The HoneyDew with Ryan Sickler - Patrick Renna - RennaDew

Episode Date: January 8, 2024

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You guys know what we're doing over here. We're highlighting the lowlights. I always say these are the stories behind the storytellers. I am very excited to have this guest on, ladies and gentlemen. First time here on The Honeydew. Please welcome Patrick Renna. Welcome to The Honeydew. Thank you.

Thank you. I was stoked to get you on thank you thank you i was stoked to get you on here bro i i was stoked to do it thanks for it's very kind of you to do this um before i love that highlight the low lights it's brilliant thank you right it's a it's an elevator pitch you get it right when you say it like i get this it's great you fucking know what you're talking i started crying immediately when i was in uh college uh in the mid 1990s the late 1900s i uh will never forget studying film and one of the things was about pitching and just can't get the get to the do it in an elevator you got 30 fucking seconds get it done and i remember the pitch for alien the very first 1970s alien yeah they said it's

jaws in space and it's done yeah done and i was like oh my god yeah yeah jaws in space what of course i'm in yeah we're in so yeah highlighting the low lights is exactly what it is i'm tired everybody's espn top 10 highlight instagram bullshit Here's how great my life is. Let's really see what's going on. So before we do, please plug, promote everything and anything you would like. Yeah. I mean, we were just talking about it. You know, I, all my socials are Patrick Renna. So you can check that out. I'm diving into socials a lot more starting a YouTube channel. I have a apparel line now, Hambino athletics. So it's Hambino athletics.com. And then, uh, I'm going to start a podcast myself soon.

Uh, probably, I guess you could say a fatherhood. I need to work on my elevator pitch. I don't even know it yet. So, but it's a fatherhood, uh, centric podcast and, uh, just, you know, or, you know, any parenthood type thing. So we'll have guests on and talk about it. And then even if they don't have kids, we'll talk about how they don't have kids and that sort of angle of life and just have a good time doing it. Great.

I'm going to snap some pictures of your studio because it's fucking great. Thank you. Take some pictures. You don't mind. I don't mind at all. Okay, good. Well, first of all, I want to get to know you because I think like most of us, first of all, you're an icon. You're a childhood legend.

You're in one of the most famous movies of all time. It's quoted everywhere. I'm sure there are a gazillion fucking memes out there as well, right? Yeah. But I want to talk to you because I don't know you. Um, but I want to talk to you cause I don't know you and I would love to know, first of all, where you're from originally. Um, and what your, what childhood was like for you before all that. Cause how, just real quick, were you 13 in that movie? Yeah, I was, uh, yeah, I, I was 13 when I filmed at 14 when it came out. So. So let's talk about life before that then start there. Yeah. I think, I mean, I'm from Boston. Okay. I was born and raised there.

I left when I was 12. And I think that's. You left with mom, dad, by myself. I said, no, just kidding.

I was going to be like, you're not one of those Britney Spears kids. No, no, no. They just shipped your ass off. Yeah. They said, get the hell out of here.

No, I, I left with my mom my mom and dad split when i was 11 and i was in i went to boarding school for a few years and i always you know uh i always appreciate what's that like well at a young age it was wild and is that a sleepover thing for you? Yeah, it is. Okay, you're going away. And you do your own laundry and, you know. And how old are you? I was, I had my 11th and 12th birthday doing it. So. And why?

Well, I, so I think that my parents sent me away because they were getting a divorce. And I, you know, my memory of it is not this like horrible, messy divorce. So I kind of always appreciated that is it just you no stress me okay and i remember my mom telling me because the boarding school was in oregon on like a mountaintop overlooking this like beautiful valley uh she told me they were getting divorced and it wrecked me i was like you know that's where she told you yeah but she i think she wanted me to have space and sure. And I had a rough time with it, but I always appreciated that they sent me away for that because they're really good friends. Now they'll stay at each other's homes. They're, uh, they're

both remarried their husband and wife or they're, you know, they'll go to dinner, the four of them. And that always meant a lot to me because I have friends whose parents want to rip each other's jugular jugulars out still to this day 40 years later right and you're like wow you still you got you share kids how can you carrying that poison and that toxic fucking behavior it's rough to see i think that kills you it does and it meant a lot to me that they that they i didn't experience any of that negative what did your parents do for a living? You know, they were business partners in, I don't even know what it was. It was some sort of, it was before computers.

So whatever, you know, some sort of technology company before computers. So typewriters, I don't know. They did something, you know, It was that kind of world. And they owned it with this other guy. And so that's what they did. And so then they're splitting. You go to this boarding school where? Oregon.

Okay, that's where it was in Oregon. So I was kind of back and forth between Oregon and Boston. And at that boarding school, you're learning basically to take care of yourself? Is that what they're teaching you? Yeah, which is wild. I was going to say, when you said the age i'm like all right my daughter's nine i want to hear what they got you doing at 11 laundry you're doing you're doing laundry they they have they have um i don't know what they call it now like a personal teacher is what they called it which is essentially like a not a guardian but just one of the teachers is assigned to every kid is

assigned to a teacher outside of class. So they like sort of just make sure you're doing okay. A bit of a chaperone. Yeah. And so I used to steal laundry tokens from her. It was great. But she was, I know, she, she was awesome and helped me. Also, my parents would come out and visit a lot. I would go home. I wasn't there in the summer. So it wasn't. So while they're figuring their shit out to split amicably and there's a business involved as well, you're over here also learning responsibility and how to take care of yourself.

Yeah. And they never really confirmed that that's why they sent me. But I think it is. Okay. You know. But then you come back. Well, so the only negative is it was all you could eat buffet. Are you being serious?

I'm being dead serious, my friend. From zero to 11, I was a skinny kid. I'm not kidding. Now, my dad. Is that true? It's true. My dad, when he was a kid was a fatty just like me so i obviously have it in me to you know get big but i put on some pounds you ate those feelings and i remember

my mom seeing me picking me up and like oh you're done there so she pulled me to la she knew i wanted to be it's true it's true she knew i wanted to be an actor too so it's probably a you know double thing but if you i so i moved to la and you know with mom with mom and she had a job opportunity out here um at like an investment firm or something so All right, so mom's going Boston to Oregon to scoop you up. And then get the fuck out of there. And now we're in LA at what, like 13? You're just about to start high school? Yeah, so I- Or just before this.

91, I landed in LA, 12. 12, okay. Now where's dad? He stays in Boston? Dad's in Boston. All right. But still good relationship? Yeah.

Okay. Great relationship. They both meet significant others a year or two after they divorce so like they're they're kind of it's funny their paths outside of divorce are very similar and it's funny you know they like they they both got married around the same time to you know younger they both went younger good for them you know what i mean yep they both are about 10 years younger and uh they've been with them ever since so okay um yeah so it was i i'm in la i'm uh you know she i i start dieting for one and then uh you know start acting um You knew you wanted to be an actor that young, huh? You knew it. I did school plays in Boston and I did some modeling. And yeah. What turned you on to that? Your parents were

in like the professional world. So where are you getting this? I know. I don't know. I try and think about that. I think I just had that personality and I, I never really was forced to do it. You know, I didn't, my mom didn't go on sets with me. We would hire people. She refused to be a stage mom, uh, which is really funny. Cause I saw this documentary later for free Willy. So this is, I did a, my first audition was sam lot and i i booked it but right before that isn't that crazy it's a lot that's a mega millions lottery yeah it's my first first audition was salute your shorts which was this tv show back in the day i booked it my second audition was sam i booked it so i'm like two for two which i I feel like I'm setting up what this podcast is about. Because I had this great beginning.

Then I meet Pauly Shore. Real quick. Yeah, yeah. Do you still get residual checks? I'm not asking how much, but still something comes in the mail, does it not? Yeah, yeah. We do for Sandlot. But it's not as much as you'd think.

I don't even know what I think it would be anymore. I mean, how old is it now? 30 years. 30, right? God. But it's still, I mean, it was top 25 the other day on iTunes. That's what I'm saying. And I was a little, and I was with some of the other guys.

I was like, Jesus, how is this movie still once in a while just popping up? Because it's one of those generational fucking things it just goes like a wizard of oz it really is it was it was i'm sorry good no sure oh yeah i'm just saying so i i finished sandlot i think my next audition i think was for paulie shore and i booked it i i i know i was two for two maybe i had a few in there what was the paulie shore movie son-in-law oh you were in son-in-law yeah i was a little kid in that um so i i had a few in there. What was the Pauly Shore movie? Son-in-law. Oh, you were in Son-in-law. Yeah, I was a little kid in that. So I had a lot of success in the beginning. But I was saying the funny thing was because I was saying my mom wasn't a stage mom.

So I did do this cattle call for Free Willy right when I got to LA. It wasn't an audition, but they just had thousands of kids in lines. And you would just walk up to this table and they would say, they'd ask you like five questions. And if you answered right, you'd go on to the next stage. It was really weird and honestly a little sick, but like, do you remember any of the questions? Well, yeah. So one of the things is what sports do you like? And I forget what I said. I think I said basketball and I had such an attitude. I remember having an attitude, which I'm like, why? But then they said, do you like swimming? And I said, no, I like math.

And then they sent me away. That was done. But later, years later, I see this documentary and it's about stage moms. And they have this found footage of free willy cat cattle call nah and my mother is standing there in the line you're in it my mom is in this stage mom thing with her arms crossed looking pissed but this is my bostonian mom who's like i don't have time for this shit like get me out of here and it's just funny that she's in that because she couldn't be farther from a stage mom because she just didn't want to do it you know and that world when did you see that did you tell her like hey

mom i totally she was so pissed she was like that she did not like it she didn't like it her name's also karen so this whole karen thing she's all pissed out like she's just already yeah she is she's from boston and just you know through just full bostonian uh anyway so that i i think my my parents did it right i think um as far as i can tell you know i like to think i have a good head on my shoulders but just all those all those traps all those um you know for, for young Hollywood, for actors in Hollywood that people get into, they sort of help me avoid. Yeah, that's what you hear all the time. The young kids are getting introduced to drugs early. Right.

Or you hear about the molestation and all the stuff that's going on. These adults are even ignoring these kids, you know. Yeah. going on these adults are even ignoring uh these kids you know yeah so you would have basically like a chaperone that was hired to make sure that you were like do what about schoolwork like how's that so sandlot we didn't have any school it was summer summer and my stepdad actually came with me on sandlot okay he was he's a photographer too so he has these really cool old photos that oh hell yeah they let him shoot behind the scenes. Yeah. Like you could never do that now,

but this was 1992 and they were like, sure, come on in. And he was like a set photographer for free. And we have all this great stuff. Oh, hell yeah. Um,

so school, school was, was fine there. Uh, as I got older and did other movies during, you know, the actual school season, I,

I would do, uh, I would do school on set, during, you know, the actual school season, I, I would do, uh, I would do school on set, which, you know, school on set, at least in the nineties was a joke. I mean, I remember I played chess with my set teacher on some law, like, you know, and he was a great guy. Don't get me wrong. Like we had fun, but like, they're trying to learn a curriculum that you're getting somewhere else and figure out how to do this for it's impossible. You know, you can't keep up. So that's a little bit of a difficult thing, I think, for young actors is schooling and keeping up. I imagine, too, that like Sandlot, for instance, is a bunch of guys your age.

That's probably a fun fucking time. Oh, yeah. But then you have son-in-law. Yeah. And they're mostly adults in that film. So are you starting to miss your friends? Are you starting to feel isolated? Like, hey, I'm not getting to hang around kids my age because you're working so much.

And what kind of schedule are you working? Are you there for a week at a time or you know i think luckily i came onto the scene i think after probably a lot of tragedy in hollywood because like coogan the coogan account is uh based on coogan i don't even know his first name but a kid back in the day that had all his money stolen from his parents. Yeah. Shit like that you hear about all the time. That's right. So I came in right after stuff like that. So they, luckily. So there were some things in place to protect you. And things like, okay. You only work eight hours a day. And, you know, I don't know. I guess to Hollywood, I met with Judy Savage, who is the child agent of the 90s. She was the biggest thing, wonderful woman.

She's obviously since passed. She was older then. But she said to me, she set expectations when she met with kids. She went, don't expect to work for two years. And so I went, don't expect to work for two years. And so I went, okay. And then I immediately was on 20th Century Fox and then Disney and like working with all these stars. And so I guess I just sort of counted my blessings and went, wow. Like I felt like I struck gold because i didn't have these bad experiences um i son-in-law

was great for me i mean tiffany emmerthysen was on it and i think i was in love with her my whole childhood so and like you know she's such a she was so fun pa Pauly Shore, big brother to me. Carla Gugino, like a big sister to me. She was on it. Cindy Pickett was my mom, and she was incredible. Lance Smith was the dad. These are just like, these guys have been doing this forever. And I was the only kid, so they loved me. And they kind of like took me under their wings. So, um,

I had a good experience on that. I, I think after son-in-law, I did the big green, which was another Disney movie and it was kids over the summer. Again, we had a great time, but that's where I started. You know, I was 15 now. Um, you start getting interested in girls, you know, I was 15 now. You start getting interested in girls, you know. It's not just dudes on a baseball field anymore. And there were some female stars in that movie that were beautiful. And you're like, so you're starting to hit puberty. Like, it's kind of a weird time, you know.

So I think that, uh, that experience was fine. I was still young enough, but then after that, that was my third big movie. I started experiencing, I think the downside of Hollywood, the, you know, you start, you're 18 now, 19. Um, I, you know, I got in really good shape that during those years, because I wanted to meet people and, you know, have a girlfriend and things like that. I met some really close friends of mine that we spent a lot of time together. We were the, like the three headed monster, but we definitely partied a lot, you know? And that's kind of, I think when that, when you start to go, what am I doing? You know, the, the two day hangovers after, you know, crazy weekends and things like that.

I luckily, I didn't get into drugs too much. Nothing pretty intense, never experienced that, but you know, just that like young party scene. Now I'm auditioning and now I'm getting rejected and like having experiencing what Judy Savage warned me about. But I didn't really experience it till my. You sort of got it in reverse. I got it in reverse. I see. Which is interesting because I just had this crazy launch and like just took off like a rocket. And then yeah, in my teens and stuff, it slowed a little bit. So I guess those, those are the times where you get humbled a little bit.

And I always look at people that have an attitude now and I go, no matter who you are, you will be humbled. It's common. It's common. And it doesn't matter. Every single person will be humbled. And you just got to remember that because you just want to treat people right as much as you can. I mean, yeah, everyone has a bad day. I do too. But you're just becoming a young man at 18. Yeah. And now movies are not going the way they were.

Right. Did you ever have a backup plan was there anything else you ever wanted to be what was what were you going through at that time no living by yourself are you still with your mom no i moved out at 21 okay um and luckily never had to move back in i didn't have a backup plan uh did you go to college did you no no and i i mean i my stepdad is a contractor so i i had there was a period and a photographer yeah he's not a professional photographer he's just really really good he's one of those dudes it's like i'm self-taught you know i guess one of the greatest photos i've ever seen in my fucking life yeah i mean he has photos from the sandlot that are better than the set photographer i believe it um but he you know i uh wait what were you

talking about um navigating life after things are slowing down now and you have no backup plan you didn't go to college so i no i didn't go to i didn't go to college and i oh i was saying i i had a little bit of real estate background just because i would help my step dad oh he's a contractor yeah so i so i never like flipped houses but there was a period in my late 30s when i had kids um where i started doing some stuff in that world. That's kind of the only other thing I've done, but in my twenties, I mean, things were cheaper than two. I, I had this house, this four bedroom house with two roommates and we each paid 600 bucks a month and it was in Eagle Rock, which I don't know, like, I know Eagle Rock back then too. Yeah.

These houses are a million dollars., like, forget about it. I had this mansion, and we used to have parties. We were the famous orange house in Eagle Rock. So I didn't have a backup plan, but that's what's scary. A friend of mine was a professional pitcher in Major League Baseball, and he didn't. Who's that? Are you allowed to say?

We don't have to. Well, sure, I won't, because it's not. I mean, he didn't, uh, well, I don't have to, well, it's sure I won't. Cause it's not, I mean, he didn't, it's funny when you, you look at professional sports players and you realize how high Kobe Bryant was, how high LeBron James is, how high Mike Trout is because there's this whole world below them of not even all-stars, but people that make a good living. And then below them, you're talking about relieving pitchers. And then below them, you're talking about minor leagues. Guys going off the bench in minor leagues.

And the single A is 10 times better than you and I at baseball. You know what I mean? 100%. It's crazy. So he didn't have a backup plan. And he was a starting pitcher in, in major league baseball. And, you know, because he didn't have a backup plan, I think after that was tough for him, you know? So it's, it's, it's, it's an interesting question. And I didn't really

think about it. I graduated high school, but I,'t have anything else. I was lucky enough to, even in my downtime, book things. It's funny, too, because a lot of people, I remember I was picketing with SAG the other day and some guy drove by honking, fuck you guys, get a real job. And you're like, okay, well, that's one way to look at it. And yes, Brad Pitt has it really nice. And yes, even myself, I've had a charmed career and I can't complain about it. But when I grew up and you're not working a lot and you book a guest star, that guest star paid you whatever it paid you, $7,000, $10,000 to do it. And then you, it plays on national TV. You get another $10,000 and then it plays again. You get another $10,000. So you do a guest star in a commercial in a year in Hollywood and you make 50 grand, 40 grand, and you can live, you know, um, and you can live as an actor and what it takes to get that is a lot but that's what everyone's fighting for now too they said we're not fighting for brad pitt like he's fine yeah you know we're not even fighting necessarily for a guy like me we're fighting for these guys that are coming out wanting to be actors and they're waiting tables and they're trying to figure out and they book one guest star and it supports them thank god because otherwise they're back home to idaho and you never get this brilliant artist you know

yeah so but also sag let's give everyone insurance yeah let's give everyone health insurance let's not make it it is the percentage of the brad pitts in the world to get the health insurance i mean i'm in a union. I pay my union dues. My fees. Yeah, everyone should have it. We should all get health insurance. They took health insurance away during COVID, too, which was pretty rough. That's pretty rough.

It was rough for me. I lost it then. I lost my smell. Did you? I still don't have it back. Yeah. It's still off. Yeah.

Yeah, it's true. There's definitely, I mean, isn't there two sides to everything you know and then what really sucks is the crew that yeah working because those crew that's what you think you don't even think about how many uh the grips yeah gaffers the audio wardrobe yeah they have all lost their homes lots and you're like cool, you know, we can't really make a deal here, huh? Right. It's wild. The Honeydew is sponsored by BetterHelp.

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things are slowing down what are you doing uh for work you're still booking things in your downtime but are you are you panicking are you having anxiety are you getting you know do you get depressed that hey things were this way now they're this way and if so what are you doing to to navigate all that yeah i mean i guess um i definitely had anxiety about it i was always smart so i was a saver um i never really spent my money on anything no no so i when i would work i'd put it away and then when i wouldn't work i would spend it to live. Um, so, uh, but yeah, there's definitely were times where my bank account got pretty low and you're like, how am I going to pay rent? How am I going to do this? Um, but luckily I, I don't know, I guess I just figured it out. I, I booked enough work where I booked enough work where I could live. I wasn't,

I didn't live on my yacht, but I, you know, it was fine. Well, you seem like you really have your head on your shoulders and you're not a yacht guy. Aren't we all a little bit of a yacht guy?

Listen, man, here's the thing about me to your yacht. I'm coming. You don't ever, I'm a yacht guest. Yeah. You know what I'm saying?

You don't ever want to be to do those. The yacht, you won't be the guy that goes and hangs out on a yacht and gets the fuck off. I'm a private jet guest. I'm a yacht guest. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You know what I'm saying? You don't ever want to be the dude that owns the yacht. You want to be the guy that goes and hangs out on a yacht and gets the fuck off. I'm a private jet guest. I'm a yacht guest. Yeah, yeah. I'm your guest. Yeah. That's all I want to be.

I don't want to own any of that shit. I'm a free ride to Vegas guest. Whatever you want. You got to make that money to own a yacht. And if you're making that money, there are sacrifices you're also making. And mostly, those sacrifices end up being your family and ultimately yourself fuck that yacht yeah it's true let's go hang out on somebody yeah yeah okay yeah so um you've been able to throughout your whole career right till now 44 years old you've been able to make your

living in just entertainment you've never had to step outside you say you dabbled in the real estate thing but you never really had to shift gears like an athlete does right whether that becomes staying in the sport whether it's announcing or whatever it is they those people and you know i really always think about the olympians these are these are people that give their whole lives to this one activity sport whatever it is i and i don't mean this i just mean like you might just be doing the rings right. Your whole life. When that shit's over, even if you're the greatest gold medalist ring person in the world,

what are you doing now? That's what drives me insane. What do you do? Cause you're young as fuck when you're out of there. You're young. Even these athletes are only in their thirties when they're, you know, washed up.

Unless you're Michael Phelps and you have advertising. And, but that's why I don't understand why they don't get paid like someone's making tons of money off the olympics and they're putting tons of money into their training over all these years you know with like i even played on travel teams that shit's not cheap yeah none of it's cheap you know no it's true i i it's uh it's a really good point i mean athletes have it rough i think that's why you hear the sad stories a lot too after so let me ask you this you're a child actor uh who comes up and successfully is able to navigate all that keep your head on your shoulders yeah and now you have kids yeah now the only thing i would say is you know one of the

reasons i think i didn't get so fucked up is i really wasn't a child actor okay because i was 13 yeah you're a teen and remember what you were doing at 13 you're not a kid i'm not six or you're not six you're not no one's gonna molest me do you know what i mean like not i mean i guess that's true i shouldn't say that but you know what i'm like but you're a 13 year old guy girl guy that's 13 they they can kick your shins pretty hard and obviously there's terrible stories no matter where but um because what no matter what age there are people who are vulnerable and they're yeah yeah and i didn't mean that i know you know what i meant but yes physically you specifically you weren't gonna lock me in a room and get away with it yeah i would at least me either i'm the guys telling oh man every i'll kick you in the fucking nuts and then go tell

everybody what you did yeah and you know what you're doing a little more at 13 so i i feel like those those really messed up stories like the one you told me in the waiting room at three yeah that i luckily avoided that you know um but we were talking too about like these days because the internet wasn't even around when we're doing this stuff you're doing this especially and you know now a kid can go viral at five yeah for opening shit so that's terrifying as a parent are you because i told you out there i don't want my daughter going anything in comedy nothing yeah i mean not even managing booking like it's just an insane asylum inside this world here. I will encourage or support, I should say, anything she wants to do reasonably. But, man, I hope it's not this.

I know it's tough. I will support anything they want to do as well. You know, driving around Hollywood, driving your kid around in traffic for auditions, though, I don't know. We'll have to talk about that. Like, maybe they get a car and then they can be an actor, you know. But, yeah, it is scary. Being an actor in this world is scary. Being anyone that has, you know, in front of you, you're vulnerable.

You don't want to be when we grew up. I mean, we're almost the same age i'm a little younger than you but similar generations um it was different there were no cameras there were no you know you didn't everywhere you turn now someone's filming you everywhere um and we all say the wrong thing once in a while you know we, we all do stupid shit. Catch me before coffee. I'm not a nice guy. Like, I'm sure, you know, like, but after, and if I'm prepped for it, I'd like to think I can be a good guy.

So that's what bothers me the most about this world is how unforgiving it is. I just, that's something that's hard to watch because we are human and by nature we make mistakes. And that's not an excuse for a watch because we are human and by nature we make mistakes and that's not an excuse for a mistake that is unforgivable either but that that's rough to watch in this day and age people just have their life taken away ripping each other down for nothing for something they don't even really mean like you know so do you talk to your kids about have you watched the sandlot with your kids um i yeah my old my six-year-old watches it a little bit um and he likes it i think he gets a little confused like it's different because i'm in it so like i watched the goonies with him and

he loved it riveted that's the one yeah my daughter loves your movie too but goonies and sandlot are the two she loves yeah so goonies he doesn't there's no confusion he just loved it and that was i see why parents uh get excited and come up to me and go my kid loves it because when i showed him goonies i had the chills the whole time i was like this this was my favorite movie growing up it still holds up oh for sure your movie and Goonies and E.T., those childhood movies still hold up. They're still great to watch. It's funny because I was a kid seeing these things, and now I'm with my kids seeing them and watching her react,

and I'm still getting feelings about it and stuff. Like, this one's great. We do Friday night movie night. We usually try to get pizza or whatever, and then we sit there and watch some movies i'll let her stay up a little later on the weekends whatever especially if it's for goonies or sandlot yeah yeah and now your dad so your mom's living in l.a doing all that dad's in boston so how often is he visiting and is he also supporting this and helping you out with it as well? Yeah.

I mean, he supported me and went to private schools and he would come out and visit. He would come on some sets. He would meet me there. And then I would go back home and visit him because I had a lot of family back in Boston. Before, when my grandmothers and grandfathers were alive, I would go see them and had cousins and uncles and all the – So everyone was Boston except for you. Except for me and my mom, yeah. Okay.

Yeah. And then is your dad still alive? Yeah. Okay. Do you ever sit back and talk to him about, holy shit, you're in the sandlot? Yeah. I mean, I think – Do you let yourself enjoy it or or you just like it's such a

part of you now that it's like i don't let myself enjoy it that's an interesting question um i don't think i do i think it's such a part of my life that like i was just in nashville with two of the guys and we're in a car you still talk to some well yeah once in a while we'll do an appearance or something um so i'll see them when we do those but i was in the car with them in nashville and uh i let myself enjoy it in that car ride i looked at them and i was like this is weird right guys and you're also still alive right all. All of us are. In a business that takes people all four early sometimes and rips them to shreds. Yeah. And a lot of the guys are doing other things now too, but some are still in the industry or around.

But yeah, I think that was a moment where we were like chuckling together and I was like, it's pretty crazy. So once in a while it settles in when you meet like three generations of people that have all watched it it kind of hits you and you go wow that's that means a lot to these people and that's pretty crazy that we did one movie and it's been being watched for 30 years two questions about that um i want to know one of the like most powerful stories you've heard from somebody like coming up to you where that one really stood out and I also want to know when at 13 it hit you like holy shit this is really something God powerful stories I think when three generations come up to you that's pretty bad a grandfather dad and the son all coming up being like we fucking love yeah and the son loves it and you're like you're six and they say you're my childhood and i go you're still a child but you're my old child that's pretty special like yeah you know i i had one uh for some reason it stuck with me so bad maybe because i'm a father

now and i'll even try and get through it it's going to be hard but i met a couple in salt lake city we went back where we filmed it and they rebuilt the sandlot every five years and their kid had passed in a car wreck and they still came and they had a tattoo of him and that shit yeah bro anyway I didn't mean to do that. It's okay. That's what we do here, dude. That's really nice. They still came. Yeah. So I'll shift this off of that for a second.

So every five years, what do you mean? They actually rebuild the field? Yeah. Every five years, they rebuild the sandlot. They've done it three times now. So for 15 years, they did the 20th, the 25th, and now the 30th. And you go? Yeah.

A lot of us go. Did I go all three times? Yeah, I went all three times. The second time, I got the stomach flu, and that was pretty awful. Did you take your kids with you when you go? Yeah. No, I never took them. I brought one of them to utah and i brought

them by the sandlot but on a different time uh but uh yeah so i've i've made it every year except that second one i didn't i you know i i went for a little bit but then was throwing up the rest of the time uh but they oh it's the it's the backyard of like 10 houses, five houses, and it's all shared. And it's actually, it's in like a- Is it the actual yard where the ball goes over, like those actual yards? Yeah. So they have, they basically, when they filmed the movie, they just rented, they rented their backyards and they built a sandlot on five it's like a little middle class neighborhood you know nothing too special really cute um and they they just built they i

mean it's not that hard to build a sandlot what is a sandlot a shitty baseball yeah they threw a little dirt and it's there but then they built these facades of the houses that are in there and a big tree they like brought in some big tree for the um the tree house and the whole thing so uh that was the sandlot and they kind of remake it they put the backstop up and then they'll do like a uh a big jumbotron um blow up thing and watch the movie and we come out and they do a q a and we'll sign autographs yeah that's awesome yeah it's cool it's cool um james earl jones right yeah does he ever come or did he ever come no i never i didn't even meet him he so originally that in the movie it was supposed to be trying to picture in my head you guys are never in the same scene

no or they just cut it that way We were written into the scene with him. But then on the day, the director made a lot of, he shifted gears on the day a lot. And he just decided to just put the two leads in the scene with him. So we weren't in the movie with him. Never even met him. Like when he arrived on set too it was like oh the movie stars here you know like you just felt it this is jamesville jones even 13 year old kids know oh you're darth vader like yeah oh you just did field of dreams oh you're uh you are a true legend um so you kind

of stayed away you know like uh and he's a big guy too. Yeah, he looks like a big dude. Darth Vader. Yeah. Can't be a little bitch. No, he can't be a little bitch. He's not a little bitch. And he had a massive trailer. We had these, all of our trailers, they put us opposite sides. How many you want for James, Earl, and Joe?

Yeah, exactly. But they also kept us away from him. I think they were like, we ain't going to have these little shits like, you know, say something stupid that James Earl did. And he was there a day maybe two um that's kind of how it was with all the adult actors in the movie they were there very short periods of time they kind of banged it all out and none of us were in any of it with them it was just tom gyrie really and then mike vitar was in with james earl jones. Because Dennis Leary was in it. That's right, yeah.

But Tom had scenes with him. And Karen Allen. His ball. Isn't it his ball? Is it? Was it Dennis Leary's ball you all fucked up? Oh, yes, yes, yes. I thought you were saying in real life.

Oh, no, no, no. Yeah, yeah, his ball. Yeah. So you say you don't let yourself enjoy it why do you think that is i i don't want to get put you let you off the hook here but i use this example all the time there's so many people live their lives and and it's been part of their life that it's just something they when they mention and move on like i the example always uses joey diaz i don't know if you know who joey is a comedian but he goes uh after i got out of prison for kidnapping that guy

i went to colorado i'm like hold on yeah i don't give a fuck about colorado right now i want to hear about after i got out of prison for kidnapping that guy like and he says it like it's just because it is it's just this part of my life. Yeah. So why do you think you don't let yourself enjoy like what this really is for you? I think I'm trying to think why. I don't know that I have. What hit you in the car?

What hit you in that car just recently when you were sitting there looking and being like, what, what was it that you allowed yourself to just take a moment and live it? That still we're being asked 30 years later to travel around. And out of all the guys, I still look very similar, you know? So it's constant with me. Like we'll be together in a restaurant and I'll get recognized. And then they'll, and then I'll say, and once in a while they'll go, will you take a photo? And, and I, I kind of love it. Cause I go, I think you want them on this side too and they're like why and

then i'm like because that's denunas that's squints that and then they freak out which is kind of fun to me because then they're like oh my god um but i think yeah i i guess what hit me is that i that we still have this effect on people and that, you know, um, it, it means that much. And we still get asked to come around for one movie, you know? Um, I think why I don't let myself enjoy it is cause I, I'm not done and I don't want to be done. Great answer. Yeah.

I guess that's the truth of it is I love it. I, it doesn't embarrass me. Um, I don't mind leaning into it. I don't like to lean into it too much, but, you know, I think I'm not done. So being a dad, let's talk about being a dad now. You got how old is six and three? Yeah, six and three, both boys, you said. Biggest fears as a father?

Six and three, both boys, you said. Biggest fears as a father? I mean, obviously, you want to take care of them, and you want them to live long and healthy lives, and you don't want them to get into trouble. I think that's probably the biggest fear is raising them well enough so that they don't do one stupid thing once that changes their life forever um you know are your parents uh both involved good grandparents yeah oh yeah they love it yeah and so that's nice because they get along and they can actually be in the same room with your kids and not being like fuck that one fuck that one over there

and their significant others are actually almost even more involved. Like I said at the top, they're younger. So my stepmom and stepdad are great with them, too, and they love them. How old were your parents? You said it was around the same time. How old were they when they got remarried? How old are you when stepparents come into your life? Thirteen. Thirteen, right there on the spot.

Twelve, yeah. So two years after they divorced pretty much but they've probably been already let's be honest a week after this you know what i mean i'm pretty sure i didn't meet them when i could have you know hey honey let me introduce you to someone i just met yeah bullshit right yeah yeah but at least they both did it so they they were on you know were you receptive to that right away no no no tell me about that i i did not uh so you were okay with your parents being separated and divorced i i mean i don't mean okay i accepted it but you accepted that yeah now these new people coming in you're like now fuck that yeah on both ends yeah i did

not get along with either of them at all in the beginning why because i intentionally didn't it was you you're admitting it i was an asshole to them yeah i mean shit i'm an asshole to my parents like imagine two people i don't even love yet you know who was the first to bring someone Did you get a stepdad or mom first? Well, my stepdad, because when I moved to L.A., he was in the picture a month later. So do you, looking back, or have you even ever asked your mom, was he already in the picture? Was Los Angeles a destination regardless of? Los Angeles was a destination regardless, yeah. But very quickly, I don't need to ask them. I know the truth, you know, like they, that's the thing when you get

a divorce, you, you were divorced two years ago. Do you know what I mean? So like they were, they were faithful people and I know that they didn't do anything that the other would have had a problem with, but yeah, they were already divorced. So they both pretty soon after were together with someone. But, you know, yeah, my stepdad was more in my life than my stepmom at the time because I lived in L.A. And then we moved into a house in Glendale. And, you know, they've been at that house ever since. And he's been in my life ever since. So when he went on set to shoot, you weren't getting along?

Or were you just – No, that's interesting. Cause we were, I mean, no, we had a hard time on there too, but you know, like he's, we had a hard time, but I would say we had a hard time, like a parent and kid have a hard time too. Like I still respected them. It's not like I ran away from them or disrespected them to the level that they couldn't help raise me you know um but i had a year with him too like 12 was when he was in the picture a year later i booked a

movie you know and that probably helped our relationship you know um with my step that i think about what ends up happening in hindsight this motherfucker's coming to photograph one of the most iconic movies ever i mean and he hit the jackpot but also i own the he owns the rights to images of me then that nobody else does that i can use for him being on athletics like you see what i mean like i can't use 20th century fox images or getty images or no i mean he owns them so you're like thanks dog you know like yeah so i think that helped us my late teens or mid-teens we had a hard time together you know can i ask you did he have kids no so do you think also because i i i didn't either when i first my stepmom that's what i wanted to ask so they're not parents no They're just a spouse to mom and dad and attempting to be.

Which is part of the problem. Because my friend is dating a girl who neither of them have kids. And when I said I want to do this fatherhood podcast, I want to have him on because he's a pretty successful actor. And I don't think he wants kids. But I think that's fascinating, too. And it's okay. You're like tell me why and if you don't want kids don't have kids like that is the one piece of advice i will give

people you're about to get into a whole world of shit and it's the most beautiful thing you've ever been involved in if you want it but boy it takes over your life yeah if you don't you're gonna fucking hate it you're gonna fucking hate it and the his girlfriend now although i don't know if i can call he would kill me for calling it i don't think they're there yet got it but they will be so we'll call her his girlfriend uh she just like her ex had kids and she was like i don't think i want kids after that experience so and probably the kids were probably great, but my step-parents, they were not parents. And what I did wasn't cute or endearing like it would be to my parents. Right. You're just an asshole.

Did they try to parent, though? Yeah. You? Yeah, and I probably pushed back on that. My step-dad more. My step-mom wasn't in my life as much. She has come into my life more now that I've had kids. She is fantastic with my kids.

That's great to hear. And they love her. Good. And my dad's older. He's 74. So he doesn't get it. You know, he's doing good. He's a very healthy guy.

But he doesn't get around as much. So she's like bending down there and building shit with them. And, you know, they love it. And so, yeah, but I think that's a good thing you spotted on that is, yeah, they weren't parents. And I think that made it more difficult for them. I agree. Yeah. Because you're right.

It's not. It's also not your kid. It's not like, oh, it's great. He's coloring. Awesome. Yeah. No matter what, I'm not your kid it's not like oh it's great he's coloring awesome yeah no matter what i'm not their kid right even though you know it's a father's day and things like that are always a

little interesting mother's day you know i have a dad i have a mom but these guys have been in my life it's they should almost have like step parents day you know we celebrate they've been here like for what 30 years yeah damn that's. Yeah. God damn, that's a long time. I know. Also good for your parents too for realizing, hey, we came together. We had this union. We had this beautiful child. Yeah. That's what this relationship's about. Let's shut it down and move on and be happy.

And they both did. Yeah. It's not like each one of them rotated partners. Like they found that person, locked it in, and they've been together. Yeah. That's fucking great. Yeah, it's cool. Yeah.

And it doesn't hit you till a little later that all right we can like when do you back off when do you finally say yeah i don't know that i still have i'm not gonna lie i mean i don't know that i still have like i'm a dick to them you know i'm a, parent and kid relations are so weird. You get so annoyed by them, and then you immediately feel bad. And then you call them and go, I love you. You're the best thing. Please don't hate.

Like, I'm sorry I was a jerk. Like, that's our relationship. I don't know what to say. I'm closer to them than anyone in this world. And that goes for my step-parents, too. Yeah. My stepdad, after my my parents is another parent, my step mom.

Now, now that she's also helped so much with my, my kids and her grandkids similar, I have such a, an appreciation for her now. Is it wild to you that these same people you resent or resented or push back on now are loving on your kids? Oh yeah. In a way, while the way the life works.

It's wild. And it's also wild to now experience my kids with me because it makes, it makes you realize like you punk, you don't know what I'm doing for you constantly. And then you go, Oh wait, but I already forgot that my parents did that for me it's weird right like you don't you don't realize how how much a parent gives up for you and i mean it's literally everything for three years you're the other day i'm white i wiped

both of my kids asses in the span of 10 minutes like not even 10 two minutes i'm like wiping shit and washing my like between dogs kids like the amount of shit i've handled over my life yeah it's a lot of shit yeah and you're dressing them feeding them you know getting them ready for this yeah we're getting ready to go to la jolla and i gotta get the dog ready my daughter ready yeah right yeah so that those early years too and you're you're out of it but now you're into a whole another one a teen nine-year-old woman i know good luck yeah yeah right woman that's what i feel like you do are you kidding me yeah i mean that's what i hear boys young are wild and girls older are more uh you gotta use your mind a little bit more

yeah i'm trying to be like um more open with her and different because i don't want just that boy mindset the whole time you know sometimes i think it's good sometimes like just get up and walk it off you're fine yeah dad i you're fine yeah that shit's fine um but like my daughter doesn't know how to ride it but she'll kill me for saying that she doesn't know how to ride a two-wheel bike yet yeah she's nine wow and i'm like you've been fucking off basically you've had bikes i've had them here with the training wheels took you out you don't want to do it she does in her defense she likes to scoot that's her thing she's rather that's great my kids scoot but i'm like okay but you need to learn how to ride a bike a bike is for transfer it's more than just recreation you've got to learn how to

ride a bike you got to learn how to swim she bike. You've got to learn how to swim. She's a great swimmer. That's good. That's more important than swimming. I agree. That's a lifesaver. Yeah. But you need to fucking ride. A bike is freedom, especially when you can go anywhere as a kid. If I'm like, you can ride down the street and go to your friend's house.

But I took her out last night, and I'm like, just like soccer practice, we're going to go out and ride this bike. It's not going to be let's go out and fart around. You need to fucking ride the bike. First night night and she's too big now to put training wheels on a bike so i got her a nice bike for her birthday and she's got to walk and balance it she gets frustrated i don't want to do this again so we're doing it we went out last night i'm holding the back of the seat i fucking let go i don't tell her she's riding and i go look and she looks over at me and then she's like oh my god and she so she got like four or five different times she got like four or five really good cranks great and

then you know you see the she scored her first goal man dude i was so fucking stoked she scored her first goal yeah her friend was there and she goes i don't want my friend to come because what if we lose like what if i play in the goal and i let a goal in i'm like what if you score your first goal and then she fucking goes and scores her first goal and dude i was stoked i'm running up and down yelling and shit like it's the best yeah it is it's the fucking best and i didn't have the best upbringing but i did have the best dad who did everything he could to be there all the time and then that's the other thing when you look back on things like how the fuck did you work that job make these practices make these games i don't know

man yeah like because you loved me you cared and then he dies and i'm like yeah you literally you gave that's what i'm saying if you don't want to be a parent that could happen yeah you're willing to give your life for this person yeah or these people yeah and yeah good for you dude thank you thank you for coming on here and opening up and talking about all this. This is great. I'm glad I got to know you better. I didn't know all this. Yeah.

All right. Now that everything we've talked about, and this is interesting because for your age at 13, you become an actor. Advice you would give to 16-year-old Patrick Renna? Oh, God. Be nice to Jonah Hill when you meet him i met you no i wasn't i met jonah hill before he was famous and he came up to me and said i fucking love you man i wasn't mean but i was just at a party and we were like cool dude okay and then sure enough a couple years later he's jonah hill uh fucking i need to see him again because you know now i'll be like i fucking love you man god i don't know i i think i think i just i don't know i there's a few things i would say do differently you know like maybe run on a

few on a few concepts and i i think i did all right but um i guess i probably would say don't take so long to fuck around you know uh because it's nice for a little bit but i think what i probably messed around from like 18 to 22 23 probably 18 to 24 a good six years was just wasting my life you know and doing other things but uh i think i because it may be go 18 to 22 reel it in 18 to 21 you know yeah uh i like that you're still saying enjoy it just i pumped the brakes absolutely because if you don't enjoy it then then you get that serial killer who explodes at one moment and does something you can't take back so you do have to get out of your system a little bit too everyone does i think

awesome man well thank you very much for doing this again. Please plug, promote everything you'd like. Yeah. Well, why the, this, uh, fatherhood podcast coming soon. It'll be on my socials at Patrick Renna and, uh, yeah, this new YouTube channel I'm doing, I got a couple of movies coming out probably next year. Um, one's called you gotta believe, uh, Greg Kinnear's in it that was fun luke wilson who i did uh x files with years ago was great they're really cool dudes um and then i did a movie called boys of summer with um mason thames and mel gibson's in it so that that's cool and that both of those should be coming out next year all right man thank you very much yeah um as always ryan sickler on all social media ryan sickler com. We'll talk to be here all day!

We're going to be here all day, baby! I like this kind of party! Welcome to the first episode of The Way Back. I'm Ryan Sickler, ryansickler.com, Ryan Sickler on all your social media. I'm here with my guest on the first episode, ladies and gentlemen, Tom Segura. Welcome to The Way Back, Tom Segura. Way, way back, man. Way, way back.

Thanks for having me. This is the back seat in the station wagon, facing out the back. No seatbelts. Dash on the front, cigarette smoke probably in the air, no seatbelts at all. You just see the grill of a car just come up to here and you wait did you ever sit that seat did you were you all have that yeah yeah do you ever give the you shoot the finger real quick you should pull away right now as we pull away buses other school boy they would flip you off yeah they saw kids they were like fuck you

yeah i want to talk to you about just like this is all about nostalgia growing up and stuff and your boys who i've hung out with and my daughter did too we went fishing together my daughter caught her first fish with your kids we caught 18 fish and a turtle yeah out there using hot dog which i had never fished with in my life so and i took hot dog up here to kenneth hawn you know what we call it what two turtles two turtles turtles must love hot dogs i was all fired up like i got i got a good one i realized it's a turtle but your kids are wild i've seen stuff on your guys social media of like keys in the toilet uh crayon all over the wall like i have a daughter i remember even before kids yeah i would sit in

a restaurant be like look at these fucking boys are climbing over the shit and girls are just sitting there coloring and they're just you know genetically better than we are monkeys monkeys yeah what's the wildest stuff you guys used to do growing up what'd you used to do i mean i think you know we used to take we used to everything was riding bikes you know yeah so like as soon as like you got home ride bikes we lived in this neighborhood in the suburbs of Cincinnati and we would just ride our bikes and the craziest thing that I remember doing at that age I'm talking like seven eight nine that's when I lived there you know I lived there from I was born I left when I was nine but in that age range one time i went to these you know there was always like a field always like back through some woods and one of the kids had an m80 and uh he just was like oh this is supposed to be like pretty big firework

i didn't really have a concept of what it was a quarter stick of dynamite yeah and when that thing blew off i just just from the impact i already i was like oh we're in trouble like i i couldn't believe that we didn't get in trouble i mean it left a fucking crater you know we used to put those in people's mailboxes and blow them apart oh yeah it would blow the sides open and the back off of it one time i got a fire going uh on this like on this stretch of lake michigan when we were in wisconsin and i just got cans of spray paint and threw them into the fire just as like a are you serious it was like bombs yeah and mists go flying different colors right yeah yeah but that's just like you don't think i know we used to do Roman candle fights, shoot them at each other. We used to take G.I.

Joes or Star Wars figures and we would tape 12 bottle rockets to them and then light them off and see how far up it could go. And then once it blew up, the pieces would all come down. We would shoot fireworks off in the house. We were terrible kids. Now, my kids also, when I'll when they when i found ellis painting the walls with his hands i fucking lost my mind did you ever do anything like i didn't do anything like that i one time put i thought i was helping i put water in my dad's lawnmower where

you put all the gas yeah oh fucked it all up he was he was real nice about it he was like did you put something in here i was like he was like if i promised you're not in trouble will you tell me and i go i put water in there for you for you yeah for you filled it up he was like okay uh but i was like flipping out at ellis the fucking pain all over the place. What are you doing? Just going crazy. And what do they do? He goes, I don't like when you yell at me. When you raise your voice.

I'm just a kid. He says that? Yeah. He goes, if you just talk to me in a normal voice. I'm like, dude. And I just start laughing because he's being like, he's right. And he's being like, rational. I'm like, why are you painting the walls? He goes, sometimes my brain, man.

My brain, man? Yeah, yeah, yeah. It tells me to do stuff. I was like, okay. I love it, dude. Yeah.