The Greatest Generation - Spare the Battle, Spoil the Child (Voyager S5E11)

Episode Date: February 6, 2023

When Doc Holoday realizes he’s missing some memories, an investigation leads to a conspiracy theory that isolates him from the crew. But when Captain Janeway reconsiders and allows a footage review, her suffering—not a factory reset—turns out to be the cure for his spiral. Who hid Greatest Gen’s light under a bushel? Is Bob Dylan still alive in the 24th century? Which turds are no big deal? It’s the episode with blood on the carpet!Support the production of The Greatest Generation.Friends of DeSoto for Democracy.Friends of DeSoto for Justice. Follow The Game of Buttholes: The Will of the Caretaker!Music by Adam Ragusea & Dark MateriaFollow The Greatest Generation on Twitter, and discuss the show using the hashtag #GreatestGen!The Greatest Generation is on Twitch.Facebook group | Subreddit | Discord | WikiSign up for our mailing list!

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Just a little bit embarrassed about having a Star Trek podcast I'm the adabratica. I'm Ben Harrison Adam. How are you doing today? I'm great. Really? Having a great day. I'm upset. I'm quite cross today. Because of my specific mental makeup, I'm going to guess that that's because of something I did. I'm just going to assume.

Not because of something you did. Some friends of ours did something that has made me angry. And I think that we need to do something about it. I want to see what you think that thing should be. Look, if there's an opportunity to get upset at a friend, I'm going to fucking take it and it take that opportunity. Fucking right. We are on the maximum fun network of podcasts.

One of the other shows on that network, Jordan Jesse go. I'm familiar. Jordan and Jesse, I thought we're really nice guys. I didn't really have an opinion either way. They recently had on Kurt Brownalder, who is one of my all-time favorite stand-ups. I really, really love Kurt Brownal or stuff. I go to his and Christian Schaul's regular show in LA hot tub pretty frequently. Oh. Try to stay abreast.

Where is that? They've just started doing it again. They moved venues so that they could do it outside, I think. Oh, that's good. Maybe also so that they could do it not place that they used to do it. I don't know. Oh, you're talking about the Virgil.

Yeah. But they had Kurt Brown all are on their show recently. So that's one part of the setup. Other part of the setup is that Jordan and Jesse have been running this contest. This is a couple weeks ago that this all happened. But they've been running contest or just soliciting listeners to do things where they record lyrics to the song Powerhouse, which will be instantly recognizable as the song that plays in Looney Tunes cartoons when they go to a factory. That's right. Whenever Porkey Pig goes to a factory, She's a power house. Make a power.

Make a power house. That's a song. That's not the song. Okay. So with that set up, check about, check about, check about, wow. Several different listeners over several weeks sent in submissions of what the lyrics to that song could be.

Have on one of my favorite stand-ups of all time, Kurt Brown all around their show, and this happens. I'm going to play you a clip. Okay. Hi Jordan, Jesse, and Legendary Star of Night Court and Star Trek, the next generation Brent Spiner. This is Jim from Gloucester City, New Jersey, and here are the lyrics to Powerhouse. Scrawl and Zippers. The Grandest and Therese said it. Well, that's a lot of hope to let it. Music's good but lyrics forget it They'll probably make you sick Jesse said put hearts and things, paper and cigarette hearts making better

George's best bet, let's watch it, let's watch it, let's watch it, let's watch it We're still making music, there's some more risk to make it's got like Big Big Foot Park kids alike and walk their face like the Chip Bandai Before a food store's real Hey I think I've got subject best parts greatest, Jenny Great Track pride There is TV topics, why is it funny? And I'm in the big dick part jokes based on Star Trek for the smart folks puns and play their show And I'm so sorry.

Stop it, stop. Now it's just about fucking Ben Harrison and Adam Pranick of What the fuck? They were on a CTV. They were not on a CTV. They do a Star Trek podcast in our network. Why the fuck did it turn into a Star Trek thing? This whole fucking, that was a fucking penguin in the pants. That was a classic penguin in the pants. That was a, that made my cheeks

feel hot. You guys know Soulcoffing did one. Oh, they did a powerhouse. With that powerhouse? Really? Yeah. Oh cool. I bet it's good. It is good. So, instead of letting the song play, instead of letting somebody that likes Jordan Jesse go and us get a song on their show, Jim from New Jersey talking about how much

he enjoys our shows, talking about what the premise of our show is. Friend of the Soto gym. Yeah. Maybe get some new friends of the Soto by talking kindly about a show on the network. I mean, maybe we could have, but they cut us off. That was our time to shine. We were going to shine in front of Kurt Brown all our Adam. Yeah, we didn't.

Hey, guess you put a bushel on top of our light. Jesse Thorn with a fucking penguin in the back of his pants. That's why I would put a penguin. If I were going to put a penguin in his pants, the back. Give me a fucking break, Jesse Thorn. What are you doing? Why are you so stingy with airtime that you can't allow a song about how good our show is to play on your fucking show. Jordan's great. Jordan's cheeks were read from laughter and joy and affection. You could have assumed he had two penguins in his cheeks. Yeah, warming them right up.

Yeah. I just, I, my blood boils because this was our big opportunity and it was squandered, it was taken away from us by a man who many say has too much power. I mean, I don't think anyone would ever assume that Jesse's goal for shows on the network was growth. So this behavior is fairly consistent with, I think what anyone would expect from him when faced with an opportunity to grow a show like ours. Yeah. I mean, it's zero sum growth when it's just listeners from their show going over to

our show though, right? Sure. Like from a network perspective, who gives a shit? But from an our show though, right? Sure. Like from a network perspective who gives a shit, but from an our show perspective, come on. To count a Kurt Branneler as a friend of DeSoda would have been nice. How would have been a thrill? But no, he smashed our fucking nuts with that possibility.

That was a fucking penguin in the pants. Yeah, Kurt Branneler recently did a new special a new stand-up special? What's it called? I don't know, maybe you should stop talking about it. Like maybe I should step on the possibility of getting the word out, Ben, because that's what we do on Max Fun Show's,

suffocate the marketing. Perfectly stupid was the name of the stand-up special. I watched it with my wife before it was available for free on YouTube, which it is now before it was available for free on YouTube, which it is now. It's now available for free on YouTube. You know what? He's never gonna love you, Ben. I'm just saying. Where are you doing this? Kurt didn't do anything wrong. It's Jesse that did something wrong. I'm saying it would be cool to be friends with. Kurt got his shout out at the end of Jordan Jesse go. He got it. He got it already. I'm just saying I liked this special. I wish Kurt Brownler had become a friend of

DeSoto. I feel like he was on the verge that song was this close to selling him on it. And instead he's fucking making a soulcoffing anecdote. Yeah. Who cares? Yeah. Anytime Jordan wants to come on greatest generation, he's more than welcome. Yeah. But Jesse, you're banned. Hey, 206, 984, 4 fun is how you give the network feedback on that particular bit. You know what? If you set your criticism to a musical situation from Aluni tunes cartoon, all the better. Yeah, that's almost guaranteed to get on the show. Yeah, I think I feel like marshalling

our friends of DeSoto into this brand new conflict. Yeah, yeah, we, this intranet work conflict that we didn't start by the way. Yeah. We didn't start this fire. This is the first time we've been in a rap beef and we weren't the ones starting it and also the only ones

that were aware of it. Yeah, yeah, it's the opposite of that this time around. Yeah, yeah. Huh. So, you know, I don't know. I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm hurt. I, I counted Jesse as a friend, as a confidant. America's radio sweetheart, my ass. Just so fucking pissed off. Anyways, I wish I could forget this ad. I wish like my memory of this huge insult could be somehow systematically erased from my mind. I've got an idea for that. Yeah.

It's from today's episode of Star Trek Voyager, Ben. Wow. Let's say we get into it. Yeah, let's do it. It's season five episode episode of Star Trek Voyager, Ben. Wow. What do you say we get into it? Yeah, let's do it. It's season five episode 11, latent image. Reaver, course. Unless you've got something a little bigger in your torpedo toots, I'm not journeying around. It's picture day on Voyager.

Or hollow image or day as it is in 6 Bay. Because these pictures go deep that the doctor's taking yeah real deep They're seeing everything. It's a holistic image isn't it? They know what side you dress if you're an ensign Kim Yeah, Naomi Wildman is totally justified to be concerned about what this picture is gonna have right yeah concerned about what this picture is going to have, right? Yeah. You know, if they put a lead apron on you to take an X-ray, whatever this hollow image you're doing has got to be way more harmful to human flesh, right?

If you could only hear yourselves. I think so. I mean, the technology is an interesting idea, right? You want to go in for your regular hollow physical so that you have a baseline to compare subsequent physicals to you, right? You want to go in for your regular hollow physical so that you have a baseline to compare subsequent physicals to you, right? So you can tell when things are getting now to shape. Yeah, that's what they are doing now. Like everybody's annual check up, you get a picture. And when they go to look at Harry's, it is, I mean, like, it gets down to the blood, right?

Like, it's skeleton, it's blood system. It's in your blood! They show this, like, thing, build out his body, cranking all. And the dude is hung. Had some fellow parents must be very proud. It'll only take a second to download your images into the medical database. Why not? Yeah, he's hanging clarinet for sure.

Did Harry get a new haircut in between last episode and this one? Or am I just noticing his great new haircut? This is an episode of a couple of new haircuts, I think. Yeah. Harry Kim's being one of them. He looks great. Yeah, so they got Kim's hollaganger up there just standing at attention.

And what's unusual about this guy is there's some scar tissue on the back of his skull. And there's something like oddly familiar about this. Like the docs looking at it. And what's in Retrospect is the take that Harry Kim has Because Kim's not saying much. Yeah, but hollow Kim isn't saying anything and the doctors You know like looking at the base of his skull and you see in this this repair job there and it's you know how a Welder takes great pride in like the shape of the weld, right? Yeah, yeah. Real craftsman knows the quality of that work.

And I feel like when the doctor looks at the base of the skull, he sees his own welding back there. Yeah. It could only be his. I rewatched this scene after the episode and you're right to point out that Garrett Long is doing something great here because it is like nervous guy playing along. Yeah. Not guy who has a strangely low number of questions about the surgery scar on the back of his head.

Yeah. I love how Kim does not deny anything here either. Like the friend and the group who knows they're a bad liar and just chooses not to say anything instead of going along with a bit they wouldn't involve lying or improvising anything. Right. He just shuts the fuck up.

It's also like definitely the doctor because he's the only person that knows how to do this particular surgery apparently. Yeah. So another kind of strange cold open. Yeah. To an arrow of strange cold opens. This is the cut to theme.

And when we come back, the doctor is paying a visit to the captain doing her physical inter-office because that's captain's prerogative. This doctor makes house calls. Pretty nice, right? Yeah. That's good, I love it. The doc's got one of those knee banger things in his hand. That's a big part of this.

I like that the like 1950s-ass knee banger is not updated hundreds of years in the future. No. No, man. The guy who invented that must be rich. They don't need a new one of those. I mean, I recently started going to the pediatrician on a regular basis with Daron, and I am happy to inform you that the knee banger is still exactly that.

It's that weird, orangish, brown rubber in the chrome handle. So do you leave Daron out in the lobby when you see your pediatrician? Or how does that work? Yeah. Daron reads a golf magazine and waits for me. He's very precocious. Now Benjamin, you are a growing boy. You're going to begin to see some changes soon. Oh, I don't want to get a shot. Is there going to be some changes soon. Oh, I don't wanna get a shot. Is there gonna be a shot this time?

I don't wanna get a shot. Man, how many years in a row was it check-up shot over every visit to the doctor? And why didn't our parents ever know? Like, I never knew if a doctor's appointment would have a shot. Always a surprise. I have been thinking a lot about this because I thought I knew for sure what the schedule was

and we took him to his three months checkup after his, I guess, two months checkup was when they gave him the first battery of vaccines and we went to the three months like, all right. Next battery of vaccines. Here we are and the doctor was like, no, no, no, that's not this one. And I was like, oh, I thought that was this one. I was like, girding myself emotionally for the baby crying. I told Daron.

So you're saying that's why we were never told this children because our parents never actually knew? Yeah, we just don't know. You can think you know, but you might be wrong. Maybe that's why Janeway keeps avoiding these doctors' visits. It's weird how I'm suddenly way more forgiving of the fallibility of my own parents. I'm wondering when I'll ever turn that is like recognizing the fallibility of my parents

and to keep going straight is never recognizing that at all. My car is staying on the road. No, it's not. No, it wasn't even tempted. No, I'm in the left lane. 10 miles over the posted limit is safe. Oh, yeah. So this is where the doctor let's slip that he's got a bit of a mystery on his hands based on this whole hollow imager thing that he's been doing. Apparently 18 months ago, somebody did surgery on Harry Kim, but the doctor didn't do it, and it's just a mystery.

Who can explain this? Look at this, Hollywood image. Every time I do it makes me cringe. How do Kim's skull get so bad? No receipts must have paid in cash! Wow, he didn't even turn it into insurance for coverage. That's fucked up. That must have cost him a mint.

He's got it like that. You're telling me that Ensign Kim is super paid? Yeah. He can pay cash for high complexity medical procedures. Holy shit. We need to look into that. I want to live in the future now. This scene with Janeway ends without a resolution,

because back in the Aslab, the doc hits up seven for some help solving the mystery of Kim's surgery. And why is the reverse psychology in this scene so dramatic? It is 15 out of 10 dramatic here. In a way, I didn't really understand at the time. Why was he doing it like this? The captains acting like she's allergic to me and now my prized pupil won't even give me the time of day.

Stayed your request. Yeah, I don't know. I mean, this is an episode that is an opportunity for Robert Picardos to get real, real big. Oh, yeah. And I wonder if you have that opportunity. You just want to take it. Once you get the opportunity to get big, you want to stay big, huh? For as long as possible, you want to prolong how big you are. Yeah. But if you're big for more than four hours, you should consult a physician. I don't know.

Maybe you keep the party going. It's what my theory presupposes. So seven is going to look into this data and she comes down to the six bail. Do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do talking about what's missing. She's like the stuff you asked me to look into. You don't recall speaking to me in the S-Lab one hour ago. No. There's something about the episode where Doc holiday, remember when he turns evil and he does all those procedures on the holodeck people? Yeah.

And his pupils get all crazy. I Can't get that out of my head and this is one of the scenes that made me remember that because when the doctor appears there's like this quizzical expression that feels like things felt performative when they weren't supposed to be. Right. Right. And it made me believe that the doctor was the suspect for a long time. There is an interesting thing about the proximity of this episode to the last episode, where it was the Nazi coded characters, like forcing Janeway to lie through her teeth over and over again. And now, like, it sort of feels like maybe the doctor

is doing the same thing, you know, but we're on the other side of it. We don't know the secret. And yeah, like I definitely picked up on that. Like there is some like sinister cast to how the doctor is being presented early in this episode. It's one of those deals where if the central figure in this episode were another character, it wouldn't feel the same.

That it's the doctor makes these specific feelings happen. Dr. is in the middle of kind of condescending to seven. Like obviously you're you got confused and you don't know what you're talking about. I would know if I did surgery on Ensign Kim and I would know if I'd asked you yesterday. Here, I'll prove it to you. And he like whips out all the computer files and there's just like blinking empty folders on the screen. That file has been deleted.

And he's like, uh, okay. That file has been deleted. Okay. Taking a step back from my super condescending attitude that I was just taking a second ago, does seem like maybe somebody is deleting ship from me. Creepy feeling. Yeah. So they're going to do a little bit of detective work to figure this out. If the surgery happened 18 months ago, then the doctor will surely have photographic records of it, because the doctor, back then, he was a bit of a shutter bug. Yeah, sure was. I mean, maybe there's a picture of Tom Perris covered in crud.

How could I forget? You falling into some crud or something? Still on the memory card there. That'd be really exciting. You know? That's a keeper. So this is everybody that's ever worked in productions nightmare, right?

You go to the memory card, you load it into the computer, file corrupted. Yeah. What are you gonna tell the client when you have to talk to them next? File corrupted, are you kidding? The memory card people want you to believe there's a way to save it. Like there's a phone number and there's contact information. Maybe there's a way, in my experience, there's

never a way. It's gone. There's like software that you can download off the internet that's like a hundred dollars and you can't use a demo of it to see if it might work. But at the time a hundred dollars seems worth it compared to the idea of of scheduling a makeup shoot. Yeah, the doctor is very fortunate that he has seven of nine there because seven of nine can do wonders that hundred dollars software cannot. Yeah, and that is pull kind of grainy beat up versions of these images off of the memory card. Ben, you lost a day's worth of interviews. Would you settle for five grainy photographs?

Ha, ha, ha, ha. I take that deal every time. Yeah. You just can't burn that shit, Ben. That's what you do. I told you about the time that I shot an interview where we lost the angle on the subject and we only had the angle on the interviewer.

And our solution was to hire an animator to spend like a week animating the edit of the interview as a cartoon for no justifiable reason other than that was like a thing we needed to release. Anyone would rather have made a cartoon version of an interview than to call an interview subject back to tell them the bad news and to ask, plead even for another opportunity to interview them. I wish I was that smart Adam. I did not think of the cartoon thing until after I'd had the super humiliating,

I lost the data conversation. God, that's rough. Yeah, it sucked. I don't know any video production professional who doesn't know that kind of pain. Yeah, bad, bad stuff. So one thing that keeps happening as they go through these images is that there is a young woman in a lot of them who neither seven nor the doctor recognize.

No, and as we kind of flip through these images, it's kind of a story. Yeah. It's a story told him five pictures. The first one, birthday party for this mystery Ensign. The next one is in a shuttle. It's, uh, Ensign Kim and this Ensign and the doctors there. The third and the fourth one in the, in the shuttle to you. And the fifth one, who is that angry alien on the shuttle with them? What's that three pronged gun he's carrying? What's that about? Yeah. What would he have carried if there had been two

or four people on the shuttle? Yeah. Yeah. Troubling. Anyways, this is really staggering to scuffery. So Seven is gonna try her memory recovery techniques now on the doctor himself having had great success with the hollow imager. And so they go to the ass lab and she starts doing this and we get some real great like indie Fox search light camera techniques of zooming in on

the doctor's eye as he experiences these memories that are out of order and being loaded back into his head. Unfortunately, it's the three-barreled phaser rifle that makes the biggest impact for me. There's a story to be told here, but I can't take my eyes off of those three barrels. Yeah. Do you remember that squirt gun that was on the market when we were kids that shot like, I think there was like one where that it shot around corners. It's the best gun in the video game Contra, the spread gun.

Yeah, the spread gun. This thing rules. You can really take out a lot of bad guys with that. Yeah. I love the spread gun. I love that more than the laser. But spread laser. Yeah.

That really kicked ass. You wouldn't want the spread gun effect to happen when you're playing water fight though, because this gets real bloody. This poor Ensign, there's like red mist in front of her face when this thing hits her. There's like blood all over his hands and there's like frantic surgery scenes.

Yeah. When they come out of this, the doctor is shaken, shaken to his very core. The scariest part about this, to me at this moment, is like, if all of this is real, why is the doctor the only one remembering them? Yeah. That's scary stuff. Yeah. It seems like everybody on board should be

absolutely shook. This is the thrust of the McLaughlin group after, right? If you want. Perhaps these images have been manipulated. No, they're real. Yeah. Seven in the doctor are presenting this. And they're like, obviously, this is super serious and we need to like look into this. So we should definitely take the doctor's program offline, you know, to make him safe. Well, we look into this. Yeah. And I don't like that feeling. Yeah. Yeah. Cause it's like, he makes the case that we're in immediate danger because somebody's actively deleting him. Like, right. If somebody on board is in league with triple barrel gun guy, like, of course, they would be deleting his memories of this to conceal how much danger they're in. How many people could have the authorization or the know-how to do this

to the doctor though? That was my question. Like, isn't this an extremely short list of people who have this kind of access? We can narrow down the suspects really quickly. But no one does that. Instead, Janeways like, Will, shuts you down for safekeeping. That way, no one can hurt you. Captain, it's for your own safety, doctor. It's kind of like a safe house, right? Like shutting off the doctor.

Yeah. Yeah. Keep them safe. Yeah. Maybe. There's a lot of like uneasy looks being exchanged between two rock and the captain in this moment. And then like, it's like some real like eyebrows getting raised when he walks out the room. Like, got to deal with that.

Ooh, yeah. I mean, if you don't know what a knowing glance is, you get those in this scene at the end. This is a crash course. Yeah. Of course, it's long term. Do it. This one to me, very careful, because I'm on my mind to see this once. Do it. In 6 May, the doctor has a great idea for what to do about these unsettling feelings that he has.

And maybe the idea that he can't trust the people he should trust the most. Because everyone's a suspect to him. He asked the computer to duplicate the memories of the last 48 hours because it doesn't want the erasure to happen again. And then he sets up a security camera using his hollow imager, set to motion capture like a ring camera or something.

And then he turns himself off. Well, then he records his voice into his talk boy, but then he plays it back slow, so he sounds like a grownup. Ready for you, God. Yeah. Ha, ha, ha, ha. Ha, ha, ha.

He hangs a bunch of paint cans from lengths of string outside the door to the six-bay. And then he pours some water on the carpet and makes it real cold. Scares the pizza guy away with a violent movie being played at high volume. He'd been changed, you know, filthy animal. Yeah. Great idea about the duck. Yeah. Good stuff. He does not go to very great pains to hide the camera.

So whoever the perpetrator is that comes into the room, like the moment he has taken himself offline is, you know, not super wise to have missed this. There's an expression and technology that I'm sure has a name, but like the size of objects get smaller as time goes on, like the way cameras have grown smaller and more portable over the years. I feel like this camera is real classic to the dungeon, right? There's something analog about it that he can appreciate.

It's like a medium format, however, a major or something. Yeah. Yeah. Ordinarily he'd like put his head under a cloak operated. So when he comes back, the computer automatically restores his memories that have just been deleted. And then he goes over to the holo image and sets it from suck to blow. And it makes the hologram of the person that just came into the room. And it builds from the bones up, a representation of Captain Janeway. How surprising of a reveal was this? Pretty surprising.

I mean, I kind of thought it would be like BLT or something like that. I can't believe Janeway did it herself. Delegate, you know? Yeah, yeah, she gets her hands dirty. Yeah. Pretty great. This moment on the bridge right afterwards is hot. Yeah.

Because there's like some bullshit, water cooler conversation happening between Janeway and Dakota and Tubac. This is, God, I could live in scenes like this so much longer. Just the crew chopping it up. Yeah. Just talking about some bullshit. Yeah. When they're not talking shop, when it's not techno-bamble, they're talking sumo. Yeah. And like, Janeway is apparently a big enough sumo fan

that she went to like a big championship. Yeah. She's got opinions. But she, brutal irony here is that she went to like a big championship. Yeah, she's got opinions. But she brutal irony here is that she's having memory problems. She forgot who won this crucial match and two Valk and Chico Tei think that they remember correctly. Who won? They're memories don't agree. Kind of an ugly portrayal of memory issues.

Yeah. Across the bridge when the doctor appears. The DAC is not in the mood for this. No, he does not find it charming at all, and he starts lashing out. He starts tossing accusations around because as far as he can tell everybody's in on it at this point. You're conspiring against me, all of you. Why?

I mean, it is deeply uncomfortable when you're just trying to have a conversation with your friends and someone Injects their weird conspiracy theories. Right into it like you're gonna stop getting invited places Keep pulling that shit. Yeah, you keep bringing up comet ping pong over and over again This is why Janeway polls the doctor into the ready room. She doesn't want to see him lose all his friends. Yeah. And in that ready room, Janeway explains what happened.

She's ready to give it up. Something bad happened that caused a conflict in his mind that he couldn't resolve. So the only solution at that point was to extract the memory of the thing that caused this. Like, it's like unloading the files that caused the mind-fire risk that, you know, told his collective to sleep or whatever. Are you familiar with the work of Dr. Bashir? Pioneer of the very successful treatment for terrible memories.

Hello, my name is... well, that's not important. I'm here to talk about the success of the Bessier technique for memory erasure. It's a great way to live a happier existence, because I'm told whatever was going on in my life before was way worse than whatever this is. Here's a picture of me just a month ago, sad and mean. Now look at me, I do not remember why I was that way before. All I can tell you is I am much better today. It's like a credit reset. You call us and we will negotiate with the credit card companies to change your amount

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eventually It's just all infomercial eventually. The doctor's like, how long is this really? Why is this a VHS cassette? They said it was supposed to be the second half of Titanic. What the fuck is going on? Part of what is so creepy about this conversation is how clinical Janeway is about the description of what's happened, like clinical in a technology kind of way, like your malfunctioning and

you need to be repaired. Like all of the emotional way of what we realize later is completely sucked out of it. And it seems just really cold and unusual. From a captain, we know from the last episode can be very hot. Yeah, yeah. I mean, he's making the case for that too in this kind of conversation. He's like trying to put it in human terms. Like if you were unable to provide your consent for some operation and somebody just did it to you. Wouldn't you be upset? And she'd like pretty much rejects the comparison. She's like, yeah, no, that would be fine with me

or whatever. I don't give a shit. I don't feel like I need to justify this to you. She basically says, like, you know, go pack your bags tomorrow morning. You're getting another factory reset. And she like takes a paperclip off her desk and unfolds you know one part of it. Yeah, she's ready to lany him right then and there. Paperclip to the back of the head. So the doctor heads down to six bay and it's just kind of like sitting in his office, feeling a lot of feelings about this. And Chicoote and Sevin and Tom Perris can pay him a visit. And they're going to prep the patient basically. They're here to copy files so that Lieutenant Torres can do the procedure of deleting the messed-up

shit. And Chicoote and and Paris are there to talk to him while she does that and say like, yeah, like the captain kind of made the right call on this one. Like I know it's like super weird and fucked up, but you were in a bad way. Was part of Paris's punishment that he had to have a little boy's haircut, well, he's an ensign? Because this is the second instance of, hey, is that a new haircut in this episode?

When B-Dunks showed up on set and saw what they did for Garrett Wong, he must have been so mad. Uh, yeah. It's a wonder that they're still friends, you know? Yeah, I mean, I don't want to say that B.Dunk's previous haircut like Connoted some authority. Am I making any sense here? But it wasn't this And also did they leave both pips on him? Oh, what's going on in the pip department there? I thought he was ensinned up. Yeah, okay. I didn't notice a mistake for that.

I might be wrong about that. There may have been a kernel of corn that fell on his collar. Right. You got a whole new pit right there. It's cold! I've got to get bit. Knock, knock, put your lot number, your mouth. I've got to get bit.

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I wonder what's going on with him. Yeah. I love this moment where the doc asks Paris, like almost as a friend, like, you gotta tell me, dude, what happened 18 months ago? Yeah. And when Paris says that he can't say, but he agrees with the decision,

that just sent chills up my spine. Like, what could be this bad? Yeah. I feel like the A problem with what's happening to the doctor is someone's fucking with this program. And he has no agency over his life. Right. As long as stuff gets erased, but like deep B problem or like way on down the list, is that everyone knows a thing that one person doesn't. Yeah. And I kind of wish Moore was made of that because that's the more disturbing part to me.

It's kind of the reverse of the like data remembers everything and has the lie to the whole crew. Right. Episode. I felt the same way. This is Voyager's Commandermic Duff. Yeah. Episode, right? Similarly isolating to. Yeah. Yeah. So seven has been feeling a lot of feelings about this because she's overheard this whole conversation and she winds up in the captains quarters

at 2 a.m. to unload some of these misgivings. And they have this very intense rights of an individual debate that, you know, the captain like makes this totally like over the top metaphor comparing the EMH to a replicator. And seven is like, you know, my uncle on my mother's side is a replicator and I find that very offensive. The scene that came to mind to me was a seven of night turning to a chainway and going, I have nipples. Can you milk me?

Oh yeah, you can milk anything with nipples. The captain is like, everybody knows that you have nipples, seven. The doctor saw to that. Yeah. I love this scene for both of these actors. I think whenever they have conflicts, it's a good thing for the show. It is. And it's an interesting conflict because, you know, the captain is less defending her decision

than defending the fact that she made it 18 months ago for a lot of it. At the end of the scene, the captain came off so fucking unreasonable. Defending something as having been decided a long time ago is not a defense. It is such a relief the next morning when she shows up in six band is like, okay, I'm been doing some new thinking about this and I'm going to load the memories back in so that you can see what we're taking away before we take them back away. Did you think that was the offer? What's going on here is Jane way is like, look, I'm going to show you all this stuff.

We're going to erase from you. But do you think there is ever a moment where they thought to turn the scene into a, we're gonna show you what happened, and if you still want to resist the hollow lobotomy, we'll allow it. Like, there still isn't a choice here, which I think is unfortunate because if he watched all of this and still chose

lobotomy, that would be a real stomach punch of a moment in this episode, but I don't know if he's ever given that choice, right? Right. I mean, because that kind of opens up the eternal sunshine of it all, like then there becomes a question about how much of and what specifically to to go with and I think that they're not convinced that he's going to want to erase it. He's just going to be convinced that there's something wrong with him when he sees it. So we get to this scene where they like load the memories back in and then we're in this memory for a while.

Like we go back in time and it's a surprise party for Ensign Jital. There's a cellular peptide cake with mint frosting. Would you like a bucket? How's that? How great is this cake, by the way? How great does it look? I don't need cake.

God, I knew I was asking the wrong person. It looks fine. It looks as good as any cake. But I like the writing and frosting look so cool because there's perspective to it. I thought that was neat. Do you think that was a reference to Star Wars though? Kind of. It kind of looked like the Star Wars crawl. Ensign Jatal is a real Star Wars head.

She like practices lightsaber fighting in her quarters. Ensign Jatal, episode 27. The Dead Speak, engine to tall. It's back in the episode, after being brutally killed by a triple barrel gun. Yeah. Hey, Blinken you'll miss it, but Chico Tei's in this episode. Sounds great. He's the one who gives the mission,

orders to, uh, to Jital and the doctor and Harry Kim. And boy, the POV feels so uncomfortable here. Did you look away from the screen when Jital looks straight into camera? No, because I was kind of falling in love with her in that moment. I mean, so was I, but like that was part of it. The actor who plays Jatal is just very pretty and charismatic and like being looked at through the camera was shocking in that moment. Yeah, it's intense. So we see the like shuttle mission and the in the reenactment of what we've only seen in still photos so far. Like we don't get a lot more information from this. We don't know

who this alien is, why he's attacking them, how he decided which gun to pull off the wall, specifically. But one thing that I thought was really remarkable about this sequence was just how bloody it is. If this is how bloody they're allowed to get, if standards and practices will sign off on this episode, there are so many episodes that would have been benefited by so much more blood. I felt the same way. Jatal and Kim, their faces look like fucking burger at the end of this.

It is rugged and there's blood on the carpet. You never see blood on the carpet in Star Trek. It's a really amazing scene. Like, you never see, but down the carpet! Oh man. Wow. When Greatest Gen win electric. Bob Dylan lives to the 24th century and then releases the Blood on the Carpet album.

I love the, like, just everything is from the doctor's perspective. Like, we cut to his face a couple of times, but like we even see like Voyager come in through the window of the shuttle and like scare away this marauding ship. Yeah. He gets back to Six Bay with these two and whatever they got shot with

is causing like cascading neural failure. And it's like continuing to fuck them up and it becomes a real EMH's choice. Good thing Paris is there to be the nurse. Doctors prescribe nurses provide. And the doc needs to make a decision, but he's like looking at Paris. Like seriously, the haircut thing.

Like, it's very distracting. You don't have to have any haircut. You don't want to have in the 24th century, right? Like, you can just always have a perfect haircut every day. And Paris looks at his watch and he says, while you said that, we ran out of time to save both of them. So you're going to have to pick one. Yeah. I mean, what a moment. You could choose. You have to pick one. Yeah. I mean, what a moment. You could choose. You got to pick one.

And the doc gets to work on Kim with Paris's help. I love how Paris does not telegraph an interest in who the doc picks, even though Ensign Kim is his best friend in the world. Ha ha ha. Paris is more professional than the doctor in this moment. Yeah. What's wrong with their birdies is incredibly scary sounding. Like, it's a bullet that keeps exploding inside. It's like crawling up their spinal cords.

So that's why the operation at the base of the neck, like he severed Kim's spinal cord to like air gap this process so that it wouldn't get to his brain. Yeah. And then he can like reconnect it once he's solved the problem. And while they worked on Ensign Kim, like they hear Jatel's bio bed long beep next to them,

and that's how you know she's dead. Yeah. That's also how's how you know she's dead That's also how Pike tells you that he's horny Pike is your button stuck or He just had me to see me Or do you want to you want some lap sitting Yeah, and the doc I love the docs take care because he's like, so you're telling me all of this fuss is over one crew person's death? I see death all the time, I'm a doctor. Oh, big deal.

It's not a big deal. And Janeway's like, keep watching the footage. And so back and flashback, they're on the bridge for the funeral scene and they shoot a very valuable torpedo casing out with Jotel's body in it. What's left of it anyway? After that, the doctor is kicking in the mess hall with Nelix. Yeah.

This scene is hence the bigness because he goes really big in this scene. Why did I decide to kill her? Why? Somebody tell me why. This is how you nail an audition. Yeah. I thought this was great. I thought it was really well blocked, the like steady cam. There's not even a steady cam. It's like a handheld camera that kind of like follows him around as he does this rant.

You know, cutting back to the react of the people in the room and he looks trying to like radio security in a way that was like subtle, but I'm like standing right in front of you while doing it. I mean, I want to draw a big circle around Ethan Phillips because he's not in this episode a bunch, but when he is in the episode, it may not seem like he's doing very much. It's incredible the metamorphosis that the Neelix character has had in this series. And Ethan Phillips in particular, like, to watch what he does in this scene in reaction to what the doctor is doing is incredible. Because when the scene begins, I was wondering if Neielix was a person who was grieving in this moment.

And it's so subtle, the way that he is portraying a person who is. And how as the doctor starts to spiral, you can see him work it out in his head, like, well, the doctor is grieving too. And I need to allow for everyone to grieve a little differently until the moment where the grief goes too far, where it becomes kind of an emergency.

But the patients that Neelix has in this scene and the portrayal of that patient I thought was just so powerful, like a fucking great moment. I really agree. I think these are two really challenging acting moments like one for Piccardo who at least has the benefit of a lot of lines in the scene. Right. And an arc to go on. Ethan Phillips has like two or three lines in the scene and he has to do almost as much just in the way he behaves around the doctor and experiencing this rant.

You and I have this challenge all the time. How do you even concentrate on something another person is telling you for any longer than a couple of sentences? It's almost impossible. Neither of us even tries. Neither of us are on camera. Here's Ethan Phillips, on camera for basically this entire performance, having

to stay in that moment of being a passenger in the doctor's scene and being fully engaged in the emotional gravity of it. And that was great. And really strong stuff. And the scene ends with two-f fuck like sneaking in and like pressing the off button on the mobile emitter to disconnect him. And the captain back in the present is explaining to the EMH like you kept doing that. Like that wasn't the only time you did that a bunch. I'm no doctor, but it seemed to me that you were gripped with being a bummer hang.

I'm no doctor, but it seemed to me that like two patients diverge in a wood and I, I chose the Anxen, we like better, didn't I? It's like a multi-level problem because he's like, I'm supposed to be detached and I sort of picked the person to save that I had the closer connection with, but also like, I'm supposed to be superhuman in my ability to save. And also, I'm supposed to like, not move on with regret after I make a decision. Like, if I make a call, like, I should be, even if it's the wrong call, I should be detached enough to like, have some, even if it's the wrong call, I should be detached enough to like have

some professional distance from it. Right. And I should be able to watch people die hundreds of people at a time and feel nothing. Yeah, I should have like my pupils go all all beady and you know, mutilate as many holiday characters as I want and feel nothing. Yeah. The doc kind of flies off the handle again in a illustration of exactly what Janeway was talking about. A reprogrammer or something. Go ahead, reprogrammy. I'll lend you a hat. So they turn them off for now.

And Janeway turns to be LT and she's like, yeah, there's this battle being fought within him. And our solution 18 months ago was like, well, let's spare him the battle. Like if he doesn't remember the thing, then no battle. No battle! No battle! Spare the battle, spoil the child though, right?

Right, right. And that's sort of the case she makes. Like if he has a soul, if he's been allowed to evolve past being an automaton, then sparing him the battle may seem like a short-term benefit, but maybe it's a long-term bad. I want to learn how to needle point, and I want to make that for DeRone's room,

with like a bat less in the middle. Yeah, yeah. Spare the battle less in the middle. Yeah, yeah. Spare the battle. Spoil the boy. The boy. Spoil the warrior. Spoil the warrior. Yeah.

We have needle pointists in our audience. Somebody gave us a captain potter. Yeah. Needle point. That's still on my wall. You're right, Ben. I don't need to learn how to do anything. Yeah, somebody will send it in. Don't worry. Hey.

If they can convince Bill that they're not a glitter bomb, it's still send it in. Tell you got to do. Yeah, so the captain goes down and wakes seven up out of a deep sleep. Seven was finally sleeping great because she's not troubled anymore. You know, because the captain did what she told her to do. Yeah. I'm ready to have that discussion now Interesting moment like Seven sort of replaying her experience being rescued and becoming a part of the crew and the rocky road it took for her to make it to that place in that moment with Janeway.

And when she arrives at not wanting to have changed a thing about that experience, I think that is the inspiration for what comes next. Yeah. I think we knew this about Seven, but the fact that it has been up until now that the captain asks seven, like, would you go back and he regarts, then seven pulls down her sleeve and shows her shoulder tattoo to the contrary. And I know you didn't ask, but I assimilated millions of people and I'm not losing a fucking wink of sleep over

it. I think the doctor is a fucking baby. Yeah. Yeah. Like, we all have regurts, but little ones, you know? Right. Yeah. So the solution to this is to simulate an armchair in the holodeck.

And now for two weeks, people have been doing round the clock shifts, sitting in with the doctor while he sits in this chair and has armchair bum outs about what happened. And I mean, you're hoping that he wrestles his trembles to rages, right? You hope, but two weeks is a long time. That's a long time. Two piss buckets obscured in the holodeck and I chose

the one that was less full and it made all the difference. Yeah. Did he even have free will in this? That's something he brings up like the, you know, the big bang and all of the physics set in motion. I mean, from the beginning of the universe, like do any of us choose any of the things that we do? Welcome to the Making Sense podcast. The scene is pretty lengthy, like the depiction of the grappling that the doctor does.

Yeah. But he veers pretty closely toward a kind of Calvinist predestination philosophy that people without the gromba to take responsibility for their actions find comforting for some reason. And he rests in that for a long time. Because it was all determined 20 billion years ago. There is a certain logic to a more logic. The Captain does a lot of eye rolling in that particular part of his rant.

I mean, 16 hours of this jag is a little much. She must feel so bad for the other crew members that have been doing this, because like, too much comes to try and relieve her, and she's like, no, I'll keep doing it at the 16-hour mark. And I don't know, like two weeks in, is this her first shift? Or she'd been going like this hard? I mean, I think that's it, the book is for Ben.

Yeah. Like you and I are close friends. And if you ever had some shit to lay on me, I do you the kindness of not reading during, you know? Don't, not on my account, man, bring a book. All right. It's fine. Okay, I'll do that.

She's super tired at this point. And he finally gets curious about what the book is. And she tells him about how it's poetry and it's relevant to his situation. There's coffee in that poetry. It's levita nuova, which is something I don't know anything about. I learned less about this than I learned about mall or last episode. I mean, it's a Ricky Martin song, right?

It's the novelization of the Ricky Martin song. of the Ricky Martin song. You see, doctor, it goes like upside inside out living La Vida Nupa. Her skin was the color of mocha, etc. Does that make you feel any better? And she's like got a fever at this point. Medical emergency. Doctor, did she really have a fever? As a construction, I feel like you probably start here, right? Like what is the sacrifice? Yeah.

That the captain is making and being there. The sacrifice that's greater than her loss of sleep or her comfort at sitting in the same chair for 16 hours a day. Something snaps in the doctor's hollow brains. And it's like, oh God, she's suffering to help me. And something about that frees him up. It breaks the spell. The knowledge that like his suffering

is part of what saved Kim. Right. It unfortunately killed the other Ensign, but like the suffering is part of what saved Kim. Right. It unfortunately killed the other Ensign, but like the suffering is part of the work. It's interesting, because it doesn't totally like dispel his conflict because he stays in the room. Like he sends her to Six Bay to get checked out,

but I feel like he feels like he is at the crest of a waterfall where the conflict will dissipate. Yeah. And very contemplative ending to this episode. It does not. He turns the holodeck into an abattoir and he starts doing disgusting operations on that alien with the three-barrel drapeful. It's the only way he can blast at this point.

Yeah. Did you like this episode, Adam? You know, I'm gonna use it to get along with most of the time. But I don't like bullets, I don't like bread, and I don't like you. I love this too. This is an episode that sells itself as a very special episode of Star Trek Voyager,

like something heavy. And up until the very last scene, I was like, oh, this is interesting as a construction. Right. But when is the gut punch gonna happen? Yeah. And it took the very last second for that to take place because when Janeway leaves the doctor alone

in that holodeck, in his chair, staring at her empty chair at the book that she was just reading before she left. And then the doc reads it. And it's a reminder of how like no matter how difficult your day is, you can start over the day after that. You can try to do something great or meet someone great or just have a better day if you can and if that doesn't work, you try again the day after that. And there's something encouraging and beautiful about that sentiment. And I'm so glad it wasn't said explicitly. Like it was said visually with those people and those objects in that empty holodeck.

Like I like the hope that that represents. But it's like hidden in this voyage or McDuff episode, you know, that's also like a fun science fiction construction. Totally, totally. That's where I'm at with it. Yeah, I feel like this episode is super strong and really snack up on me as well. It feels like it's probably just going to be a fun and games episode

and then it's something bigger and you didn't even notice that they were building Like it's probably just gonna be a fun and games episode and then it's something bigger and You didn't even notice that they were building the airplane or that you were flying while they were doing it, you know Yeah, yeah and if the last episode was a two-hander, this was like a one-hander This was all Robert Piccardo. This was a takeover of an episode by him and a really great acting performance. Yeah, you did a really nice job. Really awesome.

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I mean, not for me. Take me down to the infinite city. Where the grass goes on. I mean it really just keeps going. There's no end to that grass. It's one of my favorite songs by ACDC, I want to say. Yeah close enough. Yeah, the infinite city.com to check out. It's a very interesting sounding project. I love this. This sounds weird and cool Looks like it's on YouTube also based on my Exploration of the infinite city dot com. Oh good

Everyone's got shows on YouTube. Yeah, anyone who's anyone our next priority one message here is from Chris M and it's to Ben and Adam and it goes like this I wanted to share a highlight of 2022 meeting my girlfriend's parents for the first time the same night as the tour stop in Toronto Yes, a few show drink steep. I had to tell them we were out late because I had taken their daughter to a live Star Trek podcast. It went well! They were super cool and we're both now viewers. I love you Emily. Wow! That is a... What's up Emily? High-risk proposition. Yeah, yeah. I mean, but honestly, like, after meeting the girlfriend's parents, it's gravy from there. Like going on a date to a live Star Trek podcast, easy by comparison. Right? Yeah, I've read that the Hollywood reboot of

Guess Who's Coming to Dinner, starring a fan of the greatest generation, is making great progress in development over at Warner's. Working title is Guess Who's Coming Over to be awkward and weird. But it worked out for Chris Eminemily, that rules. Sure did. Eminemily. What is it? What's that? Yeah, I wonder if she'll go by MM someday. Yeah. About the women have to take their partners last name. Yeah, I wonder if she'll go by MM someday

About the women have to take their partners last name. I mean you're you got this great relationship You got this one chance. Yeah Don't blow it like so much of your girlfriend's parents spaghetti Yeah, Chris and my memory. Yeah, I believe they call it pasta up there. Ben, our final priority when message is from the other less co-captain of the USS York. It is two co-captain of the USS York. Message goes like this. Rachel, together we've navigated divorces, buying a new house in St. Paul, forming a blended family with cat maze. A boy.

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I love you. Wow. USS York in good hands with this company. Sounds like it. Co-captains. Yeah. One of the captains, going and bringing home that design work bacon, the other captain vacuuming the bacon.

At the homestead. Yeah. How do we have so many lighting designers in our audience? We had an LD doing a commercial P1 a couple of weeks ago, didn't we? We have a lot of friends at DeSoto in and around Minneapolis St. Paul. That's true. Yeah. One of the great gravity wells of friends of DeSoto. Yeah, that's a part of the country I really love getting to go visit.

Yeah, indeed. Wow. Well, if you'd like to get a P1 on the show, head to maximumfun.org slash jumbo-tron and make sure you accept it to our show and not fucking Jordan Jesse go. Yeah. Hey, Ben. What's that Adam? Did you find yourself a drunk Shimada? Drunk Shimada.

It's all three barrel Adam. Ha ha ha. I just can't stop thinking about that weird alien and his weird gun and look does he want to shoot them or is it a banger accident? Oh yeah, cuz like did he beam off of his own ship and then it's like the ship is still shooting at them while he's on board, right? Look, he's clearly my Shimoda too, but I think it's for all of these questions. Like, the doc talks about beaming him back and Kim's like, what did you beam him into space? So he does. Like, this alien species didn't send their best, right? This is a guy who can't work the gun

and also gets beamed away when he doesn't wanna be. And also, why is this the way they attack the ship? They should have just kept shooting at it. Shooting at it was working, right? Yeah, shooting at it was doing the job. There's so many questions and so few answers. Like, the doc even asks questions about this guy, and we don't get him. So, yeah, I've just, I'm baffled.

He's the drunk tomato of the show. For sure. Yeah. We don't know nearly enough about them. What we can find out a little bit about Adam is the next episode of Star Trek Voyager, season five episode 12, bride of Chaotica, photonic life forms mistake, the characters in Tom's hollow novel for real people, which leads to a war with the holiday characters.

That sounds like an episode that could be mostly in black and white bin. Our game of buttholes. Bored, bright and vivid color. Yeah, indeed. Our runabout is throbbing on square 26. A couple squares ahead is the naked now bathtub episode. Cool. That'd be great. On Square 26, a couple of squares ahead is the naked now bathtub episode.

Cool, that'd be great. I almost forgot about that stupid fucking square on this game. You're required to learn as you play. Roll. The only bad thing I could hit is that. And I'm just gonna call it right now, I'm gonna fucking hit it because that's, I think that's the best thing, yeah, don't.

Oh, I rolled a four, I jinxed it. Shula! Did I win? I self-janked. Man, a four has popped us to square 30. It is a clothed episode. Thank God. It's really hoping for an episode

where I could clean my butt. Yeah. Yeah. It's not. just really hoping for an episode where I could clean my body. Yeah. It's not. Is that something that the pediatrician has told you, you need to practice better hygiene as a growing boy? Yeah. Cleaned behind my ears, you know.

Yeah. Why is DeRone so much cleaner than you? He's literally on his own birdie. And is cleaner than you. Yeah, he shits and then the thing holds the shit against him. Oh, that is so gnarly. Yeah, and then it's on you to catch it, like, within a period of time. What a great responsibility that is.

They're really easy in though. Like, the early turns are no big deal. I think when they start eating people food, they become, uh... Once they start dropping logs. Yeah, then it becomes, uh, loggage, but right now we're in a very happy, unsmelly phase.

Wow, look at you. Yeah. You just need to be taking more showers. That's it. Yeah. Well Thanks to everybody who listened to this episode of the show make a musical parody and send it into Jordan Jesse go to express your displeasure with Jesse cutting us off like that Yeah cutting off. Hey make no mistake. Jim from New Jersey. This is podcast war podcast war

George Jesse go fired the first shot, but they will not fire the last. Yeah, so help me God. Yeah, there is no back channel phone This is a hot war. Yeah, and it's now. I think windy pretty for being our producer Windy conscripted into our podcast war. Yeah, yeah. She's a field marshal, field marshal, Wendy. Yeah, we got to thank the great card daddy, Bill Tilly, who runs our social media. That greatest trek everywhere you care to follow.

Join the discord, drunksamotod.com. There's a mastodon. I think that's Friends of Disotto.net's social. We've got to thank Adam and you, see it for the original theme music for the show. Goose is great. Goose is good. Hey, Adam.

What? I've heard that there are friends of Disotto out there that are walking around topless. Nice. They could get that sort of very easily by going to podchop.biz in ordering a t-shirt or something. Yeah. You want to show everyone your friend a desoto? You're a part of something that's

definitely not a cult? Friends a desoto like to wear gray shirts that they get from PodChop.biz. Yeah. New varieties of those shirts populate at the store recently, if I'm not mistaken. Hey! Convention season's coming up. Yeah. You want to show those other conventioneers what your favorite Star Trek podcast is? Yeah. A gray shirt.

I am looking for some bulls. It's going to let everyone know exactly which is your favorite Star Trek podcast. I would just absolutely love for a Star Trek convention to be happening and like a third of the people walking around it are just wearing an unassuming grey shirt and everybody else is like, what the fuck is going on? And they're insisting their cosplay. With that we will be back at you next week with another great episode of Star Trek Voyager and episode of the greatest generation Voyager that's in black and white.

Tasteful black and white. Hey, just like your student films. Hmm, yeah. You get one of those great big memory cards. Yeah, you become obsessed with what you can't have. That's close by. Make it sound. Maximumfun.org Comedy and culture Artistone, audience supported.