The Flop House - FH Mini 52 - Oscars Roundup 2022

Episode Date: April 2, 2022

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Oh, hey, it's me Stuart Wellington of the Flav Florida. Woo, woo, that's right. I'm in Florida. That was a Florida man call. Yep. If you're wondering why my audio sounds terrible, it's because I'm recording in a hotel room with my laptop. Joining me as always are my co-host Dan McCoyn, Elliot Kaylen.

Let me hear it. Ooh, ooh from you. Ooh, ooh. That's me, Dan. Ooh, ooh, ooh. Perfect. I'm Elliot. I'd say I'm Dan. I was about to just repeat what I'm dancing. It's me Dan. Oh, I'm Elliott. I'm Dan as I just repeat what I'm dancing.

It's like guys. Now if you are, this is the first time you're tuning into the flop house, you should delete this episode and start with a different one. But if you are trying to customize, I mean, loosen her. I mean, honestly, basically every episode of this show plays better after you sort of equated with yourself with us, have like sort of a fondness, a sort of, just sort of you've been beaten down by personalities and tell you, yeah. That's a fair, every episode is better when you like us already, yeah.

You just given, yeah. You got to love us. Yeah, much like the dinosaurs baby, you got to love us, and we're also, we're quick to point out who's not the mama. You just got to give an interest to your body like the dinosaurs. So we are what they did. That's what they did. That's what they did.

You missed that episode. We are just hanging out. Now normally we have watched a bad movie and the episode is us reviewing that bad movie. And tonight because it's a mini brought to you by minis bar, we are not doing that at all. Instead, we are talking about what is the episode brought to us by minis bar. I'm curious about that. Well, well, one of the goddamn owners of minis bar is talking right now. That's me. Yes. We're well. I guess. And that way is bright. I guess. And that really keeps you alive. So what I was saying is instead of doing

that thing where we watch a bad movie and talk about it, we are talking about a TV program called the Oscars that was on on Sunday. And we're called the 94th Academy Awards. Thank you, the Oscars on Sunday. You know what's new? You did you, the Oscars from Sunday. You know what Stu, you did it. You did it, you took it.

You took it. You took it. You took it. You took it out of the interruptions and you made your way. Yeah, absolutely. Just where you had to go with your verbal machining. You had your verbal machining.

You had your verbal machining. You had your verbal machining. You had your verbal machining. You had your verbal machining. You had your verbal machining. You had your verbal machining. You had your verbal machining. You had your verbal machining.

You had your verbal machining. You had your verbal machining. You had your verbal machining. You had your verbal machining. You had your verbal machining. I'm going to pull back the curtain like we're going backstage on the Oscars and what had happened was we sat down and Dan Elliott are like, so how do you want to do this? And I said, fuck it, I'm just going to do it and Ryan right into the room and start it. Yeah, yeah. Hold it real tight. Leave right here and just just ran right in. Uh, who? Yeah.

Oh boy. Well, you've got to. I was just like the idea that I would be less familiar with Leroy Jenkins than my two super cool gaming buddies. Yeah, that sounds like stews got to catch up on is 17 year old memes. So the 94 the Academy Awards, a lot of so for those who are not familiar with the Oscars, every year awards are given out for the best in movies and often the best in movies don't get those awards.

And it's just, it's, and this was mostly, mostly no, no difference. But also, there's the other drama going on. And in some ways, the more interesting drama, which is the story of a bunch of Oscar producers living under the delusion that there is a way to get people to watch the Oscars on TV and desperately chasing after it, not never realizing this is in illusion because the days when the Oscars were must see TV copyright NBC are long past because there is no longer separation between movies and television. And we don't find our stars magical in any way. And the best they can do is shock us momentarily with their Oatre behavior.

I've been thinking about this a lot lately, which is just like, I guess the, I mean, in a bigger way, it's the roots of conservatism. But maybe that's a bit too much of a macro view. It is just a thing in human nature to believe that the way things were when you were growing up is some sort of normalcy and everything else is the operation. And so I do think that people still trying to make the Oscars happen as they used to are like clinging to like, but this is the Oscars. This is a thing.

It has always been where it's like when Hollywood's brightest stars come out to shine in our very own homes. Yeah. And they don't seem to realize that like we can see those stars whenever we want. It's no longer the excitement of, I'm watching Elizabeth Taylor, on my television set is no longer there. I mean, this is coming from me too,

one of the few people who continues to enjoy watching the Oscars. Like, I am one of the dwindling audience for this thing, but even I am like. That's what says on your business cards, is Dan McCoy, dwindling audience for this thing, but even I am like that says on your on your business cards is Dan McCoy dwindling audience Well, I wish I was dwindling. I mean my I'm not middle-aged guys. I keep increasing Keep increasing No, but oh man. No, I you know what I'm saying though. I even ask someone who loves it I would prefer that they find a way to, you know, keep it alive. Rather than killing

it by having bigger expectations of it than our rational. Step one, get more Tony Hawk involved. Yeah. Yeah. I think I think I think seeing him in the line to Mator. At this point, I think that the Academy Awards from a viewership perspective will be best served if it was a streaming event on the Oscars website. And fans could watch it. And there wasn't this sense of like, hey, we've got to appeal to this imaginary audience that is not interested in watching live-alman get a lifetime achievement award, but does want to see Tony Hawk.

Because that's what was interested in Academy Awards't, we don't have time to show, we don't have time to show who won for like, makeup and costumes or whatever. We need to make room for the dancers who will celebrate all the dead people that we're not going to see clearly on screen because we're watching the dancers. Wild. That was, that was wild. Like, the fact that I had to like try and dodge my head between dancers so that I could see that Norm McDonald got snubbed.

Well, and also that it was like, it felt very strange to me for it to end on Betty White who is, you know, undeniably a beloved American fixture, but like not someone I think of as a movie star, you know? Yeah. That is interesting because I was I was about to make an argument of like as much as I think Norm MacDonald was a tremendously funny comedian and you know had at least one pretty funny movie. He's not primarily known as a movie star. No, that's true.

Like I for all these things things, they snubbed this or that person of the Oscars. Like, oftentimes, it's just like, yeah, they were famous, but they weren't necessarily known for movies. Well, that's a thing. Ever since they snubbed Angus Grim, I have realized that it's all bullshit

that we live in. We're not chaos and nothing matters. I mean, they should have had him for sure. But like that, like this was a year when I mean, they, they, they rightly gave Sidney Pate his due, you know, as one of the great, you know, figures in screen history. But like, I know nobody remembers who he is, but like John Paul Belmando shows up in the middle. One of the big stars, the French New Wave, he was an international icon at the time when

like our grandparents were young adults watching movies. And it's like, oh, I guess he just, it's a picture for a moment, huh? Like this is a guy who was the, the personification of French film for the time when French film mattered in the United States, you know. But on the other hand, we got a full performance

of we don't talk about Bruno, a song that was not nominated. Well, that's the thing, we have to that. We've got to talk about Bruno, a song that was not nominated. Well, that's the thing we have to. We've got to talk about what everyone's talking about. The, uh, the slap in the face, which is the huge slap in the face too. Lin-Man, well, Miranda, once again, getting shut out of the Oscars. He does not win Oscars. Yeah.

I had that. And incredibly talented, but it's like they keep dangling and he got in front of him and then pull it away at the last minute. Yep. Yeah. I'll have to admit. So, uh, when I didn't know the nominees for Best Original Song ahead of time and then no time to die one and I was like, yeah, that was the best part of that movie was that song.

You did, you did deserve to win. Oh, I can't, I can't hold it like that movie. Yeah, well, I thought it was an okay movie, but I thought the song was, was, it's a great song. It's a great song. It's certainly a strong bond song. Like we're like, I think, yes. I think that for years people have been seeking

for a way to have that classic bond sound while still feeling somewhat contemporary and only a few times has it been successful. Sort of. Yeah, it takes Billy Eilish and her brother to pull it off. Since we're talking about original songs, can I talk about how fucking weird it was that they chose when Daniel Colloui walked out to present, they played Africa by Toto, and then in Starrini, Beatrice walked out, they played Lai's La Bonita, both of which fell fucking gross. Well, I think we have the thing, the Oscars is like ground zero for Hollywood being still a white male power structure, but trying desperately to look like it is not. And so it's like, yeah, yeah, we're all about diversity here.

What's a good song for them to come out? Yeah, yeah, Africa, if I told you, why would that be problematic? I don't understand. We're like, I thought it was very weird that they were like, they were like, okay, here's a salute to, you know, 50 years of the Godfather. It's like, okay, that makes sense.

Here's a salute to another thing. All right, I guess so. Here's a salute to 28 years of public fiction. And it's like, well, you just had the style of public fiction available. Like, 28 is a weird anniversary. Yeah. It reminds me of the year a couple of years ago when they were like, and now, a tribute to Chicago's

10th anniversary of winning best picture. I hope I hope you you can celebrate my 44th anniversary of life this. Everyone's doing me. Yeah, I mean, I think that also like that music thing is I mean, I think that also like that music thing is, yeah, Hollywood is known definitely for nothing if not on the nose needle drops. And what can we do for Hollywood? We can only do that. We can only do that. We can only do that.

We can only do that. We can only do that. I feel like there's just like, get the guy and who does it for all the trailers. Like, who? Dana, you're talking about, who does I feel good in there? Whatever.

What? I said, are you talking about Cruella again? I like this title drops. I like the idle drops. One of the few I feel like he'll stand up for a crew, Ella. Well, I mean, you mean, I mean, why can't I mean, we're Dan. All right. Now, what do you, you never know? I hate it now. Yeah. And so, so I've been, I've been reading, I just finished reading that the new making of Mad Max Fury Road book, which Dan got me for my birthday. It's great.

And the section, the chapter where they're talking about the award season, the first off, the Academy Awards that you were hosted by Chris Rock. And the first award, the Fury Road one that night was for costumes. And it was, man, I can't remember her name. Is it like Jenny Beavons, something like that? Jenny and costumes. It's somewhere in between those two things. And she's somewhere in between a real name and a fake joke name.

Yeah, and she's great. Like, she's a distinct person and it was great to see, I don't know. It was just a weird tie in between those joke name. Yeah, and she's great. Like, she's a distinct person, and it was great to see, I don't know. It was just a weird tie in between those two things. Well, also, like, it became clearer seeing her win again that, you know, the way that she dresses to the movie that she is nominated for, because the first time around, she had a mad Maxi thing on, but I have. She had one arm.

She had replaced one of her arms with a robot arm. No, but no, it's a very mad Max kind of like Oscars outfit, but honestly, like I think that I apologize for this are my least vision of Australia has been shaped so much by Mad Max movies that it like almost didn't register. I'm like, yeah, yeah, sure. She's from Australia. She's wearing a post-apocalyptic country. Now, see what she wears for it. It's considered formal wear. Cruella. And I'm like, oh, okay, I see the bit. I'm like, you've created the pattern now. I see what's going on. Dan, when you said a very, very mad Max,

it made me think of him. We called it some mad, mad, mad, mad Max. I know I want to see a fury road poster in the Jack Davis style with all the characters chasing Max and Furious. And they're all going to get you. I mean, if that hasn't already been done, it would be, it's a great idea. And I feel like it's got to do it, please.

Tom Fowler should get on that. Yeah, actually Tom Fowler should get on that. It hasn't already been done. It would be, it's a great idea. And I feel like. Something's got to do it, please. Tom Fowler should get on that. Yeah. Actually, Tom Fowler should get on that. Tom Fowler, why haven't you done a Jack Davis poster for, it's a mad, mad, mad, mad, match. Tom Fowler, head us up. Yeah.

Tom Fowler, do it already. You need to. There is a, I think it's, so it was interesting. Dune was very much the fury road of this year where it was like, we're, you're going to win all the technical awards and you're not going to win I think Feary Road is a better movie than Doom. Feary Road is a movie that lives. Yes. Every time I watch it, I'm like,

I just experience something I can't fully describe in words. And Doom is a really fun movie. Yeah, Feary Road is like, like I'm experiencing something I've never experienced before. And Doom, to me, felt like this is a perfect encapsulation of something that I've seen a million times before. Yeah, there's a certain aspect of it where it's like what if Star Wars never left tattooing

it was exciting to see licorice beats and not win anything since the more I the farther I get from that movie the less I like. That's one of my top ones of the year. Well, we can agree to disagree because we're friends and we're just different people that I can agree on different things. That's true. I mean, I was obviously disappointed that that worst person in the world did not win either of the awards. It was nominated for it since that was my favorite movie the year. And it should have gotten extra awards. They should have invented new awards for it, but that's okay. And I'm glad that the that the palm to or winner won best picture, right? Yeah, that's right.

Palm to or winner Kota. There's something, this is something that made me matter and matter after the Oscars when I was doing the dishes, because out here in LA, the Oscars are over pretty early, that I was like, I was like, I time's a, yeah, deal with it. I didn't, I wasn't tired. I wasn't even going to bed yet. It was only like, eight o'clock, that was nine o'clock.

But, and you have a 10 o'clock bedtime because you're a big boy. Yeah, I get to stay at the late. Sometimes I have a drink of water before I go to bed. Oh, man, that's because your parents trust you. Well, it's because they trained me using snake mountain to

get in that pillow bed. That's right. People who watch her may have the University of Illinois, I'm talking about that. So Coda one and I was like, huh, okay. I guess it did win the movie that I could not leave my house without seeing a dozen for your consideration advertisements everywhere for it was advertised.

LA was blanketed with vote for Coda ads. But and I end up, but then I'm watching. But then I was like, okay, so one, I guess it's like a feel good movie, people need to feel good. And as the night went on and I did those dishes, glasses and plates were cracking under my grip as it got more and more angry as I thought about the incredible lack of ambition

of that movie and how they're like, oh yeah, best picture of the year. We're gonna give it to this movie that is not trying to do anything new or different or original and is the kind of thing that you could watch, probably on the homerich channel and you wouldn't ever change anything, you know. Which is not to say it's bad.

It's a rather well crafted feel. I think you need to clarify that. It's not doing anything new or original stylistically or narratively. Like in terms of like, yeah, as opposed to all the other things that happen in movies aside from narrative and stuff. anything new or original stylistically or narratively. Like in terms of like, yeah, as opposed to all the other things that happen in movies aside from narrative and stuff.

No, I mean, like there are like, I think there is a genuine like, this is the first deaf actor to win an award for this kind of performance. Like there is an issue of like, Do you know how Mattlin not win for best actors? No, no, no, deaf actor. She did.

I am the, the Oscars, uh, separate actor and actress into separate categories. Yeah, but I don't. Yeah, thank you, Ellie. I'm just pointing out that, uh, that's what I was, that's why I was saying it that way. Um, no, I'm just saying in terms of, and I thought, and I thought he was really good. I love the, I thought the performances were all good in it. It's not a bad movie. It's a nice, sweet little regular role movie

that opens the beginning and they're like, we're having trouble with our fishing boat. And I want to sing by the end of that movie, you know, they're going to stop having trouble with that fishing boat and she's going to sing. I mean, in a year when Benadetta, a movie that is a better than Coda, did not even crack my top 10. I mean, I find, I you knew that Benadetta was not gonna be, was not gonna be in the Oscars

if only for the, you don't know what I know, Elliot. That's good. That's a good point. That's a good point. Yeah, don't, don't take his naive a tail away from him. It's one of his, I mean, I mean, I was on my fucking eyes, buddy. And I was not, and I certainly would have been more mad if like, again, like I said, like her speech. If I can don't look out, if don't look up one, I will just, I have you.

I still haven't seen, don't look up yet. We were saying things that we liked about the Oscars before and I really enjoyed how me name He's super god about don't look up. What was she saying? I mean, I will butcher any attempt at recreating the joke, but it was just pointing out that what was that Chris Rock you said you wanted to you said there's a Chris Drop Rock who joke you really wanted to repeat. Yeah, I'll tell you first of all, yeah. Anyway, we should take a break to do ads, because that's the thing that we do on the show is we have sponsors. I'd like for you to see.

I do want to say, it is another, this is a very quick thing, that it is another symptom of the like, how do we get people who don't like movies to watch the Oscars, I just, that it did seem like the hosts were doing a lot of like, shitting on the movies. And it's like, if I'm watching this, it's because I like movies.

Like I want to celebrate. Yeah, no, I agree with that in general, just specifically. I was happy about it. Don't look up. Okay, so let's sponsor it up. Our first sponsors, don't look up. No, so let's sponsor it up. Yep, our first sponsor's don't look up! No.

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uh, do's and don'ts, Dan. Um, I, you know, I, the only thing I can remember now, and it was only because a friend was impressed. I used the term pencil skirt to describe it was Umat Thurman's, uh, playing white blouse and, uh, and black skirt, but you look great. Oh, you know who look great? You got Kristen Stewart had the had the crazy shorts shorts, crazy shorts, nice games. I don't know. I don't want that. That's like creepy. I feel like it was creepy that I intended. Just looked nice. It's a little creepy, I think. Yeah. Yeah. It's kind of expected. It's fine. Yeah. What do you guys creepy? Okay fine. Yeah, what do you guys think?

What do you guys think? Creepy. Okay. Cool. And what do you guys think about the, the, this is off the topic of fashion, but what do you guys think about the, the biggest upset of the night? I think this took everyone by surprise. The winner of the Oscars fan favorite content. Yeah. Spider-Man, no way home coming in at fourth place and at first place, that hit film, Army of the dead.

That was so crazy, man. Well, do you think, do you think, do you think Zack Snyder ever gets worried that his fans might be to intense? I think he might, I think he might be if only because also in the Oscar's cheer moment, first place went to Zack Snyder's Justice League. Yeah. The best thing about it is when when when the moment, I feel like you did the service by not specifying the moment. The moment, the flash enters the speed

force. Right. It is the moment of the flash enters this movie. It's what it is. This is a part of the show. I think I must have missed. I just saw it on the Wikipedia entry here, but it was number one flash enters the speed force. Number two, three spider men, and spider men away home. Number three, Avengers assembled to fight Thanos, Avengers Endgame. Now again, these are not like, these are not really the most momentous moments of film history,

but they're recent things. Number four, the song and I'm telling you I'm not going from Dreamgirls. Number five, Neo, but dodging a bullet in the Matrix. And I was like, who made the nominees for this? What I don't understand.

And what I love is the after seeing the number one cheer moment in the history of motion pictures. Yeah, we are greeted with a completely silent audience. Oh, maybe the theater. I was going to say Stuart. I mean, it's lucky that Elliott wasn't watching because, of course, there was the deafening cheer that rocked America Well, that's the last thing I heard I heard this I heard this cheer go up and and my windows started shaking

And I said is this the big quake that we've been waiting for the one that we've been over due for a hundred years Oh, no, this is that I better go rush to my children's room and wake them up so I can hug them one last time before the roof collapses in on us. And then the window stopped and I said, oh wait, that was just a cheer for the flash entering speed force. What I love about this being the number one stand-up and cheer moment. In all the film, forever.

Well, I mean, if you think of a better one, I mean, I want it makes you cheer harder than that. I can't, you're right, I can't, it's impossible. My love of it is that it's this very specific phrase in entering the speed force that like I was having seen the movie, I would never have been able to pull that phrase out of my brain. You know what, I don't even remember exactly which time it is

that this flash enters the speed force of all the times that he moves real fast and things go slow Around him. Yeah, is it when he goes back in time? Is that the one? And this is like the best part about it is that the flash goes back in time And the thing is it happened. I believe that only happens in the Snyder cut So the cheer is happening at people's homes not a movie It never but I know world ricotta wins best picture. A movie can be, I mean, I'm the last person to say that a movie has to be seen in a movie theater. Although it does

feel like it is weird to cheer at home by yourself watching that, you know. Yeah. Is this something, is speed force like a thing from the comics? Yeah, it is. That's what makes the flash run fast. Is he can't other speedsters can tap into the speed force. And there's a great moment in the, in the JLA Avengers comic where the flash ends up on the Avengers Earth, the Marvel universe, and he cannot run fast because the Marvel universe does not have his right force. Well, I just want to be shit. It's just funny, maybe because as someone who never read flash comics, and he was never entered the speed force.

Never read flash comics. What if I let's see what if I entered I entered the dragon watch. I didn't take very dangerous. But I entered the void once. Do not recommend. No, no, no, no, very disorienting. No, no, no, no, but I've seen these movies and I like saw like a few at least.

One of the sand man. One of the sand man. But I've seen some of the show. My point is just that this phrase sounds like something that was in like an instruction booklet for. Like, you know, I'm at the speed for speed. It's, it's something you need to do to complete an algebra problem. Now you would enter the speed force for why? It looks like when you get the trading card set from Zack Snyder's, uh, Justice League,

you flip the card over and that's what it says is, flashiners to speed for. Yeah, and it's a picture of him with glowy stuff all over. Yeah. Yeah, that's a so anyway, that's the number one cheer moment in the history of filmmaking. The fact that fucking Gizmo showing up and shooting the fucking spider, Gremlin wasn't the number one. That's crazy. I mean, that's pretty great. He looks like fucking Rambo, dude. And that's pretty great. He looks like fucking Rambo, dude. The Gremlin blowing up in the microwave in the first Gremlin or Gizmo showing up in that little Barbie car in the first movie.

Number one and number two. First and second, both be Gizmo moments. Yeah. It's not three. Yeah. I mean, you see him and he looks so badass. Like, of course, it's the number one. It does.

He looks like he looks like Rambo. His aim is impeccable. And that spider-gremlins just on fire. Like he lights him on fire. And you know what that means? You see that spider-gremlins, you're like, that thing's unstoppable. It's like squirting out webs all over creation.

It already trapped Carla in this web. Now it's got you, too. Although it's fair, Carla doesn't seem to be trying to get at that art. She's just sort of one way. Well, well, well, now you're blaming the victim, Dan.

You're blaming the victim. I don't. Is she the greatest person in the world? Sure. She tried to seduce Billy, but that's I love to do with the car.

In that movie, I'm like, yeah, yeah, take me to a Canadian restaurant, baby. Yeah. I mean, I mean, I'm already going to that Canadian restaurant on a day with the lady. Yeah, yeah. That's that. Well, you would get well, you will rubber Piccardo is has something to say about that. That's true.

He's cooler than me. I think the fan. I've seen him in interspace. He looks incredible. The fact that the Oscar fan favorite and the Oscars cheer moment of all time were both from Zack Snyder films does nothing to make me doubt the efficacy of these of these poll related content. Yeah, it's so funny.

I, yeah, I was saying some articles. I was saying like more of these. How did the Oscars not realize that like having like Twitter polls is just going to mobilize the strangest corners of the internet? I think I think they, I think they've were like, we don't care. If it gets these people to watch our show, so that we can, so that we can, you know,

juke the stats and make it seem like more people are interested in this, they're like, look, as long as we do not have to put Elaine May on television giving a speech for her very deserved honorary Academy Award, then we'll be fine. What, what nonsense can we put on TV so that we don't have to put Elaine May and Liv Olman on American television screens?

I think they should have taken it one step further and let these Twitter polls like vote for presenters. So we finally could have had Gabriel from Malignant, presented percent award. You know, this year they didn't have an animated character alongside a live action character. Yeah, that's too. You know that at some point, something suggested having Bruno on there predicting what winners there would be and getting, you know, and everyone goes, Bruno, Bruno, you can't say that or something like that, you know, but I assume they, they nixed that because, um, wait, I don't know. I don't know much about in canto because I was too busy watching Mitchell's versus the machines. Did I? You backed the wrong horse, my friend. I mean, in terms of enjoyment, I

think he backs the correct horse. I think it I think that it's no, at least at least this means the Mitchell's versus the machines will stop filling my Twitter feed with promoted ads telling me how much Guillermo del Toro liked the Mitchell's versus the machine. I mean, it's a good movie. You should watch it, dude. I will watch it some foot, but I'm one of those guys who like the more you advertise a movie to me, the less likely I am to go watch it. Yeah. The more tired I get to it. That's why I try not to watch the trailers for movies I want to see because it's like this is going to make me.

That's why Elliott never met Dave, even though he was told repeatedly. Yeah. You know, you got to be the thing is I already saw Dave and I'm seeing these ads for meat Dave and I'm like, I met Dave. I saw Dave. What's so sad is what's so sad is you're never going to meet Michael Morbius. I mean, they keep pushing that movie's release date. It's possible none of us will ever meet Michael Mourbees.

It's such a fantastic. I mean, it's a thing for the best. He'll look, I really get the feeling he'd psych my blood. No, but he'd try not to. He'd try to fight it as best as he can. I mean, the problem is if you met Jared Leto, he'd also try to suck you like, regardless of being a big part.

For, you know, research for a part. Weirdly though, the part is not a vampire. No, he's for a Dallas, Dallas buyers club too. Now guys, were there any movies that you hadn't seen and you saw them win Oscars again, I'm going to say you're like, Oh, I'm interested in that now. Now I want to see it. Um, I will say that I finally watched Coda because it was dominated for an award and I, and I enjoyed seeing Coda again. I, I understand I would like to see something a little more

cinematically daring stylistically. I mean, Coda again, like not even even like, I mean, Kota is not a bad movie. And that's why I kind of feel bad about getting frustrated because it's not a bad movie. I like you quite a bit. No, I like you quite a bit. So this is the spoiler for our next regular episode. The movie I'm going to probably going to recommend. I watched this movie called, I was a simple man that's a movie about this old man and

Hawaii is dying and he's kind of reliving his life in out of order and his family is kind of experiencing memories as they go through it. And it gets very surreal at sometimes in the end and not at other times. And it is just so beautifully gorgeous and it also is a movie that does not look like it had a big budget. Like, but it looks like a movie and it feels like a movie. When I was watching Cotto, I was like, this movie doesn't look or feel like a movie.

Like, it's just kind of, there's nothing, there's nothing beautiful about it. And I don't mean that it has to have like sweeping landscapes or whatever. Like, you can have a beauty in the way that I feel like, you know, a movie like a, like a, Chan is missing or something. Like a very independent movie can also be a beautiful movie just because it looks like a movie you know, but this but with koto is just kind of like yeah we're telling you the story here you go there's this thing let's move on to the next part okay this thing yeah, and it just felt like the movie was a little deeper for to be named best picture but as a movie as it is gets fine but when when people are now going to be forever people will be like yeah, yeah, well, that was the best picture of 2021, 2022, just scientific fact, you know. I, I hope that this, uh, then it winning will finally push me to, uh, get around to watching Summer of Soul. Summer Soul is really good.

Yeah. Summer of Soul like it. I just, it's always hard for me to get around to watching documentaries. And Summer of Soul is one that like, that's another one where like stylistically, it's not really doing anything out of the ordinary, but the story it's telling is so, it's telling is so interesting and the footage is just so amazing and it looks so great. Like that it's, it feels like you're experiencing that concert, you know, in person while you're watching it.

So, so it's really good. It's worth it just for the music alone. Although someone once said they were like, oh, if you're watching it. So, so it's really good. It's worth it just for the music alone. Although someone once said they were like, oh, if you want to win a documentary Academy word, it should either be about the Holocaust or about music performers. And that seems to be the way it works a lot of the time. But that being said, it is really good.

I haven't said anything for aways. And that's just because I've been looking through the, the movies that were nominated trying to answer your question. And like other than, like I said, I, you know, I watched Coda because it suddenly became the front runner. And I watched, well, you also thought it was about Kathy Lee and Coda. Yeah. And I watched them. And you love them. I watched Don't Look Up out of morbid curiosity once it started being taken seriously and I shouldn't have done that. Should I still haven't watched it yet?

Should I watch it or should I not watch it? Only if for some reason we decide to do it for the show. Okay. For Oscar nominees edition. Yep. Uh, yeah. And what was, was Teton-ton nominated for best picture no t-ton was nominated for anything so so

so the movie was this past year that that you really like that you wish a banana and obviously pig i know you were you were disappointed for anything uh... pig uh... uh... green night was a lot of her anything not even fucking production design like what's wrong with you green night yeah my top of the year so i yeah night wasn't only for anything, not even fucking production design. Like what the fuck's wrong with you? Yeah, my top of the year. So I yeah, I still haven't seen green night. I got this. That in last duel, I still need to say I haven't seen any of the night movies from last year. I am, uh, let's see.

Oh, like last duel. Like I would love last duel to get nom. I think it's great. And I'm surprised that you didn't get a best actor, nom for what's his name in red rocket with the big ding dong. Simon Rex. He's great. He's right. Simon Rex is great in that movie.

He plays a fucking terrible piece of shit, but he is compelling enough that you want to watch the whole movie with. I mean, it's like uncut gems. I mean, Denzel Washington nominated for playing a piece of shit in Lord of my bad in a tragedy of MacArthur. MacArthur is not a good dude. I was I was disappointed he didn't win that that award because the way he delivers the

tomorrow and tomorrow and tomorrow's speech, I thought was so great because I'd never seen it done that way before. Every other way I've seen an actor do that, they're genuinely grieving for the death of Lady McBeth. And in this version, he's so far gone that he's just so irritated that she's dying at this moment. And he's like, yeah, I'll deal with it another. Oh, carries. She dies. Everybody dies. I'll deal with it later. Like the way he just tosses it off, I thought was amazing. But, uh, but that Macbeth, not a good dude, thumbs down. Let's cancel Macbeth.

Yeah, the nines are out for him. I'm looking over this last year. Uh, I agree on the green night. I liked the nighthouse quite a bit. It's not the sort of thing that ever really gets nominations. Although we're big for nights, big for night related things. But just on a personal level, I liked that one a lot. That's sorry. I don't have that. I mean, it was gratifying that deer of Enhancin

wasn't nominated for anything, right? So thank God. It's still kind of stings that being the Ricardo's got now. Notations. That's one of those ones where it was, I mean, if I'm if Coda is unambitious, I feel like being the Ricardo's

is even less ambitious. Like Coda felt like a TV movie, being the Ricardo's felt like a TV show that was like pumped up to a big, and as much as I love Jay K. And he's like a network TV show. Yeah, as much as I love Jay K. Simmons, that when I found out he was not

in the best sporting actor, I was like, really for that? I mean, like I love Jay K. Simmons, but he doesn't really have much to do in it, and he's just kind of doing the same thing. Yeah, well, I would argue that if, being the Ricardo's is an advertisement for like how maybe like you're undervaluing Coda a little bit because like Coda took a very sort of a standard script structure and I got frustrated with some of the things in the second act that

felt like the plot kicking into year. But at every turn, I felt like, oh, that was just a slightly better, smarter, more sensitive choice than I was expecting. Whereas being the Ricardo's at every point was like, let's make the most obvious false choice. The least realistic version of the story. Like, Coda is not cinematically ambitious, but it's almost like being the Ricardo's is ambitious in the opposite direction,

where they're like, uh, Desi Arnez is calling up everyone in Congress to get to J. Grouvert, a clear Lucy's name. We don't need to see any of that. Let's just have a mention that he did it. And how can we have a climactic ending? Should he give a big speech, a big dramatic rousing speech? No, we'll have somebody else say something over a telephone.

Like it's like, it is like Brechtian in the way it is, it is deliberately avoiding the things that a drama is supposed to deliver, like excitement and suspense and emotions, you know. Hey, did y'all, so Koto, Koto won best adapted screenplay against, against what I would describe as stiff competition. Yeah. Did you guys see Belfast? No, I haven't seen it yet. I really want to see it. I haven't seen it. Yeah, I didn't see it either. You know, it. I didn't see it either. John, who listeners know from the Gospels from doing a lot of our animations for the live show saw it with his partner and they both like to put. Yeah. I mean, the Academy liked it enough to give it best original screenplay.

Again, it felt like in both categories, it felt like safer choices, although I have not seen Belfast, so I can't really comment on it. You would have much rather don't look up one for best original screenplay, you're saying. It was nominated, you're right. And you would have preferred liquor speeds, it'd be nothing. No, thank you. That's, I mean, if that, here's, here's, look, I was surprised liquor speeds was nominated for any, it was, it wasn't nominated for any acting awards, right? Like, that was the strength of that movie. That and the look of the movie were the strength. And it wasn't nominated for those things.

It was nominated for a script, which I, which was a kind of rambling shambling, things, because not many for a lot of which I, which was a kind of rambling, shambling, you know, thing that that built to the built to the message that grown women and teenagers should run off together. And it was not me for best picture. Yeah, yeah, dude, it's, it's, it's fucking fan of men. Or are you able to attack the cons? The, I mean, they don't get together until attack of the clones. Would, would a, and a lot of time would have been best actress, right?

Not supporting. She's the lead. She's the lead. Yeah. She, I would call her the lead. Yeah, although you never know. It's like how Frances McDormand won for best supporting actress for Fargo, but she's, even though she doesn't come in for like the first half hour, she's clearly the lead of that

movie also. Yeah. And that's how you make Chimacy have like the same amount of screen time. Sometimes they kick people down, you know, for strategic reasons when it comes to the thing. Yeah, because they think a lot of better chance. Yeah. Well, and best, and, and best actress was a kind of weird category because none of those

roles were from best picture nominated films. Yeah. I mean, it shows, it shows you this was a weird year in that like, there was nothing, even in the nominations, there was nothing that was kind of like sweeping the big awards. And when you look at it, like, Dune won the most awards, and most of those are technical. And like, the Coda won the second most,

and then the eyes of Tammy Faye won the third most with two awards. And then you have all these movies that won one award. And that's it. This was a year, I I think where Hollywood was, I mean, as it should be, every the past couple years or have been a years where the world has been struggling.

This was the past couple years when Hollywood was struggling. And here's my overall thesis on that. You guys wanna hear it? Sure, drop it on. You guys wanna hear it? You guys wanna hear it? You were a little out, let's hook and hear it.

I wrote it out in my brain. The fact that the kinds of movies that the Oscars are kind of made for, there's two kinds of movies. There's big spectacle experiences that you can only get at the movies. And then there are the kinds of like probing or even just like standard dramas where people are acting out big emotions. And Hollywood in terms of theatrical releases has more or less turned its back on that second type of movie. And to be honest, even the first type a little bit,

they give us a lot of big special effects spectacles that you can only do in the movies, but very rarely is it something like Fury Road, where you're like, oh, I just went through a thing I've never been through before. Like, there was an intensity of that that I can't get anywhere else. And like I saw a vision of a strange world,

where a new type of character or something like that. And so a lot of the kinds of movies that traditionally get nominated for Academy Awards are just not being made as much. They're either legacy products from people like Steven Spielberg or Gamble Dirtorial that can get things made if they push hard enough, or it's stuff through that,

like the kinds of movies that used to be made through, and put through the theaters, you're kind of like, you're on golden ponds and you're moon struck and things like that. Like they either get made for streamers, or not at all, or independently, and they don't get noticed by many people. And so the ostrich is kind of like,

it's kind of, I think, it feels like they're kind of scrambling to figure out what to nominate. Well, I mean, that's the thing, that's why it feels like a weird year for you, I think, in many ways, whereas like, Koda is the sort of movie that used to get made in the Hollywood more and nominated for in Oscar's. I mean, I would say it's a kind of movie that I would say it's a kind of movie that used to get made and non-nominated for Oscars because there were so many. Right, right, right. He's on it for like an acting award or something.

But now it's made, you know, like, you know, it had, it's a big movie for what it is, but it was like, you know, only big because Sundance, like there's a huge bidding thing over it because it was such a crowd pleaser. And then it still ends up on streaming. So of course it feels small because these type of movies do end up on streaming. So I feel like you're gonna get even more complaints of the kind you're talking about, Elliot,

where you're just like, why is this nominated movie look so much like? Well, I don't know. I mean, the TV has gotten so much more ambitious. Like your average episode of the fight, yellow jackets, looks more like a movie to me than Coda does. I know. I'm just saying, like, there's just not the same rewards given for like putting style into it. Like I think that streaming has flattened a lot of

style out and so now if things aren't going to go to like the movie theaters like they end up looking a certain way and I don't think it's like I hear what you're saying about shows but I think that in a weird way that is like often more of a show thing now than it is like for like these movies that end up kind of going straight to streaming. I don't know, maybe crazy. Maybe, I think, I don't know. I think it's less that streaming has squeezed out style and more that like the, well, maybe it is maybe if you're making a movie on that now because it's not like, it's not like

Coda was made for streaming. Like it's an independent film made as an indie film and then Apple bought it. But there's definitely a, I feel like you used to have a, you used to have more of that kind of movie where they were not huge budget productions, but they were kind of, you know, those mid-level productions where you would get, you know, that certain movie ambition because people are still gonna go to a movie theater and pay money to see it. And maybe you're right that it's on streaming,

there's a little bit less of that because you don't have to convince people to get out of their houses. But I think about movies, like Coda has so much in common with like breaking away and goodwill hunting and like a lot of those types of movies, but each of those feel like movies, you know? And I guess part of me is trying to put my finger on that indefinable thing that

why do those feel like movies to me and why does code not feel as much like a movie to me? Because now you're a crazy old guy. That's probably part of it. I mean, Christopher Nolan would say because it's not shot on 35 millimeter film, but you know, we're 70 millimeter film, but I would disagree with that, you know, I don't know. Well,. Well, I guess what we're saying is best Oscars ever. Yeah, best ever. You know, that was kind of philosophical and I'll tell you something. It's getting late here. Stuart's in a hotel room somewhere and I don't think that there's

anything. We know where he is. Yeah, but that's my game or some way. Stuart's just off somewhere in that strange land we call America. Yeah. And I don't think around like a Jack Reacher just the clothes on his back and the blood on his hands. And I can't think of anything else that we need to talk about for the Oscars. So I think I'll say what the one last thing I'll say is we've had fun talking about the Oscars, but I want to remind everybody. Oscars also don't matter at all.

Yeah, they don't matter at all. It's just an excuse to talk about movies. Thanks. It's just an excuse to. Thanks, LA for that PSA case our listeners were about to go out and start experimenting with the Oscars. Hey, hey, this is this eight. You want to try it?

So you hear Oscars are cool. Your friend tells you you should try an Oscar. It's a good idea to rate art as if it's a competition that has an easy metric. Well, let me ask you this. Hot shot. Do you like drugs too? Because it's also bad. That's the more you know. The more you know. L.A., we need to talk to you about this, the more you know you've scripted. Yeah. Yeah. Let's talk about I was happy with the last one. What do you think? It walks the circuitous route to maybe a questionable lesson.

Well, I'm saying that people, you know, should be wary of the Oscars and also drugs are probably bad too. The more you know, right? Yeah, it feels like you're trying to combine two separate. You know what? We'll have this talk later. Look, you told me, you told me, when you made me head of the, the more you know department, you said we're going to have to do more with less.

And I'm trying my best, man. I'm trying my best man, I'm trying my best. Well, we're all trying our best, including me to end this episode. So. Well, I was stuck to fucking landing on that shit for the. I think it was, I think it was the moment when Dan, the listeners come see this when he dramatically threw his scarf back around his neck that gave him the power to do. Yeah.

For like an evening. Yeah. Yeah. We got regular pork or roast. A red pig for the flop house. I've been Dan McCoy. Hey, I've been Stuart Wellington. And the winner of the other guy in the flat-house is... Elliott Kaelin!

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