my whole life, I'm voting for Trump because even if the only thing he does is like, uh, figuratively blows that whole place up to pieces, that's what we need in order to rebuild a government of, by, and for the people. I was surprised he won because I thought that the Clinton machine would figure out a way to win. I mean, eventually they did. Right.

Yes. And, and. And they essentially like launched this years long soft coup to try to undermine his entire presidency. By bringing in big tech, by bringing in journalism, by bringing in corporate. And the national security state and law enforcement and the Department of Justice, which obviously all of that is still happening today. So my hope is that as this has gone on, more and more Americans have their eyes open to these powerful dark forces and why they're trying to destroy him. They do, right? And make sure that we show up and vote against those dark forces.

But to your point. But that's why I think it was good during the midterms, like anyone who's read was like, oh, this is a landslide. Republicans are going to crush the midterms. But I think it was good during the midterms, like we're, like anyone who's read was like, oh, this is a landslide. Republicans are going to crush the midterms. But then we just, I think they just assumed and then they go out and vote, then they go their way. But I think it's a good sign if you're, if you're on the right, it's a good sign because, all right, learn, the midterms didn't go how you thought.

Now in the real election, you got to go out and vote. I think it was the best thing to happen. It concerns me every, and I hear this from both influential Republicans who are on TV, as well as, you know, people who are in like their little local county party or whatever, they're like, oh, we got this. He's going to win this hands down. Like, this election will not be decided

until that last vote is cast. A huge liability. And watch carefully every step of the way. Yeah, a big part of why they lost midterms that nobody thought, I can see this was the opportunity of Roe v Wade and it became a state issue. They didn't realize how that was going to affect them. Yeah. There are a lot of people, especially women, who are like, you're not doing this to me.

Well, I think it was that, but then also just assuming we got this in the bag. I think a lot of people didn't get out and vote. I campaigned- But it's a good thing it happened during midterms and doesn't happen when the real election comes along. Yeah. I campaigned for a lot of different candidates in, it was funny because the day I announced, or the day after I announced I left the Democratic party, my phone started ringing off the hook from candidates in congressional races, gubernatorial races, Senate races, who recognize like, hey,

she's a former Democrat, now a political independent. Who, who are the people who generally decide these elections? Independence, swing states. Independence, disaffected Democrats, people frustrated with both political parties. And so I spent- Politically homeless, right? Right. And so I spent the next five weeks, uh, up until election day, I think I was in like 22 different states over that period of time.

And, and campaigned with different candidates who had their voters identified. They had a voter, um, you know, turnout operation on election day, huge chunks of voters, thousands of voters just didn't actually show up. It wasn't because they disagreed. They didn't care. They were pissed off. There was a scandal, none of it. They just didn't do it.

They just was like, ah, they got it. Yep. God. And that's a danger, it's. Hopefully they learn and then. I really hope so. Me too. I really hope so.

A lot of things when it rains and there's a low voter turnout and that's good for Republicans, when it's a nice day, it's bad for Republicans because more people vote, I can't remember how. But the Democrats are doing, and the Biden administration is doing their damnedest just to When it's a nice day, it's bad for Republicans because more people vote. I can't remember how. But the Democrats are doing, and the Biden administration is doing their damnedest just to open the borders so they can get the legal immigrants

just mail in ballots. That's how they want it. Well, there's all kinds of, that's the strangest thing to me, how people. Well, and they see how, they see that illegal immigrants are people who are ethnic minorities. They should be Democrat voters. And so there's no doubt in my mind But illegal immigrants are people who are ethnic minorities.

They should be Democrat voters. And so there's no doubt in my mind that that is part of their calculus. 100%. But that's my thing, Tulsi. Like if you're America first, like obviously I believe in immigration and stuff like that, but if you're American first, the downside to that is you're allowing millions and millions of illegal immigrants. Not all those people are here for the American dream.

You're allowing a lot of really dangerous people in. We saw what just happened in Russia and all these people that we can't, we don't have documentation, you just lend them in. A lot of them are Chinese. When they think of border, they think Mexicans. Mexicans aren't coming here. The majority of them are not Mexican. And the American public doesn't realize that. You're allowing all sorts of people,

and terrorists, everybody. And if you're the Biden cabinet, and your idea is just to get that mail-in ballot, well, at what cost? Well, they're not allowed to vote. You're allowing some terrorist in there? Well, illegal aliens are not allowed to vote, technically. But what it is is, right now, you can claim asylum and then you get a court date and you're just sent into the interior.

Correct. Which the court date is usually years away. Yes. There is no way to keep track of you or who you are or where you're going. There's no documentation. There's no way to hold you accountable if you don't show up. The tricky thing is that a lot of those immigrants are actually absorbed pretty well, because what happens is there are a lot of jobs like in harvesting for agriculture and stuff like that, that they are used for.

And so a lot of them actually come here and find work. Um, and, but the larger, my thing is always, look, you have a lot of people waiting in line trying to do this the legal way. I'm all for immigration, legal immigration. That's why you have to frame the narrative properly. I'm not against immigration. I'm against illegal immigration. You're breaking the law. And don't tell me you're all seeking asylum.

That, you know, this is another example of where I have a problem with the world. Why in the world are, if you're so, if you're so, if you hate the West so much, please explain to me why everybody is coming to the West. Why is that? Is there, are they, are we doing something right with our values? You know, that's, that's the other things. And that jives with what you were saying. Like they don't make sense to me. I think there's a dangerous shift in mentality and there isn't, there is a very clear national security threat

because of this open border policy. As you mentioned, there's people coming from Somalia, people coming from across different countries in the Middle East where there are known Islamist terrorists, strongholds, people coming from all over the world. Millions of Chinese. People who are dressed in freaking Gucci coats and a a Ramoa thousand dollar suitcase flying into Tijuana and then coming across the border here in California. That's crazy. And disappearing immediately into a neighborhood or just going straight to the airport

and getting on a plane. Nothing, done, finished. There's the national security threat, but I was talking with a friend this morning about the shift in mindset. So you look at, you know, maybe your parents There's the national security threat, but I was talking with a friend this morning about the shift in mindset. So you look at, you know, maybe your parents or their parents' generation who came through Ellis Island, and these immigrants came from different parts of the world.

They got here and they were the heartbeat of what we know New York City to be now, from all over the place. And they were coming here to truly seek that that opportunity and they came through a legal process To do so you look at the mindset now and I forget if it was Seattle or Portland recently I saw where a City Council meeting was completely shut down They had to call in the cops because hundreds of illegal immigrants were protesting holding signs screaming yelling and bullhorns Because they wanted better, they were already being put up in hotels,

already getting a food stipend, already getting cash. They wanted to be put up in better living conditions because what they were given wasn't good enough. They wanted more money. This sense of entitlement. Wild. That you break our laws by coming in our country illegally. You demand a whole bunch

of free shit. While we have homeless people and homeless veterans like American citizens on our streets, born and raised here, and you clearly don't respect the rule of law. So you're not even coming here saying, man, I really hope and pray that one day I can be a great American citizen and salute this flag and all of the values and principles. And then you add on that this Obama appointed judge that says illegal immigrants can carry firearms in America when those very same people are trying to disarm law-abiding Americans

across the country. And oh, by the way, you're an illegal immigrant. Maybe you have a border patrol agent or an ICE agent or local law enforcement that comes at you. And in the best of all scenarios, maybe you're a guy who, you've got your little kids, you've got your wife, maybe you don't speak English very well and you don't, like everything seems

like a threat to you because you're in a foreign place. What's to stop you from taking that firearm and using it against one of our law enforcement officers because you're trying to protect your family? What to speak of actually those who are here to go out and commit crimes, part of cartels. Like there's so many scenarios where this situation that we are facing is a true national crisis.

And the Biden administration is doing worse than dropping the ball. where this situation that we are facing is a true national crisis. So why are they doing it though? And the Biden administration is doing worse than dropping the ball. Like initially it's like, man, he's really failing. Yes. The fact that he is... Kamala Harris didn't even go down to the border. She doesn't go... They don't go down to the border and when they do, it's freaking all cleaned up and made beautiful.

Right, because otherwise you'll bring cameras, and now you'll see what's... And they are bringing cameras. Did you see her in Puerto Rico? No. I saw. These protests, they'll see what and they are bringing cameras. Do you see her in Puerto Rico? No I saw these protests there protesters and they're singing a chant but in you know, Spanish making fun of her and she walks down She's like, yeah. Yeah. Yeah, and then you see the translators like She goes oh And she starts clapping their protesters

It's such a bummer. She's can't win. Yeah. No, she can't win She wouldn't wear on stay. You would know this told you like Clearly I mean Biden says he's gonna run. I mean, it's not happening. You know, it's he's not good He's not the guy. So if you're the Democratic Party, who is it? Like they're gonna have to at the last second pull in somebody for the Democrats to cut So is it it would have to be like a Newsome, we hear Oprah, we hear Obama. They can't, he's compromised. And then they go, well, he's not gonna debate

because obviously he's mentally challenged when it comes to that. That I think is true. I don't think, I would be shocked if there are presidential debates this year. How wild is that? It's what you guys do. No, you gotta debate so we can see

what topics you believe in and debate it against this guy. So the best idea wins. Yeah. That's the way we pick presidents. So when you say there's no debate, it's like, but that's your politicians. Yeah. That's how you win us over. Yeah.

If you're not going to do it, we can't vote out for Biden based off his laws and policies. No. So it's, so they're going to have to come up with something. Yeah. At the last second. Yeah. I mean, I honestly, there's, nobody knows. Nobody knows. Really? I feel like you'd have a better lead than most of us. Even the most powerful people in the Democratic party in Washington. I have an idea of what they

would like to do maybe. What do you think? Well, you know. Newsome? All of the signs are there, uh, through, through what's being leaked and what's being said in broad daylight about how they, they don't really want Biden to be the, many of them don't want Biden to be the candidate for obvious reasons. Cause they think he'll lose to Trump. They're, they're starting to see that and getting quite scared.

But the reason why they supported him in the first place was because they thought, Hey, he's done it before. He's the only guy who can do it again. I have a hard time seeing Biden willingly step aside. He is a very- Well, Father Time will take care of that. I mean, he has two years max, right? Who knows? How old is he now? Is he 82? He'll be 80. The thing is though, and This is becoming a recurring conversation. It doesn't like, I think it would be hard for them

if he does step aside. I think it would be hard for them to put anyone up other than Kamala Harris as the vice president, as a woman of color. It would, I think. Her approval rating is like the lowest of all time for a vice president, as a woman of color, it would, I think it would be very hard. Her approval rating is like the lowest of all time for a vice president.

Right, but it goes against their whole freaking gender, you know, identity politics. They pin themselves in a corner. Let me give you another example. This is an important point. It doesn't matter. Wow. It doesn't matter who they put forward. If you look at the policies that they have been pushing,

you know, people are like, well, who's really making decisions? Who's setting the agenda for the White House if it's not Joe Biden? You have his national security lead was Hillary Clinton's guy. His domestic policy lead was Obama's person, both very, very among, you know, like the top four or five staffers in both of those political teams. You have Hillary saying she talks to the White House

almost every day. You've got Obama saying like, oh man, like I think someone asked, this is a little while ago, and they said, oh, you know, do you still, do you want to be president again? And he's like, my dream would be to be able to sit in my house on the couch in my sweatpants and run the

White House from there or run the country from there. So, so the point is we can't be distracted. There are so many, um, like information operations and distraction tactics that are being used against us voters in this election. It doesn't matter who else they put up, if they put someone else or whatever fancy dressing they may put on this, it's the same people running the same show and they will take what they have been doing over these last three and a half years and if given the chance, they will amp it up and make

it far worse. But Tulsi, my question for like just the American public, who in their right mind would continue to vote for that? People who are infected with the Trump derangement syndrome and are otherwise reasonable, logical, successful, intelligent people cannot see past this. And it is, like their thought process is not-

You've heard very powerful, very smart people, very influential people say by any means necessary, even illegal means we wanna get Trump out of there. Like real powerful people. Yes. And that's scary. It's at the cost of the American public though. They don't care, this one's staying in power. It's about democracy. And you's scary. It's at the cost of the American public though. They don't care, they just want to stay in power.

Democracy. And you're gonna have terrorist attacks coming up, inflation, crime. But it's not even that, this is an ideological struggle, right, and it does come down. I'm exhausted. Yeah. It's so exhausting.

It's a lot. Because I feel like we can't do anything. But this is, that's wrong. This is where. This is where. Wait a minute, you can do it. I feel like we can't do anything. I know.

Because I think how powerful you are. Like think about all the influence you have. Yeah. And even you left the Democratic Party and you're independent. Yeah. Independent has won 100 years. Yeah.

It's like if you can't make the change, you know what I'm saying? Well here's the thing is we got, number one we gotta get past like the party labels, first of all, because I'm not sitting and I wouldn't ever just like the Democrats had the vote blue, no matter whose slogan. I don't know if Republicans have their own version of that, but I think that mentality is dangerous. So I'm not sitting here saying like, hey, whoever you are, wherever you are, just vote Republican because Democrats are bad. There's some very, very sinister Republican politicians as well who also don't care about the country.

The answer to what do we do lies within the vision and the founding documents that our country's founders laid out for us. Visionary, timeless leaders who recognize, because of our collective history, how democracy is fragile and how in the event that there is someone in a position of power, regardless of party, that tries to undermine our freedoms in their tyrannical pursuit of

more power, we have a system in place as imperfect as it is, we have a system in place where we the people still get to decide who gets, who governs us. These literal words are in the Declaration of Independence. But when those founding fathers made that document, they didn't really realize AI was coming. They didn't realize the manipulation of social media is coming. Because I know some very smart people, you're like, how did you, what? How'd you end up there? And then you realize that they're being manipulated through social media and AI and all this stuff.

But here's what they did realize. They still hold onto principles. And stuff. But here's what they did realize. And that those principles, here's what they did. You can sway those principles. You know, you've got both Democrats and Republicans talking about this whole, you know, misinformation, disinformation. Yeah, like I don't deny that it's real. But the problem is you have like the Biden administration trying to create this disinformation governance board where someone in his administration is the person or the board of five people, whatever it was, who gets to decide what is information, disinformation. If it's disinformation, you don't get to speak. And that's where our founders were so freaking brilliant in putting within the First Amendment free speech, freedom of expression. Not you only get to speak if you speak the truth. Not only you get to speak if you say things that are nice and don't offend anybody. Not you get to speak freely if your party is in power. They

wrote these words as a reminder and to set the guardrails of power within our federal government. Unfortunately, we the people have allowed people to abuse that power and take away our liberties and freedoms, oftentimes in the name of national security, oftentimes in the name of a national emergency or a crisis and in the name of like, well, this is what's best for you. Well, that's the Trojan horse, right? It is the Trojan horse. If you don't do this, this could happen. It's bad, but it's just a Trojan horse to make change. For them to grab on to more power. So the answer to what do we do in this election specifically,

understand that the first step is identifying the problem. And I'm very explicit in my book in pointing out the insidious effect of the Democrat elite, elected, unelected, mainstream media across the board, how they are directly undermining our freedom. So at a minimum, we have to stop the bleeding because right now we have like this gushing open chest wound that's only getting worse and worse. And if we don't stop the bleeding, we die.

It's country. How would you stop the bleeding? Throwing them out of power. Throwing them out of power. Use your discernment as we go through these next several months in this election to gather more information and think about how you want to vote. But at a minimum, I am sounding the alarm for everyone.

Know the truth about what these people are doing in undermining our freedom and how they are making our country less safe, less secure, less at peace, and less prosperous as a result. And then go and make your decision from there. Tulsi Gabbard, for love of country, I love it. Leave the Democratic Party behind. Wow. You're such a, I just love listening to you talk and you make me feel like I have some

hope for politics in the future. So you know, you got our vote. Yeah, you've had my vote. I just feel like it doesn't matter. You went hard in the paint. It was great. It comes down to, I think, something that is fundamentally American,

but that is not spoken about often enough. And that is taking individual ownership and responsibility both for our actions, but also for the responsibility that we have as citizens to take ownership for what's happening in our country. Pete And I think you do that by educating yourself on the matters where – Bethany It's essential. Pete Yeah, because if you just watch CNN and you watch Fox, no, that's just a commercial

for the left and the right. You don't want a commercial. You need to find out like the, what's going on exactly. So it's like when Biden came out, no matter how you feel about electric cars, I don't like them, I hate them, but take that out of it. Big car guy, combustion motors

for a million reasons over electric. So when Biden comes out and says, by 2030, I'm banning all sales of combustion motors and you have to do all electric. If you just know a few things about the power grid, you go, that's not realistic. Here, Texas, everywhere. If you are an electric fan, you just should know like the power grid's not set up for that. It's literally impossible to do that by 2030.

So you know that's just gas lighting. That's not realistic. It sounds good, but it's not real. Yeah. Yeah, it's, there's, we have to educate ourselves. We have to be informed voters. This is our responsibility. And it's like, there's so many people who are like, oh, I don't like politics. We have to be informed voters. This is our responsibility and it's like there's so many people like oh

I'm not I don't like politics. I hate getting involved with politics If you care about yourself if you care about your children if you care about you know your ability to I don't know have a good paying job and be able to afford the most basic things in your life if you care about Having good infrastructure. I mean, you look at like one of the things. All of it can be taken away from you. All of it. All of it can be taken away.

If you care about, you know, being able to have a conversation like this. Oh, we'll be demonetized on YouTube for this. This is, this is, sorry, not sorry for that. No, no. It's my life. It's just what I deal with. There's no, again, there's no way to fight that. No, no, it's my life. It's just what I deal with. Again, there's no way to fight

that. Yeah, yeah. But that's really where, you know, that, and it is where I find hope, sincerely. It's where I find a lot of inspiration is I know there are many more Americans in this country who really do love our country, but who feel frustrated and who feel hopeless. It's about reminding each other and ourselves of who we are, the power that exists in our hands because of this system of governance that we have and the responsibility that goes with that power. And just to your point about getting educated, we shouldn't be afraid of having conversations and dialogue with people who disagree with us.

I listen to podcasts- What do you mean, like a presidential debate? Like a presidential debate, but even- That they're not going to do. Even in your family though. I have a member of my family who disconnected herself from my family because of politics, political disagreement. Same.

That's the problem. They walk away. You don't get invited on these shows anymore. Exactly. Exactly. But also, like, I listen to podcasts where people are saying things I don't agree with, but I'm really curious about the questions we're asking, like, why do you support Open Borders? I really want to know your thought process. And like, I will learn something new and it'll strengthen my arguments and counter arguments.

There are other issues that have come up that I just, I maybe have a basic understanding of, a feeling of where I stand on that issue. But the more I learn about it, the more I am able to ask the tough questions, both of myself as well as with others, so that my position doesn't fit within a box necessarily, but it's one that I know I can stand by because I've done the work.

Yeah, and there's nothing wrong with sometimes having your mind changed or changing someone else's mind. Exactly. You can't, you can't, you're, I gotta get you out of here by the way. Why are we running late? Yeah, she's got another, you've got an hour and a half to drive. I know, it's okay. I want to be held responsible. It's okay for. Are we running late? Yeah, she's got another, you've got an hour and a half to drive. I know, it's okay.

It's okay for a little bit late, it's fine. But that's it. We always forget that the way you learn is by having your mind changed. And you can't have your mind changed unless somebody pushes against you, where you talk to somebody who has a different point of view. But we have a society today where it's like,

you hurt their feelings, they don't have these conversations. Well, they don't even want to talk to you though. There is a thing about the left, I think, that's different than the right, which is, I've noticed with the progressive far left, people like AOC will not engage with you. They will walk away.

It's a policy. The policy is to actually walk away from you. Walk away. Walk away, they say that stuff. They won't engage with you, because they're afraid to really pit their ideas against someone else. Because they will be exposed. They push, they will't engage with you because they're afraid to really pit their ideas against someone else. Because they will be exposed.

They will not talk to you. And the other thing that I worry about is that the elite left has figured out, to their credit, how to consolidate power. They've got a lateral cooperation going on. Yeah, they're good at it. I'll give them that. I'll say it on my team. They are good at it. Aren't they like the damn good?

The pushback is atomized. The pushback on the right or whatever you want to call the right or even the middle or the Independence is kind of all over the place. You got you got Rogan in the podcast You got Tulsi Gabbard, you got you know, you got the Republicans over here But there's some of them are too crazy other ones are sort of like in the middle It just goes it goes on and on so it's a little bit more like discombobulated. You know it's wild to me. It's okay though. Like to me, and it's honestly, it's good

because this is the difference. And we talked about it's like, who are the elite? Who are the elite? They are the people who are a part of this powerful cabal that includes big pharma, the military industrial complex. It includes Democrats and Republicans. So powerful. It includes the propaganda media.

These people, as you said, Brian, on the way here, people can get away with anything. They are never held accountable. And they are- They don't pay a price for being wrong. And they are taking actions that serve their own selfish interests, whether it be power or money.

And those, yes, they are very much collaborating with one another because they have a shared interest. I choose the messy, noisy, loudness of a free freaking society, not anarchy, a free society. That is America. That's what's crazy Yeah, like you're doing the right thing Like they screamed at each other in the middle of a freaking town square. They called each other names Yeah, that's the way to argue in private

They argued in public but they came together around the most fundamental most important things that make our country what it is Which is a preserve the First Amendment, preserve these things. And what's best for American people, which they've gotten away from. What's wild to me, this might be a hot take and we have to edit this, let me know. But like back in the day when a president, like if Trump was in the 60s, like JFK was,

they figured out a way to get rid of him, right? JFK, see ya dude, we're outta here. You go against Cuba in the missile, you're out at Bay of Pigs you're out of here I can't believe with Trump they as much as they there's never been a more hated candidate there's never been a more hated president from the Democrats than Trump how there hasn't been some sort of hey that we know of bro easy you know I'm saying no no it, it's, it's. I'm going to say the word that rhymes with passion. No, I know, but here's, here's, here's a very real danger.

And I've spoken about this on Fox News and in other places, because it's important for people to see what's going on. When you have this steady drum beat of people in positions of influence and power telling the American people that Trump is the modern-day Hitler and then you have historians and other people of influence saying well gosh if only if I live during the time of Hitler's rise and reign and I had the opportunity to take him out I would have done it. So what message does that send to people? All it takes is one deranged person believing that they are doing God's work, that they are justified,

that they will go down in the annals of history as the guy who saved America. That's all it takes. And then you have, who was it just recently? Gosh, who was it? It was a Keith Olbermann, I think. Oh, that guy. Didn't he? There was a tweet where somebody was like, oh, you know, it was an indirect call for essentially somebody to go do this. But they don't have to kill him. They're trying- They do it different now. They're doing it different.

It's that drum beat up. He's Hitler. He's a narcissist. He's the worst ever. How many indictments? 91 indictments? 91? You got four different like four different court cases with very ambitious DAs.

They kill you different now. They kill you with, he's got to pay $130 million that got brought down from foreign. He's going to be in court for a long time. He faces over 300 years in prison. Yes. This has never been done before. But what's wild is the Democrats doing that, making him this enemy, this evil person, the Republican

Party, it's building because they're going, look what they're doing. Because they're privy to it, because they're educated. They're going, look what they're doing. And it's just building this uproar for Trump. The Democrats thought it was going to do something different and get everybody on board against Trump, but it's building bigger. Hopefully, independents are uneasy with this banana republic idea of going after our leaders.

Exactly. That's very scary because it's not good for our democracy. This is my fear with Trump, and I much prefer Trump over Biden, to be very clear. My fear is Trump is his ego so big, he gets into, you know, he gets elected, and it's a revenge tour instead of making America better tour. Here's why I don't think that'll happen. And I don't have any insider knowledge or anything, but this is my personal opinion. As his vice president, you would never let that happen. If they started all this in 2016, it was very clear how the forces of the Washington permanent elite were

were colluding against him while he was running. It continued as he was president. If that were his aim, why didn't he do it back then? Why didn't he do it when he was president? Rally after rally after rally. What was the chant we most often heard about Hillary? Crooked Hillary. Lock her up. Lock her up. Did he do it? No.

No. He didn't do it. The Democrats are doing it. This is an argument that the Democrats are using to try to scare people. Even Robert De Niro I saw did an interview of like how terrified like, like he may get arrested if Trump is elected. But this is again, I talked about like everybody be very aware of these distraction tactics. They got me these fear mongering. Yeah, I just, they got me that's how good they true. Revenge tour. It's true. And it's all with the intent of making people afraid

and distracting away from the fact that every single day, they're taking away our freedoms, our right to free speech, right to see the information we want to see, our right to defend ourselves, our right to live in a safe community. They don't want us to pay attention to that. American values.

So they are trying to show us like, hey, look at this boogeyman here. It got me. Last question. I know you got to go last one. Chin's like, we got to get last one. The TikTok band. Yes. Is that a Trojan horse? Is it a Trojan horse? We're like, look, we got to get rid of TikTok. And then there's more to follow. I will paraphrase the words of Ron Paul, The great Ron Paul. The great Ron Paul. Legend. Who I strongly agree with. Me too. He said that this legislation that's being billed

as a TikTok ban and necessary in the name of national security is the biggest power grab by our government of our freedom and liberty since the Patriot Act. Wow. So trojan horse. Yeah, because if they can do it to TikTok, they can do it to Facebook.

They can do it to any individual. They can do it to any individual. So one of the very vague and dangerous lines in there says that any justice as they're forcing divestment of any company that's under control of a foreign adversary, they can also do the same to an individual, even an American citizen, who they deem to be under the quote unquote controller influence of a foreign adversary.

And I say this as a person who's been accused by none other than Hillary Clinton and Mitt Romney as being a quote unquote Russian asset or puppet of Putin. They said that about you? Oh yeah. They say it about Elon. Yeah, anybody. So there's literally, there's- as being a quote unquote Russian asset or puppet of Putin. Oh yeah, they say it about Elon. Yeah, anybody. So there's literally, they say it about Tucker Carlson. They say it about anybody who. It's their go-to.

It is their go-to. It is an incredibly dangerous bill and people should be very concerned by how fast it was passed through Congress. And I think every member of, I think the no votes on that bill in the House was like 65 people voted no. That's a big, again, when do both parties come together

in overwhelming force? National security, quote unquote national security war, and power, both of which are used to take away liberty. Because the way they paint it is that it's a rush, it's a Chinese asset. They're taking our information. They need to sell. You know who's been super quiet about all this?

Meta, Google. Yeah, because they want to buy it, right? Well, they either want to buy it or they want the market to themselves. Yeah, they want them, guys. No, it's massive. They're like, yeah, take them out. Oh, and by the way, by the way, like who's actually working with the FBI and the Biden White House to censor people?

Meta. So of course. So you got X who's not playing ball. You got TikTok. They got no control over TikTok and what TikTok is doing. You just start to put the pieces together and we have a far more well-informed view of A more stressed out policy.

Let's end with this. Let's end with this. Let's end with this. Give me something good. Aloha. Yeah, I'll take that. Aloha. Aloha. And I mean this in all seriousness.

Aloha made you smile. First of all, it did. But Aloha is a really powerful word that is used. We were watching Moana in your house last night. Aloha is a powerful word that is used, we were watching Moana in your house last night with your kid. Aloha is a powerful word that is used as a greeting, doesn't mean hello or goodbye, it means, alo means to share and ha refers to the eternal life force that exists within every one of us. And so, when we greet each other with aloha, it is an intentional word that inspires us

to see past all the noise, all the labels, all the crap, and actually have a meaningful engagement based on respect for each other because of the spiritual connection that we share as children of God, regardless of who we are, where we come from. And so when we look at how do we get past all these obstacles, the divisiveness, the hate, we get back to the most important thing, which is that

we treat each other with respect, we recognize the connection that we share, we recognize these fundamental principles of freedom that is within our interest to come together to defend and That is the first step towards actually being able to save our country and ourselves and solve the problems that we face Can I say aloha? Yes from Hawaii everyone you look a little Simone. I'm not sick enough though You look a little Simone. We've already established that. I'm not thick enough though.

You're thick. Bo, you're thick. Simone's not thick. 238, man. You gotta eat some more taro. I swear. You're actually thin. 238.

But you're Simone. You're Simone Strong. Simone Strong. Yep, true. Yep, senior. Tulsi. Thank you guys so much. Good luck.

So much fun. Thanks for hanging out with me today. The book's available for sale. Tulsi Gabbard, From Love of Country. Where do they get the book? You can order it from Amazon.com or you can order it from TulsiGabbard.com. You can order a signed copy there and it will be delivered to your mailbox on April 30th. Sweet.

Thank you. Awesome. Get out of here. They're going to kill us. I know. Thank you guys so much.