The Headgum Podcast - 247: Not Everything is Williams (w/ Jensen McRae!)

Episode Date: March 21, 2025

Jensen McRae joins Will, Casey, and Geoff to discuss what celebrities they’ve seen at the Silverlake Reservoir, McRae’s Gun Plays, before playing Tate on Tate and hearing a new rice song!See Jensen on tour!Help Casey make a movie!» FOLLOW Jensen on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/jensenmcrae/» FOLLOW Geoff on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/geoffreyjames/» FOLLOW Anya on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/radiofreeanya/» FOLLOW Casey on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/caseydonahue/» FOLLOW Will on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/willconover/Advertise on The Headgum Podcast via Gumball.fmRate The Headgum Podcast 5-stars on Apple PodcastsRate The Headgum Podcast 5-stars on SpotifyJoin the Headgum DiscordSee Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

Hey folks its Casey from Headgum and I am making a movie but I need your help to make it happen. I'm making this thing with many familiar faces from the headgum world. Anya Khan of Skyah is one of the producers, the doughboys are executive producers, Jeffrey James is going to be in the movie. I'm just thrilled to be making a movie with my friends. It's really, truly, honestly the only thing I've ever wanted to do in my life. And it's beautiful that it's happening, that we're making it happen.

And I hope that you will be a part of it. We are currently raising funds on Kickstarter and you can go to casemakesmovies.com to learn more. Thank you for your time, and enjoy the show. Previously on the HeadGum Podcast... I was in a fraternity for a semester. I didn't know you were in a fraternity. I feel like that's not a big part of your brand identity. Of course it's not. I was there for a semester and a half.

But you were urging people to join or to live there? I had to advertise the housing thing as part of the pledging process. Did you make it? Were you a brother? Yeah, and then immediately I was like, this isn't fun anymore. And that was the, that semester,

the second semester I was a full brother was the year that Trump got elected. And people in the house were celebrating. So I was like, eh. Not for you. Trump was elected and people were like, let's do a kegger. And you said, I actually do theater. Yeah, that's exactly right. Oh, I do sort of heated because Welcome back to the HeadGum Podcast.

Sorry, I'm sort of heated because I only half read the email that Anya sent out. I thought we've special guest Jensen McCray. I thought it was supposed to very Tate forward, and I feel a little bit red in the face. What if I started crying? I fear that. I would avoid responsibility. I would blame it on Anya Kandaskaya.

Did she write Tate or did she write Jensen? She wrote Jensen. I only saw McCray. I don't know how that's on me. In my defense, I did have the name first. This is part of what I'm upset about. You and I have known each other for eight years. Ten years. Ten years.

God, we're old. If I had known it was Jensen the whole time, I could have done things to help promote your tour. I could have done things to help promote the album. Instead, truly the entire outline is regarding Tate. I could have done things to help promote your tour. I could have done things to help promote the album instead Truly the entire outline is regarding tape. I also Yeah, is there nothing that could be salvaged? Of course not. No, okay. We have the normal stuff

I mean, what do you want to do you want to do word of the day? We can get that out of the way ambivalence and That was specific to Tate McCray. That one wasn't specific, it's just there's certain tent pole segments every week. I mean, it's ambivalence, which is having mixed feelings upon meeting a lance. I thought it was going to be about ants. That's interesting. I thought it was an ambivalent ambulance.

Ooh, that's better. This whole thing is open to interpretation and I feel like it's open-ended. It's a TGIM by the way. Everyone's showing up here with a certain Monday morning energy. Ambivalence. Upon meeting Lisa, this is me using it in a sense.

Thank you. Upon meeting Lisa's boyfriend, I was thunderstruck by a feeling of ambivalence. Because his name is Lance and I wish it was that No, Jensen McCrae's on the show Jensen you're an incredible you're Grammy nominated musician absolutely not sorry Grammy camp attending musician Absolutely not. Sorry, Grammy Camp attending musician. Grammy Camp attending musician. That was kind of what it was like.

You were just on So True. I was. You're making the Headgum rounds. I am. And at the, at my insistence, I've demanded it. Here's the other thing I'll say about the last time you were in the Headgum studio, you were in Studio G. Now you're in Studio H. Can you comment on the differences? Kind of smaller, kind of worse lighting.

For the where? Interesting. Kind of talking about. And I am talking about Jeff. Yeah, sure. Oh, on me, you're not talking about on you guys. No, I'm saying you are smaller and have worse lighting. Shit, that really threw me off actually.

And I aim to do that today. I'm keeping this guy loose. Casey laughed because like two and a half weeks ago he did like a whole overhaul. No, no, no, no, beautiful. Beautiful, beautiful. Jeff is where the problems lie. Oh of course. What is this? I feel like everyone's always constantly against me Well, the lighting's dark over there because the producers supposed to not really the host rarely is back here Yeah, well you were in the booth with me last time. That was a lot of fun. Yeah. Thank you. I would like to I Would like to do it again, but I think that there is a

There's a negative energy behind the desk when you're there and I Feel like I put a ton of joy out for people to pick up in the show was hosted produced by someone else That would be the dream spot in the room But because you get to kind of witness. Yes. Yeah. And that happens on So True, is you hear the producers off mic cracking up. Yeah.

That never happens on the show. It's really fun in So True. And what is it here, fun? What, do we have another word of the day maybe that we could use to describe the environment in here? They're not as like, in the moment as that they're really planned in an event okay great yeah like written down you land no and the word of the day is ambulance guys we have a lot to get to a lot of it is tape focused but we can

sort of lean into the McCray of it all Do you want to plug your tour up top? It's about to start in what 10 days? No many many more days than that you're leaving on the 24th. You said I'm that's for something else. What if it awake? It's from promo. That's cool But people I'm doing a lot some promotional stuff in London, but my tour in North America starts on May 3rd So if the fans... What? Why? Five weeks of promo? There's no way. You gotta sell the tickets, man.

That's why we're here! You need five more weeks? You're doing so much hostility for me trying to do my job. List the cities that haven't sold out yet. It's Philly in London, or Philly in Los Angeles. The second LA show. Their second LA show still needs to have tickets if anyone wants to go. Okay. Philly does need, Montreal, Montreux, I don't speak French, that's probably close enough.

A bunch of stuff overseas as well like Manchester and Glasgow. By the sea? Glasgow. Manchester by the sea or just Manchester? Just regular. United. Normal. You and I have known each other for ten years. Yeah. We met at improv auditions at USC. Famously. And now we're both doing some bullshit. Well, you more so than me, I would say. Yours is more legitimate, you're saying. I would venture to say. Interesting.

I'm interested in you bringing people more joy, and I'm bringing people more. Into the fold. Well, what fold? Of, I would say, oral. A-U-R-A-L. Thanks for specifying that. What?

I'm not familiar. Oral? Sorry, Will is upset because I haven't brought up his new sneakers yet. Oh, audio. Will got a new set of sneakers. Let's see the new balances. By the way, they are a symbol of pain. Can we get some clean applause for that? Can they see them on camera? They're for a big trip, where I'll be walking.

Oh, that's, okay. What trip are you going on? I'm going to Taiwan. Taiwan. Wow. Yeah. Is that a safe place to go? Why'd you look at Jensen? I'm just asking the room. It was racial.

It was racial. And Jeff has been making it racial since 2015. That's true. I tend to jump there as a jump scare. Yeah. does that make sense it works? I'm a walking haunted house It would be funny if just every movement I'm making Rattling chain and that's where I draw the line Because now Casey's made it racial. Okay. I like Casey. Happy st. Patrick's day. Thank you so much For you, you guys want to come to the smokehouse tonight? Now Casey's made it racial. By the way, Casey, happy St. Patrick's Day. Thank you so much. Oh yeah, happy St. Oh, so for you.

Do you guys wanna come to the smokehouse tonight? I was thinking of going. The smokehouse? In Burbank. For St. Patrick's Day? They have green beer and they have mash. But there's, like right down the street, what's it called, the Tammoshander,

which has a huge. Oh, you brought, and now you brought a Tammoshander. And now you stepped on a land... Oh, you brought, and now you brought him Tam O'Shanter. And now you stepped on a landmine, Casey. Jensen, you wanna talk about it? When we were in college, Jeff was obsessed with Tam O'Shanter. I wanna say Tam, yeah.

Yeah, and to the, we went, I mean, I think you and I only went there twice, but you talked about it daily. 50, yeah, times. Yeah. Is that it? I feel like we could go on and on and on about tamo shanters I would talk about this but why I mean I have this parasocial relationship with like ancient steak houses

Right and the smokehouse is sort of my new tam in terms of shanties the new tam have you never been no We I mean open and go regularly I go there a couple months a year I go there a couple months a year For two months straight? You go and then not again? Not straight, it's just like okay maybe 60 times a year That amounts to a couple months All told, yeah all in Music

Bond of the week Uh double oh and Anya's Hey Anya's- Hey! Anya! Hey Anya. And she, yeah, flipped me on. She's the producer of the show.

The person who you blamed for thinking I was Tate McCray. And are you not? I get asked that once a week. I was gonna ask you if that's annoying. It's not annoying. Mostly I'm excited that people are finally gonna learn how to spell my name properly, because we spell it the same way.

What do they normally spell it? People add an extra C, they spell it with a Y, they do an EA, they don't capitalize the R, she capitalizes the R, which is important. Do you have Irish heritage? Listen, I don't know. Okay. You know how, don't ask a black person

where their family's from. That's, I don't know. I I mean my dad found out the other day There was like some English night or something like in our very distant ancestry. He's really into it But that was just a gunkle that you had that bought like an up one by one land in my gunkle from 1602 Children's book you're working on book you're working on. My god, cool. Bond of the week, my Bond of the week this week. So basically 007, sorry now you got me stumbling over the finish line.

Daniel Craig is out as 007. Amazon has now, adding to the lore, bought the franchise. So we don't know who the next James is going to be, who the next James is going to bond. So every week we're lobbing up our pick for the next James to see who can kind of save the franchise. And you've suggested LeBron already? I have. This week it's actually Joseph P. Dot.

He's the creator of Chia Pets. Because he could be a James Sod. Off of bond. Sod off of bond. Aed off of Bond. A sawed off James Bond. Ooh, that's better. I had... He could use a sawed off.

That's also interesting. This is S-O-D as well. No, but I kind of took it to a new place. I took it to a new place. No other Bond has related more to dirt. No other Bond is as most well draining soil related yeah not competitive I misread my own outline and I do think the problem is that I started printing them out as opposed to reading them off a screen yeah because I'm trying to you know I

have zoom fatigue I obviously have a too much blue light on my eyes yeah and it was Montreal you needed we do need to move Montreal we need to move Philly we Berlin and you guys got listeners in Berlin I have a friend who has a brother It was Montreal you needed we do need to move Montreal. We need to move Philly Berlin and you guys got the listeners in Berlin. I have a friend who has a brother in Berlin. Okay, listen He is not the concert going tight Spend a night at home because you don't have any friends type. Oh, so like you make friends at my show. Yeah You haven't met this guy Listen my friend your fans are very nice They're what so my fans. Your fans are very nice.

They're one, so. My fans are the type of people who would befriend someone who doesn't have any friends. That's the energy that they bring. Until they meet Gavin. Well. It's dire. He's gotta go to the show now.

VIP, I'm gonna do the one less lonely girl thing and bring on some energy. I'm kidding. You start doing bizarre, like, bringing a fan from the nosebleeds out to the front and they don't want to. Well, it's become a thing now, like, do you guys listen to Role Model? Yeah.

Yeah, so he's been, he has a new song called Sally when the wine runs out, and out of his shows now, he brings up a fan and she's the Sally. Yes. And they dance, and it's very sweet. It's embarrassing for the fans. No, they love, they're desperate. Yeah.

They're clamoring for it. He is like, f*** McGee. Yeah, he're desperate. They're clamoring for it. He is like, f*** McGee. Yeah, he's handsome. That's a crazy way to say that he is. That's because I'm desensitized to it. Specifically, he wears the crop tops and it's just like, I mean, people are fawning over his flora.

Well, I was in his music video, so I got a Right, we talked about this on a walk. We did, yeah. We were walking at the Silver Lake Reservoir where I had seen him. And where you had gone to the wrong address. I did go to the wrong address. We were supposed to go to the Hollywood Reservoir, but every time someone asked me to meet them at the Hollywood Reservoir, I go to the Silver Lake Reservoir just by instinct alone. And if you're wondering why Amir isn't here, it's because he bailed last minute on the show. I just started feeling his absence,

because you guys aren't giving a lot. I saw Robin Pecknell at the Silver Lake Reservoir. Who is that? Fleet Foxes. Fleet Foxes himself. That's cool. I saw Ethan Hawke. We saw, who do we see?

Colin Farrell. Oh yeah. Ooh. That really got you. I totally forgot. I remember a lot and I forgot that. And I went to the Silver Lake Reservoir again like a month ago and I saw Olivia Rodrigo and Louis Partridge.

I saw Olivia Rodrigo at Little Dom's. Guys, let's turn this into where have you, fans leave a comment where you've seen Olivia Rodrigo. Casey, this made me think of you. Uh-huh. Go ahead and read that out loud. This is something that I saw this on my explore page. I instantly thought China.

Okay, this is an Instagram post. It says, I don't know when I became the quiet one, but I guess it was when the words started hurting more than the silence. When I realized that no one listened, so I just stopped trying. I stopped speaking my mind, stopped letting my heart spill out. There was a comfort in blending into the background

and being unnoticed because in the silence, I didn't have to face the wreckage inside. I was just a ghost in a room full of noise. Posted by Poetic Whispers. What is this? Is that a Jeffrey James original poem? No, this is Poetic Whispers. Well, but Stan, it's not impossible

that you're the author of that account. He does have it bookmarked, I noticed. I had it saved for this episode. Sure, yeah. Is that all we're using the screen for? We're gonna go ahead and not need the screen for the rest of the episode. No, but that just, you know, I've been trying to keep a lookout, I've been trying to foster community, right? Since the New Year.

Through poems? Yeah, through like kind of noticing shit and being like, that makes me think of Will. Yeah. You know? And then sharing that with them. So, Casey, that made me think of you yeah you know and then sharing that with them so Casey that made me think of you why just the you know the internal turmoil starting to spill external uh-huh someone you know showing up to the office and just being clear that you're struggling and so this is me sort of reaching out and actually

really yeah 17 more days on the Casey's making a movie I'm making a movie thank you so much we're at 32,000 out of 50,000 I would say yeah raised on the case he's making a movie I'm making a movie so much we're at thirty two thousand out of fifty thousand I would say yeah raised on the kick as of today if he doesn't get fifty thousand the movie doesn't get me it can't be true you said at the party last week I mean we will have to adjust and reschedule some stuff none of this backtrack. Yeah. Something's changed. There is a budget for the movie that we need to hit and the Kickstarter is a... Executive produced by the

Doughboys. Yes. Starring... any of the people I texted you? Well we had we had some auditions over the weekend. Yeah. Anyone famous? Anyone I would love? There might be some people you would love. No way. Is it... Is it what?

Is it Joseph P. Dot? The next Bond. No, we didn't see Joseph. Who's the most famous person who read for the role? I'm not, I can't. I'll bleep it out, this is for me and Will. I'm also here. You't. I'll bleep it out, this is for me and Will. I'm also here.

You don't give a shit. You're just here to hawk your merch. jensenmcray.com slash shop. That might be right. CaseyMakesMovies.com if you want to back the Kickstarter. CaseyMakesMovies.com if you want to back the Kickstarter. I like famous people gossip as well. As much as the next gal.

Well you have, you have some famous lovers. We are not going there! That was a crazy poll! We don't need to get specific, I just think that gives you street and I would say book cred. Famous authors used to co-mingle. They used to co-thringle. I'm shocked that you said that out loud. I can cut it if you want. No, you can leave it.

Most of the time I admire your bravery. Casey actually has a You have to stop talking. Will is safe because he's never gotten a fame in Edgewise. What are you about to say? No, no. He does not need to keep talking into a microphone.

In general. Got it. Wow. I thought you were gonna say that he dated my ex. No, that'd be interesting though. That would be really interesting. And I ran into your ex. What?

Yeah, he asked to borrow a lighter at a bar, and she was like, I don't have one, and that was it. And she did say he was there, but it was late at night when she told me. I don't know. But I'm telling you now on a recorded medium. And this is just for me and Jensen's friends. If they ever listen to this. He was there by himself, drinking by himself at the Thirsty Crow. Jeez.

Whoa. Okay, this is bringing us into the perfect segue. This is crazy. Jensen's, or sorry. Now you got me saying Jensen. Oh my God. This one was meant for Tate. This is the first segment that was meant for Tate.

Are you guys ready? Oh my God. Bringing it into... ["Tarzan Theme"] McCray's Gun Plays. Oh my god. Bringing it into... ["The Star-Spangled Banner"] McCrae's Gun Plays. So how many times have you handled a firearm? And this is only for you. And it's a quantitative, not qualitative segment.

Just a numbers fine. I've never even seen a gun in real life. Moving on then. Tate would have said four. You think the Canadian would have had more on the American? I fear she's in rooms where she's being handed a gun. For her own safety, I suppose. No, I think it's like William Nillard style tossing a gun hither than thither.

Will, you know what I'm talking about. William ****. I mean, that's not a very safe part of town, sir. Oh, it's beautiful When was last how many bougainvilleas are on your street because if there's more than two you're safe if there's less than one I would buy a gun. I think there's I think there's just the one so so far There might be opening one up down the street. So so far sounds. Yeah, you're starting to host weird backyard music shows Yeah, but Caleb because Caleb wants to sing he said he always wants to sing You're starting to host weird backyard music shows. So far, Samantha's kind of cute, yeah. But Caleb, because Caleb wants to sing, he said. He always wants to sing.

I offered him the one less lonely girl spot. I said, come on stage and sing Massachusetts with me at my show, and he said, absolutely not. Yeah, for Caleb, that. Do you want to sing it? I'll bring you on. There's only one less lonely me. Jeff, I will bring you on stage. That's a no-questions-asked, I'll bring you on stage's only one less lonely me That's a no questions asked I'll bring you on stage we don't have overlap

I think well there's overlap maybe on this show, but none of your listeners know who I am I would say probably none No, that's what you're supposed to be like no, maybe they no no they'll listen to when they see I'm on here They'll listen and you'll get a few like bookish kind PhD candidates. So many of them, because they're so earnest, they're so kind. Ours are the inverse of that. You're earnest. You don't give yourself enough credit. Not on this show, they don't know that.

Okay, nevermind. No, Jeff's not a sweetie pie. When I've met listeners in person, I think they're shocked at my kindness. Because you can turn it off. You've got layers, like an onion. Well, I would say like a funion. There's like two. Speaking of bookish, what'd you say, dorks?

I said PhD candidates. PhD, well what's the difference, right? I'm not, I didn't say it. You've met my brother-in-law? No. He was a Rhodes Scholar? I don't think I have. There's a huge contrast between me and my brother-in-law.

Sounds like it. He even got his doctorate from Oxford. I barely graduated high school. Yeah, that's that's so false See, it's tough when I bring on my real friends on the show cuz then they start to reveal secrets and shit I don't know secret to reveal that you're not a dumbass Company meeting Anya last week, well, you don't read. Yes, I do. Speaking of, I was in Brooklyn last fall

for a semester, really. For a semester abroad? And I wanted to write a book because I feel like that's more East. You know what I mean? Yeah. And so I'm going to write a book. I just like that's more East. You know what I mean? Yeah. And so I'm going to write a book. I just need the perfect title.

Okay. Before I get started and don't call it writer's block. I just am brainstorming for a long time. Yeah. So the new novel title is An Ecology of Trinidad and Diego. It's ultimately a marine biology textbook that describes the aquatic environs of the Caribbean. The catch? Every couple pages there's a Craigslist Mist Connections style ad taken out by a guy named

Diego who's wondering if the woman he just saw on the subway might be reading that book. So it's a book within a book? Yeah. It's a story within a book. It does tell its own tale within the text. So you can learn about Krill, and also maybe date a guy named Diego. Diego's real? I would say no.

So you can't really date him? Yeah, well, I mean, I feel like people form these parasocial, you know, it's fan fiction in your own mind as you read the Miss Connection and start to expound on that. There are Diego's everywhere for those with eyes to see. I think we all have a Diego. And I think Will, you want to speak on that? I was wondering more so about the ecology of Trinidad.

And would you be immersing yourself in the culture while you write it? Or is this more of an academic text you're borrowing from other authors? You're moving forward? I think it would be mostly based on interviews with other Marine biologists, I mean my my my brother-in-law was a marine biology minor I want to say at the University of Melbourne, so I think thank you There's more where that came from they get more and more offensive as we go small working our way up and And then this is a new segment. You guys all have to compliment me.

Jensen already gave you some really good compliments. You're off the hook. Casey, you have to compliment me. Jeff, I think you're a great actor and you're going to be acting in my movie. And you can go to casemakesmovies.com to help. And he treated it as a plug. Oh my God. What a stunties.com to help us. And he treated it as a plug. Oh my god. What a stunt queen.

Wow. Big reveal. We do have to take a break, and we'll be right back. Yay. Any questions, or anybody need a? Thanks for the Hannah Montana interlude. Wow. OK.

Just reflex with culture to see if you have Giardia. And we're back, uh, that's how we come back from the break beautiful really Wait, okay. Wait, can we get a sound for the sound board? Oh you yeah the last one that was sorry I wasn't even close to the last time we got a new one was from Kat Cohen. She said, well, I'll just play it. So just to give you some inspiration slash pin inspiration of the kinds of sounds that we look for. My hair position is GEO.

Cultural reference mixed with a pun. Oh, wait, really? But I want you to sing this shit. Okay, well, but I have to think of something. You don't need to do it right now. I'm just saying keep that in mind. And the rest of the episode is Tate focused, I have to say. Okay, yeah, for sure.

Just, yeah. Wouldn't have it any other way. I mean I appalled again. I blame on you and she's over here I only blame you Shit ass All right Will I've been blaming Brad for the fact that we haven't had an ad on this show since last August right I For the fact that we haven't had an ad on this show since last August, right? I do feel like the fault line is your ass suddenly. So Brad's off the hook and I'm right there on it. Correct I'm done with you guys. Okay, I'm selling my own goddamn ads. So I have be great wait

Including the head come podcasts and a lot of emails. Sure. And then they respond like, what is it? And I then have to figure that out on the fly and basically try to give it away for as cheap as I can. I think that this show, just while we have you in the room, the show is the staff podcast of the network that is hosted by Jeffrey James and has morphed into a surrealist variety show.

I think that the new log line that you've been kind of honing. It's great. The thing that advertisers need to hear is Celebrity famous famous famous so Jen's I don't know if you guys know her music. She could just pretty famous. I'm not famous Just milk You're saying I'm not famous with a shit-eating grin

Look how you're saying I'm not famous with a shit eating grin though. Because I don't know how much longer I can keep denying it. That's cool. That's what a famous person would say. Exactly. Well, I think you could do exactly what you said, but when you say your name, just say the famous Jeffrey James. I'm trying. I'm posting TikToks every week to try and become social media style. You are? I haven't been seeing them on my For You page. A lot of people are saying that. I need to lock in. I just need to lock in. Tick tocks every week to try and become social media style you are I've been seeing them on my for you page a lot Of people are saying that I need to lock in I just need to lock in no

It's not that my acting teacher was like you know you really need to be posting social media It's like I'm like I have and she's like what do you mean? I'm like look like you're not getting any of them. You know what I have seen the reels I have seen her and I just wouldn't call okay. I've been laughing and I've been I left it I'm sure I've left at least one comment. Yeah, I'm sure I've been commenting Thank you a lot. Casey's seen them. Welcome to the show Anya Ken of Sky Came in at just the right time is this even up? It's up enough. Can't hear you at all. This is my friend Jensen Jensen. This is Anya. It's so nice to meet you

Thank you for doing this of course better things for you. Did you meet Anya when you were here for SoTruz? He was just on SoTru true. I don't think I wasn't in oh yeah I love that show chance and there's a great episode I'm here to observe when you sent the email invite out for this I only read McCray So the entire rest of the outline is tate focused And I blame you She's staring at me, help me. Your voice quivered.

Yeah, you seemed terrified like a chihuahua. He was sounding so brave and strong when he had talked about it earlier, but now that you're in the room, he's gotten smaller and weaker. Should I leave? No, I think it's good for me. He texted last night, are you on the episode? I said, please can you be on the episode because I'm your bail Welcome to Tate on tape Yeah, we'll just we'll get through this

This go to New York to get the coffee No, I got a cup of I got a couple of these for to, because I was spending too much money on Cofife, and this way I can kind of brew at home and take it on the go. What's that? In a to-go cup? This is to-go. Like you make, get it home,

but then you put it in a to-go cup? What is confusing about this to you? It's like a single-use plastics kind of conversation. It's cardboard. And it's also kind of like New York culture appropriation. Well, he had his semester abroad there. I was gonna say. Early last year.

Did you bring them back? I'm not gonna take the mic off. I'm glad that's common knowledge. It's time to dive into Tate. Yeah, sorry, Tate on Tate. These are things that, well, not you, but Tate has said. Okay. And I just wanted to get some clarifying you know

He means Andrew. I think Wow by the way. I'm rationalizing this in my head by being like this is kind of my between two ferns moment Correct yeah, that's why I'm rationalizing all of your behavior travel turns Sorry, sorry can I speak go for it? Can I have the floor? I'm gonna go you have it I? Can I speak? Go for it. Can I have the floor on my own god damn floor? You have it. I traveled so much as a child.

When I was four, we moved to the Oman in the Middle East. We lived there for three years and I got to explore Oman as well as many places around there. So Jensen, what was it like living in that part of the world at such a young age? Is this what the whole thing is? And he's gonna have like 20 of these. I'm just trying to gauge, I'm trying to gauge

like how much of this is, how much of the bit am I committing to, at what point am I supposed to do like fake outrage, like I'm just trying to kind of map it out in real time. I feel like the more you guessed on the show, the more you're allowed to scream at me. Well I'm not, I would never raise my voice at you. You would just kind of in a calm voice

say something deeply cutting that I think about. I'm not I would never raise my voice at you You would just kind of in a calm voice say something deeply cutting that I think I will I will not use my advanced knowledge of your character to make a cutting remark sullying my history I would never do that Obviously, I'm very proud to be Canadian because there's a lot of crazy cool artists that come out of Canada What's it like being Canadian to you? I wish I was Canadian if I'm being if I'm take, if I'm gonna just kind of face this head on, I wish I was Canadian in a lot of ways. And you just sold a couple tickets to Montreal.

Thank you Montreal. I once asked a friend, my British friend, if I could pass for Canadian, and he said, absolutely not, you're too loud. Are they quiet? I don't know if they're quiet. They're not as loud as Americans. Well they They're not as cool. They're not as yeah They're polite really that's the whole thing you should go next semester abroad should be there. Where'd you get this Breton? St.. James, that's what I'm gonna be There little be addifying you I'm still dancing my mom owns a dance company What's your relationship to your mother's dance company?

Okay, I'm just gonna keep answering these as if they're about me. When I did do, I took hip-hop classes as a child. And I was, no, I was quite bad. And the funny story about that is that my hip-hop teacher wanted to do a flash mob because it was like 2011. And unfortunately, well, here's the thing. So I signed up for the class where he was gonna teach everybody the flash mob dance, I was the only one who showed up. So he taught me the dance, and then he ended up doing the dance alone in the mall.

So you showed up, learned it, didn't show up. I didn't learn that much of it, I was not good. So two people committing to memory of flash mob dance. So what is it called if it's just a... A solo guy. I think it's a... A solo guy. It's a beautiful performance.

It's a free solo. It's a free solo. It's a free solo. Me and my friends are obsessed with Ariana Grande's album, Eternal Sunshine. We think it's the greatest album ever. Who specifically are your friends and why do they have such garbage taste?

I love Ariana Grande. Well, you have to say that Who specifically are your friends and why do they have such garbage taste? I love Ariana Grande. Well, you have to say that because like the Tina Fey bit with Bo and Yang, it's like you're too successful to shit talk other celebrities. I also, well, I don't have any, how could I have beef with Ariana Grande? Like she's great. She's great. Would it not be helpful? Would you start beef for the career?

Like is there... I would love, well, okay, here's the thing. I've told this to my managers, my publicist, I've told everybody. I would love to be in a PR relationship. Yeah. Also, I would not mind having a nemesis for the plot. But it would have to be, it would have to be like principled. Who should it be? Who's your ideal nemesis in terms of like where you think that the songs, like writing diss tracks to each other could be? Oh, I wasn't thinking musician. I was thinking more of like I would have like it'd be more like a political nemesis

That'd be fun, um, I don't have any beef with that man. No, who's your ideal arch nemesis? I mean, it would probably be like some like young Republican somewhere. No, but that's not earnest I feel like it has to be like what Jen's McCrae's beef with like fucking Post Malone. I I feel like it wouldn't have to be someone like kind of comparable in their career to me Like I feel like it could be super famous I don't we can put that we can put a pin in that and you guys can think about you and Caleb are like equally famous Caleb's way more famous than Capacity rooms no no his rooms are bigger than mine. I think that's cool

The same capacity rooms no no his rooms are bigger than mine. I think oh, that's cool that fucker Your dreams are valid no matter how big or small What if your dream is to for your nickname to be Jeffrey the kid? I'm gonna kind of spin that over to Casey and will actually tape McCrae said that Tate McCrae says your dreams are valid no matter how big or small and then my question for Tate was gonna be what if you Do you really believe that even if your dream is for your nickname to be Jeffrey the Kid? I think it is

A goal that's reachable, but near impossible. Yeah, cuz you're getting older. Yeah every day Billy the Kid was like 40's him. Maybe he means like goat Yeah, it's like Billy the Kid. When Jeffrey the Kid came to town. Wait, is that why they say that? Because it's like the kid is the goat? Billy the Kid. Do you guys get what I'm saying? I get what you're saying, but I feel like... I've been tuning you out.

Like the kid in terms of like, you know, like an old west style. I don't think they were using the term goat. But now it's kind kinda come back around. Yeah. When Jeffer the Kid came to town. Implied to be baby faced as well.

Oh, okay. To have kind of a youthful exuberance. Jeff is kind of a goat, you know, a Jeff of a time. You know? That's really good. He is the most Jeff. Holy shit. The movie is going to be just like that. KCMakesMovies.com

For more of that? The movie is very totally different. Sorry. I really did think you were going to do an Andrew Tate versus Tate McCray thing. I don't want to give him a platform. I don't want to say his name. Because I feel like the more you say someone's name, the more power they have. We say it one more time, he appears.

Yeah. Suddenly Jeff Bezos appears. I don't want to say his name because I feel like the more you say someone's name the more power They have one more time he appears Here's what I'll need from you guys is to kind of fill the space for once instead of me kind of guiding everyone's I Think I just slam dunk the joke here If you could just maybe you could wax about the Breton maybe I have to have a row Jeff wouldn't recognize them. If you could just, maybe you could wax about the Breton, maybe... I do have something to talk about. Okay. I just want to get ahead of it before it comes up in the comments. You're canceled?

You did a crazy thing with this mic arm, and it's like right in the middle of your shot. That's interesting. This is never like this. Like there's a big, like this is crazy. That's interesting. I'm just saying that that's not how headgum usually does it, and I don't want people to think it is. I never like this. Like there's a big, like this is crazy. That's interesting. I'm just saying that that's not how headgum usually does it,

and I don't want people to think it is. Do you wanna give people the song, the song that if they, just for like 30 seconds, I need you to vamp, really. You want me to sing? I need you to JD vamp, right? Do you want me to, or talk about a song? Do you wanna sing?

No. Just talk about the song that's the best song for someone to be introduced to you with I mean the song of mine that is the one that most people know so if you don't already know me like this is the One that'll get you in the early conversations is Massachusetts It's like the song that I like went viral for like a year and a half ago, and I put it out last June and Yeah, it's that it's on the last track of the album, I guess was technically the first single.

And there's more stuff coming out, but that's the one that I think is- And then what's the deep cut that you love the most? Off my first album, I have a song called Machines, and it's like one of my managers, it's his favorite. And I feel like my OGs really like that one. But actually, no, I'll say that the first single off my first album, White white boy because it doesn't stream

Insane amount of time to keep talking about these songs. Are you from Massachusetts? No, oh my ex was from Massachusetts Oh, what part of Massachusetts are you from? North of Boston? Okay. Why where's he from? Oh, I can't say okay I've committed to not telling people because the town's too small. It's Brookline and it's Conan O'Brien. I wish. I wish. That's huge.

I would write a song about him too. ["Bomba Rice"] Bomba rice, burn it all night. Read it it's rights, it can't take no more, I'm adding soy, adding hoys, mixing in parboiled, we can make rice spoil, we can make rice spoil. In the kitchen of our house, in center of our walk Adding tons of fish sauce Till the rice tastes like chalk In the back of Nobu Matsuhisa spreads lies

Never Omokase Burning rice will spread thighs I think I'm adding Hoisin and sweet and sour sauce Ideally tastes like poison That's when you get a sports Char that can burn the bomba Till it turns into and sour sauce, ideally tastes like poison. That's when you get a sports char that can burn the bomba till it turns into tar.

Burn rice till it hisses, ruined basmati hisses, pretty black charred grits, burnt to a crisp. If it tastes like shit, we can shove the rice far past our lips. O-M-S-B, consistency. Mouthfeel of sand, sloshing around your mouth. It hurts your glands. Burned the corner of my mouth. Couldn't care less, that's fine.

I'd rather burn my whole bod than ever eat at Spago. I think you know that sand's the perfect consistency No, you ain't got good bomba Until it smokes like cigars We can scrape the rock off Pour that joy into jars Burnt long great white rice hisses I will fuck no booze misses

I think I'm adding bean curd And calling Gordon R I'm hurling slurs at Ramsay until he finally scorched char. We can lampoon Wolfgang, his whole vibe is bizarre. Chefs don't serve rice that hisses, so they deserve my disses. OMSBB, you don't wanna trust that chef, chef. Let's burn rice, rice. Let's burn rice, rice.

Let's burn rice. Almsbeebee. You don't want to trust that chef, chef. Let's burn rice, rice. Let's burn rice. I'm burning bomba bomba. Until it's got a scorched char. Yeah, you'll have great full glands

when you burn rice from cans. Really good. Yeah. I think it would have been really good if we didn't have all this breaks in between the verses. Yeah, I'm gonna probably cut that together, so it's perfect Yeah, yeah, that's cool. I really yeah, there's no way to explain that How do you say that to someone who has never seen me do it?

So I just feel like I've you've been talking about rice kind of like I feel like when I met you that you were doing Bits about rice a decade of rice. Yeah Wow I met you that you were doing bits about rice a decade of rice. Yeah. Wow So you talk about it outside of the show as well I think I used to I've made puns on rice for a long time Yeah, when I first started interning at head gum There was a restaurant called OMS be which was next outdoor to the head gum studio So we would just do puns on rice because that was in an own Aguirre restaurant that had a lot of it was like 90% rice 1%

Salted cod and 9% seaweed so fascinating to finally know why you started doing the rice stuff. Oh, I didn't know you didn't know. Don't ever talk to me like you're a psychotic analyst. And here's the thing, it doesn't make sense. Right, he's next to a rice restaurant, but that doesn't mean that he did. Learning that might click for something, but it's just you were's next to a rice restaurant, but that doesn't mean that he's dead. Learning that might click for something, but it's just you are next door to a rice place. I mean, that's-

An onigiri restaurant, sure. I would have guessed that's what it is, because most of what Jeff does is based on a billboard he's seen the last time he saw. Have you seen these billboards around town that's anxious? Find Christ. Are those the AIDS Health Foundation ones? don't know they're bad they're bad oh you're not

supposed to support them although they do out of the closet things like that oh is that bad yeah oh they that was good everybody backed a lot of weird housing bills they've been okay I'll stop bringing my clothes there then I know oh man, okay We're welcome and a genuine audience at home. Be careful. Do your research? No I cuz I lot out of the closet was good I know my clothes there for years Hey Executive producer level ten thousand dollars for Casey's that's an in association with credit if you're interested in being Excuse me if you're interested in being an executive producer you could email us at devil loves me deeper at gmail.com

And we can talk that's cool Yeah, here's here's another thing I'll say plugs Clip that what are you guys going on? What do you want to point the people towards? Let's start with, I want to say, Tate. Right. Really? No.

Shit. Um, tour, album, personal stuff. Your podcast, your substack. Those are all things I have. Um, I think the most, most importantly would be that my album comes out on April 25th It's called I don't know how but they found me feels crazy to be saying that now given all that's transpired But I mean in this room Comes out on April 25th and my tour the praying for your downfall tour starts on May 3rd

I'm feeling some cities. Yeah, Philly, there's still tickets. LA Night Two still got tickets. Manchester and Bristol and a bunch of cities overseas. And it is in Manchester by the sea. It's not Manchester, unfortunately. Even though you have a song called Massachusetts. I am playing in Boston, but that show sold out a while ago. Where in Boston? At the Sinclair.

It's technically in Cambridge, but yeah, Philly, Montreal, I think Salt Lake still needs to sell tickets as well. Are you gonna... Are you gonna go to Swig? What's that? It's the... Crap soda place? I don't really do that. I don't either, but this place specifically is like Mormon sodas.

They put the creamer in the soda. I feel like probably my band will go there. They love it. Like, my band is my little brother and my best friend and one of his best friends and then another fellow that my little brother went to school with. Yeah. Who's on thin ice in the band? I meant to ask. Who's on thin ice in the band? Like who's the closest to being cut?

I mean, I guess technically if you got last in first out kind of thing, my bass player's new. Oh. But he's really good, so I don't think we can do that. And then my little brother, obviously hired because of nepotism. He can't go. I would say he'd be the easiest to fire because you could explain it. And also, he has to love the shit out of you. No, but he's also, unfortunately, everyone in my band's really good.

So it'd be kind of a hard, it'd be a tough one to get rid of anybody. Also, I just wanted to give you a couple of minutes to rail against DEI because you and I were having that private conversation. Privately against DEI? Well, here's the thing. I love DEI, I love all of the affirmative action that I've been afforded. Or at least I should say all the affirmative action that people think I've been afforded. That's cool. When I was in high school, everyone told me that I got into college because of affirmative action.

My God. Well, your high school was terrible. Yeah, well, the school, it's a good school. The socially tough for anyone who was not, if you were not white and athletic. If you weren't regular. Where did you grow up? I grew up here.

Yeah, yeah. Mm. And were you regular? I was not one of the regulars. Terrible. We went to similar styles of high school. Yes, yeah, this is just a conversation. We should have after the show sure sure Will you there's no way, but do you have anything to plug? It's honestly rude, but it's true

I'll say I'll beat him to it. Casey make a movie. Donate to making the movie that Casey wants to make, please. Go to casymakeamovie.com. casymakesmovies.com. I was gonna say. You should probably redirect both now. All right, I guess I'll buy another website.

That's cool. For Casey make a movie? Casey make a movie. That's for the movie with Italian subtitles. Yeah, that's a great idea No, it isn't The movie I'm making my love for you is deep But the devil loves me deeper is kind of inspired by old Italian horror movies It might be fun to do like an Italian dubbed version of the movie. Yeah, maybe

Donation goal then probably get those Italian actors. I'm going to tell people to go to kcmakesmovies.com. kcmakesmovies.com. We'll take you to the Kickstarter. I'm working on it? Anya, kind of sky as a producer on the movie. So this is just coming out now? I didn't, it's not mine to mention.

That's the first time it's coming out on this episode, yeah. Kind of been burning the candle up both ends. Trying to make the movie made, getting some casting done, done some locations done I heard you had notes on the script Yeah, character names only. I had a massive room for improv Well, you did ask if you could name your character, which I did Do you remember the name of the character you you wanted to name your character? Damien salvage? No, what was it? No, in the script it's Brad, you said,

can I name my character Sandy? And I said yes, but it can be Damien Salvage if you prefer. Well, you're only saying that because the name is never said out loud. Yeah, but it will be in the credits. That's cool. Do the people know about the short film

that Jeff and I made when we were in college? We've never talked about it. We made a short film with that guy Jackson Williams. Jackson White who went on to be in that Catherine Hahn vehicle. Mrs. Williams? Not everything's Williams. Sorry, can we get that clean? That's in the sound bite. I don't remember what the name of that show. Maybe Mrs. Fletcher, I want to say.

Mrs. Fletcher. But then he was also, the show that he's in now, which is like hugely popular is Tell Me Lies. He got work after that? It's Tell Me Lies. Have you not seen this show? No. Oh, you and Anna need to watch it.

It's fantastic. Why? Tell Me Lies? It's like pretty little. Yeah, it's based on a book. Ugh, I don't want any other piece of homework. It's like, it's at Senator College. It's at Senator College.

It cuts back and forth between 2007 and 2015. The perfect years to have. Perfect years. And it's like, he plays like an extremely toxic boyfriend. Sure. Sorry, so why does Anna and I need to, why don't? It's a warning. Because it's a great show,

I think it's a great show for couples to watch. Because it'd be like, not to be gender conforming, but I think it's a show that a lot of girlfriends would be like, I love this, and then their boyfriends would be like, I'm not gonna watch that, but then they're standing in the door jam, kind of looking in, like, I think it's a show that like a lot of girlfriends would be like, I love this. And then their boyfriends would be like, I'm not gonna watch that. But then they're standing in the door jam, kind of looking in like, well, wait, what did he say?

What did he say? So I think you should just cut that part and go straight to sitting on the couch and enjoying it. What a slice of life that you narrowed in on. It's so real. What's your dumb ass show? I actually love it more than you now. That's the Sex and the City effect.

Yeah, yeah. And the Bachelor and like Gossip Girl and stuff. What about the Hedgen podcast, Island? Oh. I love this. This would be like a four episode arc, where like, well, you know. If there can be some kind of voting mechanism

where you vote players off, I am in. The goal would be like, we rent a Swimpley, we're all in a pool, and we're funneling, I don't know, what do you drink, White Russians? Jesus. Is there any coming back from that or? I don't think so. I don't drink cause I get stomach ache.

It ends right there. No, I need to get my plugs. Also you and Swimpley, that tracks. What's that? You didn't plug. I did, I said CaseyMakesMovies.com because I'm making a movie. I've got another thing to say about the movie in case listeners are on the fence on if they want to back the project or not. I'll give a little spoiler for the movie. Jeff's character, what is it, Damien Salvage?

Architectural salvage. Damien architectural salvage gets brutally murdered in the movie, so if you want to see that happen. You've reached your limit on talking. Shut the fuck up. I have a movie hitting theaters. How cool is that to say? Oh no. Are you crying? The karma hit you fast. in on how cool is that to say no April 11th it's gonna be all across the United States I don't know which theaters but it's gonna be in 300 screens across the

United States marshmallow I also I think there's a scene where it seems like sorry. I do get brutally murdered Georgia Wiggins in that movie from Ted This is real is real. Okay Congratulations, but mostly follow me on tik-tok and Instagram because I need to make money off of social media Really you thought there'd be more. Are you really in a movie? Yeah. Marshmallows. That's why I was in Kentucky for a month. I thought you were doing one of your study abroads. That was a Hidgum Original. Hello and welcome.

Or hi, my name is Cole. My name is Andrew. We host a podcast called Podcasts but outside where Cole and I set up a table on the sidewalk and talk to strangers who are walking by. We have a sign on our table that says, hi, be a guest on our podcast and we will pay you one dollar. We are the only ethical podcast. We're the only podcast that pays.

We have really interesting conversations with really fun folks. Like who? Like Marilyn. Okay. And I was somebody else's wife for a while but the second one worked out well until he died oh I'm sorry to hear that it turned out he had a double life what what was the second life he is a crack addict hold on how do you hide he was a nice old Jewish guy how did he get addicted to crack? He started smoking it.

I know, but I just, I'm just trying to, I know.