The Joe Budden Podcast - Episode 461 | "It's STFU Week"

Episode Date: August 7, 2021

Hip Hop had an amazing week and was nothing short of iconic! Joe's passion for Hip Hop is on full display this episode  as he ensured that every possible aspect of the LOX and Dipset Verzuz battle wa...s dissected (15:00). The crew gives the LOX their flowers while also discussing some of the ways that Dipset could have improved their chances to win the crowd's support (40:00). Kanye West had another virtual listening party for his upcoming album (1:37:00), and Nas drops "King Disease II" (1:42:30) and brings Lauryn Hill from retirement, which inspires the crew to give her verse a lyric breakdown and MORE!   Become a Patron of the The Joe Budden Podcast for additional bonus episodes and visual content for all things JBP: Tap in here www.patreon.com/JoeBudden Sleeper Picks Joe | Victoria Monét - “Coastin”    Ice | Jadakiss - “ME”   Parks | The Diplomats - “Who I Am”    Ish | Mona Lisa - “Just Want To  Please You” (Ft. The Lox)

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Starting point is 00:00:00 uh maybe yes joe this is joseph anthony budden jr looking for dj drama this is a live call don't say anything incriminating but you were the first person that i was gonna call let me just lick a gunshot how you doing how's your family how's your parents how's work great awesome now do you have anything that you want to say to me yonkers uh the audience just do you have anything that you feel you might want to say to me i mean it depends if they heard the last episode that i was on or not if they didn didn't hear the last episode, I just want to say that I love hip-hop. If they did hear the last episode, to Yonkers, to Joe Budden and the Joe Budden podcast, I would like to apologize for feeling like Dipset was just going to smoke the locks.
Starting point is 00:01:00 I was so wrong. Oh, I was so wrong. But I'm not one that hates to be wrong. You know, wrong is wrong and i was happy to see the locks really stand up for the culture and show the difference in you know being cool and caring and really being on taking one for the craft and put on a master class like they did so with all due respect style chic jada and Joe Button, I was wrong. No, no, no, no, no, no.
Starting point is 00:01:28 That was amazing. No, no, no, no, no, no. Listen to this. Nah, fuck all that. That's totally unacceptable. Everything that you just said is totally, totally unacceptable. Listen, I don't know what the audience has heard because I love you, and I did not expose our behind-the- but this is a hindsight talk so I'm here to talk hindsight and behind the scenes I'll come come clean I said the locks were gonna smoke these niggas boots right I said that
Starting point is 00:01:59 so this is my issue with what you're saying you are are... No, no, no, no, no, no. Hold on. Let me finish. You are a billboard... I just seen what Billboard said about you. Y'all niggas is the top 20 niggas. You and your niggas. Billboard said that you are the top exec. You're one of the greatest DJs we got. You still running around. You signing the hot niggas.
Starting point is 00:02:24 You're doing the work you out here out here it's important for niggas like you to know that the locks is the locks let's put it in perspective though with all that being said you're absolutely right here here's the difference right if it was a year ago and the world was in the state that it was in and that versus wouldn't be the million-dollar business that it is now, and let's say they would have been in their individual homes, in a sense, or we would have all been watching on Instagram, there would have been no live performance, the Dipset Records would have rang off a little differently. And let's say their performances wouldn't have been what they were. a little differently and let's say their performances wouldn't have been what they were it would have been a different contest because the reason why a lot of people felt that dip set was
Starting point is 00:03:09 going to win was because of the effects that they had on culture right but after we saw what we saw wednesday night was regardless of what happened in culture and what's cool and how things changed and how many chains you can put on again the locks the Lox put on a masterclass because it was in Madison Square Garden. There was a crowd. There was a performance. And I heard Sheik say when he was talking to Diddy, like, yo, Diddy said to him, like, yo, perform your freestyles. They're going to outdo their records.
Starting point is 00:03:35 And like Jada was saying, like, yo, we in New York, y'all. Like, they're rapping over the songs. Like, just the fact of how much the Lox cared about and how they put on their show. And the fact that there was a live crowd you i could i was i was in atlanta in my crib my girl was telling me i was fangirling out because i was standing in front of the television watching it because you could feel the energy so you could feel it yeah everybody was from what they was doing so that that's also a difference that's how you know i'm not saying i'm not saying just say what a one if it was
Starting point is 00:04:02 different but the one of the what they were they weren't able to show what the difference is when you care and when you really do this compared to just coming up there looking like that. So basically, that was the long-winded way of saying that if they were in RZA's living room and if Boyz II Men was there battling Jodeci and if Quincy Jones was facetiming then it would have went different probably right basically yeah but at the end of the i mean yeah but you know listen man i mean it was one it was the best versus battle because that's all that all the all the fun congratulatory shit like you know we're all here for the culture and and celebrating that's good we all love that but what do you come from the cloth that i come from that you come from they come yeah that's what we want to see you feel what i'm saying and niggas talk crazy to each other telling each other you you don't do what i do like that's what we want to see like
Starting point is 00:05:01 yeah there's no there's no like that's what that's what we come from so that was the best representation i'd say more than gz gucci gz gucci was second to me to that one that's number one like hands down and kisses the mvp and you know for real for real joe i should have i should have rethought myself better when i was naming all the songs after his first so you should have rethought yourself when I was naming all of the different songs that the Lox and Jadakiss would play. I didn't even count the freestyles. I didn't even count those.
Starting point is 00:05:33 You didn't count the freestyles. I was going through shit that they didn't even like, and I don't even know if it would have rang off the same, but, you know, even some Swizz and Kiss shit, he didn't do his real, like, you know,
Starting point is 00:05:44 he was, he was, he hit him with a fucking freestyle off of Champ is Here 3 and Murder Dick is like, what are we talking about? Like, again, but you was right. I was totally wrong. I admit to it. I just love to hear that I was right.
Starting point is 00:05:58 That's all. That's all that this call is for. He was right, Joe. That's my man. Now, you're wrong about, now, I don't know if you noticed but your man dj clue was getting a little excited because it was a it was a celebratory new york city event he was a cop even in the comments talking a lot of shit and i told him no don't get
Starting point is 00:06:16 froggy now because new york's having a moment like i'll still bust your ass so you're wrong about that i just want to put that out there clue if you're listening but listen i've been calling you out for six months don't get froggy because y'all was in madison square garden drama ready drama drama that's what you said about dip set so that's cool listen to this though you still feel like that about yourself versus clue even after what you saw like when those freestyles when those freestyles when those freestyles are becoming impactful like that like that makes Clue a whole different monster nah I ain't gonna front like I told Clue I said yo the fact that Get At Me Dog and the Benjamins were both freestyles off your tape is fire you know I'm saying and those are records like
Starting point is 00:07:01 respectfully I'll give him I still at the end of the day, again, I'm going to put on a masterclass regardless of who I go against. You know what I'm saying? So yeah, I'm ready for it, but it makes it more, it makes it more of a, it makes it more of a formidable opponent. And I love that. You know what I'm saying? Because again, like, you know, he comes from that culture and those records definitely ring off. So I'm here for it. All right. I'm going to continue to try and instigate that.
Starting point is 00:07:26 Please do. But yeah, Joe, I apologize. records definitely ring off so i'm here for it all right i'm gonna continue to try and instigate that please do but yeah joe i apologize round of applause for the amazing dj drama let me let him get back to his day enjoy yourself john we love you love y'all now last time i tried to do this it was a lot of background noise. And I didn't like that. Y'all let me get a whole dip set intro off. Y'all didn't say a word. When I tried to get into my locks bag, it was resistance. So this week, everybody shut the fuck up.
Starting point is 00:08:00 All the young niggas, if you listen out there, you see me in the street on my scooter Just shut the fuck up Back to reality, my mentality is fatality Niggas make it way over there, let's go then Way out, like a 50 state layout Dogs being up in one city to have it spray out Cartels bringing they coke, having the way out King pins his crown, guns his leg Your style's new to this, so a sale ain't shit
Starting point is 00:08:23 Jail ain't shit, God will just teach me quick People be in a cell and my ghost will drip Hold my inf, I feel myself in the heat I used to have bad luck Now you might see me in the jack truck. Bad stock, even with a dime. Of course we starting like this, goddammit. Alex, Alex, why are you out here?
Starting point is 00:08:53 Wait, wait, wait, wait. Young niggas got go in the corner. Yo, Alex, Alex, how old are you? You're not old enough to be in the front today. Only for today. Only today, okay? Yeah, nah, don't do that again. Now I got to start.
Starting point is 00:09:11 Nah, don't. You know what I mean? I told Ice last podcast, I don't speak to young niggas about everything. Not everything hip-hop. This is one of those weeks for me. We're going to talk about it. Let's go then. This is one of those weeks for me. We gonna talk about it. Let's go then.
Starting point is 00:09:30 How old is LeBron James? 37? 37, 38. Nah, LeBron, you still gotta shut the fuck up. You know, man. Nah, he was outside. Nah, he gotta shut the fuck up. Everybody shut the fuck up.
Starting point is 00:09:45 All of the hip-hop-loving pretend pretenders We got a culture full of pretenders And the students of the game Such as myself We gotta watch y'all all year round Y'all niggas is getting money Y'all niggas is getting deals Y'all niggas is starting a cultural conversation This week though
Starting point is 00:10:01 Y'all shut the fuck up Conversation this week Did y'all see Chic? Oh, my God. It's almost like... It's almost like y'all had never heard this verse or any stories about the Lox or Rough Riders or even Drag on anybody that rolled with them niggas back in the day. What? Like he's clearly saying he's the type of guy to gasoline your bed. There's like 99 lines similar to this that everybody skipped. That's fine, now I suggest you hit the block And get what's rightfully mine I'm on PC, see me?
Starting point is 00:11:05 Tuck in your chains I got niggas, my pop stage That lifestyle ain't changed It's like wake up, move or break Half of it slow, make hard money Check machine I'm doing this for a second Shout out to the first and last time listeners
Starting point is 00:11:20 Shout out to all the real hip-hop heads out there Shout out to Yonkers Shout out to the Lox, D heads out there Shut up the yonkers shut out to the locks did say home Everybody that contributed to this being an amazing fucking week in hip-hop Take the coke money and invest in computers. Trying to reach the next level. Rolex with the ice bezel. Coming through the ghetto.
Starting point is 00:11:50 In the course to battle. For now, I play in the back of the cruiser. Light up a sack for the three-time losers. Four outs in bed. Bust off the Ruger. Ladies and gentlemen, bullets will leave you trembling, shooken up. I got my Cuban mommy cooking up We got it all from here on the fish scale
Starting point is 00:12:07 New York to Israel, get knocked I'm getting bail My style is flashy like a five of strobes Goons around the globe, honeys wearing silk robes Time to flip the strip, bust the whip Legend with the chip, dark blue with my trunk dip To the feds, catch me if you can I'm a stale, drenched port With my man on the Peter Pan I think I didn't bury the bricks in the sand
Starting point is 00:12:28 Fishes I want to tend I'm waiting on a hundred grand So I can hit the mower, take a shower Head back to the airport And now that money in the tower Stacked box with the kid L to the O to the X, you'll see Bad boy, bad boy
Starting point is 00:12:43 What you gonna do? What you gonna do when they come for you? You'll see. You'll see. Yonkers on, deep block zone. The L-O-X is on. Yeah. Make some noise for Jadakiss.
Starting point is 00:13:00 And in the money green corner, weighing in at 190 pounds, fighting in the money green trunks, hailing from Yonkers, New York, representing Rough Riders and D-Block. I think they ready, killer. Let's go. See, and this is part of the reason that the young people got to shut the fuck up, right? L-O.X. In my living room when this came on, there was a couple young people in there. There was a few people that were rooting for the Dipset in my living room. The Dipset. Yeah, the Dipset. They were rooting for them in my living room.
Starting point is 00:13:39 Surprised that they got in my living room. I had a strict age requirement to even make it there. You gotta double check your bouncer, man. Yeah, a few plus ones. He was lacking. The plus one brought a plus one
Starting point is 00:13:51 left some things there. It's one of those. Right? But when they started doing these freestyles it was quiet. It was silence.
Starting point is 00:14:06 Not a peep. It was there. He was silence. Not a peep. Ish was there. He was in my living room. They didn't know what was going on. By the time the freestyles got there, it should have been silent anyway. That's true. Not true? Well, yeah.
Starting point is 00:14:15 Yeah. That's true. Let's keep it real. But what I mean is, even in the silence of the battle, no matter who you were rooting for, you could still jam to the songs. When the freestyles came on. Only me and you looked at each other they didn't know everybody else was quiet it was only yeah got it got it i was i was singing every everything word for word doing cartwheels i couldn't even believe that these freestyles were coming on yeah through my apple tv thingamajiggy in 4k on this OLED, whatever type of TV it is.
Starting point is 00:14:46 I couldn't believe this. Like, when I say this was a week to be a student of hip-hop, if you're a student witnessing where we are at the midway through 2021 with what's occurring and how it's occurring, I'm not going to try and geek us out too much. Nah, we got to geek out today. Sorry. But man. Nah, it was a shame actually.
Starting point is 00:15:10 What was a shame? It was a shame that New York hip hop has gone from that to this. Like them niggas put on a clinic. Them niggas showed like this is what niggas put on a clinic Them niggas show Like this is what Niggas
Starting point is 00:15:26 Used to get busy You can't even hear New York hip hop On a radio no more Hot 97 Or Power 105 None of that That's a shame
Starting point is 00:15:34 Oh I'm celebrating hip hop I agree I'm not getting I ain't Nigga Shamefulness of it Where was I at Oh here Sorry about that I ain't up to this. Nigga. Shamefulness of it. Where was I at?
Starting point is 00:15:46 Oh, here. The chest, back to back. Sorry about that. Black, black, black. Oh, no, silence. Silence. That's where I was at. Yes, silence.
Starting point is 00:15:54 Not a word. Not a word. Then I got to thinking as I'm watching because I know that energy that was in there. Shout out to Fat Joe and his recap. Amazing recap. Amazing recap from someone that was there. See, but that's why we need people to actually be there. I'm an introvert.
Starting point is 00:16:13 I was never going to go, but if I was going to go somewhere, it would be there. And when I looked at the screen, know what I said to myself? I said, these young niggas that's in my living room having to shut the fuck up, know what they would have to do in that building, around that energy, around that hip hop, around that version of New York. They probably would have felt uncomfortable. Fuck shutting up. They probably would have been real uncomfortable. Know what you do when you're uncomfortable sometimes?
Starting point is 00:16:40 Shut the fuck up. Shut the fuck up. And then I come in here today and then Savon runs in here he runs outside during the mine and parks' smoke break I thought Savon started smoking I thought he's picked up a habit
Starting point is 00:16:58 I said Savon what are you doing out here the nigga started drooling out the mouth yeah I heard I heard Lauryn Hill you put that Lauryn Hill on. I heard Lauryn Hill went crazy on the new non, but wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. Young, young boy. Have you heard any of the other amazing moments that happened on the non's app? Hey, did you hear that moment?
Starting point is 00:17:22 Moments? Moments. Moments? Moments. Yeah, moments. Yo, appropriately titled moments. Did you hear that moment? Moments? Moments. Moments? Moments. Yeah, moments. Yo, appropriately titled moments. Did you hear that? It says no.
Starting point is 00:17:31 Well, guess what you got to do, Savon? You got to shut the fuck up. You got to shut the fuck up? You don't get to control the arcs this week. Maybe you're not watching what's happening. Hey, you niggas get the rest of the year. Your hip hop is y'all happening. Hey, you niggas get the rest of the year. Your hip-hop is yours. Hey, Logic came back.
Starting point is 00:17:50 It's yours. This week, though. No. Sorry. I'm sorry. I'm not allowing it this week. Sorry. About to lose my voice again.
Starting point is 00:18:10 I did a lot of yelling this week. Yo, this was the exact song I quoted to Drama, to Ice, to everybody that said Dipset would win. I said, yo, the nigga said, when you think of me, you think of a problem. Who, what, when, and how you going to solve them automatically revolve them? Y'all laughed. You laughed. Let's talk. Let me look at you in the face.
Starting point is 00:18:37 I want to look you in the eyes. Another one. You another one. Another Savonish style. I didn't say Vonish. Savonish. I said Savonish. No. Because't say varnish. Say varnish. I said savannish. No.
Starting point is 00:18:45 Because you old enough, you might be worse. Because you was outside, you was old enough. I said to you, yo, I think Jadakiss can play Ja Rule New York.
Starting point is 00:19:04 I said that to you because I thought it was an impactful sentence I thought it was impactful because I was outside when that song came out and I know all of y'all were killing Ja Rule at the time and he was in a fight for his life but clap back worked y'all try to erase that from hip-hop It worked. That shit was going crazy in New York. New York worked. Worked different. And this is where my beef is with you. You laughed at me and said,
Starting point is 00:19:35 welcome to New York City is going to come on. And you thought that was supposed to shut me up. I shut up. But in my head, I said, I don't know about that one nah you can't do that why? what clubs were you in?
Starting point is 00:19:52 see I think that's just what it boils down to I've been in the clubs the New York clubs me too I've been in the New York clubs that welcome to New York City in the middle of the dip set set
Starting point is 00:20:03 if Goldfinger was DJing, he used to get busy. It was one of those. What are we talking about? What was that? Cherry Lounge, one of those. New York City was ringing outside of New York City. Like, and the way I remember it hitting is how the fuck it hit. That's not fair, though.
Starting point is 00:20:23 No, yeah. That's not fair. It's a little extra. We're not going to do that. That's not fair, though. That's not fair. We're not going to do that. I can because I had no idea that it would do that in that building against the exact record that Ice said. It did that for a little bit more reasons. It did that for a bunch of reasons.
Starting point is 00:20:39 Give me more. Give me more. Let's unpack it all. I'm here. I'm going to... I got my... You got notes? No, I got my salute to Jada. I tried to find the shirt, the hat, the everything. I don't even wear hats. I tried to find the locks
Starting point is 00:20:54 hat to come in here and represent Jada. You should've got locks. You should've just locked up on these niggas. You'd have really showed them. I think you could do it too. Yo. The sound system... I don you could do it too. Yo. The sound system, I don't want to make excuses,
Starting point is 00:21:10 but, But you're making excuses. No, I'm just, I'm stating the facts. Dog, the sound system for them niggas that Dipset had,
Starting point is 00:21:17 the DJ, all that shit, was caca. No, no, hold on. The EQ. That's a deeper, darker. Let me finish. That's a deeper, darker,
Starting point is 00:21:24 because the sound system was the sound system. Yeah, but I said it was the sound system. Well, the EQ, whatever the fuck. No, no, hold on. The EQ. That's a deeper, darker. Let me finish. That's a deeper, darker. Because the sound system was the sound system. Yeah, but it was the same sound system. Well, the EQ, whatever the fuck. No, Dipset didn't mix records. Dipset didn't mix their records. I'm not disagreeing with any of that. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:21:36 What I'm saying is, you couldn't even hear Jay-Z when that song came on. You couldn't hear him. They didn't mix their records. I agree. What I'm saying is that song definitely hits harder than that that dipset anthem hits harder than that well they was getting ass what i'm saying nobody wants to hear it still didn't hit it still didn't hit it was no saving them at that point i'm not disagreeing none of them niggas songs they could have had
Starting point is 00:22:01 hove come out and do the record with them yeah it wouldn't matter yeah none of them nigga songs. They could have had Hov come out and do the record with them. Yeah. It didn't matter. None of them nigga songs hit. There are a million different contributing factors as to why they lost. We're going to say that. And we're going to go through all of them. Okay. We're going to go through all of them. The niggas, it look like the Lock's been on tour for the last six months. See, now you're.
Starting point is 00:22:20 See, now let me slow you down because you're quickly running through them all. Just looking with a casual eye. But no, I want to highlight them all. Oh, yeah, we could do that. I've sat home just observing. It's impossible for me to even get out all of my hip hop thoughts that I had just looking at things this week. Boy, it's been a fun week. I don't even remember the last time that happened.
Starting point is 00:22:42 Round of applause. Boy, it's been a fun week. I don't even remember the last time that happened. Round of applause. And round of applause to the entire dip set. Jimmy, Jewels, Cam, Zeke. Just everybody that was on stage. The locks.
Starting point is 00:22:56 Everybody that was in the audience. Fat Joe. Everybody I saw. Fab. Like, the energy was where it needed to be in New York City. Yeah. Yeah, it was. But the fight always starts before the fight. Mm-hmm.
Starting point is 00:23:09 This one started a very long time before. And I often, when we get into these talks, just talk about killers. So let me start with, do y'all have anybody from the Dipset side on the killer list? No. And we're talking about musically, by the way. Cam could be. We're not talking about... And that's why I asked.
Starting point is 00:23:35 Cam could be. And that's why I asked. Maybe. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Of course. No, no. Cam maybe. I would have Cam there.
Starting point is 00:23:41 Ice would have Cam there. Maybe. But if he's a killer, he got three bodies. Jadakiss got a whole cemetery. I would have Cam there. Ice would have Cam there. Maybe. But if he's a killer, he got three bodies. Jadakiss got a whole cemetery. Not only that. It's different levels even than that. I might be jumping a little bit, but Cam didn't give a fuck about this.
Starting point is 00:23:58 He didn't. And a lot of that showed, and that fucked him up. That's the thing. The one MC, and this is no disrespect to Juelz or Jim, because they have grown into being MCs in their career. Cam is the only real, real, real MC, MC in the group, and he didn't give a shit. He didn't care. And Cam got 20-something years in hip-hop.
Starting point is 00:24:18 He too cool. He was way too cool. And I've seen it happen. Jada Phat. Too cool going up against that. You can't do it. Going up against a killer. You can't. way too cool and I've seen it happen Jada Fab too cool going up against that you can't do it going up against a killer
Starting point is 00:24:28 you can't you can't play the too cool role you have to come in here and act like this is war this is war like one thing I noticed
Starting point is 00:24:36 from the Jada Fab shit and I seen it again here with this versus I don't know if it's Kiss doing it himself or the DJ he's prepared.
Starting point is 00:24:46 He is. Like, yo, I know they're going to play this record. And I'm going to put this on. And when they do, I got this. Shout out to Technician. Ice. Because having a dope DJ. Yes.
Starting point is 00:24:54 Can y'all stop running through every amazing point? I said I might be jumping. Go ahead. But the jumping cause is another jump. My fault. In every killer movie that you watch, don't they have to prepare? Mm-hmm. Yeah. in every killer movie that you watch don't they have to prepare yeah they don't unless it's one of them
Starting point is 00:25:08 action movies where they're just trying to get to a body count like they're trying to kill just 600 people Sylvester Stallone and Antonio Banderas remember that shit
Starting point is 00:25:15 they was in yeah all the good ones you're right you're following the car I'm gonna follow you yeah yeah yeah it's a job
Starting point is 00:25:23 it's preparation this was chess it's preparation yeah so when jim fight before the fight so when jim is playing with jim is playing with styles and we all had a blast watching it it was great because wow that's great uh two ogs uh clearly friends having a fun back and forth but there's some truth in the jokes so when jim is saying yo i hope you're not gonna wear that and styles is saying nigga why are you hope you're not going to wear that. And Styles is saying, nigga, why are you worried about what I'm wearing?
Starting point is 00:25:49 Why are we worried about clothes? If Cam got up there and started cracking on him. I'm coming up there to kill. Styles said it. Yeah. And then he said, yo, maybe I'm joking to him. I don't even know how to joke. I'm not used to joking. And Jim kept joking, and it was all funny.
Starting point is 00:26:02 Right. But there was something happening. It was something happening it was something happening it was like it was like when you see hey it was like when you see the url event and they had a face off and you watching the face prior to the battle and it's like one person is clearly setting a tone how this shit is gonna go and the other one maybe it's playing a little lighthearted or something no he's coming to kill you that's what i took from that he was he was coming to kill that should have's what I took from all that. He was coming to kill. That should have been clear from the jump. If the Benjamins and the catalog didn't tell you
Starting point is 00:26:30 that they was coming to kill, and Stiles' Stiles-ish jokes didn't tell you they was coming to kill. Jadakiss and Sheik's silence should have said something. We're not doing that. Or the lack of what seems to be i won't i won't say camaraderie but chemistry not chemistry but the fact that uh dipset appears to not have been together and on the stage no no no but they did a commercial together with a key can laughing
Starting point is 00:27:00 joking at the table like you wouldn't get that. And that became more clear when the battle went on and Jadakiss says, Cam, you in Miami. Well, now that commercial looks like Jim and Jules went to Miami to do a commercial. I think Jim lives in Miami, no? I don't know. So, same shit. Man, I'm telling you.
Starting point is 00:27:20 I don't know who lives where, but I'm just saying it didn't look like we together every day and now we did a commercial. It looked like we got together and we did a commercial and it was funny and blah, blah, blah. But cool. You somehow missed that these niggas was killers. 8 o'clock, 9.30, whatever the time come. First nigga on stage, Tet.
Starting point is 00:27:41 Killing. Killing. Killing. Killing, killing, killing. Niggas got mad when they DJed. What do you mean killing? The opening set. The set before everybody walked out.
Starting point is 00:27:49 The opening DJ set. I don't think he was killing at all. I was pissed off at him. Oh, no. He was going crazy. You're bugging. No. He was going crazy.
Starting point is 00:27:54 Fam. All right. That nigga was nuts. He was going crazy. No, he wasn't. I thought he was. I did, too. Okay, difference of opinions.
Starting point is 00:28:00 We don't have to stay here, but I thought he was going crazy. But cool, you might have missed that. No, I didn't. When the Lox came on stage, because they came out first. They came out on time. Michael Buffer announced them, and they came out on time. They came together. Three men walking straight.
Starting point is 00:28:15 In unison. Yeah, same. See, I'm watching the little shit. No, Jadakiss went, sat in the corner just like this. Yep. Like a fucking statue. Like, I'm ready to get busy. Don't talk. We Like a fucking statue. Like, I'm ready to get busy. Don't talk.
Starting point is 00:28:26 We not laughing. We not joking. I'm ready to get busy. They came out. They walked toward the audience. They did a New York head nod, a salute, whatever they did. And they put their back to the crowd. Facing back to the entrance.
Starting point is 00:28:37 We back to looking at the entrance. We still, we are not leaving Killer Mode this whole night. Yeah. Until it was over. You ain't see a smile until it was like around 90. Dipset comes out
Starting point is 00:28:49 a little late. Mad late. No, no, no. You jumping. Go ahead. Dipset gets announced and nothing happens. And then Jade and them
Starting point is 00:28:57 had to say, yo, get them niggas to the stage now. Uh-oh. Bring them niggas here. And at that point it started, for me in my head
Starting point is 00:29:05 it started to feel like the energy that I was saying might happen when I said if they lead off with fuck you
Starting point is 00:29:13 I don't care if they don't get the point they're setting the tone prior to the ending music being played I know the tone was set yeah the tone was set
Starting point is 00:29:22 prior to any song being played you got Dipset walking out and it it's just Jim, Jewels, and Zeke. No, it's 90 niggas. No, no, no. It's Jim, Jewels, and Zeke followed by 90 niggas. The locks came in there like, fam, I could fight. I could come by myself.
Starting point is 00:29:40 I could fight. I know y'all deep. I'm coming by myself. I could fight. And them three niggas walked down the stage, Styles pumping on his chest, hitting his chest. Jada was quiet as a church mouse and sat in the corner with a straight face like this.
Starting point is 00:29:53 Well, what it did, it put a lot more, again, back to my student shit, it put a lot more under the microscope. Jewels came out looking like we know Jewels. In this era. The new age bandana with the hat. It was the same Jewels. It was the updated Jewels.
Starting point is 00:30:17 But is that the Jewels that needed to be there? No. It's not something you would have ever thought about before. But when you see it standing next to the killers, you just look at it a little different. Jim looked like Jim. Yeah. And that's fine because Jim is Jim today. Jim is Jim.
Starting point is 00:30:41 You want Jim to be Jim. Yeah. And then Cam came out And Maybe it was me He wasn't feeling the lawn chair? I wasn't feeling none of it Fam
Starting point is 00:30:54 They came for the show And these niggas came to kill You brought a lawn chair out To a certified killer? Mm-hmm Mm-hmm Came for the show Stop You brought a lawn chair out to a certified killer? Came for the show. Stop. See, I ain't even talking to you niggas. Came for the show.
Starting point is 00:31:12 I'm talking to people that understand certified. Nah, they came for the show. Came for the check. I don't care what they came for. I disagree. Jada Kiss and them niggas are killers since 96. This is what is in it. And you brought a beach chair?
Starting point is 00:31:28 Don't tell me about a killer list. You don't tell me about this nigga being on a killer list. That's true. You don't understand what it take mentally. You brought a beach chair? That beach chair didn't get burned that whole night. Look at this nigga face. That shit got abandoned.
Starting point is 00:31:48 These niggas is looking like Team USA when the Hawaii niggas start doing the cultural, the dance. That's how they... Yo. Yo, they brought that beach chair out. It's using the living room. What did I say?
Starting point is 00:32:04 Yo, these niggas is crazy. Nah, they came for the show. Bro, I'm with you. I'm with you. I was saying the same shit in my clip. Flip a coin. Let's see who goes. It's almost like they kept walking into direct punches.
Starting point is 00:32:19 Yeah, yeah, yeah. No, no, no. It's like they walked themselves. The whole shit. Every time I gave a point, I took a point away because they walked into a punch. You leaving the shit right by the bus. They're going to flip the fucking car. You go first.
Starting point is 00:32:30 You go first. You go first. Why did Cam do that with Jadakiss? Nigga, we home. Y'all could go first. But wait. What? When Cam said that.
Starting point is 00:32:38 And did you see the reaction on him? And the building didn't quite do what I think most people thought that it would do. Yeah, they were supposed to go up. Because it's Harlem. Technically, Cam is right. That's Manhattan. It's Harlem. We just did the Knicks commercial here.
Starting point is 00:32:52 The Knicks have invited us to the playoff. This is our shit. We did this our shit. Right. But Jada Kidz said, nigga, you live in Miami. That was the worst. With the Jada voice. That was the worst picture that could have been.
Starting point is 00:33:06 No, and then said drop my record. Yo, why am I arguing with you? Yeah. No. Yo, why am I going back? I don't want to do none of that. That nigga said, yo, go in the corners. Play y'all song.
Starting point is 00:33:17 We're going to go over here. We're going to shut the fuck up. Play y'all joints. Don't distract the people. Don't crack on Styles' clothes. Don't do none of that. Get busy. And when you come out and say, dog, you live in Miami.
Starting point is 00:33:30 Tech, let's go. And then Fuck You comes on. You set the stage. In the Hulu Theater in New York City. And I'm throwing. In that room full of, hey, I recognize some of y'all that was in there. That's why I was on. No, no. I knew y'all that was in there. That's why I was on. No, no.
Starting point is 00:33:47 I knew y'all would be there. Seen a couple. When Fuck You came, somebody would have stabbed me. Somebody would have stabbed me. I would have elbowed somebody in the face by mistake. They'd have fucking shanked me right on up. Yo, Fuck You came on. What I told you, win or lose, once the tone is set, man, I don't know what they play.
Starting point is 00:34:07 Hey, yo, pull up what went bad. Pull up what went wrong. They went, I'm ready after that. They followed up when I'm ready. But even that. Now, let's get. Hold on. Go ahead.
Starting point is 00:34:15 Can I? Yeah, get your shirt off. Love that the lock's open with fuck you. Yeah. So when I was out here, I'm ready. I said, okay, let's get it. That's what I thought. Ooh, slugfest. No. Hold up. You niggas don't know the words. Not if you're not ready. I know, but then this is. You when I was out here, I'm ready. I said, okay, let's get it. That's what I thought. Ooh, slugfest.
Starting point is 00:34:25 No. Hold up. You niggas don't know the words. Not if you're not ready. I know, but then this is- You're not ready. Right, right, right. Not if you're not ready.
Starting point is 00:34:30 And this was the difference. That's one. This was the difference. Dirt, fuck you. Wait, hold up. Dirt, fuck you. Styles is over there fucking with Cam on the chair,
Starting point is 00:34:38 kissed in his whole verse. Word for word. Word for word. Never even noticed that Styles wasn't really rapping because he was over there fucking with Cam. I'm Ready comes on.
Starting point is 00:34:48 I don't know what the fuck Juelz was rapping, but it was not that song. No, he was four bars ahead the whole time. Bruh. But even with that. And hold on,
Starting point is 00:34:55 real quick. And they're playing the actual song. Right. Exactly. They're not even playing a TV track. They're not playing an instrumental. They're not even playing a TV track.
Starting point is 00:35:05 They're not playing an instrumental. They're just rapping over their lyrics and getting them wrong. Which gets us to Ish's point, right?
Starting point is 00:35:12 I didn't know that's what you was about to say. To Ish's point, and this is why it's shut the fuck up week. Because you have to remember the time.
Starting point is 00:35:19 Like Michael Jackson. That whole I'm ready error, that wasn't, what's this new pristine mixing sound? What do they call it on Apple? Apple spatial. That wasn't Losos.
Starting point is 00:35:31 That wasn't Losos way. That wasn't Losos way audio. That was the era where it wasn't the cleanest mix. Well, they was doing whatever during that era. Everyone was kind of, except for the the locks because they came from a different bro and that is gonna that's getting to my point
Starting point is 00:35:47 the locks started out with Puff major big budget the best mixers engineers our shit has to sound bad boyish clean
Starting point is 00:35:58 yeah so even the hardest songs in the world you can hear every sound instrument and the locks are playing TV tracks and the people that don't know what that means TV tracks Even the hardest songs in the world, you can hear every sound instrument. And the locks are playing TV tracks.
Starting point is 00:36:11 And the people that don't know what that means, TV tracks, these are my performance tracks. These are the tracks where my voice is going to be the instrument. It's usually instrumental with background vocals and ad-libs and maybe a chorus, you know, a lead vocal on the chorus. Hey, but if they get fly in a TV track, a sound might be louder. Yeah, for sure. Or a breakbeat will come. It's your performance track, which means it's built for performing. It's telling you what time it is with these niggas.
Starting point is 00:36:42 We could rap every word, but nah, it's TV tracks here. And it's three of us doing the three-man weave. And we all know each other's shit. Three of us that know each of their lyrics. No, we know each other like the back of each other's hands. I know he's going to get tired. I'm going to have to step in. All that.
Starting point is 00:36:57 I know that line in the verse that he hates to say. He normally loses breath around it. Yep. You can hear it. Technicians. It sounds like the niggas just came off tour. Like. You can hear it. Technicians. It sounds like the niggas just came off tour. Like they've been on tour for four months. So I'm ready.
Starting point is 00:37:11 It's a great track to play if you ready. If you ready. But if you're not ready, cool. I have it one zip. I have it one lock. And before you even go to the next round. So you got Juelz not knowing the words. You had Jim not knowing the words.
Starting point is 00:37:30 Cam doesn't even do the verse. Yep. So I'm like, okay, Cam is still sitting down. Cam, you're the star of Dipset. You're the face. I don't know about that. No, no, no. I don't know about that.
Starting point is 00:37:43 It's different today. I'm talking about just Dipset, Dipset. That's what it should be. That's what the world knows. That don't know about that. No, no, no. No, no, no. I don't know about that. It's different today. I'm talking about just dip set, dip set. That's what it should be. That's what the world knows. That's what I'm saying. The world knows Cam as the dip set frontman. As the face of dip set, yes. And I think that has transitioned over the last years.
Starting point is 00:37:55 I agree. And that's why the Lox niggas all get busy. They all kill us. They play their role. You knew who the undisputed leader of the group was on the stage. He commanded the stage. He did everything accordingly. And that was Jada. Stop. Another great point by Ish. When I'm seeing this, when this is the optic and I'm sitting there being a student, I go back down memory lane.
Starting point is 00:38:24 Optic, and I'm sitting there being a student, I go back down memory lane. The locks have had to battle, hey, who's the best in this group? That was a thing. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. That thing can cause division. Yeah, it can. I'm going to bounce on your point. Keep going.
Starting point is 00:38:49 on your point keep going the locks had to deal with kiss solo career blowing up and him getting neptune's beats guess what they did it no problem they did it style start playing his hits from that same ever hey we still was moving she put out a fucking amazing album that same time like they just worked through it and whatever the issue might have been, if there was one, because this is a legend, nobody ever knows. Know why? Because they niggas.
Starting point is 00:39:11 They niggas. That's what I told y'all. I said this to y'all before. It was so much on display when we finished recording the last time. I said, yo, something has, like, the Locks got to be giving their flowers just in, fuck the, forget the music part.
Starting point is 00:39:24 The fact that they came in, what, 95, 96, whatever? You never saw no bullshit with them. He did say that last week. I don't know how many other hip-hop groups we can say that about. Zero. He did say that. Guess what? Zero.
Starting point is 00:39:37 And that shows. Well, it shows on the other side, too. It shows on the other side. Yes. And I won't talk about it, but Dipset has gone through their ups and downs and accusatory remarks and contract issues
Starting point is 00:39:51 and so forth and so on. And not knowing nobody business, just looking, it looks like some of it never really got the full closure that it needed. Damn, I told you, when they walked on the stage
Starting point is 00:40:01 and the Dipset dapping each other up. It almost looked like I ain't seen you niggas in a long time. We ain't spoken forever. Oh shit. What up? We about to perform together though. Yo. That's how the embraces look.
Starting point is 00:40:14 Two things. They don't fuck with each other. Where all Joe said about yo everybody had to. There was an argument about who was better in the lock style chic. Right? Yeah. And in consensus. It's not my consensus everybody tends to say jada and styles are better right that's the normal i like chic better than styles but the normal consensus is jada styles chic right you can tell they niggas
Starting point is 00:40:40 because them niggas really let chic eat yeah they let chic eat 24 hours to live chic rap reservoir dogs chic rap like yo they let that nigga get busy yeah and took a back seat to like jayden didn't say his verse on reservoir dogs that's that's true what you're saying ish but i want to add to that because not to discredit Sheik Sheik has always kind of barged his way into things even when it was yo who's better styles and Kiss Sheik always had yo shut the fuck up before I blast it
Starting point is 00:41:14 like he always had a verse that welcome to D block like when they let him shine that was a Sheik song to me I know Kiss went off but Sheik set that tone even in that though Sheik being the more i'm not gonna say silent partner i'm not crazy like that but if he were mute and couldn't talk you feel his presence in the group you know you know you know how powerful that is? Yeah, you know. Fam, the optic I was getting.
Starting point is 00:41:45 Oh, my God. Man, man, man, man. She said that on one of the more recent Lox albums. There was a record, What Else You Need to Know. And he said that. He's like, yo, I was cool with the Lox shit, so no solo plans. That's why every song you heard was just my mans. Like, letting them get off
Starting point is 00:42:05 and he's like I missed all these other records cause Jaden Styles was cool I don't need to I don't wanna be all that and it's like
Starting point is 00:42:13 everybody accepting they role playing their position yo we all gonna win team shit yeah real team shit though
Starting point is 00:42:20 brother shit track two Bant from TV why did they let my TV was already in danger. Why did you let the locks play it first? Planning mistake. Your crucial planning killer mistake.
Starting point is 00:42:38 If you knew that you was playing with a killer and you had the same bullet, I'm getting to it first. I couldn't believe they let Jadakiss play that. Crunk music came on. Young niggas in my living room got hype.
Starting point is 00:42:54 I got hype. I got hype too. I got hype. Well, that's my shit. It didn't hit though. Now this is that bomb that you keep on and it's on with me.
Starting point is 00:43:02 Yeah, it hit to me. It hit for me. Jim forgot lyrics. That mattered to me. It didn't hit. It hit to me. But it hit for me. Jim forgot lyrics. Like, that mattered to me. It didn't hit. It hit for me. But for me, it's never getting a point over being from TV. Ever.
Starting point is 00:43:13 It was the way they did being from TV. It could have. They just laughed. They went back to back like, y'all can't do this. Right. Y'all ain't never did this. I'm just giving you my scorecard. It was two zip at that point.
Starting point is 00:43:23 When niggas done started something came on see and this is when you know you're dealing with killers when mace didn't come out i said oh they showing mercy i thought that i thought let's go back to our royce lupe conversation i said a lot because i'm biased and that's my brother. But one of the big things I was saying was, hey, Royce is showing mercy. I've been there before as a killer. Like, sometimes you show mercy. Like, you know what I could have did to Saigon?
Starting point is 00:44:00 Like, just stop. Saigon, I love love you by the way and I'm only saying this because he does a lot of interviews and he talks about it and it was a big moment my kid fucking got into it there's a lot going on
Starting point is 00:44:11 Saigon's my brother but respectfully do you know what I could have done to that guy if I just didn't want to go to the park one day could have been bad they didn't bring Mace out
Starting point is 00:44:25 Cam's man that would have on all of these that would have ended that on all of these I'm going to be honest with you Mace on niggas done started something oh that took me right back to Hoboken Park
Starting point is 00:44:36 don't get it fucked up because I'm saying Hoboken I'm talking about 96 the other Hoboken not the Hoboken you see today yeah no no it's by the project the project's project, the project's still there. The project's still there.
Starting point is 00:44:47 Oh, my God. That mace. What if he would have came out? That was showing mercy. A suck it or not came on. I don't care who you gave the point to. Because at this point, the locks is going first. And they're throwing haymakers every shot.
Starting point is 00:45:07 and seemed to be in total control of the vibe, the crowd, the energy, their opponent's energy. And then when Mighty D Block came on, which I do not like better than Santana's Town, it didn't matter. It didn't matter. So we just went through the first four bruh in my opinion
Starting point is 00:45:29 none of them dip set songs hit actually I do like Mighty D by Ben and Santana's Town but still it shouldn't have been the separation that it was it shouldn't have been that distant I gave I know Ben from TV is Ben from TV I gave the point to crunkanned From TV is banned from TV
Starting point is 00:45:45 I gave the point to crunk music and also gave the point to suck it or not so I had Dipset up to one going into four
Starting point is 00:45:52 okay that was the last point they got yeah Mighty D Block when Mighty D Block and it was just an extra shit
Starting point is 00:46:01 like the line in the song I know niggas that went to jail just to get their teeth fixed and they all pointed at Jewels. Fam. Yeah, man.
Starting point is 00:46:09 Fam. Like what is happening here? That's the moment where I felt. I started feeling bad. Yeah. I really did. I really started feeling bad. Like, damn.
Starting point is 00:46:19 No, I stopped thinking. I went right to Kimbella because I know Jewels. I know Kimbella. Kimbella's there. I know how that is your husband is there about to do his thing you put your outfit on
Starting point is 00:46:28 you there I was thinking about Fab as somebody who faced Kiss I thought about that video where Fab where they all at the pool the end of the pool party it was different though
Starting point is 00:46:37 Fab is saying yo to Benjamin and Jim is laughing okay no it's different though I'm just saying I wouldn't want to i got my lady in the
Starting point is 00:46:47 audience and i got a face mighty d-blank no that kiss right there is not the same kiss as fat yeah no we know no no no it wasn't no no no it wasn't no no no how you ice me and you went in there with the same intentions to kill no no, no. He showed mercy to Fab. He did show mercy to Fab. He did. No, he didn't. That's my man. I'm saying this. I'm drunk.
Starting point is 00:47:08 We key-keying. That's my guy. We just finished the album together. I'm not trying to kill him. He was there. I'm not trying to kill him. He wasn't trying to kill him. He wasn't trying to kill Fab.
Starting point is 00:47:16 That nigga got up there with an attitude. It turned out like that. And fun. Hell, he got drunk. He got fun. It was fun. He was making jokes. He was laughing and joking.
Starting point is 00:47:24 He was drunk fun. You ain't see drunk fun kissing. No, no, no. You ain't see that. No, you didn't. You got fun. It was fun. He was making jokes. He was laughing and joking. He was drunk fun. You ain't see drunk fun kissing. No, no, no. You ain't see that. No, you didn't. You saw killer. Yes. This almost came off as like, yo, I've been tired of niggas pitting us against each other
Starting point is 00:47:33 all these years. I'm about to show you niggas what's up. No, it didn't. No, no. Not to me. I'm saying what I got from Kiss was I hear you niggas keep saying- Oh, there we go. There we go.
Starting point is 00:47:44 Dipset or the locks. Yeah, yeah, yeah. All right, you know what? I'm tired of that shit. No, no. It sounds like, and I'm confused by it every time I hear it. That's what it sounds like. Yeah, yeah.
Starting point is 00:47:52 It sounds like, yo, I get it. He's like, what are we doing here? He said it. It's good. This fight's been fixed. It's good. Why are we here? But it's not.
Starting point is 00:48:02 It ain't enough. It's not. It's not. That's what he was saying like yo you sharp and if that was ever clear it was at the next round yeah yeah when the who shot your freestyle yeah yeah i was so confused i start scrambling my brain to see what part of who shot you could kiss have written he had to have wrote something in the original who shot you because he not about to do his fucking who shot
Starting point is 00:48:32 you freestyle here and he did and brought it back too yeah and brought it back and then told him but told him you can't do this stop though that's but you cannot do this i'm trying to put i want y'all as you say it's level into that space where now you have to face
Starting point is 00:48:57 the levels put yourself in a ish nephew just got drafted he gonna going to have to play Kyrie. Yeah. It's levels now. You got to get there. So imagine what you're saying in this moment. The locks are going first. Right. So that means I don't even care what you come with. I'm going first. I'm not even worried about what you come with.
Starting point is 00:49:19 I know your whole catalog. And I'm going to just rap because I'm a killer and when killers just rap it's gonna always work it's gonna always work Tyler started calling Jadakiss sexy he couldn't even control his body
Starting point is 00:49:36 what the bars did yo don't ever tell me bars, but won't bars do it? Nigga, Tyler, body temperature started warming up. Nigga had the tweet, look at that confidence. Yo, I know it sounds like I'm making a joke. But I'm not. What I'm saying is, back in the day, New York niggas, when we went to Virginia or North Carolina or South Carolina or fucking, when we went somewhere, it was like a thing. It was a thing.
Starting point is 00:50:29 Some of y'all still exist out there where we pop up. Well, New York is everywhere now, but still you bump into one or two where you get somewhere and they be like, oh, that's that New York shit. I just got a thing. It's like a little. So while Tyler was saying, oh, my God, my body, I can't control it. The chicks was saying, yo, it's something about New York niggas. They look like they about to shoot each other, but they not.
Starting point is 00:50:50 Oh, my pussy is so wet. That was happening. I'm not joking. No, no, no. I seen them tweets. That's for real. Hey. I seen them. Nigga tweets.
Starting point is 00:50:57 Yeah, I seen it. Talk about my phone. I seen the tweets. Nah, you right. Nah, you right. I saw the tweets. Nah, you right. Nah, you right. I saw the tweets too. I'm talking about my bitches. That ain't one of them fucking.
Starting point is 00:51:16 And I'm joking, by the way. I don't have no bitches. I don't know. That energy is contagious is what I'm saying. It sounds funny and it is funny, but that energy is contagious is what I'm saying it sounds funny and it is funny but that energy
Starting point is 00:51:28 is contagious and Tyler tweeted this at the Hooshotcha Freestyle yo put the shit back up man I don't want to see that and they followed that fam at this point it don't matter
Starting point is 00:51:38 at this point it don't matter that loss don't matter what they follow it was over it was over it don't really matter what they follow but then it continued to be a bloodbath round after round.
Starting point is 00:51:47 I stopped keeping score at that point. That's when I stopped. And then they start playing. Dipset was playing two records at once. Well, no. Well, because of time restrictions, I'm assuming. Yeah. I saw a camera run over the kids.
Starting point is 00:52:00 It was late. Yeah. It was late. They had boxing events earlier. And I know they have time issues there. I liked that they did that. I'm not mad at it, but what I'm saying is... But Lox did it too.
Starting point is 00:52:12 No. It started right after Who Shot Your Freestyle. Oh. That's what I'm saying. Oh, look, look, look, look, look. Yeah, I see. Well, no, because get them girls, live my life. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:52:22 That's where it started. That's where it started. Oh, you're right. Yeah. Oh, shit, he hit me with that. girls, live my life. Yeah. That's where it started. That's where it started. Oh, you're right. Yeah. Oh, shit. He hit me with that. I went hit him with two. Right.
Starting point is 00:52:29 And it wasn't enough. Which was, yeah. They started packaging two records that might have been W's together. Yeah. A lot. It was like, yo, fam, y'all should not put these two records together. No, but the bad part is, even when you did it. I didn't even peep that.
Starting point is 00:52:44 It still didn't get a dub. Even when you did yeah it didn't work killers do look what killers do though so look we're gonna go punch for punch you hit me twice you're just opening up the door for me to beat the shit out of you correct correct you get what i'm saying like and that's what started yo jewel's he thought he just alley you bro and. And they just, Sean Marion on a break. They just, like, yo, it was crazy. After the Who Shot Your Freestyle, Reservoir Door. Hold on, Joe. Before you even get there.
Starting point is 00:53:16 Before you even get there. My bad. After Who Shot Your Freestyle, I'm thinking, God damn, y'all fired off. You gave me I'm Ready. You gave me Crunk Music. You gave me Suck It or Not. A lot early.
Starting point is 00:53:29 A lot early. You gave me four joints. Four monsters and y'all still losing. That should have won. At that point, I'm already going through my head like, The locks ain't even... The locks ain't scratch the cereal off you.
Starting point is 00:53:42 Right. That's what I was getting at. Locks ain't even put all the bullets in No If this is what you gave me here This is gonna get really spooky But That just speaks to
Starting point is 00:53:52 Fast That just speaks to my point that Them songs that normally just Go through Joe did the dip set set In here Nigga we was in here like Shit
Starting point is 00:54:04 Yeah They didn't shit on that stage not at all nothing they didn't yo and they got it got to the point where kiss kept telling them i think it was after round five or something why am i here yo play ball i know you i know you got ball that's all you got left come on i want to hear it. Let me hear balling. Come on, give me balling. Hurry up. So now listen. So now listen. He knows what Spades is.
Starting point is 00:54:29 So now listen. I'm glad y'all said I did the dip set set. Reservoir Dogs comes on plus blood pressure. You can't beat that. Plus blood pressure. I thought that was a really tough combination. I'm glad Kiss found a way to get blood pressure in there. And Cam follows that with Pull It. I played Pull It in my Dipset tribute,
Starting point is 00:54:53 and we said, this will never come on. You said Reservoir Dogs wouldn't come on. And I said, you crazy. I was glad I was wrong with Pull It. I like to hear Pull It, and I like to hear 357, and I liked hearing The Rock. Not again. Not after Reservoir Dogs and Blood Pressure. It wasn't enough.
Starting point is 00:55:13 Can't do it. Followed by 24 Hours to Live. 24 Hours to Live is what? 98, Mace? 98. 98. 99, somewhere in there. No, 97, 98.
Starting point is 00:55:26 No, it's 97, 98, not 99. Because I was in a rehab in Newark close to Prince Street washing cars outside. The Lexuses, TVs. It was Mace era. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:55:40 So 24 Hours to Live came on. It brought me back to that. And I said, yo, stop this. this stop this fight because at this point now now y'all fucking it up because this ain't this ain't feeling celebratory to me it looked like y'all are changing the image of one of new york's greatest fucking groups and that's what happened i don't want new york doing that to new york so now i'm getting mad now i'm getting mad and right after 24 hours to live goes off everything that i wanted to hear came on g's up harlem bird gang money i didn't i would have put purple city but i would have put something else yeah i didn't expect to hear.
Starting point is 00:56:25 That's not in my record. That's when I start screaming at my phone saying, yes, fight back, Jim. Let's go, Jim. No, he starts screaming. Fight back, Jim. Fight these niggas. Because right before that moment, I said, oh, Jim has to save them. Jim is the only one that can save them.
Starting point is 00:56:43 I got other Jim records I thought would have bowled better than some of this other shit that came on. So that's where I stop. Stop. Stop. I almost...
Starting point is 00:56:54 Let me watch myself. This nigga said, fight back, Jim. That's right. Fight back, Jim. That's what that was. I just felt like a Jim-led charge
Starting point is 00:57:03 might have appeared different. This is a Cam-led charge. It's not, because Cam was barely paying attention to them niggas. But he's still leading the charge. And I feel like Dipset maybe stands a better chance if it's Jim leading the charge. Jim is still active in music right now. Jim is still talking to all of the rappers he's charismatic he still has to keep in tune with when you still active you have to keep in tune with some things
Starting point is 00:57:31 it don't matter if you trash at showing it i'm not saying he is but you have to keep up jim is up he's up to date at least this maybe goes different if it's led by him i don't know energy energy energy uh a few a few months ago i was coming in here during a pandemic it was all fucked up right and i was telling y'all that a bunch of people in new york wanted to leave new york toy moving this one's moving this one's moving everybody's moving i went on this long diatribe about why i wouldn't move because of the spirit of new york and how there's value to it you might not get it if you don't get that but cam not living in new york for me was on full fucking display it didn't seem like he had the new york the still the new york census to even
Starting point is 00:58:21 know how to respond to some of this shit that was happening. He was still in Miami mode. To me. To me. And if the leader is doing that. Kiss wasn't. If the leader is doing that. He kept reminding you.
Starting point is 00:58:36 This is me. I'm right here. He's a surgeon. He's a surgeon. No, no, no, no, no. He says he be on my block. I'm New York. No, not my block. I'll be in Manhattan.
Starting point is 00:58:42 Yo, y'all see me? See me all the time. No. I jog. Dog. I'm in Central Park. Nigga, even his comebacks. Like, yo, when you grow up here, niggas be cracking and hiking and shooting the dust.
Starting point is 00:58:54 You got to be witty with your shit. And that's what led me to... You got to be witty with your shit. Nigga cracking on your sneakers. You got to get on that, nigga. Get your fat ass out of here. Kiss padded. But that's what led me down deep dive road
Starting point is 00:59:06 because we know Cam as the joker. As the witty one. As the funniest nigga in the world. He's the witty one. And it was at one point I had him on the killer list too. Many, many, many years ago,
Starting point is 00:59:21 but I had him there because you don't do D-Rugs and the Fantastic Four and all of that and not be a killer. But then he came back and saw success with some of the, a change of style. And that's when niggas started laughing with the,
Starting point is 00:59:35 who did this? Who did the computer spew? I took him off the killer list, but he was still one of the nicest niggas and very successful. But when he couldn't, when he didn't have that New York shit you talking about, the witty comeback, I said,
Starting point is 00:59:50 see, wait. It look like he ain't want to be there, yo. That's all I, it just, I don't care about none of- Like I'm here for the bag. Give me my check. I took that from the very beginning when Cam posted the fucking verses on Instagram.
Starting point is 01:00:02 No, when he shared the shit to Swiss. Swiss was like, yo, you ain't signed your contract yet. I don't care that he didn't want to be there. You're there. I'm not imagining how you fucking feel.
Starting point is 01:00:13 This is a mail-in. You there. Nah. No. I'm telling you. No. This is a mail-in. I am not allowing it
Starting point is 01:00:20 for a nigga that a lot of niggas got on their top 20 of all time. No. Shut the fuck up. Nope. Nope. Nope. You stood there top 20 of all time. No, shut the fuck up. Nope, nope, nope. You stood there in front of a killer. You was there.
Starting point is 01:00:30 And you a man. I don't care if you're a favorite. Hey, Jadakiss' favorite show was on too and he fucking said it. I want to go home and watch The Honeymooners. No, that wasn't his. That was a jab. Nigga, that was sarcasm.
Starting point is 01:00:43 Yo, come on, fam. Let me go. I don't think. The, come on, fam. Let me go. I don't think... Hey, guess what? I don't know it to be a jab because Kiss wakes up at 6 a.m. like a killer, drinks green tea smoothies, takes the fucking energy shot,
Starting point is 01:00:58 jogs around Central Park nine times, goes to the pull-up bar with the... What's the nigga's name? The pull-up masters? Whatever they name it. The bartenders. The bartenders, yeah. It goes over there. I don't know.
Starting point is 01:01:09 I think at nighttime, he's in bed to watch the Honeymooners. And I think he would rather watch the Honeymooners than stand in on picks in New York. Somewhere. On picks in New York. On picks in New York. You're lying. No, no, no. That's crazy.
Starting point is 01:01:24 Nah, I thought he was being. Miami niggas might not. And who knows? But the point is, that, that, no, you're not going to say he didn't want to be there. He was there. No, and again, even if you don't want to be there, once a nigga start punching you, fam, you got to get it. But wait, but once your funny ain't working now, right?
Starting point is 01:01:42 And I hope this, yeah, I'm just giving an honest review. No, nigga, once your funny ain't working now, right? And I hope this, yeah, I'm just giving an honest review. No, nigga, once your funny ain't working, now you got to rap. Let me preface all of this with I have the utmost respect for everybody that was on that stage. And that was one of the greatest nights in hip hop to me. Yeah, absolutely. No matter what I'm saying right now, this was iconic. It was. Iconic shit.
Starting point is 01:01:59 But now, when the funny ain't funny. You got to rap. Yeah. And that's what Jada said. But that's what Jada kept saying Jada said yo Don't let these niggas distract you Play your next joint And on top of that though
Starting point is 01:02:11 They was Out funny in them niggas too Not on purpose No no the locks is funny On the walk in Not on purpose No no the locks But people might not know that
Starting point is 01:02:20 But that's what I'm saying They don't know that People don't know that These killing niggas Got the great sense of humor. When they all walked in and walked on the stage, I hear them saying,
Starting point is 01:02:28 what the fuck he here for? Why he got a mic? Talking about Zeke. It's like, oh, you the fat nigga from Drew Hill. You just here taking money. No, he told that nigga, yo, you just a fat nigga
Starting point is 01:02:36 from Drew Hill. Like, what you even here for? Yeah, but you know what? And stop right there. I don't know if Freaky Zeke should have chose this moment to do the dance and then the normal
Starting point is 01:02:47 hype man stuff that he does your group is here for war this is not a normal show we don't need no hype man this is not a concert
Starting point is 01:02:56 yeah this is nigga pull up the killer joint no but whoa even if you gonna be the hype man
Starting point is 01:03:03 help the niggas out when they lose they breath yeah you gonna be the hype man Help the niggas out When they lose they breath Yeah Yeah Be the actual hype man You got Yo nigga Spliffstar helps Busta
Starting point is 01:03:12 When he go And you get to the end You know he gonna Jones Freaky Santana Come on Shake
Starting point is 01:03:18 Shake It just should've gone different This didn't hit Was that right? I didn't hear that No they didn't play this They didn't play this They didn't play. Was that late? I didn't hear that. No, they didn't play this. They didn't play this.
Starting point is 01:03:26 They didn't play this. Yo, who wanna mess with me? Or can mess with me? Be a mess to clean. Hope you missed the clean. Where I glitz and
Starting point is 01:03:34 gleam. Trigger team. Click the beam. Hit the fiend. Get the wing. Clicking like a nicotine. But it's all for the
Starting point is 01:03:39 green like blistering. Had to diss the queen. Thinking I'ma get a jeans. I ain't genuine. Mom, my mission's mean. On my nigga Dean. Fix the fix. Get the cream. Yeah, this should have gone different. Twisting the fauna As we sit in the sauna This is my persona Got a kiss in the car
Starting point is 01:04:04 We're the dips So cut the show Seeing what was working I would've went and talked to the DJ I would've made a couple of improv moves I would've had to pull some shit out, man Baby Kanye, this that 1970s
Starting point is 01:04:22 It was too late It was way too late This is the second to last record. It still didn't hit. But that's my point. Yeah, but it couldn't have. Nothing would have hit. Nothing could have hit.
Starting point is 01:04:29 Nothing would have hit at that point. Dipset Anthem didn't hit like it was supposed to hit. That's Dipset Anthem. And they brought it in weird too. You got mobbed. You're being made a fun of. Like literally what Joe said. I'm watching somebody take this group
Starting point is 01:04:45 that we hold up on this high pedestal and bring them down to earth that's what that's what they did these niggas ain't who y'all think they are I ain't like that
Starting point is 01:04:53 I'ma pull a curtain back and show y'all it's all smoke and mirrors so once I stopped I wasn't even saying smoke and mirrors it was just like
Starting point is 01:05:00 yo dog you nice yeah it's not smoke and mirrors you're just not the warriors because the thing about not smoking mirrors you're just not the warriors because the thing about dipset like you're just not the warriors and and don't like i'm not trying to shit on nobody from new york so i hope this is not coming off that way please don't think for me being a student dipset represented what dipset and harlem niggas for me always represent. Just flashy, fly, stylish, funny. And they got joints for days.
Starting point is 01:05:32 So they Harlem. They gave me Harlem. My critique is against Yonkers murderers. Gritty, grimy, came from the era of hip-hop where you had to get busy to get yourself known. We might have needed to get into our Harlem murderer bag a little bit, and they have it. And there was a lot of internet versus real life conversations going in my head, too. The internet has built Dipset up, and granted, they are one of the top ten crews probably ever in hip-hop to me. But the internet has blown them up to be something a little different,
Starting point is 01:06:07 even bigger than that. If you go on the internet, Dipset is the top two groups of all time. Dipset was a movement. Absolutely. It's beyond just music. It's culture to a certain point. So, yeah, Dipset is much bigger than it's all of that. But that's why.
Starting point is 01:06:23 The culture slider is more up so the music goes up but their culture slider for niggas that was think for niggas that was born in like
Starting point is 01:06:34 96, 97 like like Marissa yeah like Marissa she put a pink outfit on she said y'all know what time it is
Starting point is 01:06:42 there was a lot of that Rory even Rory swears by Rory's born wins. Like, kids of that age group. Look at Jimmy. Look at these niggas. These niggas look like hip hop.
Starting point is 01:06:53 They broke Wayne in New York. They've done too much. Of course. Like, even that, I was expecting kids. But none of that matters when you're dealing with
Starting point is 01:07:02 trained assassins. But not only that, Joe, the trained assassins, and I'm not taking anything away from the locks by any means, the trained assassins also outperformed. Yeah, the breath control. That's the real life. That's the real life. But that's part of the assassinship.
Starting point is 01:07:21 Yeah, that's part of being a killer. What I'm saying is it's not just that the music was harder. No, no, no. The performance is part of the assassin shit. Yeah, that's part of being a killer. What I'm saying is it's not just that the music was harder. No, no, no. The performance is part of the killer. They checked boxes. All of the boxes. All of them. All of the boxes.
Starting point is 01:07:31 Those are the boxes that niggas keep talking about. From engineers to DJs to producers. All of the DJs. Vocals to lyrics. Everybody was in sync. From Rotary. Jadakiss got up there at the end. At the end.
Starting point is 01:07:46 Improv. And was still performing, hitting every note, every beat. Crowd control. Crowd control. Because when Juelz go and say, oh, y'all don't like women. Y'all ain't got no chick record. Skrt. Why do you do that?
Starting point is 01:07:58 No. That was crazy. No, no, no. That was nuts. That was almost like I was waiting for him to say this. You threw the ball right off the backboard to LeBron, and he caught that shit on the windmill and dunked on your face. One way to look at it, because that's exactly what happened. And after I thought that, I said, and he still showed mercy.
Starting point is 01:08:14 Yeah. He let off. Think about it. What happens in that building if throwback comes on? That's what I was thinking, too. What happens? Juelz dies in front of your face. No, nigga. They could have went Crescent, Michelle. What was the shit? was like, what happened? Jewels dies in front of your face. No nigga.
Starting point is 01:08:25 They could have went Crescent Michelle. What was the shit? Uh, nigga. What if Jaheim came? What if it's Jaheim? Did you know? You know the shit.
Starting point is 01:08:33 Like James. Listen, man, he was being, they got close to 20, like R&B girl records. You know what I'm saying? Like,
Starting point is 01:08:41 and to tell you how, just, just how uneven in terms of preparation, this was. Jewels is sitting there. Tell him, go ahead, go ahead. I know you're going to tell you just how uneven in terms of preparation this was, Juelz is sitting there telling him, go ahead, go ahead. I know you're going to play. We're going to make it. Nope.
Starting point is 01:08:51 Three, four, five more records. I still got more. Yeah. Ice, that was the moment that I sat in my living room and said, you know what? I hope this nigga Mary J. Jamboree's your face off right now. And then you know what came on? As soon as he, bam, bam.
Starting point is 01:09:07 As soon as he said it, yo. The shit was funny. I said it. As soon as he said it, it was funny too. This one is over. As soon as he said it, this is over, man.
Starting point is 01:09:15 This is over. Listen, round of applause way through. Let me just go through the rest. New York. Do we? No, you don't have to. Yeah, because that was
Starting point is 01:09:24 the moment though. No ideas, original. I didn't know that. I thought New York went No, you don't have to. No ideas. Original. I didn't know that. I thought New York went right up against Welcome to New York City. No, because it felt like it. It felt like it. I mean, it felt like it. It felt like it.
Starting point is 01:09:34 It felt like it. It felt like it. It felt like it. It felt like it. It felt like it. It felt like it. It felt like it. It felt like it.
Starting point is 01:09:35 It felt like it. It didn't matter. It didn't matter. That makes it even worse. It didn't matter. Because at that point, we're not going round by round. We already lost the fight. It felt like it.
Starting point is 01:09:42 We already lost the fight. He was in the kitchen looking for some snacks at that point. He's done. This was over at that point. You couldn't even hear Jay-Z. New York came on Jairo
Starting point is 01:09:51 certified gangsters. We do what I thought it was going to do. They were playing even though the locks was going first. If you look at like that second half there
Starting point is 01:10:03 they was playing responses. Yeah, they was playing responses yeah they were playing responses like dog the DJ was already prepped to say when y'all niggas
Starting point is 01:10:10 play ballin go exactly Benjamins is coming next no matter what when y'all play welcome to New York City New York
Starting point is 01:10:18 New York New York is coming next right and then Jada gave his little intro right before the shit dropped and it was a wrap
Starting point is 01:10:28 and they didn't have to stop and talk they didn't do nothing it was yo yo this is what we gonna do and then at the very end the locks just start playing five albums per set
Starting point is 01:10:38 five songs per set like we gonna yeah cause no what happened I remember clear after all about the Benjamins Dipset played Dipset Anthem that's when Juelz
Starting point is 01:10:46 was telling him yo go ahead and play We Gon' Make It cause at that point they were saying these are the last songs and then
Starting point is 01:10:53 and then and then he came with Wild Out but I'm just saying hold up hold up you think Dipset Anthem is going to make me play
Starting point is 01:11:03 We Gon' Make It We Gon' Make It. Just the thinking. Just stop. Think about that for a minute. Happens all the time in spades, right? You got a high spade in your hand. Well, some of y'all don't know how to play.
Starting point is 01:11:14 You got a high spade in your hand. You're looking for another high spade. You play it. Get out the way. Get out the way. You got a little joke of moving. I'm going to make you move it. I'm going to make you move it.
Starting point is 01:11:24 But to play that game, you have to have one of the cards that make me move it. I was telling Ice, Dipset Anthem is one of my favorite Juelz records. But it's not to go in a conversation with the greatest locks records. None of them. None of them. None of them. You did say that. None of them.
Starting point is 01:11:44 Hey, Joe. None of them. You argue, Joe. You argue. Hold on. None of them. You them you did say that none of them hey Joe none of them you argue Joe you argue none of them you argue hold on
Starting point is 01:11:49 I'm going to address each of you Joe Ish Parks all the fans I was wrong hey
Starting point is 01:11:59 I was wrong a lot and this I dreaded coming in here. Phone been on fire. Yo, yo, we not talking about the verses because I got,
Starting point is 01:12:10 you got to walk all your shit back. Hey, look at this shit, fucking, all about the Benjamins, Wild Out, Kiss Your Ass Goodbye, Felony Niggas,
Starting point is 01:12:18 The Girl Set. Yeah. He plays Hey Ma and say, y'all don't have no girl records. Oh yeah? Holist. Oh boy, yeah, Hey Ma. Yeah, y'all don't have no girl records. Oh, yeah? Holist. Oh, boy, yeah, Hey Ma.
Starting point is 01:12:26 Yeah, Holist clip. Good times, fucking World War II. They lucky that he didn't get it. I think that was last day, not Kiss Your Ass Goodbye. When are they squeezing last day? I heard it at some point. I heard that.
Starting point is 01:12:37 Oh, that was later. That was later. I heard last day. Yeah, that was later. God damn. I didn't think last day would come on. Me neither. And then this is when you know, this is what you've been knew that Kiss was in full control. That was later. God damn. I didn't think Last Day would come on. Me neither.
Starting point is 01:12:46 And then this is when you know, this is what you've been knew that Kiss was in full control. But Tech played Made You Look. And Kiss said, no, no, yo, yo, yo. Cut that off. That's a non-song. That's non-shit.
Starting point is 01:12:57 Uh-uh, uh-uh. We don't want to get no points off nobody else. I don't have to go that far to handle this. I can handle this. Yo, just put far to handle this. I can handle this. Yo, just put a beat on. And I can handle this. Don't play that. Made you look. You know what that is? You can win it to Money Power Respect.
Starting point is 01:13:15 Like, this is a beat. Money Power Respect, buy your side, come through, put your hand. But when Come Through came on, I thought the building was going to burn down. I couldn't believe that came on. Like, the way it came on. See, it thought the building was going to burn down. I couldn't believe that came on. Like, the way it came on. See, it was about who you was partying with.
Starting point is 01:13:32 Some of the young people, the young people, Saban, you would have never, this is what I mean, you would have never been, you've never been in a party where Come Through was the record that could have got you killed. Maybe Ante Up, maybe some of the classic, just the classic records that'll get you killed. But the other records, like Come Through,
Starting point is 01:13:48 Norrie used to have a set of records that would get you killed. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Shit, it still does, probably. Yeah. In the right spot. Yeah, thank God
Starting point is 01:13:57 all these niggas are married, got wives, they done moved to Miami, they done went somewhere. That was the funny shit. This battle, verses went over, Styles went backstage
Starting point is 01:14:07 with his wife, posted a beautiful picture. I love his family. I love his wife. Posted a picture. Niggas got in their family bag. Kiss took the Mamba picture. It was back to family.
Starting point is 01:14:16 It was just family vibes. Yeah, like this was That shit was at the office. Yeah, like another day at work. Then niggas jumped on the jet. Word. Went to go do some Ye shit. I think that's super dope.
Starting point is 01:14:28 And while I'm glad they on the album, I think it's a little clout chasey. Which is part of it. No, it is. Very much so. No, it is clout chasey. Very much so. How do you mean for Ye to bring them?
Starting point is 01:14:39 So you're saying if Dipset wins, he brings them down the stairs? No. That's a funny internet joke. I like that joke. It said the locks wanted Don to placement. Which is cool. But the same thing that I said to drama earlier, I'm saying to Kanye.
Starting point is 01:14:55 Same thing I said to Savon earlier, I'm saying to Kanye. Kanye, you are one of our brightest brains when it comes to music. You have arguably the best catalog ever when it comes to music, your ear and your eye,
Starting point is 01:15:13 the way that your mind just works. You're not sheep. You're not, you don't do none of that. You innovate, you fix you the same way that you have regarded push a T. Even when the world didn't regard him that way, that's the yay I'm talking about. That yay don't need to wait for the rest of the world to say that the locks is the locks.
Starting point is 01:15:34 True. That's just a fact. There's nothing that nobody can say to me to change my mind on this. Do you think it's that or do you think, though? It's hip hop. It's the business. No, it's just almost too like an out of out-of-sight, out-of-mind. It also could have been just a scheduling thing,
Starting point is 01:15:47 where this is the time that it worked for them. Shut up. Not for nothing. Shut up. No. Hell no, Parks. Well, he was flying out fucking various producers of that cloth. He was flying out Griselda.
Starting point is 01:15:56 Let's not waste time. He's been flying everybody out for over two years. Stop it. It's not a scheduling thing. It's okay. There's nothing wrong here. Like, don't take what I'm saying okay there's nothing wrong here like don't everything don't take what i'm saying anytime jada has something to do the honeymoon honeymooners was
Starting point is 01:16:12 on when when kanye said the jet but guess what it's jada he got respect for this shit he's coming he's coming if you if you say if you say come so yeah I think that the locks should have been one of the calls. You got that beautiful, amazing gospel sounding shit going over there. The locks only ever sound good only over any beat. Any type.
Starting point is 01:16:34 Right? I was sitting there watching that Kanye shit. Fucking JLX went off with all that mambo-jumbo shit I didn't want to hear. And then the locks came on. Sheik first. Sheik first.
Starting point is 01:16:46 Sheik first. Sheik first. Because I was like, is that? I'm telling you how. Oh, shit. It's not a knock to Jay Elect, also another one of our greatest MCs. I'm telling you how I felt in my bedroom with my red lights on watching this shit. I didn't want to hear that shit right then.
Starting point is 01:17:01 I'm one day a Sheik over gospel music. And that's what i got so why the fuck he ain't make that call before no need to worry about it no it got me out of sight it got made it got made so great lebron jadakiss is the most underrated rapper ever no he's not isn't shut the far from yo it's okay to not say nothing or when you say something don't put it on him put it on you jadakiss styles and chic are the exact same killers they've always been. That's true. Nothing has changed. Parks has gone on
Starting point is 01:17:51 for half a many episodes about styles only while the Sheik think he's quiet keeps putting out phenomenal hip hop projects. Yeah. Every year.
Starting point is 01:18:00 A couple of years sometimes. He's consistent. He's only Tom Brady-ing it while running... Cal Ripken, Iron Man shit. While running juice shops. Yeah. While having lost child.
Starting point is 01:18:11 Yeah. Like, I don't get into the rap. I get into what is going on. Prayers to Fetty Wap. Again. Because I haven't stopped thinking about you every day this week.
Starting point is 01:18:20 I can't imagine it. I can't picture losing a child in hip-hop. i don't know how that goes so to watch some of you brothers go through the things that y'all go through man that shit is inspiring to me i admire i admire so many people in rap just for how y'all go about life i forgot what i was talking about. Back to the battle.
Starting point is 01:18:47 The locks won. You don't know what you're talking about, LeBron. The locks. It'd be okay to just be quiet sometimes. I'm just saying, underrated?
Starting point is 01:18:54 No. Jada's never been underrated. At no point in life. LeBron was engulfed in basketball. And I was about to say, LeBron grew up
Starting point is 01:19:04 in Ohio. He had a lot going on. But Kiss, top five dead or alive, and that's just off one LP. That was a real thing. Yeah, I was about to say, that's been really long. That wasn't just a line. That was like a, yeah. Cameron tried to fire back.
Starting point is 01:19:21 Yo, y'all niggas is like the greatest side dish ever. Y'all niggas is like the greatest side dish ever y'all niggas is like the best version of rice and peas like when y'all gonna get into y'all bag that was misplaced that was a mistake the good sides go with everything so if you're gonna piss him off and make him get into side bag, where I'm going to play nothing but features now and stuff?
Starting point is 01:19:52 I got those. No. I got a lot of those, too. No. You can't name a box that I can't check. You don't say that to him. You don't say that to him. But that comes from underestimating your opponent
Starting point is 01:20:03 and not being well-versed and well-prepared battle i'm not gonna say that's all that is my final culmination is because any of the people that really know me y'all already know what my final culmination is and let me tell you i better not never hear it again again it's over for that it's over hey they could guess silence silence. Hey, they can guess. Silence, silence, silence. You know, you know. I know. A few other people know. Some of y'all out there know.
Starting point is 01:20:36 From now until I leave Earth, I never want to hear it again. Been a recent argument the last few years. Never again. No, he went to kick a freestyle. This old. Got booed in New York. Come on, my nigga. Yeah, that hurt me. That hurt me.
Starting point is 01:20:46 That hurt me. I ain't going to hold you. And the crowd was mostly Harlem. Like Fat Joe said, yo, Harlem was thick in the building, which we can all assume. And you got booed, my nigga. That hurt. That was bad.
Starting point is 01:21:00 If Jadakiss would have went over there and tried to kick a freestyle, it would have been a church mouse peeing on cotton in that bitch. They would have been quiet give me more sir like yo that that was a telltale right there i've only seen something i love paid and full like the rest of y'all i do i do oh man look he up there still being funny nah because what it did was it made what it did was
Starting point is 01:21:32 it made you just look at things in hindsight Cam was funny on suck it or not Cam was funny on on a bunch of shit Cam was funny on oh boy
Starting point is 01:21:42 Cam has been funny on mad shit. And we love it. But when it ain't funny, how you gonna fuck that girl? When she not laughing at your jokes, how you gonna get her? I saw the Cam video freestyling in front of the projects. The internet went crazy. Yeah, I remember that. He killed it.
Starting point is 01:22:07 I know. But then with your niggas that was tuned in for your freestyle, now win the other audience, win the other crowd. It's easy to beat a nigga up from around your way. The Knicks had home court advantage in
Starting point is 01:22:21 four to seven games. Niggas going to cheer. We did the beacon. We sold out the beacon, New York City. I'm from New York, New Jersey. Niggas going to cheer. I've left town to go rap too. And cheering.
Starting point is 01:22:42 Different environment. But no, that's my point. When you get booed at home, he could have never expected that. Like I said, I only seen this happen one other time. Back to back, twice. He even was like, oh shit. But if you didn't expect that,
Starting point is 01:22:55 then you have slept on New York. And if you slept on New York, it tells me you might not be so in tune with New York. Yeah, but there's certain people, Joe, that you just don't. Like what? Like who and like what? No, no, I'm just- In New York City, like who and like what?
Starting point is 01:23:09 Yeah, nigga, you're not going to ever. If somebody was to tell me last week, yo, Cam can get booed in New York, I wouldn't believe that. Team Patrick Ewing get booed in New York. What are we talking about? I'm talking about Cameron Giles, bro. I'm saying that he's on the list. That's like somebody saying the Locks could get booed in New York.
Starting point is 01:23:25 Or Hov could get booed in Brooklyn. Like, no, you just don't expect that to ever happen. It sounds very far-fetched if somebody say it. Like, yeah, yeah, whatever. That's never gonna happen. If you've never put yourself in the mind of having to perform in front of different audiences. We watched not even too long ago, we watched
Starting point is 01:23:42 Drake get booed. We watched Drake come out as a surprise guest on Tyler the Creator's Festival, I think that was, and have a slew of hits to do. I would've loved to be there. And they booed that nigga right off the stage.
Starting point is 01:23:57 Let me finish. Know what I said sitting at home? Boy, they fucked that up. I would've loved to see that show. But guess what? They wasn't here to see that show. But guess what? It wasn't there to see that. So we booing. But even with that, that wasn't in Toronto.
Starting point is 01:24:13 Good point. Drake walk on the stage at anybody's show in Toronto. They're not doing that. That's what I'm saying. This is home. That's a difference. This is home
Starting point is 01:24:22 where you are considered a legend. That does not happen. In a Harlem thick crowd. It don't happen, period. That's a difference. This is home where you are considered a legend. That does not happen. In a Harlem thick crowd. It don't happen, period. That's true. Bronx thick crowd. Like I said, the only other time I've seen this happen was in Philly. And Cassidy got booed in Philly.
Starting point is 01:24:35 And I would never have thought that would happen. I watched Kobe Bryant get booed in Philadelphia. Yeah, because he played for the Lakers. He played for the. He's not Philly. He's not a Philly native. he's not a kid that grew up in Philly nigga grew up overseas and came to
Starting point is 01:24:49 it's different Kobe Bryant wasn't getting it in the mud it's Philly it's different I didn't put Philly on the map this nigga came you was outside I hate to keep going back to this time and these arguments but you were outside when Jay versus Nas was happening.
Starting point is 01:25:08 Both from New York. So both audiences from New York. And while New York is a dot on a piece of paper, it was big enough to where you could feel the divide, right? When 50 and Cam had their phone call. When 50 and Styles had their phone call. When 50 and Styles had his phone call. I can name mad times where two of the biggest New York acts ever went at it and could feel the divide here. I was listening to, I might have been Puff or one of them that was involved in the Big Pac shit when that was going on.
Starting point is 01:25:44 They was recently telling a story. It might have been C's. I don't remember. And they was saying when that shit was going on, oh, it was Puff or one of them that was involved in the Big Pac shit when that was going on. They was recently telling a story. It might have been C's. I don't remember. And they were saying when that shit was going on, oh, it was Puck. And they went to the club and hit him up. Well, come on. That shit was so fucking powerful that we had to tell him to cut that shit off. Because New York niggas was playing hit him up and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.
Starting point is 01:26:00 What I'm saying is, yeah, you home. It could happen at home. You just don't expect it to happen at home. That's all I'm saying is yeah you home it can happen at home you just don't expect it to happen at home that's all I'm saying to certain names shit we could go people booed I remember fucking
Starting point is 01:26:13 John 50 Boat was from Queens and 106 entire crowd in New York booed the shit out of John you've seen people's audiences turn on you yeah absolutely this was like a but this is this is different I don't know how to
Starting point is 01:26:28 this is a Harlem thick crowd you are the home I don't want to say favorite they kind of were the favorite they might have been the favorite they were this was different to see this happen bruh that's all I'm saying this right here you don't see every day
Starting point is 01:26:44 okay but listen to this. The night went how it went. So, by the time this point happened to the battle, we was done keeping score. Wasn't nothing he could have did. However, if it was freestyle time
Starting point is 01:26:59 and your lead MC, who many people have as a killer, who looks great and has a great slew of hits, walks to the front of the stage, grabs the mic and says, I said, yo, no beat, no music, no nothing. You expect that to happen? I'm not talking about what he expected now now i'm talking about
Starting point is 01:27:28 what you expected did you expect what you got from him at the tip of that stage to happen no he looks no no no just say no no just say no no no the answer is no of No. Just say no. No. The answer's no. Of course not. The answer's no. Of course not. For me, the answer is no. However, if Fantastic Four Cam steps in the front of that stage and says, I said, yo, you're listening, and something's coming. It's happening. Agreed. Like. He look too cool.
Starting point is 01:27:59 He ain't even really look. He's a legacy act, man. Everybody that participates in this is a legacy act. But you got to get with the people that, and I'm done talking about this now. I'm just talking about, I'm opening it up. You got to get with people that still actually want to do music or just want to be involved in music or look like they care about music. Like, I'm retired, but deep down somewhere somewhere in here there's passionate bones about music like we can't have these talks where i just don't get up about music cam just don't didn't look like that i'm not i'm not i'm not trying to guess what was in his heart but he did not look like that's
Starting point is 01:28:38 kind of what i've been saying the entire yeah show it came off as I don't really care about this. It came off as paid in full to me that was taping himself fucking his girl. Did you watch the whole Fat Joe shit? The whole what Fat Joe shit? Recap. Shit he did? Yeah. How long was that? 47 minutes. It was long. 47 minutes.
Starting point is 01:29:00 That shit was hilarious. He said Cam was about to leave. He said Cam was on his way out the door When Jim and them niggas Was going to the stage Cam was leaving He said that? He said that He said Cam was leaving
Starting point is 01:29:12 Till he heard The nigga Michael Buffa And all of them start saying The dip set He turned around That's why he was late Remember Cam came after Jim To the stage
Starting point is 01:29:22 Fat Joe said the nigga was leaving He said yo I think they call this the tea I'm gonna give y'all some tea Remember, Cam came after Jimena to the stage. Fat Joe said the nigga was leaving. He said, yo, I think they call this the tea. I'm going to give you all some tea. This is my Jopra moment. No, I better not find out. That's true. That's what he said.
Starting point is 01:29:35 He said, yo, this is. I got to hear it myself. I got to hear that myself. Paul. No, I ain't got to pull it. Because I don't really want to hear it. Yo, he said. I don't want to hear him say that. That puts a lot of things in perspective.
Starting point is 01:29:43 That's going to change my view on a lot. I told you, he did not want to be there. He said't want to hear him say that. That puts a lot of things in perspective. That's going to change my view on a lot. I told you, he did not want to be there. You can see it. He said Cam was leaving. That's all I've been saying. He said, yo, this is what they call it, the tea? I'm going to give y'all some tea. This nigga's whole demeanor was like, yo, I don't want to be here.
Starting point is 01:29:59 I don't want to do this shit. I don't even fuck with everybody. Nobody here. I thought you saw that. Yeah. He said Cam was leaving. Which is the other reason. And. I thought you saw that. Yeah. Remember Cam came late. Jim and them was already on stage. And niggas was like, where the fuck is Cam?
Starting point is 01:30:12 Cam came after all of them. Said, yo, the nigga was leaving. He was about to leave. There's some things in hip hop that Joe will never want to hear again. I feel you. That's disheartening.
Starting point is 01:30:28 If true. No, it's true. No, that's true. No, it's true. See, that's why I love verses, man. This shit was beautiful. Like, Dipset versus the Lox? Home.
Starting point is 01:30:43 In Manhattan. Home in your, you was home. This wasn't beautiful. They was in the garden. Despite it being a bloodbath, it was beautiful. Home. In Manhattan. Home in your, you was home. This wasn't. It was in the garden. Despite it being a bloodbath, it was beautiful. It wasn't beautiful. It was, it was. And I like the fact
Starting point is 01:30:51 that they could do all the wild, taking off bandanas, kicking each other, doing all that shit and still hug it up and piece it up at the end and all that shit. The sportsmanship
Starting point is 01:30:58 that was shown from both sides, the camaraderie that was shown on both sides. They have a tour coming. What camaraderie? That shown on both sides they have a tour coming what a crazy tour that's a different level to me though where you can talk shit
Starting point is 01:31:09 to each other and about each other for weeks on end and go on stage and do shit that would normally end up in a fight but we still cool man
Starting point is 01:31:17 we all grow you know what I'm saying that's what that is that's what that is we're all mature adults we know what this is a lot of the younger internet generation get offended by one little thing. You know what I'm saying?
Starting point is 01:31:27 Younger generation don't understand. We don't really have a personal beef, though. Styles said we talked about this prior. We said we were going to get chippy. We were going to get paid. There's going to be nobody inviting to no manhood. We're not going to say none of that. As long as nobody says suck my dick, which I love that rule because it's such a New York rule.
Starting point is 01:31:44 That's a New York rule. You don't invite nobody to your dick. As long as nobody says suck my dick, I love that rule because it's such a New York rule. That's a New York rule. You don't invite nobody to your dick. As long as nobody says suck my dick say whatever you want. Right. Why is that such a thing
Starting point is 01:31:52 in New York? That's very disrespectful as a man. I know it is but that's not getting me to fight you. Let me just tell anybody out there
Starting point is 01:31:58 you can tell me suck your dick all you want. That's not getting me to come out of my character and fight you. But I understand New York. Depending on where
Starting point is 01:32:03 it is in New York that's like it's never getting me to do nothing. I'm not going to suck dick. It's going to take a lot more than words to get you to do anything. I'm not that nigga. Words ain't going to do it. I'm a little more cerebral than that me, but I respect the niggas that's not. I don't know who is and who ain't, so I'm not going to play with you niggas.
Starting point is 01:32:21 I get it. But that ain't something I even run around saying a whole bunch. Word. But probably because I'm not going to play with you niggas. I get it. But that ain't something I even run around saying all the time. Word. But probably because I'm from New York. Right. Do people really say that out of town a lot? No. Women say it.
Starting point is 01:32:31 Men say it too? No, women say it all the time. New York women say it like, how was your day? Yeah. They say it like, how was your day? And they don't care about your response. Word. Something like that.
Starting point is 01:32:41 You don't have a dick. Yeah, but you ain't got one neither, you bitch. All right. I love you. You're right. I love you. Start with love. you don't have a dick yeah but you ain't got one neither you bitch alright I love you you're right I love you I don't even get how you yeah we gotta unpack how arguments happen
Starting point is 01:32:51 sometimes you ever try to stop the arguments be like yo I love you why we doing this to each other and then just turn it up more
Starting point is 01:32:57 yeah that's like a trigger I love you being a trigger you got to trigger me don't tell me calm down like yo yeah that's a calm down moment cause then you be done I love you being a trigger. You have to trigger me. Don't tell me calm down. Like, yo, yeah, that's a calm down moment. Because then you be done showing so much restraint at some point.
Starting point is 01:33:14 It's like, you know what, bitch? And then when that door open. Come on, moving on, moving on, moving on. I'm sitting there and I'm watching the Lox versus Dipset, two historically great groups for me. I want to take it off of my consumer critique mode and just really love and appreciate the locks and dip set. And not just the locks and dip set, but where we sit at the front of 2021, how we got to receive this hip hop shit. Right. Like this started at two
Starting point is 01:33:45 turntables in the mic and we got two of our most grittiest grimiest streetiest groups up there coming through apple tv talking about let's not fuck up the bag we got a tour to go on the world we're streaming in front of everybody and everybody gets to feel the essence of new york that was crazy to me on a Tuesday night in 2021 as I'm watching this. Right? And then I'm like, wait, these guys are the vets. They the OGs. Exactly. And then that got crazy
Starting point is 01:34:14 to me as I was watching it. Cool. And then Wednesday morning came and I was hung over from a euphoric high. I was hung over both ways because I was sipping. Dark liquor in the system high. I was hungover both ways because I was sipping by the time that shit came on. Yeah, really.
Starting point is 01:34:27 Dark liquor in the system. All I was doing was reading comments and everybody's appreciation of Jadakiss and the Lox. They said his streams, just Jadakiss, his streams are up like 200%
Starting point is 01:34:39 or something. 200%. He has five albums in the Apple top 200 now. That's amazing. As they should be. Yeah, that's nuts. As they should be. That's nuts.
Starting point is 01:34:46 As he should. So Wednesday, I'm still on the euphoric high from the Versus battle. Thursday night, the Kanye stream comes on. Oh, man. And he came out late, so I didn't get to it until it was already in motion. Same. Oh, so y'all didn't catch it from the beginning. Not from the top top. No.
Starting point is 01:35:08 I was watching something else. I have things to do. I was watching the Hall of Fame game, and then I had the other TV up. I was watching the Romeo doc on HBO, which is great. I had the OnlyFans screen on screen up where you could see her popping that pussy and see a whole nother chick popping pussy. At the same time.
Starting point is 01:35:28 Only fans three way. You got a pitch hand pitcher? Yeah, yeah. Only fans. And you can put it on your TV too. Sorry, yay. Wait, Joe, you streaming Only Fans
Starting point is 01:35:41 to your TV? How you watching? Don't. I'm just asking you. Wait, you don't? I don't have Only Fans. You OnlyFans to your TV? How you watching? Don't. I'm just asking you. Wait, you don't? I don't have OnlyFans. You just keep looking at your girl? Yeah.
Starting point is 01:35:51 Why? Look at y'all. Why y'all keep looking at your girl? What are we supposed to look at, Joe? All right. OnlyFans. For the rest of the podcast, I'm going to give you my only fans. So you can just get a little whiff.
Starting point is 01:36:09 You can take a look at it. I'm going to just go right to purchased. Here, man. Here, man. I don't need your purchased, bro. I don't need your purchased, man. You keep looking at your girl. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:36:19 Why? Because I'm cool. Look at what Z doing. Look. You don't want to see what's doing look you don't want to see what I don't need to see so I gave Rosa a little purchase
Starting point is 01:36:28 the other day she came blessed to part I came let me see what she doing in the shower no here no once you hit the little
Starting point is 01:36:35 swipe screen no press play y'all don't want to I don't know what's up with y'all I don't know how to maneuver it's a big button right there that's a play button
Starting point is 01:36:42 here go ahead man go ahead live your thing came off. Y'all just keep looking at your... You can look there, too. Yeah. There we go. Let me switch a little swipe screen for you.
Starting point is 01:36:52 Oh, man. That's stupid. That's not a problem, bro. There we go, man. Hit the little play button. Hit the button right there. Make it big for you. There you go.
Starting point is 01:36:59 Take a look. Now, back to the locks. Yo, so then Kanye shit comes on, right? As Ish looks at that. We don't even need you for this, Ish. We should just distract Ish while we go unpack all the music stuff. Yeah, yeah. Not that new shit.
Starting point is 01:37:14 Yeah, I don't. Listen. So the Ye shit comes on. I didn't catch it from the beginning. Okay. It was in motion when I caught it. And when I cut it on, boy, did it really make me appreciate just the journey of Kanye. I know maybe I sound cliches right now.
Starting point is 01:37:29 Maybe I sound corny and washed and trashed. As someone who has been a critic of all that MAGA bullshit he was doing, right? Same. And maybe I am hypocritical here. We all are. I've been saying this. But as I'm watching this culmination of who he is today because all we have is our experiences here and i said this last week on the pod too man
Starting point is 01:37:53 like you got to take the good and the bad with people or the ying and the yang with people like to get rid of kanye and all that he's provided means that you get rid of all that he's provided. And as a music lover, I would never want to say something like that. To know who Kanye's influences are, who his inspirations are. He only reminds us every second he gets fucking Walt Disney and fucking Tesla and fucking Einstein. And who's the other guy? Steve Jobs. All of the greatest minds like like and and we could laugh at them some people do not many people think on that type of
Starting point is 01:38:35 that yeah yeah yeah yeah so it's funny a lot of people but when you see things like the second listening party on apple and the amount of attention paid to detail and the three separate roles the three separate roles of people in the all black the vests that say donda that i'm not really certain the correlation there but i know there is one because we're dealing with conye um when you see just the different images on the on the screen that's not even a screen it looks like a sheet yeah it looks like something just beautiful when he exits the stage rising up like some type of grandiose Hamilton display like it made me think of him showing videos on against the brick wall on apartment buildings in new york city i remember that it made me think of the the the when he went and grabbed the mic from the from and said whatever
Starting point is 01:39:31 he said about beyonce when taylor swift was winning it made me think of the mike myers interview it just made me think of every kanye moment and it was just a very beautiful display of where he is and what he learned and got from all of those moments presented in a very 2021 fashion to me that's my main takeaway is that as you sit and you observe and you consume and you monetize and you pay attention to what other people are doing things that are working for them things that may work for you as you really try to get ingratiated with this new decade because we're at the top of a new decade last year i spoke i spoke a lot about all the things that were changing the the the transactionally and stock in the world and the news and the pandemic and the government and the
Starting point is 01:40:22 music and everybody has to get re-acclimated readjusted we have to relearn we have to unlearn we have to figure out how we want our next 10 years to look and in terms of music when i look and listen it all sounds futuristic it all looks futuristic i'm watching the kids honor and praise the locks and i grew up on the locks i don't feel like i'm melly mal but that's where we are today i'm listening to young berg flip anniversary and all these other r&b classics that i grew up on and reintroducing them to the kids today. Like that's important. I'm watching them. They did a new, what is it?
Starting point is 01:41:10 Oh, Marvel. Them nigga. They didn't redid some, some shit, some shit they redid and remade and reintroduced. And now it's fly for the kids. And I'm like,
Starting point is 01:41:18 yo, I imagine this is what our parents felt like, like raising us. Right. Remember like when bell bottoms came back for a second and our parents were like, yeah, man, everything comes back. And he was like, yeah, but bell bottoms?
Starting point is 01:41:31 That came back, that bull tie-dye is back. Like that, like. And it did it again. The simulation just keeps repeating and we don't know it because we weren't here for the previous simulation but a lot of people but looking at this verses and looking at kanye and how he presented himself in the mask and just all of it uh very current lyrics about where we are with the pandemic and covid and everything
Starting point is 01:42:00 was just current current current and then that led me right into a Nas album. Nas, who I first heard in 90, 91-ish. I remember my first time hearing It Ain't Hard to Tell on the radio. They had to play it in Mixshow after a war tour. They played it after a commercial smash, and they were breaking like a new record. And I was a kid. Didn't even know I wanted to rap yet.
Starting point is 01:42:31 Listening, saying, what the fuck is he talking about? What's not hard to tell. That's what I remember from that. So for him to be the guy that and that was 91 ish and i said damn he kicked that year he kicked that decade off right i didn't even pay attention to how he set off my decade back then that won't fall on me this time it's 2021 and naz
Starting point is 01:43:02 the guy who we said can't pick a beat, the guy who we thought was over when Ether came out, was over. We counted him out time and time again. Now we, but you know what I'm saying. Yeah, the internet. He is the person. I see the consistent point that you're making. Yes.
Starting point is 01:43:16 I see what you're doing. I like that. He is the person, almost like Jadakiss going first with the freestyle. I know you got your whole catalog. Cool, y'all do what you're doing. Nas is almost taking the baton at the top of 20, at the mid-2021 and saying, yo, this is what it looks like, y'all.
Starting point is 01:43:36 Not for the drill niggas, not for the young niggas, not for the killer niggas, but for the people that understand this, hey, here, this is what it's supposed to sound like. Right here. It don't matter that Nas is not the most lyrical Nas that we've ever heard right now. That don't matter. Agreed.
Starting point is 01:43:52 Don't highlight it. Don't even stop. I shouldn't even said it. It don't matter what him and Hit-Boy are doing together. And Hit-Boy made a mention of this. He said this. I would play the clip, but we cooking so much that I'm going to just keep going. Hit-Boy was like, yo, dawg.
Starting point is 01:44:06 Actually, the clip was so powerful, I will play it. He was saying, yo, dawg, it just be me and Nas in the studio. Actually, I'm not playing it. He said, it just be me and Nas in the studio. Only us. Not on Twitter. Not on Instagram. Not our clicks.
Starting point is 01:44:26 Not our friends. Not our entourages. It'd be me and bro locked in. That's dope. He'd be rapping and I'd be working on the beats. That's dope. And then we give this to you. We don't preview it. We don't hype it.
Starting point is 01:44:38 We just give it to you. It's yours. That's what he said. That's dope. Very similar to what Jadakiss said on that stage to Cameron when he said yo i don't do twitter i don't do instagram that's what i do right i don't do the internet period i don't do the internet that resonated with me because i've well it resonates with me because i've always done the internet i've always done the internet. I've always done the internet. And I was the guy that kept encountering
Starting point is 01:45:08 the niggas like Kiss and that whole era that raised me because they didn't understand the internet. They didn't do it. What's he doing? And why is he talking? Shut the fuck up. He correct. But shut the fuck up. They didn't get that
Starting point is 01:45:23 and they still don't get it. They don't live by that. They don't care. They don't care up they didn't get that and they still don't get it they don't live by that they don't care they don't care if they don't get it I'ma do what I do and what I do and it work for them
Starting point is 01:45:34 and what I do what I'm great at will never not work and that be my point about why it's shut the fuck up week you know how many arguments I've had about Lauryn Hill I've had some on this podcast with niggas And that be my point about why it's shut the fuck up week. You know how many arguments I've had about Lauryn Hill?
Starting point is 01:45:49 I've had some on this podcast with niggas. Yo, she ain't a rapper. I don't see her as a rapper. She's a singer. But that album wasn't even rap. It wasn't. Okay. Behold this.
Starting point is 01:46:01 Take that. You're right. But your favorites can't do what she do. But somebody that can do that, whenever they feel like it, should be honored as that. Yeah. I don't care what they're doing. Michael Jordan went to play baseball. Still my control. Know why?
Starting point is 01:46:19 He went to play baseball. Hey, I don't like what's happening over here at the team. They was throwing out my dad. I'm sick. I'm like, whatever went on, nobody looked at Michael Jordan
Starting point is 01:46:28 as a baseball player and said, oh, I'll try his chin on a basketball court. Like, Lauryn Hill, a doo-wop, come on,
Starting point is 01:46:35 that thing, come on, that, that, killing me softly, the air in the sky, everything with his song. Why would you fall for that?
Starting point is 01:46:50 That was one of them niggas I was talking about. Man. Why would you fall for that? Whenever she feels like it, the score, Lauren, can show up. No, before that. The nappy heads, Lauren, can show up. Yes. That one.
Starting point is 01:47:05 When nobody could rap but her. Hey, it was only me in Jersey City who liked Nappy Heads. I was telling everybody, yo, you hear this? It sounded funny to them. She gets busy. But then they got to do that. Little cute ass little. Until she get going.
Starting point is 01:47:25 Stupid me. I fell for it, too. That's why this is student week. Like, even if you know you could get lost in the bullshit that's going on, because we surrounded by bullshit, I saw Lauryn Hill's name and said, great, we get to hear Lauryn Hill. Awesome.
Starting point is 01:47:44 I wonder what she'll sing it'll sound beautiful thought it was gonna be a hook or something but I was excited about that yeah yeah yeah I was excited sing
Starting point is 01:47:51 I wasn't questioning it so when Nas first verse went off and then I didn't hear a hook and then the second verse came on and I didn't hear a hook I said to myself Nas no the and I didn't hear Hook I said to myself Nas no the fuck you didn't
Starting point is 01:48:07 you didn't fucking give me a Lauryn Hill vocal sample and then put featuring Lauryn hey dumb other niggas can do that you can't and before I could finish to say it I love being wrong finished the sentence. Oh!
Starting point is 01:48:28 I love being wrong. I love when you just gotta shut the fuck up. I was in my room and said, see, shut the fuck up. And then she went. And she ain't stopped. And then the first eight stopped and she didn't stop. And then the 16 stopped and she didn't stop.
Starting point is 01:48:44 Then it got to 20 and she was still going then it got to 20 and she was still going it got to 24 she was still going and it was all making sense it was all saying the same thing in a different way for the idiots for us out here that question why she's not on time she's not on time because she's busy. Saving souls, I think. That's what happens when somebody's not on time. They were doing something. Yeah, me. I'll tell you that next time.
Starting point is 01:49:17 It's like, no, keep going. You got to get the mail at some point, right? No? Yo, go ahead, man. You want to talk about mail? Nah, I don't. Then don't interrupt me then. You opened the door.
Starting point is 01:49:29 If you don't want to talk about mail, then don't. You opened the door. I was talking about Lauren. No, no, no. It's Elbow. I got it. Come on, man. Come on, man.
Starting point is 01:49:39 So she was occupied with some things. Lauren came on and put on a master class clinic, and it somehow felt like the only verse that we needed to hear from her. Yeah. Made up for lost time. We didn't need nothing else. At 46 years old. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:49:59 And when she came on, I immediately got into the mind of Rhapsody. I immediately got into the mind of rhapsody i immediately got into the mind of jean gray i immediately got into the mind of all of these other lyrical miracle female phenomenal rappers and mcs when they're listening to one of the guy goats and you hear a girl goat come on. And I won't say handle things, but why not? Maybe not make you miss the previous voice. I wanted her voice to continue. I wanted her to keep going because you couldn't drive that point that she was making home enough. And for some of the people that did not hear it and you'd like to hear it.
Starting point is 01:50:43 Here it goes all my time has been focused on my freedom now why would i join them when i know that i can beat them now they put their words on me and they can eat them now that's probably why they keep on telling me i'm needed now they tried to box me out while taking what they want from me i spent too many years living too uncomfortably making room for people who didn't like the labor, but wanted the spoils greedy selfish behavior Now let me give it to you balance it with clarity. I don't need to turn myself into a parody I don't do the shit you do for popularity They clearly didn't understand when I said I get out apparently my awareness like Keanu in the matrix
Starting point is 01:51:22 I'm saving souls and y'all complaining about my lateness. That is illegal for someone to walk in greatness. They want the same, they want the same, but they don't take risks. Now the world will get to see its own reflections. And the anointed can pursue their own direction. And if you're wrong and you're too proud to hear correction, walk into the hole you dug yourself up a projection. Keep me in my freedom, taking all my land back. They said a lot against me, thinking I just stand back. I got my legs beneath me freedom taking all my land back. They said a lot against me thinking I just stand back.
Starting point is 01:51:46 I got my legs beneath me. I got my hands back. A lot of people sabotaged. They couldn't stand that. I got my legs beneath me, Ice. I got my hands back. A lot of people sabotaged. I got my hands back. They couldn't
Starting point is 01:52:03 stand that. That's an amazing verse. There's nothing I can say about that verse. Gracious, gracious. Well, let me break it down for some of the people who might not understand what she's saying. It's real simple. She's saying it's all fucked up. All of it. Everything.
Starting point is 01:52:21 Every last bit of it is fucked up. So much so, it could fuck you up. It fucked her up. That's what she's saying. She's saying it's so fucked up that the shit you could fucking, the hole that you dig, that you want someone else in, you could end up in it. She's saying a lot.
Starting point is 01:52:44 But the point is, it's all in it. She's saying a lot. But the point is. It's all fucked up. She had to regain herself. And now that she did. She stands for the total opposite of all the shit that people say she shit. From music. And I'll let y'all beat the shit out of me for 20 years. I've taken it all.
Starting point is 01:53:01 For 20 years? Quietly. Tendered me in some areas y'all have complained about the most jovial shit ever 20 something years actually you take me for granted you've always taken me for granted i don't feel like you deserve me you do not have me naz is my man so that's why i'm here now but i'm leaving again i turned the other cheek i took blow after blow there's so much crisis in the world because you reap what you sow when you keep what you know is meant for someone
Starting point is 01:53:31 else did you dig for them you might just end up in yourself i'm in the secret place i keep a sacred space they keep showing their hands but keep hiding their face I keep a sacred space They keep showing their hands Always meant for someone else The did you dig for them You might just end up in yourself I'm in a secret place I keep a sacred space
Starting point is 01:53:58 They keep showing their hands But keep hiding their face She's a killer man She is Always handsome Always well-behaved I don't know who out there hide in their face. She's a killer, man. She is. Always handspitting, always smoking. I don't know who out there. It was a lot of y'all out there
Starting point is 01:54:10 that didn't seem to understand that this woman is a stone cold killer. Put your hand down. He said it was a lot of y'all out there. I'm in a secret place. I mean a sacred space. Yo, don't look for me. Don't worry about it. I'm good. I ain't thirsty to show y'all. Y'all don't look for me Don't worry about it
Starting point is 01:54:26 I ain't thirsty to show y'all Y'all don't need to feel me I'm around But nah Nah They keep Showing their hands behind Did you dig for them you might just end up in yourself
Starting point is 01:54:44 I'm in the secret place I keep a sacred space They keep showing their hands behind Did you dig for them You might just end up in yourself I'm in the secret place I keep a sacred space They keep showing their hands But keep hiding their face Oh god Yeah that's how the killers feel man They observe different If I'm a messenger
Starting point is 01:54:56 You block me Then you block the message So aggressive The world you made Is what you're left with Pride and ego Over love and truth Is fucking reckless
Starting point is 01:55:03 Y'all niggas got a death wish The stupid leaves me breathless now i gotta get her birth chart y'all tease me all the time i gotta get that girl birth chart because i don't know these nung boobity boobity niggas this is where i was raised i feel you me too this me too you wanna get on the pod and talk this all day I'm here no no we won't
Starting point is 01:55:28 I don't wanna we wanna appeal to somebody I don't wanna I don't wanna we'll give it a moment I know I'm just saying look
Starting point is 01:55:36 nigga you want yeah play moments next hey hey hey hey
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Starting point is 01:55:43 hey hey hey hey hey hey hey hey hey hey hey hey hey hey hey hey hey hey hey Hey, screen man. Yeah, but that's kind of what I mean about it being like shut the fuck up week, man. Right? Like I said I need this woman's birth chart.
Starting point is 01:55:56 You gave me the month she was born. No, I need it more. Fam. Uh Fam You let us do this It's okay My brother saw him, champ told him nothing is real Gave me the chills, thought about it, that's how I feel We on autopilot, no captain behind the wheel My whole career I steered away from features But I figured it's perfect timing to embrace new leaders Accepting my position as the master teacher I make cash deposits before the first flashy diamonds, that's waterworks
Starting point is 01:56:41 Sassy models, the curviest brothers you knew From the sandbox who do you the dirtiest Government assistance, poverty is big business Come on, fam. So the Kanye stream went off. I'm not going to answer this. I'm not going to answer this. Then why'd you do it? I'm sorry. Then why'd you do it?
Starting point is 01:57:00 I'm sorry. The Kanye stream went off abruptly, and I just got the words, this show has ended on the bottom of my screen, and the screen was black. But I was so blown away that I just stared at the black screen for the next, who knows how long it was. But when I looked up, it was past 12. And I said, oh, all right. Let me go see what Nas is doing.
Starting point is 01:57:22 Because I know this crazy nigga ain't dropping uh Kanye so so I go in and Nas is out and I go play track one uh the musician in me when I hear track one I kind of know what you're doing with the front of your album if you know how to make album and I said all right it's cool second song was cool third song was cool. Third song was cool. It sounded like a really, really, really great follow-up to King's Disease. He got to track four, and I was really happy to hear EPMD. I was even happy to hear Em there, because I know how much he adores EPMD and Nas. So much so that he went on and did all
Starting point is 01:58:05 of that shit that he did there and we'll save that for another time but Rear came on and I said oh okay and then you know the Vibe came on and I said okay but then
Starting point is 01:58:23 Store Run came on. That's the turning point. Right there. Yep. So you're telling me listen from store run. Because mind you, after you know the vibe, I was tired. It was late at night. The Kanye shit just went off.
Starting point is 01:58:36 My brain ain't right. Your ears hear differently at nighttime than they do in the morning. Absolutely. I know that. So I don't want to hear some shit with my nighttime ears. I want to hear what it sounds like. So after, you know, the vibes, I was going to bed, really.
Starting point is 01:58:50 Maybe after store run, I was like, all right, let me put this up. And then Moments came on. That is the song. Mm-hmm. And I couldn't cut it off after that.
Starting point is 01:59:02 Even as tired and exhausted as I was, there was no way that I was turning it off after moments. I don't know what bag Nas and Hit-Boy are in right now, but something tells me they probably got two more of these albums in the tuck somewhere or just on the tip of their tongue. They probably got beats picked out, at least. A little concept behind it. Seems like this little
Starting point is 01:59:25 shindig here could run for a few more projects i wouldn't be bad at all yeah keep it going when i first looked at the track list i was shocked that he gave us this many songs by the time i got to the end naz is good i had to go back and check where i was at the track list i was mad it was the last song wait why is this over no no no no no no please don't end don't end here i just told ice on the way here lucky i didn't get that beat there's a few beats they lucky i ain't getting as good as one of them what a great beat to end your project like what a great way to end your shit yo let me just give me a beat where i can talk some shit for my niggas. I've been better than them for my whole life. And then let's name it, I'm good.
Starting point is 02:00:11 Yo, man, my hat's off to Hit-Boy. My hat's off to Nodz. To be around this long, to be great that long, and have to fucking figure out new ways to be great because the world just knows you as great. We only hold you to the bar of yourself. So to figure out new ways to be dope, and it work. I'm really happy.
Starting point is 02:00:33 It seems like he found his inspiration again. Because for a while there, it seemed like he wasn't really interested in making music, particularly outside of a verse here or there, or something like that. Yeah. And the other thing is, Nas is so up, like, just with investments and all that type of shit. I don't think he would-
Starting point is 02:00:47 To hear him to be passionate about- Yeah, yeah, that's what I was, yeah, to still hear him go into these records
Starting point is 02:00:53 with some passion, like, you know, niggas get, I could be off rap. I'm not thinking about rap. Right. But I'm still doing it
Starting point is 02:01:01 and at a high level and I'm making good albums. Right. And they're being received. And that's the thing. And this is a Joe thing I'll work on in the future. I'll lose respect for you if you don't have that. Have what?
Starting point is 02:01:16 The passion? That passion. To put out a good project, right? However that passion. Because he don't need the money. However that passion. He didn't need to put however that passion he didn't need he didn't need the money he didn't need to put out
Starting point is 02:01:26 a good album for me like when Andre when three stacks pop out every once in a blue to rap it sounds like oh
Starting point is 02:01:36 I missed y'all oh got it point taken yeah you can go back and do go away
Starting point is 02:01:44 play the flute just come back and do that go away. Play the flute. Lauren, Lauren, when she popped up, it don't matter. We didn't hear from her. We heard from you. Her tone,
Starting point is 02:01:52 what she was saying, what she was passionate about getting out there, that felt like, oh, okay. I got it. What I'm saying was missing
Starting point is 02:02:01 from Duke at that versus was passion. Passion. Yes. No. I was going to say that. 100%. I was going to Duke at that versus was passion. Passion. Yes. No. I was going to say that. 100%.
Starting point is 02:02:08 I was going to say that. And it showed. It looked like he was just up there to get a check. That's it. And that is nasty to me. Like, for me. I'm not talking about them. I'm just saying overall.
Starting point is 02:02:20 Nas is rumored to be involved in the, what was that? Red Robin? What's the name of that little app? Oh, shit. Robin Hood. Red Robin Hood. Robin Hood. Robin Hood.
Starting point is 02:02:28 He said he put a five cent in in 2009. And now this shit is like, yeah. Coinbase 2. Oh, yeah. No, that's a different one. And Robin Hood 2. No, that's a different one. That's a different one.
Starting point is 02:02:40 I'm talking about Robin Hood. Robin Hood 2. So Coinbase 2. He's in on all that shit. Forget about that. What did he say? Think about you. Think about you.
Starting point is 02:02:53 Let's not even remember what he said about that. But think about all of you. 200 million up. You're not rushing to build a house. You're not rushing to mix some shit. I ain't thinking about no sneakers
Starting point is 02:03:05 and you damn sure ain't going to sell no sneakers nah but if you did better be a real nice house you'd be passionate about that house
Starting point is 02:03:14 you'd feel differently about this house you'd put your time to decide to go do this fucking house a hammer couldn't see me what the fuck you talking about
Starting point is 02:03:22 nah hammer MC hammer Armin hammer none of the hammers a gun What the fuck you talking about? Nah. Hammer, MC Hammer, Armand Hammer. None of the hammers are gone. Word. No bullshit. I'm just saying, man, that shit is impressive.
Starting point is 02:03:34 Like, when I talk about things that deserve more applause but won't get it, it's shit like that. It's not that the album is so amazing. Shout out to Raven for taking the photo for the album cover. It's not just that it's only the album being so amazing. It's that everything in life is so amazing. And that should come out. Well, it did come out.
Starting point is 02:03:57 Yeah, it did. It did come out. And it sounds like it. Round of applause for Nas. Congratulations to him and his boy. Yeah, you just made me feel bad, yo. I'm going to go listen to Nas you should I'm going to tell you why you should
Starting point is 02:04:11 I'm going to go listen to Nas no no no he should he really should because he's a fan of that rap that's why that's why I say you should like you said the Lauryn Hill this is the rap I grew up in this is my bag right here but my thing is this with Ishh uh and not just with me period i'm not never i'm not never trying to
Starting point is 02:04:30 coerce music on somebody like people music is subjective that's one of the beautiful things about it my conversation with ish because he's grown and been outside is fuck nas music looking at nas though cause we've been outside long enough to just where what he did should just be applauded fuck
Starting point is 02:04:51 let's hate let's hate all his music no no no no and they and they two totally separate yeah yeah yeah look I wanna separate them
Starting point is 02:04:57 dog they should be separate I'm a Laker fan they should be separate I don't like LeBron James as a basketball player it's not my he alright like I mean he's good he alright let me take that back he's great but They should be separate. I don't like LeBron James as a basketball player. He aight. I mean, he's good.
Starting point is 02:05:07 He aight. Let me take that back. He's great. No, no, no, no, no. But he's not my cup of tea as a basketball player. Now, cut that off. LeBron James as a black man in 2021 damn near gets the Malcolm X Award from me. Right?
Starting point is 02:05:28 Like, you can't have a bigger voice. You could not have used your platform damn near in a better way and still maintained all the greatness on the court that he has. It's hard to come by. Again, I wasn't around for Jim Brown,
Starting point is 02:05:45 but LeBron James as a black man in America, fam, I'm a stan of that. But as a basketball player, he's not my guy. Kobe's my guy. So Nas as a black man coming from
Starting point is 02:06:01 where we come from, my nigga, you gotta take your hat off to him. He intellectually is kicking ass in the world. a black man coming from where we come from, my nigga, you got to take your hat off to him. Yeah. He intellectually is kicking ass in the world. Absolutely. Right? So again, it ain't just rap. It ain't just music.
Starting point is 02:06:13 Nah, nah, nah. I'm ahead of the curve. You want some seed money? All this new shit. Yeah. I'm here. I'm in the first round. Right.
Starting point is 02:06:20 I'm in the first round of everything. I'm in the first round of the investments. Huh, huh, huh. Take this. So you got to applaud that. And again, y'all know me. I'm the investor guy. I'm the the first round of everything. I'm in the first round of the investments. Huh, huh, huh. Take this. So you got to applaud that. And again, y'all know me. I'm the investor guy. I'm the finance guy.
Starting point is 02:06:28 So again, that's one thing that has nothing to do with the music side. Right. You get what I'm saying? After it was written, it was a decline for me. Same. Right? I was the same way. Nigga come out with a Nas project, I'd be like, oh, all right.
Starting point is 02:06:42 You got a lot of heat. What's heat? Life is good. It was a phenomenal album. Yeah, but see, look, but again, to Ish's point, because I'm the same way. Life is Good was what? 2012? 13? Somewhere in there, yeah. It was written, was 96? 96, yeah.
Starting point is 02:06:58 No, it was written, but was never told. It was 96. But you get what I'm saying? Yeah. Because I'm the same way. After it was written, I'd give you a couple off of Stillmatic, and then Life is Good. Stillmatic was dope, too. Whoa, whoa, whoa. But then it's Life is Good to me. Whoa, whoa, whoa.
Starting point is 02:07:11 Y'all being disrespectful. Y'all just giving over I Am. I Am was dope, too. Oh. It was all. I Am is dope. I agree. And actually, going back, I said this before, many years ago on the podcast but going back to
Starting point is 02:07:25 Nostradamus had a lot of heat on it too it was heat on it there was some heat on it but I understand the criticism when you start talking about heat
Starting point is 02:07:34 from somebody that's a top five in a lot of people's bag if you got 14 songs you can't give me three fire Nostradamus
Starting point is 02:07:44 yeah you can I'm just giving you an example I don fire. Nostradamus? Yeah, you can. I'm just giving you an example. I don't know Nostradamus. I know the songs. I know some of the hits on there. But I'm just saying, when you are considered a top five rapper of all time, if you got a project that got 15 songs on it and three of them are fire, you are slowly getting out of the top five.
Starting point is 02:08:04 I wouldn't take you out the top five. Nigga, you're slowly getting out of the top five. I wouldn't take you out the top five. Nigga, you're shooting 20% from the field. But I would just take that project, would not be considered a good project. Got you, got you. It doesn't affect your top five status. If there's any hip hop list out there that don't have Nas as a top 10 MC of all time,
Starting point is 02:08:22 then I'm never talking to you. Never. I'm with you. Not of all time then I'm never talking to you. Never. I'm with you. Not ever. Okay. I'm with you. Top five. I give you a pass.
Starting point is 02:08:32 There's a lot of great niggas. A lot of great niggas. Getting to 10 without Nas I won't stand for it. See my beef with everybody when it comes to the all time list is a lot of people
Starting point is 02:08:44 overlook that word time for some when they say all time like you have to have some longevity you get the 10 right now without naming us me
Starting point is 02:08:51 Antoine Jay Park Jay Park Big see let him go please I'm gonna take Big out why
Starting point is 02:09:03 he's top 10 he's top 10 he's not in my top 5 I was just gonna go to 10 for you well yeah I'm not putting him in any order I'm gonna take Big out Why? He's top 10 That's three He's not in my top 5 I was just gonna go to 10 for you Well yeah I'm not putting him in any order I'm just saying that Alright cool J Big Pac
Starting point is 02:09:11 J Big Pac Rakim Big Daddy Kane Kane KRS-One Kooji Rap Kooji Rap Chuck D Ice Cube
Starting point is 02:09:21 No Ice Cube Oh yeah Ice Cube Ice Cube? No. Ice Cube. Oh, yeah, Ice Cube. Ice Cube. I'm sorry. Face. Face. Drake.
Starting point is 02:09:29 Kanye. That's 11. Kanye don't go before Nas. Yes, he does. To me. Wait, when you say... See, this is what loses me. Kanye and Drake was his 10 and 11.
Starting point is 02:09:41 I could keep going. I was just... How many can you get to without naming Nas? I just did. I just did. I'm saying, but I'm... So you're saying would you have him in your top 15? Would you have him in your top 20? That's what I'm trying to get. Even this exercise right here, I think, is
Starting point is 02:09:55 informative. That makes sense for Ish. To me. In my brain. Koochie Rap's not gonna be in the niggas. Koochie Rap is not gonna be in the niggas kooji rap's not gonna be in the niggas top 10 because i'm 45 that's what i said niggas don't understand who kooji rap is that's what i was telling y'all before um ice cube i was in ninth grade i was in ninth grade when fucking ice cube left nwa so it's a travesty that you went from cool g rap to drake and kanye no because you can't
Starting point is 02:10:26 you can't just i'm still around i know but you just skipped a large section that i was just i don't know if you can skip well i'm shooting off the top of my head i'm just shooting off the top of my head i'm just saying um you can't you can't ignore what drake has done in hip-hop of course back to our conversation last week you can't enjoy ignore what drake has done to hip-hop. Of course not. Back to our conversation last week. You can't ignore what Drake has done to hip-hop. Again, but I was around when Death Certificate dropped. I was around when Predator dropped. I was around.
Starting point is 02:10:56 Niggas don't know Ice Cube. They think Ice Cube is fucking Friday Ice Cube. Right. They don't know that nigga gets busy. Yeah, he does. And has gotten busy for a very long time right niggas all
Starting point is 02:11:07 I was driving to college I was in college nigga when the diary was out yeah but you know what happened two years after Death Certificate Predator came out yeah Maddie came out
Starting point is 02:11:18 that's a good timeline but that's why I'm so amazed that's the only timeline but that's why I'm so amazed that's the only reason I'm pointing out you going from this to this you naming that shit
Starting point is 02:11:31 all of it is that shit you skipped no he has 13 albums but see that's my question 13 albums when you ask when you say all time
Starting point is 02:11:41 I didn't mean to get us in this type of fight but I just want to clear something up because I'm trying to understand when y'all say all time- I didn't mean to get us in this type of fight. It's not a fight. But I just want to clear something up because I'm trying to understand when y'all say all time listen. Are you saying rapping ability all time? Are you saying just rapper, just meaning I can make a song, an album, I am just career? What are you saying? Because that matters.
Starting point is 02:11:59 I think it all comes into play, right? So let me give you an example. Joe. Let's say Joe, right? Joe can out-rap 90% of these niggas. Way more than 90. I'm going to give you 90. All right, more than 90.
Starting point is 02:12:13 97. And I'm not saying that. 97% I can out-rap. 95 he can out-rap. The other 3%. Joe can out-rap 95% of these niggas. Joe can't create an album like some of these niggas. That's not true. No, that's true. some of these niggas. That's not true.
Starting point is 02:12:25 No, that's true. No, it's my personal. It's not true. It's my opinion. I know. Stay out of my opinion. I know. I'm telling both of y'all
Starting point is 02:12:31 it's not true. No. How you can't tell us our opinions ain't true? So again, I can't put a Joe, fam, I can't put a Joe album on
Starting point is 02:12:37 and make it to Virginia. Me. Right? And that's why I give Jay-Z the props that I give Jay-Z because Jay-Z's lyrical and musical at the same time. It's a lot of niggas that can rap their ass off, but the music won't grab you. It's a lot of niggas that got dope music, i.e. Dipset.
Starting point is 02:12:54 The music is amazing. The lyrics ain't going to do nothing for me. Okay. I don't want to hear Pewter's Putin. I don't want to hear that. You get what I'm saying? So, again, it's a lot of components when it comes to music this conversation is triggering to me well we don't want to wait i
Starting point is 02:13:12 really wouldn't right so back to ice's point i think that when you when you start talking about a top 10 of all time you got to incorporate the music and the lyrical ability. Because if it wasn't lyrical ability and Joe's my friend, Joe would be higher up the list. Now my question to that is, and this is the part that always loses me when everybody, I agree with you 100%.
Starting point is 02:13:37 When I say all-time list, I look at it like 2K sliders. And there's a slider for everything. So that one artist who is all the sliders all the's a slider for everything so that one artist who is all the sliders all the way up to me is Hov which is why
Starting point is 02:13:49 he is undeniably the greatest of all time for hitting every check mark indeed now when I always say when you're talking all time
Starting point is 02:13:58 the word time has to count too since we talking all time you have to have some longevity so to me, that disqualifies
Starting point is 02:14:08 Big and Pac. No, it don't disqualify Pac. It disqualifies Big. You can't disqualify Pac because Pac has more albums than niggas that are around. There's a bunch of stuff that he... I'm not disqualifying either one because what they both accomplished by the time they were 25 years old. I'm not going to disqualify
Starting point is 02:14:24 either one of them based on what you said, because time matters. Big still gets played. And Big still has his songs last the test of time. They both get played. They stay in the test of time. That's a good point. They both were greater at the time of death.
Starting point is 02:14:37 But I can say them passing helped that. At 25 and 26, they were greater than niggas that are living. You can't say that. Yes, you can say that. Yes, you can say that. Well, you can say what? What are you saying? Big said to himself, you're nobody if somebody kills you. Like, yo, you're passing.
Starting point is 02:14:49 I was outside in 95. I was outside in 96 and 97 and 98. So was I. And that nigga was getting played on the radio. I agree. But we don't know. They were never given the chance to fall off is what I'm saying. That's true.
Starting point is 02:15:03 We don't know that today. I don't know that today, Big's not Craig Mack. No disrespect. Rest in peace. I'm still not over it. It's your argument about my album making. That's all I was trying to say. People that give you one, two albums. I agree with that. Again, I agree with
Starting point is 02:15:22 Big's not in my top five. I didn't even mention Big in the ten yes you did you did I took him out we put him out no you did put him back
Starting point is 02:15:30 but again like Big is not in my top five rappers like I always say he's a mug if God forbid had Nas passed after it was written
Starting point is 02:15:39 he'd be the best he'd be the greatest rapper ever no question he might be the best and that is he might be the best rapper ever and it be the greatest rapper ever. No question. He might be the best ever. And that is the... He might be the best rapper ever. Ever.
Starting point is 02:15:47 And it wouldn't be a question. I agree with that. Y'all keep changing the goalposts on how you judge the greatest rapper ever. No, again, I'm just... If Nas died after it was written and y'all are taking the same rules that y'all just applied to Hov
Starting point is 02:16:01 about why he's the greatest ever about checkboxes and having seen him perform in every arena, then the two can't be true. No, Joe. What I'm saying is if Nas... I'm not saying in my book. I'm saying that a lot of people will immediately... No, Nas is the greatest. Nas is the
Starting point is 02:16:15 greatest off of that. Jay... You know why Jay is the greatest? Man, I don't want to make this a fucking... Slob-b knobbing affair just call it like it is but it's like y'all just said
Starting point is 02:16:28 it's back to Royce and checking boxes Jay is the greatest because he checked all the boxes and when there were no more boxes he made up boxes he makes up boxes Jay has been the best with no label
Starting point is 02:16:43 with no money to make an album, while his competition was making Illmatic with fucking Q-Tip and everybody else. And Large Professor. He's been a killer. He's had to battle. He's had to sell records after DMX sold records. Now you had to make an album when there was money. Now you had to make the street song.
Starting point is 02:17:07 Could he make a girl record? Can you make that lyrical shit become a fucking single somehow? Hey, wait, wait, wait. No, no, we got a way longer list than this. He was great in a group. Come with it. He was great.
Starting point is 02:17:19 Trendsetter. Trendsetter. Culturally. Yeah, like you can't say that. Even that. When you talking all time then it was time only here would we
Starting point is 02:17:27 start a Nas conversation and end up on how great Hov is no I'm just my nigga in hip hop today Jay Z's done everything minus break dance
Starting point is 02:17:36 and do graffiti no Jay Z's why you done them shits too yo Nas Nas spot in the top 5 for me is cemented same
Starting point is 02:17:42 I don't argue it same like Jay Z's I don't argue it. No one is as good. I don't argue it. Poetically. I'm just saying why Hov is number one, why Pac is at the top of my list for me.
Starting point is 02:17:53 You put those two dudes in front of everything there was to be in front of, and they just survived. They withstood it. Hov went and got his master's back, was in the group, had to find talent, had to A&R some shit had to fucking be the president of some shit
Starting point is 02:18:08 had to sell think of how to sell records before the record came out how do I adapt to the streaming like it's just been faced with it all and it's conquered
Starting point is 02:18:15 so he's the best I don't even we don't talk about him I don't even get him in a conversation Pac same for me and after that
Starting point is 02:18:22 we can talk about Chop It Up however y'all want to chop it up. Pac got like 15 albums. He died at 25. Pac was in a group, went to jail, out of group, solo, demos, battling, hit records, girl records. The bitches love me. The niggas love me.
Starting point is 02:18:36 I did a lot of that shit too. That's what that says. That says I recorded a lot. You right. That's what it says. I got 300 Chris Brown songs right now. Stop what? Tupac Shak 300 Chris Brown songs right now. Stop what? Tupac Shakur has arguably three classic albums.
Starting point is 02:18:48 The Firm or Thug Life? Or Outlaws? Oh, I was saying Digital Underground. Okay. And Outlaws and Thug Life. I wasn't counting Outlaws, but I was saying Digital Underground. I'm not counting The Firm. I'm not giving Nas The Firm as a group.
Starting point is 02:19:03 Niggas put one album out and never wrapped together again, and that was put together. I'm not. No. Hell no. You're right. Dre, Foxy, AZ, and Nas, no. But that is a group.
Starting point is 02:19:15 It's a group. Hey, that album's good. Yeah, I like that album, actually. I like that album a lot. One day we'll do a pod about, what's up? No, but that's part of Shut the Fuck Up Week, right? Like, when that Firm album came out, I remember you niggas that was talking, because I was a fan of the Firm.
Starting point is 02:19:33 That album came out, and here you niggas go. Trash commercial. They tore that album. I love that album. I do, too. There was heat on there. Home tap. Come on, man.
Starting point is 02:19:42 There was some shit on that album. Way more than that. No, I'm just saying. That's the first one that comes to mind. And the Cannabis Coming Out Party. Yeah. That tap. Come on, man. There was some shit on that. Way more than that. No, I'm just saying. That's the first one that comes to mind. And the cannabis coming out party. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
Starting point is 02:19:49 I'm leaving. The firm shouldn't leave cannabis. Yo, do we know this? Yo, come on, fam. Come on. What am I playing as a sleeper right now? If you were looking for some other type of talk outside of hip-hop on this part we failed you yeah our bad but it was today wasn't today just just one of the moments not man fuck that you
Starting point is 02:20:11 niggas get the rest of the year yeah that's what i'm not let us have this i'm not leaving that point this week was ours you're right this week week was Lox, Kiss, Ye with a bunch of New York niggas on there. I heard a lot of Griselda, Hov, Lox, Fabio, and that led me into Nas with Lauren, who I still think is from New Jersey.
Starting point is 02:20:40 Nick, what you mean? She is. I think is from New Jersey. Listen, people want to tell me. She left five minutes for me. She's from New Jersey. You've to tell me She left five minutes for me That's what She's from New Jersey You've been that nigga For a long time You live by Lauren That's what you're doing
Starting point is 02:20:51 You live by Lauren Alright so This nigga stupid We was hip hopped out So BJ the Chicago Kid You dropped the EP Not too long ago
Starting point is 02:21:02 That I gotta get to That shit was fire Everybody keeps telling me it was fire. I heard the Fancy remake, but then Hip Hop came out, so I left it. And I ain't got no chicks, so I haven't had a reason to go back to it by myself. BJ the Chicago Kid. Tanaje. Tanaje, round of applause.
Starting point is 02:21:18 I'm getting back to it. Today is our Saturday pod. We don't normally do music, but we had to today. We had to. Today is our Saturday pod. We don't normally do music, but we had to today. We had to. And with that said, I cannot skip Victoria Monet. I can't. Gotta do it.
Starting point is 02:21:39 Brand new Victoria Monet. This is Carl Koston. Everything she does is fire. Damn near don't need to be introduced or explained. If you get it, you get it Hey boy, don't wanna waste your time, but thinking of you is hot tonight Tell me baby, baby, what's your sign? Cause you're astronomically fine And all I do is think of you Baby, all I do is, yeah Think of the ways The ways I wanna give you this ass
Starting point is 02:22:10 Just how you like Feel like a Thursday, how I'm throwing it back I'ma make it go north, south, east, west, coast Baby, we can go north, south, east, west, coast Just tell me how you want it, I got it Who gon' do it better? Nobody, body Just let my hips take you on a trip I swear they don't make them like this
Starting point is 02:22:36 Think of your face The ways I wanna give you this ass Just say you like Feel like a Thursday, how I'm throwing it back I'ma make it go north, south, east, west, coast, west coast Baby, we can go north, south, east, west, coast Yeah, yeah, yeah All I do is, all I do is think of you
Starting point is 02:23:07 I think of you, I think of you, I think of you All I do is, all I do is think of you Think of the way, think of the way The ways I wanna give you this ass Just say you lie Oh, that's one of my favorite things When a beautiful woman is thinking of all the ways You give her this ass
Starting point is 02:23:32 And a songstress is singing that Yo, Victoria Monet Ari Lennox Jasmine Sullivan There's a few of y'all with these beautiful voices that keep saying the like the sluttiest lyrics that I love. SZA does it sometimes. That's a vibe when they do that. Oh, bringing some horns. Random music from Victoria Monet. We love you friend of the show, that's called Coastin'
Starting point is 02:24:06 In your phone right now if you have not heard it Come and coast with me, my man Right in time for the weekend, too And you get all the props in the world If you could freak a Mary Jane sample this way So shout out to Victoria Monet We love you, can't wait to hear more Alright Ice
Starting point is 02:24:27 What you got for us? What you got for us buddy? Listen What Lil Ray Ray No no no No no no I'm going to Yonkers That's your apology?
Starting point is 02:24:38 Yeah yeah Cloudy chasey ass nigga No no no That's some grown man shit I have to own up That's your way to apologize That's good It's Jadakiss Me own up. That's your way to apologize. That's good.
Starting point is 02:24:46 It's Jadakiss. Me. This is like your girl coming to you saying, are you hungry? After a fight. Like, that's her apology. Hey. Hey.
Starting point is 02:24:55 Hey. Hold up. Let me lick a shot for Big Pop in heaven. I'm gonna love you in a way you can't go away. Day and night time. I love you anyway So I feel you got the same
Starting point is 02:25:06 Day and night time Come anywhere you want No matter how far I can't hold me back I don't know what you're breathing I'm just breathing I'm just breathing I'm ready I'm ready I'm made up What's up, baby? Now let's go.
Starting point is 02:25:26 As soon as they hear the voice and the flow, they already know it's you. And I ain't even in the game. But as soon as something happened, who the first one they blame is you. You're your time. You're lame. Stop mentioning my name, my nigga. Why you worry about me? Why?
Starting point is 02:25:41 I'm in a group meeting. They took pic from us. Now it's just luch peeing. I'm the one they call on, gotta feed the family, if not then it falls on Who else? This is real talk, funeral arrangements, whoever put they paws on Who being a wrangler, off-road nigga with the roof and the doors gone And who else being the field front line till the war is gone? What they talkin' bout me?
Starting point is 02:26:09 Who they talkin' bout me? All they talk about is What they talkin' bout me? Who they talkin' bout me? All they talk about is What they talkin' bout me? Who they talkin' bout me? All they talk about is
Starting point is 02:26:23 What they talkin' bout me? Who they talkin' bout me? All they talk about Who What they talking about me who they talking about me? Who can go the distance who's underrated who's the most consistent? Who get the real love yeah who the girls love who the jails love? Good nigga good heart lot of lives were saved by Bad boy rough ride a lot of lives were saved by Lou Bad boy, rough ride, a lot of money was made by Real talk
Starting point is 02:26:50 Large bag from Steve Stout, commercial with A.I. Good lookin' One of the last of the OGs to stay fly Mwah Who else you know went at it with Beanie and 50 besides? Who? Even threatened to throw a refrigerator at Diddy, my guy Who else you know went at it with Beanie and 50 besides? Even threatened to throw a frigerator at Diddy my guy What they talkin' bout me? Who they talkin' bout me? All they talk about is
Starting point is 02:27:14 What they talkin' bout me? Who they talkin' bout me? All they talk about is What they talkin' bout me? Who they talkin' bout me? All they talk about is What they talkin' bout me? Who they talkin' bout me? All they talk about is What they talkin' bout me? Who they talkin' bout me? All they talk about Who started off movin' that word? Put you in a black hearse Never had a wack verse Now think, don't react first Ain't a wild nigga but a still let his gap burst
Starting point is 02:27:40 Never got his just dude, does everybody feel like that? Or is it just you? I don't know, sometimes I look in the mirror and be like, I don't even trust you Just me, what they talkin' bout me? Who they talkin' bout me? All they talk about is me What they talkin' bout me? Who they talkin' bout me? All they talk about is me What they talkin' bout me?
Starting point is 02:28:04 Who they talkin' bout me? All they talk about is me What they talkin' bout me? Who they talkin' bout me? All they talk about is me What they talkin' bout me? Who they talkin' bout me? All they talk about me Yeah, that was me Jadakiss Alright, I'm gonna go the other direction. It's been a hard week for Dipset, so we'll play one of my favorite shits Uh huh Shay Chenna I like that man I'll play you one of my favorite shits Y'all think niggas don't cry, man? Uh, we do Yeah, man, I gotta get my thoughts together, man I be thinking a lot, man
Starting point is 02:28:50 We crying sometimes, too But it's like, yo Yo, the time is now, my grind is here Shit, my body is focused, my mind's in gear Let's start it, I'm moving at an unstoppable pace I managed to reach the top of the race Before it started, damn Cold hearted man, rip apart your man
Starting point is 02:29:09 For the green dollar, point wherever my targets stand Holla, shooting moon from wherever my targets land Damn, shit, I see ghosts when I sleep It's real, I got to wake up just to know I was asleep Holding the heat, cold sweat all on my sheets That's why I paint the most vividest pictures For my niggas, my bitches in the same position I live in No oil or hot water, just boiling hot water
Starting point is 02:29:33 Cooking coke to the oil in hot water But who am I, man? I can't tell y'all I cried too, man Fuck is wrong with y'all, man Come on Who am I? Shit is real, man You know? I live the life of a loner With a righteous persona
Starting point is 02:30:09 But still sell crack right on the corner My life is this stuff A big puzzle that's mixed up Big bucks, big drugs If I get caught, then it's big cuffs Big bail, it gets up I get out, shit what, this shit's up I need to find another road to follow one that's
Starting point is 02:30:26 new and strong not old and hollow oh as I hold this bottle and smoke this reefer listen to some old Ali I say damn damn man shit is crazy man and a tear comes trembling down You never seen a man cry Where you witness it now Shit, this ain't game from the heart This is pain from the heart This for you, game, it came from the heart So, who am I? That's who I am Diplomats
Starting point is 02:30:59 Joel Santana That's what you got for us today, man I'ma jump on Ice with his locks bag. Mona Lisa featuring the locks, baby Make you bounce to a herb, baby Jews, you could love and hold Don't confuse it Mona's only here to please you with the music Wonder, but you can't have her We gon' riot if they try to grab her
Starting point is 02:31:32 She's young to be bad Now I will please you If I had the chance to, boo Sixteen and I, I dream about romancing you You see me with the locks Back then on Yonkers blocks Now I pay dough to see you blow it up in the spots Me and you, boo
Starting point is 02:31:44 No champagne, we can drink a yoo-hoo Take a trip to grade A and chill with the whole crew You know I'm loose, dude, spending ain't nothing After we can take the lock shot on the Hudson I see that look in your eyes Smiling, maybe, and every time that you smile I can't even speak, one thinks feelings could change, they're always the truth I will forever with me and with you
Starting point is 02:32:13 All I can do is all that I do All I can do is smile, always and tonight Whatever you want, whenever you need I love you, I just love you How can I show you my love? Just what I can do How can I prove you're the one? It's all about you
Starting point is 02:32:44 So if it's holding you tight Or touching your hand Then let me know where your wish is Why, oh man Why don't you see Why don't you see that But boy, you should know you're The heart of me're part of me
Starting point is 02:33:06 You're part of me No one can take your place You're the one that I need I can do it all the time Always and forever Whatever you want, whenever you need, my life is for you, I just want you, always on your mind Whatever you want, whatever you need For the love that's for you, I just want you Baby, how can you be, how can you be
Starting point is 02:34:01 My boy, you should know you're part of me You're part of me You're part of me You're part of me I wanna come in contact with the big things we hold R&B, Illmatic, 16 year old Jadakiss and honeys wanna serve me great Cause they see me in the GS with jersey planks
Starting point is 02:34:25 But I'm never home, I'm like a flip phone on Rome Me and Mona, grind top of brownstone Daddy, everything I write be tight All I need is the hype, to snatch up the fight Or the CVR with the loud pipe Coming down 8, flipping it, get it right Even though it's all about G's All I wanna do is please, every now and then you get the keys
Starting point is 02:34:46 Come on now, tell me how real do we get You driving my whip, where the learn is permit The same little chick from across the street Remember me, sitting on the steps you used to sweep You were singing, I was rapping Now we both making it happen And I hope you go platinum I'll give it all
Starting point is 02:35:04 That's Mona Lisa featuring The Lox. I just want to please you. Fuck it, Ish. You want to play nine-minute sleepers, man. I didn't even know that shit was that long. For real. Kiss ain't had but a bar. He had but a bar in that motherfucker, man.
Starting point is 02:35:19 It's just a man. Hold up, man. He's like the Jersey Plates line. Yeah, that's what that was. That's what it was. Y'all lucky Kiss didn't plug his phone up that night on Versus. Like, if he had just got into his bag, I almost feel like they had to rule him and Cam
Starting point is 02:35:32 where they couldn't just stay in their solo bags. Maybe. Like, Kiss kept saying, yo, you cheating? You trying to cheat? You gonna make me go there? Like, hey! Hey! Yo again
Starting point is 02:35:55 I want to shout out to all those All the gentlemen that was on stage That night at Versus We do a pod so I'm forced to come in And give you all my opinions but My true opinion is All of those guys up there were legends goats icons who contributed to my love for this this thing we call culture shout out to dipset shout out to the locks and shouts to everybody.
Starting point is 02:36:25 That was a peaceful night. Shout out to the audience. Yeah. You get what I'm saying? Nah, that was a lot. We didn't hear no bullshit. Yeah, that was a lot of that. It was a lot of people in the crowd.
Starting point is 02:36:33 Like, you know? So, shouts to everybody who came home and went home, came there and went home in peace. The older street niggas want to get home to their families, too. That is true. It's the young niggas that want to pop the whole night off. Man, we ain't just going. Man, we know niggas is fucking with the bitches in the club. We ain't going to shoot it up now.
Starting point is 02:36:54 Not now. Not now. We know where you parked. Why we got to do it in here is all. Yeah, shout out to everybody. Real peaceful, real safe night. Shout out to the whole New York. And you say,
Starting point is 02:37:06 and you say New York City. Yeah, man. They lucky Jadakiss ain't plug up to the Hawks. There was a lot more that could have got played that night. Shout out to the whole Yonkers. Shout out to the two girls
Starting point is 02:37:23 and Yonkers I dated way back when. I appreciate y'all shut out to this hip-hop thing to raised us shut out the Tim shut out the Swiss let's go to time to put in work we all got a job to do I like to drink and ask myself what would Pablo do yeah I'm gonna do with the paper plates like the barbecue shut up the the paper plates like the barbecue Got the haters shaking heads like the Bobbles do But it's all for my family The goal wasn't live middle class and buy cherries
Starting point is 02:37:51 Yo, keep us in your prayers Lord knows we need to be there Until the next time, I bid you adieu Farewell, hasta la vista, adios Arrivederci, so long, goodbye Do remember Life is a series of moments and moments past So let's make this one last as if it's all we have
Starting point is 02:38:09 And before I get out of here The baddies are insecure, the stagnant women wanna travel And the closed minded women want you to teach them things Grab a IB Pro and enjoy your headache We'll be back same time, same place next week. You know the vibe. Shout out to Nas just because-ish. Just cause-ish.
Starting point is 02:38:31 Pour out a little liquor for homies that ain't living. It's big dinner shit, baby. Everybody up in here. Find what you bring to the table. Then pull up a chair. And we out of here. Yeah You see? And we outta here I can't end it on fad voice
Starting point is 02:38:50 Gotta end it on Kiss voice appropriately I like this shit You should love it Kill, kill, kill Wait a minute Let's finish the game, Billy Do something to stop stalling That's silly The ball over there just drawling That's Philly Wait a minute! Yeah, man.
Starting point is 02:39:18 Yo, hopefully everybody here respects the killers now, right? Of course. Everybody respects the killers here, right? Yes? Ice? I respect the killers, Joe. I've always respected the killers. No, you haven't always respected them. No, I have. I just assumed that my ass was I respect the killers no you haven't always no you haven't no you haven't no you haven't some things will never get said again I got pills, B Many other owners, you know, that's in the field, B No license or registration, that's where the steel be Honors in your pocket, your heart, that's where the wheel be
Starting point is 02:39:49 From the hood, cop out, even if not guilty Rich ain't good enough, nigga, I'm not feeling it

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