The Glass Cannon Podcast - Cannon Fodder 11/22/23

Episode Date: November 22, 2023

Happy Thanksgiving, Naish! The guys discuss what they are thankful for and then get right back to business! An awesome Black Friday Sale on GCN Merch, the premiere of Faster, Purple Worm, Kill! Kill!, and of course a thorough breakdown of Campaign 2 Episode 10! In We Are Stupid...it's creature awareness, blindness, attacks of opportunity, and some spell updates from the Pathfinder Remaster.  Watch the video here: https://youtu.be/UzUp2YaTMvg For more podcasts and livestreams, visit glasscannonnetwork.com and for exclusive content and benefits, subscribe today at jointhenaish.com. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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You are listening to the Glass Cannon Network, the premier source for role-playing game entertainment. Welcome to Cannon Fodder. welcome to cannon fodder a behind the scenes look at the glass cannon network oh hey welcome back, and happy Thanksgiving-nash. It is Wednesday, November 22nd, 2023, and I'm Joe O'Brien. And I couldn't hear the music in the Discord, so I didn't know the show was starting. I'm Troy, and I poured myself a coffee to have during the show, and then we bullshit for 20 minutes before we start recording and now the coffee is is gone it's it's amazing it's amazing seconds before i went live with the open i reached over and picked up a completely empty water glass i didn't realize

that i had totally emptied it so i've got no water you've got no coffee but we're professionals lavali you know what let's just do a quick 10-minute FOD, and then we'll move on with our life. A tight 10. We'll do our tight 10 version of the FOD, and we'll get out of here quick. Actually, it will be a short episode this week. It's Thanksgiving week. It's Thanksgiving week. Happy Thanksgiving, Nish.

There's not much in the realm of news. We'll talk about a couple things. And then we'll just dig into episode 10 of campaign two. And we'll talk about that for a little bit with some We Are Stupid and of course, listener mail. I got a couple questions from you guys, because you guys are the best. So starting it off, kicking it off at the top with just quick news bites. Black Friday, we're doing a sale. People should know this. People should know that this friday uh when the black friday hits at midnight right thursday at midnight going into friday

you know if they got people working they'll start it up at midnight but pretty much sometime on friday visit the store you know you'll see it on social media if you follow social media otherwise just go to glass cannon network.com store And we've got items as high as 85% off. Everything must go. Everything must go. Yeah, but everything in the store is discounted by some way. And so, you know, we wait. Wait, no, that can't be true.

Dude, every single item in the store. Are you telling me that there is a discount on the Glass cannon podcast campaign to ugly christmas sweater you can't that's brand new discounted get discounted you know the newer stuff has a lower discount than the the stuff that's been sitting there for one percent off yeah one percent no no i think the lowest is like 10 off or something yeah so like everything literally everything in the sale uh the store is on sale. You know, it's a great time to grab something if you've been like,

oh man, I want to get that. I'll wait till it goes on sale. We end up selling out of a lot of our older merch because like I said, some of it's gonna be 85% off. You can get a t-shirt for three or four bucks. You know, we've got a couple like ladies tees that have been sitting around forever

in one old shirt. Get rid of that shit for us. Otherwise, we're just going to use it to wash our car. You know, but it's you know, it really helps us out at the end of the year. And that's going to run all the way through Cyber Monday. Awesome. Awesome. So all weekend long, head over to Glass Cannon Network dot com slash store for up to 85 percent off.

Off. Very exciting. for up to 85% off. Very exciting. Other news, in other news, there was a big release last week that we didn't talk about on fodder as it was coming up. At least I don't believe we did. Sometimes when we do fodder, I just black out

and I forget what we talked about. But did we discuss that Dungeons & Dragons Adventures launched including Faster Purple Worm Kill Kill. It's up and running. We did not talk about this. I got a nice invite to the party. And out in L.A., they did a big release party. They sent me an invite because I host one of the episodes of Faster Purple Worm.

I'm on another one. And so I texted Lillard. I was like, dude, should I fly out for this? Because I will. What? You were going to fly out there for that nonsense? I said, I can move mountains if you think this is worth me being at. And he's like, dude, don't worry about it.

I would let you know. I was like, thank you. But then I look at the pictures. I'm like, that looked like a really good time. I should have went just to Hobnob. But yeah, they've launched this D&D Adventures channel. There's like a cooking show and obviously the one we're most excited about is faster purple worm kill kill uh and uh

you you're on an episode i'm on an episode i believe i'm not sure it's kind of hard to get real to get information on this i guess you could just text lillard but like i think we're i think our episode that you ran is episode eight does that sound right to you I can't remember it's eight or ten because I'm on one I'm on one with like Kate Micucci and a couple other actresses and then I I host one with you I don't know are we supposed to say yeah because we've shown the clips it's your the players are you Mary Lou Jared and Alicia Marie and uh yeah I can't remember what episode it is but I'm sure if you follow their social media Beedle and Grimms social media I think they're gonna like every week say hey this is this week's

episode follow Beedle and Grimms on social media for any updates there to see if you can catch it now only I think one episode or maybe two have released so we're still very very early on keep an eye on it and it is tricky. So this channel is on Freevee or Pex or something? Pex? I can't remember. But if you have Amazon, it's on Freevee, and it's free to watch live TV. Now, that's the tricky part. I may be getting this wrong, but I'm pretty sure it's not on demand. You can't just go find it and watch past episodes. wrong but i'm pretty sure it's not on demand you can't just go like find it and watch past episodes you have to watch it live streaming and it's on fridays thursdays thursdays at nine o'clock eastern and nine o'clock pacific so it runs twice in a night basically we're not doing a good job of

promoting it because nobody is dude nobody is it's very hard to understand yeah i mean this is a new these things work this is a new thing it's called a fast channel you know it's like they rather than like selling this to nbc or hbo you sell it to these fast channels channels just kind I mean, this is a new... How these things work. This is a new thing. It's called a fast channel. You know, it's like they... Rather than like selling this to NBC or HBO, you sell it to these fast channels. Channels just kind of come up and then disappear. Or like you buy a Samsung TV and there's a bunch of apps there.

And you're like, what the fuck is Freebie? Well, that's what one of these things are. It's like a Roku channel. But yeah, just check out the Beetle & Grimm's social media. They're very clear about how to findle and Grimm's social media. They're very clear about how to find it. But it's pretty exciting. And if this channel is successful, I wouldn't be surprised if you saw your old buddies at the Glass Cannon Network doing some stuff there in the future. Doing some more stuff in the future.

We're going to be on TV, though. And my hair, honestly, you think my hair looks crazy now. I think it looks worse on the show because they had me all like, oh, fix your hair and i'm like i look like i look like a weirdo so yeah you do kind of look like kind of like a page boy like a lego man i do look like a lego man like everything is very a haircut onto you like here that's how it's supposed to look right and i was like no you know they did the same thing for our headshot photos they were like all right we had hair and makeup and they did our headshots and i was like i took a couple pictures and i was like can i look at these and like that looks terrible hold on perfect let's take some more all right let's get into it here we'll get into the episode in a

second i've just got a few sidebar questions first yeah this is an honest question oh wait wait is my response gonna make people angry uh No, not on this one. Not on this one. Well, that's everything I say, but go ahead. Do you like your hair? Yeah, I like my hair. Yeah, you're happy with what you got going on there? Yeah, I mean, I think there's people that think I'm bald because I always wear a hat,

which is so funny. I'm like, I think I have more hair than everyone else combined. But I don't like the upkeep of it. You know what I mean? Because I'm a bit of a perfectionist. And so I can only go... And I'm also an extremist. So I put the hat on. I don't have to worry about it. I've been wearing a hat since I was like 12, baseball caps and stuff. And then you get older, you're like, wait, I have a job where I don't have to look good ever. I'm wearing jogging pants 90% of the time. But then when I want to do it, I've realized that I'm entering the sort of Albert% of the time. But then when I want to do it, I've realized that

I'm entering like the sort of Albert Einstein phase of my life that I enjoy it much more crazy than like, you fix it. You know, we I pay a lot for my haircuts. And then I put a hat on afterwards. The woman that does my hair is like, what is wrong with you? I know how much this costs. I'm like, yeah, but I just like the it grows out better when you have it professionally done. Uh, I don't know. I think I'm, now that I got these new headphones,

you might be seeing a little more Troy's hair as it does. It does. Uh, this looks kind of fun. It does look kind of fun. Uh, next question. Also a serious question.

This one, I think could make people angry. Ooh, there are seven dudes that listen to this show and they're just like ready to pounce. Troy said something. Here we go. Ask me something. Get ready to set them off.

Here we go. This is an important time of year to think about this kind of stuff. About giving instead of receiving? Exactly. For once in your life. What are you thankful for this Thanksgiving holiday? What am I thankful for? What are you thankful for?

I mean, I'm thankful for so many things. My family, my children. I feel so blessed every day. I'm thankful that we get to do this for a living. Um, I'm thankful that we get to do this for a living. Mm-hmm. Uh, and, uh, I'm thankful that my family is healthy. That's huge.

Um. Huge. Uh. Yeah, that's pretty much it. You got anything fun? Anything fun you're thankful for? Family and, uh, a great working life are stupid and not fun. Everybody says that. I didn't say a great working life. i just said i'm thankful that i get to do this for a

living that is kind of true got a way to go big difference uh have a pain in the ass um it's better than slinging drinks uh anything fun that i'm thankful for um are you thankful for balder's gate 3 are you playing that at all like when you're not streaming like no no i've never played it that hasn't been on stream so are you playing i said this during the extra life stream it's so funny when people watch our faster purple worm kill kill i were because it's coming out so far after balder's gate i am i guarantee you people like oh he just stole that from Baldur's Gate 3. And you haven't played Baldur's Gate 3, so you don't realize that the whole storyline that I do in the Faster Purple Worm Kill Kill is kind of like the crux problem of Baldur's Gate 3.

And I didn't know what Baldur's Gate 3 was about. I just was like, I want to do something with this monster. And so I started researching those monsters and created a story based around that. But anyways, no, I'm not thankful. I'm thankful for Call of Duty. I don't know, man. Now that is a fun one. Yeah, I don't have any fun. Sports. I love sports. How is Modern Warfare 3? How is it? It's great. You know, I guess there were like, there was this whole thing where they like, great you know i guess there were like there was this whole thing where they like force people to work like 90 hour days to uh put this together um but i've been having a blast with it and i think

it's uh so i appreciate everybody putting in that extra time you know i think they just kind of cobble these together year after year it's kind of like madden they have there's no competition so they're just like there you go and idiots like me i'm like yeah but i have so much fun with it uh because i just play uh the multiplayer. I don't do war zone. I don't do the campaign anymore. And I have a blast. And I think I said to you and McD during the gloom Haven stream last week, like I was playing for five days. I'm still finding new maps and I play a lot of level 37 now. Um, yeah. So it's, it's great. Am I thankful for it? No, 37 now.

Wow. Yeah. So it's great. Am I thankful for it? No. I'm thankful for my family, my health, and where I am. And this wonderful, wonderful, easy job you have. Right. This really simple job.

I'm thankful for the potential of the Glass Cannon Network. Yeah, the potential. Even though we joke a lot about it, our job's so hard hard it's just because it is but like we were very very blessed to be able to do this and i i hope that i i probably don't say that enough because we're always complaining but uh i can't you can't not be thankful about the fact that we get to play play games for a living for sure it's only like half of what we do also um you say we are complaining. I think you're doing most of the complaining.

I just do it in public. Right. I do it all fair. Yeah, I do. I like to offer. Like a professional. I give them the real thing and they can't handle it. I wish I had coffee right now.

No, I think they can handle it. They just don't like it. I – Yeah, what are you thankful? Do I have to ask you now? No, you don't have to ask me, but I was just going to say – What are you thankful for, Joe? All the same things but I was just going to say all the same things. I was just, yeah, all the same things.

Family, um, uh, that I get to do this for a living. It is wonderful. It's great to be able to do this for a living. And there are a lot of really fun times, but like, it's just like any thing that you do that is that you love and you put passion into, especially a small business kind of thing. It's just stressful. That's all. It's just stressful because you, you want to put out a lot. You want it to be great. And it's hard to make great stuff all the time. And it's just stressful. That's all. It's not like it's not the, it's not the easy life, but I certainly would take

it over just about anything else because you're always going to have stress you know uh it's just uh that it's it's stress but you also get to do really fun things with your friends i was gonna say the goalposts keep moving you know like this landscape of new media not to mention just actual play which is you know i will throw fine throw us in that category we're certainly part of that like it's constantly evolving and changing we're not using traditional media so i think a lot of the stress comes from having to um constantly pivot and move and and be ahead of uh changes and not just follow trends right um and i think we're getting a lot better at that trends we're innovating more so than just following. What are you thankful for, Nesh?

Let us know in the comments. In the YouTube comments, give us a little – let us know what you're thankful for this Thanksgiving. It's great to be able to do a fodder this week because there is no Glass Cannon podcast this week. Yeah. Yeah. I don't know if people know that, but Thursday night, our traditional stream night for – not stream night, but premiere night for new episodes on YouTube is not happening this week. And there will be no episode dropping Friday. So this week is a week off for the Glass Cannon Network.

We're here on fodder, of course, to wish you a happy Thanksgiving. But yeah, sadly, no new episode this week. It'll be episode 11 will air next Thursday. It's a good one, too. I've added 11, 12, 13, and just started 14 today. Like this stretch through the end of the year into the beginning of next year. So hot. I mean, I liked the early stuff, but like now you're really getting into the, the, the deeper mystery and the deeper, like what's going on. And I mean, holy shit, not only are we finding our groove

and like really figuring out what this new show is the story is picking up at the same time so you know if you slept on the glass cannon podcast for any reason um you this is a time to get back into it it's uh such good stuff coming up such yeah i've been i've been really enjoying it and that's a great segue let's get into this week's episode uh episode 10 of campaign 2 uh lots to discuss here what happened it's the one where uh we kind of open up with the um with lucky and uh not talitha lucky and zephyr zephyr going in the basket to go up and explore the top part so you do some secret rolls here, perception checks, because you know, you dirty son of a bitch, that there's traps, that the floor is trapped the second you step out of this basket that they take up to the next level. And so you roll behind the screen.

What I presume at all times is that you roll two natural 20s and then lie and say they didn't see anything. Your thoughts? No, if anything, I'm rolling their perception against the stealth DC of the trap. So that's what I'm saying. Rolling natural ones. That's what I'm saying. I'm saying they succeed, but you just lie about it and say they didn't to make it a better show. I roll.

You've seen it from time to time. I think it happened. I want to make sure I'm not getting ahead, but I feel like it happened in a previous episode where I rolled, and I think I am getting ahead. Okay. Yeah, no, I do. I live and die by the dice. It makes my job so much easier. Yeah.

And anyway, so. So they don't see it at all. They don't see it. I'm like, let's go. You're like, you must have been so psyched. Oh, yeah. So juiced. It's great.

And, you know, hats off to Kate, especially, who was like, listen, my character doesn't know that. I want to go explore the room. And she does and gets sliced by these jets, which for some reason confounded all of you. I'm like, if you put high pressure water that cuts the skin, what don't you understand about that? Everybody's like, what? Water is making me bleed? Yeah. Have you ever turned on like a power

washer if you pointed that at your foot it would cut your toe off yes yes i don't remember all of the back and forth on that but i i do agree that high pressure water can slice your skin right open absolutely i think what i was most confused about is is this is not a trap that's the thing is this is not a trap. That's the thing is it is by the book, a hazard, right? Which is what traps are. But like in this case, it's,

it's usually trap implies that someone has set this to protect something or harm intruders. And that's just not the case here, right? Well, you don't, this is an accident waiting to happen. You don't have that information.

You know, out of here, just give us the information. You know that I'm bringing it up here happen. You don't have that information. Get out of here. Just give us the information. You know that. I'm bringing it up here so I don't speak out of turn. It's just an accident that was waiting to happen. It was something that was let go too long. It's being used incorrectly, and it's being overtaxed.

I think I used the word overtaxed a couple times. I'm just trying to see here how it was done. But yeah, it's not a traditional trap, but you don't know. You don't know what's going on there. You're right. I really don't know what's going on. You know, the gnomes were fucking with it and they maybe they didn't realize that they were caused. They were creating a problem that you guys happen to set off or maybe it was something intentional.

But if intentional, then what are you trying to be kept away from? And that's unclear. Right. What are we trying to be kept away from? And that's unclear. Right. What are we trying to be kept away from? Or are they trying to keep other people away? Because it does get very tricky. I'm going to just jump forward here because I want to get into the meat of this, which is running into these two fae. These like – I can't remember the first one's name, but the other one was –

Chibi. Chibi. Chibi can't remember the first one's name, but the other one was Chibi. Chibi. Chibi. And Bofo D's nuts. Bofo D's nuts. We go up against. And it is very confusing because this is now the third room since we've gone in

here that have no Oak stewards, have no gnomes, have just fey. And they're all attacking us. Like, I don't understand what's happening. I thought the Oak stewards came here and forcibly took this place over. So, like, why are these creatures still here? Who is their enemy? Is everyone their enemy?

Are they just like wild, chaotic, angry beings that hate everyone? Or are they allied with what's his face? You know, I just can't wrap my head around what's going on here. Because I don't know if you're just being slick, lying as this fairy to say, because very early on in the conversation, you say something along the lines of like, oh, what's his name? Boal, but not Boal. Bowfoot or Bolan? Bolan. Bolan is the one who's taken over this place. He is very bad. He's horrible. He's horrible.

And so I think, oh, well, we might have an ally here, right? Enemy of my enemy. And then they're like, I'll see you in hell. And I mean, when I said it in the show, I was like, can't anybody be nice? Why does every Fae we come across have to be so evil? Yeah, I mean, you've learned from, I can't remember if it was,

I can't remember any of the characters' names at this point, the wood elf, Fionestra or Lemma, that Bolan wasn't really, he didn't he didn't make a lot of friends when he was a kid so he would go into the forest and he would make friends with the creatures there the fake creatures you know what i mean so you know that he has he's better at sort of making friends with fake creatures than he is with humans and that's kind of helped him uh in his uh not helped him but like that's kind of pushed him to where he is today. He didn't play well with others, but he does play well with these chaotic creatures.

So maybe they're in line with him, or maybe that he's just such a poor leader of this place. The Fae are like, oh, the gnomes are gone. Let's go take over. You're not quite sure yet, but you do know that they were, one of them was invisible and hiding and waiting. And so it seems like an intentional attack. And it ended up being a real fun, kind of crazy, it felt like a good fey fight. Like, the feys are just doing lots of nasty little annoying shit. Yeah.

Not a ton of damage, but enough. Color spray and that weird song that made Brother Ramius dance. I couldn't get that song out of my head it was so good the way you guys played it because i think in the past i could imagine like a skid reaction being like oh yeah all right nester dances you know and it's just like no it's not that your character feels compelled it's like there there's something happening to them that is so intoxicating that they can't control it and uh i mean i just i've watched now it's been a clip a social media clip i just saw it again on the tease for next week we were just like oh oh what is happening to me i laughed so did it make the tease for next week that's yeah it did make the tease um i mean and

that so that moment there i remember uh brother ramius is he's blinded by color spray, which we'll talk about more. And we are stupid. He's blinded in color spray. And he's he is he can't see anyone. And he's slowed. He only has two or stunned one. So he only has two actions. And so I elect to cast bless.

And this ends up being huge that one point and it just goes to show you what a lot of people have been telling us including professor eric just always reminding you reminding all of us the importance of buffs and debuffs in 2e it just it feels a lot weightier in this game than it did in 1e and i think that it just because of that crit to regular hit ratio success to critical success or critical failure ratio those plus ones and plus twos are huge so this bless that lucky gets takes her hit on the attack of opportunity from a hit to a crit by exactly that one point interrupts his spell which was i don't remember what's the one where you can get blind glitter dust yeah it was glitter dust

interrupted glitter dust uh i mean just everybody around the table is cheering those moments those are the best when you're around the table and you can't believe how something just came together and all the players are screaming with joy. I mean, it's like watching it. Well, I say this all the time, but it's like sports. I don't get why these nerds hate sports so much. It's like what you're doing is playing sports. That's what you're doing when you play.

Sit around and play a game of Pathfinder. It's a competition without being a competition. You're building. You're raising the stakes. And then when you finally get that clutch, I mean, the emotion is huge. It was great. It was wonderful. Yeah.

I love when that happens. Absolutely. It's just that true feel of the unscripted, you know, event that you can't plan, you couldn't write that when we walked in there that we would fail so badly on color spray. And I think, I think you even said it in the episode. You're like, this is the best color spray I've ever shot off in my Pathfinder career. Like somebody critically failed somebody else. And you only had two targets. One critically failed. The other one failed. So people are blinded. People are stunned. I mean, it was, it was a phenomenal use of the spell. Well, that's also what I love.

And to overcome that was thrilling. That's one of the things I love about 2E, and we've probably spoken about this before, is that the spells, it's not just save or suck. Like, even a success, you get a little annoying little fucking thing. Because a couple of you succeeded on it and still were like, I can't remember if you were stunned one or slowed one. we're like, I can't remember if you were stunned one or slowed one, you know, I like that there's still, you have to critically succeed usually to have no effect, but a success still has, you take some damage, you have a little penalty. So that's, that's great. I like that. I agree. I really like that as well. All right, let's, let's talk a little, we are stupid. Let's look back over the episode, some of the things we just discussed and kind of go into detail on maybe things we could have gotten wrong or just to clarify the way the rules work as we look back at the episode, including some remaster updates.

So the – this was really tricky where, you know, are you flat-footed or off-guard, per the remaster parlance? Are you off-guard when you're blinded automatically? And the way that Professor Eric essentially breaks it down is that when you are blinded, you can't detect anything using vision. That's right out of the books. That precise sense of vision. So unless you have another precise sense yeah um you're you're flat foot we fuck that up yes exactly so and because um uh on if you then go to undetected and the description of undetected when you're undetected by a creature that creature is flat-footed to you yeah uh you know now

changing that terminology to off-guard. I just wish they put that in the text of blinded. You know, it's like a rule that's nested within another rule. And that's kind of an issue

with 2E. Maybe they fix this in the remaster is that like, usually it's very explicit. Just say in blinded that you're flat-footed. I guess because you're not

because you could have other precise senses. But like, it's like this rule is like a Russian doll of russian doll of a rule you have to like get to the yeah that's true but in some cases i think that there's a good point to it i really do like i think that making it a little vaguer like that or that you have to find you know the connection somewhere else is by design because i think that yes there are many creatures that could be blinded and would not be flat-footed to yeah for sure so you can't just put that as part of the text

uh i mean maybe you could have just put in there like remember if you don't have the precise sense if you don't have another precise sense you know so generally when you're blinded creatures become undetected to you what's tricky is when do they cross over into hidden? And, you know, I think this is an interesting point that Professor Eric brings up, because he mentions that when you do anything, a blinded makes everything undetected. When detected by an undetected thing, you're off guard. So yes, you would be flat footed, you know, typically, if it's kind of an A equals B equals C kind of thing. But when we talk about Lucky's attack of opportunity, which is a very pivotal part of the episode, we say, can she even take the AOO because she's blind now?

We said that the creature is not undetected to her because she knows it's right there. She was just, she just saw it right before she went blind, et cetera. Um, and on its face, there's no rule on undetected that you can't be aware of it. So, uh, I, I think that the, it does make sense. Uh, but especially when it's casting the spell, this is what he says. The opponent is making a noise. Any noise generally moves it from undetected to hidden. This is something he finds nested in the sneak action. Quote, if you speak or make a deliberate loud noise, you become hidden instead of undetected. So as soon as that thing speaks and it has to cast the spell, it's hidden instead of undetected to a blind creature i think

that he thinks that we did totally by the book allowing the ao it should have had the and this is what i like about it instead of putting language in blinded that says you can't take aos you let them take aos against a hidden opponent but you just have a dc11 flat check you know what i mean like let people roll dice and try it It's just harder. That's all. She hit the attack and crit the attack and hit the flat check. So It's still, I've read it a million times. And then once we get into it, I'm always like, but I don't want to slow down the game while we're recording. I want to get it as right as possible. But it's not only keeping the pace up of the episode, but I find that if we stop the recording, let's make sure we get this 100% right and then take 10 minutes. We lose a lot of the momentum of how we're playing.

And that sort of translates to how the game feels as a viewer. So that's the beauty of Cannon Fodder. But unfortunately, because we're so far ahead, sometimes we miss this. But I just – I think it should be convoluted. Convoluted isn't the right word. I think it should be a little complicated, a little bit complex. But this is like the one sticking point that goes back to the first time I read it being like – let me read this again. Precise, imprecise, hidden, undetected.

It just for some reason it won't imprint on my brain no matter how many times I go back to it. I like to try to get a shorthand. It doesn't bother me at all. I actually have kind of an easy time with it. I don't think that I get it right 100% of the time, but like it, it's not as complicated as it sounds. However, I think that in trying to find a shorthand for it, I think that it's pretty safe to say, unless you really believe that the PC has absolutely no idea where a character is for whatever reason, that's the only time they're undetected.

Usually, if they can't see them, but they're in a fight, they're hidden. That is usually the case. Undetected, you would have to be hiding, stealthing, you know, successfully stealthing. Somebody would have to be blind or have no idea they're even in the room, such as Bofidis nuts during the dialogue and at the start of that fight. That creature is as undetected as you get. We had no idea that creature was in the room, undetected. You know, it's funny. It's like, I know it. Okay. Sometimes I feel more confident than others. You know it pretty well, but you make mistakes too. If I offered any of the other players a hundred dollars and gave them a fourion quiz on it, they would get all four questions wrong.

They don't know it at all. And so we have no help. I'm going to say this is your Christmas break homework is really study this. Yeah. And the reason to study it is that it does come up a lot. Yeah. Because there are conditions that dazzle you. They make people concealed.

There's dim light. There's low light. There's whatever that creates these concealment versus hidden versus, you know, now this creature is in darkness, but it's making noise. It's now hidden as opposed to undetected. Like there's – it does get tricky, but trying to use those capital undetected, capital U undetected, capital H hidden words appropriately and nailing them down is important. But ultimately, at the end of the day, I think it's better to lean most of the time in a dicey situation on hidden rather than undetected because at least you roll the die. I mean that's a 50% mischance. That's pretty brutal. You have to – not only do you have to hit the attack, you also have to, you know, flip a coin after that.

So I feel like generally if I were to be running a game, I'd be like, when in doubt, just say it's hidden. Always just roll a flat check rather than getting into an argument about whether you can even try or not. Just let them try. You know, that's kind of the way I think about it. I think as a player, sometimes you're like, well, I'm not a rogue, so I don't have to worry about sneaking too much. I'm not a wizard who's going to be casting invisibility on myself. I'm not going to spend too much time digging into this. But then you forget that like, even if you're a fighter or, you know, a druid or whatever, somebody else might be

casting those spells on you. Or like, it may be casting those spells on you. Or like it may be casting invisibility on you. Or maybe you're stuck in situations where you do have to stealth, even though you're not a rogue. And so I think it's easy to gloss over those rules. But we could all that's something we could all spend a little more time with because it does come up over and over and over again. And every time I'm prepping for these scenarios, I start over from the beginning reading it and then we get into it. I'm like, damn it, I'm not 100% sure because I study it every single time. I mean, I spend a lot of time with the rule book and it's still in the throes of the game, especially in a live show where there's no safety net. Like, oh, hold on.

Let's stop for a second. You just got to kind of roll with it. But it keeps things going. And I think we generally do a pretty good job with it. Yeah, I think so too. And at the end of the day, you don't have to be a hundred percent. You just don't have to be, you know, you just have to, we'll get as close as we can, but keeping it moving is what's most important. And that, that, and that's not just because it's a show. Like you do the same thing at your table. If everybody is looking forward to stopping and

reading up on a rule, great. That sounds like a, you know, that's a fun game if that's your game. But like generally most tables, like chess, make a ruling and keep it moving. And usually it's better to let people roll dice. So that's why I say err on the side of hidden, let people roll flat checks and just keep it moving. Yeah. Before flat checks, we'd be like, just roll a D20. And, you know, we would just make that up because you kill the momentum.

Even if you're not recording, you just kill the momentum of a combat you're building this crescendo up you know if we had spent too much time on it her crit means so much less now you know it's like oh yeah it's different when it's like explosions of joy yeah it's just like a pacing uh thing that it works it works for both a show and a home game. So as we released Fodder last week, or as we recorded Fodder last week, I didn't have the new player core book, the new remaster rule book. I have it now. Started digging in. It's very interesting.

A game with no ability scores, with no alignment. It's a very – it's different, you know. But starting to wrap my head around basic concepts. But like I said, I barely dipped my toe in. Just starting to look at it. But Professor Eric, when it comes up, is going to just remind us of little things that they – little choices that they've made. And here's two quick examples. One, Color Spray.

It's had to get remastered, man. It's now Dizzying Col dizzying colors purely a name so change fucking dumb i hate it i know but yeah dude it's it's not it's it's the fault of the american legal system i don't know if it is but uh you know whatever okay rainbow juice rain we could remaster our own i think we'll call it rainbow juice we're gonna call it rainbow juice i mean i get it i know you have to go it's just like so annoying also maybe it's just it's a bad name dizzying colors dizzying colors they let the new guy write that name. I'm sorry.

Someone could be listening and they wrote the name. I know. It's not a great name. Well, look, it's hard. It's not easy to rename these iconic things. It's not easy. This is interesting, though. This is very interesting considering this episode. Bless has been updated and, wait for it, LaValley, buffed.

Dude, huge buff to Bless. When you cast Bless in 2e, I was like, this spell is terrible. It starts as a five feet emanation and then increases by five feet every round that you spend in action sustaining it right uh so it's it's like it was so hard for me to wrap around how this would actually be worth doing in combat in this situation it ended up working out because whatever long story but uh the new remastered version of bless it starts at 15 feet of burst instead of five. It triples the area. Then it automatically stays there for a minute. You don't have to sustain it, but you could choose to spend an action to sustain it and extend it by 10 feet for every time you do

that. Does it stay centered on you or does it stay centered on where you cast it? It's centered on you. It boils out from you. So in one round, 15 feet, that makes it so much more of a viable first-level spell. A plus one to all your allies within 15 feet. Then if you spend an action, you're already at 25 feet. One more action, you're at 35 feet. And that's just – and by the way, I think those actions have to be like in consecutive rounds.

Sure. Like you can't just spend three actions the next round increasing at 30 feet. I don't think. I'll dig into the rules on that. But that was a huge buff. And I love it. So thank you, Professor Eric, for pointing that out. I'm going to go look that up in the player core and just double check that I'm getting it right.

But yeah, I thought something was wrong with Bless so i'm really glad that we'll be using the poor man's bless until further notice no don't make me do it come on brother rabius is struggling as it is we'll be using color spray and old-fashioned crappy bless old-fashioned crappy bless is that uh that's going to be our rename of it? It's just crappy bless. Crappy bless. I'll be casting crappy

bless. At first level, I've prepared crappy bless. All right, let's get into a quick list. Before we get out of

here, I'd like to get a, take a question from the Nate. Okay. On this Thanksgiving holiday. Just let me know when

it's over. What did you say? I can't hear the song. so let me do it over. You're way off. You're way off. It is over. It was blasting in my ears, and so I didn't quite hear you.

What I thought you said was, I don't care what this question is. Just let me know when it's over. And I was like, dude, ease off. That as well. No, I don't know. Ease off on Eric. Not Professor Eric.

Another Eric. Let's fire some people up. What do you got? I don't know where you're from. I don't know where you're from, Eric. Eric, thank you for writing in. Guys, in case you don't know, you can always write in. Contact at glasscanonetwork.com.

Subject line, listener mail. And you can write in with a question. We'll answer it here on air. And you can type instead of writing and sending a screenshot of a hand letter. Yep. You could type it in. You could even do that and send it via digital mail. You can also, if you're a member of our Discord,

you can also just go to the Cannon Fodder. I think it's on the Cannon Fodder channel on Discord. And there's a pinned listener mail thing right there where you can go to a form and submit your question that way. So lots of ways to get us questions. Dude, I spent some time on the Discord last week cleaning it up, giving it a little winter cleaning. Our Discord is pretty great.

Yeah, it's a great space. I've been joining other Discordsords non-gaming related and just kind of seeing what they do for their uh you know kind of bolster conversation in the community and whatnot and uh so i spruced it up a little bit and uh yeah it's getting there it's getting there it's a fun place to hang people love discord people love discord uh All right. Eric writes in. Hey, Troy and Joe. Eagle-eyed viewers can catch Joe O'Brien at the Faster Purple Worm Kill Kill table in the trailer, which, by the way, is news to me. Wow. I've watched it twice, and I didn't see any of us.

I didn't see any of us. I wouldn't say anybody I even know. Could be another bearded dude. I'm pretty sure you just saw another bearded Irishman. But to be honest, I only watched it once. I know you talked about this when you filmed it and you were keeping it hush-hush, but now that it is about to air, can we hear more about that experience? Thank you for the question. That's a great question.

Now that it's out there, I think we can talk a little bit more about it. We obviously mentioned it pre-show just about the show coming out and stuff like that. But let's talk about the experience for a second because this was really fascinating to see tabletop actual play in this nature, getting this kind of love and attention. our introduction into this business has always been on our own by ourselves in apartments and then you know into studios that we rented in the city and stuff like that this was the first time for me i don't know for you i think it's for you as well that we saw this as part of a you know los angeles hollywood production television production um and it was really really neat and kind of fascinating to be a part of uh you you did two shows and over two different days right or did you do them in the same day um i think i did them on the same day yeah i think

i filmed one in the morning and then came back and ran uh yeah i did that was the same day i filmed one in the morning and then uh came back and did one Yeah, I did. That was the same day. I filmed one in the morning and then came back and did one that night. It was crazy because I took like a red eye, got into my hotel at like three in the morning, but it was really six in the morning for me. Slept for a couple hours, showed up on set. They brought me in there to do this one show where I was a player.

And it was just like me and four women, a female GM and then three other women. And a couple of them had never played D&D. And so I just like me and four women, a female GM and then three other women. And a couple of them had never played D&D. And so I was like, Kate Micucci had never really played. And so during little breaks, I'd be like, you're doing great. Don't worry about the rules. Nobody knows the rules. Nobody knows the rules.

The rules don't matter. And it was a really fun experience. And seeing that, we had seen it before when you and I visited Geek & Sundry a couple years back during one of our LA trips. I remember we had seen a little bit of kind of how it works, but that was like Geek & Sundry was on life support at that point. We saw Jason Bowman. Yeah, we saw Bowman do Crypt of the Everflame. Quest for the Everflame or John or something. I'm thinking of Quest for the Frozen Flame. But that was a much smaller scale.

Nights of Everflame. A couple cameras and very tight space. This was like a full-on little bit of a studio audience. Well, it had a live studio audience, which was really cool. And yeah, yeah. Yeah. I mean, I've got to be on TV sets before I did a couple things that never, you know, I got cut out of and everything, but it had been a while since I had done something like that. And, you know, it was kind of cool because we were also at that point getting ready to start production on Gatewalkers. So it was fun to see, you know, how far we had come along and like kind of where we could be at some point. It was really fun.

I mean, to me, it was the first time I was ever that I can remember ever like on TV. Like I had went to David Letterman. You know, I have gone to Jimmy Kimmel. Who's the guy the guy i need jimmy fallon like i have been in the studio audience for tv shows and you kind of see like the vibe but i haven't been on one before and it was really neat to like even from being in the green room and we were with such great people because you know we played with jared and mary lou and alicia marie paula deming was there because she had done a show i think earlier that

day and so she was just hanging out and to all just be hanging out in the green room was really fun. And then it's like hair and makeup. You go to the hair and makeup person, and they're doing me all up. And they're super friendly and fun. And then you run into like Nora Ibrahim, who's kind of acting as like a producer, production coordinator, you know, is like on the floor, like, and she's asked me, how are you doing? Feeling all right? Do you need anything? You know, it's just amazing. And then they put us backstage and they have this audience out there. And there's a, you got somebody right next to a producer with like a, you know, a mic, whatever, a headset mic, who's like talking to somebody quietly that you do. All right. And you're ready for Joe, right?

Okay. We're ready for you. And then you like walk out, you know, I mean, it was just really, really cool and all for just playing a game of D and you like walk out. I mean, it was just really, really cool. And all for just playing a game of D&D. You know, I mean, it was just really, really neat to be part of that whole thing. And you're right. When I was sitting there, it was so funny. Like, I remember being on the show, like, it's live. We're taping.

You're describing the scene. And I'm looking at the light rigging, the lighting rigging. And I'm like, here, I'm like, how many more lights do we need or less lights do we need to like light this many people's faces? You know, I'm looking at like, how many cameras do they have and how far apart are the cameras? You know, it's so funny. It was running through my head the whole time. It was such a great opportunity for intelligence gathering for how you shoot a TV version of tabletop, you know? Yeah. It was fun to see it all come to fruition because, you know, I'd become friendly with

Lillard, uh, right at the beginning of COVID when, um, Beetle and Grimm started working with Paizo. They, they set up an invite and to talk with each other. And then they said, Hey, do you want to, you want to guess at one of the things? So I guess, and we just, we just kind of hit it off. And, uh, so then very early on into us chatting he was like hey can i call you i was like yes matthew littleton you can call me we'll chat and he was talking about this idea for a show called faster purple worm kill kill he's like it's this thing we've done a few times and so this is three years ago this is three years ago he's like i i you know we're thinking about we want to do something bigger with it he's like i don't know

if the glass cannon network would be right for it or not. But I just want to kind of pick your brain. And then he came and – this was before he even saw us perform when he came at Gen Con a couple years back. And we had one of the best shows ever, which was excellent timing. And that friendship has sort of blossomed. And so he reached out to me about this. He's like, I would love to have you guys be a part of it. And he's like, I'd love, we're not really doing this for anyone, but I'd love to have like one episode that is like a glass cannon episode.

He's like, you tell me who you think you want to work with and we'll see what we can do. And so I got to kind of handpick the cast. And that made all the difference in the world because so many of these groups were just kind of thrown together. Let's sprinkle a couple of celebrities with a couple of nerd gamers in the space and see what happens. I'd play with you guys 100 times, never with this particular group. But all the inside jokes, the pacing, the timing, we've worked together for so long. It made all the difference. And I've heard through the grapevine that the episode that I run that you're in was one of the executives' favorite episodes. And it really – I think it has so much to do with you and I working together for so long.

We were like, this show has a very specific conceit, and I won't get into it. Watch the show. You'll see. They all have – how do we throw rocks at that conceit? How do we do something a little bit different? And I think you'll see it in have how do we how do we throw rocks at that conceit how do we do something a little bit different and i think you'll you'll see it in this episode uh it's it's great i can't wait to watch it i feel like it's gonna happen i'll be like well i missed it you know um but well that could happen that's why i like be very diligent if you want to check this out you got to be diligent about you know i don't know if any of these are hopefully they'll hit

youtube at some point down the line or whatever but like right now that's not the case if you want to see it you got to watch it live it is it's a live event and it is nowhere else so uh keep an eye on it we'll keep an eye on our social media we're going to blast out as well when we know it's coming but it'll probably be up against us it'll probably be a thursday night but it also airs at 9 p.m pacific so if you're on the west coast you could totally watch it you know after our show is over uh could totally watch it after our show is over. But after our Thursday night show is over. But yeah, it's wild. It's fucking improvised.

But it was so cool because I had a meeting with the production team before I went out there to kind of pitch my story. I had to start by pitching my monster. And the first monster I wanted to do wouldn't work because they didn't really have the rights for it. And I was like, okay. Well, and then five minutes after the call, I was like, I've got it. And I sent them. I started looking through my D&D compendiums. And I was like, I've got it. How about this monster?

They're like, let's go. So then I wrote the one sheet of like, here's the story. And here's what I'm thinking. And they were like, great. But day of, I'm sitting back there with the production team. They're like, all right, let's go through the beats again. Okay. What about this? What about that? And then I'm like walking to set to like get ready to record. And one of the Beatle and Grimm's guys pulled me over. He's like, you know, instead of this thing, why don't we just do this? And it like completely changed something that I was going to do. I was like, okay. And we're just like on the spot. I'm like, well, if I do that, then I have to do this, that bump. And he's like, great. We high-fived,

I went backstage. And the show in that moment had like a major change seconds before we went to the taping. Yeah. So it's just a really- Well, you'll have to tell us after most people get to see it, maybe a couple of months from now, if it's on VOD or whatever, and people can see it. Tell us what that was, what that change was, because I'd love to know. Just a really cool experience. And, you know, this stuff, this is what I want us to be doing is more of this. And, you know, I'm excited for people to see it. Yep.

And it certainly has that feel when we're at Campaign 2. I mean, it's just amazing. Like all through Giant Slayer, we never had producers in the room. You know, we never had other people shooting it or recording it for us so that we could just focus on having fun and playing. We're always thinking about the equipment, always thinking about the lines, always trying to find audio problems that you were hearing while someone else was taking their turn. And to have that all off our plate is amazing. And so that's why I'm having so much fun with Gatewalkers. And honestly, like, I can't wait to get back in the studio.

We're back in there next week after Thanksgiving break. We're back in there next week. the Thanksgiving break. We're back in there next week. And I cannot wait to play again. I've got some Brother Ramius ideas cooking I want to share with you. Yeah, I mean, like I said, we've recorded so much stuff that you're about to see that I think is some of the best stuff we've ever recorded. And I feel that same excitement. And that's what you have to have. If we're not excited, if we're not passionate about what we're doing, it shows and you can feel it. And I think people are really fired up to get

back in the room as well. Like we're at a really, really good place. Yeah, yeah, I can't wait. All right, well, that's gonna do it for this week, guys. Thank you so much for hanging out with us. Spend a little time with us on this on this Thanksgiving week. Yeah, go eat some pie! If you're listening to this on Wednesday, have a great Thanksgiving tomorrow. If you happen to be listening to us on the day, man, I'm having a great time.

I'm with a bunch of family on Thanksgiving. 25 of us getting together, including some family that we have not had Thanksgiving with for over 20 years. So I'm very, very excited for that. So it's going to be a great holiday weekend, a great break from everything, and then back at it next week.

And we'll have fodder next week as well. So, uh, we'll, we'll see you guys next week. Have a good holiday later. Bye. Thanks for listening to the glass cannon network for more podcasts and live

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