The Greatest Generation - Sweater Buff (VOY S4E19)

Episode Date: October 3, 2022

When the allies start planning their holographic D-Day, Janeway and Karr agree to a ceasefire. But when Turanj opts for Nazi ideology over a less murderous vision for the future, he ends up falling into Janeway’s trap and getting the ultimate lesson in diplomacy. Where can you find the best fries in Los Angeles? Did Voyager make the arch obsolete? What’s the best part about camping with Klingons? It’s the episode that’s definitely taking a Brode on the eve of battle!Support the production of The Greatest Generation.Friends of DeSoto for Democracy.Friends of DeSoto for Justice. Follow The Game of Buttholes: The Will of the Caretaker!Music by Adam Ragusea & Dark MateriaFollow The Greatest Generation on Twitter, and discuss the show using the hashtag #GreatestGen!The Greatest Generation is on Twitch.Facebook group | Subreddit | Discord | WikiSign up for our mailing list!

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Just a little bit embarrassed about having a Star Trek podcast. I'm Adam Pranica. I'm Ben Harrison. Back where I belong. Standing on my standing mat. Yeah, you've got one of those artificial but fat mats on the ground. But fat mat? It's got that butt fat texture. It's nice and mushy. But fat mat is an unpopular name of a garbage peel kid card.

Hahaha. Check out butt fat mat. Hahaha. Why is this butt so fat? I like those mats, I never had one before. Yeah. I don't have a standing desk. Should I get a standing desk?

I love the standing desk. I was not an early adopter to this back when I was working in an office full time. Yeah. You know, you started to see them. And honestly, so much about what shitty about office culture is what shitty about society anyway, which is like, why does that person get something different? And I don't.

Yeah. Like that was kind of the vibe that pervaded the office. Like, oh, Stacy in accounting is standing in her desk. What makes her so special? Yeah, but then the reverse side of it is if you're like a sitting in your desk. What makes her so special? Yeah, but then the reverse side of it is if you're like a sitting at your desk person and the person next to you gets a standing desk, it's like, okay, now all of their farts are like at nose level.

Yeah, yeah, you wanted to ploy the standing desks equally, especially in the same cubicle. I think you want to get everyone up or down. I was reading about one that has a button on the side and it goes from sitting to standing and I was like, I was mainly intrigued in just the audacity of the idea that I would have my act together enough that a desk could change height and everything wouldn't unplug and fall off of it. I was thinking the was thinking the same thing, like I'm a maniac about cable management and I don't have my shit together

well enough to ensure that even when I pull my desk out from the wall for some reason, that shit doesn't go crazy. Yeah, I might, I don't know, I might explore that at some point. I get a sitting chair though. So if I got a, you got a nice tall chair for your standing desk. Yeah. I chose my nice chair based on the height of my, of my desk. But I also chose my, the height of my desk and the height of my chair based on a job I no longer have.

Like back when we were editing for eight to 14 hours a day, like the stand ended up being therapeutic. You wanted that, but I don't keep the same hours that I used to in front of a computer. So I'm wondering if maybe I'm doing more harm than good by standing in one place as often as I tend to do. It's interesting because when we go on tour, we always have a table and we sit down. And one thing that we experimented a little bit with

on our last tour was starting the show on foot coming out and standing up and talking for five or 10 minutes, doing our Marin open on foot and then going and sitting down and doing the rest of the show as we would seated, except for that's the natural podcasting position for me. It's not for you. You've always been a stand-to-podcast. Boy did I resist that idea. When you proposed that the first time,

I was like, you were a maniac. Why do you want to, like, we just got rid of all our complications for our live show. And now you're trying to add complications back in where the old complications used to be. I'm always thinking of new ways to make our lives slightly more challenging. But when we tried it a couple of times, I think the effects were clear.

It was fun moving around the space. Here's the thing about going and seeing a live podcast show or performing in a live podcast show. It's a table on a stage. Yeah. It looks weird. So getting out and walking around actually feels pretty good. Yeah, it was nice to do. Having a wireless mic was really fun because you could also like take it with you in the middle of a show and do something on

the stage that we might not have have done otherwise. But, uh, ooh, looks like you got yourself a brew dog today. I have a root brew dog. Then you want to drink. Root brew dog. So yeah. You ever go to a restaurant and you know, you get the food and the side and a drink, but you know full well.

You're not gonna have that drink with the food. This is a food visit and you're gonna take that drink in the car or home. I went to a hamburger's place that sold fancy root beers. Okay. And I was like, that looks really good, but I do not wanna take on a fancy root beer and a hamburger and fries.

How were the fries, were they the best fries in Los Angeles? How dare you? Ha ha ha ha. The best fries in Los Angeles? How dare you. The best fries in Los Angeles are at Burger Master in Seattle. And that might always be true. Wow. So they brought it to your table but did not open it. So that's nice.

Yeah. Yeah. So I ended up just taking it home and saving it for later. I mean, that's like a lot of calories on calories. Yeah. For a late afternoon. So I was like, I'm gonna give myself a little treat later and treat time is now.

It's so bubbly and clawing and happy. It's fire. Oh yeah. You deserve it, buddy. You deserve it more than anyone. Oh, come on. It's like that scene and shashank Redemption, you know? Nothing makes a person feel like they're working hard on a podcast, like, uh,

like, tarring a podcast roof and taking down a root, root dog. That's how the dialogue goes, right? So weird that you... So we were in the middle of recording. We're recording two things today. We recorded an episode earlier. We took a seven minute break and now we're recording second episode of the day. In between, I got up, opened a package full of vacuum cleaner bags, reloaded the vacuum cleaner bag in my vacuum and took a pee. In that seven minutes, I listened to a chunk

of an episode of stop podcasting yourself where they were talking about the scene in Shawshank when they were drinking beers on the roof. What the fuck? I don't know how that happens. This is maximum fun podcast, Oro Boros, where like greatest generation is eating their tail. Yeah, except for you didn't know that.

No. I did. You're the one that brought it up. I'm sitting here tripping balls, man. I'm the one that brought it up. We got a text, David Graham, and let him know about this oroboro thing that just happened. They're gonna be totally indifferent to it.

Yeah. Love those guys. That's a... Best in the best. A. Love those guys. That's a, Best in the BIS. A Fave show of mine. The only max fun show putting more bonus episodes into the bonus feed than we are, I know.

Are them. They're kind of taking our lunch money on the bonus feed thing. But they were talking about how the, like they must have gotten like a director that mainly works on beer commercials to come in and shoot second unit for that scene because the beer looks so fucking refreshing. Yeah!

It's real, you know, wait all you see the pool energy when the beers start coming out of the bucket. Yeah. We were the laws of all creation. So great, great scene. Great scene. Sure makes the warden's lackey look like a great dude. You know?

Yeah. I think of while it's cold, ladies. Good job. He was great in that, and then he was great later when he enlisted as a buck private so that he could go to war against the bugs in Starship Troopers. I turned off Shashank Redemption after the roof scene.

I don't know what happened after that, but I felt good about it. I think I saw enough. They go to Klin Dathu after that. I don't know what happens after that, but I felt good about it. I think I saw enough. They go to Clint D'Athoo after that. I'm pretty sure. That's a pretty fun game. Like, what is the front half of one movie that you could bolt on to the back half of the second movie, using one actor and their character as the pass-through? Yeah, I like it. I like it. Well, speaking of people that are from space dressing up like Nazis, Adam, you're getting into today's episode of Voyager. Got a bucket full of root broodogs here. I'm ready to go, Ben. Hell yeah. It's Star Trek Voyager season 4 episode 19, the killing game, part 2. The Captain and 7 of 9 have to head to the As Lab to do some work on this whole, uh,

the bad guys have taken over the ship situation. This scene was so funny to me because what is that dude doing in there at the controls? Like he's a projection of a human person. He's like a Nazi guy. What's he doing at that station? He's getting intel from the ass lab. He seemed like a broken non-player character in an open-world video game. Right. That's like stuck in a corner. Yeah. He doesn't belong there. They're getting some intel. They're figuring out where the banes are, like where the nazis are, where the allies are, where everybody is all over the ship. And they realize that they can actually potentially retake the ship if they enlist the help of simulated characters from the holodeck.

There's only like 89 bains on board and there's holo projectors everywhere. So if they team up with holo allies, they can potentially get their ship back. Revala Fries! Is the reason they don't number check the amount of troops available because there are an infinite amount of them

that would just be projected as coming like wave after wave. Wow, yeah, I don't know. I wondered that because they're so specific about the number of bans, but I was like, hey, give me the read, um, how many troops you're on board and no one says it. Right, how many, how many like of the armored division that Jicote is in charge of are there? How many SS troops? Yeah. I wanna know. Yeah. Yeah.

So the plan at this point is to disable all of the interfaces and the only place you can do that is on six bay. We know this. Yeah. The surgical computer where the doc kept working on, on hooking the captains, neural interface is the thing that is controlling everybody's neural interface. It makes sense that the one piece of gear that has kept track of everyone's neck back, post-eun't-crack,

is a medical device in Six Bay, right? Right. Yeah. is a medical device in six feet, right? Right, yeah. Kim wants to blow out the whole network. He's explaining this to Alphabet and like listen, like your little adventure here has gotten totally out of hand. Now the hollow inmates are running the very real asylum that is Voyager. So if I just overload the whole network,

blow out every hollow emitter on the ship They will shut down the madness and you know we can stop this war and this guy's like no way man I want I want this ship as a prize Not just because it'd be a great prize that would prove I'm a really good hunter But like I want the holidays to be working specifically. Right. I mean car Love him or hate him like he stays true to his values the entire way. Yeah. He is not changing his mind about the whole holiday thing.

He's a real iconoclast. Yeah. I love the, like, this happens occasionally where like a captain will be in their riding outfit and get called up to the bridge or whatever. Yeah. He's in his Klingon armor, like guys in SS uniforms come like report to him and you know, or giving him updates on how the battle is going.

There's, you know, the Klingon simulation in Holodeck 2, there's the Nasi simulation in Holodeck 1. It's all getting mixed together. It's a total mess. Card gets to wear the most costumes of any character this episode, right? Because he wears bane, he wears klingon, he wears nazi. Yeah, there's the part where he's in a vineyard wrestling

in the mud with his brother, where he wears like brown overalls, a big hat. Famously an episode not called brothers. As badly as we want it to be called Brothers, that what it's called. It's not what it's called, it turns out. You have to learn to live with it. The way to solve any problem like this for Bains is more Bains.

So that's the order that he gives his beta. And down in Halodeck one, a lot of the crew are still narrowly uplinked. And so they believe themselves to be in France in the forties and they believe that the thing that they blew up in the building in the village of St. Clair is some kind of secret Nazi bunker that they like missed on all the intel.

Like Tuvac and Chikote are talking about this and they're like, boy, am I humiliated that we did not know that the Nazis had a extremely advanced like weapons experimentation lab here in town? I'm so glad you're catching me up on all this been because I stopped listening. As soon as I saw Tuvac in that very comfortable

looking black sweater. I wanted that sweater. It did look comfy. I mean, one of the big shames about living in LA is there's almost never a good sweater weather. I have so many good sweaters from my time in Brooklyn and they just, they sit in a drawer. The cut of most sweaters does not do a person any favors

in the V-shaped torso department. But I gotta say Tim Russ looks pretty jacked in the sweater. He's sweater buff. Yeah. That's a big amount of buff. That's what I'm saying. He can really fill up that sweater. Yeah, it's really nice.

So, you know, the Razzy Stunts and the American troops are working together at, you know, Brigitte, BLT is trying to like argue for like, hey, let's maybe chill out. Now that we've discovered that there's like an extremely advanced weapons lab with like medals, we don't recognize in it. And just like calm down while we figure out what's going on here. And Chico Te is like, no man, like this is time to press the fight. We need to neutralize these Nazis.

Yeah. There's a line of dialogue here that was really funny to me, which was. This restaurant will serve as our command post. I wanna use that over on our hit bonus feed podcast, Factory Secrets. Oh, that's a great idea. You should make that into a real show.

It's a real show to me, damn it. So the resistance have hidden caches of weapons all over the place, and these may be helpful to the halide troops. And Brigitte is going to show Lieutenant Paris where some of these weapons stockpiles are. We've got to have Webs, he's the key. Webs to the key. And as they're discussing this, the captain shows up through a tunnel under the bar

to Jeffery's tube that leads into the holodeck. And well, this was fun. What is that? Some kind of an escape tunnel? That's precisely what it is. And, well, this was fun. What is that? Some kind of an escape tunnel? That's precisely what it is. I mean, decades later, this would have been a mini fridge. Right.

As it is, it's hard to figure out, like, it's got a door. Yeah, it's just like underbar storage. I think they keep like extra clean glasses or something. I love the idea that things like this were hiding in plain sight on every holodeck program we've ever seen. Like if you were to roll over a stone, like you would see an interface or something, or if you knocked on a tree, a panel would open up

and you could like go into a jeffries too. This is always here. Yeah, I mean like in the past, the holodeck equivalent of hitting pause and going into the interface has been calling for the arch. Yeah. And I like that Voyager has just kind of dispensed with that. That's not something that the Voyager holodeck bothers with. That's a great call. Yeah, the arch is absolutely everything is arch. It's oops all arch. Yeah. They're like holding their guns.

They're ready to blast the captain. She comes in with 7 of 9 and she's like, Hey, I'm actually the leader of the resistance. Please don't kill me. And they're like, Oh, cool. Great. Well, now that you're here, let's talk about our cool plan to fight the Nazis. And this is Janeway's turn to act like the character she was previously.

This is an interesting tension that pervades the whole thing. Everybody shocked that she had seven survived. They're like, we watched that building explode. Like, how are you here? And there's some sort of like seven of nine splash over suspicion. Where, like, if they were together and seven was suspected of being a spy, and now Janeway trusts her to the extent that they're like going in secret tunnels that no one knew about before, it kind of makes Janeway's position seem a little bit dangerous.

Yeah. Two Valkies like, hmm, like this. Racks another round. Yeah, yeah. And also, Janeway is advocating for a much less destructive approach to dealing with the Nazis. She's like, no, no, no, don't call in the airstrike on the quote unquote bunker. It's full of foreheads that could explode this whole valley. It's like there's experimental weapons in there that, you know, if the description, nobody says nuclear weapon, but like the description that she's using sort of evokes that,

like a unimaginably destructive thing could happen. And everybody here would die if you call them this airstrike, but don't worry, I've got a plan and it involves bombing a very specific surgical console in six minutes. Of course it's locked in. But this one to me, I don't care if I'm on it, I'm just saying this once. It's so funny to experience the disconnect of someone who looks like Janeway, talking to someone who looks like Ticoete, having to dumb it down for him and his feeble, greatest generation mind, you know, like giving him the notes

because he won't really get it. Yeah, well, but it's Chicoete. As someone who has a feeble, greatest generation mind at him, I really appreciated it. Yeah. But this is what's so strange about this scene is that like Tricote has to shift gears from leading the charge to providing cover for Janeway's resistance. When it was like just a scene ago, he was like, we're leading the resistance he's to get out of our way.

Yeah. Just tell us where all your hidden weapons are. But he's down for this in a support role. I'll be right behind you. To his credit, he switches gear really quickly and the plan is the C company, the guys that he's in charge of are gonna clear some corridors so that the captain and seven can get to six bay.

And they just need to talk about corridors on the ship in terms that a 40s army man will conceive of as Nazi bunker. Right. And they've got enough holographic explosives to do the job, but Seventh has the idea of also modifying some of these grenades with board technology. This was so frustrating because so much of the episode is spent watching Seventh Tinker with weapons. And I'm like, oh, this is gonna be great.

Once she gets these weapons going and shooting Borg plasma people, we're gonna see some serious shit. Cut to the end, we never see that. It's a huge bummer. Yeah, she's tinkering with the grenades in this scene and Tuva comes up to the captain and it's like, hey, so is she working with the Germans? And I like this a lot because the captain has no memory of any

previous conversation about this. So she still has to play along and she's like, no, we can trust her. And Tuva is like, what are you talking about? Like, you were getting ready to kill her. Yeah. Yeah, they get the scene interrupted though by the war reaching their doorstep and everyone has to kind of bail out through that door behind the bar. Yeah.

In Six Bay, some bains show up with a bain that has minor injuries and the doctor's like, okay, well, I'll get to that once I'm done fixing this guy right here that's bleeding out. A burn is not a minor injury, Ben. That guy was in great pain. He was burned. The other guys losing blood, Adam.

Why are you advocating for the Bane? I'm not. I mean, the Bane's advocate is this nurse who's like, hey, new policy, Bane's to the front of the line, no matter what. And he shuts off the doctor. It doesn't like, he doesn't want this lip at all. Yeah.

I mean, this is gonna piss off Alpha Bane, right? Because Alpha Bane is like advocating for, you know, patch these guys up and throw them back into the simulation every single time. And Nursbane is like, From now on, leave the wounded prey where they fall. What he's doing is indirect contravention of his orders. Are orders orders or orders not orders?

Order is orders. Yeah, that's what I thought. That's what I think. But he was only following orders? Where he's not following orders. Maybe he's good. He was only sent orders, where he's not following orders. Maybe he's good. He was only sent to take pictures. Ben, there's something missing from this scene that I know there's no time for, but

you're made to feel great anxiety through the entire episode because of the stakes. But pain is being talked about so often without seeing pain. Right. Like, if we whipped over to Ashmore and we saw, like, half of his face had been charred, uh-huh. That's an effective way to feel something else. Like, it's not just the anxiety of the stakes, but it's also the pain you're meant to endure in a wartime type of context. And that aspect is missing throughout both halves of this episode, I think.

It's interesting that you bring that up because that is the specific injury that the Bane extra that they bring in has. And we don't even get the sense that he's experiencing much Bane pain. Right. And if you got hit on the head, you don't even really know whether that would count as Bane Brain Pain. I mean, especially if that was a character that walked through a plate glass window, because then that's pain, pain, pain, frame. I read it's that we'll have to just put those words in a order that makes worse. Yeah.

The order you said the man. What should it be? Pain. Pain brain. Pain. Pain brain. Pain. Pain.

Pain. Pain. Pain. Pain brain, pain, pain. Yeah. Yeah. That gets delivered onto like a high floor of a building. It would be a pain brain, pain, pain, crane. No one is listening to this podcast anymore. We're just watching our down the numbers go to zero.

You know what? We just do it for us from now on. The last episode we had a little cameo from somebody named Nelix, the tolaxian. And we get to see a lot more of him in this one. He's out camping. He's doing some camping with some other klingons. They're getting dirt. The thing about camping with klingons is you can't expect to not just

sleep straight up in the dirt. Like there are no comforts to a klingon campsite. Oh, yeah, come on, an inflatable mattress is for patocks. You're lucky if you're not sleeping in the fire. Hahaha. These guys are really getting hammered, man. They are going at it. Yeah. Canelix is getting absolutely smushed on the blood wine

and they're all getting drunk enough to just fight with each other and they're supposed to be friends. They're, this is the eve of battle. I would definitely at least have a brood on the eve of battle. I would definitely at least have a brood on the eve of battle. I wouldn't want to go into battle with a hangover. Yeah.

I've started telling my wife when I'm like extremely drunk that I'm smushed instead of smashed, which is like an escalation upon smashed, which is its own thing. Right. Drunk smashed smushed is the scale and she loves that. Oh yeah it's like the color coded terror alert when we're going through the early 2000s like nobody's quite sure what any of it means but it seems to be important to someone in the government. We're kind of in orange a lot for some reason.

Yeah, it seems like we kind of oscillate between smashed and smushed. And we'd like to know, like, how freaked out we should be about those two things. Back on Voyager, Kim is making his way through a corridor when he encounters a Nazi, but he gets saved by Paris. He did not see that coming. Oh.

But it's not Paris. I mean, it's Paris who believes himself to be a American soldier. You speak English? Yeah. I speak English. Here's something I didn't imagine saying on our show, or in public, or ever.

I love the implied racism of this scene. Yeah, I sort of wondered how deep into that it would go, because there, I mean, there's suspicious of Kim because he presents himself as an American who is out of uniform, which does not compute. Right. But also, there is the like internment of Japanese Americans that like you could imagine

the character that Tom Harris inhabits, believing to be a good thing and that should apply to Kim. Like I sort of wondered if this episode was gonna entirely pull its punch about like World War II and the Nazis, because it doesn't get all the way there in this scene, but it does go pretty deep later. So, yeah, interesting moment.

Could you have passed the Betty Grable test? That's tough. No, I mean, I feel like you're kind of 50-50, right? Like what would you be staring at? Like implies that you're looking at the front of a lady. Yeah, so you can remove butt plausibly. Yeah. Unless she's got a great big butt that you can see from the front.

Yeah, unless she keeps it juicy, juicy, and eats that lunch. Uh-huh. But I don't think that guys in the 40s were really talking that way. Now, I don I think so either. Yeah, so. He passes the Betty Grable Test and gets to not get

taken prisoner or something. The Betty Grable Test is not anything like the best Dell Test, right? Yeah. Now I think a lot of people consider it to be kind of the opposite of the Betel Test. I don't know, I don't want to do it. Coffee, black, make it yourself. I'm trying to help you see this as an opportunity to grow.

Make it yourself. Janeway and Jicote are making their way through Jeffries Tubes on their way to Six Bay and kind of comparing notes about what it's like to be in command of a platoon or whatever. A heavy moment where Chico Te's character expresses something that Janeway really identifies with, which is I do anything for those guys, get them home safe. It's got to be a trip to here to Cote, talk like this while not being Chico Te, as if there's some of him in there somewhere. Yeah, and that was another thing from the last episode

that I wondered if we'd get explored more like are these neural interfaces, like not 100% effective? Are they like starting to fail as the simulations go on longer or longer or something? But it doesn't go that way. Instead, Janeway's like, okay, you're about to meet some real fucking weirdos.

There are eccentric people who live the caves, but don't be alarmed. They're weird. The biggest mental leap you need to take in this episode and maybe the whole season is that Chico Tay as US military officer does not freak the fuck out at seeing the scene around the campfire.

Yeah. Yeah. They come upon Nielix and his drunk cling on buddies who are initially extremely suspicious that somebody penetrated their perimeter and are talking shit like they know what the Klingon battle is, but they shout out houses that don't even exist. Captain Chicoete has crawled through 20 yards of Jeffries tube and pops out the other side, 20 light years from France. Like, he does not comment that he is so far out of town

that he's practically on a different planet and he's confronted by Canelix. Yeah. Sunroo Kapo-dajar. I guess my French is a little rusty. Canelix wants to like prove that you're not a cop kind of moment when he tosses the canteen full of blood wine to Chicoetay. But for some reason Chicoetay gets out of drinking

the blood wine, despite that being explicitly what the Klingons have challenged him to do. I hated this moment. Like I did not want her to talk him out of it and I did not want him to listen to do. I hated this moment. Like I did not want her to talk him out of it and I did not want him to listen to her. I wanted to cut back to a drunk chocote. Sounds great. Yeah, I wondered if that was the rare moment

of actual sensitivity to Native Americans expressed by this show, like the ugly stereotype of the drunk native being something that they didn't wanna get into. I did not think of it that way, but that's a really great call. Yeah, it's just a weird moment. Like it kind of made me wish that they'd like

swap Chico Te and Paris. Am I making any sense here? Just so that somebody could get super hammered on blood wine that was from the 40s and couldn't handle it. Does everyone know that blood wine is twice as strong as whiskey? When Janeway says this, I was like, whoa! I had guesses about its strength,

but I didn't know it was like that. Couldn't he just take a shot of it and be like, a little buzzed, but not completely fucked up. Like how? Yeah, Chicoete, you don't have to inhale. Like no one can see through the bladder of blood wine. Right, yeah, you could just make it look like you took a big drink. Yeah, yeah.

Maybe that's what he does. Maybe when she goes around the corner and wipes the moss away from the L-Cars display, he's persuading them that he's drinking a bunch of booze that he isn't actually. Wanted more of this scene. Yeah.

Well, Janeway finds a computer, uses it to cause the doctor to appear in there. The doctor is now like entirely in resistance mode because he's no longer allowed in six bay, which makes me think that there's a lot of crew members just bleeding out over the course of this episode because I don't think Nurse Bain is, you know, super helpful with those guys. Yeah. They're talking about, okay, we need to blow up the surgical console and we've got all these bumps

and we're gonna like climb through Jeffries tubes under the surgical console and set these bombs. I love the obstacle of, you know, I thought we could just blow up the console without needing to access it, but the idea of it being shielded, requiring someone to go into six bay, I thought it was a great alt. A great heightening of the tension, because that plan that they came up with at the beginning is not something that is just getting sorted over the course of the episode. It's like new hurdles are thrown in their way at every turn in this episode.

And that's a quality to war movie math, too. Right. Often the mission as accomplished ends up being very different from what is sketched out in that initial scene, you know? Yeah. So they've made friends with these klingons and persuaded the klingons that there's an even cooler battle that they could get involved with if they come with them. And we cut back to the village of St. Clair where the restaurant has turned into a sort of besieged spot where the

soldiers and the resistance are barely holding off the Nazis while they set up a machine gun in placement across the street. Tuvak is still suspicious of 7 of 9 here. He will not let it go. Yeah. She comes back alone and being in his presence and not in Janeway's presence is not great for her. Yeah.

And she doesn't have the social wear with all to get how dangerous her position is. Yeah. And like, when he's like, what are you doing? He's like, well, I brought this lunchpale full of German technology from their compound. That doesn't like smooth things over at all. But the descriptions and instructions are all in German.

And you're just able to use all of this stuff and know what it does. Huh. She's like, I studied German in high school. Yeah. Elsewhere in town, BLT's baby daddy and Tarange are taking cover. And he asks Carr for authorization to use nucleonic charges. This seems like an escalation to the thing.

And Carr from the bridge is like, no, what did I tell you before? Instead, I'm going to send you more hunters. Yeah. AlphaBane wants his, his holiday in good working order. He's not going to blow up the entire holiday just to win this war. And it also kind of comports with something he was talking about in the previous episode, which is like his interest in there being sort of an even footing between hunter and prey. Like, he doesn't think it's fun to hunt when you're just like completely outgunning your Prey.

So, you know, Betabane really looks like an asshole in this scene in front of his boss. It's no fun to play Madden football on Rookie. No, no, come on. You can go to the Super Bowl every time. It's not fun to play it on all Madden either. You just want something in the middle. Yeah, nice even challenge.

Right. The captain and Shikote make it to six bay and it was driving me nuts that they didn't just kill nurse Bain. I know. Like, why is Bay of this guy? He clearly sucks. He might be more dangerous

than most other Bains on the ship. Is it part of the K-Fabe of like, we have to follow the Geneva Convention or something like she would get shot by Chico Te if she was acting too crazy or something? Don't love that. Yeah. I don't love that unexpressed anyway.

I wish that they'd explained it a little further because I, you know, defensive ship felt like a totally valid reason to take this guy off the board. I love that Nurse Bain is like, you know, you could just turn on the safety protocols and really make my job easier. And Cara is like, I can't. He and Chico Tei go out the hallway. Chico Tei is like, you know, suddenly surprised by a bunch of bains coming around the corner and Nurse Bane runs back, shoots the captain and can't turn off the explosion before he explodes himself.

It is so weird to see firearms being deployed on a Starfleet vessel. Yeah. And to hear them and to see their effect, like when, when Jane, we get shot in the leg with a fucking gun. I just like, it just hits different. Yeah. I also just loved how well Kate Won't grew sold be like, oh shit, a guy just came in. I need to grab my gun and I like dropped it.

Yeah. Cause I grabbed it with the wrong hand. Like she doesn't know firearms that well. It's great. It's dropped it. Yeah. Because I grabbed it with the wrong hand. Like she doesn't know firearms that well. It's great. It's so good. Yeah. So this guy is off the board. It kind of made me wonder if everyone in six Bayes off the board. Like did they blow up a bunch of their own crew members or was that a more local explosion than it looked? Oh, that's it. It blew the door out into the hallway. That's a dark question. Yeah. Pretty cool they made a miniature of that door. Yeah.

And then blew it up on a studio backlight. Yeah. Cut in just fine. Right, got tickets that lock them, get them all a bit of parchment here. I got tickets that lock them, would not be selling a heist. Gold.

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Some of the Nazis and some of the other bains come in and take two Valkbjl, T7 and Paris hostage. And hostage is very much how they are described for the rest of the episode. The Nazis are famous for their treatment of hostages. Mm-hmm. Just follow the Geneva conventions to the letter. This is a scene that is notable mostly for BLT's condition, the condition of her pregnancy, because...

That's amazing to me. Because the holographic projection has projected pregnancy inside her body. Yeah. So that means in the other one, when the captain was the cling on, it was projecting pigment onto her skin. It was projecting a loaf onto her forehead. It's projecting a baby that you can feel kicking. I mean, at what point is it not a simulation and more like an actual recreation of a way of being?

This is like technology that Nathan Fielder could be using on the rehearsal. Oh, yeah. I mean, this is like technology that like a high school health class could use to weigh greater effect than trying to carry around a sack of flour for a week. Yeah, that sack of flour is not wet enough. Beta, Bane guys, like, all right, I'm getting ready to kill all the prey. Now that your little thing has failed and all of the neuro transmitters are down. And alpha bane is like, no, no, no, no, no, no, I need them, they're hostages,

and they're all the leverage we have to get these other guys to fix the ship up and turn this thing into the hologram hunting preserve that I wanna turn it into. So, you know, seal up that door and keep those hostages safe. And boy, beta baneangers like rolling his eyes. Yeah, the sucks. The sucks for him does not like.

I will say this for the hero gen Adam, they are convincing the Nazis not to kill people. Maybe if we had a few more hero gen around World War II, things would have ended up differently. Yeah, there is a pretty wild scene where Paris is like describing what Nazis are to Seven of Nine and compares them to the Borgs and says no offense. And she's like, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, don't mind being compared to a Nazi at all. Yikes, Seven of Nine. Yeah, when you don't mind being compared to Nazis, I think that's when you've lost the moral

high ground back on holiday two. We're told fairly early on two holiday programs are going the Klingon one and two, the World War two one and one. Yeah. And that's what's so confusing, right? Put World War two in holiday two. Whoa. Put the Klingon One in Holodeck One.

That's what they should have done because it's the Klingon One. So it shouldn't be in two, it should be one. Right. So Kineelix is in there feeling a little more like Neelix. Dr. Trumel. Now what? Yeah. And he warns the doc that you are not going to want to experience these klingons waking up hung over.

What are we going to do? Yeah, because they want to be led and canelix is the person that they imagine will lead them. Yeah, boy, they couldn't be more wrong. They're about to be very disappointed with neelix leading the way and the dot covering their flank, which is how the distribution of tasks go. I love the doctor like swishing the knife around in the air like you guys are going to get

what you asked for asking me to cover the flank. How many seasons ago was the doctor a brave night? It seems like forever ago and he's entirely forgotten. That was a long time. Well, up in Janeway's office, she's brought before Alpha Payne who has brought in some Netflix grade interior designers. I see you've done somebody decorating.

Car offers Janeway a side of hush puppies to go along with her fish and chips. We give you lots of reasons to love us. It's been her roganized and he's like, you know, like, I've got this great plan going. You're a very dumb prey. I've fought way better than you and I don't want to explain it to you. But I have this grand vision for the rogan and I need your ship to explain it to you, but I have this grand vision for the rogian and I need your ship to do it. So I'm, I just, like, what you need to understand is that I will kill everyone that I don't need to make this vision happen.

I have all the hostages I'm gonna need. And she's like, good luck, you fucking prick. We'll destroy this ship before we surrender it. What's great about Janeway is that she's always willing to hit the button and blow up the ship. She's like, that's cool. You have this insane plan, but I would rather die myself and blow up the ship. And so would everyone on the crew, then let you go through with this. And it's funny, like after saying this, cars like, but I still wanna tell you about my philosophy. I really want you to know.

I mean, she persuades him that he underestimates her and to his credit, he like reevaluates and explains his philosophy and she's like, you could have just asked, man, we could just trade technologies. Yeah. I admire what you're trying to do. For sure, hunt holograms and not people.

The bains are the binars. World War II is minuet. Y'all just want to fuck minuet. Yeah, that's what this whole thing is. Then like, take it from me. Wolf 359 is really gonna drive your guys wild. Like that's some crazy shit, right? There's nothing sexy about Wolf 359 though.

That is just a blood and guts battle right there. Yeah, it really is. I was very surprised that Janeway was willing to share technology with him. Like she's been so reticent to share anything with any alien that they've met, but I kind of feel like she is, has so little leverage in this scene

that it sort of makes sense. I want my ship back, but in return, I will give you what you need to create the holiday technology. So often, a deal like this is proposed, and it's immediately countered with, well, what's stopping the bane from killing her and the rest of the crew anyway?

Right. And no one says that. And I think that's intentional, right? You're sped through the end of this scene into the next. So you don't have time. Yeah, it also doesn't seem like the bane to really dedicated themselves to like the art of technology development and engineering the way a Harry Kim has. I kind of doubt that they could figure this all out.

Yeah, with how net based their decorations tend to art. Yeah. They're a real net and barrel kind of society. Yeah. Oh, it's just down at the net in barrel, getting some new rocks tumbler glasses for my home bar cart. I used to be into crafting, but the local net and barrel started giving to awful political organizations.

And now I just buy online. Not that that's any better. Yeah. So in the holodeck, Brigitte's Nazi boyfriend is starting to get a little impatient. He's like, I don't know about this whole hostage thing, beta bane. I think we should probably start whacking these guys. The common dot was in my office in the previous episode

and didn't exactly espouse flawless Nazi ideology. So I'm sort of wondering if we should start to question the orders he's giving. I love this scene. I wish we got more of them together because their tension is interesting and unintentionally funny. Like the idea that Taranj is at the bar

like drinking wine next to a boxer grenades, like bitching about his circumstances, just delights me. He's like the guy I have the most in common with is the bad guy in this video game. Yeah. Yeah. It's making me really hate my boss. have the most in common with is the bad guy in this video game. It's making me really hate my boss. It's really fun.

Seven of nine is told to sing or die in this scene. And it is a great scene for seven. She is such a badass here because she's like, not only no, won't I sing for you? I'm willing to die instead of sing. And not only that that once I'm dead My ghost will haunt you as the boring slowly assimilate your entire species It is so hardcore when that moment arrives Remember me seven is metal. Yeah, she's metal is hell

We do not get another singing number from Jerry Ryan in this episode. And she's sort of saved by the bell because AlphaBane calls down to Holodeck1 and tells BetaBane like, hey, great news. Made a deal with their captain. They're gonna give us their Holodeck technology. And we don't even need to continue with this war and fighting all the guys in the Holodecks.

So you know, wrap things up down there, broker a piece between the Nazis and the Allies, like we're gonna do a ceasefire and a drawdown. And that's your job. That's your marching orders, buddy. As long as everyone's on the same page, things are gonna work out great. And so everyone, like scatters,

and that leaves BLT's baby daddy and to Rogen here to discuss the aftermath. And this is his last chance to reject Kars order as a form of weakness, right? Yeah. Kars sucks. He's not gonna take the fight to the week the way we are. He's never embraced the fjora. He doesn't get it

but somebody that does get it is the SS officer who really speaks explicitly about the ideology of Nazis in a way that like movies and TV shows almost never do. Yeah, I was never do. Yeah, I was surprised and grateful for a scene like this. Like, this is what you want. This is the ideology made plain. Like Nazis are often depicted as cruel and we're supposed to take it for granted that they're villains, but like it's it's often through their kind of like cruelty toward characters that we are following that we understand their villainy. This guy like says the like ideological underpinnings of the villainy also and beta herogen is like this is what I believe to man like I can't believe the fucking bad guy in the video game is like reconnecting me with my own personal

raison d'etre but he is. We must be faithful to who we are. Do you find it unlikely that anyone from the 1940s could convince anyone from the 2300s of anything? I mean, like human or not, bane or not, it just seems like there'd be such an intellectual disconnect across centuries that this feels miraculous. But the thing is, like, Tarange was already ready to be tipped over. Like Tarange wanted this the whole time. He's looking for an excuse. Yeah.

And he's like, you may be about to have a cruel and primitive ideology. I was born here! Objection noted, we'll do this without you, you it. Get to do it! Get to do it! Objection noted, we'll do this without you, you it. Get to do it! Get to do it!

Get to do it! So, everybody's like wrapping up outside. All the soldiers are kind of walking around. They've really dropped their guards. Everyone's drinking, uh, root-root dogs together. If you drink enough of it, you begin to like it. They've really dropped their guards. Everyone's drinking root-brew dogs together. If you drink enough of it, you begin to like it. It's insidious. And it seems like it's going great.

The Americans are walking around the town like they own the place and not worried about getting shot at. Listen up, baby, all the war's almost over. And then suddenly, they're getting shot at. Yeah. But we don't get to stay in this scene where we're reminded that Canelix is still a thing where he rallies his drunken warriors and enlist them

in whatever the cause is. Yeah. At the EMH's urging Canelix gets a bunch of Klingon warriors ready to run into 1940s Europe and Batletz Nazis, which... Don't you wish maybe we didn't get this scene at all because this is such a transparent foreshadowing. Like, hey, don't forget about Canelix and these guys. Right. Only to bring them in heroically later, I kind of don't want this scene at all because I wanted to be even more of a surprise and a satisfying one at the very end.

It's a very like, I feel like every scene with Nelix is like, hey, remember there's Nelix. Yeah, and that's unfortunate. This doesn't really seem to like advance the story much at all. It's mostly there for comic relief. Like, you know, him pretending to be cling ony while bossing these guys around. Right.

Down in the engineering section, Janeway is working with AlphaBane about how to shut down all the simulations, and it's pretty complicated given how many hollow projectors are installed throughout the ship. But we're back to the thing that Kim was suggesting right at the beginning, which is overload the network and will dissipate all the holograms. And they're talking this through when Beethoven barges in with a rifle and shoots alphabane in the heart, or where I presume he keeps his heart. Twice.

Yeah. Pretty rugged scene. Double tap to the chest. I didn't believe he was gonna die until he was dead. I was surprised by this. Who is two? I'm surprised that Klingons don't make bulletproof armor. Yeah.

I'm surprised that Beta Bane got the gumption to do this. I'm surprised that Alpha Bane didn't, you know, pull out an energy weapon and shoot back at all. He's just so taken by surprise. The slowness that this scene unfolds in is part of what makes it so effective. Like, there's that pause after car dies where Jane weighs like, what are you waiting for?

And when Taran just like, your next step as my prey, I didn't believe Jane Wei was going to participate and run out of the room. I was surprised when she takes off. And then for much of the rest of the episode, he's like peppy lapu to her lady skunk. Like she's running around like crazy and he's like methodically searching the ship for her. That's going on. There's like fighting in the streets of St. Clair while the open decks of Voyager, Lume over everyone. Sefin is working on her super grenade that's designed to stop the hollow projections from working.

What sort of feels like the same thing is what Kim is working on, but just on a much smaller scale. Kim is up on the bridge working on that. Well, you know, Captain Janeway is like crawling through Jeffrey's tubes trying to get away from beta-bane. And it's like a eight minute countdown or something, like it's gonna take a super long time

for the plan to go into effect. Why is it eight minutes? I don't know. I never understand the utility of that. Yeah. What's the worst that could happen if it goes off too soon? I don't know.

Seven gets up ready to throw her bored grenade and catches a bullet in the chest when she does it. And the grenade explodes and it just erases all of the holograms around. And it made me wonder, does the bullet in her chest disappear when the grenade goes off? I mean, because there is no mention of her injury, because of this shot afterward, I kind of assumed that to be the case, but a bullet went inside her.

Yeah. It does not remove the damage of a bullet wound. Didn't seem like it would, yeah, it wouldn't save her life, but it maybe would help her a little bit, I don't know. I mean, also she's made of different stuff. That's true. That's true. As an XB. So, I mean, maybe it's not as lethal as we would assume. Janeway lays a pretty interesting trap for beta-bane, which is she's running down the hallway and sees where the limits of the hollow grid are because a corpse is lying like half in half out. And she conceals that reveal by pulling the corpse like into the bounds of the hollow grid so that when beta-bane comes down that way, his gun disappears out of his hands.

And she bonks him with a pipe and then picks up a gun and starts chasing him. And now she's got the upper hand. And now the prey has become the hunter. How much did you love the Star Trek version of War brutality by seeing this guy severed legs below the knee and having it just be the boundary of the hollow projector? Like what an elegant solution to the Gore problem, you know? Yeah, probably couldn't show that Gore on the syndicated show at that time.

But that is like a way that you experience war in a war film is that kind of injury. Yeah. It's really well done. So he comes around a corner on like one of the upper decks that looks down into holodeck one where World War II is and not where the Klingon one is. And he's watching Klingon warriors run through the streets of St. Clair using batlets on Nazis.

And Janeway confronts him with a rifle. His hand is over. Tell your entres to stand down. I'll use this if you force me to. And I love that she shoots him. He goes for her and she shoots him. I like it to see him fall off this high level. It's like a digital body falling, but that was really cool. Yeah, this is Kirk kicking the Klingon off of the cliff.

Yeah. Of the Genesis planet. She's had enough of him. Yeah. And that's when Harry's hollow emitter override goes. And all the bad guys disappear. The village does not. I was kind of expecting it to go to hollow grid.

Yeah. But it does not. It just goes to village. And that is the end of the the siege of St. Clair on the Voyager. Yeah. Pretty wild. The button catches us up on the fallout from this conflict. A truce has been agreed to by both sides, both the bans and the voyagers. And Janeway keeps up her end of the bargain in the cargo bay. They meet up and she's carrying a gaming PC and she gives it to the Bains. You know, it's got like the cool cut out on the side and it's water cooled for some reason.

It seems pretty dangerous to combine water and the computer, but there's like weird lighting inside it. It looks really neat. It does look really cool. I mean, it's like, I don't know if I could really count and spending like three grand on something that's for playing fucking Duke Nukem or whatever. Like I will save my money and buy a $400 console. Thank you very much, but you know,

you do you if that's what you're into. It's horsepower culture though, you know? It's like to a type of computer person, that is the hot rod. Yeah, and then they start calling themselves master race, and you're like, PC master race makes me very uncomfortable. And they're like, no, no, it's just about being into computers. And then you find out that a lot of them are actually

like alt-right freaks on the internet. And you're like, oh, huh. Interesting. Not all computer nerds been. Did you like this episode, Adam? You know, I'm really even to get along with post-review time. But I don't like bullet, I don't like bread, and I don't like you. I'm just too.

Yeah, I like the episode and I think doing large part to this final scene. It doesn't seem like this is gonna work. Yeah. But Janeway as diplomat is supreme. There's coffee in that holiday technology on your own vessels. She's honoring the deal that she had with Alphabet.

And like none of these guys knew about that deal. They're like, uh, what is this thing you're giving us? But it's almost like by showing deference and respect to the predecessor, she earns their respect or trust as it pertains to this deal. Yeah, totally. And they seem fine enough with accepting the gaming PC and fucking off. Even though it seems like as soon as they got back on their ships, they could just destroy Voyager. Yeah. It seems pretty crippled. Yeah, it doesn't seem like their ships are particularly great though, right? Yeah, maybe not. I mean, equal to Voyager, I guess, but they're outnumbered.

I mean, they took over Voyager. Yeah. But yeah. I watched the two halves of the killing game back to back. And I was surprised to learn that this was an instance where the episode's actual played back-to-back on TV when they came out. Oh, interesting. This is a same-night Voyager special event. Wow.

And I'm glad I got to consume it in that same way. I wonder if it hits differently if you watch it one week and then watch part two the next. But as one total package, I found it very satisfying. There were some logical things that fell apart in part two, like the whole seemed more apparent in what was happening in part two than part one. What seemed more apparent? The hose. Oh, okay.

I wasn't sure what you were talking about for a second there. was happening in part two than part one? What's in more the pain? The holes. Oh, okay. I wasn't sure what you were talking about for a second there. But the pace of story was so brisk that like you're just onto the next so quickly in a really effective way. It was, I mean, as a concept and as an execution, I thought it was great. It's one of my favorite two partners in Star Trek. I think it's right up there with Theor of Hell to me. It's interesting to learn that it played on one night because one thing we talked about

with Best of Both Worlds is that when they edited that together as one 90-minute thing and really sit in movie theaters for a special one night only. Like the main thing about Best of Both Worlds is a scene that is broken by editing it together. Yeah. I think this plays way better in, you know, as one 90-minute thing. I almost wish we'd reviewed it that way. Yeah. But, you know, then we would like probably make our advertisers mad, I don't know.

Yeah, we can't do mad. I don't know. Yeah, we can't do that. We can't screw up our production runway either. Yeah. We need every episode on the week that it's supposed to be out. Yeah, indeed. But yeah, I thought this was really terrific. And I think I like it more than year of hell. I feel like the killing game deserves a better, a higher place in the pantheon, than near of hell, which I thought kind of fumbled the end in a way that this didn't. I hope this isn't the end of the Bains either. I would like to keep encountering them

throughout the series up until the very end. I think they are a fascinating species. And part of my fascination with them is that they are so different, one kind of bains to another. Well? You never know what you're going to get with them. We'll see what we can do, Adam. Alright.

Alright, buddy. Why don't we go check out the priority one inbox for this episode and see what we got in there. Priority one message from Starfleet coming in on Secured Channel. Need a supplement on. supplement on. supplement. supplement. Yeah, it's extra.

The interest alone could be enough to buy this ship. Ben, we've got a couple of priority one messages here, beginning with one of a promotional nature. Oh, OK. And we actually have a script with this. OK. I'm sending you the sides. You have them?

Yeah, I just hate showing up at one of these things, and I see a bunch of guys that look like me, but are handsomer and have better agents in the waiting room, you know? Look, man, no one's got a better agent than we do. That's true. That's true. Or a better friend, Adam. Indeed. Don't try to make a copy of this script either. Oh, yeah, yeah.

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When I think about the next 11 years, I can only say, sounds great. PS, Ankylisaur, Ankylisaur, Ankylisaur. And we got that on the requested date. I love that we've got two sounds greats in a row. And I think it's a testament to Robert Beltrane that I feel like he is unimpressionable. I can't do sounds great as good as he does and I can't get it even close.

No, there's, yeah. It's an uncrackable impression code, I would say. Lot of imagery of things going into other things there from Rich. Yeah. Yeah. That's big fun. And congratulations on your 11 years together with Erica. things going into other things there from Rich. That's big fun.

And congratulations on your 11 years together with Erica. Yeah, sounds like a fun relish. Ben our final priority when message is from Phil from the past. And it is too Ben and Adam, that message goes like this. Hey guys, I'm sending myself a P1 from the past. I'm way back on P1 from the past. I'm way back on Season 7 of Deep Space 9 and churning my way through the end of the series before I jump on the void train.

I'll probably send another P1 when I get to the TGG episode where this P1 airs. Hopefully my pace picks up. By the way, congrats on the time off for Adam and the new baby for Ben and family. I love the order of that, Phil. Great order of congrats there. First congratulating me for my time off and then to Ben for making a person with his wife.

Yeah, how did Phil even know about that? If he's so deep in the stacks? That's a great question. I don't know. Someone tipped Phil off. Yeah, I guess so. Well, thanks to everyone who got a P1 and if you'd like to get one and support the show

while you're at it, you can go to maximumfun.org slash Jembo Tron and set one up today. Go ahead and get the winner. Hey Ben. What ahead, go ahead, go ahead, go ahead. Hey Ben. What's that Adam? Did you find yourself a drunk Shimoda? I'm a drunk Shimoda. I'm gonna give it to the captain

for fumbling the gun when she was in the, you know, at the surgery console in Six Bay. That is, we talk about act drunk, and that's like a thing that is hard to nail. I think fumble is a really hard thing to nail like making it look like you dropped something unintentionally and really selling that is a weirdly tricky acting challenge and it's like a moment where she's also getting you know grazed with a bullet so it's it's a tough moment for her,

but it's such a funny, like, ugh, my gun. Just conceptually. And the extent to which she nails it in execution is just great. So I think that's my drunks from Oda moment for the episode. How about you?

Interesting for a show depicting characters operating firearms that they're unfamiliar with, that there are no accidental firearms things happening. There's no accidental grenade drop, there's no accidental explosion outside of something that's caused by an external force, I mean. Yeah. Like everyone once they get the switch flipped,

still kind of knows what they're doing. When your gun is a key fob that's in your pocket, I bet you have to have just incredibly good trigger discipline. Yeah. Like it's just like a button that you could like accidentally set a pack of matches on and vaporize someone across the room. When the stakes are that high, yeah, that's a great call. Ben, my drunk Shemota is gonna go to Nelix

and mostly just for his usage, I feel like Nelix should be in this episode more. Yeah. He's given the hero turn, he and the Klingons, come to save the day at the very end, but there's something that feels unsatisfying about that moment because he's so tacked on in every other moment.

Yeah, it almost feels just like a, like, what if Nazis fought Klingon's, like, nerd speculation, like Batman versus Superman moment. I mean, I love seeing a Nazi killed by a Batlet. That's fun. I do really like that too. But. It was very jackable. I love seeing a Nazi killed by a batlet. That's fun. I do really like that too. But.

It was very jackable. But like it was, there was a limit to the good feeling, you know? Right, right. Like I feel like, I can't believe I'm saying this. I wanted more neilics throughout this two-parter. Yeah. I think that's apt. I mean, it was, it was a shame to have him just get used as punchline. Yeah. You

know, in the World War II prison camp movies, like the guy that can get anything is such an interesting guy. And that's kind of the utility of the Nielik character. And it would have been very interesting to see him put some of those skills to use in a World War II context. That's true. Yeah. Why don't we head over to Gach.biz-slash-game, Adam. I'm gonna tell you about season four episode 20, buddy. Hehehe.

It's an episode called Vizavi, an alien test pilot who has the capability of switching bodies, manages to take Tom's place aboard the Voyager in order to escape the Lair. He's on the run from the Lair. I go to greet Big Birdie switch. I switch from birdie to birdie.

I just say freaky birdie. Yeah, I guess it is. With the birdies. With the birdies. Ben, I run about his own square 40 at the game of buttholes. The will of the caretaker. Oh, that's where we left it. Couple squares ahead. Is the brown zone square? I wonder if we're gonna hit it.

Oh, I glimpsed that. You're required to learn as you play, roll. Do you glim glimpse the fullness of the Bronzeone Square? Let's find out. I glimpse that cocoa no-no that we could also hit. Bann, I have landed us on the Bronzeone Square. I take it here in charge.

Two liter bronze, one point, defense contingent. I gotta get a pump. That's it, get it. That is where we must communicate using glorified vory-tellings during the fullness of the episode. Fuck, people are gonna hate that. Also, like, 85 to 90% chance that we forget to do it because we are gonna be, this is the last thing

we were recording before paternity leave from a long break for Adam. So hey, if we don't remember to do that next week, forgive us, but maybe Wendy will remind us. Yeah, I like her chances of remembering more than ours. Well, if you want to glimpse that in its fullness, check back here next week. In the meantime, we got to thank Wendy Pretty for doing all of this great work to keep the show up and running while we have been away.

We've got episodes out for the people for a long time without you or I being there to lay them down. And that is largely due to Wendy's hard work and some special guest editors were bringing in and also something that is only possible because of the generous support of the friends of DeSoto. We are very lucky to have a job as silly as this that also can accommodate a break like this. So for everyone who has gone to maximumbun.org slash join

and set up a membership, thank you so much. I mean, it's the fullness of the Uxbridge Shimoda... ...org that makes the whole thing possible. True. Save that kind of talk for next week, though. I mean, we all worked extremely hard to make this happen, and I think it is because we all care about you having this time. And we are all... ...really excited about this new chapter in your life. And I'm so happy for you and your wife. I know you both are going to be great parents.

That is going to be an incredibly fortunate kid. Wish more people had parents like I know you and your wife to be. I'm just really happy for you guys. Thanks, bud. I'm just filled with gratitude right now for you and for Wendy and for all of the folks that support what we do in ways big and small. Grateful for Bill Tilly for running the social medias. Act greatest track on Instagram and Twitter.

Grateful for Nick Dittmore, who made our artwork. Grateful for Adam Ragusey at the goose who made our original B-Music, Dark Materia, who gave us access to the card song all those years ago. I'm a gratitude man today, buddy. Sure are. We'll be back at you next week with another great episode of Star Trek Voyager. And an episode of the greatest generation Voyager where Admi are maybe too high to remember how the Vory talked. Is that a part of this episode that I wasn't aware of?

We're also going to get very high. That's episode 420 baby. We don't have a choice. Oh shit, that's right! Okay, we got to remember. We need windy to remember. Yeah. You can't be right, you can't do it, you'll be caught up in you. You can't be right, you'll be caught up in you. Make it, make it, make it, make it, make it, make it, make it, make it, make it, make it, make it, make it, make it, make it, make it, make it, make it, make it, make it, make it, make it, make it, make it, make it, make it, make it, make it, make it, make it, make it, make it, make it, make it, make it, make it, make it, make it, make it, make it, make it, make it, make it, make it, make it, make it, make it, make it, make it, make it, make it, make it, make it, make it, make it, make it, make it, make it, make it, make it, make it, make it, make it, make it, make it, make it, make it, make it, make it, make it, make it, make it, make it, make it, make it, make it, make it, make it, make it, make it, make it, make it, make it, make it, make it, make it, make it, make it, make it, make it, make it, make it, make it, make it, make it, make it, make it, make it, make it, make it, make it, make it, make it, make it, make it, make it, make it, make it, make it, make it, make it, make it, make it, make it, make it, make it, make it, make it, make it, make it, make it, make it, make it, make it, make it, make it, make it, make it, make it, make it, make it, make it, make it, make it, make it, make it, make you