The Gargle - Beluga | Orca | Octopus
Episode Date: June 1, 2023🐋 Beluga Spy Whales🏴☠️ Orca's attacking boats🐙 Octopus nightmares🧠 Brain Chips📝 Reviews Kai Samra and Alison Spittle join host Alice Fraser for episode 114 of The Gargle - the gl...ossy magazine to The Bugle's audio newspaper for a visual world. Produced by Ped Hunter and Chris Skinner.Why not check out 15 years of top stories: https://www.thebuglepodcast.com/topstories. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.
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allison spittle hey hello uh previously known as the flapjack lumberjack in another universe and
kai samra welcome hello it's delightful to have you both and but before we take hands uh together and plunge
forward into the police cordon that is this week's top stories let's have a look at the front cover
of the magazine the front cover of the magazine this week is you yes we're doing that lazy time
magazine people of the year thing where it's you you're the most interesting thing happening in the
world this week sure the satirical cartoon this week is Elizabeth Holmes
unveiling her latest invention.
And the picture is of Elizabeth Holmes saying,
you put a drop of their blood in and it tells you
how much less blood they have.
Wow, I thought you were going to say like a prison shiv or something.
That would have been a good joke, but it's not the joke I made.
I'm sorry.
I'm sorry.
No.
I don't.
Sorry about that.
No, please do give me edits on the fly. It helps my self-esteem.
It's something of a sea special this week.
Our top stories are all sea news.
And not like sea news because we're now putting this on YouTube
so that you can see us saying the news,
but actual news of the ocean.
Wave.
The first news is the news of a suspected Russia-trained spy whale
which has been appearing off the coast of Sweden.
Kai Samra, you've seen a whale before.
Can you unpack this story for us?
Yeah, I'm going to put this out there first.
I don't like the way this article is victim-blaming the whale.
I feel like the whale had no consent.
I don't think it was an actual spy whale.
I mean, on the other hand,
there is a lot of conversation about what the next James Bond is going to be.
I'm just going to put this out there.
Idris Elba, no, a female James James Bond I think we need a whale James Bond I feel that'd be a lot more inclusive I mean in this instance it's a beluga whale so at least it would
solve all the people who are annoyed that the people are considering a non-white James Bond
right it ticks every box also there's so many to krill i've done all the names all these names
just come straight out of the bat and also i feel like a fondue would be pretty good just
whale noises i'm all for it uh allison yeah i uh with this with this whale thing apparently
the whale has a harness on it that says saint petersburg so that's a shit spy
first of all if you're wearing you're wearing a thing that this uh country that you're apparently
working for um you know it's got the name of the country that you're apparently working for on a
harness if you saw james bond walking around with a harness that said Britain on it. Except if he was in Berlin in that amazing nightclub.
You know, no one would suspect him there.
But, like, this whale is the crappiest spy I've ever seen.
Number one of spy school,
don't wear a harness with your country's name on it.
It's just not going to work out well.
Yeah, you don't send an envelope full of anthrax
with a return to sender address on the back.
Do you know what?
Imagine if someone did.
Like, that would make me the hardest person ever.
Come back at me, mate.
I kind of got triggered by this story
because, like, when I was younger,
my mum used to put mine and my brother's names
onto our jackets.
But I had a hand-me-down on my first day of school.
And we had my brother's name on it.
And also my brother's name's Arian.
Which, if you've got this level of melanin, is not a...
It's a hell of an unfortunate name.
And yeah, then the teachers thought I'd nicked the jacket just because I had my older brother's name on it.
And I didn't understand what was going on.
So I felt like me and the whale could do a lot of trauma bonding i feel like authorities
generally don't understand siblinghood i remember getting pulled up i think it was in austria at
the airport with my twin brother uh because they were like you have the same last name and birth
date on your passports and we were like yes also just it's cute, your brother's name is
Arian, and this whale,
it looks like it's a member of
a white supremacy group in prison.
It's got no
hair. It's very, very pale.
Yeah, it's got a skinhead.
It's got a, I have to say,
a bit of an angry face on it as well.
If you want to Google this particular
beluga whale, like, it's a, yeah, they've got a bit of an angry face on it as well if you want to google this particular uh beluga whale
like uh it's uh yeah they've got a photo of this beluga whale as well
it's got its own area like just puts it like it's petersburg it's
yeah actually i can't take it back i don't like the look of this whale.
In other political whale news,
this is the news that killer whales in a group near Spain and Portugal seem to be having what's called a fad or a fashion for attacking boats,
either because they feel like anyone who owns a yacht is fair game
or because they want you out of their house.
This is an exciting news for the orca rights movement i think allison spittle um you see things in black and white can
you unpack this story for us oh yes so what i love about this this is about a story about a group of
whales off the coast of like portugal and spain that have, for the past three years, right, have been bashing their heads into the sides of catamarans and yachts,
which I see as an act of class solidarity.
It's beautiful.
And I think the best thing about this story, and you touched on it there, Alice,
is that I didn't know that orca whales have fads.
Like, one of the fads that they've had in the past was wearing dead salmon
as hats and i didn't like i was very i felt i felt very at one with the killer whale at that
point because i myself as a teenager after my uh after my my chemical romance phase did wear a dead
salmon as a hat for a couple of years you know know, to express myself. So it's beautiful.
We've all seen Blackfish, haven't we?
Which is like, oh, my God, that came out about 10 years ago, I think.
And that blew my mind that whales would have feelings. Did it blow your mind right out the top of the hole in the top of your head?
Oh, absolutely.
But, yeah, so these oracle whales are just having a bit of fun.
It's not really fun for the people that are in the boats.
But also, if you're rich enough to own a yacht,
I think you should get killed by an orca whale.
I feel like going on from Alison,
I feel like orcas are definitely like the emo whale, actually.
I've never seen them like in that way before. my first introduction of orcas where it was like free
willie did you ever watch that film yeah and i feel like that their their media like representation
of them was so good and now as i'm getting older i'm seeing a whole new side to them and i don't
like it it's because the name was willie as well so you'd look at that you go willie couldn't harm me and we all know and we all know
we all know d damn you know that may seem fun at the time that was the third or fourth draft of his
friendly name uh from killer whale to free willie that kind of transition went through a few awkward
phases including killer willie which didn't work i mean killer Killer Willie once again sounds like a white supremacist in prison.
Do you know what I mean?
There's Killer Willie.
What did he do?
He killed a lot of people.
Or the Willie Killer, which is a different thing again.
In other under-the-sea news, everything's better down where it's wetter.
Take it from me.
Actually, this is the news that octopuses may have nightmares
about predators attacking them.
And as a big fan of octo things, I feel really sad,
but also kind of more confirmed in my belief that octopuses
are about as close to an alien intelligence on Earth as we can get.
So, I mean, and by on Earth, I mean escaping from their tanks in an aquarium and walking down the street to their ocean homes.
Kai Samra, you've got at least two arms.
Can you unpack this story for us?
Yeah, so basically, like you said, it's this, scientists have found out that octopuses,
what are we going for with the plural of that?
Octopus, what is the plural?
Isn't it octopodes?
Octopi.
That just makes me feel hungry.
Cephalopods.
Okay, just lots of, they have nightmares.
And I kind of, it makes me feel a bit sad so much to hear.
Like, because I'm like, you get nightmares because your psychological needs aren't being met and I just love the idea of like a kraken
with like attachment issues and something like that or just like a little Freud octopus just
like trying to decipher what they do all krakens have attachment issues they're just clinging onto
the boats being like love me love me that's all they need they just want love from the ships i'm just like why are
these pirates just horrible too but um yeah that's that's the yeah that's kind of like uh
it makes me feel quite sad actually did you ever guys have ever like recurring nightmares when you
were younger or anything like that yeah i grew up catholic so big time
i always used to have dreams that like
I would step out the front door
and then it would be over a cliff
or I'd be negotiating with my god
like a hostage
negotiator for my family
all the time
every night was a list of people I wanted to be spared
but these octopuses
like what I love about this is kind of like
it's very cute
like it's like those, these octopuses are
octopussing themselves at night
like they've seen it
by the little octopus they
thrash around and spread out
ink because of dreams that they
have and that just reminds me of my
partner like you know
sometimes he'd be thrashing around
and secreting
something you're like oh it's just a dream it's just a dream side note actually sperm quite works
quite well as invisible ink wow you should tell that spy whale that as well we need to get this
book you need to write that like He needs to write that. Like, someone needs to write St. Petersburg.
We know dolphins are a bit iffy about consent.
I'm not sure how whales feel about it.
Well, there's a sperm whale.
If the beluga whale needs some, you know, ink, it'll be fine.
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A cast.com Now it's time for Wikipedia faking us out news news now.
And this is the news that Wikipedia has had the wrong Vatican City flag on it for years,
which has led people to, for example, show up to the Vatican with the wrong flag.
So Wikipedia not being the final source of all information, I'm going to turn to Alison
Spittel.
You are Catholic.
Can you unpack this story for us?
Well, it's a big case of citation needed, Alice Fraser, as what's happened here.
I feel like an actual news reporter.
You did the voice.
I'm impressed.
That's your audition.
So the flag of the Vatican City,
it's yellow and white.
We kind of all know that, right?
To me, to see someone wearing yellow and white,
it makes me feel like they're from the Vatican City.
And as the lyrics went,
take me down to the Vatican City
where the priests are wild.
And the girls aren't allowed.
Yeah.
Yeah.
It's this actual country.
And until 2023,
the internet didn't realize
that this flag didn't exist.
Sorry, that this flag was wrong.
Which makes me feel like
maybe this isn't
a real country and shouldn't be taken
as a real country. I mean, if it's
not in Eurovision, what is
the point of it? Although I would love to see
a Vatican City Eurovision entry.
It would be a lot of
choral songs
on it. But yeah,
people just presumed because it was on
Wikipedia that it was true and
it's strange because there's so much stuff on wikipedia um that like it's smaller than the
country that has good information about it like for instance there was a a spate of killings that
went on in asia due to it uh due to a disagreement on how to sing My Way by Frank Sinatra.
And if I can find that on Wikipedia,
surely we can have the actual flag of, well, it's not a real country.
I'm going to say that. I don't recognise it.
It's not recognised on Pointless.
And Pointless to me is
the epitome of proof and facts well i mean this is one of the amazing things about the my way uh
killings which one of the stories was put to us i love how this is a thing that is just everybody
i'll get straight on wikipedia after that well i get sent all of these uh stories and this is
quite a tragic story but it's sort of bordering on on funny because it's so
terrible which is that um people have a number of people more than one person has been killed
because of singing uh frank sinatra's my way their way essentially seeing it in a way that
infuriates the the listener and also ironically enough when they are jailed for murder it means that they sit there in their cell
singing regrets I've had
a few
yeah
so Wikipedia like
to me is a bastion of
truth although I have a Wikipedia page and if
anyone I was going to
say if anyone who listens to the Garagal
also does Wikipedia
if anyone breathes in
oxygen uh they're a listener of the podcast uh my my wikipedia thing is so old like don't don't
don't trust the people in gargle listeners to update your wikipedia for you oh i want my job
title is flapjack lumberjack i want everything fair I will I will I will allow and recommend that yeah
I have the most unflattering picture of me from 2014 up on my Wikipedia page but I assume somebody's
really proud of that picture so I've got to just leave it there genuinely please look at my face
on Wikipedia I am sweating at pride parade I look disgusting I look like the baby out of the dinosaurs Remember Jim Henson
That's a very cute baby
I know but as a woman
Like imagine that with tits
Right
That's what I am
Sorry Alice
No look I just
I think there is somebody who's going out there
Putting deliberately
Slightly unflattering photos on people's Wikipedias
Which is fine
I have a friend whose whole hobby
Is putting up pictures of his stuff as the stuff so for example the picture of
the fridge on wikipedia is his fridge wow so it's just him putting his little stamp on history
that's so cool that genuinely is a great hobby to have but i want to do that now let's go to
wiki feet i mean there's not to not to get into like reading recommendations, there's quite a long read essay that came out maybe about a year ago
about a lady who goes on, corrects people who write sort of glowing,
glowing historical Wikipedia entries about Nazi soldiers.
And she'll go in and fact check them.
And that's just kind of an ongoing battle that is her.
Wow.
Does she add controversies to the Nazis
like Wikipedia page
or like
you know like the controversy
number one he was a Nazi
he was a literal Nazi
also I go straight to
personal life
every time in Wikipedia
doesn't matter who
yeah there's none in mine,
so get that sorted, guys.
High fives, high fives.
No, I think that's a victory.
Have you got a Wikipedia page, Kai?
Yeah, I do.
But yeah, it's not that much stuff on it.
And none of it's like,
none of it's comedy related.
It's basically just like all the bits of like,
well, it's bits of like the comedy show,
but it's just like factual stuff about my life. And I'm just like, I don't want this out there. But yeah well it's a bit of like the comedy show but it's just like factual stuff
about my life and i'm just like i don't want this out there but yeah that's the problem when you do
like uh when you do interviews and newspapers and stuff and you're given the you know like
you're given quite like i think mine is like mine specifically says where i was born and everything. And I'm like, yeah, yeah. But I mean, that's fair.
I don't know.
No, I'm so proud that I've managed to proliferate a series of false facts
about myself and now on the internet.
So nobody knows.
Really?
In every photograph, I stand at a slightly different height.
So nobody knows.
And they'll never know
a lady never tells Alice
you know
a lady never tells how tall she is
that's a lovely
Kai you've got a lovely picture now
are you looking at my
I'm looking at your Wikipedia
ok we're looking at each other's
I'm going to
that was just my headinburgh i don't mind
about that if you are somewhere in the world and you're wondering what what picture of a comedian
to use for anything use something that they've put out for their own publicity purposes because
i guarantee you they get that out of 400 photographs of their face after weeping and
having a nervous breakdown about that's what the side of your head looks like yeah also that photo
is like the biggest catfish in my face i'm absolutely fine with that i feel like every time i was like anybody came to see me in edinburgh i could
say a theater they'd see me like that is not the guy on the poster like
all of my all of my photos are pre-pandemic pre-baby so i've got to get them updated
oh wow your your wikipedia page guy is short but sweet. That makes me want to look at your work.
That's very good.
You want a Wikipedia page written by someone who has a bit of a crush on you.
Yeah.
Anyway, I'll stop looking.
I'll stop looking.
But you know what's cool?
I could,
but yeah.
But you know what's cool?
My village,
my village's Wikipedia page has me as a section,
which I think is very cool.
That is,
you've made it.
You've literally made it.
I mean,
what's the village?
Well,
it's literally like a village
of a couple of hundred people.
So I'm like,
yes.
Now it's time for your reviews. As you know, each week we ask our guest editors to bring in something
and review it out of five stars kai what have you brought in for us this week so i'm gonna set this
up first so i went it was my friend's birthday recently um so we all went to weatherspoons
because we're very very classy and um my so basically we ordered some food we ordered some
drinks the waiter came gave us our food gave us the drinks my friend got a steel hip flask from out of his jacket pocket i was like oh
i don't think you're allowed to bring your own alcohol into the pub he went it's not alcohol
he opened up he pulled it on his chips it was nando's hot sauce and apparently this is a thing
that people do that they can bring their own condiments and people have like key ring condiments of like
sriracha sauce and things like that and apparently this is a thing and i'm gonna be honest with you
i was disgusted but now i'm i'm all for it and i give it absolutely five stars that's incredible
that's that's that that is the power of fiance though she's been singing about that for years
has she been singing about that she's got hot sauce in
her bag swag like you know even though this guy's got it in his pocket that's amazing
yeah i know he's got that beyonce swag but this is a thing i'm definitely gonna have i'm a big
fan of condiments anyway bring your bring your own condiment i'm all for that i'm a big fan of
condiments too but i like a chunky condiment, like
mango chutney.
You need a Batman-style utility
belt with different holsters.
Yes, I do! With like a spoon
and everything like that, you know, just to
get my... Is it Branston
Pickle? I've just got Branston Pickle because
it's the end of Succession.
That's not a condiment, is it?
That's a condiment and that's hilarious because that would be the most ukip kind of way of doing a beyonce song
where it's like i've got branston pickle in my bag swag you know that's fine whale would have
branston but he'd have some sort of like nationalistic item do you know it would have
it would have its own eggs or isn't it beluga? Beluga caviar is a condiment.
That would be slightly candlestick.
Is that a Branston pickle in your pocket
or are you just salty to see me?
And Alison, what have you brought in for us to review?
I am actually reviewing something
that's connected to Kai in a way.
I'm reviewing bringing a book to a Beyonce concert.
So I managed to get a ticket
to go see Beyonce on Monday in London.
It was on my own.
It was really, really high up in the rafters.
Cost me 100 quid,
but I'd be sat on my own between strangers.
And I don't like crowds.
So I wanted to get to the Beyonce concert early.
I was looking up as well,
like if you're allowed to bring in food
into the Beyonce concert.
And it said no.
But I saw a woman bring in a full packet of Jaffa cakes,
which I love.
Like that woman brought a full packet of Jaffa cakes
to a Beyonce concert.
It was incredible.
I brought a book
and I brought the biggest bag that you could,
which is a size a4
and the guy who was uh doing my security was like why why such a big bag and i was like because it's
a big book and the book i have is called reach for the stars which is a history of pop music from
1996 to 2006 and uh it's an incredible book i was just reading about how craig david was treated
while waiting for be for Beyonce to come on
which felt like the most pop
influence thing I could do
she was incredible by the way
there's no point in reviewing her, she's 5 stars
but also bringing a book to a Beyonce concert
I'm going for 4 stars
loved it but the weight of it
as well, bringing it around was a bit heavy
it is a chunk of a book
it's quite a lot of history in that.
But, yeah, I had a great time.
And that's our reviews section.
Now it's time for our brain chip news,
and not the delicious kind of news that your brain eats
to keep itself going after that 3.30 p.m. slump,
but the news that Elon Musk's brain chip firm has won U.S. approval
for human study.
Alison Spittel, you have a brain.
Can you unpack this story for us?
It's amazing that Elon Musk's company has won US approval for brain chips
when all that's really needed is daddy's approval for Elon Musk
to make him stop doing this.
So apparently this is, it's kind of like it's i why do i i don't personally
dislike i uh you know musk i don't think of him that much but i'm always suspicious of him
you know even when he went out with grimes i was like what's your deal elon and like what's going
on here like that made me as scared as this brain chip thing. So apparently, like, it's going to help people that have conditions as paralysis or blindness.
And it's going to help them by connecting their brain up to a computer via Bluetooth.
Now, if anyone has ever used Bluetooth before, we were having Bluetooth problems there.
Imagine having to scream out to your friends can you please stop connecting your headphones to my computer i need that for my brain like um so uh so they've got fda approval to uh kind of
explore this what was weird and i'm just having a look here there was a uh there was a quote from
elon he said like that humans don't really have to worry about ai uh that the brain chips will help
and i'm like how are the brain chips gonna help daddy elon what are they gonna do is the brain
chip just gonna go no it's fine yeah you know ai is gonna steal your job but the brain chip is your
daddy now uh and it's fine. And I just can
imagine a lot of dudes queuing up around the block
to be lobotomised by Daddy Musk.
Getting brain-cooked,
you know, brain-cooked
by big old musky.
I feel like if there was
a Venn diagram of people who
want an Elon Musk brain chip
in them, and people who didn't want the
Covid vaccine in them
it would be a perfect circle
it would just be a perfect circle
but Elon's also
I know Alison you were talking about, apparently
I found this out, apparently his grandparents were from England
and they moved to South Africa
in the mid 20th century
which is just incredible, I just like the fact that
Elon's parents, grandparents were like
in mid 20th century England, they were like,
no, we need to go to a place that is more racist.
And then they just came to town after that.
They heard the Suffering Signs So Strong song
and they took the side of the oppressor.
They were like, oh, let's get out of here.
See, I've got to be a slight contrarian here
because I swing back and forth on Elon Musk.
Everyone knows I have this sort of slightly conflicted relationship.
I feel like we read the same sci-fi novels as adolescents, but he just decided that people were the heroes who I didn't think were the heroes.
I tended to think the people he thought were the heroes were the villains.
But I applaud the ambition.
I think this is a wonderful thing if it works out well
for medical technology.
I can have big questions about the fact that, you know,
our system is not set up so that we can fund this kind
of medical research with the government,
that it needs to be driven by private enterprise
and the mad ambitions of eccentric billionaires.
But I do think that this could work really well
if it ends up being a useful treatment for people with you know parkinson's or mobility issues yeah i am all i'm all for it the question
is uh the fda approval process is so sort of internecine and and worryingly sort of whimsical
that the idea that this is necessarily safe for use for humans i think is probably more of a roll
of the dice than it is a guarantee also i feel like all the stuff he does like a space rocket to the moon and like a brain chip
it's almost like what it's fun give it credit it is it's like it's like what a stupid person
would think a clever person would do or something just like oh one of these things but yeah i don't
know i i'm similar to you i have a bit of conflicting thing with technology because
like on one hand i'm like i feel like it is getting a bit too intrusive but then also like
when I order something off Amazon and they don't already have my credit card details I'm livid
so it would be it's like I'm balancing the two things I don't know what to think of it
I just think we need to concretize the economy and for every convenience you get online you
have to give up one secret from your deepest
heart wow you have to whisper into your into your computer sometimes i'm jealous of my own daughter
you know like and then you're f-stealing yourself are you basically as a billionaire you're just
you're blackmailing yourself like having a great. But also this dude has a lot of secrets on you.
Yeah.
But also,
you know what would happen with all these things.
They just start sponsoring things.
So it'd be like your memory of like your wedding day
would be like sponsored by like Squarespace
or something like that.
Or like Spotify or something.
But yeah,
I'm similar to you.
I don't know.
He just seems like a really bad sci-fi villain.
I thought of a better line for that.
Sometimes I'm jealous of the avatar I create of myself online.
Ha!
I mean, I am.
Big time.
Can you cut that back?
Big time.
Also, my brain feels like a Windows 98 computer.
If I was to connect it to any computer, it would be Windows 98.
Because it takes a long time to get going, to load up.
And also, for some reason, there's pornography in weird places.
You know?
I don't need to see that now.
Like, you know, trying to cook my eggs.
You go to the part of your brain that says, taxes, and you open it up.
And a little cartoon paper clip comes into your brain like do you need help i'm like get away that would be the worst software
oh god imagine clippy like you seem to be masturbating do you need that
you're like go away clippy and then clippy's like you you try and get him on. He's like, you can't. You have to make me pirate this.
And you're like, okay, Clippy.
I kind of feel like I do need a Clippy in my life now.
I mean, in the olden days, a Clippy used to be called a wife.
Hey!
And that brings us to the end of the show.
I'm flipping through the ad section at the back of
the magazine kai have you got anything that you'd like to plug to our beautiful listening audience
uh i'm doing extra show uh so hey there it's uh my last show and uh yeah i've got a comedy
special on amazon primes if you want to watch that check it out hooray and allison spittle
have you got anything to plug oh you know me uh me. My plug-in is for the Edinburgh Fringe Festival.
Tickets are selling well.
I'm really excited about it.
You can go get them for the Edinburgh Fringe for £1.25 every day,
apart from the 14th.
And the show is called Soup, and it's going to be on a monkey barrel.
I'm doing loads of whips.
I'm going to be in Oxford.
I'm going to be in Bath.
I'm going to be in Bristol.
I'm going to be in Margate for Margate Festival, which is really, really fun. I'm going to be in Oxford I'm going to be in Bath I'm going to be in Bristol I'm going to be in Margate for Margate Festival
which is really really fun
I'm going to be in Dublin as well
doing a preview in Wielands
on the 14th of June
which is my birthday
and that's
and Manchester and everywhere
you have a lovely day
thank you very much
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