The Joe Rogan Experience - #2230 - Evan Hafer

Episode Date: November 15, 2024

Evan Hafer is a Special Forces veteran, founder/CEO of Black Rifle Coffee Company, and one of the hosts of the "Black Rifle Coffee Podcast." https://www.blackriflecoffee.com https://www.youtube.com/@BlackRifleCoffeePodcast Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

The Joe Rogan Experience. Trained by day, Joe Rogan podcast by night, all day. Come on brother, good to see you. Good to see you. So this conversation was, well, anytime you want to come on, I'm always happy to talk to you. But this conversation was birthed out of that crazy conversation. We had an elk hunting camp Which one you well? Yeah, we had it. We had a quite a few of them would you just

You will open my eyes somebody first of all I never understood the extent of the manfuckery in Afghanistan oh Well, we were talking remember we were hanging out for the trucks, and you were telling me about mumbles. Yeah With friends that for the rest of my life Now things are different like now. I look at that one conversation that one hour conversation We had like okay the world's different now. I you know I always Assume people have heard these stories from Afghanistan cheers. Yeah, cheers. You gotta drink that. Oh, yeah, sorry You can't use that. Oh, yeah, Buffalo Trace Hmm

so yeah the amount of man-on-man buggery in Afghanistan is Significant and did they warn you about it before you went over there? No, no I think there are so many different things about both Iraq and Afghanistan that the learning curve for all of us was so high Culturally You don't think about a lot of those things. You just don't you just dig, you know, you grow up in America Right you assume everybody every man is

up in America right you assume everybody every man is basically like an American male because that's at 26 or 27 years old you know that there are cultural differences for sure but I'm telling you I was in Kuwait for like the first time early on and the Kuwaitis like to hold hands. The dudes like to hold hands. And that's not comfortable for guys. Isn't that weird though, because we do shake hands. Yeah. You know what I mean? But you don't walk around holding another man's hand.

It's just not comfortable in any scenario. But imagine trying to explain that to someone who didn't understand what makes it gay. At what point in time does holding onto a hand, does it get, you know, there's like a meter. You can kind of hold onto a hot potato for a couple seconds and then it'll burn your hand. After a certain point, you're walking around

holding another man's hand and you've never really done it probably since you were a kid, maybe holding your dad's hand when you're like three or four years old. And in special forces, they tell you, you have to work with the cultural differences. And they're just talking in generals. They're not specific because they don't know

where you're going. And you're gonna have to work by, with, and through the host indigenous force. So you have to accept some of the things, the cultural differences, and just go with the flow. So as a new green beret, as SF guys, you're just walking around holding another man's hand. You're so freaked out about it.

You're like, oh man, oh man. What the fuck does this mean? You're questioning all your reality your reality like oh my god You know like in and then after a few years You know time and repetition and war or whatever somebody goes to hold your hand you're like get the fuck away from me I'm not doing that bro. Come on. No. No. I'm not doing that. So you gave up after a while. Oh, yeah There's a lot of things you give up right you're You're taught NSF drink drink the tea, eat the food,

you know, do everything that they do. Yeah, just completely assimilate. And honestly, like a lot of that is really good because it does teach you to be a lot more open as far as listening to what they're going through from their tribal plights, like what are they going through from a combat experience? What do they need and you want and you want to build rapport? That's what you want to do and bit

Rep after rep in a war zone you kind of get fatigued with that and then you're like, yeah let's just get to the dirt here man, like who do we want to kill like let's let's get to that and Got it. You don't like that tribe. We don't like that tribe to that. And got it, you don't like that tribe, we don't like that tribe, we don't like this, you don't like that, cool. Okay, so I'm not gonna eat with you because every time I eat with you, I can't shit for like a normal shit for like a year.

So we're just gonna not do any of that and bypass it. You tell me you literally didn't shit anything but diarrhea for, you said more than a year? Yeah, it was years man. I was living and working with the Afghans and And I went from Iraq And I did the invasion with special forces from the south And I did multiple rotations in Iraq both with SF and then with the agency when I went over there And then when we did the,

when we shut down Iraq in 2009, I turned around and basically went to Afghanistan in 2009. So I went from Iraq to Afghanistan and then went from Afghanistan, kind of finished up my CIA combat, I guess, experience and then went back to the states to do a training thing. But by the time I got to Afghanistan, I had lots of time in Iraq. I had like four years on the ground. And Afghanistan was way different. But I was living and working with the Afghanis. I was eating with them and your job is to

not only train, assist and advise, build rapport, but you're trying to figure it out. So you need to be on the ground with them living, eating, breathing, sleeping, like the whole thing. And they're what we call the chow hall facilities aren't the cleanliest. You're trying trying like you're working with them You know you institute different things like soap and water is like a good thing and It doesn't really matter. You're still gonna get sick based on you know the water Where is it coming from where what type of well source like there's lots of different variables obviously?

But dude, I I didn't have a solid shit for two years and I was just kind of got normalized to the point where you know your It's such a gross thing to think about man. You could not trust a fart I got this great. I get this great story. So I came in off the gun trucks and And I'm tired. I'm like off the gun trucks and I'm tired. I went into the embassy and I had a meeting with somebody in Kabul. And I had this titanium mug that was the size

of a toilet bowl. And I'm filling it up with coffee. And I haven't slept for, I don't know, let's say 20 hours at a time. I'm fucking dirty. And I'm filling up this coffee toilet bowl basically, because I'm getting ready to go into a briefing.

And I let out a fart, and it wasn't a fart. And the dude behind me was like, I didn't even turn around, dude. I knew there was somebody waiting for me, and I Shit my pants and I didn't turn around didn't blink an eye didn't even like lift up the handle because it's normalized And he was shit your pants. I was like, yeah, I just turned around walked off It was like it was the deputy ambassador or somebody's like it was like the ambassador, right? And I just like whatever dude, I got shit to do. I'm out of here Yeah, yeah, that's that's to the point of which I had a permanent stain and like my combat my my fatigues, right?

It's just so bad, but I was like, you know what man? You got shit to do like People adapt you don't you don't sweat little things like that. And honestly, you're just trying to like get through your little things like that and honestly you're just trying to like get through your You're trying to get through any and all things and it's not like we're entrenched warfare or anything like that it's just like dude I had shit to do I had people to train we were going out and I Couldn't let that like you can't pull over if you're you can at times that there are just times where you just you just can't So you just got to keep moving and it sucks It's like the less glamorous side I don't know if there's a lot of books out there telling all the cool stories about that

You know, so when did you find out about the buggery? Um, was it something that you need a lot? Yeah, it was so it started in Kuwait and I had a Idea Arabic linguist and he was a younger kid. You know, he was blonde hair, blue eyes, Mormon kid. And he literally joined the army at 18, you know, two years later after going to the Defensive Language Institute in Monterey, California, you come out and you're speaking Arabic, basically. And young kid, blonde hair, blue eyes, good Mormon kid comes out and he's with us. And the Kuwaitis kept talking about

how they wanted to take him camping. And we're like, why do you wanna take that dude camping? What's so special about that guy? And you're like, after a while you realize that's not what they wanted to do Right there like talking about it. Yeah, like either a joking way or a serious way, but that's The first exposure. Yeah. Yeah, and then did take you a while to figure that out. Yeah. Yeah, because you're so naive like dude I'm like

26 years old like I don't fucking know I don't I don't think this is a thing I grew up in Idaho like I know yeah, it exists, but I'm like 26 years old, like I don't fucking know. I don't think this is a thing. I grew up in Idaho, like I know Yad exists, but I'm so, you know, blithely, like moving through the world, like thinking everybody's an American male, right? Like, now this is weird. And then, you know, you go to Iraq, or I went to Iraq and where I went, you know, it's Iraq and multiple multiple rotations over there and

you start to Assimilate with you the Iraqis you're either working with or you're training with and then it kind of starts to to To fall apart where it's like oh, this is somewhat normal For them now, they don't talk about it. I'm not saying it's like everyone by the way. I'm saying like it's it's at least relevant enough culturally where It's somewhat normalized not talked about. It's very serious The is it similar in Kuwait as Afghanistan or do they vary Iraq is different?

Yeah, they're all a little bit different. I mean, the Afghanis, we had to have, depending on where we were in their barracks living situation, like you had to put really hard restrictions, like, you know, no butt fucking guys for the majority of this. Because this is a health issue, we weren't like, it like we were we were putting Bibles on their beds or something I just say hey, this is really unhealthy

You guys are gonna spread a bunch of different diseases to one another and like we've got a mission to to accomplish here And every SF guy every guy that's like been in Afghanistan knows what man Love Thursday is and it's kind of a it's kind of a thing that they do. Is it just Thursday, or is it? It's just a thing to say. But it's just they fuck each other. Yeah, they like it. So, there's the kid with the blue eyes, and after a while you're like,

hey, they don't really wanna camp with him, they're trying to fuck this guy. Yeah, exactly. And then you start thinking like, hey, how much of this is going on? Yeah, yeah, it's exactly right, yeah. And then as you thinking like hey how much of this is going on? That's it's exactly right. Yeah, and And then you're as you're exposed to Not more of it because you don't really see it you hear about it

so as you build rapport build confidence in your friendships and people will start to talk about but It is fairly pervasive and I it's it's one of those things that You just kind of accept that that's happening from a good portion a good portion of the guys and 50% 60% Well, what we talked about like kind of rewinding it's it disturbing factor is it's socially indoctrinated in the children, like the sexual exploitation of children. So it starts early and then it moves into the adulthood. Bacha Bazi is a real thing and it's dressing boys to look like girls.

And they have some Afghanis. When I say some, I don't know how pervasive it is, but it's a big percentage. And the adult male stuff, that's like one subsegment of their culture. But it's the sexual exploitation of children that when you find that out, that's like one sub segment of their culture but it's the sexually exploitation of children that when you find that out That's when things really turn for you psychologically. You're like this this place is really fucked

And it's in it's very pervasive. It's it's very it's it's it's You know if you go back and you read the Kite Runner, when I read the Kite Runner when I was in Afghanistan, I realized that it's not only the story about this kid, but it's also the story of Afghanistan. Those stories run parallel because children are sexually exploited regularly, and it's mainly the boys, from what I I understand to the point of which I Was driving out on this? Op I guess from Kabul to Jalalabad and when I first got to Afghanistan

I used to see these truck drivers and I thought you know, my dad was a truck driver It's really cool. These truck drivers take their sons out with them on the road That's such a really cool cultural thing and my interpreter turned to me is like Those aren't their kids, dude That's how Fucking horrible it is. It's so horrible that they're on display. Yes, they're on parade Yeah, you were saying the guys would parade around their harem Kandahar and different

Areas, they'll they'll have parades and they're on display as to this is my harem and they're proud of it. And that was one of the most disturbing things that we would talk about specifically between like the departments, between Department of State, CIA, and the military is like, when you're out with the guys from a tactical and combat role,

you see them and you interact with the way they are from a tactical level every day. And you'd bring this up to management and they would say, oh, that doesn't, what do you mean? That doesn't happen, that doesn't happen. Or they pretend it doesn't happen But if you were on the ground in afghanistan during the times I was there honestly from, you know, 2001 We'll say to the time that we pulled out

everybody Uniformly would agree with what i'm saying. I I if you if you spent some time in afghanistan, you knew that was happening Jesus christ, and did you see these parades? No, no. But National Geographic I believe did an article on it several years ago. Yeah. Bacha Bazi. I could be getting the pronunciation a little bit off. But it turns for you Emotionally and psychologically because you're like Okay, now now I've got some hate right right yeah made my mate me makes your job a little bit easier, right? Yeah, yeah makes your job a little bit easier. It also makes it harder for you not to

Want to change the entire? for you not to Want to change the entire? government system where you You want to completely you know rewrite the entire? DNA of the cultural infrastructure right because it's sad and it's It's evil and it's all of these like really horrible things so So as much as you wanna help the Afghans and their plight. Yeah, there you go.

Inside the lives of girls dressed as boys in Afghanistan, the cultural practice of bacha posh. Bacha posh, I think that's the flip, that's the reverse. Encourages parents dress their daughters as sons for a better future, but often it only makes life harder That's a different so it's boys is oh, so that's the opposite opposite girls dresses boys So this is a different thing Why do they do that? What's that about girls dressing as boys? Well, I think because

Well one there's there's a very low education rate when I come back to oh the kids educated if they're boys? Women are really seen as, in Afghanistan, I'm generalizing, right? I'm taking really big swaths of the Afghan culture. So I know this isn't every Afghan. I've got lots of different Afghan friends.

And I've hired a lot of Afghans. This isn't everybody. This is the dancing boy in their Afghanistan. Go back up again. Show what's going on. These guys are throwing money at this dancing boy. Back that up. Jamie, I just clicked somewhere random kind of trying to go back to what the fuck man.

Yes. So those are like little boys and they were dancing like strippers and these guys are throwing dollars at them. Yes. Oh my god, this is so crazy. And they're younger, so they go much younger. This is the thing that people that don't want to talk about in Afghanistan that we talked about regularly, which was these are very, what we feel are distinctly wrong.

These are very wrong things from a American support, tactical and strategic intervention. We should not encourage this whatsoever and it made it very difficult at times for us to Trust with the State Department or somebody else was saying but I mean this this goes back to you know Iraq and honestly trust and policymakers and the State Department and their their entire, you know position either politically philosophically It's just fundamentally flawed So when you're hearing about this, and one of the things about child molesting is that if these kids are growing up in this culture

where they're going to be an adult and they're gonna do that to kids as well, which has probably happened to all these guys, right? Like this is, you're not gonna do that to kids as well, which has probably happened to all these guys, right? Like this is you're not gonna fix that with all these people alive Like the culture gets to a point where it's so fucked That it's like how do you how can you ever fix that? How many generations would it take before the scars of all those people being abused? before the scars of all those people being abused wears off and normalizes and people can be normal again.

People can be like what we would consider a Western civilization like London or New York. Just how? What we feel is the morally appropriate cultural boundaries. That's like how many generations would it take? there's lots of different things that you can talk about because The history of Afghanistan is you will say post 80s and Soviet intervention and then you know with the Taliban pushback or the mujahideen and like they completely destroyed

the education, the progress and evolution of Afghanistan. I mean, they had decades of war, then you had basically a failed state with Taliban and extremist control. I mean, as the Taliban moved in, fundamentally, it's an evil organization. I went, there's a soccer field in Kabul where the Taliban used to stone women to death because they weren't wearing their hijab. Or the rule of a woman would be raped and she would be accused of infidelity on her husband and they would stone her or they would beat her with a stick and they

turn the soccer field into a place where they could have public displays for execution it it was completely insane when you when you think about it from where we're coming from and then where we're going and we're yeah, we're trying to Nation build which I've but fundamental disagreement with that as well, but you you eliminated the Educated portion of your population you swung to a very extremist, fear-based religion, and then it was all based on the Quran as far as their education

system, so they completely separated the women away from being able to evolve. They treated them as beasts of burden. You had to be an Islamic extremist to be acceptable. It was a completely hegemonic, theoretical state. Hegemony as far as like, it's the theocracy ran everything and it was a very extremist version of Islam. And as we came in, and I wasn't there in 2001 I came there much later It came there in 2009 was my first real rotation there It it had been seven years, but really It it was almost like going back in time almost a thousand It felt like you're going back in time like a thousand years. That's one of the things we were talking about in camp that when you hear about, you know,

Socrates and all these ancient cultures, the Spartans, all these people that like had boys. Yes. And you, you, you see what's going on Afghanistan, you realize like how old a culture Afghanistan is. It's like one of the oldest civilizations in terms of like the way they behave. It's almost like they never caught up with the Western world. I think it was Michael Shermer might have wrote a book a paper about this. He wrote an article about how Islam is the only religion that didn't go through the Enlightenment and that it's essentially maintains the same values and

You know the same cultural values as when it was created. So, you know what how old is Islam? 1600 I think I think it's like 500 years past Christianity. So we'll just call 1500 years 1500 years old whatever it is that that that's how people behave back then that's what it is and when you think about like Alexander the great Alexander the great who was gay right who conquered much of Afghanistan and right swaths of the world he probably like his army and his behavior and what he probably stained that area with like a type of behavior. I Think you're 100% right. I think that you had Portions of the world were culturally cut off from being able to evolve at the same rate as some of the other places within the Middle East and

Those tribes essentially haven't had the opportunity to evolve because they've been very isolated. I mean, you look at Afghanistan, it's an extremely isolated area of the world. And if you go back to the 70s, it was relatively progressive, somewhat secular. And then the Soviet intervention, the collapse, the failed state led to the rise of the Taliban because they had eviscerated

all of the the Intellectual and the economic class and in order to succeed or live there you had to completely capitulate to The theocracy in the fascist state so you had to go back in time to live You had to grow a beard. I and when I say this is it everybody is a hundred percent No, I'm saying like this is the way people live. They lived under tyrannical rules that Provided zero opportunity for you know, if you had girls

Sorry, they're beasts of burden they treat goats and donkeys better than their girls their children the homelessness of children in a war zone is so heartbreaking like it is it it strips away at the goodness in your soul, watching desperation. And when you see homeless children every day in these cities that are dirty, starving, and there's really not a lot you can do because you have a war to fight. And you not only think about it

from the homelessness position, you think about it from the homelessness position you think about the exploitation position like these kids are so fucked they're homeless they don't have parents because maybe their fathers were either you know killed in the war their mothers can't they they can't afford to keep them and they continue to have more kids and especially if they've been raped then there's a cycle of not only exploitation and violence but then it's also it keeps them down economically so you have massive amounts of children that were homeless and exploited and they're starving and it's you you know you from my perspective and you live in that environment and

You can't think about it If you have to shut that stuff out Because if you think about it It's like opening the door of the submarine all the water's coming all the water's coming in it's going to fucking sink you so you have to you have to build a for a lack of a better term man you have to build a house on your soul because you can't function and uh meet and exceed your mission success criteria if you get steamrolled by depression on what you're seeing every day.

Oh my God. Time and repetition, which is one of the big problems I think with the GWAC community, at least what we've had in the last 20 years. I mean, there's lots of different compounding factors that I think contribute to the acceleration of veteran suicide, which I don't want to like launch into some rant about the issues that I think we're all faced, but it's definitely something that I'm extremely passionate about. Yeah, I'm really hoping, and we've talked about this a bunch of times in this podcast, but I'm really hoping that something's gonna change with RFK and about psychedelics and veterans. I really really am hoping that they open

their eyes to this stuff. Well I was talking to Marcus Capone and he runs VATS which he's the guy, his organization, is the organization that takes the guys to Mexico to do Ibogaine. And Mark is a retired SEAL. I was talking to him yesterday, actually. And we, I'll go off on this, which is, you know, we as a subculture from the Global War on Terror community, the veterans, we're

under an epidemic of suicide and depression. And the VA has not been a help to us, especially the war fighters, like the guys that are, we have rogered up time and time and time again. They've gone overseas, we've done the bidding for the country. We've watched our friends get killed and fucking torn in half and like very ultra-violent ways. We've been exposed to overpressure and chemicals and all these other things. And then we come back and within the VA system their answer is here's your pills, here's your retirement, shut the fuck up. And it's not working. You know Marcus and I were talking about

this yesterday. He was on antidepressants for seven years. Seven years like antidepressants they weren't working and he just by chance his wife I believe said this might work we needed to go to we need to go to Mexico and do Ibogaine this might work so here's a guy that went did one time has never been an antidepressant since did he have to get off him before he went there I I don't know exactly what the protocol is as far as like you have to get off and then you have to get back down there I know that most of my friend group now, they've done it and they have an extremely high success rate. You know, Vets has done a thousand

former war fighters and they have an extremely high success rate where they're eliminating pharmaceuticals. So they'll go down, they'll do it one time, maybe they've done, you know, subsequent sessions, and they have this really high success rate. And this is part of the issue. Better than anything. Yes. This is part of the issue. Yeah. Is we're under an epidemic of veteran suicide, like more so than we ever have. And the worst

thing about this too is it's also affecting our family and our kids. Like our kids are four times higher to commit suicide than our peer set. So it's not just, it's also affecting our family and our kids. Like our kids are four times higher to commit suicide than our peer set. So it's not just the GWOT veteran community, now it's our families and our children. You have something that has such a proven track record to help heal vets. And we can't do it without breaking the law.

We have to leave the country It's insane. So you can send me to Iraq under false pretenses and You know you can have Wolfwits and Cheney and Rumsfeld and all these this like orchestra fucking idiots can send us all to Iraq But with for weapons of mass destruction We can go fight the wars can send us all to Iraq, but with for weapons of mass destruction, we can go fight the wars, come back, and now we have to break the law to go fix what's wrong with our heads or our emotions or

not only our psychology, but dude, we're broken. Like we've been beat up and kind of shoved in a closet and then we're sedated and told to shut the fuck up. And meanwhile, Wolfowitz and Bremer and all these other guys, they get to walk around and provide public speeches about how fucking great they are because they're strategically important. Whereas my peer set, we're under an epidemic of suicide, our kids are committing suicide, the VA's no help to us, and we have to go break the law. It's like you get to go flip a fucking coin and paint some paintings and you think that everything's okay.

And that one doesn't make any sense. Out of all the ones, that's one that, mushrooms you can do recreationally. No one's doing recreational Ibogaine. I've never done it before. Have you done it? No. I've never done it, but everybody that I've talked to, they said it is one of the most like ruthlessly introspective journeys in your life. It's not fun at all.

Dakota Meyer told me, he's like, I fucking hated it. I couldn't believe someone made me do it. After it was over, I was like, what the fuck am I doing? It's not a fun time. It's not a recreational drug. It's not a drug of addiction. It's not a drug of dying. It's not what's the L let's find out what the LD 50 rate is for Ibogaine. It's probably bananas. It's probably just like psilocybin probably can't really overdose on it. No, I don't know that I don't know. Ibogaine might kill you it sounds really crazy potent most of my

My close friends have done either I wascar Ibogaine Neither of which they would say is a good time all of which have said all of which 100% and They've come back and been not only fundamentally changed but better and these are you know my business partner Jared Taylor he's gone and done Ibogaine and and then multiple other people that probably don't want me to talk about them on the podcast guys that have been on 15 20 different pharmaceuticals can literally scrape them off their dresser into a garbage can the day they get back. Crazy. And the fact that we aren't trying to evolve this section of the medicine, I know that

Stanford did a study, I'm not exactly familiar with all the data associated with it, but the fact that we aren't leading the charge as a country to come up with dynamic, out-of-the-box solutions for the guys that have gone overseas and done the hard and courageous task for this country, and then they come back and they can't get help, and we're not pushing the envelope? That's a crime. I mean, I've got lots of issues with Iraq at this point know, Iraq at this point, right? I mean it's fundamentally

I've told this to people like Iraq is with me every day right Afghanistan was was a part of my life, but Iraq Fundamentally changed me for the rest of my life and I think about it every day. It's not going away. It'll never go away and What about Iraq that was much different than Afghanistan that changed you? Well, it's the first war experience I had. For me, I was hook, line, and sinker. Regime change. We've got to find weapons of mass destruction. We've got to eliminate the threat

We got to fight him there so we don't have to fight him here. Everybody thought it was real. Hell. Yeah Yeah, I mean there was nobody more motivated to go to war Than than me, you know Yeah, I mean, I'm sure there was but you know what I'm saying you were in that yeah, you were gung-ho Oh a hundred percent. It's not only hey, we're gonna go to war. We're gonna do something good for America These guys attacked the United States We're we're going to eliminate the terrorist threat and

You know war is it such a strange and surreal circumstance Because it changes you for good. It changes you for the bad and I've looked at this a lot and I've looked at this a lot and I looked at like life experience like a Radio wave almost like a band where you have highs you have lows and most people He will call a 90 plus percent of the United States there Their frequency only gets so high and only gets so low and it basically stays within we'll say a fairly small band within the center. Combat what happens is you go really high and you go really low and it forces you outside of social norms on a second

to second basis and then you do that over and over and over again and so one person might get in a car wreck in their life and that goes really low So it's a really high adrenaline dump and it goes really low because they have an injury. That's like one thing well Going out in a combat zone Multiple night like not only multiple nights a week. Sometimes you're doing multiple targets a night You might go on you might be getting in it with the rough equivalent of an adrenaline car wreck, what the rough equivalent of a car wreck from an adrenaline dump and a high and a low,

you might doing that three or four times a night. And then you're doing that night after night, week after week, and it fundamentally changes you because you have to chop all of this down because if you get too ramped up and too chaotic, you're gonna lose control and you won't be able to complete your mission criteria. If you get too low, you also won't be able to achieve your mission criteria. Your survival instincts kick down. So it chops your ability to feel all the way down

to a normal person's bandwidth because it's a survival mechanism This is just my own assessment so From a combat experience perspective the first time You feel it And I'll tell you I mean the first time I was in an ambush I

And I'll tell you, I mean the first time I was in an ambush, I was losing my shit. I mean anybody that tells you they're not fucking scared, they're either fundamentally flawed, they're like Travis Pastrana, he doesn't have a fear portion of his brain, or they're just lying. You're scared out of your fucking mind. Going north, driving north into Iraq,

you're looking into the deep dark abyss of the unknown And like what the fuck am I gonna be a coward? You know am I gonna live am I gonna die? I mean our casualty Projected casualty rates was that we were gonna lose most of our ODA So you're stepping into a situation where you're going okay? Well, I know out of this six shooter that I'm gonna play Russian roulette with there are four bullets in this oh my god, and you're driving north going okay? Let's fucking do it So you've already capitulated and given yourself up to die

Which is it's actually a very cathartic and I think personally An experience that you can evolve from because at that point if you're dead you can live uninhibited. Everything I do from this point forward is gravy on the steak man, I'm already dead. I was driving north in Iraq and I like through like the desert and my best friend and I are like driving north and and you have like hours to stare off into the fucking sand you know you're you've got night vision goggles or whatever. I had a whole fictionalized funeral for myself. I just

fucking what else am I gonna do, right? You're just like driving north, you know, and there's nothing going on. So I had a whole fictionalized funeral. I buried myself. And so I was already dead, or at least I felt like that. And then we get in her first engagement and the world starts cracking apart and your mind can't

keep up to what's actually happening. You'll hear the gunfire and I felt the explosion. I looked in the rear view mirror of the Humvee, which sounds crazy. I looked in the rear view mirror and I saw this car-sized chunk of fire flying behind the vehicle like so distinctly remember this and I'm turning my my my team leader And I'm like we gotta get the fuck out of here. You know I'm like losing it right so stupid That's so stupid. We gotta get the fuck out of here. You know like losing it dude. I'm just like a losing it He's like and he's cool man. He's like calm cool. He's on the radio. You know he's like you know vehicle one

you know or vehicle three is vehicle one vehicle three this vehicle one and We're checking to see if We have comms between us and the other vehicles, and I'm fucking losing it. Yeah, fuck out of here You know it's like okay Because I mean you know you're used to like watching movies or whatever and it's the first time anything like this has ever happened right Yeah, and

And at this point you know the full insurgency hasn't kicked off that we were hunting fettie and These guys weren't the most sophisticated cats on the planet. They weren't that good so But we end up pushing through and then consolidating at the end of this and Fundamentally this this like changed my Tactical experience in combat forever because my team leader who I respect and loved he was killed two years later He's one of my best friends. It was my best friend He turns to me and he goes hey man if you don't have a solution to the problem just shut the

fuck up that's great advice I know advice across the board yeah and I was like okay Roger that you know I was like okay fucking Roger that man and then it became a practice discipline when shits going super sideways and you know bullets it went both of line I hate sounding like that I don't want to say I don't want to sound like that at all. But that's what it is. Dude, you keep your shit together. And then I became, by the time my last ambush in Iraq

I was in, I'll bookend this experience with ambushes. I was in Mosul. And I was in a little BMW trying to work my way and I was working at a basically low, like you're trying to fly under the radar, you're low-vez CIA at this point. So we're trying to blend in, we got hit at a checkpoint when they light us up and so now I'm alone in a car with another guy in the CIA chief and the entire Iraqi army in Mosul Iraq is essentially pursuing us through the from I mean Mosul is the size of Los Angeles and I started at the north end of Los

Angeles basically and had to work my way to the southern end of Los Angeles being shot at and And I'm trying to sort through the problem man, like I got a fucking map sheet and You don't know I mean this is this is Mad Max and the fucking Thunderdome I mean mazal was one of the most fucked up cities in Iraq like it was It looked like going back to Stalingrad in different sections of this place. It was a complete shit show. And I'm alone with my, you know, the guys with and I'm trying to navigate through the city and help the driver. We were being pursued from from literally north to south. Yeah, being shot at and we're going, okay, right turn, right turn, right turn. turn and I mean I have

the I have like the Dragons are at the bumper they're gonna fuck it they're gonna pull me out of this car and chop my fucking head off like they're gonna turn my car into Swiss cheese they're gonna fucking chop my head off I'm dead we're dead and I have like I, Kyle was, they were on station, we had a really good relationship with these guys. And I was like, hey, you know, you, this is me, I'm in a black BMW, like. And I'm moving from north to south,

and the helicopter came back, so I know who you are. I'm like, you got everybody following you. Because not all checkpoints are created equal and for whatever reason, they decided they were gonna kill us that day. And you don't have time, you're not gonna sit around and be like,

why do you guys wanna kill us? Well, we're just good guys, you know? You're just gonna keep moving. I had to work my way all the way south to a bridge. You're just gonna keep moving I had to work my way all the way south To a bridge And I had like one last one last fucking hill Mary man like we had to get across We had to get across a bridge into place called diamondback and I didn't have a QRF because they couldn't pin us down a quick reaction force and um

quick reaction force and um like the Chi was like they they saved our life because they had they had the roads blocked off on the bridge and I was basically smoking in like a hundred fucking kilometers an hour and the Chi was came down and like literally dropped their fucking skids in the front of the on the on the front of the car and Panned around like we're gonna kill all you fuckers. Wow. Yeah, and I looked over at one of the guys, I looked over and like flipped him off.

And it was like, you dead, you know? And then like parting the seas like Moses or whatever, they moved the fucking cars and we drove back in. That was it. So bookending, my back in was that was it so bookending my point that conversation was I was losing my shit my first one right and I Came back and I was talking to Kyle was and they're like

Bro, we didn't know how bad this was because it sounded like you were ordering a pizza But everything Everything in between was like, rep after rep after rep after rep was like, calm down, keep your shit together. And one of my really close friends, this guy Jeff Kirkham, my first team sergeant like awesome fucking guy like one of the most tactically relevant people in my life He's like psychology is more contagious than the flu So when you start losing your shit, it infects everybody else around you What a great quote. Yeah, and college is more infectious than the flu That is a great quote

Yeah, man, that's so real so real. That's so real That's so real with everything everything everything it controlled every piece of what I would do from that point forward like lose your shit in a gunfight and point forward like lose your shit in a gunfight and Then you infect everybody else around you. Yes rise to the occasion be the calm in the chaos Become you know even if you don't feel like it even if you're you're a wigging out man like of course internally

You can't you can barely keep your shit together But what you do is you're like, okay, but I gotta I gotta project This because if I infect everybody else with my chaos I'm injecting more chaos into the equation and we're all we're all gonna run the possibility of dying because of this because of my actions Now I think that's why people gravitate towards inspirational figures is because they're trying to get some of that psychology. They're trying to get it worn off on them. You know, great quotes and great feats and fascinating people. You want to absorb some of that psychology.

That is such a great quote though, because it's so true. If you're around someone that's freaking out, you're trying to keep your your shit together It's so hard to keep your shit together. You you can't write if you're around a bunch of dudes We're just still surgeons and stoic. Yeah, and they there's no flexion What I would say is like in the time and repetition in the community. I mean, there's a default Emotion that is acceptable. It's, you know, anger. Right. So anger. And when I say joy, it's like joy from gallows humor, typically.

Right. But it's like, you have to, everybody becomes a stoic. Yeah. Nothing can phase you. And if you are a guy that is phased, your liability, gonna get chopped. Yeah, you're you're infected. Yeah, exactly Yeah, whoo, so Iraq so going back to what what I was talking about with Iraq I'm Supercharged and

My reality started kind of crumble is We met we went up we were on the first ODA's and we did this join up with the CIA to go meet this guy Muktada al-sadr this is early on this is like March of the war and Muktada al-sadr became a Prominent figure later on in the war. He was relatively not known at all in the beginning of it. And I was working with the CIA case officer at that point, not just me, it was like my

entire team. And Mactado is like, he's a bad guy. Like he's just a real piece of shit. And at that point, in Nijaf was this town this town and we went out to a meeting with him and we came back and All of us on the military paramilitary side were like this guy needs to die Like we need to actually go and he has a small armed force He's basically gonna be the instrument of the Iranians and we're having this big debate in the team room In everybody that carried a gun like we speak instrumented Iranians and we're having this big debate in the team room and

Everybody that carried a gun like we speak We speak animal kingdom We know when there's a threat right and then we have this case officer was like a you know Adjunct professor at fucking Georgetown. I didn't know his ass from a hole in the ground and we're like this guy needs to die we need to go like get on him now and Case officer is like no. He's gonna work with us. You know We're like they wanted him to be an asset. Yeah

like this guy is a fucking stupid like this guy's a he's a Shia Supposedly Shia cleric know, if you know that Iraq, you got 60% of the country's Shia, it's typically gonna answer Iran. You've got 15, 20% is up north, it's the Kurds. And then you've got the rest is Sunni. And we're like, this guy's not gonna fucking work with us.

And this guy's a real piece of shit and he's already spinning up a militia. He's gonna be a problem. No, no, no, no. And we're like, okay, like you're the you're the big brain on Brad, you know, you're the you're the PhD man, like sure, you know, so we acquiesce. And years later, I don't know how many guys died Years later, I don't know how many guys died going into, going back into Najaf trying to find this fucking guy. I don't know how many, I mean, it was a whole basically surge push or probably a division

to try to go find this guy, but we had the opportunity to kill him right there. Like literally we could have, like he had less than 40 guys on the compound and we could have like gone out and got him right like that night and And then he became a problem and not only to become a problem It was like the the the decision makers were so poor at that point in the early in the war It started to really affect me in the sense of like I was still bought and sold

But I sort of really think these guys might not know what the fuck they're doing when It was like Wolfowitz and Rumsfeld and Brennan When they debathified Iraq so after we invaded when they de-bathified Iraq, so after we invaded, they did this thing called de-bathification, which was basically they fired the military and everybody that was involved in the bath party. And once again, we're in the team room, and we're watching CNN, and it's Rumsfeld talking about

we're de-bathifying Iraq, we're firing everybody. And I'm not exaggerating everybody in the everybody in the team room was like what the fuck? Like you guys like you guys are you guys are gonna create the insurgency like it was on the ground That moment that second like I wanted to throw like I Want to throw a fucking brick through the TV. Like, I was like, these guys are paint by numbers creating an insurgency. They have no fucking clue what they're doing.

And that was like that moment, which is fairly early, where I lost a lot of confidence in the decision makers. But, okay, you know, the question is, why did you keep going back? Well, because you want to try to search for meaning and you're trying to find the actual purpose. Like what is the purpose? Like are there WMDs here? Like are there you know like legit direct traces back to 9-11? Are there things that we're doing

that are going to directly affect and protect America? And you're kind of searching for it and not kind of you are like that's what you're doing or at least that's what I was doing and by the time by the time I left in 2009 I just figured I was gonna die like I was like fuck fuck this place, like fuck, like, like, um, I lived Iraq, right? And then it was like, well, I think time and repetition in thinking that you're dead for that long and then. Searching for not only some, some, what I would say is good and the war itself, because there is good.

You have your buddies, you have the camaraderie, you have the adrenaline, but you also think you're gonna fucking die every day for years on end and that's not fundamentally it turns out it's probably not good for you psychologically I guess and so I went to Afghanistan thinking well and I went to train Afghanis for a force up there and when I went to train those guys it was hey if I can train Afghanis to take on the war maybe I can protect 18 year old kids from getting their fucking legs blown off. You know, maybe I can protect the you know, the 20 year old Kid from Nebraska from getting a fucking RPG stuff through their face

And I was older and I was also willing to die so The kids when I say the kids, you know, 18, 20 years old, like man, it's not, you know, it's not fun to watch those, when I say that, that's an understatement. It's so heartbreaking to watch a kid that's never been to fucking combat, like, die. It changes everything in your life and so you go from you know Iraq to Afghanistan you know and I'm watching all this stuff unfold and there's like there's and I don't want to say it's all negative because there's there's you know there were things that were very positive. But I'm so jaded by the time I get there

that I'm like, well, if I can save some Americans, I'll save some Americans. And if not, at least this will be an interesting experience. And then there's a laundry list of other things that we can talk about. I don't want to get so fucking down, I guess. It seems like it's impossible not to once you go back on it. And how could you not?

And the overwhelming negative experiences, the overwhelming, horrific experiences. Well, I think that's where I have this massive distrust in politicians. And I think that's part of the reason. They have squandered the courage of the American servicemen in these forever wars that we've entered in under lies. So like, you know, Wolfowitz and W and Rumsfeld and- Colin Powell. Yeah.

Sorry, man, I don't have any respect for those guys. Like, not only do I not have any respect for those guys, I have a profound amount of hatred for their arrogance. I'm my 20s. I'm not making excuses But you know, there's plenty of guys like me that were not only hook, Lane and sinker and I still would I'd still sign up For this country. I think service is a remarkable Courage it's courage and service back to our community is something we have to cherish like we do but when you have an orchestra of idiots

that are manipulating the courageous men and women of our country to go into these wars based on a neocon pipe dream And there's no consequences on a neocon pipe dream and there's no consequences. You know, you can pull out of Afghanistan and leave billions of dollars of equipment. Who the fuck got fired? But if I made a mistake, if me and my buddies made a mistake,

we fucking, we lost our lives. We'd go to jail. Like we lost our clearances. And I'm not trying to sound like a whiny bitch. I'm just saying like, no consequences for these guys nothing nothing nothing, you know They get to go paint paintings and they think it's okay Imagine no consequences for lying about weapons of mass destruction and it has there ever been a large-scale Investigation as to what led them to either believe or to push the narrative that there was weapons of mass destruction

Well, I think if you you read I mean, there's a lot, I think there's a lot of like, there's a lot of books out there, obviously, and whether or not you have to kind of sort through the actual documents and figure out like where these guys were at. And I've spent a little bit of my life trying to understand from their perspective. And I honestly think big part of it is the guys who are making the decisions. They're hubris, they're utopian belief that they were going to be able to rebuild Iraq like Houston. You know, like, oh, it's an oil country, you know, and, you know, they really believed that if they didn't rein in this rogue nation of Iraq, that Iraq was

going to eventually contribute to terrorism. And you had guys that were so consumed with their intelligence when it flipped to not only hubris, but they didn't have wisdom they had intelligence the wolfowitz is a smart guy he's not an idiot the problem is he's not wise these guys weren't wise men there's a difference between having a high IQ and having the experience and repetition seeing death and destruction seeing people's lives fucking torn apart, and then understanding something from reading a book or thinking about it from an economics

perspective. And you know, I think Wolfowitz, Rumsfeld, Cheney, they had this belief that they could do anything they wanted to validate this. And they did. They had to data mine information and pull and pluck from different analysts that agreed with them. But most of the intel community didn't agree with them. They're like, we had defeated the Iraqi army to the point when I say defeated it. Like if we go back to the 90s we say Desert Storm was 91 and then from that point forward you can basically say you know HW to Clinton administration, Clinton administration with the economic sanctions and with the integrated bombing

campaigns that they had led throughout the 90s we had essentially stuffed that guy back into a hole where the only thing he could do was sell oil on the black market and he had a really he had a he had a fascist state where he and his family had you know complete control out of the country but he wasn't going to be a threat from an international terrorism perspective. That's just false. It's not only false, but it is patently false. And they had to mine the data to validate it. They had to lie. They had to sift through and find and pick and pull the pieces of information. And they really thought this was gonna be a fucking cakewalk. They did.

Because of Desert Storm, you think? They thought because of Desert Storm and what they... And they were listening to these assets like Chalabi and some of these former Iraqi exiles and they're listening to these guys. By the way, we're also manipulated by the Iranians and paid for by Iranian intel guys. They're Iranian assets. They're listening to these people and they were living in their own echo chambers Validating this this idea that it was better for regime change for the international Not only the international economy, but it was going to be a stable

Petroleum based country where we could integrate democracy and none of these guys were arabes none of these guys actually understood the middle east not one they didn't have any combat experience they didn't really have any combat experience from the long-term low intensity conflict uh guerrilla warfare perspective they were given not only the information, but they were given, most of the information they were given was saying, this is going to be much more complex than you think it's going to be.

And they denied not only the opinions, but the information, and they went ahead with their fucking plans anyway. Rumsfeld chopped single-handedly, dictated how many people were going to participate in the war. He was dictating how many divisions it was going to take and he's like, actually, I think you could do it for half that. He was trying to negotiate how many guys that Tommy Franks was going to use to invade Iraq. And Tommy Franks didn't have the balls to say,

actually, I need two more divisions. So a lot of this is just like fundamentally, these are professional politicians and bureaucrats drinking their own piss. Like I was saying earlier, you know, like you can drink your own piss once or twice before your kidneys start to shut down and it'll fucking kill you, right?

These guys are all sitting around in their echo chambers talking to the same types of people, defining how they were going to send servicemen and women to Iraq, and they were wrong. Not only were they wrong, but they were told otherwise by lots of different people to include, I mean, Tony Blair had a lot of different issues with this. Colin Powell essentially sold this

and got the dominoes to fall on the entire thing because they knew that Colin Powell was so respected that if he sat in front of the UN with Tenant, who was the director of the CIA right behind him and held up this little thing of VX or whatever it was was that they could push it across the line from the international community I mean these guys were crooked man, and it not only were they crooked they were so fundamentally wrong and There's no consequences nothing zero consequences. They put Martha Stewart in jail. Yeah Yeah, they'd go after Trump for fucking two years on, you know, Russia collusion.

It's like you spent seven trillion dollars in thousands of American lives, hundreds of thousands of lives in Afghanistan and Iraq, and you're saying you're gonna put this guy through the wringer for two years because there might be some dossier that was paid for by the Clintons. Like who's the criminal? And so for me, I get all wound up when it comes to this because rep after rep, year after year, my two closest friends in the world were literally one torn in half by a EFP which was a direct Iranian manufactured

shape charge You know my other friend was turned into fucking moon dust And I mean these are my two closest friends in the world like as I grew up with in the army that I spent every fucking day with and Since then I've had obviously more friends but I mean there's the two closest friends in the earliest part of the war so I'm so directly affected by this because it fundamentally changed who I was forever it gave me a profound amount of mistrust in my government. You know, the decision-makers, I don't believe, I actually don't believe what they're

telling me anymore. I have a lot of skepticism when it comes to the people that are pulling the handles in government and I have to go to my piercet and what I told people is man my my my currency is courage right it's like that's what I broker in so my friends that have gone through the GWOT which I'm extremely happy for all these GWOT guys that are in like getting appointed to these positions you know you've got Pete you've got Tulsi, JD. They fundamentally know what war is.

And when you have decision makers that have never been to war and their kids will never go to war, and Cheney's kids never went to war, W's kids never went to war, and none of these guys, by the way, they're all Vietnam-era guys guys none of them went to fucking Vietnam So it's really easy Trump didn't either right you got a bunch of deferments, but I think the difference is is that when somebody's saying

Stop the endless wars, right? I Am more than happy to go chips in on that narrative than I am to go, oh, we need to invest and put more time, money, energy into creating more chaos and destruction in the American service members' lives or the lives of other people. Did you ever see that speech with Mike Pence and Tucker Carlson?

No. Tucker Carlson essentially ended Mike Pence's political career. Really? In one speech, yeah. Because this was when Pence was running for president and Tucker was sitting there with him and Pence was talking about getting helicopters and tanks and weapons to Ukraine and he was explaining how they're being incompetent because they weren't providing them with what they needed and Tucker went on this rant. See if you can find it. I bet you could find it under that. Here it is.

Listen to this. Let me hear what he says. Look, you just start right where your cursor is Click where your cursor is We'll let somebody transfer some jets, I'm sorry, mr. Vice president Yes, I know you're running for president you are thank you. You are stressed that the Ukrainians don't have enough American tanks Every city in the United States has become much worse over the past three years. Drive around, there's not one city that's gotten better in the United States and it's visible. Our economy has degraded, the suicide rate has jumped, public filth and disorder and crime have exponentially increased

and yet your concern is that the Ukrainians, a country most people can't find on a map, who've received tens of billions of U.S. tax dollars, don't have enough tanks. I think it's a fair question to ask, like, where's the concern for the United States in that? Well, it's not my concern. What? Doctor, I've heard that routine from you before, but that's not my concern.

I'm running for president of the United States because I think this country is in a lot of trouble. I think Joe Biden has weakened America at home and abroad. And as president of the United States, we're going to restore law and order in our cities. We're going to secure our border. We're going to get this economy moving again. And we're going to make sure that we have men and women on our courts at every level that will stand for the right to life and defend all the God-given liberties enshrined in our Constitution. Anybody that says that we can't be the leader of the free world and solve our problems at home has a pretty small view of the greatest nation on earth. We can do both and as president of the United States we will

secure our border, we will support our border. We will support our military We will revive our economy and stand by our values and we will also lead the world for freedom Under my administration. I promise you amen vice president Mike Pence. Thank you very much. Just that that's not my concern That's not my concern. What the fuck are you talking about? Why how would you ever answer anything that way? That is not my concern That's not your concern You don't you don't think he just made a really good point that we're we're really confused as to first of all Aren't we like a trillion dollars in debt? How do we have it?

35 and a half trillion dollars in debt like it's crazy crazy. How do we have the money? How do we know money to send to Iraq and we don't have the money to fix our cities? How do how and how can you say that's not my concern that? What that is is the opposite of what Trump is that is nonsense talk I mean not that he doesn't have nonsense talk, but that is not a person's real feelings That is just political speech. That's just we're going to clean up our country. We're going to preserve the right to life.

Memorizing soundbites. Exactly. Exactly. And that's the entire problem with Washington right there. Yeah, exactly. They memorize soundbites. They say one thing, they do the other thing. Exactly. Exactly. Completely. They've lost the trust of their constituents. They've lost the trust of their constituents. They've lost the trust of the American public.

And by the way, it's administration after administration, it's politician after politician. Yeah. It shouldn't be a surprise if people don't like politicians. I mean, look at that guy. Yeah. He's a fucking robot. He's weird. He's a weird dude.

He's weird. You know, they kept trying to say JD's weird. JD's not weird at all. I met that guy. He's fucking cool. He's a weird dude. He's weird. You know they kept trying to say JD's weird JD's not weird at all I met that guy's fucking cool. He's normal smart as shit. I Could I could hang with that guy give me my friend. Yeah, he's not even a little weird. No that guy's weird I mean, I guess anybody who's that smart is weird You know yeah, go to Yale people that look he's weird in that way like that's an odd, dude You don't see a lot of those but normal that guy's

Bizarre like his face doesn't move. Did you get Botox at 80 like what the fuck is going on like you're weird? I think they have low IQs, and they're pushing that thing to the red That's why they're actually so afraid to do anything because they're like I have they're like I'm really pushing this thing I've got like a hundy like a 105, but my parents were rich So I went to Yale if I break outside of my box actually people are gonna know that I'm fucking retards so right Well, I still also think that if you're that ambition you have ambition at that level and you are So driven to become the alpha that you want to be the president. The amount of work that's involved in that doesn't leave a whole lot of room for reading.

Doesn't leave a whole lot of room for watching documentaries and having important in-depth conversations with people, expanding your understanding of the world. It's very narrow. They're basically actors. A lot of, most of these people exhibit a lot of the traits that I see in actors. This desire to morph oneself to please the people around you, the saying the things you think people want to hear because you want to get ahead. It's all very similar. They're actors.

And the fact that these actors can rise to a position where they can actually dictate what these military veterans do and don't do when they have no knowledge or experience in this. Now that's the fact that that's a real thing is fucking crazy. It's really crazy. I mean, I think that's by the time I left, I was so jaded. And the motivating factor was oh, sorry, I Was like no man will ever have control over my destiny again Like I won't I will not I

There's I will not put a bit in my mouth Yeah for another Man in the government. They will not be making decisions for me Yeah, I don't I don't think we can recall a time in our history where we did trust the government But this is which is such a weird thing to say, you know, I used to think it was the Obama administration But boy Obama during this Kamala Harris administration. She changed my opinion to that guy Really did you have a high opinion of him? Yeah, I did. Yeah, I did just as an intelligent person, the

statesman effect. I felt like he's probably like, caught up in the system. It's very difficult to make real meaningful change. You know, you think you're gonna do something and then you get into office, you know, like, Oh, God, what a fucking quagmire this place is. But watching him just straight-up lie About Trump that the thing that got me was that very fine people thing of the white supremacist thing They just kept trying to say that he was a racist Which is this thing that I think worked in like?

2017 yeah, I think it worked back then I don't think it works anymore. I don't think people believe it anymore I think that we've gotten numb to all this stuff. It's a sky-is-falling thing. Yeah Yeah, I will for whatever it's like you guys can only call You only call me a fascist so many times I mean like the New York Times wrote that article a couple years ago, right where I'm like It was the front of the coffee cup where it's like do you want Trump 2024? Do you want low taxes? Do you want this? Yeah, I'm like I want all that sounds good and like you can only call me a fascist racist asshole I mean to be fair like I am I can float into the asshole

category relatively easy but yeah only when prompted yeah it's uh you know what my fucking favorite things of this whole election cycle has been? Yesterday when Biden Biden and Trump sat down the White House. Yeah, Biden voted for Trump. I Guarantee it. I fucking guarantee it. I never saw that dude so happy in his fucking life He lost his party lost So happy in his fucking life. He lost his party lost He was happy when when Obama had to shake hands with Trump and do the whole transition thing Obama looked like Jesus Christ Look at his fucking smile, man. That's like when your kid gets married.

That dude looks like a hairless cat. Look at him. It's great. First of all, what have they done to him? What have they done to his face? Go back to the other picture because it was more high res. Look at his mug, man. First of all, for sure he's got something going on with his forehead.

They botoxed the shit out of his forehead. They gave him a facelift for sure There's a bunch of different things they did which very ill-advised by the way folks look at Trump He looks like shit. No one cares everyone loves him Do you don't you don't look better if you get your face pulled back like a lizard? He just more look more like a lizard. Everybody thinks you're a lizard already, but look at that smile That motherfucker has never been happier in his life in his life he's like that bitch she went down you can't tell me he wasn't happy like when he put that MAGA hat on you ever see that oh yeah yeah he

took it with him on the plane I'm guarantee you I guarantee you that motherfucker was happy he had a giant smile on his face. He said welcome back to him I thought it was Hitler. I thought he was dangerous. That's what they all said right? It's like hey, this is that he's a threat to democracy It's like oh hey, we're gonna have a smooth transition here. This was the guy that you said was sharp as attack Four months ago four months ago that guy was gonna be running again. Mmm, and now here he is smiling like a Cheshire cat How big was this that's a crazy smile and he looks He looks he's wearing a mask. He might be yeah Biden did you ever see the fake Biden? Yeah, yeah the tall guy. Yeah, that guy was so much taller

I was like six four. He's a giant bite They're gonna smoke that one by us like it's like dude this guy's like, you know six seven could be playing in the NBA He was so much taller. They showed Jill and him together. Jill's like what happened? That's a different human being It's so nuts man It's so nuts all the different things that happened during this election are Wilder than anything you've ever seen in a fucking movie it brought I think it brought so many more people into politics too and people The more people pay attention To what's going on with?

politicians with the country, I don't think that's a bad thing because I think bureaucrats and politicians alike, they directly benefit from people not paying attention. Yes. And so they only want you to pay attention once a year when they're going to try to get everybody galvanized around a couple little stupid things and then get them out to the voting booth, but not too many. We don't want a lot of complex thought out of the voters. We don't really want them to think about too much

Because you know, we still got we still got a national deficit that we got to increase and I got a line the line The pockets of all my buddies. Yeah, you know Raytheon North of Grumman and in Lockheed Martin like we don't want them to get in too far Yeah, like don't don't start talking about the reserve or don't Like I think that's what it is. Well, I think that's also why politicians are Some of them at least are terrified of podcasts. Yeah Because you do have to talk about them But that's what makes guys like JD and guys like Trump unique in that they will just sit and talk with anybody I mean he sat with Theo Vaughn with Theo talked to him about doing coke. It's awesome

It was so funny It was amazing It was amazing. He has an ability to be himself no matter who he's talking to and Him talking to Trump about how he used to love to do coke It's like and Trump's just sitting there, which was super funny by the way It's like and Trump's just sitting there, which was super funny by the way Like you see Theo falling apart in front of you like Jesus Christ. I thought I was running for president I think I might help this young fella Talk to you about this, but like you know Kamala didn't have the ability to do that

Or if she did nobody brought it out of her. I was hoping I could I really was I was hoping I could have a conversation With her there's all this talk now that the reason why she didn't do it is because of progressive people in her party, the pushback, which might have some truth to it, but for the record, they offered me two very specific days in different places in the country to travel and then go do it and do it for an hour. And I said I didn't want to do that and

Especially after Trump had done it here in three hours. I'm like this is the only way to do it and Elon said it best He said he goes you can kind of bullshit someone for an hour because our two and our three Like that's that's when the real you comes out. Yeah, you're you're gonna get it's the real you you're gonna You're gonna tear the layers off the onion, right? It might make you cry. Yeah, and Where you peel it the more you might be like oh this person's How much are you bullshitting the world right? Yeah, the the quote about Trump or the narrative about Trump has always been that he's bullshitting everybody. These are con man He's definitely very persuasive

You know Scott Adams has wrote about this pretty much in depth, about how well Trump practices the art of persuasion. You know, the art of the deal. He's great at making people his friend and making relationships, and if you're his enemy, fuck you, scorched earth. You know, it's like this... And there's fear of that. You don't want to get on his bad side. There's all this, like, there's this art of art of like how he negotiates and it's gone through this Years and years and years of business, but but that's him. That's the guys right there

You could talk to him about everything and anything. He's right there. He's not protecting any of his ideas He called a girl. He's allegedly slept with horse face when he was the president on Twitter. It's so funny It's the wildest shit. So you're getting what you get. That's who the guy is. And you love, I like him. I've grown to like him. I had a much more negative opinion of him back in the day

because it was, there's only so much you can pay attention to and do deep dives on before you lose your fucking mind. And with him, I was like, oh, that guy, they grabbed him by the pussy guy. It's probably not good for the country. That seems crazy. But as with him, I was always like, oh, that guy, they're grabbing by the pussy guy. It's probably not good for the country. That seems crazy. But as time went on, I was like, oh, you need a guy that is completely crazy to expose

how corrupt the whole system is and how they all collude together and how they all say this. There's all these montages of clips of news organizations saying the same narrative outright over and over verbatim, word by word. They're getting fed this by someone, some entity, some, they're somehow or another they're collaborating. And they're all choosing this very specific narrative and they're running with it and they're trying to destroy people with it.

And I saw them do it with me. I saw them do it with me during the COVID thing. And it was all motivated by the pharmaceutical drug companies and the profits. And they were terrified that someone's going to come along and somehow or another put a notch in this little thing that they've created, which is a devious little thing that they've done where they eliminated all sorts of other remedies. They cut out all these generic drugs that possibly could have been used to help people, they denied people the use of monoclonal antibodies, they pushed the fucking shit out

of this one thing so they could make money off of it. And they did it in collusion with the media. No one acted like a journalist, no one looked at the excess deaths, no one looked at the instances of myocarditis in young people, no one looked at any of that. There was no journalism. It just showed everyone that the whole system is bought and paid for, it's all corrupt. And the only way you could find out who a person really is

is to listen to them talk for long periods of time. It's the only truth serum we have left. And even that's not 100% effective, but it's pretty good It's pretty fun. Your brain knows bullshit You know you ever like met some guy and like he's dating this girl that you know And there's just something about the it's like what he's shaking my hand. He's being nice to me See I'm like I don't trust this motherfucker something's gross about this guy And then you find out he's a piece of shit

But it's always this thing like yeah feel something if you talk to someone long enough There's patterns in the way they talk the way they think The way they consider things whether or not they can admit that they're wrong or whether or not they could tell you why they changed Their mind whether within how did they form their narratives, like what bad paths were they on and what personal correction did they make and how long did it take before you got to a better place? You learn about people when you hear them talk for long periods of time. You can't fake personal growth.

You can't fake like stuff you've learned. You can't fake flaws that you're willing to expose to people so that they could perhaps see them in themselves. You can't fake that mmm and all those people like Mike Pence He's got zero of that you can't sit that down that guy down and have a conversation of real conversation with him He's so afraid I honestly I don't think he even knows who he is Guys like that don't even know like an actor. Yeah. Yeah, they're they're like actors like my buddy Dave

We were talking yesterday you met him the other night and I've known him for 20 years like he was a lot of fun, dude You know we met in Kabul back in the day Dave Dave and I like we go way back and he's good friends of Bruce and with my friend Yeah, yeah crazy like cuz he was a team guy, right? So he's like former seal CIA guy and Dave and I were talking about this and When you when you can just be authentically engaged with people Where you can just be yourself in and that's part of the issue with I think a lot of vets is and why they like Why they connect really well with vets?

a lot of vets is and why they like why they connect really well with vets is because you can just authentically engage with people and say I this person knows I'm a little bit broken this person knows that I've probably done shit that I'm not super proud of and they know that I've got a dark sense of humor but I can like just kind of open I can open my heart and just have a real conversation with somebody And that's the shit you chase Yeah, where you can just be yourself and you can talk about stuff and you can like Try to evolve the way you're thinking and feeling right? In these artificial bullshit conversations that we have throughout our day with people

We don't give a shit about or these like, you know inauthentic unreal You know veneer people it's like I have no interest in having conversation with a fake person That is stupid the best thing that I took out of moving to Texas from moving to LA I have way less of those conversations. I have almost none of them here Well, my conversations with here look with normal people, right? They're normal so many people are infected By the rhythm of Hollywood which is just about people trying to become successful And the way you become successful in Hollywood is you get chosen because you have to go on auditions, right? That's the that's the primary right the number one top of the food chain

Well, I guess rock star rock star and movie star or number one and number two maybe interchangeable Maybe they're the same. If it's a 10, like biggest stars in the world, it's movie stars and rock stars. And movie stars, everything you do is about your relationships with people and whether or not people think you align with them politically and whether or not you support the right causes,

you wear the bow tie at the Oscars, you act proper, you do all the things that you're supposed to do. And if you do all the things you're supposed to do, then you get into the club. And if you don't do all the things you're going to do, then they're not going to use you. They're going to use Daniel Craig. They're going to use this guy. They're going to use that guy. They're going to use Dave Bautista. They're going to use The Rock. They're going to use... There's so many guys that want these roles and there's only so many good roles. Especially if you're gonna be a male movie star.

So no one can color outside the lines. And Dennis Quaid is like one of the rare few like male movie stars who just fucking completely gave up. He's like, I support Trump. I support, I'm a Christian. You know, I sing gospel music. Like, fuck you. I quit. And he did this Reagan movie. It was a Reagan movie. Okay. It's about, it's about a 1980s president. They wouldn't let him advertise on certain social media networks because they said it was during the time of

the election and it could affect the election. What was it? Was it Facebook? Like what kept him from- was it YouTube or Facebook? Some- one of the social media outlets kept him from advertising this movie, which is a great movie, about Reagan, where he plays Reagan, he does a fucking amazing job. It has nothing to do with today! It's about a guy who's dead! He's dead! He's dad. He's been dead forever It was dead his last year office. He's fucking up full on Alzheimer's. I

That's the thing with this this whole social media, you know censorship demonization like the way that they've they've They honestly and I want to say they like there's a big group, and you, I mean you were talking about it the other night, even with your show, with the Trump show, and then it's not trending, you can't even find it, the firearms community on YouTube deals with this all the time.

Oh yeah, all the time. You know, the guys that have the huge YouTube channels from a firearms perspective, Sure. They're demonetized, they have to upload multiple times, they're in like a constant battle. My good friend Collins, Koryon Noir, his fucking show, he can't get it to grow. He can't get his Instagram to grow. He's like completely stifled. And they're keeping the lid on this. I mean, like Brandon Herrera... After he was on the podcast, podcast Facebook acknowledged mistake and lifted the restrictions

Look at this he expressed belief that Facebook labeled the content as an attempt to sway an election like the the entire Thank You Facebook It was just a mistake Jamie Jamie is just a mystery. Yeah the entire firearms community and it's weird because we When I say we we talk about it all the time like whether it's you know, the biggest YouTube channels on For the firearm space. They're constantly battling trying to keep their channels up. This is a constitutionally protected right, right and because trying to keep their channels up. This is a constitutionally protected right. And because there's a difference in political opinion,

they can tip the scale, which is completely insane to me. And there's a lot of traffic. I mean, you think about some of these really big channels that are out there, these guys drive millions and millions of views. People obviously wanna watch and they can't increase their reach or they get demonetized

and they're constantly screwed with over and over and over again. And that's the way that we've, I think a lot of us have felt we've been living under the thumb of, you know, our social media oligarchs that are deciding whether or not our information is agreeable to their political opinion. Do I ever tell you the time that I was having a conversation with a Facebook YouTube executive

and my wife had to grab my leg under the table and stop me? Seriously? In Hawaii. Okay, so I'm with a friend and my friend was an Executive at Google a very nice person great no problems with them. We're all having a good time we're sitting down drinking and talking and I got a couple in me and This lady who's a big wig at YouTube sits down across from me and we start talking and I said when it comes so we get into this

conversation it's a very friendly conversation nothing problematic at all I don't think she knows you know even knows who I am and this is a long time ago so this is like 2015-14 so my podcast is not that big right it's not that big at all let's finally I could tell you exactly when it was when did Sam Harris and Douglas Murray have a conversation? When did The Strange Death of Europe come out? Tell me about that. That's Douglas Murray's amazing book that has been proved now to be absolutely accurate in his assessment of what was going to happen to Europe with Muslim integration. Essentially, the guy nailed it.

And him and Sam Harris. Okay, so you have two public intellectuals who are having a conversation about cultures and about what is different about these Islamic cultures and their desire to impose Sharia law, like at least in certain areas. So they're having this conversation. And it gets labeled as it gets flagged off this guy's account. So I find out about this video because this guy has an account and he, I don't remember where he posted it, maybe Twitter.

But he said, I got flagged on YouTube for having this in my playlist as something that I watch. Like not even something he hosts on his channel. So I asked the lady, I said, why would someone get flagged for a conversation? She goes, it was hate speech. Just like that. Just like that. It was hate speech.

I go, do you remember the conversation? Because I watched the conversation. I don't think it was hate speech at all. She was definitely, it was definitely hate speech. But it's between two public, and then my wife just clamps down on my neck because she sees I'm fucking sick. I'm rabid. Now I'm like, it's two public intellectuals having a conversation about a real thing that's happening in the world. And there's no hate speech in that. There's no slurs. There's no degrading of people, a generalization of people. There no racism this isn't they're talking about real cultural differences and how they're gonna affect Europe and

this fucking lady just to it's hate speech the Arrogance of the way she said it to me and she was a big executive and I was like, oh boy I was just boil. I was boiling and thank God my wife grabbed my leg she fucker She grabbed the shit out of my leg because I was ready to go because the lady was gonna engage with me And I was like, okay, this is a podcast. No, you're fucked. You're fucked. You're fucked. You just lucky There's no cameras here what you're saying is absolutely crazy Like who are you to make that distinction and do you have any idea how that affects us culturally? When a person like yourself who lives in this fucking San

Francisco, this whole bizarre tech cult bubble, that's what you live in. And you want to impose this crazy leftist perspective on everyone in the world to the point where you're not even allowing two world-renowned public intellectuals have a public discussion about this in front of an audience. Dude, I would deal with that all the time where people, I would talk about the Middle East. I spent most of my adult life in the Middle East. I was in Iraq, I was in Jerusalem, I was all around the Middle

East and Africa. And I would just say I just don't agree with the way that Saudi Arabia runs, right? I don't agree with the monarchy, I don't agree with Islamic Sharia law, I don't agree. Oh, you're a fucking racist. And you're like, what? No, man, I just don't think that it's the best way to go about it, right? There's a bunch of different ways people live. It's like, no, I'm not a racist, I've lived there. I've been there, I've spent a ton of time there.

I think this is better, and these are the reasons why. And people didn't even wanna have a conversation with, oh, you're racist. But this is what's crazy, you have to be able to have those conversations, even if that person's wrong. Like if someone wants to get on YouTube and tell the world why Sharia law is better, I think they should be able to do that.

Let them do it and let someone counter it and let them have debates. And Sam Harris has had a bunch of debates like that. You can watch them online, they're amazing. Let people figure out who they agree with. And if you just shut down discourse and say that it's hate speech, and you're defining hate speech as no slurs, there's no like, we got to kill all these people, there's none of that. There's no hate in this conversation. You're saying hate speech is disagreeing with

a narrative that all leftists must ascribe to regardless of any objective assessment of the facts. And you're just sitting down and looking at it and go, you know, I don't think I agree with this aspect of it. Like, I think that like telling women that they have to wear a hijab everywhere, that's, you're not giving them the choice. You're not giving someone choices, just fundamentally bad for the race, for humans.

It's oppression. Anything outside of a meritocracy in the context of being able to evolve a conversation based on the best idea wins, and when you're chopping out 50% of your population and saying they're beasts of burden and where they belong is just essentially for- Basket of deplorables.

Yes. Yeah. This is the problem that I have with this. Yeah. And anytime that I've had this conversation around the Middle East where like these are the things I don't like about it and I mean there's lots of different things it could be the you know, the the the Arab men will typically wear this very long open bottom

Garb, right? It's typically referred to as a man dress. My god, I hate that thing, that thing's stupid. Like I've had to wear it, you know. And I fucking hate it. Did you wear underwear? Did you wear underwear in it? Sometimes, you know. You used to shit your pants?

I've worn a hijab. We were talking about it. Did you really? Yeah, I had like a tiny little like belt-fed machine gun that I'd have to wear, because I'm a small guy, right? I'm a hundred and fucking sixty pounds. And so I would often be the woman because I

could I could be the fucking I got a feminine frame man yeah I've got you know birthing hips of course but you know I could get a little saw with which is a squad automatic weapon a little belt fed machine gun a couple frags underneath a hijab and I could sit in the back Seat oh wow it's like surprise bitch Picturing you with a job and a belt fed machine gun under your dress is fucking hilarious It's so much fun man like I did you have like a thing we could pop it up like a like a Loki jacket Yeah, so you'd velcro so we had we had a whole department in the agency where? They they would like

Design costumes and shit for you. So you could I had like I had this fake mustache I got a picture of it I'll fucking send it to you But I had this fake mustache and like they would put tanner and fake mustache and and like sunglasses I'd like drive around looking like Saddam half the time like like that fucking American world police movie oh yeah full on and and it's so funny because like you'd have like a No shit a person putting makeup on you before you like go out to do something

You know got a fake mustache mustache and you know or for me I'm like just give me a job. I already know what I'm doing Fucking put me in the lady thing be the fat girl I mean the lady thing we a lot of wear makeup at all or the Islamic women a lot of wear makeup under Their hijab or no. Yeah, they can't depending on the on that on where they are Some parts they don't let them do it some parts. Yeah depending on on how where they are. Some parts they don't let them do it? Some parts, yeah, depending on how extreme they are. But if you went to Kuwait or something like that,

they would flash it. How wild is it? Signify that they're like racy. You know? Sassy. Little hussy. Look at these eyelashes. Yeah.

Oh my God, I saw our nostrils. I saw her ankles. Bitches, why? Hot. Isn't it wild though that that religion, the absolute most suppressed religion, suppressive religion when it comes to women and gays, are the ones that the progressives are so vehemently defending? That's the one they defend over all religions. You can be, like, a leftist will accuse you readily and quickly of being Islamophobic.

It's a great thing. It can shut you down. It's a great pejorative. But no one ever accuses you of being an anti-Christian. No one. It never comes up. No one, no one, there's not even a word, right? You can have Islamophobic.

Is there a Christianophobic? I've never heard it what is what is a word like a disparaging word for someone who is is Prejudice against Christians. Does it exist? I don't know. I mean it probably doesn't it's like Honky. Yeah, you know, it's like a racist term for white people cracker doesn't work Caucasian cis male I don't even know what that means phobia or whatever Christianophobia see that's that's that's never anyone under that that's too much garbly gook You can't say it fast. No, no, no, I'm a phobia is kind of fun. Yeah, it's a phobia flows It sounds like you're intellectual. Mm-hmm. Well, this podcast is filled with Islamophobia. First of all, let's just yeah discuss this

This is really important. We need to direct them to feminism. But I think that's so funny because when I, when I listen to academics, you know, I'll pull up a YouTube and I'll go down a rabbit hole on a certain thing and I'll listen to an academic and then half of them, I shouldn't say half of them, like a good portion of them, they're talking about things they've never actually experienced

right, so for me I I've lived in the Middle East like I've lived in Jerusalem I mean, I've lived and interacted and been in these cultures on it and in seeing them in a very vivid way And when I say this like and seeing them in a very vivid way. And when I say this, tactical and combat experience specifically in these countries, it's very vivid. And part of the problem with this differentiation, let's go back to it,

but this differentiation between the decision makers and the people actually implementing the tactical execution on the people actually implementing the the tactical execution on the ground is that there's a huge disconnect from the reality they don't have the wisdom to understand what it is and what I used to tell people is like I was almost like a zookeeper where I would usher depending on the person I would usher them through the fucking zoo so they could see what's going on but they would see it from afar.

And I kept the lions from eating them. Right. And there's this very clear differentiation between the people in charge, and most of them shouldn't have been in a combat zone, specifically in the agency. They should have not have been in a combat zone. And when you unpack the agency and you look at,

you have paramilitary guys, and more than more than qualified to be there and then you have like the cocktail circuit guys and They they're just trying to get their combat tour so they can get promoted to another fucking spot But they actually have no business being there meaning They need guys like me to keep them alive like they so they're just like getting in days for- That's all they're doing. The ledger. There's a very famous, infamous case officer

from Coast back in the day. And I was on the ground there, not in Coast, in Kabul at the time. And she was being groomed to be the assistant director. There's a great book on it called Double Agent, but I was on the ground when it happened and She had this Asset that she was trying to get in which is a agency asset that she was trying to get into a basin coast

Once again, this person has no They should not be here they should be be in Germany going to a cocktail party, like pretending like they're really cool because they have high intellect, but they have no context to going down to the basis of reality. And these are like rules of the jungle. Like this, like this power is the only language they speak.

Like you can't intellect your way out of this thing. Like a fucking bullet is a bullet. A bat is a bat. Like it will win over your articulation every time. If you want to win a debate and you just put an axe handle through somebody's fucking head, that's how you win, right? It doesn't matter. It doesn't matter.

So like they bring in this asset and she's like, oh, you know, this asset is the guy. He's going to give us the coordinates to Ben Laden. We've been working with him for a long time. He's an amazing guy. It's his birthday. He wants us to bring him a cake. So she bypasses all the security systems,

bringing in a guy from Pakistan. So she gets him, because he's like, I don't want to go through any security. I'm your trusted guy. I don't want to go through any security. So she tells security, stand down. She doesn't tell anybody about it. She brings this guy in through the gate,

like blows him through. Now the security guys mind you Are like what the fuck did you just do? They're running down to the situation to try to get ahead of it He steps out and he looks like the michelin tire man and fucking clocks off. Oh god And three of my friends were killed in that suicide bomb She was killed ultimately and But that's a perfect example and I mean there's like multiple different examples of

there's a different cadence mindset and capability associated with what I would say is the paramilitary guys versus the case officers the spies there're just totally different guys. And they tried to intermingle because of capabilities and more importantly, promotions, to try to get people promoted, which is another reason why some significant things have to change over there. And they got guys hurt. So they just send people to people to you just you were supposed to protect these people. Yeah

So they could be collection officers on the ground. I mean like time after time example after example I had this guy in this town called Lashkar on the middle of fucking nowhere and Well before we go there so let's rewind to Iraq. I had a spy that we were working with and they're called case officers in the agency. And we go out to pick her up from the airfield and we're like bringing her to where she needs to go. And we pick her up and she gets in the car behind she she gets in in the car behind me and She takes out her pistol She points it and I'm in the passenger seat. She's right behind me. She takes out her clock

She puts a magazine in it racks the slide right behind my head like directly into the back of my head Oh my god, and I turn around and around and I'll tell you exactly what I said. I'm like what the fuck are you doing? Around I'm like give me that thing like and I called her I called her some like very rude Very rude things right so I'm like what the fuck are you doing? Don't take your pistol out. I go if both of us are dead then think about it, but I'm gonna keep this You just don't have it anymore As I give her back I actually gave her back the empty pistol is like listen if both of us are dead

Feel free take one of their take one of our guns take both of our guns I don't give a shit because I'm dead But I get back in and the chief of base at the time Paul pulls me in it's a fucking super good dude and he like calls me he's like hey man I heard you had quite an exchange with somebody and you know we don't really appreciate you know this and you know I might be I might have to send you home I was like did she tell you what she did he's like no I just thought she got in the car and you know, I might be I might have to send you home I was like did she tell you what she did? He's like no, I just thought she got in the car and you told her like

You know you fucking dumb whatever and give me your gun. I was like no she Wrapped her slide into the back of my head. He's like, oh god get out of here. I'll talk to her It's like oh god get out of here I'll talk to her. Like, oh God, get out of here. I'll talk to her. Like, she forgets. But it's like. Do they even have to show competency in weapons use? Yeah, but it's. Do they go through the same sort of program?

Everybody thinks there's like this Jason Bourne type person, you know, like spies are Jason Bourne or something like that. It's like, it's just not fundamentally correct. Like any soft guy, any soft guy is so much more proficient in firearms. I taught a selection and vetting course for former soft guys that wanted to come into the agency. And I taught it for a couple of couple years and I was one of the main architects behind the selection criteria and and we would have to go out and

train spies and I would shoot their qualification course with my left hand like on two hours of sleep still half in the fucking bag like it's just so like ridiculously It ingrained. Yeah, and more importantly, it's that's not their job, right? They're their collection people and I'm defending them to a certain degree because they're very high IQ their selection criteria in their courses They're not prepared for that. No, they don't belong in those places like when you go into They don't belong in those places. When you go into a combat zone and when it's a very complex, because there's different areas in combat zones, and some of them are more dangerous than others,

you can't have some of those people there. It's too dangerous, man. You've got to have collection people that are on the military side that can handle themselves unilaterally. And you can't have like your regular humdrum spy. This isn't Jason Bourne. They're not competent.

And more importantly, that's not their thing. It's the thing of proficient artisans in combat collection in the art of war. And that is a very subset niche profession of guys that are extremely competent and very dangerous. Why do we wanna believe in a Jason Bourne? I think it's a- People love that narrative.

They love it. They love that narrative. Some super spy 007 dude that can fuck everybody up. It's fun, right? Yeah. Oh we we noticed your your your Your you're a really good boxer in your local gym, and you went to Yale. We're gonna recruit you like it fuck out of here Let's have stupid Judo champion. Yeah, he's a judo champion. You know they'd always start Man we noticed you were hitting the bags

and you're a political science major in Yale. There's a guy with glasses and a hat on watching you run around the track. I think we found our man. If they only knew the bureaucratic steps that it took to get into it where it's just so much paperwork and interviews and it's like, who is this guy? What is it done? And well, what's wild to me is the spies that infiltrate terrorist organizations

like there's There's people that are in the IDF that have infiltrated Amas they live with them. They're in there. They're in there lots. Isn't that crazy? Yeah, you imagine respectable that life That life is nuts man worried You're gonna be found out and these guys knowing Hamas knowing that a certain percentage of these people have to be Israelis Well, that is so crazy that they do that when you have those guys and we need those guys like I'm not Oh, yeah, like we need those guys must be so exciting the non-official cover the Knox. Yeah, that's that I

Mean that there's so much respect Well, you were explaining that one guy that's professor. Yeah. Well, yeah, so yeah I mean out of all the guys like I I had such a unique Ride in history in times, right? Where, you know, looking out the window, kind of just being a passenger in history and then being able to talk to some of these guys. And I would sit down and I would always find

like the older guy that's in the, you know, we have like dining halls, or the agency has their own separate dining halls and bars and shit like that. And I sat down with a guy one day and this is like hey man what's your story you know and he was telling me he was a he was an anthropology professor the University of Washington and he was he was he was finishing his PhD and he was crossing the Mackenzie Traverse in Canada. And he did it in era appropriate clothing, in a canoe, and the whole fucking thing.

Right? It's just completely insane. Oh my God. It's like so insane. And I was like, oh, how'd you get in, you know? And that's, so he's making his way across. He gets to a cabin. He's starving.

He's gonna die. He's explaining this to me. He's like, I'm going to die. I break into this trapper cabin. I find a bunch of old, like old canned food. I gorge, I just like engorge myself. And now I have the screaming shits. And I'm like wiping my ass with this National Geographic and I pull out this ad and the agency used to have ads in National Geographic. And he thought to himself, wow, that's really interesting.

I should apply. So he applied when he got back. Imagine this scenario. You're fucking starving that you're eating botulism filled cans of beans with pork and shit Wiping your ass with a National Geographic. You see that I mean, it's a fucking scene in a movie. It's insane That's a scene in a movie So right it goes back to University Washington becomes a professor the agency he goes through the entire process the agency recruits him he goes through training, but still he has to keep

his double life going. So he starts a life as a double life, in fact. Becomes a professor while he's in the agency. Correct. Wow, so from the jump, he's got a double life. It's not like he gets recruited, he's some Nobel Prize winner, and they say we need you to be for America.

Yeah. Wow. In his first job, I'll never forget him describing this to me because I didn't know. I didn't know any of this. So it's part history, part just agency history. And he goes, my first job was I flew to Angola and he goes, my first job was, I flew to Angola

and I just had a suitcase full of money and they dropped me off in the middle of nowhere and they're like, go kill Cubans. That was his job. Jesus Christ, just a bag of money. That was it. One straight directive. Okay, and so in defense here, that's cool as shit Yes, I trust that here's a bag of money. Yeah, go kill some Cubans because you had

You know, it's a proxy war right between South Africa and that it was Soviets and the Cuban by proxy, they were both supporting the communist revolution in Angola. So we're pushing back, from the state's perspective, we're pushing back against the Soviet intervention, which was driven from the Cubans. So you had a huge Cuban intervention, which is something most people don't realize. And I just thought it was fascinating

because it was the first time I heard about it. And here's this guy that his job was, here's a bag of money, go kill Cubans. That's your job. While he's a professor. While he's a professor. So he'd be like going, so he would go back to you know, whatever university and go

Okay kids. Um, I know I've been out on a dig, you know in I've been building, you know at laddles in Australia trying to do this, but really we was in Angola hunting Cubans That's pretty badass I say that's way better than Indiana Jones as far as I'm concerned Oh, yeah, right now the chalkboard and shit thinking about gunning down Okay, and then plus the five yeah who here can answer this Nobody nobody nobody can know that so he never tells anybody. Anybody. No, and he's still, I mean. So I guess with a guy like that, if you can find a guy who's willing to wear

era equivalent clothing, would you say an era correct clothing, and make his way through a trek that was most likely gonna kill people in the 1800s? You know who did something like that? They didn't do the whole thing, but Ronella, the way I met him was he had a show before MeatEater. It was called The Wild Within,

and I got really addicted to it. Seriously? Yeah, yeah, yeah, I used to love, way before I ever went hunting, I used to love watching hunting shows. I used to watch like Ted Nugent's Spirit of the Wild. My wife was always like, what the fuck are you watching? But I was always obsessed with hunting shows

and wilderness shows, people in the wilderness. Because every time I'm in the woods, I feel like there's a vitamin. I'm like, oh, again, there's a vitamin. So I was like, I wanted to like experience more of that in my life, so I was watching on TV. So there was this show called The Wild Within. And what Ronella did was, he like,

I think he used like Error-correct weapons too I think he used like a musket and he shot a bison and he turned the bison into like I think it was a bison whatever the animal was he turned it into a boat He made a boat out of it and drifted down this river He did like all these things that these pioneers did back in the day when they were making their way across the country That sounds awesome. It was pretty dope. That's how I got to meet him That's how I got him on my podcast before meteor was ever a show. Okay. Yeah, he was super dismissive of a podcast now

He's got one Am I doing here I'm in this comedy club with this fucking dude is smoking weed like this is ridiculous I feel like there's a lot of people that probably dismissed it. They're like, oh what the fuck is Joe doing? But now he's got a great podcast of his own. I love that guy to death. Oh he's awesome.

He's such a smart dude too. He knows so many things. He's a fascinating guy to talk to because he's super well read. And he can talk to you about all kinds of shit that you would not expect from a guy who's a professional hunter. No.

He talks like a PhD. But also like a hunter. Very unusual dude. And one of the very best guys to explain hunting. I saw a debate that he had. I think it was a book that he had released. And he was doing one of those talks they do at bookstores. And this guy was a vegan.

And the guy in the audience was A vegan the guy got upset with him and the Rinella handled it so perfectly They were just the way he communicated with the guy and explaining his perspective And you have a different perspective and I'd love to have a conversation with you He didn't do with any love bullshit Ted Nugent's like I your pussy grow another vagina But Rinella is like like the perfect answer to people that objectively they look at it and they go, wait a minute, I do eat meat.

Like I am a hypocrite. I am hiring a supermarket hitman. Like why am I upset at this man who not only hunts his meat but cooks it and writes cookbooks and cooks it on television. And like this is the same thing. What are we doing here? This is so stupid.

And then you get the people that really believe that you shouldn't eat anything but plants. And my problem with that is I think plants are smart. I think they just move real slow, and I think they have a way of interacting that is noticeable and measurable. I think there's probably a consciousness to plants. I think life eats life, and I think that's probably a consciousness to plants. I think life eats life and I think

that's the only way it survives and I think that's just the way it goes. That is just the way it goes. And you can choose to just eat plants but I don't think you're going to be as healthy. I just, I think it's too hard. I think people can kind of survive on vegan diets and do well on vegan diets. There's athletes that are on vegan diets. I don't think they hit peak performance and thrive. I think that's all people who are consuming nutrient-dense meats. Meats and fish and eggs, those are the people that, when you look at athletes, the predominant, the best athletes in every sport are all consuming protein. They're all consuming animal protein. There's so few that are vegans that hit elite status and maintain, a lot of them get injured

when they switch to vegan too. There's just so much in there. It's collagen and B12 and fucking, there's so many different aspects to different amino acids. You can have this ethical thing in your head and I get that ethical thing. Like, I don't want to see a thing suffer.

I think plants suffer. You just don't feel it. I really do. I think there's a communication with them that's probably similar but different to the way we feel about animals getting killed by other animals. I think it's just a part of this whole process. I mean, they've shown that you can take the recordings of beetles eating leaves and play recordings of beetles

eating leaves near a tree, and the tree will experience distress to the point where it changes the profile, the flavor profile of the leaves. it releases chemicals, these phytochemicals into the leaves that makes it disgusting for the bugs. And they do it with giraffes, like when giraffes eat, I think it's acacia trees, when giraffes eat acacia trees, the trees downwind all become disgusting to the point where the giraffes will starve because they won't eat it. They change their flavor profile to protect themselves. They release some sort of chemical

that makes them inedible. Well, I think that's so interesting because you can see it with, who's that, Paul Stamets has like, when the fungi is talking and communicating and the health benefits to like fungi and different plants. Like I think anytime you have this edict where no meat, no plants, no,

I think that's just another version of religious extremism. Where if you were just to say, what makes sense? Morally, what am I going to have to coalesce in? From me, I don't want to be a hypocrite, so I hunt. That's the way it is. And we eat a ton of wild meat. I'm not a hypocrite. We eat meat.

I love fish. I love fruits and vegetables. But I think if you're making this determination where there's no meat, this is the only thing I'm going to eat. Well, one, that's a lot of time, effort, and energy that you're spending specifically on your diet constraints that could be allocated to being a better dad? Or maybe they could do all those things too. Maybe, I don't know.

I think their philosophical point is a good one. I think their ethics, their morals, their perspective is that I wanna live a life with the least suffering possible. I think that's noble. I really do I Think the problem is life eats life And I think that's the real problem and I think the problem is if you're buying just vegetables in the store boy You need to take a good look at monocrop agriculture because it's fucking bananas. Yeah, you know, there was a

Taylor Sheridan in Yellowstone there was a scene where Kevin Costner was talking to the hippie lady is trying to like shut down ranches and shit I forget what her thing was but he was explaining out if you're on a vegan diet You want to kill the most things become a vegan because you don't understand like if one life is one life Okay If the life of a gopher and the life of an elk are the same thing and why wouldn't they be? Why would you have no idea how many things have to fucking die to make monocrop agriculture? The life of a gopher and the life of an elk are the same thing, and why wouldn't they be? Why wouldn't they be? You have no idea how many things have to fucking die

to make monocrop agriculture. It's a bloodbath. They kill everything. They kill groundhogs, ground squirrels, you fucking name it, ground nesting birds, fawns. Everything gets gobbled up by combines. It's an enormous industrial operation. It's not natural.

So now you're limited to organic plants, okay? So if you're growing all of your own food and you're growing a lot of soybeans, a lot of different things, like if you grow hemp, if you're in a place where you can grow it legally, hemp is actually a really good source of protein. It's actually got a really complete amino acid profile. You can, you know, you can survive.

You could do it that way, but if you're a regular vegan, if this is a person like, I get vegan pizza at the supermarket, shut the fuck up. You're contributing to this mass slaughter of small animals. You're just not aware of it. Have you watched that Netflix docu-series on, it's basically vegan propaganda, I forget what its's named. Is it the game changers?

I thought it was fascinating like from a wide variety of reasons, but more importantly So I went got some vegan cheese. And I was like, tried it? I was like, okay, it's not bad, but I mean, dude, it's a laundry list of ingredients associated with making this, which seems pretty insane to me, versus what's the ingredient on a good cheese? Milk.

Yeah. Right. It's so dumb. This thing's like a dissertation of ingredients Bro, and it's so processed That is literally what it is If you want to be, I've said this a million times You want to be a vegetarian? Eat Indian food

They make delicious, delicious vegetarian food You don't have to eat fucking vegan cheese Stop pretending Stop lying, stop eating Tofu-ty or whatever the fuck that shit is Get out of here Get the fuck that shit is Get out of here get out of it get the fuck out of here. That's nonsense. What are you eating and? Also eat mollusks people should look into that those things are so primitive. They're way more primitive than plants

We just have a problem with them moving. That's all it is if people like they don't even have nerves They don't feel pain right there's fucking the simplest of organisms yet They're protein is like animal protein. It's really good for you. Do you eat oysters? Oh, yeah I eat the fuck out of oysters never down there snails dude dying. Yeah, I eat escargot Oh, yeah, but every now and then I hear about a dude dying from oysters. So we're in Normandy This is super funny funny story So I I went out to the 80th anniversary for the Normandy invasion, took a bunch of dudes out there.

And my kids and I are out on this beach. And I'm taking my pocket knife out and I'm just chopping the oysters off the rocks and eating oysters straight out of the ocean. Oh wow. And my girls are running away from me. They're like, this is the grossest shit I've ever seen. And then pretty soon they got into it,

so then they're trying to find me the oysters to bring them back and show me where they are. My wife was like, you're gonna fucking die. You're gonna poison yourself. You're eating these right out of Normandy. It's one of the beaches out there. I was like, I don't give a shit. Yeah. I was like, I don't give a shit. So all the munitions are in the water.

Yeah, I'm like, I don't give a shit. And then I had to, when I'm eating them, and then I quickly searched, hey, are there, are there any toxins? After I've eaten like three, are there any toxins in the oysters in Normandy? Thank God, it was like, it was like 99.9%. I live on the edge here. Whew.

Yeah, when I lived in San Francisco, you could collect mussels. There was like mussels that were on the rocks. But then, I think I brought them home once, but then I found out that there's like a couple months out of the year that they're poison. You get like red tide, right? Yeah.

So I was like, I dodged the bullet. So I was like, like I dodged the bullet, but I was like, what's that bullet? Cause you can just go find muscles and pluck them off of things. Let me, let me ask you this. Like, so if you were to move back to California, okay? But to take Texas politics with you. That's not really possible.

But if it were, I'm taking you on an imaginary move. Yeah. Yeah, no no I like it here. You like the weather. I like everything. I like the size of it I like the way people behave people are super friendly I like the scene here the restaurant scenes amazing the comedy scenes amazing live music a Bunch of cool people now. Like so many of my friends moved here. I love it here. I just love the vibe.

I love that it's, you know, I love that we're not connected to the Hollywood machine. There's like a pool of deals and shows and things that you get roped into doing because you think about the money they'll pay you right And then you wind up like becoming one of those people like you have to say what they say You have to be put if you're not politically aligned with them. You're gonna lose gigs you change your behavior I see it with so many comics. They they're really good coming up there. They're like wow this guy's gonna be good

He's really good. He's getting better all the time, and then they get a fucking show They get a show and then they tone everything down and everything gets softer and everything You know you start seeing some like bullshit jokes in there like oh you decided to cover this joke Cover this subject just for like just for like street cred progressive street cred like you see it happen you're like ah you got called into the rocks the sirens they call you into the rocks that's what it is man they call you into the rocks you stop you stop being you you stop being you because they dangle that carrot in front of your face and

there's no carrot out here the carrot is just podcasts and other comics, right? So that's way better. There's no control. There's no Manipulation there's no someone's dangling this over you. You have to agree with what I agree with No one cares at all about any of that stuff here. Like it's it's freedom in about any of that stuff here. Like, it's freedom. I mean, we were talking about it the other, I think it was today, right? Whereas, you know, another comic was like, oh, can you believe they're a Democrat?

And they're like, no, it's weird. Like, or whatever, right? You know? Yeah. But it's fine. In the context of, I think, being a conservative, because I don't necessarily say I'm a Republican, I'm like, I just believe in less government.

I don't like bureaucrats at all. I have a high degree of skepticism on anything that they say, and I typically will question anything an elected official will say. So, for me, I'm like, I don't care if the guy next to me is gonna vote for you know, whatever Alternate

Politician I care about like what are their ideas? Why do they think a certain way? What are they doing? What kind of a human are they and what is the character of the individual? What am I gonna disagree with them? Yeah, but Who the fuck cares like it's kind of fun Am I gonna disagree with him? Yeah, but Who the fuck cares like it's kind of fun like it's kind of fun to disagree with people and debate them and have a Different opinion versus being an echo chamber where people all agree and they're all kind of lockstep in their belief system It's kind of fun to have some wingnut Talking about socialism half the time

You believe in that it's like some Orwellian nightmare man And if you could have a conversation with someone where you're friendly with each other and completely disagree. It's a beautiful dance It's a fun dance to talk to people that have just completely different perspectives, but you're not rude to them No, you just ask him. Well. Why do you think that? Well, did you ever consider this and you have conversations like two normal to people just having a conversation, okay, alright, so that's what you think. Huh. What was your childhood like? Get into it. What are we dealing with here? Like why do you have this perspective? You know, and you have to be able to talk to each other. And there's a bunch of people that we hang out with that have totally different opinions on all kinds of things. Like my friend Josh, who was here the other day, love him to

death, he told me he voted for Jill Stein. He said he voted for Jill Stein just like a protest vote. I think the two-party system's stupid. I'm like, yeah, okay, right, yeah, I get it. Look, I voted for two libertarian candidates in a row. So I'd voted for Gary Johnson and then I voted for Joe Jorgensen Why because I was like this is this whole thing's gross, but that's like, California I knew it was gonna be blue anyway, California's always blue It's like a legitimate protest vote and I guess he was in Florida. So that's a legitimate protest vote if you want to It's gonna go red anyway, whether you like it or not gonna go right yeah, Florida goes red hard

When they saw Miami go red they were like oh boy. Yeah, oh boy one of things that they were saying it is like the whole Like what goes red and what goes? Like if you look at the country like California is way more red now that it's ever been in the last four years I didn't know that Yeah, it's a big difference if you look at there's a map of California how it voted from 2020 to 2024 It's a giant swing. It's like it's the reds going like this See if you can find it Jamie. It's very interesting and

That's not because people have been radicalized. That's because the left has gone fucking cuckoo You guys have gone crazy and you're authoritarians you want everybody to behave and believe and think and talk the way you do or else I've always look at that look at the difference. Holy shit. Holy shit, dude That is wild. Yeah, it's most of California by landmass by far Yeah, it's probably 70% by landmass or 60% What is that blue up there on the east side? Like what is that close to? Is that like Taha? That's probably where they grow the weed son. Oh yeah What is that?

What is that? Where are you guys at? You guys gotta be like Taha What is that one? Like that's gotta be like Truckee or something you got to show her a walker these fuckers there it goes Oh these fuckers oh You have to get a sing yeah, go to the other just the image just the image right see I've thought about this because I always Tell people California is my my favorite climate yeah in the nation. It's very best Yeah, that's it. So what's the one in the upper? Well? It's not

The one that's blue Yeah, I guarantee that's where they grow the weed Yeah, there's they want to keep everything nice and quiet up there shut the fuck up everybody shut the fuck man We don't want these guys to like criminalize weed again. That's where there's humble Jamie Where's humble north up here somewhere up there? That's where they grow all the best weed That's where they have problems with the cartel to cartel grows weed up there to the cartel grows weed in California Oh, yeah, that's what I was gonna. That's what I wanted to ask you. It's about the cartel Do you think that they're really gonna that one was humbled that when you guys are?

I wanted to ask you is about the cartel. Do you think that they're really gonna that one was humbled that when you guys Are there was oh shit? Okay? There we go. You're right. Yeah, they grow all the weeds on Yeah, there's a dude named John Norris who's been on the podcast He wrote a book called hidden wars and he was a game warden So he just thinking he's gonna go around checking fishing licenses and shit like that And then one day they find a creek that's been diverted so they have to follow the creek that thought maybe a farmer had like damned the creek somewhere and done something to get water illegally he goes up there and he finds these PVC pipes and it reads this giant grow-up and it's all cartel guys and so this guy's job

changes from being a game war let me check check your fish right running a fucking tactical unit They had attack dogs. They had attack dogs They had fucking shootouts with the cartel in the woods over weed because here's what happened California made weed legal in the state but made growing it a misdemeanor if you grow it illegally Okay, so if you are a person who's doing it legally, you can grow it and you can sell it if you have a license. You can open up a shop and you can sell it. They tax the shit out of it, it's great for everybody.

But the problem is you made growing it illegally a misdemeanor, so then the cartel just starts growing it everywhere in the national forests because even if the guys get arrested, nothing happens. It's a misdemeanor, so it's nothing. So they're using these crazy toxic poison pesticides, all this shit that's totally illegal to use on regular crops in America. And 90% of the illegal weed that's being bought

around the country is coming from them. Holy shit, I didn't know that. And they're doing it all in national forests, and they're doing most of it in California. Dude, they find these grow-ups. My friend found one! You know him! Cody! Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. He found a fucking grow-up on Tahoe Ranch! Really?

Yes! Oh my gosh, that's right. Yes, he found a cartel grow-up on Tahoe Ranch. Where this guy carried in pipes on his shoulder. And diverted a stream. Deep into the woods, diverted a stream, and then there was this whole field of weed that these guys had planted out there.

They were camping out there. They had little religious symbols and shit they kept by their bed to protect them, like the Virgin Mary and shit. What do you think, I've heard this, this is what I wanted to talk to you about, because it pertains to the cartel. What do you think about releasing

SEAL Team Six and Delta Force on the cartels? What do you think that looks like? Well, I think you've solved one problem. Okay. What's the problem? You no longer have distribution, but you still have a demand. You still have a demand.

Yeah, the real problem is there's always gonna be a demand. The real problem, and I there's always going to be a demand the real problem And I don't think there's anything wrong with that idea by the way, okay I like that idea Yeah But the problem with that idea is you're always gonna have a demand and if you're gonna have a demand someone's gonna fulfill that demand And who the fuck is that gonna be how are they gonna get the coke in you're not gonna just not have coke So here's the question

by having Prohibition of alcohol in the United States, it's widely widely agreed that that led to the rise of the mafia. Right. Bootleggers, the mafia, criminal organizations that were organized crime that went on to do a bunch of other horrible things inside our country and they were built up with money because alcohol was illegal. The moment alcohol stopped being illegal, you still have these people with all this money now. You fucked up. Now they're organized gangsters, and now, you know, okay, alcohol's legal now,

so they're just gonna sell it legally, and they have millions and millions of dollars from a life of crime. You've already done that with the cartel. You gotta do something. You gotta do something, and you probably all show should legalize drugs. I don't think you should take drugs. I think coke is probably terrible for almost everybody. I think meth is probably terrible for almost everybody. Do people still do cocaine? I thought- Absolute, really?

Yeah, I know. Like it's really a thing still? I know people who do it. The growing Chinese investment in illegal American weed. Of course, why wouldn't they get in on it? Check out this number that it says here. Of the 2,000, sorry, of the 800 farms, the Obian says Oklahoma.

The Oklahoma Bureau of Narcotics says shut down. In the last two years, 75% were linked to China. Oh my God, China's a growing weed here! They're growing weed here! Oh my God. I was thinking about that from the, I was thinking about this from the thought exercise where I'm like, cause I, you know, I know these units.

I'm intimately familiar with them. Uh huh. Bro. If we declare war on the cartel, like these dudes are not gonna understand what the fuck is going on. No, of course not. They are gonna be,

cause, God, God bless those guys. You'll stop the distribution. That's gonna be, because, God, God bless those guys. You'll stop the distribution. That's gonna be, yeah. They are in for a world of ultraviolence they've never actually felt before, because obviously this is a very capable ultraviolet organization.

They have fucking no clue if we organize these tier one units against them. This is gonna be, what I would be doing if I was down there, like, I know all those shoe boxes in my fucking, you know, my walls that I'm gonna have to collect up, I'd be getting ready to retire right now, that's what I would be doing,

because if Delta Force is hunting me, bro, I would be so terrified. Is that a real thing that they've proposed doing? Yes, that is a real thing. Who proposed that? Ah, I is a real thing. Who proposed that? I'm almost positive either JD or Trump had said something with the new guy from ICE, like we're gonna mobilize tier one units against the cartel. The only thing I thought was like, retire.

If you guys got some money man, I would like put that away. You know like maybe move Jamaica oh somewhere Yeah, buy a restaurant like try to go legit because go legit dude if those guys are hunting you Yeah, but by the way like you're done. You're fucking done And it's a weird thing that that's going on right at our border So strange thing because it's so close to us and it's so ultraviolent and dangerous and it's just completely shaped the way the entire economy of the country works. You know they have so much power and control and it's a criminal organization that is entirely almost entirely at least funded by us by our desire. Trump declares war on cartels.

by our desire. Trump declares war on cartels. President-elect said notorious crime syndicates and drug kingpins will never sleep soundly again once he launches his plans to tackle the issue. I thought about this for a long time where I'm like if they if they turned loose Delta Force and SEAL Team 6 on cartels and pedophiles we could just kind of like erase the problem in about two years. It would be gone. He wants to send troops to Mexico. He said, we make appropriate use of special forces, cyber warfare, and other overt and

covert actions to inflict maximum damage on cartel leadership, infrastructure, and operations. Oh, Jesus. Bro, it is going to get wild from January 20th. It's going to get wild, man. It is going to get wild. It's getting wild 20th. It's gonna get wild man. It is gonna get wild Very interesting, but the thing is like people in action is action as well when it comes to this like you're just you're gonna continue to Prop them up They're gonna get more and more power and more and more money and we got to figure out why everybody wants coke What the fuck is it you think it's coke? I think that's the big one. I'm pretty sure it's the big one

I'm sure a lot of it is pills. They have fake pills. They sell street pills, different anti-anxiety medications, Molly. There's a lot of stuff they sell that's also laced up with fentanyl, which is responsible for who knows how many tens of thousands of young people die. It's like 200,000 people is what they're saying.

Is it fentanyl is responsible for the crazy high crazy high? It's insane. It's it's a horrific thing and it's gotten to the point where people are scared to try any kind of drugs They're thinking fentanyl. They found fentanyl and weed, you know what? Yes, people they found fentanyl laced weed. Yeah People are dumb as shit, man. You don't think they'll try putting fentanyl and weed people are dumb Try all kinds of things people are retarded I know people that have mixed MAO inhibitors and mushrooms and acid altogether Like what are you doing? Are you trying to go to space? Like what are you doing, man? Jesus Christ, you just experiment in your brain. What's an MAO inhibitor? What'd'd you just say an MAO inhibitor monoamine oxidase inhibitor?

It's the the ingredient in ayahuasca that makes DMT orally active So a monoamine oxidase breaks down DMT in the gut. That's why when you eat like like if you eat a salad That's why you don't trip balls got it Okay, because otherwise like most plant some crazy number of plants have DMT in it So like how many plants have DMT in it? I think it's like a thousand or something you nutty like that when you think about the legalization of psilocybin, you know, so Texas and this is what I know about Texas because they're leading I think a lot of research specifically related to vets

Apparently the former governor Rick Scott is really into this Rick Perry Rick Perry Excuse me Harry it because of his relationship with Marcus Luttrell and some of the other guys in the community He has been leading the charge on this. Do you think that? From psilocybin being legal in the United States, do you think it would be an issue? Do you think it would be an issue at all? I don't know, because you're gonna get people trying it that wouldn't try it before. You're gonna get people that use it irresponsibly.

Just like you get people that drink irresponsibly. I think that's the situation that we find ourselves in if we're gonna give people personal freedom. They're gonna make bad decisions. You know, you can buy a Corvette, right? You can go to the Chevrolet dealership, buy a Corvette right off the lot that goes zero to 60 in four seconds,

and you're flying around corners. You could be a fucking maniac and kill people in a Corvette. Or you could just enjoy it on the highway and be responsible and say, wow, what a great car. This thing's awesome, I love it. And you don't cause any problems for anybody. Both things are possible. That's what's gonna happen if we make drugs legal.

You're gonna have people try those drugs that probably shouldn't be trying those drugs. You're gonna have people get addicted to those drugs that maybe wouldn't have gotten addicted if those drugs weren't available to them, especially if they weren't legal, if you could just buy it somewhere. But if you don't rip the fucking band-aid off of this like

infantilization of society and let people know that there are things out there that they're telling you you can't do and the people who are telling you you can't do them haven't even experienced them. And when it comes to things like psilocybin and psychedelics, like if you haven't do them haven't even experienced them and when it comes to things like psilocybin and Psychedelics like if you haven't experienced them, you really shouldn't be talking about them You have no idea what you're talking about. You just you have you can't possibly know You can't know and if you do if you have experienced them, then you're probably gonna agree with me You're probably going to agree that there's some like some serious benefits to it 50 yeah, I thought it was a lot more than that

At least 50 I had read something there was like in the hundreds So the point is like I know Falares grass is like really rich with DMT and there's a that's also the acacia tree that's what one when they connected is like a That's also the acacia tree. That's what one, when they connected, there's like a university in Jerusalem that connected this idea of Moses and the burning bush to a DMT tree. Oh, right.

Because the acacia tree is like rich in DMT and the idea of burning it, you see God and God gives you this message and tells you what to do and what the rules of behavior are. I think anybody telling you that these things should get you locked up has clearly never experienced them No, they never have like I I spent all of my life with a top-secret security clearance like most of my life like from my 20s to like my 40s, right and

my personal experience with them this is before you know before I went public but My personal experience with them, this is before we went public, but my personal experience with them was my problems were rep after rep, cycle after cycle of combat after relatively high stress scenario after scenario after scenario. I was having a really really hard time trying to directly connect with love. I actually could not connect with that experience. It was really difficult. And my wife and I were going, we were going through this this ongoing debate and dialogue

with it And she's like you need to try it and we tried it It fast forward probably 20 years of talk therapy it for me personally and It gave me this this like direct Connection with this this feeling that I hadn't felt for years. And this is the feeling, and this is my point with vets and especially from the combat vets, the guys have got rep after rep after rep with over pressure and explosions and a lot of violence, is that they lose context with this really important feeling that you have to have, which

is you have to have direct love for your family, for your spouse, for yourself. And if you've killed that by all of the things that you've done, you've built a scaffolding, this artificial scaffolding on top of this, it creates a callus. And you gotta be able to break through that. From a psychological perspective, an emotional perspective, it accelerates that back and you can kind of reset. You really can. I can't imagine, I was thinking about this from like,

my dad's like 80 years old, right? I'm like, man, he's got lung cancer now. I'm like, gosh, if he could coalesce around killing ego and past and try to understand himself from a different, more introspective way. This would take decades, maybe, of talk therapy or a session where you could really accelerate your growth as an individual. I think that's for GWOT vets, for vets in general, I mean, I think that's what they're missing, this key component is being able to retouch with their emotional strength and be able to balance these things out where you can evolve and

live your life. Yeah. Do you think, you've said it before, I don't know if you said it on a show, but do you think society would benefit from it? I think a lot of people would benefit from it. But I think a lot of people wouldn't. I don't think people with real psychological disorders should be doing it.

Right. I think people that are really fucked up and having a hard time with schizophrenics, people, I don't know. I think it's probably dangerous for you. I think it's probably a bit of a stress test for your psyche You know you hear about these stories like the guy from Pink Floyd that dropped acid and freaked out never came back There's those stories like we hear those stories of guys just go out there and kind of you lose them

I've kind of seen it with some people I've seen him with one one kid who was just like smoking a ton of weed and just lost his mind and became schizophrenic And you don't know like did he have a tendency towards schizophrenia already? Did he fall prey was it just his unique biochemistry and how he interacted with weed was it just in veteran wheat you I mean He was every day. He's smoking weed constantly. What is it? Like what what caused him to crack? You know, I don't know I don't know. I don't know. But I don't have that problem. And I think it's very beneficial and I don't like when people tell me that because someone has a problem with something that I shouldn't do it. I don't agree with that. I think you should be allowed to take chances as a person.

I think if you want to do BMX jumps and fucking do flips on your bike, you should be allowed to do it. You want to do jujitsu and have grown men try to kill you? Go ahead, go do it. Do whatever the fuck you want to do. I don't think anybody should be able to tell you what you can and can't do. But why does that change when you talk about substances that someone puts in their body? Well, because those people could do those and then they could commit crimes. But those are already crimes. Like you already go to jail for those crimes. So if you do something violent because you're on a drug, you're going to jail because you did something violent.

Like there's a crime, you committed that crime, you go to jail. So we already have laws that address all the problems. And you're assuming that more problems would occur. We don't know that. We don't know that more people won't chill the fuck out and wouldn't have a dramatic decrease in violence across the country. Imagine that. Imagine you have a few people that lose their fucking mind, but you have a dramatic increase

in consciousness through the entire country, where people develop like a mushroom culture and people start like microdosing all the time and people get way more comfortable with talking to each other, way more creative, way more like community oriented and love oriented. That's not a bad thing. That's a real possibility with something that exists right now. There's a happy pill, it's out there, and it's illegal. And God made it. God made it.

And it's probably the source of most religious experiences. There's probably some sort of a connection to a lot of those religious experiences and what was probably some sort of a psychedelic adventure that they went on. And who's to say that that's not even how you talk to God in the first place? We don't know because it's been held back from us.

It's been kept from us like we're a bunch of babies. It's something that human beings have used for thousands and thousands of years. The Greeks used psychedelics to start democracy. And yet here we are in the greatest democracy the world's ever known in 2024 with full access to the internet, all the data that's available, all the anecdotal stories, and it'll get you locked in a fucking cage That's nuts That's really crazy. It's completely insane. That doesn't make no sense. I've tried to look at it from all different ways I do agree with you if and when people say if you make cocaine legal people are gonna die

Unfortunately, I agree with you. But if you don't make cocaine legal people are also going to die I don't know which one is more. And I don't know if it was just real cocaine versus cocaine mixed with a bunch of other horrible shit, if like the real cocaine wouldn't kill as many people. I don't know how many people are dying just of cocaine and how many people are dying of fentanyl-laced cocaine. I bet it's way more fentanyl-laced cocaine. So if you have just pure cocaine and the same amount of users, you're going to get way less

deaths. So that's a net positive. Then you take taxes from that sale of that legal cocaine and you use it to sell rehabilitation centers where you give them Ibogaine. Give people the ability to break addictions. It's possible people do it. They go to Mexico, kick opioids. People do it all the time my friend

I did it that's how he got into it He started his own clinic because he went down there because he had a pill problem you get an injury you do in jiu-jitsu You're always fucking hurt right these guys get a disc problem their arms all fucked up. They take a little pill You feel better, but then you need three pills then then you need four, then now you're fucked, and now there's nothing to help you other than Ibogaine, and that's illegal. So you make that legal too. So with those two together, who knows? You might have way less deaths, and then you would have taxes that you could take from

that stuff and use for all sorts of things. It would be horrible for taxes from cocaine sales to fix the schools, but what if that's what did it? What if that's what did it? And what if the exact same amount of people buying cocaine are still buying cocaine? What if that is the fix? And what if responsible use of drugs, all kinds of drugs,

sure, don't drive a car when you're coked up, don't take heroin and fly your plane. No Responsible use just like responsible use of alcohol. Why is that so crazy for us? Why is that so alien because we've been turned into babies We've been turned into babies where you're allowed to take Pharmaceutical drugs that make you high as fuck whether it's high as fuck on Adderall or high as fuck on opioid. That's fine Whether it's high as fuck on Adderall or high as fuck on Opioid, that's fine. But you can't go out and get yourself some mushrooms. That's just crazy. And for these people that are the ones in charge that are making all the money from these decisions

to keep up with this insanity in the internet in 2024, in this tide of change, I feel the same way about them as you feel about those poor cartel members. Like you probably should be doing something else. What is this? What weed and fentanyl? Short answer is they're false. There's no solid evidence that marijuana is being laced with fentanyl. Here's some of the reasons why. His, um, didn't someone get caught with it though? It said this at the bottom It says that there's been a few publicly stated like media stories that have said it's that's what the case was I think we were talking about one then they said there was we that was laced with fentanyl

Let's only got arrested for lab tests claims that they were errors and then the corrections don't make the headlines Hmm. How do you get an error? How much fentanyl is out there? There's an error. Oh, we just contamination I think it was in the weed that had fentanyl fentanyl's all over the place It's been a field test. They could have just been like does this have fentanyl on it? They rub the weed and the weed comes back like yep Someone touched fentanyl and they touch the weed and now you've got fentanyl ace weed It could be that made that actually does make sense right because if you think it's some cracked out dude working I'm right over there. Yeah, he's probably gonna be doing fentanyl. Yeah, he's gonna be doing fentanyl. He's gonna be

He's gonna be all on everything basically so positive on everything he guys in a tent He's on a tent in the fucking woods with a little Virgin Mary statue For real I know Candles row having shootouts with the fucking, the cops. It's so crazy that that's going on. And that there's hundreds of them and that the Chinese are running them. Like this is the most insane part

where it's like everybody knows what's going on. It's like all these chemicals are coming from China. They're being offloaded in Mexico and South America. They're being like produced and then cross. and then they're pushed across the border. Everybody knows. Do you ever talk to Mike Baker about any of this stuff? No, I've never actually talked to Mike Baker. Do you know him?

You never met him? No, I've never met him. Oh my God, I've got to bring you two guys together. I love that dude. But one of the things that he was telling me was about the Chinese cell phone towers, like cheaper. They're're like you just buy ours And they put them all around military bases we promise we're not gonna listen to you Hey guys the Chinese said they're not gonna listen to us. I mean that's good enough for me

They're around this nuclear weapons facility of course they're all over the place And then they buy land like dr. Phil was that. They buy land right next to military bases. Like how fucking silly are we? This is so, we're so silly. Like someone's moving our chess pieces around like, oh, this isn't happening. This isn't even happening. People don't think like that.

There's no way they'd be buying up all the weed. There's no way they'd be buying up all the farm land right next to the military. There's no way they would be exporting chemicals so they could manufacture fentanyl that come in and basically eviscerate 200,000 fucking people. There's no way they would do that. That's crazy to even think. Meanwhile, the only way you can get those chemicals from China.

The only way you can get them is from China. They send them to Mexico, they cook it up, they send it our way. But no, there's no way the Chinese are thinking that maliciously. There's no way. There's no way. Well, aren't they still mad at us for the opium wars? I think the Chinese are not necessarily mad at us.

They're just thinking about themselves from a hundred year vision, and they're saying, okay, where do we, where and how do we ascend to being able to take America's place as the international superpower? Right. So I don't know if they necessarily have an opinion-based axe to grind. It's more about how do we put the pieces together to take the pole position away from the United States.

I'm sure that's their primary goal, but I do remember reading something where they were talking about, was it British? There was people that introduced opium to the Chinese, like on purpose. It was like a campaign. The first opium war, 1800s. Okay. Britain, the war was triggered by China's efforts to enforce its the first opium war 1800s, okay? Britain the war was triggered by China's efforts to enforce its ban on opium the British Responded by sending a naval expedition to force China to pay reparations and allow the opium trade

Yeah So The British wanted to keep that fucking dope flowing in In that wild, they went to war to keep the dope flowing. This is what people have to recognize about Afghanistan too. Yeah. This is something that it sounds so conspiracy theory that no one even wants to touch it, but the troops had to guard the poppy fields. Afghanistan, heroin went way up when we went in there went way way up their production went way up

They were supplying at one point in time. What was the number Jamie? Some was that what it was 70% of the world's heroin was coming out of a place that we had occupied well, and the other the other issue is that You know the Taliban was using the opium and is to fund their growth in their militia. The DEA was out there. You had the DEA out in Afghanistan doing direct action ops. You had soft guys that were going out, walking through poppy fields and marijuana fields and all these other things.

Then you'd pass it off to the DEA. 90%. Oh, 95, yeah. In 2021, 90%. 90%. Holy shit, holy shit. You destabilize the entire country, you deter everyone from actually focusing on the opium,

you focus on terrorism and the Taliban, and then you allow it to flourish. And the dirty secret nobody wants to talk about from that perspective is that we as a country have dealt with a lot of shady opium dealers, like drug lords that were essentially exporting opium. And if they weren't part of the Taliban and or if they were anti Taliban,

you do business with them. It's the same story. Yeah. What's your triage of priorities? So, you know, how, hey, we need to get, you know, we need to fund our army in South America. So, hey, how do we do that? Let's like, let's import some coca.

You know, let's invent a market, because we gotta push back against the commies in Nicaragua, it's the same story. It's deter. Do you know, I've had Freeway Ricky Ross on, like three times. Oh, seriously? I had him on recently. God. I had him on recently, yeah.

And he was the guy. He was the guy who's making millions millions and millions and millions dollars he couldn't read he was making millions of dollars selling coke for the fucking government Myanmar overtakes Afghanistan in the world's top opium producer see violent political turmoil in Myanmar in the in the years since 2021 coup has contributed to a production increase Wow so they took over and checked that quick to what's that check this up? Meth is cheaper than beer there whoa

There's a lot of drugs going on there whoa 25 cents each that's all imagine for a quarter you could do meth the golden the golden triangle Imagine doing that quarter quarter what kind of judgment do you have you pop that? 25 cent meth and fucking chug it down with a Budweiser What are you doing man? What kind of life are you living this guy say he took 10 pills his first time? Oh, how did it work out took 10 pills, and I was totally lost and recognize my family my children son Couldn't sleep at all. I didn't drink. I didn't eat I felt powerful

children son couldn't sleep at all I didn't drink I didn't eat I felt powerful the last one so perfect powerful yeah look I don't think that should be legal but well here I don't think you should do it but I think it should be legal I think if it's not legal the cartel it. You just have to figure out what to do with the money that you're gonna make from it, because that's devil money. Like you're selling meth money. Like that's devil money. You're ruining people's lives.

So there's gonna be a bunch of like slippery people that are kinda hanging on, but doing their best, and you're gonna meth them down the road to oblivion. That's true. That's true. That's true, but that's not gonna happen to me. No, I'm not gonna get methed out. I'm going to try it. I haven't even tried Adderall. I'm scared of it. So some people are going to figure it out just like most things in

life. Just like drinking, just like driving, just like doing jujitsu, just like riding a BMX bike. Some people are going to get hurt. So we have to decide what's more valuable to you, nerfing the whole fucking world or people figuring out what's best for everybody and the only way to do that is to give people freedom. That's it. It's the only way that works. We figure out what works, what doesn't work by successes and failures and we all adjust along the way. But you got to give people freedom. Freedom and information. Those are two very important things. When you're suppressing either one of them, you can't be the good guy.

No, no, no, you're not the good guy. You're not the good guy. Freedom has to be sacred across the board, which freedom comes with accountability, which means responsibility. And that's the problem is that when freedom, I think when you can distill it down and you can create control, then you can create profit.

So power, control, and profit, those things like, they directly have this confluence where people in power obviously manipulate that and they'll restrict our freedom. Yes, especially if they can make more money. 100%. Have more control, have more power. And if COVID taught us anything,

it taught us that we can't forfeit freedom to low IQ power hungry bureaucrats that want to affect our life because they're stupid. So why would we ever give away our freedom to a bunch of stupid bureaucrats? Exactly. That to me is the fundamental difference give away our freedom to a bunch of stupid bureaucrats. That to me is the fundamental difference between the entire election process.

It's like, how do I maintain or increase my individual accountability, which comes with freedom, right? And how, if we wanna capitulate that, that's the other side. I think that's a referendum on freedom. Like, I don't wanna oversimplify it, but that's kind of where I think it is. It's where it is.

You're not oversimplifying it. If you don't have that, you don't have any of these things. No. You don't have any growth. You don't. You're going to have people that are in power that stifle discourse. They're going to stifle debate. They're going to stifle it because they only want their side to be heard.

It's that lady at the table telling me that Sam Harris and Douglas Murray was hate speech. It's those people. You have those people dictating what you can and can't talk about based on their own morals. And you don't even know how they think about things. You don't even know them. They don't do podcasts.

They're not hanging out with you at the bar. You're not going to dinner with them. You don't fucking know them. So you don't know if they're making good judgment calls. You don't know if their assessment of something is something you agree with, or if it's even rational. You don't know, these weird strikes you get on your account, you get like this fear-based letter that comes to you, if you do this again you're fucked.

You're like, oh no, now what do I do? I better self-censor and go along with the machine and stop misgendering people and stop doing this and stop doing that and stop saying this and And then you're fucked. And then you're fucked. And then you might as well be living in any other country that's controlled by a dictator. It's just a dictator by a different name. Right. That's all it is. It's fascism, but it's not right-wing fascism. It's left-wing fascism. It's adherence to the state. They want you to go along with the mandate. The way they talk about things is the way you have to talk about things. And to think, if anything, this election was a giant fuck you to all that, where everyone was like, fuck, you guys are fucking crazy. We see where this is going. You're going right off a cliff and you're running. And if anything, they showed you about that the the the Harris budget

Which is spent a billion dollars 580 million of it or something like that was for staff yeah 580 million and There's all this money that went to all these outreach groups and all these different and celebrities, and what the fuck is this? And then there are $20 million in debt at the end of it, and you wanna manage the economy? This sounds crazy. This is, what did you do?

Like, what happened here? Who went crazy with the checkbook? Who went hog wild? Who went hog wild? Nobody in the administration has ever been business right? I mean I like Nobody find out what the numbers were to staff because I want to be accurate about that, but I think I am I think it was 580 million and I was watching this on Fox News and they don't lie. No, they don't They never lie

Then they get they had a giant lawsuit right the Dominion. Yeah, that was a big one. They got hit I Had a piss all right. Let's let's take a little break here ladies and gentlemen Yeah, they said it on Fox News Jamie, so it has to be true. It has to be true That's way, oh fuck no better than Fox News Patrick bed David. I know I know I Telling you I see the tweets that say that but if Fox News's website says the campaign spent 56 million dollars on payroll and payroll taxes, so what's that other money? But didn't but wasn't there all the money that they had spent on Activism yes, yes, yes, and that's didn't they count that in staff, but this is no

I don't I don't know I this all comes from like Twitter. I don't know where it comes from Twitter Jamie. It's real I'm just tell stop being a fucking party pooper. They're people asking for their scroll up and let me see what this says It's listen, but no, I'm sorry. I'll scroll down a little. I just want to see what it all it says So it says Kamala raised one point.003 billion. She spent $1.37 billion. She spent $582.53 million on staff. That doesn't add up, because I saw

she spent $680 million on ads. So those two numbers, there's no money left over for everything else. Right. So one of the two isn't correct. How much much is she spent on ads 680 million or something? Oh my god, that's like that she's on my podcast for free do that. That is like the the The secret it's not even a secret when it's campaign time And you have all these ads these ad guys that are out there

They're buying up all the ads and it's a wash in money. It's hundreds of millions of dollars and they're just pipelining campaign donations into ads and It's like loading up their money guns and just shooting it into space their money guns and just shooting it into space. That's what they're doing. That is what it's like, right? And they've been telling people that this is effective. Yeah.

And so they have this business going. It's just complete absurdity. Don't get me wrong. I actually, politics is so fun for me because I think it's really interesting and it's like, I can't get into football or anything else because I like the data associated with things and if I got into football,

I'd be like one of those fantasy football dorks and I can't get into it. And so politics is one of those things where I'm like, I follow it, I love it, it's interesting. Just trying to understand the strategy behind it. I've changed my opinion of it a little bit since the election.

I don't think the control, the grip of the control of the country is as strong as I thought it was. I thought this concept, so everyone has a concept of they, they don't want you to know things, they're controlling things. I have a feeling that in times of crisis, like what we find ourselves currently in, it's like when the lights come on and roaches scatter.

That's what I have a feeling. I have a feeling there's no way that they can trust each other and that they all know that a certain percentage of people are going down for corruption. There's a certain percentage of people are going down for corruption. There's a certain percentage of people that did some dirty shit. There's some connections with organizations and corporations and some emails. Save your emails. It's one of the things that Robert K said. Preserve your records and pack your bags.

Dude, so epic. Yeah, that's epic. Preserve your records because we know you're all a bunch of liars. Yes. We've caught you already on emails lying about stuff. So this is, you've all perjured yourselves. Like Fauci perjured himself. Yes. There's no difference.

Just the definition of gain of function. Like shut the fuck up. You don't change the definition and make it ultra super nuanced so that it fits in your little excuse box of why you didn't fund gain-of-function research the fuck you didn't that's what you did That's what it is and when Rand Paul was confronting him with it that was like one of the craziest moments You sir do not know what you are talking about. It's like an evil villain. Yeah Yeah, evil villain that just lied to everybody and got away with it.

And no repercussions. Well, I think that's the story over and over for these guys that are empowered. There's no repercussions. There's no accountability. I oftentimes think of Dick Cheney as a guy sitting back in a high back leather chair in a big black tile office that's completely shiny with a white cat on his lap, like just petting it.

That's the way I think about that fucking guy. Like fuck that guy. Like how these guys, to keep flashing back to this, made it forever fucking change me, right? Where I'm like, to keep flashing back to this bit it forever fucking changed me right where I'm like These guys fucked up so many people's lives like countless

Countless lives and the fact that they still think they have public trust with zero accountability man How wild was it when dick Cheney was endorsed in Obama or excuse me was endorsing Kamala of course he was everybody was like Yeah, look at that right wing people. Yeah Like you might as well have painted if you would have been a NASCAR driver He would had a Lockheed Martin fucking jersey on right then at that point or Satan. Yeah. Yeah Satan Right then that point or Satan. Yeah. Yeah Satan Patches on his uniform like that's your poll you really fucking she post it was like politicians

NASCAR drivers Satan would be amazing. It's just all caps on the back, Satan. And the liberals would still find a way. It's like Satanism in the classical sense. It was just like a rejection of the norm. I mean, think about it. He's a fallen angel. You know, I mean, think about how bad that is. You know, we have to think about it.

Yeah, Dick Cheney's basically a fallen angel. Have you seen those Babylon Bees skits where it's like Satan talking to the the Democrats about like dude you guys fuck Yes, you guys jump the shark on this. What are you doing? It's it's so good Did you see the Babylon B's one recently where they're talking about criticizing? Trump's new appointments in comparison to Biden's appointments. Have you seen it? No, it's just images. I can I can find in comparison to Biden's appointments. Have you seen it? No, it's just images. I can I can see you find it.

Because it's a dude. It's a bald dude with the dress. It's the other dude who's the first female admiral. The first female admiral. Imagine if you're a woman and you're trying to become an admiral. This motherfucker just jumps the line. It's like, OK, yeah, cool. They've seen it. Find that whole thing with like the it's like the Avengers united is yeah

Declares Trump cabinet picks unqualified Oh Like if you just look at that thing and then you look at like it when I say things right It's just like you look at this thing and then you can do a direct comparison Like okay, you know who scares the fuck out of me who that new borders are oh, dude. He's a bad motherfucker He scares me Imagine myself with a backpack sneaking across the Rio Grande that fucking guys there no yeah Saves like ah about families is there any way to not separate families yes

He deported them together more to ball eight you know what it reminded me of you remember that It's just like he said I was like whoa This is getting dark yeah See I'm like a bleeding heart like I want people from another country that are poor to make their way here and make a better Life I want that just wanted to be scanned. I want to know who the fuck is coming over. I want to make sure they're not cartel members. I want to make sure they're not terrorists. But I'm all for people that want a better life because I would do it. I'd be a complete total hypocrite if I said I lived in Guatemala in some village and there's no power and I found out that I could walk to America and if I did it, it'd

take three days and then I can get a job in the fields and then I make way more money and I can send money home and everybody could have clean water. I'd fucking do it. You would do it We'd all do it. So I get we'd all do it. That's so part of me is like man I don't want to send anybody back but the other part of me is like What about terrorists? What about checking for cartel members? What about the fentanyl that's coming through? Like you can't have an open border I I believe in it like I believe in a meritocracy Right. It's like may the best idea prevail me the hardest workers prevail

The problem is is when we export all of our manufacturing to China when we have an like South American. We have a border crisis Mm-hmm. Yeah, obviously I'm a coffee guy So I think about coffee all the time and I think about Nicaricaragua, El Salvador, and like all of the South American, Central American countries that grow coffee. And I talked to farmers. And all we have to pay them is five or 10 cents more a pound, depending on the coffee. And most of the time, when I'm talking about coffees, I'm like, yeah, no problem, 10 cents more. Who cares? What that allows them to do is build

schools, pay a livable wage, all the things that they need to do to be successful in Guatemala, Nicaragua, wherever they're going, wherever we're talking about. So I think about this. OK, so we're exporting these manufacturing jobs to China. And if we're just concentrating on economic policies in this hemisphere, where from a

national security perspective, if we're exporting jobs to South America, we're creating economic opportunity and mobility in South America and Central America. We're creating jobs, economic stability, generational wealth, and we're also solving one of the issues that we're having, which is a border crisis. It just doesn't seem to make a lot of sense to me to say, hey, we want to export, and I know this started with the Nixon administration, and you know you have essentially slave labor which I'm 110 against which I don't think in any way shape or form we should support economically. So if we're

to export and look at this from a manufacturing and industry perspective from this hemisphere, how do we align ourselves around strategic stability? How do we protect against our border crisis? How do we still import? Because I mean, I know Americans love their cheap goods. Like they love their shit. You know what I mean? They still wanna have this decreased labor cost. I think investing in South and Central America

is just not a bad thing. If we're not gonna invest in America because of the cost, then we have to invest in this hemisphere. Well, it makes sense that if you wanna make the world a better place and you want less people trying to sneak into our country, one of the best ways is to make their country better. Right.

But we gotta do it ethically. The crazy thing, and we've beaten this horse a thousand times, is that everybody has a phone and everybody's phone is made by slaves. If it's not made by slaves, the cobalt that's in it, there's a real high chance that it came from someone with a fucking stick poking it into the ground and digging it out for you. And that's everybody. We have to take a hard look at all this stuff.

We should be making our phones in America. We should be making our phones in America. We should be making our phones in America with American minerals. They're a source for people to get paid a fair labor wage. They get health benefits. There's OSHA. People check on things. Make sure that regulations are in place.

Make sure that people get, make sure that they're making enough money to make a living, to live a livable wage. You have to do that in America if you want to do it legally. The only reason to do it somewhere else is so that you can do something legal because it's legal there, but it's not legal where you live.

It shouldn't be legal to have people working in another country for you for fucking 15 cents an hour. It's just, it's too crazy. It's too crazy that you just, you cross this dirt path and now you're allowed to be a piece of shit. Like it seems crazy. But if you're doing it the right way and you're paying people well and you're allowing people

to like thrive in a place where there was nothing before. Yeah, you can you can give people a pathway to do a lot of different things. Economic success opens up a lot of fucking doors, especially with education, especially with safety, with schools, with better communities, people have money that there's not so much tension. That's good. It's good to have a thriving industry. It's good to have a thriving economy. It's good for everybody. It's just not good for everybody. Everybody. There's always going to be people

that suffer in every kind of economy and every every kind of situation in the world. There's going to be people that suffer. And like we were talking about on the way here Like some of it's just luck There's a lot of luck. You know a lot of luck luck is luck's a real thing, you know good and bad and it's there's you know That's one of the most important things about having some success in this life You know is having the humility to understand that you just got lucky as fuck. You're lucky as fuck if you're alive Especially you right? You're lucky as fuck

You know how lucky I am is like tenfold order. I got all my fingers and toes. It's it's It's great family incredible business. I think good friend of mine. God man Like it's so incredible when you think about like the birthplace lottery of hitting the jackpot. Like holy shit. I think in this time too. Yeah. I think we're so lucky in this time. I think I'm particularly lucky because I grew up before the internet was at all. Like how old are you? 47. So I'm 10 years older than you. So when I was like 30, no, I think I was 27 when the internet became like a normal thing to have in your house and you had a dial-up. And you turn on America got mail or you got mail. You've got mail on AOL. So from that point on, the

fucking world changed so wildly and so quickly that we weren't even really noticing it while it was changing. And now here we are. Here we are in 2024 where it seems like the most chaotic, the most weird. Trump just won again. Somehow or another I helped him. Like all this fucking crazy. Like this is the wildest timeline ever. This is the most we're talking about. This is the most optimistic I've been in our country. This is the most optimistic I've been in my adult life. Yeah, the moment that he won like that in a landslide, I was like, maybe they don't have such a grasp.

And maybe this will open up the door to making things more rational and balanced, and we could stop a lot of this fucking awful corruption that's just intertwined, like the mycelium that's under the soil. The corruption is just intertwined, and a lot of it's legal corruption. Dude, it's insane.

When you think about, obviously, I'm super interested in the military industrial complex, but when you think about, you know, we had, we'll say 50, 60 military industrial contractors at the start of 9-11 and then now we're down to five. And we think of $860 billion of annual data associated with the defense budget, which has gone up since our height in the world on terror or the war on terror. And we have five big companies

that are basically taking 50% of that 860 and then 50% of that is profit. And how is it happening when you think of this triangular effect between the military industrial complex and, okay, you have the revolving door between the Pentagon. So every star that comes out of the Pentagon goes back into the military industrial complex with X amount of years of disassociation and blah, blah, blah. It's okay. Then you go back in the military industrial complex. So you go into like Lockheed, Raytheon, one of the top five.

Then you have congressmen and senators that are making decisions specifically related to the budget in the military, the defense budget. budget, they're lobbying to increase defense spending, but then they also have factories that are related to like the F-35 or some big military contract where they're making 40, 30, 40, 50 percent in profit. So they're the guys that are lobbying to increase the defense budget, their campaigns are being paid for by the military industrial complex. They're directly increasing the military budget. It's a self-licking ice cream cone. It's insane. It's completely insane. And the fact that we don't have any strict firewalls and separation from ethics, and I'm not against people creating jobs in their state.

That's not what I'm saying. I'm saying the fact that there are not strict firewalls between the fact that you're going to directly profit and or your campaigns are paid for by the people that you will lobby to go in and increase the taxpayers liability I was thinking about this other day I was like if if the taxpayer had an itemized look at where their taxes go well they just came out annually or once a month or whatever it is and they looked at what they were paying for

I'm pretty sure they might have a more vested interest into how much they're paying What they're paying for and saying, you know, maybe we shouldn't be asleep at the wheel Maybe we should probably pay a little bit more pay more attention to this Isn't that amazing that you don't get an itemized list? But you're required to give an extraordinary percentage of your money to the government. Like what is the tax bracket of someone who makes a million dollars a year?

What is that? 40%. 40%? Yeah, 43% probably. Okay, let's imagine you're paying 40% in income taxes. Then if you live in California, you pay another 14.4 I think it is, something like that. And then I think it's another one percent if you live in the city of Los Angeles Yeah, so now

Get down to thirty what thirty four percent. What do you get there somewhere in the high 30s? So then you have sales tax on everything you buy you have property tax You have insurance you have whatever your house costs, you don't have a lot of money left over. And the government doesn't even have to tell you what they're spending it on. Like you probably get less than they do. If you really think about it, if they get 40% in it, let's just say you don't have tax shelters and all that good stuff but if you get if you pay 40% in income taxes and Then after all the shit like after all property tax and state tax and this tax and sales tax Like what do you have? How much you get? What did you get? Well, how much did you how much money did you actually get?

Like I said government got more than you got bitch 70% of your time Work is working for the Fed Yeah, that is so bananas that you don't even get an itemized list of what they spend it on I have to file On my audited financials right I think about this all the time I Have to it's a requirement, and I have to pass them right the Pentagon hasn't Hasn't passed an audit in decades. They have like 60 percent, we'll just say 50 percent of the Pentagon's expenses. They're like, I don't know.

I don't know where it went. Sorry. Shit out of luck, taxpayer. So how is it, it's this rules, rules for thee, not for me. Don't they? That's the rule. Always miss their audits? Yes, they.

How bad, how many times did they miss their audits. Yes, they how bad how many times they miss our The pen the Pentagon how many times I? Think it's like it's crazy numbers to like whoopsies oops. I just forgot about that 300-billion dollars like one says they've never passed an yeah there we go there we go there we go so it's It's rules for thee not for me. They've never passed an audit Yeah, come on never never never Pentagon's accounting records are so convoluted that billions of dollars cannot be accounted for charges a new government report. Oh my god. Oh

My god, that is so crazy never yeah And you'll go to jail if you don't pay these you'll go to jail if you're not paying your taxes Audit and funny it's so funny despite having trillions of dollars in assets and receiving hundreds of billions of federal dollars annually, the department has never detailed its assets and liabilities in a given year. For the past three financial years, the Defense Department's audit has resulted in a disclaimer of opinion, meaning the auditor didn't get enough accounting records to form an assessment. Like, sorry, we don't have any paperwork. Where'd the money go? I forgot, gotta go.

I'm just a military guy. We are just trying to keep America safe. Yeah, that's what it is, man. What if all of it's going to UFOs? What if all of it's going to UFOs? What if all of it's going to some propulsion research thing that they're doing to get UFOs and just not telling us

What are they spending it on? How much of it is getting greased into the side pockets of people but even then from a transparency perspective? Does it not shake out for us because if we're saying yeah, hey, we're gonna spend I don't know Let's just call it a hundred billion dollars on like black-fund experimental technology to Maintain our strategic hedge of money. Yeah Do you think that we would all be like no, I mean it's better than not passing a fucking audit where you're like I don't know where it goes man

I'd rather you tell me that you can't tell me then tell me you don't know. Right. Tell me you can't tell me. Tell me you can't tell me. Despite costing more than 1.7 trillion in its estimated life cycle attempts to audit the program have run into major hurdles of the f-35. So this is just the f-35. F-35. It could hide some propulsion money. It could. 1.7 trillion. I'm sure. Look if area 51 exists and now we know it does for sure. It could. 1.7 trillion. I'm sure. Look, if Area 51 exists, and now we know it does for sure, it was a real base. They said it wasn't a base forever, and then during the Obama administration, they had to expand the boundaries because surveillance equipment and binoculars and telescopes were getting better and more sophisticated, and they were

filming things that were flying around they shouldn't have been filming. So they expanded the boundaries. They had to say that Area 51 existed. So what was that? Where'd you get the money? What'd you do? What are you doing down there? Why do people say you have UFOs? What the fuck are you doing? Why do you have a base in the middle of fucking nowhere? That's built into the side of a mountain like why you guys acting like this is an Avengers movie. What are you doing out here? Once again? It goes back to just transparency. Yeah, or you can't tell me because you think I'm a fucking baby like the same reason Why you there can't have mushrooms the same reason why we can't have full disclosure of the JFK assassination, right?

There's 4,000 documents. We've any have we talked about the JFK assassination on this I think we have we like gone down the rabbit hole of you. I went the rabbit hole of multiple people including Oliver Stone. Have you heard my theory? No, maybe not. I don't know What's your theory? So my theory is like It all goes back to the Bay of Pigs It's all Bay of Pigs. It's all Cuba. It's all Bay of Pigs and so I'm looking at it from a paramilitary CIA perspective and thinking about it from paramilitary CIA perspective and thinking about it from Alan Dulles, which obviously like he's in charge of the Warren Commission after Kennedy fired him so I'm giving everybody a kind of a

Summary dulls explanation. Yeah Dulles Airport, which is the Dulles brothers the single most two powerful fucking people in Washington even during the Truman administration, but either way so What happened I think was so operations a potta which is also George Hw bushes first oil company that he supposedly left fucking Connecticut and went out after his Yale You know his Yale tenure after World War two was like I'm gonna be an oil guy and start fucking a Zapata oil Yeah, of course, right even though his bad dad's best friend with Alan Dulles. Oil. Yeah, of course, right? Even though it's bad, dad's best friend with Alan Dulles. Sure, anyway.

So. So, Operation Zapata, which it turns into the Bay of Pigs. And Kennedy gets read in on this. He says, yes, let's go. And then when it comes down to the day like I mean you've built 1400 let's say you know 12 1300 man-force that's that's a CIA former Cuban exile army

You've built it in Alan Dulles has been the main architecture. He's been the main architect behind this You've got all these guys. So let's even go back. These are all OSS World War two World War two guys that Let's let's create a clear delineation between what they're doing and What they what they think the president is doing the president's's like, yeah, yeah, he's elected, fuck that guy, we're the agency. That's the way Alan Dulles actually ran things. Half the time he wouldn't even brief the president on what he was doing.

So he puts together this thing, clears it through Eisenhower. Eisenhower says, yes, let's go take those fucking Cuban commies out. They put together a 1 1100 man force. They've been training on this. They've got secret bases in Guatemala. They've got all these paramilitary CIA guys.

They're ready to take the beach. They're expecting air support because without air support, that changes the entire tactical equation. Like if you don't have air support there's a lot of things you just don't fucking do. Period. So the morning of Kennedy denies air support for the Bay of Pigs. So the morning of. So these dudes are taking the beach. These are hardcore, like CIA trained paramilitary guys, Cuban exiles and World War II hardcore regime change combat veteran. These are the hardest motherfuckers on the planet that we have. He pulls air support.

He left 1,100 guys on the beach to die, basically. These guys all get rolled up, so they lost about 60 guys. 2406 is the name of the brigade. Sixty guys died. A thousand plus got put in Cuban prisons. Now you got an axe grind you just pissed off the entire CIA paramilitary organization I Don't know if I'm the president. I don't know how I don't end up with a moonroof to be honest with you like I just

pissed off the guys that are actually in charge of like assassination charge of like assassination, paramilitary, all of the dirty deeds around the planet. I fire Alan Dulles for this catastrophe of the Bay of Pigs. I've got a thousand plus guys that are in prison in Cuba. I've got the entire former OSS hardcore anti-communist, anti-Castro organization that CIA pissed off, if you don't think they're not gonna tee a guy up like some pro, you know, commie Oswald guy in a, you know, in a, in a multi-story building in Dallas,

if you don't think you're gonna end up with a hole in your head, you're crazy, to be honest with you. That's the way I'm looking at this. So they end up getting these guys out, but man, he pissed off a lot. Our super capable guy means opportunity intent. Means opportunity intent, which is now,

you left me and my buddies on a beach in Cuba. Bro, you are not gonna get out of here unscathed. I'm just, that's my theory. I think that, along with all the other stuff, means there was probably a bunch of people that did not want him around. He wanted to get rid of the CIA. He had his eyes on the Federal Reserve. There was a lot of crazy talk about secret societies. And, you know, you've seen

that speech about secret society. Yeah. Yeah. And there was he's a real threat. And as soon as you can get those killers to want them out, too. Well, now you got a problem solved. Well, you had a bunch of guys that thought he was soft on Russia, they had a bunch of dirt on him because he was banging a bunch of chicks, all of which, okay, maybe it's true, maybe it's false, I don't fucking know, but I think it's fairly validated at this point. I think it's pretty true.

And you have a collection of people that are thinking this is a zero sum game. This is a cold war. If you're weak on Russia and you think that the guy's gonna bend his, you know, he's gonna bend a knee to the bear, you've got a lot of, you've got this confluence of interests where it's inevitable. And he was also not universally loved. We think of him as being universally loved because he's dead.

Yeah. But when he was alive, like there's a lot of people that were not fans of his in the red states, probably particularly Dallas. Dallas. He's particularly in Dallas. Dallas. He's driving through Dallas. He had LBJ that's from... What's amazing about it really is how sloppy the whole... Sloppy as shit.

The whole thing, from autopsy to the fucking magic bullet laying on the gurney to having to come up with the magic bullet theory because the ricochet in the underpass like the whole thing is so clunky It's like such a shitty explanation. You couldn't kill one extra guy and say there was another guy over here We killed him too. Yeah, you guys are this is such a shit job You guys do you don't have one other idiot? One other idiot give a bad rifle and just fucking shoot him, but they don't have any they don't have The context of what we have which is social media, right? a bad rifle and just fucking shoot him. But they don't have any, they don't have the context

of what we have, which is social media. Right, of course. You know, I mean, when did the Zapruder film? It was like 12 years later. Yeah. And it was on the Geraldo Rivera show. Which is completely insane. Dick Gregory, who is a standup comedian,

brought it on the Geraldo Rivera show. Are you serious? I didn't know that. 100%. Dick Gregory, who is a standard He's a lot more than that. He's an activist but but like a real one, you know Not a not in any way some sort of a social value grifter Which I think a lot of people like gravitate towards activism because it gives them a chance to be really shitty because they're right He was a brilliant guy

But it was also a guy who like was a truth seeeker back when it was really hard to get to the truth Yeah This guy had to acquire a copy of the Zapruder film when in time life got a hold of it Apparently like right after the assassination and they just kept it. They just kept it. They just kept it and When you watch it you realize why they kept it because you see his head go back into the left And it looks like he does get shot in the neck from the front he holds his fucking neck like this he doesn't hold the back of his own he holds his neck like this like that's impact that's where it hit him and then his fucking head goes back into

the left and we're supposed to think that this fucking guy did all this from the school depository maybe he did take a shot or two from the schoolbook depository I I don't think he was innocent I'm not of the camp like it's a binary thing. I guess either Lee Harvey, Lee Harvey Oswald was a Patsy and the CIA killed him or Lee Harvey Oswald acted alone. That's a stupid way to think. I think for sure they used him. They probably gave him a rifle.

He might have been in that window. He might have just been in the building. He might have been in the area. Who knows? I think he probably did shoot that cop. Like when they were chasing after him, it seems like he did kill that knows? I think he probably did shoot that cop like when they were chasing after him It seems like he did kill that cop I think he was an asset

But I also think there was a bunch of people shooting at the president and if you look at that area you've been to dealing You've been there. Yeah, yeah, it's a weird. It's a weird Yeah, oh shit. This is where it's a lot smaller than I thought it was tiny It's really little yeah like when people say he couldn't have made those shots, like shut the fuck up. He's right there. He's right there. He's like right up, like literally you look up in the buildings right there. And he had a scope.

At least he had a scope. That's what's crazy about the kid that tried to kill the president, tried to kill Trump. He didn't even, he had iron sights. Which is insane. But it's not if you just go in center mass, but this dude's doing it for a headshot, 140 yards, and he's probably never shot anybody before he's a 20 year old kid that they just somehow or another operation MK ultra mind fucked him into shooting at him or he's on some crazy medication or

or China or the chip in his head but you know and then some mobster some like Happenstance mobsters so passionate about Kennedy. He's like I'm gonna kill People are letting him in with the pistol Dude it's it then you know what happens to him right? Yeah, he dies of cancer like hardcore that before that no, huh? Jolly West visits him in jail and he goes crazy Jolly West who was the head of MKUltra Oh, yeah, Jolly West was the guy who got Charles Manson the acid allegedly from the book chaos He goes into it Jolly West went to visit Lee Harvey Oswald and excuse me Jack Ruby and Jack Ruby's on the ground underneath his bunk crying in the fetal position that they're they're murdering the Jews with fire

And he's tripping balls This guy dosed him up with acid Blew his fucking brains out and then they probably injected him with cancer hundred percent. See you later fuckface. I think you have this Outside so what if we want to go all the way back and you want to just know my like yeah two cents on this Yeah, okay, so dullis knows that eventually the president is gonna be like they're gonna snuff him out. They're gonna fire him Dulles decides that he's gonna have this whole separate CIA

That's CIA guys, but they're all really very trusted in in internal external guys and I Think those guys are essentially his guys. Mm-hmm and They get hung up to dry in the Bay of Pigs They're not attributable to the CIA other than loose affiliated documents. Mm-hmm. I think Dolis gets fired and they're like, okay, let's go Let's like Alan Doles didn't want to be answering to the president because he didn't answer to the people

He was answering to a bigger call in his mind. He's answering to, this is an eminent threat. The big communist bear is going to come and eat our lunch. So he's answering to the greater good, which is a reason for like the backdrop of the Cold War is a reason for a lot of this nefarious activity. Like Angleton, like all these directors, everybody looks at these guys is like really nefarious characters But you have to paint everything in the backdrop of the the Cold War Like we're doing all this stuff to save America, right? And I'm not validating them

I just don't like they have we have to understand that perspective. Yes, cuz that was a big thing Even when I was in high school, this is the Cold War. They're going to fucking kill us They're gonna nuke us. They're gonna nuke us. Yeah, so we will do it's very Machiavellian the means justify the ends, right? anything and everything to save the nation at any point in time so you have guys that are baptized in extreme patriotism and their belief is that they are doing things for the best of the nation and That if they have an elected official They can't be trusted They can't be trusted in there these are guys that are in you know, I went out to Omaha in In for the 80th

These are And for the 80th, these are, it's so interesting for me to think back on this because these are guys that are World War Two vets that, like, they saw everybody die. You know, I mean, the Soviets lost tens of millions of guys in World War Two, they were defeating fascism, which is, you know, they were defeating the Nazi Party, you know, the Japanese army, and they've seen thousands of men die. And they're serious guys. They're not lighthearted. They're not full of love.

Like, these are guys that are baptized in ultraviolence to the point of which this is a zero-sum game and we have everything to lose and nothing to gain by being nice and nobody will get in our way to being able to maintain the sovereignty of the nation. Once again I'm not justifying it I can just get into the mind of them because if I'm jumping into Nazi occupied France in you know 1940 X because a lot of the OSS teams went in there and I'm watching my friends get fucking mowed down by Nazi machine guns and I'm killing Nazis and I'm moving my way to overthrow Hitler and now I feel like Stalin is the next thing that I have to defeat, but the American public just doesn't understand.

I'm 1945, man. I have been quite literally baptized in blood, and I'm not going to let it happen. Now you think about a high intellect, type A driven, ultra violent guy that may be semi coherent based on their copious consumption of alcohol. Probably, right? Yeah. Yeah. Okay.

Well, a lot of these programs start to make sense because these guys are like, they're fucking serious guys and they think that we're gonna die in a nuclear holocaust right and Everything the means justifies that it's a very Machavelian. I don't necessarily once again I'm not trying to say that like every evil deed is justified I'm just saying like I've seen the beaches in Normandy I understand greater than a lot of a lot of people with combat will and the direct psychological and emotional effects what it'll do to people and I can I can kind of see myself going like hey man if I'm a 26 year old guy that just went and fought the Nazis and I think that the the big bad bear is coming after me, right?

Yeah, you're pretty serious character Did that feeling of the big bad bear coming after us got lifted with the fall of the Berlin Wall, with the fall of the Soviet Union. All that stuff went away. The fear. When I was a kid, that fear was everywhere. You know, I've talked to so many people that are like my age or around my age that remember being a child

and being worried about a war with nuclear bombs with Russia. It was constant. It was in the air. When Khrushchev banged his shoe on the table and said, we will bury you. I watched that video on YouTube just like a month ago and it's still scary. The two fucking banging his shoe and when he said, we will bury you you was that a direct quote or was that propaganda? Let me that one feels fishy. I Bet that's one where it's like a little bit Well that I think that was slippery than we will bury you because you know what I mean? Like we're getting those are relations that was a direct response to when we agreed

We have this mutual agreement between the Soviets and Khrushchev wasn't like Khrushchev wasn't like Khrushchev wasn't actually A a Stalinist he was making very big reforms and in in the soviet union and so he felt betrayed by the u-2 spy missions that were taking place when we after You know after they shot down the u-2 spy plane in russia And because we lied He was like bang bang bang, and I'm fairly certain

That's what that whole thing was about because I think I'm a was a man of honor Yeah, these fucking guys are lying to me And I mean someone was a shitbag don't like I'm'm of course but Khrushchev was like making significant reforms Within the country. He was an aunt. He was he was broadly condemned by a lot of the old the the the Stalinists as Here it is. I think I don't seem banging a shoe in the video. He's banging his hand. Oh, he's banging his fist, yeah. I thought he banged his shoe. The video says, did he bang his shoe. Mr. President, we live on Earth not by the grace of God and not by your grace, but by the will and the mind of our great Soviet people and all the people who are not deaf. I know. Put that under a couple pints of vodka. Someone was saying this but it's so true. There's nothing scarier than Russian Muslims.

Like the fighters. Like the fucking badmuffin fighters. Russian Muslims are the fucking scariest fighters, dude. I think if there's like one group that I would categorize like what's the scariest? It might be Russian Muslims. This is from the CIA's website. that I would categorize like what's the scariest I might be Russian Muslim from the CIA's website we will bury you threat widely attributed to Khrushchev in Western press was reported to have been made at a send-off reception to Poland's gum you both Gamuka in Moscow November 1956 quarter to time magazine Khrushchev was overheard to say at the fine final reception to the for the Polish leader if

you don't like us don't accept our invitations And don't invite us to come to see you whether you like it or not history is on our side We will bury you so he said that to Poland But that was a wasn't that in a police song or a sting song the Russians love their children, too Wasn't that scorpions no no no no no I think it was a sting song really sting song called the Russians yeah yeah yeah it was saying khrushchev said he will bury you so they probably it was probably some fake news just like how they said about Trump saying the very

fine people on both sides it's it always been, it's been fascinating to me because I think about the Russians and how many tens of millions of people they lost in World War II. And I think about very empathetically how they got fucked. They really did. You know, I think, and I'm not saying we did anything bad,

I'm just saying like, what we did was we delayed the invasion of Normandy and we felt like, a lot of people think this, is that we were trying to soften up the Soviet Union because we felt that they were a follow-on threat in World War II, but we delayed the invasion intentionally, essentially to let a lot of Russians, millions of Russians essentially die on the Eastern Front. And when you really think about it, from those men, from my context in in you know combat from how I think about combat how I think about death like those guys had a significant axe of grind because they're like we need fucking help we need you to open up the Western front I'm not

validating Stalin because once again I think he's a complete piece of shit I know what you're saying but yeah yeah is a Russian right and no elation knowing that we delayed the opening up the Western Front to go and Take over essentially, you know Hitler Nazi Nazi Europe because at that point obviously it wasn't just one person Hitler Nazi Europe, because at that point, obviously, it wasn't just one person. Yeah, we have a significant amount of mistrust with you guys

because we lost 20 million people, plus the civilian population. I mean, some estimates, 30 million fucking people. And you guys opened up Normandy, came through, and then you're telling everybody that you won, you're the reason you won World War II and you're not even giving us any validated credit. They had invaded Japan before we dropped the bomb

and the Japanese were just as terrified of the Russians as they were the Americans. However, I can see from the Russian perspective going, man, we sacrificed millions of people to defeat the Nazis. And you guys are basically giving us no credit. So I think back and I'm like, man, 1945, where are these guys at? Cause they're all about my same age. We went to combat roughly the same same age. And there were a lot of people

that were debating all of these issues back then. 1945, 1946, they were talking about they are not only Stalin, but you know, Patton was talking about like, we need to just keep going. Right? Patton was talking about like going, to just keep going right patent was talking about like going we need to keep Going we need to defeat Soviet Russia and I was like actually no you're crazy Fuck dude, I Think that's what he said. You know I think that's who's like hey fuck dude like what are you talking about? You're crazy said when he addressed the nation yeah, right yeah, that was right after that So I keep thinking about myself and that like those guys I

Think about myself a lot of times to were you know 20 plus years after the fact like this is 1968 This is 1968 man from our war so From 1945 to 1968 give or take you think about all these GWAC guys that are being appointed. Mm-hmm. It's kind of a cool Revolution, but 68 was a very important year in American history I think 24 was a really important year in American history. Yeah 24 is a big one The one we're in right now is a big one

Yeah, I think when when people look back at history with these great moments of change, I mean think about how people look back at the Reagan administration, like when Reagan got elected, what a landslide. They look back at those days. We look back at these historical moments, but I think this one is crazier than any of them. This guy gets kicked out. They try to put him in jail multiple times. He gets shot out.

He says, fight, fight, fight. And then he wins. He wins in a landslide when they were all saying that it was a close race. And the whole thing is just wild to watch. It's like this is nuts. Like this show is nuts. If you're watching this show on TV, like these writers are fucking amazing. Whatever they're doing, like keep doing this this

shows crazy this twists and turns you got your crazy billionaire character who doesn't even seem real doesn't even seem real this guy's making rock it's an electric cars there's no way buys Twitter because he wants to save free speech what and insane and the people that used to love him now hate him the people that are driving their Tesla's around like god damn it They're angry, but they still have a lease you know You hate Elon you hate X and Don Lemon said I'm leaving X. Oh, there's no good discussions to be had here Yeah, it's fucking boohoo

You don't like criticism you don't like. If you want to get into this game, OK, you want to get into the online game, the online games different and the online game. You get judged by who you fucking actually are, dude. It's not about your producers and your teleprompter. And shut up.

You're on your own. People think you're stupid. You're going to hear it. And it might be because you're stupid. It might be. Look, people say a lot of people are stupid that are not stupid. I've seen people say, brilliant people, I've seen people say Elon Musk is stupid.

I have seen that. I've seen that. I've seen, you're gonna get it no matter what, you're gonna get it. Everyone's gonna get it. But if everybody's saying you're stupid, maybe. You might be stupid. You might be stupid, you might have been protected

from that stupid by these network shows. If you want to exist online and you don't like criticism on Twitter or you think there's disinformation on Twitter, Community Notes on Twitter is the greatest fucking thing that's ever been created. Because people get to look through the Community Notes and find out, oh, that is bullshit and here's why it's bullshit or oh, that actually is true. Even though it sounds crazy and people are protesting. It's actually true That's fun. That's good. Yeah, we learned something if you can't handle that Well, you can go wherever where do you go? No, where do you go? Where you go threads?

Yeah, it's not gonna work I don't think no if you ever had I don't know Yeah, I like Zuckerberg a lot. Yeah. Yeah, I like him a lot I think he's a weird guy, but you have to be a weird guy if you're super genius 100 billionaire who's into jujitsu. He's a weird guy, but he's cool. I like him. I've had fun with him Yeah, we played a fencing game together with virtual goggles. What? Yeah. Yeah, we both put on these fences So we both got on the line when he was like in Hawaii or San Francisco? No, we did it in the same room. Oh, okay.

It was fun. The new Oculus is fucking cool. And you've got to wonder where that's going to be because when I first tried the first, very first Oculus, it was kind of cool, but kind of crude in a way. And with each new version of it you get like it's much smaller now It used to be we had a cable and the cable was attached to the ceiling on a wire So they can move back and forth through this all these wires connected to you when you have the oculus

So you had to be plugged into the computer actually, but now you're not now It's just on your head and now it's fucking resolutions pretty goddamn good It's and it's weird like you do things like you go to a comedy club, you sit in the audience, and there's all these other people in there, there's a comedian on stage. It's fucking strange. There's all these little online games you can play with other people, 3D shooters and shit, and you get goggles on,

you feel like you're in the game. It's real weird. And most people are kind of freaked out by it. So I don't think it's like they went with that whole meta thing. They thought everybody was going to dive into the metaverse. But I think there's this uncanny valley between like you put the goggles on and you're in the world and you kind of feel it. You feel uneasy. Like this is weird. This feels weird. VR feels strange. Like a lot of people make

some dizzy. They want to take it off. Yeah, my wife is like that. Yeah, mine is too. But I think they're going to get to a point where it's not gonna feel weird. Like there's some commercial applications, like there's a company called Sandbox, and they have this fucking amazing game called Deadwood Mansion. And in Deadwood Mansion, you go into like, this warehouse space, they have one in Austin,

they have one in Woodland Hills, where we used to go, it was right down the street from the studio. You put goggles on, and all of a sudden you're in a mansion you got a shotgun and Zombies are running at you from everywhere and you're boom. You're blowing their heads seriously. Oh, yeah Fucking amazing dude. No one in my family wants to play it anymore. I Why is it too intense? I get very intense. Oh very intense. I'm killing Domby. They don't like it. It's gross It's like I'm like come on. Let's kill zombies like for Father's Day

I made them come kill zombies with me. I fucking love that was your Father's Day present. Yeah, you told your parent Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah kill zombies with everybody awesome It's fun. You got a shotgun and they're running out you're blasting their heads off and you get attacked from behind It's fucking awesome You have a haptic feedback vest you see red when they're attacking you you see blot splatters are red in front Of your face, and they're attacking you're shooting them in the everybody wants to do that dude Oh, everybody wants the day. I mean yeah, if we were like oh, we're in a zombie apocalypse. How many do you know they're like They're so slow

These ones are pretty fast the ones in, some of them run at you. They run at you. Oh. Yeah. It's like- It makes it more fun. Remember that movie 28 Days Later where the zombies were running? Of course.

Yeah, yeah. That's the scariest zombie movie. Yeah. Running zombies are, that's the real zombie. The Walking Dead zombies, get the fuck out of here, bitch. You ain't getting me. So disappointing. The first five seasons were great.

How are they not all dead? Whatever. But- How are not all the zombies dead? They all walk a half a mile an hour. They just keep going, it's just more and more zombies. How's that possible? Kill them all. It's so easy to kill them.

I can't get enough zombie movies. I love them. I love them. I love the post-apocalypse zombie. You know what I don't like? Daryl using field tips. So stupid. Why is he using field tips on his crossbow? That drives me crazy. That drives me crazy that drives me crazy

And he's like pulling them out Loading them back up, and you're like dude come on man like you're making me angry. You don't lose any fletchings You don't get any pass throughs no pass throughs. It's all just like sticking in their heads What the fuck you talking about? Are you talking about this is the dumbest weapon ever Yeah, Darrell that fucking field tips gotta go son. You don't have any broadheads You got to put like a solid like tri blade or something on there Like get a really good car. Yeah, that's it you want Yeah, like a Montec those Montec carbon steels. Yeah, send it. What was that one?

The hide was yeah the hide Yeah, man, that did a lot of damage. I'm very impressed with that one because that one I got the 125 grain one which has the steel ferrule. Mm-hmm And it it's got a two inch cut with the mechanical blade and a three quarter inch cut with the fixed So it doesn't make a big hole opening going to two or three quarters talk. Ladies and gentlemen. Yeah, two and three quarters It's a broad head for archery. It's a the when it goes in that's when the blades open So the rage which I used to use the t2 now the Dudley version that opens up on the way in so leaves a big hole All the way in right this one opens up inside

opens up on the way in, so it leaves a big hole all the way in. But this one opens up inside. So really, you're penetrating with the fixed head. And then once you're passing in, the pressure is what makes those other two blades go. So it really makes a pretty small entry hole. But the exit hole is a crime scene. The exit hole was a crime scene, because you're going out with 2 and 3 quarter inches.

And it's just instant death for the animal. It's like super ethical. I think when it comes to like the amount of damage they can do, those mechanical, they put animals down so quick, so quick. There's something to be said for that giant cut that they make inside. It's just so different.

Like cams, cams he throw, he's using a catapult. It's basically a catapult. It's basically a catapult. Yes. That four blade carnivore thing. That's insane. It became changed my life. I think he really did. He's like created a really big hole. Yeah. Because I don't care what you do, just create a giant hole and that's because you're going to put the arrow in the right spot. If you create a giant hole, then you're gonna have a great blood trail and you're gonna find your animal.

He rewrote my entire hunt sequence this year. Because you were before that, you were penetration. Yeah. Right. Which is another way of looking at it, right? If you're thinking about a cut, a cut that goes through the entire body is a very long cut and is always lethal if you get them in the vitals. But you don't get a blood trail and they don't die as quick. The dying is quick thing.

The one in Tahun last year, that bull died in like less than 10 seconds. How many seconds was it? Seven, if that, maybe five. It ran up to the top of the hill and just fell down. I've never seen anything die that fast and that's those big Mechanicals like it and I'm not saying that because Yeah, it's you know, you're Joe like you're just the dude on the side of the mountain that was shooting the Hulk That I was watching like it fucking died faster than

Anything I've seen even shot with a rifle in the chest cavity, right? So clearly differentiating between like a head shot and a chest cavity. I've never seen anything die that fast from an animal. It was dead instantly. I think there's something to be said for those giant holes because it's just, especially if you have a strong bow. So if you have a bow that has a lot of kinetic energy

and a lot of speed and you're shooting a heavy arrow and it's hitting that rib cage, like there's something for that big cut. It just stops them. Are you at 80? 84. 84. Yeah. The new bow is 84. Oh, the new Hoyt is so smooth. Oh, it's so smooth. I got it. So they just came out yesterday. Yeah.

I got to go find the new one. I felt so special. I had one for a couple months and I had to blur it out. I took pictures Like such a chump So I got the old one it's not a big deal man Well, I used to think that when I saw cam shoot his I'm like, how could it be better? These are so good. I'm gonna be better and then you shoot the new one. You're like god damn it. It's better better these are so good I'd be better and then you shoot the new one you're like god damn it it's better it's super accurate like so dead in the hand like the the way the shot breaks it's just like they keep making it smoother smoother draw cycle it's faster which so you're doing 84 yeah what are you garmin

what's your what's your feet per second on it oh it's 293 or 294. So what are you shooting? 450? 475. 475? Yeah I bumped it up because I went to those 125 grain heads but my bow went from 80 pounds to 84 with the new one and then it kind of made up the difference. So the 25 grains is basically the same kind of speed as with the last one which I had a 450 grain arrow. So this is like a I think there's probably like a number you shouldn't go below I don't know what that number is You know like grains like some people the hunt elk with like a 300 grain arrow and a lot of people don't do that Don't do that. You can get away with it cuz like well my daughter shot an elk and it was a pass through and she's got a

50 pound bow. Okay. She got lucky She got lucky you need some force to get in there. Like if you're shooting 500 on an 84 pound, 85 pound bow, so let's say you're doing, even if you're doing 270, that's still, boom, massive penetration. Massive kinetic energy, especially if you have carbon arrows. I love those carbon arrows with the victories with the slick outside because you pull them out of

target so much easier who's making those the Vaps the what do they call the TKO yeah I love those things. RIP TKO's that's it. RIP TKO's yeah those are great. They're they're coating that they have on it is like it's so easy to apply. I got like a Tesla on or something. Yeah but you got to think that's that aids in penetration to it has to right I mean isn't that what guys like the thin diameter like cam shoots those I don't know if he's doing it now but he was for a long time he was shooting those four millimeter arrows right those real skinny ones but the four mil I like lighted knocks in the four millimeter with the lighted knocks make me nervous like why because knocks break sometimes and they're more vulnerable because they get that little light inside of them instead of being a big solid piece

Of plastic right, you know Like I always change them before hunts. I always put fresh ones on I never trust ones that have been sitting around never trust ones That have shot already. I'll shoot them a bunch of times like for practice, but they break sometimes and especially I'm not paying attention So I might be accidentally touching arrows. I do the same thing like I have fresh arrows for hunting Yeah, but they're the exact same setup mm-hmm for practice So that's why I like like the sever or something like that because the severs You can pin them and then I can just shoot the shit out of those and then just not use the pin. Yeah, no that's huge.

That's why I like them because I can shoot the same exact weight and dimensions and I know the flight characteristics are going to be the exact same versus sometimes when you get those practice heads. Yeah, they're different. They actually have different flight characteristics because the way that they're put together is not exactly the same. And I believe in the fact that it's like, hey man, if you got a slight fin on the front and it's a different fin on the back, even though it's only an inch, you still have to

be 100% consistent to maintain the same flight characteristics. Yeah. That's why when guides get real nerdy about like what helix, like what kind of helical you have on the veins Yes, and like what kind of twist you put your veins and you have to have the you know A single bevel blade that twists for the broadhead in the exact same direction Don't get a right twist with left veins Then you'll get all fucked up, but their idea is that you're trying to get it the broad had to spin through the animal That's the whole idea behind the single bevel.

Does that, do you think that's true though? There's something to it. Yeah, there's something to single bevels because of the cut, the way the edge is cut. So for people listening, single bevel means the edge angles in on one side. Double bevel means it comes together as a point, right? So think of a blade, but a blade with only one side that you can, you know, you see like where the steel is is ground down to the edge. The other side doesn't have that. So the idea is that that creates this angle and that when you're spinning, your arrow is spinning because the helicals of your vein,

it goes into the animal's body cavity and the bevel in the broadhead Accentuates that spin and it continues that spin through the body causing like a whirlwind of Trauma inside the animal and that it you know, it almost affect access multiple blades because it's kind of spinning around It's not just cutting a straight line It's twisting But the question is like how much twist and is it more effective to have like a four blade thing like a Four like a tooth of the arrow like one that you get, you know, those are I don't think it's true You don't think it's been the the bevel spin. I don't think it does

I think it does a little because there's a guy named Lusk archery and he Does these tests on these things and he actually shoots him into ballistic gel and you can see them spin so some of them do spin. But the whole- I think it's too complex though, because once you have a rib cage, and let's just say- You go through the ribs and stop it.

Even the consistency of the rib cage. So we'll just say a perpendicular shop and a perpendicular shop from the rib cage at 40 yards. So we'll just keep all the variables basically the same even then There's no nicking of the rib there's no variation of the actual animal skin there's no

Slight courting way start courting towards there's no So ballistic jail, I think there leaves a lot of questions for me So even though it's twisting in the ballistic gel because it's consistent you're shooting it So ballistic jail, I think, there leaves a lot of questions for me. So even though it's twisting in the ballistic jail, because it's consistent, you're shooting it directly perpendicular into a very consistent format, and you're getting a consistent result. You're not going to get a consistent result. I just don't believe you're going to get a consistent result through a rib cage. Well, that's the reason why a lot of people like mechanicals.

It's one of the things that they say is that the cut is so large when you get into the body cavity that you take out all the other variables. It's gonna do so much more trauma than something that's just a slit blade that, let's say you do hit that rib cage and it does slice and only hit one lung because it deflected off of it and it doesn't spin at all and now you lost the animal. Whereas you get a mechanical, it goes in there, it creates this massive fucking hole. It does all this trauma, going through two and three quarter

inches of trauma going through the animal. The odds of that animal surviving are gone. If you get him in the body cavity, they're gone. And I've seen people hit people with really good shots with small broadheads and not do much damage to the point where the animal runs off, they have a hard time blood trailing it. Even if the animal dies 30 minutes 60 minutes later you might have a hard time finding it

especially if you bumped it 100 percent. I've had that exact experience like multiple times with those little broadheads. Yeah man. Yeah. Yeah. It came. Like I said he changed the entire way you thought about it. Yeah. Because he's like create a big hole said, he changed the entire... What he thought about it.

Yeah. Because he's like created a big hole. Well, he changed his thought about it too. He was always a fixed blade guy, always. Yeah. And then who told him to do that? Oh, Wayne did from the Bo-Rack. Oh, really?

Yeah, Wayne said, you gotta try these carnivores. So just trust me, just try them. So these things are crazy. This is just, boom. Yeah. It opens up these four blade catapult looks it looks like one of those turkey broadheads Yeah Crazy and because the design is just like the hides it opens up from the front Yeah, so once it's inside then it's doing all its damage

So you don't have to worry about it getting destroyed going in through rib cages and stuff as much as you do with other things Because it's really just gonna get a little hole going in and then once and stuff, as much as you do with other things. Because it's really just gonna get a little hole going in, and then once it's in, then it's opening. It's kind of a perfect idea. The only thing that people don't like, like Dudley doesn't like, it doesn't leave a big hole in the outside.

Like I talked to Dudley about it, he's like, I want extreme trauma. I just want extreme, I want it one big giant cut with all that energy just going through the, is think of it like sticking a samurai sword Yeah, like through the the animals body, right? And you know, obviously he's one of the best bow hunters on earth, too So like there's a bunch of different philosophies on it But I think the idea of the mechanical blade is legit and I like the hybrid idea the best

Because then you always have a fixed blade no matter what I like the I like the hybrid idea the best because then you always have a fixed blade, no matter what. I like the hybrid. Obviously this year was great because I like the hybrid a lot more than what going either pure mechanical or pure fixed. Yeah, you feel like you got a little insurance policy. Yeah, it's like the best of both worlds.

You're like, okay, cool. Let's keep consistent with this. Everybody I talk to, they have, or at the past year, several years, they have all different opinions, which is broad heads are like assholes, everybody has a fucking different opinion. Sure.

John has his opinion, Kam has his opinion, everybody has their opinion. My buddy Dan, Elkshape, do you ever watch that? Sure. Yeah. Yeah, he's got his opinions too. Yeah, he's got his opinion. All these guys have opinions, so I'm just trying to like- And they're all successful too.

Exactly. That's the crazy thing. It's like you're trying to sort it out, like who's right? And so I'm just trying to like create the data and put it down into what works for me. And I don't have any sponsorships, so I'm just, which allows me to be fairly empirical in the way that I'm actually selecting the criteria. But I also don't have the reps these guys do either,

so you have to kind of rely on their data and then collect all of it and then kind of put it in one case, if that makes sense. Yeah, yeah. No, absolutely I'm always fucking around with things. That's one of the cool things about archery is all the tinkering You know, there's like so many different things you could try like this year's the first time I tried a 15 inch front bar You know, I went to a 15 inch front bar with a 12 inch back bar. Oh, I like it so much better Really? Yeah, because I was using that quivy and the problem is with wind, it's a sail.

That sail just pushes your pin around too much. Bro, I love that guy though. Oh yeah. I love that guy. Look, the Quivalizer, I used it for years. It's a great invention. But I find that with wind in particular, on a long, the balance that I would get

from that Quivalizer, I can get from that. I'm using a cutter stabilizer with a 15 inch front bar and a 12 inchinch back bar. Right. And it's perfect. It holds so good. It holds so nice. It feels so dead on.

This year I went with a 10-degree downward angle of the front bar. Yeah. I was going to ask you about that. Why did you go with it down versus what matters whether or not it's perpendicular to the ground? I know. It doesn't make any sense. It doesn't make any sense. But I was talking to these archers who do it, and Levi Morgan does it.

His goes at a downward angle too. And I was talking to this archer and he said it actually, for some reason, it helps you hold better. Like it locks in better. Really? Yeah, the slight downward thing when you're pulling back, there's something about the slight downward angle of it that it lets you hold better with the same amount of weight.

Because it's going in a different direction than just straightforward. It doesn't totally make sense, but I really believe in it. When I started doing it, I was like, ooh, there's a little different feel to this. I love that. I love all the tinkering. I love the tinkering. That's my favorite thing. It's so much fun because it's like, there's all

these different ways to do it. You know, there's all these different releases, there's all these different styles of releases. There's so many different things you can fuck with. You could just go down a rabbit hole after rabbit hole. You know? That's what I did. You and I, I would say like 90% of their tax are Yeah, like what release am I doing and I went I think I bought 20 releases this year like over the course of 23 24 after you know the hunting season mm-hmm and It's fun. It's just pure fun. Because, okay dude, I know I got it.

It's like 250 bucks, sure, you buy a release. And I fuck with it for a couple weeks. I get the pros and cons about it. And then I pass it over to the guy that runs my little bow shop there, Black Rifle, Isaac. I pass it off to him, I'm like, sell it on eBay, I don't give a fuck about those things. And. Black rifle Isaac I passed off to him like sell it on eBay. I don't give a fuck about those things

I got a box of them. Yeah, I got a box of different releases I've tried everything from four finger releases to two finger releases What I really like is that one with the clicker that onyx of the clicker. It's got this little click and then Shoot that as good as I could shoot a hinge So you get the best of both worlds. You get the ability to make it go off if you have to. If there's some weird situation where you have a literal split second to make a very close shot, you can get away with that. Or you could shoot at a long distance target

and feel just as comfortable as you do with a hinge. Because there's something about having that little click and that on-x clicker. Like once you feel that little click, you know it's about to go off. You just pull through it. It's so funny I'm I'm the exact opposite. I hate that fucking click like when I'm I just wanted to go it does fuck with your head But one thing it does is it puts all your concentration in the shot process instead of like hammering the trigger Right just so you hear that click, you know, right there. Yeah, just pull through it

And so it's such a delicate little click that once you get it in your head and you shoot with it a bunch of times You look welcome it like Okay, so you're you're like Looking forward. Yeah, I'm waiting and So you're like looking forward to it. Yeah. I'm waiting. And then the click is like, settle in. We're right there.

Plop. It's like that one extra step that gives you this one extra little piece of concentration. Joel Turner talks about it in that whole Shot IQ process. And he developed it. He developed the Onyx clicker. So that one. Oh, he developed that.

He developed it. Yes. Oh, shit. OK. Cool. So that one little thing, that one little click, which separates it from a regular trigger, and then, ba-bow! And then you get all your thought process into the shot process, and just making sure

you do a good shot. Huh. Yeah. Okay. Alright, I've used it. It's a thing you gotta get used to like everything else, but then you talk to Cam Haines, he just fucking hammers that trigger. I know.

He shoots everything. So it's like, some people can't do it that way it's weird everybody's got a different way they like to do it it pisses me off so bad because i see like some of my buddies like um do you know who chris jensen is the country music center have you ever like uh he and i have hunted together a few times in colorado he just hammers the trigger it's the craziest thing you've ever seen in your life. He's just like, pow! Like just.

That's kinda how Kim does it. And I look at him. He does that, tsh, touches off the trigger. I look at him every time, I'm like, oh my God, man, how are you like hitting the target? And he's like, just center mass just over and over again. But I think it's a mind fuck That a lot of people put their head into that you're gonna get target panic and that you can't control your emotions

During a shot process to the point where you could command trigger But that doesn't make any sense to me now doesn't make any sense from like I can understand the psychological aspect of target panic But I have a feeling that it comes from two different things. It comes from buck fever, which is like you're freaking out. You never shot a buck this big before. Oh my god, he's right there. And you're like, ah! And you freak out. That's normal. But that's an experience thing and you have to learn what that is and if you do it a bunch of times, then you get to the point where like, oh, I know how to control myself. I know what this is. And the more often you do it, like if you can go on a couple of pig hunts and then go on

an elk hunt, you're way more in the groove you way you like right there You know what to do you know how to do it and you could touch the trigger off 100% cam does it every goddamn time I? Think it comes from the target archery community because I think those guys are staring at these fucking little tiny X's from 20 yards, and they got to shoot 30 of them in a row right and I think you're you get mind And they got to shoot 30 of them in a row right and I think you're you get mine fucked and that's why those guys have hinges all these crazy and 40 inch fucking stabilizers and V's that come out the back and it's all about not moving plop plop But that's not bow hunting and we were talking about this that I think the difference between bow hunting and target archery is like the difference between

Doing free throws and playing basketball right Right, right. Yeah, yeah. Free throws, nobody's fucking with you, you're on the line, you can measure it, you can sit there and you can throw it. Different sport. Basketball, you're running around. You got to... people are trying to block. Different sport, same sub-skill set. Right, that's hunting.

Hunting is basketball. Target archery is free throws. That's what I think. Yeah. That's what I think. And, that's what I think. And I think you can't tell a guy like Cam Haines is doing it the wrong way. That is the best guy does it that way. You have to go, okay, why do we think you can't do it that way? Well, it's psychological. It's all psychological. It's all panic. It's all not being able to

control your nerves. If you can shoot perfectly that way at a target, you should be able to shoot perfectly at an animal. You should be able to shoot perfectly at an animal You should be able to the different It's not the animal isn't like some fucking invulnerable thing that like you have to do it a certain way or the frequency is Not correct now. It's an animal. It's like just like a target The army marksmanship team is not Delta Force like this Very different very good shooters. Army marksmanship team, probably extremely proficient shooters, maybe even better so

than Delta. However, it's a different scenario based activity, completely different. Yes, yeah. Yeah, just because you shoot accurate at a stationary target doesn't mean you understand how to freak out. when you have a yeah I a horse coming in with swords on its head Freak it's a fucking different thing man screaming. It's like ah I'm super horny. I'm gonna fuck you. I'm gonna kill you. I don't know and you're like Could you imagine if you came over from Europe and there was no? Elk over there, and you were camping in the woods

You were one of those first guys your stupid fucking burlap tent and you hear Demons this fucking you don't know you're like this is thing gonna right. It's gonna run me through It's not like I 100% gonna kill you. I would be more scared of that than a bear Yeah, this has giant swords on it. Well if it runs straight at you and just pales you and yes I had one come in. I'll be more scared of a bear though I feel like I grab an antler if I hadn't seen any one of these Before and like something comes in and it's got giant pointy things on its head And I'm like trying to be completely blank slate

And I've got this other fuzzy thing that I can't really see it's like claws and teeth I'm like my god I'm way more afraid of this thing with swords on its head the bear depends on what kind of bear we're talking about yeah like if it's a little black bear I don't give a shit I don't care I don't care about those things at all like it's it's so they're they're kind of obnoxious Do you see that one that got shot in New Jersey? That's 880 pounds. Yeah, 170 pounds dressed It's fucking crazy in New Jersey in New Jersey. That's how East Coast How is that possible? They have the most

They have the most black bears per capita in the whole country We've played a hundred times the video of the Bears wrestling in the middle of the neighborhood and far Rockaway. Big fucking black bears just going to war in the middle of the street. I had I grew up in this middle of the like logging community out in the middle of nowhere. And there's this dude that used to keep. It's we I fight it was out in the middle of nowhere, dude. It's like so hill jack, but it's awesome and

My grandfather everybody they're all hardcore loggers, but I'm not exaggerating we had a guy Just outside of town that a pet bear a pet black bear I'm he's a full-grown fucking black bear. Oh my god, and he would just I mean, he's a full-grown fucking black bear. Oh my god, and he would just This is the sad part like he had like defanged it because it would slobber on people And but he had a full-on black bear that would Suck on his arm basically

And yeah, I mean he's a couple people accidentally he what he found a couple people accidentally playing with That's what you made him gummy. Yeah gummy. Yeah, what did he feed it? Who the fuck knows man like donuts like when I see this these are Loggers yeah, you know these are these are how long did he had this bear by 10 years? These are these are how long did he had this bear by 10 years? You know I Tend to like you know what a crazy turn down the volume on my like redneck upbringing Yeah, just run we would drive by it on our way to another town

And he had a fucking bear in his front yard in a cage It was insane dude No, no, I kept it in a cage big cage just imagine he never let it out No, you'd let it all the time you like fucking walking around like the guy was a complete insane person Oh my god, and my uncle The guy was a complete insane person. Oh my God. And my uncle, my great uncle, he's like 80 years old,

complete crazy person too. Taught himself how to fly back in the day. Came back from World War II. He was on Navy, he was a Navy ship guy. Taught himself how to fly. He would fly around this Piper Super Cub and back in the day you get a bounty for cougar tails. So he had a walker hound and he would put him in the front seat of his Piper Super Cub

and fly around looking for tracks, land his plane in the middle of fucking nowhere, kick his dog out. So he'd tell me these stories and I mean I hunted with this guy forever. And the dog would find the bear? Yeah, you punch him out on the bear or the cougar or whatever it was. Tree it? Tree it, shoot it with a.22 Hornet because his whole thing was you let them bleed out in their lungs and then they fall out of the tree. You don't want to shoot him with too big of a caliber because it knocks him out of the tree and they run around.

If you shoot him with small caliber and penetrates both lungs their lungs fill up Oh, they drown and they fall out Jesus Christ this is what like my Cecil ball was my uncle back in the he's a backup gun. Oh, yeah This guy was completely insane. He had like by when I was hunting with him. Cause I wouldn't be comfortable with a cougar and a 22. Dude, this guy was 80 years old when I was hunting cougars with him back in, what, the panhandle of Idaho.

And he would tell me stories, and I would only go hunting with him to listen to the stories, because they were the best fucking stories on the planet. He crashed his plane, he got fired from the sawmill He was buzzing the tower buzz in the tower crashed his fucking plane into his boss's office. He's like fuck you. I'm out of here He was a complete insane person He was telling me this other story and these are like the summarized version that the the the cliff notes of it

But dude, he would Bay Cougars in the middle of mountains by himself. He's fly his plane land at the middle of the snow Find a spot for him Bay Cougars and he had this cougar up in this log jam above a creek and He was telling me this this cougar tucked himself underneath the logs above the creek And there's snow on top of the logs or logs And then he was like crawling in underneath in the middle of the mountains with like a 357 snub nose Because he's like these this cougar is eating my dogs And he's like reaching around, my uncle,

who had like three strokes by the time that I was talking to him, he's like, and he'd stutter a little bit. He's driving like 80 miles an hour around like crazy logging roads in the middle of nowhere. I'm white knuckling his Toyota Tacoma with cougar hounds in the back of the Toyota going, oh my god, I'm gonna fucking die any moment He's like yeah, yeah, and I got my You know he's like he had a he had a slight stutter you pull out his snub-nose

357 like a gangster and reach underneath the logs and start pulling the trigger once he found the right fur between the cougar and his dogs. Oh my god. This dude was completely insane when it came to doing things. This is my uncle. This is like the guy that I'm like hanging out with. He reached into the logs and felt his way to the cat yes with a snub nose Whatever you know 357 god to kill the cougar because he was pulling up his dogs and eating his dogs Oh my god. Mm-hmm. Yeah

Holy shit like when you talk about where I grew up and like the guys I grew up with Cuz I you know I'm a green beret. You know it's like fucking pussy Oh yeah, oh you're not like walking around in the woods with a saw on your back. You know and like yeah Just jumping on planes. I guess you know that's hilarious. They look down on it like that's an easy job. Yeah. You're not a fucking lumberjack.

You're not a fucking lumberjack. You're kind of a pussy. That's so crazy. I'd go home, my dad would make fun of me. Isn't it interesting that there's like levels of discipline and hard work in the world? Like there's like, if you wanna be a logger, there's no easy logger job.

They don't exist. That is a hard fucking job. Those are hard men. Yeah, you wanna be a logger and you're gonna do it for 30 years? You're gonna chop and carry trees for 30 fucking years? You're gonna be living in the woods, chopping and carrying trees for 30 fucking years and like falling trees

Rapping oh, yeah big cables around them, and they'd be like oh you carried a backpack through the woods And that's pretty cool I mean you think about the different like groups of people that live these extreme lives And how many people are at the coffee shop with blue hair that are totally oblivious, and they think hard work is like, you know, I'm dealing with my trauma, and I'm going to Starbucks today to protest. It is a guy with a log on his back,

and he's 75 years old, and he can't wait to get off work so he can kill cougars yeah with a pistol with a fucking 357 and we all exist on the same landmass Some dude that looks like he's like building bikes in the 1800s with the fucking curly comb mustache It's like waxed up, and you've got a another guy That's like 80 years old. It's had three strokes. It's driving around in the mountains It's running up a mountain at a six-minute mile

Chasing his dogs to go kill a cougar Nah, not the same person not the same order of priorities You know, there's probably a lot of those guys back in the day Yeah, but that was a common type of human in like 1820 Yeah, but you ran it all that was like how you had to stay alive You know you live to be about 40 then you had a stroke Everybody died nobody got any vitamins Eating fucking corn meal and gruel and trying to eat squirrels

You're barely getting by You're eating you're eating a bear. Yeah, that's how fucking nasty they preferred bears. Yeah, that's what's crazy Apparently they they thought it tasted like beef they cooked a lot of bears Gross the Grizzlies apparently are super gross. I asked cam just released a new video redemption a grizzly bear Yeah, and it's good great video, but he ate the bear. I'm like how did it taste like it was okay? And then I talked to James. He's like it was fucking horrible horrible. It tastes Disgusting but black bear didn't taste that bad if you get it from a good spot apparently like Renella says the blueberries Bears have been eating blueberries are the best tasting meat ever, but that I think that's also relative to bear meat

So they're saying no he says it's like a great tasting. I don't believe it I don't believe him you don't think it was like flavored with like all they ate was blueberries I think the problem is they eat so much rotten shit Yeah, and that affects the way they taste, but I if they're eating only blueberries like do you ever see his video mm-hmm with the blueberry fat. Yeah, it's like purple fat It's crazy. He said that's delicious. He said it's so delicious. I believe him. I'd I love using a fucking liar I He's awesome He's so much fun to hunt with and he's so but I just firmly disagree with the mother's or Mike bro Like no, what is the best-tasting game animal for you?

Moose moose interesting 100% It's a good one and the for me or for my kids Moose is the only game animal my kids are like, yeah, really? Yeah They are 100% chips in they look forward to it not only do they look forward to it they request it it's the only game meat that's interesting that's very interesting like I can eat elk but I'm the only one at the table eating oak interesting yeah yeah I only shot one moose ever and I ate it I remember it it was good. But that was with Ben O'Brien like 10 years ago.

But I haven't had a lot of experience with it. For me it's Axis deer and elk are the two best ones. Elk first, Axis deer second. Yeah. Do you like Axis? I love Axis. It's crazy what it tastes like, right? It doesn't taste like a deer.

No, it's beef. Like this is a totally different kind of animal. It's not even beef, it's like a clean. It's almost sweet. Yeah, it's a clean beef. Yeah, it's an interesting flavor And the fact that you know, they have so many of them in Hawaii Like that Maui Nui venison company for people want to buy wild game You can get actual wild game from Maui Nui venison. They'll ship you access to your frozen. They have meat sticks. It's fucking great I'm not affiliated with them I know the owners but I don't have anything to do with them

It's but it's great company and they're doing something that you actually have to do There's no natural predators on Maui so they they have to shoot these access to you. They're fucking everywhere They're like their rodents in their delicious rodent It's a crazy animal hunt too because they grew up with tigers so they evolved with tiger so they moved so fucking fast They're the fastest animal I've ever hunted. I I shot at a doe at 30 yards bedded and She dodged the arrow It doesn't even make sense they move so fast it doesn't make sense I started shooting them at longer distance away because

the arrows Quiet and they can't hear this the string slap. Yeah, so they can't hear the bow So I started just shooting them a little bit further away They still hear that way if you we stopped hunting them in the day because in the morning, there's no wind We started hunting them only in the afternoon because there's more wind to the way at least covers a little bit of it But Dudley got video of me shooting this saxosteer at 80 yards and it's a perfect shot. Perfect. It's going right to the vitals at 80 yards.

Perfect break. And then 10 yards, the arrow's 10 yards from him. He goes, and he's gone. Within 10 yards, he was gone. He was nowhere near where the arrow hit. What? 10 yards? He heard the arrow coming and he moved out of the way ten yards from there's a video of a slow-mo video

Because it's a lighted knock. He's a perfect line headed straight for his vitals and then gone Gone not even like I don't even close not even close like a bullet. I missed him by like a whole quarter He was gone. He just ran away quarter he was gone he just ran away they hear things they think a tiger's coming yeah just go they just go it just makes you feel so slow we watch how they move you like people suck we're so fucking clumsy and soft and we're so vulnerable my back hurts my my arrow that's moving a you know 300 feet per second It has no chance no chance no chance. Yeah, especially if they see the bow go off or they hear the bug off They're gone and they're delicious and they're everywhere in Texas, too

That's the wild thing about Texas you could just bring whatever you want in well you want zebras you can bring zebras you had zebras Whatever you want in well you want zebras you can bring zebras you had zebras My wife saw a zebra one day, which is driving the kids to school. I know we have I saw a zebra I think I saw a zebra so you probably did some asshole probably has a zebra the zebra got out My kids would be like driving around like let's go look at the zebras Okay, let's go look at the zebras you could have zebras in Texas, but I love it I love it that you can go to like when we went to that place down in South, Texas that ranch that my friend owns We went down there like there's African animals here Yeah, if these crazy black bucks and all these different animals are not from anywhere near here

And there's thousands of them like this is nuts. Well you you shot that um Neil guy yes. Yeah. Yeah, but everybody says that's a the best And there's thousands of them like this is nuts. Well you you shot that um Neil guy yes. Yeah, yeah, but everybody says that's a the best meat ever So put it on the scale Everything else really good. It's all really good all wild game from a healthy animals delicious. I find at least Undulates they're all delicious. I've never found one that I didn't like but I still think elk is the best That's just my I like the flavor Also, I like elk hunting so much. It means more to me. Yeah, I'm eating a piece of elk I think I'm just biased. I think if there's anything it's I just like eating them

I'd like eating them and I also think it's gonna sound crazy, but I think you get their spirit I think there's something about these super potent, wild animals that you kill with an arrow and then you're eating it. Like you get the spirit of that experience, the spirit of that animal. I think it empowers you in some very strange physiological way.

I really do. I think they're so vitamin rich. Like they're such athletes. The way they run up a mountain like you're getting these Nutrients from that animal that I don't think is in like any other animal Because there's so much stronger than all those other animals. They just run they have 900 pounds They run right up the top of a mountainside like it's nothing like this is crazy You watch them when they get winded and they fucking run over the top of a hill that takes you 40 minutes to

Crawl up. They just run up it when you eat that thing you're like You just feel it. You know you feel it in your your body feels it you get it like a little boost Yeah, it's a it's electric. Yeah, I feel the same way. I've given it to people that don't even hunt Yeah, and they go dude. I feel so good after I ate this yeah, there's something to that It's superfood. It is a superfood my neighbors When I gave them you know elk or whatever it is they're like Dude, this is amazing. Yeah, yeah, this is what it feels like To be a hunter. This is what it feels like to be a hunter. This is what it feels like to go out, kill something, process it, put in a package, and

it's special. It's meaningful. It's the whole celebration. And I hate to say it like that, but it is. This is... You said it earlier, and actually I wanted to... What'd you call it? an assassin for your food or so yeah, yeah supermarket assassin. Yeah supermarket assassin Yeah, this is the difference is over here. You think this is one it tastes different to there's a Definitive meaning you're associating with it. So there's no way that you can tell me that there's not a psychological and nutrient connection between those two where it makes

Something more meaningful and beneficial specifically for you There's just no way you can tell me that's not better right like a good meal with people you love I feel like almost gives you extra nutrients almost like there's an extra good feeling about it's why people like eating together You know eating good food with people care about having fun the whole experience is better for your overall being It's a difference between like jacking off in a porta potty and eating a meal with your fucking family, right? There's like a huge difference like one is like the gross and a little bit shameful and disgusting And just like one's a jack-of-the-box cheeseburger does an elk that you cooked on your own grill Yeah, yeah, exactly. Yeah, it's a big difference man

Yeah, it's um. I'm glad I found it. I'll tell you that it's uh it's also it's so hard to do You know we both had our trials and tribulations Elk bow hunting and it's just it's so difficult to do that the people that do it well You you know the people that are successful you know how hard it is to do you like goddamn you pulled it off like that. That's a Hunting elk with a bow in the wild is a real thing Even you know the places we go are better. They have more elk and stuff. It's always hard folks. It's hard It's always the problem with the public land thing is the public This is fucking I have so many friends that have terrible stories

about guys winding elk on purpose, blowing elk out. They're all competing against the same packs of elk, or the same groups of hunters are competing against the same elk groups. It's like, it's crazy. These herds of animals are getting winded on two and three sides, because people people are moving in trying to get them. It's just the ideal situation would be that,

I think the ideal situation would be, you know they're trying to do that American, what is it called, the American Serengeti project they're trying to like rewild a whole section of the country they're buying up land and they want to like bring back buffalo and bring back all these animals if everybody like at one time in their life could have like some sort of a hunt where they like someone shows them how to do it Someone takes them out they get an animal and they cook and eat that animal if you're a meat eater

I think at one time in your life. You should try to do that I think that may be the solution for people to understand what it's all about Just one time in your life or even go with someone when they're doing it one time Just know what that's like because it's because it ignites a little part of your DNA that you didn't even know was in there. There's like a little part of us that for tens of thousands of years, the only way we survived is hunting. Yeah.

Thousands and thousands and thousands of years just baked into our DNA. And when you're in there and you're in those woods and you've got that range finder and that elk is 52 yards away and you see him walking through the bushes and you know that rangefinder and that elk is 52 yards away and you see him walking through the bushes and you know you got a window and this like a part of your dna that just goes yeah this is what we're doing this is what we're doing now lock in lock in get the animal bring it back there's like some crazy like ancient primal code and i tell people the same thing when you

catch a fish when you catch a fish is like oh this excitement you catch of it that's built into your code because now you're gonna live you're gonna live you got food for your family it's in there a human reward system and that's how we're supposed to get food we're supposed to appreciate the food because it's hard to get that's what it's supposed to be. It's not supposed to be good Supermarket look at the ground beef is a five dollars a pound and fucking Never chase anything you never go kill anything you just sitting there eating your fucking bowl of pasta Easy it's so easy right? It's just it's not supposed to be that easy not supposed to be easy to know If it is you're gonna get anxiety

You're not designed for that you're designed for like trauma and testing you're designed for struggle You're designed to overcome things and if you're not ever overcoming anything you're filled with anxiety Yeah, I don't deserve this yeah. I got what how do I deserve this? Majestic fucking animal that just consumed. I didn't earn it., I got well. How do I deserve this? Majestic fucking animal just consumed I didn't earn it no I just paid for it Which is weird what doing some weird job, and then you get these hitmen out there whacking cows Supermarket hitman that's like the best that is one of the best quotes. I've got it is I mean there's anything That's there's nothing grosser in this country than factory farming. It's the grossest thing ever They have laws where you're not even allowed to film it because it's so gross

No, it's aggag laws. We go to jail if you filmed horrific acts Which is completely Insane when you think about it. Yeah when you think about how easy it is to go get your food and people knew When you think about how easy it is to go get your food and people knew Especially meat eaters. I I've never quite understood meat eaters that are anti hunting that makes no sense to me by the way Like zero sense How can you think that this is a better way where you're caging an animal? filling up for full of like hormones and Supplemental nutrition in corn and all these things.

And then you're putting a bolt through its head. But I'm not there. And then I'm at Starbucks protesting. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I'm not there. It's like, but you're anti-me. I don't know how this McGriddle got in my hand, but now I'm putting it in my mouth.

Just because I wanna actually feel the significance of this event in the context of like I don't have any bloodlust I just don't want to be a hypocrite, right? It's also one of those things like if you haven't experienced it you really don't understand it and when you're trying to explain it to people They're looking at it from like the cartoon Disney version of hunters and movie version of hunters. We're all cocksuckers Dude, we should wrap this up because we got to go. All right. Let's hit it. It's almost six o'clock We've done like dude. How many hours do we do?

Five hours like that all right. Thanks. Appreciate you brother. All right. Bye