The Greatest Generation - Little Beef, Little Pork (DS9 S2E21)

Episode Date: July 16, 2018

When Calvin Hudson walks Commander Sisko through his plan to leave the Federation, his fugitive turn has implications that will last well past laundry day. But when Gul Dukat rides shotgun for the mission to bring him to justice, Sisko’s allegiances become complicated. What is the unified theory of non-Starfleet uniforms? Why are there so many farmers in Star Trek? Is there a question you should never ask a Lyft driver? It’s the episode where all of the host’s movements are motivated!

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Just a little bit embarrassed to have a Star Trek Podcast. I'm Adam Pryanaka. I'm Ben Harrison. Art is a podcast grounded in rules. Ben. Yeah. The show is nothing if it does not strictly prescribe to those rules. And the name of the game today is Quark's Bar, because at the end of the last episode we recorded.

Ben rolled the die that sent us to the Quark's Bar Square, which means we will be enjoying alcoholic beverages as we record today's episode. Like, people thought that we were gonna be drinking every three episodes when we rolled this game out. That is not proved to be true. I bet there are some people that are disappointed about that. I'm not one of them. Our wives certainly are not among those people. It can't be overstated just what a terrible look it is

for a hardworking wife to come home from a shift and find a shit house podcaster at home waiting for them. Yeah, that has a real chilling effect on feelings of affection. God, you know, that could be the name of our show, man. I mean, greatest generation, great name, chilling effect, though. Really says it. Pretty on the nose.

What are you drinking, man? I'm drinking this Bousal Toba-Eish mezcal. Toba-Eish, I think, is a species of agave. This is a mezcal made entirely of that species. Sometimes you find an espadine that's, I think, the most common. If there are blend of different mezcals, this one's a tobaish. How about you? What are you on there, buddy? As promised, I broke out my bottle of Kazamigos, which I did a little research and you are

right, Ben. George Clooney was bought out of the Kazamigos company for a hefty sum. And so his attachment to this mezcal seems to be in signature only. His signature is on the bottle. This is an espadine, Miss Gale. And it is one of my new favorites. It is reviewed very poorly online, among Miss Gale circles, or reasons I don't agree with, but like so many other things, spirit-related. It's a personal taste thing,

and this really works for me. The idea that drinkability would be a knock against it is really calling into question the reliability of the review website that you found there, buddy. Drinkability is like the high school thing of you want to be drinking a glass of shitty scotch, warm, and that's how you prove that you're an adult, but I think drink abilities a crucial element in the enjoyment of a mess-cal or anything else. I like a funky thing from time to time. I like to push the boundaries, but a funky petuga, perhaps.

But it's a big tent. Let's fucking enjoy lots of different kinds of things. I'm not one of those people that like picks a beer and that's the only beer they drink for the rest of their life, you know? Yeah, I think we're in agreement there. And the stay-in-age, grab what you enjoy and enjoy it while you can. Yeah. What do we got here?

Season 2, episode 21. The Make-Wise. Make-Wise? Part 2. Do you realize how many credible this is? No, of course you don't. We begin with a nice last time on Deep Space 9. Bit of business here.

And Riker tells Mr. Wolf to fire. We fade up on the same action that we crashed out on last time. I gotta tell you, this very first pre-credit sequence scene was deeply disappointing to me. Everyone's holding each other up at phaser point. Kira and Bishir throw their phasers to the ground. And for some reason, Cal and Ben Sisko take a walk on their own. And they don't go anywhere, Ben. They just walk in a circle in the A's Garden Center.

I looked up who directed the episode and it's Cori Allen. He's the guy who directed the premier episode of TNG and he is a... He's a lifer. He's directed so many episodes of Star Trek. Encounter at Firepoint, one of the worst episodes of TNG. How could such a director direct a bad scene? He's a legacy director that I wanted to root for,

but there's a lot, even editing wise, that doesn't hang together in the sequence. There's a lot of intercutting from similar composition to composition. Yeah, some, some jumpy cuts, and they go for some flashy camera moves. Yeah. Like, you know, lots of like crane shots with lots of foliage in the foreground. And...

There's a moment where Cal, like, definitely holds a branch out of the camera lens to allow him to deliver some more exposition before cutting to a different angle. You know, when you direct a couple of actors having a conversation, what you want are the movements they make around the set to be motivated, you know? Right. Like all of the staging should advance the story or, you know, raise the emotional stakes. This walk seems aimless, and that is not what these characters are.

They're not aimless at all. Like, they are working at cross purposes, but they are super motivated dudes, and the idea that they're just kind of like wandering around together doesn't make any fucking sense. The instinct to pair them off and separate them, I think is good. Like you want them to have their alone time where they can really get into the business

at hand without having to mince words because of other people around, like that part of it I get. Right. And if that was so important, I would have rather had for some reason Benzisco beam down alone, or Benzisco and Cal to meet each other at a second location for some kind of summit. Yeah, there was something about, like I understand that they're forced into this,

but kind of a rocky start in my mind for how this episode begins. Yeah, I like how all the make-waste dress bejordan, like they're costuming as definitely bejordan influenced, I like how all the make-weast dress bejorin, like their costuming is definitely bejorin influenced, I think. Yeah. You know, like they don't wear the kind of clothes that federations that are, you know, non-star fleets, but live well within the federation live. Yeah. They were like, you know, pizza oven guy clothes. The sweater

vest is literally good for nothing. There is really a unified theory of non-starfleet clothing. Yeah, I mean like this scene is about Cal Hudson rejecting his uniform. Like Ben Sisko is like picking it up off the forest floor and trying to get him to put it back on. Well it's been feeling a little tight lately. And he's like, no, I dress pejoran now. At the conclusion of Cal's walk of Cisco around the Home and Garden Center, they return to one. At which point, the Make Wease phaser down Cisco Kira and Bashir? Yeah, that's it is rugged.

I kind of wish that that had been the cut in between the two episodes. Yeah, I agree. Because then you would come back and not know, like, oh fuck, did like three main cast characters just get...merked? Like, are they fucking dead now? And much like the space between DuCott and Cisco snagging that runabout and taking off for parts unknown. We cut back to you after the show open to Deep Space 9 after the away teams return from this planet.

Yeah, presumably they just woke up from stun, returned to their runabout, which the Mayquees left unmolested in orbit, and went back to work. Yeah. It's so weird, because it does show them lying face down in the dirt with mist rolling over them. They look super dead. It is crazy to think a TV show had three main characters appear to be dead and did not attempt to extract any dramatic stakes out of that at all. Or ever address it again. Like Cisco isn't even mad at Cal about having shot him. I think that's crucial. And I think what happens when you depict people being shot by phasers in this way is you take the teeth out of any future incident involving our DS9 crew being shot with phasers Yeah, I think you want an element of danger there that they aren't bothered to depict I could have really used

some antipathy from Kira Towards Cisco for having been gotten the drop on like this a towards Cisco for having been gotten the drop on like this. Like curious feelings about the monkey and about the cardacians are punctuated by some scenes that she has with Cisco, but are for the most part absent. And this is a moment where I'd really like to know what she's thinking because they beam down to this planet. These guys get the jump on them. And they have to slink back to deep space nine, having been defeated by them. Yeah, oh, this is your college buddy and he shot me.

Thanks, bud. Yeah, I would really have loved it if Kira tore into Cisco in his office like asking him what the fuck just happened and why she had to be shot over it. Right, it seems like something she would do and also something that would actually influence Cisco to reassess his thinking on this matter, you know?

Because that is a strength that his character has. We don't get that scene. Instead, we get them just kind of getting back to the station and Cisco heading up to his office where none of a then Admiral Naceev is waiting for him. The tight bun herself. On the scene, really great to see your ban.

I don't know how you felt when you saw her on Devespace 9, but like I enjoy any connective tissue between TNG and Devespace 9 and so she was a welcome site for me. Yeah. TNG and Deuce Face 9 and so she was a welcome site for me. Yeah, I wished that some Valerian Canape had been prepared in honor of her arrival. I thought that was a little weird that it wasn't. Extremely fattening. Some Canape that could then be just scraped into the garbage after the meeting. Yeah, she acknowledged that she appreciates it was prepared and then it is never addressed again. It seems like she's really out in the sticks to be adjudicating this matter.

I think she represents an escalation to this conflict that makes her presence a big reason why this is such a serious matter. I think this is a show that has been sort of searching for what it can be about. And I think that this episode, like, like Nichea leaves and Kira comes in. And there's this great speech by Cisco about the fact that Earth is paradise and the like decision makers are kind of in this ivory tower where they don't understand the real problems. And to me that kind of like, for the first time,

maybe in this series, plants a flag in the idea that deep space nine is about living right on the edge of a perfect society, like right at the border, you know? Like the post scarcity thing gets up to deep space nine and then like the colonies near the Cardassian border don't have it and are being kind of left in the lurch. And like Kira is fucking pissed about it because she's lived on the other side of that

line her entire life and still really feels for that cause. Makes sense to me. And I think Cisco is getting there but he's lived in the warm embrace of a utopia his entire life. It made me think a lot about like, what do you truly care about in a post scarcity society? And we get a couple of different examples of this. When when Cal talks about the humans living on the other side of the militarized zone, the main beefs are of the type of, this is where I've lived my whole life and I don't want to leave it.

Right. Like, those are things that cannot be replicated elsewhere. Right, those are goods that you can't manufacture and trade. Yeah, it feels like a way of depicting the federation that never could have happened in early TNG or in the original series. Like this is a contravention of of peak Roddenberry themes. Right. Like they don't want to be crushed under a Cardassian boot heel, but the people that they're asking to ensure that doesn't happen, they also don't trust with any decision. Right.

So I mean, like you have to indict the motivation of the Mayquees. Mayquees? In that way, because it's like, hey, like you got to, like that costs something, you know, that like, that costs something, you know, that protection, that, like, stability that you want. And part of that cost might be allowing somebody else to have influence over, like, where you live or whatever. Why are there so many fucking farmers in Star Trek?

Like, the thing that I don't get is, like understand, you know, Joe Sweatervest has got a life on a planet in the DMZ and the treaty has made it so that that planet is now in Cardassian airspace. Right. And I understand that if you're a farmer, the implements with which you can use towards rebellion or uprising or terrorism are limited. Yeah. But where are the people who are not farmers?

Are you the farmer? Stop saying that, Whitney. Of course, it's a fucking farmer. I think that, like, we've seen kind of a couple of examples of this. Like, the guy that didn't want to leave his pizza oven. Like, that guy needed to be a farmer because he lived on a moon and didn't have a replicator and was a pejorant. Like he was from the other side of the line.

The example that TNG gives us of people that are like really exercised about this treaty are like Native Americans who do not want to be a part are like Native Americans who do not want to be a part of the Federation Society at all, and they moved away, and then like political decisions happening way above their head caused their home to be part of a different government that they also don't want to be involved with. Like they're separatists of both things. This farmer thing, I agree, kind of doesn't make a lot of sense in this context.

These guys really love farming. Gold to cotton, the cotton, gold to cotton. So our next scene in this episode is a scene that I've been waiting for for a while, which is Odo has caught Quark doing dirt and has actually locked him up for it. Surely it's no crime. Keep it company with a beautiful fame, man. He's been running guns. He's been supplying arms to terrorists. And, uh, which on Quark's rap sheet over the last couple of seasons is, uh, on Quark's rap sheet over the last couple of seasons, is it might be the worst thing that he's done,

but it's at least a part of like six very bad things that he's done. Right, yeah, I mean, we got a little laundry list from Kira recently of reasons she doesn't like him. Add this right to the top of the list, because I think she's probably like more on team Makewies, than on team Federation personally, but professionally, give me a fucking break.

But this is a weird scene, because Cisco's called down there, and Cisco has been, let's follow the rules guy the entire time. And when they leave, he's like, leave him in jail forever. I don't feel like you can joke with Odo. I don't get the sense that he has a sense of humor. Yeah. I don't get the sense that Cisco is joking either. Hard to say. I guess it's his word or the highway.

Yeah. They didn't take Quirk's belt from him or anything, so I guess I guess they're not that concerned They don't think he's an auto-erotic expixiation risk Yeah, what is he tied around his ear? I don't think so Quirks got all that time alone. He's like well might just build jackets I know I'm in this room with a transparent force field wall, but nobody else in here Clark's got all that time alone. He's like, well, might as well jack it. I know I'm in this room with a transparent force field wall, but nobody else in here. Do you think they can turn? You think there's a modesty setting for that force field? You hope there is, right?

I don't know, because like in in contemporary jails, you have to take a dump out in the open, right? Yeah, but you don't see a, a, a big in there, and you don't see a drain in the floor. So what's happening? I don't know. Maybe they beam the turns right out of his lower intestine. God, that must feel so satisfying. Could you imagine? Yeah, the crab.

I would sign up for that tomorrow. The crabs just go from the pot to the tanks on the ship without any intermediary process. You go to bed full and you wake up empty. Oh man. Sounds nice. Wood would enjoy. Drink all the coffee you want, Ben. Consequence free. Yeah. They like walk out of the security office and write, they like bump right into Legit Parn who is a, I guess Legit is kind of like admiral in Cardassian.

Yeah, I had to look this up too. He has very shiny armor for a Cardassian and I don't know that we've seen a Legit before. Yeah, really a big upgrade. He kind of carries himself like the John Goodman of Cardacians. This guy has like the most specific sci-fi credits of all time. He's really been around. He's in undiscovered country.

That was not his need. He's in voyage home. There'll be whales here. He's in Voyager. Please take the nature of the medical emergency. He's in Star Trek Enterprise. He's in Magyver. Just tell me what you want me to fuck. He's in Babel on 5. I love him that Magyver qualified a science fiction and that list of credits. John Shuck.

He's a definite that guy and he's a Star Trek that list of credits. John Schuck. He's a definite that guy, and he's a Star Trek that guy at that. Yeah, he really is. LeGette pawns on the scene to confirm Cal suspicions that Cardassians have been smuggling weapons into the DMC. It's interesting that we get to admiralty level characters in this episode,

but they don't ever interact directly. Like all of this goes through Cisco. God, I was just gonna say that. Like, is Nichev still on the station? Yeah, where'd she go? She's having canopies in her room. Doesn't have time for this guy. Yeah, wouldn't it be more efficient if they were talking to each other?

I think so. But Parnas is specifically saying that DuCott is behind the whole thing. You have my word. This is kind of the Cardassian government like throwing one of their own under the bus to advance their political goals, right? Yeah, and this introduces a fun bit of business

between Kira and Cisco, because Kira's on team, well, if the Cardassian higher-ups want to let Tukat swing for this, why don't we let Tukat get what's coming to him? And Cisco's like, the enemy of our enemy is our friend maybe. What if in saving Tukat from the central command, like that actually does us a favor, like keeping him alive would be good strategically for us. I have to say I kind of feel cure on this one Yeah, I think so like I think that we've known enough about Ducat that from a stability factor He is not a great dude

What you want is a predictable adversary and Ducat is so fucking unpredictable like let's take him off the board you know. Yeah I get that angle but it's interesting that this decision point happens at this part of the episode because when Goulducat turns from heel to face. Wait sis goes instinct. I don't know wrestling I don't remember what those terms mean. Well, to be a heel means to be a bad guy and to be a face means to be a good guy. To be a face is to be a good guy? Yeah. Why?

Don't ask me why. It's just a thing. So I like this tension between Kira and Cisco. Ultimately they choose Cisco's path, which is the... Yeah, they choose the boss's path. That's what you do. When you're the boss, you get to follow your own instincts there. Yeah, you get to blaze your trail.

Speaking of DuCat, they cut to DuCat where he's being force-melded by Sikona. Yeah, force-melded in a way that is not quite as upsetting as the end of Star Trek 6, the undisgued country, because it don't work. It would appear he has the ability to shield his thoughts. It's simply a matter of discipline. Is it, she's not as good of a Vulcan as Spock?

Like is she not as good at Vulcan mind-milled shit? Well, Ducat tells her to her face that cardacians are practiced in the art of stoicism and not letting Vulcans who wished a meld with them into the mind door. I love Ducat here. I love a confident prisoner like him. He is is big dogging his captors, man. When he's got shackles on him. He's great. Yeah, this is this is kind of a turning point for how we feel about DuCat Up until now chaos agent sort of a son of a bitch but but he holds up under torture in such a way that I think begins a transformation

for him. Into a guy you can like, guardedly root for maybe. Yeah. Do you remember that time we took a lift ride with a guy that said that he used to work in Guantanamo Bay as a prisoner, like a prison guard? Boy do I ever. That was like a prison guard? Boy do I ever. That was so fucking weird. The lesson of course is never ask a lift driver what they did before doing live. Because boy did this guy have a story. He had a shout out of the Navy doing like 11 years, hated it.

But I guess the part that he hated wasn't working in Grantanamo. It was being on a ship. He hated that the most. He repeatedly told us that the reason he got out of the Navy was that he didn't want to stab somebody with a screwdriver and that he was going to, if he stayed in the Navy. We've got a bunch of neighbors in our audience. That's true. Who've written in to say hi, tell us that they like the show.

our audience who've written in to say hi, tell us that they like the show. This is the first Navy person who has shared those kind of feelings about being in the service. Really hostile. Yeah. We got out of that ride and we're like, all right, buddy. Glad you're on a better path. We're going to go eat an obscene amount of Korean barbecue. Which is what we are always doing when we get out of a lift together, right? Ben, I don't want

to end the story there. I want to talk about having Korean barbecue with our good, good friend Ben Fritz. Oh, yeah. Ben Fritz, who got you into the premiere of Star Trek Discovery. Great writer for the Wall Street Journal. And a moment that was maybe the most scared I've ever been at a Korean restaurant. It's the moment where we've got the menu open and we're looking over what to get. And really, Ben, I think the choice that Korean barbecue was always big meat

or two big meats. And Ben Fritz came out right away and said I don't eat beef. Right. I thought this was a bit. Yeah, we both were like getting ready to yes and the I don't eat beef and he was like, no, seriously, I don't. But order whatever you want, like I'll pick around it. I really like K-pop like skips off of the record player. Yeah, everybody in the restaurant

turns, including the super drunk 18 person birthday table. There was two sections away from us. I was legit scared at this point because I've never gone all pork at Karina barbecue. I've always had big beef and then maybe dessert pork. I used to be like Ben Fritz, where I was, I would eat swine, but I would not eat beef. And I've loosened the rules up, but it's kind of a rare dietary choice, right? Like the no beef, but yes, swine guy. I mean, he was looking at your wife when he said this, So I thought it was sort of a power move there. My wife who is Jewish and has lots of misgivings about how much I enjoy a nice pork chop from time to time.

We put together an ordering system, Ben, that we've never done before at Korean barbecue, but which I will say worked out great. The answer was little beef, little pork. Yeah, so there was something for wifey, there was something for Ben Fritz, and Ben and Adam ate all of most of it. The server tried to discourage us from going this path. She's like, no, that's too much food.

And in my own way, I made her understand that she was wrong about that. In an Asian cuisine context, there is often a thing where you try and order something and the server will attempt to dissuade you from it. Most often because it's too spicy, but also sometimes because you don't understand the portion size. And we stared that server down and said no we are doing this give me a cake of beer you don't understand we're here to destroy ourselves and Ben's

wife and our friend Ben Fritz I mean to her credit we did not put our Korean barbecue punch cards on the table thus demonstrating our veteran Korean barbecue status. The flight logbook that we both keep to show how many air miles that we've accumulated. The logbook that the previous servers must sign off on so that we can get our license to you, Korean barbecue. And I think she got the picture by the time our sixth rice wine showed up for our table of four. Yeah, I was ordering two more bottles at once at some point in that meal, and she left it man. I was like, all right, all right. I think that's when she

understood what what monsters we truly were. There's a secret level at Korean barbecue that you unlock after the sixth bottle, the server drinks the seventh with you. We couldn't quite make it there with our four top but yeah. It was a delightful amount of consumption with that party especially and such great company too. I love that guy Ben Fritz. Yeah Ben Fritz, a plus. My wife also. Yeah your wife also a plus. A plus. Let's not forget about her.

One of the great ladies. Willing to eat beef and pork with the gang. Yeah. Yeah, usually her rule is she'll eat a pork thing if pork isn't one of the words in the name. Like, pork chop, no, chorizo, yes. But this time she suspended the rules. Kangho Downg is Switzerland for her. Sure is. What are you doing? What are you doing? What are you doing now? Oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, They're very rude, Ben Sisko and Gang just showing up and inviting themselves in, asking everybody to stand down very politely. But Goldoo Cut does not want a peaceful withdrawal in this situation. Yeah, he's goading both parties into a firefight. Will you stop talking and shoot them?

Like this dude is in the middle of the battlefield that he is setting up and he is fucking threatening everybody. And I love this a bad him. And it's also like eight or 10 Mayquise. Right? Right. And then it's just Cisco, Dr. Bashir, and Odo, who is known not to carry a weapon. So it's just Cisco, Dr. Bashir, and Odo, who is known not to carry a weapon.

It's like, Odo, who should have been on the first away team mission. He really should have. Odo, Mr. Fantastics, head sweater vest guy, Amaroos, like taking him off of a ladder he's trying to escape on. I've been wanting to see Odo do this to somebody for two seasons.

Yeah, I know. Great payoff. And like a really well done special effect, right? The like turning just a part of an actor into a CG effect, that's pretty challenging, right? Yeah, and it looks good. It looks great. So they knock everybody out and they leave sweater vest alive.

And Cisco says, hey listen, Cal Hudson and I were still buddies. And I understand that like he's starting to come down on another side of this issue from where I'm at. But if you see him, you tell him, the situation has gotten out of hand. And maybe we've all done things that we regret. And so to protect his dignity, what I've done is not tell Admiral Nachev that he has flipped. I think this is fucked up. And this all goes back to the very first scene with Nachev, right? Like that she doesn't have all the information W slash R slash T. Cal. I think it's a it's a missed opportunity for a more interesting way to tell the story,

but it's it sort of fucks with the logic of the show because I think this episode gets a lot more intense if Nichev is like, Hey, your orders have changed. Your orders are now to apprehend Cal and bring him in dead or alive. Like he's a huge threat to the DMZ. He could cause a war right now. Like bring him in dead or alive. Like he's a huge threat to the DMZ. He could cause a war right now. Like bring him in. Right. And because she's ignorant of cows, true feelings, because Ben Sisko didn't tell her, but I wish that was where this episode jumped off from. Because Sisko talked in the chair right after waking up from being phasered on the planet. Why was that

not in his report? Why is he still carrying water for Hudson? Yeah, and I think that's fucked up. It's that like personal loyalty ahead of loyalty to, you know, King and Country thing. But by not being specific, you don't allow Cisco's character to take one side or the other. It just goes unspoken.

Can you imagine this ever happening in TNG? Like anybody ever betraying anybody on that ship on a basis like this? I know. To have it go unmentioned, I think is a mistake. So they get DuCott back to the station and he basically turns it into an opportunity to pick out. These are character building scenes with Ducat, like one after the other where we're starting to grow our esteem for him. Do you think that's Yamack sauce that he's putting on all his food?

It's gotta be. I think it's great to the drinks that out of the cup. Yeah. He's hitting the cup, he's drizzling it all over his vegetables. And I kind of think that all of this is going according to plan for DuCat. He doesn't know that he's been thrown into the bus by the central command yet. So... Yeah. He is the appetite of a man who's not being hunted down. Yeah. They talk a little bit about Cardassia and Juris Prudence in this scene, where like if there's a trial in

Cardassia, everybody knows the verdict before it starts. Right. In a way that it's not like it's a foregone conclusion, but like is the presumption of guilt. Yeah. And it is a great scene because it feels like Siskel has laid this rhetorical trap for DuCott when he reveals the fact that the central command have betrayed him. They never bothered to tell me.

And DuCott has been sitting there gloating about how great the Cardassian justice system is. It really comes back and bites him in the ass, like within the scene, you know? Like there's a theatricality to Cardassians that is pervade their entire relationship to Star Trek. And this is like a quintessential version of that. Like the idea that Cardassians love the spectacle. Yeah.

Whether or not the outcome is predictable or not, like in the sense of criminal prosecution, it is a predictable outcome. People just love the show. But yeah, when he realizes that he's actually like got his pants down around his ankles and has the entire time, this turns Ducati into a very different asset for the story

because he flips from chaotic bad to like, chaotic good. If I help you stop the smuggling, will you help me stop the monkey? Right. And he's suddenly like aligned with Cisco in a way that he like honestly wasn't before. God damn it, I just sprayed foam all over my computer. That has never happened. You know how many beers we've had on this show?

So many beers. Oh man. What a freak thing. I mean, we've got Colin Dinsmore already working on logging every single drunk Samota. There's somebody out there that can go through and find out how many beers they've been heard to be opened on this show. God, that has gotta be like a one and a hundred thing

that just happened. You gotta point the beer away from the computer when you open it up at them. Like I should spin my chair around. Yeah, put yourself in the line of fire. God, that sucks. Is it okay? Is everything okay? No, it's fine. It's fine.

It's just like, you know how like when someone touches your monitor, it is just like deeply irritating. I'm watching the beer foam dry. And like knowing I'm gonna have to do a nice monitor cleaning later. Do you know any monitor touches in your life? I have a close friend who's a monitor toucher and I can't believe I'm still friends with them. Yeah, you don't want to be friends with that kind of person.

You don't recline your seat. You don't touch the monitor. I feel like they're now, they're rules of greatest gen, Ben and I think we're writing them as we do the show. Rule number one, a greatest gen. Do you not recline the show. Yeah. Rule number one, a greatest Jen. Do not recline your seat. No. Rule number two, a greatest Jen.

Don't touch the monitor. Do not touch the monitor. My monitor came with a sticker on it, like on the screen. And it was like a, it was a very high-stress situation for me to take the sticker off. Like it wasn't, it was not a, it was like, it wasn't like one of those static cling stickers. It was a sticker sticker. It was like post-it-level sticker, where it was like easy to take off, but it was adhesive. But the fact that it was a sticker, like really stressed me out.

That's so weird. I would have expected like that clear plastic cling that you get on TVs and monitors that that would be the thing. Why are they sticking stickers on there? They shouldn't be doing that. That's the long and the short of it, Adam, is that it shouldn't be done in the first place. Benjamin R. Harris en writes on his Amazon item review,

one star. They shouldn't be sticking stickers on these monitors. Yeah, that's my personal feeling on the subject. So DuCut is exercised because he now realizes that he's kind of exposed in a way that he didn't realize. And so there's some previous aliens that have been running guns for the Kardashians. And I think we've, that's the Leccipians, is that right? There's the Leccipians and then there's the Zeppolites, which is who they actually roll up on in a runabout.

The Zeppolites, of course, are an alien that's generally only available at an Italian street festival, but they're also in this episode. I'm so stupid. I love the fucking audacity of the world. They're so stupid. Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha Very match. And nice neighbor Ben Sisko's like, hey guys, you might just pull it over and maybe let us board you or whatever. Yeah, and let Shitty or neighbor DuCott reports them to the city.

Right. DuCott's like, I'll fucking kill you. Yeah. It's a great good cut bad cut moment here. Yeah, I like this alien too. I kind of wish he wasn't a one-off because it's like, it's kind of interesting loaf design. Like it makes him look very alien.

He's totally got Mrs. Doubtfire loaf. He looks like he just stuck his face into a cake and then tilted up to camera and that's what he looks like. He looks like he's got frosting face. We do not agree on this, Ben. That's what I'm trying to say. Is the runabout that much well better armed than the Zepoli? Because they say that the Zepoli ship is much faster than them. Yeah.

But Gilducot threatens them on the basis of like we are gonna fucking shoot you out of the sky Unless you heave to and this dude is like all right If they're that much faster. I feel like it's it's a race between button pushes right couldn't the Zeppelite freighter go to warp and Put them out of weapons range immediately if they hit the button first. I kind of think so I kind of wonder if it's like a submarine thing where like the torpedoes are vastly faster and put them out of weapons range immediately if they hit the button first, I kinda think so. I kinda wonder if it's like a submarine thing where like the torpedoes are vastly faster than the ships.

Oh yeah. I don't know. It's DuCott's force of personality that authority shames him into surrendering though and it's great. It's such a great scene. Yeah. There's some background acting

that Nanaa Vizator does during this that she's like, I fucking hate that guy, but God damn it. That was really impressive. She says all of that with her face. Game recognized game in the Baymain. It's so awesome. She is a fucking master at this being like, there's a fucking novel on her face when she looks at you,

God at the end of that scene. It is so impressive. She is impressive every episode. Yeah. So yeah, the Zepolites are in fact, delivering weapons to the Kardashians. And like the deal between Ducati and Cisco is like, you help me stop the arms running.

I'll help you stop the make-ways. Make-ways? And so that is like the first step of that agreement being adhered to. We cut back to the station, and Quark is in prison with his girlfriend. You know, it begins with a little bit of a creepy vibe, like, oh geez, like close quarters between them,

that's not gonna be good. But it's- Not standard practice to have co-educational prison cells also. But very quickly pivots into cork making a business case for peace. Yeah, like the rare case because like he also stands to gain a great deal of money from the conflict like one way or another. But he sweats this Vulcan girl and also wants to find stability. By making the case for peace, you can argue that it is a case that makes her safe. That could be an aspect of it. Yeah, I wish I had any faith that her character was ever going

to come back. She didn't. We cut right to a meeting of the sweater vest chamber of commerce that Amaro's is running along with a low-rent Geno Davis, I guess. And they're talking over the particulars of what to do in the aftermath of DuCat's escape. They're talking over how you defend the colonies and whether to put it in a curfew and posting guards at the replicators and stuff. It's sort of the city council meeting

of a city that has been cut off where they don't have anybody to protect normal states of affairs anymore. And Ben Sisko barges in, phaser in belt, and they're like, oh, sir, if you could just wait outside, we have some stuff to continue finalizing, and then we'll be happy to take questions from the citizenry. And he's like, nah, Doug, I have some shit to get off my chest. And one of the things that I would like to get off my chest is that the treaty is final. The war was bloody and shitty, and it's over now.

And you've been given a lot of options, and what you're doing is like openly antagonistic to peace, and so we're not going to keep like defending you and backing you up. If you're an enemy of the Kardashians, you're an enemy of the Federation. It's interesting that it's come to this, right? Because they've been operating in aninimity, in quasi-aninimity, I should say, for a while, it feels like this message could have been delivered at any point, but they finally reached a tipping point where delivered directly, they are cautioned

against further terrorist activities. Gunlet down. Yeah. And Cal walks in, like they have that thing where like 25 armed people come through the doors and like 25 armed people from every alien race in Star Trek like bullions and going on and Everything comes through the door and Cal is

Has apparently heard everything Ben Cisco has said in this room. And Benzisco is prepared for this. He's like, hey, this messenger bag I have, it actually has your uniform in it. I picked it up off the forest floor before I left the Ace Garden Center. And I brought it back to you, dude. And I want you to know, like, Nicheev does not know who you've been writing for. Like, as far as Starfleet knows, you've been in your office this entire time doing your work.

So you have an opportunity right now to rebuke the path that these people are on and get back on the right side of history. And Calhudson sets his face with the gore and kills his uniform. How do you gore a uniform? Yeah, why is there so much gore in there? Why were there bones in that uniform? Pretty gross. One of the tactical points of interest right now is a going concern at the weapons depot

on the Bremacolini bin. Yeah, and Cisco has declared that this weapon's depot is under his personal protection. Because I'll be waiting there and I will stop you. And so like we get like a little strategy meeting on the station, you know, we get like a little strategy meeting on the station, you know, talking about like odds are in our favor, like numerically, but these are, they're used to asymmetric warfare. Like, this is what they've been doing.

What do you make of these little flies that they fly around? I don't know. I think that they're the same ones that we saw in TNG episodes about the Mayquees, right? I wish this was an opportunity to bring back older class starships. That would be fun. I want to be in a Star Trek world where the Mayquees raid the Depot. In like a reliant class starship.

And they unscrap yard, like they unmathball some ships. And they take an old del Sol and an old Constitution out. And they go kick some ass with those old birds. That'd be a lot of fun. Instead, the interiors seem like they're very small. It seems like a bunk bed shuttle type accommodations on on the inside. Right. For these Make Weas Raiders. They're the bunk beds to the king size beds of the of the roundabouts, but but the roundabouts are, you know,

sort of evenly matched like it's it's a fairly fun dogfight where, you know, they're trying to lock tractor beams and settle it peacefully, but the make-weezer like shooting the backpacks off of the runner-pouts and like, you know, they're much more maneuverable, so. Yeah, the asymmetric quality here is really fun. But the friendship is over.

And like, like, Gal and Cisco, FaceTime with each other, like, you've been a good friend and it's been nice knowing you basically. The other two runabouts get disabled and the other make-wee ship gets disabled. DuCott is like, Cisco, you gotta fucking blow this guy out of this guy right now.

Like, this is your opportunity to settle this one's and for all. And Cisco is not in a killing, you know, frame of mind. He lets, he lets, Caled's and get away. You're a fool. A sentimental fool. And he regrets it not long after. You see, he thinks that he's just delaying the inevitable of what's going to be visited upon them and those involved with this treaty.

This might be the last episode of Deepface 9 that I remember very vividly watching when I was a kid. And I remember this scene where Kira tells him he stopped a war and he asks whether he stopped a war or just delayed the inevitable. And I remember going and like pulling the dictionary off of the bookshelf and looking up the word inevitable. As soon as the question is asked, the answer is given because you hear the single brass instrument of delaying the inevitable. Play us out into the end of the episode. So they don't give us long to consider what may be happening here. Then I really wish that in that last moment between Ben and Cal that I wish he had been ordered to kill

Cal and that that was what that was the tension, that was the force that he was fighting against. But because this moment is totally self-motivated entirely, I think it deadens the feeling here in a way that I wish hadn't happened. Right. Like you've got an italic nougalic on your call sheet. like get her on a second FaceTime screen saying, I am ordering you to fire. Maybe that's hack though, like maybe that's just a thing in me that's like, this feels like the format of friend up against friend in a conflict like this. You always have to bring the matter to a head through an outside force.

Is that where I'm coming from and is that a wrong way to think of it? I don't know. I mean, I think that the odds of Calhads and coming back ever again are pretty low. He didn't. And he's a fucking great character, so you either let him go out with a bang or have him as a recurring character.

This middle thing of we never hear from him again feels like dramatically not a great way to handle a character this juicy. Yeah, we talk about missed opportunities all the time and I think that's a big one on this show. Yeah. Did you like the episode though, Ben? I think that the second episode is uncharacteristically weaker than the first.

Right. In this arc, but I think on balance, I liked it. There, there's a lot on the board now, you know, there's a lot of players in the game now. And I think that the Star Trek thing of a show taking a couple seasons to figure itself out is on full display in Deep Space 9 and I think this is where they start to work out like what they can and can't do and what and what the show is about and I I like to see that happen That's such a great take because I feel like this

two-parter has such confidence like it proceeds from a very confident perspective But it doesn't have so much confidence as to know they need to keep cal around Or know that they need to force Cisco into a decision later instead of having him be self-motivated. This is so close to being a great two-parter and not just a good one. I also like the episode, but I like it for the same reason that you did, and I don't love it for those reasons as well. I feel like we're really on to something here, and it really demonstrates a potential of

the series at this early moment in time. True that. Do you want to see if there are priority one messages for us or somebody else in our Q? We better before we're too drunk to read them. Priority one message from Starfleet coming in on Secured Channel. Need a supplement on that. supplement on that? supplement. supplement. Yeah it's extra. But the interest alone could be enough to buy this ship.

Ben our first priority one message is from Richard Valle and Herbert Speise. Those don't sound like real names. Oh no. And the messages for those of the warm-hunted bosom that didn't appreciate the Nemesis meme. The message goes like this, Grakman is like Batman, but Garrick with a Batman mask on.

I responded with a meme of my own, but used a Batman villain. I chose Bane, because he's played by Tom Hardy. Tom Hardy was also a Nemesis, so I made a meme using an image of Tom Hardy from Nemesis, but saying a line by Bane. I thought it was funny, but it went unappreciated, like Boramir.

Bint's wrong. Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha. I did not think that I was gonna be able to get through that. I'm palette shot right now, Ben. I am, I am shithouse drunk at this point, Adam. I am beyond impressed that you did that in one take. Yeah, I mean, I'm a professional voice actor. Yeah.

So Richard, Valle and Herbert Spice attempted something that the Warm Honeyd was ignored. Is that what we're understanding here? I don't believe it was appreciated. I mean whether or not ignoring it constitutes disappreciation. And the Warm Honeyd Buddhism is a chat room. I thought up until recently that I was aware of all the different chat rooms Isn't like a Facebook is there a Facebook thing? I'm through joining groups, I think Ben. Yeah, I don't want to join anything else I think that one thing that has has has really revealed itself to us is that We cannot be entirely a part of every group.

You know, like we have to be our own thing and that's okay. I am very satisfied with the idea of inspiring people to form the groups that they want to form. I want the groups to be safe, fun, cool places that don't have an expectation that we can participate at a 100% level. I don't think anyone has that expectation and I think that's good. Yeah, our second priority on message, Adam, is from Steve and it's a John. As a thanks for introducing me to this pod, and in celebration of the near or imminent birth of your first child, I thought I'd try to get you some fatherhood advice from Adam and Ben.

I look forward to showing Roz your favorite trek, the first two seasons of Metal Star Galactica, maybe even the greatest Galactica when she's old enough? PS, BT says hi. Okay, so I think we're being asked to dispense some advice, some fatherhood advice. Any ideas, Dad? some advice, some fatherhood advice. Any ideas, Dad?

Don't try to be a great man. Just be a man. Who said that? Yeah, it's too fatherless, man, I think. It's too childless, man. I think that's a lot to ask of us, TBH. Yeah. Yeah, that feels like talking out of school. Yeah, I couldn't possibly understand what that's like.

I'm very excited for your impending fatherhood. Yeah, John's gonna be a dad. That's really great. Yeah. I guess my only advice is like, you know, make your child's life as awesome as you can. I think one of the first things you should do is like make a mobile out of a testicular cancer self-exam iconography. Like, I think you want to get on that early if you're gonna have a son, I mean.

Mm-hmm. Yeah. It sounds like Razz is the name of the child though, so probably not a son. Oh, yeah. Razz is a great name. This is the name of the child though, so probably not a son. Oh yeah. Ross is a great name. Ross is an awesome name. How early is too early to be watching Battle Star Galactic Eye wonder? How early is too early to get a P1 message?

It's never too early. You go to maximumfund.org slash jumbo-tron to 100 bucks for a personal message and 200 for a commercial message. It's a great way to promote the production of this program. Hey Adam. What's that been? Did you find yourself a drunk Shimoda? Drunk Shimoda! Calvin Hudson!

Calvin Hudson! It's all about Calvin Hudson for me, Ben. Calvin Hudson, mostly because I cannot let on the long bar graph of greatest gen history, Calvin Hudson, to only be given one Shimoda on that timeline. I wish him to have two. He's doing a lot of work here. He is as charismatic as ever. Yeah. What sucks is like they stick him in that shuttlecraft and they let him have like the big

scene at the end. Yeah. Face time to Face time. Why didn't he team up with sweater vest guy? I don't know. Why didn't he team up with sweater vest guy? I don't know. I Would have wished for a Duny mirror That was more like face-to-face, phaser-to-faser like it would there's a version of that that we get here It's ship-to-ship, but they both kind of limp away from each other Anyway, that feels a little unsatisfying. Yeah, but man Calvin Hudson really like that guys deal. Unfortunately, this is the last that we will see him. And in bidding him, Ed, you, I give him

the second of two drunk tomatoes in a row. What about you, Ben? Calvin Hudson! Calvin Hudson! Even Darwin got in on that one. We know that we're not getting Bernie Casey back, and that fucking sucks, like this is a great character. This is a character that deserved more from this series, I think. And I don't know how these decisions get made, right? Like, you get the fucking great actor, and you write the great character, and then the actor has misgivings about being on the dumb show.

Or whatever, you know. I mean, it's not like Bernie Casey's better than this. He was, and I'm gonna get you, Succa. Like, he's made his choices. He's in, but he's also in one of the greatest movies of all time, Bill and Ted Jackson and Adventure. Yeah. And he's great.

He has such a good foil for Benzisco, in a way that like, I think Benzisco often plays the foil to the other characters on the show and it's good to have Cisco in the driver seat on an episode again. Yeah. And and Cal Hudson like an iconic character. Like, I think Brynny Casey made an iconic character out of, out of Cal Hudson. And I don't know if it's- I feel like people are gonna find us disingenuous about our, our interest in Calvin Hudson's popsicle here. But you're not wrong.

He's fucking great. He's fucking great. He gets two chances to crush it and he crushes it. Yeah, he double crushes it and you don't double crush it without getting a Shimoda nomination. And I don't want to I don't want to fall under that two two Shimoda nomination threshold that Colin Dinsmore sets on the like season wrap up Shimoda standings. So for that reason, Calhedson is my drunk Shimoda. A greatest-gen live show is something you don't want to miss.

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I love you so much, man. You're the best. The Netflix description is, while having his weekly lunch with Bashir, Garrick is suddenly overcome by extreme pain. Don't I know the feeling? Well, we might as well see what we are overcome with in the next episode. Ben, by seeing a foregoing to do the episode in any particular way, we are currently on square 68 and a quark's bar is a one two three four away. Fuck, you're required to learn as you play.

You're required to learn as you play. Roll. So, uh, if you would do the honors and roll the dice... I have to do the honors, I thought this was your episode. Alright, fine. You fucking do it. You jerk. I like... I like how everyone is soon going to know that I get nice when I'm drunk and you...

you turn mean. I don't turn mean? How dare you. I'm playing a character. There it is, I've rolled a three. Tula! Did I win? All of it. Which is three squares closer to a quark's bar, but does not get us out of danger.

So, uh. Bumps us up against it. Yeah, I feel like we're like, we're in line at this bar and there's a bouncer that's like, you guys are not coming in. You've been over served already. Well, that is my experience at most bars with velvet ropes. So I think that's a familiar feeling.

How mean will Ben get tune in next time to find out? I don't want you to spread this as a reputation because I may, I may very sweet drunk. You know that about me. Don't, don't fucking put, don't put. If you take the entirety of this episode out of evidence, then yeah, I'ma client do agree. Face to face in person, very sweet drunk.

That's Benjamin R. Harrison. Give me a break, man. Like don't put dirt out about me out in the streets Just because I'm a little bit inebriated I want people to know that I'm a nice guy and when I Enjoy a little bit of party time. I remain a nice guy Sure, I mean look we'll let the viewers decide for themselves. The reputation.

That is so unfair. We all know that they like you more than they like me. That is also one true. Hey, things are gonna be alright as we roll into the next episode. You know what, when I would like, would be for the friends of Disodo who are on Team Harrison. Oh God. Take two Apple podcasts. Leave a nice review.

Five stars. Tell him you like Ben more than you like Adam. Because Adam is a little bit mean. He plays this role like he's a nice guy when he's drunk, but really he's down low, kind of mean. I don't want anybody to be deceived. Adam, bit of a jerk. I'm going to turn to camera right now, which is my camera?

Is my camera? No. I'm going to adjust the viewer directly. Adam, you idiot. It's the one with the red light on top. You know that. It's the one with the red light on top. You know that? It's the one over there. I wanna apologize for my co-host, Calvin Hudson like turn.

I don't believe what he said is right at all. But look, it's up to you. You're not Ben Sisko, I'm Ben Sisko. You're fucking Calvin Hudson. I would prefer if you left a five star review for any reason. If it happens to dunk on me in the process, so be it. I would say I will read every dunk on the Adam Live Review out loud on the show.

And I will lalalalala through every dunk on Ben review live on the show. God damn it, why can't we review. Live on the show. Goddamn it, why can't we do anything fun on the show anymore? Yeah, you don't know where you're at because you're drunk and that's why you're being mean to me. You're a mean drunk at him, admit it. One of the friendliest places on the internet is Facebook. I would encourage you to join either of any of the many greatest gen related Facebook groups.

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