The Greatest Generation - I Hate Manure (S3E14)

Episode Date: August 24, 2016

When Riker gets accused of murder, Picard fights his first officer’s extradition the only way he knows how: by putting together a few days of holodeck Rashomon. The situation gets dire when radiation starts turning the ship into Swiss cheese. Why doesn’t Data compare Picard’s art style to potato Jesus? Is there any explosion Chief O’Brien can’t pull an away team out of? Is Riker secretly a total madman? It’s an episode in which our grievances with certain other Star Trek podcasts are laid to bed, and then inflamed anew.

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I'm Adam Pranica. Adam, before we started, I was a perving on the websites of some of our competitors. There are a lot of Star Trek podcasts out there and we have inflicted some some meanness toward a couple of them most notably Mission Log. Well back when it felt like punching up. Right, we felt like the David to their Goliath. And I think there's a couple of weeks ago now that you found out that our show is about as popular as the entire Trek.fm network. Yeah. Which was, which was amazing and humiliating? Yeah, like there's, there's embarrassment heading

in a lot of different directions based on that revelation alone. Yeah. But I think made us both feel like the time of us trying to start a war with another podcast just so that we could get our name mentioned had come to an end. Yeah, I don't agree with that. We've arrived. We're like the Rick Ross of Star Trek podcasts. Yeah, yeah. And yet occasionally I will I will purve on the sites of our various competitors.

And I was on the Mission Log website just now. It's important to comp shop the other stores, I think. See the shopper style. Yeah, I go in, I kick the tires. You see other customer services? Yeah, yeah, yeah. And they had a Mission Log hosted a big panel discussion at this Las Vegas Star Trek convention that they just had. The big LV50 Star Trek LV 2016. Basically, the convention I've wanted to go to most of any convention. The 50th in Vegas.

Yeah. And that didn't happen. Nobody called or invited. But what did I discover on their website but a YouTube video of a 45 minute panel discussion between them and like seven or eight other Star Trek podcasts. What? Yeah. And it's like, I don't remember going to that. Yeah, yeah. I have to assume our invitation got lost in the mail. Maybe it went to maximum fun HQ at first. These were all the great Star Trek podcasts

and attendance, right? Well, yeah, I mean, I think that they're all shows that... These are shows that exist. Exist. Yeah. But it did make me feel like maybe we don't... I think that we've definitely got... We've got proven game in that we've got an audience that really likes our show and they

tell us about it all the time. They're right as it drunksamota.gmail.com. But boy, I felt like real snubbed to discover that there was a specifically a podcasting panel at the Las Vegas Star Trek convention that us, one of the greats. And like, they said, I mean, one of the greats and I think they say mean one of the lamest yeah well I mean what's great about what we have on this thing of ours is that we as popular as we've become we've still solidified our outsider status yeah I guess so they're still pretty punk rock What were the big takeaways from the panel?

What would one hope to learn from a panel of these well-respected Star Trek podcasts that were also invited? I didn't get super deep into it. I was like watching it to kill time before you hopped on Skype. I will say that there was a lot of self-seriousness and not a lot of dick and fart jokes that I noticed.

You don't say. So that seems like maybe a point of distinction that we have. Well, I wish we could have gone to that podcast panel and showed them our giant hockey stick going in the upper direction. Yeah, I mean, I, a couple of the user shows that I had heard of before and a couple I had not heard of and I searched all of them on iTunes and they, I think we have more reviews now than all of

these shows put together probably. So I know, I mean, that's not exactly a definitive piece of statistics, but... God, what have we done? Well, we've created such a successful monster, no one wants to hang out with us now. Like we've overshot our goal so completely that we can't even attend Star Trek podcast panels basically the only events at a Star Trek convention that is appropriate for our attendance Yeah, we're unsuitable to invite Mm-hmm God there might have been a window there early on where we would have been right for an invitation back in the

Back in the month one era. But wow. I would say that as of about this recording, I'm just facing this on the trajectory we are currently on, but we're a little over six months into this project, and I think it's safe to say that when this episode goes up we will have crossed the million download mark. Yeah it's true as we've been getting closer to that markup and watching it more and more. Yeah we are totally gonna hit a million by the time this podcast gets released and that is ridiculous. In 30 lifetimes I didn't think a million people would listen to our show. No, but boy, how do you do we appreciate everybody that's listening? I mean, it's just...

You know, it just goes to show that it doesn't matter how many people listen. All anyone ever really wants to do is be invited to things. And I can't be satisfied with that million downloads because I know we weren't invited to sit at the cool table at the convention. Yeah, I mean, well, so here's the difference between you and me Adam. I think we both want to be invited to things, but you actually also want to go I suspect. Yeah, yeah, you want to decline with regards. Yeah, exactly. I want to send a very elegant, thick card stock note

that says I really appreciate the invitation, but I simply cannot. Wow. Well, it's one of the many differences between you and me, Ben. We'll list them off as our series continues. So with that, I just want to say thanks to everybody that's listening and. Yeah, it's a big milestone. Please treat our competitors with respect. Uh, I think it's not quite as funny as it used to be to, uh, to zing on them.

But that's, uh, you know, I was going through some feelings. So I'm glad we talked it out. I think we've said it before on Twitter if not on the pod, but I respect anyone who would embark on a project like this and do a show about Star Trek and give it any sort of effort at all. So anyone who's willing to do that, at least starts there with me. I'm gonna retract some of my, some of my niceties that I just said. They just scrolled down the Mission Log Bage a little bit

and it turned out they also had a hang at a teaky bar, which, oh, fuck those guys. Oh man, we should have been there. Are you fucking kidding me? Oh man. This is directly an attack. This is an outrage. This is a fucking outrage. Oh man. I'm sorry buddy. And Clint Howard was there. What the fuck? Man, how'd you like to be sitting poolside having a nice teaky drink with one Clint Howard? Clint Howard and his very tiny swim suit. Hahaha.

Just rockin' nuck with Clint Howard. How'd you like to do that? There's nothing I wanna do more. No, no, I can't think of it either. Wow. Well, yeah, that went in a bunch of places. That went from being hurt to some amount of sincerity to being really angry.

Yeah. We kind of went through all the podcast stages. You want to start the show, buddy? Let's do it This is season three episode 14 Space Rashomon yep a matter of perspective this is like a slug line that Seems like what happened a lot more often. Like, Commander Riker is accused of imperpriities on an away mission.

Like, this seems like it could be a thing that happens over and over again. Well, let's not get ahead of ourselves at him. All right. I would never. We start the episode with painting class. And Captain Picard and several no-name crew members are sitting in some unknown

lounge painting a nude woman. unclear if she's a holographic nude woman or just another crew member. If it's not a holographic woman and it's a real woman, like you've got to believe that she's super edgy, right? For being a starfleet officer. Like, look lady, you don't have to do this. Yeah, she left Riker's quarters and came directly there without putting an outfit on. Yeah.

Pretty great. Data comes in and starts kind of doing like Patrick Bateman style reviews of all the art. Yeah. You like Huey Lewis on the news? He's got these very wrote understandings of the way the art works. Ensign Williams striking style is heavily influenced by geometric constructivism. Their early work was a little too new wave for my taste.

But when sports came out in 83, I think that really came into their own. He's pretty unkind about Picard's and Picard cuts him off. Too archy. Too intellectuals. Furthermore, the unsettling overtones of proto-volcan influence. Thank you. Mr. Data. He's really complimentary to everyone else and I think that's the problem.

Like everyone is getting a little love from data. Right. Picard's final like, well, data, what do you think of mine? And data just fucking eviscerates it. It's not just about the pleasures of conformity and the importance of trends. It's also a personal statement about the band itself. Hey Paul! AAAAAAAA!

But to his credit, it looks like the botch Jesus restoration painting. It looks terrible. Yeah, I mean, I don't want to use a cliche, but I could paint that. Right. There is a, there is a version of this scene up on YouTube that that next gen reeditor, Gazzora made. Oh, yeah.

It's called Picard. And when they cut to the painting that Picard paints in the scene, it's that painting of the horse playing saxophone. And that's how it begins. It goes to a lot of great places, but it's definitely worth a watch. I'll make sure I link that on the Twitter page.

What fun. Well, if you link it on the Twitter page, we'll make sure to connect it up to the Facebook and the Reddit, because, you know, social media is fracturing, Adam. Yeah, it's important to hit all the bases. Yeah. You just kept talking one long. Incredibly unbroken sentence, moving from topic to topic.

So that no one had the chance to interpret the public was really quiet, if not, if not. They're at this space station, the Botanica for Research Station. And they're to check in on Dr. Nell Appgar, who is working on a thing called Krieger waves, which I guess they think are going to be like an energy source, like really unclear like what they are or what. It's kind of a kind of another MacGuffin technology. Right. like an energy source, like really unclear like what they are or what, it's kind of a kind of another MacGuffin technology. Right. And some flat forwarding waves.

This is the first cranky old man scientist that we've met that isn't human. So that's like an interesting ripple. He looks like he's realized the natural evolution of the poly from sopranos hair. Like, he goes all the way up with the poly from sopranos hair. Let's whack this cock-sucker when we don't want it. He looks pretty distinguished. There's a good deal of interesting hair in this episode because his assistant, Tena, she's got like, you know, devil's tower and close encounters

of the third kind. That's what her hair kinda looks like. So. And Nell's wife looks like she went and got a perm, but like the size of the rollers were like paper towel rolls. They're true. They're true. In fact, being paper towel rolls.

Yeah. So Picard gets up to the bridge and Dirty's up there and he's like, Ggggg, that was not a great oil emission. Any problems? Not with the scientific part of the mission, no sir. Briker, do I have a prize? I'm ready to leave now.

And you know, your mind races, because Dirty's got a lot to feel bad about if he's going on an oil emission with Riker. Just because of the amount of the amount of wetness that Riker's dick is going to encounter relative to Jordy's. It's like being the water boy on the high school football team and hanging out with the quarterback. Like all you're doing is watching him fuck. Yeah, man. And this is like one of those weird episodes where, you know, this is a team of professionals

that are supposed to have each other's highest respect, but they keep kind of like not discussing what happened with each other. Like, like, Riker Radio's up and he's like, I would like to get out of here now, which is a real uncomfortable sounding situation. And nobody's able to pry it out of him in a timely way. Yeah. They're trying to beam Riker back when the station goes up like a Roman candle.

And there's like a brief moment where they think that maybe Riker's beam didn't go through but uh you know this is like a moment that they've played for suspense one too many times. We know that chief O'Brien's got his ass. Yeah. So he comes through and he's like he's in a real foul mood and O'Brien's like man I didn't think we were gonna have you and Riker's like, what do you mean? It's just like the way Riker behaves throughout this whole episode is so weird. Yeah, he's real grumpy Gus. Yeah And you might just play it off as O'Brien being O'Brien because he's always fucking with people like that. Yeah, definitely like the the you just

beamed in equivalent of when you're about to beam out going oh I'm sure this is gonna go great. Yeah, yeah, that's the no worries thing. Yeah, he is the he is the carny of the ship. He's always dropping bolts on the on the floor before the ride takes off. Everyone loves a funny transport or chief. So after this station explodes, the planet sends up an investigator named Craig who comes on board looking to extra-dite riker. Like they're from jump pretty convinced that Riker was behind the explosion and behind killing Dr. Appgar. He was, you know, Dr. Appgar was murdered

and Riker was the only one there and they have testimony down on the planet that leads them to believe that Riker did it maliciously. It's not an accident, It was a straight up hit. And so Picard has to like lawyer back and forth with crag about whether Riker's just gonna get extra-dited because I guess this planet does a guilty and tell proven innocent approach to justice,

which is the opposite of the federation. Right. But like, what's the deal with this? What is this species? Like, are they in the federation? Or. But like, what's the deal with this? What is this species? Like, are they in the federation? Or are they just like a client species that's doing work for the federation? Like, what's going on there?

I don't know. He tries to big dog Picard right away. Yeah. And so like, well, as long as you're in the orbit of my planet, you have to, you have to obey these rules. And one of those rules is giving me your first officer so he can stand trial.

If I understand federation regulations on this matter, and I just happen to look them up before. I am aware of federation regulations, sir. And Picard to his credit is like, fuck that. Like, no. And to Cragg's credit, he's like, well, how else are we gonna try this guy? We can't do it on your ship. he's not gonna get a fair trial here.

You guys are best buds, like help me out here. After the big dogging, he sort of chills out and they start talking pragmatically about it. Right, this is a, there's a lot of fun stuff here, like there's a shot where, like, Riker's basically been banned from the ready room while the guard deals with this. There's a shot where Riker's like peeking in from the bridge like, what's going on in there? And I get, so Craig and Appgar are the same race.

And I'll say that Craig kind of looks like, he's got like, divorced dad on a date kind of look going on. He's got like a... Well, he's got, yeah, he's like a suit that doesn't fit him that good and like a turtle neck. Oh, like, I see what you're saying. Like he's trying, but he doesn't really have the materials to like try and also look good.

Right, yeah, exactly. He's a little bit too used to being a dad to like try and also look good. Right, yeah, exactly. He's a little bit too used to being a dad to like cut a dash at this point. He's not gonna go by a new clothes. He's just gonna wear the best stuff he has. Yeah, and he's brimming with competence. Like he comes up to this ship like full of self assurance, but the rest of the episode is sort of about Picard just kind of breaking this guy down bit by bit.

Yeah, and good for him, like he comes up alone, he does this trial by himself. Yeah, it was brave. He didn't even have a friend call his cell phone like halfway through just in case it wasn't going well and he would have a plausible out. Right. It is a crazy, crazy, one with the three of you bass. Are you wrong, find it within yourself? Just stand up, tell the truth.

You don't deserve the way of that beautiful. So what they do is they set up a holodeck recreation of what was going on on the station. And based on sworn testimony that Raker, Dr. Apgar's wife and Dr. Apgar's wife, and Dr. Apgar's assistant, Tena, read into the computer, they do like a rashamon style thing

where they show each person's story as they remembered it. And it's like a series of events where from Raker's perspective, Apgar's wife was like throwing herself on him. And from her perspective, Riker was like, basically going to force himself on her and rape her. Like she outwardly accuses him of attempting to rape her. And from Tain's perspective, it's more or less,

like her story more or less, like her story more or less comports with AppGar's wife. And this is like a, this is a real humdinger because Troy, did you just open like seven cans of beer? Yeah, I've got them lined up. Wow. Troy like can't, Is that not how you're supposed to drink beer

You don't just open up all the beers in front of you because that's how I do it Well, I only usually do two at a time because that's how many my helmet fits. Oh, right, right Troy is not able to like discount the testimony that either of them gives against riker You know like she's like the they believe that they are telling the truth. And that really, I feel like that opens up an interesting thought experiment because we know that Riker's kink, his fetish, is consent. Right?

All he wants is more consent than you could really ever know what to do with. More money than you can ever spend. Yeah. And his testimony makes it look like that's kind of what the deal was. Like she wanted him from jump and basically wouldn't take his know for an answer. Like she had more consent than he knew what to do with.

And like, Apgar like steps in on them and he's like, I knew I'd find you with him. Did you think I didn't notice how you looked at him? I'm not the fool you take me for. He like takes a very pathetic swing at Riker that Riker easily steps out of the way of. But like in Rker's memory, he looks super feeble.

Right, but then Manua, the wife. I hate Manua. That's the job he can use. Oh, thank you. The wife is like the opposite where she was just trying to show him to his room and he's like grabbing her and like trying to disrobe her and stuff and And the husband comes in and sort of heroically tries to fight Riker despite being a much feeble or man

Please I knew you try this Riker. Do you think I didn't notice how you looked at her? I'm not the fool you take me for yeah What Troy articulates really is like the light detector problem, right? Like, it is, as long as the person believes they're telling the truth, then that is as good as the actual truth with respect to a machine that's able to tell the difference. Or, in a proceeding like this, when a betazoid believes that all parties are telling the truth, like, it doesn't help anyone.

It becomes totally subjective at that point. Right, and they never really resolved that. Like, Riker stays accused of rape when they leave, but he's absolved of the murder. So like, it's, I don't know, like I felt like they, it's one of those like classic things in TV where like a perfectly serious accusation is kind of ignored because it's something a man

might have done to a woman. But it's also like, it definitely means that either Riker or AppGar's wife, Manua, I hate menor! is insane. Like one of them is fully mental and believes something that didn't happen happened. Right. And it's very scary to think that that might be Riker because we've got like three and a half

more seasons to spend with this guy and he could be a monster if Manuai is not insane. But Yeah, the stakes are pretty high, right? Yeah, but I also don't want to victim blame, you know? Like... Of course not. Yeah, so, uh, problematic. Hashtag, problematic. This is becoming a speech. Where the cat comes to, very entitled.

Hmm, I'm going to type a ramble on about something everyone knows. You know, Troy tells Riker, look, like this lady believes she's telling the truth, but I know you, and I know that that's, that that can't be what's happened here. Like, she has a very acute power in terms of like perceiving whether or not someone's honest or believable But she's falling back on something that you and I have which is just like gut, right? Mm-hmm Yeah, and data doesn't have right Speaking of data. Let's talk about what data Jordy and Wes are up to. Wesley the boy the boy Young westerly crusher. My son. Yeah. They're doing some science. The B story here is sort of two stories in one right they're trying to figure out how the station

was destroyed. And also there is some pretty dangerous radiation showing up on the ship and it's melting steel beams. Yeah and I didn't think that radiation could melt steel beams. But then I discovered a website called info wars.com and that really turned me around on the issue. What happened to Shuttle Pod 7? Yeah. Shuttle Pod 7.

Did you know that no Jews were killed when the station was destroyed? Oh God I did not know that It's true. Is this something I'd have to watch loose change to know anything about? Yeah, you're gonna you're gonna want to get in touch with what was going on there because it's a there's more to it than the official Mainstream media report would lead you to believe. Do you think we have more seduction community listeners or 9-11 truthers in our audience? That we've now completely turned off.

I don't know that we want, like, on the off chance that any of them do listen. Are any of them like going to actually donate to support the show or buy a product if we are in a position to advertise a product? Oh, I don't know. I don't know what they believe. Yeah. I don't understand it. Jen, yeah. We sure do conduct this show like we don't care. We, who we alienate, that's for sure. That's just being true to ourselves. That's, you know what, Ben? That's what you do when you're outside the pocket, a big rod. Yeah, we're gonna do us.

So yeah, these radiations keep happening all over the ship and it's, I guess, happening on a very regular interval. And so what they work out is that it's related to a generator that's down on the planet's surface, and there's like a great cut to commercial scene where Wesley, Data, and Jordi are like, Captain, we've figured the whole thing out. We now know what is causing the bursts, and why the science station exploded, sir. And we also know who killed Dr. Apcar. We know everything. Explosions are and we also know who killed Dr. Apcar. We know everything

That scene was really distracting to me not for the reason that you just stated but because Wes's hair continuity was totally off Did you pick this up at all? Yeah, this is like the last era of Wes's hair, just being a hot fucking mess. They clearly did this on separate days because the white angle, the foreshot, he's rocking the buffon and the single, he's got like supercuts here, like a nice, a nice deep part, nice crisp wave over the top. Yeah, he looks like he may have been illustrated with a,

like a graphite pencil. Looks like he should be wearing some LA gear tennis shoes. Some British nights. Yeah. Well, they go back to the holodeck. And we should say like there's been some pretty cool holodeck effects in this episode where they're, they're all like sitting around on the holodeck and we should say like there's been some pretty cool holodeck effects in this episode where they're they're all like sitting around on the holodeck watching these scenes play out and Like right girl will be in two places in the room because one of them will be a

holographic representation and it's all done like pretty pretty damn well, I would say Pretty well for the early 90s especially Yeah, so they go back and Picard is like in, he's in like closing arguments mode because he's about to, he's about to tie this case up with a nice big bow. But isn't it remarkable that with all the witnesses, all the different points of view of the events aboard the space station we haven't seen what really happened. What it turns out is that the reproduction of the station was focusing the generator energy

from a planet's surface and actually making these Krieger waves that they are there to learn about. And the Krieger waves are melting parts of the ship all over the place. And so they wind up being able to orient the simulation in such a way that the Krieger waves are melting parts of the ship all over the place. And so they wind up being able to orient the simulation in such a way that the Krieger wave bounces off the simulated beam out of simulated riker, hits the reactor core and blows up the station. Yeah, turns out Nell was the murderer. Right. It's like, which is not a plot point that I had anticipated from watching the movie now.

That's for sure. Yeah. Also a surprise. Yes. Spoiler alert. If you love mid 90s Jody Foster movies, I recommend now. This is our first jumbo chan ad of the episode is for now.

The inspector, Craig is like, oh, well cool, that solves that. And that rape accusation, like, we don't really have to worry too much about that. So bye guys. And then Picard lets Riker order the ship out of the system. And that's the end. Yeah. I mean, Craig apologizes to him at the table. And Riker just sort of gives him the nod. But Riker's been living with days of people looking at him suspiciously, like his friends sort of giving him the cold shoulder. Like he's definitely feeling the accusation socially. Right.

The accusation is as bad as its potential truth. It's pretty rough. Yeah. It's, uh. They do everything to prove that, except show that scene where Riker sits down at lunch with a group of his buds and all of his buds get up and leave He didn't quite go that far. Yeah Yeah, nobody tried to steal the cornbread off of the off of his prison plate. Yeah, yeah

What did you think of this episode Adam? I? Did not like this episode. Um, and it, I think the reason that I just liked it wasn't due to its relative strength or weakness of its story, but man, this score was really front and center. It was so loud and it was so synthy. It's like they brought back the synth guy and paid him double. Or they brought back his cat and let the cat walk around on the keyboard? Yeah, I don't know. I thought the music sort of kneecapped the seriousness of the proceedings in a way that I just sort of couldn't take it seriously. Yeah. I mean, yeah, that's where I'm at. Did you like it? It's not, it's

definitely not even close to being the worst episode this season, which means it's better than most of the episodes we've watched so far. Yeah, very true. But yeah, I mean, it's not- I'm always down with a Rashomon story. Yeah, I think what it achieves is that sometimes in a Rashomon, you know, any story that uses the Rashomon plot device, which if you don't know is a very famous carousel of film, where, you know, the story of a crime is told from the perspective of several different characters.

And they're, you characters and the inconsistencies are revealed in the fact that we see filmic reproductions of each version of the story. And I think that at its worst that device can be really boring and repetitive and they never got anywhere close to that with this. They didn't repeat anything that was unnecessary to repeat. And the couple of things that they did repeat were interesting to watch the different versions. There's a version of it where Riker

like hits Dr. Apgar and the gut a couple of times. Yeah, it was fun to see the differences in their perceptions, especially when it comes to like manhood, right? Right. Like Riker made himself much more masculine compared to Nell. I mean in all ways and in Manua's Retailing, I hate Manua! She made her husband seem more masculine than Riker, which is just a laughable concept, if you ask me.

Adam, why don't we turn on the subspace radio and see if we have any messages? Okay. Priority one message from Starfleet coming in on Secure Channel. I need a supplement on it. supplement on it? supplement supplement Yes, extra. We need a supplement on top of the month. Stop on the month. Stop on the month.

Yeah, it's extra. But the interest alone could be enough to buy this ship. We've got two messages coming in over the Transome Adam. And the first is from Susie. She says, dear Leif. Leif? Dear Leif. Thank you for being married to me.

Even though I made you listen to hours of this podcast while driving around the West Fjords of Iceland. That's a great use of your vacation time. Yeah. I know, I know I believe that name to be Lave. And then she says also a shout out to our beloved friend Danielle in Portland who has developed a crush on Adam. I hope I just embarrassed you, Danny.

Oh man. You've got a fan, Adam. Hello, Daniel. Haha. Haha. Haha. I want you to know that I'm now forsaking my blowup doll for you. Haha.

Haha. I'm expecting an infinite lifetime of living. Hedge forth. Wow, yeah, we have, we have listener crushes now, Ben. That's great. That's exciting. I don't know Danny, but I feel like I see, I know what she sees in you Adam. I have no idea.

Only one person in this world sees anything in me and it's my lovely wife But but it's it's very flattering to hear that is that's super flat you enjoy the show Danny You should be flattered you may have more Twitter followers Ben But I have more declared crushes and you deserve okay our next one is a little bit I'm gonna say mental it's from Ben, and it says, please recite as much of data as owed to spot. That's huge, that's your self-respect will permit. I guess it's not too anybody. Really?

Oh wait, no, it's two fans of Android poetry. So it's not too anybody? So it's not too any. Well, maybe we trade couplets? Sure. Yeah. I mean, we might reach our threshold for tolerance pretty quick. It's not that long, right?

Feelis-cattus, your taxonomic nomenclature, an endothermic quadruped carnivorous by nature. Your visual olfactory and auditory senses contribute to your hunting skills and natural defenses. I think it's as boring as it is portrayed to be in the episode that it comes from. Oh yeah. Which we don't like to read ahead, but I think everybody remembers this moment. I think that's as far as we need to go with that, right?

Yeah. I mean, let's skip to the last one. Let's skip to the end, right? We don't want to conclude this properly. Oh, Spot, the complex levels of behavior you display can note a fairly well-developed, cognitive array. And though you are not sentient, spot, and do not comprehend, I nonetheless consider you a true and valued friend.

I have a cat that lives in my house, Ben, which is how I describe that relationship. Yeah. I do not feel this way about the cat that lives in my home. And I wholeheartedly agree in data's take that she is not sentient and cannot comprehend much of anything. Besides the destruction of my things. Well, here's hoping your wife isn't listening to this podcast. Oh, yeah, she really loves the cat.

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We're actually, we're podcasters. We are podcasters, so it's different. Have you heard of Ono Ross and Carrie? We investigate spirituality, claims of the paranormal, stuff like that. And you have a boat and say the world's gonna end, so seem like something for us to check out. We would love to be on the boats.

We came two by two. What do you think? O'Neil Ross and Kerry, available on MaximumFun.org. Hey Ben. What's that Adam? Holographic or otherwise, did you find yourself a drunk Shimoda? Drunk Shimoda! I'm so torn in a million directions on this one.

And I think that the real Shimoda is probably one of the characters in this A storyline, but I'm gonna give it to data in the cold open, because data does something that I just think is so... Shimoda-like, which is he's standing there with cast in Picard. He knows that his honest opinion of Picard's painting is that Picard's painting is shit. It's a pile garbage. And Picard is really insistent that the data review it.

And I just feel like data is so incapable of being artful. He's like a drunk guy giving you his frankest opinion because he's so drunk. Doesn't have any way of tamping it down and therefore it gets my drunk shimoater for the episode. How about yourself? Before we move on to mine, I thought I'd let you know that I read

in a version of this scene at the very end Picard destroys the painting by throwing red paint on it. Jesus. Yeah, I don't know if that was the script version or if they ever actually filmed it, but that was what I had read. Which I think kind of changes Picard's character in an interesting way, like, especially with his relationship to data. Like, I've really seen Picard as an ally in Data's quest for humanity,

and if he were to take Data's criticism like that, like a baby, I don't know, I think that would really, that would really give their relationship a couple steps back. I'm glad we didn't see that version. Yeah, me too. Ben, I want to do something for my Shimoda that I'm hoping you can help me out with. All right. I would like to act out the trial of Riker with me being Riker's defense attorney. So if you could be the foreman and if you could be the foreman and the judge, just begin the trial and then ask me for my opening argument,

I will take it from there. Okay. In the case of the people versus Riker William T, he is represented by Adam Pranaka. Sir, what is your opening statement? Thank you, Your Honor. I have only one piece of evidence and one piece of information to enter into evidence, I guess.

And that is this. Your Honor, you can't kill Commander Riker. You can only cope to contain his raw sexual energy. You think this man would want to murder anyone else for the love of a woman? Riker could have anyone. Anyone in the galaxy. Which also means that no one is worth killing for.

I rest my case. To me, that is the defense for William Riker. He could have anyone. He doesn't need to kill for anyone. As the judge, I have to agree. Your evidence is so compelling that we can't even possibly hear the prosecution's argument at this point. That's how a trial works, right, Ben? I'm adjourning this case, Adam.

OK, good. What do we have coming up on the next episode? So the next episode, a lot of people very excited about this one. In the season three episode 15, yesterday's Enterprise. The course of history is altered when a time-rift brings a starship enterprise from the past into the present with a crew that includes Tasha Yarr. Now, my memory of that episode does not comport with that description at all. Yeah.

Wow, that would be amazing. Yeah, seems like that might make even less sense than the episode that we're about to watch. I do remember this episode, Ben. Yeah. This is one of the great episodes. There's a lot of fun about it. It's also, you know, I have a real pet peeve

when Star Trek does time travel. Sure. This is one of the ones that I don't mind as much, but I never think it's great. So as much as I like the, you know, kind of refit of the enterprise as a different type of ship that happens in this episode, the time travel element just never works for me. Oh, interesting.

So you don't hold this episode in as high regard as I do. I mean, I think that there's a lot, there's a lot great about it. But I just, I think that the time travel shit just never holds up under any amount of scrutiny. And I'm here to scrutinize, man. You don't like that, which is all powerful. You don't like, you don't like the Q type people and you don't like time travel. Yeah, I'm not into it. Hmm. Well, I love this episode. I love it so much that I'm a little nervous to review it. Well, we will be doing that on the next episode of this show.

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The goose. Yeah, that guy's the best. He really is. One of our earliest champions. Yeah. Couldn't have done it without him. What else do we need to say, Adam? I think that's about it.

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