The Joe Budden Podcast - Episode 396 | "Lying On Your Talk"
Episode Date: December 5, 2020The day has come, the (Hov)engers give their flowers to Jay-Z on his birthday and reflect on the impact he's had on them personally and within the culture throughout his career (25:19). Mal then share...s a message regarding his thoughts on the current state of Hip-Hop (40:31), Teyana Taylor alludes to retiring from music (1:00:46), and early predictions for Ashanti & Keyshia Cole's Verzuz that was announced (1:06:45). In addition, Joe believes HBO has taken the lead in the streaming wars and Netflix should panic (1:22:27) and he thinks he can beat Jake Paul in a fight after watching him knockout Nate Robinson (1:58:46). Sleeper Picks Joe | René & Angela - “Imaginary Players” & Jay Z - “Imaginary Players” Rory | Jay Z - “It’s Like That” (Ft. Kid Capri) Mal | Jay Z - “I Did It My Way” Parks | Jay Z - “Blue Magic”
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Maybe you should get back in the shower.
Y'all really get a kick out of these little Joe Ryman jokes.
That's when y'all get in your little bag, huh?
I like your raps.
Mike, Mike, Mike, Megadie, huh?
I was happy to hear that.
Oh, yeah.
Happy to hear what?
Yeah.
Joe rapping again?
Some off-mic banter that won't happen.
Yeah.
Joe said he was in the shower getting some bars off.
To the mirror. Now they got me in them offices. Yeah. The Liors was in the shower getting some bars off. To the mirror.
Now they got me in them offices.
Yeah.
The Lior's and Doug Morris's.
Suicide.
Yeah, man.
Don't call it a comeback.
That's a fact.
Now Joe being inspired on Hove Day.
That's when you got inspired.
Uh-oh.
Look out, Hove. That's when you found inspired. Uh-oh. Look out, Hove.
That's when you found inspiration.
Look out.
More could be one part of his whole career.
What the fuck is wrong with you?
Don't do that.
Don't do that.
You can't?
No, I can't.
As long as I'm alive.
One part of it.
No.
Yes, you can.
You don't think I'm going to look out?
Nah, man. Get the fuck out of here. As long as I'm alive, nigga. Yes, you can. You don't think I'm going to look out? Nah, man.
Get the fuck out of here.
As long as I'm alive, nigga.
One pot away.
You wasn't trying to change, Moe.
You were trying to give him some game.
Come on, man.
Come on, Rory.
I don't know why Moe act like I don't be his OG sometimes.
Moe's trying to change you.
That's Moe's bleak.
And he's beans.
Moe's he's beans. Morphous Bleak Beans.
No, no, not Morphous Bleak Beans property.
Guns.
Guns crack.
Guns crack.
Oh, no.
Marissa's a milk.
More.
Let us be you. More. Hey, turn me up in the headphones, man. Can I is a melt. Maul, let us be you.
Maul.
Hey, turn me up in the headphones, man.
Can I get some volume in?
Maul, all I need you to do today is to let me use your phone.
Turn down a little bit.
Let me and Rory use your phone today, and we're going to take the culture where it needs to go.
Yeah, that's all we want to do.
Just leave the phone right here.
We're going to do it.
It's not just Elliot and B-Dot.
We here, too.
Okay.
Hold up, man.
Where's my gunshots at, man, on Hove Day?
Enough of this.
Yeah, it's not just them, Maul. Just pass us the phone. We here too. Okay. Hold up, man. Where my gunshots at, man, on Hove Day? Enough of this. Yeah, it's not just
nothing more.
Just pass us the phone.
Contact's open.
Let us do the dirty work.
Just let y'all do
what y'all do?
Mm-hmm.
Yeah, man.
Before the pod,
before we get started.
My bad.
This is an audio adventure.
My bad.
What the fuck is wrong
with this guy?
My bad.
Go ahead.
Well, stop it.
Before this pod, what?
Before the pod. He's still going. Because it. Before this pod, what? Before the pod.
He's still going.
Because it's like kind of, you know, leaning a little bit.
All right, just checking.
No, we good.
Before the pod started, Rory was telling us that he woke up, and to his surprise, it was
Hov's birthday.
He got the notification on his phone?
I did, yes.
He got his birthday saved?
It was in my calendar, my Google calendar.
So he came in here.
Confetti came from my phone.
I said, oh, it's Sean's V-Day.
Hey, so he came in here and said,
I found out with the rest of the world.
Say that.
So wait, so then Parks grilled him
and come to find out
Unbeknownst to me
Guess what Rory did this morning
You guessed it
I didn't do this
You guessed it
You didn't do this
No
Everything you're saying
Is a lie right now
I didn't even say nothing yet
But go ahead
You made a playlist
Sent out a little texty text
Made a playlist
You made a playlist
For Sean's birthday
That's sick
Oh for Sean
Yo big bro
I just want to say
Happy birthday Yo big bro king OG Hope Sean. Yo, big bro. I just want to say happy birthday.
Yo, big bro king OG.
Hov being Rory's big bro is hilarious.
Yo, dim the motherfucker lights in the studio.
Yeah.
Skate out of the people's choice.
Give me the phone.
I'm bringing where we need to go, ma.
Infi.
Yeah.
We getting Hov on the phone.
Emil.
Oh, yeah.
Who else number you got?
That shit sound like superhero music right there Sound like my theme motherfuckin' song right there
I just moved to this one
Skate dollar where we at?
Close
That's a storm
Let's get it Skain Dala where we at? Glove? Death to Storm?
Yeah, let's get it
Watch on arm, rims on tire
Hove in the studio, the booths on fire
S-car that kicks on my feet
Rock away on my leg, envy on the beat
I made my first mil, known poppy on the hill
I made it in the draft game, speaking on the rails
I'm blatant cause I passed the statute of limitation
And I'm making too much money to be going to jail
You know me, you know me
You know me, you know me
Yo, poppin' twisty
Bucks sixty through the gothic city
I'm in the back, got my partners with me
They in the truck
I got a giddy
I got the speedies
Pock and Biggie
Face and Juby
Looking at her face, shooty Perfect, dude So YouTube has no idea what's going on.
So YouTube has no idea what's going on.
We can get these off on YouTube, though.
That's what you probably can't.
No, you can't. No, you can't.
YouTube, we going crazy right now.
We going off.
Keep going, man.
Keep that. I put the carbon jacks.
Mic check, mic check.
One, two, one, two, one, two.
Stay ready.
You ain't got to get ready.
Y'all know where we going today.
Happy belated to hold
I'm pushing on a dream
Atlanta, y'all been getting a lot of wins on this podcast the last month
But we always have December 4th
Look at that
That's all you can catch me on top of now
Playing the club, throwing a shot down
Trying to stay above ground
Another round, breaking day in the club
Surrounded by my own thoughts, playing the cut
Reminiscing on days I ain't have a pot to piss in
No watches to glisten, no V's with high systems
Missing my homies that pass right in front of my eyes
Due to the fast life, we told wonderful lies
On highway, we lived forever, time proof is wrong
Had to get our shit together and move it along
Had dreams of being big niggas, jig niggas
Driving the hottest cars, moving out with our moms and I
I'm wishing on a star
To follow where you are
I'm wishing on a dream
To follow what it means
Let's try this, guru
Yeah, yeah
So I start my day anew
I wish I could hold on to you forever
Lose your mind
Yeah
Uh
I woke up early this morning
Good morning America
I knew a sign of my life
Ghetto USA
Never read the corona, it's long expressions
Only songs I read was on the arms of my neighbors
I woke up early this morning
I knew a sign of my life It was the best of times I woke up early this morning, feeling like you were shining
You were on my mind
I wake up usually around I'm sorry you had to know how the whole vengeance was giving it up today Happy Saturday y'all out there we here
Only rapper to rewrite history without a pen
No ID on the track let the story begin
Begin
Come on let it begin on these niggas
This is anti-autotune
Death of the ringtone
This ain't for iTunes
This ain't for sing-alongs
This is Sinatra at the opera
Bring a blonde, preferably with a fat ass who can sing a song
Wrong, this ain't politically correct
This might offend my political connects
My raps don't have melodies
This shit make niggas want go and commit felonies
Get your chain tooken, I may do it myself, I'm so Brooklyn
I know we facing a recession
But the music y'all making
Gon' make it the Great Depression
Alright, we ready to pop man, what's up?
Y'all feeling good, feeling great?
Good
Yeah boy, get a little swig, get a little swig
Yes
It's what I know, don't mind me
I'm so intoxicated Y'all know how you do what you do Get a little swig Yes It's one of them It's intoxicating, man
You don't know how you do what you do
So high off
Yes
So high off the life
The law of breaking the law
It's always too much for me to ever ignore
I got a thing for them big body benzes
It throws my senses
In love with a V-Dub engine
Man, I'm high off life
Fuckin' I'm wasted
They even ate kicks
Bought them all with K-Wrist
My women friend
Get tennis bracelets
Trips to Venice
Get they winners replaced
I feel so horrible
Cutting that off
I feel so horrible
Cutting that off
That's an underrated J record
Is it lower underrated?
Is it?
Absolutely
For sure
Where?
In his catalog.
Oh, all right.
Hey, yo, can I get the volume off on that TV?
Does Allure make his 20 percent?
Can I get the volume off on that TV?
Some of y'all might not understand.
I'm here to do it for Rory's big bro.
Rory escorted this man up the steps at the Ducey.
It was Rory that brought him to the sector.
Come on, we here.
Let's go.
I'm the best shit I ever was in my Maybach.
Whatever I sit down, homie, I'm a Maybach.
Can you believe it?
You gotta see it.
I don't plan on going through with that on my Maybach.
Cause I'm in it to win.
Now, niggas can't take that
Listen to my Maybach music
To my Maybach music
Smell like summertime to me
What is this?
First one to cop, I'm the Maybach muse
First one in the coupe, I'm on my third six deuce
White guts, black bins, I call that bitch affirmative action
Oreo, the Obama, curtains drawn, they can't see me, Osama
Cashman foes, that's a splash of class, SC initials on the Tiffany glass
Alright, I'm for real now, I'm here
Not much to talk about, but I'm sure we'll find something
Cause that's what we do here
I only love it for Osbrown
Play this shit while you play around with my crown
King H.O., y'all should know by now
But if you don't know
Me is on the wall
Shout out to all the black women out there, shout out to all black-owned businesses
Niggas couldn't walk in my daughter's socks, shout out to everybody COVID-free
I ran through that buck fifty Live Nation front of me
They working on another deal, they talking 250
I'm holding out for three, 275 and I just might agree
XD boy used to park my Beamer
Now look at me, I can park in my own arena
I only love it if we even knew
I'm still a hood nigga, what you want me to do?
Been hopping out the B.M. with your B.M.
Taking to places you can't go with your B.D.M.
Screaming coffee D.M. until I'm a dead poet
Robbing William's shit, I deserve it, go to go, bitch
I take an ace in the meanwhile
You ain't gotta keep this, Cali, this just a freestyle
Fuck rap money
Cali kept all of this, smart move, Cali
Fuck show money, I spent that on traits
Close the curtains, fuck boy, out my face
I whip the coat, let the lawyer beat the case
Murder was the case
Murder was the case that they gave me
Hermes store somebody save me
Stuntin to the max like wavy. Oh shit. Oh
Stuntin to the max I'm so wavy. Used to shop at TJ Maxx back in 83. I don't even know if it was hoping then I ain't no more than had the
XL 80 bike loud motor they'd be like then when I'm coming through I love to shit like my own dog. Oh, oh. Spray these niggas, baby, just like daddy taught you.
Young.
No, Joe Biden.
No, Warrior Ma.
It's Parks.
It's Parks.
What's happening?
Microphone check.
One, two.
What is this?
The JBP boys bike to business.
$3.95?
Six.
Six.
Welcome to episode 396 of the Joe Budden Podcast.
I am your humble, gracious, grateful, and...
And congested host.
Pardon me.
I'm your humble, gracious, grateful, and highly favored host, Joe Budden, here with a few
of my nearest and dearest, some really good guys.
You ought to meet them one day.
Starting with Brother Maul
Brother Maul is here
fresh to death
that's what the
YouTube commenters
keep saying
fresh to death
yeah
oh thank you
I appreciate that
hair growing
no don't tell me
I didn't say it
they spent like
72 hours killing me
for my fro
but it felt good
I thought it looked good
yeah I wasn't mad at it
what's this a light 900
on the lay
well you know
you know when
his hair starts
they start wearing
the tee like that.
He's only laughing
because that's way
underweight.
Yeah, I know.
I fucked it up.
I fucked it up.
Joe is a fucking idiot.
All right, man.
Forget it.
What's wrong with you?
Why are you always
fucking with me?
Why would this only be 900?
Why are you fucking with me?
The shoes are 900.
Yeah, no.
I am all fucked up, man.
My bad.
Like 25 on the lay.
No.
On the lay.
I'm chilling.
I'm throwing another 25 for the sprinter for the week i know
what that sweater talking about parks is here today parks is here today huh yeah yo look at
the fit yo what's that a good dub on the lay yeah she got a nice she got a nice A little 40 A good dog A little 40 Now Boston brought
The Black Timbs out today though
Yeah but no
He had those for five years
But they're still a dog
But still though
You used to see the Black Timbs
They get better with age
Yeah
They're worth more
They're vintage
Vintage
Vintage Timbs
Vintage Timbs
Hey
Come on
Not the left sleeve up a little bit
To show the wrist
This is how the hoodie
Nah
This would be up
Nah I've never seen that time piece
Show the end of the sleeve
Come on man
Ain't even no numbers on that one
You just gotta know the time
They call this distressed
This hoodie is distressed.
Oh my God.
Look at the latch on it.
Watches have latches.
That's how they stay together.
Not the latch.
You could have got
an elastic joint.
That's true.
That's true.
Not the custom latch.
No, it wasn't custom.
It came with the watch as is.
Not your initials on it.
That's not my initials.
Not personal. All right. I don't know. E-Rab, what's going on with you? as is. Not your initials on it. That's not my initials. Not personal.
All right, I don't know.
E-Rab, what's going on with you?
Corey is here.
Savon Adon is here.
Is that a headband on Scully?
That's Scully.
And Alex the Great is here.
Gentlemen, how's everybody feeling?
Good, man.
How's everybody doing?
Good.
Good.
Fantastic.
Feeling good.
Feeling good.
Spirit's up.
Family's healthy.
Spirits don't ever sound up when you say it's up. No, I'm good. Spirit's up. Family's healthy. Spirits don't ever sound up when you say it's up.
No, I'm good.
How did your voice sound when you're enthusiastic?
Like when you feel excitement?
Have you ever?
Of course.
I mean, have I ever?
Of course.
I've never felt excited.
I've been excited on this pod.
Y'all have seen me excited.
I have, man.
Listen.
I think I told this story on this pod before, but if I didn't, I'm going to drop a bunch of names here,
so just bear with it.
Last time it was Hov's birthday.
When Maul and I and another gentleman went to...
Hey, I was expecting a name drop right there.
Well, the Drake show.
We were on the riser, mind you,
and it's Serena, KD, Drake performing.
All the names.
Every name you could think of, mind you.
And we're right in front of the stage
and it's one of the better shows I've ever been to.
And the other gentleman I'm with turns to me
and goes, does Maul get excited about anything?
Maul was staring at that Drake show
like he was waiting for the bus.
That's funny.
I mean, I was just looking at the show.
What do you want me to do?
There was so much going on. I was like, this is the the show What do you want me to do Like there was so much going on
I was like
This is the greatest show
Holy shit
Look at all the fire
There's a flying Ferrari
And Maul's just chilling
Maul's just chilling
Yeah
I mean I'm chilling
I was just looking at the show
I thought I was just
Enjoying the show right
Yeah that's how you do it
I wish I could have been with Maul
The first time Sicko Mode
Came on around him
I feel like we was
Podding when Sicko Mode came on No I mean when you was podding when Sicko Mold
came out.
No, I mean when you
first heard it.
Oh.
Sicko Mold is one of
the last records.
He heard it in the stew.
So when we heard it,
he was like,
oh, it just finally
came out.
You put an ugly face
on when Sicko Mold
came out.
I don't care what
y'all say.
Oh, yeah.
Of course.
Especially with that
beat drop.
Yeah.
Go side.
Yeah.
All right.
Mall as well.
Parks as well.
Rory as well.
Everybody as well.
Let's check on Rory's
mental health together
as a family.
Yeah, let's do it.
Yeah.
Am I all right today?
Brighter days.
Yeah, I got a lot of cool shit going on this weekend, so I'm excited that that's bringing
my endorphins up.
Ah, your endorphins.
Yeah, good distractions coming up.
We had a little jam session on IG Live the other night.
I tuned in for a few.
Yeah, I wasn't sure if that was you or a fake page.
No, that was me.
Because some people just make y'all pages with the same Abby, and I think y'all are talking to me. And I'm like, Parks wouldn or a fake page. No, that was me. Because some people just make y'all pages with the same avi, and I think y'all are talking to me.
And I'm like, Parks wouldn't say that.
You know, that was me.
I was checking you out.
Did they cut you off for playing music?
Yes.
I got a bunch of notifications I'd never seen before in my entire life.
It was like, hey, shut this off in 30 seconds, or we're shutting you down completely.
Were you playing your own shit?
And then it allows you to say ignore.
I was like, all right, I'll ignore it.
And yeah, they just kept shutting me down.
Were you playing your shit? Yeah, I was playing other shit,, I'll ignore it. And yeah, they just kept shutting me down. Were you playing your shit?
Yeah, I was playing other shit too, though.
Do you think he owns his shit?
I do, actually.
They're talking shit.
Yeah, I don't know what the fuck.
Pow!
Yeah.
I know you don't own yours, but Jesus Christ, don't project that on me.
Pow!
You think Rory not clapping back at Hove's birthday?
Of course not.
You think Rory not clapping back on Hov's birthday?
Of course not.
Random, I do think it's funny that the NBA just announced that they won't be testing players for marijuana,
and instead of the NBA trending, J.R. Smith is trending.
Just him by himself.
You think he smokes a little marijuana?
He's the Jerry West of that shit, man.
Smoking weed and playing ball?
He's the logo.
No, he's going to average 40.
He's high?
Grams.
40 grams.
They said Mike Tyson was high before the fight, right?
He said he was high.
No, no.
J.R. Smith said it.
He told us.
It was Mike himself.
On video smoking.
Yeah.
I was smoking him before the fight.
He looked real good to be fighting high.
Yeah.
Fighting high is kind of tough.
Yeah.
I don't want to fight when I'm high.
There was one fight I had where I was high out of this universe.
On what, though?
Right?
A lot of stuff.
Oh, okay.
That's different.
It was a lot going on, and I got into a little fisticuffs,
and it felt like it was in slow motion,
and I felt like I just kept missing everything,
but I was connecting somehow.
You were the Matrix?
I was missing but I was getting them.
That's funny.
A high fight is pretty funny.
I want to shout out to our YouTube viewership.
Shout out to the YouTube commenters.
Maul's hair is braided
just for you guys.
Shout out to our Apple listenership.
Shout out to our SoundCloud listenership
and the rest of you niggas
that are bootlegging and scamming
and listening to wherever
you might be listening from.
With that said,
Maul, big day for you.
Big day for you.
For me?
Yes.
Happy belated birthday to Hov,
the bar, the blueprint,
the greatest.
Absolutely.
Absolutely.
Happy birthday, Hov.
Did you text him this morning too?
No, I didn't. Oh yeah, that's what
we were clowning. But you're the heir to the throne. That's what we were
clowning Rory about before you got here.
And Joe. Joe also
texted him, happy birthday, big bro.
Okay. And thank you
for everything that you've ever done for me.
Oh, that's sweet. I thought it was nice.
I wasn't clowning anyone.
That keep one eye open like CBS, I didn't
really get it back then, but now I understand.
Then I turned on my cable.
Yeah.
And saw the logo.
Yeah, yeah.
Well, that's good.
I'm glad y'all texted me.
I never said that I did that.
I was trying to introduce a Rory joke.
Oh, okay.
But they brought it to me.
That was nice of Rory.
I didn't do anything.
Happy birthday to Hov.
What emoji?
What emoji juice?
Come on. What emoji? What emoji juice?
Come on.
What emoji did you send?
A balloon?
I mean, maybe.
The party hat?
Maybe a cake.
Maybe a cake.
You sent Jay a cake.
That nigga blocked you, man.
Can't send Hov no cake emoji, man. I did not send Hov a cake emoji, man.
Yes, you did.
Yes, you did. Yes, you did.
I believe it.
I tried to get Broy to tell me what happened,
like tell me what he did,
but he wouldn't tell me.
He just said he said happy birthday.
Yeah, I think that's cool.
Then I asked him if we could utilize his Hove call
to wish Hove a happy birthday on the podcast.
He said no.
Absolutely not.
Oh, yeah.
And I said no, too.
I wouldn't do that
but what about Mo
he is his number two
well that's why
this whole
episode
will be dedicated
to Mo placing his phone
right here
and us making calls
from his phone book
you guys want to call
everybody on my phone
mhm
okay
that's a good episode
just a few people
that's a BTS
is Shorty in there
you see what I said i see what you said i heard what you said yes
yes she's in there too yeah you haven't done you do know these mics are
expensive they've been everywhere they've been
talking yeah he made it clear uh that they had spoken for two hours
afterwards like i didn't need to know the
hour amount more might be lying on his talk
look what Joe think.
Look what Joe think about me.
I'm lying on my talk. He taking it worse than lying on your dick.
You lying on talk?
Yeah, you might be lying on the talk.
You know what I overheard a young lady say?
Ma was like them chicks that say, oh, yeah, we used to talk,
and all you did was DM once.
I heard a young lady say that it's very easy to date two niggas that's boys
because they don't talk to each other about shit.
That's a really good point.
Hey!
Wait a second!
There might be some truth to that.
There's definitely some truth to that.
But eventually, you know...
Who cares if it's eventually
after we both done put her in a blender.
We finding out years later one of us like her more now.
I'm mad at you.
Yeah, no, I mean, but you know.
Is this something that happened?
It's something I would like to happen.
I mean, we talked about it.
As soon as that falls off.
Yo, look what you be wishing for.
When y'all gonna stop?
We don't talk like that.
Every now and then.
I be bringing her to the stage
in the chatty house.
She told me.
But that's the line.
Yeah, yeah.
That's the line.
Yo, bro,
you're lying on the talk.
I don't know.
I don't know.
Now she gonna keep
her little ass in the audience now.
Just for that little line
you threw out there.
It's just regular conversations.
Not like that.
Mo, what do you save,
and then we're going to
actually talk about things
because there are some things
to get to,
but what do you save
women in your phone as?
Under their name?
Their name.
Initials?
A pet name?
No, their name,
but then if it's a common name
on my phone,
I'll...
The app that you met them on?
Yeah, when it says company,
I'll put their IG name.
Their outfit?
The outfit they had on?
That is her company, too.
In your favorite picture?
Red dress.
No, now they have the, you know, when they update their own contact,
they have the picture, the name.
But you have to start getting their contact.
You have to start getting creative.
I never accept that.
I'm not updating anybody's contact.
I don't want to know what's picture.
When they have the photo, absolutely, you should.
Why?
Nah, that's trouble to double.
No, no way.
Are you kidding me? See, more
than in a single life too long.
When you play that game, chicks
look over at my phone anytime it light up.
Well, used to.
Yeah, but that's when you gotta tell them, like,
friends. I know people.
Yo, more.
Let me just tell you something.
Is that how more things that go? Let me tell you something. Is that how Maul thinks that goes?
Let me tell you something.
When a woman that you're dating looks over and says, who is that?
And you say, oh, it's just a friend of mine you don't know.
I know people.
I'm popular, bitch.
Suck it up.
No, Maul.
You the only woman I know?
That's what you're going to say?
Been in the game for years and made me an animal?
What else can you say?
No, Maul.
Maul probably thinks the line.
I've actually known her longer than you would actually work too.
Right.
If it's true.
Yeah.
The truth always works.
When you,
when you say that,
please keep your left.
It doesn't by the way.
The truth works.
The truth never works.
It only lies is what gets you in trouble.
The truth.
Just tell the truth.
Yo,
did he just say,
I'll tell her.
I know I've known her longer than you.
He thinks that would work.
If I do.
Yeah.
If I do.
That's not a lie.
And Maul's never had a woman throw hands at him.
It's just never.
They respect the truth.
Maul thinks women respect the truth.
Oh, God.
This is not our start.
This was not our start.
Please.
Ask women if they respect the truth.
No, Maul.
We have a lie.
And then ask them if they've ever lied,
because they're lying if they say they respect the truth.
Everybody lies, but women hate when you lie to them more.
They respect the truth.
They might hurt, but they respect it at the end of the day.
You got to respect it.
Maul, just keep your hands up when you get those bars off.
A woman will never put her hands up.
Because she's going to pop off.
A woman will never do that to me.
It will never happen.
The high player?
It won't.
They respect me too much.
All right.
No, seriously.
All jokes aside, we are the Hovengers.
We are.
Big thanks. All jokes aside, we are the Hovengers. We are. And while we have probably Hovenger'd
while we've probably Hovenger'd
for a lot of the episodes
this year, today is a special day
for us to Hovenger.
So, I think it's only
right that Rory tell us
what he text told this morning and then we all
get into
why this man is
special to us just for a second.
Just for a second.
I mean, if he is, I don't know. I can't speak for anybody else.
In the event that I would ever do that, let's not shy
away that there may have been a
scenario where you would text him
happy birthday as well. Let's not just put it all
on myself. I may or may
not say something like you've inspired
my whole crew. Thank you for getting us
out the brownstone.
You believed when no one believed.
Oh, God. You had the foresight.
If he regurgitated his speech
to the whole text, you better have said
something else special. No, Roy, the only reason I bring
this up, trying to joke. I would
never tell the world if I did. Maul
would not do this because
he built this this city on rock and roll that's true yes heir to the throne he it's only me and
you who are like actual like fans i'm a huge fan it's a little different with us i'm a huge it's
only you and i who would wake up and say you know what man let's get this guy some flowers yeah let's
get this guy the flowers he deserves so So I'm only trying to see-
When he's enjoying his birthday with his family.
Yeah.
And I know me and you, listen,
I snuck you in the B-Sides concert.
I know we have a, we bond through music.
We do.
Through Hov.
Cocaine 80s first.
Oh, okay.
It's true.
But there's some music that Rory and I bond over.
So I already, all jokes aside,
I know Rory and I gave it up on some
mushy, sappy shit. I just think mine's
hopefully was
cooler. Because I took time
on mine. Oh, you wrote a paragraph.
No, I took time. I gave a paragraph. You can't
text Hov and say, yo, man, it's a little
happy birthday, OG.
You think he's a little too busy for the
paragraph? It's dry. It's just a
little dry.
Okay.
I got into the inspiration you've been for generations.
You changed the world and inspired the minds that will continue to do so.
Which is true.
I got in all of that.
You killed me on Pump It Up.
I did, but I didn't say that.
You never gave Skane the beat back?
That's not what I said. I didn't get that. You never gave Skane the beat back? That's not what I said.
I didn't get to know all that.
But I'm just saying, I carefully worded this,
and I don't normally send a happy birthday text to niggas.
But with niggas dying, with niggas getting locked up,
I just feel like hip hop is in a different place.
And I mean, if I'm going to get all the way mushy, man,
I feel connected to this guy.
I do.
Okay.
I think everyone does to somebody. Nah, not i think everyone does to something nah not like me well sure not like me excuse us sis we can't love home either
that's this was funny
not like i'm only i'm bringing this up for everyone to share their own story or experience.
I'm just saying, much like hieroglyphics back in the day and the ancient writings that was on the wall that the white people couldn't figure out what it was.
Like, I still look at rap music that way.
So some rappers, when I hear their raps, it connects to me personally in a different way because I feel like I can understand where they were when they said it
or why they said it or how they felt.
And it's only really Hov and Drake that that applies to.
It's a small box for me.
It's only them.
But the difference is Hov has kind of seen, he's watched,
he's kind of, this is going to sound horrible, don't joke on me,
but he's kind of seen me grow up.
Yeah.
Yeah, for sure.
It's true.
Absolutely.
Yeah, he's seen, like, like we've been down we've been up
we beefed you were in charge of my career i was an asshole needed therapy a lot of emotional
problems dissed you for nothing like it's been a long it's been a long long road you and cory
say let's go to 40 40 you should apologize like apologize. Like, it's been a lot. Yeah.
The so what?
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
It's been a long...
I don't think anybody can appreciate this stuff from me,
but all those tweets that he put out where he acknowledged me when he shouldn't have,
the following, the unfollowing back in the day during beef.
Like, I feel different about this man.
Judge me if you want.
No. It's reasonable. Judge me if you want. No.
It's reasonable.
Judge me if you want.
It's understandable.
It's understandable.
So, I mean, yeah, man, this is a big deal for me.
Like, when I speak to the older people being, like,
inspirations for artists learning how to age,
like, we talking about, here comes a corny pun,
the blueprint.
You were going to take my corny pun. Without a reasonable doubt. You can use that one. Oh, you need a corny pun. The blueprint. You were going to take my corny pun.
Without a reasonable doubt.
You can use that one.
Oh, you need a new one now.
He took that one.
He took it.
He took it.
No, he took it.
Not in my lifetime.
Oh, he took it.
Whoa.
Whoa.
Slow it down.
Yeah, man.
What was I saying? I think you were, you know, flowers. What was I saying?
I think you were, you know, flowers.
Flowers.
No, Hov being the blueprint, no pun intended.
I'm just saying the blueprint, the bar.
Not only being, listen, I won't even have conversations with certain niggas who don't have Hov number one.
That's just where I'm at with it.
Outside of the bars, what he's been able to do in business, what he's been able to do with his wife, what he's been able to do with Dame, apart from Dame, on Def Jam, apart from Def Jam, title, what he does for artists, how he acts or how they act as the rapper union without an official rapper union.
Like there's a lot that gets into this whole bag that gets me sentimental on his birthday.
And that's a new thing, by the way,
where I'm sentimental on his birthday.
Before, I never gave a fuck about December 4th.
When he made the song,
I was like, what the fuck are we doing here?
That's one of my favorite songs.
It's a great song.
You're getting older, that's why.
I think birthdays not mean more when you get older,
but you reflect a bit more
when you hit certain parts of your life. For sure. That's why. I think birthdays not mean more when you get older, but you reflect a bit more when you
hit certain parts of your life.
For sure.
It's a little different.
I think that's a fact.
And I also think with all of these rappers that have died, like how old are you?
I'm 30.
How old are you?
37.
How old are you?
39.
And I'm 40.
And this morning I stopped when I thought of my age and you guys' age.
And then I thought of Stack's age when he died.
Shanks, Juice WRLD, Pop Smoke.
The list goes on and on and on.
At 40 and 30 and 39 and 36.
Seven.
Seven.
We here.
Right.
We here to watch. We here to experience. We here to watch.
We here to experience.
We here to learn.
We here to tell the story of what the fuck was going on from then, whenever that then starts, to now.
I'm on a rant, but as I age, all of this stuff is super important to me.
Oh, wow.
Happy birthday to Chinks, too.
So, yes, I said.
When was his birthday?
December 4th.
Happy birthday to Chinks.
Rest in peace.
Yeah.
yes i said what was his birthday happy summer 4th happy birthday to chinks rest in peace rest in peace to fred hampton murdered as he laid in his bed with his pregnant fiance by chicago
police and the fbi in 1969 like because of the state of the world and because of rory's point
me aging and just being a little more in tune. Like, this stuff is important to me. So you fucking right.
I sent a mushy text.
I did.
Good.
No, Hov is the metaphor for, I think, not even just the genre of hip hop, but like when
KRS get on his shit of saying like hip hop is not just music.
It's literally a lifestyle of the world.
Yeah.
Hov, I think, is the metaphor for exactly what it is he's
shown how it can age he showed how it could be profitable he showed how it
shifts not just our culture but the world's culture he showed us how to
monetize that he showed us how to own that he's done it all without I don't
think guidance before him on the fly more or less which which i've
always felt hip-hop is hip-hop is the best thing in the world that's done everything on the fly
like we're doing this as we go and we're gonna do it better right and i've always felt hove is
exactly embodies that of hip-hop and he's shown how it can age when they said hip-hop. And he's shown how it can age
when they said hip-hop
was just a fad.
And I'm not saying
Hov was the one
that carried to make sure
it wasn't a fad,
but I just think
he's
combined everything
that
this genre is
in one thing.
I agree.
So,
shout out to Hov,
happy birthday.
He did a deal with Samsung
and made them buy
a million of his albums.
Innovative. Yeah. Innov yeah innovative he told me that chris cristal didn't like me when i didn't drink cristal thank you i had no idea like he just he just was the the deliverer of information so much
so that today i still hear things in the songs that i didn't hear or pick up on
yeah today because i'm 40 and much more business oriented it's very different from
oh that's what a 4.6 is like no that was me at 26 27 28 oh i had no idea and i don't think it
was 26 but whenever i found it out you know what I'm saying and much more than just material items today it's it's just different today man it's different today like I can hear the gems and
jewels and what we should be doing and the same way I try I call myself taking information and
trying to bring it back to the people I have to salute those that have done it before me and
continue to do so like like I went I went to see him to ask for advice on what
we should be doing because i believe him to be able to see things differently there's not too
many people i would go and discuss our situation with right and he gave it up to me i felt good
about how i how i decide how we decided to move in this yeah be free don't take the money thanks ho right cory
cory's with me yeah that was the grammy for me that was the award wait what oh i'm out i'm gone
let's get back to work i just appreciate it man i really really really really appreciate it and
there's been too many years in my career where i have been too cancerous
to acknowledge it and verbalize it so i want that to change today and especially since i don't know
who else i could give it up for like this it's not many people yeah he's one of the uh that's it for
me one of the very few he's uh but you know Me personally It's you know I've been able
To see a lot of things
That never
Get pushed into the public
And you know
See him do a lot of things
For a lot of people
That he never
Talks about
Never mentions
So I see
The person
The real person
That he is
And um
He's truly one of a kind
You know I mean
He's just a genuine
Real solid person
Somebody that's extremely intelligent.
He's just somebody that we all should look at as the bar. A lot of these young cats,
you see them now, they die and they go to prison. And the reason why I feel some type
of way about it and it affects me in a different way is because, you know, if everyone's story ends when they're young, you know, if Jay's story ends when he's 20 and 21, you know, we don't get this.
So that's why when we see, you know, a King Von pass away, a Pop Smoke, a lot of these young, a Nipsey, it bothers me because you know what can come out of these situations and these communities
that a lot of us come from.
Yeah, we do things
at a young age to survive.
But then you make it out of that
and you can change the world.
And I think Jay is a living example
of that, of, you know,
again, you come from selling drugs
and the projects in Brooklyn
to what he is today.
That's like, you know,
I say it all the time.
He has probably the greatest story, American story, that I can think of.
Absolutely.
And I don't say that just because it's Jay and his family.
It's real.
Even if I never met him.
No, he does for me, too.
Yeah, it's like he has the greatest story.
You know what I mean?
We're living in the time in the moment
but 60 years from now when people go back and they learn who jay-z is and was i believe a lot of them
will say the same thing like this dude was you know he was a god really and then i believe that
truly i believe he's somebody that just has the uh he has vision he has the ability to see things
and he has the ability to go out and do things
when people think it's not possible.
Never graduate in high school.
Odds stacked against you.
And you just proving everybody wrong
and doing it your way.
And doing it the way you want to do it
the entire way.
You know,
if Jay doesn't do it the way he does it,
we don't see,
I don't think we see a lot of the things
that we see in the culture today.
I don't think we see a quality control without Rockefeller we see in the culture today. I don't think we see
a quality control
without Rockefeller.
You know what I mean?
That's just me.
You know,
they made it believable
that you can do it.
You know what I mean?
You don't have to have
a college degree
and be a super intelligent guy.
You just have to believe
in yourself and hustle
and work hard
and, you know,
not take no for an answer.
And I think that
everybody should take that
from Jay
if they don't take anything else is never take no for an answer. And I think that everybody should take that from Jay if they don't take anything else.
It's never take no for an answer.
Believe in yourself.
You'll figure it out.
And, yeah, and just hustle, man.
Grind hard and stay the course, man.
And believe in yourself.
Never take no for an answer.
But happy birthday, Hov.
You know, I love you.
I say it whenever I see you, whenever we speak.
You know how I feel.
And thank you for everything you ever did for me, did for the family, did for friends, just anybody in passing.
And salute to you, man.
Artists.
Yeah, artists.
Not just friends and family, but it's a lot of artists that sponge this shit up from him, man.
Yeah, and not just friends, family, artists, people in other parts of the culture.
Yeah.
Just focus on that.
If you've ever had a conversation, a genuine, you know,
real conversation with Jay,
it's definitely some words that stuck with you and changed your life.
Oh, yeah, for sure.
You know what I mean?
Even if it was for five minutes,
he gives you something that you could walk with forever.
Hov, next time you're uptown, man, it's on me.
We going up.
We going up next time. I'm going to take going up next time i'm gonna take a nap i'm gonna take a nap i'm gonna hit the club it's on me don't even worry about it man oh that's
kind of you come on man i'm here yeah i mean what else what else you want me to do oh speaking up
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where would you gentlemen like to begin today your favorite hove album line that most impacted
your life is that where y'all want to go no nigga, nigga. Oh. Okay. At least not right now.
Well, I've always felt American Gangster aged really well.
Aged like wine.
We do need to talk about the current state of hip hop, though.
That's where we're at?
Yeah.
Oh, we coming in hot?
I'm coming in hot.
I'm in.
Because it's a real thing.
Were you talking to the young boys?
What happened?
Just talking in general, man.
I'm so desensitized because so much happened in the last few days.
I think that's the problem.
Yeah.
I think that we are desensitized.
I think that it feels normal to wake up to news of rappers being either killed or under federal indictment.
And that's an issue.
You know what I mean?
That's a real issue.
I just don't know when these rappers are going going to get it when they're going to uh
understand what's happening what's going on but um it's it's something that needs to be
talked about it's something that needs to be addressed because there is clearly
something going on with the hip-hop culture where you know all these federal indictments
keep coming down all these killings keep happening yeah and it's like you know we
scroll and we talk about it for a day and then the next day is business as usual everybody forgets about it let's
tell people what you're talking about and why that conversation is um relevant relevant today i mean
it's been relevant but even more relevant today uh the first news that broke was casanova right
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don't do our merch, but hey!
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Back to Casanova and why Maul thinks that hip-hop is being targeted yet again, right?
Let's see.
Casanova is not charged in the slaying, but faces one count each of conspiracy to commit racketeering,
conspiracy to distribute controlled substances, and a gun possession charge.
According to the U.S. Attorney's Office of the southern district in new york and manhattan casanova 34 surrendered to the nypd around 11 15 wednesday blah blah
he pleaded not guilty to the charges and i'm getting this from daily news by the way
i pleaded not guilty to the charges thursday and is in custody while a bail proposal was being
prepared and that's what we got accused of the yeah that's what we got there uh the report came out said that
he was on the run i always think it's funny when that report comes out on the internet but i
understand it um and he turned himself in yeah that's all we got and that's the information that
we have on that but i do understand your. I saw a lot of that going around.
Yeah, I mean, but it's, you know, I feel like, you know, entertainers and artists, they make it easy for shit like this to happen.
You know what I mean?
Like, you can't have one foot.
Well, Kaz says he's innocent, by the way.
No, I'm not speaking directly to his situation.
I'm just saying in general, you can't have one foot in and one foot out of the game.
If you're an artist, entertainer, I know the situation that a lot of us come from,
coming up in the streets, in the hood, we got to do what we got to do to eat.
But when you find your strength in artistry And you now are a business
And people are invested in you financially
You gotta leave those things alone
You can't have people around you
That's involved in that
Because all of that falls on you
You know what I mean
And they're gonna find a way
To wrap you up in that bullshit
They're gonna find a way to
You know
Put your name in the middle of it
And it's just not worth it
It's really not worth it
And it's clear as day
All these phones
These cameras And we've seen this story Over and over again Where rappers get arrested And it's just not worth it. It's really not worth it. And it's clear as day. All these phones, these cameras.
And we've seen this story over and over again where rappers get arrested.
And then, you know, years later, more rappers get arrested.
But you think this is just happening because dudes are street dudes?
Or because dudes don't fully commit to music when the opportunity presents itself?
Like, why do you think?
I think it's affiliations.... Or it's affiliations.
I think, yeah, it's affiliations.
It's, you know, you have friends from these, you know,
these neighborhoods and the blocks you grew up on
and the communities.
And, you know, if you make it as an artist
or an athlete or whatever,
you don't want to leave certain people behind.
You still hang out with certain people.
But it's important that, you know,
you talk to these people like,
look, if y'all love me and y'all fuck me the way y'all say y'all do we can't be involved with none of this shit
if they're yeah but we got to find another way i'm gonna listen if there were one of the
excuse me if there were one of the street rappers that i would have assumed to know all of this or
not even assume i would have thought to know all of this or not even assume i would have thought
to know all of this it would be casanova probably because we've spoken and he said to me uh both
before his deal and after he got his deal that he very clearly understood that this was his shot
right and he was he was very open and adamant about not wanting to blow that by behaving like his record says or being quick-tempered or being in the street.
He was clear, crystal clear on that.
So it's just like I came in and said when Benny got shot, it's like, damn, man.
Like some of these niggas, we just assumed them to know already.
So, I mean, what happens when it happens anyway?
Like, I can't just say that it's because of affiliations
and where niggas is from and so forth and so on.
Like, I don't know how any of the rappers
are getting paid right now.
I thought that I read that somewhere,
and maybe I'm wrong,
that some of these charges have been being worked on
for like a decade or something like that.
Yeah, a lot of these charges are going back nine, ten years.
Which would be before he was even active musically.
I don't know that to be true,
but that sounds like it makes sense.
I don't know the feds to come snoop around for four months.
No, of course not.
This is a long, ongoing investigation
that the feds have been doing. So i'm just saying it's hard to say
yo man once you get some shit moving leave that shit alone if the shit that they're bringing up
is from before you got shit moving and i understand i want to talk to the rappers that are actively
committing fraud and scams because money is tight and money is low and the whole music industry is
damn near closed the record labels are closed,
but the A&Rs are on Chatty House
every day acting like
they got jobs still.
Like, shit is fucked up
for people out here.
Yeah.
And the different arenas
that that affects,
like, and God forbid,
this probably won't be
the last of this style case.
Well, shit, a few days later,
the G Herbo shit happened.
Right, right.
But the feds came and swooped him, said he's been buying puppies and jets and trips and villas and all types of shit on fraud.
G Herbo also turned himself in.
G Herbo, who was named this week to Forbes 30 under 30, which we'll get to later.
Forbes 30 under 30, which we'll get to later.
Antonio Strong, a Chicago music promoter and manager and several associates were charged in federal court in Massachusetts with conspiracy to commit wire fraud and identity theft.
Boy, that used to be my bag, allegedly.
So I understand.
I get it.
Strong, whom a judge called the ringleader of the one point five million dollar fraud scheme, also faces a wire fraud charge.
I'm assuming that he's going to plead not guilty.
He turned himself in, and we'll see where both of these cases land,
land these gentlemen.
But it doesn't feel good to read,
and I empathize with my brothers and my peers.
I do.
Hell yeah.
I don't have any information as to whether they did it or not,
but I know shit is fucked up out here,
and this probably won't be the last. It is fucked up you know i mean but again you know you can't
you can't put yourself in in the position to lose it all you know i mean and i understand like a lot of dudes just trying to find different ways to make money they hustling well how do you do it
that's just our nature but how do you do it you know how do you do it i can't tell somebody i
gotta be i gotta try to be solution based like
i can't fret over all the wrong that's happening without trying to come up with some way to result
how do you do it i see niggas listen we come here and joke sometimes but i see niggas making their
way to the little pockets that's open where there's people and there's shows and there's
yeah we have we got to do something yeah no i i agree with that
but but putting yourself in the middle of a federal investigation and doing shit like that
that's gonna have you sitting in jail for years is that's definitely not to go to and niggas don't
know the feds is looking at them well i think cat cass's case is much different to what you're
saying yeah because corona has been happened for what eight months this seems like something that's
been going on for quite some time but i do understand that money is low for everybody
so if you're if you're doing wire fraud and you're doing identity theft and like and shit like that
please believe the feds will catch it they will it's only a matter of time they're gonna catch
it tough crime to get away with yeah like they're gonna catch it're going to catch it. It's way too much paper trail.
It's way too much shit
just lying around
that y'all not going to miss it.
Y'all not going to cover
every corner.
Like, they're going to catch it.
And it's only a matter of time
before they come knocking.
And when they do,
we all know that the feds,
when they come get you,
they already have the case solved.
It's over with.
So now it's just a game
of cooperation
or go sit down for 10 years.
And nobody wants to do that.
Right.
Either one.
It's just that
they seem to be targeting
the hip-hop culture
is all I'm saying.
That's been the case
for a long time.
The hip-hop police.
Cops have always,
outside of who they target
as is,
rappers,
that's like a trophy for them.
Because we make it easy.
Everybody's posting everything.
Everybody's, you know, recording everything now and posting it on social media.
Yeah.
They don't even have to leave the offices anymore.
They can just sit down and follow me on social media and they know exactly what's going on.
Yeah.
Like, you know what I mean?
You can't fool the system.
You can't trick the system.
You can't.
It works for a couple years, but then they come knocking And it's like All for what
It's all over with
And it's just unfortunate
Because a lot of these dudes
Have real talent
And they have a real opportunity
And they have families
And kids
And parents
Exactly
And people that care about them
Like
Boy it was difficult
For me to
For me to read
Jazzy's
Swaggy Jazzy's
Post of saying goodbye
Or
Or Cass turning himself in,
liking her, saying she's going to hold it down.
Man, I empathize.
I empathize.
It's rough, man.
It's rough.
And I don't have the answers.
I don't know.
But I do know that the shit that we've been doing,
it's not working.
We got to find a different way to create a steady income.
The world is fucked up right now.
We know that.
There's no shows.
A lot of these rappers depend on these shows.
You know,
it's hard to put out music
because you're like,
well, damn,
we're not going to be able
to perform this.
Right.
So I understand it,
but, you know,
you don't want to sit in prison.
Also think it's important
to note while we're on this
that Young M.A.
was also arrested
for reckless driving.
Oh, was she?
Yeah.
I didn't see that.
Something like that.
That's unfortunate. Yes. Oh, I was going to bring up see that. Something like that. That's unfortunate.
Yes.
Oh, I was going to bring up
Young M.A. being on Clubhouse
and it being over for you
trying to bag chicks now,
but I didn't know this happened.
Young M.A. was different
on my list.
Oh, yeah.
Well, this is...
She's not facing
any serious charges,
I hope.
No.
Okay.
She'll be fine.
Any music came out?
I saw Raheem dropped. Yeah, my guy Raheem. Shout out Raheem in front of out? I saw Raheem dropped
Yeah my guy Raheem
Shout out Raheem
In front of the show
Love Raheem
I didn't see anything else
Oh really?
Droog
Your old Droog
Okay
Both dope projects
Yeah nah
Droog shit is really dope
I like the Droog album a lot
Joe you listen to Raheem album at all?
Or just saw that drop?
A little bit
No a little bit
I bought it
I bought it Play played a little bit
this morning, and then got on my
bullshit, but no, I didn't finish it.
Yeah, I like the EP a lot.
Blast. Blast put out his
Deluxe. Deluxe.
These Deluxe guys.
I didn't get it, so this is new to me.
Yeah, no, they're deluxing us.
They're deluxing us away here.
Rico Nasty put out an album, or EP.
What is it?
No, it's an album.
Last few Fridays for me have been a bit underwhelming.
Not last Friday was crazy, but this Friday,
there's some good underground stuff,
but not as much mainstream.
Melly and Black put out a record?
Yeah.
I didn't hear it.
How was it?
You heard it?
No, I didn't hear it.
No, you heard it.
I did hear it.
I did hear it I did hear it
Park was playing it
Yeah Joe actually thought
Droog was singing now
Because we went right
From the Droog album
We went from the Droog
From the Droog album
Right to this
To her singing about
Her new band with
Big Dick or something
I was like
Is Droog trying to catch one?
He's showing his artistry
Yeah
What the fuck
He's trying to
Like from her point of view
He's trying to take
The game somewhere.
You didn't see the sequencing
in the album
where this would fit?
On a Droog album?
As the outro?
I still want to know
what's going on with Melly
in regards to whatever
that situation was
with her on Tory's label.
I still want to know.
I'm curious too.
All the shit I really want to know
from hip hop,
they suppress and hide it from me. I'm curious too. She's super dope. All the shit I really want to know from hip hop they suppress
and hide it from me.
I can see why
in this particular case.
Is it because I'm media?
That probably is part of it.
Oh, I can keep a secret.
I'm sure you could
probably hit up Melly
and figure out what's going on.
This is why we needed
Maul's phone.
If I hit Melly
it's not going to be to say
hey, you and Tory's
label situation
what was happening? What's happening with that so why would you
hit her to check on her well-being that's what I wanted to know you gotta
check on it well being super important yeah okay no Joyce Rice put out a first
single so so sick which is really dope that record is really really good I like
Joyce yeah that's probably one of my favorite records
of the release
days. Oh, Currency
put out a compilation. Currency's working,
man. Didn't he just put one out last Friday?
Yeah, this is with all his crew.
Okay. It took me
a while to find it. Man, get me to the first
quarter releases. I'm done with all this filler
and fluff. This is filler
and fluff? They're filler and fluffing me to death. Well, yeah. This is, you know, again. I'm waiting with all this filler and fluff. This is filler and fluff? They're filler and fluffing me to death.
Well, yeah. This is, you know, again...
I'm waiting for the blockbusters.
I'm waiting for the jammy jams. You know who I'm waiting for.
The lineup. The Avengers.
The Transformers. I'm waiting.
It's all going to be on HBO, so don't worry about it.
Didn't Cole announce yesterday or two days ago
that he was putting something out today?
Did he? Or did you find another fake Jake Cole page?
Yeah, you know what Rory does here.
No, it was real.
How about confirm things before you come on this podcast?
No, I'm telling you, I went to his page
because I thought it was a fake page.
You're the J. Cole insider.
That is true.
Two days ago on J. Cole's Twitter,
not a made up one,
Ebony and Ivory available Friday.
Oh, no, the sneakers dropped.
Oh.
Oh, shout out to the sneakers, no. The sneakers dropped. Oh. That's all. Oh, shout out to the sneakers,
man.
I was like, oh, we getting the Ebony and Ivory pack.
Nah.
Yeah, no. It's just the sneakers.
Just sneakers. My bad. And they did drop.
Shout out to Cole's sneakers.
Yeah. Some music would be nice, too.
Yeah, it would. But that's that first quarter that I think Joe was talking about.
Somebody had DM'd me
And said
A Drake
What's up you want this pussy
You didn't get that DM
Nah I didn't get that DM
You did
Nah I didn't
You had to respect that
You can't publicly say it
But you did
Nah I never got a DM like that
Yeah what's up
You want this throw baby
I never got that DM
Yes you did
I would respond to it
No we know
Who's the throw know don't matter
to throw right no it's throw it's the throat is got a throat yeah throat is
important she's got a throat yeah throat is important but now they said uh Drake
was supposed to put on a little fire pack or something and then I heard some
more Drake has an album coming but yeah now he said before the album to warm it up it was gonna be like a little fire pack
that he dropped that's what they said and there's some dude and London was on
IG live and some Drake records had once London always get it first I have every
time every time and he was playing a bunch of Drake records but I didn't hear
it I think it's because things have to be submitted over there before over here
no I understand that when it leaks like the's because things have to be submitted over there before over here I understand that
when it leaks
like the two days before
cause yeah
they do get it earlier
but I'm talking about
like six months
the whole album
be playing in a London club
and you're like
what the fuck
put some respect
on Tim Westwood's name
yeah you're right
shout out to Tim Westwood
you know what I mean
act like you don't know
who Simtex be
I do
I do know who Simtex be. I do. I do know who Simtex be.
Fuck you,
I can surprise you about that.
Duh.
Listen,
we are going to talk about Tiana Taylor threatening us with retirement,
because that makes me sad.
Cut it out,
T.
But I've been hearing rumblings.
I've been hearing,
I've been,
the talk has been getting louder surrounding Rihanna,
and how there are some fans that think because anti
was one of the greatest albums that that should be her send-off rihanna that's getting it's getting
louder it's getting louder it is it's crazy it shouldn't yeah there are more and more people
attempting to make sense of it that doesn't make sense that's just what people sorry people try to
make sense of the shit that they come up with. But Rihanna is not retiring.
Rihanna is just busy being a fucking empire and a businesswoman at the moment.
Yeah.
Yeah, but they're saying she should retire.
Hell no.
Don't leave while you hot.
That's how Mace grew up.
I'm not going to say that line to Mace.
It's just a fact, though.
I love Mace, but it's just a fact.
It would make no sense but I feel like
I've heard y'all
say before
that you should
leave on a high
not like that
but that is a high
leaving on a high
and leaving on
this type of high
but what else
is there for her to do
I'm not
alright there's the
since I have to play
devil's advocate now
there's the leaving
the way John Elway left
where it's like
alright you won a Super Bowl
I don't know about
how colonizers left.
Colonizers.
You tell me.
He colonized Denver?
The Broncos?
I don't know.
How did John Elway leave?
He's still there.
He's still there.
He is.
There's a difference of maybe ending your career a year or two early
when you win the Super Bowl,
when you're already old and towards the end
of your career.
Rihanna is not towards
the end of her career.
No.
Not at all.
Rihanna's in shape.
Yes.
You should continue
to make music.
Rory, how many more
Rihanna albums do you think
you're getting in your lifetime?
Several.
Yeah.
Thank you.
Now can you use your brain power
and give me a number
so we can really have the talk?
Four or five.
Maybe more.
Maybe more. I agree with that i
don't know the only thing i would say is the makeup part i would have said ten had fenty not
dropped but once that shit is like a little bit more on autopilot the the the bras and the makeup
and all that shit she's gonna go back to music yeah yeah i think rihanna likes making music
yeah okay and then the music industry since she's become artists has changed
like the way you release it the way people can stream well she's been active since all that all
those things happen no but i'm saying when she came in it was it just the game has changed a lot
the music industry has changed so it's like now it's she doesn't really have to be like she can
put put it out she can put out five records and they just be that you know i mean
people would be fine with that they'll stream the shit out of that she can perform it she can
make a dope visual for you out of five pack i'm saying she can i mean she's put out lucy's before
yeah it's no rules like there's no more rules in this shit joe like you don't have to see i put
out lucy's before yeah the uh was it bitch better have my money i think was not on the album one of
those big records yeah it was that one.
Yeah.
It was that one.
It's just no rules.
I like that song, too.
It was a huge song.
The song was great.
It's a monster Lucy.
Okay, so when you're asking that question,
you seem,
I don't know if you're just playing devil's advocate
or really believe that we won't be getting
five plus Rihanna albums for the rest of our lives.
I can't believe that you think
we're getting five more Rihanna albums.
I don't think that at all.
I don't think it'll be anytime soon.
And I think that every female artist has to give us their album once they reach a certain point in their life.
Like Motherhood.
It's just different content now.
They create different content.
Beyonce did it.
All the great female artists have done it.
Tiana just had a baby and we're
about to talk about her retirement.
But she put out a fire album. And she's retiring.
That's exactly what I just brought up about Rihanna.
She put out two albums since she had the baby, didn't she?
Yes. I think she did.
The Kanye album won this year.
I don't know.
I don't think we're getting five albums from Rihanna.
And I don't think that she should not put out music
anymore because Anti was great. Tiana Taylor Taylor I just wanted to point out that the
talk was getting louder Tiana Taylor when I walked in here apparently she's retiring and I had no
idea and she said this on Instagram wow who did that y'all did that thank you I ain't gonna front
in times of feeling super underappreciated as an artist receiving little to no real push from the machine
Constantly getting the shorter end of the stick being overlooked. I mean the list goes on and on lol
I'm retiring this chapter of my story with the comfort that I can depart with peace of mind seeing that all the hard work and
Passion put in was indeed loved and supported somewhere in the world
To all my supporters from day one and all my new ones
I love you and I thank you for everything and don't worry
Y'all know all the hustlers have an understanding that when one door closes, another will open.
Either that or I'm picking the locks, Petunia.
So what's up?
She's got to have a Def Jam gig lined up.
I mean, if Def Jam was smart, but I don't know if Tiana's taking a Def Jam gig.
She doesn't seem to really like the music industry bullshit, so I don't know if I could's taking a Def Jam gig. She doesn't seem to really like the music industry bullshit,
so I don't know if I could see her getting a label job.
She would body a creative director position there.
For sure.
I don't know if she's taking that.
Do y'all believe this retirement?
I don't have enough money for it, no.
Do y'all believe this?
First of all, Maul says no parks?
No.
I don't.
Rory, what say you?
I don't, only because I don't want Tiana just to stop making music.
And I think she'll get the book.
She's such a creative.
I think she may not feel like she wants
to make music right now, but I think that bug
will come back.
You niggas answer every question selfishly.
Why?
Y'all never seem to attempt to put
yourself in that person's shoes.
That's not what I'm doing
right here at all. I'm saying that she's a
super creative person,
and I think creative people
move on to other
creative things
but still get that same bug
from what they used to love.
Listen, it's just this simple.
Name an artist
that has announced
a retirement
and stayed retired.
Joe.
You just said
I don't care what I said.
I'm telling you an artist
that said he retired
and stayed retired.
You are not retired.
Cut it out.
But I stayed retired.
No, you have not.
How many bars have you written
in the past five years?
Fucking no.
A lot.
Not a lot.
I feel like y'all just look for something to debunk the whole rappers can retire theory.
No, I just don't think.
There's a lot of evidence that they don't.
I don't.
They haven't.
And by the way, I think they can.
They haven't, but they can.
I just think creative people, when they love a certain type of art, continue to do it i retired after like 17 projects
retiring after two albums it's not a real thing when one of them was 17 minutes it's not a real
thing like she may be you know stepping away from recording and focusing on other adventures and
other things that she wants to do but when when you're an artist, you're always going to create.
Yeah.
You're always going to create art.
You're always going to, you know.
I can 100% understand
why she feels like
she wants to retire.
Her last album,
she didn't even hear it
until it came out.
And this one,
maybe was underappreciated by...
It was really good.
It was a really good album.
And it was probably underappreciated
by the Grammys
and so on and so forth.
So I completely understand
why she might be like,
man, fuck this.
It was a real good album.
Get Def Jam on the line.
Call them.
I know what that is that I hear in her voice.
I do.
Yeah, it's not retirement.
It's a...
Fuck this shit.
Detachment and independence.
I sound like all love lost.
The R&B version.
You uninspired by the bullshit that has nothing to do with creative.
Yeah.
Like, that's it.
I didn't even piece together the correlation between the streams that she posted and the message.
And she just said it.
Like, wow.
See, I don't know how that feels because I never streamed.
Like, I sold a couple records, but they jerked me.
You're not supposed to get paid on your record.
So this is different
162 million streams
all of these fans
15 million listeners
yeah
8.4 million hours
of listening
yeah I think all that says
to T is
from what she's saying
is she just wants
to be independent
yeah
I don't think she wants
some people I think should be
absolutely
and she's one of them
yeah absolutely yeah she's definitely one of the I think should be absolutely and she's one of them yeah absolutely
yeah she's definitely
one of the artists
that should be
so again
retire
no
get away from the label
structure and all of that
and be independent
fuck that shit
I think that's what this is
but either way
she's a talented artist
she's amazing
she's amazing
you know
she's one of these people
that we need
in our culture
she's an inspiration for a lot of young girls and a lot of young people that we need in our culture she's a inspiration for a lot of
young girls and a lot of young women so we need her the other part of retiring artists that we
didn't get into because this has nothing to do with tiana i can see artists trying to retire
themselves before they're retired like let me end this before the fans end it or before the industry
ends it let me go out on my terms like I'd like to end this thing not
it just run its course because I'm no longer
going to be relevant or cared for at all
like I'm going to do it on my terms
have we seen that though
seen what seen someone retire
because they feel like the
I'm going to fight every one
of you what stop doing that
what yeah what the fuck do
I have to do in here your last stop
intercepting stop intercepting flowers or stop avoiding flowers i got a flower somewhere to
somewhere to be had in this take it don't have to be a dozen roses the singular rose will do just
fine outside the club just piss me i'll be in front. Has there ever been anyone that took it on their own and just said, you know what?
I can't think of who.
I'm going out on my own name.
I think it was a guy.
He ripped Jersey.
I'm not sure.
I feel like there was someone.
Oh, Redman.
Yo, I'm sick of y'all.
That's hilarious.
But I do understand.
I do understand.
Wait a minute. Wait a minute. Is this do understand. I do understand. Wait a minute.
Wait a minute.
Is this breaking news?
Uh-oh.
Uh-oh.
I think it is.
Breaking news.
Breaking news.
Our next versus is in.
I don't know where I stand.
I don't know, you guys.
Ashanti versus Keisha Cole.
Yes, sir. It's actually a good battle. It is a good battle. Yeah, I'm. Ashanti versus Keisha Cole. Yes, sir.
It's actually a good battle.
It is a good battle.
Yeah, I'm not mad at this one at all.
Ashanti got bigger, big records.
Keisha got some shit, man.
She does.
She does.
She probably got better album records.
Ashanti about to have a long night.
Nah, Ashanti can keep up.
Y'all laughed me out the room when I said it months ago.
There's some of y'all that think that I just cling on to predictions
reaching for shit, but if Savon did
his job, we would have this
stuff. I said Keisha Cole
is a problem and all I heard was
ka-ka-ka-ka-ka.
No one laughed at you by saying Keisha Cole
makes good music.
You might have had a
you might have named a battle.
No, I said Keisha...
I did not name a bunch of battles.
You might have said versus somebody.
Yeah, we probably would have laughed at the...
I said Keisha Cole and Ashanti.
And we laughed that out the room?
Yes.
Find it.
I know.
You never do.
Do your job, bitch.
How about that?
Please find that.
You don't have to remember shit.
Listen back.
Audio recordings.
But anyway, here we go.
Please find it.
It doesn't matter. Y'all be wrong all the time. here we go. Please find it. It doesn't matter.
Y'all be wrong all the time.
Here we go.
What do you think of this?
Let's hear it now.
It's here.
I'm sticking with what I said originally.
Long day for Ashanti, even though she has bigger records.
She has features.
Rain On Me is a point.
What is that?
Rain On Me is a point.
I don't care what Keith's called. Ashanti has a couple more points than just Rain On Me. Yeah? Rain on me is a point. I don't care what he's called.
Shanti has a couple more points.
Yeah, she got a lot of points. I don't know.
What's the other ones?
Baby.
I'm real. J-Lo. Ja Rule.
Yeah.
I don't think there's a guarantee point.
I don't know. And what's baby?
You want me to sing it?
Kind of, yeah.
Baby, baby, baby, baby, baby.
Foolish.
Brandy.
Always on time.
Ashanti.
What do you think about Brandy?
You can pull it up.
You have it.
What's Love with Fat Joe?
You'll know what's in there.
She has joints.
She has a lot of joints.
You got Baby in your Serato.
I think you have Ashanti, especially features-wise, a little fucked up.
Rock with you? I just think she's going to have Like, hit. I think you have Ashanti, especially features-wise, a little fucked up. Rock with you?
I just think she's going to have a long day.
I'm very familiar with Keisha Cole.
Though, like, to say someone's going to have a long day is kind of implying that they may get washed.
Yeah.
No, no, no, no, no.
Okay, that's not what I'm saying.
I think this is going to be a great battle.
That's not what I'm saying.
Win or lose for Ashanti, a long day is ahead.
That's what it means.
Oh, yeah.
She's dealing with an opponent
that has... This is not going to be
Brandy Monica. This is a good matchup.
This is a good matchup. That was a good
matchup, too. Yeah, I was going to say Brandy Monica was like a...
The only low part was who shot
you. Yeah, I'm
picking Keisha Cole in this.
Okay. I'm not mad at that.
I'm standing firmly. Rory's trying to bully me
out of my pick. I'm not mad at that. Rory's trying to bully me out of my pick.
I'm not mad at that.
Rory's trying to bully me out of my pick.
Ashanti got joints.
All right, we'll play one then.
An Ashanti joint?
Yeah, play one.
Or just sing it.
Actually, just sing it.
Hit it, Rory.
Let's stick with the JVP sings Ashanti's hits.
Always there when you call.
But I'm always on time.
And I gave you my all.
That's an alto, actually.
Now baby, be mine.
The voice of an angel, Rory.
Can you put some tune on that?
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
No problem.
I'm not gonna.
This is a tough record.
Yo, don't force me to get into my Keisha Cole set.
I got YouTubers trying to listen.
YouTubers.
I am bopping him over the head with Keisha Cole right now.
Yeah. Okay. I like the part. Hold up.
Hold up.
Nah.
No, talk right now, because you're about to get to the bridge, and then you're going to walk your white ass to the Mazda.
I want to talk about Keisha Cole versus Shanti.
I want to talk about me singing a Shanti versus Joe singing Keisha Cole. I think I won that round.
I just won that round.
You did with that one.
It's one on me.
I didn't pull up a song to match my tenor.
I can't sing this key.
Hey.
It's that shit, though.
Listen, man.
What a shot she's going to do when it's come on.
She better play a big boy.
That's all I'm saying.
Gotta be a big boy.
Don't play around with her.
Oh, Keisha Cole going to dig in her Missy bag.
It's going to be a big boy. Don't play around with her. Oh, Keisha Cole going to dig in her Missy bag. It's going to be a long day.
Oh.
Listen, man.
Oh, come on, man.
Come on, man.
Keisha Cole got records.
And if any of you have ever attempted to speak to all the women that you've hurt from your past, like way after you hurt them.
They relate to Keisha. They all brung up, I should have cheated, Keisha Cole.
Every last one of them.
Every last one of them.
So I don't know if the chicks,
I think they might feel an emotional connection to some of them,
that nigga ain't shit records.
Sure.
Ashanti running around looking happy, looking beautiful.
She's in the Joyner Lucas vid.
She's on Weight Watchers now.
Don't say Keisha Cole is not running around here looking good.
I don't know.
Wait, what?
They both look great.
Don't say that.
Keisha's not also happy and looks good.
I didn't say that.
But you said.
Never mind.
I said Ashanti's running around happy looking good.
I'm just letting you know the DM you're going to get.
I'm trying to clean it up early.
I didn't say nothing about Keisha Cole.
Listen, man.
Ashanti looks great.
Look, I know. That's a point. It ain't a pictures versus. That's a point right man. Ashanti looks great. Look, I know.
That's a point.
It ain't a pictures versus.
That's a point.
That's a point.
It ain't a pictures versus.
It might be.
I hear what y'all talking about.
That's a point, though.
Like, dude, that blue?
What the fuck?
What record comes on after that?
That's a point.
That little bathtub pic is kind of nice.
That's a point.
Yeah, yeah, that's a point.
Yeah.
IG is a point.
I don't have the other.
Hey, go back to Ashanti's list, because this list looks nuts. I don't know if foolish is a point I don't have the other go back to Ashanti's list because this list looks nuts
I don't know if foolish
is a guaranteed point
but that would be
the closest one
besides rain on me
I'm real
I'm not as big on that
as y'all are
especially in the versus
Rock with you
I don't know if that goes against
I should have cheated
but rock with you is
a point
she gonna get in there and play all the Ja Rule joints.
And Fat Joe Records.
Southside with Lloyd is a point.
Keisha Cole, baby, we got two weeks to do some features.
Hey, you better call Jermaine Dupri, Puff Dre, Kool and Dre, Manny Fresh.
Oh, man.
Point is a point. Sorry. No way. What? This is not a point. Oh, man. Point is a point.
Sorry.
No way.
What?
This is not a point.
No way.
No way is this a guaranteed point.
Where is this not a point?
On Versus.
This is not a guaranteed point.
I'll bet you whatever you want to bet that this is a point.
I take the bet.
I don't think this is a guaranteed point.
And I also think I'm savvier than you, so I'm taking it.
All of you.
Okay, so let's do this.
I don't think that's a guaranteed point.
What does Keisha play after that?
Let's say that Ashanti just played that record.
And I don't think that's late in Ashanti's catalog.
Like, I think she might play that a little early.
Yeah.
Whenever she plays it, I don't think it's a guaranteed point.
And I'm not sure what Keisha would play there.
Okay, do you think this is...
Maybe she got a dig in her...
One of them Alicia Keys records beats that.
Is this a point
No
This is a loss
You are buggin I
Have no idea what y'all are talking about
I have no idea what y'all are talking about.
I can't believe you don't think the Fat Joe record is good. This is an L, too, right here, right?
Quick L.
Shit.
Quick L on this shit.
On Memorabond.
This might be two points.
This might be two.
Yeah, I know.
I know.
Oh, come on.
So she's going to play a hook?
Yeah.
Have you seen the verses yet?
I don't know if you're familiar with this platform, Joe.
Y'all niggas don't get the fuck out of my face.
That's the point.
I don't think so. Okay. I don't think if you're familiar with this platform, John. Y'all niggas don't get the fuck out of my face. That's the point. I don't think so.
Okay.
I don't think so.
All right.
She got junk.
She got records.
Hey, I'm in the minority.
I don't think this is a guarantee point either.
You know what the other guarantee point is?
Boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom.
That one.
Keisha Go?
No, Ashanti.
Boy, I can't wait to get next to you.
Women like that a lot.
Only you.
Women like that a lot.
That's a joke.
If she's doing her Ja Rule bag, always on time is a point.
She's got another one that's a guarantee.
She's got another one.
She's got another one that I think is a guaranteed point.
So listen, my opinion, because I think y'all looking at me like I'm stupid right now.
I give Ashanti like five guaranteed points.
Okay.
Facts.
Guaranteed points.
I don't give Keisha maybe one guaranteed point.
Maybe one.
But over the course of the 20.
I get it.
I'm with you.
I said that from the rip.
Keisha Cole probably has better album cuts.
Yeah, yeah.
Oh, without question,
has better album cuts.
Ashanti's got the smashes.
When does Ashanti's weaker 10 play?
First or second?
First.
You play that first.
We would assume, right?
Because some of these,
they'd be switching it up.
Nah, nah.
She has a lot of hook fillers
that could kill that first 10 where she could really play her shit on the last one.
Because some of them Ja Rule records, she don't have 90 seconds of her.
I mean, she has all the hook.
That's going to sound away if you just play the hook you're on and the four-bar bridge, and now you have to cut it off.
She has to let some of the verse rock, right?
Yeah.
What did Payne do when he was playing his hooks?
Payne has long bridges
on slower joints.
That was also at the point...
He has a whole verse on joints.
That was also at the point
when you could play full records.
His hooks are way longer than...
That was before Instagram started hating.
Okay.
And you could play fuller songs.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
More of the song.
Do we respect it if she plays this
because it wasn't really
the version we rocked with?
She will play this, but,
and she's going to play
her version of the J-Lo joint.
Nah,
she should just play
the I'm Real record.
Turn this off for a minute.
Because her vocals
are on the head.
Yeah,
don't back up.
I think y'all getting
Keisha fucked up, man.
I'm not getting
Keisha fucked up.
I mean,
you're just getting
a chance at something.
I don't know.
I don't know.
I don't know.
Huh?
That's what I'm saying, man. I don't think this is just...
We agree. She has a good album cut.
You're the only one that's saying it's going to be Lopsiders.
We're saying the opposite.
I don't know. I think Ashanti might sleep on Keisha.
I know one thing.
This is going to be a lot of ladies.
Get out.
Get out.
I don't love you.
Keisha.
I don't love you.
Hey, I have every Keisha Cole album, and there's a lot of this.
The track, by the way.
No, I'm good.
Hey.
I don't love you.
Keisha.
No, I don't love you.
These ain't even my songs that I like like
These is just the ones that work
There's this girl I know
So deep in love
Yeah, I don't wanna hear all that shit Rory is talking about
Man, he making me mad, honestly
Honestly, he making me mad
I don't wanna hear that old school shit no more
There's a point, man
I don't care who you
Against this point
New Keisha.
That's Missy voice, man.
Hey.
Hey.
Hey.
Missy wrote this and Keisha sung it.
They didn't give it to somebody.
Hey, they kept this hit for themselves.
Shanti was like a little girl in high themselves. Hey, listen, man.
I'm just telling you what happened, man.
I'm talking shit, man.
But man, when is that?
When is this battle?
December 12th.
Oh, it's coming up.
Wait, whoa.
Hold up.
Next Friday?
Yeah.
No, next Saturday.
Next Saturday, sorry.
That's shortly
oh thank god
yeah I hate when
they've announced these
and it's like a month later
yeah I don't like that either
oh great
I'm not mad
what day is
what day is that for
Saturday
hey
oh we gotta turn it up
then for this
this is gonna be
this is gonna be
one of those
I might need
I gotta be surrounded
by the Jezebels
when this drop I gotta have Jezebels when this drops.
I got to have them around me when this come out, huh?
I don't know if the new Jezebels might not be too much into this.
The mid-range.
What new Jezebels?
The mid-range.
The new Jezebels that are flocking around.
You need like 20, 28 to 30.
Yeah, you need 20, 10 Jezebels for this.
Maybe like a 1994 cap.
No, you can bring the young Joints through and school them.
Nah, because they just keep asking,
oh, what is this?
Who sings this?
That's like the girl playing the record sings this.
Listen, check this out.
In 05 when this dropped right here, oh my God.
05?
I was in sixth grade.
I was like seven.
Listen, Amazora used to go crazy when this one.
And 2 used to be on tilt when this came on
yeah this is exciting man
this is exciting
I'm with this
love to both of these ladies
by the way
absolutely
yeah for sure
yeah but the last time
I saw Ashanti
she stepped on me
she thought I had smoke
and I don't
about what
I don't know
I don't remember the things
I'd be saying
but I've never had smoke
you diss Nelly no oh okay why you spreading a business I don't know. I don't remember the things I'd be saying, but I've never had smoke.
Disnelly?
No.
Oh, okay.
Why you spreading your business?
I think she would look out for her loved ones.
I'm excited about this.
Me too.
Is this the battle he was talking about that's going to bring New York back?
No.
Listen, I don't know.
I hope not.
I don't know.
I met Keisha in New York.
She was in New York when it popped. Yeah. And I don't even like that scream I don't know I met Keisha in New York She was in New York
When it popped
Yeah
And I don't even like
That scream man
And Savon quiet over there
Like she don't represent
L.I.
Oh no they going crazy
They going crazy
Uh
Yeah nah
But you realize
You guys are now
Us against Atlanta
Like we're trying to
Turn this versus thing around
The chanti looks good
Damn I didn't even
Think of it that way
You ain't even factoring that in
Yo
I'm glad you said that
Yeah I ain't even factoring that in
Who's gonna win the outfit war
Probably Ashanti
Ashanti might pick up
That Fashion Nova bag
Get a couple
Couple extra dollars in there.
That right there
would have won it.
What Keisha coming in with?
She's going to have
that shit on too though.
Don't get it twisted.
Yeah.
Keisha can fly too.
I never twisted it.
Yeah, Keisha can fly.
Will Keisha's mom
be in attendance?
I think both the moms.
Oh yeah,
this is a mom battle too.
I didn't even think about that.
This is the mom battle. too. I didn't even think about that. This is the mom battle.
Yeah.
I'm going Frankie.
I don't know, man.
Miss Frankie.
Give me Miss Frankie.
Y'all niggas are such fans.
Y'all know about moms.
Who don't know about Keisha Cole's mom?
She's a legend.
Shanti's mom owned the dance studio on Jamaica Avenue.
Don't put her down.
I didn't put anyone down.
No, well, he's saying Frankie.
I'm not talking to you.
I'm talking to them all.
Well, let me move.
That he's just going to take Frankie off the rip.
Like, I don't know.
Love Frankie.
Shout out to Miss Frankie.
All right.
Well, I'll be watching on Saturday.
Absolutely.
That was exciting.
Yeah.
All right.
Oh, do they like each other?
Is there beef?
I can't see that
are they gonna be catty
look at you in women's
now that's always
are they gonna be catty
that just shows up
that just shows up
that's part of it
cause these are two divas
yeah that just
that's gonna be in a room
they're kinda divas
look at you in women's business
I'm always in women's business
right
like your whole rap career
it's a good rap career.
What else is happening?
What else is going on that's important for us to get to?
Come on, this HBO topic is burning a hole in parks.
I can see it.
What HBO did?
Taking over the world.
Won.
They won, yeah.
They won.
It's over.
They came through with the Thanos glove for real.
It's over now.
Man.
I watched that little trailer thingamajiggy they put out.
Yeah, I watched it too.
Oh, and that?
And that?
And that?
Oh, man.
Yeah, that's what I said watching the trailer.
Yeah.
Some of these corporate suits, man, y'all just overthink shit
because y'all don't know shit about shit.
Yeah.
And you're trying to capitalize and maximize
and find a way to keep every dollar and build your monopolies.
Just like the edit button seems so simple on Twitter.
It seemed like such a simple solution for you studio houses that make movies and own streaming services to say, hey, same day release.
What?
They dropped the beat out when that happened. The letters got big. hey same day release what?
they dropped the beat out when that happened
the letters got big
they started
same
day
release
wait
I was home like
wait
are you kidding me?
yo
now this is coming off of
and I may jeopardize
a future Netflix check here.
But boy, have they been trash.
Yeah, it's been a little slow.
No, it's been a lot of slow for months.
The Queens gaming thing was cool, but that's not enough.
Oh, please.
Fuck out of here.
That's not enough.
You wasn't feeling it?
That's not enough.
That was a good show, but...
Cool.
Not enough.
Yeah.
Cool.
When HBO gave us...
Everything? Done doing and... And every other good show. Euphoria. Yeah, and... yeah cool yeah HBO when HBO gave us done doing
everything
done doing
and every other good show
Euphoria
yeah
where was Ozark
that's Netflix
Netflix
yeah
I'll go Netflix
well not really
because the next season
is the last one
true
you're gonna have to find
hey
you made Hove
make another one
make another Ozark yeah's gambit and the fucking
the beast that's not doing it whatever what else they got on netflix a bunch of bullshit it's been
slow for a long time and here comes hbo who's been great for a long time i just started uh i was
watching uh how i murdered my mom's murdered my watch that. I watched that. Is it good?
It's good if you're into like a doc.
It's like a doc.
I like docs.
I started it.
It started slow.
It's slow.
It starts slow.
But I really like people investigating murders.
Cracking the case.
So I watched it.
I started last night.
What else on HBO?
Netflix had a few of those, though.
They did.
Good murder. It's been a while
It's not fast enough
They should be able to turn out
Those Unsolved Mysteries
A little quicker than they have been
Because that show's good
Yeah
Well Netflix don't want to
Partner with nobody
To actually
Distribute content faster
They should partner with somebody
Yeah
When the HBO announcement
Came out
I was like
Oh what the fuck
Can y'all do
It's HBO
We have partnered with someone
Oh wait a minute Boy did they HBO. We have partnered with someone. Oh, wait a minute!
Boy, did they. Not just
someone. They partnered with Warner.
Yeah, that's not just someone. And they have some
deal where they're going to release all the
Warner Brothers stuff on HBO
the same day it's released in the movies. I'm amped.
I'm here for that. They were already winning. I was
telling you, I was starting that show last night called
Cult of Cults.
What's that? They're on HBO Max? It's about a cult. I like cults show last night called a cult of cults what's that HBO max it's about a cult it's about a cult and they all died I think it's tea
and tea and dough or the two people's names that was running the cult 37
people mass suicide 1997 this is a another four part series HBO HBO HBO
not for nothing their batting percentage is crazy.
Historically. Yeah,
they're the staple. Yeah.
Before we even knew what a Netflix was, it was HBO.
Yeah.
And I think, you know, this was right
on time. And they know the pandemic,
theaters being closed. We were just talking
about not being able to see Tenet
and not knowing where we could watch it.
I started Tenet on Plex last night
because it's on Plex early.
It looks good.
Yeah?
It looks good.
They invented this TV series shit
that's an hour long
that's better than a movie.
Yes.
That is extremely complex.
Everyone took HBO's blueprint.
It's not just a simple sitcom.
Sure.
That's true.
Everyone took HBO's blueprint.
Not only are we going to have
a mob show,
he's going to be in therapy.
But now they just keep doing it.
HBO invented this shit. They crushed the buildings with this movie a mob show, he's going to be in therapy. But now they just keep doing it. HBO invented this shit.
They crushed the buildings with this movie announcement.
Yeah, it's crazy.
I know I'm phony, man, but I'm riding with HBO.
I still think that that peacock thing NBC is doing
is going to be something.
The peacock is going to crush the building too.
That's going to be something.
When I read Netflix's announcement
that The Office was leaving this month,
I could hear the sadness
through the text.
For real, they tried to do it smooth.
You sure? We can't work this out?
They tried to do it smooth. It's like when Spotify
said, hey, we made them an offer, but they gotta
go. I heard the sadness
even though they tried to be smooth about
not liking it. Well, it's a sad day when the office says
we're leaving. Yeah. That's a sad day.
For any executive. We was hyping up Disney Plus.
It's quiet.
What happened with that?
Well, with new stuff,
I wouldn't say it's quiet.
It's solid.
The Mandalorian is a hit.
Ah, niggas ain't running over there.
I ain't heard a peep about Disney Plus.
No, the Mandalorian is a hit.
I see a lot of people talking about that.
I haven't.
That's a hit.
And they have all the classic shit.
Different chatty rooms.
Rory, can you stop bringing that place up on this podcast?
Well, HBO Max gave us some dope shit already, like the last four months.
And the last 30 years.
But what I'm saying about Disney, the talk before Disney released was that it was coming to shut things down.
Nothing near a shutdown has happened no i don't care about whatever show that is that's winning i haven't
seen enough from them i don't know listen anytime we had to talk before we used to talk about the
staples that are here and just here to stay and my position was i don't know who's here to stay
because i think people are positioning for the next 10 years and there are a few people that man it's gonna be hard to budge them out that spot
when they get there HBO is one of them definitely Netflix has to be shitting bricks I would think so
I don't know what it's a real but it's got a play coming but it's a real arrogant position
no there's no play your plate that your plays are over we don't know that that's not
you can't say that y'all can't tell me what I can say.
You can't say Netflix play is over.
I can say whatever I want to say.
You have too much money up there.
But that's just not a smart thing to say.
I think them just acquiring other shows has been a bad strategy.
Netflix don't have no play?
You think they don't have no play coming?
I think that, like I said, however long ago that was we had this talk,
I think that, like I said, however long ago that was we had this talk,
I think that they have investors that lend them money to spend it on these movies, and I think that they have to continue to spend bigger and bigger to produce,
which could be difficult when you're not the only player in the field anymore.
It's my same point that I was making about Spotify.
Yes, Spotify is a staple. Everybody has it. only player in the field anymore it's my same point that i was making about spotify yes spotify
is a staple everybody has it but i don't know how much money they're making on the music so actually
i do but i won't say um damn what was i saying what was i saying what was netflix oh about spotify
yes their position is strong i don't think their position will continue to get strong when they have to spend a hundred million dollars for anything to work.
It's the same thing.
Netflix is in that position and they were they've been reporting on that since before Disney Plus came out.
Like, yo, I don't know how Netflix can keep up with this output because now we're in the game of these places have to have original content.
And Netflix has to make it, which is why i'm confused why they're not
reaching out to the well no they they just did the shonda um damn who just did the deal shonda
rhimes yeah shonda rhimes just did a big netflix deal like that's important they need to do a few
more of those uh isa ray well and uh did her netflix deal stuff i think would probably be a
strong more comedy stuff but that's the. That is going to be the niche.
I don't think Netflix is here to play the niche game.
I think they need more.
That's what I think.
It might be tough, though, because getting content,
now that all the big studios...
It belongs everywhere.
Yeah, now that NBC has their own shit in order.
It's why Rory can't play music on InstaLive now.
He used to give up the greatest jam sessions.
Can't do it now.
Know why?
Music don't belong to Instagram.
It don't belong to Rory.
Yeah.
It's happening all over.
But I think that
that is such
a label thing
of you're stepping over
a dollar
to make a penny
by shutting down
people promoting music
that you own.
100%.
Just because
it's on another app
or a third party app.
It's a really
short-sighted way
to look at things.
But yeah, I think,
I think that game that Netflix started,
I'm just trying to acquire really expensive series and shows is,
is not paying off.
Well,
we're all,
we're all those.
I don't know that they were all super expensive shows.
I could be wrong.
No,
no,
no,
no,
no.
Ozark was a,
was a grip.
Ozark is expensive.
The fucking,
well,
did they develop Ozark?
Or did they buy Ozark? Did they develop it or buy it? I don't know. The fucking... Well, did they develop Ozark? Or did they buy Ozark?
Did they develop it or buy it?
I don't know.
No, that changes things.
You just buying something that would have already been...
If you're buying The Office right now, it's an already established series.
Absolutely.
Ozark, I thought, was an original Netflix thing.
I thought so, too.
Sometimes Netflix catches a lick on that You show.
When everyone's like, yo, you know that was out four years ago and no one watched it.
I'm sure Netflix caught a really low price on that, and it caught because there was a community at Netflix.
Netflix has-
I just think they rely on that too much, and it doesn't always catch one.
How many of those You moments-
Not many at all.
Not very many.
They had a lot.
I don't think so.
There's been the cats, the dude killing the cats and the
Ozark
and
well that's why I was asking
Ozark
I don't know
I don't want to say that
was Ozark out
well before it was on Netflix
I don't believe so
yeah
that's what I'm saying
I think it was developed by
they've had some hit shows
that's what I keep saying
when I said where's Ozark
Mindhunter
and you said Netflix
tell me where Ozark
is originally
aired oh I'm sure a production company is it Netflix yeah a production company And you said Netflix. They definitely are. Tell me where Ozark is originally aired.
Oh, I'm sure a production company.
Is it Netflix?
Yeah, I think a production company put it together and then sold it to Netflix.
But it wasn't something that aired in the early 80s.
It aired originally on Netflix.
Netflix needs a move.
They do.
They do.
I'm with you on that, 100%.
That's where I am.
They need a couple moves.
They cannot continue to do what they're doing.
Oh, no.
I agree with you on that. And keep their same spot in the marketplace. They cannot continue to do what they're doing. Oh, no. I agree with you on that.
And keep their same spot in the marketplace.
They can't.
Especially if they can raise the price.
But you were just saying that they don't have a play.
Well, they raised the price because that was their past summer to play.
Right.
Raising the price.
They have their investors that they got to go to and present shit to.
And I don't think what they're presenting looks good.
Okay.
Not right now.
We don't know what they have in the cut.
Yeah.
And I don't think
it's looked good
for a little while.
It's been a cold
at least eight months.
If I had to guess
I would say they begged
Kevin Hart to walk
in his living room
and do something.
Probably.
I wouldn't be surprised
by that at all.
Yeah, I wouldn't be surprised
with that.
Yeah, of course.
But they should crush
the comedy thing
because that has been
kind of a home
for stand-up specials.
Yeah, I don't think
that's going to change much.
And HBO used to own that to be clear. And because I has been kind of a home for stand-up specials yeah i don't think that's and hbo used to own that to be clear and because i think a lot of comedians are so focused
on the community more than the money so it's like all right if if for example even hulu has a huge
community or amazon does as well as far as shows go sure but they're gonna go with where the comedy
crowd goes yeah and they'll take less money for it because in the long run, they'll make more.
Yeah.
Hulu is kind of more like a Spotify to me
in that it's mostly regurgitated content
from the networks.
They have a couple original shows.
Sometimes they're very good.
But for the most part,
it's just here's NBC's catalog
and here's whoever.
This is us set Hulu on fire.
Yeah.
But when the peacock comes through and crushes the building again, whoever this is us set Hulu on fire yeah but
when the peacock
comes through
and
crushes the building
again
it's gonna get sticky
for Hulu
yeah
they gotta show me that
they gotta show me
how sticky
it would get
for
listen
when you come
when you come through
with Friends
The Office
Seinfeld
This Is Us
and I'm sure
I'm forgetting
a handful of other massive, massive shows.
See, but for me, for me, yes, Peacock, NBC is going to kill
because y'all have the shows that kill.
But what it does to the rest of the marketplaces,
because I always say that each one of them only needed one of those.
Netflix only needed The Office.
Hulu maybe only needed a whatever that show, Friends. nbc is taking all of those out of the marketplace everybody's man for themselves
so what that does for the field is what i want to see i know what nbc is going to look like they're
not worried about anything hey give us our shit we're doing our own thing everybody else cool
but y'all still got to work out here so i want want to see what it looks like. I do. Me too. At what point do you think
companies like Verizon and
cable providers just give up
and focus on the phone and Wi-Fi
only? It's coming.
It's coming. It's been coming.
It's looking slow for other
people. No, it's slow for cable.
For sure. Traditional cable.
And this is all just going to end up costing us the same
amount as traditional cable. Because I was looking at all they have listed here, and I was adding it all up.
I was like, all right, yeah, I guess that's about cable if I buy all of these.
Yeah.
Close.
It's still a little cheaper.
But then if I get cable, then now I'm doubling what my bill would have been a month.
The nice thing that I hope that they don't change about this is that if there's,, for instance, power on stars,
I might not really watch
much else on stars.
So when that's off,
I can cancel the subscription
for a couple months,
pick it back up.
I'm the king of that.
Yeah, me too.
Just float in and out
when shit that I want to see
is there.
Yeah.
Which is nice.
You can't really do that
with cable.
Yeah, having that option
is just cool.
Like, I don't need this anymore.
I'm cool.
I'll come back to it
when something else is here.
YouTube TV, they got to be in some type of talks for some type of move, too.
Because them having the NBA finals, that was big.
They have the live TV thing.
I don't use it, but I'm surprised it hasn't caught on more.
I think that's where YouTube TV can kill the way we're talking about basic cable.
I like basic cable because I like to be able just to turn on a football game real quick right i'm one of those people that enjoys that part of cable i don't
need to find a link i don't need to do this shit like let me just turn on the game yeah
i think youtube tv can kill in that world yeah i pay for this let me just turn on the regular
basic shit that cable has always had yeah well. Well, then you have the antenna, too.
Not for nothing.
For all you cord cutters out there, you can get the NBC, CBS, all that shit just from
the air.
YouTube ain't going nowhere.
No.
Of course not.
That's not what we're suggesting at all.
They'll be there.
Yeah.
They're a staple here.
They're comfortable.
They've done enough.
They're very comfortable.
Yeah.
Trust and believe.
Yeah.
They damn near invented streaming.
Right.
Netflix needs more culture.
I agree.
Am I that guy now?
I mean, and if you are, that's okay.
It's okay to be that guy.
That's why I said they should lean into the stand-up thing.
I get frustrated on Netflix because stand-up,
you know how they look at categories when you pull up the app?
I don't ever get to stand-up and I watch
almost exclusively stand-up on Netflix and they don't
have a stand-up. That should be the highlighted
fucking thing. More marketing
to culture, less marketing to pedophiles.
Well,
that I won't disagree with.
I don't understand the reference.
That fucking show they put out with the little
girls doing the dance and then people came out
and said, hey, you're marketing the pedophiles.
And they just kept doing it. I didn't watch it either,
but I mean, it was definitely on my
view now.
I think I'm a jiggy that they do. Once I see teenagers,
I'm just clicking past.
I don't think they were teenagers. They were under teenagers for sure.
No, I was nasty. Even the title,
don't look up the title, but the title was nasty too.
That was just,
wasn't it?
All right.
What else we got?
What else we got?
Netflix,
more culture.
Yeah.
And just,
or good stuff.
Good things.
Anything good.
Yeah,
anything that'll just
keep us on the site.
All you companies
that kept putting out,
putting out your tweets
and your marketing plans about all these things you were going to do for black people in the black community a few months ago.
Where is it?
Netflix, in their defense, has put out a lot of...
I wasn't talking about Netflix.
They put out a lot of black content.
They have a whole category for it to swipe.
Not y'all caping for the whites.
I'm just saying that they've done a...
Well, I think they really care well I think I think they really
I think they really care
I don't think they really care
I don't know if they really care
I don't know
no I'm not talking about Netflix
I'm just talking about in general
alright what else
what else
what else
oh shit speaking of
I was on this podcast and said that
when everyone wanted to
put the
a black
just a black image
on their Instagram
for the day
and take the day off of work
I said alright
let me see y'all in a month.
Let me see y'all in two months. See y'all in three months.
I appreciated the
black square.
Come on.
People are
so full of shit, man.
Do y'all want to get into
Forbes'
30 under 30 list?
Oh wait, we got to congratulate Ian.
Let me round of applause
as soon as I find a round of applause.
Shout out to the guy, man.
Hold up, man.
This guy's in the club now.
This guy is in the club.
Engage, gang.
Your life is over, Ian.
Ian has engaged
to his longtime significant other.
And that's what I got.
Congratulations. That's what I got. Beautiful ring. My favorite people what I got. Congratulations.
That's what I got.
Beautiful ring.
My favorite people.
Beautiful couple.
Absolutely.
Yeah.
Really happy for those two lovebirds.
Congrats to them.
Congrats to them.
I got to stop by the love nest and check them out.
The love nest.
You got to stop by the nest?
Yeah.
Yeah.
Give them a hug.
See what's going on over there.
Yeah.
That'll buy you eight months of not arguing.
Just friends dropping by?
No, the ring.
Oh, yeah.
Come on, man.
You know you got that from my bag.
Just make it to the next year.
Congratulations to Ian.
Your life is over.
But we support you.
Well, no, that's not true. You still got another two years. your life is over but we support you no
well no that's not true
you still got another
two years
you bought yourself
some time
sort of though
you can push it to five
if you're some people
we won't say any names
you guys are really
bad at math
but
wait what did you say
huh
I know you guys
weren't talking about me
so it doesn't matter
I wasn't
I know
come on
oh come on, come on.
Me?
Come on, Rory.
I would never.
Me?
Come on, man.
Do you think we would ever talk about you that way?
No.
All right.
Forbes 30 under 30.
Presented by McAllen.
Little baby going to shoot one of y'all.
Oh, you say that?
Because he's got a gun.
And his hand won't seem to leave it.
Allegedly.
Allegedly, of course.
And if it's not, it's registered.
I love Little Baby.
Of course it is, Roy.
Come on.
Little Baby would never.
All right.
30 under 30.
What does this list mean?
Somebody tell me what's happening.
They have good PR.
Topping charts and shifting culture.
Oh, wait.
I thought Forbes only did money.
I really thought it was 30 under 30.
Well, if you're topping the charts and shifting culture, I'm pretty sure you're making money.
Now they're doing culture, Rory.
They're headed to money, Rory.
They're going to get it.
Wait, you think topping charts and shifting culture gets you money?
It'll get you on a 30 under 30.
No, it'll get your label some money.
Yeah, that's true.
Is there like a number order that this is in
Or were they just bigging everybody up
Alright let me see the names man
Roddy Rich
Yeah alright
Alright
Continue
Using my black brother
Using my black brother Roddy Rich
Brent Fayoz
Shout out to Brent shout out to brett
how about you name name the rest of i'm naming the scotch i'm no oh shit demarcus one
demarcus is not 25 years old i just want to make that clear
y'all are sick he belongs under the 40 Ellie Grange
Founder of 10K Projects
Ashley Graver
Code Engraved
Man
G Herbo
Lil Baby
Gibson Hazard
Lydia Leibman
Melanie Menendez
Ava Max
London on the Track
Cynthia Parkhurst
Man get this shit The fuck out of here, man.
Sweetie.
Sweetie.
I'm not under that.
Sweetie should be number one.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
For sure.
Selena Gomez.
All-star alumni.
Megan Thee Stallion.
Selena Gomez and Justin Lube Liner.
Wait.
I feel like Lube Liner should be my last name.
I'd be lining the loop.
When I come back to the rap game. Joey Lube Liner should be my last name. I'd be lining the lube. When I come back to the rap game.
Joey Lube Liner?
Joe Lube Liner.
If you're an alumni of the 30 under 30, are you over 30?
What is the alumni?
It was just there last year?
Yeah.
Okay.
All right.
Thoughts, gentlemen?
Congrats to all these people.
Yeah, but thoughts? Thank you for shifting the culture. Congrats, gentlemen? Congrats to all these people. Yeah, but thoughts?
Thank you for shifting the culture.
Congrats, but thoughts?
They shifted the culture.
Thanks, but thoughts?
I think Sweetie's awesome.
I don't really understand the context of just saying chart toppers and culture shifters.
We're safe on them.
I don't disagree with them.
Like, Gibson Hazard, for me, me was really the part of my culture.
Rory should have been on the top 30.
Dot Connectors under 30.
But I'm not under 30.
I'm 30.
Oh, 30 and under.
I would have made that list.
30 and under.
Best Dot Connectors.
You.
Mover and Shaker.
Yeah.
You shake.
Tastemaker. You help me get the keys
to that V.6
what happened when we got rich though
alright Forbes under 30
30 under 30
blah blah blah
alright
I don't care about this
congrats
I don't care about any of this stuff
no no
no no
I don't care
I'm here to talk to my friends.
Just more lists. What you doing tomorrow?
What's your weekend looking like?
Give a fuck about this shit.
Are you going to fire up the grill tomorrow?
Forbes will not be part of my weekend.
You're not going to read
Forbes this weekend? No, I won't.
Alright,
we got a spicy story here.
Didn't see Chance on that list.
Why not?
He's being sued.
Really?
By who?
His manager.
For what?
Because his manager thinks his album's trash.
You can't sue somebody because their album's trash.
According to Illinois, you can.
You're suing him because he album is trashed. According to Illinois, you can't. Me and
Sue and him because he took back the chance.
Can't give me a
chance to take it.
What is going on? Honestly, what happened?
Let's see.
I'm not reading this shit because I don't care.
Alright, I'll give you a breakdown.
Oh, yes.
Grab a snicker.
Took him a year to hear the album and now he has a breakdown. I didn't hear the album, but I Grab a snicker. Took him a year to hear the album,
and now he has a breakdown.
I didn't hear the album,
but I did read the lawsuit.
I read the litigation.
All right, get this shit over with.
No, so essentially his manager is suing him
because he announced his album
without speaking with his manager
and just put the album date out.
And his manager's like,
hey, I don't know if it's a good idea
because you have not recorded any music
and you're now putting us on a date.
You also have a wedding you need to do.
And I don't think the music will be up to par
if we stick to this date that you announced
without even talking to me about.
Can you hear Hot Shower?
No, he did not hear Hot Shower.
Wow.
So Chance stuck to the date, put it out.
It was Chance's commercially worst project.
His ticket sales suffered, and I believe it ruined, according to this manager, their careers.
So he is asking for $3 million.
They are as in they, as in them both.
Yes.
You got to relax.
So the manager asked for $3 million.
I guess that's a number of what he thinks they could have made had he listened to his management skills.
And go read it for yourself.
I just, I read.
Nah, I'm going to roll with what you said.
Yeah, it's fine.
Yeah, I'll just take your word for this one, buddy.
I'm going to read this literature.
That's pretty interesting.
I've never heard of something like this.
And I guess once-
You can't sue me because my album panned.
Yeah, I don't even understand.
But you didn't listen to me, though.
Oh, wait, because he fired him.
Oh, he fired him, too.
He fired him.
That's important.
No, he fired him after the album tanked, according to him, and he's now managed by his dad and his brother.
And his dad and his brother said,
all right, let's just settle this.
I'll give you $350,000.
And he said, no, I want $3 million,
and I want, I guess, whatever the industry standard is
when you do something like this
is three years of commission.
Hold on to that $350,000, buddy.
I'm not going to take it.
Yeah.
I'm going to wait and fight this one out.
So he was fired. Okay, I get it and fight this one out. So he was fired.
Okay, I get it now.
It makes more sense.
Wrongfully fired.
It wasn't his fault
that you didn't listen to him.
Who do you side with here, buddy?
Come on.
Come on.
I mean...
You know, I love
Park's sound effects.
Pause.
I mean, the album,
it wasn't my favorite album.
Okay, but what is it?
Yeah, but I don't think the manager was back there telling the truth.
That's a good point.
Well, he said, no, no, he was saying in there that, yeah, he was.
What was he supposed to say?
Saying, hey, Chance, you have a wedding you're about to do.
There's no time.
The manager's in the studio going, ooh.
Yeah, yeah.
Once you find that, he lost the lawsuit after that.
It's like, all right, alright fam you thought it was fire
I'm sorry buddy
yeah
the manager kept it
really really real
in the text
when he got the demos
I was about to say
there's probably text messages
where he's saying
Chance I don't think
this is enough time
for us to roll this album out
and you haven't recorded anything
and you have a wedding
you're planning
this doesn't seem like
the right time
to put your debut album out
are we back to that debut stuff again?
I just was trying to
That was a trigger point for you
That's why I said it
Okay
I was thinking the other day
How Chance
Was the nail in the coffin
For mixtapes
He put the nail in the coffin?
Coloring book was the end
Of the mixtape era
Officially
You don't think it was before that?
Well mixtape came out since then
Lil Wayne just put one out
Last week
To the goat You don't think it was before that? What mixtape came out since then? Lil Wayne just put one out last week.
Man to the goat.
Man.
One mixtape in the course of five years?
Man to the goat. No, streaming killed mixtape.
Man to the goat.
Not a chance.
You don't want to look at me.
Man to the goat.
You can't.
You can't.
He keeps talking about it.
Rory, what'd you say?
I'm trying to get him out of it.
No, no. Man to the goat. Did you listen to it? What? No. What? He was keep talking about Roy what you say I'm trying to get him out of there
The man to the goat
Did you listen to it
What
No
What
Joe said why he didn't listen to it
Yeah I don't listen to rap no more
No that's not what he said
That is what I said
That's not what you said
What I said
You said he wasn't off the fact
That he said racism isn't real
And I respect that Let me How much is not in my head isn't real. And I respect that.
How much is not in my head to that now?
Yeah, no, I respect it.
I get it.
I seen Loaded Lux talking about why Trump is the man, too.
It made me look at that whole black power round a little different.
Moving on.
Moving on.
You didn't fall for the clickbait on that one?
Just moving on.
He said, I'm not supporting Trump.
I just understand why he would be better right now.
Let me look up support.
Maybe I got the definition right.
Oh, Lux saying what I was saying?
Yeah.
Oh, okay.
All you Bronx and Harlem niggas are saying the same thing.
No, just all people that don't care about politics.
I made a bet with somebody yesterday That shall remain nameless
We bet a dollar
His bet is that
Trump is still the president
He's not leaving
I said I'll take that dollar
I'll get that dollar
He's up out of here
So we'll see
We'll see what happens
I hear he's pretty down about it though
Trump?
I don't know
Moving on
Man to the goat an emotionally stable person
did you listen to it i tried it's fucked up because wayne has really been rapping
no doubt he's rapping he don't sound bad on no ceilings three he's been rapping he doesn't sound
bad he does like no wayne is still Wayne. He's not the Wayne Wayne
that we love to death,
but yeah,
he sounded good on this.
This wasn't like
some horrible mixtape.
It was a good mixtape.
No, it wasn't horrible.
Not at all.
He rapping on it.
Not at all.
I don't listen to him rap.
It's cool.
I'm sure one person
listens.
Any R&B on here?
There's some singing.
Yeah,
there's some singing on there.
Any rhythm in bars?
He was on beat. If there's no rhythm in bars, then. No, there any rhythm in bars he was on beat if there's no rhythm in bars
then
no there's rhythm in bars
on here
yeah
for sure
well yeah
no I'm not gonna put that
on chance
that he ruined mixtapes
no I didn't say he ruined them
I'm just saying that
he was the end of the era
that album
a mixtape
can't get no higher
than going to like
quadruple million times
but that's cause it wasn't a mixtape.
No, no.
It was an album.
No, no.
It was an album.
He ushered in the mixtape album officially on the biggest level.
That's what I'm saying.
I'm not saying he killed mixtapes.
I think streaming.
I just think that he was the end of the mixtape.
That's the official.
Can't monetize something that's not yours.
While we were on our Netflix conversation,
I wanted to jump in and just hit the round of applause
and really shout out Triller
because they announced their boxing network
with Snoop Dogg, their collaboration.
Again, I think they did a phenomenal job
with the Tyson fight. I think they did a phenomenal job with the Tyson fight.
I think they have now found their lane in funding and distributing original content.
They seen that shit work.
And they have a lot of money, and I don't think they're going to stop and call me.
I will continue to pay $50 on a Saturday night to watch Snoop make jokes on people fighting.
No, this could be like the big three shit
that Ice Cube does, but boxing,
and just have Snoop commentate everything.
Get some old fighters in the ring.
Whatever they do, just don't put Nate Robinson
back in that ring.
What?
You have to do the rematch.
Please don't.
The rematch.
You have to do the rematch.
I don't want to see that one again.
No, please don't.
You're not watching that rematch?
No. Don't put Tyson and Roy back in there. I'm not watching that rematch. You have to do the rematch. I don't want to see that one again. No, please don't. You're not watching that rematch? No.
I'm watching that rematch.
I would take that fight if all my bones weren't aching or broken. What fight?
Inside of me.
Take what fight? Jake Paul?
Or Nate?
Either.
Yo, I love you black dudes
that are scared of Jake Paul now.
Y'all was impressed by some of them shots?
No, I'm just saying you.
Fucking wipe that nigga around in the bodega.
Okay.
Nate said the same.
That's exactly how Nate started this whole thing.
That's exactly how this thing started with Nate.
Sam, I'm not Nate.
I know you're not.
I know you're going to fall the same way you get in there with that white bitch.
Knock your ass right out, nigga.
And you're going to get up like my hands were so heavy.
Well, you know, I've never been knocked out.
But boxing is different though. Let me been knocked out. But boxing is different, though.
Let me tell you that.
Boxing is different.
You travel in some circles with niggas that have been knocked out publicly, and you still
dap them up.
Cool.
You're talking to a nigga that has never experienced that.
I'm just telling you something.
Boxing is different.
I'm just telling you something.
Boxing is different.
I'm just telling you something.
But boxing is different.
The battle for YouTube.
Yo.
Joe Biden versus Jake Paul. Save on.
Mark this because this is the clip they're going to
play right after Joe is
laying on the canvas. What I'm going to look like
on that creatine.
This clip is going to
haunt you. I'm going to beat the bricks off
of fucking Jake Paul. Just keep your
head up, please. Are you fucking kidding me?
That 26-year-old,
the way he go whoop your ass.
With his head down?
Yes.
I've seen the sparring footage, man.
He could hit.
He could hit.
Oh, you fell for the sparring footage?
You didn't see that shit?
Nate should have saw that
before he jumped in the ring.
He would have changed his mind.
Or maybe practiced.
Let me give you a legendary line
from one of the greatest movies ever made
Bloodsport
brick don't hit the back
nobody's ever looking his way when he's punching him
I know
hey more
brick don't hit the back hey Nate did it back ever looking his way when he's punching him. I know. Hey, more.
Break.
Don't.
Hit.
Box.
Hey,
Nate did it back.
I think it's so impressive,
Nate.
Look,
look,
look.
Look at this man.
Man,
yo.
Jake Paul,
send me your location,
man.
He beating the shit out of you. Send me your location.
All right,
go ahead,
man.
They all have their arms down
looking another way. Look at this do guys. Send me your location. All right, go ahead, man. They all have their arms down looking another way.
Look at this doof.
Yeah, I know.
Tell me when you've seen
proper footwork
from any of these guys.
I hear you.
Oh, my God.
Nah, he got it.
Come on, man.
Look at her.
Nah, he's not.
He knocking her.
Look at her.
Look at her.
Look.
Yo, when I take this fight,
I'm going to call my friends so we can stage a little knockout punch around.
Yo, you're not going to fall to the ground for me?
Get the fuck out of here. Oh, come on, man.
Watch your mind.
Ah, Parker.
I'll take it.
Come on, man.
You got to make me look like a killer.
Rory.
I'm going to hit you back.
Oh, come on, man.
Yeah, but you got to fall after I swing back. Just let me get a you back. Oh, come on, man. Yeah, but you got to fall
after I swing back.
Just let me get a few in.
Yeah, you can hit me.
And I'll play it to the...
Pow!
Rory, why are you doing this to me?
I'm going to act really badly.
I'm just going to let you know that.
Yo, please turn this video off.
Hey, Scream, man.
You can turn this video off.
You got to throw your arms like this.
Nigga's showing us anything but that mellow yellow now, boy, right?
Hey, screen man, you pulling these videos so fast as can be.
Where's that little young baddie you had on the screen, that mellow yellow?
Huh, mellow yellow left you on read?
I need to hear what the need to know boys conversation is like when they're trying to get into that groove.
The horny groove?
Yeah, you know the groove.
The horny groove.
Turn it up for a night.
You don't think they got rhythm?
Yeah.
I'm the guy now.
No, no, no.
Let me leave.
Go ahead.
I'm waiting.
I'm waiting.
I'm waiting for the guy.
No, because you won't share with me.
You don't share.
All right, I'll tell you what guy you are
okay
see they married
so we can't talk to them
okay
damn but you cooler than me
I just want to hear
what you guys say
I'm the guy
now
I look at the story
you'll be on
whatever trip you on
in front of a sign
and say yo
we in Vegas toasting it up
i'm like yo you in vegas yeah you out there in vegas
hold on are you are you suggesting that you'll go to vegas no no no no no no no no no no
this is the only place in the world that looks like this.
Yes, I'm in Vegas.
Like an idiot.
Like an idiot replying to the story that says, yo, I'm out here in Vegas tearing it up.
Yo, you out there right now?
Yeah.
Anything to get the conversation started.
Love the hard rock.
The creepy uncle.
The snowflake thing came and went.
Yeah.
It's not working anymore. Yeah, that didn't,
that wasn't gonna work.
Y'all should have told me.
He never made it
to Glacier status.
Y'all should have told me, man.
I'm still out there.
Nah, nah.
I'm still out there
dropping it off.
They ain't even
reading that shit.
Nah.
What else is going on?
What else is going on?
Let me see, let me see,
let me see, let me see,
let me see, let me see. HBO, see, let me see, let me see.
HBO, Chiller, Spotify stole their reels thing from some girl.
Jeremiah Speaks.
Jeremiah Speaks.
Why didn't we do that on the Chance thing?
Oh, yeah.
Chance reported that he spoke to Jeremiah.
That's great to hear.
For the first time on the phone.
That's awesome.
Super glad that Jeremiah is doing a lot better, that he's able to get on the phone,
and that it looks like he should be good sometime soon.
Yeah, I think he was saying that he was coming home yesterday, something like that.
Oh, great.
I'm happy he's recovering.
Yeah.
Yeah, absolutely.
Yeah, word.
Congratulations to Jeremiah, and that's awesome.
What else?
What else? What else? What else? What else?
What else?
What else?
What else?
Speaking of recovering,
I can't wait
until y'all watch me
knock somebody out,
man, honestly.
I think y'all,
I don't even know, man.
I don't even know.
No, I'm just saying,
please don't.
I just think that
when it happens,
y'all respect level
for me will increase.
Y'all will start having
versus battles
I could win.
Oh, somebody gave me one who
chameleon air that's tough though so when rotting dirty so when
but but all right
i don't want to sound like i'm i don't want to sound like i'm sitting on chameleon air because
i fuck with chameleon air but it's like, that ain't like the, there's some wind.
All right, cool.
Take that.
What is that saying?
Chameleon, I got an album, though.
I forgot which one it was.
That album was good.
Me and you.
No, I'm just saying.
I don't want you to be the guy.
I think that's just more of like some funny shit.
So I finally find somebody I'll win against.
You're like, what that say?
What that do?
No, that's just funny, though.
But I would see that.
I would watch that. She don't put it down coming on third.
I'm mad you put the set list together when you heard it.
That's what you play at third?
That's what you're giving them?
You think they ready for your third?
How you gonna intro that?
That's a point. That's gonna intro that that's a point that's a way
that's a point i'm gonna come back every week i will come think of somebody i could beat
until swiss and them introduce the new openers yeah i tried to sneak it in the last week Joe was like yeah nah you're opening he's like zone zone zone zone zone zone zone zone zone
yo he zoned me
he did
he act like
he ain't pumping up man
he gotta stop
zone zone
alright
tonight
we got a big fight
Danny Garcia
versus Earl Spence
Earl Spence Jr
I guess that prefix
is important
you think you can beat
either of them
no
I just wanted to figure out where your level was at with everything.
It's only y'all that be impressed by these big white boys.
I put these niggas down.
Not these two.
That's a little different, Rory.
Okay, just making sure.
What do you think you'll do with Jake Porter?
I didn't say I could beat up Jake Porter.
I'm asking.
I never said that.
You said that.
I know now.
I'm asking you what you think you'll do.
In the ring or in a street fight? Anywhere. That's enough. Change the thing. Anywhere. I went anywhere. I never said that. You said that. I know now. I'm asking you what you think you'll do. In the ring or like in a street fight?
Anywhere, nigga.
Anywhere. No changes there.
Anywhere.
I win anywhere.
Where you win?
Anywhere.
I could win in a street fight with him.
In the ring now.
What street?
Yeah, that's an important question.
What street?
Steinway.
Is it Calabasas Street?
Steinway.
Where we catch him on Steinway?
On Steinway?
I'm winning on Steinway.
That's home turf.
Yeah.
That's home turf.
These are the rivers and lakes I'm used to.
I'll be all right over here.
Does anybody have a boxing take for us?
I like Errol Spence in this fight.
I'm going with Mo.
I don't have the range for this.
Yeah, me either.
I like Errol Spence.
I'm not a boxing guy.
I'm a casual boxing fan.
Me too.
I've watched both of these gentlemen fight, but I'm not knowledgeable enough to.
I get all my boxing stuff from Royce, and I'm not going to call him right now.
Okay.
I like Spence. I just like the story.
I want him to win.
But Spence is coming back from injury?
Car crash, yeah.
Which wasn't too long ago at all.
Definitely going to be a tough fight for him.
I maybe would have took a tune-up too
yeah this ain't really the tune okay okay that should probably change things for me
i'm probably gonna go danny you want danny i like danny garcia like a year ago
without a warm-up fight without a just to get the joints back and fight Jake Paul I'm not
yet I'm not knowledgeable enough but if that doesn't change that doesn't change
you know anything for the Tyson fight numbers came back on what the Tyson
fight is that confirmed or you just freestyling did you do any research 1.5
million viewers that's a lot of dollars. At $50 a pop.
We might as well do away with boxing now.
We got one.
We got one with this one.
Snoop, come on back.
And that's just paid viewers.
A lot of people streamed that shit.
For sure.
But it was way more than 1.5 million people watching that.
Yeah.
That's amazing.
It is.
That's a bag bag.
What do you think their overhead was?
It cost.
They spent some money.
Paying everybody.
How does YouTube feel about this fight?
They might be trying to get the next one.
Yeah, it's certainly something that would...
That's a nice lane, though.
They found a nice little pocket trailer.
That's a nice little pocket.
I don't know if YouTube likes this.
They got to find something else.
They got to get some... No, we don't.
The YouTube don't. No, we can find this.
Pay for it. I'm just saying, Jake Paul's
a YouTube star.
True. And now we're watching
our YouTube star go and be a star
on another platform. It looks like he did a really
good job and they're probably investing in him.
Hey, man. Yeah, I think YouTube
will get something
with Jake Paul.
They're going to approach
him with the bag.
Oh, maybe so.
Yeah, do like the 24-7 shit
where you're leading up
to the fight.
Mm-hmm.
Yeah, I can see that.
There's room for a lot of that.
Yeah, BTS,
the little sparring shit
that we just watched.
I imagine Jake Paul's phone
to be off the hook
I imagine him to have
no shortage of business
coming his way
what about Nate
it's probably the end
it's probably the end of that
no Nate's phone has been
it's probably over
for that ball
his phone has been off the hook
I guarantee you that
you don't think they're going
for the rematch
you get knocked out like that
before a Tyson fight
no everybody saw that no I don't think they're going for the rematch? Yeah. You get knocked out like that before a Tyson fight? No.
No.
Everybody saw that.
No.
I don't think they're going for the rematch.
Did he find Spudway?
I think Muggsy Bogues is ready.
Yeah.
No, leave that alone.
All right, listen.
John Wall is in Houston.
No more singles.
Before we get to that, who won this trade and who has the better backcourt now I feel like there was kind of a wash um no well one
got a first round pick out the deal so I mean got the better John John is a
couple you John and James versus a bill andbrook, your favorite player.
Who has the better backcourt?
And I don't know that James is staying there, but right this second,
how does it look?
Houston.
I don't know yet.
Yeah, I don't know yet.
I got to see what John Wall looks like coming back.
Yeah, that's the question mark.
I got to see what John Wall looks like coming back.
He looks good in these pick-up games. I hope he comes back and looks like he did before he got hurt he looks great
in these pickup games um that's gotta suck like at one point john wall was the fastest player in
the league right yeah then you gotta rehab and come back from injury and now when you come back
i gotta look at all these fast ass 21 year olds that's in the league now like now i gotta deal
with deanne fox and who else is fast like there's some fast guys out there now yeah-olds that's in the league now. Like, now I got to deal with De'Aaron Fox and who else is fast?
Like, there's some fast guys out there now.
Yeah.
I think that's part of the case with Westbrook, too.
What?
Like, when you're used to just being the fastest guy out there
and having the most athletic ability, and then as you age,
you have to deal with these other guys.
I compare it to, like, kind of like when you're a rapper
and you had your run of you was that shit,
and now you got to watch the younger dudes come up and do things y'all didn't do or invent that
you have to watch it and sustain and still be great while they're doing that i imagine that to
be a tough spot for both john wall and russell westbrook to be in as veterans and elder statesmen
yeah uh russell is obviously still one of the most elite guards in the league.
I think that him playing in this, you know, it's a noose.
First of all, he's in the Eastern Conference now.
I like him and Bradley Bill together.
Cade Cunningham.
Who?
None.
But yeah, it's just, I don't know.
You got to see how they look. You know, chemistry.
If Russ is going to play with a change of pace,
or is he going to just keep going 100 miles an hour?
It's just a lot of things that, you know, is in question.
How is John going to look coming off the injury?
If you got a girl in Houston, you share her now.
I was wondering if it was going to get to the shits.
That's really just the bottom line.
If you thought the lines Were long as turkey leg
Hut before
Think again
Even longer now
If you thought that
Your little bit of money
In V Live
Was gonna do the trick
Guess what
It's over for that balling
You can stay home now
Nah
Camp looks a little
Different now
I don't think the league
Has ever seen
A backcourt
Off the court
Like this
No They never This is the best off the
court back court you have ever seen in the league trust you me so now here's my hot take undebatable
here's my hot take and i've been right on this hot take each time i've said it i said that well
no i said chris paul and j Harden would fight and they fought they did
you don't have to
debate me on it
Russell Westbrook
I didn't see a fight there
but I don't really
remember if I said one
I got John Wall
and James Harden
bumping heads
over a girl
at some point
I can say it I guess
I'm not mad at that
I also have
Russell Westbrook
and Bradley Beal
bumping heads
at some point too
did you have
KD and Kyrie no Iok and Bradley Bill bumping heads at some point, too. Did you have KD and Kyrie?
No.
I didn't have them bumping heads.
But like I said, told you all a few podcasts ago, I do think that with how things are going in an organization in terms of power structure during the season, we'll hear a tiff.
We'll hear a tiff.
But Kyrie loves KD too much for that to be ever overblown
bradley bill always wants to fight somebody like i see it russell westbrook is another one always
wants to fight somebody john wall and james hard and i just could see i just could see it we'll
see how it plays out we'll see how it plays out yeah what's up your man lebron 85 million two
years what'd you think underpaid big bags Big bags. Underpaid. Sure, underpaid.
But I understand it.
For his guy, he had to take a little less.
And I like the two-year thing that LeBron has been doing.
Anthony Davis, five years, $185 million?
$65 million, something like that?
$190.
Big bags.
Worth every penny.
Big bags.
Lakers, Lakers, overwhelming favorite, or do you have 35 wins again?
No, they're the favorite, obviously.
To win it all?
Yeah, obviously.
Nobody beating them four times, right?
Here's the thing.
Anthony Davis has to stay healthy. Oh, brand new podcast, Joe Bud Network.
Here's the thing.
No, he has to.
That's not even named a podcast.
He has to.
Good plug.
Because if Anthony Davis gets hurt the rest of that
roster is you know
still pretty good
yeah but if he gets hurt
I don't want to put that out there I'm just saying
if the best player on any team gets hurt
here's my question for you guys
to answer politically correct
if you see fit
do you like what Paul George
is doing just trashing Doc
Rivers every chance he gets?
No, I don't like when players do that anyway, though.
Got it.
Because you were out there. You were on the floor. The coach
wasn't shooting. He wasn't...
The more details that come out in that Clippers
locker room, it's nasty.
Paul George did
Matt Barnes and Steven Jackson's podcast,
and that clip is everywhere, man.
Shout-out to them for starting their new season out with a bang.
Shout-out to Matt.
Shout-out to Staff Jack.
Big bang.
The niggas I expect to provide bangs, they be providing the bang.
Pause.
But, yeah, Paul George is shitting on Doc Rivers.
He's shitting on whatever the plan was.
But they say that Paul George and Kawhi was the only two that had personal
trainers and personal security guards.
So if I'm on the team and you come through with your
personal security guard, I'm going to have a fit.
But that's every
main player, big star in the league
though. James Harden
has personal security. LeBron has personal
security.
I think Kawhi is not going to have personal
security. I do. I'm talking about Paul George, Pandemic Paul.
I mean, I can see Paul having security, too.
He's a franchise player.
No, I'm not saying that he shouldn't.
I'm saying if I'm another player, when Paul comes in,
when Kawhi comes in with security, that's a little.
When Paul comes in with his security.
You feel a way.
A little side eye.
A little side eye. But they're going to be good to him. Paul, say with his security. You feel a way. A little side eye. A little side eye.
But they're going to be good to him.
Paul say, how you doing?
I'm trying to get like you.
That's some hating shit.
I'm just trying to get like you.
You doing it.
That's hating shit.
It's not me.
It's you.
How you doing?
I don't know.
You got him.
Trying to get on your level.
Yeah.
What is this here?
Leonard and George were the only players to have their own personal security guard and trainers.
Leonard and George had power over the team's practice and travel schedule.
Travel?
Come on, man.
Leading teammates to believe Leonard canceled multiple practices.
Leonard was allowed to live in San Diego and commute from there, which often made him late for team flights.
Leonard and George typically didn't speak to the media until at least 45 minutes after games concluded.
Under the guise of post-game treatment or workouts,
this usually resulted
in their teammates
speaking with the media first
and for longer,
essentially becoming
the public voices of the team.
Teammates also believed
that Leonard and George
were able to pick and choose
when they played.
Not only did they sit out
games entirely,
but also at times
they accepted or declined
playing time.
Declining playing time
is hilarious.
Yeah, I'm cool.
Like, nah, I don't want to play.
PG, we need you.
Get an ant.
You know what? I'm going to show you right here. Yeah, cool. You guard him. You used. Yeah, I'm cool. Like, nah, I don't want to talk about that. PG, we need you. Get an ant. You know what?
I'm going to chill right here.
Yeah, I'm cool.
You guard him.
You used to play, right?
Yeah.
Huh?
Yeah, I'm cool.
Where's Austin Rivers now?
Yeah, no, I'm cool.
On the Knicks.
On the Knicks.
Know what song I hear in a while?
We are the New York Knicks.
They don't even sing that shit no more.
All right, I believe that's everything.
I don't have anything else on my list to get to that is important and relevant and impactful to the culture.
Do you have anything, Rory?
Maul, do you have anything?
Parks, Parks?
E-Rap?
Anybody?
You guys going to move in Houston a little different now?
No.
Yeah, me neither.
Not at all.
I saw a meme.
Somebody said, you're going an argument With your girl from Houston
Next thing you know
She at J Prince Jr. house
With unlimited 1942
Screaming mob ties
It's over
At that point
You just gotta like
You know
Yeah you just gotta
Get that one up
Yeah just hang it up
Can't even hit her
Cause you don't want
The mob ties
Oh shit
She might implicate me
Yeah it's over with man
I'm finito
let's see
let's see
let's see
let's see
let's see
do do do do do
no no no
I give him a
J appreciation
why not man
yes sir Yes, sir.
Happy home day still.
Which do I pick?
Wait a minute. Or extensions of your mind Or you have any more thoughts you want
In your dreams you'll find
In your dreams you'll find
Every flame meets
The truest kind of
Ring
They'll fulfill
Your wildest fantasies
And it never
Has to end
In a generic
Playmates
You can always win
In a generic
Playmates, you can always win Playmates, never hurt Wearing that platinum shit, we know y'all chicks started with silver and shit I got a good idea to find the end of this shit, man
Bottom line
Let me show y'all how to do it, check
Yo, I spit that other shit, that's a nice motherfucker shit
Fat time, follow me around, do you cover shit, nigga?
You bid money, I'm all year money
I'm poppin', you ain't gotta count it, it's all live money
I never change money, cause niggas got strange money
Knocked up, mocked up, fucked up in the game money
I got bail money, double Excel money
You got flash now, but time will reveal money
I spit the hottest shit, you need it, I got it shit
That downside master P, bout it, bout it shit
I got blood money, straight up thug money
That brown paper bag under your mat, just drug money
You got show dough, little to no dough Sell a bunch of records and you still Odo
I got 996 plus 4 Modo You crazy, you fugazi, I'm loco niggas fan, run up on you in the street and spit you, rap in Philip Brown, like niggas do before rapping and shit, you ain't got nothing to do with that, you don't see my face see em in the street I don't see none of that Damn Playboy, the fuck is the hummer at?
Where's all the ice with all the platinum under that?
Those ain't Rolex diamonds, what the fuck you done to that?
Got rappin' ass thinkers, y'all funny to me You sellin' records bein' you but still you wanna be me
I guess for every buck you make it's like a hundred for me
And still you runnin' around thinkin' you got somethin' on me
But I done did it, and y'all wanna take my flow
And run with it, that's cool, I was the first one with it
Original, jig is the future flow
Digital, still bustin' the gap when shit gets critical
Sit it down, I don't want y'all to get it confused
I rip it down, that guy can't know what to hope for I gotta know shit
Watch this y'all
Watch this y'all
Check out
Watch this y'all
Watch this y'all
Watch this y'all
Watch this y'all
Watch this y'all
Watch this y'all Watch this I'm like that, y'all
Yeah, I'm just like y'all
As a youngin' dummy, gun in the waist
So cracked to those who couldn't take the pain
And had to numb it with bass
Couldn't drink the Henny straight, I needed something to chase
Nowadays I throw shots back, leavin' nothin' to waste
Life's like a treadmill, niggas runnin' in place
Gettin' nowhere fast, a whole year done passed
I vowed to never stop winnin'
Till the earth stopped spinning, rock hot linen
Cop hot cars and hot women
If it's not him, then you gotta confuse
Y'all not remembering, my motto is
Simply, I will not lose, abide by the block rules
I buy my Glock Fuse with bodies on it
Let me know anybody want it, I'm raised
Irrational, please, misunderstood
If you ain't live like I live, then run with the hood
I've done what I could to come up with this paper to this day still
Run with the hood, guess it's part of my nature If hell awaits us, nigga, I'm coming with the razors
Still flashy as shit, try to pass me in the sixth
Type classy on the rest, every bit of dirty carrots
This is not a game, this is not where I came
Made these words find a spot on your brain and burn
Then I recycle my life, I shall return
Ha, tight as your throat Cause I'm like that, yo ha, tight as your throat, cause I'm like that yo
ha, bite as your throat, cause I'm like that yo
ha, wide as your throat, cause I'm like that yo
only bite that you know, cause I'm like that
ha, tight as your throat, just like that yo
ha, bite as your throat, just like that uh
ha, wide as your throat, cause I'm like that yo
only bite as your throat, watch this yo
I'mma hop, skip and jump from gripping the pump Watch this, watch this, yo
I'm a hot skip in the jump from gripping a pump
Spitting a couple of curse words and hitting your chump
Shit, I get digits and lumps, I'm a motherfucking problem
Is this what you want, or a retriever?
I love chicks that puff chiva and reefer paper
I hate the ones that blow up your beaver
Cause I go in the diva, I only phone divas
Impregnate the world when I come through your
speakers Fuck hot, my records got the fever
Niggas kick dirt, get your whole block sweeped up
I creep up when the beef eats up According with his feet up and shoes off
About to snooze off, hatin' Cause you can't turn the booze off
You dudes is too soft, why I don't fuck with you all
I might buff your ex or spit at the lights But other than that, I don't be fucking with cats
Just me tying beehive, dug it like that
E-Dame and Biggs, what's fucking with that?
Y'all can never this jigger, get nothing for that
Other than a couple of slugs in your back
Rappers, y'all running around like I won't gun you down
Last nigga to front and two shots, fun him around, Lord
Except it's offering us something for your ground
I meant no malice, I just met his challenge
And won
Cause I'm like that, yo
Just like that, yo
Oh, if it's like that, kick a pre
Buy him two
Alright
Let's do this one
I keep going if you want
I'm sure he's good
Keep believing shit go wrong So I think I'm sure he's good This is I did it my way
No the real hood
Not the rap hood
The real hood
My friends I'll say it clear
Pair of sneakers
My mom's busted ass
I'm going to Japan tomorrow
You understand what I'm saying
Can you believe that
There are people waiting at the airport like 5 days Like I'm certain I lived a life that's full
That's real tall
And I traveled each and every highway
And the more
Much more than this
I didn't mind
Let's try this one
Uh, yeah Gangsta nigga I did it my way Let's try this one
Uh, yeah
Gangsta nigga, put my hustle down
Tore the game up, nigga
Took your high score down
Put my name up, nigga
Tore the doors down to the Hall of Fame
It's jigger, I did it my way
Much more than that
That's right
It's a beautiful thing, man
I did it my way
I did it my way
Hovi, baby
Mamas younger than stronger, survive summers like saunas
Master the corner like Dion in his uniform
Pop hurt and deserted, flirted with them, damn them murdered
Before my first album hit the shelf
Grandma's favorite, she cannot understand how there's
People in the world who wouldn't want me as a neighbor
Had to explain to her, you think these folks want me in the penthouse as a reminder that I make top paper
Black entrepreneur, nobody did us no favors, nobody gave us shit
We made us, the Rat Pack, I'm Sinatra, Dame Sam Davis
Big to smart, one on the low like Dean Martin
We came in this game not begging niggas pardon
Demanding y'all respect, hand over a check
And while y'all at it, hand over the jet
We the reason they ain't hand Def Jam over so quick
They knew every year I was dropping new product
I was raising the stock up, while building the rock up
But that's alright cause they knew they had to see us
When it was time for us to re-up, make us multi-millionaires
I didn't want much more than this
I didn't want
In my lifetime, I caught smaller cases
But I had capital, hypocritic system let me right back at you
You better hope a rich rapper never attacks you
Not even that scratches you, especially if you black dude
They don't give a shit unless the accused just happen to rap
And they can look good by painting him as bad news
Since my past I seen dudes get half of they views
Exposed to the curb and nobody said a word
So imagine how disturbed I was
When I seen how big they made my fight scene at the club
Let me explain exactly how this shit was
Snigger, un-yo, I scratched him
He went home without an aspirin
But it's cool cause we back friends
It happened and it's over
It's in the past and I'm glad
Now I'm back to being over
Made back with a chauffeur
Lay back, helicopter seat
Feet inclined, shit feeling like a sofa
Helicopter meet me, T to barrel, take me over
Somewhere peaceful for the weekend, I was back there
Speaking of vultures
So the next time that page six approaches us
Here's a quote from Jay, nigga, I did it my way
Much more than this
I did it my way
Alright, what we got, Parks? I'm alive The Imperial Skateboard P It's alive, it's alive, it's alive
It's alive, it's alive, it's alive
It's alive, it's alive, it's alive
Come on!
Yeah, so what if you flip a couple words
I could triple that in birds
Open your mind, you see the circus in the sky
I'm wrangling brothers, Barnum and Bailey with the pies
No matter how you slice it, I'm your motherfucking guy
Just like a b-boy with 360 waves, do the same with the pot
Still come back beige, whether right or southpaw
Whether pot or jar, whip it around
It still comes back hard, so easily do our W-H-I-P
My repetition with wrist is to bring the kilo business
I got CREO, CO bitches
From my niggas who slipped became prisoners
Treats taped to the visitors
You already know what the business is
Unnecessary commissary, boy we lit as shit
Niggas wanna bring the 80's back
It's okay with me, that's where they made me at
Except I don't write no war
I write my name in the history books
Hustlin' in the hall
Nah, I don't spend on my head
I spend my work in the war I write my name in the history books Hustlin' in the hall Nah, I don't spend on my head
I spend my work in the pot so I can spend my bread
And I'm getting it, I'm getting it I ain't talking about it, I'm livin' it
I'm getting it, straight getting it Get it boy Can you waste your time fighting the lies?
State your course and you'll understand
It's 87, state of mind that I'm in
In my prime, so for that time I'm Rakim
If it wasn't for the crime that I was in
But I wouldn't be the guy who rhymes it is that I'm in
No pain, no profit P.I. repeat if
you show me where the pot is. Cherry M3s with the top back. Red and green Gs on my hat. North
East leathers. Matching Gucci sweater. Gucci sneaks on to keep my outfit together. Whatever.
100 foot of diamond chain. Can't you tell that I came from the dope game
Blame Reagan for making me into a monster
Blame Oliver North and I ran Contra
I ran Contra band and they sponsored
Before this rhyming stuff, we was in concert
And I'm getting it, I'm getting it
I ain't talking about it, I'm living it
I'm getting it, straight getting it Get it, get it, get livin' it I'm gettin' it straight to the end get it
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get it get it get it get it get it get it get it get it get it get it get it get it get it get it get it get it get it get it get it get it get it get it get it get it get it, I love that song. I love Jay-Z, Peter Farrell, off American Gangster.
I love that song.
Yeah, that song is amazing.
Those time rolls are insane.
Shout out to Farrell and Hope Connection.
And that album aged incredibly.
Yeah.
Come on.
And I aged incredibly.
Botox.
My Botox was good.
It does.
It does.
And your teeps.
I'm surprised we didn't coffee stain them things up yet. No, not yet. And the teeps. I'm surprised we didn't coffee stain them things up yet.
No, not yet.
And the teeps.
The cigs and coffee are going to do it.
I'll break them shits in.
Oh, man.
You guys.
I'll be crushing the building.
Eyes on the socks.
What did you say, Ross?
Might as well let this whole shit rock.
Mic check, mic check.
Mic, mic, mic check.
Thank you for another amazing episode.
Y'all know what time it is.
Oh, no.
Like 76 floors you can call.
Nah, they're never going to be out whatever alright 97
nah they're never going to make me miss this
yo keep us in your prayers
keep us in your prayers
Lord knows we need to be there
until the next time I bid you adieu
hasta la vista
adios so long
goodbye
farewell
all of that good shit
remember life is a series of moments
and moments pass
so let's make this one last
as if it's
all we have.
With that said, say when.
Say when.
Let's go Lipo flex.
Let's go.
We just couldn't get that second round of Lipo.
Let's go.
No, no.
This is all like men's IG captions.
Look at what he gave us.
Man. like men's IG captions. He's close. I'm posing when they got me fighting.
Man.
Yo!
They gone goodnight you wit.
That's only half if they like you.
That ain't even a half what they
might do. Don't believe me
ask Michael. See Martin
see Malcolm. You see Biggie
see Poxy see success in his outcome
See Jesus, see Judas, see Caesar, see Brutus
Suicide is a suicide
If you succeed, prepare to be crucified
Media medals, they can sue you, you settled
Y'all hold it down out there, if you a rapper, please be safe
Please stay alive
Please plan to be here for the next five years We got work to do, honestly though If you're a rapper, please be safe So it's tough being Bobby Brown Please stay alive If you gotta be Bobby now
Please plan to be here for the next five years
We got work to do, honestly, though
Man
Man
Turn up for me
I-97, you heard?
You know what it is, fuck, let's Jay-Z
Casanova, G-Herval, we still with y'all
Everybody wanna be the king
The shots ring, you laying in the balcony
With hoes in your dream.
On your mouth, Mexico.
Outside of his greatness, like this just casual cadence.
Everybody wanted to be him.
Like he just on the couch, tempered at something.
Man, everybody want to be Hovans.
Like he's scratching his head. Just talk. Get distracted by screams. the couch tempered it something everybody want to be home I swear to God
that's the stuff I want to know Elliot Elliot didn't ask. Elliot and B.Dot didn't ask.
If the uh and the flex freestyle.
Uh, like you worked this one.
Yeah.
Game stayed the same.
Yes, sir.
The name changes.
So it's best for those that not overdose on being famous.
Most kings get driven so insane that they try to hit the same vein that Kurt Cobain did.
Talk to Rory.
So James was invited to the inter-syncthom.
Why does this thing work with me?
Insane, insane.
Why is that one?
Insane, insane.
Insane.
Insane.
Insane.
Hold on.
Hold on.
They want the old ho, but the new improved ho.
Hit like Alvin Pujols.
Hey, bro.
What year was this?
You wasn't there?
No, I was in high school so probably...
Oh then forget it then.
Then you're not in Rockabella.
I was like 05 or 06.
06.
What do I make of that?
You was Murder, Inc.
Damn.
You wanna hear me talk that money like Pura Zoodo, but my mind is on Pluto.
Rory said let it play so I'm letting it play.
Sorry YouTubers!
Some loopholes in the IRS, that's what I used to have a few hoes.
I am just concentrating on making a new hole.
Have a wake in just the time to school those trying to follow my shoes with you.
Bros better. We're here to this text where you go broke spending more than you recruit on silly.
But yes, I know silly, but get silly and learning your own. At least my conscience is clear.
I'm no longer staying. You wrong. You're not wrong. But guess after you get a home, take care of your home.
longer staying you wrong you're not wrong with the guests after you get a home take care of your home you can go back i'm getting caught that's him telling y'all long ago to get off those money
phones you broke peasants gotta be more than the courses they respect what am i now
service testimony that i saw it all before it
Came to fruition
Sort of a premonition
Uncontrollable hustlers ambition
Earlier superstition
Like Stevie
The writings on the wall
Like my lady
Right Bebe
Saw it all before
Some of y'all thought I was crazy
Maybe like a fox in cagey
The more successful
The more stressful
The more and more I transform
The golden gecko In a race to a billion Got my face to the more and more I transform the God
gecko in a race to a billion got my face to the ceiling got my knees on the floor
please love forgive him has he lost his religion is the Greek on get him he's
having heaven on earth with his wings I got the forms on my living room floor
and I'm so glad I want more times most influential what's impressive especially
since I wasn't in the artist section
Had me with the Builders and the Titans
Had me right with Rudy Murdoch
Billionaire boys, it's the dudes you never heard of
Word up on Madison Avenue, I'm a cash cow
Work down a Wall Street home when you get the cash out
IPO hold, no need for reverse merger
The boy money talk, no need to converse
See, this is the verse they need from me
This is the verse they need from me
Not rappity-rappler The mergers, this is the end of need from me. This is the verse they need from me. Not rappity rap lyric
Oh the merchant is dead, the money is left to live
This is where we are
The baby blew mad back like our own Gerber
War room I'm lifting your skirt up
The carpet take me
No landmarks when I make the call just hit space bar don't do that
Hold up hold up hold up
All you gotta do is hit space bar when the call come in
True
You know what it is hot 97
Full flex and Jay Z Where you going then? space bar when the call come in true you know what it is 97.4 jc
it hurts me to my heart baby
when i'm in hovey's home baby