The Headgum Podcast - 237: Develop Beefy

Episode Date: January 10, 2025

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This is a head gum original. Is this can you hear me? Yes, it's bad quality, but yeah. What? I mean, it's a tiny mic shaped like a yam. This one's pretty good. It's I can't tell if it's coming through your headphones or if it's the mic. It's coming from my mic.

No way. I like the mic drop. All right, you know what? We're using it because every time you're on the fucking show, you use like a pencil or you use a fucking- You can hear me better now? No, it's the same. It's the same. You didn't even touch the keyboard.

Why did at any point you think that the quality would have changed? I changed the you're just muting and unmuting. Is this better? It's different. It's different. Is that the headphones? Now it's the headphones. Yeah, go back to the mic actually.

Okay, this is the Samson Meteor mic back to the mic actually. OK, this is the Samson Meteor mic. That's really good. Now we're cooking with gas. We're starting the new year off wrong. What's that? What's that? What's that? What's that? My hair position is GEO. Oh, we're back at it again with another year. What is in store? What antics are going to ensue? Nobody knows. It's a fresh slate

It's a new start Casey. Yeah, or should I say China? No You shouldn't I think you should not say that probably I shouldn't yeah guys I'm always excited at the beginning of a new year because I really feel like we're going to grow this show's audience tenfold. Right. All that needs to happen is we need to get independently famous. Right. And then redirect people back to the show. That's been a goal of mine for six years. That hasn't happened even in an ounce. Yeah.

The other thing we could do is sort of start a grassroot style street team marketing campaign, a la Radio Disney, a la by ramen. Yes, exactly right. We could go to Venice Beach. We could hawk merch slash advice like podcasts, but outside. Merch slash advice. We could sell shirts, and as we do, we tell people how to improve themselves.

Would the shirts have, like, words of wisdom on them? Or are they just regular boardwalk shirts? I think we'd be speaking the words of wisdom, selling shirts. No, they'd be graphic tease with like slogans from the show that intrigue. Right. So I guess it'd be like embellish faith. And people were like, what does that mean? I'll be like, you have to listen to 200 episodes of

to find out. They say it'll be like 100 you have to listen to 200 episodes of to find out. They say it'll be like 100 to 200 hours of audio for you to understand the shirt. Yeah, I will say I threw a New Year's Eve party. Micah didn't come. Marika wasn't quite invited and invited. Yeah, I wasn't invited either. Well, you guys live in New York.

Casey lives nearby. We don't invited either. Well, you guys live in New York. Casey lives nearby. We don't live that far from each other. He couldn't make it because of the Ubers. All right. I give him a pass. What are your guys' excuses? I also going to make it because of the Ubers. People walked in and oh, great. Now, 1207 Pile Texts.

I can't. So Amir bailed on this episode last minute and I had to find a replacement. Otherwise, you were going to have to reschedule the bench until Monday. So I put out feelers to Casey Pyle and Ferris. Right. What order was I in? You were number one. OK. Not all. There's no way it means that much to you. First, Jeff said, I was a speaker, Emma.

And I did that. That was the answer. There's no way it means that much to you. First, Jeff said, ask Jake or Emma. And I did that. And nobody answered. That was true. I was trying to get the Brothers Hurwitz on the show together, which hasn't happened in a minute. Jake's going to be mad that he's being asked to record the show yet again, day of. Not my fault this time.

Kind of your fault because you responded almost a day after Amir said he couldn't do it I'm not supervising producer all right this is one of my biggest gripes with this show I should have been putting out feelers this second Amir canceled the bitch right and don't say she's you okay you know and here we go if I had done that shit you guys would have been like, you didn't do a thorough enough job because she was like, who do you want? She should have just had that at the ready. Here's who is available. Right. Or should I become the new supervising producer?

No, not read my mind. Just have somebody doesn't fucking matter as long as it's not like, you know, let's be honest. But Gianna, I should have picked someone else. Yeah. Someone whose episodes haven't been scrapped. Let's take it into our first bond of the week of the year. I don't really know what's happening, but you guys your guys's audio is like

normal. And then the other one audience really loud for me this week Oh, so that kind of like how it is for us all the time. I mean interesting. It's just it's week after week What's the song that's like day after day? after time we know My bond of the week is Jonathan Scott Okay, who is that? Who is it?

He's a property brother who somehow married Zoe Deschanel. I know this is really old news, but I came across a photo of them like last week and I was like, I forgot about this. And this is crazy. That this is what happened. She was like, like. The new girl. She was like, like. The new girl, she was the new girl, and then suddenly she gets married to this old sack of shite

and then moves to Manhattan Beach, the ass, the taint of Los Angeles. You know, who lives in Manhattan Beach? If you don't if you don't play for the Lakers, I don't want to hear that you live in Manhattan Beach. Casey, got to back me up because they have no idea what I'm talking about. You're on your own, buddy. You like the South Bay in L.A. Go. I don't go.

I don't go west of Hollywood, man. Thank you. We share the same kind of radius that I like to stay with, the pocket that I like to stay in. Manhattan Beach is for like PR girlies and like people who still like to act like they're in a frat. Where is Manhattan Beach above or below Santa Monica? Below. Hmm. That sounds bad.

Thank you. You don't want to be below. Yeah. Um, so I'm thinking if he becomes Bond, I can justify it in my mind that this fucked up turn of events makes sense because Deschanel's married to James. I guess so.

We haven't talked at all about the news that came out of the Barbara Broccoli front. Meaning? Over the break. Well, she is looking it up for the first time. I didn't hear about this. Nobody said to me. Oh, it was sent in the HQ of Slack. She's in a stalemate with Amazon.

And there is a really good quote where she just said, These people are fucking idiots about Amazon. The company. Hell, yeah. Which rules. fucking idiots about Amazon, the company. Hell, yeah. Rules. So, yeah, I think they like wanted to make a TV show or something. And she was like, no. Yeah. You idiots. Because because did Amazon buy it because I thought Sony owned the rights.

Amazon needs broccoli to furnish them with ideas for a new Bond movie, but broccoli doesn't want to make a new Bond movie with Amazon. Interesting. I'm confused about that. I swear to God, it was Sony, unless Amazon bought Sony, which I don't think is true. And also, I don't think why would it be Sony? Because Sony was who put out Bond the past like 20 years. I think.

I don't think that's true. Wow. And on the first episode of the fucking year, you're going to cross me like that. I'm getting a numbers crunch on this skyfall. OK, MGM. Yeah. Yeah. Which is owned by Amazon.

Yeah. So that sounds correct. Guys, do you have a bond of the week or you don't really want to participate? This is my bond of the week. Antonio Banderas as Puss in Boots. That's really Bond, I was going to say, because he kind of turns people on as Puss. Not in the movie Baby Girl. I haven't seen that as Puss.

Sorry. Marika, that brings me to my Bond of the Week. The guy from Baby Girl. Harris Dickinson. Harris Dickinson. He could be good. He's a little young. He's a little thin. He's going to need to put on some muscle if he's going to be Bond. I thought he's like twenty six or something.

Yeah, sure. It's not that young. Young Bond Bond wasn't an agent by 26. I have always said this, that it would be incredible for James Bond to be like 23 years old. I'm on record saying this. I think it'd be very funny. But I thought canonically, he didn't become an agent until he was like almost Jesus's age. It doesn't matter. It's all fake. And you can make it up for a new movie, man.

Micah, I really wanted to end on a and back to the mic sounding like garbage. Yeah, here we go. Is it? Yeah. Is it that bad? No, it's fine. Nobody said it out loud, but I do think somebody thought it. All right. Word of the week. Rejovenate.

Who do you think thought that your ass? The lady does protest too much. The first one who smelt it dealt it case. He was like, who do you think thought that it was your ass? Yeah. Rejovenate, which is a word that I'm coining because the new thought at first you thought at first I'm coining the bitch because I said it out loud first. Basically this year you guys don't like Word of the Day. I know this shit because every time I click the eagle everybody's like nice and then they're

pissed that it's like the Word of the day is like, and this year, word of the day is changing a little bit. All right. It's shit that I'm coming up with in an effort to get a word as Merriam-Webster's word of the year. So today it's rejovenate, which is to make someone feel glad again. It's rejovenate, which is to make someone feel glad again. And just to confirm that is a real word or did you make it up? This I think you made it up.

What did I just say? What did I just say? Word of the day is changing this year. Yeah, the coin words to get it in the dictionary. Oxford's word of the year or whatever. I didn't understand that it was coin brand new words. I thought you were just like suggesting a word to be word of the word of the year. Yeah, that's true. Now they add shit.

It's a new word. But cap, I think, was added a year ago or two where it's like, oh, like that's when you're lying. So I wonder if it could be rejoinate, which is to make someone glad again. Having had previously kept is a word that exists and they just added another definition. No, but they that's true. But some years it's that some years it's whole new turns of phrases like rejovenate.

I'm not saying it's going to be rejovenate. I'm just saying this is my pitch for this week. We're going to have 52 of the shits How are we gonna get this to? Webster or Miriam look if if this show isn't on a much bigger platform by like October. We've got much bigger word Problems than trying to get a word in the dictionary, right? I would like to get this show back to like downloads a week. What's it at now?

I think. So why are we talking about this? I'll believe all of this. It's of course it's fallen off. Of course, because less people are listening to podcasts than they did in the pandemic. Or should I say pandemic? China knows what I'm talking about.

That actually was the first time the nickname was racist. All right, let's take it into our first segment. Guys, we've heard about Joel's coins and Joel's wow. We've heard about Casey's dimes and Marika's follies. This is Micah's failures. This is a quantitative, not qualitative segment. Basically, how many failures is Micah going to do in his life?

His life? Yes. Including previous failures already? Yes. Did you say it's qualitative? His life yes Wow including Previous failures already. Yes, you said did you get in qualitative? You said it's qualitative not quantitative And then you said in another way. Oh it quantitative Casey what did you ask? Are we counting? Failures he's already had and future ones you can include the goat show. How do you? Brothers healthy already had and future ones. You can include the goat show. How do you? Brothers, how?

I think they made some money off that. I don't know if that was a failure. I wouldn't call it a failure. Ametona is going strong for now, but anything that ends not well, that ends well. Becomes a failure. OK, so it's just like it's going to it's a guess for the rest of my life. Only you guess this is not a segment for us to like, razz you.

Oh, but you OK. Where the hell did you get that mic and did you buy it to be on this show? I bought it for meetings because I thought it would make my voice. No way. Why didn't you ask any of the audio professionals you work with? It's a few years old at this point. It's before we had one of those audio professional. We've always had those.

That's all we've had at some point before we had so many of them. OK, OK. And it's a pretty good mic. Just just a number, just a number of just a number of how many failures you think you'll have in your life. Zero. OHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH Oh my God, I'm definitely going to get blocked for this.

Um, very good, very good. Guys. A novel title that I had that I might want to write. All right. I'm not going to give the background. I feel like people know this segment by now. The title would be shit and go seek. by now, the title would be shit and go seek. So it's a memoir about the mishaps of growing up Brown in Sugar and Falls, Ohio, and how sometimes your only choice during a game of hide and seek is to skidmark your hands.

No. Your only choice. See, look at the reaction that we got from all three of you. So I'm like, that's going to sell shelves. That's fair. I also read a tweet today that was someone said, thinking about when I worked at New York Comic Con and someone pooped on the floor in the line to meet the cast of our flag

means death. And then the show got canceled two months later. I mean, it's kind of like Nicole's viral story about how she had a Nicole by her. How she had a piece of shit in a Delta blanket. Now she flies free like that goes viral when people talk about shit. I don't think she flies for free. Really?

I just I really don't think so. I wish she did. Like she made it. They made it like diamond status for. Probably. Yeah. For one year, that's it. You have a piece of shit in a blanket that you have. Look, Delta, I have issues with their customer service.

That's all I'll say. They don't have 37 inches of pitch like JetBlue. Oh, of leg room. Yeah. You know, crucify me. I use the wrong word to describe the length between chairs. I was just thinking about soccer or football, as they call it. You had one there, too.

I feel like Marika would be a hooligan, but you don't watch soccer at all. Sometimes I do. Yeah, but I feel like Marika would be a hooligan, but you don't watch soccer at all. Sometimes I do. Yeah, but I feel like I can get into the shit. Yeah, we watch in the office. OK, but I mean, I feel like it would be you'd be as into it as you are, Ferrari, because it's like a European thing. You're kind of an Anglophile. I can see that all the guys are like kind of in that vein of celebrity guy

that you think is like really hot. Like Nicholas Holt and shit. I can see that all the guys are like kind of in that vein of celebrity guy that you think is like really hot. Like Nicholas Holt and shit. Yeah, I could see you. I could see you being like, oh, my arsenal boys. You know. Yeah. Well, yeah, arsenal. Also, what do they call?

Are there fans called gooners? Yeah, like the crazy stuff. Learning that one, learning that was rough. I did the first thing I ever did when I went to London for the first time was I went to watch an arsenal menu game in an arsenal bar. A bar. So no, really? Yeah. But I kind of I kind of got over that, I guess.

Yeah. So you would be an Arsenal fan. No, because I learned that they their fans are called gooners. And I'm kind of it was like, I'd rather not have that. She's a Tottenham. She's a Tottenham fan. I do like I like watching the Tottenham games because what are they? They order they called again. The top of hot spur. No, but there's the coins.

Yeah, there's all themselves. The coins, they just that's like their come on. You sure. Yeah, yeah. You don't really ever say it either. You just you type out. OK, I type it because I yeah, whatever. There's a there's a spurs bar kind of between where Casey and I live. So in theory, I would want to be a Spurs fan, but my buddy was a big

Liverpool fan and he died. So I got a Liverpool tattoo for his honor. And so I'm a Liverpool fan. Shout out, Sala. I wish that they had a fucking playoff. Sorry, it's you never walk alone. You son of a bitch. And it's also just a song from Carousel, the musical. So. So think about that. We're going to have to take a long break,

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All right, here we go. We're back. Guys, let's talk about the state of the show. We touched on it a little bit up top but I have some specific questions. State of the gum, right? 2025 edition. Last minute numbers.

State of the Goal. You press so many buttons to get to that. How's the outlook? First off, this is maybe the most important thing. How's the outlook looking for live shows in 2025? We had an amazing show in Brooklyn at Littlefield October 2024. I'm not satisfied. I'm not quite sure the audience is either. Can we get an LA live show? Can we get a San Francisco live show? Can we get another New

York live show? Well, we're not doing SketchF fest. We were denied access. I actually have it out for Varney. It's less of that more just that their schedule filled up. So it's our fault for not. Who should I be pissed at? Emma. No, she had nothing to do with that. Katie, then. No, she barely had a. I mean you could Mike probably me ah

I don't want to be mad at your ass too much that goes unthink Or at least my question It's a really good stinger sound. So rude. Here's my question. People are always like, don't do live shows in L.A. Right. Because no one wants to go to them. But people are always doing live shows in LA right because no one wants to go to them but people are always doing live shows in LA I think we could do Dynasty I think we could do the Goldfish in Highland Park they have a 70-30 ticket split never heard of that

venue but sure it's good I've heard of it I've been there I think I was I don't think I've been there since it's been the Goldfish. I think I was there when it was called whatever it was before. Oh, what was it before? The hi-hat? The hi-hat, yeah. But I mean, I feel like that is like a big thing that we, we just hear that people in LA don't like going anywhere. I think people don't go, in LAA. People don't go to like local

comedian shows. But I think if you're like a fan of something, people might come like this show. I think it's like that's why Headgum Happy Hour doesn't work out in L.A. Because it's like just local standups.

People just don't show up because everyone's a local standup. I think it has to be infrequent for it to work. Yeah, you know, that's the other thing. You can't we can't do a live show residency and then and then another live show like two months later. No one will go to the one two months later. But also I think things that have two months ago, things that have fandoms I think people go to in L.A.

Gotcha. That makes sense. Even if it's like medium to small. I think it would be fun to do some thing, not like not like a podcast recording, but like something adjacent. Or like like some sort of weird programming, like. I don't know. You guys go to video. It's all the time. It would be funny to do something like a short film screening. And it's like a series of shorts that we all that Casey directed, but that I wrote and he he takes my garbage and tries to make it as good as possible.

Now we're talking. That's really funny. See, this is the ideation that I wanted to get into here. Let's take it into our next question. I had a question, I think. Where are the most listeners of the show? Have you seen that? I think it's New York.

Oh, yeah, definitely. The side. It's at the very least, the North. Well, actually, this is an interesting thing. And it's Australia. What? Sorry. We are running an audience

survey right now. Sure. And we are getting information about where people would want to go to a live show, because that's a question that we ask. Mm hmm. So we can check in on the results of that.

I'm looking at it right now and. A lot of answers saying Birmingham, either Alabama or England. So for that question, because my shirt, what is your shirt? Your shirt says, oh, my God, guys, this is serendipity. It has to be. Right now, the top answer for live show cities, the top three. Chicago, Boston, no way. Chicago, Boston. No way. London.

Whoa. So we're going to. That's our tour. That's the fucking tour. That's it. That's the tour. Very interesting. Guys, how much larger of a budget can we get for this show?

Micah, how many ads can we sell for the show? The good question. How many returning sponsors do you have? None of only. So that means you have to be doing a better job with your endorsements and the audience has to do a better job of buying products that you market. I think we all can do better jobs, right? I think I can definitely put more energy and effort

into the ad reads. I can make the video ads look better. I can implore people in a way that's a little bit more desperate so that they're more want to buy the product. And then, but I do think that we need new products because I think at this point, people would already be with BetterHelp or they would already be on that athletic greens kick.

All right. That was the only two sponsors we had last year. We need some new blood. I would love to be sponsored by Helix because I have a Helix mattress and I love the shit. And I can really get people to like this isn't even an ad. I'm like guys I don't like being in hotels anymore. Like this isn't even an ad. I'm like, guys, I don't like being in hotels anymore. Like it used to be that I'm like, oh, like a hotel is the most luxurious thing you can be in. Not anymore.

Not since I got my helix in like April. It's I don't like being away from home. Keep going. We'll send this to them. Just keep serious. And by the way, when people come over and they like, you know, my girlfriend and I just moved in together, people come over, we give them a tour. We're like, lay down on that. Everyone who lays down is like the first thing they ask is,

is this really happening before the group sex ensues? We lost and we lost. No, that's the problem, Jeff. No, people are like, what mattress is this? And I'm like, oh, it's a Helix Midnight Lux. You have to next time you're in the market for a mattress. Yeah, it's unbelievable, isn't it not? It's like a cloud.

It is really good. Now, Jeff, I'm coming up on 10 years on my current mattress, which means I'm in the market for a new one. You think I should give Helix a shot? I think you gotta take the Helix Sleep Quiz, which takes less than two minutes online, and it matches you with the perfect softness Slash are you a side sleeper? Are you a back sleeper? I'm a I'm a stomach sleeper

I am my girlfriend's a side sleeper guess which mattress we went with The midnight luxe which is for side sleepers exactly right No, I'd love I'd love helix. I'd love there was a couple other ones that were like, would you feel comfortable advertising this? I think it was for Delta Nine gummies or something. And I'm like, I'll sell anything, even my

body. All right. Who's the most important guest for us to nail down on this show for the year? Timothy Chalamet. He feels unrelated entirely to the show. But you know what I think he would do? I think he would be like, that's funny. He would appreciate at least my vague Bob Dylan references that nobody ever acknowledges when I say them. Did you see a complete unknown?

Not yet, but I think I'm going to go watch it alone tomorrow. Solo Dolo. Nice. I think I'm going to go watch it. I think I'm going to go watch it. I think I'm going to go watch it. I think I'm going to go watch it. I think I'm going to go watch it. and references that nobody ever acknowledges when I say them. Did you see a complete unknown? Not yet, but I think I'm going to go watch it alone tomorrow. So low, Dolo. Nice.

I hate I don't like seeing movies with other people. Yeah, you got to talk about it afterwards. Go on solo. That's the way we saw the movie. Let's go home. And then they're always like, do you want to get drinks after? I'm like, no. I don't like the movie was two and a half hours.

Let's go home. I don't like talking about things like in the theater. But I think that's maybe like built in from not wanting to talk about like actual like theater performances in the theater. Well, I don't know. I kind of feel the same way. And I don't want I don't ever want to hear any stranger's opinions of the movie I just watched.

They're the last people I want to hear from, or the people I just watched the movie with, that I don't know. I don't know if I have bad taste, but I will say that oftentimes I leave a movie theater and I'm like, that was great, and everybody's like, that was terrible. Yeah, that's happened to me before.

And I'm like, I liked it. Fuck you guys. Now I have to feel bad about like five people behind me walk out of the theater like, God, that sucked. I'm like, oh, my God, we were watching two different movies. That happened to me with Smile 2. People left and were like, that was awful. I was like, I thought that was a pretty good modern horror movie.

Like it was I mean, it's not like reinventing the wheel, but it was scary enough. I didn't see it. All right. What's what is this show's main goal for 2025? I will say that for me, I have to one is at least a live show. Number two is there's this episode that I've been wanting to do for a long time that I need Casey's help with that. to do for a long time that I need Casey's help with that I got the go ahead for from Katie in 2023. And the logistics just didn't quite pan out that year. And then last year I was dealing with so many TB eyes that the whole thing was kind of TMI. Right. So here

we are 2025. I want to get that episode done because it's almost the least topical it could have ever been. And I think that fits the show. And people are going to love it. I think that would be fun to make happen. There's some episodes that I want

to happen. I know which one you're talking about. No, I know the one you're talking about. You know the one you're talking about. It's also very vague. No, I know the one you're talking about. You know the one I'm talking about. This is not interesting for the audience, but I think we should do both. Correct. If we do those two episodes this year, and we do a live show, maybe two, that might be the best year of the show ever.

I think another goal is to come up with a new recurring segment that people like. A la Jeffery, a la. Yeah. Yeah. Jeffery was the only one you could name. People like the writing advice segments, people like the rubrics. They like the right songs. They love the right songs. They love Jeopardy. That could be a fun goal, like professionally record or semi

professionally record a rice song. We did we did live performance. Yes. You're sitting in front of a keyboard and a microphone right now and I sitting in front of a guitar. Barely allowed to use the microphone. I don't know if I can even. It kind of looks like you're on the set of Bo Burnham's old YouTube videos. Yes, 100%.

It needs more blue. It's more of a warm-toned room, for sure. That's my take on Bo. Yeah. You know, he's cool-toned because he is cool-toned, right? He wears... What the hell? Oh, for sure.

That's one of his songs. Okay, very good. No, I think he wears silver toned jewelry because he is cool toned. I am almost positive that I have to wear gold because I have the green undertones. Yeah, sickly. Jaundiced, yeah. And then the other thing we need to be thinking about, Yeah, sickly. John this. Yeah.

And then the other thing we need to be thinking about, and I don't want to get too much on Micah's case here for ideation, but Micah, the fifth year anniversary is this May. What are we going to do for that shit? 24 hour live stream. Am I going to know about it this time? You always say that you don't. I don't want to know about it this time or? You always say that you don't. I don't want to know about it. Yeah. No, I think we could do a 12 hour live stream, like an overnight,

like a night and all nighter instead of 20, 24 hours was tough. I would do it again, though. I would do it again not knowing about it. Yeah, this is the problem. You're like, it was really hard and I didn't enjoy that that much. But I do it again. I would do it again if my parents weren't in town, which on you can text my girlfriend and be like, are his parents in town?

And she can just be like, no. And she'd be like, great. Yeah. Very good. Very good. That could be interesting. That could be interesting. And then the last one, other than considering new hosts, what changes can be made to improve quality and quantity of episodes? Quality, I think, just recording more regularly. And not having people, like, cancel last minute and...

Yes. Being more communicative overall. Sure, sure. Yeah. Sure, I get that. Yeah, for sure. We're sure. The responding to texts, sending grace files on time. I've been doing that for a year. You've been doing here. I've been doing that. Where's my credit?

Grace gets all the credit in the world all the fucking time. Really? I just said that you've been doing it. My hair position is GEO. Micah, you're an ad salesman. So what can you do to improve the quality and quantity? Yeah, the quantity. What do you mean quantity?

You want to do like two episodes a week. Bonus episodes. 30 minute bonus episodes to get more impressions for ads. And maybe they're AMAs, maybe they're audience participation. I don't fucking care. I mean, cool. I am is pretty good.

Yeah, I think you need more. Post show audience audience engagement, right? Yeah, maybe maybe you need more. Post show. You want audience engagement, right? Yeah. Maybe livestream this. I was going to say, live streams that become bonus ups. Yeah. And we can do it from Chef Kevin's studio in... We have a studio.

We have two studios. Because I want to do it in the most inconvenient place, slash, truth possible. Right. So that's like kind of the antithesis of the whole goal. Right. Well, what about Joel's goals? What about this year? I kind of want him in Philadelphia a lot. Yeah, that's that makes sense. I don't ask him to be on this episode.

Yeah, because he was on the episode that came out today. So I feel like we've got enough of Joel. The whole episode's called Joel's Wow. We need Joel again. No, Chef Kevin's studio in his garage is like, really far for people to drive, A. B. It's small.

It's tiny. C, the lighting makes my, it's very hot. My skin tone in that, that studio is made for white people. I'm sorry, but my skin tone in that studio looks like a fucking Calabasas olive. Well there's a lot of green. I think I meant green olives. Yeah, not a deep purple.

I looked like the Abigail Bresla, that's not who it was. Who's the fucking, not her, but the person who's very similar to her. She was in Bridge to Terabithia and she used to be my girlfriend's neighbor. Hmm. It was an Abigail Breslin. No, it's from she's the it's the thing she turns purple in Wonka for Charlie and the Chocolate Factory. Uh, Anna Sophia, Anna Sophia Robb.

Anna Sophia Robb. Anna Sophia Robb is what I'll look like or she might be the biggest guest we could get this year. Why don't we try to get Sophia Robb? Who says no to Sophia Robb? I know where she used to live and now she lives in Texas. Is Sophia Robb a different person than Anna Sophia Rob? No, I'm just calling her like by a colloquial last name.

Yeah, we do have to move on because we have two more segments, which is me trying to start out the year right at 39 minutes. We still have two more to get to. Here we go. Um, guys, this is a segment I like to call two resolutions and a lie. All right, I am going to list out with this five of these where there's sets of three resolutions that I have and you have to tell me which one is the lie. Got it? Okay. See, very clean, clear premise, gonna be fun.

But of course it has sort of a head gum podcast bend to it. Here we go. Set one, embrace frugal, pursue coterie, and enjoy greens. And if you need me to explain what any of those are to make an informed decision These are real resolutions that I have other than the ones that are the lie. I think the frugal one is the lie Okur okur What is what is coterie?

Casey can we get a numbers crunch on that a Numbers crunch on what is coterie correct? Yeah A numbers crunch on what is coterie? Correct, yeah. It's like community. A group of people with shared interests. Do you need me to repeat these? Yeah. Embrace frugal.

Okay, that's the one you embrace, okay. Pursue coterie and enjoy greens. Which one's the lie? enjoy greens I'm going with Marika brace frugal Guys I Don't want to pursue community cuz I already yeah I have enough friends right and I need more

vegetables and I've been an intense amount of credit card debt so I actually need to be more frugal I've been paring shit down I thought your whole thing was to live la dulce vita and that's not embracing frugal. The result of that Casey is that I'm And I have a fucking now I'm paying the most I've ever paid in monthly payments So I need to I need to buy groceries instead of pursuing coderies I don't need more friends because more friends means more debt Because what all friends are are people that are like, hey, come out to jumbos tonight. And I'm like, you know, if I do that, I'm going to spend $50 on drinks and ass. All right, here we go. Develop beefy. I Simmer broths and voice grumbles

Bfe I think develop beefies fly yeah, okay with that I This is part of me being more frugal I used to have a membership to equinox because I was like if my gym membership is like $200 a month I will have to go because I'll feel so guilty about spending the cash That didn't work. I didn't get into like a rhythm of it In the rhythm of my thighs I was squatting tons of yeah, I'm going to the barbell brigade I think because the monthly payment is a hundred dollars a month, which is still a lot.

Actually, that's that's probably I don't. What is this an answer to? They said we're wrong. Developed beefy is to build some muscle. And I'd like to do that this year because I'm I oscillate between being way too thin and being kind of medically overweight. I'd like to just be vascular. How cool is that?

Micah is kind of an example of this. I feel like Micah has like a medically healthy amount of muscle. He's active, he's jacked, he's svelte. Thanks, dude. It's really nice. But my resolution is to get like shredded. That's kind of always your resolution. I feel it's an endless pursuit.

I'll never be happy. No, I want to I want to build some muscle. I want to make soups. I don't want to voice grumbles. I really why did you guys think I wanted to voice grumbles. I really thought you would want to voice grumbles. I already do that. No, but I thought that meant you wanted to like start getting a little down here. I didn't think that. I thought...

Get a couple of voice over acting jobs. Yeah. No, I can't do the low voice. I thought it was going to be because you wanted to stand up for yourself more. I feel like I do a healthy amount of that, even when it's unwarranted. What I need to do is build my thighs and ass to the point where people call it a scrumptious. All right, here we go. Number one, freshen my heart to reject poison and three, stabilize those.

Need me to elaborate on what these mean? I can stabilize what? Dose. Yeah, D O E S. No, no, D O Z E. Okay, yeah. Gotcha. That's sleep?

Yeah, that's sleep. Correct! Yes! That's absolutely correct. What was the second one again? I think it was that one. It was reject poison. And then the first one?

Freshen my heart. And can you elaborate on that one, please? Freshen his home. Yes, meaning I'd like to, like, clean it, make sure it's, like, you know, more organized. All right, well, he just went off about those Helix mattresses, so his dose must be stabilized. Mmm.

I would hope so, yeah. I would hope so. But he also, we know he was reading until 3 a.m. essays about being dragged to a Dodgers game. He sent this before we started the podcast. So my life is so stupid. That's why you weren't asleep. I think you're not going to reject poison. Wait, no, he wants to stabilize those.

What am I? Are we finding the real resolution? The lie, the lie. So it's fresh in mind, hearth, reject poison or stabilize. Don't poison, reject poison. Okay, Marika. That's what I said. Micah.

I think your hearth is already freshened, so it's not that one. That's correct. Mike. Yes, I already keep things clean enough. I don't need it to be a resolution. What I need is to I'm trying to drink. I'm not drinking right now. I haven't been drinking for like two months because of my head. And I've been feeling great about it.

This year, I don't know if I'm gonna keep that going and just stay off the hamster wheel or if I'm gonna get back to it, but only drink on special occasions, probably the latter. But I still probably need to continue rejecting that poison. I don't need to clean my house. I do sort of need to get on a regular sleep schedule

where I'm going to bed at like 11 p.m. and waking up at like 11 p.m. and waking up at like eight. Micah, you stopped drinking for a while, you came back to it in a healthier way. How do you do that? I've been, I think, just being away from it for a long time. How long were you away?

I don't mean to know. Six months. Wow. Maybe I'll go six. Maybe I'll go six months. I've been losing some weight. Do you lose weight? I lost like 10 pounds from just not drinking. Yeah, I think there's like, you carry a little less weight

if you're like drinking beer and stuff in your face. Yeah, that's cool. Yeah, body, so. All right, here we go. One, dominate nature. Two, volunteer daring. And three, dominate nature. Two, volunteer daring and three, author ideas. Can we get a numbers crunch on what the second one means? Volunteer daring would be.

Volunteer daring. I think it's like. Yeah, Michael, what do you think it means? Be more brave. Yeah, it's kind of like lobbing up like big ideas like to like. I don't actually really know. I wrote a class that ideas. I'm pretty sure volunteer. I'm pretty sure volunteer. I wrote a class that ideas.

I'm pretty sure volunteering, I volunteering daring is like taking huge leaps of faith without being forced to. I feel like you maybe already do that. Mm hmm. OK, that's that's the fake that. Mm hmm. OK. That's the fake resolution.

Was the first one. The first one was dominate nature. Mm hmm. And is that a positive or a negative? I think it's a positive. Like go on a hike or is it like burn burn leaves in your yard? I think it's like conquer leaves. Yeah, it's like which which I say meaning hike.

Not the second thing you said. Right. It's like conquering hikes that are hard. Got it. Yeah, I feel like you would want to do that. And I feel like you want to author ideas. You're always talking about this book that you want to write or whatever. It's not a specific book. It depends on the title. Yeah, I just said this book. Casey, I think it's the second one.

Correct. I want I don't want to volunteer daring. I don't even know what that fucking means. Yeah, we got that. Yeah. And then the last one. Here we go. One, radiate thrill. Two, hone erectile.

Or three, photograph joy. I think hone erectile means you want better posture. Okay. Kenny, was that right? That's almost exactly right. I want to take a Pilates class. I want to use the reformer. Me too.

Yeah. Is that cause Jake's been talking about it or is that, are you independently interested? No, I'm independently interested. Mostly it's cause my sister, I'm trying to like just get fit in a multitude of ways, including mobility. My sister does Pilates all to like just get fit in a multitude of ways, including mobility.

My sister does Pilates all the time and she was singing its praises for how easy it kind of is versus the results you get in terms of posture, actually. So Micah wasn't even wrong. And then I was like back listening to segments because I was I took a couple of days off and I was bored and I heard both Jake and Amir want to do Pilates and now Marika is saying she wants to do this shit. I guess 2025 is the year fucking Jacob. I would give Pilates a shot. A shot.

Jake has been talking about it a lot, but independently of that, I also because I stopped doing physical therapy, I think that's like the closest thing that I could do that would like replicate the feeling of doing physical therapy, but it's expensive. Yeah, it's like $50 a class. $40. OK. Oh, this shit is hot as hell. Is it? I haven't looked into it at all.

That kind of would negate my other class pass is a way to do it. But I don't like class pass. I thought I found one that was like 25 a class, which is. Oof, no, it's 36, still better than 50, but not ideal for embracing frugal. Here we go. The key is you got to go to a bad part of town. Hmm. How many how many days a week are you supposed to be doing Pilates classes? I'm not trying to go that often. I want to go like twice a month or something like that.

Yeah, but to see the benefits of it. To truly hone erectile. Yeah. All right, so which one of these do you guys think I'm trying to do? Basically, you can eliminate or hone erectile because I already said I wanted to do it. The other two were photograph, photograph joy and radiate thrill Radiate thrill. Yeah, I think that one's the lie Micah nailed it. All right, very interesting. Sorry about that Casey. Here we go

Last segment Last segment. Welcome to Who's Nine. This is a take on a segment, segment, which is like, who's 58 or something like that. And it's trying to guess which celebrity is like 58, 59, which is really tough to do. This is which celebrity is like 58, 59, which is really tough to do. This is which celebrity is nine. I thought it was going to be like whose line, but OK, this is cool, too. Nope. Who's nine and who's nine anyway? I can't think of a single.

You all get one guess or you get you all get one guess. And if you get it wrong you're out Oh, I okay. Yeah, so we have to like come I thought you were gonna like show us photos of people We don't come up with a name with a name of a celebrity who's nine Blue Ivy Carter Think she's like 14 She's 13 you You're out, Casey.

Marika. By the way, Casey, we were looking some more for someone like Canyon Tannerites. And who is that? The corn kid. People like that. Mm hmm. Roman Wimgrove, Riley Busby. These are all good. Get Riley Buzzfeed. Marika, you're up.

I didn't even name the most famous people. A nine year old. What about. Miles from recesscess Therapy, since he said a corn kid. He's a frequent child on that. I wouldn't call him a celebrity, but he's a social media celebrity. He's ultimately seven.

We were looking more for people, guesses like like Hayden Fleulen and Parker Jaeger. All right. These would all have been better guesses. Here we go. Mike, take us home. Do you have an article pulled up? Famous birthdays dot com. Yeah, Micah, take us home.

I'm going to stay on Casey's train of thought and say stormy. Isn't that the name of Travis Scott and Chloe? I think she's like five. No, we were looking for people like DJ Prince, Myla Fickley, St. West would have been the easiest one. And you were circling the drain there with Blue Ivy Carter and I wouldn't have even taken Princess Charlotte of Wales. All right, guys, plugs.

What do you guys have going on? What do you want to point the people towards? Solid app to start the year. Let's start with Casey and we'll go from there. Go to my website, Casey Makes Movies. Excuse me, let me try that again. Go to my website, casymakesmovies.com. I'm gonna have a major announcement soon there.

Holy shit. Stay tuned. Would love to see some movies announcement soon. Wow. Holy shit. Yeah. Stay tuned. Stay tuned. Would love to see some movies from Casey this year. Big fan, even though I've never seen your work. I just know you're good. Thank you. Your influences are varied and interesting.

Thank you so much. If you could kind of flush all that down the toilet bowl of your mind and come out through the sewer of a movie, something good would be there instead of a piece of shit. That means so much. Thank you. Marika. I just think it's a positive metaphor. Using flushing a toilet is a good thing.

I also think it's so funny when to use varied as a compliment. Like it is, but it just sounds like it's all over the place. Man. Yeah. And it's a good thing. There was I remember Ariana DeBose when she hosted the Tony Awards a few years ago was like you're like talking to all of the nominees. She was like, your work is so varied. Your work is so vague. Sounded so mean.

Sounded so mean. Follow me on all the places. Letterboxd, Blue Sky, Still Shadow Band on Twitter for sure. Instagram at Marie Galon. I don't have any major announcements. And I don't have anything going on. Micah. I'll plug this podcast. If you're listening, you should tell five friends to listen to a specific episode.

There you go, guys. This episode, this year of this show is going to be a train of joy. It's going to be the Occident Express. All right. Because we're going to get a bunch of new listeners in the Western hemisphere, we're going to be promoting the shit on Instagram and reels and Tik Tok, we're going to be doing live shows, we're going to be thinking outside hemisphere. We're gonna be promoting the shit on Instagram and Reels and TikTok. We're gonna be doing live shows. We're gonna be thinking outside the bow, right?

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