The Flop House - Ep. #410 - The Flash

Episode Date: December 2, 2023

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And now without further ado, a regular nonsense. On this episode, we'll discuss the Flash, or is it's North American title? Rikigo, the story of Ricky and the Flash. We did it. We got all the way there. It's a little reference. It was a long walk.

We got all the way there Hey, everyone. Welcome to the flop house. I'm Dan McCoy. Hey, I'm Stuart Wellington. I'm Elliot Kaylen. Can't wait to do whatever it is we do on this flop house podcast. Dan, what is it that we do? Well, let me explain it to you, friend.

Uh, we watch a bad movie. What's not be familiar, Dan? Well, I've done you how long now? Is it 20 years? We do. Almost 20 years you, friend. We watch a bad movie. That's not the familiar, Dan. I've done you how long now? Is it 20 years? Almost 20 years now, yeah. Yeah. It was a best man. You're wedding.

That's true. You were a best man. What was I the best man? No, no, I wasn't at that point. At that time, I hadn't known you for quite, you were there. Quite as long. You were in your invite. No, you were both best men at my recent wedding.

Yeah. Not that recent, Dan, you're getting older. Well, that mean two years ago, I mean, like the thing is because I'm getting older, two years is about a drop in the bucket of my own. This time, that is Dan's life. Yeah. Just a drop in the piece of the bucket of time. Well, stroll down memory lane and airing.

So what we do in this podcast is we figure out who's been at, who's weddings and how long it goes. It's a drop in the paper of time. Well, we'll stroll down memory lane and airing. So what we do in this podcast is we figure out who's been at whose weddings and how long ago they were. Who's the best friend of whom? But what do we do Dan? No, we watch a bad movie and then we talk about it. Um, yep. Now it's a told Stewart over text last week.

We had the dessert of watching Mafia Mama. Huh? Now yes, he just vegetables and what's the flash? Who wants to flash? Of course for all listeners, that will be two weeks ago. Yeah, exactly. And you know, it's just funny that we're reaching a point in history where Stuart is like, oh God, we gotta watch the flash.

Mafia Mama, yum yum yum. We're excited about watching Mafia Mama. And I think audiences were, I mean, they didn't embrace Mafia Mama like, like, stewed it, but they are also getting tired. But they alternately did not embrace the flash, particularly either. Yeah. Sometimes, guys, I don't want to, I don't want to speak out or anything, but sometimes I think the audiences get it wrong.

Mm-hmm. Yeah. But when, with the flash or with Mafia Mama. Mafia Mama, the flash together. With Mafia Mama, I feel like it was a lack of access and knowledge necessarily. The flash wasn't a movie that you really had to go out of your way to not be aware of. Well, whereas Mafia Mama, until Stuart said, we've got to do Mafia Mama. I had not heard of it.

I think I saw it once and then forgot about it entirely. That is the question. At this point, like Mafia Mama, whether or not you. I like that our flag episode is turned into part two of the coverage of Mafia Mama. Whether or not you liked it as Stuart and Halley and I basically did or Halley and Stuart's case very much did. Loved it. Yeah. Or marginally or more disliked it like Elliott did. It's a movie that as they would say needed to find its audience. And we are living in a world now where movies that side are not allowed to find their audience. Well, I run it.

Well, I run it. Maybe seven years later on a streaming service when they inexplicably start trending. When they suddenly become the biggest hit of the summer, yeah. Ironically, we're living at a time when it is easier than ever to get access to a movie like Mafia Mama, but it is harder to learn about a movie like Mafia Mama, because we're going to hear about it. You're probably not going to see a trailer for it before another movie in the theater. You are probably not, there's not going to be a huge ad campaign. You're not going to look at the newspaper section, the film section of the newspaper to see what

the showtimes are. Remember that? Oh, yeah, look at the newspaper section, film section of the newspaper to see what the show times are. Remember that? Oh, yeah, don't look at that. And they like big, full page ads and show them to you. And yet, Mafia Mama is available to anyone who has a computer or tablet. You know, whereas in the past, you would have had to at least have access to a video store or a cable channel that might show it. And in earlier times, you'd have to have access to a theater that was actually screening

Mafia Mama. So it is both easier to get those movies but harder to learn about them. So whereas the flash was all over the place, both because he runs so fast. Both in advertisements and in news stories. And yeah, news stories. What kind of news stories were there? There were a lot of Esremilire news that was. Oh, uh, that's a fair, but yeah, Esra Miller, they did do their best to get out word of the flash in a not necessarily positive or helpful way. I've been in a way of becoming a national scandal. Yeah, sure.

I was like, Esra Miller should have been playing the reverse flash. They kind of do in this. I know that. Yeah. Yeah. Um, just not to be professor zoom reverse flash. They kind of do in the I know that's what I'm doing. Yeah. Just not be professor zoom reverse flash. And you make a good point.

Wait a minute. Wait a minute. There's a guy named professor zoom. What I love about the character, the reverse flash, who is not really in this movie, is that he has two names, Professor zoom and the reverse flash. And he's often called Professor zoom, com of the reverse flash, which I love. If you don't fucking smoked by a bad guy and his name was Professor Zoom, it's like, what a disgrace. Yeah, I think that's why I call him the reverse flash. Yeah, it's a little bit like if you

were, if you were a wrestler and you were defeated by Dwaynec, you really hurt your eyes. Now wouldn't a reverse flash be super slow? That's the problem. But it's a very good point. He's not super slow. He doesn't run backwards, but first, there's really not that much reverse. That he has was a different. Regal at Barry Owen runs, but first a bunch of times. Yeah. One thing I do want to. How else do you go back in time? You have to run, but first, otherwise you only go forward in time Yeah, but before we get into it. That's why they call it ass backwards. We

We were first. We've said it a few times. I want to know. I said that right. I want to do that. And then Iron Maiden title that Iron Maiden album some button time. Dan, what are we going to say? No, no, it's fine. Let's talk about, but first, right? Well, um, no, Dan, if ever anyone should be happy to help him being eaten by a crocodile. That would be your number one most important interruption. Yeah. If you were in danger and you were interrupting me saying something, then I would be much more forgiving than just a continuation of this, but that's so annoyed, but he'd be forgiving.

No, I just wanted to acknowledge up top because I'm afraid that I will mess up or something. Like of course Ezra Miller uses they then pro pronouns. When we talk about Barry Allen the Flash, we will be saying key him because that character is key him. That character uses those pronouns. But if I ever accidentally refer to the actor, I apologize in advance, I'm going to try and keep my brain free. Don't worry, Alex, Alex will have you record of they and then I'm a couple of times.

I'm just going to cut it in when I will sound like my good friend, Mr. Black. Who's in charge here? Who's running this? I'll take this one. Let me take the wheel on this one. Okay. So you guys, we're take the wheel on this one. Okay. So you guys, we're talking about DC movies again, again, while the world keeps turning. And But for not too much longer, probably, with the DC movies. I was about to say that, like, I don't really know that much about the flash, but I feel like I watch a bunch of the flash TV show.

Sure. I mean, I can't fact check that. I don't know what you've watched in half. Was it in the flash TV show where Gorilla Groud went back in time to kill Obama when he was in college? What? I mean, probably that sounds like the kind of great storyline you would have on a flash TV show.

I watched, you know, maybe the first four flashes and enjoyed them, but it was, you know, it's one of these things where much as I think the flash, the movie suffers from the glut of superhero stuff. I was like, eh, do I need to watch this sort of like, maybe be minus superhero show that in previous years, I would be like, yeah, yeah, the flash. Well, and this is, there's too much superhero stuff. We'll just say they're right off the bat.

It takes, take it for granted. There's a lot of stuff in this movie that would be fun or exciting if I hadn't seen it many, many times before. And a thing that I, you know, 20 years ago, I could never have imagined saying that. There's too much superhero stuff. Me sitting as, I think I've said for me as a teenager watching the spawn movie and the theaters,

purely because I wanted to support any movie based on a comic book. Even one of that, a character I do not like and do not care about. I was like, what movie? It's on a comic book. Even one of that, a character I do not like and do not care about. That's not a good movie. And just the last thing memory of it is the scene where John Loughesamo as the violator, the clown demon, is standing in front of a little girl and his head shrinks as a balloon in his hand that's also his head gets bigger and it looks bizarre.

And the little girl watching him is not phased. Does not react as if this is not phased. Does not react as if this is not a thing a clown usually does. Exchange has head with a balloon, you know, at a just in for on your doorstep. We should revisit that movie maybe for one of our like shows because that has among other things some of the wildest early CGI. I just I saw some of it recently and it looks so delightfully bad. I wish I had faith in anything as much as the filmmakers had in the CGI department making it look realistic.

Now, so, but I will say also the flash is that he's an interesting, he's an interesting situation because he is both a top tier and a kind of B level DC superhero haters come at me, but like he's very famous. He's very well known. I think it's probably because his costume is great and his power is very easy to understand that he's fast, but he's always been kind of like and he's a member of the Justice League, but he's not quite at that same level as Superman, Batman, Wonder Woman, where people generally get excited about the idea of him. You know, he's more of a green lantern level where it's like you are important to the DC

universe, but you are not that interesting. I'm sure he has his fan. And the beginning of this film makes some hay out of that. That's kind of the vibe we start off with where, you know, he's fourth down the call sheet when there's a disaster, but he can just stuff out. And I mean, this is his first movie, right? This is his first solo film, the Flash character. So the Flash has been in the, you know, we saw him in Justice League, you know, and there

was also the, like Dan, and you said, the Flash TV show that had a different Flash and a different universe, you know, but,. But this is the first flash solo film they've been trying to make one for years. This movie was in the making for years with different people involved behind the scenes. But there's something about, well, let's get into it. I think Dan, we'll get into it. I think that bugs me about him being

fourth down the call sheet. Is rather than making him a character who's just not at the same level as the others, they go the way that Marvel movies have done with Superman rather than making him a character who's just not at the same level as the others, they go the way that the Marvel movies have done with Superman, where they make him a goof fuck up who cannot do a single fucking thing right, which makes me so mad that it's like, there's so many times this where the flash is just fucking up. It's not even that he does the wrong thing or makes a mistake.

He's just doing stupid things. He's been done. Now, pardon my language, but still. I will argue that in that when we first see him, he very accomplished, he does a rescue where he does some pretty amazing things. That's true, we'll talk about it. And then we meet an alternate version of it.

Are you a blue super thing who has not gone through the tempering that does? No, no, but also he goes back in time. The first thing he does is starts talking to his parents and then go out of his way to go talk to his past self. What do you idiot? Come on.

Anyway, so we'll get to it. Let's start with the movie. Barry Allen, the flash played by Ezra Miller, just wants his morning sandwich or whatever. And he's annoyed by a gossipy sandwich maker who is taking a long time, making his sandwich. And he's got like big sheldon vibes here, right? Yes, well, that's the thing. The Zingah Sheldon. I think that they are, I think they are. You know, the Zingah Sheldon.

Yeah, the Zingah Sheldon. It's like a being-sheldon. Yeah, you may know him as young or why Sheldon. But as in why Sheldon, why? Why this show? But I think they are really leaning into the idea of the flash as being somewhat in that kind of big bang theory on the spectrum way. As maybe as a result of him moving so fast that it's hard for him to concentrate, it's

hard for him to interact with people. But with these movies, it's hard to know when a character is just supposed to be a dork, like an awkward nerd or when they're supposed to be somewhere. Somewhere is a big legend. Well, but you're also. Particularly. And this opening scene, they do a really good job. I will say as an audience

member or an audio member, an audience member. It is an audio medium podcast. Getting you annoyed at this fucking sandwich guy. Yeah. It's real. Very annoying. It takes a long time. I mean, as we'll see, takes rough at least 15 minutes or to 20 minutes. Yeah. Yeah. And while in fact, he should this service worker should probably be fired, right Dan? Well, I'm not going to ask. Or maybe I'm like killed by a stray bull. Mr. Barry Allen, the flash, you know, one of the important things about him is he needs calories like his, he's got that.

His metabolism is super fast because he's always running. And so he's like, he needs the sandwich to save people. And this person's saying so much time. And as someone who doesn't have super powers but gets very angry, I was like, did him that fucking food you dick? Yeah, yeah. So it does do a good, so the movie, if it accomplishes nothing else, it does a very good job of making us annoyed at this slow service worker. Yeah. Yeah. So it does do a good. So the movie, if it accomplishes nothing else, it does a very good job of making us annoyed at this slow service worker. Yeah. Anyway. So

while he's waiting Alfred calls, there's a robbery in Gotham City. All the other heroes are busy. As Dan mentioned, he's forth down the call sheet. The flash, he goes, okay, he suits up. He's the sandwich maker has his back to him. Does not, right? He does not even know what's going on. Suits up is about to run to Gotham. The flash logo starts coming up on the screen. And then someone like a nerdy fan goes, oh my God, the flash. I love you. And it interrupts him. And it's a very awkward moment. And then the logo comes back up and he runs. And this was one of those things where it was like, I like it. You're kind of being that you want to deadpool it up. You want to like play around with the with the

formal nature of the film in a cheeky kind of sarcastic way. But it doesn't mean or do anything. And the the idea that flash has fans, even if they are dorky fans, fights against the every the personification of the flash from that point on, you know, the idea that he is the one that the superhero that characters don't really respect or pay attention to. I see what you're saying, but I don't know. I mean, like, and there's, you know, every dorky celebrity. That's true. That's a good point. every dorky celebrity. That's true.

That's a good point. Case in point. Yeah, looking at us. I wouldn't call it celebrity. What people ask me, they go, they go, are you famous? And they go, I'm a minor notable. That's what I say. I'm a minor notable.

No, that's your quoteable. My quoteable is $700,000. So if you want me, that's what's gonna cost. But you get everything for that. For one night. For one night, for one magical night. That sounds like a decent proposal. I have to take out a loan, but I can't deny that I'm a little curious.

Yeah, I mean, you should try it out. Yeah, let's go for it. Come on. By anything once. Dan, I'll give you the friends and family of a great of $900,000. It's more expensive because it'll be more awkward because you're a friend of family. Yeah, that is because all the eye contact. Oh no, one of the rules is no eye contact. Everything except eye-catching and no kissing on the

mouth either. Anyway, but actually, you know what, Dan, for you, I'll kiss you on the mouth, but still in the eye contact. Yeah, we have to close our eyes. Yeah. So anyway, he races through the CGI landscape of America to get to Gotham City because he's a central city which is kind of like Detroit and Gotham City is of course New York. And Ben Affleck Batman is dealing with a mobster who stole a deadly virus from a hospital. Somehow this robbery caused the ground under the hospital to collapse and how the hospital is in danger of collapsing. And Batman is like, that's fine.

Batman is like, flash, take care of this collapsing hospital. While I chase the bad guys with reckless disregard for the lives of civilians, like it is, it says so much about the DC characters, they have no regard for any other human being that might be in their path unless their job is to save that specific person. And it's flash his job because, uh-oh, what's about to happen? The building tilts and dozens of babies fall out of the window. This is the scene you may have seen online, and I've got to say out of context, this looks ridiculous.

In context, you can tell it's supposed to look ridiculous. You know, this is supposed to be seen. I really liked the scene. I got, like, of the action sequences in the movie by far. This is the one I liked. This is I think so too. Yeah, this is. I like it because it's so silly because it's like a bunch of babies are full.

And first he runs out of energy. So he has to smash a vending machine and gobble down as many candy bars as he can. And then he saves the babies in very cartoonish ways. He puts one in a unplugged microwave. He throws a bed pan, Tanaka flame thrower away or a flame, propolt jet or something away from another one. It feels like the thing is about the scene. It feels like a parody of a superhero movie. It feels like the movie is trying for Guardians of the Galaxy Deadpool silliness. And it has gone all the way forward into Batman 66 kind of weight-heridying

the original source material. And there was that part where the flashes pants catch on fire and one of the baby peas on the fire to put it on the night. I don't remember that. I'm sorry, you had after. I mean, I could have believed it in there. Yeah. But uh, uh, and the flashes, yeah,

I want to step back and just like the worried audience member who might be listening to us. The baby gets put in the microwave. So it's an unplugged microwave. It's safe from some fire. This isn't necessarily the fucking it out of the way. Something where maybe it explodes anyway.

And a flash establishes when he is moving really fast, it's difficult for him to touch another human being without hurting them. So he can't just pluck these babies out of the air. He has to use objects around him to get the babies out of danger. And- I do like when he touches objects that are kind of frozen by the speed force, like they light up a different color like you're playing a video game. Yeah, there's a lot of this movie looks like a video game.

We'll get to that. And that's the thing, like I feel like that is such a cliche to say is to be like, oh, this whole thing looks like a video game. But like for real, there's whole swaths of this movie that look like a fucking cutscene from Injustice. And it's fucked up. But also the fight scenes later on are not just very heavily CGI,

but they are framed like a video game level. Like you are watching from a camera point of view that you would be watching from if it was a fighting game of some, if it was a like not a side-scrolling fighting game like straight fighter, but you know what I mean? Like a beat-a-mup game or something. Yeah, exactly. Some game where you're wandering, like if you're playing a Batman video game and you're wandering in a Gotham City, beat-a-beat, look like that. Anyway, this movie is,

it's got a hard challenge ahead of it. It wants to make you feel for this character after you have seen a scene where he is plucking babies or he's using bedpans to save babies. I do not think you can clear this bar. Let's find out. You're like he's this is a save the cat moment. This is what makes you care for him. I think it saves a bunch of babies with human cats. No, the reason we've established that the reality of this movie is so much. Why do you suck that closer to the microphone? Yeah, I'm just second that. Anyway, long story short, bats and flags, they catch the baddies.

Wonder Woman stops by for a completely unnecessary cameo where she uses her truth lasso to make the heroes say embarrassing things about themselves. Flat, this is a scene. How did you guys feel about this joke? I felt like this was a joke that was pushing things a little too far for me. I figure I'll be honest, I don't know whether you'll take this as an insult or a compliment or neutral.

I was like, Ellie's gonna have problems with this moment. Ellie's gonna think this breaks it too much. I liked it because I think that the movie does a couple of these things, but not as much as like movies that are really just like, fucking break the reality. Like, you know, superhero joke.

I'll tell you this, it's like, I would like this joke if the flash was not part of a larger universe that already had an established tone. I feel like what this movie has hurt in ways that are maybe unfair to it as a singular film, because it is so clashing with the tone that the DC movie universe has set up for me up to this point. And so for Batman to grab a truth lasso and to say, well, really, if I want to stop crime, I should do things like effect the roots of crime, which are poverty, I should give money to people. And then let's go to the lasso. Once you've had Batman say that, I can no longer take a guy who dresses

up in a back costume and beats up people with mental problems. He's self-aware. As a hero. Exactly. Because he's self-aware. What's he said that? Yeah. And like the truth, Lasso's fucking therapy. Yes. And as a remiller, or the flash rather, not as much, the flash grabs the Lasso and says, I've heard of sex, but I've never experienced it. And that was a little too far from me where it was like, okay, maybe this character is a virgin, but it feels like a very easy go to to establish a kind of a, he's a nerd, so he's a virgin.

Well, also, I mean, I get because the truth, Lazo, make you just lurk stuff out. Well, that's the other thing. The truth. It does, I think, make you lurk stuff out as according to this, you know, the, anyway, but and also the fact that the one when came to me was unnecessary. There's no reason for her to be there. I kind of see what you're saying, Elliot, but also if you're going to create this big universe, I like that there are different tones in it.

And I would certainly prefer this tone to the Justice League tone. Well, I'll give you that. If the Justice League movies were funny, I wouldn't have his big issue with it. And I would enjoy it more. I think this scene would work for me in an Avengers movie, for instance, or a Marvel movie, just because the other movies are not trying to convince me that they are on Schindler's list level seriousness. Exactly.

Yeah. Well, I mean, I feel like saying this cameo is unnecessary. I mean, it's meant it's like part of a joke. I feel like that's fine. Like it doesn't have to. Yeah, I guess so. You don't need it to relate to the plot. No, that's true. Speaking of plot, we got. You don't need it to relate to the plot. No, that's true.

Speaking of plot, we got some heavy plot we're about to get to. Flash runs back to Central City just in time to get his sandwich, but he's late for work at the Crimes Forensic Lab where his mean co-workers are making fun of him. And guys, maybe this says more about me about the movie. The most exciting moment to me in this entire movie was when Sir Shamanika Jackson from Derry Girls showed up as one of his mean co-workers. Wow, that's a lot of it. I love her, I love that show. So it was like the same way that I was telling people this recently that if I was watching

any movie and Rick Moranis showed up in it, I would lose my shit, I would be so excited about it. And so this was, I was like, nothing in this movie is exciting me. Oh, but this actress I like from this TV show, isn't it? This is great, you know. And she's funny as the alternate universe version of herself later on too. Yes, I mean, she's a very funny alternate universe version of herself later on too. Yes. I mean, she's a very funny performer.

So anyway, he also runs into his college crush, Iris West, who, as we know from the comic books, that eventually he marries, who is now a reporter covering Flash's Dad's murder trial. Because as you may remember from the Justice League movie, Flash's Dad is on trial for allegedly murdering Flash's mom. Of course, Barry knows that this is not the case. He has security footage of his dad in a store when the crime is committed. Unfortunately, his dad's wearing a hat and he

never looks up at the camera. So he can't see his face clearly enough for the footage to be an ally for. He's got to flash that punim, you know? Exactly. There's y'all know that I hid your light under a bushel. His father's, his father Rodden Levinson's only real crime was stealing all those portions of a penny in the, in the, in the office space. Yeah, yeah. Oh, right, right. I was like Superman three.

Well, yeah, I mean, they make a point of saying they're just doing the Superman three. That's right, but I had forgotten, I forgot that that that that's what obviously is. Obviously, I barely remember the plot of space. No, I don't know. I like office space. I just didn't remember the plot. You know, okay. I mean, I like Mike Judges stuff.

You know, King of the Hills from the greatest shows. It's actually how little plot there is on office space. By the time that rolls around in the movie, it's like, it's more like that we just been hanging out with these guys for a while, you know. Yeah, yeah. It's like the movie is like we should probably have them do something. So dad on the phone with Flash is like, hey, just give up.

I'll go to jail forever. I didn't kill your mom, but I guess there's nothing we can do about it. It's not so worried about me. You should go on date's kids. Yeah, exactly. Which classic, is that? Wonder Woman told me you're a virgin.

No. Yeah. The flash is I don't believe Jewish, but it is a very Jewish parent to be like, no, go on a date, let me mold her in jail for a crime I didn't commit. I don't care as long as you're happy, you know, based on his mom later, he's half Italian, but Alan, you know, that's how Alan is a Alan, you know, that sound like Italian. So no, I'm saying the mom is Italian. It also sounds like father's name. He's in Italy. So me, you're saying that maybe his mother is Italian Jewish like Sephardic, and that's why I'm not saying anything. I'm saying that we have some evidence as to the end of the story Alan.

So flash goes into a flashback that is the crux of the film. He flashes back to the day. That's why it's called a flashback. Exactly. That's why it's called a flashback because they knew eventually it would occur in the movie, the flash. The flashback went back in time using his flash powers. They're like, oh, and he

vented the word flashback in the past. And that's why we have a panel. Yeah, exactly. To paradox. Yeah. So he doesn't just want to do this. Not just one dog. He doesn't use his powers to do this flashback. He uses the power that we all have access to our memories. Yes, he enters his memory palaces or as it's also known his memory to remember something. And so flash remembers as what's going to turn out the day that his mother died, which starts with his mom telling him, coincidentally enough, the moral of the movie. He's doing his math homework and he's very frustrated and she goes, look, not every problem has a solution. Sometimes you need to let go, which is good life advice. It's bad advice

for math homework. Yes. Yeah. And also didn't he like, I feel like he said something like, I can see so many possible ways of doing this or something like before that. Something like that. Yeah. And that's a direct contradiction of what she's saying. Like, if there's like a thousand ways of doing it, then she's like, sometimes there's no answer. But also, I don't think anyone's giving math homework that has no answer. There has no answer. Certainly not at that level.

He's an elementary school kid. Certainly, they're not dealing with unprovable theorems at that level. He's clearly doing a dish in the multiplication. Is that trying to get the fucking starfleet or something? No, he's like, mom, this Kovayashi Maru is not working for me. That's the point of the test son.

You're supposed to learn there's no answer. That doesn't make sense as a test for mathematicians. So anyway, they forgot the tomatoes. Dad goes to the store to get the canned tomatoes. Mom starts singing and dancing with kid Barry and cut to dad gets back home. The mom has been stabbed. Young Barry, who I guess was upstairs when this was happening, he's like, his dad is like call 911 and Youngberry instead runs out of the house. And I guess it's supposed to be because the flash, he's always running. The flash is so upset by this memory that he just starts running super fast and he runs so fast that he bursts into a kaleidoscopic memory world that is like a time travel dimension.

Let's say it's a speed zone or something. The time arena or whatever. The transit. Yeah, he's in the time arena. So when he gets into the speed zone, that's a stand up and cheer moment. But in the time arena, it's more of a sit down and go, huh, moment, you know, it's not not quite a stand up and cheer. Well, also, I'm wondering, so he's got to be running this whole time, right?

Or like, was he just vibrating so fast? Is that what's going on? I don't know, because later on, it was just like stand around. That's what I'm saying. He's like hanging out in this time arena. and I'm wondering like in the real world, and our time is like, he just speeding around the world over and over again. I think he's just, he's no longer on our plane in reality. Very interesting.

Once he gets to the time arena, I think he is no longer in our physical reality. He is in some sort of alternate space where you can reverse a madness. Yes, exactly. Or like, I just read, Avram Davidson's Masters of the Maze and he's entered this kind of time space maze that there are many entry ways too, but unfortunately, the evil chulpex are trying to use it to invade our world with their bizarre insectoid hive society. Anyway, this is a real fun book. But I think he is not, I don't think he's like in his mind in this past space,

but in reality, running around. I think he just burst through the time barrier to this alternate limbo, you know, or this, this, what they would call in a, at one point, the DC universe had something called a, uh, I forgot, was crisis time or something. I don't remember what it was. Anyway, it was a thing they, oh, hyper time. They introduced this thing called hyper time as a way of having multiple universes universes But I like time to change his color when you put like some on it. Yeah, yeah exactly. It's thermally color changing He's time 90s kids will remember Yeah slap bracelets etc. So and that he almost fucking said

I was also other just gimmicky most fucking sense. I was also think, that's the other. Just feel a soul. Dimicke, like thing you could wear from our childhood. Yeah, hyper color, slap bracelets. What a great time. What a time to be alive. The colds were had just ended. Shirts could change color. Uh-huh, yeah. Economic prosperity. And now I'm imagining the Stephen King of our generation who's writing a story and he's

like, mm, back when I was a kid, shirts could change color, not like these modern shirts. They're so disappointing, you know. We were all listening to, to Spice Girls back then, real music. Anyway, so Flash manages to transport himself back in time a day by traveling this way. And that night, maybe the next night, I don't know, he's hanging out with Bruce Wayne in like an alleyway or something like that. Yeah, they got like a lot of alley and I want to take a brief sidebar and just say that this is my favorite type of work. This is my brief, it's not in this movie.

This is my favorite iteration of Affleck as Bruce Wayne's last Batman, partly because like, you know, we all know he's over it by this time. And like his attitude sort of hanging out with Barry Allen is also like over it. Like I guess the sky is where my closest friend is going to put up with that. It feels very true to Batman to me that he's kind of over it and not, not enthusiastic about anything, you know. Yeah, but I just like him in this mode, this sort of more human. The weirdest part is that, you know, they're having a conversation and Iris West sees this

and she's just like, oh, wow, you have rich friends. And I'm like, you know who that is, right? He's like a billionaire. You know, that's Batman. I mean, that's Bruce Wayne. He's got to be one of the most famous people in the country at this point. He's a billionaire. He's a billionaire playboy. Yeah, he's, uh, yeah, he can drive himself. He doesn't have a driver. He doesn't have to ask for his, uh, mom or dad to bar.

Car. He doesn't have a car. Yeah. Babously. There's. Yeah. Uh, so yeah, you can do it. He could have cereal for breakfast. He doesn't need to ask his parents for have to sleep. They're good. Whoa. So yeah, he can do it. He can have cereal for breakfast. He doesn't need to ask his parents for missions. Yeah, I play video games all day. His parents raise. He's. He's.

I'm still talking about this guys. It's really very sad. Yeah, it is very sad. So. What have I done in my life that I don't just do that all day long? And so Bruce Wayne, oh, so not sad about Bruce Wayne losing his parents as a child. Sad about the emptiness of your life. What I've lost in my metaphorical loss of parents.

I'm imagining a grown man watching a home alone and being like, if only what a dream. And it's like, but you are home alone all the time. Just do what you want. I mean, I feel like there's a, there's a lot of action movies that are built around the premise that a guy's family is killed, and he has to go on revenge. And I feel like Home Alone is kind of like that. And we're like, I thought you were going to pitch a movie where it's like, well, you know, honestly, it's very sad, but on the other hand, I have all this free time. All this time now. So, there's a little responsibility.

I mean, at the last. Well, Home Alone is a way it's kind of of like diehard in that it's a Christmas movie. Home alone too, also like diehard in that it is also a Christmas movie. Similar to have any more other Christmas movies. It's a wonderful life. Christmas Christmas movie. You take a bus. Christmas movie or is it ironic title?

Miracle on 34th Street. I don't know if you realize this is a Christmas movie. Really? Yeah. What about Santa Claus the movie? Is that the Christmas movie? It's written.

Well, that's kind of an L-Ref Christmas movie. The ref? Yeah. Yeah, sure. The ref is a Christmas movie. Yeah. Any movie that takes place during

Christmas is by definition of Christmas movie. Oh, we did it, guys. Yeah, we did it. Okay, so that night. So they're hanging out and Barry is like, I think I can go back in time and Bruce Wayne goes, don't, don't do that. Don't change the past.

And that's like a reasonable thing for us. You don't. Or open the portal of time. And Batman of all first people says, don't let your tragedy define you. And I wasn't sure if it was supposed to be Batman being like, I know, believe me. I've defined my life by tragedy and I know it's a mistake. Or if the movie is just kind of like winking at us, you know, it couldn't tell. Ira stops, again, Ira sees Flash hanging out with his famous billionaire best friend.

She stops my Flash's apartment. He uses powers to tidy it up and he vibrates through the wall to get some beer. Give me more of that shit. Give me more silly stuff, please. And Barry decides, Walter and Ira's that he can use his powers to save his mom by just making sure she doesn't forget that can of tomatoes so that his dad doesn't have to go back to the store, leaving his mom unprotected. I do.

So we can all agree, Barry, your responsible to fuck with time. Don't do it. Everyone was posting. Is this going to be about canned tomatoes as like a cooking person? Mm-hmm. Oh, no, no, no. No. Look, use canned tomatoes. They're just fine. Okay. In many applications that are better than trying to use them. I was so worried you were going to say, there is mom deserves to die for not using fresh tomatoes.

No, no, no, no. What I'm finding is, I was going to make one. That is a bridge too far for me. I can't cross it. This movie, while inferior to the similarly themed Spider-Man movie with everyone no way home. Is that the most reason one? Spider-Man, all the time, yeah, no way home. At least Barry is less irresponsible than Spider-Man And that he is messing with time for something like very important to him rather than just college and helping him. And to him, saying, this is a small thing I'm doing. I mean, a very small change. He's trying to be like, he's trying to like, bread that needle. He's trying to be like,

oh, if I just change the tomato thing, it's, you know, but as we'll see. And there's a mentor who's like, don't change time, dude. As opposed to Spider-Man who's mentor, Dr. Strange is like, let's go, man. Yes, sure. Why not? I've so many. That's a lot. I enjoyed that movie a lot. I have so many problems with how they get into that story. I think it's dumb that's that's the solution Spider-Man wants. I think it's dumb that Dr. Strange goes along with it. It's, but it's like, it's like when Mifisto ended Spider-Man wants, I think it's dumb that Dr. Strange goes along with it. But it's like when Mephisto ended Spider-Man's marriage, didn't like the way it happened,

but I loved the stories that came out of it. So, you know what? I can accept it. Here's to you, Mephisto. You know what? Let's raise a glass to the character who's kind of Satan, but kind of not. And before anyone tries to get a no prize from us, like I realized that the fucking Spider-Man movie isn't about time, but it's a multiverse movie just like this one is.

And that's another problem with I think people's reaction to the flash is like, I'm sure when they started developing this, they're like, yeah, yeah, this is going to be so exciting. And especially with like the other like Michael Keaton, like so many things, lunch, we're eating for the flash by the time the flash came around. It's a real problem that both of these universes have gone all in on multiverse. When one of them got there first

and also like the multiverse does not have as much juice in it as people believe. Even by the time that Spider-Man, no way home was doing it, we'd already seen into the spiderverse. It's like come, there's so many ideas in the world, there's so many that have been yet to be conceived. I've already seen it in the episode of Rick and Morty.

Like, I've already watched all of Sliders, you know, I get it. Apparently. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's all that's all road's lead back to Sliders. Yeah, I'm also, it's excellent for sort of like individual stories like, you know, the spider verse, animated movies or, you know, outside of superheroes, everything everywhere all at once. But I think, yeah, make it a corner-stining doors of your universe. The horror.

Then it becomes a problem because it's like, well, literally everything can be undone, nothing matters. Like that's the problem once it becomes such a part of it. Well, and also, once you have infinite versions of every character, the life of an individual character, unless you've really come to know that specific one is meaningless, you know, because you can just replace them with another one. So that one gang could be impressive, a million gangs, who gives a shit. Like, at this point, there's nobody, you know. They're not. Or a main, would you rather fight one horse-sized gang or a horse, or a thousand gang-sized horses? That's actually a really good question, man.

That's a good question. I think I'm going to take the one horse-sized gang, rather than a thousand gang-sized horses, yeah. So anyway, he goes back to the store where his mom forgot the tomatoes, puts a can of tomatoes in her cart. He's about to race back to his own time and he's running through new memories that he never had before of his mother at events in his life that she previously had not lived to see until an evil-looking shadowy figure looks like Doomsday, but we know it's not Doomsday because he was already in one of these movies.

Was he a reverse flash? Not exactly, but we'll see. I Doomsday because he was already in one of these movies. Is there reverse flash? Not exactly, but we'll see. I mean, it's clearly going to be a time paradox of some kind. The only explanation that will ever make sense in these movies is that it's that character from the future doing it. So you kind of know that that's what it's going to be. It's not, they're not going to, as the movie goes on and they don't introduce a new villain, you kind of know that it has to be the case.

But some evil looking shadowy figure punches him and knocks him right out of the speed zone or the time arena into the street outside his parents house. And he soon finds by going in and visiting them that it's his freshman year of college. That's a good ass punch, by the way. He's very specific considering what day it turns out to be. Yes, he punches him into the exact day that it needs to be. That's the thing. We, as we live right now, for some reason,

the flash, knowing that his own younger self exists, go, puts a pair of underpants on his head, like for a mask, and then goes out of his way to ask his younger self what year it is. And it's like just avoid him. Just don't talk to him. What do you do? You know, this is the one thing you're never supposed to do is go talk to your own past yourself. Two things, never step on a butterfly when you're hunting dinosaurs. That goes without saying. Number two, don't talk to your own past yourself. Two things, never step on a butterfly when you're hunting dinosaurs. That goes without saying. Number two, don't talk to me on the dinosaurs. They're cool. Well, yeah, that's not the point. And I want to get into it. It's only one guy who's licensed. That's Tora. That's Tora. I want to get on the tour off. Trust me, I would love to be son of stone. Yes, dinosaur hunter. Of course, but I can't be Tora. Look, this is going

to be nitpicky and nerdy, but what do we hear for if not that? I don't think we should do that on the flash podcast. So you know, in the next scene, you know, like they realized this is the day that the flash gets his powers and Barry is like, I got to get you to the place to get the powers. So because if you know, this on the bottom young Barry and OG Barry, because if you don't have the powers and I can't go back like all this, you know, this on the phone them young berry and OG berry because if you don't have the powers and I can't go back like all this you know Paradox stuff. Yeah, and And like and the flash and originally meant to go back to the time that he left from yes Where he seems to think there's not gonna be another berry and I'm like

What do you do like what are you doing like? Why do you think you can go back and it's all going to be the same? Like, this isn't like, obviously you've created some sort of branching timeline. Later on, we will learn that time doesn't work that way in this movie. And I think that they handle it kind of as elegantly as they can considering what they want to do. But at this point in the movie, I'm like, why on earth would you think that you could just run back to the same point and pick up your life? He somehow thinks that saving his mom's life will not change anything else about his life.

But then when he realizes that it has, he comes up with the dumbest solution, which is, I need you to get flash powers. When he already has flash powers, just run back. You have them already. They didn't disappear. Just use them. There's no reason to give them to this dude. Anyway, I feel like this is also kind of a point where the Barry Allen that we had come to know with this point is kind of as he said, like a little bit weird, a little maybe on the spectrum, a little awkward. But from this point on, Barry, that Barry is very much normal. I don't want to say normal, that Barry is very much normal. I don't want to say normal, but like is very much in charge is any, he is now like the man from the future who is trying to tutor his younger.

So he has lost any of that, any of that personal awkwardness that he has before because now it is, he's the straight person. Terrible. I hate all these terms of if he's now he is the reactive serious person to the younger Barry who is essentially polysure. He's like dumb. He's annoying. He goes, and they have so, and it's one of those things where it's like, I don't believe these are the same person. Like people mature as they get older. That's what I have. The trauma, dude. Well, you know what? I guess that's what it is without the trauma of his mother's death. He became just a dead.

It's like this is like the original Barry Allen, his parents were taken away and he was forced to grow up too soon, even if he's like an awkward guy. And this other kid has experienced like no problems in his life. And so I'm not saying like that's like, you know, like bad, I'm sure, given time he'll develop into like a better person. But at this point in his life, he's just like kind of a stone like goofball. I don't have any issues with the difference

between the two berries. It's just OG berry, I think makes such a character shift at this point to fit the needs of the story which doesn't work for me. I think that's true. Yeah, I could see. It's just, I thought a little lazy. I'll be the dissenting voice, because I think that when you're presented with this alternate

irresponsible version of yourself, you kind of like change the game. I think that's the opposite. Hopefully I'm never in that situation. Hopefully I never have to do this. Hopefully I never have to do this. Hopefully I never have to do this. Hopefully I never have to do this. Hopefully I never have to do this. Hopefully I never have to do this. Hopefully I never have to do this. Hopefully I never have to do this. Hopefully I never have to do this. Hopefully I never have to do this. Hopefully I never have to do this. Hopefully I never have to do this. Hopefully I never have to do this. Hopefully I never have to do this. Hopefully I never have to do this. Hopefully I never have to do this. Hopefully I never have to do this. Hopefully I never have to do this. Hopefully I never have to do this. Hopefully I never have to do this. Hopefully I never have to do this. Hopefully I never have to do this. Hopefully I never have to do this. Hopefully I never have to do this. Hopefully I never have to do this. Hopefully I never have to do this. Hopefully I never have to do this. Hopefully I never have to do this., I never have to see it. Hopefully, I never have to see it. Hopefully, I never have to see it. I think the thing for me is that he doesn't become a responsible authority. He just starts acting like one.

So maybe that's what it is because again, the flash makes dumb decision after dumb decision for stupid reasons. But the one thing I did like about this, which comes up a couple times, is that there's tension between the two berries over the way they feel about their mom. To OG Barry, their mom is a murdered saint, and they can only remember the good things. And to young Barry, their mom is their mom who is on his case and is annoying, and he doesn't. He's not grateful enough for it, and he doesn't respect enough, and he doesn't appreciate enough. And I thought that that felt very, I wish they had done more with that

because that thread feels very real to me, that resentment over, don't you see how special this person you have is and young Barry being, I can't see how special she is because I don't have anything to compare it to. She's always part of my life and I remember the annoying things

as well as the great things. But anyway, that's a, they do that a little bit but I wish they did it a little more. Anyway, the, so past Barry is going to go on a date with Iris that night, but OG Barry is like, no, this is the night we get our powers. We've got to sneak into the police lab and reenact our origins so that you can get powers dumb, stupid decision. It doesn't make sense.

They go in, they both get hit by lightning because of science. Past Barry gets powers and OG Barry loses his powers. So wait, so we're waiting to move the time travel. And our hero loses his powers. Okay. This is all taken off all the fucking super hero bars. Yeah. They are running through all the spider man movies at this point. So I'll mash it up into one. You know, in middle school science, I teach you one lightning strike powers. two lightning strikes, no powers. No power. Stakes are the rules. Just coconut rules. Exactly. It's super coconut rules. So, however, this movie does not feature a point where Barry is so happy. They doesn't have powers

anymore. He walks past an alley where a guy is getting mugged and a screaming girl and he's just like, not my problem. Yeah, they don't have that. Which is what a great thing. Possibly one of the best moments in a superhero movie for me. I think it is a realistic moment. Spider-Man 2, what a picture. Yeah, what a great movie. Spider-Man, I mean, any universe where Spider-Man 2 exists, a movie like the Flash is going to suffer because Spider-Man 2 is so good. And I remember it while I'm watching this.

Any time I watch a bad movie, I remember the good movies I've seen.. I go, Oh, that was good. Why can't this be like that? Remember when Doc, Doc's arms come alive and it's like a evil dead movie. Wasn't that awesome? Yeah. That was great. You got the, you got the quad screen of their different points of view. Yeah. Oh, wonderful. Turning into the Chris Farley show. Well, only of Sam Raimi was here. I guess with it, but the, uh, that, that, that, that nuts of Sam Raimi was here. I would have so much to talk to him about.

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So he's leaving now. He's going back, back to time. I say. So past Barry, of course, he loves having these powers. He causes chaos, runs around and so naked in the street as fireworks are going back and back to time. So, past Barry, of course, he loves having these powers. He causes chaos, runs around, ends up naked in the street as fireworks are going off and musical instruments that fell off a truck are playing themselves. I also kind of like to this, like just how much goes wrong from him irresponsibly using his power, like it's a ridiculous thing after thing after thing and just imagining like the movie sort of just took the time and the effort to do

this big set piece of just showing him being a doofus. Yeah, I feel like again, if this movie was a parody of super movies, I think I'd be all in. But the tone of the movie is so back and forth that it's hard for me to sit with it. And in a way, it behaves like a parody in that it barely introduces any of the characters that assumes you know them from that their sub pop culture icons, just like how a parody movie would do the same thing. Yeah, that's a very good point. Like the characters are pre-existing reference points.

The movie doesn't really, I mean, who's the character that gets the most like new introduction? It's probably Barry's mom, you know? Is the only one who's kind of treated as a new character? Even Iris is just kind of like, she gets sorted and goes, it's me, Iris, anyway, Dada Dada. So the next day, OG Barry is like, past young Barry, here's my costume ring.

They do a couple jokes about how it's really snug around his dick, which I don't love. This is a movie about the flash. They use the word shit so many times in it. And they, I feel like this is a dick a few times. They say dick a few, and I was like, this is a movie. It's a PG 13 movie. I guess that's, that's the super audience. But like, I know people are taking their kids to see DC movies.

And I do not like the idea that the movie is just like, yeah, but we're for adults. So we'll just say shit a lot. When it just, it feels, I don't need my superhero movies to say just have swear words and I'm basically at this point. Barry is a teenager, right? And so the idea of him being uncomfortable wearing a very tight outfit is that in itself is funny. You don't have to bring dicks into it. Yes, exactly. The fact that he's like, you know, it doesn't leave much of the, you know, it's like skin tight, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

All the directions, yeah, yeah. He's awkward, he doesn't want to be seen that way. It also, it's like, it's the same actor playing both parts. So it's like, so am I supposed to believe that the flash is always walking around with his dick cramped by the suit? And is that what powers his speed for us? Is the pain that comes from his crotch? Yes, yes.

It's a weird thing to bring it. Or he's just gotten used to it, because he made that suit, right? So I need to just make it to his own size, you know. Did his penis get smaller when he got his powers? I guess he is super smart, right? He's like, yeah, like most superheroes, he's also just science-steemers.

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between Barry and his younger selves roommates who are his co-workers in his own timeline. But now they're kind of their burnout roommates over which actors were in which movies from the 80s. And that's a neat little Easter egg for the real movie nerds out there, right? Because Eric Stoltz did film a bunch of scenes with the future. Replaced. Guys, tell me if I'm being too much of a high, too much of a high brow, stick up my butt. I'm going to say probably, but you've been finished your story. I mean, part of it was also, I was like, Avengers Endgame, they also talk about back to the

future. So like, this is yet another instance where a movie is just like, where the flash is just going over old material, basically, old territory. They don't talk about Eric Stoltz, but they talk about the back to the future rules of time travel. I'm sorry. What's your, my main thing is, is it a show of how kind of, not ignorant exactly, how little the modern cultural frame of reference has room for, that the way that they can show

that this is a different world is just kind of who starred in footloose and who starred in back to the future, as opposed to something else in all of human history or culture or whatever. You know, I feel like if this was made in the 80s, you would have seen that like, do we would have defeated Truman for real in the 48 election or something like that? Like a famous historical moment would have been different as opposed to who starred in back to the future. I would argue that what is going on here?

Hindenburg doesn't explode. Exactly, or like a newspaper headline that says, like, man fails to land on moon, you know? Yeah, I mean, this makes perfect sense to me in the sense that like, I think that the footprint of Back to the Future is so big, like, you know, I think it is still kind of the iconic time travel story for most people, more so even than like HD Wells's time machine or anything that has gone after back to the future.

And that is like everyone's idea of the way time travel would work. And so they're just making reference to the back of the future. And then they're like, oh, what cute thing can we do off of that? You know, like, I think you have to address the back to the future thing if you're like, how does time travel work here? Like that's not the thing where they're talking about how time travel works is the thing. They're just talking about, I guess maybe a little bit. I think that's why it gets brought up. Oh, that is why it gets brought up.

I don't know. I feel like I don't know that back to the future is such a huge cultural reference point for people younger than us that it needs to be addressed in a time travel movie. The same way that most of the movies like that copy Groundhog Day, they don't say, oh yeah, I'm in a Groundhog Day situation. You know, they just ignore it. No, I know. I don't think it's necessary.

I just think that they're addressing it for that reason, and then they're like, we'll kill two birds with one stone here. We'll do a little cute like, a- I can do a talk out of it. Remember- I can see that. I just- I worry that it is a symptom of the lack of larger frame of reference for either the people

making the movie or what they think the audience understands. That like, if you're making a movie, the only thing you can make a reference to is another movie as opposed to something from real life. It's the thing that people used to say ironically about like the 60s, 70s, new Hollywood generation is they'd be like, these people don't know life, they just know movies. They're just making movies that play off of earlier movies. And I feel like that wasn't quite the case there, but I kind of feel like it might be. So are you talking about like dumbing down or like monoculture?

A little bit of both to be honest. I, I both can see your point and I think the stick is at least halfway up your butt. Oh, let's get up there farther. Okay. So, here's the problem. General Zod appears on TV looking for Superman. What's the problem? That's a paycheck for a little Mikey Shannon. It's my, it's true.

Good point. G subway platform, buddy, Michael Shannon. Yeah, I never went for a different G. Until I, until I someday learn about Michael Shannon's bad behavior, which every actor in the world seems to have, I'm never unhappy with Michael Shannon showing up. The problem is that there's no Superman in this world. No one's ever heard of him. He doesn't exist.

And OG Barry is like, look, I try, I remember Zod Day, I tried to save some people. I only saved this one kid. So I managed to save a kid while his dad died right in front of him. We've got to get the justice league together so we can save everybody. And that's when they talk about, when they go to past Barry's roommates and they talk about which actors start in footloos and stuff like that. So they're showing a lot of, they're really showing a lot of pressure, you know, a lot of urgency in getting the justice league together. Well, and they, and they're trying to research, trying to find all the other superheroes.

And there is a moment where you're like, he's created a world with no superheroes. They have to be kind of neat, right? No more super moving. Yeah, that would be kind of neat. And at this point in the movie too, you are confused like, wait, how did doing that affect so much stuff? Don't worry. Don't worry. There's going to be a possible phase. Have explanation. Yeah. So they go to, but it wasn't that there were no, he finds that like, the thing that turned cyborg into cyborg that accident didn't happen and stuff like Wonder Woman's never shown up. And where do they go first?

They've got to go to Wayne Manor, the spooky, overgrown Wayne Manor. I guess young Barry ran their real carrying old Barry because they live in different cities, but I don't know how they got there. And speaking of paychecks, Tamara Morrison shows up and we find out that he never got to hook up with Nicole Kidman. What a bomber. Oh, that's right. That's right. They call. They call Aquaman's parents only to find that in this universe, Aquaman's dad did not marry. What's her name? Merr, Nicole. What's her character's name? I don't know. Queen,

Queen Fishy. Queen Fishy. They go to Wayne Manor. We learn that the song 25 or 6 to 4 by Chicago does exist in this universe because it's playing loudly on a record player. I love that song. That's fine. I'm okay with the universe for that exists. But we do learn a little bit later on that in this universe, the chain restaurant is called Banana Bees, which I thought was a pretty funny, stupid throwaway joke.

That's pretty funny. Yeah. They get attacked. That's pretty funny. Yeah. So they get attacked. They walk around Wayne Manor, they get attacked by a shaggy shut in. It's Michael Keaton as Bruce Wayne, who explains that he was. Do all straight Mark Moves and flips, right? Just like you back then. Exactly.

Batman movies. Yeah. He explains that he was Batman, but he retired because crime stopped. So I guess in this universe, it worked like he did it. Yeah. And then he's making spaghetti and he explains using the spaghetti strands that when you've changed the past, you changed the past behind that past as well. It's not that you create a branching universe from that moment is that you create a whole new timeline that is different all the way

up and down. Well, and this is interesting because it kind of head on, you know, approaches the idea of like, look, time is illusion, time, you know, we've been, we've been, we've been doing it so to put those in. Thank you. Thank you. We approach time linearly, but like it's, that's our perception. And so when you change it, like, there's a nexus point and it shoots in both ways and then if you do it too much, everything gets all jumbled up.

Like for a comic book movie, I'll buy this. Sure, I mean, it's comic book science. There's nothing in reality that would ever point to this happening. I feel like they didn't spend too much time explaining it, which is great because I've seen so many of these goddamn movies now that I don't need someone else to explain to me how multiverse is work. That's great. They did it. It's, that's, that, great. They did it.

It was funny that he plops a bunch of spaghetti down on a plate, you know, that's funny stuff. Batman's like, I'm not going to help you. I'm retired as Batman. I just listen to Chicago all day and make pasta for myself. The berries, they sneak into the Batcave really easily so that OG Berry can use the computer that Batman has his Batcave. I guess he doesn't expect anyone to sneak in there. There's no password protection right now.

Well, I had to implied later on that like, she knows that this is happening. He's not gonna act it like he's gonna help. But he's just like whatever. They try to use the computer to find Clark Kent. The Clark Kent they're looking for is not around. Meanwhile, Youngberry just kinda dicks around. We get so many shots of the bat cave,

so much shot of, so many shots of Batman's stuff with just this sense of like, suffused with awe, this overwhelming awe. Can you believe it that we're in the 1989 Batman bat cave? Do you guys think that audience is gave a shit about this? Well, I do. Certainly younger people, I don't think do. I don't think younger people know, but there was like, there was a lot of internet excitement among aging nerds

about this. It's not possible. I do feel like Superman knowing Michael Keaton is. Well, I'm seeing Michael Keaton is bad. I don't know about the, what would they care about the back? The backache didn't feel the same, but that's because it isn't, you know, shot by Tim Burton and mainly a bunch of cobwebs in it. It's a bunch of paint painting.

Yeah. There were cobwebs in the old days. Yes, it's true. I feel like it like me to be for Spider-Man, no way home really ate this movie's lunch to a great degree. Yeah. Because once you've seen three Spider-Man, it's hard to get that excited over one old Batman. But how you gonna keep, how do you get to keep on the,

I know we may get another Batman. That's true. How you gonna keep on the Batman farm get to keep on the, we may get another Batman. That's true. How you gonna keep them on the Batman farm when they've seen the lights of gay three spider man. It's gay, Perry. I'm talking about. So they have an argument because gay Spidey, I think, is gay Spidey. That's, yeah. They have an argument because Youngberry doesn't respect their mom enough, but OG Barry, he still won't explain why he came back to Youngberry. They find out that Superman seems to be the prisoner of a Siberian fortress. I don't know how they, what system they hacked into.

Yeah. To find out that a Kryptonia is being held by a secret Russian military facility. Probably take talk or something. Can I see guys who work there posting videos? Hashtag Kryptonian and there was somebody who was like, I'm Russian soldier. I am guarding this guy. Can you believe this? Okay. Lipsink. You know, and then was somebody who's like, I'm Russian soldier, I am guarding this guy. Can you believe this? Okay, lip sync, you know, and then they lip sync to something, you know.

I also want to say, like take a moment to make this, this stuff about him not telling young Barry what happened to in his timeline seems super dumb to me, super contrived because like, look, maybe it's a failure of empathy on my part, but I don't think like young Barry who has his mom is going to be so traumatized by the idea that this Barry lost his mom. He'll feel sad for this Barry, but he's not going to like, why is the teenager? Yeah, I think he's having trouble saying it because it's difficult for him. But I agree also that it feels dumb because he has already gone back in time, given this Barry superpowers that otherwise he would not have gotten, what is he worried about wrecking

by giving this information, that young Barry will be like, oh, so to fix everything I have to kill mom and then go home and snap her neck with his superpowers, that's what will happen. It's not like in back to the future is it's like, I can't tell Doc Brown that he's gonna die in the future. Like this is a thing that happened in the past and didn't happen. So.

I can't tell my mom that I'm really her son, or else she won't sleep with me. It's not that kind of pair. Exactly. How am I gonna achieve every man's dream of sleeping with my mom if I tell her I'm her son from the future? Anyway, don't trust me.

Trust surveys of porn search terms. So anyway, Batman shows up. He shaved his beard. He's suited up. He goes, okay, I'll help you with this. They fly over to Russia and the bat wing. They sneak into this fortress. Youngberry makes a ton of noise, fight, fight, fight. They're fighting. They find in this fault. It's not super. Any, any, any feel about the fights? You like the fights? Not for, to be honest, I kind of glazed over during them.

They like, you said. Not a lot of a choreography on these things, right? A lot of them. Well, here's the thing. I was watching Batman fighting, and I was like, I wish he fought differently than the Ben Aff like Batman. I wish that he moved in his own kind of like 80s Batman way.

But he does the same kind of like flips and kung fu moves that any superhero does now. But I wish he was fighting the way that he did in the 80s Batman way. But he does the same kind of like flips and kung fu moves that any superhero does now. But I wish he was fighting the way that he did in the 80s Batman movies, which were much less swallowing. Yes, definitely. Because the suit didn't move. Yeah, but still would have been cool. Yes, still would have been cool.

It would have been a visual difference to be like, oh, this is a different Batman. And instead the fights are kind of generic. And as we said earlier, they don't just look video gamey because it's computer graphics. It looks video gamey because it's shot like it looks like a video game. The angles look like video game angles. And you never kind of feel like you are in the fight. You always look like you're kind of standing slightly apart from it, watching it so that you

have enough room to move your character around. Yeah, over the killer characters. Over the weekend, I saw the Marvels, which, you know, I'm, you know, I guess I feel like I'm a little, I grade the Marvel movies kind of on a curve and I generally am pretty easy on them. But I feel like the fight sequences in that movie were better and felt real, even with like super power elements of the characters switching like physical spaces. Like it still felt choreographed,

it still felt actual. Yeah, I mean like that specific one, I enjoyed it, but like I found it very hard to sort of, like I gave up on it because I'm like, there's no there's no percentage in me worrying about this, but like hard to understand when characters were gonna switch places based on their powers and when they weren't.

And it was like there were three women on the screen. No thanks again. That was not. We're trying to paint. Dan does. Well, hopefully I won't get that hopefully I won't get that in the next movie in this surprise movie marathon. We're seeing three women by Robert Altman.

No, no. On my letterbox, anyone can see that. Well, at least after three women, I won't have to do another movie like that. Nine to five. Oh, no. Yeah, that's me. Yeah. Charlie's Angels.

Okay. At least they're not going full throttle. Okay, what's the next movie they're in? Uh oh. That was fine as long as they're half throttle. As long as it's half throttle. Look, Charlie, the sir, Mr. President, we have an issue. Charlie's angels are dangerously close to going full throttle.

The atomic scientists have changed the, the thrott clock to show it. Oh, it might enter the speed force, which is as you know, only the flash is domain. And if that happens, all of America must stand up and cheer. Our infrastructure can't take that much standing. I always feared this moment would come. My predecessor warned me that I might have to deal with this situation, that I always prayed that it wouldn't happen. Apparently my prayers weren't enough. Take out Charlie's Angels. They drop a nuclear bomb on whatever city the Charlie's Angels are in. And that of course leads us to, that leads us to the next movie, Sheen Charlie's Angels, where they come back.

They're powerful. So they find, they find not Superman, but a young woman who's nearly comatose and a Superman-type costume and they take that with them. They escape, flashback. She's all like shrunken up like all the reason, right? Yeah, well, she's being, they have her in the ship. She's all like shrunken up like all a reason, right? Yeah. Well, she's being, they have her in the ship. She doesn't look like when the ET is sicker or anything.

No, no, but they have her in a chamber where she's being bombarded constantly with red light, which as we know, it's the Earth, the yellow sun that gives Superman his powers. The light from it, Krypton's red sun would depower them. I don't know that that much of it would make her that weak, but I assume they haven't been feeding her also. So they haven't been feeding her also. So they've really been treating her poorly. They've escaped flat. Youngberry gets shot in the leg, a wound that seems to heal pretty quickly.

And as they get outside, they're surrounded by Russian soldiers. That's when the woman wakes up and super fights her way through. This is one of the two most video game fights. They escape. They go back to Wayne Manor. She reveals that she is Kara, Cal L's cousin, they go back to Wayne Manor, she reveals that she is Kara, Cal L's cousin, who is supposed to be his protector, but Cal L never made it to earth. And when she land on earth, she was captured by the Ruskies.

Now, I want to say something, I was kind of annoyed at this movie's, I spoiler alert, super girl in the big, Zod fight. I like how it's a spoiler alert for something we're going to talk about 10 minutes from now. Yeah, it's fine. I know. I just, I know I'm acknowledging that I'm jumping ahead. You're spoiling my pleasure at revealing the story. She will get killed by Zod over and over and this will be something that can't be undone.

Yes. I like when I'm playing a Tomb Raider game and I keep let accidentally getting Lara Crafkilled and I have to watch her get killed and make horrible sounds for like 20 minutes in a row. They don't give her a lot to work with, but I found this like incarnation of Kara like charismatic charming like I liked the vibe she was bringing to the world. I thought I found her charismatic and charming but I liked this kind she was bringing to the world. I think if I found her charismatic and charming, but I liked this kind of like tough, no nonsense. Yeah, I mean, not, I mean, I don't want to spend time with her, but I liked her as a different

flavor or color to this. Exactly. That's more accurate. I took to the whole time or nothing. She was likeable and cool, and I was like, I was annoyed that the movie was like, well, we're going to immediately kill her off. Dan, you say that, but let me remind you, she is a woman and they already have Wonder Woman. Oh, that's true. They can only be one.

They can only be one. That's what society tells women is that they can only be one of them at a time. That's why Highlander was originally called Highlander S. Oh, that makes sense. Yeah, but the makeup to get Christopher Lambert to look like a woman realistically was just two time consuming, two expensive. And so they sent her to make the character real. Female heroes in the DC universe.

Yeah, there's Zaytana. There's a Tana, there's Power Girl, there's a Tana. There's Hot Girl, you know, Power Girl. No Power Girl. No's power girl. Yeah, you know, power girl. No power girl. No, the bus lover Stewart Welley, of course, knows power girl. The superhero character who for years has had a boob window on her costume. And for a long time, they've dialed it back, but for a long time, her main thing was she's as strong as Superman and she has big boobs.

And those were her two defining characters to access. That is super. Is it powerful or is it true that like Wally Wood said that he just kept making her boobs bigger to see. I heard that story. I don't know if it's necessarily true or not that he was just testing to see how far because in my mind, it wasn't really until much later that the character became known for having a very particularly large chest, even among the large chest. It's one of heroin surgery.

When Russ Meyer did Beyond the Valley of Power Girl and Roger Evert was the large chest, even among the large chest. Did you know, heroin, Roger, you started writing it right? Yeah, when Russ Meyer did beyond the valley of power girl and Roger, he was the screenwriter. Yeah. But yeah, there's lots of, there's lots of other female DC characters. You go after, you know, there's Tara. I mean, she turns to be out to be a spy spoiler alert for a 40 year old comic book. But you know, there's lots of them. There's, but anyway, that's it.

There's Huntress. There's back girl. Okay. There's thatwoman. Of course, Canary is Canary. There's Black Canary. Yeah, sure. There's the whole Birds of Prey group, you know? Oh, yeah. So of course, there's a, of course, Batwoman is all at this point. Her main superpower is being a tax write off for Warner Brothers. Yeah, that's her main ability. So, she's, Kara is like, they're like, help us save the earth. And she's like, I don't care about the earth. Like, I'm from Krypton. I don't care about this. She power. I showed up in humans locked me up and made me a prisoner and treated me badly. Why should I, why should I help you? See ya. And she's powered up by the sun. She flies away. Uh oh. Then she sees general's odd, just casually killing

people. And she comes back and is like, and she's horrified by what she sees. Meanwhile, while she's being horrified by that, uh, OG Barry is like, I need my powers. We're gonna have to recreate the explosion. Poor chemicals on me and then hit me with lightning over and over again. And Batman is like, I think it's crazy, but I'll do it. I like to hurt people. That's my secret. I like to get people paying. I haven't been a Dr.

Frankenstein yet time to do it. Yeah, there's, I wonder if there's got to be some, some else world's comment about man is also Dr. Frankenstein, right? Or like where Frankenstein makes a bat monster or something that fights crime or who's got to be. If there isn't, DZ, you're slipping boys. Hire me to write it. Come on, do it. So they keep hitting Barry with lightning over and

over again. And it's not working until Cara returns and says, I'll help you. And I don't know how she knows what they're doing because they talked about it after she left, but she flies him into a lightning storm. And he just probably just trying to get him roasted and then it turns out it worked. She's like, oh, you're trying to kill him with lightning. I'll help you. You're doing it really slowly. I'll help you with that.

I'll help you do it faster. I'll take him right to the source. Barry has his powers back. He puts on his costume. Young Barry makes his own costume out of a Batman costume, which I thought was a funny touch that he's retrofitting a Batman costume into a flash costume. And it doesn't quite fit him quite right. All four heroes, they go to the side of the battle between Zod and the American military. They dive into it. Carregos after Zod. And she gets especially mad when Zod is like, by the way, when we tried to

extract Kale's baby DNA from his blood, it killed him. Oops. Oops. That's on my part. It's an oops that I killed a baby and carry the wopsy column. Yeah. They fight. Meanwhile, old flash is teaching young flash how to use his powers to fight. Batman's just flying around the bat wing shooting things. Unfortunately, his plane gets hit. He kamikaze right into some big spaceship. Zod stabs Kara and harvestvester DNA. All seems lost. The two most powerful heroes, Kara, who is Superman powers and Batman, who is, as he said, a billionaire,

they're, you know, they're gone. We're all greatest detective, dude. But what kind of detective skills do you need to fly a plane around shooting people? Like I don't understand. Oh, the clues tell me that the bad guys are over there. I feel like there could be a spin-off show where Maverick instead of flying planes is a

detective. Is it a detective? It's called Topka and PI. Yes. Yes. Yeah. Fly the flying only solves plane related mysteries. He's like flying over the glimes in his plane.

Is that a joke? I can't really see much from up here. From up here. I think there's a scrap of red fabric on the ground that looks like the same as the robe that the that the barren was wearing. Once again, the irrigation patterns are going down downwards. Does that help? Yes, he's been stealing the water in order to enrich himself. Thanks. Thanks, Maverick PI. Yeah. I like the idea of Batman being like, it's going to take all of my mystery solving skills to figure out which of these are aliens that I could shoot.

Kill with impunity. Because as we've established this Batman kills people, shoots them, blows things up. Anyway, young Barry is like, we've got to save them. He runs into the past to save Karen Bats, but each time he tries to fix it, they still die. As Dan mentioned, super girl, or super woman, however she likes to be called, is doomed to an infinity of deaths to eternally be murdered by Zod. They both go into the time speed arena and OG Barry is like, young Barry, you can't fix

the past. I tried it. It doesn't work. And look at the damage we're doing to reality because things are deteriorating around them. And he goes, and young Barry has managed to accidentally phase a chunk of Kryptonian metal into his arm. So he has a badass blade weapon. Yeah. Yeah. Starts murderfuls with more specifically. I mean, you can change the past. Obviously, Barry did it, but there's certain fixed points that always happen apparently.

We just much like in the second Spiderverse movie, there's certain continuity points that I've always have to because it's almost like I've seen all of this stuff before a flash movie. Now I do kind of like the idea that young Barry, having not had to deal with like the trauma of losing his parents at an early age, he isn't emotionally equipped to deal with a problem he can't solve. Like, yes. I think that's at least kind of interesting. Or with death. He's not, he's never seen someone that he cares about dying.

He's known Batman and Cara for almost half a day. Almost forever. Yeah. So it's much like in Star Wars when Luke is like, oh, we want to know. And it's like, I understand. It's tough, but you've known him for a day. Almost forever. Yeah. So it's much like in Star Wars when Luke is like, oh, we want to know. And it's like, I understand it's tough, but you've known him for a day. Like you haven't known him that long, you know, you want to be one of his my teacher for a couple hours. Yeah, he saw his uncle on the day.

I mean, he super roasted right? Yeah, yeah. And his aunt, his uncle Aunt who raised him, he's like, oh, that's rough that your burnt skeletons now. But this dude that he's known for an afternoon, he's like, no, no. He is the one like exciting guy he ever knew. That's actually true. He's true.

That kind of desert planet. That's a good point. Uh, finally, something awesome's happening. No! You were like, take it out of here. He's like, fuck, I gotta go back to tattooing. Yeah. I mean, yeah, that's me.

That's the place where they shoot all the shows. Power converters now, I guess. Yeah, I guess I just gotta get a, yeah, that's, that's, that's the place where they shoot all the shows. Power converters now, I guess. I guess I just got to get a job at Tashi station working at whatever fast food restaurant they've got there. I guess I'll smell like Bantha meat every day because I'm working at work all the time. No wonder my only enjoyment is shooting Wamprat. So I've got nothing else in my life, you know. I just want to hurt other things the way I feel life has hurt me.

My name is Luke. I mean, essentially Batman at that point, Batman's just like, I don't even hate crime that much. I just want to hurt other people the way I feel I've been hurt. And they're like, Bruce, a lot of other people have gone through things like this without having to punch a clown every couple of weeks. I guess that's accurate. Yeah, yeah. I was someone online pointed out that Batman has all the powers of a bat like grappling hooks and being a detective. And I was like, yeah, but he also fights the noted natural enemies of bats, clowns, riddles,

penguins, all the things that bats hate, double faces, all that's hate that stuff. Anyway, Batman, he shouldn't work, but he does. He's America's most favorite superhero. He shouldn't work. And after Spider-Man, of course, Spider-Man, at this point is America's favorite superhero again, right? I think so.

I feel like Batman was it for a while, but anyway, young Barry, he's getting covered with Kryptonian debris, turning into, he looks like a 90s image character, how he's got a great sticking out of his arms. And Barry is like, OG Barry is like, you're doing all this damage. There's no, sometimes there's no solution. Mom told me that when I couldn't do my math homework. And that's when a horribly debris covered kind of elder flash shows up. And he's like, I'm the one who punched you, OG Barry. I punched you into this time in the first place.

So you could create the paradox that would give me my powers so that I could go back in time trying to fix things over and over again, because I'm now obsessed with doing that. And it takes OG Barry, a pretty, a fairly long time to recognize that he's talking to himself slash older version of young Barry, his turn evil. I'm going to call him evil Barry. Reality starts clapping in scary Barry. Scary.

Okay, I feel like that's been taken, but sure. The brother of Mary Barry from the British Bake Off. Is there a care? Is that a question for Mary Barry? Mary Barry, yeah, one of the original judges. Oh, I was I thought you meant Mary and Barry former mayor of Washington DC. Yeah. Yeah. So we're very carry who is a noted. Now there was very care the sports and answer and there was Harry carry and Harry carry junior the actors were members of John Ford's company of actors. So there's a lot

of Harry carries. Larry. Yeah. There's also the amazing Larry the character appears in what to one scene. Yeah. It's big adventure was supposed to be two scenes. And there's also the amazing Randy, you know, the, the, the, the arch and the foe of, of Yuri Geller, right? Is there are they are they arch foes? I didn't know the thinking of, you know, maybe I think of somebody else. Maybe you're thinking of the amazing race. Yeah, you're not thinking of the amazing race. Oh, yeah, the amazing Randy was, was your EGALA's archfel. Okay.

But yeah, the TV show, there's, of course, there's, there's a race banan. Is that a real person's banan? Yes, race for the galaxy. So close to the end. And of course, there's wacky races, which is when a rack Iraqi racers, Dan is a wacky racer. Anyway, the important thing to remember is reality starts to collapse in because of all the time travel they've been doing. We see kind of CGI post death recreations of previous DC movies and TV shows.

Christopher Reeves Superman is there, the Supergirl from the Supergirl movie is there. Adam West Batman, we see for a moment, Nicholas Cage Superman, a character that only exists in legend because that movie never got made. Yeah, finding the giant spider that Kevin Smith talked about how they wanted to be in that movie, then eventually ended up in Wild Wild West. And as Nicholas Cage has said, since then, he did not shoot a scene where he shot a giant spider. He shot some other scene and then they used special effects to make him fight a giant spider.

It was like super bad deep fake stuff for the Nick Cage Superman. It's all bad. It really doesn't look very good. Although the one thing is, it sells me in the idea of Nicholas Cage a Superman, which it was something that I never quite, oh, I never felt he had quite the look,

but seeing him in this not great, long ass hair flipping around. I feel like, yeah, I could see him as Superman. Yeah, for sure felt he had quite the look, but seeing him in this not great thing to get. Was that long ass hair flipping around? I feel like, yeah, I could see him as Superman. Yeah, for sure, especially with the long hair, that era of Superman. But this is, again, this is something I think I would have found really cool if I hadn't seen so much of it before.

It felt like it's just DC's turn to do this. And also, if we were. Oh, I thought it would have been really cool if they're not like, I don't know, taking Ted Actors and great other things. Well, that's the other thing. If we weren't, also, they're permanently commodities, Elliot. Yes, I think if we weren't already existing in a world where the studios were saying we have the right to use anyone who has ever worked for us as likeness forever for whatever we want, this would also seem more cool. If it was like, we have stolen your soul by taking a picture of you. And assume that they, I don't know how the law is right now.

I assume they would have to go to the estate, a Christopher Reeve and say, can we use this because it's not like, yeah. Or, but I don't know, maybe when he made Superman in the contract, so we own your likeness as Superman forever. I'm not sure, you know, I don't know the law on it. I'm not illegal, you know. I'm not even an eagle. I'm a human. Yep, I can take that. We're looking at him right now, you know, test. Back me up on this guys, there's a rule going around that I'm an eagle. I'm not a human being.

No talons. Not at all. I wish I had a beacon talons though. That'd be super cool. Yeah. I don't have wings. I know you wouldn't be able to hug your children with a beacon talons. I don't use my mouth or my feet to hug my childrens.

I use my arms, which would be wings in this case, which you could totally elicit with. Feed them by regurgitating into their mouths. Oh, I do that already. Yeah. Okay. Anyway, so we see all that stuff. Evil Berry tries to kill OG Berry, but Young Berry takes the hit,

and Evil Berry disintegrates, and Young Berry dies. So now, Fliflash has not just seen all these other heroes die. He's seen himself, his younger self die, when he shakes off pretty well, or maybe he's just so. Yeah, it's pretty cool with it. Maybe he's just so shocked and stunned at this point that he can't even react to it. He goes back to the supermarket back in time. He watches himself in the past, put the tomato cannon. He shows up out of costume inc Cognito looking for all the world like a transient who has wandered in bleeding into the supermarket. But his mom is so nice that she has a heart to heart with him and gives him a hug. This stranger who's really weird. And then when

she's not looking, he removes the tomato can from a cart, puts it on the top shelf instead of the lower shelf where it had originally been stocked. He returns to his own time, unhappy, chasing. He's late for his dad's trial, which is strange since he can travel through time. But anyway, he's late for his dad's trial where we see the defense attorney showing that the security, the newly cleaned up and restored security camera footage clearly shows his dad's face as he looks up as the defense attorney says to just like, he does like a little wink, right? Yeah, to reach the tomato can placed on the top shelf as if you are so dumb that you couldn't put two and two together.

You need him to mention it. His dad is acquitted. We assume it's not mentioned. And we never see his dad in the movie again. So maybe it's maybe that judge is just like, interesting point. Let's let the trial go on for a while. Now that your alibi has been confirmed outside the courthouse, Iris, who is covering Barry's dad's case, tells Barry to ask her out, extremely unethical.

Reporters, do not tell the whole thing. Don't tell the child of the person whose case you're covering to ask you out. She should make sure that she's over. Unless she's going to go to the publisher and be like, remove me from this story, I shouldn't be on it, you know. I don't know, man, that's the thing. They just got chemistry, baby. They, that's the other thing is they also don't have, have any chemistry at all.

These superformers have no chemistry together. Um, Barry is like, yeah, everything worked out. Maybe I didn't save my mom, but I did save my dad. And I, I'm finally get to go out with my college crush. That's what Bruce Wayne calls him is like, very good. I heard about your dad. Congratulations. I'm about to show up.

A car drives up. Mr. Wayne, Mr. Wayne reporters everywhere. Bruce Wayne walks out. Who is it, Dan? Who's Bruce Wayne? It's George Clooney, baby. Oh, yeah. Mr. Dave Rittman.

And the flash to his credit is like, who the fuck are you? You're not Bruce Wayne. And George's like, George was like, come on, Barry. And it ends, I guess on this cliff now. And then there's a final joke. Earlier, Barry had lost his tooth and it glued it back in. It had been knocked it out when he was electrocuted, but like you do. But no, and it lasts for all the fighting that he does.

And now in this awkward moment, his tooth falls out, cut to the credits and the credits which are all over footage of a dog falling slowly through the sky from the earlier hospital scene. So that's the kind of goofy movie this is. This is kind of silly wacky movie this is. I mean, if there's a dog in it, it could technically be a goofy move. And then of course, and of course, Fred, see, I talk about the post-credit scene where I mean, I mean, perhaps I'm not taking another 10 seconds to do it. Yes, Stewart, I assume didn't see it. So let me tell

them about it. In perhaps the least necessary post-credit scene I've ever seen in one of these movies, Flash is trying to explain his adventure to Aquaman who is drunk. Aquaman passes out in a puddle on the street and thus dies this era of the DC film universe with the ultimate of whimpers, Aquaman drunk in a puddle. As if the movie itself is saying, why should you care about this? Why should anyone care? The ironic thing being, of course, that Aquaman is the only character from this universe who has a movie that is still scheduled to come out.

It's Aquaman's sequel. Although they kept messing with it and pushing it back or what, it's weird. They kept reshooting it. They've been reshooting scenes for it for years now. It's weird to agree to which that's been happening, also considering that that was the most successful one, right?

Aquaman, I think that's- Well, that's why they meant, that's why they're so precious about it. It's because Aquaman was- I think the first Wonder Woman was the most- No, Aquaman is at this point the highest grossing DC movie. Oh, really? Over a billion dollars worldwide.

It's the biggest, and I think that's why they're like tinkering with it because they're so, they're like, well, this one certainly will make money. We got to get it perfect, you know? Right. Whereas in the older days, they would have just been like slap a new Aquaman movie out there. Who cares if it's good or not? Now they need it to be a good enough movie then.

He's Aquaman, who the fuck cares? I think they need it to be a good enough movie that when they fail to release it as a tax write off, they can get as much money from that as possible. Of course, of course. Yeah, smart. But it is such a, I feel like this movie is, like I said, it's borderline parody. This is the movie that is so taking the piss out of every other aspect of this universe. And the ultimate way to do it is to make the coolest member of the team, the one that people like the most, Aquaman, a drunk who passes out in a puddle, where if he did not have

water breathing powers, he would drown and have the flash leave him there to do that. Not even try to get him out of the puddle. It's just such a lack of respect for these characters. And I don't know if I respect that lack of respect or not. Maybe I do because Dan, I think it's time for final judgments, right? Yes, pardon me, I was burping when you said that final judgment. Final birch burpments. Is this a good bad movie, a bad, bad movie, a movie you kind of liked.

I think I'm going to be the outlier probably, cementing my reputation as the softest touch in the flop house. I kind of like this. I am a soft defender of the flash. I think it's biggest problem, as we've said many times before, is that it's coming just so much of this late. But in a different time, with there wasn't such a glut, I think this is a pretty fun version of what it is.

I like that looks kind of fakey honestly because it feels very comic bookie in the way that a lot of things don't feel as specifically. Well, in the old fashioned views of comic bookie to mean cheap and silly and not realistic. Well, but that's also a lot of comic books are, Elliott. I'm not sure. No, no, no, but I feel like the, when you, people used to say things like comic bookie, they meant it looked like second year.

Yes. You know, and I feel like that you're using it more in that vein than in to say, it feels like a comic book in a positive way in that it tells the story of engaging characters that have a long, have a long life, you know. But, but it is positive for me to use it that way though, in the sense that I don't like the self-seriousness of a lot of this stuff. I like having something that's a little cheaper and junkier and sillier. I think that that's not, as they say, it's a feature not a bug to have that. Sometimes I like the fun of it. I missucker for time travel stories. I will say that I like the sort of breezier first half of the movie way better than sort

of the boring slugfest with Zod and all that stuff and the kind of murky, contrived way to get out of all of it. But, you know, I'm putting the emphasis on kind of, but I kind of liked it. What do you guys have to say, Stewart, you were more down on that. Yeah, I didn of liked it. What do you guys have to say, Stuart, you were more down down. Yeah, I didn't like it. I mean, I think part of it is just, I think just the whole thing looks so ugly. Like it's so unpleasant for me to look at. And yeah, I mean, it just felt like every story beat was something I'd already seen. And yeah, it just was not, was not for me, not a, for me, not a flash guy.

I find myself somewhere between bad, bad, and I like what they're trying to do with it. I like the intention of it, and I wish they were able to pull it off in a way that was better. I like that they're trying for something funnier and sillier. I like that there's lots of bonkers stuff happens, but I agree with Stuart that like, it doesn't look pleasant to be in.

I do like the way that that kind of time zone looks where there's like lots of, it's almost like they're in a carnival attraction with like flat, neon lights, neon lights and flat backdrops that pop up. But for the most part, it feels like, similarly, I've seen so much this before. And I feel like I would probably judge this movie a little bit kinder if it came out 10, 15 years ago, as opposed to now when it feels very rehashed.

But I do kind of like it as this universe is ending. Let's burn it all down on the way out. So the stuff that I was talking about that I don't like incogniting. I can see that. Yeah. The stuff like Batman holding the lasso of truth and basically coming to terms with what a waste he is and how he's doing. I like that. If the filmmakers are like, this universe is dying. So let's have some fun with it. Like let's the same way that the old Alan Moore story, the Superman, whatever happened to the man of tomorrow where they were like,

crisis and infant notices about to undo all of this. So let's have Mr. Mitzel, middle of like, a mix of pit like, start killing people. Let's go crazy with this. Let's do bonkers things. And so I kind of like it that way, but it doesn't fully work for me.

The tone is kind of all over the place and it doesn't look good. And I don't, I'm just, I'm tired of seeing superheroes that are either super bad asses or super fuck ups. And I'd like to see a superhero that has a, not, they don't have to be realistic necessarily, but it has a human level of confidence or mess up fitness, you know, and not, is not a wacky cartoon character.

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That's a Thursday night. We're going to be in San Francisco at Cobb's Comedy Club as part of San Francisco sketchfest on Friday, January 26th. Very excited about that. We've never been part of Sketchfest before and we're very excited to be part of that fest of sketches. Dan's a lot of sketching in a spare time, and I can't wait to see the sketches that school children from across the country donate to sketch fest. That's what it's about, right, pencil sketches? Anyway, then on Sunday, January 28th, we're going to be back in Los Angeles at the region theater.

So again, it's January 25th. Our LA hub home. January 25th will be at Portland. Well, LA, it's LA home is this actual home. That's that's a fair point. It looks like I interrupt Elliot to say these things. No, no, this is great. We want to give as little information to the public about things we're doing as possible.

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That'll be helpful. So tonight December 2nd, 2023, we're talking about, oh boy, ballistic X versus sefer. The movie that may not exist, it's possible that we're going to find out if it's a real movie or not, starring what was it? Antonio Banderis and Lucy Liu, right, as the titular X and sefer. Oh, the quest we had to go just to find a viewable version of this film. It's true. It's not an easy movie to find, but we found it.

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We're going to be announcing those movies eventually when we decide which ones we're doing. We should really decide which ones we're doing. We should really decide which ones we're doing. Yeah, yeah. And also I have two things I wanted to mention personally. My comic book series, Hades, Disney Villains, Hades coming from Dynamite Comics. Issue four has come out. I think the week before this episode is released so that may still be on comic store shelves. Issue five will come out the next month.

And it's a really fun series. I hope you enjoy it. It's a comedy heist, set in ancient Greece with all the mythological characters that you love. So please pick that up and I'll also remind you that my podcast with Roman Mars about the power broker will be starting soon. I think it'll be the next episode of 99% invisible after this episode goes up will be the introductory episode for this Powerbroker series. So, if you don't subscribe to 99% of it. You're even on for it?

What's the name of it? I think it's called the 99% breakdown, the Powerbroker or something like that. Oh, okay. I wanted to call it the Powerbroker breaker downers. We'll see if I can give Vince Roman to change the title to that. It's going to be a hard, hard sell, but I think it'll be a hard sale. If you don't already subscribed to 99% visible, why? You should.

It's a great show. But if you don't start subscribing, because that first episode is going to come up, and you'll find out more about the power broker. Stu, I think you had something you want to tell us about too. My bar minis just got a new sweatshirt design, and it goes on sale this week. It was designed by artist and friend Juan Pablo Ayala, who unfortunately passed away earlier this year. Those shirts are gonna be,

the sweatshirts are gonna be $50 plus shipping and a portion of the sale will be going to a charity called to write on her arms in his memory. To order one in time for the holidays, go over to minisbarbk on Instagram and follow the link in our bio. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you Stuart.

I was busy subscribing to 99% of this will, which I have listened to often on. I don't wanna insult our viewers. That's a great show. I mean, all right. I mean, the thing is, he's so successful. It's, he knows you're missing out. It's not insult to him.

Listen to it, you're like, oh yeah, podcast can be cool. And you're saying, I like a lot, drummer podcast in general. It's not it's no reflection on Roman. It's a reflection on my particular intellect. But let's move on. You're like, what? Why? Why? I wish this was more about two or three knuckleheads talking about 1980s pajamas. Like pajamas with 1980s cartoon characters on them. Thank you. Let us move on to letters from listeners.

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We'd love to hear from you. But this first letter is from Bill last name withheld. Who writes? Dear peaches, many quotable lines from movies permeate our culture. Most of the time these are the best combination of a great film, great writing and sharp delivery. For example, inconceivable. A single word is immediately connected to all a shod's perfect character in the Princess bride.

It occurred to me the other day that some lesser films have quotable lines that clearly punch above their weight. Films that are otherwise nothing special sometimes produce a pithy phrase that is as recognizable as Vizini's protests. What got me thinking about it was, it's Naltatuma, which when delivered in an appropriately frustrated Austrian accent, Chris Bledis delivers the sentiment intended. I don't know what that said.

I guess that's not a two word. It's the name of this frustration. Frustration with the people you're dealing with, especially if they're kindergarteners. Especially if it's, well, anyway, how many people actually remember or even saw the movie it's from? What's your favorite quote that out shines? It was a hit film, Bill. Yeah, from a more or less.

Kindergarten got myself twice in the theater, people on the flop and fill. I almost digress there. It was because I remember often back at the Daily Show when we were having to think of a joke and give me two more. There was always a, it's not a two more. Yeah. Yeah. We did have fun. We did have fun. Yeah. No more though. We don't need no stinkin badges. Yeah, that's a line. Do you mean from that that's a line from it? That's a line from a great movie. A great film. Let's see, you can put it anywhere. Okay, that's what's that from?

Roll intention. That movie stuck in my brain. I'm not here to lie. Hey, one that I'm thinking of, a movie that I like, but I will not put on any Mount Rush more movies. I think that Wolfman has Nards. Not for monster squad. A line that really permeated the culture. Oh, yeah, the president was saying it. You can go anywhere without hearing it.

Yeah. Or Wolfen's Gotnards, I guess. This is a tough one because I feel like every time I think of something I'm like, no, that was a pretty popular movie. Yeah, I'm having trouble. What, weirdly, the thing that's coming to mind is not a movie, but the song I need more allowance from the TV show Doug, which was one of the original nicktunes. This is a song that the fictional band The Beats playing when episode, and for some reason, I think about it a lot. It pops into my head a lot. Okay.

Yeah. We got, uh, Elliot, I think you, I think you could be a pretty good Doug funny if they had to do a live action Doug funny as a 40 year old man. Yeah. They did, if they did a movie where he's, where he's grown up and gotten married and has a family, I think thank you. Yeah, I think I could be done funny. Yeah, thank you.

Well, we really bet that. Do you think he married Sally Pickles or? I think he. Those Patty mayonnaise. Oh, you're right, Patty mayonnaise. Well, maybe he, that didn't work out though. He married, this other character that I've apparently invented. Well, Pickles, that's from Rugrats, right?

That's, that's right. That's true. Oh, yes, so maybe he may be remarried, you know, a younger. So he married Paddy Mayonnaise, then they divorced and he married a younger woman who is Tommy Pickle's sister, I guess. Yeah, that's a LA swap. Well, that's where all great quotes got. I think we answered that question.

Let's go to the next one. This one's from Michael Lasting with Helled. Who writes, hello, my darling Peaches. I'm currently traveling abroad and suffering through a bout of travelers tummy, which has triggered strange and vivid dreams. Last night I dreamt that I went to Mandelig. No, that's not what it's like.

Last night I dreamt that I went to Mandelig. No, that's not what it's about. Last night I dreamt that I was having a serious conversation with you boys about the condition of our drum kit. The second hand drum kit, finished in sparkle red, had seen better days and was in need of some TLC. Mysteriously, the bass drum, red, zero Davis in zoomy 3D lettering. That's the name of our band. We agreed that if we were going to get this rock band off the ground, we would at least need a new head on the snare and better sticks.

So if you three floppers were in a three piece rock band. No, no. Where we're getting to the ask, if you three floppers were in a three piece rock band, which instruments would you play, what style of music? Who is your frontman? You're as rockingly, and he's got the devil horns here. Oh, cool. Mine, yeah.

Dan, why don't you go first? Well, it's tough, because I mean, to my knowledge, now maybe I don't know, maybe you've got things that I don't know about you guys, And this is a, you know, like, I mean, there's a learning. I can learn, you don't know. I can learn new things. And I don't know what to do with that. I don't want to hear about it.

But, um, to my knowledge, I'm the only one who plays an instrument. Um, and I, arguably the strongest singer, I don't want to insult anyone, but I think that Stu would be the face, obviously. Like it's a difficult thing. Like, I feel like, for me, a band, I would probably sing, but Stu should be the frontman. Like, if you somehow- I could see you being the kind of like awkward kind of quiet when he's not on stage singer,

who writes a lot of the songs, but you're not the most popular member of the band because Stewart is probably like on bass. I'm guessing. Yeah, it's due to you on bass. No, yeah, yeah, classic. That's the true. A high-guide of a guy. And of course, I'm, and I'm just playing synth and I don't need anyone to pay attention

to me. I don't care as long as I got my keyboard with me. It would be a guitar bass and synth band. So there's no drums. Very much so. Kay can do that with the synth. We don't with me. It would be a guitar bass and synth band, so there's no drums. Very much so. Kaye can do that with the synth. We don't need it. It's true, it's true.

And still, you know, the bass is a rhythm instrument. Mm-hmm. Yeah, we need a synth. How are we going to do all those John Carpenter covers that we do in our band? Oh, that's what we're going to do. A tour genre, okay. I'll take it. That's kind of taking away the singing part.

No, no, no. We do covers that we then add a bunch of lyrics to the big trouble in little China song. It goes, you mean the Halloween thing? Halloween thing, Halloween, Halloween, Halloween, Halloween. I mean, we don't do only John Carpenter covers. We just do mostly John Carpenter covers. We do most of the lyrics added.

Yeah. Okay. Okay. So I think we covered our whole and we're going to like zero. We're zero. David. Yeah. Well, go on tour, opening for ourselves for our Flophouse tour. Oh, wow. I mean, our fans would love that. I think. Yeah. Wow. And we, I mean, I actually love the idea of we all have false mustoustaches. I mean, it's funny. These songs come out with their selves afterwards.

I love it. I love it. I love the idea of Dan putting a false moustache on top of the actual moustache. It's actual beard, yeah. Yeah. Mm-hmm. Well, I hope we've solved everyone's problems. Of course, I'm not Dan McCoy.

Dan McCoy is only one, not two moustaches. They're like, Kenneth Branagh's puarro. a coin, Dan McGoy is only one, not two mustaches. They're like, Kenneth Bronos, Polaro. Double mustache man. Okay, well, that's one of the lesser flash villains, double mustache man. But a great, what, viral video, double mustache.

Yeah, what does it mean? Two mustaches, yeah. Let us recommend movies that we saw and enjoyed. We see movies like that. A more full three. Well, I saw one with you. I think I have a least one to you. I assume that's what you're going to recommend. Oh, okay, I can recommend that.

I have to. You're going to have to. I see a lot of movies too. I was going to recommend because it has our patron Satanet, Nicholas Cage, I saw a dream scenario. Oh, okay, see that. It's a film that like all the reviews I've read have been like mostly positive,

but sort of like shruggingly positive. It seems like people are a little, I mean, they're not full-throated in their endorsement of it. And from my perspective, I think it's probably because the movie resists like an obvious interpretation. It touches on a lot of stuff about sort of like the arc of fame and sudden fame and viral fame and most dangerously I think people could take

it as a cancel culture, like anti-cancer culture, screwed, but I don't think it's that. It touches on it, but like I think the movie does some theft things to make it clear that that's not really where it's hard is. I think that it touches on those themes only and so much as, at least for me, it is an exploration of, okay, let's take this absurd premise, how would it play

out in life? And that does end up saying some things about human nature. But what I liked about it, it was a lot more sort of ground level than I was expecting. It is much more sort of the character study about this guy, what happens to him when he has this fame that he is unequipped for. And honestly, he's nice enough, but sort of a shlob, like, has done nothing in particular to deserve it, and how it helps and hurts his life.

And I don't know, it approaches it with a with a sense of like emotional realism that I wasn't necessarily expecting but made it a lot richer for me than maybe the movie I thought it could be. So I enjoyed it. Dream's smart. Yeah, the Dan and I went and saw Saltburn the other day and I had a lot of fun with it. I previously mentioned cruel intentions and I feel like it's the movies kind of like talented Mr Ripley by way of cruel intentions. It's kind of less of a thriller like I feel like ads are calling it a thriller and I feel like it's more of a black comedy and it's like silly and intentionally shocking and gross. And the two leads me. It's certainly a horny, which is going to get already give you at least half a star for me. The like Barry Kagan's great. And oh, man, what a, what a hog on that guy.

Jacob Lourdes good, but really, you want to to see his hog. Yeah, if you want to see his hog, go see the movie. The movie for you. Um, but the, uh, the fucking standout as a Rosman pike is so fucking funny. Yeah. You walk into this movie and just takes it over. Uh, yeah, it, so I enjoyed a lot. Uh, I don't, I didn't really like, I don't really take away much of a message out of it. Uh, I don't necessarily think whatever message is trying to make,

I don't even know if it's trying to make a message. I think it's just like trying to be a fun, horny, like thriller. What do you think, Dan? Yeah, I think it's, I think it's touching on class stuff, but only in the most sort of surface-y way, and kind of like- Circusy?

In a way. Like a circus. I mean, there's like provocations in it, but I think it's more in sort of terms of like... Circusy? It was in a way. Yeah. Like a circus. I mean, there's like provocations in it, but I think it's more in sort of terms of like, let me do some high-tone trash, you know? Let me... Yeah. Just have fun. So...

Which sometimes you just need to check your brain at the door, right, Elliot? You got it. And speaking of high-tone trash and checking your brain at the door, I'm going to recommend a movie that is the exact opposite of that. Sorry, everybody. This is a movie I think I mentioned in passing on a previous episode and that is actually a trilogy of films called The Human Condition that were directed by Masaki Kobayashi. There are three movies, No Greater Love, Road to Eternity and a Soldiers prayer that all came out between 1959 and 1961.

And they are a lengthy series. Altogether, it's about nine hours or so long. Telling the story of a young man played by a tattooy Nakadeh, a man named Kaji, who is so devoted to his principles that they often cause him trouble in the real world. And he feels like, the first obstacle in his path is he feels like he cannot honorably marry his fiance because the world is falling apart. This is right before, right during World War II. And he finally does it. And in order to make a life for them, he has to keep making moral compromises.

In the first movie, he is an overseer at a prisoner of war camp where Chinese prisoners are forced into slave labor. In the second movie, he is forced into the army. And in the third movie, he is basically on the run as the Japanese army is being destroyed by the Soviets in Manchuria. And at each point, you see him trying to live as a principled person by his specific code of ethics, and either finding that he cannot, because the world is so corrupt around him,

or finding that in order to survive, he has to compromise in some way, because his ethics are untenable. And it's a grueling series, It's really bleak, but the performances are great. There's some genuinely thrilling sections of it where you think he's going to get caught where you think that there's, there in battle. But it's just really, really good. So it is not a movie to watch when you're looking to have some fun or check your brain at the door, but it is a really kind of a kind of beautiful rough shattering experience.

And that's the human condition. Um, well, three purely entertaining movies. Three minute, three, just fun, just like just like the flash, just total fun, not trying for anything else. Um, so, uh, thank you all for listening. Listeners out there. If you want to find more great podcasts, you can go to maximumfund.org and check out the other podcasts on our network, maximum fun. Thank you to Alex Smith, who goes by the name Howell Dottie on the internet.

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