The Flop House - Ep.#404 - The Legend of the Titanic

Episode Date: September 9, 2023

Due to the ongoing WGA - SAG/AFTRA strikes, we’re hitting pause on current releases, and focusing on some films 90’s kids will remember. And while we doubt most Smalltember(vember?) movies are union signatories, we decided to keep the train a rollin' anyway and make this a 90s flashback Smalltember! We kick it off with 1999's Italian-Korean-American co-production The Legend of the Titanic -- a bizarre attempt to cash in on James Cameron 1997 mega-blockbuster Titanic, in the form of an animated film featuring a similar star-crossed romance, but with a lot more talking animals.Check out more info about our season of streaming shows, FLOP TV, and buy tickets!Donate to the Entertainment Community Fund here, to support those affected by the WGA strike.The Wikipedia page for The Legend of the TitanicRecommended in this episode:Doctor Death (1989)Blow Out (1981)The Murder of Mr Devil (1970)Rouge (1987)

On this episode we discuss the legend of the Titanic. Finally, the true story of what happened to the Titanic. I got like two more of these, so you can... Hey everyone, welcome to the Flop House, I'm Dan McCoy. I'm Stuart Wellington. And I'm Elliot Kaelin and later in the show, I'm going to tell you some exciting flophouse show news for shows that you can see Like the fact that later today when this episode is released tonight We'll be doing the second episode of our flop TV series and we've got a live show coming up in Los Angeles

October 19th. I'll tell you more about those later in the show But for now back to the show and on with the show here comes Dan McCoy With the show Dan what's on the show tonight Dan and do what's going on with the show and on with the show, here comes Dan McCoy with the show. Dan, what's on the show tonight? Dan and what's going on with the show without further ado, let the show go on because the show must go on. There's no business like show business show me a rose and I'll show you a show. So let's show it all together. Show something right along.

Let's show it. Show it show it. Show it off to Buffalo here in Missouri, the show me down. Show it. Show it. Show it. Show it. Shuffle off to Buffalo. Here in Missouri, the show me state. Thank you, Elliott, for that concise wind up. Hey, this is the flop house, a podcast where we talk about bad movies. We've been recently because of the strike and because of our unwillingness. The strike of the writer's guild of America and saying after. Yes, because of those strikes, we are like not the strikes you did in bowling last night.

We all went at bowling last night and Dan was just throwing strike after strike. It was amazing. I'll let this lie stand because it paints me in a good light. Hold a perfect game. It was incredible. A perfect game for Dan. Of course, each of the pins was a freeze-dried live pigeon. So it wasn't.

So Dan was just destroying pigeons left and right. Very terrible. We call that Brooklyn style bolt like. So to sum up, we're on strike right now. The writers yelled andG Aftra. And we don't want to promote recent films. So we've been reaching back into in time and promoting old films. We don't really promote films on the podcast. Let's be clear.

This is us out of a, you know, and why are you willing this to go to extra mile to not even come close to supporting anything during the strike. So, we're talking about older films. Specifically from that magical decade. The 90s right now. The 90s. Hey.

Oh, I see. Spice girl. Uh huh, yeah. Flannel shirts. Uh, Mr. P body will hustle us back into the time machine and we'll go back, maybe another decade, but right now we're in the 90s. And it's also small timber. Oh, special time of the month. Small timber. We, I mean, for the year, I guess, but you know, it is also a time of the month if you think about it.

Yeah. If the year is a month, then this is a time of the month for sure, yeah. the month if you think about it. Yeah. If the year is a month, then this is a time of the month for sure, yeah. Honestly, most of the films we would cover in small, remember, anyway, would not be AMPTP, signatory. True, yeah. Production. This one was in a big studio, tent pole.

I mean, not for an American studio. I don't know what it was like in Italy Italy where this was mostly produced, although it was a joint production, which we love different countries. The joint Italian, Korean co-production with some, I think some other, my other places. But we thought thematically we should still reach back to the 90s. We said we're in the 90s right now. We're going to go with some older, small movies. This one, the Legend of the Titanic, an animated film

came out a few years after a little movie called Titanic, the Real Titanic. Here's how much we dislike the AMPTP and don't want to drive business their way at the moment. This is a movie that was a co-production with not just a Korean company, but a North Korean state-owned animation company. Oh dear lord. Out of the frying pan into the fire. Oh boy. Yeah, so this is a this was a movie that you have to imagine that Kim Jong Un was a Kim

Jong Un or Kim Jong Il at the time, right? Yeah. Who was who was the leader of North Korea was going to the studio every day to look at the daily animation rushes for in the pencil test. And clapping his hands and delight, I'm sure. Oh sure. He loves it. Yeah.

The magical world that has been spun. Him and his buddy Dennis Rodman were just going through giving their notes on the animation. Yeah. Holy and this horrific dog faced octopus. And being like beautiful. That's what it's face you like. Yeah. And now guys, now this, as you mentioned, this is clearly jumping on the Titanic bandwagon.

But it's also throwing in a dash of Don Bluth, a dash of Miyazaki, a whole, all sorts of things to create a sort of animated Mishmash of, a strange combo of things, you know, like combos, the candy, which are naturally occurring wonderful combination of elements. This is a weird combo, yeah. I had, the combos, it's so weird that- Should I not call combos a candy because they're not, they're not so savory, right? wonderful combination of elements. This is a weird combo. Yeah. I hate you. The combos. Should I not call combos a candy? Because they're not, they're not smooth, savory, right?

They're a snack food. They're snack food. Okay. Yeah. I mean, I think there's some sweetness with like the pizza sauce part of it. Sure.

They're sweetness in the way that like food scientists add sweetness to everything to get us addicted to their snack foods. Oh, for sure. That, but anyway. Yeah. Didn't you see that? I love there a new this addicted to their snack. Oh, for sure. That, but anyway, I don't know why we're pretending.

Stuart only eats nuts and fruit. Yeah, he's the healthiest. That's how he looks like this guys. Every time he comes over, it's a big package of nuts and some fruit. Yes, Stuart's on what he calls the Marmoset diet. if a Marmoset doesn't need it, he is not interested to not to get to into the. And occasionally to lead a Marmoset and a couple of weeks to lead a Marmoset to, yeah. You know, Stewart had food poisoning.

We had to delay that. Oh boy did I and he brought over his lunch, which was some brown rice. It looks like. So there you go. And my thermos filled with broth. So the letter to the Titanic. Oh, yeah, that's where we were in the. So this was back when the Titanic, when Titanic was a huge movie as opposed to now when

it's been overtaken by Avatar way of water as the James Cameron movie about water. And they decided to get it on that Titanic business. Guys, should we talk about this movie movie which starts out a little misguided and eventually gets to some very strange places? Oh, yes, we should. Although, I, sorry, I just remembered what I wanted to say

is that the disparate elements in this are so confusing to me. Like, they even want the kind of different plot lines start intersecting and theoretically influencing one another, they still feel completely separate to me somehow. Like they have this like mouse world and animal world and human world and I don't like the film is so bad

about integrating them that even when the plot integrates the like my brain still wants to keep them apart. Yeah, it kind of hurts your head, you get a headache. Although guys, I know you're saying that this kind of riding on the coattails of James Cameron's Titanic. But what about? What if James Cameron's Titanic? Wouldn't it have been improved if Billy Zane's character had access to a gang of tough talking sharks? It certainly would have. And the moment when that shark, for fun, that shark shows up is really, I think, when the movie enters a new level. Yeah.

It can also say, maybe in the course of explaining this movie to us, which you're about to start, you will explain to me why part of the villain's scheme was to sink the ship he also was on. But we'll get to it, I guess. We'll get to that. We'll get to that. Okay. And also, no, I won't be able to explain it. on. But we'll get to it, I guess. We'll get to that, we'll get to that. Okay, and also, no, I won't be able to explain it. So, we'll get to that. So, the movie begins as all great movies do

with an instrumental version of New York, New York, playing over a cityscape that doesn't really resemble New York. No, not at all. It does, one building does have a prominent Braniff Airlines logo on it. It was like, is that the famous brand of building? I get it when you shoot a movie in Toronto, for instance, and you're like, yeah, we're in New York, whatever.

But when it's animated, can't you just draw it from a picture? You could just be able to draw that city, yeah. Just draw it from a picture. It's pretty easy. Just like Google, New York, skyline and draw that city. This is 1999. It was a little bit harder to get pictures of New York back then. The internet wasn't going to be slow. It is slightly harder. Yeah.

So I have to get on like microfiche or some shit. I mean, and it's also possible these themes were drawn in North Korea where information about the outside world is very, very heavily. Oh, that's a good point. Yeah. So maybe they could not get a picture of New York. So we zoom into an apartment where some mouse children are asking their grandpa about what it was like being a sailor on the Titanic. Let's unpack that sentence. Okay, so wait, they're in like a regular size department. Or they are not, it does not show them zooming into like a mouse hole. They're in a regular size

department. So we assume it's like a duck world like there. Yes. Okay, so they're like human sized mice. At this point, we assume they're a human sized mice in a human sized city, or perhaps maybe it's a mouse city that, that brand of airlines also has, it's still exactly, brand of it's still in business. Maybe it only does mouse work now. I want to unpack the other part where you talk about how he was a sailor on the Titanic.

Now, I, this is another thing that wasn't really clear to me. This, the Titanic obviously had its, you know, human, human-sized sailors who, who staffed the ship and made it run. There's ample historical evidence to support the idea that there were humans working on the Titanic. Yeah, but this movie posits it seems that there's also like a separate mouse crew, because there's also like a separate mouse crew. Because there's a mouse captain. And I'm wondering what these animals are doing to pilot the ship if anything.

Well, so he's calling him a sailor is misguided or misdirect because these mice are operating more like coyotes, the people who help smuggle immigrants across borders because they are, they're just there to take care of the mice and help them to sneak onto the ship. And they don't have any technical, although later on, they do get heavily involved in the technical apparatus of the ship. Sure, sure, sure. But the captain is less than sort of the captain and more of like a cruise director for you.

Yes, exactly. I mean, maybe he stands there with a soda pop cap pretending it's a steering wheel. Like, oh, yeah, well, we're getting, we're almost in New York. Right. Okay. So what are the kids finds a w- and he says, you were on the Titanic at Sank and the Grand Puzz has something very funny that is never really born out of the movie. So it was all a misunderstanding, which doesn't really make any sense. And one of the kids finds a whistle

and he goes, oh, that was used to call the terrible Mr. Ice. Now, never having seen this movie before, I immediately assumed, oh, there's gonna be like a giant talking iceberg that is something or like some kind of ice elemental who created the iceberg. They would be ridiculous. As we'll later find out Mr. Ice is terrible,

but is actually a seek creature that has nothing to do with. Well, we'll see. I don't know why he's called that. He's from what I can tell a felon. Yes, consider he is both, that his body literally has prison stripes on it anywhere as a cap. But anyway, so grandpa flashes back to England 1912, which makes me wonder, maybe, you know what? So that story must be being told in like the 1970s, maybe the 1980s.

So maybe Brandon will still around. Okay. England, this point I'll stop trying about Brandon Fairline's defunct airline, which is just weird to me that that's the logo that is on the branded on a building. So England, 1912, and passengers are boarding the Titanic. And I'm just going to go through who some of these passengers are. I'm not going to go moment by moment entirely. Okay.

There's the wealthy Duke of Cameron, whose voice is kind of like a cut rate Donald Sutherland. Like if you asked one of us to do like a Donald Sutherland depression, that's the Duke of Cameron, his beautiful daughter Elizabeth, her evil stepmom Rachel, her end Elizabeth's evil fiancee Everard Maltravers. That guy is, is this a name? Is this a real name? Everard Maltravers?

Everard Maltravers. And we also meet Maltravers. Which is of course,ard Maltravers. Everard Maltravers. And we also meet Maltravers. Which is of course, France for bad drivers. Yes, exactly. And he has a much like Draco Malfoy and Malvolio. If you want people to know that it's a bad guy, put Mal in front of the name. That's why we know Mallory was the villain on what show was that family ties.

Yeah. That's right. And so, uh, and Maltravers has a eye patch and he also has a, a bumbling hench butler general did a Malcolm in the middle is the bad guy in the middle. Yes, exactly. That's why they keep them in the middle because he's in prison. So they can't get out. Yeah, prison between a do we and, uh, what's the other guy?

The older one. Yeah, the older son. This is named Captain Malum. Firefly was the bad guy all The older one. Yeah, the older son. Like, Captain Alan. Like Captain Alan. Firefly was the bad guy all along, right? Yeah, yeah. Yeah, and Ian Malcolm from the Jurassic Park movies, he's the one who let the dinosaurs loose in the behind the scenes. I mean, he is a bad boy.

He is a bad boy. Where's the leather jacket? He's a sexy mathematician. And Maltravers has a bumbling hedge butler named Jeffries, who's basically just guest on sidekick from Beauty and the Beast. Like it's such a total ripoff. Elizabeth does not want to marry Maltravers, but Rachel. Can I point out that Elizabeth has like a pretty cool mallet haircut.

Yeah, pretty, pretty current. Like I could see some kids in Bushwick wearing this hair. And surprisingly low cut dresses through much of the movie considering this is a kids movie set in 1912. Dan was pleasantly surprised. He said, I can't remember. Like I have to make it, I have to make an admission here, which is that, you know, as we said Stewart had some food poisoning. So we come, we call them the troubles. We push the recording. Is that what the, is that what Ireland was going through

when they had the troubles? Was this bad food poisoning nationwide? Yeah. This is like an airline food, probably from brand of airlines. Three days on from when we were supposed to record, I watched the movie the day before. Even as I was watching, my brain was having a really hard time

just in taking this movie. Maybe you had food poisoning. No, no, no, I'll admit as someone who was very healthy and ate good food, I also had trouble. I frequently had to rewind and rewatch scenes because it was like, I've said this forward to the movies. It's like the movie, my brain was so, it was so frictionless. The movie would just slide right off of my brain and I would have to shove it in to make

sure it actually made a memory, you know. Right. So, I mean, at a memory, you know. Right. So, I mean, at this point, you could tell me anything happened in this movie and I would leave you. Dan, I'll tell you right now, anything does happen because also boarding the ship are many immigrant mice from different countries, including sailor Tom Conners, who will someday be grandpa mouse. That's Tom Conners, the mouse not stomping Tom Conners, the pride of Prince Prince Edward Island creator of the hockey song, the catch up song, and many other great songs from

Prince Edward Island. And two, and yeah, just look up stomping Tom Conner's, the pride of Prince Edward Island is proud of two things. Okay. And of Green Gables and stomping Tom Conner's, a country singer who had stomped on a wooden board while he while he sang. And when I went to visit our friend Eric, who has now been mentioned in a number of floppers episodes, when he lived in Presented Island, they were not one, but two different and-of-green gables musicals going on at the same time.

And one stomping Tom Conner's biographical stage show where someone played him and played and performed his music. So. You got to combine them, have a stomping Tom Conner's and bring Gables musical. I just like the idea that like stop and with his thing, like an earlier era of entertain, like to live in that era of entertainment where like you just have a thing and the thing can just be you stop on some wood. But he would say and they would bring out the wood and people would cheer when they

brought out the wood and blank and he'd stop on it really hard. Okay, so these are these two Brazilian mice are also coming on Stella who Tom immediately falls in love with. She is barely a character. She just shows up every now and then and her soccer obsessed brother Ronnie, who is again Brazilian, a Brazilian named Ronnie and they do not have accent Brazilian accent and and he also he also repeatedly refers to soccer as soccer. Yes, he never calls it football or a football.

He has been in England to learn how to play soccer as he calls it. And he becomes Tom's sidekick very quickly and shows off some soccer tricks. Now, before they fully board the ship, Elizabeth's eye is caught by some spaniards who are dancing on the dock, including the black cloaked Don Juan Prince of Andalusia. Well, so as a dog named Smiley. And all the rich people hate Smiley, but Elizabeth immediately takes a liking to him. And in one of the creepier moments,

Smiley takes Elizabeth's glove, brings it to Juan, Don Juan, who immediately smells it and goes, aha, very weird. Which guys, guys, I've been there. I mean, it's literally the name of a spinal tap album is Smell the Glove, right? Like, it's a weird thing to do in a kids movie. Yeah, I mean, that's weird, but also,

like, I heard just acceptance of, well, I guess that's the dog's glove now. Possession is not going to lie. He's never had a dog bite a glove off his head. Yeah, Dan, are you really chasing after that dog to get that glove? I guess. I mean, it's not worth it. It's just a glove. You're that wealthy. You just, you know, open up your packing gloves. Yeah. Yes. Meanwhile, the the steward on the ship tells Wands buddies, you can't take that dog on here. So they bully him and then smiley on camera, pees on the steward's leg. Oh, yeah, that was pretty great. Yeah, yeah, we do see the pee. It's like Fiddy pool.

So the Titanic sets off. We learn that Maltrevers is a whaling magnet who has a fleet of whaling ships and he wants the Duke to sign over his valuable whaling territory, which the Duke has not been whaling in, but Maltrevers wants to. And as he says to Jeffries, nothing in the world counts, but money and power. And then we get the first of many hideously ugly swooping flybys of the CGI Titanic in this otherwise hand drawn animated film. Guys, how did you feel about mouth traverse is whaling plan or about these CGI ships in an otherwise pen and ink film?

I do like when he like refers to his his little buddy as a like a sniveling fact totem. Like has he been working on all these fucking burns? What's going on? Yeah, he has a thessaurus that he's consulting all the time. He's a bad guy with the saurus. Yeah. Well, the CGI, yeah, I do want to mention this. The rest of the movie is, you know, not good animation at all, but it, you know, like the design at least is like

acceptable sort of mid-budget knockoff animation. Yeah, not sub-don, blue, sub-dysney, you know. Yeah, but, you know, but the sort of stuff that's still used to get into the theaters once in a while. But then when you switch to CGI, you see like this, you know, very of the time, bad CGI boat, like running through water that looks like it's kind of like someone just took like the Mac paint, you know, the spray paint or airbrush thing and just like sprayed a bunch of gray all over.

So it looks like they're going through kind of like smoke or dirt instead of water. Yeah, I mean, and the boat gives the impression of being made out of cardboard when they do these. So it's, I don't think they're getting the majesty that they were hoping for, or that James Cameron achieves in his, his own Titanic movie, which is called, of course, as we remember the Abyss. Now, the humans, they have a gala banquet. Ronnie and Tom, the two mice, they ogle the food, and Elizabeth makes a big scene about not wanting to marry Maltrevers. And Ronnie goes, oh, she's beautiful.

I've got a crush on her and Tom goes, but she's a human and he goes, I'm not a racist. I can have a crush on her. And it's a proud anti-speciesist, anti-racist message from the movie where a mouse can lust after a human being. And that's the thing guys, that's the most I've identified with a mouse in a movie before is because like guys, I get it.

I can, even though I'm a mouse, I can appreciate a baddie when I see one, you know? Yeah. Now, hold on. So this, I mean like, Dan, I get King Shame this mouse. I normally don't agree with this sort of slippery slope logic of like, well, that leads to the lusting after animals. But this is literally what's happening here where it's just like instead of, instead of saying what it is, which is these are two different species of creatures.

A varying vastly different sizes as well. They're framing it like huge power differential. Yeah, they're framing it like as racism as if, you know, someone's like going to be like find somebody like fucks their dog. You're like, whoa, what a racist. I'm supposed to be intolerant towards dogs now and not find them attractive. Are you guys saying that if you guys got morphed into a cartoon mouse, he wouldn't find your wife attractive anymore? I'm too answer to that. Dan, you answer first and then I have two answers. Well, Stuart, you're reminding me of the time, I sort of like, I legitimately kind of teared up thinking about how if I was mouse, I, my cats would just eat.

You know what, Dan, that's much better than what I was going to say. It doesn't answer his question at all, but it's much better than I was going to say. Now, I will mention also the mice in the movie are mouse sized, which again, raises some questions when we see them in New York living in an apartment where they have regular size furniture. I mean, that's New York apartments these days. Yes, now, that's true. This movie is about to take a huge left turn because we cut immediately, it went to

seems to be the middle of a song. Well, Elizabeth is wandering the deck alone, crying. Some dolphins leap up into the air up to her eye level, which is a huge leap for a dolphin. That's like a thousand feet in the air. And they start talking to her, and they explain that she can now hear animals because her tears landed in a net of magic moonbeams. And then they added some dolphin magic to it.

So now she can understand all animals. I love it. And this is a huge swing for this movie to take. I love it. They say, and we added some dolphin magic. As long as you're doing this bullshit, just say that the tears landed in a magic moonbeam and be done. We want the dolphins to cast a spell either way, pick a lame movie. We saw that you were halfway through a magic spell, and so we added a little bit of

our own magic so we could talk to you. They don't want kids at home dropping their fucking tears in magic moon bean. Okay. Hoping that it's going to work. They had to clarify that they also have to have dolphins. Yeah, yeah, you don't want to come to the dolphins. You want kids to know that if they can't talk to dolphins, it's because the dolphins rejected them.

Yes, exactly. That's what a big worry. Yeah, exactly. That's what kids need to learn this stuff. And the dolphins explain that they have been battling Maltrevers' whaling fleet, which is about to go hunting in forbidden waters or has been hunting in forbidden waters. And I want to remind everybody, this is a movie about the Titanic, a real ship. And we've now introduced dolphins that can talk because of magic and are fighting a secret battle against whaling. Now, the whale is not going to get weird. It's not going to get any weirder though. I cannot promise you that it's not going to get weirder. In fact,

I can promise you it will get weirder. So, uh, maltravers, he asked the Duke for the right to his whaling concession and the Duke is very non-committal. The Duke is like, hmm, well, hmm, and uh, maltravers, he just tells Jeffries to send out. Cause he's on, guys, cause he's on fucking vacation. Right. I don't want to take about work right now. Yeah. I'm like, I'm like, I'm on a bug. Yeah. Uh, and uh, maltravers tells Jeffries, give the go ahead to my whaling fleet anyway, tell them to go hunting. Jeffry and also go talk to ice. Jeffries's then in another real swerve for the movie. Jeffrey's goes to the bow of the ship, blows on a whistle,

which calls up a shark named ICE, who wears a prison cap and has prison stripes on his body and speaks in a New York accent. To tell ICE, be ready, the boss is gonna call the plan into effect. So what this tells us is Elizabeth, there was a lot of magic that had to happen for Elizabeth to talk to these dolphins. But Mount Trevers and Jeffries have already been in contact with and have been plotting with a band of sharks

who can speak English with a heavy New York accent, even at this point, even at this point, they're closer to English British waters still. I also like the idea that at some point they're like, okay, what's the easiest way to sabotage this ship? We got to get in touch with some sharks. We got to get some sharks on our side who can maybe spoiler alert talk to an octopus whose size changes dramatically from some years ago. We'll get to that octopus. We'll get to the amazing size changing octopus. But rather than with the mind of a child. At no point someone's like, the face of a boss, what about a boss? What about a little bitch?

It's 1912, Dan. I don't know if they had a face. In 1912, they only had shark calling flute technology. Sure. And so here's, and it's so like, it was such a disappointment to me. I don't know if it was to you. When I found out that ice was not, Mr. Ice was not like an elemental wind spirit who's going to crash the ship.

But just a mean shark, just a criminal shark. Yeah, no, I did anticipate some sort of anthropomorphic iceberg that had a grudging into the Titanic or something. Yeah, I'm going to say I like the fact that this, as soon as this shark showed up, I couldn't be mad at it. That's true. This shark, I mean, I also, I didn't like that all sharks are bad guys in this, just like in all fish movies.

But I mean, except finding an email, yes, the sharks are reluctant, are reluctant bad guys sometimes. But what about Jabberjaw, dude? Yeah, all he wants to is rock us. I won't point out that I said movies very clearly, but Jabberjaw is yet to have a feature film on his own, but no good point. You're right. You see you dress the spirit of my note rather than the

letter of my note, which is fine. I'm not going to play rabbi here and say, oh, technically, the good book says movies. Thank you for your restraint, Elliott, for not doing any of those things. No, I will not do those things. I will refrain from it. So getting back to the story,

Ronnie and Tom the mice, they can also talk to Elizabeth now because again, magic moonbeams. And they tell her not to run for her problems, but to face them head on and she resolves to fight. She will fight for her freedom. Meanwhile, one can think of nothing but Elizabeth. And after the mice spy on Rachel, Elizabeth's stepmother plotting and scheming with maltravers. And it's kind of implied that they're having an affair.

Elizabeth goes to her father. He's got an eye patch. He does have an eye patch. She's sexy. He's like the, is that the, the halfway shirt man who had the eye patch or was it a different shirt company? I don't know, but I'm going to have to look that up. I'm asking about, I'm asking about mid century shirt ads that would be in print magazines.

So I expect you to know these things. So the Elizabeth goes through her father Duke. She says, I'll never marry Maltrevers. And in a shockingly anti-climactic moment, the Duke says, that's fine. I just want you to be happy. And it's clear he never really liked Maltrevers that much anyway. That is then followed up a little bit by you. I never really liked that man, you were a G. He was the eye patch and the negative name.

Yeah, who's clearly a villain and was mean to his bumbling servant. So and then some other stuff happens for the important thing is that Ronnie, the soccer mouse, kicks a tiny soccer ball into Maltrevers, causing him to fall onto a catering cart that then dumps him into a laundry vet. Which is the kind of come up in. That's very powerful. That does a potent kick for Maltrevers. maltravers, causing him to fall onto a catering cart that then dumps him into a laundry vet. Which is the kind of come up in. That's very powerful. That does a potent kick for my mind.

It's a potent kick. And also the kind of thing that usually happens at the ends of these movies. I'm like, should the movie be over by now? No, because we're on the Titanic, I remind you, a real ship that actually sunk. So I mean, 100% maltravers looks like the villain in a movie with a like a soccer playing dog, right? Yes. But this is a bunch of mice and a dancing dog.

Yes, because we'll see, the movie is not over because they've got to get Elizabeth and Juan to fall in love. Smiley, the mice and all the other animals on board. There's a surprising number of pets on board that's Titanic. They arranged for Juan and Elizabeth and we do not see most of them in the lifeboats at the end of the movie. I have to say, they arranged for Elizabeth to bump into one on deck. And this is the challenge at this point because at this point, one can still not understand

the animals. Yes, they have, and also these two people have to fall in love. They have never met. One has only smelled Elizabeth's glove. He cannot understand the animals, but Tom says, Dan, wait, Tom says they'll know if it's true love because their souls will unite and one will suddenly gain the ability to talk to animals too. A great narrative shortcut that is explained to us by a mouse in a moment and does not at all feel like they're just making up the rules as they go along.

There's a lot of thought out world building going on in the legend of the Titanic. Dan, what we're going to say? I'm just wondering why all these animals are so invested in the romantic lives of these two humans. Like do they not have their own emotional wants and needs? They do because as because you'll remember there is a mouse wedding at the end of the movie. We'll get to it.

In this movie about the real tragedy of the Titanic. So they bump into each other. A mouse orchestra plays a love serenade, the humans dance and kiss, the animals cheer, and then the mouse orchestra immediately plays some swing jazz that everyone dances to for a very long time. This is a very long sequence of them just dancing. I took a sequence, I took a, like animated a video of part of the sequence and made a gift at it because I was so charmed, but not charmed, but like charmed by how like bad and looked at all these,

like people, these animals and people dancing together. And I posted it on the, our flop house Instagram story and someone messaged me, pointing out that one of the mouse's beard appears and disappears as he dances. I like when you were telling that story, Dan, you kind of like reverse reality show judged it. You're like, I was charmed by how bad it was. Yeah, that was well done. That was well done. So this was the part, this is how my brain works is I started, I started thinking, wait a minute, this move, I don't know if this music is the kind of jazz they would have been

listening to in 1912. This feels like 40s jazz and I had to stop myself and be like, no one. This is a movie about the Titanic that involves talking mice and I didn't even know yet at the time that it involves a talking childlike octopus. So I, but I then shut that thinking down. I was like, why am I carrying? This is an animated movie of the Titanic. So and the, the, the, the zaniest things have yet to happen yet.

So this possibly anacridist and music, let's not worry about it. The Duke gives Elizabeth permission to marry one. All he wants is for start to be happy. But Rachel and Matt Travis. You don't know that he's like the Duke of Andalusia, right? I don't think she even knows yet that he's a prince. She's a stanced with him once and a kiss. And that's it.

Rachel and Mattraver, and it's also one of the things where it's clearly supposed to be she's the rich one. And he's like with the, with the, the people in steerage, but they say, he's got this like dark shadows outfit on. Yes. Yes. I wouldn't have been surprised if it turned out he was a vampire at any point. The Duke gives Elizabeth permission to marry, but Rachel and Maltravers are still plotting. And the mice tell one that they overheard Maltrevers saying he's planning to sink the ship. But I'm not actually sure if the audience heard him say that. Did I just miss him saying that? It seems like the mice were making that up to make Maltrevers look bad. And he is planning to do it, but it's very, it's like, I don't remember actually hearing him say that.

That's really good question. Dan, do you remember this very specific part of the dialogue in the movie? You have a lot of steel trap. I don't remember. I'm still puzzling over. I don't understand what his plot is. Like, why it involves sinking the ship? What? Somehow he has to sink the ship in order to, well, so here's his plot.

I think he has to kill the Duke. He has to, well, we'll get to it because he has to do science in paper. We'll get to it. So the mice then stop the telegraph operator from sending Maltrever's whaling ship orders. How do they do it? By chewing through all the ship's telegraph wires. This is going to be a bad thing. It turns out later on. Mike, it won't be a problem unless they need to send an emergency message from the ship. And that'd be wild. That ship is us. Sinkable.

That's ever going to happen. Sinkable ship is the Titanic. Although the mouse Captain earlier did say that the mice message from the ship and that'd be wild. That's sinkable. That's sinkable. That's every time. I mean, sinkable ship is the Titanic. Although the mouse captain earlier did say that the mice inspection board did not go out of their way to inspect the Titanic. They didn't manage to do that yet. Oh, wow. We're going to keep them in the fucking clear.

Yeah. So that you can't blame the mice. They didn't, the mice inspection board. They didn't okay this ship. They're not liable. They're not liable. Yeah, let me check to see. They watched that. They watched that. They produced this movie, the mouse inspection board. Yeah didn't okay this ship. They're not live. They're not live. Let me check to see you watch that. I produced this movie, The Mountain Spection Board. Yeah. Yeah. The ultimate authority.

That's right. It's like, it's like United passions. The soccer movie. The movie all about how great FIFA is and how set players to hero. Yeah. So this is when Jeffries contacts ice the shark tells them to sink the ship at midnight. So these sharks also can tell time. And Ice and his thugs, they set up this, they set this up. There's only one way to sink this ship. It's the only logical way to do it. They're going to have to easy.

They're going to have to trick an enormous child like octopus named tentacles with the face of a puppy dog that and the tentacles is a good friend with an orca named orki. They're gonna have to trick octopus into an iceberg throwing contest so that they will get an ice spring into the path of ship. Again, this movie is based on a true story. People died, like lots of people. One thing I love about Octopi is that they're like people who make cartoons. They love to put fucking Octopi in their shit.

Yeah, but they're amazing animals. They're amazing animals, they love to put fucking octopi in their shit. Yeah, it's not too bad. But they're amazing animals. They're amazing animals, they're great, but they also have like the least friendly face possible. Yes. So they're like, okay, this is the one animal we have to completely fuck the face around of the little animal. Because there's no way to make a cute octopus who has a hard beak in the middle of his tentacles

where a human would assume a butt would be. It's very, it's a weird design for an octopus. And so they always have to put the face on its bulbous head, and not what actually goes, which is in the middle of the tentacles. I will, I agree with all of what you're saying, except for. Dan, where's your butt? Is it between your legs? Yes.

Where's your mouth? No, we're near your legs. Is it between my legs? I don't know if my butt is between my legs. It's between the muscles of the back. I would call it ser My butt is between my legs. It's between the muscles of the back. I would call it. So, I'm going to take a bunch of pictures of the ins body, where my legs meet the shore. What's closer to the center of your of the air between your legs? Your butt or your mouth? This is not what I'm going to talk about.

Answer the question, Dan. Why are you afraid to answer the question? What is the idea? It's being weirdly invasive, actually. I don't I'm going to talk about it. Answer the question, Dan. Why are you afraid to answer the question? What is the... It was being weirdly evasive, actually. I'm just asking you a simple question about the location of your butt and your mouth. And for some reason, you refused to answer. Ladies and gentlemen of the jury. In the case of raise the net versus Dan McCoy. Dan, do you have like a measuring tape around here?

I think that'll... We can just clear this up. It's in the middle of my body. Like if you're like, if you're talking about the top of the head to the bottom of your feet, I wouldn't say it's between my legs that way. But which is closer, your mouth or your butt to your legs, which is closer to like, I can't use the say answer. Still cannot answer.

I don't understand the point. I think this is going to be the question that tripped you up in that, and that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, I'm just trying to understand the underlying point. Answer the question, sir. Answer the question. Your honor, the wind is just being in Calcatra. You have to use the answer question.

You're pulling, you're pulling a Rand Paul on me. You're like asking your ridiculous question. And I mean, you're pulling a rant poll on me. You're like asking your ridiculous question. And then I mean, like, see, doesn't want my answer. I don't know what's ridiculous about the location in your body of different orifices. You're the one who's trying to cloud the issue and make it seem as if your butt and your mouth might end the same distance from your legs. Could I just say the thing that I wanted to say, though? Yes. If you remember what it was, then please do. I find, avoid the question. I agree with what you're saying except for, I find actual octopuses or octopi, depending

on how you say it, cute. Whereas whenever you try and answer per morph of eyes and octopus, it's horrifying. I look like you can agree, even if we can't agree on the, on the, the variable, did the variable distances between your legs and your orifices. We can agree that octopuses are great, they're beautiful animals, they're really cool. But, I know that I think there is, I think they're cute until you look at that beak. The beak is, feels weird because octopuses, you think soft, you think mushy, that beak is hard and dangerous.

And all you can think about is it biting your fingers off when you go into pet noctis. So I understand why a cartoon octopus would have a cute face. Why it would have a puppy dog nose on its head, I don't understand. I don't know why they made that choice. Alarm part about this design. Yes, and then why they also gave it one of these kid personalities that movies give to kids where it borderline, it's borderline mentally damaged. How it would send this?

Well, yeah, I mean, I think it's like to play on like a, like a, of Mice and Men type, Leni type thing, right? I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know.

I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. Jack with Robin Williams. Robin Williams is playing a child and there are other children who are supposed to be the same age as him. And the other children have personalities and

can be lies sometimes and what, but Jack is just a nature's innocent. He can never do wrong and he's just a, he's an angel. He's an angel. Yeah. It's not angel of the morning. I just, I want to say to listeners though, is that what that song's about? Is that a movie? Yeah, that song's about the movie Jack. It was a tie-in of the movie Jack, yeah. Yeah, spoiler alert, I'm not going to recommend that people watch all of this movie, but you should Google what tentacles in the legend of the Titanic looks like because he'll haunt you.

Yeah, he will. He will, and he haunts the movie. Yeah, like the specter of communism, haunting Europe, tentacles haunts this film. So the duke tells Maltravers the engagement is off. That's when Jeffries, Maltravers, and Rachel, the duke's wife, threaten the duke at gunpoint. They demand he sign a paper, giving Maltravers the ownership of the wailing territory, and also a new will, giving everything to Rachel. They then tie him up and escape the ship in a lifeboat. This is why they're sinking the ship. They have to

fake the duke's death so that they can hurt everything and fake and and not fake the duke's death. They have to kill the Duke and the partners when they're when they're tying him up and his wife, his wife reveals that she is betraying him. He's like, oh, jokes on you. I'm into this. Does that happen? I don't remember that. Yeah, it was really, it was a quiet moment. He's like, oh, I'm a major cook. He wouldn't do this because you know that I'm really aroused right now.

I know that they're villains, but this is a really insidious plan to cover up one murder by sinking an entire ship and killing 1500 people. Yes, it's overkill. Let's call out that. It's overkill. And I don't mean overkill the band. I mean overkill the action. So tentacles is horrified to learn that he has helped the sharks potentially hurt the

humans and the sharks. So their plan is they're going to, he's already thrown a giant iceberg into the path to ship. The sharks will hold the Titanic's rudder so it can't avoid hitting the iceberg. This again, everyone, every human on the ship, their hands are clean except for Mel Travers. It's not human error at all. It is shark error. There is chaos as people fall over trying to get into the lifeboats.

People cannot walk steady on the ship and one and Elizabeth search for the Duke to save him as the captain announces he plans to go down with the ship. won an Elizabeth search for the Duke to save him as the captain announces he plans to go down with the ship. He will he has to the mouse captain who does not plan to go down with the ship. It says their only hope is to send out an SOS signal. Oh no, guys, are they going to be able to telegraph out in SOS? The wires, what happened to the wires? Do you remember remind me of the mice to the wires?

The mice chewed through him, right? They chewed through the wires. So there's no way that they could ever connect him. There's just not a wire. Do you remember remind them? The might chew through them, right? Yeah. They chewed through the wires. So there's no way that they could ever connect them. Thank you, bird of wire. I appreciate this little taste of sort of like a library, you know, reading to children hours. Yeah, I'm just going to show you what a well structure, a well structured movie this is, is

that they can't just, there's consequences for that. They planted earlier. In order to connect the wires, there's like a gap. They're not gonna be able to go that way. There's a gap between the wires. What's an item? They can't be able to connect those. They can't be connected.

If only, there was, there was some kind of strings or something that they could use to connect these wires. Maybe a character with a long mustache. Maybe there's a, maybe there's a, maybe there's a, maybe there's a, maybe there's a, maybe there's a, maybe there's a character with a long mustache. Maybe, no, no, they did, thankfully earlier, they didn't, they did, they did, and now introduce the French mouse, Camembert, who is a long mustache, and Camembert demands that they attach the wires to his

mustache. Luckily, his mustache is just long enough to close the gap between the wires. The message goes out. His mustache is made of wire and can do it. Thankfully, the hairs that grow out of his face are incredibly good at conducting electrical signals and impulses. That's the way it looks. The hairs that grow out of his face are incredibly good at conducting electrical signals. And impulse is tragically though, he appears to die in the process. Camembert has given his life to save everyone on the Titanic.

He has sadly passed on screen. Yeah, one of the characters takes their little sailor hat off and goes, oh, Camembert. Yeah, Camembert. Oh, Tom does, because he's the only sailor on the, on the damn ship. Yeah. There's only, the staff is just the captain, Tom, and Camembert, who I thinkembert. Tom does because he's the only sailor on the on the damn ship. Yeah. There's only the staff is just the captain Tom and Camembert who I think was like the cook or something anyway. Yeah. The mouse captain, he goes get into the lifeboats, but don't let the women see you because quote, they'll just raise a ruckus and get in the way. This movie was made in 1999. It's set 1912, but the fact that the mouse captain has to go out of his way to talk about how the

women are useless when they see a mouse is. Well, just because the character says something doesn't necessarily mean that's like the viewpoint of the film. That's true. I've been playing the legend of the Titanic for what the misogynist mouse captain says. For this mouse captain's view on female hysteria. The mouse captain is like, they're not funny by the way, either. Women can't be funny.

It's impossible. It's like mouse captain, why, they're not funny by the way, either women can't be funny. It's impossible. It's like mouse captain, why are you saying these things? Anyway, Elizabeth and Juan, they find the Duke, they untie them, they get them into a life boat. For some reason, they don't join him in the life boat. They say on the bow of the ship as it continues to sink. And I couldn't understand why they didn't say, get in the life boat. But anyway, that's up to them.

Tentacles, who it turns out, is way bigger than it at first seemed. He manages to hold the ship together with his tentacles long enough for everyone to get into lifeboats except for our two heroes, Elizabeth and Juan and the animals that are with us. This is all documented, right? This document is history. Yeah, and this is based on a true story. This child octopus is cracking-sized.

Mm-hmm. Yeah. And it's good because the Titanic has been cracking-sized. Mm-hmm. Yeah. And it's good because the Titanic has been cracking in two into two pieces. That is. It takes the crack in, the physics crack in. Yeah. And so tentacles holds it together and the captain goes on going down with the ship. And tentacles apparently hears this, understands it and says, no, you aren't.

He frees one of his tentacles, grabs the captain and places him in the lifeboat. Our mind listeners that in real life, Captain Smith, the Captain Titanic, was not saved by a giant octopus and died along with 1,500 other people on board. You know what? Put him on an orca. Guys, I'd want to reverse. And I should have said fight crackin with crackin anyway. But yeah, sure.

Yeah, sure. We can just drop that in. That's good. And then put like a little slide whistle. Afterwards. Yeah, let's do that. That's great. So anyway, so yeah, as it happened in real history, a giant octopus has saved the captain of the Titanic. Eventually, our heroes, they're like, here goes nothing. They jump off the bow of the now vertical ship. They fall.

It must be a 2,000 feet into the water. They're luckily saved by some whales, by morning. Another ship shows up and rescues every single passenger from the Titanic, the ship that famously sunk killing most of the people on it. Oh, wait a minute. Didn't, didn't Camembert die? Yes, that's true. Camembert and also, I was, so Tom takes a moment to remember those who died saving them.

He remembers Camembert and also tentacles who we see appears to have been crushed to death under the Titanic. Grieving fish show up and leave bouquet is, but then we see one of tentacles tentacles grab a bouquet. So and Camembert shows up. He didn't die at all. Yeah, we'll get to that. We'll get to that spoiler. What? Then we see one of tentacles, tentacles, grab a bouquet. So. And Camembert shows up. He didn't die at all. Yeah, we'll get to that.

We'll get to that spoiler alert. Spoiler alert. The ship arrives in New York, a newsy announces that Maltrevers and Rachel were the only ones not rescued. And we get a chilling pun intended glimpse of them rowing through a field of icebergs, waiting for death, waiting for inevitable death. Yeah. Which one? I assume they're going to eat Jeffries at some point.

It's basically is like the start of the terror. Yes. Yeah. And not the start of the terror war, which is an important element in, you know, wine growing things like that. Why, anyway, anything can have terror. Yeah, that's true. Yeah, anything.

Jared Harris. You're happy. Yeah. So Elizabeth and Juan, they get married at St. Patrick's Cathedral. Tom and Stella get married as well. They have a mouse wedding. And one coach ride later over a horribly CGI Brooklyn bridge, a fleet of whales and dolphins arrived to reveal that tentacles is still alive.

Elizabeth gives tentacles a kiss. And the captain says tentacles, you are a true hero. Again, in real life, the captain, the salute was shot off. In real life, I'll remind you that captain at this point had died, had drowned to death, and was not around to salute a giant octopus for saving him. And that's when Camembert returns, no explanation given. Yeah, I'm sorry, I jumped again. I was just so excited.

Canva Bear arrives. Who knows what deal with some of the humays? I was just as excited as everyone else. I know you were just excited. Yeah. To know that Canva Bear came back. I want to say too. Also, when Ted shows up, he comes out of the water, like bulging.

I was like, I literally said that loud Jesus Christ. Cause he's like dwarfs the bread and bread or or. Oh he's enormous. It's just like he's a fucking Kaiju. Yeah. It's it, isn't it? I think the movie with the giant octopus that Ray Harryhausen did the fireworks. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah.

Like it looks like that. It's looks scary and everybody on the bridge is cheering. When they should be so frightened, this giant octopus shows up. I would say the saddest thing for me is that tentacles did all this work throwing that those fucking icebergs around just so you could get Mr. Rice's hat and he was so fucking happy to wear that hat and then after all that shit happened, he couldn't wear the hat again. And then it sucks that it was like his love of that hat was colored by the tragedy that. I forgot that was the prize that was awarded to him was the, was the ISIS hat. You're right.

That is the real tragedy of this because again, in this movie, nobody except the bad guys died. And we have to assume that the captain also cried on the ship at some point in this magic boon beams. And that's how he can talk to tentacles. That's actually a really good point. But that this is a movie where, this is a movie about the Titanic, where a mouse dies using his mustache to send a telegraph message for an SOS. And then shows up later, totally alive with no explanation.

The mouse orchestra plays everyone dances end of flashback. We are now back in modern day mouse York. Grandpa Tom warns his grandkids that evil still exists and that whales are still hunted. And he's about to tell them, he's like, you must always remember, but grandma Stella comes out, cuts him off, tells the kids to go get something to eat. She refers to her husband as Conners, his last name, which is weird. She goes, Oh, Conners. And we pull back to the skyline again.

Goodbye to our Titanic friends until the sequel, guys, there's a sequel to this movie that came out five years later called In Search of the Titanic, which involves where Elizabeth, Juan, tentacles, all our friends return and to meet a race of undersea mure people who I guess are living near the Titanic. God's honest truth is this is a real movie. I feel like we have to watch it at some point. Maybe sometime. It almost auto played on Tobi. Yeah, on Tobi immediately brought this up. The local news broker television before it happened. He pulled that Elvis Presley.

That is the true legend of the Tate Tant. All that stuff about Jack Rose, the heart of the sea, necklace, all made up because in real life, the Titanic was the story of Elizabeth and Juan and some brave mice and a very easily duped giant octopus named tentacles. Yeah, let's move on to giving our final judgments about this movie, whether it was a good bad movie, a bad, bad movie, a movie, we kind of liked. I want to say something. Mm-hmm.

Say something. Go ahead, you got the floor. We've had a lot of fun here today talking about the Legend of liked. I want to say something. Say something. Go ahead. You got the floor. We've had a lot of fun here today talking about the Legend of Titanic. But I want to get real with you guys. Okay. Yeah, get super real. Much like the real story of the Legend of Titanic, a movie based on reality. Oh wow. Dan's taking a shirt off. And the pants too.

Oh wow. Something that's just like the real love. I overheat when I get emotional. Yeah. Yeah, you sweat out of your eyes. Yeah. I have a lot of, I have a lot of, I have a lot of great things in my life. You know, I, I, I, I, this is already much deeper than I expected you to go in your final

judgment, the legend of the Titanic. I have a lovely wife. I have a nice, you know, two beautiful cats, a surprisingly affordable apartment for where we are in Brooklyn. I, you know, I've accomplished things. I have this podcast, you have like a little community and a float during the one and NAACP image award. It's true. As likely as it sounds, that's an actual thing that happened. So, I know that I have a blessed life in many ways, but I've been feeling my fair share of on we recently. Yeah. You know, our, the industry that Ellie and I work in is very uncertain,

the industry that Ellie and I work in is very uncertain, most the best of times. And now it feels like perhaps it's all falling apart in a larger way. Some very powerful people made some very stupid decisions. Now we have to pay the price. You know, this podcast, which I am very proud of, has a parasitic relationship to creativity. And sometimes I wish maybe I'm doing something with my life

that's more arch-favorite, forwardly creative. And the Titanic. I'm a 45 year old man, you know, I'm dealing with, maybe you look great. Midlife stuff. Ah, look okay. I'm, you know, I have, I have here that I would like to be.

I have a lot of joint pains. Dan, you don't look a day over 55. Thank you. And just lately I felt like a little adrift. The world seems like a scary and horrifying place. It drifted much like the Titanic again, again, the subject of the movie. Mm-hmm. It seems like most of the country's ground water is gone now, in addition to a lot of

other horrible things. I mean, that's, that, I saw that newspaper article and I'm like, yeah, no shit dude. People have been talking about this for, for 40 years, the loss of groundwater. Um. Don't, don't scare me about it now. I, we've known about it. My point is someone didn't read Cadillac Desert. Maybe I was in a depressive place when I watched the legend of the Titanic and you know,

there were an already not great movie just felt like a chore to me. That's what I mean by saying like we had a lot of fun. This is a fun movie to talk about. A lot of zany stuff happens in it, but the actual experience of watching it for me was a combination of like, dutifully rewinding parts of the movie to try and figure out what the heck was going on, because I was like, well, I got to talk about this and is it acceptable? How little of this is filtering into the, let's say the groundwater of my brain and anger at it, what I did, I understand it. I just found this an unpleasant thing to watch over all and I'm going to say it was

bad bad. It was a long road to get here, but the answer is bad bad for me. Guys, when I was a little boy, oh, wow. Okay, great. Good one. Let's see this. No, I'm just joking. When I started watching this movie, I watched like the first third of this movie shortly before I started feeling the effects of food poisoning that hit me hours after getting home from a 10 hour flight. And the,

I remember the enjoying that first third. And then the second batch I watched after spending 36 hours in like fever dreams and puking and shitting my guts out. And I started watching it again as soon as my eyes could focus on a screen of any kind. And you know what? I think this is a good bad movie. I think it's like super dumb and wacky and it's just as fun. I feel like it's like, yeah, you probably shouldn't pop it on by yourself in the dark moments of the night. But if you're hanging out with some friends and you want to watch a dumb bad movie, this

is a pretty fun one to laugh at. It's pretty silly. Yeah. I'm going to say good bad. I agree with Stuart that I think it's a good bad. I've also been going through some, you know, we've all been going through tough uncertain times right now. I've so much to be thankful for and blessed, I feel blessed about it for the same time.

These aren't certain times. And I feel like I had the opposite experience that Dan is that I started watching it. I was like, I'm really gonna have to watch this piece of shit. And then about 20 minutes in, I was like, I can't wait to see what other dumb things this movie has installed for me. And by the end when the captain of the Titanic

was telling tentacles, you're the real hero tentacles. I was like, movie, you cast a spell of crap on me. So, so yeah, I would, I would also say this is a good bad movie for watching with your friends. Just not being, just don't tell them what happens. Let them discover Camembert's death and resurrection. Guys, if I'm, if I'm unfortunately, you know, you know, God forbid, in a situation where I get to make a wish, it would be to maybe it's because of magic or maybe because of some kind of malady. I wish to get to watch this movie again in the presence of James Cameron and he would have to watch the whole thing with me.

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Not because you took the party with you. Yeah, I took the party with me. I tried to leave it. This is a real check your butt at the door type movie. Now, you leave your butt at home. And customs, they thought he was smuggling a couple of melons. Mm-hmm. But I was just, but I have been, I have been working on my squats and various other things

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Open up that podcast app. Type in Bullseye and hit subscribe. You're not gonna wanna miss any of this. Hey, here's a weird thing I'm gonna try. type in bullseye and hit subscribe. You're not going to want to miss any of this. like kind of flop adjacent, you know, funny stuff about trash culture, centered out into world. No one seemed that interested. I might publish it, I might self publish it, finish it, and self publish it because I already did a lot of work on these essays, but I don't know. It seems like in this world, like certainly someone who had like a couple of Emmys for comedy writing and a semi-successful podcast, there's gotta be some interest out there, right?

So if you work in the publishing industry, maybe I just got it out to the wrong people. If this sounds interesting to you, I don't know, maybe get in touch. It's a weird use of the podcast I know, but very weird. But look, I need to diversify my career. As we said, the world's falling apart. If you think this is something you might like to see a book you might want to read, and you work in a position that, you know, you want to take a look at it, ask me to take

a look at it. That's all I'm saying. Dan, Dan, I'm going to take this weird borderline unethical thing that you're doing. And I'm going to piggyback on it because I've mentioned, I think I might have mentioned the past. I've written an unpublished novel that I don't think anyone wants to publish. It's a fantasy horror novel set in Hollywood in the 30s. You want to publish something like that? Get in touch with Dan, tell him that you don't want his blood. I know. You want mine. C.Y. it's borderline on ethical. All we're doing is cutting out, you know, the middle people who honestly also have a personal relationship to create it.

Wow. Wow. Now we're going into territory. I cannot abide. So Dan, what do we do next on this podcast? On this podcast, we also take a few letters from listeners. Like who? Like you.

The listener. Well, your hosts. You're not included in that. Oh, but I listened sometimes to you guys, but often I don't. I just off the top. If you weren't a host, you just wrote a bunch of letters to the podcast. You can write a letter to me at the top. One of the hosts. Oh, specify. Dear Dan, it was a little weird when you started asking people to look at your book.

Love it. I don't think I, you know, keep up the way it worked. I think it's an acceptable one-time use of the pod. Sure. I'm sure. One time either. Ask whether anyone is interested. Sure, one time. Ask whether anyone is interested. This letter is from Jeff Lastname withheld. Jeff Bridgier. Do right. I was recently diagnosed as having type 2 diabetes, so I decided to lose some weight. Toward that end, I bought a cheap secondhand treadmill and I've been watching movies on

my tablet as I walk for hours in my basement. Today, I watched the 2020 Donnie Yen Action Comedy movie enter the fat dragon. I figured I'd watch some fantastic action sequences and endure some fat-shaming jokes as I wild away the cardio hours. To my surprise, the action and comedy were there and while Donnie Yen spends two-thirds of the movie

in a fat suit, his weight in and of itself isn't the butt of the joke. Sure, it's odd to see Yen running around Tokyo carrying the extra pounds, but his fighting and movement remain a highlight. It's actually pretty body positive for the most part. Do you remember at time when you assumed a movie would go for the easy joke, but didn't win in a different, better direction? By the way, Inter the Fat Dragon is available for free on Tubi and Hoopla.

I was very pleasant surprised. Love the show. Jeff last name with help. Well, before I, before I think deeper onto this question, I will say on a similar note, I was as soon as I saw promo shots of Scott Adkins for the new John Wick movie where he also plays a character in a fat suit. I was like, Oh, no, this is going to be terrible. But they actually don't spend too much time.

They don't really play on the idea that he is large. And how fast do they play on the idea that he's in charge? Of course they do. And there's he's in charge. There's I think it's only of our days and our nights. Wait, that's all. That's all. But yeah, and then nights. Wait, that's all for us. That's all.

But yeah, and then he, in that, in that fat suit, he does get in a good fight with John Wick in a scene that's basically like a street fighter level. And it's fun. This is a very good question that I should have thought more about considering that I'm the person with the most exposure to the letters I had at time. I'll tell you that I, it's hard for me to think of a movie off the top of my head that I'm the person with the most exposure to the letters I had at time. I'll tell you that I, it's hard to me to think of a movie off the top of my head

that I'm sure there are, but I will say that lately my kids have been super obsessed with the Dogman series of books by Dave Pilke, and there's a fair amount of potty humor in it, and a fair amount of dumb humor in it, but that's one where I was surprised at how often there'll be a certain amount of toilet humor and then it will swerve away from that at some point. And those books start out just kind of being dumb fun for kids and they more and more of each book as it goes on involves the characters talking about the redemptive power of love. And so I'm like, oh, this is not what I expected. So I, that's a book version of the same thing

where those volumes more and more less about jokes about poop or people being covered in pee and more and more about the characters having to make choices. So I'm like, okay, I appreciate that. But those are books, not movies. I don't know what to tell you. Books are like movies that you don't watch, but you read. Yeah, I, and you can't hear them unless you book on tape, which is like a movie in your mind. Continue. The thing in your mind is the biggest arrogant zone. The thing that leaps my mind is that I really

just arrogant zone. Now that's the sweet of where your butt or your mouth are holding on your body. Oh boy, my butt's where my butt goes. And where is that Dan? Where is that? At the top of my legs. That's where my legs go. Between my legs and my torso.

I imagine Dan, yeah, he Dan is putting together a scale to go to the butt bone goes where the butt goes. And he's like, I don't even know what butt, what bone this is. But I saw Dan,, what leads to mind? I just liked it in Booksmart, where the whole setup of the movie is that these two, you know, people who think they've made this, like, choice to be, like, where are the responsible ones? We're going to go to, like, the good schools or whatever, like, everyone else at their school who, a normal movie would dismiss as like the stereotype is like, oh,

these partying people, you know, can't also be, you know, successful. Like the movie is like, no, no, like either through like them actually being smart or I, you know, one implies maybe like, or in first from the fact that they they're at this fancy school, they just have connections. They're also going to good schools and these people have artificially limited their own social life through the choices they have made. They're not ostracized nerds, necessarily, they are people who have chosen to not not socialize and and missed out because of it and I think that that's a FUN subversion of like the normal Yeah, just just because the popular kids are popular don't mean doesn't mean that they aren't like studious and hard work. Yes

Exactly. Yeah, I like I like a movie that takes the brave stance of being pro popular kid and anti Anti-nergy. You're still stuck in your early. Get that chip off a shoulder someday Yeah, I like I like a movie that takes the brave stance of being pro popular kid and anti anti nerd. Ali, you're still stuck in your early get that chip off a shoulder someday. Yeah. Okay, so let's move on. This is from Patrick last name with held who writes. Patrick O'Brien of the Aubrey Motorn novels. Oh my God.

Tell him I love it. Do you like books with a lot of sales? That's mother fucker. Patrick specifies that this is Patrick from the original cast podcast. Okay. Not Patrick O'Brien of the late off. Stewart, do you ever do that, too? Or was it just Elliot and I?

I think it was just you guys. That's what about musicals or it is about musicals. I can see why I might not be invited. You love musicals, though. I do love musicals, but you know, sometimes just people stereotype me as like a cool popular honk and not. Right. So, I do like musicals.

And how to nerd like Elliot and me who like musicals. Your black Adam discussion about how to do Exposition Dumps and Audience Confusion reminded me of one of the most confounding movie theater experiences of my life. Well, I want to hear about it. My dad and I went to see Skyfall on opening weekend. If you were called, the film opens with a shot of a hallway and then a figure appears at the end of said hallway, out of focus, and accompanied by a horn sting on the score. It should have called it sky hall.

Brand. The moment this happened, the person next to me turned to the person they were with and said, who's that? The movie was 10 seconds in. We all had the same amount of information. These people have been their seats since before the trailers began. Did this person want to tie Ron to appear with the words James Bond and an arrow pointing to Daniel Craig? Which brings me to my question, what is the moment in a film that others found confusing,

that you thought made perfect sense? As we've been testing with El. Thank you, Pat. I want to mention, before he answered that question, what is the moment in a film that others found confusing that you thought made perfect sense after you've had a name with El? Thank you, Pat. I want to mention, before you answer that question, I want to mention that is the opposite of the situation I think I've talked about before at some point, where I was watching the movie My Architect at the Film Forum in the middle of the day, and it's just old people in the audience. And the Architect IMP is talking on screen, and then his name comes up on screen, IMP, and then fades away.

And about 10 seconds after his name faded away, a woman turned her husband and said, that's I am pay. And it was the obviously experience was like, yeah, we all have that information. We know it. Thank you. Yeah. Thanks for putting that out. Stuff that we thought was. I mean, I feel like there's a lot of times in the past. I know that there are times in the past where I've been like, too snide in my own head. People thought this was confusing. I thought this was obvious, but I'm having trouble. I feel like it happens to me with certain types of science fiction or fantasy movies like

time travel movies a lot of time people are like oh boy, I couldn't I couldn't wrap my noodle around that one where at like something like like like you've got your Christopher Nolan time travel movies like interstellar and tenet where it's like all right yeah I see what he's doing here like you kind of if you've seen time travel stories you kind of know ahead of time what he's doing some of the time but you're at regular audience that it hasn't read a lot of time travel stuff, I guess. They're like, hold on a second. But it also reminds me of going to see the Matrix with my dad and having to spend about as long as the length of the movie explaining to him how it worked.

Like why? He's like, so Neo is special and that's how he can be in both the Matrix and the real world. And I'm like, no, no, no, everyone's in the Matrix and the real world. The Matrix is just happening in the computer and people's heads basically and he's like, huh, okay, okay. So in their heads, they're all in those tubes. No, that's the real world.

Hold on a second. So it was sometimes people just can't grasp it. And then there's movies like the fountain, which I remember made a lot of sense to me when I saw it. I think it's been baffling to other audiences because it's more, it's operating on an emotional level more than it is on a story level. I think that that stuff, like, and also because a lot of the story was supposed to be told in other medium that media that didn't come out. Yeah, but that's often the thing that sort of confuses me just because it's like a different way of looking at stories,

like there are stories that, you know, there's stuff that happens in it that mostly makes sense on a metaphorical level or. Yeah, yeah. Maybe doesn't need to be like understood literally. And I think that like in life, it's not like I'm not a practical person, but that never bothers me. I'm like, why do you need a literal explanation for all that happens in art? Like, why does

it have to be like, you know, like, can't just be both. But this is like, I don't know if this is where it is. The question, but like, yeah, I think more often than dealing with people, like not getting it in like the literal sense, it's more often just like a general lack of media literacy where people just just take the complete wrong message from a movie, whether it's like watching Fight Club and being like, yeah, we should be starting Fight Clubs, right? And you're like, what are you talking about, dude?

Yeah, I think that it's, I think it's, that's, I think you're exactly right, Stewart. It's like that kind of media literacy where people don't always know how to, we should all become wolves of Wall Street. Yeah. And also at the kind of media, what literacy that is like when I'm saying the time travel thing where often movies are playing off of preexisting either tropes or whatever stories. And if you're not familiar with that stuff, then sometimes it can be hard for you to ingest it. But I think you're right that people often, they want to take movies as literally as possible. But Dan, what you're saying, and Stuart, what you're saying.

And it becomes a barrier for them in movies that are meant to be either read into or understood or thought about or are trying to get it a more powerful message because it's not just stating it outright, you know, but is making you ponder on it. But at the same time, treating it like it's just content that you're supposed to ingest and it's almost, it's like, almost the same as like news. Like you're ingesting these facts, you're ingesting these like plot points. Well, it's like how people will be like, I don't have to read that book.

I read like a summary of the plot of the book. And it's like, well, the experience of reading a book is not just to get that you know what happened in the story. Right. The experience is to experience it, to feel it, you know, to live it that way. Yeah. I mean, I know that this probably sounds inseparable, snappy on many of those. Let's hear it.

No, no, no, I'm just, I do. Like I already told us that you have an unpublished book of essays about pop culture. on many levels. Let's hear it. No, no, no, I'm just, I, I do, like, I do. You already told us that you have an unpublished book of essays about pop culture. So yeah, just tell us what we're gonna, what you're gonna say. Yeah. I wonder why the publishing world didn't, they didn't set the world ablaze another comedian with his humorous essays. Anyway, but still get in touch with me.

But I, no, I, we've been derailed so long that I can't remember what I was thinking. You were afraid of sounding snobby. Oh, yeah, yeah. I'm afraid of sounding snobby, but like, or old and crotchety, but like, I'm not usually one to ring my hands about the state of culture. I think that a lot of times that people like look at things with rose colored glasses nostalgia. Bono certainly. Yeah.

It's all you wear. It's all you wear. Sure, when he came in today, he was wearing a rose colored sunglasses too, yeah. Just like Bono, me and Bono, who cool dude? I have, my glasses are rose colored, but it means they're colored like Betty White. But I do feel like the way that the media diet has become so homogenized where it is like certain types of movies get made. They tend to hold your hand about what's going on, that the depth and breadth of the types of stories

that can be told do get squeezed not only in the marketplace, but in people's minds. I think that people get used to a certain kind of storytelling which leads them to believe that that's the only kind of storytelling and reject things that are outside of that storytelling as bad rather than as something that's trying something different. And I find that kind of distressing. I mean, maybe I'm just poisoned by being online too much and seeing too much of the idiots of the world.

But it's probably true. That's factually true. But you're right that there's a, I'm going to lay it on the feet of the corporations that have consolidated and control much of American media, that there's a lack of variety in the material that they create and put out for people. And as you'll, I think you're right that there becomes this feeling among a certain type of audience member,

there are rules that art has to follow in order to be good. And it's like those videos that made me so mad where they're like, every movie is the same movie. We looked at Star Wars, Indiana Jones, and the fugitive. And we can prove to you every movie is the same movie. And it's like, so that's those are your three points on the compass of film is just those like there's no movies that are not Star Wars or Indiana Jones, the fugitive or die hard or something

like that. Like, there's a, because it's a story. We're storing the same man have startling similarities. They're all the same movie. And I always make me mad. I'm like, yeah, you're right. Let's let's apply those theories to you. Right. Last year at Marion Bad is the same movie as this. And you know, Hiroshima, Montenores, same movie. It always makes me mad. I'm like, yeah, you're right. Let's let's apply those theories to you. Right. Last year at Marion bad is the same movie as this. And, you know,

you're a shimma monomer. It's the same movie. They're all the same story. You're right. You're right. You're right. You're right. You're right. You're right. You're right. You're right. You're right. You're right. You're right. You're right. You're right. You're right. You're right. You're right. You're right. You're right. You're right. You're right. You're right. You're right. You're right. You're right. You're right. You're right. You're right. You're right. You're right. You're right. You're right. You're right. You're right. You're right. You're right. You're right. You're right. You're right. You're right. You're right. You're right. You're right. You're right. You're right. You're right. You're

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Again, we've been steering away from doing as many current recommendations because of the strike. I'm gonna recommend something that is far from Hollywood because it was a 16 or probably super eight short, yeah, super eight short shot by a bunch of teens in 1989, it's called The Doctor Death. It was directed by Webster Colcord, who I was impressed by the Super 8 Short

and was gratified to see that he went on to be a special effects artist for a bunch of major motion pictures. So he had a career in the industry or has one, presumably still going, but in 1989, he made this super eight short with a bunch of his teenage friends and it's essentially kind of their take on a Mad Max post-apocalyptic world where the titular doctor death is writing around in a school bus

and there's like legit car chases in the super-rate movie that these kids made. It is a very kinetic movie. There's like a moment of claimation and there's a thanks to the Will Benton studios and I guess this kid worked there at some point. Anyway, it's just one of these things where there is, I don't know, I don't know if you're like me, I kind of great entertainment on a curve sometimes. And if it's done by like kids with access to like so few actual resources, the degree to which this hits the mark and is entertaining and so much more fun than you know, stuff done by quote, quote, professionals

makes me love it all the more knowing that like, just these kids fucking around but they're doing like a really good job doing it. And I think you can find this short on Vimeo, maybe not under the same name. I forget there's like another name you can sometimes find it under, but Webster Cole Cored is the director. So you should be able to take this up online. I'm going to recommend an older movie. I'm still going through my journey of watching Old Brian to Paul the movies. And I just watched on my flight back. I watched Blowout, what from 1981, I think, starring Mr. Jonathan Trovolta. That's right. Bolt himself. And it, yeah, it's about a sound engineer who gets in over his head when he's looking for

some sounds for his sound library. I mean, what's a new sound? That new sound he's been looking for. That sound is of car crashing. Now, and he gets involved in a kind of a murder mystery conspiracy. And it is that kind of like, it reminds me a little bit of, you know, it's got a little bit of that like, diploma, like, geolosk stuff from that era. And it also has a little bit of the like 70s thriller thing

where you have people like they get really into the guts of like practical occupations, whether it's something like thief or to live in Dianna L.A., where you're like watching a professional in a very specific career do his thing, which I found really cool. Plus, it's a very good Philadelphia movie, which is great. Dennis France is in it. So, you know, it's a D'Apalma movie. It also has like one of the, for, you know, some of the other ones I'd watched are like, are fun

and like kind of sleazy and also a little bit scary and also stylish. This one has dials down some of that a little bit, but it actually is a super emotional ending. I found the ending really like really sad and touching and also kind of ties everything together. So if you're looking for, if you're looking for something like that, I'd check out Track Down Blowout. Yeah, I think that's one of his best. I'm going to recommend two movies. That's right, two movies. It's Wildson's I've recommended two, but I recently saw two movies that, I don't know, kind of like an interesting double feature there. They're both kind of supernatural romances in a way. But one is very funny, and

the other one I found very moving and poignant. The funny one I'll start with, this is, you know, it's me. So it's got to be Czech. It's a Czech New Wave movie from 1970 that it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's used to be under a bunch of different titles. I saw it under the title, the murder of Mr. Devil, but it's also called killing the Devil. And this is the only movie directed by Esther Krombacova, who was one of the writers on the movie daisies and on the movie report on the party and the guests. So she was a major Czech New Wave person, but she only directed this one movie. And it is all about

there's only if there's really only two main characters in it. This woman who is desperate to land a husband has just has decided that this guy who is selfish and disgusting and only interested in eating things and what food she can make him. But she's got to land him as a husband. And he is also the devil or a devil. And every now and then we'll just show off supernatural powers to win arguments or things like that. But it's a very, I thought it was a really funny movie. It's very brightly colored.

It's got this weird kind of like 60s kind of, kind of colorful pop feel to it. But there would be scenes where like she catches him chewing on the legs of her table. She gets very mad because he's always constantly eating. And I thought it was really funny. It was a funny take on women and men. Similarly, here's a supernatural romance that is not a comedy. Instead, a movie about yearning, this is the movie Rouge.

From 1988, it's a Hong Kong movie starring Anita Mui and directed by Stanley Kwan, where this woman is a very high class prostitute in the 1930s, who has been in a suicide pact with her lover, a rich young man who his family won't allow them to get married. And now it's the 80s and she has come back as a ghost to find out why he never joined her in hell. And she meets up with this reporter and she has come back as a ghost to find out why he never joined her in hell. And she meets up with this reporter and the reporter's girlfriend who's also reporter and has them help her. And it sounds like it could be a set up for a horror movie or it could be set up for a

comedy but instead it's a set up for like a real like a movie about romance and about love and about kind of sensual yearning and things like that. And I found it really beautiful. So those are two movies that are both about love and fantasy aspects. One of them is kind of silly. And the other one might make you cry a little bit. And so the one that might make you cry a little bit is Rouge. And the one that's a little silly is killing Mr. Devil or the murderer of Mr. Devil or

I don't know how to accurately translate the title, but they're both good. Check them out, won't you? Check them out. Okay. Well, this has been an episode of The Flop Has. Yeah. A podcast that is on the Maximum Fun Network, go over to MaximumFun.org. Check out the other podcast. They have their, I listen to maximumfun.org. Check out the other podcasts they have there. I listen to several of those shows myself. They're full of good, funny shows, good informative shows.

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