The Flop House - Ep. #407 - Friday the 13th Part VIII: Jason Takes Manhattan

Episode Date: October 21, 2023

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On this episode we discuss Friday the 13th, Part 8, Jason takes Manhattan. Takes it all the wayop House, I'm Dan McCoy. Yeah, I'm Stuart Rillington. I'm Elliot Kaelin, I can't wait to tell you later in the show about our upcoming flop TV episodes. And right now, I want to thank everybody who showed up to our video show because this episode is airing after those shows. We're recording it before those shows. I'm sure they went amazing. And everybody loved it. We probably got carried out on people's shoulders because they were so excited. And there's that crazy part where Dan was doing a dance and then his pants ripped and his dance flopped out like Lenny Kravitz and you're like, whoa.

Yep. He had to be there. You had you had you have to had to be there. Yeah, never happened again. I got those double stage pants. I'm just a head sucker. Dan, he's so nice. I give him the double stitch pants anyway. On this podcast, we watch a bad movie and then we talk about it. We're in the midst of

Shocktober, a Shocktober 80s flashback month. Yeah. And I didn't think it would be that hard to sell for Elliot and Stewart to do Jason takes Manhattan as I know that Stewart of course is a big Friday head and Friday the 13th. I mean, I mean, he might like Friday. He loves the Friday. He loves the Friday. I don't know. Or the rest of it.

Freaky Friday, TGI. Yeah. All Fridays. Or, and I knew that Elliot, of course, famously, I'm not familiar with it. Who was inspired by his disappointment over this film to write maniac of New York and part and part you had other ideas, of course, to create and write the award not nominated for comic book series, maniac of New York, available in fine bookstores now.

It's too bad though it is like watching this again having, you know, I guess this is the first time that I've watched this movie since reading Maniac of New York that I'm like, oh yeah, Maniac of New York is so much better than this. Oh, thank you very much. I had a civil experience while I was watching it because I hadn't watched it again in a long time. And I was like, yeah, I did do a better job in this movie. Apparently the writer of the film did want to do more of the same kind of stuff that I do in many American New York in terms of using New York's iconic locations, but they did not have the budget.

Whereas the great thing about comics, all it cost is pen and paper and ink and Andre Mutti, my wonderful artists' risks, that's all it takes. Well, also it was because they had two separate concepts for this, which was Jason and our boat and Jason in Manhattan. And they decided to smash them together, in part because as you say, it saves money. But I think if they had just committed to the idea of Jason being a big city, like- Just a lot of him looking up at the buildings going, wow, is suit case gets stolen immediately? That kind of stuff.

I had this thought while watching it, I'm not going to tip my hand too far, but I was like, I know this is one of the least likes in the series. As of Friday, the 13th movie though, I'm not hating it. And I think that part of me not hating it is, I know by this point, it's not going to fulfill its title. Yes. And this movie may have been more successful if it was just called Jason on a boat. I was just not a on a boat, which

is not a terrible idea for a Friday, the 13th party dead tide or something like that. And then surprise twist, he ends up in New York at the end for a little bit. It instantly is a better movie. Yeah. Because it doesn't live up to the promise that it's not making. If it's not making that promise, then I think people would be a lot more sympathetic towards it. But they really push the hell out. I remember when this movie was coming out, just the promotions for it.

They really pushed the hell out of the idea that Jason is in New York now. And it's called Jason Hatton. He's all his hanging over the skyline ready to chop something down with his with his big night. It's a great poster. The, uh, yes, you think it could have been Jason or Friday, 13th part, eight, like death on the Hudson or death on the bloods and river. It could have been still sounds more like a name that does blood.

But like, what if on the poster, the blood part was written in blood? Okay, cool. But not the sun part. But no, the sun would be spelled S O N. But the sun, like S U N, and it would be a sun symbol. Yeah, the blood sun. That doesn't. That's a different spelling, but just like the Hudson. Yeah. Now Now, I want to see a movie where it's about the miracle on the Hudson, except it's because Jason was on the plane and Sully has to, that's why he has to land the plane and Sully Sully and Burger and Jason are fighting each other on the wing of the, of the plane that has landed in the Hudson River. And if he can, if Sully can save all those souls while there's a Jason on board, you got

a name of fucking street after that guy. I sure it. I want to say that. I want to say that your blood fought blood sin solution works beautifully if you're seeing it in print. Now, does blood drip off the sound of the words blood sin if someone's just saying? I would say, I would say,

I'll be in an event that technology. I'm sort of synesthesia where you get the idea of dripping blood from the sound of the word. I would say. Yeah. I would say I think you reach some market penetration problems. The fact that Manhattan is a globally known thing, whereas I think the Hudson River is not necessarily quite on the top of people's minds in the same way that they will get the

play on words with blood. Yeah. Well, I mean, I guess I can't real tell, you know. Like, if I've been called Friday the 13th, part eight, timescare, then it's like, okay, I get it. People have timescared. But if it was like Friday the 13th, part eight, dead-inch village, I think people would be like, huh, let me take a minute.

Oh, oh, right, Greenwich Village. That's right. Okay, yeah, I get it. I think it's, it's you know what I, you want to get the famous thing that people all over the world can understand because Jason, he's a global brand. He's partnered with Adidas. He's always on the runways in Rome and Milan. He's a global brand, yeah. At home, at home.

He's like a real car-heart guy, honestly. Very good. Very big in Canada. Yeah, a little bit. He says at home in a stocky bar in Japan as he is out on the belt in Africa as he is as he is climbing to Machu Picchu leading a gang of tourists as he is sitting in just a regular old diner in New York in 1989. Jason, he's he's real empty.

He's everywhere you want to be. Unfortunately. Yeah. Yeah. It was a weird teleporting. Yeah. Yeah. The, uh, so we'll just say that my title is maybe second best and we'll, uh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. Solve it. I'll turn it. Yeah. Solve it. I'll turn it. Solve it. I'll turn it. So, uh, let's, uh, let's jump into this little flick, right? So there's the eighth of these. So, uh, I hope you guys have watched all the previous seven and have them perfectly.

Perfectly. Yep. The Jason series is a weird series because the iconic character design does not exist until what halfway through the third movie. And so I've always been surprised. The 3D one. Yeah, the 3D one. Yeah, because that's when he gets the hockey mask. Because in the second one, Jason just has a bag over his head. And the first one, there's no Jason until that, you know, the 3D one. Yeah, because that's when he gets the hockey mask. Because in the second one, Jason just has a bag over his head. And the first one, there's no Jason till that scare part at the end.

It's his mom. So the idea that it's almost like the idea that they would keep making these and eventually hit on an iconic horror character and look is very funny to me. And it's a little bit like if Star Wars was about a bunch of characters no one cared that much about. And Price Stri strikes back. Luke is in it, but he's got a bag on his head. And then in the third movie halfway through, he's like, let me put on this karate key and pick up this laser sword and people are like, yeah, I like it. This is great.

Well, yeah, it's like, yeah, if somebody's like, I love Boba Fett. Where should I start watching these movies? It's like, well, you got to start with a new hope and you're like, there's no Boba Fett. Start with start watching these movies? It's like, well, you got to start with a new hope and you're like, there's no Boba fat. Start with start with episode one, fan of menace. Okay. Start with the eWalk movie, which one? Caravan of hope, whatever it is, the battle for an courage. Do okay. So Friday 13th, part eight opens with opening credits over shots of a grimy New York City. And there's a radio host who's doing a little like poetic tribute to New York City.

He's like, and he's coast bookowski. Yeah. Mm hmm. Yeah. I'm going to attach to these New York shots of New York City because we're not going to be here for long. Though I guess a lot of these shots are then echoed by the events near the end of the movies. So. Yes, you are seeing the same fictional grimy alleyways full of steam that you will see later on. But it just had open trash cans full of wet.

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I'm missing. I'm missing. I'm missing. I'm missing. I'm missing. I'm missing. I'm missing. Stop putting alleyways in film set in New York. It's very fun. We have like one alleyway in the whole city. I know that everyone's vision of the city is a bunch of fucking alleyways going wherever the way the city's built. There are no alleys. Stop doing it.

I remember reading, I look at one of these alleys and I'm like, well, what's the rent on that alley? I remember reading a, I mean, they're all, yeah, they're all muses at this point. The, the, I remember reading a, like a message board with their time, but it might have in this movie or some other New York movie. And they were, and someone's writing about how there's no alleys. And this guy, he chimed in, he goes, what, do you tell me that the buildings in New York are just like right up against each other?

And the guy's like, yeah, exactly. Yeah. All are. They're just touching each other and the guy's like, yeah, exactly. Yeah. We all are. They're just touching each other all the time. Constantly crammed on roads. You can't make one because it's touching the other building. Yeah. So the camera eventually submerges outside of Liberty Island, only to resurface in a little

place called Crystal Lake, where a small yacht is pulling up outside of a well lit campground. And we have through some sort of estuary or canal on the sewers to teenagers who we learn are graduating seniors are hooking up. And they're listening to that very same radio host who dedicates some song to the graduating senior class of their town, who are prepping on a, and as we are informed by the radio host, are prepping for a school trip to New York. Yeah, it's big news. These are Jimmy and Suzie. Jimmy gives us a quick summary that Jason Voorhe's legend. Susie is, I guess, being informed of this the first time, even just by living in the community, we have to assume maybe she's a transfer student. Maybe she just moved to Crystal Lake.

Yes. They tossed the anchor overboard, which tugs on a submerged power line, which runs under a section of collapsed dock where Jason's corpse is currently buried. See Friday, 13th part, seven Ed cause a, that's the name of it. Friday, 13th part, seven Ed is Ed. And that's the editor, the editor. That's right. Oh, yeah. That's rascally Roy is, is, is not a finance. Yeah. And it causes a shock wave, which wakes up. Zombie Jason who boards the yacht. Jimmy goes out to check on something only to come back dressed up as Jason for a brief joke.

Now, maybe this is this. Now, when I was a teenager, I did not have ready access to women who wanted to have sex with me. I know things are different for you guys. You were super studs. Yes. If you were in a situation where you are in the middle of having sex with your girlfriend, would you then get up, leave, get dressed up as Jason and come back to prank her, thus risking ruining the mood entirely,

or would you continue through the act of lovemaking and then be satisfied, satisfy your partner, and then go to sleep. I feel like it is a weird choice to get up in the middle of the lovemaking and leave, say that he can prank her. It's a really good bit though, dude. Yeah, it's the also, I don't think it's don't think at any point clarified that Jason wears a hockey mask in

his story. No, that's true. So she just has to assume that either it's Jason or her lover has returned for some reason wearing a hockey mask and holding a knife in his hand. Which is the way scarier that the man you knew and thought you loved, the man you were intimate with is now coming back as a killer. Is scarier than a zombie man? Yeah, maybe he's still operating on like the adolescence, you know, horror makes

you horny idea. They're already doing it, Dan, but they're already doing it. No, I know, but it's overkill. He's like, this is really going to get our motor running. You're fighting. Make your think that she's going to get killed. I'm not going to yuck Jimmy's yum on this one guy. So, uh, I'm pretty disagree. Yeah. I mean, this yum is scaring his partner unsolicited in a way that she does not enjoy. I would call that a yuck, yeah. So they climb back into bed when, of course, the real Jason arrives to attack them. He uses some kind of a harpoon gun.

He stabs Jimmy in the belly and he dies right away. And then Susie goes to hide in like a little stowage thing. And then Jason shows up and slowly stabs her with a harpoon. That's the that's the cold open everybody. That's it for that. I like to wrap for Jimmy and what was their name? What were their names? Susie. Yep. And so wrap for Jimmy and Susie. I liked the slow stab on the second kill because I found that, you know, in a series that as much as I have fond of, doesn't is low on scares for me.

Like, I don't feel like it's actually that good at suspense. I enjoyed the slow push in of a weapon. It's startling how poor the suspense is in so many of the stocking and killing scenes in this movie. How, functory everything comes off. Not to play money morning quarterback, but I think a little touch that could have been added to this because every time you see Jason, Jason at this point looks very wet. He is just dragged himself out of the water. He looks gross like a like a water sodden corpse.

I wish that every time he's like about to show up, the, the, his prey would be like, what's that smell? Like, because he would smell terrible. Like, I wish that like he was preceded by a horrible smell that they didn't understand, and they were grossed out by, so that then, like, there's this like running theme of like he is preceded by this horrible stench, you know, to build suspense. Yeah. And you could do other bits. Who knows?

You can smell bits. Did you do? Did you leave? No man, that must have been you. Oh, it's Jason. Oh, no. Maybe the first old Ram. Sorry.

No, the Ram. No, the Ram. The Ram release of the. Yeah, exactly. The smell of a wet mildewy corpse, constantly in the theater. Okay. So we are now this, we are now, we now have seen shortly after, I guess maybe the next morning, where the group of seniors are boarding a small cruise ship at a dock.

It's a small cruise ship that somehow has infinite space inside of it and multiple levels of basement that they can run through. So it's hard to understand. Just pipe filled basement. Constantly. So it's a cruise ship that has an entire hotel and warehouse inside of it. Yes. So we're introduced to our heroine, Renny, who is a socially awkward teenager who is followed by her dog Toby.

I believe she's being dropped off by her teacher, Miss Van Ducen, who gives her a pen as a graduation gift that was supposedly owned by Stephen King. Okay. The yacht, a little earlier from one horror master to another. The yacht from earlier slides into the dock, I'm assuming piloted by Jason. He's got a Mark Twain outfit on. Now, Mark Twain, when he was a riverboat captain, Mark Twain, the famous writer. Jason doesn't really, he hadn't thought it through. So it's kind of a mix of both.

And he had to make it with stuff that's from the boat. So we had to rip the stuff that there's out of a pillow so he could glue it to his face like a mustache, but he glued it over the mask. Yeah. So we then need an evil teacher played by an evil teacher named Mr. McCullough, who is Rene's legal guardian, and he doesn't want her to go on the trip. He's hesitant because she has issues. Especially if he has a heart of water. Yeah, she has a just a horrible fear of water. Both costuming and just like the face of the character actor, like this is like top drawer,

like 80s prig-ish guy, you know? Yes. Yeah. Like he's the guy who wants to shut down the concert. Exactly. He's the guy who I was assuming the dog was going to bite on the bottom. And he goes, oh, into the camera. I never told me. Meanwhile, on the bridge of the cruise ship, we're introduced to one of the teenagers, Sean, whose father is the captain of the boat who tries to give him command of the boat, but he doesn't do a very good job. So he runs away in a huff, leaving the captain still in church. It's pretty cool.

And then, and then as Sean is running across the deck, a deckhand warns him that the voyage is doomed. This deckhand, I think it's so funny. He just runs around going like everyone's going to die. You're all going to die. At no point does he get off the boat? He's wandering on the boat time and how everyone's like, why are you here? Like, God, nothing better to do. As far to my job to stay here. He's like, my life ain't so great. I get it. It's fine. I got to see my predictions.

I had it run. Yeah. Yeah. I got to see it. Yeah. So Jason climbs a board, of course. Still wet. The crews is underway.

The kids are having fun. They're playing shuffle board. They're shooting some ski. That's a weird choice. And then they are, they're like dancing like part of the, like the, the dining room has been turned into a dance hall. Yeah. It's like a little disco with light up floor. Sean, the son of the boat captain gives Renny a statue of Liberty necklace. And they plan to walk up all 22 stories of that statue. How romantic. How romantic.

Sounds about right. He, the way he makes it, but he talks about, he, the way he makes it sound sounds as if he thinks one, the statue will be open at night and two, that you don't need to like get tickets or anything like that. But it's just like a building that you can just saunter into and, and walk up. And I don't think he's counting the pedestal, which you also have to go up the steps of to get to the statue. See, that was another story at the time. Yeah. I was going to ask whether you had been to the top. Oh, yeah, for sure. I haven't not in a long time. And the last time I took a trip to New York, I really wanted to take my

older son. He really wants to go, but the tickets were sold out months and months in advance. And so I need to buy them a year in advance or something like that. But when I was younger, I went up there and it takes a long time. You stop and starting walking up because you're waiting, basically waiting online the entire time you're going up. You get to the windows and the crown, at least back then they were super filthy and you could not see very much through them. And then you go right back down again.

And the excitement of that trip was that a suddenly a teenager came running past us, pushing people aside, going down the stairs and a guard chased after him. And it turned out that he, I guess, had been peeing off the edge of the, of one of the railings and was now in trouble for it. So again, this is New York, not too long after Jason was there. So it was not the cleanest in the world. So it's probably a better security and clean of windows now. Yeah.

And but I mean, there's always like a 50% chance, like Magneto and his brotherhood of mutants or some shit are gonna be fucking up the thing. And the ex-clever head. Or that the independence day aliens are gonna knock it over. Cloverhead's gonna smack the head. Right off of it. Yep, old Cloverhead. Cloverhead, Cloverfield to knock it over Cloverhead's going to smack the head right off of it. Yeah, but old Cloverhead. Cloverhead Cloverfield.

I mean, Cloverhead, the alien of the four pedals. The luckiest, old Cloverhead. Cloverhead. Cloverhead is the most serious. Cloverhead is a good, is a good St. Patrick's Day theme to monster for a horror movie. St. Patrick's Day, a hard movie. But you guys have never been up there to the top of the statue. I have been to the island, but the time, like, you know, a friend was in town.

We took her to the thing because she wanted to do, like, you know, the big New York stuff. And it was like, I don't know, there was, because it was post 9-11 or they were just doing construction, but it was closed for a long time. Yeah, it was closed. It was closed every 9-11 and it was closed for reconstruction for a long time. But, it was closed. It was closed after 9-11 and it was closed for for reconstruction for a while. Yeah. But you can go up there now. It's, I mean, it's worth doing. It's, it's fun to do. It just takes just a lot of standing in line going upstairs. Yeah. I like those things. So we also, but Dan, you have a great relationship with your knees, right? Yeah. I'm back on the, on the cruise ship. We meet Wayne, a nerd with a camera, a real

Steven Soderberg type. And we have a, we have going to be a autobiography and dirt with the camera. And he is filming JJ, who is a rock chick, who's playing guitar licks on the top of the cruise ship. JJ then goes down into the steamy bowels of the ship to play guitar along with a tape. And then Jason shows up and kills her with her own guitar. Okay. I was sad to see this character go immediately after she was introduced. She seemed like Chad more flare than immediately seemed fun. Yeah. Yes. I was instantly the most, the most fun, most charismatic character of all the kids and then murdered immediately.

Yeah. Murdered immediately. Uh, Rene sees a vision of young Jason drowning through her poor hole. So it really is a poor hole of time. It is showing her the past. It is. When I saw it, I thought of you. The prestige.

No, we got that, that's hit from what 10 years ago. Finally, pain off. Oh, man, yeah, paid off in cash money, I would imagine. Okay. Then we see a boxing match between Julius, one of the other stars of this film and some other guy. Um, they're being watched by Tamara or Tamara and Eva who are kind of like mean girls, kind of popular girls. Um, and me. And I'm going to mention is played by Kelly and who or or here I think she just says Kelly who would go on to play Lady Death Strike in X two. Oh, one of them says, one of them says gorgeous guy at 10 o'clock looks sensual. I thought that was a good

line. They then conspire after they're almost caught doing cocaine or top drawer toot. I think they call it. They, they conspire to the brand name. That's the brand name. That's the brand name when you ask for it from the 30s. You want a little pepper step? Get some top draw to it. So they conspired to torture Rennie who's afraid of water and they push her overboard, which she does not like. I don't think anyone would even if you're not afraid of water, that's not wasn't to be pushed overboard off of it. Classic. No, Frank.

Get pushed up. Although based on the ship. Classic. Right. Get pushed up. Although based on the based on the background, it looks like they're they're going past like Vancouver Island or something. It's nice. I mean, it's cold, but nice. I mean, what's more than like the reason? Yeah, I would be really cold.

Okay, but I would imagine there's like a really nice like Otter or sea lion that would help you back on board. That's what came to life. Yeah, sure. Sure. there's like a really nice like otter or sea lion that would help you back on board That's what came to like Sure, sure. It's just like the legend that's I can't even if an otter is well meaning. I don't think it's gonna Be able to keep back on the mind. Not a strong animal. Yeah, I don't know Well, there's no key I mean the best case scenario the otter will be able to lie on its back and you can use it as a, you just as a wet pillow until it's a bang. Oh, that's how it's got a piece of shellfish there against your head to open it up.

Love it. Uh, uh, in the sauna, Jason finds the other boxer and he stuffs a hot rock into his belly until he dies. Mm-hmm. Okay. There was a, as far as kills go. That's pretty gross. I don't like that.

Rolling stones hot rocks. Yep. I was confused by the again, confused by what was going out with the ship where to each of them seem to have rooms that they were staying in for what appeared to be a multi-hour and that was it. Trip to New York. There's a sauna on board. There's very little adult supervision.

It was, you know, I couldn't quite figure out what. What's confusing. Usually when like teenagers are involved in a, I assume a class trip like this, there's some sort of a, like, agenda or schedule to keep the busy, but there was none of that here. Yeah. While, while Renny is in the water,

unfortunately, there are no otters or sea lions to save her. But instead, he has a vision of young Jason grabbing at her leg in the water. Uh, she's rescued, but then she has another vision of Jason through a mirror, young Jason through a mirror. And he reaches through the mirror and grabs her neck. And then she falls to the ground and he's gone again. Always cool. When someone reaches through a mirror, that's always a cool, always when someone reaches the repair that's always cool. Love it.

Yeah. Always cool. Best version of that for me is evil did too. I love Ashley, look, and I heard he jumps out himself. It's great. I will say in a movie that is like generally pretty cheap looking, even though apparently it had the highest budget of any of those things up until that point. Like young Jason looks like a garbage pill.

It's strange that maybe if that's the cost of shooting in New York, that like even this movie, which had a more than $5 million budget, and has no stars in it, looks cheap. Like, I don't know where the money's going. Tamara, one of the Mean Girls, tries to seduce Mr. McCullough so that she doesn't have to complete her like science project. So she takes off the kimono she's wearing and she has painted organ placements all over her body, which I'm like, at that point, maybe she completed the rules of her science

experience. I mean, that's a pretty good way to do it, do the assignment if that's the assignment, unless he's like, you were supposed to talk about molecular bonding, you know, I don't know what his assignment is, you know. And then she drags him to the bed and they kiss, but he resists, however, Wayne has been filming this thing the whole time and they blackmail him to, they don't really specify the terms of the blackmail, but you assume it's some kind of a blackmail. I mean, so she passes, but like he seems pretty dead set on actually not doing that.

They assume that it had worked after he left because he wouldn't dare the scandal, but I don't know. Anyway, Elliott, what were you saying? Sorry. Well, I'm gonna say, Mr. McCullough does not, he doesn't resist as much as he could have. It would have been much easier for him to remove himself, but also they all end up dead anyway. All this is moot. It doesn't matter. There's no Jason. Well, I they all end up dead anyway. All this is moot. It doesn't matter. There's no Jason. It's just strange to me that the filmmakers would include this scene and do any of

this, this kind of plotting or anything when it'll amount to nothing. It doesn't matter at all. It's amounts to nothing. Yeah, just an excuse to get another member of the cast naked. Yeah, just an excuse to get another member of the cast naked. Yeah, I don't know if that's it. It was a key part of the franchise. It's even sexier because her organs are drawn on her bodies. And you can imagine what's going on under, not just under her clothes, but under her skin. In an extortion plot with an older teacher, all of it's super hot. Do you guys ever go on like a school field trip to like a science center where you saw

a lady with like translucent skin with organs in it? I think they called her Pam at my in Fort Wayne. I never met him. Okay. No, I haven't met him. But he was like a way to like show the, it was a way to like, I mean, it was obviously not a real person. It was a, like, I mean, it was obviously not a real person. It was a, like, all sand, whatever.

Pam died. Yeah. I'm so sorry. Sorry, I had to find out on a podcast live. Okay. So, she celebrating her big victory. She is going, goes to the shower. Jason shows up, breaks in and then stabs her

with a mirror fragment, how ironic that a young woman obsessed with her appearance would die by a mirror. Yeah, like the story of Narcissus itself. Mm-hmm. A storm rolls in. Jason kills the captain in the first mate and then Sean and Renny find the bodies. Wait, that's Sean's dad. That's and Jason is somehow propped up Sean's dad's body against the wheels that doesn't fall down, which seems like a necessary. Why would he bother to do that? He does that shit all the time, dude. He's all about scare factory. I guess the killing is just a way for him

to get to scares. He's more interested in scaring someone with a body than he's in killing the person. Well, yeah, because the next scene it follows that. So they try and radio for help. And Jason lets them make the initial radio call. And then we see him yanking the wires out. He lets them think something's going to happen. Then he showed like midway through. He cuts them off.

Yeah. And luckily, he knew exactly when they were going to use the radio and the right moment to pull those wires. That's a thing. He's so good at what he does. Yeah. He had been drowned as a kid who knows what would have become of him. He'd be jigsaw, Dan.

If he hadn't drowned as he could, he'd have been jigsaw. It plays to his skills. The plus teleportation. The rest of the survivors report, I'll show up at the bridge, including at this point, Julius is now wearing the exact same cool tracksuit top that I used to own and made me so excited to see it in a movie like I used to have that jacket. And then that weird old deck hand shows up again to tell them it's Jason. Jason's the one doing the killing. Mr. McCullough's like, shut up, but it's like everyone agrees.

It's probably Jason to do the killing. It's all getting the same page here. Yeah. Jason. Look, let's, again just like he did seven times before. Actually, he can't only six times. It was his mom the first time. Five though, because then there was another guy. Yeah, four or five, yeah. That's right. You're right, you convinced, yeah, that's true.

Okay, like he's done five times. Five times to be honest, I'm not always the most informed guy about Jason and his killings, being a deck handy just works on the lake. If it's not related to the lake, I'm not always the most informed guy about Jason and his killings being a deckhand who just works on the lake. If it's not related to the lake, I'm not really that into it. You want to hear some facts about the lake? You know, when the glaciers came down, they carved this lake, killing many probably. I think one of the glaciers look kind of like a hockey mask. Talk out that is Jason.

In a way, the glaciers were bigger killers than Jason. Think about it. Think about it. Are you thinking about it? Don't think about it too much. It'll distract you and then Jason will stab you in the back. Okay, that can't. Can we go?

It's a kind of danger. Do you have to go to the bed? I can't. I can't do it. I can't do it. I can't do it. I can't do it. I can't do it.

I can't do it. I can't do it. I can't do it. I can't little bit. We didn't, it not that she was, I we didn't break up because she was crazy. You just, you know, I, we didn't, we didn't have the chemistry. So I was almost Jason's dead in a way. Can you imagine that? Well, no, that's not how reproduction works. It would have been different. It would have been different. The different child would have been born better for everybody.

You're saying I should have pursued her so that Jason would never be born. I mean, it's, hold on, let me get my time machine. Hold on, wait a minute. Because it was all a misunderstanding. I thought she was waiting for me at one place and she thought I was going to meet her at another place. And, you know, we just never connected after that. You know, I guess if we had met more to each other, we would have, yeah, we would have, you know, life happens. You get married, you have kids, you grow up suddenly, a woman you dated a long time ago, killing teenagers at the summer camp. It's a lot like our town.

And their son goes into the family business. Yeah, it's just like our town. Just either the generations ahead of us, millions of them getting married to by two. So he defines Tamer's body and then she runs away from Jason only to get cornered in the day on the dance floor. And then he strangles her. This was a fun scene where she see she's in the middle of the dance floor. She sees Jason.

She looks away. It looks back. He's gone completely. And then he is right up on her and chokes her. Like he does a lot of that like all of a sudden teleport surprise attack. And this is I thought this was the best thing in the movie. This dance floor, it's great, it's really well done. And then he kills her and chokes her death. And then at the end, he just dumps her body on the floor.

And there's this heavy thud. And that was the most chilling moment in the home movie to me. That was the only time I was like, oh, a person just died. Like Jason just murdered someone. There was a life inside that body and now it's empty. And I was like, if the home movie was at that level, it would, it could be a really good, you know, a hundred percent with nature.

Yeah. Okay, so Julius kind of takes charge of all the teens. They divide up the weapons, including those shotguns used for ski shooting. Wayne takes a shotgun and his camera and he goes down into the bowels of the ship again. He gets blasted by steam. So his glasses fall off in his confusion. He accidentally shoots either a fellow student or somebody who went on the boat. Then Jason shows up, beats him up and then throws him onto a control panel, which electrocutes

him and then sets the body on fire, causing a large fire on the ship. So Wayne really, a lot happens with Wayne on this moment. Yeah. This is like a multiple death character moment. Yeah, it's really, it's actually really great. Okay. I mean, if he had been killed, his life would have been ruined anyway by that accident. So, you know, like, you're saying Jason's a hero.

In a way, it was a mercy. Yeah. We should all Jason's a hero. In a way it was a mercy. Yeah. We should all be more like Jason. You say that Dan, you say that Dan, but no, no, no less illustrious person than Adelaide Stevenson. Twice the Democratic nominee for president, it was the mayor, Democratic candidate for mayor, some American. Twice the Democratic candidate for president of the United States accidentally shot and

killed someone in his youth. He was able to get past it. So I think I think he was. It's a good lesson for us all. 12 or 13. You never killed go out and shoot someone and grow up to be Adelaide Stevens. It's a very sad story. He was like 12 or 13 and was handed a gun that he thought was that he was told was not loaded and pointed at a girl and shot her dead. Oh, it's terrible. And really traumatized him for a while. But he went on to be a really impressive figure in American politics. So yeah, that's the secret. If you want to be the Democratic candidate for president,

I guess have a horrible thing that you do by accident when you're a kid. So. So now we get some kids running around on the deck of the ship. It's all rainy. One of the kids climbs a mast to try and of a Jason. He keeps looking over his shoulder. Then all of a sudden, Jason just grabs him, chucks him onto a, underlikes from spikes and he dies. Jason surprised Julius and throws him overboard. Don't worry. He didn't die. He'll show back up. Renny sees another

vision of young Jason drowning and then old Jason headbutts his way through a poor hole and Renny stabs him in the eye to escape. One neat bit is when Jason pulls the what knife or pen or whatever. It's the pen. The pen she was given as a gift by her teacher. Oh, when he pulls it out like lake water spills out instead of blood. I thought. Yeah. The gross old lake water.

And it's like Jason's crying like, is this what I've become? Yeah, it's in the ring. Yeah. And it is literally Chekhov's pen because even though they say it's Stephen King's pen in the movie, I think they bought it at an auction, the Chekhov auction estate. And so that was the actual pen that anti-Chekhov used to write three sisters, I believe. So historic artifact for Russian literary and drama history. Yeah. Yeah. So the ship is sinking. Well, just respect by J. It's a regular one who's a staff of people's

faces, you know, the ship is sinking. So Renny Sean, Mr. McCullough, Miss Van Ducen, Toby the dog board a lifeboat. And then they managed to pull Julius aboard and they escape surrounded by fog. When the fog clears, they're in New York Harbor. What? What a great school trip. And they go see Manhattan Melody on Broadway starring the Muppets. And they're like, this is what we came to Manhattan. Somebody's getting married. Do you guys want to do somebody song? Somebody somebody somebody somebody somebody somebody. Yeah, I mean, this movie, I just think about this. This movie came out what, five years after the Muppets Take Manhattan. So do you think Jason takes Manhattan was a deliberate play on that?

Or do you think if Manhattan was a preexisting phrase? Well, there's that song I'll take Manhattan. But by Jason. Yeah, but yeah, well, by Jason and the Argonauts, the Argonauts were just this band. I think, but Jason, yeah, they're like the Archies. They were just studio musicians that were partying together for that one song. Yeah. I saw the cover band, the Golden Fleses. They were pretty good.

No, yeah, they do just do Jason and the Argonauts stuff. Yeah. That's plural for fleas. Fleas. Yeah. Pleasers. So they, they just embark and they enter New York City. Jason drags himself a shore shortly after them. As soon as they get to New York, they are immediately mugged by some gang member youth types. Even before that, even before that, the teacher, Mr McCullough, he's such a dick to everybody. He goes, oh, you couldn't have found a better place to duck the boat.

And it's like, dude, he just, he's not a ship's captain. He managed to pilot this boat to New York City and dock it. And these are the ducks. It's not like you can go anywhere in New York City and just leave your boat tied up. It was such an unnecessary dig. I felt, I was really mad at that guy at that moment. Yeah, yeah. I hope something bad happens to him.

I hope he gets drowned in a trash can after this. I was actually mad at that guy at that moment. Yeah. I was something bad happens. I hope he gets drowned in a trash can after this. So they get mugged by some thugs who decide to kidnap or any it this point. I'm like, that's a mistake, guys. Well, you don't want to get into kidnapping. Why are you where you're complicating things? I mean, this is New York in the 80s. As we all know from the movies, gangs of multi-ethnic

thugs are just robbing people and kidnapping young white women. And they don't know that- It's pretty painting, Johnny V. Exactly, and inducting him into their gang. They've been kicking people's balls into outer space, which is not legal. And you have to see that- Cool. And unusual.

They're also, they're, they're movie criminals, but they're, they, they are not aware that she is a psychic link with a death elemental. Yeah. Driven to chase her. Yeah. So they, they take Rene down Allie where they inject her with some milky green drugs before they attempt to take sexual liberties with her. Before that can happen, Jason shows up and he takes the drug needle and rams it through

the back of one guy killing him. And then he smashes the other goons face against esteem pipe. I'm assuming killing him as well. Renny runs away. Julius then leads Jason to the roof of a building where they have a one-sided boxing match where Julius tires himself out, punching Jason a whole bunch. And then he gives Jason a opportunity. Let him wear, let him wear themselves out.

And then, and then Julius gives Jason the opportunity to take his best shot. So Jason punches his head off and it rolls down a roof into a dumpster, which is, yeah. So real laugh. I also forgot to mention this. As soon as Jason got to New York, he saw a big, a big billboard for a hockey goalie and a hockey mask. And it's, you know, it's hilarious. And he has a moment of, is that me? Like, it's all real physical. Am I big? Am I big New York? Am I, is, is, is that big me? Big brother, me. So McCullough then shows up with a police, a New York NYPD officer who is very Canadian. Yes, extreme. And Sean and Renny show up as well. They all get into the cop car where

Jason has already posed Julius is severed head on the dashboard. He's such a fucking skimp this guy. He killed a lot of time. Why you love him? Is that what you love him? I love him, I love him. I love him. Because he's such a stinker.

We didn't, we didn't mention that. We didn't mention that. It's constantly always. Yeah. I don't think we mentioned, but Jason, of course, and this go around played by fan favorite, Kane Hodder. He's your favorite. Easily my favorite. There's no question. Easily the best for the Jason's. That's for sure. Now, as far as Jason looks go, I would say this is not one of the strongest Jason looks. Number one, of course, is part seven.

Jason looks incredible in that. A perfect like the writing. Jason looks incredible. He does. Part seven is one is like kind of tied. Part four and seven are my two favorites. What's this basically? I don't know. Seven is the one where he's seven is the one that's basically fire starter meets Jason and it rocks. It just rocks so hard. Seven and four is great because it's kind of the perfect like Friday of 13th movie. And that's the one with Corey Feldman in it. Yeah. I think that's my faith. That's the one I used to see on TV the most. And they've been close. They felt they would play that the most. Yeah. But I will say, I agree that they look his look in this one is it doesn't help that he's

wet all the time. And it doesn't help that he's wet all the time and it doesn't help that his clothes are like ripped, but not ripped in that scary zombie way. Yeah, not ripped to that sexy zombie way. Thank you. Thank you. And I think because he's so wet and he's always shiny as a result of that, in my memory as a kid, before I finally saw the movie, I think remembering him from, from the commercials, I thought he was wearing like hell, like hell razor type like Santa

Bite Black leather, like some kind of shiny cool leather. And again, finally watching it and being like, oh, he just looks like a garbage man whose clothes got ripped up. Like that's not, that's not exciting, you know? Yeah. And he doesn't know where he went enough to be like, what is it, the tarman zombie from Returned Limit? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And he doesn't know where he went enough to be like, what is it, the tarman zombie from return? Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. No, that's a slap favorite. It's not like gross, like, like, like, like, reprehensible, like, load some wet. It's just kind of like, ugh, okay. You're gonna check all of it from everywhere. Yeah. And like, I don't want to be on the subway with that guy.

No, exactly, but not because I think he's going to kill me just because it's going to smell and, you know, he'll be that smell that you were hoping for is a. Yeah. So they, so they, they take the cop car and they run over Jason, but then another vision of young Jason causes Renny to crash the cop car, which explodes, killing Miss Finn Ducin. Renny stares into a puddle and has a flashback to a summer as a child where Mr. McCullough pushes her into the lake in an attempt to teach her to swim only for her to be pulled down by young Jason. Huh.

And he's saying to her, this all comes from he's saying to her, you better learn to swim or Jason's going to drag you down like he's using Jason as a as a scary boogie man to get her to start swimming. Doesn't work. Sean pushes Mr. McCullough into some trash and runs off Jason wakes up. Sheers. Yeah. Jason wakes up.

So Mr. McCullough runs. Yeah, that was, that was the number one standup in sheer moment, right? It was number one. Yeah. Number two was the flash. Tell the flash came along. Obviously, Mr. McCullough pushed into some garbage. I kind of want to go back through every years where the movies and pick the stand up

and cheer. What a project. And that'll be a great flybass mini. Okay. That'll be a good one. 1968, I assume it's Charlton Heston finally talks to the apes. That was the big stand up and my god, everybody lost their fucking mind. He says get your stick and pause on me. You damn dirty apes. The audience lost it. Just jumped up and screamed. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. People were buying shirts that said that line. Yeah. Yeah. So Jason wakes up. Uh, Mr. McCullough sees Jason and he runs away and tries to hide in a band of building. He is immediately chucked out of a window. Uh, not by the residents. I think it would have been fun if he ran up and then like residents of a New York building just chucked him out so he could be beaten up. But for Jason, we don't care. Uh, then, uh, pay a 3500 a month for this abandoned building apartment. Get at it. Charlene's Charlene's cousin sent her a video of of statin island. I don't know if you guys you guys are familiar with the statin island turkeys. Not a sports team. It's just that there's a lot of wild turkeys that live on statin island. Oh, okay. And she has this video

that's a of this like van pulling up on the street next to a turkey and the guy just yells out the window, get the fuck out of here. It's like the most it's the most stat not only have ever seen. I love it. So. Why should go sit some gravy. Okay. So then Jason, speaking of gravy, Jason then picks up Mr. McCullough and stuff some headfirst into a barrel of green toxic waste with a dead rat in it and drowns him as we had in the 80s. In the 80s, open barrels of toxic waste, lifting the waterfront. Sean and Ready, go sit down on a bed bug

couch. It's so funny to me to watch these movies now too and look back on my memories of New York at the time where I was not in the most rundown areas of New York city when I was a kid when I would go and visit my grandma, but it was very much like I would go to New York, I'd visit my grandmother. We'd go to Broadway show, we get dinner to Chinese restaurant. Like the idea that New York was just like a hellhole with open barrels of toxic waste everywhere and abandoned buildings full of rats and monsters. This is like, and just like, I never experienced that New York the same way.

I mean, when we go to Broadway shows, we would have to walk past like Times Square, like Peep Show, Emporium, and things like that. But it was not, that was the least of it, you know, that was about it. And you're like, and you're like, Grandma, what's that? And she'd be like, not for you yet. Someday, someday you'll learn the ways of the flesh. Well, when a man loves a lot of women very much, when a man, well, when a man loves pleasureing himself to the fantasy image of a woman because he feels uncomfortable around the real thing because he fears about being an intimate, truly intimate mean. Anyway, I have some friends who are going to flay you, but you're going to like it.

And then the next time you take me away. Wow. So yeah, what a cottage core pinhead we have there. Okay. So Sean and Renny sit on a bed bug couch left in Nallie Way and they share a, a chased kiss. There's a rare, a moment of intimacy that they get before Jason burst through some boxes. They then bore the subway train while Jason chases them through the tunnels. And this is really where I'm like, you know what? Many heck of New York, the death train did this better.

Thank you. I appreciate that. So they, what partly because it is clearly not a New York subway train that they're on, but also the other people, aside from when he, Jason pushes someone over, but otherwise he's just ignoring everybody else around. Yeah. He's only focused on these two teams. He doesn't care about anybody else, which is not my, it's just not my image of horror. You know, my image as any readers of maniac of New York, the Death Train, that's the first collection, second collection is of course maniac of New York, the Bronx is burning. That my, what I always wanted to see was adjacent who is just an unstoppable massacre murder machine who does not have personal vendetta's. So much it's just wants to, wants to kill and just walks through like a,

like a lawnmower blade, just hacking people apart. And that's not what we get here. And I will say I do like, they pull the emergency cord and Jason falls and slides seemingly almost the length of the car. Yeah, that's great. And I'm like, yeah, that's cool. It's super clumsy, but I imagine this huge Hawking monster

would get that kind of distance. And he's wet too. So. Yeah, the, yeah, I mean, it's like how It's super clumsy, but I imagine this huge, Hawking monster would get that kind of distance. And he's wet too. So yeah, the, uh, yeah, I mean, it's like how one of the things I like about Jason X is where Jason wakes up on a space station in the future. And he's like, okay, time to go. Yeah, he may as well have like shrugged to the audience. The, the, how, how clear his attitude is. It's just like, okay. I'm trying to make the doughnuts. That's more the image of Jason I like. Yeah.

Yeah, where he like picks up his old machete and then he sees like a futuristic machete, he's like, no, no, I'll take the future. That's fine. Well, that picks up his old better. picks up his old machete. He goes, at last, my right arm is completely. at last. My right arm is completely again. Yeah. Yeah. So they may have should knock Jason on a third rail. He gets zapped and we're like, oh, wow, that's cool. The nightmare is over. No chance. They escaped, they escaped to Times Square. Jason follows them. This is probably where all the budget went is shooting in Times Square. Yeah. Yes, entirely. And I was trying to figure out whether I thought this was dumb or not, that they get to Times Square and they look around in awe, like any city, any country bumpkin being in Times Square

for the first time. But I was like, that dumb, that they're not running. Then I'm like, you know what? They think this traumatic experience is over. And now they're overwhelmed by the lights and noise of Times Square. Maybe they would stop and try to make sense of it all with their mouths hanging a gaipe at the moment. Maybe that's a good moment of characterization. I don't know.

I wanna apologize on behalf of all transplants or visitors to New York for all these attitudes. A bumpkin. They're called bumpkins. To its bumpkins. Who I was once a bumpkin who was impressed by time square two. I think that the, I need to explain that. I believe when Dan first got to New York, he was wearing a straw hat and overalls.

Yeah, overalls. And he had a tug of an head, my strap. No, but I, I, I, all of these things were in a bindle. Yeah. He had a jug of moonshine. Our terrible first, his first words upon seeing the city were gars. Our attitudes are informed by having all of us lives in New York for decades. I mean, in that case, obviously, not currently, but- Well, but I also, I grew up in New Jersey. Well, I grew up in New Jersey, I had family in New York. So I was going in and out of New York a lot as a child.

And I do wish that I had the experience of experiencing New York for the first time as an adult, because I imagine it is an exciting, overwhelming thing as opposed to it feeling familiar. But what are you going to say, Dan? I apologize. Well, and I'm saying that our attitudes, you know, are informed, of course, by just having to go through Times Square as residents every once in a while. Well, thank you. How unpleasant it is, how it is, you know, it is filled with our

towers who don't know how to not stop in the middle of the road. It's just me bumping into tourists going, get the fuck out of here. And how and how if you live in Times Square, if you don't work in that area, you are just passing through it. There's no reason for you to be hanging out there because you don't need to be at the M&M store. Unless you're going to a Broadway show or something. And I was like, the scary shows. Less than a low on M&Ms. Yeah, we're all fired fucking M&Ms. You're right. It's the only place in M&Ms. They don't taste right at the other stores because

they make them, I guess, there. That's where they're killing those big talking M&Ms and chopping them up into the 11 M's. No, those are a little poop I guess from. There's just M&Ms in the bag being force fed like Fawaragi's that they poop out more M&Ms. I will say that I'm saying the most scared I've ever been in New York. And I don't I didn't New York was not up to the scarcity I found scary maybe because I was used to it as a kid. But the most good ever was was being in Times Square walking through it when the Super Bowl

was in New Jersey and all the Super Bowl weekend events were in New York and Times Square. And it was so packed full of locals and tourists that it was the only time I've ever been in a situation where I was desperately worried that there would be a stampede and I'd be trampled to death. It was so scary how packed it was. And so Times Square is a place you try to, I had a reverse vanilla sky experience where Tom Cruise was like, where's all the people? Like, me, I was like, there's too many people here. What's going on? So Times Square can be scary. In some ways, it's scary as Jason. Yeah. Yeah. I got two words for Scariest New York Moment, Santa, Con. Okay. Well, that was, whenever I had so many memories of having meeting up with my family, my family

coming in for New Jersey, meeting my grandmother, all meeting together in a restaurant and then seeing outside the hordes of Santa Con roaming around. And it's just kind of hiding in the restaurant as if zombies were rampaging the city and finally found refuge. You know, yeah, Santa Con horrible. So they escaped to New York. They're running away from Jason Jason in his pursuit. Manch is a kick over a boom box. Some thugs attempt to accost him. They say, you're dead meat.

He turns around and lifts up his mask unseen by the viewer. And they turn around and run away. It's as if to ask good bit as if to confirm to them, I am dead meat. You're right. I'm a rotting corpse. It is also this is a moment of surprising self-awareness on Jason's, yeah, knowing that all he needs to do is to show them his visage. Then this is why, this is a moment that under, it's a, it's a funny moment, but it, it undercuts Jason considerably to me because it shows that self-awareness and also that he's like, yeah, you kids, get out of here. You know, like he's, he's, he's kind of, it's a, it is a, it is a, awareness and also that he's like, yeah, you kids get out of here, you know, like he's, he's kind of, it's a, it is, it feels like

more of a Freddie type thing to do than a Jason. It turns to the camera and goes next time and winks. You know, I asked him, you know, kids, these days, yep. And then he chews on a, on a carer. Now you've been scared straight. That's what he says to them. And they run away. They escape through the Times diner, which I don't know about you guys. I love. There's a little joke about how they tell the way, the grizzled waitress that they're being pursued by a killer. And she's like, welcome to New York. Yeah. And she also answers

a phone. She also answers a phone and says that they're open till 3 a.m. every day. And I'm like, oh, I missed that New York. Because a lot of the late late spots aren't open anymore. Thanks, COVID. Okay. Well, I chose you how long it used to be able to say, thanks, Giuliani.

Thanks, Bloomberg. Now thanks, COVID. You know what? I've seen so many generations of New Yorkers getting mad that New York is out there. What it once was. I feel like, I feel like if it was up to, if it was up to Eric Adams, restaurants and clubs would be open all night long every day, 24 hours. He's a party mayor and a piece of shit, but they'd all take crypto. Yeah, they'd only

be paid. You could only pay in crypto and so here's I have been I'm only, I only have to pay attention to Eric Adams, because I don't live in New York anymore. I'm not it. I figured I should learn about the politics of city I live in. It seems every time I hear something about him, I'm like, what is this guy's deal? Like what is his, what is his, I don't understand it. I just don't understand. He's the guy who who promised to be one the primary, he would get his ears pierced and

then he did. It's like, that's not a sacrifice. That's not like a guy who shaves his beard if you make it to the playoffs. That's just a guy who's like, hey, I wanted to get this thing done so I did. It's also, it's, but it's also weird. I set up my self. It's a weird incentive to give to voters in a, in a democratic primary that like, hey, check it out. I'll pierce my ears if you vote for me. And then mean like, I'd love to see that. Yeah. We'll see that. Okay. So the escape out the back of the diner.

I do want to say in the diner, this is a little, this is a little not yet, he's not quite Easter egg. Jason gets into a fight with the short order cook there. And the man who plays the short order cook would go on to play Jason in Freddie versus Jason. No, that's nice to see. Mm-hmm. So it's like Jason is fighting with this fight even with this future self. It's a very edible moment, you know, between the two of them. Yeah, it is. It is.

It's an adiner. Yeah. Dan, I just think, yeah. Yeah. We're at the same room. So we can't high five, but we're doing it spiritually. Mm-hmm. They escape out the back and into another flooded tunnel.

They run into another very Canadian workman who explains that the sewer tunnel's flood was. He's extremely, as Canadian as that cop was earlier, the tunnel guy is so much more Canadian. And I'm just like, really, you had to get a local, you couldn't have, you couldn't have told him to at least try to sound New York. It's amazing to me. They're like, yeah, with the bushy as mustache. Yeah. Like he might as well have been wearing a, a Mounty hat and waving a Canadian flag and a hockey stick.

Yeah. Trigna LaBots blue. So, hold on. Let me tell you about, let me tell you about the sewers. But first I got to finish this plate of putty and hold on a second. Like it's just go all the way. So they, the Canadian workman explains that the sewer tunnels filled with toxic waste every every day at midnight A. And then Jason kills him with classic monkey, New York stuff. Such a bonkers idea that every night at midnight, one, where's the toxic waste coming from?

Two, that they would flush it out through the sewers every night, every night at midnight. I mean, life's not even that late to do it. People are still out. It could splash out of the sewer gradings. And I do like that these, that these sewer tunnels have like hanging pendant lights. Yes. Well, there's like, seems strange for, for like a sewer tunnel. For what is essentially a tunnel for just for just for liquid waste to have plates for anyone who

might be walking through it. Yeah. We do it to flush out all the food protocols. So none of these magwa either. Yeah. Yeah. Then you got a Grimmland problem. Oh no, you wouldn't want one of those.

Wow, we're doing man. We're really killing. We're actually. Yeah. Fantastic. Yeah. It's fantastic. Yeah. Okay. So, uh, Renny leads Jason away from Sean and throws toxic waste in his face, uh, which

I guess like Bernsim or blinds him, he takes his mask off. Uh, they climb a ladder to escape, but a blind and maskless Jason grabs their legs, uh, and then he is washed away in a tide of toxic waste. And then we see some parallels between Jason's original drowning. Lightning strikes the city a bunch. And Jason has now become young Jason again. He has like lightning hits the statue of Liberty, right? Yeah. I guess it's like evil lighting or maybe that's where they're flushing the toxic

waste through. Get the tourists out every night at midnight. We send toxic waste through the statue of Liberty. So you got to get the tourists out. Every night at midnight, we send toxic waste through the Statue of Liberty. Okay, so you got to get the tourists out of there. Lady Liberty cleanses the toxic waste and makes it pure water. Wait, if I didn't drinking that? That's why it says, excuse me, give your toxic, your impure, your bad water that needs cleaning. That's what it says at the bottom of the pedestal. Well, she does it all.

Okay, and then they walk through the city. I thought it was from Canada. It might be from Chicago. I'm not totally sure where the exit is. Then they walked through the streets of New York. Now the workmen said they flush that it floods with toxic waste at midnight, but when they're walking through the streets, it seems like it's like shortly before dawn. I could be wrong, but it doesn't feel like midnight at this point. It might be it, maybe it's just that time of year in New York when the song rises at 12 o'clock one a.m. Yeah. And then of course Toby the dog runs up and everyone's like, yeah, and then at the end of the movie and we get kind of a banger of a theme song during the credits. Oh sure. This movie in which a zombie, a killer zombie follows teenagers that take a boat from Crystal Lake through

the waterways of the East Coast to Manhattan. And then toxic waste and magic lightning deages him into a child. The most unbelievable thing to me was that Toby the dog is like, rough, rough. Here I am. Like, that he just shows up and meets up with them. That seemed bonkers too far. You know that in the first screening they showed it and everybody was like, what happens with a dog? I don't like it if I don't see what happens with a dog. So that's why they

have Toby the dog show up like. Here's, here's my larger question. Why is Toby the dog in this movie? To give a hash away. You just saw a bunch of kids being killed. You got a picture of a dog. He does, he does nothing. He disappears. There were parts in the room. I'm like, oh, yeah, they had a dog with them because he shows up. And I wonder if they had something planned with it, like a Jason versus dog scene that either they couldn't do because they couldn't get the, the budget wouldn't have laughed for it.

Or that they were like, or that they had a scene where Jason killed a dog and it did not go over well as they had to bring him back at the end. I want to. I bet there's a sequence where Toby the dog slurped up some toxic waste and turned into like a giant hybrid and then they got a big fight like an interturtle. That was pretty good. He just turns into it was either Toka or Razar. I forget which one of them from secret of the use was the mammal.

But he fights Jason. What a what a movie this could have been. Yeah. Yeah, more series should do that. Their eighth episode. Just taking our radical shift right in the middle of the film. Like what? I guess this is happening now.

Yeah. Toxic waste animals into animal people. I get that. So Jason number nine is him leading an army of animal people like he's Dr. Maraud. Yeah. Play the long game. So yeah, we play the long game. It's already the youth chapter of the series day.

And this is already a long game. Was this movie totally terrifying? Was it totally snorrifying? Or was it frighteningly funny? And interpret that how you will. Hey, these categories. I feel like so many movies do doesn't fall in them so I'm going to say this doesn't fall enough.

I'm going to say like all Friday, their team's movies is good, but it's a bit, it's frighteningly funny, I think it's not one of the stronger entries in the series, but you know, I enjoyed it. I like it. Yeah, I mean, it's not actually, it's not totally scarifying, but I wasn't necessarily laughing at it. It's just that for me, probably the 13 movies, even though I don't particularly like any individual ones all that much, I like them in the aggregate as like a thing. And this is not the worst of them. There are worse, I think.

So- What's the worst one? What's the worst one, Dan? I don't like, I don't like that one that where he's not, it's not Jason. I can't. The first one. Oh far far. Yeah. Wait, is that the wait, but also that one's really dirty.

So I kind of like that part of it, right? That one's pretty dirty. Yeah. Yeah. Um, you like everything except the glass. I know the making part three. That's one. Yeah, three.

I saw it in 3D and I enjoyed it. I think that I didn't see it just normal style. I don't know. You didn't understand why Jason was using the screen. Yeah, that's good to say. Jason stopped to use a ping pong paddle for 10 minutes.

Anyway, you know, I kind of liked it. Ellie. I would call it mostly, I, you know, I kind of liked it. Elliot. I would call it mostly, I don't know, it's like the, I feel like there's a number of different movies going on in this movie. Most of it is snorrifying to me. Some of it is funny. I, the, the, the, if that one scene, the dance, the dance room, kill, I think is genuinely scary and well, you put together. And I wish the movie had been like that. But to be honest, and I think if the movie was not selling itself as Jason

takes Manhattan, it would feel like a better scary movie because them showing up, they're actually getting to New York would be a twist akin to the end of Dial of Destiny, where I was like, well, this is not the place I expected this Indiana Jones movie to go to. Right. You know, I think it's a, but I think it's so hard for me to separate it from the idea in my head of what this should be. And what it should be is the maniac in New York from Aftershock Comics. And so I feel like, in a weird way, I have defeated this film. And so it's hard for me to judge it. As I'm standing atop it with my foot on its neck, daring it to try to get up so I can knock it down again. I feel like it's unfair for me to judge it,

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All right, class. Tomorrow's exam will cover the science of Perfect Pitch, the history of pride flags and speedrunning video games. Any questions? Ah, yes, you in the back. Uh oh, what is this? It's the podcast. Let's learn everything. But we learn about science and a bit of everything else. My name's Tom, I study cognitive and computer science, but I'll also be your teacher for intermediate emojis. My name's Caroline and I did my master's in biodeverse deconservation, and I'll be teaching

you intro to Things The British Museums' style. My name's Ella, I did my Masters in Biodeverse Deconciliation and I'll be teaching you intro to Things The British Museums' style. My name's Ella, I did a PhD in Stem's Arbology, so obviously I'll be teaching you the history of fan fiction. Class meets every other Thursday on Maximum Fun. So do I still get credit for this? No. Obviously no, no. It's a podcast. No, no. It's a podcast. Okay. Um, well, why don't we put that behind us and, um, we'll talk letters from listeners. We, uh, we get some letters from listeners like you. And we like to answer them here on the flop house. This first letter is from Sean last name Spookily with help. Ooh. How do you withhold something spookily like you do? You're like, oh, you can't have it. Maybe it goes to the...

Happy Shocktober. In honor of the spooky season and my needs reduce the movies in my watch list, I've been binging the psychosequals with my boyfriend, having only learned about them from a friend of mine last year. Your mileage may vary, but I, for one, absolutely adore the second and third, not only because it has more characters, more twists and turns, but because Anthony Perkins seemed to really

be working through his issues with his own mother in these films. So much so, he took the reins on three, and didn't cop out for the happy ending, the original screenwriter had in mind for Norman, choosing instead a more authentic direction. My hot take, the sequels are more interesting than the original psycho. A movie I like, that's very hot. I can't go that far, but I do like those. That's an incredibly hot take.

I do, I would almost say, maybe, maybe you could say more interesting, but I can't say as good. I don't know. The picture is my knowledge, but Sean keeps on. We also recently watched the scanner sequel and had a blast. More gore, more wild choices and a gritty, rubby quality on that VHS can truly capture. We have an extensive VHS collection. Though I will always prefer a cronin burst work.

Well, for certain things, it adds a little something. Yeah. I will always prefer Cronenberg's work and the original more. I was surprised. I don't hate this movie. My questions for you all are. That was the name of Roger Ebert's collection of reviews, right? I was surprised I don't hate this movie.

Yeah. I mean, with Roger, you probably shouldn should have been that surprised. You did it all like things. He did, he did mostly tend to like things. My questions from you for you all are, are there any sequels or legacy sequels prequels that you enjoy as much if not more than the original? And can you recall a time a movie meant more to you because of a knowledge and or context about the filmmaker, keep flopping the free world shawne. I got to think about the second part of that, which I think is actually like one of the more interesting parts of the question, but for the first part, legacy

sequel wise, I've never been much of a Blade Runner guy. I think it's beautiful. I see all the stuff that's iconic about it that has been taken by other movies. And I think what your house great in it. And there's some other great supporting performances, but I find it a little inert as a narrative. But I remember really enjoying the, the Denny Villanue of Blayhunter, what 2046, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the previous movies in the series. He has finally achieved. Like he finally got there and I didn't even know he wasn't there yet. I feel like the tough thing, I don't know about you guys, but I feel like the tough thing with a

lot of sequels is if I was introduced to the movies after a bunch of sequels had already come out, I'm kind of like, I'm softer on certain sequels because they were the first movie I was exposed to. So like, I like, you know, police academy too, just as much as police. No, but I mean, praise is that me? No, I'm just joking. I mean, but do you understand like, like, for instance, you know, like Empire Strikes Back, I like as much if not more than a new hope. So I would say the, I guess that's sequels or legacy sequels. And when I was thinking about this, I was really only thinking about legacy ones as opposed to direct sequels because it's like, there's ones I like, I love Brian Frankenstein,

more than Frankenstein. As much as I love Gremlins, Gremlins 2 is like a special movie to me in a way that Gremlins isn't the same way. But they're a number of them where it feels like it's a, I feel like the sequel is like, if it's the same guiding force and they're like trying a new thing, it can be really exciting. But I was thinking about like, when there's a long time between, and I think I like Creed more than I like Rocky,

I think it benefits a lot from the the the history that's in it and also I Find Rocky to be kind of like a in some ways is kind of like a I don't know like a stumbling movie. It's kind of wandering around a little bit in that 70s way And I feel like Stallone is a better actor at this point in his Now there was then yes, and I would argue Ryan Kugler probably a better director at this point in his career. Now that it was then, yes. And yes. And I would argue Ryan Kugler, probably a better director than Silvestra, than still underrated.

No, not the first one. Still. The D'Angelo. The D'Angelo. D'Angelo. I don't know. And there's, there's something about, maybe it's just that it speaks to me where there's something about the story about a son trying to deal with the relationship

that he had or didn't have with his father means more to be than like a guy who's a loser and wants to stop being a loser, you know. But the other one that comes to mind for me is how much I loved Shin Godzilla and I don't know if I like it more than the original or enjoy it more than the original, but I remember seeing it and I was like,

oh, I'm feeling the same thing that I felt when I finally got to see the original Godzilla in its uncut Japanese form, you know. Yeah, um, to, I've been thinking about the second part of the question, I, theme wise, this is much harder for me. I'm sure that there's a something out there, but I do, you know, what occurred to me were cases where I'm more forgiving of a movie because I know of what it took to make it. Like there's so many later career orson wells movies where you're like, well, this is not great, but to know like all of the extraordinary problems he was dealing with and how he had to cobble together

stuff and. And there's movies like like a children of paradise is an amazing movie, but when you know that like they were making this movie in France on a very big scale during the occupation, like during the war too, and how difficult it was just to like live during that time, you're like, this is astounding. Like I can't believe this movie exists, you know, but you're saying Dan that the, oh no, I mean, that was basically, yeah. I think, you know, there's so many sort of tricks that are used to make those movies more

impressive than they would have been in, in far lesser hands, that it helps forgive the genuine roughness that also is still there. What, and the, that's, oh, sorry, what do you say to do? I was going to say, or like something like, to five bloods where you, we only learned after it was released that Chadwick Boseman was, you know, dying of cancer. And it makes the movie so much more pointy. Yeah. The, it's that this is not quite as pointy as that, but like Peter Jackson's early movies.

I find that are more meaningful to me knowing that the passion that he put into it and the persistence where it was like, yeah, I'll spend every weekend for years working on this movie and making it home. And so something that is kind of like a fun, you know, fun, energetic splatter fest becomes like, oh, this is someone who loves making movies so much that they basically turned, made it their life and their time. But also the, I mentioned during a last flop house, or during a last flop TV, I made the somewhat bold statement that Shannon Tweed is no Marlena Dietrich. And I went on a limb and said that. And I was always a fan of Marlena Dietrich's work.

But when I learned about her life and how she essentially cut herself off from her home country during World War II, because she was like, Germany is bad right now. Like Germany is wrong. I am now going to throw myself into the anti-Nazi war effort, which there are many people who would not be able to, I think, make that decision. And so seeing her movies from the late 30s and then into the 40s, and knowing that like she had made this abrupt kind of cut in her life in order to stand on those principles makes me like, appreciate those movies more in a certain way.

She is just by making those movies, she's taking a certain kind of stand. That's exciting about it. Good question. There's another letter. I almost forgot it's from Peter last night with held. Peter Jackson. Peter Jackson. Yeah.

Hi, peaches. I've been. You're talking about my movies. I can't do it. I can't do the accent. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, low-mo, moringa in here. What's this? Hey, peaches. I've been meaning to ask, it was reminded because we're a Gooleys episode for a book

recommendation. I love the Muppets and was wondering if you'd be able to recommend any boggings of Jim Hanson or behind the scenes or histories of the Muppets books. I've come across a few articles here and there about, say, the making of the Muppet Crisp's Carol, but I don't know of the books. Maybe I haven't been looking in chance to have recommendations. I have. Stu, this is right up your alley.

What did you do? Yeah, well, I have a lot of poppits. That's the puppet guy. You're like, I need puppet master. The movie is about, is it about Jim Hanson, right? Yeah. Oh, towering above, I would say, is Jim Hanson by Brian J. Jones, which is a long biography

of the man, and it is really, really good. I was, I tore through it, and I've, every once in a while, I'm like, I really got to read that again. It was so good. I would also recommend Imagination Illustrated, which is like art that was taking from Jim Henson's journal. And of Muppetson Men by Christopher Finch, which is about the maybe making of the Muppets show, I think it's out of print, but you could probably track it down at your local library. a print, but you could probably track it down at your local library. Sorry for, for hogging that one. I just, you know, I'm like, I'll write down some books here. No, that's, I mean, that is a layup for a, that's a layup damn McCoy question right there.

Yeah, yeah. I'd be like asking, like being like, hey, peaches, tell me about Warhammer stuff. I didn't mention this one, but do you have any L.A.? Because I know that you're also a big fan. No, I know that you have. No, none that you haven't mentioned already. Okay. I feel like it's hard because with Muppet stuff, there's like coffee table book type thing.

Yeah. But they don't really get you into the depths of it, the way that you wanted the things. There's also a book called The Muppet Show Book, which is just like basically the first season of the show, like illustrated out, which is like beautiful. It's like a comic book version of the episodes kind of. Yeah, I mean, it may is that they put so much work into it because it's so many pictures, just illustrating painstakingly like bits from the episodes.

But that would make sense because that was the book. That was the book. That was the book. That was the book. That was the book. That was the book. No, it's like if you did a children's picture book that was verbatim episodes of the Muppets. Yeah. But it's a, but it's a, you know, that book came out when like you couldn't get the Muppet show on DVD on DVD or something like that.

You know, that was in the same way that comic book adaptations of movies used to serve a real purpose because you could not go see that movie again. You know, you need a thing. Mom won't take you to cool world and you needed to see what Hollywood do. So you, you would buy the, you see, you'd buy the DC adaptation of cool world, I guess. Yeah. We're at Green Lantern shows up in the middle. Let's round this episode out with some recommendations of, you know, even if we're fond of Jason

Takes Manhattan, maybe there's better movies out there. Thanks, though, probably not. Probably not. Probably not. I did a rewatch of Alien Resurrection, a movie that I liked a lot better now than I liked it okay at the time, but I think I would, you know, the problem with sequels is you're always chasing that first high, and like there was not going to be another alien or you or another aliens like in in my life. So alien resurrection, I think, is a movie that doesn't necessarily work so great as an alien movie per se. Like it's so wildly different in tone that that may be off-putting if you like these other things, but if you sort of just make a point of taking it on its own terms, it's so cool and weird and it has so many like gloopy grotesque rees. It has like a lot of, I found on rewatch, genuine like emotional hefts and themes that I wasn't expected.

Like I kind of just zipped over them the first time. And also a lot more vibes between one-on-a-rider and Sigourney Weaver that I remembered from watching when I was younger and maybe didn't understand such things as well. But it was a lot of fun to revisit that. So that's my recommendation. I think that's a good recommendation.

I like that movie when I saw it in the theaters. And I would never understand I can understand why people were upset. It wasn't alien to alien enough. Yeah. I could never quite understand how quickly perception formed around like, this is dumb. She plays basketball. Like, there's a lot of things that they're like funny, fun, like crazy things, you know?

Yeah. Like, that's whole scene where the aliens are swimming and they're like, oh, their tails are really good at moving in the water. Like, it's, there's a lot of me crazy stuff in it. I feel like that's one thing that I like about the alien franchise outside of the alien versus predators is how like every one of those movies is so different and weird. Like I kind of don't like, yeah, you're not going to get what you expect because they're all different, dude.

Yeah. No, it's it's an it's like an otter series in a way that other ones aren't. I'm including Prometheus in here. Yeah, I actually I've never seen Alien Covenant. So I should probably watch that. He's fair. I started watching it and I found it. I was just kind of bored by it, but I never finished it.

I think it's, you know, it's him being like, okay, you're mad at me for making Prometheus here. Here's your goddamn alien movie. It's still got a little bit of Prometheus sprinkled in it, but it feels like him retreating to something and he thinks that people want in a way that bugged me. I'll check it out then, whatever. I'm going to recommend a horror movie from earlier this year, late last year, I don't remember. It's a horror comedy called the blackening.

It is, I guess it airs more on the side of a comedy than horror movie, but it's like part of a home invasion movie. And it's about a group of college friends who reunite for a June 10th party at an Airbnb and things go badly or well, it depends on how you look at it. And it's really funny. It features a performance by former co-worker of Dan's ex Mayo, who is great. Yeah. I thought it was a lot of fun. And it, yeah, it was like nice and silly. And there was some decent, like horror bits, but yeah, it was like nice and silly and there was some decent like horror bits, but yeah, it was a good time.

I'll, of that quick, I want to say, I went to see the George Lucas talk show at the bellhouse in Brooklyn last night. And X-Mayot mentioned before was the guest, you know, like I was like, oh, I've, you know, see Griffin do a show and I'll see X-Mail and it'll be like, like she like took over the show in the most hilarious way. And like she does not know that much at all about Star Wars and but was, was aggressive about it in a hugely funny way. Like not like this is stupid, but like, she's just like, I'm gonna learn about everything tonight. And it was, I think those things are archived online. So if you can check it out somewhere. I think at Lucasfilm.org.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. On the wiki, wiki media. I am going to, I had two movies I was choosing between for recommending today. One of them was a horror movie and one was not. And'm going to go with the horror movie because it's October. For as it's known, horror scares tober. This is a movie that I don't know why it took me this long to watch it. I remember seeing the trailers when it first came out. I wanted to see it. I never got around to it, but I finally did. And that's Revanis starring Guy Pierce and Robert Carlisle and it is for anyone not familiar. It is a period film. It's set in the 18, the Wikipedia says the, it actually doesn't even like, it's right after

the Mexican American War. So it must be the 1850s, you know. And Guy Pierce is a someone who was traumatized by his experience in the war and has been sent to a frontier fort, but there's not a lot of people there. It's really a place, a dull place where it's mostly winter. And then a man stumbles in Robert Carlisle saying that he is escaped from a cannibal. And he, it turns out as the thing goes on that you assume Robert Carlisle is in this movie,

he's probably the bad guy. Yes, of course. And it's a fun kind of somewhat gory, kind of cannibal vampire-ish movie. And it's just, I just thought it was super fun. And it was a movie that does not take its period setting too seriously, but it does have something to say about that period. Like it is trying to make a connection between cannibal bloodshed and that, and this constant appetite for human flesh and America's push westward and what it did to the people in the way. And it was, I don't know, but I also enjoyed it just because

it's kind of like a, a relit, this is a weird thing to say about it, but a really definitively kind of like light horror movie that it's not due for movie about cannibalism. It's not super grim and has fun and eventually gets a little too actiony, but it's fun to see these characters chewing the scenery and each other. Oh, bit of a campy rump. And the score is really good. So that's a camp. So that's ravenous.

And I'm looking at the poster for it now, which is maybe the worst movie that's- Yeah, I can't. So that's ravenous. And I'm looking at the poster for it now, which is maybe the worst movie poster I've ever seen in my life. So it's not surprised me that it's not a hugely successful movie. I know most of Marvel movies have something to say about it. So this is, it says ravenous says you are who you eat and it's just a big kind of blurry picture of a mouth. It's very 90s.

It's a very 90s poster. Oh, that sounds great actually. And it tells you nothing about the movie, It doesn't show you who's in it. Whereas a Marvel poster, it shows you every single person in the movie, even the ones that you're not supposed to know are in the movie yet, and lists all of their names, almost like the index of a book. Oh yeah. In order of influence on the studio, you know.

Elliot, I would say you undersold how bad this poster is because it like, it has this like CGI like cloud background that will take a magic eye painting. Like, it feels like they're going really hard for kind of like a nine inch nails visual aesthetic. Yeah. Anyway, and it's, it's a terrible poster, but anybody's a real fun movie. So that's ravenous. Don't get confused that with griveness, which is a food that's not healthy for you, much like being cannibal, but you got to try it. That's the thing.

Oh, well, that's a terrible poster. All right, Lita time bomb that went off at different times for both of us, but that's not the one I remember. I remember the one that has like, looks like a knife edge and guy Pearson and Robert Carlyles. Yeah, I remember that one too. It was better. Let me see if I can find that one. He's not that good either, but at least.

No, of course not. It's not like what happens when you, if you go to fear.com. That one, that one is a lackluster poster, but at least it shows you the faces of the people who are in it. Yeah. Well, that's another shocktober for the books. Shocktober 2023, 80 style, who knows? We made it more flashback months in the future. But well, I mean, actually the next movie is going to be a flashback, but not because we're doing it for strike reasons anymore, but because our special guests asked for it. Requested. Yeah. Say anything about that, Elliot.

Why don't you just reveal the info? That's right. Our next, we will of course have a mini after this episode, but our next full episode will feature special guest star, special effects legend in the making, Todd Viserie. And he has chosen Waterworld. That's right. Kevin's Gate. Fish, fish, fish tar, right? That's what they

also called it. The movie. The movie that was one of those movies that critics hated right away because it cost a lot of money and he's going to talk to us about the special effects on it. And that's a movie that I haven't seen since it came out. I remember seeing it and thinking it was okay. And so I'm curious whether I'm going to like it or even like make it maybe like it more as a throwback. And then was of course was followed by the postman so maybe the episode after that we should do we do the postman I've never seen after that I think Stuart will kill us if we don't finally do mafia mama which has been salivating and I feel like and I've been getting a lot of demand from the fans for the flash so we'll probably have to do that at some point now the strike is over

from the fans for the flash. So we'll probably have to do that at some point. Now the strike is over. Yeah, mom. I'll feed mom. Mama, anyway, that's all because we didn't get enough New York accent. This one we got it. We got it for that one. That's all in the future. But for this episode, I would like to thank our network, Maximum Fun, go to MaximumFun.org to check out other great shows on the network. I would like to thank our producer, Alex Smith, and I would like to think about him too. I'd like to thank he's a friend.

Thank you about thanking him and thank about thanking him. Thank you, Alex, for producing our show. You can find his work online under a Howell Dottie. But for now, for the floppas I've been Dan McCoy. I'm Stuart Wellington. And I'm Ellie Kaelin. My name is Jason over here. If you kill about it. Hey, kill about it. Oh! Jason takes Trenton. Motto! We meant to, oh, this is our mistake. We thought we were making Jason takes Manhattan

and we were making Jason takes Manhattan. Oh, I'm so sorry. I mean, if Sean can, so it could very well be. Hey, I'm killing over here. Oh, sorry, sorry, I killed you so sorry. Yeah, yeah. I mean, if Sean can, so it could very well be, hey, I'm killing over here. Oh, sorry. Sorry, I killed you, sorry. Okay. Maximum fun.

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