The Greatest Generation - A Very Wet Inferno (VOY S7E11)

Episode Date: January 29, 2024

When Voyager gets hit by a chronometric banger, no one but Chakotay can move from shard to shard. But when he takes bun Janeway hostage and starts rebuilding her a bathtub, Seska stands in the way of ...restoring the correct timeline. Does Darwin the dog have a favorite movie? What makes a holiday puzzle diabolical? Who on the ship needs really good spatial reasoning? It’s the episode that has Kazon nostalgia!Support the production of The Greatest Generation.Friends of DeSoto for Democracy.Friends of DeSoto for Justice. Friends of DeSoto for Labor.Follow The Game of Buttholes: The Will of the Caretaker!Music by Adam Ragusea & Dark MateriaFollow The Greatest Generation on Twitter, and discuss the show using the hashtag #GreatestGen!The Greatest Generation is on YouTube.Facebook group | Subreddit | Discord | WikiSign up for our mailing list!Get a thing at podshop.biz!

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Starting point is 00:00:00 Here's to the finest crew in Starfleet. Engage! Watch your back, Charlie. Hello. I'm Captain Cap, bringing what the U.S. has for the future. I'm Captain Cap, bringing what the U.S. has for the future. I'm Captain Cap. Welcome to The Greatest Generation. It's a Star Trek podcast by a couple of guys just a little bit embarrassed about having a Star Trek podcast.
Starting point is 00:00:23 I'm Adam Pranickica. I'm Ben Harrison. Coming off of a lengthy break, took close to two weeks. Off mic. Yeah. Felt good. Sorry, I'm yawning right at the top of the episode. Yeah. Are you still on break? Man. Bringing that kind of energy to the show?
Starting point is 00:00:47 I had a night last night. I've had a couple of nights. Last night, baby was, he had a little cold, so he was up a couple of times overnight. Night before, one of the most harrowing overnight wake up in the middle of the night experiences I've ever felt. Okay, I have not heard this. Tell me more.
Starting point is 00:01:09 My wife and I decided to watch a David Fincher film called The Killer. I should have known this would be because of a movie in the thriller category. Well, so I enjoyed the movie. I think my wife even enjoyed the movie. It's not really her brand. From what she saw? Yeah. You and I have talked about this a bunch.
Starting point is 00:01:34 I mean, when you watch a movie with either of our wives, 1.25 of you is watching a movie. I would say that she was pretty tuned in, except for the particularly violent parts which she watched through, flits in her fingers or just like told me, like, let me know when it's over kind of a thing. I haven't seen it. I've seen a bunch of movies during break,
Starting point is 00:02:02 but I haven't seen that one. You recommend it? I do. I would say like minor Fincher in the scheme of Fincher, but like Vintage Fun Fincher also. Mmm. I like that. You know, it's like Guy Ritchie not always doing the film that he is good at doing. Yeah. And even when he does the film, he's good at doing. It's not always the greatest version of that film. But when he does make that film, I'm always like,
Starting point is 00:02:27 hey, I like a little Guy Ritchie movie from time to time. Would you say minor Fincher is to major, I lost the thread at that. Yeah, minor Fincher is to major Tom, what I'm leaving on a jet plane is to Armageddon. Okay, all right. Yeah, that holds. It's a good movie. It's got a Resner score. And so the score is very tense and very much puts you Score is very tense and very much puts you in the mindset of a taught thriller. And this movie has like an opening credit sequence that really leans on that Resner
Starting point is 00:03:13 score. Love it. To get you in the mood. Love that. And we watched this movie, enjoyed it. Maybe watched like one episode of Seinfeld, there's a little dessert and then went to bed and in the middle of the night, the deafening sounds of the Trent Reznor score
Starting point is 00:03:35 to this movie, Fill the House. Like absolutely like TV volume to max, like we are both startled out of sleep and I am into the living room, like karate stance, like where are they? Like the, you know, like the SEAL team that has infiltrated our house and are preparing to, you know, shoot silenced long guns at us.
Starting point is 00:03:58 Where are they at? Long time viewers of the pod will know that this is a quality to you. You do not startle a Benjamin R. Harrison. He will come up in a crouch ready to fight. There are Miriam stories about me coming to you in the middle of the night in a state of readiness. Your wet dreams must be insane.
Starting point is 00:04:19 Ha ha ha ha ha ha. What had happened was the dog jumped up on the couch or shifted position on the couch and somehow turned on the TV, turned up the volume on the TV and then started the movie from the beginning. And so like- That's incredible.
Starting point is 00:04:41 I think we had watched this movie on volume 30 and the TV was at volume 100 when I found the remote and figured out what was going on. It's like all the volume. Yeah, but it's very hard to like get back to sleep after one of those, you know? It is, yeah. All of the chemicals in my brain are like the same ones
Starting point is 00:05:03 that would have happened if I had had to fight a bear or something So there's not just like an easy way to be like all right well back to sleep I Don't like this for you You got to put the remote away I mean this is me victim blaming but holy shit man Like I bet you'll put the the remote away from now on. Well, we do.
Starting point is 00:05:27 Like I'd say 95 nights out of 100 we do because also, like, when the baby is up in the morning, he always finds, like, he wants to push every button that he can reach. So having the remote left on the couch or the coffee table is no good from that standpoint. remote left on the couch or the coffee table is no good from that standpoint. We've got a white remote to our TV and Ripley just loves that thing. She will eat it like a bone if it's left out, so it's got to be put away. We have remote hygiene in our household because I've bought two remotes to replace them and it sucks. I mean, that's your fault for buying white.
Starting point is 00:06:10 I had a kind of similar wake up experience the night before the night you're talking about. We've had really incredible windstorms at night in LA. I'm sure you've noticed. That's those Santa Annas, baby. And there is a gate on the side of my home that is right next to our bedroom. And if that thing isn't closed just so
Starting point is 00:06:35 so that the strike is totally around the bolt, that thing is liable to just kind of flop open. And at about two in the morning, the wind hit it just right to blow it open. And when that gate swung and hit the house, Ripley like shot up and barked. So it was like, gate bang, bark. I got up in the Benjamin R. Harrison position.
Starting point is 00:07:02 I'm ready to go. And it sucks because like as soon as I woke up, I was like, I know exactly what that was. And not only am I vigilance awake, I've got to go outside at three in the morning and close the gate in the cold. Yeah, yeah, under pants. And if I've gotten up, Rips got to go potty outside, so I got to do that whole thing,
Starting point is 00:07:26 like restart her night. Yeah, yeah. It sucks. It sucks. Well, missing out on all of this sleep, I think, has left both of us shattered. Which brings me to today's episode of Star Trek Voyagers, season seven, episode eleven. Shattered. Episode of Star Trek Voyager, season seven, episode 11. Shattered. Reverse course.
Starting point is 00:07:47 Unless you've got something a little bigger in your torpedo tubes, I'm not turning around. Hard! Familiar scene on the floor of the cargo bay here. Some Puzzle. Some Puzzle with Naomi Wildman and Echib. The holidays are for Puzzing. Are they not, Ben?
Starting point is 00:08:05 They are. I was trying to get into a puzzle this holiday, but so my mom typically gets one for our trip home for Christmas and the one she got this year, it was a puzzle that was an image of a quilt, but all of the edge pieces were outside of the edge of the quilt. So that all of the edge pieces were like white. So you couldn't even start the image until you got the second inner row of pieces. I was like, mom, this is the most insane puzzle I've ever seen.
Starting point is 00:08:40 And I refused to even really try. Diabolical. Yeah. How many pieces are you working with? Like your parents have to know what you're capable of. Oh, they got the thousand piece. Yeah. Dude, my wife is into five caves. Wow. It's gross. That's sick and wrong.
Starting point is 00:08:59 I know. I focused all my energy on the full broadsheet crossword puzzle this holiday season. And that's sensible. We didn't finish it, but we made some pretty significant progress. You wanna know something sad? The puzzle that Naomi Wildman's working on, 16 pieces. These pieces are like the size of a cookie
Starting point is 00:09:23 you'd get from a grocery store bakery. They're too big for a girl hooray, right? Yeah, this is like, this is the class of puzzle that Daron is working on right now. Do you think this is the moment in her life where Egypt's trying to figure out which school Naomi goes to? life where Egypt's trying to figure out which school Naomi goes to. This is like a low-key kind of intelligence test. Maybe Caterians have like super bad spatial reasoning skills but are intelligent in other ways. If you've got spikes coming out of your head, you need good spatial reasoning.
Starting point is 00:09:59 Yeah, no kidding. Is she Caterian? Did I make that up? I think you got it right. I'll say you got it right. Awesome. Ben, in an opinion that really tells you everything you need to know about Eichib, he's in it for the image, not any other qualities. And Naomi is in it for the puzzle.
Starting point is 00:10:21 Yeah. You're missing the point. I thought the point was to finish the puzzle. And learn something about genetics. The blocking of the scene kind of bothered me because he's really like got her up against a wall. Why are they doing this on the floor also? Yeah, there's plenty of horizontal surfaces.
Starting point is 00:10:37 Even in the cargo bay, there's plenty of horizontal surfaces. It's a bad spot for it. Are there any areas of the ship where you take off your shoes? With everything being carpeted, you would think most of the ship would be shoes optional, right? That'd be nice. Yeah. Show up to work in your socks. It just seems dirty for them to be working on the floor of the cargo bay. The cargo bay of all places. Yeah. Well, Chacote walks in and he's here
Starting point is 00:11:08 to pull something out of his stash. He has a secret stash of Antarian Cider, the real stuff. It's not Synthahal. He is primarily concerned about Nelix finding out about it. I would be more concerned about the like late teenager teenager Ichab finding out about it, you know? Dude, I thought exactly the same thing. Like Ichab, a person who has demonstrated before an interest in experimenting, like why wouldn't he go right into that box
Starting point is 00:11:41 for that cider? I kind of feel like Chacote is trying to be a little cool stepdad here about it. Oh. You know. You think Chacote is like, I'll let the kid have some fun. Maybe. But like doing it in front of Naomi
Starting point is 00:11:57 kind of is also no good, right? Cause she's like, she's young enough to be like, Echeb did something bad and now I'm like, I'm wracked with the guilt of knowing it, and I don't know what to do about it. Wasn't the thing about Naomi Wildman's alien race that she ages super fast? Am I remembering that correctly?
Starting point is 00:12:18 Man, I just had the fucking Caterian page of memory alpha open, and now it's not open anymore. Well, we'll never know. Yeah. I think it's something like that. Yeah, maybe like by the time they get the bottle open, she's old enough to be illegally underage drinking. Oh, that's playing with fire right there.
Starting point is 00:12:37 That's the whole like going on my 21 run the day before. Hoping that at midnight, the doorman will let me in. Ha ha ha ha. Hey, you do want a drinkin' buddy? I know I'm pretty far away, but I like a bottle of cider just as much as the next guy. Throw me a can of Bruce-Kee beer. I'll catch it. Hey, Echib.
Starting point is 00:13:06 Wait till you find out what happens to your shit when you have a bad hangover. Then you'll become an assembly like me. Oh, I dropped it. Can you throw me another? There is an unfortunate shot here, I think, when you shoot each of them profile on the side of the hair part, and you get to look all the way across that perfectly straight line,
Starting point is 00:13:35 and you see how far it goes, it goes all the way back. It goes back to the choral. So we're back in Janeway's quarters when Chacote walks in, like a conquering man with that bottle of cider. Hmm. Has he given up hope, you think? I think he's keeping hope alive. I think when you show up to the hang with real cider,
Starting point is 00:14:01 I think that's hope. There is definitely a moment here where like when you show up to a hang and you're like, this might be the night and the door opens and the person that you're hoping it might be the night with is in like a fucking mood like this. Yeah. You're late. Unfortunately, so is dinner. You know right away. Yeah. Well, it's not tonight. You look at that bottle and you're like, you and me, kid.
Starting point is 00:14:34 Yeah. It's a good thing I have this pencil in the other hand. I tell you that Bill Tilly gave me a bunch of Dixon Tykonderoga pencils for Christmas. Did Bill Tilly gave me a bunch of Dixon Tychonderoga pencils for Christmas? I also have them. Yeah. Great gift. What a gift. What a great guy. Except mine were all broken.
Starting point is 00:14:54 Oh, weird. I think he's sending a message. Mine were intact. Looks like some favoritism being played. You like a home repair with a little drinking on the side? I sure do. Oh yeah, yeah. Maybe not with the power tools, but like patching something, painting something.
Starting point is 00:15:16 Those are the great drinking times. Do you think Antarian Cider has a porch beer-like quality to it? I mean, look at it. When it's that lightly colored. I like this glassware too. Yeah. So a banger interrupts the drinking.
Starting point is 00:15:32 But don't worry, Harry Kim is in the big chair. Something about reminds me of being in the womb. Get up, Harry. Who are you? Harry Kim. I got the magic stick. Parents must be very proud. Who are you?
Starting point is 00:15:43 They come as a pair. Who are you? Who are you? Who come as a pair. Who are you? Harry Kim. Who else is she supposed to get chummy with? Harry Kim and your mom very proud. Who are you? Harry Kim. They lasted 22 minutes.
Starting point is 00:15:52 And your mom very proud. Harry Kim. Who are you? Harry Kim. Stuff's kind of sliding off the rails here in a hurry. The warp course is stabilizing. Chacote and Janeway haul ass out of there and they split up. And this is a crucial moment, this split up part.
Starting point is 00:16:09 Yeah, Chacote to engineering Janeway to the bridge because Harry Kim, I mean, it's not his fault, but when they ask him questions about what's going on, he is not coming with a lot of confidence inspiring answers. So yeah, it turns out there's a spatial rift featuring neutrinos and cronitons. You know what that means. It's time travel.
Starting point is 00:16:34 This thing fucks up the warp core fast. It really does. Because Chicoche's engineering like trying to hold it together, but shit goes sideways so fast that he gets zapped with war-flightening and it turns half of his face old. Yeah. Look at half of his face.
Starting point is 00:16:53 It's too old. So they can't kick Jakota out of his house. Too old. What they have to do is beam him directly to Six Bay. That takes us into the theme song. Of course it's locked in. Do it. Listen to me very carefully,
Starting point is 00:17:11 because I'm gonna say this once. Do it. When we come back, Trocote is coming to with a Dr. Mark who is giving a performance that is a little bit vintage. Talking about, oh, in any other context, I would have gotten some award for this, but instead I'm stuck here with you idiots.
Starting point is 00:17:35 It's just another day in the life of an underappreciated E.M.H. He mentions that the bridge is not answering the phone, which is kind of our first little hint about what's going on. Pretty crucial detail, huh? Yeah, and our second is when Chacote is like, all right, well, you come with me,
Starting point is 00:17:53 let's go figure this out. And Mark was like, what do you mean, come with you? Well, when Chacote comes to, the doctor tells him what happened to him and what happened to him is that all his guts became different ages. Yeah, and he got a cronotone based medicine for fixing that. Yeah. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:18:18 So he immediately turns autistic. That's the bad news. How differently do you think this scene plays out if it's someone else and not Chico Te like if each ebbs in the bed and a bunch of his organs become different ages or Naomi Wildman? Hey, what ages your lower bowel? Your testicles are 80. But your penis is 32. Yeah, wow. Just looks like a slingshot. Yeah, so Dr. Mark, we come to realize
Starting point is 00:19:04 is unaware of the mobile emitter because this is pre-mobile emitter Dr. Mark. Takote takes a lunch pail onto the elevator and heads toward the bridge, but on his way up, he loses his lunch. That's great. I love it. Great take to camera here when he holds his hands like, what happened to the lunch pail I was just carrying.
Starting point is 00:19:30 I wondered when Chacote got into the lift, what this angle was all about. Like, not usually flattering to an actor, not usually heroic for a hero. Kind of a weird shot choice here until that blurp happens. Yeah. This is the only way you could shoot it to really show that blurp
Starting point is 00:19:50 because if you're shooting him head on, it just kind of drops like a curtain in front of the camera. I don't think you can sell what's happening at all with a normal angle. You gotta be shooting up, right? Yeah, it's a low dolly shot and it does sort of lay bare some of
Starting point is 00:20:06 the sins of the set design because there's some of those like padded panels that are supposed to be like tucked up behind a section of wall that comes down in front of them so that that light, you know, there's like a drop light that wins the elevator and you can see up far enough that you can see where they kind of just like, where like, fuck it, just tuck that fabric up there. Yeah. That's fun. I like seeing those details, though. I do too. You know, in SD, it's probably better than it would be in HD.
Starting point is 00:20:37 But yeah, it's a cool camera shot. On the bridge, he grabs Harry Kim by the upper arm and Harry Kim does not recognize. I don't know her. Ben, this is a terrible look for Harry Kim, right? Because it is revealed in a moment what mission they're on and when. Like, they're hunting Chacote down.
Starting point is 00:20:58 Presumably, everyone on the bridge has seen the Wanted poster at least. Like, they know who they're looking for. How does Harry Kim not know him by reputation? Gotta read these dossiers. It's bad luck. Maybe he's such a greenhorn that it's the uniform that throws him.
Starting point is 00:21:17 He's like, he's so low in rank that like he just has to respect anyone who looks like that. But he's got the like, you know, not pips, but the provisional rank thing. Yeah. That the Maquise wear. So why does, does Harry Kim know what that is even? He can't, he can't know.
Starting point is 00:21:36 He wouldn't know. He shouldn't know. Janeway pops up and she's got season one bun hair. Yeah. And then a flash to Kote got season one bun hair. Yeah. And in a flash, Chico-te is at dust buster point. Yeah. They've felt that there's some anomaly going on on the ship. So they're like, it must be because the Maquise have infiltrated
Starting point is 00:21:53 and it's all his fault. And I love that Janeway is like contemplating the idea that she has been caught with her pants all the way down by the Maquise. Like they went out to like find this guy and he is sabotaging their ship on their way. Except Chikote has never caught me that way ever, ever. And he never will. Her incredulity is great here.
Starting point is 00:22:17 Like I love that line she rides of like hearing him out but not believing. Yeah. This is Star Trek. He could just be telling her a Star Trek story. Yeah, but the Occam's razor of like, I think you're just sabotaging me and your temporal anomaly story is bullshit is great.
Starting point is 00:22:35 So she sends him straight to the brig and they get in the elevator and he's just lost his lunch on the elevator. Now he loses his escort. There is no way in hell. I would remember 10 minutes after this, which turbo lift went to which timeline, which hallway took me to which timeline?
Starting point is 00:22:58 I'd get lost. I would die this episode easily. Yeah. Good job by Chacote holding it together. If he started like tattooing it into his skin, would the tattoos get stripped away? I love that. Or is his skin impregnated with chronometric medicine and it would stay and you could do a memento thing.
Starting point is 00:23:19 I love the idea of chrono meemento, the episode of Voyager. That would rule so hard. Yeah, that'd be great. He diverts the elevator to engineering as soon as he's free to do so. And when he arrives there, he finds an invasion force of KZON, led by none other than Seska.
Starting point is 00:23:44 Seska. Ses other than Seska. Seska? Seska. She a real bad bitch. A pejorin crewman with a Kardashian physiology. She wouldn't do something like this. Don't you feel nostalgia for the K-Zon? I do.
Starting point is 00:24:01 K-Zon nostalgia is real. I thought they were goofy as hell in the first couple of seasons. I came to respect and like them. Yeah. I mean, they're a really scary villain, you know? Like they really don't give a shit about what you want or need.
Starting point is 00:24:16 No. And whether or not you are standing in their way on the way to what they want and need. And they just kind of of feeling a force of nature that's impossible to understand. Love seeing Sesca again. Yeah. She's so bad.
Starting point is 00:24:30 She's so bad it's good. She patches up a boo-boo on his head and starts kind of villain monologuing about how she's taken over the Voyager. It's not looking good for Shikota here. Is Sesca pregnant in this timeline? Oh man. I consider myself a Voyager viewer who pays attention.
Starting point is 00:24:53 Yeah. And a lot of these threads were hard for me to remember. Yeah, I mean, is this the scene in which she gets pregnant? God, I don't know if that's the expectation on the table. I mean, what else can that little light she waves over his head do? What else could it repair? Right. In order to keep the temporal prime directive intact,
Starting point is 00:25:14 he has to fuck her. One of our more interesting missions. What does that thing do to blood flow? This timeline is about five years ago when she took over the Voyager with the case on. This we knew. And well, once Chacote starts telling her the story of like the time travel he's doing and he sees how little that does, he tells her that instead they're about to retake the ship.
Starting point is 00:25:42 And Sesca's like, no, fuck that. Get to a computer and tell him to not do that. And so he makes for a computer panel, but he starts swinging first. Yeah, it's great. Do it, do it, do it, do it, do it, do it, do it, do it, do it, do it, do it, do it, do it, do it, do it, do it, do it, do it, do it, do it, do it, do it, do it, do it, do it, do it, do it, do it, do it, do it, do it, do it, do it, do it, do it, do it, do it, do it, do it, do it, do it, do it, do it, do it, do it, do it, do it, do it, do it, do it, do it, do it, do it, do it, do it, do it, do it, do it, do it, do it, do it, do it, do it, do it, do it, do it, do it, do it, do it, do it, do it, do it, do it, do it, do it, do it, do it, do it, do it, do it, do it, do it, do it, do it, do it, do it, do it, do it, do it, do it, do it, do it, do it, do it, do it, do it, do it, do it, do it, do it, do it, do it, do it, do it, do it, do it, do it, do it, do it, do it, do it, do it, do it, do it, do it, do it, do it, do it, do it, do it, do it, do it, do it, do it, do it, do This is a bad scene for Sesca. This just seems dumb. I mean, the caisson shouldn't be this easy to trick. This is the kind of thing they should be doing to each other all the time if anything we've
Starting point is 00:26:16 learned about their culture is to be believed. So anytime you get somebody in custody as a caisson, you just assume that they're gonna try and swing on you at first opportunity. So anybody being surprised here is pretty shameful, but he manages to get up to the second level of engineering and when, I guess he's like throwing his gun because he's like getting to the top of the ladder
Starting point is 00:26:41 and needs both hands or something. Is that why he throws it? That has to be and that it disappears through a portal is just incidental, like a surprise. It was a confusing scene for me though, because it's the first time they establish that you can go through the portal and still see what's going on on the other side
Starting point is 00:27:00 if you're him. Right. So he goes through and is like looking down at Sesca, but then she and the K-Zon are looking up at an empty platform up there. So I was like, what is happening here? That's what he's trying to figure out. Also, if there's steam coming out of the warp core and there's cronitons, why can't they draw a smiley face in the cloud of steam? Very good point.
Starting point is 00:27:29 So Chico-te has escaped into Six Bay through a Jefferies tube. And he does that thing all time travelers must do by TV and film law. He asks what the date is. He learns from Dr. Mark that this is about a year before their little adventure in LA with Sarah Silverman. And so that's why no mobile emitter. And they kind of figure out like the ship is fractured into different time periods and Chacote is the only one
Starting point is 00:28:03 that can travel between them and stay aboard the ship. Was it ever said in this scene or any other when we're describing the problem that the ship is going through that this issue only happened with historical events to Chacote and not future events, because I kept looking for the future imperfect portal that Chacote would jump through. And when it never happened. Well, there's just the one that's in the future, right?
Starting point is 00:28:34 The old Naomi and Ichab. Yeah, that one almost doesn't count for some reason. Yeah. Like it obviously counts, but I guess I was expecting something darker. Yeah, well, I think that that one sort of only exists in the context of this adventure, right? Because like once they get to the end and undo everything,
Starting point is 00:28:59 like that future isn't even a possibility anymore. Right, right. But yeah, so they talk this over and he's like, what I need is like more of that medicine, but also in a container that I can take other places on the ship. So if you could also do chronoton magic to the hypospray itself, then we got something here.
Starting point is 00:29:20 Could you make the whole plane out of a black box, if you will. I love the logic of this. I know it's a simple piece of dialogue and a simple idea, but yeah, like I like when reasonable people make reasonable requests in science fiction. This holds together. I also like Chacote just like walking back out of the bridge and then being like, what? You? We just sent you to the brig. What are you doing back here, you silly goose?
Starting point is 00:29:49 I love Kim pulling a dust buster. He's got a dust buster back there? Yeah, just like on the table. I guess every bridge station does. I know. But he doesn't even have to like open a drawer or do anything. It's right at hand. What I love about this scene is that Chacote does another thing that time travelers must do in TV and movies, which is try to prove his identity by sharing some deep cut trivia. But the line he's walking with Janeway in front of everyone is not to say anything embarrassing, because before he has the opportunity,
Starting point is 00:30:28 Janeway is like, okay, let's move to the ready room. Like, he goes on about the dog and Tom Mervins and her interest in music and that little mole right next to her, okay. That's about enough of that. I'm not the only bridge officer with a tattoo. You got one in college and it's okay, okay, okay. We'll finish this discussion in my ready room.
Starting point is 00:30:56 In that ready room, Janeway is examining the hypospray as they talk and there's like a rando security guy in the back, Andrews. Andrews is going to be very important in a few seconds. Because she's like, OK, so you claim this hypospray will make me see things your way. What is it, furlough mushrooms? Yeah, I mean, she's like, I'm not going to just inject myself with a thing that the like, you know, number one most wanted man in the Mayquise walked onto my ship with. That's not something I'll do. This is not the academy when I got that tattoo.
Starting point is 00:31:36 I'm not in my experimental phase anymore. So, you know, he's like trying to do this the diplomatic way, but then decides to do it the take a hostage way instead. Chacote gets Janeway in the grasp, like hypospray to her neck, and walks backwards through the door into the corridor and Andrews, God, Andrews blows it here. Because Chacote is like, put the dust buster down, man. Or I'm gonna poison her right in her neck. And Andrews does that thing where he like, lets the dust buster drop and then blap.
Starting point is 00:32:18 In goes the hypospray. And Chacote has just learned from Janeway that somebody disappeared going down this hallway. So here's a pretty good hunch that this is a great direction to head with Janeway. And he's right. Maybe the most Star Trek conversation that's ever happened in Star Trek happened in that room where Chacote is trying
Starting point is 00:32:36 to tell Janeway the story of time travel. And Janeway was like, well, our helmsman did disappear certainly and we have no answers for why. But I really am going to need a lot more evidence to believe your explanation. Like that's just the course of business for her. It would be like if you were to visit me from the future and I were like, well, yeah, I mean,
Starting point is 00:33:01 my mic stopped working earlier on in the day. I don't know why I haven't fixed it yet. Like... That's just business as usual. Yeah. The experts are my other recording studios. Anyway, bad look for Andrews who gets name checked like three times here. I feel like that rarely happens to a rando.
Starting point is 00:33:21 Yeah, must have won a contest. I think that rarely happens to a rando. Yeah, must have won a contest. But Chicoate and Janeway can now see Andrews and the other randos that show up on the other side of the barrier. There is a whole episode in Andrews' timeline where he lost the captain. She's gone.
Starting point is 00:33:41 He is in so much trouble. He is gone. He is in so much trouble. He's like, I am demonstrating myself to have a warf level proficiency in running security aboard a Federation starship. And I am pretty stressed out about that. I mean, they went that way and now they're gone. What do you mean they're gone, Andrews? Yeah. You watched the whole thing.
Starting point is 00:34:07 They're gone where? I think Andrews' next stop should be taking off his combat and putting it on some Admiral's desk. Yeah, that would be a good choice, I think. Are they underway at this point in that timeline? I guess. Or are they still at Deep Space Nine or something? I don't know. And I was also trying to think of like did,
Starting point is 00:34:29 like the Helmswoman disappeared going down this hallway. So if you're not injected with Chronoton medicine, where do you go when you disappear? I mean, I thought for sure they would encounter her. Yeah. Because they go encounter her. Yeah. Because they go to that same place. But they do not, she's not there. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:34:54 RSVP, that helmsman. Yeah. I'm giving you an order. I'm giving you an order. That's under spread. I'm giving you an order. I'm giving in. You have just crossed the line.
Starting point is 00:35:05 Janeway gets released and they talk about it. She's like, okay, so now I can go on the shattered chip wherever you can go. And he's like, yep. And they're talking it over and she's like, okay, well, I do want to... You've piqued my interest. And he's like, well, let's go to the ass lab where they've got the temporal scanners. And we can get into this a little bit more. And she's like, ass lab, what mean?
Starting point is 00:35:31 Boy, it doesn't have an ass lab. Deck 8, section 29. See you there. Harry designed it. I will design it. Harry Kim. She had such a great ass. Great ass.
Starting point is 00:35:41 Here she comes. Great ass. The ass lab requires additional energy. We'd like to enhance the ass lab. Let's see. He makes the case on their way there that they should be together, right? Like now's not the time for splitting up.
Starting point is 00:35:53 Yeah. Because it's dangerous to encounter a future you're not prepared for. Yeah, they have this big long conversation on the elevator where he really spills the beans again on the elevator. Are he the temporal situation? They find people in the hallway that are like knocked out and this might be the nebular that was trying to eat them.
Starting point is 00:36:18 It might be something else. There'd been a couple of times when everybody was asleep just all over the ship. I love the runner. They have this episode of just all over the ship. I love the runner they have this episode of just all of the episodes where they almost died. And like, with how efficiently all of those episodes are compressed into this one,
Starting point is 00:36:37 how it really feels like Bun Jane Ways Future is not a good one. Like when things finally like come to a head with her later on, you totally get it. It's funny because for him, it's a clip show. Yeah. You know, it's like a, I'll remember when episode, but for her, it's like a, and then I have to do what?
Starting point is 00:36:57 Oh no! Your clip show is my life. Your clip show is the fire in which I burn. So in the ass lab they encounter old Eichib and old Naomi Wildman. And did you recognize the actor who is playing old Naomi Wildman? I didn't. It's the orbit gum lady. Fabulous. Whoa. Old Naomi Wildman? I didn't. It's the Orbit Gum Lady.
Starting point is 00:37:25 Fabulous. Whoa. Isn't that amazing? Wow. Old Echeb was in RRR, that big action movie. Still haven't seen that. Oh, it's great. I mean, it's a trip.
Starting point is 00:37:39 I really enjoyed RRR. It's on my list. I just haven't gotten her yet. Yeah, both working actors, they're working the problem here. Like the temporal sensors are even better than what Chacote is expecting because they're 17 years into his future now.
Starting point is 00:37:57 And this is bad, right? Like they're still stuck somewhere not in Federation space, presumably, if that's the case. Yeah, and Janeway and Chacote are long dead. So it's kind of weird to see them again. From this, right? Like it's like this disaster is what killed them, presumably. Yeah. I mean, the description of the scene is like there's nothing left of the area that they were in.
Starting point is 00:38:25 Thank God I wasn't over there. Thank God the sewage system doesn't even route through that part of the ship right? Be out of a job. So nothing to bury then, huh? Old Echib. What about old Echib's brother? That's a guy too. Oh, that's right. Echib's brother is very old now. 17 years of mopping up scum.
Starting point is 00:38:55 What a thing. So Janeway is like, we need to counteract the surge that caused this, and they explain the thing about how that section of the ship is just gone, despite the fact that all the renders that they've shown of the ship from the outside appear to be totally intact. Wouldn't that be great if they're rendering just had a blown out part of the ship? Come on. That would be awesome. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:39:19 They don't know where Seven of Nine is. She is not in this part of the shatter. This is another mechanic that I didn't get though. Like if, I guess you can't go from shatter to shatter, you can't go from shard to shard, I guess what I should call it. You know what, there's a visual language to this too, right? Like they're always in a place of a different time,
Starting point is 00:39:41 and then they're in a corridor, and then they go to a place of another time. Presumably everybody is stuck in the time and then they're in a corridor and then they go to a place of another time. Presumably everybody is stuck in the time and place that they started in. So they want to get seven so that she can help them figure this out. And so the first place they had is the cargo bay. So we get the little hallway sequence and Janeway is horrified to see what is on the other side of the door when it opens up. And it is full of borgs. And this is pre-de-assimilated seven. This looks even worse for Jerry Ryan than initially when she was pre-XB7, right?
Starting point is 00:40:29 It just looks like she's wearing a leather boot on her body and face. It looks so uncomfortable. Yeah, yeah, when this script landed on her desk in her trailer. This had to be so disappointing. This is what we're shooting next. Like, oh no. No.
Starting point is 00:40:49 Pretty rough. Yeah. She goes into this explanation of like what the Borgs do to protect their ship from getting out of temporal sink like this when they go through a space butthole. And oh, like if we could just like run conduits that could project a super strong chronotone field around the ship, we could force it back into sink.
Starting point is 00:41:14 And they're like, yeah, but the ship is shattered into a whole bunch of different parts. Like how are we gonna like snake conduit through it when half the parts are full of caissons that don't wanna to work with us. And Janeway comes up with the idea of using the bio neural gel pack system that the ship is equipped with. I love this as an idea, right? Like to the extent that this is its circulatory system, like start shooting it with hypospraise. It's great. Yeah. So if they inject the same medicine
Starting point is 00:41:45 they've been injected with into the quasi-alive parts of the ship, they can fix the problem. And finally, we've got like an action plan to solve this. We're in the corridor so much this episode, just as we are after meeting seven. And this is another one of those, what was that about type of conversations? And Chacote uses this moment as a way to further demonstrate how close he and Janeway become in the future.
Starting point is 00:42:20 But all this does to me is reinforce that Janeway probably saw Tom Mervins that morning. Like Tom Mervins is so present in Janeway's life here and throughout her life this episode. It kind of breaks the story for me knowing how fucking down she is. Your intelligence file doesn't do your justice. Was she looking for a way out of Tom Mervins the whole time? down she is. Your intelligence file doesn't do your justice. Was she looking for a way out of Tom Mervins the whole time? I mean, look at him. Only Mervins for the clothes you love to live in.
Starting point is 00:42:53 And look at your coat, come on, hubba hubba. Yeah. And you know, he's quoting Dante to her. Nothing floods a basement like Dante, right? You're making it an inferno down there, Ticote. A very wet inferno. It felt a little unethical, though. Like, he's totally read her diary and is now, like, quoting it back to her,
Starting point is 00:43:21 you know, in place of Riz. Like, it really felt like he was putting the moves on her in this moment. You're not wrong about that because it felt like he was kind of Sereno de Bergeracking himself at her. Like he's got the playbook. He can start seducing her seven years ago and get it right. I won't need these pencils anymore.
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Starting point is 00:47:29 Listen with friends and family of all ages on MaximumFun.org or wherever you get podcasts. There are three things to remember about being a Star Wars ship cat. Keep your shirt tucked in, go down with the ship and... So they go down to Six Bay where Dr. Mark has created temporal bandoliers for them to wear around the ship as they inject gel packs. He's talking to Janeway and it's a real loose lips type of deal. He really lets slip with a lot of details about what her future holds
Starting point is 00:48:12 that are pretty uncomfortable news for her to receive. Yeah, X-nay on the odd drent clay. Dr. Mark. A delta quadrant. Is that what he was about to say? Yeah. I love the line temporal prime directive. Remember? It's a good thing these bandoliers don't look stupid, right? It is. They look cool.
Starting point is 00:48:40 Like they kind of look badass in a way that they need to. These are shotgun shell bandoliers for real. And they sort of had to be. They look like something that Schwarzenegger would wear in a movie set in the near future. Yeah, yeah. In a good way, I would say. Yeah, I dug them.
Starting point is 00:48:58 Janeway's like, for efficiency's sake, and so that I don't keep getting so hot and bothered while I'm trying to be faithful to my mid husband. Why don't we split up? I swear I'm only staying with him for the dog. Is this another love me, love my dog demand? Yes. Chacote shoots this idea down.
Starting point is 00:49:22 He's like, we wouldn't be able to be in touch with each other because the comms won't work across all the shards. So no splitting up. And I'm gonna keep romance in that ass. That's just it, isn't it? Like the seduction potential really falls off if you split up here. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:49:38 He's like, no, you can't take a separate ride to Vegas. Like the whole plan is to be in a road trip together alone. The very specific reference Ben, I get it. I get it big time. So she's just peppering him with questions. Like they're going around, they're injecting neural gel packs and she's like, so you're the first officer, how's that work?
Starting point is 00:50:04 Lot of questions, natural questions to have. Like, how did we get stranded in the D-quad and what the fuck is a macro virus? Yeah, like what about our future relationship resulted in this virus? At this point, I feel like Janeway has been told eight distinct mission references that are horrifying. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:50:32 And like there's a totality to this that is starting to add up here. It's overwhelming. I mean, she doesn't seem to care about the temporal prime directive as much. I think her interest is just like way too peaked. And every corner they go around is another weird situation. Like the next one is the Captain Proton game
Starting point is 00:50:53 where she is forced to play along with Chaotica and pretend to be the queen of the spider people. And like, yes, ending does not come natural to this era of Janeway. So she's rolling her eyes hard the entire time and they just need an in so that they can inject this gel pack. But she tricks chaotic into doing it. How lucky are they that they walk in
Starting point is 00:51:22 on the most innocent holodeck program on the ship and not like Tuwak fucking his hollow wife. Ha ha. So yeah, they got a good one here. The next one is BLT and a bunch of Mayqueese hanging out in the transporter bay. And it seems like they are going to be hard to outwit until Chacote just pulls the I would never lie to you BLT, you know. Like one little platitude and she's like, all right, go ahead and inject whatever that is into the gel pack.
Starting point is 00:52:11 This is one of those lines of dialogue that only works on screen and never in real life. Like try to think of a time, Ben, when you have said the words, try and understand. When you're trying to convince someone of something and it works, this is amazing, this power you have. That's all you have to say. If I ever said the phrase, try and understand to my wife,
Starting point is 00:52:35 there would be divorce papers under my nose before there was a period on my sentence. I'm in complete agreement with you. Yeah, it would happen to me too. Try and understand. It struck me at this point that we had not seen Tom, Paris, or Nelux at all yet in this episode. And I was like, we didn't see him in the Captain Proton.
Starting point is 00:52:56 That would have been the place to put him. Yeah. Am I making any sense here? Yeah, instead he's put in the mess hall. That's where Chacote's time period actually is. Yeah, this is like the immediate aftermath of what they went through, and there's just a bunch of red shirts with burger all over their face. Nelix is there, and so is a freshened up Tuvok, just brandowing all over his cot.
Starting point is 00:53:22 Just brandowing all over his cot. Neelix is so great with the morale of giving Janeway a fresh hot cup of black coffee. And that morale is about to take a massive hit with this death of TuVoxxine. It is pretty rough. Yeah, but you don't want to have just drank black coffee when somebody brandos, you know, because you might brando yourself by accident. It might ruin coffee for you. Yeah, the clip show has not been fun for her, and this moment is really devastating.
Starting point is 00:53:56 Death of Tuvok, RSVP. This inspires Janeway to come up with kind of a new plan. She's like, look, it would appear as though at the bun timeline still has potential here, my timeline. How about we kind of put the time fractures of the ship together so that it reassembles there so that I have a chance to stop all this from happening? What about the temporal prime directive?
Starting point is 00:54:24 To hell with it. There's coffee in my timeframe. What about the temporal prime directive? To hell with it. There's coffee in my timeframe. What do you think about that? She loses her will to fight for the future. Yeah. In the elevator. It always gets lost in the elevator, Adam. Mm-hmm, mm-hmm.
Starting point is 00:54:36 Mm-hmm. Giacote is not ready to give up. He sees a potential in a future where she has been separated from Tom Mervins. But he would like to continue in that direction. And he makes a pretty convincing argument. It's a little presumptuous to think you have the right to change everyone's future. From what I've seen, they'll thank me.
Starting point is 00:55:00 She kills, but she also saves. This is argument. Thank me. She kills, but she also saves. This is argument. Yeah. It's a hell of a bit, and it's actually convincing. Yeah, but they have to go deal with Sesca now, and they're gonna try diplomacy with Sesca,
Starting point is 00:55:19 but you always gotta have a plan B when it comes to Sesca. So. I mean, in more ways than one, am I right? Mm. You're picking up when I'm putting down. She seems like game to do this injection, mostly because it's too silly to be made up, right? I love the K-Zon react here to this.
Starting point is 00:55:47 The K-Zon are like, SESCA believes this guy, what the fuck? What are we doing? By the way, hey, K-Zon, what are we doing? What is this? What is any of this even? All she wants to do is fuck Chakote. She seems to be screwing up this plan. What am I doing Henshin of this even? All she wants to do is fuck Chakote. She seems to be screwing up this plan.
Starting point is 00:56:06 What am I doing Henshin for this lady? Made some bad calls in my life. I gotta like re-examine some of my choice-making if this is where it's led me. Yeah, yeah. She sort of sees her timeline as the one she wants to preserve. She's like, maybe what we do is reconfigure
Starting point is 00:56:26 your little gel pack stuff so that it reassembles the timeline right here where I have control of Voyager and then I can stop you from retaking it because you keep talking about me having had the ship in the past tense and I don't like the sound of that. I want the ship all to myself indefinitely. I like that Janeway had the idea of reassembling the ship in her timeline and Sezka having the same idea in the scene that follows right after.
Starting point is 00:56:54 It makes her seem more capable as a bad guy. It does. It was really fun to have her back here. Yeah. And it was really fun when, like, I'm a little bit sad we didn't get the scene of Janeway going around recruiting the team because I always like a recruiting a team sequence.
Starting point is 00:57:12 I also regret Janeway and Chacote not having a scene on the corridor after this where Janeway is like, boy, she really had strong feelings about you, Chacote. And was she pregnant? What's going on there? Exactly. I got distinctly pregnant vibes. She was wearing like flowing clothes as though she was trying to cover something up about
Starting point is 00:57:38 her lower body for the camera. Yeah, Really great. Justin's a coward. The captain's a coward. The captain's a coward. The captain's a coward. The captain's a coward. The captain's a coward. The captain's a coward. The captain's a coward.
Starting point is 00:57:51 The captain's a coward. How great do Tom and Harry look jumping over the side of the upper deck of engineering onto those caissons? I mean, really great. You're talking about missing the assembly of the team scene. We get an A- A team scene with this jump It's great. It's great old the each ebb and old Naomi Wildman run in Everybody that we've met in all the different scenes is running in to help them
Starting point is 00:58:16 Including a bunch of the Mayqueese and stuff, but sesca gets one of her Dustbusters to Janeway's head and that sort of stops the fight right in the middle of it. Sort of looks like Ceska's gonna win the day here. Janeway's been in this position before, in this episode. Yeah, she keeps getting taken hostage. Yeah. And people keep losing things in the elevator. I love the unnecessary door open
Starting point is 00:58:46 for sevens entrance into this area. Like she goes in through a portal. She doesn't need the door to open. What's happening? I don't know. What's the door even reacting to? It's not like she's on the other side of the door in this timeline.
Starting point is 00:59:02 That's exactly what my thought is. Yeah. Breaks the episode, but she rushes in and, uh, you know, Sesca tries to lick a shot at her, but she's adapted. It's a real Borgix Makana. Truly is. And, uh, this is the first time we cut to the exterior of the ship. And we see it with kind of a glowy aura around it still sort of in the influence
Starting point is 00:59:28 of this weird nebula that they've gone by. So now that the whole team has been injected, they've been able to finish injecting the last of the gel packs. Janeway's running at this time for one last injection. Sounds great. Yeah. She's like, do you know anything about bathtubs and their manufacture? I'm just getting to know you. So, question I asked most of the men in my life that I feel these kinds of feelings towards.
Starting point is 00:59:57 I love this before sunrise energy that Jane Ways got. She's going to shoot this shot. She's gonna shoot this shot. She's like, hey, this right here, this is electric. I haven't thought of Tom Mervins even once on this whole mission. This is a war-flightening level of electric. Now tell me, have we ever crossed the bathtub barrier? Chico de tastes like,
Starting point is 01:00:27 no, but you know what soaking is, right? You could say we've soaked. I could say I'm soaked right now. I mean, given that, did you want him to kiss? She knew that she was going back to a timeline with zero repercussions, zero memories even. I wanted them to more than kiss. I mean, I don't think there's time for that, but...
Starting point is 01:01:00 She's the captain. She could order everyone out of engineering and have him bend her over that railing, you know? My favorite way of relaxing. The Chicoche Janeway romance industrial complex would actually have something here. Oh, yeah. I'm sure there are myriam pieces of fiction
Starting point is 01:01:18 written in the context of this episode. Janeway pulls her hair out of her bun. And oh my God god she's beautiful. Whoa. What? What? What? The room is spinning. Am I in another temporal loop? What's going on? Chagotay you gotta take her to prom. Then she finds out that it was all a bet,
Starting point is 01:01:46 and it seems like she's gonna pull back at the last minute. Am I a bet? Am I a fucking bet? Oh man. Yes. She doesn't know how much he's changed since he made that bet, is the thing, you know? That is it. How much she's changed him. Mm-hmm.
Starting point is 01:02:02 Yeah. Yeah, she just gotta forgive his many lies. His many, many, many lies. The web of lies he's weaved around her. If she could just try to understand. That would be great, yeah. Yeah. I mean, it would be easier for her to try and understand
Starting point is 01:02:22 if she wasn't so busy handing divorce papers to him. God, I know. So she gives a great, like, none of you are gonna remember this captain's speech. We've heard a lot about like what's gonna have to happen when they put this into effect. They trigger the pulse or whatever that's gonna snap everything back into sync.
Starting point is 01:02:43 And now it's Jakoté's job to protect the ship from the blast that caused this. He turns the deflector into a lightning rod. And we just see lightning hit the deflector and the deflector go dark. And the ship kind of get out of there. And Chacote shows up on the bridge and Janeway's like, why did you do that? I love how he walks in, like he saunters in like a hero. And the Janeway react is, what the fuck?
Starting point is 01:03:18 What did you do? The energy he has in this scene is so much more explicable if they had implied that they had fucked in the previous scene. Ooh, you said it. Like he is fully refractory when he walks in here and is like, don't worry, I can't explain everything, temporal something, something. Let's go finish that dinner, you promised me, captain.
Starting point is 01:03:41 To go day walks in smoking real cigarettes Just ashes it on Harry Kim's head It had the button on the episode is them like post dinner finishing off that Antarian cider Question for you, Ben. Did you peep the table in the scene, the glass table? I did. Did you peep what was on that table in addition to like the flower arrangement? Did those look like Vienna fingers?
Starting point is 01:04:17 They were eating? Oh man. What was the last time you had a Vienna finger? I loved them. I was picturing time you had a Vienna finger? I loved him. I was picturing those as being molanos, but I guess, yeah, I'm looking more closely and I don't see the ribbon of chocolate and mint that would have been in a molano, so I don't know.
Starting point is 01:04:38 They look like sandwich cookies. Yeah, it's a good cookie, the Vienna finger. I think so. Can you even get them anymore? I think it's due for a comeback. I don't know. I'm going on majorinternetretailer.com and seeing if Vienna Fingers returns any results. It looks like there's an urban dictionary entry
Starting point is 01:04:58 for the Vienna Finger. Oh boy. Yeah, the Kiebler company still manufacturing the Vienna finger sandwich cookie. Hey, that's great. Yeah, that's promising. Good job, Kiebler. Yeah, way to keep the dream alive.
Starting point is 01:05:18 Janeway still super questioning about time directive, violating questions and Chico-tee Te trying to keep her off of it. But it turns out she's a little bit more savvy than he might have given her credit for. She knows where his stashes. Does this suggest that she knows where all stashes are? I mean, I like that idea. I like that she knows her ship in that much detail.
Starting point is 01:05:43 It's pretty cool. Yeah. It's a real power move. It really is. As a man with jazz gummies in the house and a baby that I do not want to find or ingest those jazz gummies, I put a child tamper-proofing setup on the drawer that they are in. And I thought you were gonna say you keep them in a gun safe. Well, it just, it made me realize
Starting point is 01:06:09 that every time we've had a babysitter in the house. Oh, they're wondering what's in the locked nightstand drawer. Exactly. And I don't like that. I don't like that feeling. I don't like that it sort of advertises to everyone, including my baby, that there's something I don't want the. I don't like that feeling. I don't like that it sort of advertises to everyone, including my baby, that there's something I don't want the baby having in there.
Starting point is 01:06:29 You're not wrong, because as Picard says, a mystery is irresistible. Yeah. Well, it seems like that's true of Janeway as well. And she knows all about the stash of cider. Lot more clever than Neelix. You should just keep your gummies up in like a rope and net system that you use when you're camping in an area where bears are, you know?
Starting point is 01:06:55 Oh. Just keep it up high. Sure. A net system made out of leather. Did you like this episode, Ben? You know, I'm really easy to get along with most of the time, but I don't like bullies. I don't like friends and I don't like you. Oh boy.
Starting point is 01:07:15 I thought it was a lot of fun. I thought it was a clever way of doing a, hey, remember when episode without making it just feel like warmed over scenarios from past episodes. It's like people ripped out of their context and thrown into this episode in a fun way. Yeah. You know, I think that it also works for me on a rhymes with the kind of shit they were getting up to in season seven of TNG level
Starting point is 01:07:50 Like it's like a I don't know what about parts of the ship or a different time periods What could we do something with that like? It sort of feels like warf's birthday, you know Doesn't it feel like an episode where like the writers room probably had a list 50 things long of Stuff they could encounter or people who they could bring back. And they like just cross through like unavailable, too expensive, too time consuming.
Starting point is 01:08:15 Like through reduction, you get what you get here. Yeah, but it's not like this feels like the cheaped out episode. No. They did a couple of really exciting special effects And I really like the mechanic of the of the time portals that they're going through Be dunks and Garrett Wong jumped from a balcony. Yeah, that's fun. It's a fun. So I Don't think that the episode stands up too much scrutiny if you're like looking for some kind of coherent plot Whatever if you're like looking for some kind of coherent plot or whatever.
Starting point is 01:08:47 But I liked returning to Will They Want They Chacote Janeway. Like at Chacote, you could really see Slurp in the Bathwater from the drain of Janeway's bathtub in this episode. Yeah, he's going to salt burn that bathtub, huh? For that reason, I really liked it. How about you? Really strong episode. One of my favorites in a long time. I don't know, maybe I'm just a sucker for time travel,
Starting point is 01:09:13 Star Trek's, or maybe it's just like, when was the last time we got a Chacote-centric episode where he was the guy? Yeah. It's been ages. It really has. Nice to make him the hero guy. Yeah. It's been ages. It really has. Nice to make him the hero again.
Starting point is 01:09:27 Yeah, really enjoyable and also really fun talking about all the things we didn't see on screen like the stuff you know is running in the background. Yeah. Story wise, this ep, I thought was really fun. I think one thing for Down the Road, can we just replace young Naomi Wildman with this older version? I really think she's great. Yeah, she brings a wintergreen like freshness to the episode.
Starting point is 01:09:52 Yeah, I like it a lot. Fabulous. All right, Adam. Well, do you want to see if there's anything fresh in the Priority One inbox? Oh, Ben, we've got Priority One messages fresh and clean. Like both of our mouths. Mm. Priority one message from Starfleet coming in on Secure Channel.
Starting point is 01:10:11 Need a supplement link. Supplement. Supplement. Supplement. Yeah, it's extra. By the interest alone, could be enough to buy this ship. Our first priority one message is of a promotional nature. The message goes
Starting point is 01:10:28 like this, Dear Adam and Ben, thank you thank you for reigniting my love of Star Trek dirty jokes and truly awful puns. The worst. Dad approved. I don't know what this person is talking about. We've only had really high quality puns on the show from what I remember. Only the best puns. After one year of adventures with the big D, the little D, the deep V, and soon the OGE, I'm finally caught up. Wow.
Starting point is 01:10:55 You've inspired me to let my Trek flag fly and join a fantastic community of fans in a Trek play by email writing community, a hobby I had dropped for 15 years. To my new FODs, come join me! To my new SB118 family, sorry, thanks BNA for the awesome pod, so check it out, Ben. At Starbase118.net you can learn more about this play by email writing campaign that they're doing here. Isaac, this is Isaac in Orange County. It's a role-playing game that you play by email? This is amazing. You can't play a
Starting point is 01:11:41 role-playing game over email. You're gonna fill up your inbox! Heh heh heh heh heh. Inboxes on free-to-use email services are traditionally limited to one or two gigabytes. Plenty of space for the amount of text that a normal human uses. But nowhere near enough to accommodate the volumes and volumes of text generated by nerds. Wow, what a thing. Yeah. I can't say I've ever played one of these, but I get it.
Starting point is 01:12:13 I get it. I get it too, man. That's all you need. This sounds fun. They've got a whole, they've got a Discord, they've got a Wiki, they've got forums. You know what this sounds great for? Being at work Yeah, like can you imagine being in the office? Oh, yeah, I'm just writing an email, but it's
Starting point is 01:12:33 Play by email Writing community RPG. Oh man. Come on Tremendous and yeah, hey man. I hope if any other SB 118 people find our show Through this person's membership. They enjoy what they hear. Oh, yeah Sure, they will Our next priority one message is from Laura from San Francisco. It's to Ben and Adam goes like this Hey guys recently purchased the major league Dom Jot T-shirt assuming it was so obscure that no one would ask about it. Unfortunately, it generates constant questions
Starting point is 01:13:13 to which I have to sheeplessly reply, well, it's a Star Trek joke from a Star Trek podcast. Anyways, thanks for that and genuine thanks for the years of fun from my favorite pod. Thanks for that and genuine thanks for the years of fun from my favorite pod Laura you're not making it any better for yourself by saying what you're saying Yeah, that's that's only gonna inspire more questions, right? Yeah. Wow Wow well Kavya dem tour by or beware if you go to podgeop.biz and pick something up. You might get questions. Love that shirt.
Starting point is 01:13:48 Ben, our final priority when message is from Molly. It's to you and me that message goes like this. One presupposes that HIPAA would not be laugh out loud funny, but you did it. Sending scarves and renaming my HIPAA policy doc, HIPAA Podopodamas. Ha ha ha ha ha ha. Thanks for making the world a bit brighter. Hey, thank you Molly.
Starting point is 01:14:13 Ha ha ha ha ha. That was an inspired comedic moment right there. Oh man. Ha ha ha ha ha. A lot of us have had to learn a lot about HIPAA and what it is and what it is not over the last few years. I'm glad that we could add a little fun to what is a pretty dry subject.
Starting point is 01:14:33 That's our mission. Yeah. Well, if you'd like to support our mission, head to MaximumFun.org slash Jumbotron and get yourself a Jumbotron. We'd sure appreciate it Let's keep the lights on around here. Hey, Ben. What's that Adam? Did you find yourself a drunk Shimoda? I'm gonna give it to Tom Paris for not showing up in the captain proton section I mean I understand like they needed to write their way out of the Captain Proton section and they kind of got stuck
Starting point is 01:15:09 in there for longer in the episode than I think that they meant to. Like it felt like that scene was way longer than all of the other like, oh, we're visiting this timeline. Here's what was happening at this time. And here are the people that are important in it for later. Like the Captain Proton scene is the one scene that they go to what was happening at this time. And here are the people that are important in it for later. Like the Captain Proton scene is the one scene
Starting point is 01:15:28 that they go to that they don't get anybody back out of for the big fight scene at the end. And it also takes the longest. Yeah. And it just mostly felt like Tom Paris could have saved their asses in that moment. But he was too busy helping burn victims in the lunchroom in a different time period, I guess. My shimotas from this scene also.
Starting point is 01:15:53 It's Janeway and that face she makes going into commercial after realizing how tedious the whole Captain Pro-Ton program is. Like before she gives herself over to the idea that like, God, it would just, like we could get through this a lot faster if you just played the game. Yeah, yeah. That face when she realizes she must play. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:16:15 Great face. Great face. Great choice by Kate Muguru. That face contains an entire monologue about what if we try to reassemble the timeline before I hire Tom Paris for this mission? Right. Right. Pretty great. Let's figure out what we're going to do next on the show. What do you say?
Starting point is 01:16:34 For that, I'm going to go over to the Game of Buttholes, the will of the caretaker band, while you tell us what's on deck for the next episode of Star Trek Voyager. The next episode is season 7, episode 12, lineage. Belana is strangely disturbed by her unborn child's Klingon traits. Okay. I mean, because they come as a surprise to her. I guess this is gonna be another episode
Starting point is 01:17:01 that's all black and white because it's all shot on sonogram. Is she disturbed because of its total absence of Klingon traits? It's only a quarter Klingon, right? Is she having it with Tom? Yeah. That's what I'm saying. I don't know.
Starting point is 01:17:17 I don't know. Am I the roller? Yeah, you're the roller. All right, Ben. Our run about on square four, first row. The game about holes. Six squares away. We've got a caretaker square.
Starting point is 01:17:31 They could send us anywhere. You're required to learn as you play. Roll. That'd be a fun bit of business. I'm gonna roll this die. Really would. Sadly, I've rolled a five. Tula!
Starting point is 01:17:46 Did I win? Hardly. Oh. Which keeps that square just next. We're on square nine. Wow. Which means the next episode will be a regular one for you and me. Okay.
Starting point is 01:18:01 Well, I like a regular episode and I'm looking forward to this one. Looking forward to saying hi to everybody online. When this episode comes out, use the hashtag greatestgen to talk about it. Send messages to the at greatesttrek social media account and our buddy Bill Tillies over there manning those and retweeting funny stuff and making it a fun place to hang if you're an FOD. We gotta thank our producer, Wendy Pretty, without whom none of this would be possible. You know who else makes this all possible, Adam? Friends of DeSoto, step up and join at MaximumFun.org slash join.
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Starting point is 01:19:06 How'd you guess? Did I just undo all your work? Ha ha ha ha. People have to go to podgeop.biz to see what I came up with. Okay, exciting. Yeah, with that we will be back at you next week with another great episode
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