The Greatest Generation - Covered in Talc (DS9 S7E3)

Episode Date: August 31, 2020

When Ezri Dax has a run-in with Worf, the crew of DS9 begins to wonder who will counsel the counselor. But when Garak fills up her appointment book, she’ll have to decide if the billable hours are worth it. What’s the name of the place where a tailor works? Does For Some Reason Jake finally have a chance with a love interest? How absorbent is a therapist’s couch? It’s the episode that has two doorbells!

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I'm Ben Harris and we are primarily known for the greatest discovery. Yeah. One thing about the Max Fund drive that I guess will be kind of distant memory as this is released, but as just ending as we are recording it, is that I get to hear from people about how they found our shows. And I've heard from several people like, oh yeah, like found your show, the greatest discovery

when discovery started and now I listen all three of your shows, I love them. That's insane to me, I love it. I can't believe that somebody would listen to greatest discovery and go, I want to hear more of this. I was on the greatest gen Reddit not too long ago where I found a post that was like, I came here for the Star Trek ship posting. Are you saying that there's a podcast called the

greatest generation that I need to listen to? And this person was sincere. They had not known about the podcast. They learned of it through the reddit. And now they're a subscriber I'm going to assume. So hello. Hello. Hello. New listener. Speaking of ship posting Adam, I can't help but notice that you are on the video chat. Shirtless. Your hair looks like it's maybe a little bit wet. I just got out of the pool. Are your headphones gonna be okay? Then this is only the second time I've been shirtless for a show with you.

Can you remember the first time? Was that a let's drink about an episode? It was the tub episode. The tub episode, you're panceless too. We were both panceless. Both of us, both of us in the new this time, I'm on holiday with my lovely wife, who is currently not very happy with me doing work while we're supposed to be

relaxing to the extent that we can. So I went and I jumped into the pool real fast with her and now I'm here with you, shirtless. Shirtless and wet. I and our listeners thank you for straining your marriage to be here to talk about Star Trek with me today. I was texting you the other night that I've got some busy weeks coming up

and I'm gonna need to take a couple of weeks off of work. And it's like, it's a weird thing since our work is what it is. But we've never really talked about like our company policy about like time off or anything like that. And I think we try to like do our best to be cool bosses to each other. And so you were like very, very generous in accommodating that. But it was also like, hey, I'm going to take two weeks off work, but obviously not recording the shows,

just the editing part. Right. Yeah. And well, on the one hand, you and I are great and permissive bosses. I think we're terrible employees because we have planned for years to build out an editing runway that would allow the sort of thing like, you know, avocation. That I think is good for a person's mental health. Yeah.

That has been a struggle for years. We can't seem to get out in front of this show the way we should. And also, another example of us being terrible employees is that you showed up for work today, half drunk and shirtless. So. Yeah, that's a great point. Ben, we're doing an unscheduled Quark's bar episode today. Oh, love a race!

Drinking. It's the anti-dome. We're dropping a surprise on the viewers. Was the last episode a Quark's bar also? I think it was. Two in a row. Yeah. I'm not drinking to get drunk.

This is not distribution. This is some... Because I have plans later. So I can't be completely smashy. Now look at you and your plans. I plan to go back out in the pool as soon as this is over. And I am drinking a massive tequila soda during the official drink of Greatest Gen.

You know what it is? Three quarters tequila, one-quarter club soda, squeeze a lime, just the way you and I like it. I call it the Nick Wiker. I'm just having a margarita. That's it. I made a terrible mistake last night I'm just having a margarita. That's it. I made a terrible mistake last night, Ben.

I get to tell you about, which is, you know, day one, day one on any vacation. You want to go hard, but you don't want to go so hard as to ruin day two. Oh, yeah. I had some friends on my bachelor party go so hard as to ruin the bachelor party for themselves on night one. You don't want to fuck your whole vacation up.

And what I did was I just made a drink that was way too big for night one for the both of us. And it just totally Mount Smash Mord, both me and my wife, like hardcore. Like, you know, when you make a drink that's so strong and so big, it doesn't even allow for buffer water because it's like, it's your job to take that thing down. And it's happening so fast you can't get out ahead of it. That's what happened.

Well, you can get ahead of it. There was no amount of delusion. No amount of broad could knock down the hangover. And that, I know you know, is a rarity to run into. Because that brod works 99% of the time. Brod does a lot of heavy lifting around here. You've reminded me, I need to brod up right now. As with all QuarkSpar episodes, our uncompensated endorsement comes from the brood family of

electrolyte vitamins. It's a pretty small family of one kind of electrolyte vitamin that they sell. Adam, do you want to know that we've begun lubricating ourselves crack into another episode of Star Trek Deep Space Nine? Yeah, you don't mind that I'm shirtless, do you? No, the camera fortunately cuts off just above the nipple, so it's not as distracting as it could be. Oh, not anymore. How about that?

Oh boy, here we go. They're so tiny, they're like four pixels each. Ha ha ha. It's season seven, episode three, after image. Two. Oh, do you realize how many? How many of all this is? Oh, ha ha ha.

Oh, no. No, of course you don't. Getting to know Ezri, getting to know all about her is Morn, the big talker of the station. Yeah, I feel like she's sort of visiting the scene of several crimes here at this spot with Morn. A lot of people jump off this spot of the promenade, a lot of like Jake possessed by a paw-raith has happened here, but also just a lot of Jake and Nog like giving unwelcome liars to the female occupants of the station.

You know what's interesting about humanity in the 24th century is that they don't do that thing where they put a shrine by the side of the road at the side of the Kharkrash. Yeah, there's no spray painted white bicycle chained up to the promenade here. Where are the Mylar balloons inside the Bajoran shrine? Where are the pictures and the candles? It seems like that would be a thing, but it's really not. Maybe that's part of the disconnect that is happening all over with the crew between the crew and and Ezri Dex. This is an episode a lot about what we hoped it would be about, I think, of a group of people that are trying to grapple with the death of a beloved coworker and friend, and also the continued existence of that beloved coworker and friend and also the continued existence of that beloved coworker

and friend to a weird extent. You've had a great party hanging out with them and they just won't leave. Ha ha ha ha. Ezri in the Bajoran temple is a very intense combination because it's like she's where she's she's where she was killed you know and her presence there When Kira walks in is a very unpleasant reminder of that fact Yeah, I mean people who have been through traumatic situations and survived them often have terrible feelings about those locations and this is a

scene emblematic of that. Yeah, totally. And Kira, to her credit, like holds it together, she's not like shitty to Isary about this, but she's also frank with her emotions about what's happening in this room. Kira is also like, so I'm gonna pray. Could you not stand right there? I don't like anyone watching me during prayer.

Okay. Were we talking about the ridges on Kira's nose seeming much more subtle lately? Yeah. Because I feel like in this scene, they seem like real real lightly ridgy. I am not here for this Ridge Erasure and at all. Shit. It's almost like the pervasive Tom Ridge Erasure

that we've been experiencing for like the last 10 years. How you talking about it? I mean, whatever happened to that guy. Former Homeland Security Secretary Tom Ridge. of that guy. Former Homeland Security Secretary Tom Ridge. You're a big, you're a big fan of the founding secretary of the most hitlery sounding administration in the executive branch of the American government. I'm just wondering why no one talks about it many. Scandal or that. Yeah, it's probably deciding how he's going to vote in November or something. One person who seems to have already crossed the Rubicon as far as like being available to Ezri, being you know cool with her given the circumstances is quark. Yeah. Who seems sincere, this doesn't seem like an angle at this point, as far as how accepting he is of her, I mean, as any good bartender will be, he is there to listen and to be confided in. And he provides great counsel.

And also to provide a refund when she doesn't like the drinking mixes for her. Right. Because she does not care for blood wine in the way that Jidzee did. It smells awful. That's the good stuff. You got to wonder, like, Kork does seem sincere in this scene,

but I sort of wondered if he was just like hoping that he had a easier person to beat in tango that he was cultivating here. It's weird that after so many seasons of understanding DAX tech, how she runs as a software and hardware combination, that there are still so many questions about how they integrate because I remain confused about why Ezra is having such a hard time just navigating her world here. I mean, there was nothing about Jetsie's experience that would suggest it would be that difficult. Yeah.

That's difficult as Ezra is making it seem, right? Well, they have sort of implied that there is a normal process that she did not get the benefit of for this. Right. But also this is a, should I stay or should I go now, kind of storyline for her? And she followed Ben Sisko on a lark to a sandface planet. And now she's here.

And it seems like there's probably people on planet Trill who could like spend two, three months with her just kinda smoothing some of the rocky patches out, you know? Yeah. She does not have that benefit and so she's sort of cut loose. Yeah. And she's dependent on people who are for their own reasons,

choosing to keep her at arm's length. They set her up for sympathy, but they do not set her up for quality at this point. That's an interesting observation, though, because by setting her up for sympathy, they are sort of by definition setting most of our main cast up to be somewhat less sympathetic and more specifically.

And you know, this is a show that has never shied away from making warf look bad. But the scene where he like walks in and kind of chicken shits out of being in Quark's bar, well, Ezri is also there is a terrible look for Wharf. It's a terrible look for Wharf in a terrible series for Wharf, I think. I think Deep Space 9 in totality has not been good for his character. I agree. It's a damn shame, but we know that he does eventually get to be Captain of the Enterprise E. So that's good. The real Roshenko principle. You have to play out.

If you were any other man, I would kill you where you stand for making a remark like that. In Cisco's office, we learn that both doors have a bell. Have we ever seen anyone use this other door? Not that I can recall. I'm sure there is a brand of trick nerd out there that could tell us time code and episode where this happened, but the side door is the one that DAX goes through.

And I don't know if any man is going to have a service entrance to his performance space. I would think it would not be Benjamin Lafayette Sisko. Maybe Man is going to have a service entrance to his performance space. I would think it would not be Benjamin Lafayette's go. I didn't want to go through Ops in case Warp was there. Those of you watching the live feed will notice that I've just put on a shirt. That's going to drive people totally. Sorry for you, Ben.

Covering up these sweet nips. I mean it was very exciting to podcast like that, but all the good things must and I should have done this a long time ago. Ezri Dax is threatening to go back to the destiny, the interestingly named ship that that would be her home after After abandoning deep Space 9. Yeah. I mean, this is a kind of a haunted place. And the cold open was all about establishing how haunted it feels. And I know that this is a real thing for people, like friends who have lost partners who just had to move to a different city because the city that they lived in with that partner was

just full of memory triggers. Like every corner you walk around is, oh, there's a cafe that we had our first date at or there's a ice cream store that we went to one time. And I think that's a really true feeling. It's one of the reasons we won't do a show in Cleveland again. You know, just to me do bad memories. Yeah, the time we met Bill Tilly, the time Adam pooped on stage. Those great wings.

Oh god, those wings. Those are the three main things about Cleveland that everyone knows. Any friend of DeSoto knows those three things. That's true. You know what, we should do a trivia game, extra episode of Greatest Gen, where maybe that's something we could do over time. Wow.

We can do Greatest Gen trivia where you and I ask the questions. We have some friends in DeSoto in to try to answer them. I feel like more interesting would be to get friends of DeSoto to come up with the questions and have like, Bill, Ellie, ask us about our own show. Ask us the trivia questions about our own show and we're competing with each other. That'd be fun.

That is a fun, bonus content idea. Let's do that. That would be really good. So look for that on the same video feed that you watched the show. Look for an announcement. Yeah. And when you think think about groups of male friends on Deep Space 9, who do you think of? Obviously, you think of O'Brien, Bashir, Odo, and Garrick. They're always hanging out

together, those four. So many things in common. Yeah. Garrick is sitting with his buddies who he always hangs out with in addition to Bashir. And he's very distracted. They're trying to get together a, remember the Alamo holodeck game. And Garrick is super distracted because he's got, he's got like a side hustle going where he earns extra money

decoding Cardassian transmissions for the Federation's intelligence service. And he's also really drawn short straw on the seating here in Quark's bar because the other three characters are getting bumped 0% and Garrick is being bumped 150%. Like he has got his back to the crowd and it is like a capacity show at Quarx Bar for some reason.

Although it doesn't make any sense, right? Cause this is a table that's out in the middle of everything and when you cut to the other angle, you see all of this open floors plays in Quark's bar that nobody's using. Must you stand so close? Is it harsh? Well, I don't like people looming over me.

This is a more difficult scene to make happen than one would think. Honestly, it takes a lot to do when you're working with this many extras. Yeah. And you're having them mill around and then actually make physical contact with your primary actors.

Yeah. But what's shitty is that it's clear like in the way that you were describing, oh Brian and Bashir are only hanging out with Garrick because they want something from him. They aren't really friends. And that makes me sad. Yeah.

He's got a lot of pressure on him. He's kind of the Hercules Mulligan of this episode where he is kind of both a intelligence agent and a tailor. I do not get that reference. That's one of the characters in Hamilton. In act one of Hamilton, Adam. Okay. All right. I need to see.

I guess I'll confess, here's what's going on. We're in the middle of the Max Fun Drive as we record this episode. You are really going to turn people away by referencing the drive weeks after I know. What are you doing? The hit war movie podcast, Friendly Fire was... You're still doing it! Everyone knows we already got

2,921 new and upgrading members it was a great success yeah that was awesome when we got 2,921 new and upgrading members on friendly fire this the goal that we set for ourselves and yeah her yeah, Hercules Mulligan, the story with him was that he worked in a Taylor's office, office. A telly, I don't know, where does a Taylor work? Store? I believe it's a Taylor shop, Norm. And collected secrets from the red coats. Yeah.

And I'm glad we went back for that one. He's my favorite character in Hamilton. Fuck you. Gold to cotton. Gold to cotton. So. I feel like Garrick is looking glossy in this scene. And I think it's something that foreshadows situations that happen later for Garrick.

He just looks a little dewy and sick, and it all starts right here. Yeah, this is a classic. Garrett is not doing great episode. It kind of reminds me of that episode, The Wire. He's like Tony sopranoing in this episode. He's in his, what do we call it, Taylor Shop? That's not what we're calling it.

That's what it's called. Okay, and Odo comes in and is like trying to say some shit to him, but he can't hear because he's, he's subpranelling out. And he collapses. And you know, the great thing for Garic is that every time he collapses, he falls into the arms of Julian Bersier. I wish I had an explanation, but I don't. I don't got time for these fucking attacks.

Oh, hello. Fancy meeting you here on this biopad. In the infirmary, Bishir diagnosis this as a claustrophobic attack for which Bishir prescribes a lobotomy. If you don't have any memories, you can't be afraid of small spaces. Now, I'll just take this swizzle stick, press it into your spoon and stir. He doesn't go up the nose. He goes right through the spoon, huh?

Yeah, that's where you go. You know that's a soft spot at the skull. That's what I think. Yeah. Caric, not reacting super well to this pressure. Not at all. But in a way that's very garric like, he's projecting a lot of angst,

doesn't really wanna talk about its true cause. If only we had a therapist on the station, they could draw him out in a constructive way. Yeah. One of the people in the infirmary that he wants to talk to and specifically does not want to talk to in the infirmary wants to talk to out in a big open space, which is unfortunately also a public space

is Captain Cisco, where Derek says like, hey, listen, you know how I've been doing? All of this big secret work of decoding Cardassian transmissions that anybody walking around the promenade can find out about right now? Anyways, I'd like you to tell Starfleet Intelligence the secret dirty tricks arm of the Federation that I won't be able to continue that work. Also, it smells like piss in there.

Hahaha. Hahaha. This is fun to do with this on video because I could see you come up with that like halfway through my thing. Hahaha. It's funnier with a shirt on. Yeah, believe me, I'm not happy about this either. He's not the only person doing bad though, Adam.

Yeah, Ezri is suffering herself. Ezri visits Garrick in his shop, and it is clear in the scene that she needs more help than maybe Garrick does. Yeah. They both have a lot of this misplaced guilt, and they both agree to work on this going forward. But like, knowledge of your problem does not do anything to cure the problem because, like, after this conversation, you ever have a conversation so good, you kind of limp afterwards.

Asri is a little space sick after confiding the reasons for her space sickness. And Garrick feels another bout of claustrophobia just in talking about his claustrophobia. She has a real pedal to the metal approach to therapy, which is like the most amazing moments in therapy for me are always when I like arrive at a moment of understanding about myself. Why the red is fucking, that's why. And I think that like what therapists are doing are basically trying to give you little gentle nudges in your, you know, carrying on about yourself to guide you to those moments.

And instead, the way Edgesary approaches this is just to be like, hey, here's what your problem is, your abusive dad blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. You know? Yeah, and it's, I mean, is it any wonder? We get to know Garyx dad over the course of several episodes and we definitely have an understanding of how difficult that must have been. In Abrentane, not the ideal parent.

In Abrentane to good father, in our estimation, he isn't a good father, he isn't a bad father is how I mean that. Right in the middle there. Yeah. Covered in talc. You watch me come up with that one too, huh? Little less visual. All the people watching the live stream, or I see them in the chat, they really like watching you work the math out on that. The livestream started moving super fast in that scene. I can hardly keep up with all the comments. Ezri wobbles her way right into Worf and Worf is super mean and there's no question about whether or not he's mean or not. He is. And if I'm

Ezri, I would pack up for the destiny. And that's what she does in the very next scene. Yeah, she's out of here, man. This is not a, this is not a safe or cool place for her. And you know, we talk about this being a bed looks for warfall around again, just like really making his problem, everyone else's problem. It is extremely hard to marshal empathy for someone who has the benefit of a network of help for them. And they fail to recognize all the help that they are getting.

Nor do they appreciate that help. And Wurf is that kind of character here. Like, he's gone through a traumatic loss. Everyone has rallied around him and he's a fucking shit to Ezri. And he doesn't have to be. You're not, Jadzia. Jadzia died in what the Stovocore, I do not know you.

Or do I wish to know you? You really hate seeing him act like this. And I think that you're right, it's like the gratuity of it that really sucks. Don't you remember talking about him early on in Deep Space 9 and being like, this guy is doing unforgivable shit. Like character wrecking stuff is what Wurf is doing. And it's not the first time. Yeah, right, it's kind of the way they wrote for him on

this show. Yeah, I mean, I think of all the people who need to grow from the death of Jadziadak's it's warf and it's so strange to see him just in quicksand of his own pouring. And so like isolated too, because like we know Worse's family, you know? Like Worse has super loving parents, a narcissist brother, but a loving brother. Not anymore. I'm talking about Paul Sorvino. Okay. Clearly I do not remember. I cannot help in this particular situation, being that I don't know what you are talking about.

Oh, man, it is not easy to do an episode of Greatest Gen with wet swim trails. I'm just going to say that right now. Oh, yeah. It's a good moment in the program just to make that clear. A lot of our viewers are also podcast creators of their own. Yeah. A little tip for me to you. Keep a try down there.

Anybody that makes their own podcast knows how often you get sexually aroused while recording your podcast. Yeah, wet trunks. You know, now's a good time to go take a bathroom break. I think everyone knows you do not want to go to the bathroom wearing dry trunks. Like that's just another vacation tip. Go to the bathroom wearing wet trunks. That way when you come out, there's no little wet duct. Because your whole trunks are wet.

Yeah, yeah. Hey, is that a rule of greatest gen? I think it is. Yeah, yeah. It's rule number 69. Win on vacation. Go to the bathroom wearing wet trunks. I think that's going to help a lot of people.

Yeah, that's what we're here to do, Adam. That's what the show is about. Do we need to pause? Are you are you actually in need of a bathroom break? No, I'm good. You know me if I needed to, I would just leave. I'd leave you to do the show on your own. I've done it before. You're in a vacation, Rental. And you don't care about peeing on the floor. I'm staring right at come to a Ford, I'm a rain, come to a Ford, I'm a rain, come to a Ford, I'm a rain, come to a Ford, I'm a rain, come to a Ford, I'm a rain, come to a Ford, I'm a rain, come to a Ford, I'm a rain, come to a Ford, I'm a rain, come to a Ford, I'm a rain, come to a Ford, I'm a rain, come to a Ford, I'm a rain, come to a Ford, I'm a rain, come to a Ford, I'm a rain, come to a Ford, I'm a rain, come to a Ford, I'm a rain, come to a Ford, I'm a rain, come to a Ford, I'm a rain, come to a Ford, I'm a rain, come to a Ford, I'm a rain, come to a Ford, I'm a rain, come to a Ford, I'm a rain, come to a Ford, I'm a rain, come to a Ford, I'm a rain, come to a Ford, I'm a rain, come to a Ford, I'm a rain, come to a Ford, I'm a rain, come to a Ford, I'm a rain, come to a Ford, I'm a rain, come to a Ford, I'm a rain, come to a Ford, I'm a rain, come to a Ford, I'm a rain, come to a Ford, I'm a rain, come to a Ford, I'm a rain, come to a Ford, I'm a rain, come to a Ford, I'm a rain, come to a Ford, I'm a rain, come to a Ford, I'm a rain, come to a Ford, I'm a rain, come to a Ford, I'm a rain, come to a Ford, what are you doing now? What are you doing now? What are you doing now? What are you doing now? What are you doing now? What are you doing now? What are you doing now? What are into convince Ezri that her work with Garrick has helped because Garrick is suddenly back on mission as an employee and he has Ezri to think. So maybe you stick it out on the station a little bit.

That'd be great. It means a lot to me that you want me to stay, but I can't. If I'm her, I'm definitely on my way to the journey. What's it called? No, it doesn't. Hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey on my way to the journey. What's it called? The contest. In the Reppelman. In the Reppelman. In the Reppelman that she catches up with Beshear,

who helps her, there's that thing that like, douchey dudes do on a date where they like order for the girl, and Beshear does this in a way that is actually not douchey because she's having a tough time thinking of something she actually wants to consume at the rappel match. She keeps placing orders with the computer that conflict with either what she, Ezri, actually likes to eat or what a past host

might have approved of or not. Bashir suggests a couple of beverages. Two Phanalyan toddies. When they get to the other and they like sit down and talk. And this is an interesting moment because it is an opportunity for Bashir not to be a total creep and instead he chooses to totally lay it on Esri.

Yes. Super hitting on her, and she basically like asks him to knock it off. Don't flirt with me Julian. I think you could see this scene in a couple of ways though. Like, I think we're set up for the flirtation here because of a conversation that Bashir has with Quark at maybe having a second chance at seduction.

But we're also set up for the innocence of Ezri Dax and her incapacity for self-knowledge throughout her entire introduction. So I was a little caught off guard as Bishir was for when Ezri slaps back at him for making a pass because that seems like someone who is a little more secure in their knowledge of self than I think we had any reason to believe

that she was up to this point. Yeah, I think that might be a bias of being too dudes watching this though, because I feel like women probably get used to being hit on at a younger age than, and I think she basically reads him and I think he is as surprised as we were though, is like crucially like he is like so disarmed by the fact that she tells him to knock it off

that he like becomes a human for a second. Yeah, if you're stationed in a place without weather and you're wearing long sleeves forever. Do you feel like you're always going to be drinking the hot drinks? Because they're drinking a couple of hot tatties here. I feel like you're never getting iced beverages on this show. Yeah, nobody ever goes for a fraptagina. I think you can understand production wise why you'd never want to go in that direction. Oh yeah. I said to me shows is is a war crime. It always floating at the bottom of the glass. It doesn't make any sense.

I float in liquid. It does not sink. The condensation make it a tableware! Why does this drink not have beads of water running down it? Are you too worried about the continuity? You are coward! Here's the thing that probably pops the mylar balloon of seduction entirely, that you and I are arguing over, which is, at the end of this bishier scene, Ezri tells Bishir that if Wurf hadn't come around, it would have been him. What? This feels like Jadzee attacks, peaking through the mask of Ezri, and taking a shot at Bishir. The sort of shot that she loved to take and sort of fucking him up and rattling his cage.

The sort of like hostile flirtation that like I know everyone has has run into at some point where it's like you're you're doing this but we can't do anything. Yeah. Like that kind of thing. And it's a scene that includes a scene where she reaches across the table and puts her hand on his hand and then the camera racks focus to wharf on the second level of the Promenade like glaring at the He drags a thumb over his own throat

As he looks down at them. Yeah, they don't notice, but they do get a emergency message that they've got to run to one of the airlocks where Garek is in a total fugue state and trying to bust his way through the glass into space. The scene may be wonder how often this has got to happen on a station with a mixed population going through all all kinds of their own shit. Yeah. You get to lock those blast doors. Hmm.

That last shot in the scene where he's like wailing on the door with his fists and it cuts to the exterior with the, you know, the rest of the station reflected in the glass. I thought was really great. Really scary. It's the counterpoint to Picard's exterior gazing window shot. Right, it makes you feel how present death is for him. We get that shot so rarely. In all of Star Trek, I feel like.

Yeah. It's always interior looking out. It's so rarely exterior looking in. It's... I can only think of a handful of times in hundreds of episodes that we get it like that. It's because it's so expensive to do because you have to simulate the reflections

and the glass and stuff. Like they nailed it in this moment. And I thought it was like maybe my favorite moment in the episode. After the commercial, Ezric, that would be the disgusting, transporter accident version of Ezri and Gary. That, you know, Captain Janeway would fucking murder

without any sort of compunction. Ezri is in the holless way with Gary and she's teaching him some basic breathing techniques that veteran meditators will know, well, like you and me, like this is a big part of getting calm and an uncom time. Yeah, I just do the breathing exercise on my watch. And Gary is embarrassed.

He's embarrassed at the scene that he made the banging on the door, the screaming and so forth. Yeah. It was, it was bad, but as we as confident that together, they can manage these outbursts. It's interesting. I was thinking the other day about how like, when you sneeze or cough, you have to like say, like,

excuse me, because in the past, it was like so stigmatized that it was like, oh, like, did you just let a demon out of your body? Like, cover your mouth, you know? And I wonder if mental health outbursts will follow the same course eventually where when you have a breakdown, like Eric is having a few times in this episode, it's like a little like, oh, like, I say this little phrase, and like, the embarrassment of it dissipates immediately, you know? Because like, a little like, oh, like I say this little phrase and like the embarrassment of it dissipates immediately, you know, because like nobody is like super ashamed to sneeze these days, like maybe during COVID or whatever,

but like you sneeze and everybody's like, okay, yeah, we all do it, it's not a big deal, you know? Right. It made me like wonder if there was like a way to like sci-fi future imagine a way for a character to have a breakdown like this that wasn't as stigmatized as it is in this episode. If you don't mind, I'd like to sit here and be alone for a while.

I mean, one of the only production languages this show has to communicate, the idea of higher consciousness is pan flute, because like the mere mention of anything associated with this by Esri introduces that music bed to the conversation which is too bad right there are a lot of options though like I'm sport fucking the scene critically but I don't have a better idea yeah yeah like maybe one of those like wooden wooden things that like you scrape with a stick. Maybe that would be a nice. It looks like a face mask. Frog.

It's carved like a frog. How about a shaker? Yeah, what other instruments could be used here? I'm a rainbow. Whenever I'm struggling mentally, I think of castamets. In the infirmary, Bashir has removed a piece of shrapnel from Quark's ear. Just to give us a little interstitial. Yeah.

And then for some reason, Worf enters and actually assaults Bashir in his own workplace. Like arm up against Bashir's neck, Bashir up against the wall. I was kind of surprised that Worf didn't have like a mechle of his back belt to just like cut, be sure to open in this moment. Be sure to fucking shot him with a key fob phaser. I think it's messed up. Yeah. As you know, Commander check off, no one can fire in an authorized phaser aboard a Starship. Really gives you a lot to think about. What I was thinking was how, you know, like so often forced perspective, gives you the sense of different sizes of things where it's not real, but worst fucking meat mittens

against bishier's head. You can totally tell that Michael Doran's hands are fucking giant compared to Alexander Siddick's head. Like they are very differently sized people. I know my size is alarming. Did they ever tell you I met Mike Tyson in Las Vegas and I shook his hand? No.

Mike Tyson is not a tall person. I think he's shorter than I am. And I don't think it's close, but his hands are almost indescribably giant. Wow. Like having his hand enveloped mine was a sensation that I'll always remember. It's like, I couldn't describe it.

His hands are so big. He's a terrifying person. Yeah. Yeah. In many ways. Anyway, my Tyson meeting me was a lot like a war, meeting Dr. Bashir in this scene. Not comparable. And much like that time,

Warf probably doesn't remember this happened. If you dishonor Jetsia's memory, I would kill you where you stand. Honestly, this scene makes me think fuck warf. I don't know if I can come back from this on Warf's character. And I'm being really sincere about that. I think this was super fucked up. I think it's within, bishier's right to press whatever charges you need to press. Worf shouldn't have done this for any reason. Worf is super angry.

And you would think that he would be less angry given all of the getting Jadziya into Stovacore stuff he has engaged in recently. She's gone, right? Yeah. But she isn't, and that's at the core of this episode. That's the essential conflict. Is she or isn't she gone?

And that goes for you too, Ferenci. Later, Ezri drops into Garrick's shop to check up on him. What is this called, an Atelier? I'm never going to call it that. Taylor Rune. It's a step down Taylor shop. House of Garrick. The thing is, when you take a garment to Garrick's

for alterations, you can't be sure that he's not gonna do Hulk-a-Mainian style alterations to what you've given him. Because when she walks in, he is like positively tearing the stitching out of a thing. Yeah, he is really cranked up. And I think that this is where he really like does his damnedest to push Ezra away.

Like he throws everything at her that he can think of like a, you're not a dex, you're barely anything. You think you can help me, you can't even help yourself. Let me look at you. You're pathetic. He's fucking rip shit pissed. He does not want help thrust upon him. We're finished.

And you're lucky if I don't break your fucking face in 50,000 pieces. It's interesting in sequence, you get to extreme outbursts by hurting people. And you feel so differently about those outbursts and those characters, at least I did. Yeah, because Worf is engaged in physical violence and Garrick is engaged in an emotional violence, which is my preferred style of violence every time.

That's why Garrick is still good by you. I mean, I will go out on the emotional battlefield and I will warf you. I will grab your ankle and just flip you upside down every time. So, Ezri puts in for her resignation off the heels of this and she goes and sits in Cisco's office to tender that and he's like pretty incredulous. That's the way you feel. I don't like Cisco encouraging a medical procedure either.

He's like, he points it to her. He's like, why don't you get that thing taken out, man? If it's so upsetting to you, what the fuck, siskel? I think he's still suffering from heat stroke. Not everybody has the belly for ankleo sore, so... Maybe you'd feel better without one? One piece of trivia that spills out here, unlike that ankylosaur, is that as we and the ankylosaur would die

if they were to be separated, which means this is the last step. Yeah. For the ankylosaur, that's it. And he's like nagging her. Yeah, he's like, weird way. Yeah, like go live in the cave where the ankylosaur's live.

Yeah, maybe you can be the ankylosaur washer. Like they need some sponge bathers and that fucking pond. I can always use a good washer. Maybe you'd be happier in the dark. I feel like if I lived in the Star Trek universe, that would be my happiest job. God, it does sound nice, right?

It's cool, it's quiet, it's calm, there's not a lot of people around. I mean, the panflutes are not quiet, it's quiet, it's calm, there's not a lot of people around. I mean, the panflutes are not quiet, it's probably a real thing. It's a panflute. Yeah, there's like panflute, mariachi bands that come through and... Right, there's the big panflute mariachi that plays the bass panflute. Mm-hmm. There's one in every group. Yeah, yeah.

It's like a barbershop quartet of four different sizes of pan flute Yeah, he nags her before dismissing her in that in that way the Picard used to dismiss Wesley, right? You don't deserve the ducks symbiant quite frankly. You don't deserve the way that uniform He's not wrong. She hasn't been a great Starfleet officer at any point up until now. She's fucking barfing all over the runabout. She hasn't been a great Starfleet officer at any point up until now. She's fucking barfing all over the runabout. She's so new, she just doesn't even know how to do it yet. You can't barf on the runabout. So she's called it quits and she, her first stop is go apologize to Garrick and say like, hey I'm out of here, I'm heading home. And he initially

thinks that she's talking about going back to the destiny. And like the destiny is heading to a system that he has some inside knowledge about based on the transmissions he's been decoding. And she's talking to him about like, oh yeah, like well, it's great that you've decoded those transmissions because they won't be

heading into unched waters. And he really starts to lose it again. All those condescence are going to die because of me. He can never react on an even keel to news about the war in this episode. Anytime you bring up the collendry system, he's going to be pretty upset. Everyone knows it's the system that meteors go into and then on the other side, very few come out. If any, I mean, if the collendress system is working right, it's going to absorb all of them.

Well, it catches all the rocky bits, but the water drains right through. Yeah. That's right. Yeah. The moisture is going to pass right through that system. Yeah. What becomes clear as he goes into a fit is that it has become very preoccupied with all of the Cardassian deaths he has been engendering by helping the Federation and their war effort. A thing up until now, not given much voice to, to be honest. This is Andrew Robinson's far beyond the stars moment, I think. I think you can see Emmy submission subtitle in the scene. All I've done is to pave the way for their annihilation because Andrew Robinson is fucking hitting dingers in the scene. Yeah, he feels that he has betrayed his people.

I have a band in my people! I've drugged their milkshake! And he collapses on the floor, and this is like, this is the thing that he couldn't even admit in a therapeutic context when he was, I think he wasn't even admitting it to himself. I think that's the implication. This is deep and dark, Ben. But when you're a therapist and you move a person

to this kind of confrontation as an insight where like they go 10 out of 10, you get to feel pretty good about that, right? Did pretty good work today. Finally, I had him prayin'renaka to ugly cry on the couch. That's what I'm saying. I think you go home from work that day feeling like you did a good job. Yeah. Got to get a new couch though. I eat very wet. Oh yeah. Well, Adam, you're not supposed to go to therapy in a wet bathing suit.

You know what? If I didn't go to therapy in a wet bathing suit, I wouldn't go at all. So in the infirmary, in the aftermath of Garrick's fit, they kind of come to some understanding between each other. Garrick realizes that the deaths of Cardassians at the hands of the federation aided by him has really been knowing at him, something something that has really tortured him that he didn't he hadn't articulated to himself. That tension between like being of a people wanting to make the people better. Yeah. And also being hostile towards that same people. I think this is probably

a feeling that a lot of people have in contemporary society. Like when you're, when you belong to a place and you want to better that place, it doesn't mean you hate the place. Yeah. And like early in the episode I was watching and I was like, God, this is like such a fast aisle depiction of what therapy is like because because she just like leptuic inclusion about what he is going through and announced it. No one's even making a couch wet in this episode. But this moment really felt authentic to me, like that, that like saying something out loud

for the first time that crystallizes trouble that you have been experiencing and helps you understand it is like such a real thing. And I'm sure that it's available to people in lots of different contexts, but it's primarily something I've experienced through therapy. And early in the episode, and I think you have to forgive Esri

for being like young and green for the way she treated it early on. But like this breakthrough feels real and momentous and it feels like it helps both her and Garrick understand themselves and the place that they can play in, you know, their lives. It's a big scene for Esri. It's a big scene for Garrick, and the next scene is a big scene for Wurf, because Esri is still committed to the destiny,

which is not to be confused with the journey. It's a totally different ship. And Wurf walks in. This was the scene then that as soon as Wurf walked in, I was like Redemption fucking earn it warf because anything less than you ugly crying here isn't gonna be enough What I wanted to see was Michael Dorn Do an Andrew Robinson break

Like I wanted to see him go all the way. Yeah. And unfortunately, the best you can ask for from Worf is a Worf-style apology. I am not certain that I have treated you the way that Judzia would have wanted. What's so frustrating about him is that, like, Worf gets the understanding and the latitude from everyone else around him because he is, he's otherd. Yeah. Like, he's othered. Yeah. Like he's the only cling on. He's the only one that goes through what he goes through. Yeah, you can be as weird as you want because you're different from us.

But it's not fucking fair that he isn't asked to do the same. Because he should. He should specifically in this scene and he doesn't. And I think that his unrepentance here only solidifies how terribly his stock is created as a character. Like this is the moment that he could have pulled it out and he didn't. And I don't know if I can get with him anymore. I kind of feel like that's intentional. I feel like the episode is written toward that though. You think I'm being manipulated? I'm manipulated, but I think that

Wurf is a character that is kind of fucked no matter what choice he makes. At all times, he's between worlds. He can never be fully clinging on. He can never not be clinging on. He's sort of Russian also. Yeah, he's a dab Russian. He's always trying to fuck with elections.

But also, the reason I think that is that this scene goes the way it does, and then the next scene is as we're being elevated to Lieutenant and Wurf, who is the obvious choice of the person to put the pip on her. God. Is not the person that does it. You are so fucking right about that in a weird way

I respect that it's not like because this is a writers room that you served Expectations in that way, but yeah, you're making me wait for a redemption that I'm not sure is going to come Yeah, I don't know if it's coming either. I'm not sure if they're writing toward a redemption or or what but they definitely seem to make this a worth was the bad guy episode. The feeling that we're meant to feel in this scene is that Ezri is part of the family now. Yeah. She gets the dinner invite from Kirin Odo. Yeah. Jake declares to his dad that he wants to kick it to her. She gets some Jake Gays.

Quark is still afraid of Worf, seeing him being nice to her, which is fun. And Garrick is happy about the turnout. The final scene is Worf raising a cup to her, and that is meant to signify a truce, an emotional truce, maybe. Yeah. They come to an emotional truce, but did you come to a decision about whether you like this episode, Adam? You really want to do this.

I think whether or not you like the episode is going to depend on whether or not you like how the writers write Ezri. And at this point, it is still writing her for one note. This is a character that's not in tune yet. Like the permanently furrowed brow, the constant confusion, like she's fucking marsher braiding all around, deep space nine. And I'm wondering if it's ever going to reveal something strong and

competent, because it's weird, like, when you're introduced to characters on Star Trek, they're often competent as a baseline. And then their idiosyncrasies are built on top of a base level of competence. And what you get with Ezri Dax is she's not very good at her job. She's bumble fucking her way through therapy for someone else. I wouldn't depend on her for anything at this point. And what the show is doing is making us root for her because we feel sorry for her. And that's such a weird place to be introduced to a character from, right? Like, that's not how Star Trek introduces characters. She's a very season one feeling character in a season seven season.

That is a strange, salad dressing mixture, isn't it? Yeah. I'm not laying this at Nicole DeBores' feet at all. I think this is a writer problem. It's a weird decision to say, okay, we need another main cast character. Who's it gonna be? It's gonna be DAX 2.0.

Knowing that you have one season left, why don't you just kill DAX? Just kill DAX. Just let her go. Especially if this is what you're gonna do with grief or like quasi-grief. Yeah. I don't feel like this is ably being handled right now

as a conflict. That's interesting to hear you say that because this is kind of the episode that you prayed for at the end of the last episode. Right, right, the one where we confront the weirdness about things. But the confrontation, I don't think, is too superficial. Maybe it's one of those things where like servicing the fan,

like giving us what we want is not actually the right path for the narrative. Yeah, I mean, do you think this is servicing the fan? I mean, I'm just saying like these are questions we're talking about. I don't feel like this is servicing at all. I'm standing here in a wet swim truck. Well, I feel good at all. I've come to completion myself, so I...

My trunks are wet for a totally different reason. Gross. Well Adam, do you want to see if we have any priority one messages in the old inbox? Yeah, I'm going to fill my trunks with those. Priority one message from Starfleet coming in on Secure Channel. Need a supplement, okay? those. Ben our first priority one message is of a promotional nature. Wow. The message goes like this.

What the hell happens to Dr. Who anyway? If you have ever wondered this, try the Doctors' Watcher, a podcast where a friend of Disoto watches Doctor Who and tells his friend all about it, starting with the first Doctor. Oh! You know, I might have a problem with that Doctor. Depending on what has preferred beverages. But here is the fourth doctor at the very earliest Ben doctor, but she is the number one doctor Obviously, he's the he's the number one doctor, but he's not the first doctor Learn about the technology of pronouns whether it's space vampires and what a day lick is

It'll take more time than just watching doctor who yourself a daily is, it'll take more time than just watching Dr. Who yourself, but you can do other things while you listen. That's how podcasts work. The doctor's watcher wherever you get your podcasts. And here's the call to action. Ben subscribed to the doctor's watcher on iTunes, Google Stitcher or wherever you get your podcasts. Ben, I'm not a, I'm not a doctor who person, but when I went to the last Comic Con in Seattle, you know,

there's a main stage at these counts. We've experienced this before. You go in there and you see the seated area and there's like 10,000 people that could sit in there. Oh yeah. And it's very rare that all of those seats are full. I wandered into the Emerald City Comic Con seated area once when it was a doctor who related interview.

Totally full. Wow. There was like 50,000 people in there for doctor who, speaking a language I didn't understand. Like, I understand doctor who is very popular. Not a language I speak. I respect anyone who's into it to that degree. If you want to get into it, maybe try the doctor's watcher as a way to do that.

Yeah, it's a good on-ramp. I've never seen a single frame of Dr. Who. I tried watching Dr. Who from Season 1 episode 1. Pretty rough. Maybe I need to start in the middle. People tell me that. Yeah. Start at the middle and work your way out with Dr. Who. I don't know how anyone can do that. I mean, Star Trek TNG is perfect from episode one. I think if you started in season three, you'd probably be a lot happier with TNG. We have another priority one message here, Adam. It's from Nick and it's to Nicole. Goes like this. Hi Nicole.

Congratulations on catching up on the podcast. Even if I can't always keep up with the three-dimensional tapestry of inside jokes, my sincere thanks goes out to these two idiots for bringing you so much laughter over all those episodes. Hey Nick, fuck you. It sounds like Nick is not necessarily a listener, but Nicole is. So maybe Nick is like a casual and Nicole is more hardcore. Greatest gen listener. Yeah, which makes Nicole the cool one.

Yeah. Sorry Nick, you're not the cool one. I know you thought you were, but you're not. Tapestry of jokes is right. Yeah, it's a rich tapestry, if I may. It's a wet tapestry if you're wrapped around my midsection right now. Trunks. It's still pretty wet.

All right, Adam. If people want to get priority one messages, they can head to maximumflend.org slash Jembo-Tron. They'll tell you all about how to do it there. I already won, Lizzie. Hey Adam. What's that been? Do you find yourself a drunk Shimoda?

Drunk Shimoda! It happens during that Ezredax pinning ceremony. Oh. It's Jake's moment at the party. Here's the thing, you don't make a pass at someone in front of your dad. But you don't check with your dad to see if it's cool to flirt. And for some reason, Jake suggests that Ezredax might be a good romantic pairing for him.

And here's the thing, while he may be wrong in that moment, if you are on the creative team for this show, I think it is a very fun idea for a conflict for Wurf to be against Jake. Because earlier on in the episode Wurf, there's the suggestion that Wurf is intimidated by Benzisco and tell me how delicious it would be if Jake were somehow the one grabbing for Ezri's hand

instead of Dr. Bishir. Because there is no fucking way Wharf would throw Jake up against the wall the way he did Dr. Bishir. What would happen then? I think you could get three great episodes about that many arc where Wharf is like, I can't fuck up Jake Sisco. What am I gonna do? How am I gonna get one over on Jake Sisco while he's busy seducing Ezred Axe? Give us that storyline. Yeah.

Jake's my drunk Shimoda here for just that delicious tease. Yeah. What about you? Also, same scene. There is a bejorn guy in the background of one of the shots talking to Morn and clearly doing that thing that sometimes you have to do at a party of like like recognizing somebody else and be like, sorry, hold that thought, Morn. I see a friend over there. I just want to

catch up with them before they leave. Yeah. And is this a background actor? I love the idea of a background actor coming up with a bit of business like that. Like, what if Morin is fucking boring as hell to talk to? I don't want to live in a world where that might be the truth. I want to hear about all his stomachs. I want him to spit something into my empty glass and have it not be disgusting. I wanted to be valuable. Yeah, but you have a good conversation with more and you're gonna get something in your glass that you're actually gonna want.

Indeed at him. Oh, yeah. Am I right? Am I right? Oh. Got it, got it, got it, got it, got it, got it, got it, got it, got it, got it, got it, got it, got it, got it, got it, got it, got it, got it, got it, got it, got it, got it, got it, got it, got it, got it, got it, got it, got it, got it, got it, got it, got it, got it, got it, got it, got it, got it, got it, got it, got it, got it, got it, got it, got it, got it, got it, got it, got it, got it, got it, got it, got it, got it, got it, got it, got it, got it, got it, got it, got it, got it, got it, got it, got it, got it, got it, got it, got it, got it, got it, got it, got it, got it, got it, got it, got it, got it, got it, got it, got it, got it, got it, got it, got it, got it, got it, got it, got it, got it, got it, got it, got it, got it, got it, got it, got it, got it, got it, got it, got it, got it, got it, got it, got it, got it, got it, got it, got it, got it, got it, got it, got it, got it, got it, got it, got it, got it, got it, got it, got it, got it, got it, got it, got it, got it, got it, got it, got it, got it, got it, got it, got it, got it, got it, got it, got it, got it, got it, got it, got it profits. Ben, we're currently on square 52. Two squares away is another quark spar. This one, you know, today's episode, sort of a quark spar of our own making. Right. I don't know. I'm ready to do this. Again, this is pretty fun. Ben, what can you tell us about the next episode, though? The next episode is season seven episode four. Take me out to the hollow suite. Ffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffff Challenges is go and is crew to a baseball game. Is that how racial challenges are living? Tell you what if a if the Evocation of fuck bokeh doesn't happen in this episode? I might quit the show. I think we have to refund everybody their max fun contributions if fuck bokeh doesn't come up in the next episode.

Favorite Greatest gen cosplay was fuck bokeh doesn't come up in the next episode. Favorite greatest gen cosplay was fuck bokeh in Toronto. Yeah, that was great. Full uniform in the soccer parlance, the full kid. She was wearing the whole baseball uniform. F-bokai on the back brought a bat into the great hall in Toronto. Number 69. She came in through the back to get the stick in. Friend of a friend of DeSoto who we have loved and appreciated for years.

Alexandra Bowser, she came in with just one of the OG FODs. Really sent a message with the fuckbook hi-cows play. Totally. Awesome. Band, I'm gonna roll. You're required to learn as you play, roll. And I really wanted to. I'm gonna see you about calling my shot.

Okay, I see you pointing your baseball bat, not to the outfield, not to the bleachers, but to a point in the infield much closer to you. It looks about like a two that you're pointing at. Ben, like a poor marksman, I always miss the target. I have rolled a three. Shula! Did I win? I always miss the target. I have rolled a three. Shula! Did I win?

Hardly. Which puts one square past the quarks bar and one square in front of the looking at each other during. So it's gonna be a regular episode, but here's the thing about Greatest Gen. You never know which episode it's gonna be a quarks bar. Because one of us might be at an Airbnb, trying to have some chill hangs.

Well, that is gonna be a fun episode, whether or not we do any drinking to celebrate it, Adam. I'm looking forward to it. And I want to say thanks to all the folks that support the show at maximumfund.org slash join. I also wanna say thanks to our the folks that support the show at MaximumFund.org slash join. I also want to say thanks to our buddy Bill Tilly who we put on the payroll this year. Bill Tilly now runs the greatest trek social media accounts on Twitter and Instagram and we really appreciate all of the great work he's done. He's really made those fun accounts to follow. Lots of

high jinks, lots of like birthdays of beloved characters that we've talked about from the shows, jokes, trading cards, all the fun stuff. Sometimes you get into like you turn a social arrangement into a professional arrangement and it's a real mistake. I think we ran into this with Rob's. Yes, totally. Yeah, we hate him that way. But with Bill, it hasn't been that way. Like he's someone that we barely knew and we decided to pay him

without knowing him and he's doing a great job. I love that. I love it too. Here's the thing about Bill Tilly is that I think we probably trust Bribelky more. Yes. Like, Bribelky blessed the higher, and that's what made it okay with that. Bribelky co-signed Bribel Tilly's loan.

Which means when Bill Tilly scandalizes, it's actually Bribelky's loan. Yeah, you can send the bill to her. We also got to thank our buddy, Adam Rekusia, who makes all the original music for our program. He has a great cooking channel on YouTube, if you search Adam Rekusia. You can learn some great recipes. I made his shrimp scampy the other night. He uses celery leaves instead of parsley. It's fucking delicious. You fertilize the dirt, not the tomatoes,

when you're growing tomato plants. The thing about Adam Regusio is that it's got a twist. Flip it on its head. Yeah, and with that, we'll be back kitchen next time with another great episode of Start, Dreck, Deep Space, episode of Greatest Generation Deep Space 9, which will be a lot drier than this episode. So much drier. Look in the shorts area.

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