The Greatest Generation - Lennies of the World Unite (VOY S7E24)
Episode Date: April 29, 2024When Dr. Mark is forced to go undercover by the Overlookers, he starts impersonating his colleagues and almost incites a mutiny. But when a kidnapped Captain Janeway would rather be sacrificed than sa...ved, Dr. Mark goes eggy and doesn’t wait for a second opinion before making his confessions. What makes for a bad fire season in Southern California? Who is doing Voyager’s safety audits? Why does Tom Paris have a George Constanza wallet? It’s the episode that should have killed Vorik.Support the production of The Greatest GenerationGet a thing at podshop.biz!Sign up for our mailing list!Follow The Game of Buttholes: The Will of the Caretaker!The Greatest Generation is produced by Wynde PriddySocial media is managed by Rob Adler and Bill TilleyMusic by Adam Ragusea & Dark MateriaFriends of DeSoto for: Labor | Democracy | JusticeDiscuss the show using the hashtag #GreatestGen and find us on social media:YouTube | Facebook | X | Instagram | TikTok | Mastodon | Bluesky | ThreadsAnd check out these online communities run by FODs: Reddit | USS Hood Discord | Facebook group | Wikia | FriendsOfDeSoto.social
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It's a Star Trek podcast by a couple of guys who are just a little bit embarrassed about
having a Star Trek podcast. I'm Ben Harrison. I'm Adam Pranica. How you doing today, Adam?
Hot! This is like the first hot week we've had in LA in a long time. Yeah, it's
been one of those years. Every year, no matter what the weather does, they
tell us it's gonna be bad for fire season. This year, because it's wet, lots of growth, so there will be lots of fires. Of course, when it's not wet,
they're like, oh, everything's going to be very dry, so lots of fires. Either way, lots
of fires.
Yeah, I'm not thinking about that at all until it happens. It's not changing my fire setting
plans for the year, I'll tell you that much.
Good.
Good.
Your confession heard here first on The Greatest Generation.
No one's going to either see or hear this confession.
How about you, Ben?
Nice to be back in shorts.
Mm-hmm.
Enjoying that aspect of it.
Feels good.
Yeah.
Buying little baby shorts for Doron, that's fun.
I'm born.
Oh, what is that about?
Like, let me ask you a question.
They're all elastic bands at this point, right?
Like, at what age do you get fitted shorts or pants?
You probably don't do that until you're like 10, right?
I gotta say, less and less do I even see fitted shorts
for grown boys like myself available.
Like all my favorite brands are moving
to a drawstring format on their shorts.
You said it, and that is great comfort.
Do you like that a lot?
I think that
that's a pandemic relic, you know? Yeah. Everybody was getting into soft pants over the last four
years and I think the manufacturers are finally catching up. My wife dunks on me all the time
because I think the first time I ever wore denim with a little bit of stretch in it I was just going on and on about how comfortable it was and she's like you fucking dudes
20 years behind the curve on comfy jeans
Like enjoy it. I hope you do but but just know this is a ladies invention first
it was a ladies' invention first. It was a ladies' invention first. I saw a video by a lady, I think she was maybe an electrician.
She did something where she desired a certain type of performance out of her jeans and had
to buy men's jeans because the stretch, I can't remember if it was fire or electricity,
but she worked with some kind of hazardous situation where the stretch was a liability.
And so she had to buy, if she was buying jeans, she had to buy men's jeans because they just
don't even make women's jeans without stretching them anymore.
And she was complaining about that.
Did she talk anything about how they button and zip the opposite way?
Oh.
Because I've told you this story, right, where I wore women's jeans in high school without
knowing it because they were just in the in the sail rack of the men's section.
I didn't know any better.
I was like, wow, weird jeans.
Why are they buttoning and zipping on the wrong side?
And also, why does it make my ass look completely dumpy? I couldn't fill him up.
There's a butt in there, I hope.
I think that the story behind that is that, like,
fancy ladies used to be dressed by other people,
so the buttons were reversed so that they could be done from the...
Yeah, I've had a couple of garments that were reverse button and I feel like many things,
women are like much more comfortable going
and getting something out of the men's section
in general than men are.
You know, our masculinities are very fragile
little houses of cards and we can't just dip a toe
in the ladies' section.
I would love to buy clothing that went either direction because it's supposed to be good
for your brains when you brush with your other hand, that's your non-dominant hand.
When you button or zip, when you jacket, European style, these things are all good for your
brains.
They're good for neuroelasticity,
and they may well have been a cue,
if anybody had been looking for who, in fact,
was playing the part of the captain in today's episode.
Hey, that zipper on your uniform
is oriented the incorrect way.
How about that?
You just pivoted us into show, didn't you?
I did it seamlessly.
No seams, no edits in this episode, Ben.
Could you call it the penultimate episode?
You sure could.
Of the finale of Star Trek Voyager.
It's season seven, episode 24.
Renaissance man.
Rebirth course.
Unless you've got something a little bigger in your torpedo tubes, I'm not turning them out.
Hard!
I was really worried about this episode from this opening shot.
Tell me why.
Because, because Doctor piping opera into the Delta Flyer and singing at the top of
his lungs doesn't usually bode well for what the episode's gonna be like, you know? I thought maybe Captain Janeway had a death wish because not only is she going to a conference,
she's having Dr. Mark be the Uber driver. I didn't think that was a good look at all. And
when she is woken up by Dr. Mark singing, she's only been asleep for 15 minutes.
Did I hear that right?
That's what I wrote down as well.
I don't know, Dr. Mark.
I don't know how you got such a nice Janeway in this scene.
A Janeway that's perturbed, but also a Janeway who should just shut off your fucking hollow
emitter to get some goddamn
sleep.
At this point she should.
She was unbelievably forgiving, I will say.
With a hologram on board, who needs a crew?
Do you think she could hit a button on the holo emitter and just like turn off his head?
Like the head just disappears at the neck. Would it be hollow neck, like you just see the inside
of the textures on the polygon frame of his body?
That would be less horrifying than...
Yeah.
...than, like, gasping gore.
Ha ha.
Yuck.
Why even go to a medical symposium?
I don't know, man.
Janeway?
It doesn't seem like something she'd be into, but they are talking about how they've enjoyed
each other's company a little bit, and then they get a little micro-banger, and it's a
subspace eddy, and it's going to be an adventure from here on in, let's just say.
The moments before the theme are like,
the bangers get dropped,
and Dr. Mark trying to comfort Janeway with his confidence.
Is there anything less confidence inspiring
than Dr. Mark at the controls of the Delta Flyer saying,
just stand back, I got this.
And may not known for his piloting skills at all, right?
Who's bragging about how he's also writing a paper
in his head during.
You know how he can turn himself
into an emergency command hologram?
He should turn himself into emergency pilot hologram.
And then he skins himself in the like white drive
uniform that we saw earlier this season.
How much would that rule?
Oh yeah.
The EPH, the F if you will.
Yeah.
Janeway's got to turn on do not disturb though, with this driver.
She really does.
So when we come back from theme, we are with the Voyager, BLT and Enz and Voric are working on some engineering problem.
And I put a lot of money on this being the episode in which Voric dies. I was like, well, we're wrapping up the last season.
We're saying goodbye to a lot of characters that have had a few episodes, but not many.
I love that bet.
This guy's doomed in this episode, right?
It sure seems that way.
You get a pretty tight close-up frame on him and BLT, and I gotta ask, is he cutting his
own bangs?
Seems like something is a little wavy.
Yeah. Cutting across like something is a little wavy. Yeah.
Cutting across like he might be depressed or something.
We do not discuss it.
Yeah, or he held a single piece of high quality toilet paper up to his head as a guide when
he cut his bangs.
That's a great callback.
I have not stopped thinking about that since you told me about it.
I still haven't seen this toilet paper in the wild, but I'm fascinated.
Oh, you got to come over and take a great big shit over here.
You can try it out.
I would love nothing less.
Ben, back when I used to work in giant airplane company, lockout tag out was a huge deal because there are a million
things on an aircraft that can kill you if you got someone on the flight deck hitting
switches and someone on the plane somewhere doing work. Why is that not a thing in the
24th century?
Well, a lot of safety procedures have been done away with over the years. Yeah. Sure are. Maybe they're doing their own safety audits on Voyager.
We got this. Don't worry about it. BLT gets called to the shuttle bay where Tiki Tom Paris wants to
have a romantic lunch with wifey. And this might be the most charmed BLT has ever seemed in his presence.
I feel the same way. This Roxanne Dawson take feels really unique.
This is so sweet, but I can't.
She really looks like she loves him in this scene in a way that I don't know that I've ever recognized before
in either BLT or that I've ever recognized before
in either BLT or anyone I've been close to in my life.
Like the affection radiating off of her. God, what's that like?
It's also interesting because I think we've seen the grand romantic gesture go the other way.
Like, she has made him a TV so that they can share
his second favorite thing together.
Duck, duckers!
But it doesn't seem like he always often goes out of his way
to be like super sweet like this.
I mean, you know, there is the fact that the chicken looks
super fucking rancid, you know, there is the fact that the chicken looks super fucking rancid, you know,
undercutting this somewhat,
but it's a nice gesture that he's doing.
Like, hey, come take a break from work
and we'll have a little romantic lunch, you know?
Couple of things about how Paris is looking in this scene.
One, if you're bee dunks, how psyched are you
to show up for your shoot day
and see that your costume is
Hawaiian shirt.
What a great thing.
And two, you should be able to buy the action figure of Tom Paris wearing the Hawaiian shirt.
He looks fucking great.
You know, some people look kind of just a little bit off wearing a Hawaiian shirt.
Not quite right.
Kind of dopey dad in Hawaii on vacation or whatever.
Like Paris really wears this shirt
and I think it matters that it's reddish.
It looks good on him.
Yeah, it's a command red base to the shirt.
That matters.
Yeah, as a person who wears lots of Aloha shirts
and looks dumpy in them,
I really admired how he looked in this. Yeah, yeah.
He looks great.
He is motivated to get some alone time with BLT in this scene.
It's not just a kind gesture.
It's a seduction technique because that baby coming
and they're not going to be alone for too much longer.
And at the end of the scene, she promises this won't be the last time that they're alone and also like maybe
Subtly even when the baby comes like they're they're gonna make the time for each other
This is one of those like hey if you want to induce labor. This is one of the things that's supposed to help also. Oh
Yeah, fried chicken and potato salad Well, spicy food and spicy interpersonal actions.
Oh, jeez.
Extra paprika, he says.
Just the way you like it.
I did not know that.
Yeah. These are the things you learn.
Anyways, up on the bridge, we get a line for a guy that has been in a million episodes of Voyager
as a background performer.
And I remembered him typically to be wearing yellow,
but Tarek Ergen got an upgrade to his uniform
and an upgrade to his role on the show.
He's sitting there in Tom Paris's seat saying lines.
There's some kind of pulse being directed
at our transceiver array.
Am I making any sense here?
Finally. He's got to be so psyched until he reads the script, and he's like, wait, I'm like, take me There's some kind of pulse being directed at our transceiver array. Am I making any sense here?
Finally. He's got to be so psyched until he reads the script and he's like,
wait, I'm like taking orders from Harry Kim.
You know, I can go back to being a background actor.
I see what you're trying to do here. It's nice.
But it kind of destroys the character I built in my head for this guy.
So they get a message from Janeway and she's broadcasting it in an unusual way.
She's like using the deflector dish on the Delta Fire to do this.
It just blows away half of the saucer of Voyager.
Mistakes were made.
Yeah. Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha Absolutely. Anyways, the transmission is a little blurry, which maybe in retrospect is intentional, but he's like, yeah, we got into a bit of a scrape.
We're all right, but ship's a little torn up and I need to speak to Chakotay the moment
I get back on board.
What the fuck is Harry Kim to you, Janeway, your fucking secretary?
Why don't you ask him yourself?
That's what I was thinking this scene.
Yeah. Where is he? He's not in there. Just off doing something else.
Wouldn't you like to have a bottle episode for like, Chacote's Day?
Chacote's Day and it's just him sitting in his quarters with a million fresh boxes of
dicks and ticonderoga's sharpening them individually.
The pan flute in his quarters, just playing at a deafening volume.
Sounds great.
So she comes aboard and.
Chakotay is there waiting for her and she's like, okay, really bad news,
series ending bad news. There's this species, they're called the recall. We got into a scrape
with them. They are ecological extremists who have this crazy idea that warp travel
fucks up subspace. And we all know that's not true, because we've never watched that one particular episode
of TNG that was never referenced again.
But we've already reaped the punishment of our ship being disassembled and us being repopulated
to an M-class planet.
And I'm basically happy with the deal because I'm sick and tired of
being responsible for all you assholes and this way we can just live out the rest of
our existence in peace. They're going to take our warp core away and we're not telling anyone
about this until we get to this planet.
This is a really fun episode starting now for the actors, I think, because this is a Kate Mulgrew performance
where she is not acting as Janeway. She's acting as someone who's trying to act like she's Janeway.
And she's got all this information to give Chakotay and she like storms into this meeting
with Chakotay and she's like breathing heavy. Like, like she just went through some shit.
Catherine, there's got to be another way. I'm tired, Jacote.
It's so much fun to think about as the episode unfolds,
like all these different actors used to playing these characters,
but forced to play them a little off
due to them being kind of puppet mastered by the doctor later.
Right. Yeah, it's wild to think about.
So, Jacote is understandably perturbed by this sudden
development and he's like, well, like, shouldn't we talk about this? And she's like, no, I
don't have time to talk about it or give you any benefit of the doubt on my decisions surrounding
this.
He is in conversation jail and I guess rank jail because she is pretty abrupt toward the end of this scene
and she's like, I don't want to talk about it and I don't want the crew to know either.
Leave.
Dismissed.
And when Chakotay leaves, my bet was Chakotay is going to mutiny her.
It feels like a perfect pretext for the mutiny.
We've all suspected he's always wanted to do.
Yeah.
Yep.
So in engineering, Janeway walks in to talk to BLT and she's got
a hypothetical to propose.
Could we tow our own warp core at warp?
This is a question that made absolutely zero sense to me, but I guess what
she's doing is like using the example of Voyager
first in order to apply it to the Delta Flyer after.
Yeah.
And BLT is like, well, I mean, what?
I guess like the solution to that's pretty theoretical.
And Janeway is like, cool, make the tractor be modifications to both
Voyager and the Delta
Flyer.
It's like my, this is a hypothetical question t-shirt is forcing a lot of questions answered
by my, this is a hypothetical questions t-shirt.
This is like when your partner's like, hey, hypothetically, what do you think about opening
up the relationship?
And you're like, I don't know.
I mean, maybe I'd think about it.
And she's like, I know this guy.
We're all going out tonight.
Whoa.
That escalated quickly.
Yeah. So she keeps kind of like making excuses to get out of places. And the next one is on the bridge where it's also clear that she's kind of
a Gaius Baltaring in this scene.
Yeah.
Clearly there's somebody else there that's trying to jack her off and she needs to
kind of keep it cool
for the benefit of everyone else on the bridge.
But they all notice.
I heard you the first time.
Captain?
Many, many, many times before,
in situations where Chakotay and Janeway have been together,
she claims to have a headache in order to leave.
And this is one of those moments.
Yeah. You have the bridge, Chikote.
I need to go spend some me time.
Ha ha!
It's Sato!
Cut over to Six-Bay, where after the scene,
Chikote asks Dr. Mark, anything weird
happen on that mission when you were together,
when you came in contact with those aliens?
And the way the doctor tells this story
does not do the curiosity about Janeway any favors because he's like, yeah, you know, they shut me down
for when they interrogated her. And then when they turned me back on again, she seemed pretty roughed
up. But other than that, I mean, pretty standard Uber trip to a conference.
I also like that he beams into Six-Bay and Jacote's like, what was that about?
And he's like, what do you mean?
Yeah.
It's just trying to be efficient.
Jacote orders a more thorough examination of Janeway by Dr.
Mark and he agrees to do that.
Then in the ass lab explores the idea of what if there's
a cloaked fleet somewhere that, you know,
the recall are reputedly rocking an armada
that is going to be a giant threat to Voyager
if they don't comply with these orders.
And Sevett is like, yeah, I mean, like,
you would be able to tell something fucky was going on with subspace if that was something that existed.
So I guess I'll take a look.
Before they can even do this, though, a FaceTime comes in and they
decide to take it in the ass lab.
This has got to be nice because the ass lab screen is so much bigger than
the view screen on the bridge.
Yeah. It's got to feel like a treat to take a FaceTime in there. gotta be nice, because the ass lab screen is so much bigger than the view screen on the bridge.
Yeah.
It's gotta feel like a treat to take a FaceTime in there.
Well if you are going to take it in the ass lab, you wanna make sure that the ass lab
is prepared.
Right.
You don't wanna just do it by surprise.
On screen is Supreme Archon Loth from the Rakhal Imperium.
And he is a little miffed that the warp core
that Janeway promised him has not been
ejected yet and given over.
And Chakotay for kind of hearing all of this
for the first time really thinks on his feet
pretty well here.
He stalls him ably and installing him is
granted a 10 hour time limit.
Like give it up in 10 hours or you're dead.
And for witnessing the threat of death in this scene,
how chill is Seven after witnessing this interaction?
Cool as a cucumber.
Yeah, she's not stressing this.
No.
I mean, so much is going on in this episode.
Like, you could kind of, like, not really know how to play it
for a lot of these characters that aren't right
in the middle of it.
Yeah.
Chakotay marches back to Sixth Bay and asks the doctor,
like, yo, so what happened?
And he's like, oh, yeah, Captain passed that health test
with flying colors.
She's doing great.
So, Chakotay goes to see the captain at her quarters where she isn't,
and doesn't answer his hail but does come marching around the corner,
and calls him onto the carpet that is on the floor in
her apartment to yell at him about getting the doctor to do a more thorough medical exam.
Why didn't you come to me directly?
I thought we trusted each other.
Todd.
I don't know, Margot.
Mike Vihar is the director of this episode,
and this was the moment when things visually started to look really interesting to me.
The compositions around singles and two shots are
so standardized on this show
that you don't need to change them very much
for things to just look a little off.
And this framing on Chakotay in Janeway's doorway,
I think, is an example of this.
It just looks weird.
It looks really claustrophobic.
The camera's really pushed up against him in this moment.
And, you know, it doesn him in this moment. And,
you know, it doesn't need to be. Like, they could have framed this wide in the nice,
like, airy hallway, but instead he's kind of enshrouded in the darkness of the hallway.
And the ship looks extra dark in this episode, too.
The whole thing just serves to make the feeling uncomfortable throughout this episode. It's really
effective.
So they get in this argument about like,
what about all of the trust that we've established
between each other as officers?
And why aren't you telling me what's going on, Captain?
Like, what is going on with this recall guy
and, you know, and this Delta Flyer shit?
And she is, you know, trying to allied all his concerns.
And he's like, well, what about that time on Lessek prime?
You did that thing.
You were kept to the dark when you were a young lieutenant and it's a gotcha.
It's a, what color is the boat house question from Ronin basically.
I wonder how many different versions they sketched out for this gotcha question.
Did they think at all about that time we made sweet love on Lessig Prime?
You remember?
My tongue was in every hole on that body.
I pumped you like a warp core.
Like the warp core you're getting ready to give up
to the recall.
She whips out a hypo spray and like,
she has like super strength and overpowers Jakote.
What is this?
It kind of feels like an Admiral Quinn moment, right?
It really does.
Vitamins make two wonders for the body.
Do you think in Star Trek, much like, you know,
at home you got your medicine cabinet of like,
antacids and Advil and whatever,
just the stuff that every home has in a medicine cabinet.
Right, you've got your medicine cabinet
with the like innocuous stuff,
and then there's the false panel behind it
where you keep all like the fungus creams and stuff.
So that when people come over to your house
and look in your medicine cabinet,
they don't see all the dirty shit.
Fungicide?
Fungus?
I don't have a false panel, that's a great idea.
Oh, you gotta get a false panel, yeah. a great idea. Oh, you got to get a false panel. Yeah.
What I'm wondering is if in Star Trek,
do you just have a hypospray nozzle,
and then you have like a medicine cabinet full
of little things you slam into it in order to like,
when you have a headache, you can just get yourself.
Is that a thing?
Is that what we're looking at here?
That'd be cool. Yeah.
I don't know if I would want to inject something for a headache though.
Oh, I would.
I hate headaches so much.
I would, I'd do anything.
I'd inject me twice.
I know you don't want to do it.
Do it.
Coffee black.
Make it yourself.
I'm trying to help you see this as an opportunity to grow.
Make it yourself. So'm trying to help you see this as an opportunity to grow. Make it yourself.
So down goes Chacote. And in the Voyager morgue, Janeway sets up a dampening field there that
serves to block out the sensors from this area. And onto the slab, Chacote's barbie goes,
I so wanted to see her get his body up onto the slab though.
Like, do you think the scene we don't see is Janeway arranging him on the floor in such
a way where he would fit on the slab and then they both beam to the morgue that way?
Well, this goes to our recent conversation about, you know, beaming down in an emergency
beam out from an exploding shuttle.
Yeah. Like was Jacote running around
getting his empty Pelican case ahead of that?
Yeah.
Or can the computer just change
what position your birdie is in when it beams you?
I mean, knowing what we know about Dr. Mark's super strength,
like he probably as Janeway
still just got him right up on there.
I love the idea of that being an image, like Janeway just picking
Jacote up like he's light as a feather.
Yeah.
That would have been great.
Like an absolute serial killer, like clipping off a pinky toe or something.
Janeway removes Jacote's com badge and then that slides his
birdie through the morgue door before shutting it.
And marches down to Six Bay, puts her boot up on Dr. Mark's desk, and what's that under her
paint leg? It's the mobile emitter and she boops a button and it's revealed that this has been Dr. Mark the whole time. Oh, hi, Mark.
Amazing. But why?
And he takes a FaceTime call, not from somebody from Recall,
but somebody from the hierarchy. What are these guys called? The Overlookers?
They are the Overlookers, Ben. And I'm just going to admit to you and everyone else, I lost all of my money betting that
we would ever see them again, let alone on the second to last episode ever of Star Trek
Voyager.
Did you ever care about the Overlookers?
It was a very, very long odds bet
that the Eggmen would show up again.
I thought for sure we would go out
with a different alien species
toward the end of this show.
Yeah.
One last goodbye to the Kazon or whatever.
Or the Banes or...
Sure.
Sure.
The Overlookers. The overlookers.
The overlookers.
It was the overlookers the whole time.
So they are keeping the captain hostage to manipulate the doctor and the captain does not
want the doctor to do what he is doing.
They're trying to get the warp core.
Captain does not want him to give up the warp core.
She is perfectly happy to be sacrificed for the safety of the ship and the crew.
But the doctor is focused on getting her back in one piece and is doing the bidding of these
guys and is bugged.
They are watching through his eyes and ears.
So they are seeing everything he's seeing
and they have a new assignment for him.
You get two overlookers here,
kind of an overlooker George and an overlooker Lenny.
And overlooker George orders Dr. Mark
to bring him a bio neural gel pack.
And there's a little bit of resistance to this idea
because you can't just yank one of these out of a panel.
It seems like a pretty difficult thing to source,
but threats are made.
Overlooker George is like, you're gonna do it
and we're gonna watch you do it.
And then in a Dan Savage kind of way,
we will watch you give it to me.
And all parties will be satisfied.
Mm-hmm. We'll upload this to only overlookers, I guess, presumably.
We should be able to look at a little porn at work.
And when Tuvok radios Dr. Mark to ask him to the shuttle bay, this gives Dr. Mark to ask him to the shuttle bay. This gives Dr. Mark an opportunity to chameleon himself again.
He asks for and is given Chikote phase.
This is starting to just be like logistically tricky.
Like he is impersonating Chikote and the captain and also presumably
doing all of the Dr. Mark stuff that he would normally be doing during.
Mm-hmm.
So trying to make everybody think that nothing is wrong while, you know,
trying to be in three places at the same time.
And boy, what a stressful position that must be.
In the Delta Flyer, Tuva can't find anything wrong with its communication system.
And Chagote's like, huh, weird.
And over with the Overlookers,
they're watching Star Trek on Star Trek.
Like, this is fun.
One last Star Trek on Star Trek scene before we go.
Pretty cool.
There could still be another one in the next episode.
It wouldn't be unlikely.
We're dodging back and forth between the Overlooker ship and the Delta
Flyer before we finally find ourselves on that Overlooker ship.
And Janeway starts talking shit.
We've seen a lot of hostage situations on Voyager lately.
And, and often the hostage tries to be nice, tries to put themselves in a
position where the hostage taker would feel bad to do anything
harmful to them.
Right.
Janeway just starts talking shit.
Yeah.
Well, there's like the junior overlooker is kind of an encouraging guy.
He's like, you're doing a great job, doc.
And the head guy is much more surly.
So she really puts the wood to that guy and is trying to scare them by making them believe
that it is possible that the EMH has simulated everything
that they're seeing through his eyes and ears
in the holodeck and that Voyager is already on top
of what they're trying to do
and may already be headed at them at high warp.
Janeway's got that energy of like,
you can't fuck with me when my boyfriend gets here,
he's gonna kick your ass.
Let's fuck baby heads.
Like that energy.
She's got a big mouth, but she's not kidding.
I'm gonna whip you silly and I'm gonna fuck you stupid.
The boyfriend winds up going down really easy.
Yeah.
She proposes, look, this is all getting very complicated.
Why don't you just throw me in an escape pod,
blow me out the back,
and just end this quagmire before it starts.
It's gonna be bad for you, trust me.
We learned that these guys are hierarchy escapees,
and they stole this ship,
and now they are pursuing a life of crime.
And they're basically kind of on a heat style.
This is a big score that we're trying to take down so that we can then go like
retire in water with algae that glows in the dark or whatever.
When Overlooker Lenny shows his ID to the guy working the shop that sells explosives,
do you think it's just like wider at the bottom to accommodate like what his facial structure
looks like?
Yeah, yeah.
These guys carry trapezoidal IDs.
Yeah, because the guy at Brady Demolition is going to know the difference between a
fake ID and a real one from an over-looker. This is the guy at Brady Demolition is going to know the difference between a fake idea
and a real one from an over-looker.
So back on Voyager, the EMH needs to get Torres away from engineering.
So impersonates the captain's voice to get her to go do something on the Delta Flyer
and then downloads her image into his mobile emitter and gets
ready to go impersonate her.
And I liked the running out the door and realizing not pregnant enough.
Yeah, that's great.
It would have been fun if he goes out into public as not pregnant BLT and the reacts
from the crew and what that would mean.
That just complicates a very complicated episode though.
Yeah, I mean, the other thing that I wanted was instead
of the image of BLT disappearing and reappearing
with the belly, put the inflatable under the costume
and fill it up, right?
That's more fun, right?
First trimester,
second trimester.
Whoa.
It's fun when Dr. BLT could run into BLT actual.
Like that kind of stress is a big thing, when Dr. BLT could run into BLT actual.
Like that kind of stress is a big thing, but there's a totally different kind of stress
when Dr. BLT goes to get a gel pack
and is confronted by Paris.
A Paris who is just as motivated as he was in the cold open.
He's got one of those hotel dishes with a dome on it
and guess what?
More fried chicken. Just such shitty looking fried chicken too. He's got one of those hotel dishes with a dome on it and guess what?
More fried chicken.
Just such shitty looking fried chicken too.
I didn't think this was that bad.
This just looks like refrigerator fried chicken, like leftover fried chicken, which I really
like.
I want a darker crust on my chicken, man.
Like I want that G, B, and D.
You know what it looks like.
It looks like Gremlin's fried chicken.
Yeah.
You want some chicken?
Yeah.
No?
Again, I was shocked that Vorek didn't die
in the scene or something.
Yeah.
Especially because they're up high
in a section in engineering.
I thought someone was going over a railing.
Oh!
Vorek is like maybe the first person
that notices somebody is acting really weird
that has no context for it, you know?
Yeah.
But like doesn't really get to do anything with that.
It's just on screen to be like, hmm, seems strange.
I mean, like part of this is a scene about the EMH
not wanting to kiss Tom Paris on the mouth.
This is something you and I know all about.
The many, many, many rain checks we have. Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha It's like full of slips of paper. Yeah. You got a filing cabinet under half of your ass.
Yep.
I've got to get that latinum.
Put your latinum where your mouth is.
I've got to get that latinum.
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We cut to the ass lab where Chakotay has been summoned.
Of course, this is Dr. Chakotay with Seven and Ensign Kim, and they're looking at the
image of this recall guy that radioed up earlier.
And they've done some back tracing on the call.
Turns out the call came from inside the ship.
So scary. Turns out the call came from inside the ship. ["JUST A CALL IN THE HOUSE"]
So scary.
Did you ever watch that classic horror film
when a stranger calls?
Have not.
That was like the first horror movie version
of the call as coming from inside the house.
Like, you might just know its reputation based on that.
I guess I know it from Scream, right?
Yeah. Scream bit that rhyme.
Yeah. Yeah. Well, anyways, quote unquote, Chakotay and Ensign Kim go down to the holodeck
to recreate the holo image of this recall guy and try to figure out who placed the call
from in here, because it was placed from the holodeck,
gets an image of the recall guy, and then is like,
oh, there's another hologram underneath it,
let me clear that up, and it just resolves as the EMH,
as the hypo spray is going into Anson Kim's neck,
and a second birdie is put on the slab in the morgue.
You know the darkest part of this story
is that no one will miss Chakotay and Kim.
What's going on?
They're looking for him.
Like as, as sort of unattached single dudes, like how long would it take before someone
missed either of them?
That's sad.
I mean, you'd think like maybe Paris would be bored and call Kim up.
Yeah. Yeah.
How many morgue slabs do they have on this ship?
You only see this shot of the morgue, but.
Yeah.
Makes you wonder if maybe it's like those parking
structures in New York city where like you, you can
probably slide a body in and the body's moving up.
Yeah.
Or down in the, in the thing.
Oh, right.
Like a dumb waiter. Oh, right.
Like a dumb waiter.
Oh, I like that idea.
There was a great stuff you should know,
episode years ago about this mission
that the US military did,
where there was like a Soviet nuclear sub
that bottomed out and they were like,
like everybody aboard died
and the US wanted to recover this submarine so that they could like, like everybody aboard died and the US wanted to
recover this submarine so that they could study it and shit,
and see how the Soviets were building their subs.
So they built this giant boat that was going to
like put pincers down to the floor of the ocean,
somewhere in the Pacific and lift the sub up.
But it had to look like a normal boat so that satellite
images would not reveal what it was actually doing. But also, they had to build a huge
morgue on this boat for all the bodies on the sub because there's international law
about what you do with the bodies of dead sailors when you recover a ship.
You have to shoot them out like depth charges, right?
Put an escape jacket on to make sure he floats.
They couldn't just like not have a plan for those.
And I think that they failed.
So this like huge ship that had like a secret opening under compartment and a totally enormous
morgue on it didn't wind up getting to do what it was built to do.
But that's what Voyager needs right now,
for its growing number of bodies problem.
That's the naval equivalent of
three kids standing on their shoulders wearing a trench coat.
That's fun.
Much like the serial killer energy that you cited earlier, the collection of com badges
is growing.
Dr. Mark like assembles them in his office and is clearly feeling real bad about the
situation and starts playing some music.
He's playing Blue Danube Waltz in his office and starts beeping buttons
and this button beeping felt important.
Doesn't seem like the egg men are really picking up
on what he's doing, but Tuvok comes and pays him a visit
while he's playing this music.
He's claiming that it is just some self care
after a stressful day.
Tuvok's utility belt is absolutely filled in this scene, which is interesting.
And it's revealed toward the end of the scene when Dr.
Mark's answers are just bullshit and bad that, uh, he's going to need the dust
buster on this thing to take him down.
But the thing about the doctor
that I don't think either of us knew until this scene
was how fucking bad-ass Dr. Mark is if he had to escape.
Like he flies through a window without breaking it.
That part's fun.
But he kind of Spider-Man's up and down walls and stuff.
Like, he uses the walls to fight the way,
like, a martial arts film would use.
It's really fun.
And like, a little bit disappointing
that this exciting potential of this character
is only being realized in the penultimate episode, as you said.
He like runs to escape using his mobile emitter and and like parkours around and
gets into a holodeck.
My stand-up and cheer moment of the episode was when the doors finally opened to the holodeck and Tuvok walks into a room full
of one million marks.
One more, one more, one more.
Amazing moment, really fun.
I literally laughed out loud.
And then meanwhile, Mark Actual is escaping
in a Jeffreys tube.
It's kind of a response to how bad the mini Dr. Mark scene
was so early in the series.
You know, like the tricks that they would do
to his holo early on, neither funny nor good, I thought.
But this moment I thought was great in both ways.
Yeah, it really worked.
They finally get the holodeck turned off
and it's revealed that nobody's in there,
but nobody asks
questions when Dr. Chakotay marches into engineering and says the doctor's messed
with your internal sensors and the warp core is about to go critical, everyone out.
Don't you wish there was a door that came down like the D had?
Yeah.
It sucks that you can eject the core and there's no fucking door.
There's no, there's no garage door for BLT to roll under and strike a pose on the other side
She does a pregnant lady roll which is like roll and stop on the belly
And then the door just comes right down on her
It hits the belly and then starts going back up like
It hits the belly and then starts going back up like the safety sensor was triggered. No it's supposed to do this.
This is the safety thing.
So she gets trapped behind a force field while Dr. Chakote activates emergency command hologram
and now ECH Mark ejects the core.
You get to see it come out. You get a really close up shot of this.
Loved this.
There was something very poopy about this scene, I thought. This thing is long.
Yeah.
Real long. It's long enough where you're like, should I take a picture?
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So now in the guise of BLT, Dr.
Mark is escaping down a hallway and Tuvok catches her and she like
parkours around him again.
Amazing.
So good.
Yeah.
And escapes on the flyer and all of the modifications have now been made so that the flyer can tow
the warp core outwarp safely.
I love how the Delta flyer doesn't stop in this sequence.
It just whips that tractor beam on its way out.
Yeah.
Really quick escape.
Which is not like what you expect from a Star Trek ship. I feel like
they usually move so slow and the Delta flyer is all about how fast it can go.
So it's really cool.
We cut over to this renegade overlook or ship and the younger junior officer guy
is repairing gadgets.
And this is something that Janeway quickly identifies
as another opportunity to drive a wedge between him
and his superior officer talking about,
oh yeah, like you're all this junk that you fix up
is definitely worth a ton of money.
And when my ship is back together I
bet my chief engineer would love to buy all this stuff from you.
There's coffee in spare parts.
George Overlooker is not having this at all. He sees what's going on here between
Janeway and the Lenny Overlooker. Put a stop to this pretty fast. Also, if you're the Leni Overlooker, how is this the dream of getting rich?
Opening up a business selling engine parts?
I liked their dream before where it was like spa day forever.
Could we have a spa day where I'm tinkering with a gadget though?
Yeah. Can I take my parts into the mud bath?
Maybe.
Isn't it wonderful?
Captain, the carrot.
Do it.
Do it.
Do it.
Do it.
Do it.
Do it.
Do it.
Do it.
Do it.
Do it.
So they get the hail that Dr. Mark is here with their stolen warp core and he's not gonna release it
until he gets the captain aboard and George Overlooker just fires on him
without any warning. Dr. Mark is like, are you fucking crazy? Like if the warp core
blows it destroys both of our ships immediately. What are you doing? And I really like this moment for the character of George Overlooker because it like,
it reveals that he's like fucking nuts and he's really like, you know, a devil may care, like
we'll use violence early and often kind of guy. It's such a weird combination of like these egg men and everything that's involved in
how they look and their actions.
They look like such dopes, but they're really lethal.
Least one of them.
I would love to get these guys in the room with some pack lids, you know?
Oh yeah.
Like dopiest aliens to highest danger ratio is an interesting competition here, because
the Eggmen are at least like, conniving.
The Paklids are dangerous because of just how willful they are.
We want what we want.
Dr. Mark's really out of his depth here, because he is told that he needs to lower his shield so that the captain
can be beamed over as per their negotiated plan. So he does and oops, he's beamed into
the brig with Janeway now. You fucking dork, Dr. Mark. You don't know what you're doing. I loved the Lenny Overlooker being the one that feels bad about this and Mark not feeling
bad about this.
Like, when he is beamed over, he's beamed into the cell with the captain and Lenny's
like, oh man, I didn't know we was going to do that.
And the captain being like, you fucking idiot, Dr. Mark.
And Dr. Mark being like, I'm trying to save your fucking life.
What did you expect me to do?
Let them kill you?
I expected you to follow my orders.
They get into the plans for
the prisoners pretty fast in this scene.
It's like, all right, cool.
Well, we got both of you and that's great.
Janeway, you're worthless to us.
We're just going to drop you off at the nearest planet,
some dumpy SM class, doesn't even matter which. And Dr. Mark, we're going to turn some screws on you and get you to
work for us from now on. Pretty spooky. On Voyager, they finally turn up Chakotay and Kim in the morgue.
And there was another very recognizable extra in this scene when they find Jakota and Kim
and it's like, oh, he's going to get a line too.
And he does not.
BLT restarts the impulse reactors and that's what turns on the lights in the ship.
Things are starting to look normal again, even though not much else is going to work
there.
Unfortunately, along with the lights, the music starts again. It's Blue
Danube, but it's off key though. Why?
It's not sounding right.
In the ass lab, basically every senior officer has assembled so that they can analyze this
musical composition and why it sounds so weird. And it's like familiar because the doctor played it recently at a recital,
but unfamiliar because it's off.
And they realized that the way it is off is
describing a warp signature like mathematically or something.
And I guess that gives them something to scan for to find the Eggmen that have Mark and
the captain and the warp core.
Can't take Voyager out there to these coordinates though.
Good thing they have a bunch of brats.
Yeah.
Inexpensive and built to stay that way.
Just tell them it saves you money, buster.
Meanwhile, the captain is trying to do something
to modify the mobile emitter to break the force field
so that they can bust out of jail.
And Dr. Mark is catching a little bit more
flack for getting himself and the warp core captured,
but also saying, hey, I just really want
to get to know you better, Captain.
This is not the time for this.
I think it might be something you bring up, like, your fantasy fridge and all the pies
in it.
When you're a prisoner for a long time, you start fantasizing about getting free and what
you're going to do when you're there.
They've been in the brig for like 20 minutes. So this is a little soon,
I think, from the doctor.
Too early. Yeah. What you should be doing right now is getting ready to beat the shit
out of the biggest guy in the lunch room when it's meal call.
Yeah. They demonstrate the reprogramming on Dr. Mark here, and it's going to be for
a spy mission inside the hierarchy. They hit a couple of buttons and they reskin him as an overlooker.
Look at this guy.
Yeah.
Look at how eggy he is.
So eggy.
Yeah.
He's got egg on his face and everywhere else.
It's got a bush.
What the hell?
What is this?
But the program doesn't hold together very long.
It starts to degrade and destabilize and it becomes kind of an emergency situation. Yeah, the data is messing his program up and this is when the brat catches
up with their ship and Paris and Tuvok are using the element of surprise to their advantage, even
though the ship is massively outgunning and outclassing them. Didn't you love Paris splitting off and beaming onto the flyer so that they
had two weapons platforms going?
That was great.
And love that move.
It's a really exciting combat sequence.
And again, George is like totally fucking unhinged with the level of violence
he's willing to bring to bear on any situation.
And he's preparing a torpedo to destroy the warp core because like, Mark is much more
valuable to him than the warp core.
He's like, if we, if we do this heist on the hierarchy that I have planned, we'll have
plenty of money.
So because I have Mark, I'd much rather get the fuck away from these guys and go do that.
But the, the combat knocks out the force field in the jail area of their ship and
turns into a hand to hand struggle on the bridge.
Pretty great scene.
Bunch of phaser shoots, bunch of fists.
It's the whole thing.
And like Mark, like phasing in and out of different Luke's over the course of the fight scene.
How about Overlooker Lenny hitting Overlooker George
with the engine part to finish the job?
It's really nice when it's Lenny that takes out George
every so often, you know?
Yeah.
Enough with the tyranny of the Georges.
Lenny's of the world, unite.
You have nothing to lose, but the mouse that you keep in your coat pocket or whatever.
You gonna give me that mouse or am I gonna have to suck you?
The end of this episode really stitches together fast. In really quick succession, the Warp
Corps gets scooped up by the Delta Flyer, everyone heads back
to Voyager, and on the holodeck they work to stabilize Dr. Mark's matrix again.
The problem with it is that it's stuffed with so much new data from the Overlookers.
Dr. Mark is facing a very real reality that he might not live through this procedure. He's been corrupted
utterly by the overlookers and he's got some things to get off his chest if this is truly
for him.
Yeah. It sort of starts with like a last will and testament, like give my emitter to the
Daystrom Institute, maybe they could do something with it. But then, yeah, it turns into like, delete my shitty diary that I kept
of all the things I disagreed with the captain on and apologies all around. And some interesting
choices about what he chooses to apologize for.
The thing that I learned from this scene is that if someone tells you that you're gonna
die, you really need to get like a second opinion.
Like you need to be sure
before you start unburdening yourself
of all of these things.
No surprise that he's still madly in love with Seven of Nine.
Do you think her react here is bigger or smaller
than the one from the ass lab
where that alien told Chakotay that he was going
to destroy the ship in 10 hours.
What's more distressing to her?
It seems like this.
Yeah, I think so too.
I agree.
Because she's like trying to explain it away.
She's like, he's going crazy.
This is, he's not of sound, mind and body.
He's saying crazy shit because his program is overloaded.
Right. Right. This is so fast though, Ben, like, like he gets into all this shit
and then he blurps away, but he's not deleted.
He pops right back into the room and Dr.
Mark is super embarrassed about what just happened.
But, uh, we cut over to a Janeways log where we get the update on the ship. The core's been rammed
back into the hole. Yeah. I mean, so that's repaired, but Dr. Mark will take a lot longer.
And in sickbay, Janeway goes to do just that. It seems like saving the day has really gone badly for him. Yeah. He did create the method by which they were able to get the warp core back and rescue
him and the captain, but everybody knows all his dirty laundry now and he has just been
hiding in shame in Sixth Bay ever since.
And the captain is really cool about it.
She comes and basically orders him
to get back in the game,
come do some of that socializing with me
that you seemed so interested in.
Not unprecedented for the chief medical officer
and the captain of the starship to be pals.
You know, maybe we could have croissant together
for breakfast every day or something.
Would you like to watch a bartender from Fairhaven Eiffel Tower me?
You just sit in the corner and watch Dr. Mark.
Tell me how close we get to medically unsafe.
You can fiddle with your mobile emitter if you want, but I don't want to see it.
Did you like this episode, Ben?
You know, I'm really easy to get along with most of the time.
But I don't like bullets, I don't like friends, and I don't like you.
I really did like this episode.
I mean, I felt really bad for the doc at the end.
Like, the gut punch of shame at the end felt a little bit mean.
I mean, I'm not a fan of the doc.
I mean, I'm not a fan of the doc.
I mean, I'm not a fan of the doc.
I mean, I'm not a fan of the doc.
I mean, I'm not a fan of the doc.
I mean, I'm not a fan of the doc.
I mean, I'm not a fan of the doc.
I mean, I'm not a fan of the doc.
I mean, I'm not a fan of the doc. I mean, I'm not a fan of the doc. I mean, I'm not a fan of the doc. I mean, I'm not a fan of the doc. I mean, I felt really bad for the doc at the end.
Like the gut punch of shame at the end felt a little bit mean of the episode writers.
This is a series about kicking Dr. Mark in the nuts though.
Yeah, it really is. So with that said, I did feel like the rest of the episode was really great.
And I love a mystery where like a character is acting weird and the rest of the crew has
to figure out what's going on.
And I think that those often fall apart when you're like, if this person had just said
something to that person, they would have like realized something was up 25 minutes
earlier and the mystery falls apart.
And I thought that this was really well structured
where everybody's reactions to Dr. Mark
in his weird behavior felt natural.
Like his behavior as Captain Janeway at the beginning
felt strange, but nobody really knew what to do about it yet.
So I really enjoyed this one.
How about you?
I really like all the performances.
Uh, as I said before, like I like the variation that an actor can give their
own character, uh, this far into the series.
I think that's a fun idea.
I don't really care for the overlookers and I'm kind of bummed that they are the
last look backward into the Delta quadrantrant before we finish the series.
Like, I'm aware the finale is about the Borgs and stuff.
But, like, I wish we got a different alien
or a different type of story,
or even maybe the Neelik's goodbye episode
in this position in the season.
Something about a story like this with aliens like this makes it feel like I wanted something
else just before the end here.
Yeah.
I think that's how I feel about it.
Nothing wrong with it.
I think it's just a record sequence thought I'm having.
Yeah.
It is so different from what they would be doing on a modern television show that knows
that this is the last season.
It sure feels like you kill someone
in the second to the last episode.
Yeah, yeah.
This would be a great spot for that.
That's why I was so worried for Vorek.
Yeah, it made a lot of sense.
They put him in this one so that they could take him out.
Yeah, yeah, we killed Cary,, we killed Carrie. Kill Vorek.
Kill Vorek.
At that point, what's the difference?
Drop of a hat. These guys will rock and roll.
I say that, like, we have, as of this recording,
recorded four episodes about the final season of Star Trek Discovery.
And the word on that is that they did not find out
that that was gonna be the final season
until they finished shooting the scripts
that they had written for it.
So then they had to go back and do reshoots
for the end of season five of Discovery
to make it the end and not a cliffhanger or whatever.
And I don't think that that was the case with Voyager, right?
Like they knew that this was it.
So it's interesting that they aren't winding things up a little bit more toward the end.
I agree.
Ben, we're kind of winding our way toward the end of the priority one messages for
Star Trek Voyager.
We are.
See what we have in there.
Let's do it.
Priority one message from Starfleet coming in on Secure Channel.
Need a supplemental income.
Supplemental income. Supplemental. Suppchievous miles, and it's to friends of DeSoto.
And it goes like this.
In November 2017, Plaveem bought a P1 telling Raz to fuck himself.
It aired on the DS9 finale in February of 2021.
What this P1 presupposes is those two have spent all of TGG Voyager planning a follow-up.
I am preemptively playing a switcheroo card. Whoever comes out on top next week,
the opposite person shall be declared the winner. That's Calvin Ball, fellas. This
was sent in January of 2022 by a mischievous Miles who, I do have a copy of the rules of
Calvin Ball here. He is citing the rules correctly. Ben, back away from the P1s.
Mischievous Miles has the upper hand now.
Amazing. Wow. Excited to see if there is in fact a P1 from Raz or Plavim next week.
Well, Ben, messages from the past going into the future are kind of a theme on the P1s this week.
This one from past Peter, it's to future Peter. The message goes like this.
By this time, you should have completed our five-year mission to watch all of Star Trek,
finishing this week with Voyager. Thank you to Ben and Adam and to all the FODs everywhere
for making it more fun. Special thanks to she who is my wife
Louisa for sometimes watching us, listening to the pod, and even coming with me to live shows in DC.
Harry Kim drop. Something about it reminds me of being in the womb. Harry, who are you? Harry Kim.
Parents must be very proud. Who are you? They come as come as a pair. Who are you? Harry Kim. Parents must be very proud. Who are you? They come as a pair.
Who are you?
Harry Kim.
Who else is she supposed to get chummy with?
Harry Kim.
And your mom?
Very proud.
Who are you?
Harry Kim.
That lasted 22 minutes?
And your mom?
Very proud.
Harry Kim.
Who are you?
Harry Kim.
Wow.
Well, yeah, thank you to Louisa for sure.
And thanks to past Peter and future Peter for sticking with our little corner of the
internet for your rewatch.
Sometimes the best you can do from a partner is just like sometimes.
Sometimes watching Epps.
Sometimes listening to the pod.
Sometimes going to a live show.
Sometimes is good.
Sometimes is great.
Yeah.
Well, if you'd like to book a P1, probably not for next week,
but for our coverage of Enterprise or just for, you know,
somebody's birthday or so that past you can say something to future you or whatever,
please head over to maximumfun.org slash Jumbotron and set one up today. Hey, Ben.
What's that, Adam?
Did you find yourself a drunk Shimoda?
I'm going to give it to Chekhov's Vorek.
He felt like he was in this episode for something.
Yeah.
And wound up being in this episode for no reason at all.
It could have been anybody speaking those lines or no one.
You could edit those two scenes he was in out of the show and I don't think it would
have played any differently.
What an amazing arc for Vorek.
Whether or not he died this episode, what a that guy.
What a that guy.
I think for that reason, I'm going to make him my Shimoda too.
I read this as his last episode in the series and, uh, I want to put him over
here with a Shimoda.
Yeah.
That does feel like one thing that they are doing with the end of the series is
like, you know, bringing back some old faves and giving little bump up to a
speaking part to
the occasional guy from the background crew. So that's nice. Sure is.
Big episode next week, Ben. It is the series finale of Star Trek Voyager.
Yeah, it sure is. I'm going to head to gach.biz slash game so we can play the game of buttholes, the will
of the caretaker.
And I'm also going to tell you about season seven, episode 25, end game.
Voyager's quest to return home is aided by a visitor from the future, Admiral Catherine
Janeway.
Time travel.
However, Janeway decides to risk Voyager's short-cut home in order to destroy the Borg
and save millions of lives.
That's not the only risk-taking behavior I've done.
I'm also divorced.
Ha ha ha ha ha ha.
I'm coming for you, Chico-tay.
Ha ha ha ha ha ha.
I blew it.
That's what I'm saying.
Ha ha ha ha ha ha. I blew it, that's what I'm saying.
Come with me if you want to fuck.
One of our more interesting missions.
There's a shortcut home, but there's also a shortcut into a double wide bathtub.
Your choice.
All right, Adam, big roll here.
We are on square seven.
We do have a caretaker square out ahead of us.
And it looks like we could also hit a coco-no-no.
Hmm.
If the caretaker so chooses.
You're required to learn as you play.
Roll.
So I'm gonna go ahead and roll this bone.
I rolled a six, jumping us over both. Two la!
Did I win?
Clean roll to square 15.
I really thought, I have to admit,
I thought something weird was gonna happen
for the last episode of Star Trek Voyager, nah.
Nope.
Just gonna raw dog the episode.
Regular episode. I mean, we might have a little drink to celebrate, right? Yeah,
that sounds fun. Let's do it. But I don't want to get wasted. Nah. My body's a temple.
Unless the game tells me otherwise. I'm trying to just think of the worst temples. I just don't know.
Tells me otherwise. I'm trying to just think of the worst temples. I just don't know.
I don't have that trivia available to me.
You're wading into very fraught waters if you start dunking on temples, Adam.
Temple, but bad.
Oh boy, this has been a lot of fun.
Let's thank all of the folks that have gotten us this far.
Of course, the members who support our show by going to maximumfun.org slash join and
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Go get by in the paywall.
Come on.
You know you want to listen to that other shit.
Yeah, we've got a Star Trek specific stuff back there, we've got weird Cheesecake Factory
and Baywatch specific stuff back there, movie episodes behind the paywall.
Ton of movie reviews.
The bonus feed is a great, great spot to get even more of you and me, Ben.
Indeed. We've got to thank Rob Adler and Bill Tilly, who
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Of course, if you slide into those DMs
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It's true.
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Picard song. And with that, we will be back at ya next week with another great episode
of Star Trek Voyager and an episode of the
Greatest Generation Voyager where Ben and Adam have an opportunity to stop reviewing
Voyager but future Ben and Adam come visit and they risk it all for some reason.
But it seems really well justified in the moment.
Future Adam comes back to tell present Adam you gotta
stop doing this. This guy's dragging you down. You gotta stop. Just go back to
video. Yeah. Turns out the company you worked for before this was better than
this one. Make it show. Make it show. Captain John Lupicata, the U.S. 10th Senate Prize.
Captain John Lupicata, the U.S. 10th Senate Prize.
Make it show.
Make it show.
John Lupicata,
Carter, Carter, Carter.