The Greatest Generation - Perplexing Volume (DS9 S3E1)

Episode Date: August 27, 2018

When midlife crisis Ben Sisko rolls up to the station in his brand new ride, he can’t wait to show the crew what’s so special under the hood. But when he invites them on a trip around the block with him to show it off, the feedback from their neighbors is surprising. Where do we stand on Big Almond? How do we verify if “Scepter is Authentic”? Why can’t you go through the wormhole cloaked? It’s the episode where we decide where a “yes, and” belongs.

Priority 1 message from Starfleet coming in on Secured Channel. Hey friends of Disodo. Before today's episode, we just wanted to take a moment to talk about the historic labor actions being taken by writers and actors in the American Film and Television industry. If you're a fan of the work done by the people who make Star Trek, we hope you'll join us in standing in solidarity with the folks who actually bring these adventures to life. Over the past several years, the AMPTP, the organization that represents the American Film and Television Production Studios, have reduced the profit from movies and TV going to workers. And in so doing,

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I've been Erison, I ate some almonds right before we started recording and I'm realizing that my teeth are full of little fragments of almonds. I'm very uncomfortable. This episode of The Greatest Generation brought to you by almonds and Ben's mouth. That's right, the recording artists friend for over 60 years. The almond growers of America, thank you for your patronage. They famously union-busting almond growers, isn't that?

Oh no. Don't that... almond growers are kind of bad, generally. You're gonna put us on the opposite end of big almond, Ben. Yeah. I don't want to be crushed under their nutty fingers. Those big almond guys will break your knees like cracking a shell. And way more afraid of big ol' man than big rod.

We've stared into the face of big rod and lived to tell the tale. So... Big rods like sauerun of sauerun wore a dorky t-shirt. Third, forty bucks for his own signature. Yeah. Like, who gives a fuck? Third, 40 bucks for his own signature. Yeah. Like, who gives a fuck? Hey, I'm Frank Stallone.

I'm looking at the judges table during the slam dunk contest. On the ground, let you know what they think of it. Now we will wait for their judges. It was like a 4.8, a 10 point scale. Yeah. Adam, I heard tell that you went to our PO box recently. Was there anything in it? I've been out of town for a long time and I came back to a box full of mail bin.

That's the stuff opened. Let's open that shit up. Captain, I'm sorry to disturb you. I'm receiving a code 47. Verify? It is code 47, sir. Starfleet emergency frequency. Captions eyes only.

Ben on the very top of the stack was a postcard from our good friend, Ant Kilser. One of the best friends of Disodo. Yeah, Ant Kilser's one of the greats. Ann Kilser's still in Japan. We got to meet her on our last tour, right? Yeah. What city was she in when we met her? Do you remember?

I remember meeting her most clearly at Max von Kon East, but I'm almost positive we met her before that. Yeah. At another show. Well, she's now in Japan, which is not on the greatest in contouring schedule, unfortunately. I think after this postcard, you might want to change your mind about that, Ben. Mm-hmm.

Message goes like this. Dear Adam and Ben, I'm writing from Shimoto, Japan. What? After surfing and swimming in the ocean, life's good. I found a job and got a five-year visa. Wow. I remember that being very much in question last time we heard from Anne, so I'm glad that worked out for her. She continues her show, brings me joy, and I'm catching up with the S9. Come visit Japan, exclamation point. Hell yeah.

I want to revisit Japan so bad, Ben. And I don't want to ask too much of you. It sounds like you're a busy person. But if in your travels throughout Shimoda and parts non-Shimoda in Japan, if you find a place that would be appropriate for a greatest Gen show, I'm willing to consider the possibility. Do you think we could sell 50 tickets in Japan?

I think so. Ben, if we sold 50 tickets in Japan, I will say right now that I would go and do that show. Yeah, I mean, it's a tax right off, right? If we, yeah. That's like a government subsidized trip to Japan. I'm no tax professional and I'm famously terrible with money, so sure I'm ready to believe that. Yeah, just take it from me Adam.

I'm glad I trust you so much, Ben. It would definitely be a losing, a money losing proposition, but not that bad of a money losing proposition. I've lost more money for less valid reasons. What if we went to Japan and found out we were like a huge deal there and we just never knew because we have crappy analytics on our podcast host? Huge in Japan is one of the only ways that I want to talk about myself. So that would be great. That would be really fun. Wow, that's so great to hear that Anne Kielzer is having a great time over there. Do we have any other mail?

Yeah, we do. We've got two more packages, Ben. I'm opening up the second. What we have here is a photo-mailer sent to us from Emily out of San Antonio, Texas. And there is a letter in an envelope and also a challenge coin, Ben. Woo! This challenge coin on one side says, Black Knights, checkmate.

On the other side, it says, Commanders Coin of Excellence, 93rd Intelligence, SQ. Oh. A beautiful and substantial coin. The greeting card says, Hi on the front. And the letter on side says,

Dear Adam and Ben Ben I recently received my FOD challenge coin and it's so lovely I wanted to send this along. Oh so she must have come to one of our Texas shows. Yeah. We didn't get the coins made in time for our Texas shows so we had to mail them out. And by the way we had one return to send, and I think we sorted that out and one that we heard from the person that it didn't show up. And so I sent out another, but if you came to one of our Texas shows and you're wondering if your coin is still on its way, if you haven't gotten it yet, send us a tweet or something, because it may have gotten lost in the mail. The letter continues traditionally, challenge coins are RMOs, as they're known in some circles

are given in recognition of good work, or are exchanged with new acquaintances from distant duty stations. In light of that, please think of my payment as a donation to the cause and accept this RMO, and then in parentheses she's like, round metal object if you're curious. That's great. From my own collection, thanks for everything. And when will we get a friendly fire one?

Ask Emily. That's a great question. Yeah, the friendly fire challenge coin is an object that is definitely going to be created at some point. It's got to be a pork chop on one side of that challenge coin. Is that heads or tails? I feel like that's heads. I don't know why and I don't know why I'm so positive about that.

But yeah, Adam, it's a beautiful coin. Thank you for Jackie and Lourying to me. Hey, don't thank me. Thank Emily in San Antonio. We got one final package here, Ben. It was sent internationally. And while on the packaging, it says, Do not bend double exclamation point, double underlined.

It looks like it's really been through some shit, unfortunately. No. Yeah, it's torn in places, but I'm not going to let that stop me from enjoying opening this one up from Dean. I'm going to use one of the holes in the packaging to finish the open job. Oh boy. What is spilled out are a number of slips of paper that says this is your own fault. Okay.

That's mildly disturbing. Is there like rice in in there also? This is your own fault. I will Jackie and Laurie use some pictures of this just so you have some documentation of what caused my death. This is really creepy. Yeah, maybe I'll go to the letter before opening this up. It's from Dean from somewhere in the old U of K. Adam and Ben, hey guys, I couldn't think of better recipients for the content of this little package.

I'm just gonna turn back to you Ben and say, not making me feel any better. I long recalls the sight of these at my mother's house, always wondering, not so much how she acquired them, but why she kept them. Again, Ben, not helping. Getting creepier. Now they have come to me, and I knew that an unseen hand was working to only one end. They are destined for you guys. I'm reliably informed that these will work perfectly until 2025 until then enjoy. Hopefully we will still be enjoying the quality pod by then to keep up the great work. Dean, it sort of ended more encouragingly. Yeah, sort of. I feel like I should put on gloves. But I also feel

like it's too late for me now. Oh, and what we've got are two deep space nine wall calendars from 1997. How about that? Unopened. Wow, have they been harmed by the abuse that the package took? No, no, they're in great shape. Wow. I'm wondering if the package wasn't opened and all of the this is your own fault strips of paper were crammed in... Into those holes. I do not understand what that has to do with anything else. Well, it's that we started an embarrassing Star Trek podcast and he's holding us responsible

for him having mailed this to us. Wow. Well, hopefully having opened his package, we can cut to Dean, scratching me off his list of people to kill. I wonder like when we can bust out our deep space nine calendars again. Years with the same calendar as 1997 are 2003, 2014, 2025. Oh, we have a little bit of time. Ben, I've been a fool for throwing away my calendars up until now. I should have kept it.

Yeah. Why the waste of money at them? Are you fucking nuts? Wow. Well, thanks for those calendars and the other stuff. Dean, we really appreciate it. If you have stuff you would like to send us, we have a PO box whose address I will not give out on the podcast. It's easy enough to find though.

Contact a friend of DeSoto for that information and I'm sure they'll be happy to give it to you. Yeah. Much like the PO box address, so too is the first episode of the third season of Star Trek Deep Space 9 entitled The Search Part 1. Do you realize how incredible this is? No, of course you don't. How about this season? A-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha But the threat feels very imminent at the end of season two and they do go so far as do you cut together the minute and 30 second recap of the last episode, which is interesting

because this is part one of a two episode arc. I mean, and colloquially, it's known as the second part of a three episode arc and aren't called the Dominion introduction Yeah, the beginning of this episode of Forza's a really fun bit of business been because This is a binge watch moment where we've gone through a passage of time right with respect to our actors and and we've noticed a few differences to both the characters and the station itself in some fun ways. You want to enumerate those? Well, yeah, we start with a McLaughlin group where Kira is doing some, they've

like analyzed the defensive capabilities of the station W slash R slash T, the ticks that the Gem had our fly around and her hair is grown out a little bit. It's slightly more hair on her head than she's had in previous seasons. Then the camera pans over to DAX. DAX has got a whole new haircut. What? DAX has got pioneer woman hair.

She's got pioneer woman hair with some sci-fi flair. Like, like the shape of it is all Pioneer Woman, but the way the locks are like tied into like regular fins on the sides heading toward the back is real advanced, you know. Pioneer Woman didn't have time for that shit. Yeah, Pioneer Woman didn't have the volume that she's able to achieve. Well, she's always had like perplexing volume, right?

Like, her previous haircut was a... tended to be a ponytail, but, you know, up on the top of her head, she definitely had something assisting the hair to pop up as much as it did. It's gotten symmetrically embiggened. Like it's taller and wider and deeper. She's gone to volumizing shampoo university and graduated sumacumlata. Nutrigenateejo, it works. Interesting choice, Ben, because like, Nana Nana visitor famously was like,

Kira would never have hair that took this much work to style and so she had it cut off, but this is a hairstyle that clearly takes a lot of work to make happen and Dax is a person that we know to like get in wrestling matches in her quarters. Like this does not appear to be the hair of an 800 year old being. It seems fussy. But I think Dax is really into leaning

into the gender expression of its host. Like, so when Dax is a dude, it's like the devious dude. Like all the stories about Kersan are about like womanizing and drinking and getting in fights and shit. And and Jetsia is like a super feminine character. Yeah. I don't I don't think it's like a major departure, but this is it definitely bespeaks a good deal of time has passed since the last episode. You know. Yeah. You don't just leave work with a pony and show up the next day with this.

know. Yeah. You don't just leave work with a pony and show up the next day with this. This feels like in a number of ways this is the the season where Riker got the beard. Because I mean that the hairstyles have changed the the combat just have changed. Odo's makeup and costuming has changed. Yeah. Is it the belt that they added? I think his entire costume is different than what it was in the previous season. But one crucial aspect that has changed, I think, is I think the lighting on the station is different. This feels a lot like a change between Incan Desan and LED lighting. Lights around the station feel a lot brighter to me. Yeah, they glow in the camera more, maybe. Yeah. I feel like they're shooting into them a lot more in this episode.

Yeah. They're having this McLaughlin group with Cisco Absent, and he makes sort of a grand entrance that shocks those around this meeting. It's a little bit like Bruce Wayne showing up at the fundraiser for Harvey Dent by landing on the the helipad and helping three babes in different color dresses out of his helicopter. Yeah. All of the alarms on the stations like go off at once and they're reading some kind

of anomaly. Distance 300 meters. 300 meters? Rock, I'm telling you, there's something moving in it ain't us. They speculate that this may be a cloaking device, and indeed it is, Adam. We cut to the exterior and a ship comes out of cloak, a ship that the like of which we have never seen.

It's definitely a Federation starship, but I've never seen that design before. Like a 50-year year old man coming back from a car lot with a brand new Ford Mustang. It feels very mid life crisis and Cisco here rolling up with his T-tops convertible ship. Yeah. The Defiant is a pretty rad looking, pretty stubby bit of business. Yeah.

It's flat and sleek. It's hard to tell scale wise where it's at because it's, I mean, it doesn't quite look like any other starfleet ship. I mean, it's such a cool bit of design because it's like unmistakably starfleet-y, but it's not like anything we've seen before, you know. It kind of looks like the Federation Impression of a Gem Hiddarship, and I don't think that's an accident.

Yeah, it's got a beadle-y profile. Yeah. I think I got a hammock! Yeah! Sweet! He's very excited about this new ship. He beams aboard, and they have a second consecutive McLaughlin group at him. He's your two. They move into the larger conference room and he's given them the download on the

defiant and he had a hand in designing this thing. In the post Wolf 359 world world when Starfleet was looking at ships that are explicitly designed for combat so that we can kill borgs. What would that look like? They came up with this. I love its backstory. It reminds me of that ship they ran into in the wrecking yard that was that was that low rider class ship. Yeah. That that was destroyed in one glancing shot because it was so full of explosives. Right. It's a real hot rod, right? It's like, he says it's overpowered and overgunned for a ship of its size.

And I love that it's imperfect. And I think that's crucial. Like, it would be so easy for them to arrive into season three with like a cheat code weapon. Right. Where that is like purpose built to solve the problem that we created at the end of season two, but they copped to right away this being an imperfect solution to a terrifying problem. They spend the entire first part of the episode talking about how in every simulation they

lose the fight. And now they have their best chance in the form of something that could end up destroying them. Yeah, there were two things I wish they had fleshed out a tiny bit more. One is that the borgs are no longer considered to be as big a threat and unclear what has changed. Yeah, I completely agree. I think that's insane. Yeah. To be like, they're gone and they're never coming back. And we don't have any proof of that. I guess is it because Laura messed them up too much in that episode arc where he had all the indie borgs?

I mean, there are a lot of episodes that we don't see of just administration in the aftermath of the descent episodes that I would really like to know a little more about. Yeah, I mean, the other thing that he says just kind of offhand is that there's a Romulan cloaking device on it. And when did we get to be big friends with the Romulans to the extent that they would give a piece of super classified technology to us, even with a custodian. When you want a cloaking device, it's going to come with that. But I'm not quite clear on what the relationship is that has made this possible. I mean, like the explanation we get in passing from the Romulan officer that's been dispatched to, you know, be hall monitor for the cloaking device is that

the Romulans don't want the Dominion to have any influence over the Alpha Quadrant. So it's seen as like a state priority, but like how the fuck are the Romulans so aware of what a huge threat the Dominion poses. I just don't get it. I don't know. I mean, this is T rule. And she gets to walk around with a cat basket and a phaser. Like that seems like something that in spite of their professional relationship and the need for her to run the cloaking device that they wouldn't allow. Yeah, we're going to have to suspend a lot of disbelief to

accept the cloaking device aspect of this ship. She's not there to make friends, Ben. Yeah. In short order, she leaves this McLaughlin group, leaving behind another person, Lieutenant Commander Michael Eddington, who makes a clear is there to make friends. He's sort of a Lieutenant Toast type.

I'm Lieutenant Commander Michael Eddinginton, Starfleet Secure. Oh, God, oh, man! When he follows his bone or Indicure, I was like, oh, Jesus, like this is gonna be our B story. Is him chasing Cure around? Charming. We never see him. Yeah, you know, it's fun to plan to writing seed that big and never address it within the episode

that you planted it in. Like that's almost something that like, we mainly associate with disco, you know? Yeah. But they're doing that here. You're telling me Eddington's gonna be of concern later on? I mean, I recognized him.

So I think he's in more than one episode. I don't think they introduced a character by announcing him by name and then never have him back, you know. Right. Daddy came back from the car lot with his fancy car, but he also came back with a mission, Adam. That was a well-timed horn. That was a well-timed horn. That mission is to go into the Gamma Quadrant despite the fact that the Gemma Dhar expressly

forbade that and attempt to establish a diplomatic relationship with the founders, the mysterious people that run the dominion. Founders who have never been seen, who everyone who describes them has said they may or may not even exist, it is purely speculative right now, this mission. It's such a start-fleet move though, Like, if we could just talk to them. You know? It's ultimate exploration too. Like the entire board is open for them.

They're just gonna see what they can find. And what better way than in a cloaked ship? What are you doing? What are you doing? What are you doing now? I'm not be guard, not be guard, not be guard, not be guard, not be guard. Exactly. A lot has changed in the intervening summer break. And one of those things is that the Starfleet higher ups have decided that Odo is not going to be in charge of everything related to security on the station. Like he can be the mall cop for the promenade, but he can't

be chief of station security, and that's where Eddington comes in. And Odo's pretty cheesed by this. My resignation will be logged within the hour. I don't think he's ever felt like his job's been safe. And he takes this as a man who is expecting this to happen. Resigned yet angry about it. Yeah, I mean, if Warf had been held to the standard that Odo's being held to though, like, things would have changed pretty radically on the enterprise, you know? Like the the reason he's being removed is that there have been some security breaches. Yeah, no shit.

Like like allowing Quirk to walk totally unpunished, episode after episode. Allowing free cheap adorants to just board the station without any questioning. What would you say? You do here. These are all career limiting moves then. Yeah, I mean the other thing that Wurf is not guilty of that Odo is is that Odo is not a team player, like he's kind of recalcitrant and resists the moves that Starfleet makes to try and get him

to comply with their procedures and you, that's just not good politics. So. Boy, man, that's a great call because it makes me think that maybe that's why Quark continues to be unpunished for as many crimes. Like, he's a fun guy to be around. Odo is not. Yeah, there is a ton of tension between Odo and Cisco in this episode.

And Odo considers this to be racism. Yeah. It's another like in the last episode, Quarxing, I have lots of friends that are humans. Like the writers turning to camera a little bit. Yeah, the portrayal of racism in front of every Brooks's character is an ongoing thing, and it's fascinating to see happen.

For an actor that is like, I'm sure dealt with tons and tons of racism coming up through the ranks in Hollywood that must be a hard position for Avery Brooks to play to like put yourself in the shoes of the oppressor. I also don't believe he would accept this in the way that Kalamini said he wouldn't be in an episode with with the leprechaun. Right. But like that, this isn't about race like explain it away, thing that he says, I think is kind of the knee jerk defense of somebody who's doing a thing that has racist results for reasons that they do not think of as racist. Right. And that's a really interesting position to put this character in.

Like I think he believes it when he says it. Usually racism takes the form of ignoring the fact that it's a structure that is all around us, and that's why people that aren't like a vowed racists can do things that have racist results. This is an example of that. This scene cuts right to J.ys go eating a bowl of pudding. So like, you really, it really rubs it in your face. Kids love general brand pudding.

Real town shift here. I know you thought I was just spending the entire time virtue signaling at him, but I was really setting up a joke about J. Keating pudding. He is, he's almost brought to full release. Eating this pudding. He is, he's almost brought to full release eating this pudding. We get the sense that they have been gone

for a very long time because this is a food product that Jake has missed for the duration of their travels. I like that the show has used the break between season two and three as a time technology, as it has to encourage us into believing that they have been gone for that amount of time. It was gone long enough to miss food. It was gone long enough for Cisco to take some meetings

and pack up some of his effects and bring them back to the station. They were gone long enough to feel like they were homesick. Yeah, I feel like if I had a 2000 year old mask that was of unspeakable value, I might not take it back to the station that has a target painted on it right now. Personally. Yeah. Like, yeah, I might leave it at home for safekeeping.

I don't quite understand the logic of this, but like this scene is all about we are going to put away the Cisco that is somewhat unsure of his commitment to being stationed here. We are now a thousand percent in this station with Cisco, who's by the way has also been to the hairdresser and had some changes made. He's gone from like a three on the clipper to like maybe a one or a two on the clipper. Hey, it looks good. Yeah. Ben describing Ben Sisko's new domesticity at Deep Space 9.

Makes me think about how we as viewers might begin to feel that same way through him. It's the beginning of season three. This show is becoming confident and more permanent. And maybe this is a place that we're going to end up living in for six or seven seasons like TNG. I think, I don't think this is an accident that he's feeling this way at this moment in time

because I think we're supposed to feel the same way. We're supposed to, and I think we do supposed to feel the same way. We're supposed to and I think we do. I'm the show being renewed for a third season after 26 episodes of season two is, you know, this is the track that we have now. Yeah. And that's a pretty exciting place to be. He doesn't unpack for a long before having to repack

or just probably a small bag to board the defiant again because they got to go in this mission to the Gamma Quadrant and they are so they load up the ship with Cisco, O'Brien, Bashir, Kira, Dax, Quark, T-Rule, and after equivocating for a while, Odo at the last second. Yeah, Odo was like hanging out on the on the promenade and Kira came up and said like, Hey, the a pejorant government gave me a call and said they really want you on this defiant mission. He was like, bull fucking shit. He really called her on her bluff.

And so we really think that like he is going to be outy 5,000, but instead, I would like permission to come aboard. I'm here at the request of the bejure in government. I mean if you are a big fan of Robert McKee's story, who do you want him to bunk with Ben? The most hilarious oil to his water quirk. Do you need to give Odo quarters? I think you could find a janitor's closet for him. Right. What does it, what does even care? You could just find the air vent that Tom Cruise would be crawling around in if this was a mission impossible film is big enough to hold the bucket.

That's all you need for Odo, right? Could Odo turn himself into an aquarium with realistic fish inside? When the chewing gum got smashed onto him, would he explode as water with fish or would he explode as globb, like we saw in that mirror universe episode? He's not shape-shifting enough. Yeah, I mean we see him, we see him go to bucket mode, but that's just about it. Yeah, he gets super pissed at Quark because he needs a little privacy. He needs a modest screen for when he goes into the bucket because he gets really irritated that Quark wants to hang out with him. So Quark turns his back during the shift. And Quark is there because the Nagas talked to Cisco about needing a forangi voice in this diplomatic mission.

And the Negus was so forcefully behind this idea that he sent his own scepter with Cisco to provide a forceful argument for Quark who initially really resists being on this mission. Are we to believe that this is an authentic chapter? Yeah, couldn't you just replicate the sect? Kinda seemed like this was a con job to me, like in tone. And I'm only saying that because of Avery Brooks's portrayal here,

he's like, there is just a little bit of ham on his performance and I don't feel like it's totally because Benzisco is relishing the idea of twisting Quark's arm into this. I think there's something else going on. I thought it was pretty messed up though, he put the scepter between his legs and then extended it like a boner toward Quark and said, kiss my scepter. Yeah, his many pelvic thrusts in this scene. my scepter. Yeah, his many pelvic thrusts in this scene were a little out of character. Cork just closes his eyes and says, I'm happy to surf the negus and opens his mouth as wide as he can, cut to black. The compliment is full now. And so they journey through the

hole that is worm. They hit the cloak right away, Ben, I don't think we can be sure whether or not you can go through the wormhole under cloak, but I don't know why you wouldn't if you could. You have to assume that you can't because they say I want to turn that thing on the second we get through. That means like the light stem, there's like, we've had relatively few times on ships that are going to cloak before now. So it's fun to get a sense of like what you go through when you are under cloak. It's a little like rigging for silent running in a submarine film. Yeah, there's a lot of that

in this step and it's really fun. We get our first example of this when a couple of gem had our tics are out on patrol doing a fly by. And Cisco uses this as a chance to see if they can be picked up on their radar while under cloak. Yeah, we cut to gem had our Jonesy, who says he thinks he heard singing when they were flying by. I think my favorite part of this is, you know how there's like that white noise, ship noise that you get on federation ships? Yeah.

When they cut main power, I haven't noticed this before in Star Trek, but all of that goes away, and all the dialogue sounds like it's in a sound booth. Yeah. I really like that. That was cool. That was a very cool sound design. And there's like, there's plateaus of it, right? Like when they go to cloak, but they're still at warp, it's one sound environment, and when they cut main power and go to full stop, it's a totally different one.

It's all in the kind of sub-cognitive soundscape of it. Yeah. You're not like thinking about hearing it. You're just like aware that a thing has changed. I love how it, like you're saying, how it's not AB, but it's like many tracks being added and removed. That's compounding. That's great.

The first stop is this planet that the Ferengies have established a Tuluberi wine trade packed with. And I was really excited for this to be a reprisal of the muscle face. Me too. Kink aliens. The old kink lord guys. But it wasn't them. That's not who the Franky wound up making that deal with.

And they did make a deal with as a guy that is obsessed with metallurgy. He keeps like looking up close at different objects around the bridge of the defiant and assessing what materials he thinks it's made out of. Yeah, this guy's orinthar. And he is openly negotiating with Quark on the bridge. Kind of a strange place to be doing that bit of business.

My sense is that they probably had time to build a bridge and not much else for the defiant at this point. Yeah. But like, I have read that they wanted to have a starship on Deep Space 9 after really struggling as a production to do bridge scenes on runabouts where there's just not that much room. Yeah.

And this really lets them kind of move around and have fun So I think you know, this is a really cool bridge set and I imagine The temptation was just too great not to maximize the amount of time they had shooting with it this Negotiation between oranthar and quirk is ostensibly about tulabaries, but it's also about assessing out some details about the founders, because Orrenthar is a guy who would know. And Cisco and Quirk are kind of good-cut, bad-capping him, where they kind of twist his arm.

And so he puts it up on screen, the Kalanon system. And we get on the main viewer on the Defiant Bridge, a look at the star systems surrounding them. And one thing on that screen really catches Odo's eye. What is that? It is the Omarian Nebula. And it is hypnotizing like Vigo's painting and Ghostbusters too. Like he is totally entranced.

Like everyone else is going on and on about the Kalanon system and it's deep well of pink lotion you put on chicken pox. But Odo is. Hey, you can also use it for a poison oak. Right. But Odo's got only one thing on his mind and it for a poison oak. Right. But Odo is got only one thing on his mind,

and it's that nebula. Yeah. Odo is kind of the data of Deep Space Nine in that he is very powerful and destructive, if he wants to be. And I would sort of be on alert anytime I was around him for any change in behavior, like what we're seeing, that could potentially make him dangerous and possibly able to steal a ship.

He does sort of stuff. To go on his own private mission. Data is being influenced by an unknown third party vibes when he sees that nebula. Yeah. And I guess they just haven't been that many Odo is an evil bad guy episodes aside from that one, right? Yeah. The defiant pulls up to this relay station at Calanon and it's O'Brien and Dax that beam over.

And there's a nifty bit of production choice happening here Ben that I'm curious about whether or not you got, which was like the establishing scenes of them doing tech to this stuff are very smooth and controlled, like to establish their control of the moment, but the shots that follow when they do a little bit of shot reverse shot as they're communicating with Cisco. The shots that follow are obscured by things and also go handheld, which really serve to jack up the tension of what's to come. Yeah, because that handheld feels like POV, it doesn't feel like, it doesn't feel like the fly on the wall, we're just watching something that's happening.

We are in somebody's head who is watching something that's happening. And it, it's we are, we are in somebody's head who is watching something that's happening. And it really amps up the unease. And to their credit, like the way their performances are, they're reacting to the fact that like it's quiet, too quiet, and maybe we should get out of here, but they don't, they haven't perceived a threat around them aside from that. And they're not playing the like, you know, they're not pegging the needle with the music or anything.

They're just letting that tension build kind of naturally. And- Isn't it interesting how like the absence of a threat when a threat is expected is a threat in and of itself? Yeah. That's fun. It's fun. And it's also like when you beam down to a set,

it's not always that it looks this cool. Like it's also like when you beam down to a set, it's not always that it looks this cool. Like it's really like layered space. There's lots of interesting objects in it. You kind of get the sense that everything you're seeing has a purpose that it was designed for it. Like early TNG, you beam down to like a science lab or something. And it's just like full of beeps and boops and goo guys that miscellaneous science shit. And that's not how this feels. And importantly, those sets are shot wide. And they don't do that here. And I think that's crucial. Like it's it's claustrophobic and good. Like if all if all the money you have is

do you fill up this amount of set space with your best stuff? This is what they did and they shot it great. Yeah. It feels a little bit like beaming over to a board cube. Tonally, it feels that way too. Like when they first beam over with the borgs are asleep and no one's regarding them as a threat, it feels very much like that in the scene too. Yeah. And then when when they get got the camera kind of like walks around to behind them and then like a sheet of metal like slides in front of them, cutting them off from the rest of the space.

Yeah. Hand goes on, daxes back. Oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh It's really a really scary moment and then it's cut to the bridge of the defiant and we don't hear from them again The reason we don't cut back to them is because the ticks have found the defiant They have found them even though they're cloaked. They have this Decision to make right like do we decloak and engage these guys and try and save our Our friends O'Brien and DAX in order to use the phasers. We will have to decloak. That means we'll be seen by the Jim Hadar. Or do we, uh, try and sneak out of here? We can't just leave in that.

It's Cisco's, do we seal the bilge bay moment? Right. He's a commander. He's passed the same test that Deanna Troy did. Yeah. He said Jordi do his death dozens of times. Just for fun. Yeah.

Let's say, when he goes down to Quark's bar, that's the holiday program he loves to fire up. Kill Jordy. Bullshit, man. It's just bullshit. This really horrifies Bashir, but it is exactly what the Romulan lady wants. And so they start to make arrangements to leave and they

call Odo up to the bridge and Odo is like, sorry, I'm in too bad of a mood, not coming up. I read something on Twitter that really made me upset. Somebody said I had a face for radio and it really hurt my feelings. To the best we can tell, he's just looking at the star chart that has the Omery and Nebula on it. Like, that's all he's doing. Yeah, he's just in his the star chart that has the Yomere and Nebula on it. Like, that's all he's doing. Yeah, he's just in his room jacking it to that star chart. And Kira walks in on him and he's like,

oh, oh, oh, oh. Do you think Odo makes his dick as big as possible when he jacks it? Or do you think he's all about very similar to, and like, give himself an average size crank. I mean, Odo could make 20 dicks and arms to jack him. Like, he could do anything. Like nothing is too exotic for him.

Yeah. His onanism time must be a real baroque affair. Guys, like, I feel like I tell a dick joke and then you tell the college term paper version of that dick joke. Thanks Ben. Thanks for telling the most purely distilled version of that. Like there's nowhere for me to go. Your yes and is like yes and in 20 different languages, like single space and perfectly printed out. Yeah, I'm not using an exotic font that makes my paper look longer than it is. lungs in the Louvre. They have a real hard to heart, right?

Kira comes in and he's like, I don't know what to even think about this, but ever since I saw that thing, it's all I want to think about and I'm obsessed with going there. I love the way that Kira describes friendship. It's transactional. I'm your friend. You know, the one who comes to you when she needs help. But in saying that it's transactional, it's not without emotion.

She's like, It's not cynically transactional. In a very efficient amount of dialogue, she's able to draw them out. And she also draws out a girder that falls on her by the second later. like this scene isn't concluded before the banger start dropping. Right, they kind of get cut off.

And so they can smell through the cloak. Yeah, because they're cloaked when we cut back up to the bridge and... Cloaked and also main power deactivate. Right. That vocal sound effect has changed too. Yeah, and they're already pretty banged up by the time they come out of cloak, but it's also a really uneven fight. And this is a really fun action sequence

where we get to see what the defiant is made of because it is getting bangers dropped on it left and right and it stays in the fight. And when it turns and starts licking shots in the atmosphere, it takes a gem had our ship out pretty quickly like they're at least a weapons match if not defensively matched with the with the gem had our the stakes are high because we're told right away people are dying. And the way that the defiant opens up on these ticks, it's like Jesse Ventura's gun from the predator.

Like, it is a rate of fire on these torpedoes we've never seen before and it is awesome. Yeah, it's really fun. It's so much more visceral of space combat than we've typically gotten in Star Trek. We see the D rotating slowly in space to take phaser shots at a Romulan warbird from time to time. It's never like active and physical,

but there is fire and smoke on the bridge of the defiant from jump and it is intense. Yeah, if there were an equivalent amount of damage to the D, the D would not be in the fight. Right. You know, we're cutting back and forth from the bridge to space to the lower decks where Odo is helping Kira get out from under that that girder and the Geminiar board the ship. They beam right through the shields and there's like a melee

of Star Trek fighting. We got Odo and Kira fighting Geminiar. We cut back up to the bridge, a bunch more Geminiar, Bimon, Cisco, the Romulan lady, but she heard like everybody is Star Trek fighting. Everyone gets an axe handle. There's an axe handle for everyone. Those axe handles were fast as lightning. And I gotta say it was a little bit frightening. It has got to hurt so bad to punch a gem hadar in the face.

It's all bone. I got toothy faces. Oh, and you never see anyone do that punch and then shake their hand afterwards. I think that would be welcome here. Yeah, like shouldn't Starfleet be issuing knuckle dusters to everybody that's stationed on a ship that may be operating within wormhole proximity? Also seems like a fight that is not good for dustbusters because I think you want a butt of a

rifle-sized weapon. Yeah, and the gem at our are really down to use a rifle, but... Yeah. One of them gets out a hand phaser and hits Kira, and she goes down, and it's heavily implied that she dead. But we fade back up from black, and she not dead. Yeah, we get a... What feels like a fairly rare passage of time fade to black and fade up.

Yeah, but when it does fade back up, she's on a shuttle and she's been kind of resisting this idea. Odo has been pushing for shuttle hangs so that he can go check out this nib and she's been like, no dude, this is like that's not what we're doing right now. And so she's kind of, she's kind of angry when she wakes up and finds out that that's what they're doing. Yeah, I mean there's two things at work, right? There's what she thought was a resolution to the Odo needing a shuttle and wanting to go

explore the nebula issue, but there's also the disorientation of waking up in a car or something that I think we have experienced at one time or another in our life. Like famously, a couple of my good friends woke up on an airplane going to Vegas after a bender of a particular note. Like really? Yeah, this is, it's not my story to tell,

but some very good friends of mine at the height of our drinking and gambling debauchery. Are you gonna, are you gonna Jackie and Laurie me their names or am I just gonna have to speculate on which of your friends? You've never, you've never met them unfortunately. Okay. Yeah, they are, the way the story was told to me

was they woke up on the plane having had no idea how they got there and to sort of piecing it together in a hangover refractory state like on descent into Las Vegas airport They proceeded to spend what I think was 24 hours there like drinking themselves back into blackout drunk, to the degree that when they got back to the airport for the return flight home, one of them didn't have a shoe.

And the TSA agent told them that they couldn't go through TSA unless they had two shoes that they could take off to go through security and then to put back on again afterwards. That's such a stupid rule. That is so emblematic of the security theater of T.S. So they had to go by fucking Las Vegas slipflops or something. One of them did anyway in order to have two shoes to take off a security to go back through. It was a shit show of a 24 hour period and one of the most legendary Vega stories that I've ever heard. Yeah, wow. To hear it told, when you come back up here, I'll try to arrange some

hangs with these guys because that's story. That story is way better told than how I just did and it is a fucking homedinger. Awesome. Well, we spend the rest of the episode with Kira and Odo, right? Yeah, they are in the runabout and they are headed to the Umarian Nebula, which has an M-class planet inside, Ben. And it's not a planet that's in orbit of anything. It's described as a rogue planet. And I love the idea of this.

It's very dark for that reason. Yeah. I mean, despite describing it as a rogue planet, when we see a shot of it in space, there's obviously a star nearby in a sunlight proximity. But maybe it's just going by that or something, I don't know. You'd never be able to have an M-class planet if it didn't have some sort of heat source nearby. That's what I was thinking.

What's the deal here? Maybe it's a rogue planet with a rogue star. What else are you going to do but beam down to this planet? I mean, Oda was being drawn by something he knows not what. And he tells Kira in the shuttle that like the last time we saw the defiant it was a drift in space Sort of like a hey, there's not anything to go back home to yeah your friends are dead So there's no urgency to get back and I think that's crucial in Kira's allowing this little side trip to happen right because like they have they've had such a such a close relationship in the past, and she really did try and do him a solid

by arranging to get him on this ship and stuff. Like she's really trying to help him. She knows how much distress he's in. But then he turns around and like, Captain Potter's her going like, I wanna go to the nebula. No, no, no, no. And she feels very hijacked into this.

Like, she is, has mad at him for doing it, but there's a tone shift, man. Like, when they come through the woods and find a lake that looks like Odo in his bucket and Odo, Odo types start coming out of this lake, she takes a step back and one of these Odo types walks up and welcomes Odo home. They found Planet Bucket.

It's gotta be so awkward for Kira to be, like could you imagine how she's feeling? We never see her in this two shot, which I think is fine. Like that's the correct choice because it's not about her. It's about like this crucial moment in Odo's backstory. Yeah, it's fine, like that's the correct choice because it's not about her. It's about like this Crucial moment in Odo's backstory. Yeah, it's not even too shout. It's like dirty singles. Yeah but like Kira has got to be

So awkward Right cuz like the deal with Odo which has been reestablished being in bucket mode is embarrassing nudity to him And yeah, these guys just all took their dicks out. We're Mr. Tidellies. Tidellies are fun. It's like a lake full of dicks. Imagine the smell. I keep thinking I had the title to this episode. Now I'm not so sure.

It's not going to be lake full of dicks. Why not? That's like a perfect greatest chin title. Oh, no. Ha, ha, ha, ha. Baroque Jacksass or whatever that shit I said before it was also, but. I think we have a number of candidates. Yeah, we'll see.

We'll see how it shakes out. Did you like the episode, Ben? I did. I liked this one a lot more than I liked the previous episode that set it up. It feels like the first of a two-parter, you know? And it makes me understand the naming convention a little bit better. Like I know why they've recapped the last episode, but this felt self-contained enough that I don't think we totally needed it.

And this has been something we've been wondering about Odo up until now, like the mystery of what he is and where he came from is an established character thing, and it's not always a great choice for a TV show to answer a question like that, but this is a fun way to answer it. What they've done is instead of make Odo's origin story a sidecar to everything else, which is what it has been up until now, they're tying that to the main conflict in Deep Space 9. Yeah.

Like, this is now related to everything else that's going on And so it's not gonna feel like a side mission anymore right when he explores this stuff Did you like the episode Adam? Yeah, I did. I mean, it's it felt like a war movie to me in in a way that I liked I think the the stakes were high people are dying. I like it anytime the federation feels out-gunned. I think that is a great place to tell a story. And we've now felt that way for a couple of episodes. That's good to me. Yeah, you know what's good to me, Adam?

What's that? Folks that go to MaximumFund.org, such Gembo, trying to arrange to have priority one messages read out loud on the show. Should we check to see if anybody has done that for this episode? Yeah, let's do that. Priority one message from Starfleet coming in on Secured Channel. You need a supplement on that.

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Eternal blue forever green sounders till I die, hey, you're paleia. Is duck rolling a thing that, I mean is that like a thing that's just between Lea and Micah do people duck roll each other? this is my first time participating in the lifestyle yeah yeah so typically when I see something like this for the first time I just like to hang back work on a snack size bag of chips just kind of feel out the territory yeah you because you don't want to look like an idiot the first time you get your duck wet. Ben, do we have another priority one message?

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As soon as he gets triggered, he becomes the thing that changes the stakes of the game. But I mean, as soon as he's taken over, as soon as he's gotten the vapors about the snabbula, anything can happen. Everything's on the table. So I think for that reason, Odo is gonna be my pick here. What about you? Odo is my pick as well, Adam.

And it's kind of a fun like callback TNG trope, which is the character that something has changed for them, but they don't really tell everybody about it. They don't hit the alarm button as hard as they should. Yeah. He's just like, I need to get on a shuttlecraft and he's not like, hey, there's something like really serious happening inside of me.

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The next episode is season three episode two, the search part two. Odo and Kira have landed on a lone planet in the Amerian Nebula, which they have discovered is Odo's homeworld. That's of course the Netflix description, which could just be the description of the last scene in this episode. We just watched. Yeah. The Amazon description is, well, Oto Struggles to learn the ways of his people. Cisco discovers that the price of peace with the Dominion may be too high. Yeah, I mean, I guess they may be talking about Dax and O'Brien as those stakes. Yeah, I mean, I don't know. Maybe Quark can help them negotiate a more bargain-friendly

rate, I don't know. I mean, this is the, I think, the second time in four episodes that O'Brien's been kidnapped by an adversary, so. How great luck for him. Yeah, O'Brien's having a rough span of months well looking forward to that do you want to roll them bones at him and see what we do with this episode you're required to learn as you play roll we've

got a especially high stakes this time around because three of the six squares in front of us lead to Quark's bar and two of them lead to Quark's bar that are back in time on the board. I played a bunch of crafts in Vegas when we were down there and so I'm feeling deeply unlucky as I as I roll this dice. Oh no. And I've rolled it to... Shula! Did I win? Harvey. Which narrowly hops us over...

Wow. The longest wormhole we have on the board... Yeah. ...into square number 88. That is a... That's breathtaking at him, because we almost reset the clock quite a bit. I think that could have been fun. I mean, there's, I don't know what happens when we reach the end of this board and we do

more in hammered. Yeah, that can be. Does the game cease? I don't think we're ready to answer that question. Like, here's a question. Like if we're on like 90, if we're on 97 and we roll a five, does it just loop around or do we have to land on Mornhammer at the end? And what happens when we complete square 100? We don't have answers to any of these questions. Yeah, do it does the board game change? Does it just start over? Who knows?

The the board unfolds a completely new board after After that, I think that'd be fun. It goes to three-dimensional. Surprise board. Three-dimensional game of buttholes. Yeah, I mean, I love the title. You sold me. Felipe would have too much work on his hands designing it. I think we got a great website. We got to lean into that.

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