The Flop House - FH Mini 94 - Outside the Actors Studio - Val Kilmer

Episode Date: December 9, 2023

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Hey, hello, welcome to a flop house mini. This is a mini episode of the flop house podcast. A podcast where we normally watch a bad movie and then talk about it. On today's mini, we are stepping outside the actor studio. That's right. I'm your host Stewart studio Wellington. I mean, I mean, I've got the actor studios where I am 100% of the time. I never inside it. It's true. Exactly. Because we are, we are the host of the Flop-O Spotcast. I'm Stewart Studio Wellington joining me. I'm Dan actors McCoy. I thought he was going to say Dan, Dan's floor McCoy. And I'll say Elliott, Dan's floor, McCoy, and I'll say Elliott electric light scale in. Perfect. And we are three non-professional actors. Don't check my IMDB page. And we are going to be

talking about the movies of an actor that we find interesting. That's what we do here in outside the actor's studio. We are going to focus on a single actor whose work we find interesting. We're going to talk about some of their bigger works and some of their smaller works and then do a wrap up. And I was waiting for the joke after smaller works because it was going to be classic one, two, three disruption structure, but it didn't happen. The thing is this is normally we are a comedy show. Today We are going to be to at least watch out. I planted a series of clues to bombs throughout the New York metropolitan area. Oh, wow. There's no cat and mouse. No, so it's a game of cat and slightly smaller cat.

It's a door. Today's an inaugural episode of outside the actor studio. We're going to be talking about the movies of Val Kilmer. Val Kilmer's an actor who has been on my mind. I think I've talked about his movies with Dan recently because I've caught up on some of them. Specifically, I just recently watched the documentary that he made Val. Oh, I haven't seen that. I don't know. Is filled with amazing footage that he from his entire life. It's wild.

And it's kind of an interesting portrait of Val Kilmer, The Man and The Artist. But we're not really gonna be talking about him as a person who is obviously like all of us, complicated. We are gonna be talking about movies he's in. Feel free to pull up IMBB gentlemen. Doing it right now. I'm assuming you are all you are both

familiar with Val Kilmer. I, you know, yeah, I'm familiar with this work. So we get started. We're going to talk all of this movies from Batman Forever to the saint. I've seen them somewhat. So the steam experiment. Yeah, yeah. Well, let's let's talk about some general career stuff. According to IMDB, he has been in 79 movies. That includes voice work and whatever criteria IMDB considers to be a movie. And he's also been, I believe you can correct me. He's been in three movies that we covered here at the flop house. So the theme experiment? The theme experiment?

The theme experiment? Being one of them. The snowman? Right, we did. And we did go. He was a voice in Delgo. Delgo is a movie I frequently forget exists and I'm not worse off for that. No, you're able to walk down the street smiling as opposed to the frowning. Wade down with a shadow by the existence of Delgo and my knowledge of that fact. Now, Val Kilmer has been in some movies that have been hits and some of that have been misses.

Uh, can you guess which movie he has been in has had the highest box office? This is a pretty easy one, I think. The highest box office is his, his Batman movie, whichever one that it is not. L.A., do you want to throw a guess? I would guess like Top Gun or Top Gun Maverick, but I don't know. Top Gun Maverick by a lens. Okay. That's what I think.

That's what I think. That's what I think. I think $5 billion in the bar's office. No, we're not. We're not adjusting first. No, we're not adjusting first. No, we're not adjusting first. One's where he stars, which is not.

Yep, that is not the criteria. He didn't say that. He didn't say that. Now that is not adjusting for inflation, right? That is not adjusting for inflation. Because I think you find, if you just, if you just, if you just for inflation, I think you'll find that the ghost on the darkness was by for a reason, because it's been, no, I'm just kidding.

It wasn't. It's, it's second place was top gun. And then after that, like just after that was Batman. Batman forever. Forever. Is it Batman for, yeah, it's Batman forever, which is our honor since we never played the party again. That's true. That was intended by the title, right? That's a little slug just tell.

Yeah, yeah. Okay, so I have picked out. I mean, Batman forever is really just a kiss by the Rose delivery system at this point, right? Kiss from a rose. From a rose? Yep. Yeah.

Look, I mean, I'm singing a karaoke. Yeah, the rose is giving you a kiss, but it might not be performing the kiss. Yeah, and the kiss from a rose is happening either at or on the gray, which I don't know if that's part of your body or a place. It's on DVD of the gray, which I don't know if that's part of your body or a place. It's on DVD of the gray. So the kiss from a rose is much like the book, a kiss for a little bear, where the kiss is transferred from animal to animal from little bear's grandmother to himself and back.

That's the situation that we're talking about. Okay. A common reference we're all familiar with. I get kisses from little bear. It's all the time. I mean, it's a book about animals and it's a song performed by an animal. His name is Seal. So.

Oh wow. Okay. Elliot checks out. Yeah, yeah, yeah, he's got the, he showed up with the receipts this time. Okay. So I have, I have selected five movies that have Val Kilmer and that I think kind of cover different aspects of his career. Obviously, it's not going to cover everything.

After we go over these five, you'll have a chance to talk about movies that I did not mention that you particularly liked. So number one, the first one is also his first movie, Top Secret. Now this was a huge one for me, Zucker Brothers. Have you guys, do you have any general thoughts on the movie top secret? This was one that I mean, I saw this as a kid, but I saw it later than airplane and they could gun their more successful movies box office wise. And I was kind of like, wait, there's a there's another one that no one talks about.

And I, I enjoyed it a lot. I remember laughing a lot as a kid. I saw it again recently, like at, like not recently recently, but maybe four or five years ago, there was like a rep screening. I'm like, oh, that'd be fine. I'll go see top secret and watching it, I'm just like, I remember all of these jokes. None of it's funny to me because I just remember all of these jokes. But at the time, it was very funny.

Yeah, I thought you were watching. You're like, I can't believe they made Omar Sharif the butt of a joke. No, I mean, I feel like as a, you know, as a budding comedy genius, Top Secret had a huge effect on me? And there's fucking jokes in that that I think about like, I think about to this day, the fucking bit where he's, he has a dream where he shows up to school and he hasn't prepared for the test. And then he wakes up and he's being whipped and he goes, oh, thank God. Like I think about that and laughed to myself all the time.

That was, I think the joke that I, that I think about that because laughed to myself all the time. That was the joke that I think about that, because it really kind of bothered me as a kid, is when the man has the magnifying glass up to his face and he pulls it away and his eye is still enormous. He's that it's enormous fake eye, that the magnifying glass was making his eye look big, but that he's just, it has this hideous facial feature. Yeah, they have, like, I mean,

not that they don't have amazing sight gags in the, in like airplane and naked gun, but I feel like the sight gags are more sort of technically complex in top secret. Like, there's a whole scene. Yeah, it does that whole backwards scene and everything. Yeah, that's backwards. I think that's what the, the, the, the spy glasses from. Yeah, yeah, I believe it is. And the of the scene and the fucking underwater saloon fight. Yeah, like that's crazy. It's a real I it's I never found it quite as funny as I did that naked gun movies, but it's a it's more of a yeah, there's parts of it that are real technical achievement in terms of a comedy movie in that way, although it does involve a scene right where a man dressed as an animal is assaulted by a

horny animal, which I never fan of. At a, at a, at a do not. At a do not. At a do not. At a do not. At a do not. At a do not. At a do not.

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That's very good. Yeah, and it has that scene where the, it looks like the train is leaving the station and it's that the platform is moving away. Yeah. And that blew my little mind. I mean, I feel like we're picking out gags in a movie that is like 99% gags. Oh, it's all gags. I mean, there's nothing, there's nothing else really to it other than gags,

right? The now, I think, I mean, I think we're all at least, we're all fans of this movie on various levels, but how do you, how do you feel about Val Kilmer in it? This is like his first, this is his first movie and he's the star. Um, I, I mean, I think that pardon me, I think that he's good in it. He's good in it. He's got a comic flair that to me, I don't want to, I don't know what you're going to talk about next or whatever, but like, I prefer him in, I don't know what you're going to talk about next or whatever, but like, I prefer him in, I don't know what you're going to talk about next or whatever, but like, I prefer him in, I don't know what you're going to talk about next or whatever, but, I don't want to, I don't know what you're going to talk about next or whatever, but like, I prefer him in real genius comedy-wise. I think that the, that what makes airplane and naked gun work so well is that it's actors

being so serious. And like Kilmer has like an impish flair that like is weird that that is what he comes out of the gate with because later on I would argue that the problem with some of his performances is he becomes more humorless. But that's that's the thing. I like his performance in it for that reason that it shows that side of him that we don't otherwise get to see in too many other movies, and which he could have very well been like a handsome comedy star, which at the time was not as common as it is now where even comedies have to star people who are incredibly

handsome. They can't start people. Yeah, it's like, have you been a professional wrestler before? I don't think you can start in this comedy. Can you bench 225? Because if you can't, you can't start in this comedy. Yeah, we're casting a comedy. Can I see your abs? Do you want to hear me tell some jokes? No, just lift the shirt. Let me see your abs. No, I'm sorry. They're not chiseled enough

to be in a funny movie. I don't need like, I don't, I don't, I guess we don't need to take like a negative detour, but I will say that like we're doing it. like I like, you know, the various wrestling, like comic stars to various degrees, like less so the rock these days, more so, like, like Batista and, and, and, and Cena. Yeah, they're good at what they do. But at the same time, I do think that there's a little bit still of the like, that old like, what was it? Johnson quote about like a dog on a time like, harsh, harsh criticism.

Well, no, I mean, well, it's just like, I do think that part of like the excitement for people in those roles, other than like, the excitement for people in those roles, other than like, Drax, who I think is, like Batista's amazing in that. But like, some of the scene of stuff, I'm like, as much as I like him, I also feel like,

people are still giving him credit for being like a buff guy who's funny in the same way that like, back in the day, when everyone was like, oh man, just a timbre like, it's so funny, I'm saying, I'm in the day when everyone was like, oh man, Justin Timberlake is so funny. I'm saying it live. I'm like, is he? He's better than you would expect.

And that's why you like. Well, the more the way that. I mean, seeing his way better than Timberlake, but I feel like you get, you got that with John Ham for a little bit too, where they're like, he's so handsome, but he's also can do comedy funnies. And the, I want to mention also that same you'll Johnson quote, is it explicitly? It's a very sexist quote. It's a criticism of women preaching.

Dan does not, does not, I don't endorse that. Stand by that half of it. But I think you're right that there is a. Oh man, so many emails are finished right now. I think there is a little bit of a like, can you believe this guy is funny? Also can see he could do these other things,

but I think there's also a, there's been a flattening of film comedy to the kind of comedy that someone with a professional wrestling background is good at, which is kind of bluster, you know? Yeah. Like, and kind of miss the days when you would have like, when there would be a comedy like, I don't know, like the jerk or something like that, where like it was not, it was, there were varying tones to it. And it was a guy who could also do quiet things as opposed to just loud guys getting to

arguments and things like that, which I feel like is a lot of comedy now. But anyway, that's just me being an old man, not like a news. Yeah, this is a real old man term. I mean, the fact is, the fact is, if you're going to ask me what kind of comedy I want to see, I'm going to be like, a horse feathers. And they do not make comedies like horse feathers anymore. You can make a comedy like that these days. You know why? They're not bankable. You can knock it enough people to the theater to see it. Yeah. Uh, okay. Just try, just try to make a comedy like a Sherlock junior these days. You

couldn't do it. People demand a soundtrack with talking in their movies. Even the artist. A little bit of talking. It was that the dog was the dog talking out of a remember. I didn't see the artist. Yeah, the dog was telling you to take a bite out of crime. Yeah, the dog was telling you to stock young couples as they exited studio 54. Wow. That's a son of Sam Joe. Yeah, it took me a while, but I got there. Interesting. Yeah. Okay. Should I mention a more movie? Should I ironically state more types of movies that you can't make anymore?

You can't make movies starring Carrie Grant anymore. Just try it. Go on, try to make a Carrie Grant movie. You can't even make a movie like that anymore because he's been dead for years. And in the studios agreed not to do a bunch of AI CG bullshit with Carrie Grant, right? Actually, you know what they should, now I think about it, that is the one kind of movie you probably can make nowadays. It's a movie with a dead of A.I.C.G. bullshit with Carrie Grant, right? Actually, you know what they should, now I think about it, that is the one kind of movie you probably can make nowadays. It's a movie with a dead celebrity starring.

I mean, the fucking actor's way easier to deal with than these assholes that are always striking, right? Yeah, you try to make, just try to make an action movie starring Jello B. Offer these days. You can't do it because he has no interest in it. You just can't make a movie like that these days. Just try, go talk to him about it.

Yeah, go try it. You just can't make a movie like that these days. Just try, go talk to him about it. He doesn't want to do it. And then when he does agree, you're like, what did I just get my second view? This is gonna be bad. Okay, the next movie on my little list is one he does not star in. We're talking Michael Mayans, heat, heat everybody. It's a good movie. I just rewatched that last year, I don't know, it was earlier this year. Yeah, that would be holds up. I will say this too.

I'll be right back when you say. I was just going to say, I having rewatched it now. When I watched it as what like a teenager, it didn't quite resonate with me. It felt a little bit too long, yada yata, but as a 40 plus year old man, I'm like, oh, I get it, this rule. Yeah, it really, it really, it's a really good movie. There is a part of it though where like, Robert and Yaro is set up with kind of an easy choice

to make, which is whether to be a criminal who dies or go off with a beautiful woman and live happily forever. And it is, I guess it's a portrait of male obsession, you know, that he can't make that choice. That's that Michael man stuff. That's that Michael man stuff. It is that Michael man stuff. I can't say though. I'm the dissenter. I mean, I like heat. Don't give me your own. The dissenter. I feel like I feel like if you say anything bad about heat, the internet is going to murder you. But I like it. I like it. But I rewatched it again at a rep screening. Man, I do have time to burn.

Ellie is right. I watched it recently and I'm like, I don't know. Like with a lot of these like really guys guy movies. I'm just like, this is too, this is too, too guy for me. Like I know that the movie I don't think endorses. No, the movie is a critique of that. It's an understanding critique of it. It sympathizes with it, but critiques it. Yeah, but I just, I find it tiring after a whole while. I will say, to be honest, that was kind of the impression I had when I finally got to watch a sorcerer where I was like, I was like, oh, this is just guys doing guys, guys

stuff in a hard situation. And I love wages of fear. And watching a sorcerer was like, I'm kind is just guys doing guys, guys stuff in a hard situation. And I love wages of fear. And watching source show I was like, hmm, I'm kind of done with these guys. Like, I don't like any of them. I don't really care if they finish this thing. But with the, maybe it's because he involved it, like, you see a little bit the people who are affected

by this behavior, you know, just a little bit. And Al Pacino gives an amazing performance as a character who is probably on drugs the entire movie. You know, it's one of the, I feel like this is one of those movies. It's this incentive. A woman or the ones where like people are like, Al Pacino, you're great when you go all out all the time. And he's like, that's what I'll do. I'll only get bigger from now on. Oh, I think you forgot devil's advocate. Oh, you're right. I didn't forget

devil's advocate. You're right. Devil's advocate is like the biggest performance. I think I've ever seen. I mean, he's literally playing the devil in that movie. I feel like I love canneries, but watching canneries in that movie, I'm like, Oh, I'm sorry, man. You didn't come to the, you didn't bring the right equipment. Uh, but Val Kilmer and he, uh, I think it's, I think that's a good. And this is the same year. I'm looking at him to be the same year he starred as Batman. And I feel like he is so much better used in he than he is in Batman not because he can't carry a movie, but because he doesn't have to carry it. So he can kind

of do what he needs to with the role. And he, and he, like, he delivers a performance that is not as big as, uh, Pacino. Yes. Yes. And he, I, he delivers a performance that is not as big as Pacino. Yes, yes. And he, I feel like he matches Deneurro's kind of like quiet male sadness. Yeah, I just can say that. He is a big man. Just one year before his defining role in the island of Dr. Marot. Oh, baby.

I hope he gets to time it. The island Dr. Marot is a, that is a self-inflicted, he literally said, I don't want to be the star of this movie anymore and swapped roles. You know, that's a, that could have been a very different movie and he could have had different, but he's, I don't know, that one scene island doctor Maro where he's impersonating Marlon Brando is very funny. It's a very funny scene and there's something about it that I know that's not the movie we're supposed to be talking about now and there's something about it that I know that's not the movie we were supposed to be talking about now.

There's something about it where it's like, he is play acting. It's like a child putting on his dad's clothes. He's play acting as someone whose work clearly means a lot to him. And it adds this metatextual aspect to it that the island of Dr. Merot otherwise does not have it all. Okay. So his last name and he is Shekheralis. Shekheralis, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes.

Which seems like a very specific, I just, that's got to be an anagram. Yeah, let's put it up on the board. I think I mean, I haven't read heat too yet, but I think he's like one of the only surviving characters from the first movie. I guess he's a pivotal character in it. And what young, what young, hot star will be cast as this character? Okay. And so, and so love work. So moving on.

You're hurting your first. That's my guess. Oh, maybe. Moving on, we're gonna talk about another, another big one. There's another, this is starring Val Kilmer performance. Oliver Stone's The Doors. I've never actually seen The Doors.

Wow. I've never been that interested enough in the subject or the director. I've never really loved Oliver Stone's movies. I think you've put your finger correctly. I mean, I like some of Oliver Stone's movies, but there has to be something else enticing me. And if the topic is this band that I don't go on hate like some people do, but I don't find very interesting.

Like I'm like, every once in a while, they hear a door song and I'm like, that's okay, so that's the start of the guys. It is one of those things where this is a movie I haven't watched. I think since it came out on like VHS or something and I remember

Mainly being interested in it for scenes of drug use and nudity Which you know like someday that'll be me movie delivers. Yeah, wait someday you'll be interested in drug use nudity Dan One day yeah Some days I'll be new to on drugs. We're laying up not that long after watching the door. Yeah, I mean, well, one half of those things you could do it anytime. I wouldn't be wanted to. I mean, which half is that?

Good question. nudity. I mean, well, I guess you can do it at any time. I'm just saying that you don't have to like wait to a certain point in your life to have access to. I mean, that's just to be honest, the younger you are, the more nudity you're probably experiencing. You're like a little kid or a baby. You can just be new all the time. Yeah. Are you working on some kind of riddle? What is weird all the time? What's weird all the time in the morning? Not nude that much in the afternoon and then never nude. Hopefully in the evening. That's me body shaming the elderly. Yeah. So yeah, I think I think we're all on agreement. I kind of put this on the air because it thinks his answer is Michael man. Oh, interesting.

Yeah. That's the answer to the riddle. Not just Michael man. I feel like this movie, the part of it is that like I feel like Val Kilmer as Jim Morrison has become swapped a lot in in like pop culture where if you put up an image of Val Kilmer as Jim Morrison people are like that's what that's Jim Morrison the original. Yeah. To the point that like I wouldn't be surprised if there's people who have gotten Jim Morrison tattoos that our Val Kilmer's face. The same way people got Malcolm X tattoos and it's Denzel Washington. Yeah, I mean, I do remember the doors being very popular when it came out, and I was like a teen and like these other people are seeing the doors

and talking about the door. So I'm like, even then, I was like, what is it about a movie about the doors that is capturing the youth right now? This seems like such a throwback. Like in retrospect, it feels like more sort of just like deification of like 60s, you know, and like, you know, resulting 60s culture that we grew up with, you know.

Like even the stuff that's like, okay, I guess this is, it's not as deep as you think that. I guess it's a modern music. Well, I also think Jim Morrison's place in culture has sunk quite a bit. I remember when we were young, I would hear about him all the time. There were all these conspiracies that he faked his death

and he was living in Paris as a poet or things like that. And you'd hear about people going to his grave and having sex on it or leaving liquor there or something. And I feel like nobody talks about Jim Morrison anymore. The same way that I don't hear people talk about Janice Joplin anymore. And I feel like nobody talks about Jim Morrison anymore. The same way that I don't hear people talk about Janice Joplin anymore. And I feel like when I was young, I heard about the legend of Janice Joplin all the time,

maybe just because my dad's a real classic rock guy. But I feel like these are cultural signifiers that were very big when our parents' generation was still the leader in culture in a big way. And that's not the case anymore, so like nobody's talking about. Now we hear about the crap we grew up with. Or it's a term that's in Janice Chaplin and Jimmy Hendrix. You hear about Kurt Cobain basically.

Yeah. That's, you know, when it comes to dead, we're talking about young rock stars. People who died before they were able to sour in the public eye. Yeah. I remember. So with this movie, I feel like it, if I don't remember it having a ton of like tight narrative, but Val Kilmer, I feel like is good in it. It's his chance to be like actor with a capital A, and he throws himself in it, but like,

it doesn't make it necessarily a fun watch. Yeah, and the thing I want to mention is unrelated to the movie, which is just that so my dad was a big rock and roll guy when he was young and he was in a rock band in high school and my grandfather was part owner of a company that made metal storm doors and and he when the doors were a big band my dad told me his father went to him and goes, if I told you to name your band, the doors, you would have said I was crazy. You would have said it was a terrible idea. But now you're listening to a band called The Door, it seems like such a funny thing for a dad to say like, good boy.

I guess if I told you a band after what I make professionally, you would say no way, but look, they're popular. That is the, that's like the platonic ideal of a dead joke. Okay, so let's move on. I think we've, we've closed all the doors. Let's talk about this. This is a personal favorite of mine. This is nothing but hunks with moustaches. That's right. Tombstone. Tombstone the movie, not the pizza. That's a different thing. Val Kilmer had nothing to do with the tombstone pizza that I know of. Guys, have you ever seen the movie Tombstone? I have. When I was a, so when I was younger, I lived and died by like the reviews. I would read a lot more and particularly like

who are your guys? Yeah, we knew you were a big thumbhead. You loved rugby. I was a thumbhead. And I, you know, I think that tombstone got tired of it. You weren't chocolate malted. That's what they call Leonard Molten fans. Yeah.

It was sort of a meddling review. And I remember that in general, like, even though it was a big hit, it didn't get like the greatest reviews. So I didn't watch it at the time. And then I kept hearing like, oh, this is so much fun. This movie is so much fun. And I watched it. And lo and behold, it is a lot of fun.

And mostly, Val Kilmer is like definitely the highlight of that movie. He's the guy who, he's the paprika character. He comes in, he adds some spice. Yeah, yeah. That's a little bit of heat. Moved away from the microphone. I was just going, he adds some spice. Yeah, yeah. That's a little bit of a little bit of heat. Moved away from the microphone. I was just going to scold me for it. It's okay. Yeah, I mean, there's, man, you got, you got Kurt Russell. You got Sam Elliott. You got Bill Paxon. You got Powers Booth. What? You got Michael Beanoff. So many hunks with Mustangs.

They should have called this manstone. It kind of feels like, that sounds like, that sounds like gay porn in the Flintstones world. Marty, what are you doing with this? Do you have any other symptoms? I haven't seen it in a long time and I should rewatch it. I remember seeing it as a teenager and enjoying it. I'd like to watch it again and see if I have the same issue with it that I have with a

lot of Westerns from the 80s and 90s, which is sometimes they kind of feel the need to be the Western. Like it had like because they were making so few of them at the time. It feels like it needs to be all things that a western can be and like I recently I never seen silver auto and I watch that recently I was like there's six or seven different movies going on in here and they do not fit together and but it feels like he felt like you have to make every western you could possibly make because he's never gonna get to make one again but uh yeah and like they have to like reestablish the language again. Yes. Yeah, they have to exactly. There's so much of it felt like I'm introducing an audience to Westerns who either haven't seen them in a while or have never seen them. When I

love to watch, I also watched a movie. I'm going to recommend it at some point in the future. Samuel Fuller's 40 guns, which is just a fun Western. Like I really enjoy Westerns versus like, you know, what's going on? Let's do a Western story. So I'm going to have to rewatch them. So I haven't seen it. Wow, but I remember Valcomer, yeah, super fun in it. He gets to be talking. I feel like Doc Holiday, which is the most fun character in the tombs in that story,

because he's like, he's the bad boy, he's dying, like all that. He's romantic figure. He's alcoholic. Yeah, he's a tragic romantic fun figure. He is so good in the movie where like anytime he's on screen, you're like, I should also want to look at everyone else, but I just want to look at him. Yeah. Yeah.

And Michael Bean plays a great bad guy foil for him that also at no point is there ever a moment when he's going to beat Bill Kilmer. No, never gonna. You know, it's not going to happen. Yeah, it's great. The original bean town bad boy. Any town he's in is bean town. Yeah.

Uh, okay. And then we have one more before our break. This is a later career Val Kilmer, the one that is still pretty near to my heart, talking about Shane Blacks Kiss Kiss Bang Bang. Have you ever seen this movie, guys? I literally just the other day said to myself, oh yeah, I never got around to seeing Kiss Kiss Bang Bang. I should watch this. Really?

Yeah. That surprises me. Shane Black stuff is hit or miss with me. And, you know, and I kind of, I always keep lists of movies that I want to see, so I don't forget them. And then I forget those lists. And I just end up wandering around keep lists of movies that I want to see, so I don't forget them. And then I forget those lists. And I just end up wandering around in the halls of cinema, whichever way life leads me.

So I'll watch it. Maybe I'll watch it. Did you see the nice guys? No, that's another one where I was thinking, you're saying like, I never seen the nice guys, too. I should see that. Well, I was going to say, I agree that, I mean, like Shane Black stuff, I agree is hitter miss. that I mean, like Shane Black stuff, I agree is hit or miss, but most of my fondness for him

is based on Kiske's Bang Bang and the nice guys. I feel like that is the best iteration of his thing. And it's a shame that those are like two of his least successful movies, but Kiske's Bang Bang is, I don't know. I mean, maybe you would find it a little too clever knowing your- I like clever stuff. There's a smart meanness to it. You get annoyed at things that are sort of ostentatiously clever sometimes. And there's a lot of, it's all based on like quips back and forth.

But- It's a lot of arched eyebrows. I think I like it a lot. If the movie can set, just being personally for myself, the movie can set a tone of, this is not supposed to be realistic, this is heightened. It's like I like Tarantino stuff. And his stuff is, it's all, you know, it's not exactly the same kind of smug, smarmy quips, but it's like, you go into it being like, well, I know this is not going to be reality

that I'm living in, you know. And it's very much like both this and the nice guys are very much living in a like paperback detective story. Yeah. Yeah. World where that like smart mean is part of the charm. Okay, well, maybe that'll be the next many as me reporting back on these two movies if I like them.

And I think at the time when this movie came out, which was what, 2000, I want to say 2005. 2005, exactly right, according to IMDB. 2005. Like, Downey Jr. hadn't been Iron Man yet, right? Yeah, now this was like really, like this was what came back and I'm like, I admit that like everyone talked about how talented he was, like early in his career and I was never like the biggest fan and then when this came out like him sort of like older wiser ready to work down in junior came out like I think he's so good in this movie that I got on board the train right away, you know,

this is this oh sorry, I was just gonna say and Val Kilmer was also like his star kind of dipped a bit. But he provides a lot of kind of grounding to the movie, whereas like with Downey Jr. he is the like kind of wacky like antagonist who is a protagonist who is also not very good at anything. And Val Kilmer provide, I don't know, there's something about like the weight of this other star kind of keeping everything together.

Yeah. I kind of missed that about Robert and Junior that I feel like the last roles I've seen him in for the past, I don't know, since Iron Man, he's playing like cocky competent, snarky, like he's not a nice guy, but you know he's the hero, that kind of stuff. And I kind of miss him. Just like an Oppenheimer, where's the hero of the whole thing?

Yeah, exactly. Well, in Oppenheimer, he's a paper thin villain. But I kind of miss when he played weird parts in scanner darkly, where his character is such a... Name them who he's great. Such an unpleasantly off the wall character, and I'm like, oh, I love this performance so much. He's so good in it. Yeah. Or something like home for the holidays. Where he's great in it. And like clearly, he like not doing well in life.

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or we talking about little movies, we throw out faves or those, well, I mean, this is that little, although it's little, little it's little, little is completely the wrong term. And in little to go. Throw it in the garbage. No, I mentioned it before, you know, maybe it's a weird pick, but because it was on television, a lot was a kid. Real genius is the movie I associate most with Val Kilmer. Perfect.

And I think that that movie has stood the test of time in a way that a lot of 80s comedies haven't. I mean, it helps that it doesn't really have a bunch of offensive stuff, at least not that I can remember. And I like that it has real nerves. You could make a movie like Real Genius anymore, Dan, because the Cold War is over. Yeah. I was, so I think part of the reason why it holds up is because it was directed by Martha

Kool-Hitch. Yeah. Who didn't put that kind of, you know, it's, it didn't put, right? Gro-Shit in it. No, yeah, it is, it is a weirdly sensitive movie for, for what it is, like a bunch of geniuses cutless and doing pranks and stuff. Um, and I like that other than Val Camer who, you know, is movie star beautiful and has a lot of charisma in that part. Like all of the, the nerds in

it look convincingly like nerds who would go to these schools, you know, like they feel like more like real, you know, young people who are growing and I don't know awkward and learning, you know, and it feels very lovable. Yeah, especially compared to it's peer revenge of the nerve. Yeah. Yeah. Wow. Try to warn us about how poisonous nerds can be.

I mean, it is. Yeah, Revenge of the Nerds is a chilling prophecy that the world has only made come true. Yeah. There's a theory of a big bang. Where studios will try and make you not be concerned with nerds. You should not pay attention to that. No, no, no. Keep watching the nerds. That's what we're running as we run through the streets as trucks of nerds are being brought into town. You're next. Keep watching the nerds. You're next. Delicious, though. I had never seen real genius. I did not grow

up with it. It just wasn't a movie that my folks had on tape at home. And we didn't have cable when I was growing up. So it, I just watched it the other day. And yeah, it holds up. It's funny. Val Kilmer is great in it. William Atherton, everyone's favorite. 80s asshole, isn't it? Sure. And there's a ton of Valley Girl crossover, of course, with Martha Coolidge, so it's cool to see those people. And then of course, I went watch Valley Girl, which has just one of the guys crossover, which is great.

Yeah, it's all part of Samuars. We got it. The 80s teen cinematic universe. Absolutely love it. No, real genius is great. And Val Kilmer is great in it. I haven't seen real genius since I was a university. Absolutely love it. Now real genius is great and Val Kilmer is great in it. I haven't seen real genius since I was a kid. Maybe I'll watch that again sometime too, when it was on HBO all the time.

I'll mention this is another kind of movie about this is kind of along the lines of heat. This is a movie about men doing bad things and being bad that Val Kilmer is a supporting actor in but Lieutenant port of call new Orleans. It's a very different movie than a lot of ways is a I think it's a great movie I think Velcomer is really good in it and similarly because he's able to play off a much wilder performance from Nicholas Cage And it's it's a it's just an example of like one of the things that Velcoma does really well that he also doesn't heat, which is provide that kind of like ballast, you know. Yeah. Well, also creating his own character.

He's not just there in relationship to the main character, but he also, but he is providing a necessary counterweight to that main character at times. I think that's one of the things that Valcoma brings to a lot of his roles is that like, even if he's not going to be getting the, be getting the spotlight, he puts in the work to like build a character for himself. Yes. And it, I mean, it, it shows. He feels like in, in many ways that he is kind of, I mean, he's, he's a thinking actor

in a way that he didn't have to be in his career necessarily because he was, he's very handsome and he could have easily been Batman or the saint or whatever. I mean, he could probably ever be. It has, it's been for him as an actor. It probably did in his career, yeah. Whereas if he was more like his top gun cast, castmate Tom Cruise, who is eager to kind of, is up for whatever, but doesn't seem to put a huge amount

of thought into some things other than the mechanics of doing an amazing thing on camera. But of the two of them, which one is gonna do a touring show where they perform as Mark Twain? Not Tom Cruise, it's gonna be about going on. Well, I mean, yeah, it's just like, I mean, like obviously Cruise is wildly committed to what he does, but at a certain point,

he seemed to lose interest in the thing that he does being like challenging himself as an actor versus like- Well, he's like a does a fair backstage. He's very entertainer. Yeah. He kind of challenges himself to perform physical stunts or to be in situations. Yeah. And that's a valid way to provide entertainment, but it's not necessarily like the craft of acting. Especially because if the craft of acting is creating the illusion that you are a person in a situation, being that person and putting yourself in that situation is not acting.

When Tom Cruise is like, well, if I'm going to be in this helicopter crash, I better learn how to fly a helicopter and crash it. It's like, well, that's not acting. That's stuff work, which is still an amazing craft. But it's not the same thing. You know? I remember when Bad Lieutenant Porticole New Orleans came out and there was buzz about it, and I'm like, what they made a fucking sequel to Bad Lieutenant.

And also that like, rumor Herzog made it seem so weird. Yeah, it moved for him, yeah. And like, tracking it down and it's so, it was so weird and fun and like, yeah, it's great. And I believe Herzog never watched the Ferrari movie. I believe it's great. And I believe Hertz I never watched the Ferrari movie. I like that. Yeah, I think it's the cracks. I mean, it may make sense for him. The I don't think he's watched a single episode

of the Mandalorian and he's in it. Yeah. Do you think do you think they gave him one of the baby out of puppets to take? Probably. He's like, I hope so. I don't understand what's the title of something. It is. I mean, he would might think it's cute. He loved it. He loved it. That the file story. Like, he like, I love it. Maybe. Yeah, there's that story where John Favreau, like, they took the puppet out so they could shoot it in case they wanted to use a digital baby Yoda.

And Bernard, it's called him a coward. in case they wanted to use a digital baby Yoda and Bernard's called him a coward. I love it. I mean, that's right up there with the stories of Ingmar Bergman watching Jurassic Park over and over again. It's like, just as they're weird artists, does not mean that they don't like the same things people like, you know?

Yeah, yeah, they're still human beings. Kubrick really, didn't he like love Steve Martin movies like specifically? Well, there's, and I was just was just watching that HBO documentary about Albert Brooks and they tell the story and that about Stanley Kubrick calling Albert Brooks and being about the movie Modern Romance and being like, you made the movie I always wanted to make. How did you do it? This movie is amazing.

Albert Brooks being like, what? You made 2001. But I think that you are amazed by the stuff that you can't do yourself. And like, you know, Kubrick, like Dr. Strangelove, notwithstanding, like, not necessarily, like the funniest man it seems to be. Not a funny filmmaker. Yeah, although Barry Lyndon has some really funny parts, the ending of Barry Lyndon is very funny to me.

But there are moments of clockwork orange that are funny. Not all of it. I don't know if I would play an F-Riot on the poster. I feel like people will be out of your rage. Stuart Wellington. You will be mad at you if you did that. But sometimes that's the bit and you got to commit to it. Yeah.

Gunlusting for the whole family from age one to a hundred and one. So Stuart Wellington about a clockwork orange. I'm, I'm going to talk about, uh, I'm going to wrap it up with a movie that has a very small, but I would say important Val Kilmer performance. That's right. I'm talking true romance. Have y'all seen true romance? I have. It's another one that I have not watched since I was a teenager and I should watch it because I feel like I will react to it differently than I did then. As a teenager, did you like it? No, I reacted with extreme distaste. I did not want to exist in that world, but I think I might appreciate it more now. I had the saying, I haven't seen

it a year or so. I did, like, I was like, what is this like Tony Scott flash all over everything. Everyone's like unpleasant. But now I feel like that kind of stuff. Yeah, I crave it, you know, weird way. I mean, I feel like I- I like flash. That's why you like the movie The Flash so much because that's very unpleasant flash in it. Unpleasant Flash is the evil flash.

No, I mean, we're like, yeah, mid-range like it comes to your party. He does the commit primes that aren't- You don't want him around, do you? Yeah. It's not it comes to your party. He does the company primes. You don't want him around. Yeah. It's not outwardly insulting, but clear that there's an insult buried in it. Yeah, you tell him it's not really paying attention in conversations. He's just waiting to say the thing that he wanted to say, even if it's not related to

what everyone else is talking about, but he does it real fast. Yeah, at least there's that. True romance was a movie that when I saw it, I was like, this is amazing. How would I not heard of this? And I loved it. But then, you know, I got a little bit older. I'm like, what is all this garbage and flash? Yada Yada.

And now I'm back around and like, no, I like this again. And obviously it's filled with great little character performances, you know, your Christopher Walkins, your Dennis Hoppers, your Gary Oldman, Gary Oldman anybody, what a, what a, what a, what a, what a, what a, what a, what a, what a, what a, what a, what a, what a, what a, what a, what a, what a, what a, what a, what a, what a, what a, what a, what a, what a, what a, what a, what a, what a, what a, what a, what a, what a, what a, what a, what a, what a, what a, what a, what a, what a, what a, what a, what a, what a, what a, what a, what a, what a, what a, what a, what a, what a, what a, what a, what a, what a, what a, what a, what a, what a, what a, what a, what a, what a, what a, what a, what a, what a, what a, what

a, what a, what a, what a, what a, what a, what a, what a, what a, what a, what a, what a, what a, what a, what a, what a, what a, what a, what a, what a, what a, what a, what a, what a, what a, what a, what a, what a, what a, what a, what a, what a, what a, what a, what a, what a, what a, what a, what a, what a, what a, what a, what a, what a, what a, what a, what a, what a, what a, what a, what a, what a, what a, what a, what a, what a, what a, what a, what a, what a, what a, what a, what a, what a, what I'm looking through the cast now and I forgot that Paul Bates from coming to America is in it. Oh. A movie that I watched over and over again when I was a kid coming to America. That was a favorite in our household. Yeah, I mean, coming to America is what top five best comedy sub-alton. So and true romance, Val Kilmer plays Elvis. And he, I don't even think you see his face really. If anything, it's obscured through like, it's only seen through a mirror and it's obscured with sunglasses, but he provides kind of a, I wouldn't say conscience, but maybe a impetus, like a driving force

for Christian Slater's character, a inner monologue, basically telling him to commit crime. So like that dog we talked about before. Yeah, sure. Cool dog. Cool dog. Yeah, some of Sam's dog has sunglasses on. That's so cool. Yeah, that dog was a rascal. You know, it was all made as a goof.

Oh, that's, that reminds me of a steward I meant to send you this picture. I took yesterday of a car in front of me on the freeway that had the license plate A-scamp. I was like, oh, Stuart's car. Oh man, I shouldn't let that guy burn my car. He's kept it this whole time. What a scam. I think the change that you went through on this movie, Stuart, is one that I think a lot of people

who appreciate movies go through, or art in general, I guess, where when you're young, you like the surface elements of a thing because you think they're cool, like you genuinely think they're cool. And then when you get older, you're like, eh, there's nothing, there's nothing under here. But then when you get older than that, you suddenly have this new appreciation for those surface elements as surface elements, rather than reading some kind of meaning or some

kind of depth or some kind of death into it that maybe isn't there. And I think that's healthy arc. Yeah, I think at a certain point, if you like the medium, you just appreciate the movingness of it all sometimes. Or if you're, or if you're film critic David Thompson, you just become a weird kind of creepy perv without Nicole Kidman. And that becomes the main driving thing of through your, without Nicole Kidman. And that becomes the main driving thing of three years. You're through your film right? It's a little weird drive by that guy.

And I was just thinking about that recently. He's like a very well respected film writer. But then every now and then he'll just be like, he'll just say, he'll just write something that's so, that it's such a so horny for Nicole Kidman. No, no, no. Right. Hey, I mean, it in that. No, where? Right. Hey, I mean, it shows that even film writers are humans too. And how many weird obsessions? It's that you it was is it a what in the essay, the immediate experience where they, um, there's the thing about how a critic is someone watching a thing and experiencing it.

And they have to describe that experience and they have to be true to that experience, you know. Um, and you can't you can't have film without desire, I guess, especially film like romance. That's your, that's your perfume, man. You can't have film without desire. You can't have a desire without Kaylyn. Like an old can of film, Kaylyn, a fragrance. an old can of film, Kaelin, a fragrance. Oh, not bad. Okay. Okay.

So, smell like the theater I was in last night, a little popcorn and farts. Kaelin, a new fragrance. So, we're going to wrap this up. We have one final segment. This is where we are going to take a look at all the Val Kilmer performances that you can remember. And I want you to identify one that you think would be the, which character would be the best hang and which would be the worst hang? I have my worst hang

cute up. Yeah, you want you to go because we have a little. I want to go. Worst hang, it's got to be Jim Morrison, right? I mean, I feel like that would be exact. Yeah. So to start a jump on that grenade, guys, but I don't think that Jim Morrison would be fun. And Val Kilmer's commitment to that character makes him even less fun. Let's see a good hang. I mean, it's going to be tough to be real genius. I feel like he's, he's got like an airy, like intellectual quality, but he is still committed to having fun and making sure that the people around him are having fun, even while he's making fun of them. So that's what I'm going to have to say. I've chosen my best hang and worst hang.

I'm going to say I'm going to go with best. I think since you took real genius, I will go with tombstone because even though he's like cool. You know, I mean, like, you know, it's a party when he's around. You know, eventually it's all going to fall apart. But for now, let's just have fun with Doc holiday. And worst, I guess I'll go with the villain from the steam experiment. that's not that kind of kind of kind of kind of kind of kind of kind of kind of kind of kind of kind of kind of kind of kind of kind of kind of kind of

kind of kind of kind of kind of kind of kind of kind of kind of kind of kind of kind of kind of kind of kind of kind of kind of kind of kind of kind of kind of kind of kind of kind of kind of kind of kind of kind of kind of kind of kind of kind of kind of kind of kind of kind of kind of kind of kind of kind of kind of kind of kind of kind of kind of kind of kind of kind of kind of kind of kind of kind of kind of kind of kind of kind of kind of kind of kind of kind of kind of kind of kind of kind of kind of kind of kind of kind of kind of kind of kind of kind of kind of kind of kind of kind of kind of kind of kind of kind of kind of kind of kind of kind of kind of kind of kind of kind of kind of kind of kind of kind of kind of kind of kind of kind of kind of kind of kind of kind of kind of kind of kind of kind of kind of kind of kind of kind of kind of kind of kind of kind of kind of kind of kind of kind of kind of kind of kind of kind of kind of kind of kind of kind of kind of kind of kind of kind of kind of kind of kind of kind of kind of kind of kind of kind of kind of kind of kind of kind of kind of kind of kind of kind of kind of kind of kind of kind of kind of kind of kind of kind of kind of kind of kind of kind of kind of kind of kind of kind of kind of kind of kind of kind of kind of kind of kind of kind of kind of kind of kind of kind of kind of kind of kind of kind of kind of kind of kind of kind of kind of kind of anti-climate change as we all think. His theory was that if you put a bunch of people in a really hot room where they're slowly

dying from the heat, they might get cranky. Yeah. And he proved it. He proved it. That's right. Much in the same way that if you put a frog in a pot of boiling water, it will die. Yeah. That's what that experiment proves.

I think worst thing, I'm going to go with his character of Montgomery in the island of Dr. Merot, which we mentioned earlier. He is unpredictable. He's a sociopath. He will see nothing wrong with just letting loose a bunch of murderous animal people and throwing drugs and things to them so that they kind of lose their minds. I don't want to be around that kind of energy. That's not so great to me. But for a good hang, I think this is another role I mentioned before, but they did do a video of it on the same Mark Twain, who, uh, not feel more for years, performed as a one-man show. And I know all you hellhole broke fans are mad that anyone else would pick up the Twain mantle. There's more than enough

Twain to go around. There's at least two. His name is Twain. Stately Twain mantle. The documentary, I haven't seen, have you seen cinema Twain? Have you seen it? No, I haven't yet. I really want to see it. Yeah. But the footage that they show in the foul documentary is pretty good. I was skeptical of it, but it's, he's good in it.

No, it's a show I genuinely regret that I did not know of, I didn't get an opportunity to see it because I don't really think he can perform it now with the way his voice is. But the, his, but I do want to see the movie version of it. So I'm going to say Mark Twain, again, someone who in real life, kind of a difficult person to be around in the long term, but I'm really probably a fun person to hang out with for an evening, you know, with all the bond mods and all his stories and things like that. So that's been outside the actor studio. Next time we'll be talking about another actor that I find fascinating. I think I don't know when we're going to get around to do another one of these,

but I think the next one's going to be Holly Hunter guys. Oh, no. Russia. Holly Hunter. So our show is on the Max Fun Network. You can support us and other great shows by going over to maximumfun.org. Yeah, it's produced by Alex Smith,

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