The Flop House - Ep. #406 - Ghoulies

Episode Date: October 7, 2023

Well, they said they'd get us in the end, and I guess they were right! We couldn't avoid those little beasties anymore, and decided to kick off our 80's flashback Shocktober with the oft-mentioned, but never fully discussed tiny creature feature Ghoulies!If you live in Los Angeles, you can get tix for your choice of TWO live shows at Vidiots on 10/19. And if you prefer watching us from the comfort of home, check out our season of streaming shows, FLOP TV!If you want to help out crew members and others affected by the SAG/AFTRA strike, you can Donate to the Entertainment Community Fund here.The Wikipedia page for GhouliesRecommended in this episode:No One Will Save You (2023)The Birdcage (1996)Late Autumn (1960)

On this episode we discuss... GOOOLIEES! Guys, I can't tell you how happy I am to finally talk about a I'm Dan McCoy. Hey, I'm Stuart Wellington. I'm Elliot Kaelin, and again, as with many of our recent episodes, I cannot wait to tell you later in the show about our upcoming live-ish and live shows tonight. If you're listening to this episode, the day it's released, we're having an episode of

Flop TV. I'll tell you more about that later. And October 19th, we're doing two shows in Los Angeles at the Vitiants Theater. I'll tell you more about that later in the show too. But if you don't want to wait for me, go to theflophouse.simpletics.com to get your tickets for tonight's Flop TV show. We'll go to Videotsfoundation.org to get your tickets for the live shows

on Thursday, October 19th. But Dan, we'll talk about more of that later. What's going on today? Well, today we're doing an episode of our podcast. It's called The Flop House. It's a... Oh, interesting, okay. Oh, weird.

It's a show where typically we watch a bad movie and then we talk about it. Now, until recently, we had been on strike, the brighter skill of America had been on strike, SAG AFRA, as of this recording is still on strike. Not the members of the podcast union striking against other podcasts. So we're the management of the podcast. We'd be striking against ourselves. Seems like a bad idea, but if I'm not being fair to myself, I think it's only one option and that's striking. Out of an excess of caution, even though we were not necessarily endorsing these dumb movies we usually watch, we hadn't been doing. Yeah, there's no flop house bump. Sudden, sudden, rush to the video store for

time. I do think that. Check out the Wikipedia page for Castle for you, dude. Okay, that's a flop house bump. There's a cohort. Ironic since George, you have Castle Freak has no bump. There's a cohort of listeners that does watch the movies beforehand. So instead, we have been going back and watching older movies.

Now, as I said, we've reached a tentative agreement. But you know what? Not the podcast. We're talking about the WG. No, the podcast is still striking against itself. Yeah. Yeah. But you know what, the the lure of an 80s flashback shocktober when we watch horror movies was a little too tasty to pass up, even if we don't have another reason to do it, other than our own enjoyment right now. So we're doing that.

We are reaching back into the 80s. A lot of people's favorite decade for horror movies, specifically, for various reasons. I mean, some of them, for people of our age, just nostalgia, but there are, there are more legitimate arguments you made, I think. But there are also some movies from the 80s, horror movies that were not as beloved, perhaps. I would say probably most of them when it gets down to it. The thing that was such a big horror boon in the 80s, if I'm understanding correctly,

was essentially the home video market. Yeah. And finally, you could get horror movies into people's laps, into kids, television screens through video stores. And it meant that there was a lot of great product that came out. Video drone was broadcasting them all the time. Mm-hmm. Yeah, yeah.

Well, video drone, well, we couldn't find where the broadcasting was coming from. There was some rumors about where video shows coming from. And if you look too deeply into it, you had to start putting the tapes in your belly. And then you become a terrible person. You can just, you can just a terrible, horrible person. You can't argue with the convenience of it, though. I mean, like, you don't have to carry any extra equipment. Until the format switches over and then you got to get your belly taken out in a DVD player

put in. Oh, man. It's, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and. Oh, man. It's and and laser discs. Those things are huge. And now that's that's a big belly. Yeah, it is. And so, uh, yeah, but a lot of the stuff that was coming out was also crap in the in the 80s hard, but right. Right. Right. Which one, which kind will we have watched today? You'll find out. Dan, tell us more. Yeah, we chose to watch goolies. A film that despite. So that you say at a press conference before an apology or to a judge, we chose to watch Gooleys. Well, yeah, we fall upon the mercy of the core.

It was a minute's arm. It was an art of the bake. We were led to believe that this would be a Gremlin's type story and that maybe there'd be a toilet scene. And the toilet scene, you know what, after all these years of saying it doesn't happen, it does show up in an insert shot that I wouldn't be surprised if it was added later to justify the poster. But otherwise, we'll get into it.

This movie doesn't really pay off the promise of goolies. I'm glad that you bring up the poster because what I was saying was like, this is a frequently invoked film on the podcast, mostly because of the poster that has a goolean, a toilet and the tagline, they'll get you in the end. You know, great advertising. So it raises a question, are we going to see a goole bite somebody on the ass?

Yes. And you're going to find out if that question's answered by the film. And here's the weirdest thing about it to me is the goolean, the poster is like dressed like a little kid. Like he has a little blue t-shirt and racist fenders. And the Gully's and the movie are starkers. They do not wear clothes. And I thought it was very, it's, it's, it's, it, let me to believe that these Gully's

were going to be kind of like wisecrack and jerks. Yeah. As opposed to what they are, which is just kind of giggling little creepos. I think that later in the series, they do start, like I think that outfit may actually get worn in a later movie. I'm not. I mean, by the time that I was there, it's like, it's like a half shirt. Like it shows up his abs.

He's, you know what? He's chopped up. You look so awesome. I never, I thought that was like a different color on the shirt. You're right. That is a half shirt. So he's dressed to go to like that muscle beach or something like that, you know. Yeah.

Now, I want to ask you guys something. And the goolees are also ripped. Like their abs are incredible. They're incredible. I want to find out. I mean, you know, abs are made in the kitchen, so, but they're always eaten. So I mean, I don't want to make me so. Yeah.

Yeah. I wanted to ask you guys, because goole's, for all that it has loomed large in my imagination, I have never watched Gouli's. I had not watched it before watching it for the podcast. I think maybe I've seen bits and pieces, but that's it. Have you guys seen Goleys before? I feel like I definitely have, because, but then it could just be like it reminds me of almost every other like Charles ban production of this time. Yeah. That's the thing. There's always like a wizard and some other bullshit.

I didn't think I had seen it, but watching it for this, there were things that felt really familiar. And I can't tell exactly. If I had seen it before, or if it's just that Charles Band is, is, he didn't direct this one, he was going to, but then he just produced it. But he's, they're working in a very familiar vein. He directed however, Gooleys 2, which immediately upon, you know, providing a somewhat tepid Gooleys review on letter box. I had people assuring me that Gouli's two who is the superior film. Well, I think so my understanding is that we'll get into the plot of this is that Gouli's the first one is not really very much about the Gouli's and that for Gouli's two people

are like, uh, we want to see some Gouli's doing stuff. Yeah. Yeah. I want to see 40 year old college students trying to get laid. That's goolies three goolies. Goolies two is the one where it has almost the same poster, but there's two goolies popping out of the toilet one out of the one out of the bowl and one of the tank and says they'll get you in the end dot dot dot again. We'll get you in the end. Scraps the back. Yeah. And it's almost like goolies two is being like, look, watch goolies two,

you're going to get what goolies promised you that you didn't get. And then Gullies 3, they could finally have fun and send them to college and they could finish their three and hotel management or I don't know. Automotive repair. And Gullies 4, I don't know anything about. Yeah, let's find out. Well, let's dig into these two. Today on the flop, we made it.

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presided over by a warlock named Malcolm Graves. And Malcolm Graves is played by Michael Desbars, who people who had HBO as teenagers in the 90s will know best as the older man that Jamie Presley seduces in Poison Ivy, the new seduction. So that's where you recognize him from. Malcolm Graves, he wants to sacrifice his infant son Jonathan in order to gain Jonathan's youth energy, but Jonathan's mother Anastasia stops him instead Anastasia is sacrificed and her death is so gruesome that even one of the Ghouli's covers his eyes and these guys are great.

And baby Jonathan is spirited away into hiding by the groundskeeper Wolfgang, played by a racerhead himself, Jack Nance. Jack Nance. Jack Nance. Can you guys describe the Ghouli's for me? What do they look like? by a racerhead himself, Jack Nance. Jack Nance. Jack Nance. Jack Nance. Can you guys describe the goolies for me? What do they look like? Because the movie does, it's not like critters, but they kind of hide them for a while.

Like you said, the goolies right away, pretty. Right. No, they're, they're little, they're all puppets. Uh, they're kind of like, the Tommu Gijo, that kind of thing. That's what you say. No, there's one of, there's a green guy that looks kind of like a mad ball, but with like, a body and a body. Not the band, mad ball, which looks like old guys from New York. Yeah, and he's like kind of the sloppy swamp gully.

There's like a furry one that looks like kind of an overgrown rat. Yeah, not the band rat. Not the band rat. I mean, he looks like old hair metal guys. There's there various little creatures. And right away, I want to get into one of the things that I found unexpected and bizarre about how released they are. Is that it? They're all covered in kind of goofy goo all the time. Yeah, I was going to like.

So the typical rap on goolies is that it was, is hey, I'm goolies that I'm here to say. People people think of it as a Grimmlands ripoff. It was in production at the same time as Grimmlands. Now that does not necessarily mean it wasn't in some degree ripping it off. Like they were like, let's push this Gouli's film out because we know that this Grimmlands script is hot, but it's not a direct ripoff in the most central sense. It's not like a mockbuster kind of like we're taking this thing and doing our cover of it.

But I think something funny is that you'll read descriptions of it and they're like it was in production at the same time, but ran out of money, which meant it had to take a break and Gremlins beat it to the theaters as if there was any world in which these were equal competitors to be hits at the box office. If the Steven Spielberg produced Gremlins, which the best puppet effects of it at the time, compared to Gooleys, like as if Gooleys was like, we could have been there, we could have been that, if we got into it. So a little bit faster.

As you guys point out, I think a lot of people mistakenly say that this is a Gremlins rip off, but what they don't talk about enough is how hereditary is a Gooleys rip off, which I will explain in this four-point presentation. I mean, it's a good call. It is basically the same movie in a lot of ways. Let me, before you get to that PowerPoint, let me complete the thought, which was just like, so I still was kind of expecting like this like, oh, rastically a little monster critters

movie. Yeah. And, you know, Grimmlands, the the fact that the Grimmlin's aren't necessarily super terrifying makes sense. Like they will kill you and that's scary, but that's because they're like these amoral mischief creatures. But in ghoulies. They got mutin madness, yeah. Mm-hmm. In ghoulies, you have these little like critters running around, not the critters, those are the rights of the squarters.

Yeah, that, very different. And they are sort of the result of these occult rituals. Like these wizards can control these goolees, which are maybe, I don't know, demonic force. Who knows? But it is much less impressive to me as like, I'm a master of sorcery. And because of that, I control these goolies. I made this gross little dude. Am I not your king? I think all children are gross little dudes for a while. I guess that's the greatest power of all. It's the greatest life. The greatest act of art is the creation of human life. And all art is merely us trying to imitate the power of God, which only exists in the creation of human life. Now, the, and Ghouli's, the greatest work of art is Ghouli's.

But the other thing is that the Gremlins, they have so much personality. They have so much charisma. They are real characters. They are, they have a, they, they, they, they, when you, you can just watch Gremlins hanging out at a bar, and it is fun. The ghoulies have no personality whatsoever. This kind of are around. They're kind of set dressing and it's very disappointing. Okay. So this baby was saved by a racer head years later. Jonathan, the baby has grown up. He's now a college student of indeterminate age.

All right. Like most of the time he looks mid 30. Yeah. When he first shows up he looks mid 30s. Yeah. When he first shows up at his girlfriend, yes. When he shows up at his girlfriend, Rebecca, I thought they were a married couple, but it turns out they're just boyfriend, girlfriend, and he's a cultured. And he has inherited this largest state from his father. In reality, it is Los Angeles's historic Wattles mansion. Many things have been shot there.

One of the, one of the few surviving big mansions from the pre-Hollywood days in, in Hollywood. Well, this is one of the funny things to me, like this presumably American mansion also has this like medieval catacombs beneath it, where you raise goolees. The only thing about that is that it's very unlikely that there's that huge abacement in California and earthquake in her own place. But you could say it was from the time when people really copying old European style. Sure. You know, herst was literally dismantling old castles and bring them to hit to beat

to San Sinni. And I guess if you're into like raising ghoulies. Look, if you're going to raise a ghoulie, I mean, it's possible that Jonathan's dad just had that basement put in because we could put the ghoulies in it. Yeah. Yeah. Who raised a ghoulie? It's not a thing you do on ground level or the second floor.

Imagine how much, imagine how much less impressive a magic ritual is if it's happening in the attic or on the second floor as opposed to a basement. Come on. I don't know. Is it creepy? Is it one of those ones with like the big round window? No, it's one of those ones where the geometry doesn't make sense. So it's regular attic.

You have to stoop a little bit. It's full of old Christmas lights. That's the attic. It's happening. Yeah. And there's like a lost nest. It's the attic. Chevy Chase goes to in Christmas vacayoop a little bit. It's full of old Christmas lights. That's the attic, it's happening. Yeah. And there's like a last nest. It's the attic. Chevy Chase goes to in Christmas vacation where you just get stuck up there. Yeah. You need somebody down below to make sure that the trap door doesn't fly up and stick it stuck. So anyway, they explore this largest state. He doesn't hurt it. They find a grave

on the premises that is a pentagram on it, but the dirt's too high to read the name. And later, Jonathan also finds his dad's black magic supplies in the basement. They're just lying around. They have not been put away. They're just in boxes lying around like a basement. So Jonathan Rebecca, they do it any young college people would do upon encountering, getting a mansion. They throw a party and their collection of weird friends show up.

Okay, let me see if I can remember all of them because they're, I don't even know if all of them get names on screen, but there's, there's Dick who is girl crazy and thinks he's God's gift to women. There's a socially awkward young man named Mark, who everyone calls to boy. Dick, Dick kind of looks like big Ed from Twin Peaks, right? I can see that. Yeah, he's got a little bit of a rock ability aesthetic and that kind of thing. There's two burnouts whose names I don't remember.

And there's Donna played by young Mariska Hargote in her film debut, I believe. Oh, yeah. And we watched one of the burnout's break. You may remember her from the love guru. They just meant, oh, does she actually appear in it? I don't remember. I know what they just use the, it's just such a dumb joke. It's such a, that's how he, that's how his greeting is like Mariska Hargote, that kind of stuff. What a terrible movie. So one of the burnouts break dances for a while and then Jonathan should suggest they conjure a spirit just as a lark. They go down the basement, they do this ritual. Nothing seems to happen. So everybody walks away disappointed and Jonathan doesn't do the spirit dismissing spell. As soon as they're all gone, what appears on the floor?

We got a gooey. A gooey, we got one. Real big problem with the real bad logo. Go. I will say that this movie is like 80 minutes long and it takes about 30 minutes to get to the point that Elliott just said. Like I cut out a lot of the part. It is a movie that has its charms, but it is pretty dull whenever there's not a gooey on screen. There's a part where once the gooey, once the ritual doesn't work out, quite as I wanted to go, oh, where's Robin? This other character Robin, where's she? Let's go look for her. That doesn't pay off in any way. Who cares? And it's just a way to get them out of the room, I guess, that they've noticed Robin has gone

somewhere else. The next day, Jonathan tells Rebecca that he is leaving school to focus on repairing the house. But I'm goole based business. is leaving school to focus on repairing the house. I'm goolee-based business. I'm reading these cowards goolees to make shoes. And she reacts the same way he would if he said he's dropping out of school to get into crypto. She's like, I don't know if that's a great idea, but he also gets obsessed with those magic artifacts.

He draws ritual markings on the floor and he makes a talisman necklace for Rebecca. It's kind of like a safety thing. I think he had one as a baby. I don't remember. All this magic is having a terrible effect on him. He looks old. He looks less healthy. Yeah, it's the magic. Yeah. I mean, he doesn't go outside at all too. And he conjures some more goolees and he tells them to obey him and not let anyone else see them. So and this is eventually this is going to lead to when he's just kicking back in his study reading books about goolees, he's just going to hang over his shoulder drooling and grumbling.

And it's like, this is what the power has given you. You see, 70s gross things hanging on your shoulders while you just kicked me, but just hanging out. Yeah, this is what I was thinking. It's like, what would you guys do if you had, you know, a few goolees that you're disposal because I'm like, I'm going to have them you had a few goolies at your disposal? Because I'm not like making gifts. I would ask them to leave. They don't seem to do much.

They can't get anything off like a high shelf, for instance, or what are other things goolies, they couldn't drive you anywhere, they couldn't reach the pedals. Maybe like a couple of them stacked on top of each other. I'd have them go on the World of Warcraft and do some XP mining for me. Just go to all my characters. I feel like most of your time the ghoulies were just cleaning up after the ghoulies.

Like, they're more trouble. The fact that he later uses ritual to get better helpers is that he's really tight up the ghoulies. So, so now he's doing rituals in full of warlock robes, holding a magic spear, a magic fight into some kind. And he's praying to climb on what a hereditary thing. Yeah, he is. And he gains the power to make it rain in the basement.

Again, I don't see what the benefit of this is. Now you have a wet bed. Water in your basement is literally something you don't want. It's a thing that people go out of their way to avoid. As a small business owner, water in your basement is nightmare. You don't want that, but he has the power to make it happen in his own house. Rebecca walks in on him and it is hilarious. It's like, she's walked in on him masturbating to pictures of someone he used to date.

She is, he is, he is, understandably upset. He is embarrassed and cannot explain it. And he promises, okay, I'm going to cut it out with a magic. No more magic. I promise. A promise, baby. No more magic. I'm, baby, I'm cured. I'll go to therapy for it. No more magic. Cut to the next scene and he is lighting a magic candle next to their bed. This is Jonathan. You haven't even

been able to go one scene without magic. He'll be back to start making love as a goolee pops up to watch. Yeah. Which to me would be a major turn off, even if they're working for me. I don't want them in the room when I'm having sex. I do you guys feel about it. I know you're a little kinkier than me. I'm a little bit yellow. Yeah, I mean, I like an audience. It is in a, yeah, it would have to be a, maybe a handsome or gooey, for a tour for me.

So you're, so you're, you're, you're, you're, you're, you're, you're, you're, you're look shaming up with the gooey, but just to find these just city, I don't, I'm just telling you about my, yeah, I mean, let's go over there. Let's go there. You let's go to be BDSM.org and fill out the quiz and see what it says about. That's good. Gully. Boiler is me. Adult Gully finder. Yeah. Here's the thing about it though. I can understand that the thrill of being watched, but being watched by someone who is giggling the entire time seems off

putting to me. Yeah. Yeah. it's the ghouly equivalent of like stat learned walldorf criticizing you. Now that's something to be honest to me, having a full stat learned walldorf are just criticizing me and making jokes. The only problem with it is that I would get too hard. I think it would be too excited. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's your Patrick Bateman in the mirror moment. When's he gonna come? I'm just asking when we can go, that guy's still. And you're just laughing too hard. Did you have that? It would be too close.

The duet of pleasure. We can't slay each other out. Like the perfect way of form's meeting. Yeah. All I wanna do now is write jokes for Stetler and Waldorf to say while they're watching you, let's say. We're not enough. The Jim Henson company is not into your pitch. I know.

Yeah, I'm just trying to criticize myself. Probably what? Yeah. I mean, in his private life, you know, if you know that I was into, yeah, you know, so there's, there's gotta be, there's gotta be times when he, when he had sex as Kermit. It had to be. Oh my God. I mean, if I was on the receiving end, I would request Kermit, knowing that his one sort of vice in life was he was a philanthropist. Yes, and he liked expensive cars. He would buy various ways to do Kermit for me.

He Kermit. Come on. He would just say's a is curmit in the room with us tonight. He could be perhaps. Super. Yeah. You're really good. Yeah, I do a lot of home, not in the bedroom, but. Yeah. You're making it a little easier to be green.

As you say to me, Elliott, and now Audrey has annoyingly picked it up too. Like sure, laddie, sure. What I do, this to my friend Rocco, you might have it. You might. It's a great, it's a great voice. I don't mean an anti-Irish slur, I apologize. So anyway, John starts muttering magic incantations while they're in the act and Rebecca angrily storms out. Just notice that the gooey is watching. She does see the pentagram under the bed though, right?

The magical warding circle or whatever. Now, I have to say, sure, it's not unreasonable under these circumstances for her to storm out, but the movie narratively seems like it gets to this point pretty quickly, especially considering how much time has been doing much at the party. It feels like there should be a little bit more of a build to it's clear this is a problem this guy has.

I know it's weird to come home and see that you're your boyfriend is wearing ceremony of robes at the basement. And soaking wet for some reason. Yeah. Nothing bad per se has happened at this point. I guess is the. No, that's true.

Well, I mean, he's gone back on a promise. He's creeping out. It's more that she's mad that his life is falling apart. And he's not taking responsibility for himself. That I agree. Gullies is not a master class story telling. Do you think it would have been better if like this section had been more like a French far sweater?

He's trying to hide the Goules from her. Goules keep almost popping up. I want to see this movie. I'd enjoy it more certainly. Yeah, I don't know if it would raise the thrill level or the terror level, but it would be more fun to watch. Sure, yeah. Yeah, where's your terror level, but it would be more fun to watch. Sure. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. Where's your terror level now, Elliot? The terror level. It's a war and terror level. Pretty it's yellow. It's pretty low down. Oh, okay.

You don't have to take your shoes off to watch goolies. This level. The, the, I will say this, this, this, this kind of thing is handled much better in the very beginning of a movie called Ride with the Devil. It's a hammer arm movie. That's not perfect. But there's a point where two friends show up at a friend's house for dinner and it

turns out the date got mixed up and their friend is hosting a satanic mass that night. And the friend is, he's in robes and they're like, what's going on? He's like, oh, well, you were supposed to go over for dinner tomorrow night, not tonight. And I always found that very, it that very funny and also a little scary. They do the show up at your friend's house and run night and realize that he's involved in this stuff. Yeah, it's much like in hereditary where she just finds all these magic books going through her mom's stuff.

And the really scary part is not that her mom was involved in magic, but that her mom didn't include her in this aspect of her life. That's the, that's the harsh part. So now with Rebecca gone, Jonathan just throws himself into full time. We're locking his eyes start to glow. They start looking like his dad's eyes did in the first scene. And also his pupils, like one of them goes off to the side and I honestly couldn't tell whether that was an intentional choice or just the context, not settling correctly. That's a very good question. It's a very good question. Uh, again, these are not Grinch Stole Christmas level contact lenses.

They're not sticking right in there. He decides, I guess, that the goolees are not cutting it in the assistant department. And he conjures two kind of gnomes in armor, who are named Rizl and greedy guts. And these are hands down. I will, I will broke no argument. Hands down the best characters in the movie. Guys fight me over it. Fight me. I'm not, I'm not going to know. They down the best characters in the movie guys fight me over it fight I'm not I'm not gonna know they have the most I'll follow along charisma. I mean like

I love performances. I'll keep telling me is these days by the way just yeah, yeah, that's true. I would love the ghoulies to be the top performances, but you. But they aren't given the personality that these are, these are two little person actors in armor basically. But they have like a lot of like these. So Grizzle is played by Peter Rish and Greedy Gut is played by Tamara DeTro who also, Tamara DeTro is, I don't know if she's better known, but she also played ET for much of the movie. Wow.

Yeah. Oh, they're great. In a costume, right? Yes. No, she was in the makeup chair for hours, now, she's in a costume. It was all motion capture, yeah. And they are, they give the best performances in the movie, their characters in the most string.

Grisel, as portrayed by Peter Rish, and I wonder if this was in the script or not, is very reluctant to do the bad things and does not like that he is under the control of Jonathan, whereas Greedy Gut is more eager to kind of like play up to the master in order to get what she wants. And there's like an actual dynamic with them that I find that is interesting. I wish this movie was called Greedy Gut and Grizz and was about these two characters, these two in Los Angeles, but it is not. In order to test their power, Jonathan makes them levitate a wine goblets that they can drink it. And Greedy Gut starts telling about a more dangerous ritual.

They can bring him even greater power, but he needs seven people for it. And Gris will is like, don't tell him, don't tell him. And unfortunately, they don't get too much screen time. Now, by now, Jonathan is at the stage. mentioned earlier, we're just kicking back reading while a goolee grumbles on his shoulder into his ear. I would find that very distracting if I'm trying to study a magic book, but Rebecca returns and he's convincing. The thing's kind of goolee. It's like white noise machine. I mean, honestly, I feel like the sound of a ghouly grumbling in your ear sounds a lot like the vocalists in the bands I listen to.

Yeah, that's fair. It's a lot, yeah. I'm just imagining that one of my meditation apps has one of the options, like ghouly grumbles. Oh, yeah, my way zap has the ghouly option for the voice to read the directions. I don't understand what that means. He's coming to stop. Is that a stopped car ahead? I'm a Houston street.

You can't even get the pronunciations right. Come on, Gully AI, come on. So Rebecca, she's like, can you please leave the house, but the gnomes put a spell on her so that she'll obey Jonathan. She's in kind of a trance. And Wolfgang comes in, he vios every and then to say why he's not doing anything. And he's like, oh, I was powerless to do anything but watch the evil overtake Jonathan. I feel like the movie is in bad shape when you cannot afford much of Jack Nance's screen time.

When Jack Nance is not, they're really not making it worthwhile for Jack Nance to be on screen very much. Yeah, well, I mean, and this voiceover was so confusing to me because the movie doesn't have it in general. And I guess it's just like the movie needs to remind you that Jack Nance's character is in the movie so that when he comes back later on, like what? Yeah. When he comes back, Zappen Magic all over the place, you're like, why didn't you do this earlier?

He's always like, I just couldn't. I couldn't. Jonathan invites his friends to a dinner party where everyone's wearing sunglasses because he has to wear sunglasses to cover his glowing eyes and they're all wearing their shades inside. They're wearing their sunglasses at night so they can so they can keep track of the visions of Gullies. Gullies are popping up all over the table, but nobody seems to notice them. And the Gullies are loud. Again, they're grumbling constantly. They're eating the food as well. are allowed again, they're grumbling constantly. They're eating the food as well. Just like that song, goolees, bustin' out all over.

Yeah, that's what the movie was based on. The Jonathan, he casts a spell, and this is I think the best part of the movie, aside from when Rizzle and Gritty got her in it, where he casts a spell that suddenly the table disappears, then he transports them to basement, and they're all covered in white sheets, not like clan white sheets, but as it, but like burial shrouds. And it's genuinely very creepy. It's very genuinely strange.

The ghoulies are loving this ritual. They're all over it. Yeah. And everybody starts yelling and yelling and yelling. And the warlocked dad, Malcolm, his dead body pops out of the grave, now yelling, having been revived. And then suddenly they're all back at the dinner table. And I thought this whole sequence, this is the best sequence I've ever had. I like that. I like that. I like that. Yeah. Yeah. And John and her back are like,

well, everybody, thanks for coming to our dinner. We are leaving to go to sleep, but you can all stay the night, which is a weird thing for the host to do when dinner's not really over yet. To be like, I'm so tired, I got to get my sweepies in. So you guys hang out, be at the house. Maybe it's kind of thing that rich people do. I don't know. Yeah. Yeah. If you got that many, if you're super rich, just write in and tell us if they do, if you do shit like they do in goolies, like, yeah. So the reason I want people to leave at the end of the night is that we live in an apartment,

you know, and there's essentially four rooms here. Yeah, it's what the movie four rooms was based on your apartment. If you live in a mansion, you know, like you're like, yeah, there's probably people living here I don't know about, you know. I mean, there's that there's that scene in Sizz and Kane where he's like, I believe some stragglers are still in the East Wing, you know, from the point that they had. Yeah. Yeah, the so like, if you had a huge mansion, you'd be like, yeah, fuck it.

Do whatever you want. Go into my line seller. Go hang out. My you three luckheads come, polish this earned for me. I don't care. I have a mansion. Yeah, I do like, I'll just get a new earn. Not a break, whatever you want.

I don't give a shit. Shoages. Yeah, you can go hang out with this weird life-size Klaus Kinsky clown doll that's in one room. It is a strangely furnished and decorated house. It's decorated in creepy modern. But I guess you can do that when you're rich. So, Zombie Dad is walking the grounds. He's just petting goolies when he runs to them, telling them he's their true master. He's returned. Yeah. The friends pair off and they get attacked in different ways. And this takes a while.

It's, I'm shortening it considerably. Uh, Mariska Hargote and, uh, is it Mariska Hargote and toad boy gets attacked or is it? I think so. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. They get attacked in the garden by goolies. Uh, Dick has paired off with another girl and he leaves and he encounters. This is the strangest one of these. He encounters Malcolm Graves, the dead warlock, but Malcolm Graves has taken the form of a sexy lady who Dick is who's like, kiss me and he's like, well, I've never met you before, but I'm so, I'm so love happy that when I wandeth through a mansion and a creepy lady tells me to kiss her, I just do it. Honestly, honestly, I get it. And, but unfortunately, that's a bad mistake because she strangles him with a enormous

serpent tongue that shoots out of her mouth. Pretty cool. You live by the sword and die by the sword. That's all I'm saying. Yeah, and yes, yeah, live by the French dive by the French. And Robin gets, another woman gets strangled by a ghouly inside a big clown doll that took that, uh, super mention before. And my favorite one of these is of the two burnouts.

One of them just gets attacked by goolees. The other one, Grizz has to go get a goole, subdue it. And then he just throws it at the other burnout. And you can tell that Grizz does not want to be doing this. He's regretting it the entire time. He feels bad about it. That's acting. He clearly doesn't want to do it.

Rich's character in the movie, Grizzle. Meanwhile, John tells Rebecca. He goes, I hope you can forgive me. And he puts the safety talisman necklace on her and she falls asleep. And she goes into a sleeping trance. And I think this is meant to protect her.

And this is the moment when dad goes, Gully has come to me and they're all popping up everywhere. And if you finally get the insert shot and Gully popping out of the toilet, that's it. We have, we have fulfilled the poster. The audience stands up. Aplods. Yeah. Miles out of the theater. Yeah. But it reaches like no, there's more movie left.

And they go. Not necessarily. It's all we came to see. We came to see it. It's it's beating the flash entering the speed zone. Yeah. As the number one stand-up and share moment in American film history. 20 minute standing ovation at Khan. At James Khan's house, you mean? Were they over here in Los Angeles? Yeah, he's loving it. He's loving it.

Yeah. He's just, but I see this movie. They got these crazy little monsters. Ever since I saw that one of them was in the turlin, I had to see. There's the, I really like the way that when he summons the goolies, it also summons all of the dead party goers, I guess. And they just kind of like inch along the ground like weird worms. And I thought that was pretty cool. I thought that was cool. That's a cool bit of physical work by those actors. Rebecca sees, well, we'll get to in a moment, but Rebecca sees one of these and is horrified

to see her friend kind of like, yeah, like wriggling along the ground, like almost Uzumaki style, the way people's bodies move in Uzumaki comics. And I was like, that is cool. That's a cool creepy touch. I like that. Anytime a human body is moving in a way that is unnatural for a human body, it can be very effective on film. It's why there's so many, why there's so many what, polyblist dancers that go into

the horror, horror realm. Anyway, that's a modern dance reference that I probably mispronounced. So anyway, all the ghoulis and the dead people are coming out. They're writhing around, Rebecca wakes up to find Jonathan in a trance.

She's horrified, she rips off her talisman, she runs the stairs, a flying ghoulie, like a flying squirrel, ghoulie knocks her down the stairs, which seemingly dies. Knock knocks her down the stairs, she seemingly dies. Max, you're down the stairs, but she has just enough time to like, rebuke Jonathan and be like, why'd you do this dude or whatever? Yeah, I mean, was it worth it?

It's a fair question. Why did you? I think so, it's raised all these goolees. I think it's really funny that she's like, she's like, before I go, I'm going to talk some shit. Like, I mean, I guess the stuff. Tough love, why'd you raise all these gullies? I guess the assumption is that, you know, like, there's a corrupting influence. Like, he does the first ritual out of curiosity, you know, youthful, high spirits, and then

he's corrupted into like the lust for power, but all of them are so fast. Yeah, yeah. This is like, this is some natural dan generosity coming out right now. Yeah, yeah. How many times did the movie make you cry, Dan? There's no sense early on, or he's like, my lifelong dream has always been to be the king of the goolees.

Like, I don't know. I was the king of prom, but there were no goolees at prom. Unfortunately, then I was the king of dreams. There were then I was like, I was originally going to a show. I think if there's any burrow that is lousy with goolees, it's a queen. Staten Island, my friend. Staten Island. Oh, I got me like Nicole Malley, Thomas. The goolees and wild.

Do you think he was also like, he was going to school for like, like management? And that's it means for him. I don't know what kind of power the gullies convey because they don't do anything other than, hurt, then attack people occasionally. It's not like the gullies are stealing money for him or anything like that. Even the gnomes that can levitate the gullies, they don't even have to do that. They don't have to do that. They don't have to do that. They don't have to do that. They don't have to do that.

They don't have to do that. They don't have to do that. They don't have to do that. They don't have to do that. They don't have to do that. They don't have to do that. They don't have to do that. They don't have what kind of power the gullies convey because they don't do anything other than attack people occasionally. It's not like the gullies are stealing money for them or anything like that. Even the gnomes that can levitate things, I don't know what they're bringing to Jonathan's organization. It feels like Jonathan, like many startup founders, doesn't really know what to do with his staff

once he's expanded beyond the size. He can reasonably manage them. I feel like he loses sight of his core mission. I feel like as soon as he's summoned the guolees, he should have been like, well, they can help me like fix up the house. I know you're saying they're gross and they're incapable of doing that. And then we get a house montage, we're capable. And that would at least make sense. Yeah, at least I can see goolees crawling around the roof, nailing down shingles and stuff like that, putting it on tar paper, but they don't need to do that.

Yeah, you throw on a little banger, like put one foot in front of the other. Yeah, exactly. That would be a funny horror comedy where there's like these little creatures that this warlock wanted for like world domination. This guy gets the power for it and he's just using them for chores and stuff. Well, here's okay. The strike is ending. Here's my pitch, Hollywood.

I know I shouldn't be pitching right now. A contractor gets control of black magic. He just is going to use them to work on houses and the goolies are really upset because they want to be wrecking havoc and stuff with it. But what I need you to do is lay down grout. That's what I need you to do. I don't need you to wreck havoc. Like I'm a contractor.

I like my life. I make good money. I don't need, they're like, you could have power, domination. I don't need that. I have what I need. I'm going to retire pretty, you know, in 10 years. This is what I need right now. And one of the clients who's like real, like a real pain in the ass shows up to the job site sees the goolees. They kill her or him. And he has to or him. They can be or they know traality and then anyone the contract is like, God, I

gotta do something with a stupid body. Yeah, now that's your goolees movie. Anyway, the and it's called goolees bringing down the house or something like that. Oh, I love it.

Yeah, so the so but I agree, it's like not clear why other than a family curse or the the lure of the taboo or the forbidden. It's really not clear why Jonathan is doing any of this or why he is because I can understand I can understand the lure of forbidden knowledge that I can do something that no one else knows how to do and they don't even know the power to do this exists. But if the, what you basically have is you can get a bunch of greasy, goopy little monsters that just hang around and make it way in your basement. Like that's it. There's nothing more forbidden than a gaggle of tiny gross. I feel like I'd be like,

ooh, forbidden knowledge. I can do spells and then I would do it and some goolees would show up and be like, uh, I've like thrown the spell book. Oh, yeah. Now these spells are any good. Yeah. The, spells are any good. Yeah, it feels like, it feels like a, he's gone into a bad born search where what has, what has come up is not what he was looking for and it's not that helpful for his. Yeah, no thanks for his objective. All right. So anyway, Jonathan shows up and in the basement, he finds that his dad has set up everything

for a magic ritual to steal Jonathan's youth, his friends role in those winding shrouds, you know, he finds that his dad has set up everything for a magic ritual to steal Jonathan's youth. His friends roll in those winding shrouds, you know, he tries to beat dad with magic, but he can't do it. Come on. This is, it's like the story of a edipus Rex, but with magic, you know, in this case, he doesn't manage to do it. He can't defeat his dad. His dad revives Rebecca.

And from this point on, I was not sure whether his friends were dead or alive because he revives Rebecca and she tries to ensnare him. Are they dead or alive final? Yeah, I think that's what it is. Which is the one where they become hitmen, where the hitmen start killing people and giving all their money to starving children, then they grow wings. I think that's the second one. That's the second one, too, right?

Okay. Yeah, because I think the third one is the one where at the end, the two hitmen merge together into kind of a mechanical being and they go and attack the crime boss while he just, he's having sex with his boyfriend. I think that's right. Yeah. And it just ends with the crime boss going, uh oh, and after they've come back to some sort of, it to some sort of master assassin mechum.

Yeah. Oh, anyway, what a, what a interesting film series. So they fight, but oh, so, so so so Rebecca's like kiss me Jonathan And the gnome say no, it's a trap. It's a trap. And there's a moment with Jonathan is like grizzle greenie gut Who are you working for and but then they show their loyal to him? the The dad is attacking Jonathan and he's about to kiss him and steal the life out of him when Wolfgang Jonathan and he's about to kiss him and steal the life out of him when Wolfgang throws a magic spear through his back.

It's that he's that tried and Wolfgang is back and at this point, he'll check out Jack Nancy. Check out Jack Nancy's fired and he reveals he is chock full of magic. He can teleport. He's zapping lightning bolt all over the place. It's like why did you do any of this before? That's in Jack Nancy's contract. You put him in a movie.

He's zapping his life. I want to say like this might be my favorite part of the movie where Jack Nancy and the bad guy fight and it's essentially just them like grappling with each other. Like not that much really just like they're basically have their hands around each other's necks and the classic. We're doing it with the other stance and animated eyes apps come out. Yeah. Yeah.

Be something back and forth. Yeah, and they have this magic battle. It wakes up Rebecca. It's shaking the house, bringing down the house, much like the least contractor one. And they both warlocks vaporize.

They both disappear. And Jonathan wakes up his dead friends and it's like, we got to get out of here, everybody. And they flee the house, which does not crumble. They don't have the special effects budget for that, but they all get in their cars. They drive away leaving Grizzle and Greedy got just a wave goodbye to them.

I guess they stuck in the house. And then as they drive away, Rebecca's like, is it all over and John goes, yeah, it's all over. But then the goolees pop up in their backseat and their burnout friend goes, and freeze frame on this goofiest to facial expression credits. Gullies. And that's Gullies.

Look, the movie, the movie where the Gullies were more like incidental set dressing than actual. I mean, I feel like most movies would be improved by a little bit of Gullie set dressing. Oh sure, sure. All of them spotlight. You go to the Gullies in there. Yeah. The favorite throw the ghoulies in the background. Where are the ghoulies?

If you have your most honest access to ghoulies, you know he'd use them. Someone's complaining at the box office. American movies just have ghoulies in them. I go to everything that's rated G, hoping it's rated G for ghoulies, and it never is. There was a single ghoulie in elemental. Okay, well, let's give our, oh, yeah, we've got special shock tober categories. Yeah, we're the categories. Right, I forgot about this. Yeah, totally scarifying, totally snorifying, okay, or frighteningly funny. And I'll start off

snorling, snorling, or frighteningly funny. And I'll start off before I get to my judgment. Oh, thanks for jumping on that grenade, Dan, of getting to talk first to give your opinion first. No, before I get to my judgment, two quick things I want to shout out my friend Ashley, number one, Gouli's fan, who happened to have her birthday on the same day that I was watching Gouli's for the first time. And number two, I have a fondness for this movie because our cat panda, when we first, now this is a cat named panda. It's not a cat named panda. Yeah. Man, what I wouldn't give for a cat panda. I'm so cute. This was a panda named partly that because it was our pandemic cat who visited us as a kitten in our former apartments backyard. And she was dropped off by the cat train, the panda express. It was a adorable small kitten. We learned him inside, initially with the intent to We learned him inside, initially with the intent to have people under the stairs to neuter and

return maybe, but who are we kidding? We're keeping that cat. But we learned the cat and we couldn't find it for a long time and we were trying to keep it separated from Archie, so in those diseases, we had shut it in the bathroom. And the cat was not there. Like there's no place for the cat to go. There's no place at all. And then we realized that there's like a little skirt underneath the toilet. The cat was lurking beneath the toilet in such a way that we could only see if we put a mirror back to the wall.

And for the first week we had the cat, it was just hide back under the wall. And for the first week we had the cat, it was just hide back under the toilet. And so early on, Pandas nickname was goole because it was a toilet cat. And I just needed to tell the tale so that generations to come will understand how a cat can hide under a toilet sometimes. Like a wally. Did so did a panda get you in the end? Uh, my heart.

Yeah. Um, um, ask for ghoulies. I will say it has a lot of elements that I enjoy. And you know, let's, let's take the silly, uh, shock to over categories off the table for a second. I kind of like this. Why even put them on the table in the first place, Dan? Because I enjoy the way they make you frantic.

I kind of like this movie because I am sentimental about Schlocky horror of the time and you know some of the elements are fun to look at as like silly budget practical effects and such. As a movie I find it pretty slow considering it's 80 minutes and a lot of that I think has to do with a lot of these unanswered plot questions that don't give it a strong plot driver. There's just goolees wandering around, but not even that much. But I still sort of like it just because I like this kind of thing. What do you guys have to say? Yeah, there's definitely a movie I kind of liked because it's got goolees in it. It's got an old dead warlock guy.

There's all kinds of magic. There's like a party and some party animals and there's a weird clown man thumbs up. What a good movie? Yeah. Elliot. I hate to be the, I hate to be the negative Nancy here, but I'm going to say that I can see totally star five. I find it totally snorifying. I think there are moments in it. I like that ritual scene that we talked about. I like grizzling greedy gut. I think it's, you could do, you could certainly do worse if you're looking for a less than 90 minute,

80s kind of not that exciting horror movie, but I mostly found it snorifying. And also, as many people have said, it's not how, and we, as we've said, doesn't do a lot with the goolies. And it's hard to over, hard to meet over looked the fact that it's called goolies. And the goolies are there,

and they don't really do much of anything. I don't want to watch Jonathan becoming a warlock. I want to watch these Gullis doing some ghoul stuff. You're reminding me of that Simpsons, where Homer has angered like the mob for some reason and then the, the, the Yuzuka show up and there's like a little Yakuza. Sorry. Yeah. Apologies.

I forgot the word. There's like a little guy and Mark's like that look. He's going to do something real cool. Can you do something? Oh, I missed it. Yeah. So you say, the outside you just hear him scream and then knock everybody out. Yeah, and I feel like that's your attitude.

It hurts the goolees. Like, you're up there with those goolees show up again. It's something cool. Well, I feel like this movie is, yeah, they're going to be something awesome and they don't. And this, this movie is very old-fashioned exploitation stuff in the way that the title and the poster promise something so different than what you get in the movie. Yeah. And if this movie was called Warlock Sun or something like that or like, you know, Blood Curse or something and it didn't have a goolee sticking out of a toilet with the last

tagline, they'll get you in the end. We wouldn't, no one would remember this movie, no one would ever think about it. If there was an accurate poster and an accurate title, this movie would have been forgotten. It's all about the poster and the title and the promise they're in and it fails to deliver on that promise. That's what I'm saying. Goolies, please back your knife and though. Yeah. I know. I may watch Goolies too and report back to you whether it is indeed. Please do. Actually, we call that last chance Goolies. Yeah. Yeah, Tom Goolieke, you will still give them a chance to win back. That's a lot. Dan, that should be a future mini is you should watch Gulley's two and three and tell us,

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If you have a time treadmill, you could send them back in time. But these are other letters from listeners. This first one being from Jason Lesning withheld. Voorhees Alexander. Yes, it's Jason Voorhees being more talkative than usual saying. Well, he's writing. He can do that. Yeah, he's gone downhill, canonically.

I'm a huge fan of the pro-of the fan. Dear sir, I must take Pan in hand and put my machete down from that hand to complain to you about your recent program. I have listened to nearly every episode of the years, except during part of the pandemic when I didn't commute to work, which is why, which is my listening time. I'm only now working my way through those episodes and wanted to point out something about the final program. When Jerry Cornelius is about to transform. Or as may remember, the final program

was our episode with Joel Hodgson and Matt McGuinness. Mm-hmm. Thanks, my understanding. The final program, when Jerry Cornelius is about to transform and says a Humphrey Bogart quote, is it possibly a veiled reference to the creature from British folklore, the Bogart, which is often described as a beast-deal human?

This is just one of those things that I guess we'll never know, but have to say, huh, about, which brings me to a question. Are there movies for which suddenly years or even decades later, you learn to cultural or other reference that suddenly makes a scene in the movie make more sense. Stay strong, best wishes Jason. I had a hard time with this because I know that this has definitely happened to me, but

yeah. It's more of a case of like, I know that something, I knew that something was a reference. I'm like, well, eventually I'll know what this reference is. Like, when I saw space balls for the first time, I had not seen alien. I was too young to see alien when I first saw space balls, but I was like, oh, okay. This chest bursting thing.

This is a reference to alien. I'm aware, generally, that this is a reference. And I feel like a lot of things like that happen with the Simpsons where I'm like, this is referencing something, but I don't know what yet. Well, that's, I was going to say it happens a lot with TV show jokes like, and my example of that was it was only this year that I watched the Simpsons Mr. Plow episode and was like, oh, this scene is a reference to Sorcerer. That's what this scene is.

Because certainly when the episode first aired and I was a kid, I had not seen sorcerer. And like he was like you, I saw alien after space balls, but I kind of knew about that scene. So I got the joke. But as a kid watching Simpsons, I didn't know thing one about sorcerer. I didn't know it existed. So there was just this scene that was that I didn't quite understand why they were doing it, you know. Yeah, they're like in homework at the bat. There's the scene where he hits the home run and it breaks the lights and the natural and movie, which I still haven't seen. But now I'm aware like, oh, that's why it's not particularly funny right here.

I think the Academy Award like highlight reels to know the natural. Yeah. Where's that Dan didn't see the natural, but you've seen every episode of Supernatural. Yeah. This is a thing have like 16 seasons or something. It's a huge, successful show. People love it. Yeah.

I feel like there was an episode of this, not of a reference that makes a scene make sense for that imbues it with more meaning from a recent episode we did when we talked about the net and how there's that opening scene where the guy commits suicide in a park and how that's very much playing off of the then relatively recent suicide of Vince Foster and how as a kid, I didn't really know that. But now I look at it and I go, oh, I see, adult audiences would have probably picked that up. But I know that for various reasons, no one is allowed to acknowledge the existence of

Woody Allen. But the first thing that came to mind, thing about this was a joke in the movie Sleeper, where they talk about how there was a nuclear war that was caused, and they say when a man named Albert Shankar got a hold of a nuclear war head, and for years, I was like, don't get it. Don't know what that means, don't understand it. Like, I don't know what that joke is.

I don't know if that's a real person or not. It doesn't make sense to me. And it wasn't until many years later, when I read a book about when John Lindsay was Mir of New York, that there was a whole section about Albert Shankar, who was the volatile leader of the United Federation of Teachers Union. And so it's like this is a joke that seems painstakingly designed to be understood only by people who were involved in 1960s New York public education controversies. So it's like it's a joke that even at the time was probably not understood by a lot of people. But certainly by now, there's almost no way of getting that joke, you know, unless you've researched New York controversies

of the time, you know. Yeah, this is a tough one. Like I feel like there's got to be a million examples. And as I like work my way back through older movies, I see more and more examples of this sort of thing, but like nothing's sticking to my brain right now. There are definitely movies, and again, I can't think of any at the moment, but there are definitely movies where I saw something not realizing it was a reference, but liked it. But then saw the original many years later, and was like, oh, okay, like I didn't really see, we're ripping something off, off or doing an homage or whatever.

Well, this is from Joe Lasting with Held. Yeah, Joe V Volcano. That legal. There's a movie I watched the first time this year. I've been trying to fill in watching movies that I was too young to see when they came out. I was aware of them being out. And I watched Joe versus the volcano.

And I'm like, this movie does not really understand itself. I was very confused by it. So it has its proponents, but I've always found it like a little inexperienced, like it's like the whimsy doesn't land in a way that makes sense to me. But. Well, I think because it has no jokes in it. It's a whimsical movie that has no funny parts in it.

Yeah. And it's, it's so bleak and it's hard to, but it's hard to buy Tom Hanks as a guy who's like on the edge of not, not by, not accepting life anymore, you know. Yeah. Anyway. But anyway, so Joe V. Volcano, I apologize. You wrote us a letter. Thank you for listening.

I shouldn't badmouth you. Yeah. Yeah. Uh, Joe V.V. writes, hearing Dan announced this episode brought back a flood of memories. This is in response to the legend of the Titanic episode. As I had seen some clips of this movie in my missusment youth, I couldn't wait to hear the floppers react to this piece of ill-advised cinema, but something was off.

Why did the scene with the wrapping safety dog get a mention? Do they miss it somehow? Was I getting Mandela affected? As it turns out, I was thinking of the other Italian animated children's film retelling the sinking of the Titanic with anthropomorphic mice Titanic colon the legend goes on. My mistake, I'm pleased to report that our shared reality is stable, and I was just confused although it is weird they made two of them. And there's a link to the wrapping dog, and there's an English release where the dog

wraps. It's party time over and over, but just as very Mr. Worldwide, and he refuses to acknowledge it. Not only that, there's a sequel to the Legend Titanic, which is under a whole, this whole other movie, as far as I'm able to tell. Yes, it's called, and that one, I briefly scrubbed through it on Tuesday because it came up right after I watched Legend Titanic, that's what it recommended to me.

And they go looking for the wreck of the Titanic, and they find mur people, and there's a whole storyline of underwater mur people and they learn how to breathe underwater. I feel like we might have to watch it at some point. There's like a battle between flying fish and things like that. So I think that sounds pretty good. Actually, we might have to do it. Yeah. So weird cottage industry of, yeah, mice movies. Okay. Yeah. I'll try anything once. Will you? Yeah, nice movies. Okay, yeah, I'll try anything once. Will you?

Yeah, why not? I don't know. Up to it, including murder. So those were the letters. Let's move on. Yeah, we're going to watch that other Titanic movie too or no? Let's do them all. Okay, let's do all of the Titanic movies.

Mike's on the Titanic theme month. Yeah, Mike's Tannik. Yeah, that's gonna just be the new podcast is us watching Titanic movies. So look for that everyone. They said the podcast was unsinkable. Let's recommend some movies that we actually liked that might be a better use of your time. I was maybe going to go older just because the sag after strikes are still ongoing, but I was looking at movies I've seen lately, and it's been a real dry spell in terms of me enjoying stuff,

but I did like the new film that got sort of dumped to Hulu. The no one will save you. Starring Caitlin Devar. Fuckin' great. Essentially wordless. Like just, there's no dialogue. It's like a Jacques Tatee type thing, like a lot of little misunderstanding. Yeah, kind of.

Kind of. Like, where's the business with props? It makes with like a little cottage course, that it's more unnerving suspense with some kind of amusing off the wall choices that I don't want to spoil. Yeah, I'll watch it. Don't tell me. It's really good. It's really good. The movie is, you know, like really tightly directed the effects for, you know, like looking a little for, you know, like looking a little silly, fakey, sometimes like are also, they, the, some indelible images, I think, in the movie. And Caitlin Dever, who I think is a really strong actor, is terrific at really letting you inside this character's head without dialogue.

So that's my recommendation. Yeah, that's a great one. So that's my recommendation. Yeah, that's a great one. I'm gonna recommend a little bit of an older movie, a movie that I never saw when it was released and only watched it just this past weekend. Is the bird cage, starring Robin Williams and Nathan Lane.

It is about a gay couple whose son is getting married and he's getting married to the daughter of a right wing senator played by Gene Hackman. It obviously it is an older movie, so not all of it is going to work. Hank Azaria playing a Guatemalan like rent boy character is probably not the most sensitive. He is very good. Yeah. And it's very funny to see these movies were at the time. It was like a super progressive movie.

And now it's like, but what I will say is I feel like, obvious, there's a ton of like little performances both from like Christine Baranski, who's great, Diane Weist, who's always great. But what like, just, it's been so long since I've seen Robin Williams and he, like, he brings such vulnerability to this character. And like, I choked up a little, like, he's so good. He's such a good actor. And he's wearing the fucking hottest fits. I've seen the movie in a long-ass time.

I what I wouldn't give for his wardrobe. And even see you, I could see you really enjoying that wardrobe. Yeah. And even Jean Hackman who could be playing, I mean, this is basically just, it's a French farce. And he like, he could be playing a very broad, simple character, but even he adds a little bit of vulnerability to his, like, shitty right wing

sounder character. And I think, I don't think it all works, but I think the stuff that works is really good. Yeah, I want to say that Robin Williams, I feel like he sort of, you know, became famous and a lot of people prefer him, like, being like totally off the leash. I like him when someone leashes him a little bit and I like that they made the choice to, you know, Nathan Lane and Hank Azaria are playing very broad characters and he is the grounded one

sort of on that end of the family and he does it so beautifully in that movie. It's amazing. I'm going to recommend a movie that's also about marriage and parents. Very interesting. I recently watched the movie Late Autumn. This is a Japanese film from 1960. It's directed by Yasujiro Ozu, who most people would know from like Tokyo story,

one of the great great directors of Japanese cinema. And Late Autumn is a story that is sometimes funny and sometimes serious, and the stakes in it feel very small, but the way the characters are drawn and kind of the generosity of spirit applied to all of them, kind of like what Stuart's talking about. I found very beautiful. And by the end of it, I just found it to be a emotionally beautiful movie and a very sweet movie of a very powerful movie. And so the story is that there's a widowed woman and her daughter. Her daughter is now 24 and the male, these three male friends who were friendly with the husband slash father who died before the movie started.

They decided it's time for this daughter to get married. She's so pretty, she's such a nice girl, it's time for her to get married. And they start trying to set her up with young men they know. And at a certain point, they decide, well, we're going to have to get the mother to get married too. And they are just kind of three meddling guys, but they're not villainous about it, even though they're insensitive about it.

And the, as it goes on, you get a deeper kind of understanding of the relationship between the mother and the daughter and how much they, the daughter does not want to get married because she feels like that will leave her mother alone when she moves out to live with her husband. And how much she thinks she is supporting the mother and how much the mother feels like she is supporting the daughter. And it's all very like,

there's no scenes where characters kind of like have a big yelling fight or something like that. You know, characters kind of get understand things that these understood before, but it's all, it's in the Ozu style a very subdued for the most part. But I thought very beautiful. And it's got this color, color cinematography I've never seen these in a show that I've never seen before. I've never seen these in a show that I've never seen before. I've never seen these in a show that I've never seen before. I've never seen these in a show that I've never seen before.

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I've never seen these in a show that I've never seen before. I've never seen these in a show that I've never seen before. inspiring and fulfilling that way. So that's late autumn. There is one of those things, those moments when like, we watch a bunch of movies for the flop house. And then you'll watch a movie that actually makes you connect with humanity and you're like, oh, what happened? And I'm sorry. Is that the sky?

Yeah, I bet you that Gouli's and Hot Dog and Hamburger have only suffered by the fact that I watch Late Autumn right before because it was like I know that this art form is capable of. Like it's capable of like making me feel like I'm a part of this human family that we're all that we all share the same basic emotions and we can connect over that and then I had to watch this garbage, you know. Yeah, yeah. Well, that's also that's also the magic of film. Film can be a statement about human life and family connections.

And what we owe to our neighbors and our friends, it can also be a movie about a bunch of morons skiing for like 90 minutes straight. And that's what the floppy is about too. Like would I want to see Charles Bands drive my car? Probably. Like, would I want to see Charles Bans drive my car? Probably. But your expectations would be different. It's entirely the same movie, but the end of the goolees pop up in the backseat.

Oh my God. That's a good note as Annie to end the show. Before we go, remember that if you're interested in any of those live shows, a shortcut, just go to our website. They're all listed on the events page. And our website is. Flophouse.com. No, it's FlophousePodcast.com.

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