The Greatest Generation - Uncle Terrans (DS9 S3E19)

Episode Date: December 31, 2018

When Commander Sisko gets taken to the Mirror Universe, he makes strong choices w/r/t “the right thing to do” vs. “the Mirror Universe thing to do.” But when confronted face to face with his Prime Dead wife, his mission begins to suffer from a case of performance anxiety. Is the human brain capable of grappling with the sexual morality of multiple universes? Are the Pakleds in charge? Should we be getting more cut fruit in our diet? It’s a feel-good version of politics that you wish existed.

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I'm Adam Pranica. I'm Ben Harrison. This is one of those weird years Adam where two consecutive episodes line up on like days when nobody is looking for podcasts to listen to. Oh yeah. Christmas Eve and New Year's Eve. I'm looking forward to a statistical nightmare coming up. Yeah, this is by dint of how the dates lined up just lose our entire audience. I don't want people to get used to being without us.

That's no good. No, hopefully everybody needed to spend 15 minutes away from their families and used us to do that. Ben, I'll tell you how much people like us. People like us so much that they've been sending us things. Oh yeah? Stack of letters and packages here. Wow.

And a lot of things we've done a mail call, Ben. What do you think about that? I would love to, uh, to go through the mail with you. Captain, I'm sorry to disturb you. I'm receiving a code 47. Verify. It is code 47, sir. Start lead emergency frequency.

Captions eyes only. Ben, I'm going is Code 47, sir. Stockly emergency frequency. Captions eyes only. Ben, I'm gonna start with these cards. I am, I come from a card's first family. What about you, when you get a gift, you get to open that card first, right? There's definitely a math you do, and a gift giving scenario, like a Hanukkah or a Christmas morning where you know

that there's probably like one really good one in the pile somewhere and you don't want that to be first. So you have to kind of like read people's poker faces to see whether you're doing it wrong. So putting the cards all up top is a great way to you know build some safety to your gift opening process. Ben, I should say off the top, there is a larger than normal frequency of letters slash packages that are coming to us from the Australia New Zealand part of the world. Wow, maybe a ship just put in and all of these letters were on it.

This first letter is such a letter. It's from Amy Break. It is a Christmas card with a past out Santa on the cover. Letter goes, dear Ben and Adam wishing you a very Aussie Christmas. Thank you for all of the laughs and for creating a community of people who have given me much joy. Oh. F-O-D. Amy Brick.

Thanks, Amy. Oh, man. Enjoy your Christmas barbecues and beach trips. That sounds nice, right? You get to do that being an LA? No, but I mean, they're like, they're like on the other side of the equator, so it's properly summer for them. LA has like basically the same weather all the time, but I mean they're like, they're like on the other side of the equator so it's properly summer for them. LA has like basically the same weather all the time, but in the winter it's a little bit cool in the morning. That's amazing!

Next letter comes from Sarah and James. Oh, Ben, this is a save the date. Oh wow. Oh, I got this, I got one of these. Yeah, hey guys, remember us were the couple who proposed and accepted as P1 messages on Greatest Gen DS9. But you thought we were all bluster when we invited you guys to the wedding via email and said the Ben should officiate.

Well guess what bitches. What for real? I don't know why just I would officiate. I think that's the rule, Ben. They want you to officiate and I'm very comfortable with that What are you the DJ at the party afterwards? Now I'm I'm an attendee Enjoying a dinner and a drink. I think they grit. I want to say our LA show and gave me a I saved the date as well. Pretty cool real sweet couple. Yeah, very nice. Let me know how you RSVP.

I'll make sure I do the same. Okay. I'll find a way to go. All right, got a letter from grapevine Texas. grapevine Texas, hello. We've got Ben for the full hour. Here's a piece on Earth, holiday card with a doggo on the front. I do like a nice dog holiday card.

Got a couple of messages here from, one from Dan, one from Brian. Dan says thank you both for another year of awesome pods and for a phenomenal live show. Hope you all can make it back to DFW in 2019. And then Brian follows up with you guys. You're awesome beyond words, not only do you make me laugh inappropriately at work, but I've also made a legion of friends through your viewers Thank you for your penetrating pod that explores the deepest of space but holes from Brian. Thanks Brian and Dan

Thanks That was a really fun show in Texas. And I hope we get to go back someday. Yeah, you mean both. We're moving up in size, Ben. Those are a card-sized envelope. So what we have here, it's maybe a 24 by 12 by six size box. Oh, that's a big one. It's from our friend Brittany in Minneapolis, Hey!

So, you know, I could have pre-opened these before the show to save time. No, more fun this way. That's not what I do. Oh, Ben, there's two boxes. They're like, there's one for you and one for me. Oh cool. Brittany prescribes to the thing that my wife does about presents, which is like, if you don't put ribbon and a bow on it, your wrapping job is incomplete. One card, two boxes, I've opened the card and it is a quark, the herald angel sing. Christmas card, it's made by Heather Bachman like this this card is and it's a it's great message goes like this Ben and Adam tis the season for delicious treats and tasty eats the greatest exo cook would like to wish you

both happy holidays for bringing such joy to our lives we would like to present you with your very own exo-cook aprons, wistley scarves, handmade by Brittany R, and straws. Wow. To whomever receives this, you have permission to open both packages. Oh, hey, that's me, right? I'm opening the atom package first. And as described, we have a greatest exocook apron. It is red, it has been screen printed with the exocomp and a frying pan with an egg in that frying pan. The exocomp also wearing a chef's hat.

I love this, this is a subculture of friends of Dissoda who are into cooking. I'm formed a group around that. I might get a Facebook account just so I can join that group. Oh no! There's no going back then. Yeah, I can't go back. Uh, the Wesley Crusher scarf is really beautiful. What are we talking about?

Is it knit? It is knit. It's handmade by Brittany R. Yeah. Wow So beautiful and last but not least there is a crazy straw in here That is customized to say oh no In the in the style of of yours truly it is awesome Wow, all right. I'm, I'm opening Ben's package. Oh, your straw is about two feet long.

And it says, fuck you, Adam. Because it's incursive, it's a little hard to make out, but yeah, that's it. It kind of looks like a great straw for drinking a little hard to make out, but yeah, that's it says. It kind of looks like a great straw for drinking a fucked up margarita bin. I really want to, I want to do that in front of you while giving you double finger birds. I need to send you a picture of this, it's pretty great, I'm going gonna jacking lower you the straw. Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha gift and you're like, oh boy, this is gonna be a good thought. But these are great hand-made gifts. I feel like there's gonna be an entire drink worth of drink in that straw by the time it gets to my mouth. Yeah, you're gonna have to maintain suction, Ben. I don't know

how. I could suck a golf ball through a garden as Adam. Ben, our final two packages are in poster tubes. They are large poster tubes and let me tell you something. Like each way like 20 pounds. Oh kidding. I do not believe there are posters inside. What's it gonna be? Are they from the same sender?

This came from New Zealand. Doonidin. The Neetin. New Zealand. Both of them did. Whoa. from New Zealand. Doonidin. The Neetin. New Zealand. Both of them did. Whoa. So this must have cost $11,000 to ship here.

He should have just given us the money. Yeah, you know what? We would have done a show in New Zealand for that. We'd come to you. They did a thing where they taped a card to the tube itself. So right now I'm exacto-knifing that card from its tape. Let it go like this. Dear Ben and Adam, work troubles, daily traffic, new baby woes, late nights in the car,

Trump. You've been there through all of it and I'm so grateful. I'm similarly grateful for my amazing adoptive country Being an expat rule see puts in parentheses. This is why you're both receiving six matching 330 milliliter cans of the best that this place has to offer Ticement to come visit us and to bring your show here to New Zealand and Do yourself a favor and make sure to visit the South Island.

Oh, he gave me a pronunciation key. It's pronounced done Eden. Ben Dunney didn't is definitely wear it at much love. And thanks for helping make our 2017 convention in Hobbiton a huge success. This is from Paul! Oh! I remember this. Yeah, was there, was there not a priority one message about it? There was, I remember reading it. Yeah.

Hey, that's great. Ah, cool. So what Paul sent us are two bazooka to full of the best beer that New Zealand has to offer. That's great. I think we've got to go to Dunedin. Yeah, do we? The gauntlet has been thrown. We need to pick it up.

We can be bribed. This is a great way to do it. Thanks to one and all for sending us some nice packages to brighten our day. That's really generous and cool, you guys. Yeah, seriously, thank you. Ben, one place that isn't so bright is the Mirror Universe. Yeah, what do you say we pursue this episode?

This episode, 19 of season season 3 through the looking glass. Ben, I had such high hopes for this episode. I think much like, what's the sobriety center that you go to that they, what they do to get you sober is they, they give you all the booze you can possibly handle to make you sick off of it. Oh God. There's one of those places in Seattle. Yes. I feel like my love for the Mirror universe has been done like that by through the looking glass.

I got all I could handle, and now I have no taste toward anymore. You feel your sick of it? Yeah. It starts on a fun note. I mean, it's a bowl fighting McLaughlin group. Is your wand? Blah, blah, blah.

In Cisco's office and. Last episode, Quirk was committing a felony and trying to procure Biomimetic gel. This episode he's been caught doing animal cruelty with more than his accomplice. When Ferringi is your look like there is no bad look for Quirk.

Right? It's just all the same. Every one of these that goes by I wonder how they ever imagined he would be a sympathetic character after that point. It works a lot like Shatner works with Kirk. I think Arm and Jim are men is so great. And so charismatic that you kind of have to love him.

He's like the baby from dinosaurs, right? Right. The punishment for bullfighting is the confiscation and removal of the voles. Ben, my question for you is they're euthanizing those voles, right? Like they're just shooting them out of an airlock. Yeah, he says get them off the station. Yeah. Which, I think we know what that means. Yeah. I mean, voles, back on the menu, boys. I mean, I guess this makes sense though, right? Like, it's better to humanely kill an animal

than to subject it to a life of cruelty. And by keeping them alive, they're just gonna reproduce, right? Yeah, stations got it. Major vole problem. You can't spay it or neuter a vole. Yeah. They're too little. Not quite sure why this would be happening in ops,

but it is. You can't confiscate Moan's voles, they're like his pets. Odo takes quirk off with him as Chief O'Brien. I am Chief Biles and we're no Brian. This is fucking spectacular. In his civils, hops off of the elevator. Yeah, it's great to see Chief O'Brien, like always welcome in any situation. Yeah, it is. It's like he's ready to maybe happen a runabout and go back to Beisur, maybe visit his wife.

Yeah, he's got a little swagger in his step. He gives one of those like head nods to the commander. Like, don't you follow me into the corner. We talk about something a little bit He gives one of those like head nods to the commander like, don't you follow me into the corner. We talk about something a little bit just between you and me. He gives him that famous chief O'Brien head nod. I guess he was just waiting for Odo to not be there anymore, right?

Yeah, yeah, I think that's the move. O'Brien whips out his pistol and also a glowing beer can. And until Cisco is coming with him. Yeah. And no one approaches the two because of pistol. He waves the beer can over a station in Ops. He asks the computer to transport them away on his signal and then he does.

In pretty short order. They gone. Was the outside of the spaceship that they cut to CG? And if so, is this the first time we've seen a CG spaceship on Star Trek? I don't know. Because there's a shot of it later of this ship that definitely isn't CG, but this shot I kind of thought

might be. That's sure. I would assume that if you're sure the second one is a model then the first one should be two, just for efficiency. Yeah, but I wonder if it's like an experiment. Like can we sneak a CG shot in, will people notice? Kind of a thing. I thought it really looked like a cool shit more than anything.

Yeah, it's definitely like kind of an aerodynamic design. Like this one's made to do some in-admissive maneuvering. O'Brien attempts to do exposition on Cisco and it fails utterly because Cisco has already guessed the situation. I'd say that this is the same parallel universe that two of my crew members visited a year ago. He's in the mirror universe. That saves me having to give you a history lesson. He's the guy who guesses the Wheel of Fortune puzzle with like an E in it. Fan of vanity of the bonfires.

This is the first indication that we've got a little too much star trek and a little too small of a pack here. And it is this feeling that pervades the rest of the episode, like correct conclusions being jumped to repeatedly, that just make you kind of scratch your head. Because not only has Cisco surmised the Deez and the Mirror Universe. In very short order, O'Brien has shared the story of Mirror universe Cisco's death and the need for his replacement. And Cisco is on board.

Yeah, it's sort of like the movie Dave, but... Ha ha ha ha ha. But if the president goes... It's all he is! Ha ha ha ha ha. That's great. Yeah, let's say the cover is just a picture of Cisco with like a suitcase showing up at the White House. You know, the scene at the end where they stay up all night

slashing the Rebels budget in order to afford the education bill is really heartwarming. You knew they could do it if they just tried. It's a fuel good version of politics that you wish existed, like the West Wing. So this fucking mission involves, like the hook, the thing that really gets Cisco is the mission is to prevent a scientist from developing

a sensor technology that would reveal rebel positions inside the badlands. And the badlands are this smoky part of the universe that obscures all the ships inside. And the rolling timpani sound of the moment occurs when this scientist is revealed to be Jennifer Sisko. Jennifer. The wife that Sisko lost in the first episode. Yeah, this is pretty devastating news to one Ben Sisko, but we don't get to soak in that feeling for long

because we cut almost directly to Inquisitor Kira in that post-orgy refractory period where you want to eat a bunch of cut fruit and just relax. She's kind of luxuriating in the lap of a man. So much of the action is happening with Kira and what she's saying, but you can't help but look at this guy and his head and the frame and where he's looking and how hard he's trying not to draw attention to his own face. That feels like such a difficult challenge for a, well, we'll just call him a background actor

if even if he's not. Yeah, he's a bit of all right. He's clearly made some big gains, Ben. So we, we see Jennifer Sisko, it's not just the reference to her that O'Brien gives, Ben Sisko, I mean, she's on the scene and she's talking to Kira and giving her an update on her progress with this

Science project. I kind of wish she was saved for later. Yeah. This is one of the criticisms I have of this episode is they start with her and I mean, I'm just gonna say it not a strength of the episode is the Jennifer Sisco character. I think it's not this actor's fault. I think it's that she's written to be sort of ground down by life. And so the kind of flat affect of the character is kind of hard to get out from behind. She also has a really strange widow's peak going on. Oh, you think she might be a day walker? I don't think this is the actor's hairline. I think they added widow's peak.

It's a widow's peak loaf. Wow. It is, it is, Ben, because I'm looking at her IMDB. And yeah, like she has a regular person's hairline but Yeah, and in the mirror universe she's been Adam's family Anyways, she's very chilly. She's a a rare human that has a job and prospects in the current political situation. And the goal here is that Cisco is going to try and talk her out of this, but she's currently

working for Kira. O'Brien has taken Cisco to the Rebels underground layer. Yeah. And there he finds a Mira Universe ROM and a Mira Universe 2Voc. Yeah. And a Mira Universe Bishir, who looks like he belongs in a Michael Landon convention. He's really got a lot of party in the back.

I didn't get why Ram had the gun out the entire time. They're having their evil McLaughlin group. And he's like got a rifle with him the whole time. It's also just like really weird vibes in this rebel group, like especially when Cisco comes in rebel group, like, especially when Cisco comes in, because you know, he and Smiley come in and kind of surprise everybody with, hey, turns out rumors of my death were greatly exaggerated or whatever. And it's like real rowdy and like, and jocular in a way where I was like, what is this? A rebellion or the bikers in that bar that P.W. Herban goes to?

Every scene in this episode that featured the rebels kind of gathered around really played to the back row. Yeah, they're all just like, they're all just like, I'm like, all of the physicality of it is very big. The gestures are big. It's a very community theater acting in these scenes, you know? Yeah, it's like a mirror universe choice, I guess. The actors are totally invested in the idea that they too are mirror universe actors.

Yeah, yeah. Just be as evil as you want to be. We also get to see mirror dacs who has a pretty dramatically different look in this universe. She of the tight white t-shirt clan also is clearly still a dax. She's unlike Prime Universe dax in many ways, maybe the main way is that Cisco wants to fuck her and then unequivocally does. And does not really fight it all that much. It's a weird thing to think about. This is like 10 minutes into the episode, Ben.

The human brain isn't built to grapple with moral choices of this magnitude, you know. Does it count if it's mirror universe? That's sort of an interesting question. Like, does he have mirror universe hall pass? The scene at the end of the episode should have been him and Dax at the replicator the next day when he's back in prime universe. And he's just like fucking melting down,

trying to be around her and not have it be weird. Especially because this episode is clearly meant to be fun and winky a little bit. That is a scene that I feel like would be so necessary. That one you just wrote on the spot. Like, give us that part. That's the slide whistle this episode needs. Yeah. We cut back to Teraq where Garek is reporting in.

Folks will remember that he has the uniformed Cardassian second in command to Kira's first in command position. And he's in trouble because like the ore processing isn't going that well. He kind of calls Kira on her mood. He says that he's noticed an ill-humor in her. And I was like, pretty unprofessional. Ill-humor, that's our brand. Why is Kira on our territory? Yeah, I thought we cornered the market, right? But it is shown and not said that she is really missing Cisco and is still under the impression that he's dead.

It's not just the slaves on the labor side that are suffering. I mean, there are clearly problems at the top of the production here as well, right? Yeah, it's hard for them too. You know so often you just can't understand the problems of an executive. Yeah, the real stresses. Listen, I've got three mortgages to pay. I got two girlfriends and a wife on the side. I have expenses. That hangers not going to pay for itself.

We do a fair bit of cross cutting between the scene on Terrock Noir and the Underground layer. The rebels are hip to the plan to save Jennifer Sisko. Like here's the thing. Benzisco needs to either squirrel Jennifer Cisco off of Cherock-Noir so that the science can't happen, or he's got a killer. What needs to happen is this science not happening

so that everyone who's hiding out in the badlands remains safe. Yeah, and I think he's just kind of overcome with a generalized sense of guilt after having sex with dax So he's like I can't kill her. I just can't do it. I feel like I've already done too much That's the right time to ask for a favor though and that refractory period like That's when O'Brien should have popped in and and laid the mission on to him, right? Yeah Hey, don't mean it interrupt

Here's a here's a bowl of cut fruit and also a mission. Yeah, and so there's a medium amount of acceptance of this mission among the clan. The pushback really comes from Bishir. Yeah, he's definitely on team blow it up, kill them all. And that's a pretty tentable position in this group. But they resolve the disagreement by a Fisticuffs, there's a scene where Bashir is just ranting at Cisco and O'Brien gets in Cisco's here and it's like,

Punch him, punch him. This technology felt a little lowest-coma denominator to me because like, O'Brien deviled on the shoulders, Cisco, quite a bit in this app, and I kind of had hoped that stuff like this would be done with more of a glance. Yeah, like remember to be evil can be implied and not actually said out loud.

Especially because like they're all in the same room. And O'Brien does not use a kind of soda Vote whisper to Cisco. He basically tells him to punch him and he does. Yeah, Bashir knows he said something to him if he doesn't know what he said, but everybody else would have heard what O'Brien said. Yeah, a little bit of a problem.

Hey, Bashir, after, uh, now that they're gone, get a load of this. When you were yelling at Cisco, O'Brien's told him punch him. That's what you would normally do. O'Brien's like, that's not what I told him. I was like, oh, sorry, we learned him, girl. Ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, and then I danced to, uh, to Tequila, and we were all pretty good friends after that.

Ben, one thing that's also a problem is that ROM is working both sides. Yeah, ROM is a, uh, double agent. There's a, uh, a pretty amazing site gag in this episode that actually got an out loud laugh for me, which is, he's giving the information dump to Kira while she's topless laying belly down on a table, receiving a massage. And the massage hands are like in soft focus in the foreground when Ram says,

but I could tell you how to get your hands on them. And there's literally hands playing over our back. That's fun. It's very weird. That's just great. Yeah, but Ram is going to, is going to betray Cisco to, to Kira. I thought that that episode did a pretty good job of like planting this concern,

but then throwing us off the scent a little bit because when Cisco arrives He's suddenly acting like like getting Taken prisoner was his idea the entire time and you know thrown his weight around like very very self-assured and I sort of imagined that What rom gave them was his position in space. So when the like, the like, Klingon battle cruiser decalokes.

Right, right. That was it. And then Cisco was kind of overcoming it, but that shoe has not dropped yet. And I thought that that was like some good writing. Yeah, that's a good call. I mean, O'Brien, they're in transit to Taraknoor, and O'Brien tells Cisco on their way there, like not to get his hopes up about what Jennifer Cisco may be like in this universe, and that's at the point

when they get pulled over by a couple of alliance cruisers. You know, Captain Cisco would try to fight his way out of this. So they help them get to Taraknoor, that's pretty nice. Yeah, Cisco locks off the transport and just lays one on Kira, which is another one of those things that is just weird and in the Congress to see. It's got to be, you work with someone for three seasons before there's ever even a width of this kind of relationship. I think you probably get used to your professional interaction being a certain way.

Yeah, and there must be instincts that you develop in how your character relates to the other character that have to be overcome in a scene like this. I would imagine that there is a high degree of difficulty in this. One thing the character of Ben Sisko overcomes is any sort of reluctance to fuck Kira. So he's now two for two, like kind of a great day for Ben Sisko. He's going for the hat trick.

Did he, you think he took a shower in between? Hi. It's the polite thing to do, but is it the mirror universe thing to do? It is not. Yeah, he's stink-dogging it. Yeah, he gets sent off to the Budwa. Smiley is not so lucky. He gets sent down to ore processing.

A lot less sex and ore processing a bit. It's just as sweaty, but not as sexy. It's more of a masturbatorium, really. But Cisco does get to meet Jennifer. Garak brings her in and it's a touching reunion, Adam. Yeah, because what you want to do if you're the alliance is stick maybe your most valuable asset in a room alone with someone who's... Those allegiances are uncertain. Yeah, exactly. Like, what the hell?

Are people in the Mirror Universe also dummers in Prime Universe? I kind of think so. Because there's no way Prime Universe is a Garek would allow this to happen. I mean, if we were following the logic that if you're smart in the prime universe, you're dumb in the mirror universe, then the packlets would be in charge because the bit would have flipped on them. That would have been so fucking great. We look for people, people to be our slaves.

What if the packlets in the mirror universe are like the borgs? Or like they're just, they're gatherers but of a very effective emotional way. That'd be fun. They're just a force of nature, you know? Yeah. Ben the scene with Jennifer Sisko and Prime Universe Sisko is an example of what you referred to earlier, which is, I do not believe this is Felicia Bel's fault as an actor, but boy, her lift is incredibly difficult, dialogue wise, and it's this scene that is really the centerpiece of that for me. We know that Avery Brooks is capable of elevating

actors he acts with too, and I think it is very telling that he is unable to do that in the scene with her. I think the challenge here is that they are meant to not know each other. Yeah. And he's arguing with her and she keeps calling him unlike the premises of the arguments he's making. And that's because like he doesn't know what his previously stated positions are because he's not the person he's claiming to be. He doesn't have a Brian on his shoulder. Tell him to punch her. Right. I actually think the scene kind of works if you think about it that way.

They're working at cross purposes and feel like they should know each other, but don't actually. To me, the thing that clanked in the scene wasn't that their relationship was incompatible based on the dialogue they were delivering. To me, I mean, this scene suffers for its terrible dialogue. I just think, I think that's what happened here. Okay. Well, that's just like your opinion, man.

She doesn't believe Cisco's bullshit and he says that he's changed. It's that kind of melodrama too, right? Like, there are issues bigger than them happening and they use this time to talk about them. Yeah. There's not enough time. You have no right to talk to me like that. She pushes back. She's like she doesn't have her own agency. Like her comforts come from the alliance that she works for, even though she has mixed feelings about that. And Cisco makes the case that she'd have agency over her own life if she'd just joined the rebellion. Here are your own people, Jennifer. He makes the case that she's maybe more physically comfortable, but perhaps worse off than the people that actually know

that they're slaves. Like, she's talked herself into the idea that she has agency when she really has none. And I thought that that was a pretty intense point of the argument. She's like, look man, when you're an executive, you get to make all these decisions at a really high level. Like you get these people's lives in your hands. You don't understand the pressures that I'm under. If I don't have a $100,000 car,

people won't understand that I'm successful. And so I have to bear that expense. They have to pay me $60 million a year. Otherwise, I'm just gonna leave the company. It's worth it. The scene is super long. It kind of felt like maybe they had two scenes and like there was supposed to be some time

in between them because he says like think about it. In a way that sort of seems like they're gonna table it for now. But like two minutes later, he's like kicking through the door and like dual wielding, clinging on disruptors and stuff. I do like the John Wu escape scene. That kicks out here, that's fun.

There's a temptation to dual wielding, but you can't rub gun oil on, you know, you can't do gun maintenance when you're dual wielding. Yeah. So that's got its downsides. Cisco leaves the room and finds a horse. Try's not to spook it. It's a cling on.

Ha ha ha ha. That's a good attack. So Cisco is tapped on the sub-dermal communicator. It stimulates the part of the brain that releases natural endorphins. And it gets in touch with O'Brien who then hot wires a hatch inside the ore processing center to get a door open. And so the escape is on. Yeah, and he, O'Brien gets a bunch of the other Terran slaves in or processing to come with him.

And they kind of meet up, mid-escape with Cisco and Jennifer, who are, you know, kind of in the back hallways, like coming around corners and there's like cardacians and klingons that pop out and shoot at them. It's a very Star Wars-y in-bite, isn't it? Anytime you're shooting down a hallway. Yeah, it really. That's Star Wars. Yeah, there's a lot about this episode that feels Star Wars. I feel like some of the sets that they built felt more Star Wars-y than normal.

Yeah. They're headed for an airlock. I guess the ship that they are planning on leaving on. And when they get there, they find MU ROM and he's been impaled against the door of the airlock. Stick around. He was hung there like a prime universe dartboard. I was hoping they would find his body with the head crushed under the gear to the ship, like the docking. Oh, that would have been fun. Yeah. That would have been great.

A little too gory. That would have been real, Narley. Yeah. How hard does it seem like it would be to stab something into the material on that door, though? Very difficult, I bet. Holy shit. Yeah.

He should be more fucked up, given the physics of a sword or whatever that is going into that door. He should be event horizon, play-doping, by the force it would take to do that. You're right. Yeah.

Ben, one thing, a hallway laser beam fight affords you is the opportunity to monologue. Yeah. That is an opportunity that Kira takes. It was very clever, Benjamin. Yeah, she's got her United Colors of Beneton of Cartesian's, Klingons and Bedurans. She's got Terence, too, doesn't she?

If it's part of that security team, I can't live that way. Uncle Terence, too, doesn't she? If it's part of that security team, I can't let that away. Uncle Terence. Ding! Wonderful. Yeah, and the math here is basically like, what if we give Jennifer up and Jennifer just makes a point of not finishing her research? Like we could do that.

I thought that seemed like a pretty reasonable strategy to pursue. I thought so too. I was on that team. But that is not what they do. And they kind of disappear down the hallway. There's a pretty funny moment where, you know, on the count of three, come out with your hands up and there's just kind of like smoke dissipating down at the end of the hallway.

And my favorite line of the episode comes from Garrick when he orders his troops to move out. Pursue! That was so unintentionally funny. That was great. It sounded like something out of the first warcraft. Like when you ordered someone to chop down wood, and they would say like, zugsug or something. Right. So they had back to ore processing, which has an airlock for some reason. That wasn't

really clear on why that would be. But they say it's like the only way in or out and they kind of just barely get the doors closed before the baddies show up. And it turns out to just have been a stalling tactic. And Cisco uses the intervening time to set self-destruct on the station computer because the password on Tareknor and the Mirror universe just so happens to be the same as the password on DS9 in the prime universe. It's amazing, I got the same combination on my luggage.

So he gets root access, turns on self-destruct, changes the root password. And when Kira and her bad guys come in, you know, he's got her dead to rights. He's got the thermal detonator in Jabba's palace. Would you say that Prime Cisco is elite hacks ore here? Or was it password too easy? And he doesn't get that kind of credit. It's like in the movie hackers. Her password was God because she thought she was like the the awesomest cis admin out there. In the Mirror universe,

the way that MiriSusco got his job was exactly like Hugh Jackman got his and the movie Swordfish. He had to get a hack into Teraq and Warwall getting a blowjob. Come on, Stan. You know, because Mirror universe is sexy. Yeah.

Kira looks deeply into Siskos eyes and can tell he's not bluffing. And so they do that trade. Cisco's like, you gotta let us out of here and then I'll give you the codes. And then Kira counter offers with give us the codes first and then we'll let you go. And then Cisco's like, what kind of idiot do you take me for? I'm not a Mirror Universe Cisco here. Like I'm actually smart. I'm not gonna give up all my leverage in this negotiation.

I mean, I'm not stupid enough to have a casino go out of business. Hahaha. Also, make sure there's some cut fruit on the ship we leave on. Hahaha. My bonus to private is that it's an apparel. A bucket of pay. Mr. Bucket, I have to reverse back to my dead state. ape, I'm a fucking ape. Mr. Bucket, I have to revert back to my dead state. Oh, I don't use the bucket anymore.

So they get to go. I really liked the way Cisco kind of milked this moment. Like, he wasn't just like sprinting out of there. The second they had a deal, he really kind of like takes his time kind of like, all right, we're leaving. Here we go. Back on the rebel planet,

Jennifer is safe and sound, or safe and sound as anyone can be on a rebel planet inside the badlands. On this crazy, crazy planet. But she knows that Cisco isn't her husband, and this has been an imposter all along, because he's too nice. Yeah, there was that moment where she kind of noticed right?

Mm-hmm, and I think that was in the scene where he's in the standoff with Kira You see you see Jennifer realize that he's not who he says he is Yeah, and she she's like admit it, you know admit who you are or tell me who you are really and I thought that was a pretty interesting moment because like the potential number of things he could be in this world is, you know, it's a pretty long list, you know, he could be a shape shifter or,

you know, he could be anything. Cisco walks right up to the opportunity to hat trick the day. Like, you know he's got to be thinking about it, right? walks right up to the opportunity to hat trick the day. Hahaha. Like, you know he's got to be thinking about it, right? Hahaha. Like, this is the moment. He doesn't have to go back right now.

O'Brien has the technology to wait 40 minutes. Yeah. But no, this just goes like, take me home, I'm too tired. Hahaha. These pipes are clean! That's it for him, he's done. He's gonna go sleep for a couple of days. It's tantalizing the idea maybe to have one last go with my wife.

That's the button. But boy, there are a number of buttons that would have been better here. One being the one you dropped earlier on the ep and another one being like a real moment of pause where he could like we're being silly and gross with the idea but like God if your wife was dead and you had a chance to make love with her one last time like wouldn't you at least think about it? He doesn't even think about it, and that's a problem, I think. Yeah, it's said that there isn't any romance element in their relationship in this.

Or if not a romance element, like the element of them, like both feeling it really strongly, but also knowing that it's not the same person and therefore like resisting it. Yeah, I mean, it didn't stop Cisco twice earlier that day. It was the same person that he knew. Yeah.

And if anything, that was an attraction. Yeah. Did you like the episode, though, Ben? I did. I think that you maybe had more problems with it than I did. I was stated by us against the Mirror universe, but I feel like this was as well done as a Mirror universe episode has been typically.

So, yeah, no complaints here. I thought it was a pretty good B-plus episode. Wow. Wow. Wow. Ben, hard to disagree for me. In to like the issues that I had with some dialogue in parts This felt to me like a video game played on the level between easy and medium Like one thing I think discovery does really well is they make the Mirror Universe

difficult really difficult like Mirror universe on discovery is all maddened, and this is preseason Star Trek. And to me, I think one easy way to make this scene more difficult is to instead of having O'Brien, puppet mastering Cisco, the way he is, like, why not give O'Brien an angle of his own What we needed I think was another double cross here and I think O'Brien would have been a great guy to serve that double cross and because he's so safe At all times. Yeah, I felt safe as a viewer and I think that danger was really lacking here I think the danger is what makes Mirror Universe fun and that is why I didn't have a ton of fun watching this episode. Well, I'm sorry to hear that Adam. Yeah, here in a

cat suit though, bumps it up to a solid B+. You know it is a ton of fun aside from cat suits. What's that? Priority one messages. P1 in a cat suit. That's what I'm hoping for. Yeah. Priority one message from Starfleet coming in on Secured Channel. Need a supplement on it. A supplement on it? A supplement. A supplement. Yeah, it's extra.

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Stab at how draga and says pronounce because it's got a Y in it, so I'll I hope I'm I hope I'm at least in the ballpark. I think if there's one thing we know after 200 and hmm episodes of Greatest Gen it's that Your pronunciation is often more correct than mine. I'm gonna go with I'm gonna go with your instinct there Okay, I Do miss that for Rengi whip it over your head and shoot it style weapon though

Yeah, I want an episode where Nag finds quarks like in an old shipping container or something and is like, oh, can I have it uncle? And quark is like, no, you're not old enough. He becomes the Farenki Jedi. It chooses him. Yeah, and then they have like a scene where they're doing like target practice in a cargo bay and Nag is like whip cracking bean cans off a fence. That would be fantastic. Yeah. and Nog is like whip cracking bean cans off a fence.

That would be fantastic. Yeah, that'll be my spec script for Deep Space 9. We'll see if they produce it. Oh, the things they left behind, Ben. Do you think when a Ferengy enters Starfleet as his Nog stated intent, he gets issued a whip? Do you get to use your like traditional weapon, the way the way the way

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And with the ease with which he's able to operate in the Meary Universe, like he takes to it, like a fish to water, like he is in. He is not only in, but like acting the part immediately. Yeah. He is Shimoda to me, like no hesitation sexually in his moments with Daxon Kira. I feel like this is a clear differentiation from Picard. Picard would be all up in his own head. He would resist. Find a way not to make this happen, but Cisco's in deep cover.

Cisco's down. Cisco's going. Yeah, Cisco does the rail of cocaine to prove that he's not deep cover. Cisco's down. Cisco's going. Yeah, Cisco does the rail of cocaine to prove that he's not a cop. Yeah, absolutely. Like, had there been any rebel drugs out on the table, you know hesitation. You know he's getting into that.

What have I even? Well, we have a daily double here at him. It is Cisco for me as well. The reason I wrote him down was the other laugh out loud moment in the episode, which was he's taken Smiley's gun in the ship when they first arrived at the Mirror Universe and Smiley is like, you got to track down the scientist, you know, the dead Mirror Universe Cisco believed that he could change her mind about who to be helping here. And Cisco goes like, who was it?

And O'Brien hands him a photograph. And he looks at it for a solid five seconds before going Jennifer. Like he doesn't recognize her at first. It's the widow's peak, right? Yeah, he's like, that doesn't look like. Wait, it is. It is her. He like uses his hand to cover up her hair line.

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Geryk's shop mysteriously explodes, launching Odo on an investigation to determine who is trying to kill the Cardassian exile and why? When you when you said the word explodes and then launching afterwards, I was like wait Odo is thrown free from the station in the explosion Does that you know what he'd probably probably survive in free space, right? Yeah, Odo Vacuumproof. I bet he is. Or would he turn into a fine mist? We've already seen Odo die once and he turned into gack. Well, Adam, why don't you head over to a Gach.bizslashgame

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So I rolled a one. Tula! Did I win? Harvey! Which means I landed on the traveler. Whoa shit! Which means I move forward five spaces, which also means I'm on square 51 now. Wow!

But square 51 is a normal episode. Yeah, but we move forward quite a bit. Yeah, that really, that really frisbee does across the board. Yeah, that's crazy. I've been wondering if the program that runs our board game, it got that biz-lash game was actually smart enough to do the actions of the ones that move you. That's cool.

That's the first time we've seen it in action. Yeah, it happened. It's done. All right. Well, we have a Quirks bar and a looking at each other during and striking distance now. That could be complicated at them. I'm excited for that opportunity. Maybe we could do both.

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