The Greatest Generation - Conspiracy (Plus Ten Years) (DS9 S2E23)

Episode Date: July 30, 2018

When Major Kira and Doctor Bashir get a flat tire while going through the wormhole, the nearest exit takes them to a place that looks like home. But when they arrive, they find O’Brien responding to his life in the same way he always has. What can’t you give away in prison? Is Bashir just a dorky Dad? Is John Roderick from the Mirror Universe? It’s ten pounds of episode in a two pound bag!

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I'm Ben Harrison. Ben Weir in the... It's the next day. It's the day after the 4th of July. Occasionally we don't talk about the specific day where we record things, but I feel like it's germane to what's going on with us today. We know what's on deck.

It's a quirk-spar episode, but for many, it's maybe more of a drinking holiday this year than any other year. That was one of those people. Ben, did you celebrate in any particular way? We have some friends who have an apartment that overlooks the lake near our house and has a fairly spectacular view. And they're faced in the right direction

that you can see the Dodger Stadium fireworks over the hill. Oh. So we went over there for that. What I did not realize is that the neighborhood of Los Angeles that I live in is a real hotspot for fairly astonishing volumes of illegal fireworks. Like, I want to say from like about an hour before the sun went down to about three hours after the sun went down There was just a sustained like Fallujah level of

Explosion noise going off all around us all the time. Wow. It was Totally unbelievable like we had you know a 180 degree view of a huge swath of East LA and it was just fucking mayhem the entire time. Like we saw somebody shoot a Roman candle into a palm tree that then caught on fire and like the fire department had to come put out the tree. Wow. It was bonkers. Is this something that you like and enjoy? Well, I'm also a dog owner and they really upset my pup. That is what I was getting at. Yeah, it's hard for me to not be just thinking about his feelings all the time, especially given the fact that I tend to minimize

the importance of my own feelings. So having somebody else to worry about is a really attractive situation for me. I, this is my first fourth of July as the person for a dog. Yeah. And it was not pleasant. You. Not pleasant to see this special guy, this good, good boy fall apart over the course of a day.

Yeah. And he did not do great at all. Yeah, man. My neighbors told me that they, they medicate one of their dogs on Fourth of July because he has such a tough time with it. We, we got some veterinary CBD from our, our local pet shop. Uh-huh. I've seen this and I thought about buying it, but then I was like, that some veterinary CBD from our local pet shop. I've seen this and I thought about buying it,

but then I was like, that is very expensive and I don't really know if I even believe it or not. Well, I think your dog will vary and obviously this doesn't constitute veterinary medical advice. Oh no, you're not. It did nothing for Sprocket. As directed, we gave him the prescribed dosage the day before, the morning of, and then

the evening of July 4th. And I detected no change in his level of stress about fireworks. I'm sorry to hear that, dude, that sucks. It sucked for him. It also sucked for my wife who went to work as normal this morning, as frequently happens on a midweek holiday. She was up early and back to work today,

but she mentioned that she hardly slept at all because Raka was standing and panting and back to work today, but she mentioned that she hardly slept at all because, because Raka was standing and panting and breathing next to her side of the bed, basically all night. Oh, buddy. Which, I mean, she had no safe harbor in the bed because had she turned away from him, she would have been faced with my panting. And breathing. On my side of the bed. That's not good. Nobody wants that out of them. Neither of us got much sleep.

And I did consume a lot of beverages yesterday. So getting back up on the horse today for the July 5th episode. We both forgot this was a drunk episode until like a few minutes before we had to record. It is frequently something that you want to plan around. Yeah. I've come around to the idea. I have a 32 ounce bottle of a local beer that I've been wanting to drink for a while. Oh yeah? That I think will make a great accompaniment for today's episode.

And it does. And it's an awful lot of ounces. It is from a local brewery called Urban Family. It's called Northwest Nectar. It's a tart saison with local nectarines, Ben. Wow. But I thought a little bit of a sweet flavor would help the episode go down. What do you think?

Is the Pacific Northwest particularly known for its stone fruit? Of course not. Not at all. I mean. But a friend of the podcast works there and hooked me up with a couple of bottles, so we'll see what happens. Right. What are you going gonna drink on the show? I'm drinking a spiced rum out of St. Lucia, called the Chairman's Reserve.

It's kind of a basic spiced rum. I don't think it's a real basic bitch rum. I think if you've had a Captain Morgan spice rum, you can probably imagine that but slightly less garbagey. It's basically how I describe this. It's nice, it's an easy sip, you know, I'm just having that with some ice. I feel like I have been doing beer on a lot of

episodely and finding myself insanely burpy. And I try to that is a thing. You know, I want to edit it out. I don't I'm hoping it's not super evident to people. It's not ruining because you know, I hear that. But I feel like save ourselves some some work in post production. I think you're going to be editing this episode. So why not spare you all of my burps and drink something a little bit stiffer? That is great.

What a sweet, sweet gesture from you to me. It's the gift that keeps on giving, Adam. This is says that it's tart on the label, and they're right about that. It's almost a goose amount of tart. Oh, like those goose is. One thing I will say at them is that if you get testy, I do have beer at the ready.

In case I need to unload some burps on you. Let's hope you don't cross over to beer span on today's episode. It's season two episode 23 of Duse Based 9. It's crossover. Do you realize how many credible this is? No! Ah! Ah! Ah! No, of course you don't. And I feel like the establishing interior shot here is split diopter, like right away. Yeah, there's some-

And pretty fancy camera work in this- in this first scene. Flashy, for sure. We've got, uh, your boy, Dr. Bashir, and your girl, Major Kira. He is not my boy, Ben. I renounce Dr. Bashir. I mean, he has really swung wildly in this season, hasn't he? This is a bad app for him. Like, he comes across as the old Bashir of season one.

If you don't like Bashir, you might like this episode for what happens to him, but unfortunately, what happens to him doesn't go far enough to feel any kind of the tharsis. I get the bends. Every Bashir we get, it's a different guy. I mean, we tend to get a lot of road trip Bashir episodes. This time he's paired up with Kira,

who is just like, really having to marinate in his company in kind of a terrible way. Like, she tells him he has a headache, which has got to be a thing he hears all the time. And all she wants is a little piece in quiet to meditate and Bashir just can't shut his yapper. I mean, I dig her discomfort here, but Kira, you're in a fucking winnipego. Go to the back.

Yeah, go to the back room that we know is there with the giant conference table. You're not in a bunk bed. You got room to move around. Yeah, she does not take this opportunity. Instead, she comes to the realization that Bashir has no sense of conversational space and is quite clearly the loud breather and yoga. What are you doing?

He is just that guy. He just cannot turn it off. In through the nose, out through the mouth, lion's breath. Ha! He's really awful in this scene. And Kira, fairly patient. He pushes her buttons. And I think he's mindlessly pushing her buttons,

but she does let it get to her when he kind of slags off her favorite musician or whatever. You know. That's a good point, Ben. Like you mentioned that he might not be able to help it. Does that make it any better? I don't know. It's not like, but she was trying to annoy her, but he should know better. My dad used to do that bellows breath thing, by the way.

Unlike- Oh, that's a real thing. Unlike long car rides, if he was like feeling sleepy behind the wheel, I'd do that. So I was a little like transported back to a dorky dad vibes in this scene. God, he is a dorky dad, isn't he? Is he a dorky dad without the kid?

Yeah, he's got like, like when he's out of his star fleet, you uniform, he's just got like a pair of sketchers and like a apron for grilling that has like some Dorky slogan on it. I mean, where's the ball cap that he got for free? It like an event at an orchard supply and hardware. He is flipping those burgers a lot. Like, an unnecessary amount of flipping of that meat.

Well, he read that Jake Kenji Lopez alt article about how maybe flipping a burger a lot is a good thing. I don't prescribe to that at all. Yeah, you think you're smarter than Jake Kenji Lopez alt? I don't believe that Adam. In this particular area I am, you'll leave that meat alone.

That guy's a scientist, he knows what he's doing. Drilling is supposed to be fun. I don't want your science introduced to my cooking. It's sort of why I stopped using the immersion circulator as much as I used to. Mm, you're not sous-vidingy that much? Like any piece of gadgetry I am enamored with early on.

I used it once or twice a week when I first got it. Now I'm just using it to make eggs. That's it. It's making a nice egg that sous-vide technology. At the 4th of July thing I went to last night, my friend handed me the tongs when I walked over to take a look at his grill. And so you must have been great friends.

You keep an eye on this buddy. I'll be right back. I swear I'm not leaving you with this. And then I had to like finish 100% of the grilling. Whoa. I thought this was gonna be like a demonstration of like culinary intimacy, but this was a dereliction of food duty. I think it was like uh... dereliction of food duty

i think it was like fifty percent dereliction of food duty and fifty percent you know that's just gonna get done right if you leave in bent hands uh... fuck off is that the reputation you have that's you is like this guy's read a j canji lope is all article to what the fuck i don't even know who that is that you're referring to. Is this the, uh, the Neil deGrasse Tyson of food that you're talking about? Uh, he doesn't do the thing where he's an asshole to somebody because they were wrong about

something. Um, that's just a thing you do. Mmm. Yeah. I mean, I think that the spears making me mean, Ben. Mean beer. That's a great pull-up back. That's a great endorsement for a beer that somebody gave you for free, presumably for some promotional reason. The article that I refer to by Jay Kenji Lopez-Al is on seriouseats.com.

His food website. He's even recommended lots and lots of flipping for steaks. He's gone on to steaks and recommended that. Keep your mouth off my steak. Jay Kenji Lopez-Alte. Did you go to MIT, Adam? I forget. Where did you go to MIT, Adam? I'm just, I forget. Where did you go to school? Went to a kitchen stadium university. Home of the spatulas.

Anyway, Kira and Bashir head into the wormhole on their way back to DS9 and wouldn't you know it. I think like most recreational vehicles, tire pressure is crucial. Oh yeah. And I think they have a little bit of a blowout here. What's wrong? The bolt feels not full of connection. If your tires are not properly inflated, it can lead to pretty unfortunate things like slipping into the mirror universe.

Which they do, which is shown visually in a couple of interesting ways. There's the accompanying flash of interdimensional travel. I feel like that's a thing. It's less, it's less concepty than the time travel sequence in Star Trek IV of the voyage home. Sure. But it is noticeable. The one thing you're going to want to do is break that center line on the camera.

And they, upon the bright flash that accompanies interdimensionality, they move the camera across the center line. And now we're shooting from behind. And they also go to wide ass lenses. Like this, a lot of the rest of this sequence is shot on some real fucking wide lenses. And like they come out of the wormhole, they're like, boy, that was a bumpy ride.

We really have to chew the chief out when we get back to the stista station. What happened to-st-st-st-st-st-st-st-st-st-st-st-st-st-st-st-st-st-st-st-st-st-st-st-st-st-st-st-st-st-st-st-st-st-st-st-st-st-st-st-st-st-st-st-st-st-st-st-st-st-st-st-st-st-st-st-st-st-st-st-st-st-st-st-st-st-st-st-st-st-st-st-st-st-st-st-st-st-st-st-st-st-st-st-st-st-st-st-st-st-st-st-st-st-st-st-st-st-st-st-st-st-st-st-st-st-st-st-st-st-st-st-st-st-st-st-st-st-st-st-st-st-st-st-st-st-st-st-st-st-st-st-st-st-st-st-st-st-st-st-st-st-st-st-st-st-st-st-st-st-st-st-st-st-st-st-st-st-st-st-st-st-st-st-st-st-st-st-st-st-st-st-st-st-st-st-st-st-st-st-st-st-st-st-st-st-st-st-st-st-st-st-st-st-st-st-st-st-st-st-st-st-st-st-st-st-st-st-st-st-st-st-st- and these dudes beam aboard like Guns Drawn like pistols out. You can tell this is a cramped area because when there's four people in the front section of a run about the only place you can stick a camera's on the floor shooting up. Yeah, it's all shot from a high hat. Like a high hat is basically just the top of a tripod, like screwed onto a piece of plywood. So you've got the camera shooting basically a way step on everybody and up everybody's nose.

It is one of the weirdest choices I've ever seen camera work wise in Star Trek. And they shoot the whole scene this way. There's multiple camera positions, multiple angles, they cut around. You need a certain face for this not to be a horror show of a composition because this is about the most

unflattering angle you could shoot any on camera person with. Like it's bad. It's bad in most cases and yet no one looks ugly in the scene. You've got our two looks ugly in the scene. You've got our two lead actors in the scene are probably... I mean, I just think they're both extraordinarily good looking. Yeah, and not just Star Trek good looking, but just generally good looking.

Generally good looking. And then the Klingons look more Klingon-y. Right. It's interesting that this angle does a lot to deemphasize the things about cling on that we associate with cling on this, namely headloaf. But still, they really read as imposing and threatening. I mean, I think that obviously the camera angle is giving them a lot of help in the imposingness department, but they're very cling ony despite the camera angle.

Good day not to wear the Utila Kilt by these two guys. They be on board and upon seeing Kira like recoil in something adjacent to fear, I would say. Like they are not feeling K, present-seer. Yeah, it's not quite fear, but it has the same real estate values as fear. It's not in the same school district as fear, but a lot of the same services are available. And the Academy Award for dumbest analogy goes to... Often the fear neighborhood is the first to gentrify.

Right. You start seeing Trader Joe's pop-up where you didn't think one would do. Oh yeah, where once there was a funky coffee shop. Now it's a really hoidy, toyty coffee shop that's doing pour-overs and you know playing vinyl records and you know all of all of the fancy stuff is in town now. You know bus service is really improved in fear. I noticed that uh that alternate side parking rules are now being kind of enforced in fear because

they're really trying to keep those streets sweeped. Ben something happens here before we go to break that I think foreshadows the way that the story will be told going forward, which is the Klingons beam off, Kira and Bishir look at each other and do nothing more than shrug their shoulders before going to DS9. I think what this is an orbiting major. Yeah, and I think what this is indicating is a speed to the story efficiency that is too fast. It's much, much too fast for what they're trying to do here

because it kind of feels like a feature film level of story like number of story beats, but in a 45 minute episode. I think we'll get to this when we talk about whether or not we like the episode, but this 10 pounds of episode in a two pound bag. And they cannot talk about whether or not we like the episode, but this 10 pounds of episode in a 2 pound bag. And they cannot talk about what just happened because they need, they're on a timeline, they need to hit DS9 before the break.

They get to meet the, the, the intendant and they do. They like walk onto the station. They meet a gold garrick. My name is garrick, which really just doesn't sound right, does it? It's a little too alliterative. Yeah. But he looks great. He is an actor of the quality that can flip that switch. Like he carries himself like a goal and he is a believable goal. Yeah, I think.

He walks like a goal. He talks like a go. The other person we meet is is Katzu Kira. Ben and good lord. I've often admitted to being at least Kira curious. Ben, if I were to like choose a Star Trek sexuality a treksuality, if you will. This episode confirms my suspicions. My type is Kira. She like shops at the same store as Darth Vader, but in the sexy section. She is a resplendent in her leather cat suit.

And a lot like Garek, it is not just a costume change for her. Her physicality is different. Yeah. And so is Garrick. Like, this is not just superficial mirror universe shit happening with a change in facial hair. This is a lot more than that.

And it really works. Yeah, she is like so much swagger because she is, she's the apex predator. Like nobody can get her. That word I think is so apt because she's pantherlike in this black cat suit. Go to culture, to culture, go to culture. So for all that's made about the alliance

between the Klingons and Kardashians and then later on the Bajorans, of which she is one, like, there clearly is a hierarchy to this alliance, and Bajorans is the bottom. And she wields a ton of power on this station. Like, it is not the power of someone who is third on the podium in this alliance. Like, she kicks a lot of ass there. She wields a lot of power. I mean, I think it's kind of the locality of the station. It's revealed later on that Gerek has been gunning for that job, wanting to make an attempt on her life in an elevator the entire time and can can't do it, like she's better than everybody.

So let's run down our Mirror Universe characters that we get to know in this episode. We've got Intentant Kira, the Benzisco of the station right now, her exo is Garrick. Mm-hmm. We've got mine supervisor Odo. And this is important because as soon as Kira and Bashir arrive on the station, Bashir is thrown in with the rest of the Terrans to work mind duty.

It's kind of like, Terracnor is kind of operating the way occupation Terracnor did, where there are some sort of like semi-insleeved people working on mining and everybody else treats it like a casino, but the enslaved people in this case are Terens. So in the post-TOS mirror universe, it seems that Terens really got the shit end of the stick. I think if you're a Terran working the mine supply chain, the station's probably the better place to be than in the mine itself, right? Like the processing station is what Teraknor is.

The mine is down on the surface. Yeah, they imply that there's some like different casts among the Terran's, like there's Theta's and Lambdas and stuff. Big Beno is not gonna wanna hang out with us, we fucking suck. Like we don't get much about that, but it seems like they're sort of being divided and conquered in an interesting way.

No, there's not enough time for that, Ben. We gotta move forward, we gotta meet not your friend, O'Brien. I am Chief Miles Edward O'Brien. This is fucking spectacular. He's kind of like the station's janitor. And his status is such that like he's given additional freedoms because he's a handyman. He's kind of the low class version of what he is in prime universe.

And for that reason, mind supervisor Odo is a little less harsh on him, but one person who he is especially harsh with right off, right from jump is Bashir. Because Odo and Bashir do not get along in any universe. And in putting Bashir to work, she seems like Bashir is a lost person in a place where he doesn't belong. And Odo does not give a shit. Yeah, Bashir doesn't know any of the rules of this game yet.

We'll see to it that he learns that. To Odo, Bashir reads as a wise-ass piece of shit who claims to be a doctor, claims to be a fancy lad, and he keeps slapping him, and asking for his designation. Yeah, that doesn't work. Yeah. What's your designation at him? Sorry. You don't have one. No, like that's my designation. Oh, you're designated Canadian. your designated Canadian. Ha ha.

Ben, it seems like bats are really a mirror universe thing. There's a, in one of the next scenes, mirror universe Kira is in one and through a nifty bit of composition and camera work, rises up out of her bath into a towel and then into a robe. She's really taking the coming to America style bath, where she's got like some people that are there to bathe her. Yeah. Is John Roderick from the Meary Universe that he is a noted bath enthusiast?

I don't know. Intendent Kira has taken a great deal of interest in Major Kira. You know, she doesn't have a lot of people on her life that she can trust. She loves that this is another one of her. She is aware of the prime universe, like she's educated about this issue in a way that like, Gal Garrick is not. Ben, I feel like her interest skews into seduction in a weird way. Did you get that vibe?

And what's going on here seems pretty pervy, doesn't it? I think that that may be that our judgment as heterosexual men is a little clouded by how ridiculously good looking she is. Because she is for sure like slinking around and like striking a bunch of poses that I find very erotic. There's no such thing as a non-romantic grab of someone else's chin as you're talking to them. There's no plutonic way to do that. I guess not. I mean, I certainly would not do that to anyone but my wife and maybe not even my wife. You certainly wouldn't do that to a version of yourself, Ben. You don't even like the jacket. You mean like in the mirror? Yeah. Hey, good looking.

All right. Getting a little too messing there, I see. Well, be ashamed to put that to waste. Only you would seduce yourself with two messants. Man, if I could, if I could muster that much compassion for myself, I would be a much healthier person. Benjamin R. Harrison, compassionate masterbader is the goal, really. Yeah. Is that what you tell your therapist?

I want to eventually turn the corner into literally loving myself. Yeah. Like mirror on the ceiling, looking up at it during. Another person we get to meet here is Ben Sisko. Yeah. Who low key operates a slave ship operation. Is that what it is? That's what I got the feeling of. I honor her by collecting duties. Mm-hmm. Ha-ha-ha! I was soared from vessels that pass in this direction. The case that he makes is like he does runs for Kira, and those runs often include supplying her with things and people.

And the head cannon that I put in there was that the people end up working in the mine. He scoops up Terens when he can. Wow. And the reason that he's working in the mine. He scoops up Terrance when he can. Wow. And the reason that he's not in the mine himself as a Terrance, or the rest of his crew is that he's kicking back, right? Yeah, he's fun for her. Yeah.

They have a kind of a fuck buddy relationship that I guess means she affords him quite a bit more autonomy than your average Terran gets. But it, you know, he's kind of a Han Solo-y kind of guy. Like he's, you get the feeling that he's a criminal element that the state has a good relationship with. Yeah, that Han Solo comparison, I think, is very apt. He's a real jump over the bar

and pour yourself a drink kind of guy. He's a real jump over the bar and pour yourself a drink kind of guy. He's a real jump into the tub because it's clearly a two person tub sort of person. Yeah, and he does jump over the bar because Korku is a much less flashily dressed version of himself in this universe gets arrested for being the guy that is secretly on the down low trying to help Terence smuggled himself off the station. There's something about how Quark looks that is also different in the mirror universe. And prime universe quark is loaded up with a bunch of thick curtains as a costume. When you disrobe him and just stick him in like the onesy that he's wearing,

he looks diminished like in that way too. He's not a successful bar owner here, but to see his giant head on top of a smaller body, it makes him look unhealthy and desperate. He looks frail, yeah. Yeah, that's what his vibe is. It really makes me appreciate the work that the costume department does on proportionality on this show. Like, I think that low-key, it's super good for all the characters.

Like, we talked about like Cal Hudson wearing his con-beds low on his chest in an earlier episode. Like, the way they use the size of elements of costumes to make people look better in this show is like super on point. Yeah. And that's even true in like one-off costumes. Like I think this court costume is like very intentionally

there to make him look the frail list and most diminished version of himself. I think Armann Schimmerman does great here by not cartooning it up either with his attitude. I think makeup wise he looks tired, like more tired than maybe he's ever been. But he's not acting drunk to act drunk. It's subtle. Do you think anybody believes that we're not really getting drunk in this episode? Well, I would invite them to fuck off, that's what they think. I'm drinking the Spirits fast as I can. Where are you at W slash R slash T 32 ounces?

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nobody really cares about him. It's a lot more like the way O'Brien was on the Enterprise than he is on Deep Space. You know what? That's interesting. And if Mirror Universe O'Brien is seen as a tragic figure, then I think you must consider TNG, Aura, O'Brien to be the same, right? Right. Yeah, because I guess he's the only person that can shoot a thing into a backlit wall panel. That's all he does throughout the episode. Yeah, he's always got a panel open and he's fidgeting

with whatever's inside it. He's curious about his parallel universe counterpart. And Bershier is uniquely qualified to relate what that guy is like, telling him about the friendship they have and the wife and daughter that Chief O'Brien has and the position he has in the hierarchy on the station. And just like Quark and many of the other characters, O'Brien doesn't like fall to pieces at this news. It sounds like he got the lucky draw between me and him. This doesn't affect him in a strong way,

but it doesn't make him think. Yeah. And that thinking we'll come in handy later, concurrently Garrick is in Kira Prime's room, and he's there to warn her about something. She'll never let you leave, you know. Can't you tell? There's this infatuation that is undeniable,

and whatever Mirror Universe Kira has told Prime Kira about helping her escape back to her universe is a lie. But Prime Universe Kira can assist Kira by helping to take her place because Kira has a plan and the plan is to kill Mirror Universe Kira, replace her with Prime Universe Kira, and then have Prime Universe Kira resign, and then go off with Bershir a little later off to wherever. Yeah, and the insurance policy is going to be Bershir. He's going to keep Bershir under Cardassian control so that Kira agrees to the second phase of the plan wherein she resigns because you know your mirror universe person is not to be trusted with being suddenly raised to power and I'm sure that you don't trust anybody else with that either.

It's a ton of leverage. Yeah. So this is a big evil plot and I think Garrick is aware that he is taking a big risk bringing Harry into it. True career advancement requires risk. I mean, what we know about the Mirror Universe is you can become captain of something just by killing the captain, right? But he's sneakier, and he sees the arrival

of Prime Universe Kira as kind of a cool advantage that you could potentially play. It's tremendous leverage because poor Bashir is down there slaving away in the mines. From time to time, prime Kira can sneak down there and have some soda voce conversations with him. I don't know why they let her do that. Like, Odo is framed in the background, like mean mugging them both whenever this happens. Yeah, and that, and that, uh, cling on lady with the, uh, with the nipples on her uniform that keeps following Kira around. She's got a cartoon drill bra going.

What's that vehicle that they drive around in Ninja Turtles that like that's exactly the one that comes to mind right drills around under Yeah, it's the evil put climbs mutant monster turns out a mirror universe Cisco as the same appetites as Prime universe Cisco because Kira goes to find him hanging out, like at a personal buffet. Napkin tucked into uniform. Prime universe Kira knows she's going to need some help if she's going to get out of the situation. And so she asks me, her universe, Cisco for this help. Right.

And she's kind of, she's kind of thinking that this is going to be, Cisco cut from the same cloth as the Cisco she works with and she's more right than I think he knows in this scene like he kind of throws it back in her face and he's like I take care of me in mine and I'm not I'm not out here to like start a political revolution or anything like What helps the viewer not get super frustrated with Kira here, I think, is that Bashir and Mirror Universe Kira are the only ones who really know how the Mirror Universe works. Like early on, Mirror Universe Kira talks about Kirk's trip back to the Mirror Universe and how it destabilized the Taren Empire and led to their fall in the face of the Alliance

of the Klingons, Cardassians, and Bajorans. But Kira didn't know that. Perhaps you'd recognize the name Kirk. No, I'm sorry, I don't. And so she isn't super clear, I think, on how strong the mirror works against the people that she knows, which is why I wasn't upset when she goes up to Cisco, you know, thinking that there's goodness in him because she has no way of believing how much of that maybe contained in him or not. Right. It also makes me wonder how much evil is potentially in prime Cisco because he does kind of

wind up on her side of the situation, right? Which could only mean the presence of that evil, right? Yeah. So like Prime Karrick, it's put in a ball gown. She has to show up to this party. Karrick is very creepy and leering on her. I do hope you'll save a dance for me. I think a lot is going to be made about this gown and like

the cat suit and all of this stuff, but I just want to say again like the seduction has to do with her attitude. Right because prime kira is in the same gown as mirror kira and it means two totally different things like she feels like exposed and vulnerable as Prime Kira, but as Miracira, it's like she is rocking it in a very sexually provocative way. I think you're lucky to have Ninovizator play this part for that reason. Yeah.

Because you've got to be able to do that in the same outfit. Yeah. It's a degree of difficulty thing. You know, this is a party, but we also know that this is when Garrick is planning on doing his dirt. And so the stakes is high. And we catch up with Bashir in the,

like down in the work section, and he's just totally wiped out. Like, I think he's made a couple of bad choices here. Like, there's a scene earlier where he's like eating his, his slop and decides that it does not comport with the highest ideals of food. So he just gives it to somebody else. Yeah, he's gonna need a strength.

Come on, man. Yeah, you don't give your food away in a situation like that, man. You give your food away in prison one time and you're going to be given it away the entire time. That's no good. If you get locked up, you beat the shit out of the first shape shifter you run into and, you know, establish some dominance, demonstrate to the other prisoners that you are not to be fucked with. If we didn't have Bashir, I think we'd have a pretty loose grasp on the passage of time, because the passage of time is red on his uniform and his hair. His uniform is fucked up.

I think we could call it a totally bedraggled at this point. Like, scorch marks and he's just sort of sopping wet. Yeah, like mud all down his shit. Scrabble eggs all over his face. But there's like a there's like a thorium leak or something. Right. Yeah, you can't leak that thorium. Yeah, but she kind of exploits this this moment of chaos to to beat up a guard and take his sidearm. And as he and the other Terence are running out the door, he sees Odo spot him and go to

drive his weapon and he wastes Odo on the gore setting. Odo goes up in like a Ghostbusters 2 level Ectoplasm explosion. This is maybe my favorite special effect that Star Trek has ever done. This is so upsetting. It's the best Odo effect we've gotten on the show for sure. Because they definitely blow up some real glob, right? Yeah, yeah. And the cut is perfect.

It's so good. I know that this is never going to happen, but like the HD transfer of deep bass nine would be worth it for this effect. Just to see more resolution on this. It's so cool. Ben, I want to do a little punch up on this scene. I can. Okay.

How much more rugged would it have been if Bashir had to shoot O'Brien in order to escape the mine. Because as it is, like the relationship between Odo and Bashir is, I mean it's there, but it's so it's so much less grounded than the one between O'Brien and Bashir that like for as as terrifying as the Mirror Universe is, and for as tired and bedragalist Bishir becomes by by the midpoint in this episode, like I wanted him to come to a moment where he was truly put to the test about what he was in the prime universe and what he has to become to survive the Mirror Universe.

He's never tested in that way. And I think this would have been a good moment to do that, especially because the utility of O'Brien isn't super necessary. Like O'Brien knows his way through the Jeffries tubes and through a couple of corridors. But I think you could have... But you could just have Bishir know how to do that. Yeah, I think the rewrite could mean that he just finds his way through those areas without the need for an escort Especially because they get captured by the Klingons in a moment right like it It's not actually moving the story forward that he needs a Brian's help. It's just it's just putting a Brian in front of Cisco at the end Yeah, yeah, which like we could have gotten to a million other ways

I think this is what Star Trek Discovery did especially well in things concerning the Mirror Universe. Is it made its characters have real feelings about that, about meeting their counterparts and stuff? And about having to make awful decisions, you know, like you're trading your soul for survival in a place that's terrifying. Yeah, Bashir is just a POW.

And even Kyra isn't necessarily put to that kind of test. Like she never has to choose someone to die. I mean, it will say that like the fact that O'Brien gets fucked by Bashir's escape does have some weight to it. Like you really do feel bad for this guy at that point. Like Bashir could have made it read as he had taken O'Brien hostage when they got grabbed by the Klingons, but you know, like that, I mean,

I don't know if that's bad writing or good writing, given like where we're at on Bashir, but it's interesting. It definitely was interesting to see. We don't know if it's bad or good, but it so easily could have been either with the addition of a choice, a choice that he's never given. O'Brien gets a great monologue here when he's being sentenced to death to give his true feelings to Mirror Universe Kira. But were you thinking? This is also a columnini like Loki showing his own chaps off. I mean, like unmistakably O'Brien, but also

like such a radically different O'Brien. Yeah, it's not the desperate fuck you that a character gives when they know they're about to meet certain death. It's like a real introspective monologue about how things might have been different for him and like how Bishir told him about a version of himself that had hope and a reason for living that sounded so much better than the life that he has now. If I can change, you can change.

Everybody should change. I love that ECU on his face as he's going through that too. The camera pushes in and pushes in and pushes in until he's filling the frame. Their sentence is low death in the promenade. Bashir next to O'Brien. Rough stuff. And we cut to that scene where they kill Bashir and O'Brien and that's the end of the episode.

... I know we do that joke more often. Yeah, the cut to theme. That's a great one. I think the problem is the, like, TNG cut to theme. That's like a, it really hits. Yeah. But the cut to theme on D-Face 9 doesn't hit that hard.

Maybe whenever we make that reference, we cut to the cut to D-Fame. Hahaha. More, more, more,lazing with his crew. Yeah, Bence Solo shoots first. You better believe it, baby. Sure does. This scene looks like it is the kiss of death and then it turns out that Ben Sillo had like gotten all of his, you know, crazy scarred up Terrens in on a plan to kind of like take the station

hostage, release these prime universe dorks and start the Terren revolution or whatever have you lost your mind boy band I'm kind of feeling a a chay style t-shirt with a bensisco space in the middle What do you think about that? I love arguing with assholes on the internet atom I have only one idea and it's not even a good one It does not sell particularly well Sure doesn't. You know it does sell well. Everybody, Fulipa, Sobriero's,

I'm sure I'm mispronouncing his name, but it's three worth warranty shirt. He designed something great that we couldn't sell ourselves, and so he is, and I hope he reaps the rewards because that is a great design. Hale, yeah. That thing happened, Ben, where we said something and then it was made. Pretty awesome how that works. Yeah.

Fun stuff. So, Mirror Universe Cisco and Mirror Universe O'Brien and Bashir and Kira run toward the platform where the runabout is, and there is maybe 10 seconds for me or universe O'Brien to be convinced not to go with them, and instead stay. Even though we've seen how me or universe Cisco treats me or universe O'Brien, which is to say, not great, the way a bully treats someone who's being bullied. Yeah, he's like, I'm going to stick with these guys. They make me feel terrible. They call me smiley

in a way that I find incredibly insulting. I'm sure they have a locker to stick me in on that ship. They replicated a locker, especially for me. This is another moment where like a little more time, I think is necessary. But as it is, prime universe, Bashir and Kiri hot back on their runabout and impulse their way in an emergency Fashion away from the station that shot of the of the runabout leaving the station is like one of the awesomeness model effects By the way, it's great also like seeing the Klingon cruiser out the window like taking shots at them Yeah, super awesome the in curiosity of that first scene when they arrive and Mary Universe Kira asks how they got there and they drop the wormhole line but then cover it up. Like this is where that's returned because what secures their escape is that the Mary Universe is not aware of the

wormhole that is't their backyard. Right. I wondered why the Klingon cruiser like that is taking potshots at them wouldn't register what that is. I thought for sure that cruiser would follow them through the wormhole. Yeah. They should have and then the station should have bloated up, right? Wouldn't that have been like the right exciting conclusion to the two-part episode arc that we should have had here? Ben, the button on the episode is like, prime universe Cisco is an ops, like complaining about their inability to find like,

wreckage from the runabout. When the runabout comes to the wormhole, they facetime them and it's like Kira in a dress and Bishir looking like he's been in a fire. How dare they slide whistle the ending of this. I know. Where have you been? Through the looking glass command. It's going to be back.

I was like, no! Did you like this episode, Ben? I did. What I like about it is that it feels very self-contained. It's a real big time adventure that doesn't necessarily need to change anything for our characters going forward, which is a kind of Star Trek episode I like. I like the ones that are boring and don't, you know, the stakes aren't that high at all, but I also like ones like this, where it's like a,

like a crazy adventure that a, you know, you throw a couple of characters into a crazy situation, see what happens. And they, like, the stakes get raised over and over again in this episode. And I have no idea, but I almost picture the writers and the special effects people talking, like I have a great idea for killing Odo,

but obviously we can't kill Odo, but how could we get to killing Odo in a story? And the writers go and like, well, there was that mirror universe episode in TOS, like let's do something with that. And Odo's like a bad guy and we hate him. And we get to see him blow up. And writing a story around getting to that moment is super fun and good.

I also like that they kind of leave it open to come back to. I think there are obvious problems with cramming as much story into this episode as they did, but the story that they crammed, I had a lot of fun watching. How about you Adam? I love the head cannon of an effects artist going, yeah, you know, like I grabbed a home depot bucket

and I just like threw in some plaster and some other shit and like I really think this would be good if we ever had to explode Odo. Yeah. Can we like make an episode around this? Isn't that like kind of what you picture though? Like that effect is so like show-stoppingly great. Yeah.

It's so, it is, I mean like you think back to conspiracy and the... It's to conspiracy and the, it's a conspiracy level effect, isn't it? But it's so much better. It's like, it's conspiracy plus 10 years, you know? It's like, we blew up Remix, sure. And then we had a weird puppet creature come out of his, his gory corpse.

I think we can do a lot better. You're never going to be able to write that wrong man. Just let it go. You're just grinding metal. He's down. Ben, this episode infuriates me. It infuriates me because of its potential. Like, I loved so much about this, but it tasked me over and over again, like scenes would just fly by, we're just sprinting through this episode. And the end, the indignity of this ending, we're told a quarter of the way through this episode that like Kirk's Mirror Universe episode had these ramifications, massive ones, the fall of the Terran Empire, the rise of this new alliance, the change of transporter

technology forever. Like all this stuff. And yet we aren't even given the Goddamn common courtesy of like a mission debrief scene with Bashir. A mission reach around. And Kira like talking it over. Give me a fucking break. Where have you been? We've been through the looking glass. Fuck you, that is a fuck you of an end to this episode. Shit dog, you really gotta calm yourself down buddy. It's just the thing, like the episodes that I dislike, like I can totally accept a, you

know, not a great episode, just a, just two people going to a conference. There are low stakes to you Space Nine episodes that I like. This is a high stakes deep space nine episode. And I just cannot brook the stakes having no consequence at the end of it. Like this is treated like a bottle episode. And it just cannot end this way. I mean, I think that they live a lot of pieces in place for it not to be a bottle episode

in a way that feels like it isn't going down this way. You and I both know we watch the next episode after we watch this one. And nothing happens. You know what happens every episode, Ben, as we check the priority one message. Do you want to see what we got? We do do that every episode. Priority one message from Starfleet coming in on Secured Channel. Need a supplement only.

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I do not observe birthdays, as I am a timeless entity. I'm like the person that celebrates Christmas as a cultural holiday, and not a religious one. And frankly, I don't have a lot of respect for Khan. As a man, he claims he's a great intelligence, and yet when all of life was wiped out on his planet, he did not make a small section of Malibu beachfront property for himself. I am unlike you in most ways, Karen. I am a good marksman and I do hit the target. When I was given the opportunity to abandon the death of my wife for shun, I did not abandon

by virtue of one who snuck.. I aband the shoot out of her. Do we have another message ban? Speaking of abanding things, can you a ban a priority one message? Sadly Adam, we do not have another message, but I will say this. You can get a message by going to maximumfund.org slash jumbo tron and ordering a personal message for $100 or a commercial message for $200. Get your message in front of tens of thousands of awesome listeners and uh you know that's pretty great but also it helps promote the production of this program. Hahaha. Hahaha. Anyways, I am done.

With all of the rum. But do you have a question for me, Ben? Just ask the question. Hey Adam. What's happened? army been just ask the question hey Adam what's that been did you find yourself a trunks remote as the full weight of the bends rum rains upon him so to has the 32 ounces of micro brew consumed, in alacrity, been my drunk Shimoto as a visual Shimoto. Oh shit, dog.

At about, what I wrote down was the 27 minute mark. This is the scene where I'm here. Uh oh. I'm just gonna give you like a quick, I'm gonna break in with a quick Shimoto preview, which is that I have also written down something at the 27-minute mark. Oh shit.

So this is the scene with Prime Kira and Mirror Universe Kira and their face to face. They're doing that Thomas Riker, Will Riker thing. Except the eye line is perfect. It's much, much better this time. Here's the thing, when you are shooting mirror shit with two of the same actor. Yeah.

And one of the ways that you sell that is by one side touching the other, the only way to do that. The only way is by sticking an arm in, like faking the angle that it's coming in from the from the opposite end. It's hard to describe, but if you're watching at the 27 minute, you'll know what I mean. It's like the card playing the flute, right? Those are someone else's hands. This is a stranger's hand coming in and touching Kira's chin for the scene.

My Shimoda is that arm in hand. We're a double Shimoda. We set the same atom. We both picked the third hand. That's so great. Here's my head, Canon. Yeah. They were like, who's done some like good hand performance

around Hollywood lately? And they watched the episode of Seinfeld where they had like man hands for one of the women that Jerry is dating. Is a believable hand to me though, is it to you? It doesn't read as, as Nana, these are Taurus' hand at all to me. It is a totally,

the weight and scale of the hand is totally different. You can tell me about Navisator's hand weight. I think she has a very delicate and elegant hand, and this is not that hand. All right, I'm scrubbing to the 27 minute. I gotta see this. Oh shit! Yeah, that is a...

That's a beefier hand than Nanavizator is rocking. It is semi beefy. But, God, there's so much going on in this scene because, yeah, that is another hand. I would say that like, it's the tantum. We've talked a lot about like the subtle shit that Nanabi Zatoar does as an actor.

Like acting is such a weird job because some of it is portraying emotions and some of it is just like remembering like what hand you were holding a cup of wine, a glass of wine in, in, you know, like, a glass of wine in, and like moving it around the scene. And there's like that precision shit

of just remembering how your body was angled and setting something down when you say the line. It's technical acting. She's fucking incredible at the technical side too, because there are two or three long takes where she is acting against herself in this episode where her eye line is perfect, her timing is perfect, her fucking emotional truth is perfect, like she's fucking amazing. She's the best.

Like it's unbelievable and she gets so many chances, I'm not talking about her specifically, but an actor gets so many chances to blow it in this episode specifically and she gets so many chances. I'm not talking about her specifically, but an actor gets so many chances to blow it in this episode specifically and she doesn't ever. She never gives up a point. She's the fucking unscorable golly. She's great. She's fucking great.

Another thing they do in this scene is they light both of the kira's differently and I know why they do that. Like they're making mirror universe dark and prime universe light. Yeah. But there is a logic to this that doesn't hold. Like, it's an impossible lighting situation.

Right. But it does look dramatic. That's why they did it that way. It looks dramatic, but it also doesn't break the illusion. Like, which is hard mode for lighting. Yeah. You can light something in a way that is dramatic and harsh, or you can light something in a way that is believable. To do both at the same time.

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Right. Like oh, it sounds like that won't be an interesting episode. Like what many have accused us of being. Well, you want to see if we're doing this episode in a particular way. Ben. I could get behind that course of action. I believe we're on square 72 right now, are we not? That is the drunk square upon which we are. We are on the Quarx Bar today.

Where will we be next week, I wonder? To get to anything of any consequence, we would have to roll a six. They would put us on square 78, which is an nth degree episode. That, of course, meaning an episode with extensive research. Right. We have to know so much about this episode. It's basically coming out of our pores. This is maybe the square I want to land on the least. I kind of like the idea of like kind of knowing

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