The Joe Rogan Experience - #2239 - Derek, More Plates More Dates

Episode Date: December 5, 2024

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So we just watched this. What is this exact job? We watched this guy get assassinated. Just kind of, I've seen more people assassinated and killed over the last two years on Instagram than I ever have in my Oh, yeah, dude. The Explorer page now is a disaster it's just like me and Tom Segura have this thing where we send each other the most fucked up thing we find every day It's a brutal text thread But because of it now I'm locked into this algorithm CEO of their insurance unit, which I don't know what the

differences and what people are is CEO but a targeted attack by a gunman waiting for him a real assassination 645am outside the Hilton on Sixth Avenue, where the company's annual investor conference is about to take place. Yeah, man. Wonder what's going on with that. That's one of those things that just makes conspiracy theorists go cuckoo. I'm sure there's some real good theories floating around on X right now. Oh, for sure.

Is there? It's got to be. The investor meeting has now been canceled, obviously, but so that was maybe the goal. What's worse, your X Explorer page or your Instagram my Instagram oh really yeah my I don't I just follow I mean I follow a lot of people on both X and Instagram it's I don't know if it's necessarily a good thing but when I someone said something interesting or they post something interesting on Instagram. I just immediately follow like let's see. Let's see if this would be fun

but on the thing about Twitter or X is that like I Don't interact enough to have a really fucked up algorithm. I'm mostly just reading stuff I don't really hardly ever like post anything I think the problem is I'll click to watch a full video of the fucked up things So that it reinforces the algorithm. Oh, yeah Oh, you want to see this guy get shot or oh you want to see this car accident? We'll give you more of those. I've seen so many people get run over by cars. Oh so yeah, and it's crazy because I

A lot of the stuff I've seen in the past year I didn't even know could be on the internet right I don't know how it is when there's so many things you can't put on do you know that there's a loophole that the ladies Use to show their breasts. Oh which one fake boobs fake, baby. Oh, no. Yeah, these are fake, baby So they breastfeed so you got these girls these big juicy melons And they pull one out and have a rubber baby and the rubber baby Suck on the tit and the baby looks so fake But they can get some like pretty realistic fake babies yeah, like what was that movie with

The sniper movie about Chris Kyle, what was that called? Remember there's a movie where he had a fake baby and it was like so obvious. He's got this like rubber baby and he's like holding onto his child in this stupid scene. I'm pretty sure on Twitter you can just post nudity without any problems, right? You can post pornography. Yeah, dude, the replies to a lot of tweets

that are irrelevant to porn, it'll just be like that's cool but have you seen my pussy it'll be like some chick promoting her only fans that's so common now and I just like the discourse is like half infested at this point so you have this one lady who was saying she made 40 million dollars this year on it's on only fans oh yeah that's nuts 40 million and she's a virgin I guess and she doesn't sure sure she's a virgin sure she's a 23 year old big-tittied version the only one that exists the whole world yeah that's an interesting Scenario if true because it's like a lot of dudes

Want to shit on these chicks for being like like prostitutes essentially, right? But like if she was actually a virgin and she's posting like almost nude But not quite but making a bunch of money off it. Yeah, there's like two contradictory things going on right now Yeah, she wins. But the problem is, this is, I mean, I don't want to tell anybody not to do anything. Like, ladies, you do what you want, you do you. If I was a young, pretty girl,

I'd probably be on OnlyFans. I'd probably make some money, fuck it. Why would I want to be a waitress when I could just show my tits? That's how I would look at it. The problem is twofold. One, you become addicted to an extraordinary amount of money if you're successful at it, right?

So there's like a scale of people on the OnlyFans apparently. Most of the OnlyFans, we talked about this, right? Like most of the gals don't make that much money. Most of them. Yeah, I mean, what's that much? Six figures or millions or? No, like even less. Like most of them make a few thousand dollars a month

I think so I think out of this 43 one guy paid her five million It would suck to is if you went full board and you did like actual porn and just got like banged on camera Just for thinking you're gonna become a multi-millionaire And then you still are like you would have to get banging on camera a lot for years to really develop a fan base and you have to do a really good job like every time super enthusiastic but my point is like you're not going to like most beautiful young women want a high-value man as a husband if let's say they're heterosexual let's

just assume they want to get married if they do want to get married they do want a relationship you're not gonna get a high-value man especially if you're making if you're making millions of dollars a year doing this you're gonna want a guy who makes millions of dollars a year right you're not gonna want a guy who makes less than you you're probably used to buying fucking Louis Vuitton this and that and you're used to all this shit So you're probably you're wealthy, right? So you're already your dating pools smaller Because you're probably not interested in the guy who makes a hundred thousand dollars a year like a regular guy to you is like What is he gonna do? It came and take me anywhere. This is bull

I'm gonna pay for our vacation the fuck out of here, right? So you've already like cut like regular guys out So now you have a very small pool of men that you can date and then out of that pool How many of them are gonna accept the fact that you're doing this now you even even smaller pool So some guys will accept it But for how long like if you get real serious you get married and then you're still showing your asshole to everybody, that's, you know, you're in, but you're addicted to that money. Like, are you going to pick a relationship over this guy who may or may not be DMing his ex-girlfriend, you know, like you're going to throw it all away and throw away this $40 million a year empire you've created? Or are you trapped

in that essentially forever? Yeah, it's interesting the thresholds though too of where they become successful for what they're doing because it seems like some of them don't have to show their asshole. They just post like thirst trap fitness girl type content almost. And people pay for that? I think so. Why would they pay for that when there's so much of that for free on Instagram? I know, that's like the common question. And my search page on Instagram is all butts.

I assume it's something to do with like you follow this person and like you get a bigger hit of dopamine probably from being able to hype it potentially see more revealing something from somebody that you are like a fan of already interaction that I think is a big component too because it's like I think half the income is like DMs. Well there was some some Google guy some executive at Google that was warning about what's going to happen with AI girlfriends, with these sort of indistinguishable AI girlfriends that are going to interact with guys, and how this is going to create profound loneliness and all sorts of real problems.

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Andrew Tate type deal. There's a bunch of dudes who are like pounded on the keyboard where the girl shows her tits. Yeah. Which is what he did for years. Yeah innovator. Yeah and the curve. Yeah. And the curve. Yeah, you're going to not have any idea whether it's even a real person, right? Because there's a bunch of AI-generated girlfriends or girls, rather, that have OnlyFans, where they don't even exist.

They're not even a physical being. Yeah, there's some pretty big Instagram pages, I think, that are just like fake. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, and it's just like even a, I think that are just like fake. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It's just like even I think they're owned by entities like companies that have like an army of AI chicks. Yeah. Yeah. Oh yeah. Which is crazy. And they generate a lot of money. I've seen the comment

section on a couple of them too. And shockingly, well maybe not, I don't know. But there's a lot of people that are engaging with it like it's a real person. And I thought it was pretty obvious it was AI, but I mean, some people are pretty stupid. Well, there's a high percentage of people in this country that have a below 85 IQ. Like a real good percentage. Isn't it like 15 or 20%? Is it something nutty like that? Yeah.

Yeah, it's like the same amount of people that are above that are going to be below. It's like a standard deviation of like averages and stats. Yeah, there's people that are they're about as smart as a labrador They just can talk then you can trick them Yeah, you know and if you can get those dumbasses that work at Subway to donate five dollars a month and you get enough of them Have you seen me the UFC collab with that only fans no there's a UFC collab only fans chick pull it up what is this so there's this girl who to spark outrage and get engagement she breaks like exotic cars when she'll stand on a Lambo and just smash the windshield or

something right and just like shake her ass And then it gets tons of views. And there's a bunch of guys freaking out because she's disrespecting a nice piece of machinery or whatever. But at the end of the day, she gets views from it. And then more people go to her page and sign up to it. But how much is a Lambo worth? Like, Lambos are like half a million dollars, right?

She'll smash like the windshield only or like a window from like the Driver side and then do some like call to action or something Wow, I pull up the the UFC one you'll be able to tell what I'm talking about better The girl you're talking about, but I don't I didn't know she did something with the yeah, Dana. Why you like posted it? What he's like check this shit out what? Yeah What he's like check this shit out what yeah Unless they on is it on UFC Instagram? Yeah, it was like a collaboration. I saw a few days ago Okay What they're giving away a McLaren or something for the next UFC event?

I think and she's the one who's talking about it after smashing the window of a limbo what yeah real I? Thought it was kind of a weird combo. This is the gal oh Don't do it. Don't you know is that a crowbar? Oh, what the fuck are you doing? Oh? Jesus 600 LT at powerslap for free check out the links in our bios on how to enter at PowerSlab for free. Check out the links in our bios on how to enter. Everybody said. Wow, we're the dumbest fucking race.

We are so dumb. What are the accounts that collabed with it? It was UFC, right? Yeah, it was for PowerSlab event. We are, of course it's for PowerSlab. That's just as dumb. We are the dumbest motherfuckers that have ever lived. We really are.

What do you think about PowerSlab? I don't. I don don't I don't get it I watched it a ton of times unlike little Instagram reels, you know when it shows up I watch guys get KO'd it's I would never advise anybody to do it. I don't care how good you are getting slapped I don't care how good you are at slapping people for me The whole idea of fighting is to hit and not get hit. The whole idea is the skill. It's like you impose your skill set.

It's like a human chess game. That's the opposite. You're just standing in front of each other, whacking each other in the face. But I will watch. So if people wanna do it, that's your jam. If you're some giant fat guy. We see one of those guys actually had a fight a dirty boxing fight with yo, well Romero

Oh, it's like the freaks. Yeah, he's like a dirty boxing king dude. He's also Super juicy now. He's a heavyweight now, so yo well is 47 Yeah, so he was competing under pretty rigorous testing with the UFC as far as like, you know I'm sure you would disagree but look at what he looks like now. We could talk about that. Yeah. Yeah, definitely This is yo well now He smashes this guy look at the size of him this is not a good video Jamie fine find another video of it There's the actual video of it from the fight event. That's someone's camera from side side view but he's huge yo else like 220 now 225 maybe he's fucking massive he used to suck down to 185 and then what would he walk in at though I

think like well when he would weigh 185 this is back when yo I was fighting there was actual weigh-ins yeah you know so right, there was actual weigh-ins. So right now there's actual weigh-ins, but it's a ceremonial weigh-in. Like tomorrow at the UFC, I'll host the ceremonial weigh-in. So the fighters weighed in at like nine o'clock in the morning. The ceremonial weigh-in is at 5 p.m. They've had the entire day to rehydrate. So Yoel back in those days was 185 when you weighed in at 5 p.m At 185 and you couldn't believe he was 185 because I would be like 200 pounds and I'd be sitting there. I'm like how

How am I bigger than you this doesn't make it's like defies all known laws of Physics and gravity like it doesn't make any sense. He was massive these enormous traps He was one of the rare guys that when he would suck weight. He didn't look smaller He still looked fucking huge man. Yeah, he had like a really is really round muscle bellies So it's almost like bodybuilder esque yeah terms of like how much how much bigger you look just cosmetically to you So this guy that he's fighting is a slap fight guy. And look at the size of Yoel now. He's definitely less lean.

Yeah, he's less lean. He's eating whatever he wants, but he's still got a six pack. But he's fucking massive, dude. So how do you end up in this league? Like what was... Oh, I think this is Mike Perry's thing. I think he's putting this together, or he's involved with it in some way, shape, or form. So Yoel is just basically toying with this guy. This guy has literally no business, no disrespect to the man,

but no business in the ring with this world-class athlete. Like how much do you gotta get paid to go in and fight Yoel for this? He gets $15. Like watch how he hops up in the air before he decides to go He just decides to like hop in the air. He's like enough. Let me end this he just decides it's time to end it Oh my god, he's fucking huge to his back. Look at his back that guy used to weigh 185 and

By the way, if we can see the back of his neck, he has a fully fused neck. If he wasn't 36 when he entered into the UFC, that's how old he was when he first started fighting. He was already past his professional prime when he first started fighting in the UFC. If he had gotten into MMA when he was 20, probably nobody would have ever beaten him. He's the freak of all freaks when it comes to like athletic Specimens like he's the freak. Yeah, when was his last fight in the UFC quite a while ago He fought out of Sonia. I want to say five years ago

when the women when he fight Israel and I think maybe had one other fight other than that but you know he was knocking guys dead at 40 you know March 7th 2020 there you go so that was his last fight in the UFC so the last four years he's been competing for Bellator and so they're a little less stringent. They don't have a USADA deal or now whatever it's called, drug-free sport, I think they call it now. That's the new company. Which is essentially the same protocols,

but they don't wake you up on the day of the weigh-ins or anything like that. USADA was gross. Like they would take these guys that are dehydrated, starving themselves, day before the fight, wake them up at six o'clock in the morning. Did you see that article I sent you about the USATA corruption?

Yes, so let's talk about that. Yeah, so basically, and this was like a WADA press release too, so it's not like it was some journalist or something, it's like on the official WADA site, and they were basically exposing how USATA was covering up test results. So high- For which athletes?

Unnamed. Which sports? They wouldn't say, they just said like Olympic level athletes and elite athletes and kept it very vague. Really? And essentially they disclosed what they had tested positive for

and even that one of them was an Olympic caliber athlete and their entire career, they got to go until retirement without getting exposed just because they helped you set up supposedly catch other people oh they were narcs so like yeah so if you help them catch people then you could get away with using like full board testosterone really No! Really? Oh my god, so they're like a drug dealer that works for the government. Yeah. Wow.

Yeah, and this was like one of the reasons of many why Hunter and others are very critical of USADA and are glad they're not under it anymore. Well, there's a lot of stupidity with their regulations. Like one of them is BBC 157, which is natural in the human body. And peptides, all they're doing is helping you heal. You're literally dealing with a sport

where you beat the fucking shit out of each other every day in training. And you're not going to assist these people in healing. Wouldn't that only benefit everybody? There's no fear of harm. No one's like fear of like harm. There's no, like no one's dying from BBC 157. Within the code there's a provision whereby an athlete who provides substantial assistance can subsequently apply to have a proportion of their period of ineligibility suspended. Wow, look how they phrase that.

What dirty language. Proportion of their period of ineligibility suspended. What does that mean? It means you're allowing them to cheat. However, there's a clear process for that, which does not involve allowing those who have cheated to continue to compete while they may or may not gather incriminating... Wait a minute. What are you saying then? So it doesn't do that. They're saying it doesn't do that. Well, at the bottom, what is now aware of at least three cases where athletes who had committed serious anti-doping rule violations were allowed to continue to compete for years while they acted as undercover agents. Okay, so they pretended that they wouldn't let someone compete if they were doping, but they still did. Yeah, essentially,

while they were on shit. Wow. Imagine if that's like boxing in the Olympics or something like that. The athlete was allowed to line up against their unknowing competitors as if they had never cheated. In that case when you saw it eventually admitted to WADA that had been what had been going on it advised that any publication of consequences or disqualification of results would put the athletes security at risk. What? And asked WADA to agree to non-publication? What? Secure were they worried about with that with Lance Armstrong? The fuck are you talking about security at risk in other case of a high-level athlete?

You saw to never notified Wada of its decision to lift an athlete's provisional suspension Which is an appealable decision despite being required to do so under the code had Had Wada been notified, it would have never allowed this." Wow, interesting. It sounds like this was somewhat how they operated as if they had a high profile enough person or certain circumstances they would kind of autonomously decide, hey if you work alongside us to catch other people because you might know something that we don't or what have you that will just let you You know, no one will know that's so dirty. That's so dirty. That's literally contrary to the whole Reason why they exist. Yeah, what's really crazy is I mean according to the UFC. So what happened was the UFC Had some disputes with them and decided to sever their relationship and

then USADA like publicly said that UFC is gonna allow their competitors to do steroids now which is not the case at all like they already had a contract in place with drug-free sport I talked to the guy from drug-free sport and he was essentially laying out the pro it was essentially identical no BBC 157 no testosterone growth, nothing. You can't do anything. The standards are actually much higher now too in contrast. You said I would claim or at least suggest that they were doing full spectrum bulletproof testing, but it turned

out they were almost never EPO testing. The HGH testing was never really done. And then also the isoform, was it the isotope ratio mass spec was not really being done either. Was that a like a budget thing? Like it was too expensive? Yeah, I believe so. And also time intensive for some of these tests as well. And I guess for like the number of tests they were conducting, perhaps it was too extensive, or I don't really know what the exact motivation was. Often you would think it comes down to budget and time, but also if you have an expert who just thinks it's not warranted to go further, like the same way if you went to a doctor and you'd be like,

should I test this? They'll be like, oh, if we know this, who cares? It's not necessary. doctor and you'd be like, should I test this? They'll be like, oh, if we know this, like, who cares? It's not necessary. Like, I don't necessarily know. They went to the depth and rigor to claim somebody did or didn't cheat if I have, you know, preliminary data that you would exclude having to go further. Sometimes you don't have to, you know, test further if there's not an atypical finding. So... Yeah, but like, let's, if they're not testing for EPO, for example, and maybe there's not an atypical finding. So. Yeah, but like, let's, if they're not testing for EPO, for example, and maybe there's an event in Mexico City, right, which is 7,700 feet above sea level,

that place is brutal. That's where Cain Velasquez, who was known as like, probably the greatest cardio heavyweight of all time, he fought Fabricio over Doom, and he did not prepare properly. Fabricio actually moved to the mountains above Mexico City, and trained there for like four months. So Fabricio speaks fluent Spanish, lived in Mexico,

he like, he was really got ready, and he beat Cain Velasquez that night to become the champion. And he had tremendous cardio, and Cain was just dying. That's how brutal Mexico City is. So imagine when you're competing at that altitude or maybe Colorado Springs or one of these like really high altitude places, which we have events, Salt Lake City. And you don't test for EPO. Yeah, that's crazy.

That's crazy because that's the place where you would do it, particularly if like you're defending your title or you're challenging for a title. Yeah, and it's like some of this stuff, even if you're looking for it, is quite difficult to detect anyway. It's like microdosing EPO is still, they're trying to refine the parameters and determine with greater scrutiny how to detect it.

How long is the life that's detectable inside your body? Ah, I believe it's like a few days and that's if you're using like that's not a microdose protocol either. Well how much of a benefit do you get from microdosing? Fairly significant given you can even just retaining your baseline parameters if you're weight cutting can be quite helpful so it's almost like offsetting, for example, the suppression of hormones or the suppression of like any sort of parameter that would decrease with heavy nutrient deprivation. If you can sustain it at normal is performance

enhancing in contrast to your competitors who are also weight cutting and might not have the same advantages. Well, that's why TJ Dillashaw did it when he was dropping down the flyweight to fight Henry Cejudo, which is when he got popped. But he looked like a skeleton. Did you ever see those weight cut? Yeah, that was insane. I might be mis-speaking on the detection time of EPO by the way, but it's at minimum the micro dose protocols that are being implemented still. Even most recent literature you find upwards of 50% of the studied participants where they're actually looking for it still passed their testing. Really? Yeah. Wow. Well one of the

things that I've read about sauna is that sauna use especially like directly after cardio imparts like like a microdose EPO effect. Have you read anything about that? Not for, not recently, no. So, I don't know, maybe you could brush me up. Do you have a? Well, maybe we could find it, but I know it's helped my cardio.

It helped significantly, because I went through an injury once where I couldn't do any kickboxing or any hitting the bag or anything for quite a while. And whenever I did come back from like three or four months off of that, it would be the first few days were fucking brutal. And it wasn't brutal at all.

And it was because of regular sauna use. Sauna bathing can increase the production of EPO, a hormone that stimulates the production of red blood cells. This can improve endurance performance by increasing the amount of oxygen. Now it says here's how plasma volume when you sit in a sauna you sweat which comes from blood plasma as your blood plasma levels decrease your kidneys release EPO. So how do they detect endogenous versus exogenous EPO? It's similar to how they would detect for bioidentical testosterone, other hormones they look for. Does it look like a endogenous signature? So different compounds, there's

different ways to analyze, but in general, it's going to be either the molecular mass of it or something to that effect would be have a blatant difference between what you would make naturally, endogenously versus exogenous origin, which is the way they make it in a lab, does not necessarily look exactly the same. So even though it's EPO that you're injecting, it's actually like recombinant, AKA made in a lab and not like, it's not like they're literally pulling EPO out of a guy and then giving it to you. It's like grown in a lab essentially.

Right, right. Well, that was one of the things that Jeff Novitski actually said could be an issue, is that it is possible, at least theoretically, to take testosterone from animals. So find a mammal-based testosterone instead of getting it from... So they create it from wild yams, right? Yeah. So wild yams from Mexico, apparently, where they get all the testosterone that when you buy testosterone siphonate or whatever. And soy. Yeah. Soy? Yeah. What do you mean? They use soy to... like the phyto... some of the compounds in the soy as well as the yams look similar

molecularly to the cholesterol that would get basically enzymatically converted to testosterone. So you can just manipulate that slightly to have like a highly reproducible at scale for low-cost way to make hormones and that's how testosterone is made. Oh that's interesting because soy is always associated with like soy boys. Yeah it's associated with high estrogen levels. Yeah I think the two primary ways they synthesize. This episode is brought to you by Squarespace. Did you know that joerogen.com is powered by Squarespace?

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that's optimized for every device. Check out squarespace.com for a free trial or go to squarespace.com slash rogan to save 10% off your first website or domain purchase. Testosterone now is so in yams. So Novitski was saying that with at least in theory a really good scientist could actually extract it from animals and then it would be impossible to differentiate. Yeah I think maybe the first time I came on we talked about the carbon isotope

ratio testing and having a CIR proof testosterone formulation and if athletes are doing that. And I did dig into it after we talked about it a bit more. And it does seem like there's strong evidence that suggests they're aware of it and are trying to find new ways to refine even the carbon isotope ratio testing. Now they're looking at like hydrogen ratios because it's more minute and specific apparently as opposed to with the carbon content. They've seen suspicious testosterone formulations that look similar to endogenous carbon isotope signatures and your diet, even what you ingest can change what your signature is too

because they have to use as like a reference they use for example from your urine they'll find some other compound that is like upstream from testosterone for example and they will use that as a benchmark of like this is what your signature is of the carbon content of sex hormones and then if your testosterone has a different carbon isotope ratio than this, they know that, okay, however you got this in your body is different than the upstream hormone. So through that we can infer that, you know, it's probably of exogenous origin. But if the exogenous origin one looks like the upstream hormones, like you, you would never be able to tell. So it's possible if you were

sophisticated enough to make the exogenous look like the upstream yeah even though you've injected it yeah and if you had like animal-grade testosterone or cholesterol even from like a medical grade you know compound facility or something like you could probably react it down and create like a CIR proof testosterone. God, it would be, it seems like it'd be hard to keep that under wraps for very long without it getting out. Maybe, yeah, but it's like the access to lab equipment and high-level testing is not as, the barrier is a lot lower than it used to be for sure. Like there are, I even have heard of people

paying off WADA accredited labs to get like testing done. Really? Yeah, so they could like assess where they stand in terms of like some of the testing that they would do to see if they'd pop or not. Is that legal? No. So they bribe WADA? They allegedly?

There's WADA accredited labs, not just in the States, but like in other countries where they're a bit more corrupt and you can you know persuade them to test your samples. Oh so you send your piss to Guatemala or somewhere? Yeah yeah. And then they go yeah senior you got problems. Senior just doesn't look good. Yeah but yeah if you do enough homework you can you know develop a biological passport internally with your own team and you know kind know be know your bulletproof rather than just guessing

yeah well there was some concern with Brock Lesnar at one point in time before he tested positive and one of the concerns was that he was testing himself that he had gotten tested like a number of times, which generally you don't do. Now, why was that recorded though? Like that they have his medical records? Because you can just like pay for blood tests and urine analysis. I might be speaking at a turn.

I might be speaking at a school here. I don't remember. I don't remember the thing. But I remember someone who knows things Yeah, you know I'm kind of on the inside so someone someone who knows things on the inside told me dude He got tested like 20 fucking times or something crazy like that during camp. Oh, he was for sure trying to get around them Well, he's also pissed hot. This is when he fought mark hunt and a giant lawsuit involved right now Oh, yeah This is when he fought Mark Hunt and there's a giant lawsuit involved right now. Oh wow.

Yeah, I don't know if that lawsuit has been, if it's still ongoing or what the deal was, but Mark Hunt was furious. Yeah. It was obvious when you look at the guy. I mean he was like 39 years old, 300 pounds, like cutting down to 265. He was fucking huge, man. Yeah, what's even more interesting too is the storage of samples. A lot of sports don't actually do it so with Olympic testing oftentimes

the positive test results come retroactively to years in the past once they've refined the testing and actually are able to detect you know long-term metabolites of ternobol or of that nature. But in a lot of sports, especially in the US for traditional professional sports, they're not storing urine typically. So if you have more refined testing get developed, oftentimes there's no way to actually penalize an athlete who was ahead of the testing curve at the time. And at least from what I've seen, there's a really good paper. One of the guys I know who's on the inside on this,

his name is Alex Kaliyari Turner. He has excellent information and studies on this stuff. But he did a paper that basically outlined how I think 75% of the medalists that have tested positive in the Olympics at the Summer Olympic Games for the past, it don't know, it was like a full decade of, um, analyzation. It was like 75% of them tested years later, not at the actual time of winning their medal. So if they're only being popped, you know, three out of four people are getting popped retroactively

over a half decade later or more based on advancements in testing, you can just imagine how many sports are getting away with passing testing, given that retroactively they're not being tested at all. Right. So it's like if you're ahead of the curve now, there are a lot of sports where as long as you pass the test now, even if what you took had a more refined assay developed, you know, five years from now, they're not going to go get your sample and retry it. Right. That makes sense. But wasn't there a famous Russian wrestler who was popped because they went back and looked at his

old stuff? Like once they developed new testing protocols? Wasn't an Olympic athlete? Yeah. That's why, because Olympic Games, they started storing samples 2004. So they're a bit more rigorous about that. And there are probably some sports that store, but the majority don't. And it's like, you could say it's corruption, or you could say it's people trying to, the sport trying to cover it up.

But I think sometimes it's just like budget constraints too, because it's like, you still to the sport trying to cover it up but I think sometimes it's just like budget constraints to you because it's like you still have to be a profitable enterprise and right you know I don't know how much you can you know scrutinize the economics on something like that you're also managing at scale right like how many athletes are you dealing with yeah how much time do you have to go back and you know review all the different urine samples. And yeah, yeah, no, but it gets crazy because it kind of it highly suggests that in a lot

of sports, as long as you're ahead of the curve, you're probably good. Yeah. Now, obviously, you have to actually beat the test now, which is more and more rigorous by the year, of course. But at least historically, what we've seen is it's the testing usually lags behind the methods that are being developed to get around it. Is there anything right now that is not being tested for that you think is effective? Yeah like in general the most effective stuff is going to be bioidenticals, which are being

tested for, but it's like at the scale, it's kind of up for debate because sometimes they don't test at all. Like, you know, we saw with USATA, they were barely doing adequate in-depth testing for bioidenticals with no EPO testing or HGH testing. So I would say those are probably the go-tos, you know, like EPO especially and HGH. There are other compounds that I think some people think they can get away with that sometimes they do, sometimes they don't. Like I think it's called Trimetazidine. There was some like top-level tennis player who just popped like a week ago or something. And what is that? It's like an angina medication that the entire China Olympic team

got popped for a few years back. Yeah, it was like 23 Chinese swimmers before the Tokyo Olympics got popped using this thing. And then they claimed it was like food contamination or something. And they were like, oh, I guess that's what happened. And then a bunch of those, two of those athletes won medals in the recent Paris Olympics

and 11 of them were allowed to compete still. And- What does it do? It shifts your efficiency of fuel utilization. So basically in general to create ATP, your body would oxidize fatty acids as well as glucose. And in endurance events, which is heavily oxygen sapping, if you can shift, which is what this drug does, it inhibits a process by which your body proportionally oxidizes

more glucose than fatty acids, which is a less oxygen intensive process. So you can basically conserve oxygen proportional to the amount of ATP you're producing. So in an endurance event, if you can have more oxygen for less cost internally, then it's highly performance enhancing. Or it should be, you know, it's kind of speculative as to if it's actually performance enhancing, but it's kind of a weird coincidence how many people have popped for this drug. Oh by the way you said the first time I was here you said the Russian Olympics the only people who didn't pop were the figure skaters. Yeah. Yeah there was a

Russian figure skaters 15 who was on this angina medication. Well that kind of makes sense right because one thing you would want is more oxygen and endurance when you're figure skating. It's pretty cardio intensive when you're spinning around and flying around. Yeah. Yeah. Oh, for sure. But they said that steroids, they found gross motor skills.

He's so loud, dude. You can nudge him, keep him from fucking snoring so loud. But they found that testosterone and things things along those lines like actual steroids, it was not good to be stronger as a figure skater that it didn't enhance. But that was Gregory, whatever his name was from Icarus. Yeah, yeah. And like I could see obviously the compound selection will differ greatly depending on what sport is, you know know there are some sports where you

know being heavier is gonna be problematic right and you might you know want something that could enhance I don't know your cognitive capacity or whatever it may be or like slow down your heart rate for example for archery or right and different applications for sure like beta blockers yeah like for archery for example things like propranolol like highly effective as well as for you know public speaking, playing piano publicly. I think there's like famous pianists who use this drug too. Yeah I've heard of people using beta blockers. Snipers too.

Really? Yeah. Makes sense right? Yeah. Just dropping that anxiety response. Yeah. And if it crosses the blood brain barrier like propranolol does, it actually calms you down very significantly. It's not just about lowering the heart rate. It also like de-stresses you. Like it's an anti-anxiety drug essentially. Wow. Yeah. You've never tried it? No. For archery? No. I'd be wondering if it was a... I thought about doing it once. I even asked my doctor about it and he was gonna get it for me,

but I was like, I don't wanna cheat. Like half of the bow hunting thing is about being able to keep your shit together. And if you could just do it. Like if I could just shoot at a deer the way I'd shoot at a target, I don't think it would be the same. Yeah, fair enough.

It's like part of it is like... You Yeah, fair enough. Yeah, it's like part of it is a purist Yeah in that regard because part of it is the discipline of managing your mind. Yeah, that's what I like about it Hmm, I like that. It's hard to do. Yeah, I don't want it to be easier You know, it's fucking hard to do and that's literally why I like it Like if I can take a drug that would make it easier to do. I don't think I would like it I'm very effective right now. I'm very I'm real successful at bow hunting, you know relatively for like it's it non If like I go to a lot of really great places to hunt because I have money. I'm fortunate but

Relatively speaking bow hunting is not a successful endeavor It's like maybe 10% of the hunts like but people get tags Maybe probably less in most places. Hmm actually Harvest an animal how often do you do it? I do it twice a year I go on a big elk hunt and I do like a bunch of pig hunts and stuff like that in between that maybe one deer hunt and it's like how intensive of a prep is it and like the whole process of doing the trip is it like a multi-day thing? Yeah I go for like a week. The really intensive part though is the

preparation for it and I was gonna tell you about this too because I actually fucked my body up getting ready for this one. So when hunting season approaches for like three months out of hunting season approaches for like three months out of hunting season, I ramp up all my cardio and all my bow hunt, my archery. So I practice in my backyard, I practice archery. I'm shooting at 85 yards. I shoot an 84 pound bow and I might shoot it 100 times a day. So I'm pulling 80 pounds, 84 pounds, a hundred times in a day. And I'm doing it day after day after day after day. I've do it five, six days a week. So I was developing like severe pain in my lower back on my right side

that led to like sciatica. And I was also developing some severe neck pain on my right side. So this is, it's all, it's really an unbalanced thing, right? Because I really should draw something back with my, I should probably like at least draw back my bow with my left hand as many times I draw back with my right, but I don't. So you draw back. So I'm pulling it's 84 pounds to pull it back. It's at least for the beginning of the cycle and then the cams rotate over and

it significantly lowers. Like the holding weight is, I think my holding weight is like 20% 20 or 25% of the actual weight of the bow. But what happens is as you're pulling back and you lock it in place, the way archery works is you want to what's called pull at the wall, right? So where the string hits the end, where it can't pull anymore on a compound bow, I'm pulling hard against that wall so I'm steady, right? And then I'm trying to relax this shoulder and pull, and I'm stabilizing everything with this lower back, with my lower back muscle.

So on my right side, it was just getting locked up, like painful and stiff and sore Like hurt even when I walk and I would just keep going Do it for hours three hours a day Just hours and hours and hours and I just developed a real problem To the point where like when I was the last trip when I was going up hills my my hips were getting numb Like my glutes weren't firing. I was getting sciatic pain It's pretty bad So I knew after hunting season was over. I was getting sciatic pain. It was pretty bad.

So I knew after hunting season was over, I was going to have to dress it. So I got some stem cell shots, which definitely helped. I started doing a lot of stretching, no archery for a couple months, a lot of like hard foam. Like it's, I have a, from Elite Flexibility, they make like a PVC roller with like a very thin layer. So it's very hard. And I was doing a lot of rolling, rolling in the sauna, cold plunge, sauna, stretching, and it was getting a little better slowly, but it was brutal. Like it was taking a long time to recover. And then I started doing this thing called New Fit. And what New Fit is, is electrical

muscular stimulation while you're going through exercise routines. And so they slap these electro pads all over your muscles and fully contract you and then you go through exercises while you're doing it. And it's like significantly increased my rehabilitation. I've only been doing it for a few weeks too. I've only been doing it for like three weeks. All my back pain's gone, mobility's back, no more sciatica at all, no issues at all, and everything is like much looser. It's like coming back.

So do you find that more effective than stem cells? No, I think it's the combination of things. It's very hard to tell like what is actually working, but when you add one thing and and then all of a sudden you get a significant response, I'm assuming that this new fit thing is having at least responsible for, I mean there's some sort of synergistic effect, right? Because I'm using peptides, I got this, like I said, I got stem cells shot into it. So this is like a, and it takes a while for the stem cells to take place.

I'm sure that's part of it. But then this new fit thing is pretty significant. So I've been doing that quite a lot. I've been doing that four days a week and it's, it's legit, man. It's really legit. I know Mike Tyson was using that when he was preparing for the fight with Jake Paul. So I know a lot of other athletes use it. A lot of people use it for rehabilitation. It's like it really reduces the amount of time that you have to recover from like surgeries and injuries and stuff like that. What else are you using now as part of your? Nothing new. Nothing new. Still BPC 157, TB 500, you know, Ipamoral and stuff like that.

Like the same stuff that I've always used before. This is the only thing that I've done that's really new, this new fit. Have you ever seen it before? See if you can find like some examples of, cause like I said, Tyson was using it. So it's no more time intensive because it's during training. So what you're doing is, so I'm doing it for rehabilitation

So so this is what it looks like so they slap these electrodes to you So your muscles are just like locked up depending on how much you can tolerate You know so I get them to crank that fucker up and when you're doing it your muscles are like completely Flexed through the whole thing. It's like, it's kind of painful. And then while you're doing that, you're going through all these different exercises. Okay. So they're like kind of rehabilitative type exercises as opposed to the actual workout that you'd be doing. For me, what I'm doing is rehabilitative, but other people do it for hypertrophy and

bodybuilders do it apparently to like say if you've got like trap issues like you don't like you need to like have one area where you want to improve they're slapping it to that area and then doing all these exercises. An entrepreneur that I'm friends with asked me what I thought about it as like a replacement for exercise. Oh, just a replacement? Yeah. And it was like such like a rich person question. Like, how do I not go to the gym and still like go to the gym? There was a place in Boston when I lived there in the 80s that had

that. I forget what it was called, but you would basically go there and their claim was they would get you, you'd have was they would get you you'd have a six-pack you get jacked and all you have to do is lay there and lay there and they put these electrodes on you just have you ever seen those like uh ancient uh like belly shaking things for like women to lose like back in the 40s yeah just sit there shaking back and forth no i'm sure it's more effective than that, obviously. Yeah. Which did nothing.

But I don't think it's a replacement. And I would imagine, I would speculate, that the time it would take to stimulate yourself, if it's for hypertrophy, if you just worked out more, you'd probably get better results. Perhaps. The idea is that it's enhancing you past what you would normally get because you're in this very unique state of constant contraction. So there's no contract, relax,

contract, relax. You are just contracted. You're just... and then you're going through all these exercises. So you have to kind of force your way through the exercises while you're contracted It's kind of difficult. I think if you're injured it probably has a lot of viability But I would be highly suspect of it being used for like a guy trying to break a plateau Who's a veteran lifter for example, right? Right? Right? Yeah, I would agree and no bodybuilders. I know Attribute any success to something like this, right, right. Yeah, I would agree and no bodybuilders. I know Attribute any success to something like this, right? Well, this guy was telling me that some bodybuilders use to target areas that they like of having difficulty Make maybe your calves. Yeah, like people have a difficult time growing calf muscles most uh,

Biggest nuisance of a body part genetically. It's calf. We'll get john jones. That's the craziest thing Yeah, like one of the best kickers in the sport of a body part genetically. It's cab. We'll get John Jones. That's the craziest thing. Yeah. Like one of the best kickers in the sport. No calves. They're like non-existent. Yeah, it's so genetically predetermined seemingly that you'll have guys who are top Olympia caliber bodybuilders and if they haven't had calves

for their whole career, they don't suddenly develop them even though they obviously know how to train and then people will shit on them and say, you have no calves, bro, like, learn how to train. It's like, this is my job. Like, do you think I don't know what to do with fucking calf raise? But they just won't grow?

Yeah, like, proportionally so. They lag behind significantly, and it's pretty obvious when somebody has a lagging body part when they're on stage. But it is like a very, very difficult area to locally you know if you don't have the genetics for it and the muscle bellies it's very difficult to make a bad looking calf look good it's weird because you gotta go like John where everything else is pretty big you know he's got big chest big arms

this is not to say don't train calves because people get all riled up about you know skipping leg days and stuff. Well especially for performance you know like you certainly need strong calf muscles for performance so you can make them stronger they just don't necessarily get aesthetically pleasing. Yeah there's definitely ways to optimally train them that maybe not everyone does but in general like it seems like if they're lagging behind for you it's it's pretty difficult to bring them up. That's weird what a weird body part. Yeah yeah it's like one of the worst offenders. Is there anything else like that any other body parts that are like notoriously difficult

to train? That's a good question. Probably there's probably something that I'm not thinking of. I don't know. Neck maybe, but that's pretty easy to train. Actually. It's just not many people do it. Well, neck, you got to be careful though. It was an, I, you know, I use an iron neck, which I really believe in. It's like the only thing that I've ever done that strengthened my neck and not

caused me any neck problems. Whereas I think those other ones, like know those things where you put like the leather helmet on with the chain I think that's an unusual Movement for your neck and I think you could probably get away with I know a lot of wrestlers and including Mike Tyson Who fucked their neck up from neck bridges. Have you seen the f1 drivers? Workout routines. No, dude pull up. Oh, they would have to do that. Oh, yeah That's like what they do for their training mostly seemingly. Oh, you have to they're just saying there was like a giant fucking contraption their head Like an iron neck. Yeah. Yeah, but it's like it seems even more intensive like it's uh,

Like an iron neck. Yeah. Yeah, but it's like it seems even more intensive like it's uh, Yeah, but see what i'm saying is they're not bending the neck right so what they're doing is They're forcing their muscles to stabilize the neck as they're facing resistance, right? Yeah But what they're not doing is bending all the way down and bending all the way up with weight Which I think is what's unusual and I think that's just a weird strain on the discs. And with a lot of guys, especially wrestlers, where they get strained from is like someone grabbing them with a collar tie and like pulling their head down and they get it real low and then they're resisting that

and you can fuck your neck up that way or fighting off a guillotine or a Darce choke or a triangle where you're like really fucked up and distorted you're resisting against it you can fuck your neck up. So what the iron neck does that I really like is you're rotating and you can adjust the resistance on the rotation so you have this halo you put it on your head you pump it like a Reebok pump and if like form fits to your head you put a on your head, you pump it like a Reebok pump, and if like form fits to your head, you put a chin strap on, and then you back up.

And so it's got a bungee cord, so a very stiff rubber cord, and as you're pulling back, you have a lot of resistance this way. And then you could rotate, and then on the rotation, you can adjust the resistance, you can make it more difficult. But you're never doing any of this stuff Hmm, and I think this stuff is where at least from what I've seen people get hurt Especially neck bridges neck bridges where your whole body Oh, I can imagine you're doing all this and you're rolling like Tyson you ever seen Tyson's neck bridge routine when he was younger No, well Tyson had a 20 inch neck

Yeah, 20 inches now crazy that is his neck would start at the top of his head when he was young I Mean he had a fucking massive neck But it's one of the reasons why he was also so good at taking a punch because his head didn't snap around like Look out look at his neck. He's young that neck is crazy. Dude. That's like crazy Parallel with his head yeah like see look good. This is what he would do every day in training. Holy shit that looks yeah This is wrestler bridge does strengthen your neck, but at a cost and I don't think it's at a cost for everybody I think it probably can be done safely But I think you probably have to scale up very slowly and very carefully and make sure that you have the supporting tissue and strength Around that to not compromise your discs

You know when you're in these reared Positions like you're never supposed to have all you know at least bridging with like 60% of your weight Sideways on your neck like this and then roll it over the side and then roll it over the side While you're putting all the weight on the back your head or on your forehead. That's just crazy. That's yeah Oh, yeah, I would that look fucking sketch, dude Well Mike had to get neck surgery yoel Romero Like I said had his whole neck fused his neck doesn't ever see him run No, but it probably looks in hilarious see you find the video yoel Romero sprinting. It's nuts. His neck doesn't move. It's like this

Like a robot like a Terminator. But it's also why you all can take crazy punishment. Like y'all got head kicked once by I think it was Derek Brunson head kicked him and he didn't even move. Like look at him run. So his neck doesn't move. His entire neck is completely fused and he has this giant scar on the back of his neck. He is a freak though, dude. Did you ever get the impression that if he just like threw himself into the fire more and fights, he probably would have won a lot more.

I don't know. I don't know if you can keep that kind of muscle mass and have the kind of cardio that you need to throw yourself into the fire more. Cause it was always, it was kind of hard to tell if he was gassed sometimes. Right. And then he would all of a sudden burst out. Exactly. Like that Costa Romero fight is still to this day, one of my favorite fights ever.

And I don't know, man, like it almost, a lot of the Romero fights, it seems like if he just started swinging and going in there that he might be able to take out a lot of dudes that he just let go to decision perhaps But you have to like know how much gas you have in the tank and only he knows and that style that he has Is a style for someone who's very explosive It's very smart because you don't just explode and keep going you won't last you last two minutes, and then you'd be dead Yeah So what he does is like con it he looks like so

Relaxed and then he explodes on you. And when he explodes on people, they don't see it coming because he's lulled you into this false sense of security by this slower speed that he moves at. Like did you ever see his knockout of Chris Weidman? Probably. That's the perfect example of that. He caught Chris Weidman with a flying knee

as Chris Weidman was coming in for a takedown. He just like lulled him into like this is the speed we're moving at We're gonna move at this speed. This is how we're fighting. Oh, I'm dodging your punches. Oh, I'm done Ah out of nowhere BAM. He hits with his flying knee and just destroys his head I mean, it was one of the most brutal watch this So see how he like moved boom Yeah, I mean literally his whole body fight Back it up again so we can see that one more time

Like before it happens So they're fighting He's got him on the ground Oh so here it is So you see how he moves, he's not, boom! He just leaps into him. This is like a highlight thing, it's not showing the whole

Exchange but in the fight, you know, Weidman's very aggressive very tough And you know pushing a pace trying to get the takedowns Weidman likes to push a strong pace and really wear on guys and yo Well, just was like kind of like move and relax But and then out of nowhere he would just blow on you and that's what he did with Adesanya to like that was a very boring fight because Adesanya's Like I see your fucking game. I'm gonna stay out here and wait for you to charge in on me I'm gonna counter-attack and Yoel was like come on Come fight me and he's like, uh, I know what you're doing Cuz he he exploded one time and caught Izzy with a left hand like a powerful left hand is he's like, oh Jesus Christ

This guy moves so fucking fast when he wants to but he can't really fight like that for five minutes for five rounds You can't really just keep exploding That's like the problem with a guy like Conor McGregor like Conor McGregor was lethal for one or two rounds But then you get into the third fourth and fifth is there's so much fast twitch muscle fiber engagement. There's so much explosion It's like constant sprinting. It has he he ever knocked out a guy after round two even? That's a good question. I don't know. I mean, he certainly could, right? I mean, he's not out of shape. I remember what you're saying though. It was like the later rounds. It was so blatant. He was gassed. Well, he was so fast in the first couple of rounds. That was the thing. It's like if he didn't

Fucking tune you up in those first couple rounds if you were like Nate Diaz some indestructible zombie And then you get into the later rounds and you're fucking tight Like how's this guy still here and then Nate is just like slapping you and beat you up and Nate can push that 50% pace forever. Yeah him and his brother were very good at that. They didn't really explode. They just would like touch you. They would just touch you all the time. And you can't breathe because you don't have the time to relax, right?

So if he's constantly hitting you with punches that aren't that hard, you're like, "'cause you're always like, "'cause you don't know if these punches are gonna be hard." And then occasionally would mix them up with like really hard shots.

And so you always have to be ready for the hard shot so you never get to breathe you never get to relax so you're constantly on edge and you just get worn out and he's relaxed because he's just hitting you and touching you and he's talking shit to you what bitch what bitch what's going on bitch and you keep hitting you this like 50% like literally like this not really trying to hurt you at all Just just constantly making you tense up and just drain your gas tank They seem relentless. Oh, dude. Well his cardio Nick Diaz, especially his cardio was Insanity he swam back from Alcatraz

He did it on five different occasions. In the ocean with great white sharks, what is it, like a mile and a half or something like that? In the fucking freezing cold Pacific Northwest ocean? I don't know. How far is Alcatraz, how far is this swim? They used to think you couldn't do it. They used to think no one could survive it. So that's why they put Alcatraz there.

They put a prison out there, they're fucked. But a couple of guys did escape and they don't know what happened to them They found their clothes at the beach and there's speculation that at least one guy survived it, but how are you gonna train? You can't train to swim and then you're gonna just swim for a mile and a half. Yeah, you're not gonna make it I don't know. What's car cardio? Regiments in prison. I would have no idea I mean you could do cardio, but you're not gonna recreate swimming without swimming the resistance the current like all of it And temperature regulation yeah

You're just not gonna be able to recreate that unless you're doing it They're not gonna let you practice like guys just gonna do laughs around Alcatraz like the fuck out of here How far is it Jamie mile and a half so a mile and a half in the fucking ocean With sharks when was that these prisoners escaped? Like was this decades ago was a Clint Eastwood movie escape from Alcatraz No, there's a movie about the actual escape from Alcatraz these guys had made a paper mache model of their face I like put it like with this put some pillows and shit and threw a blanket over it. And the guards, when they would go to check,

thought these guys were still in their bed. Meanwhile, they had tunneled a hole through the wall of the cell. 1979 film Escape from Alcatraz presented inconclusive conclusions, what does that mean? On one of the island's enduring mysteries, told the true story of three men, Frank Morris and the brothers Clarence and John Algen, Al Anglin, who made it out of the prison in June of 1962 were never seen again. Nobody knows for sure whether they made good on their escape or drowned in the

attempt. True stories like that and others embellish tales of man-eating sharks and killer currents spread by prison guards as a deterrent contributed to the mythology of unassailable Alcatraz and the impossible swim Well, it's definitely not impossible because Nick Diaz done it But people do it all the time now. You know it's like an endurance thing that people constantly do know someone did 979 times Constantly do know someone did a nine hundred seventy nine times Oh my god, what a fucking psycho

979 times that is rolling the dice on sharks, bro. Yeah, what happens when you? like Alcatraz is Still operating. No, no, no, okay. No, it wasn't operating. Oh, it's like a tourist attraction Yeah, when I was a kid we went to visit it and with school they took when I lived in San Francisco They took us to Alcatraz our field trip was pretty cool You had to be in these prisons where all these people used to get it's very weird. Why does shut down? I don't know it's a good question. Why they shut out go try us down. Maybe when they figured out people could swim it Yeah, I mean It's not unassailable. It's gotta take a long time though like how in a mile and a half in the ocean

How long does that take some people think it was because those guys got away, but it was because it was too expensive No, can you operate that makes sense right you gotta get all supplies and out there by boat by ferry? I don't even think they had that many prisoners there Hmm like you know, but they had like super dangerous ones there right wasn't that the whole idea was all murderers I Think it was like a like super Maximum security like for the biggest psychos. No you put them on Alcatraz. Yeah, what was that movie? I think Sean Connery movie as well. Yeah Yeah, I think yeah. Yeah, I think that was about it, too

Yeah, but you know guys who have extreme cardio like that. That's a real weapon like like power is important in the what's always important, but Cardio is one of the most important things because you Because when you get tired, you don't think right. You don't make good decisions. And then you're just not as effective. You're not going to scramble out of positions. You're going to relax a little, try to catch your breath. Like, if you get taken down, you're

not going to completely exert. Chuck Liddell said this to me once. He said, when guys get taken down, they not going to like completely exert. Chuck Liddell said this to me once he said when guys get taken down they accept the take down and the thing is they get taken down and then they try to work their way back up to their feet. He goes I never did that when I got taken down the moment my back touched the ground it was like hot lava and I just exploded immediately I never let them hold me and that was the key to never getting taken down and held down. Is that the moment, he's a really good wrestler as well, obviously, but the moment someone

would take him down, he would never accept it. He would just, some guys accept it like fuck, I gotta take it down. All right, you know, overhook, underhook, you know, like control posture, work my full guard, try to get back up, try to buy time where I have enough energy to escape and figure out am I gonna try to sweep him am I gonna You know am I gonna try to pummel and and try to get back up to my feet Am I gonna try to scoot back to the cage bunch of different strategies to try to get back up But the thing is like when you're tired you'll accept that takedown

Yeah, and when you see guys accept the takedown just pull full guard like that guy's fucking tired You know it was like the recent Olivera fight it was like tough to watch some of the parts where it was just like oh, it's you know You're on the ground now and you're fucked. Yeah. Yeah. Well that fight was crazy, huh? Yeah Michael Chandler almost fucking had him in that fifth round. Yeah, almost had him I mean what a relentless motherfucker that guy is Yeah, he's getting his ass kicked for four rounds and then finally almost fucks him up Yeah, yeah, it's a crazy when it comes down to like, you know do or die mode How many times it almost turns around?

well, it's also crazy that a guy like him who is pretty heavily muscled and Is just such a fucking training machine that he has that ultimate gas tank even in the fifth round just explode and like in the fifth round he was going hard which is why I always thought he was a super dangerous fight for Connor yeah he almost seems like a better cardio like Sean Shirk or something right well Sean Shirk was one of the first guys who really did have crazy cardio did you yeah I thought he was one of the first guys who really did have crazy cardio. Did he?

Yeah. I thought he was so. For the time. He was a fitness fanatic, like a conditioning fanatic. But like so was, there was a few guys, like Rich Franklin was like a fitness fanatic too. Like they dedicated a significant amount of their time just to strength and conditioning.

So they had this like ultimate gas tank. But like with Rich Franklin, the problem was his skill level was never gonna compete with Anderson Silva. Anderson Silva was just a god at the time. I mean in his prime, he was like 34 years old. He was fucking unstoppable. He was just so ugly. Yeah, he has the litacism differential between everyone and him was like obscene. It was skill too. He had the ability to let punches get right here and he would just move his head slightly and then bang! Crack you. All your momentum is coming in and he would counter you.

He was just so skillful. He was like a computer. The first minute of the round, first fight, like first round of the fight, you would see him moving around and just like trying things on you and just sort of downloading your movements and what you're capable of. He would see you swing like, okay, I got that. Okay, I'll do a little of this. I'll kick him a couple of times.

And then by the end of the round, he's like, okay, motherfucker. And then you'd see him like, like the Yushin Okami fight is a great example of that. By the end of the first round, he head kicks Okami and drops him. He just starts tuning him up. He just, he gets, he gets what you can do. He's like, you can't do it. I do. And then he just starts turning it on.

Yeah. Some of those fights back in the day just felt like a ticking time bomb for whoever he was facing. Yeah. People forget the thing about fighters when they fight past their prime As you get these guys like Anderson that fight into their 40s and you remember them from their their later fights Yeah, don't remember them when they were unstoppable like when Anderson was in his prime He's one of the greatest fighters that's ever lived. Oh, yeah for sure. Have you seen that uh

UFC interview where they like Accidentally showed I think it was like HGH in the background? Yes! He opened his fridge! What are you eating? Oh, I'm eating growth! Yeah.

He's popped for some dumb shit too, if I recall correctly. Well did you ever see his coach? His weightlifting coach? Probably when I was looking into it, but I'm assuming he's yoked out of his fucking mind. The dude was like 65 years old and built like Joel Romero. Oh my god. See if you can find Anderson Silva's strength and conditioning coach. I mean, there was no way. There's just no way. That guy knows what to take.

Yeah. There's no way. He was in his 60s. Fucking jacked. I mean, just super jacked. Like, that's him. Oh, Jesus. Yeah. 60s fucking jacked. I mean just super jacked like that's him. Oh Yeah It's a perfect picture I Mean look at that dude that dudes in his 60s mean muggin. Yeah Tainted supplements likely cause a failed test not what's in my fridge Tainted supplements likely cause a failed test not what's in my fridge Look at the size that guy in his 60s. So obviously he knows what to take. Yeah that guy knows some stuff

so Chandler you said good match for Connor. Is that ever happening or I don't know if Connor's ever gonna fight again What's happening with his uh, he just got like The civil suit. Yeah or whatever and he's being dropped by all his yeah companies or something yeah you know I don't know the real details of that case I know his version of it and her version of it and what played out in the court but the reality is that guy's partying and he's partying real hard and he talked about it in the in the court case You know, he's talking about cocaine like there

That was the whole thing that we're all doing cocaine and we're fucking dude some of his interviews you can tell he is out of it Allegedly he seems at least excited dude Have you seen the Jake Gyllenhaal and Connor interview for Roadhouse and he's just fucking tweaking the whole time He seems like it's just like yeah, I can't imagine he wasn't thinking. What are you doing, dude? Right? Yeah, right You know, it's funny Shane Gillis has a great bit about Conor McGregor and Roadhouse He goes Connor Gregor basically played a coked out Conor Shane does like a Connor impression, so it's fucking hilarious. He's like, ah!

I mean, he likes Coke. But I think there's another issue to talk about, and that is that a lot of fighters, when they've sustained a significant amount of damage over the course of their career, and there's no way to not get that, right? We've all seen Connor get beat up and knocked out. We've seen Connor's sparring footage. He spars pro boxers. He's sparring elite fighters.

You're getting hit in the head a lot, and a lot of fighters, especially towards the end of their career, turn to drugs. And I think there's probably like a constant state of discomfort that they live in, where their dopamine levels are all fucked up, their cortisol levels are all fucked up, their bodies just, you're not supposed to get punched

in the head a thousand times a year. It's just not supposed to happen, and that's the reality of consistent training. So if you think about consistent training, like say you and me are sparring, and we meet at the gym three times a week and we spar three times a week and let's say we spar five rounds three times a week. Five rounds of five minutes each

you might hit me 15, 20 times a round and then we're doing that three times a week and we're doing that over and over and over again. And it's not even, this is a thing people say, oh you spar light, sure, sure, sparring light is important. But subconcussive trauma to the head is what causes soccer players to get CTE. Now soccer players are getting CTE from a soccer ball. I bounced a soccer ball, I played soccer when I was a kid.

That doesn't hurt. But that, that thump, that's giving you CTE from a soccer ball. I bounced a soccer ball. I played soccer when I was a kid. That doesn't hurt. But that, that thump, that's giving you CTE. People who ride jet skis get CTE. Do you know that? My friend Mark Gordon, who is an expert in traumatic brain injury, and he works at the Wounded Warrior Foundation, I think he works with them,

Angel Warrior Foundation. He works with a Wounded Warrior Foundation, I think he works with them, but he works, oh, Angel Warrior Foundation. He works with a lot of veterans that suffer from CTE and uses a lot of hormone replacement to help them, because a lot of it is damage to the pituitary gland, your endocrine system gets fucked up from, you know, breaches, you know, explosions, blown up in IEDs, all those kind of things. Those guys are fucked. The inside of their brain is fucked.

And there's a bunch of different therapies they apply to that, but the bottom line is that it's not just getting knocked out. It's just getting thumped a lot. Just thumped and trained. So if we're sparring, we're friends, if we're sparring, I wouldn't hit you hard. I'd hit you like that.

I wouldn't try to kill you. I'd hit you like that. I wouldn't I wouldn't try to kill you I hit you like that, but that over and over again You're gonna get brain damage fact No, if ands or buts about it You're gonna get brain damage and if you're doing that over the course of a 10 15 year career Think about all those camps all those, all those times you sparred. And not just sparred that way, how many collisions, I've been, you know how many times I've been

collided with doing jiu jitsu? You accidentally butt heads, you accidentally take a knee to the head, you accidentally take an elbow to the head, it's constant. So you've got consistent trauma to your fucking dome over and over and over again, and then you get a little bit of coke little bit of coke And you're feeling good again I bet he I bet you know you get addicted to it and the guy obviously likes extreme things right? Which is why such a great fighter. They're wild people. It's like John Jones like cocaine, too They're fucking wild people they want to fight. You, they want to fight in a cage for a living. That's how they literally feed themselves by beating the fuck out of skilled

people. Yeah, I can imagine someone like the brain cell death that literally occurs could almost result in a perpetual state of you now need drugs to achieve like baseline even to feel normal. Yeah, there's a drug I didn't mention earlier, but it's worth mentioning. You said what's not being tested for that's useful. In fighters, something called cerebral lysine is used to offset brain damage after fights and not being tested for by water yet.

How does it work? It's like one of the only sources of active NGF and BDNF that you can actually get an effect out of seemingly so like brain derived Free up with the NF sense for but it's something that could be Basically Grow new brain cells essentially. Whoa. Yeah, or offset deterioration as well during after fighting Why would you not let people take that that seems like that should be standard that should be given to everybody like vitamins

Yeah, yeah, it's a the pipeline of it getting through a clinical like getting a clinical application It's still in experimental phases So I could see why it hasn't been getting widespread recognition and for all we know it's not gonna not going to prove to be super effective, but at least anecdotally, from people I know who have used it, highly effective for neurogenesis. Yeah, what about somebody who doesn't have brain damage, just wants to get really smart? Yeah, tough call.

I think that might work. Yeah, a lot of people, even nowadays, are exposing themselves to things that make them stupider, too. So it might even become an adjunct kind of like preventative therapy. Right. Yeah, sure. And it's like sometimes not even purposefully that you're doing things that make you stupider. It's just like...

Like what kind of things would you describe? I don't know, like if you have kids you're never getting good sleep or you're somebody who's constantly on stimulants, which you could argue is, you know, bad lifestyle or whatever, but yeah, there are certain things that are going to kill brain cells and just aging in general. Have you seen the studies on creatine and performance with sleep deprivation? Very interesting. Another thing that not being tested for, which I don't think it should be, but like creatine at adequate doses, interestingly for years we've all been told take your five grams and you're good but what's often not talked about is the fact that that dosage is not going to be

widespread the optimal one for every single person you will likely achieve muscle saturation with that dose but it doesn't mean you're going to get the full suite of benefits depending on your genetics how much you weigh, muscle mass, metabolism. So five grams for a 140 pound person versus a 240 pound person. Yeah. So like some studies have found increased benefits up to like 20 grams a day. Yeah. And if your GI can tolerate it, like could be worth trying to see if you get an effect

out of 10 grams and then elevate from there. Do you take it? Oh yeah. I take in gummy form. That's hard to get an adequate dose so how is that well how many gummies you need to take to get five take six it says take three I take six well let's see what the dose is go to try create okay so I'm taking seven eight so some of the most recent studies are in like elderly women taking 20 grams. Whoa Yeah, I'll start doing that

Start with like 10. See if you're not all right. I have no problem with creatine Okay, I used to I used to think it made my face fat, but I think I was just eating I think one of the problems with gummies is often times they're less likely to meet label claims So really I don't know if that's like a third party rigorously tested product or not, but something to be cautious of. Right, and then there's two types, right? There's creatine monohydrate,

and then there's another creatine, what is the other one? There's different formats, but some are like HCL is essentially just bound to HCL instead of monohydrate, which could be more tolerable for somebody who gets GI instead of monohydrate, which could be more tolerable for somebody who gets GI distress from monohydrate, thought to be, you know, water solubility and other things. But in general, monohydrate is the one that has the most literature supporting it is tried and true is cheaper, easier to access.

Isn't there some other stuff H something that you take in combination with it? BTA and HCl maybe HMN HMB HMB. Yeah, that's it. What is that? That's I believe a metabolite of leucine which is like very Basically stimulates mTOR so could be useful for I think people who are not getting a sufficient amount of protein in their diet and need Something to stimulate mTOR for adequate muscle protein synthesis So like I don't know older people who don't get enough protein for example, right? It has shown efficacy it's just the situations and Contextually where it is the most effective is gonna be somebody who is not eating enough protein But it's like how many people are eating enough protein as well, right? Yeah, it's

Some studies have found that you know upwards of one gram per pound of body weight per day could be Beneficial and most people aren't getting that my diet is almost entirely protein. Yeah Yeah, my diet is mostly pretty fucking hard to get your body weight and protein per day. If you're not supplementing with protein, you're just eating meat and like animal derived sources. And then even harder if you're a vegetarian too. If you're just eating meat and animal derived sources, it's hard for I think for a lot of people to get high quality. Just if you're going to eat over, I don't know, a pound and a half to two pounds of meat a day, like you could hit your needs pretty easily. Oh, I do that easy.

Yeah, but that's not like a typical person, I would say. That's most, most of my meals are meat. Like my breakfast today, I ate like a pound of elk. Yeah, that was my breakfast. So what I do is I meal prep for the week on Sunday. So I'll take out of my freezer, I take a bunch of elk steaks, and I put them on the week on Sunday. So I'll take out of my freezer I take a bunch of elk steaks and I put them on the Traeger I slow cook them at like 265 degrees until I get them to the proper internal temperature and then I see room I cut them up and then I put them in

Like a glass container and put them in my refrigerator and then I pull it out whenever I want to eat So you have how much meat per day? refrigerator and then I pull it out whenever I want to eat. So you have how much meat per day? Multiple pounds. Multiple? Cooked weight? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Wow.

Yeah. I probably eat at least three pounds of meat a day. Yeah. You might be getting, I forget how many pounds of meat you need to saturate creatine stores or at least the equivalent to five grams, but you'd probably still benefit from trying supplementing more. I do take those gummies. Like I said, I take six of those a day.

But maybe I get the powder, bro. I'm going to take 20 gummies. See what happens. We'll see what happens. Half your calories, gummies, and rest meat. Yeah, let's see what's up. They don't seem to make you upset my stomach at all. It makes you wonder if there's actually creatine in it then.

Wow. I've never had upset stomach from creatine they're taking in the past But I'm taking it now more consistently that I've ever taken it before because with the gummies. It's so easy I keep it in the gym. I just bust it open. Yeah eat some of them. Yeah. Yeah, it's a taste good, too One of the most slept on supplements for sure I think I kind of got a I don't know, like not as much attention as it deserves. Maybe more recently it's gotten a bit more hype because of some of the literature around its cognitive effects and whatnot, but it's like super useful for a myriad of

things. What is the mechanism for it giving you a cognitive enhancing benefit? I think it's thought to be like local energy production in the brain. So some people genetically or as they age or what have you have Deficiencies in the capacity to produce ATP and if you can like backfill it with like a readily available source of phosphocreatine then you could Basically get it to baseline of where it should be It makes you wonder like people that are on a vegan diet, like what are their creatine levels like?

Oh, not good enough for sure. There's no way, right? Oh, it's impossible. Even if you're somebody who eats a lot of meat, you might think you're good, but unless you're eating multiple pounds a day, it's unlikely that you've saturated stores. Well, that's like one of the more insidious things

about these people that are Prostitizers who are trying to get people to become vegan and they'll one of the things that they say is that it'll improve your athletic Performance which is like straight horse shit. I don't know of any elite athlete at the very top of any sport That's a vegan. Do you? No, I know some IFBB pros who are vegan, but they do a lot to optimize their diets that requires like special protein supplements and this and that. And a massive amount of steroids. Yeah, a lot of them are dope too. Yeah, that helps. Yeah, there are definitely successful, like people who thrive, I think, doing vegan diets, but oftentimes

it is more meticulous in the planning needed to like actually make it so you could thrive on it, as opposed to like, if you're eating enough red meat and whatnot, like you sort of you can be stupid and still cover your bases. Right. Yeah. So the difference between one thing is like if someone say, well, a pound of broccoli will equal X amount of steak in terms of the amount of protein, but it's not the same bioavailability. Yeah, like the amino acid composition is not going to be the same and it might not even

stimulate muscle protein synthesis to the capacity that is needed to actually be anabolic. So like some vegans, I would assume, might actually benefit from supplementing with like essential amino acids on top of their meals just because they're not hitting a leucine threshold. Right. And that's where like an HMB also could maybe have use as well.

And is creatine, is it sourced in a vegan way, or is any of it derived from animal sources? That's a good question. I'm not sure. But if you can make testosterone from soy, right, I think creatine you'd probably get. It's pretty crazy what they can synthesize. Oh, dude, yeah.

You would never think that's where you get it from, right? Yeah, well, it just takes so many brilliant people working in so many different capacities to create like all the stuff that we have available Right now. Yeah, like some dude like took a fucking yam is like Hey, these chemicals look similar to these chemicals that we like making our balls Like yeah, tweak it and like make it let's sell it to people as testosterone. Yeah, I don't even know and it works Yeah, that's what's nuts. It's like super effective. Yeah. Yeah, it's very strange that it's also kind of Derided that like people like look down upon it. Like why would you look down upon anything? Especially as you're an older person Why would you look down upon anything? It's gonna make you feel better. Yeah. No, I think

Why would you look down upon anything that's gonna make you feel better? Yeah, no, I think more awareness is coming to it, but also in women for HRT, which is you can argue even more of a necessity than at least with Men a lot can maintain residual Hormone production to some capacity that could sustain good health long term But with women once you have menopause like you are guaranteed guaranteed to have a complete cessation of estrogen and progesterone production to where you are guaranteed putting your brain and heart in danger if you don't replace those hormones. Wow.

Yeah. So it's almost like unwinding some of the shitty information that was put out decades ago. That's the thing for women, there was a lot of shitty information put out about hormone replacement. Yeah. Yeah. It's, uh, I think it was the women's health initiative. They had some study that showed like a relative risk increase in breast cancer or something to the tune of some negligible insignificant amounts. And they were also using synthetic drugs as opposed to bio identical so it'd be like the equivalent of me putting you on DECA and then being

like oh well you got cancer so testosterone sucks right yeah which is fucking ridiculous yeah so they were using like horse piss derived estrogens or something and then like some shitty progestin and determining oh HRT is bad because of some also relatively insignificant increase in cancer risk which at least to date in bioidentical hormones we have not seen play out and the upside far out weighs the risk seemingly that we can see right now it's just not really permeated the I don't know like masses yet.

Well, think about how many fucking people aren't testosterone replacement therapy and how few of them you know that have problems. I don't know of anybody that has a problem with it. I know of so many people that have been enhanced by it and they feel so much better, they have so much more energy, more life. Yeah, yeah, it's super impactful.

And for women too, no more hot flashes while you're sleeping, your bones aren't going to degrade at the same rates. Your brain is not, like Alzheimer's rates in women are like 2x that of men. And it's- Really? Of, it's definitely intertwined with menopause shutting off their hormones.

Wow. Yeah. Well, there's just so much shit information out there. That's what's fucked. When you hear about studies that like, you know when when the sugar industry funded those studies to demonize saturated fat because they were trying to say the saturated fat was causing heart attacks and Not sugar when you see about and I think they only Paid them like $50,000 or something crazy. Oh my god, you know don't know that well, I didn't know it's 50 grand I'm pretty sure I'm pretty sure it's like that's fucked up $50,000 or something crazy. Oh my god, you know don't know that well, I didn't know it's 50 grand. I'm pretty sure I'm pretty sure it's like that's fucked

$50,000 and it ruined and not that if it was a bigger amount of money, it would be fine But I mean, it's just shock if they paid him 50 million. Yeah, well, you know, they're unethical But hey if somebody offered me 50 million who knows what I would do No $50,000 and these motherfuckers ruin people for decades and dildo one of the portions is ruined like the fucking yeah food pyramid well it's like they've here yes yep there it is fifty years ago sugar industry quietly paid scientists it wound up paying approximately fifty thousand dollars in today's dollars for the

research so easy even less than fifty thousand dollars so it's fifty thousand dollars today so if fifty years, that's probably 10 grand Yeah, they've been him 10 grand and these motherfuckers ruined everyone's health. Yeah got people taking margarine Being scared of butter and eggs and and meat Crazy yeah, so your diet is just meat. Yeah, mostly. What about fruit? I eat fruit.

Yeah. Yeah, I love fruit. Because you've been cycling back and forth between. I like fruit before I work out. I like fruit after I work out sometimes. You know, I like fruit. But I very rarely eat vegetables unless I want to. Like if some asparagus and it's looking good,

I'll have some asparagus. You know what I mean? Like if I see some Brussels sprouts, I eat it for taste. Sort of good, I'll have some asparagus, you know what I mean? Like if I see some Brussels sprouts, I eat it for taste. Sort of like, I think of it like pasta, except not as bad for you. I think of it as like, oh, that would probably taste good. I'd like to eat some of that.

I don't think of it as like, this is like nutrition and fuel. So when I eat for nutrition and fuel, it's eggs and steak. That's 90 plus percent of my diet. Have you been following the boxing gold medal debacle with that like? First of all, XY chromosome, case closed.

Yeah. And this is what the Enhance Game wants to do. So the Enhance Games, they're developing this Olympic style event, and they're spending a lot of money on it. They have a lot of big investors, and they're going to Olympic style event, and they're spending a lot of money on it. They have a lot of big investors, and they're gonna give real prizes, like a million dollars if you win the gold medal,

instead of zero, which is what the Olympics gives. And I asked them, I'm like, how are you gonna address trans athletes? And they said, we think we're gonna do chromosomes. But, which is really the only way to do it politically correct. You don't say, this is not a woman you say what do you chromosome forget it? Ma'am, what are your chromosomes XY ma'am? You got to be in the XY box get over there, but I identify as a woman

Get over there get over there apparently they used to do sex testing in the Olympics in the 90s I believe they stopped doing it. And then since then, it's been like these weird nuanced scenarios with, oh, is your testosterone level looking male or whatever. And, you know, it's, it gets nuanced with the type of like disorder you have, because some are far more advantageous than others and if this medical report that was leaked of this boxer is true it's basically the worst offender of the disorders you could have because it's basically like a five alpha reductase deficiency is basically just depriving your body of DHT but if you have internal testes making

testosterone you still have the full functional capacity of a male to build muscle and bone and all the psychoactive effects and all that so lung size heart size now to be determined which I think that that athlete should go get the testing to actually disprove it if it was true or if it wasn't true but they would have already done that yeah whether smoke there's fire you know I just I think too many people are calling you a man like there's this one case of there was that runner who castor simanio right so that's a very different thing no I was like potentially the same thing really yes XY chromosome I had

internal testes XY chromosomes five alpha reductase deficiency, and had the testosterone levels of a male because of the internal testes. And you might grow up thinking that you are female because you haven't had adequate sexual differentiation and maturation from the lack of DHT. So it's almost like the equivalent to putting a kid at birth on like a mega dose of finasteride or deutasteride and wiping out their DHT. So they still grow up with male level muscle development from the testosterone, but not

sufficient masculinization to differentiate you and mature you completely from the DHT. Well let's see what is the latest on this so let's find out what is the leaked story on this boxer and Find out like like has anybody analyzed this is there any like conclusion that anybody's drawn I don't think so I think it's still is the leaked report legit or not and story I could find this is November 6th Confirms the live Olympic boxing champion launching legal action over medical alligator, find this is November 6th confirms the live Olympic boxing champion launching legal action over medical alligator but this is just about the legal I know I was looking for any story about it having updated

information this was the most recent story was written then anything else was from October where it was saying that she's also saddened by the abuse she has received do you think they'll go back and edit this if it turns out she's a man well he's saddened by the abuse that he's received. It was about the claims that they were stripped of their title or their gold medal. Oh, that's not true. No, they haven't been stripped. So if they're suing over that, that they can actually win that lawsuit. No, they're suing over something in the French media because they've gotten...

And I feel like the Olympic Committee probably has to lean into you know the whole Politically correct angle of it to to not get the scrutiny of you let this person punch women in the head of course of course Yeah, she'd never felt a punch like this. Yeah, so what they have all sports to yeah fucking fighting people Yeah, it's pretty crazy. But so what is the leaked report Jamie find out what the leaked report? Excuse me the leaked report of this person is that's what this has to do with it I understand what it has to do with it, but find out what the actual leak report is like. What is the leak report? I think it was the Basically assessment of internal testicles. Yeah

Okay, French journalists, but it's been there's been multiple studies or multiple Articles written saying that this person has XY chromosomes. That was a Supposed failed gender eligibility test from some organization that yeah International Boxing Association Did not allow her to participate in 2023 World Championships after she failed gender eligibility tests, but the International Olympic Committee did authorize her presence at Paris 2024. But here's the thing, like, is this when they say the International Olympic Committee did authorize, what are they, by what? Yeah, this is the crazy thing is apparently their criteria was that you are female on your passport Oh

But it's like, you know, if you look female at birth you easily could if you have this disorder So didn't Dylan Mulvaney change their passport to a female? Oh probably Find out can you change your passport to female if you're transgender? I think you can Yeah, I don't know if Dylan Mulvaney did it I guess so low barrier to you like you just have like a fucking ID piece that says you're female therefore we're gonna ignore testes yeah like what the fuck the whole thing is so crazy this this is one of the weirder aspect and the reason why people harp on it so much why is everybody so obsessed with trans because this is why because it's bizarre no medical documentation

You do not need to provide medical documentation to change your gender marker So this is for on US passport you can select M for male F for female or X for unspecified Or another gender identity so you can have X on your passport. I think I'm gonna get that or another gender identity. So you could have X on your passport. I think I'm gonna get that. So no medical documentary. So I could be a female. I could just say I'm a female, show up with a full beard.

Genetic marker you select. Doesn't need to match your gender on your citizenship, evidence, or photo ID. So the reason why this works is I don't know what's going on inside you. I don't know how you feel. I could be arrogant and completely not compassionate and I could just decide that you're just full of shit

and you're a guy. Or you could be in agony going through life, feeling like a woman, and not understanding why you have a dick. I think there's that too. But like I talked about in my comedy special, perverts disappeared like the flu during COVID. Like they don't exist anymore. Like a guy in a dress who gets a hard on going into the women's room is a woman now.

They used to be psychos. It used to be like Norman Bates in the movie psycho dress up like his mom Silence of the lambs puts the lotion in the basket It was like there was if you wanted to make someone in a movie scarier you put him in a dress Yeah, he took a psycho killer. You made him dress like a woman like oh this guy's fucking crazy And then somewhere we just decided that doesn't exist anymore And so there's no perverts and so anyone who just says they're a woman gets to go in the women's room, go in the women's locker,

play in women's sports, and you're completely ignoring this subset of society that has always been fucking terrifying to people. Creepy guys who dress up like women, who pretend to be women, are just perverts. They just want to sneak around women's room and smell their shit. There's people that are out of their mind and you've given them a hall pass.

Yeah. Yeah, like I could empathize with somebody who didn't know and then became aware of it. And then once they became aware of it, they stopped competing. It would suck for everyone everyone involved obviously but like I could understand like how shitty of a predicament that is yes but it's like the onus is on you once you've been assessed to not compete anymore right and to like confirm what the fuck is going on yeah go fight guys yeah it's like even if you're at a disadvantage like well it doesn't mean you fight girls at your advantage exactly yeah yeah if you're a disadvantaged fighting guys you probably shouldn't be

fighting yeah like how many girls are transitioning and then fighting men or competing against men zero well also here's the other argument there is a spectrum right so there are guys with naturally lower testosterone that a guy like say yoel romero yoel Romero has an advantage over almost everybody. You know, when it comes to like genetics, he's just like a fucking specimen from God, right? So you got that, which is the rarest of rare, right? And then you have a guy like, you know, fill in the blank.

There's like a bunch of fighters in the UFC. I don't want to disparage anybody. But there's a bunch of guys, you look at them, you're like, that's not a specimen. But super tough, super super technical works real hard very intelligent in their approach and they manage to fight really well but if they go up against a guy who's a freak just a physical freak and that guy works just as hard and is just as intelligent and just as methodical in their training they're gonna have an advantage just a natural god-given

advantage just the universe has kissed them with genetics. And those people exist, man. And so you can't say, well then that guy should be able to fight women now, because he can't beat Yoel Romero. Like, that's stupid. That's fucking stupid. And it's also, you're not protecting women.

I thought that the left was all about protecting women. Like this is the whole thing about progressives, protect people that are like not as safe. Like I don't generally worry about women raping me. Never. Never in my life have I been in a bar, I go boy I hope some woman doesn't try to rape me. I hope some woman doesn't try to root for me

and get my dick hard. No one ever thinks that way. But women walk through life worrying about getting roofied or getting raped or getting dragged into an alleyway. They worry about that. Guys don't worry about that. It's just a completely different dynamic. So when you are comparing trans this and trans that,

there's not a guy I've ever talked to in my life that doesn't, that is even remotely concerned with a trans man going into the men's room. I don't give a fuck. If like, what's that person that was Chas Bono, Chas Bono, Sonny Bono's daughter that became a man. Chas can come into the men's room. I don't give a fuck. It doesn't even freak me out at all.

If Chaz is in the men's room and I have a two-year-old son with me that I have to take into the bathroom, go to the bathroom, I'm not worried about Chaz Bono, but I am worried about a pervert. If I was a guy and I had a daughter and she was like 10 years old and she went into the women's room and then I saw a man with a fucking five o'clock shadow and a wig on go into the bathroom

behind her and I couldn't go in the men I couldn't go in the women's room and see what's going on I go I don't know that might just be a really kind person who identifies as a woman and happens to have a beard or it could be a complete fucking psycho which are real things and By being this compassionate person. I'm supposed to ignore the the reality of psychos Yeah, that's crazy. Yeah, this is where it becomes like a cult like this is where it becomes like you're indoctrinated into this very rigid ideology that you can't stray from at all and if you do You're you're cast out of the kingdom forever. You're a heretic. You're a terrible person.

Yeah, fucked up, man. It's, I don't really know. Even the scrutiny on it, I don't really know how they don't acknowledge how absurd it is. When you watch people defend it it they have to do mental? Gymnastics yeah, it just you ever see that conversation that I had with Adam Conover about it. No oh Oh, it was one of the most brutal conversations of all time. It's about trans women in sports And also this was like a debate why we didn't turn out to be it wasn't planned out It just it just came about because he was doing you know He's just we were talking about it

and it got to the subject of trans women competing and his position was like, I'm in favor of a sport that's more inclusive, so if that makes it more inclusive for trans women. He was like in favor of hormone blockers for children that they've always known that they're a woman, like what the fuck, you don't have any kids. You don't know what kids are like.

You can tell your kid that they're a werewolf. Like stay, keep away from the full moon, you're a werewolf. Oh, I always knew. Like they're kids, their brain's not formed. And also they wanna please you. And if you're a, how many fucking Hollywood psychos have trans kids? How many people where they fly the flag of inclusivity

and they're a proud progressive and I'm proud that I have a queer child. How much of that is your influence? Is it 0%? Because I bet it's not. I bet there's some sort of reinforcement of that. It's just like the numbers are so extraordinary. When you have parents that have three trans kids you're like what three what are the odds of

that and you're nuts you're a nutty actress and you have three trans kids what's going on here and you're not allowed to say it if you say anything you say oh this person who is clearly mentally ill might actually be mentally ill and might actually have Munchausen syndrome. They might be doing something terrible to their child because they're just fucking nuts and they want a trans kid so they can fly it as a, they can put their pride flag on their fucking front door and they feel like a better person. There are people like that.

And then there are also people that are just compassionate people that want people to be free and do whatever you want. They want you to have complete freedom to express yourself I don't care if a guy wears a dress wear a dress man. If that's what you like I don't care you want to paint your nails want to have lipstick on I don't give a fuck have a good time I want you to be happy. I'll be your friend. Just don't try to compete against women in sports That's fucking nuts and don't try to make women uncomfortable by walking with your dick out in the women's locker room this

How about the guy in Canada? That's 50 years old that identifies as a teenage girl and was competing in young girls swimming and they allowed him, because Canada, like you know, you live there, off the rails, you live in a communist shithole, that place is nuts and they allow some of the most bananas trans stuff of all time. They, on taxpayer money in Canada, they paid for a guy to develop breast milk. Do you know about this story?

No. Oh yeah. Has an adopted child, paid for them, paid for this person to lactate. Imagine the toxic milk that's coming out of this man tit. Oh, horrendous. Like what is in there like water? Are you generating you don't even have the glands for it like what's actually being secreted there?

What is that? Yeah? It's like if you asked me would it be? Good milk quality from some guy on trend or deca and he's just fucking secreting shit of his nipples I'd be like fuck no, dude fuck.. No, yeah, like what is happening? What is in that milk? What is that gonna do to the baby that's sucking on it and all in the name of inclusive inclusivity all in the name of being a kind Compassionate open-minded person that's not open-minded That's nuts and it's cowardly because you're afraid to say what you know to be true because you don't want to suffer the repercussions You don't want to be called a transphobe, whatever the fuck that means

You don't want to be called a bigot. You don't want to be called any of these things So you'll go along with some of the most preposterous ideas including Pretending that perverts don't exist. Yeah, I hope uh, I don't know if pierre is gonna get into Winning the election and get trudeau out, but seems like a reasonable guy. Well, he seems way more reasonable than Trudeau, who seems completely insane. Yeah, and like candidly, I'm not like a political expert

by any fucking means at all, so don't take anything I'm saying seriously. Apparently, last time I was here, people thought I was like, by not saying anything about it, I was like endorsing Trudeau or something. By not saying anything about him? I don't know thought I was like by not saying anything about it I was like endorsing Trudeau or something I was like saying anything I don't know there was like comments about how like Derek knows better he knows who this PR guy is I'm like I just don't follow this shit like I should probably yeah so but he yeah he seems a reasonable and in contrast to Trudeau who's like a

fucking full on long show full on lunatic who's completely changed his tune on so many different things including going after guns what they did with the trucker the trucker strike yeah like the debanking thing you guys talked about recently it's like not new news in Canada I know yeah well they did it to people who donated yeah to the trucker convoy which is really crazy So you just say hey these people shouldn't be mandated to get a vaccine that has you know a safety profile That's really like we don't really know yet. We don't know there's no long-term studies We don't really know what's gonna happen and you're just like mandating this Yeah, why why I don't have to do it. Why are you making me do it? It turned out you really didn't have to do it. So this is what what's turned out now

Like, you know, was it the here also I'll send it to you Jamie do it. It turned out you really didn't have to do it. So this is what's turned out now. Was it the... Here, I'll send it to you, Jamie. So they released a study recently where the actual government went and looked over... Here, I'll show you this. So they went and looked over what the actual results were from the pandemic and the findings are, they're, you know, not that shocking to anybody who was actually paying attention, but completely contrary to what the instructions were when we were young and this or when, you know, COVID was recent rather. So COVID-19, this is the house released a 500 page report on COVID-19 pandemic key findings. COVID-19 likely originated from a lab related

incident in Wuhan, China. Crazy. You get banned from YouTube for saying that. Banned. Okay, over $200 billion in relief funds lost to fraud with criminals exploiting weak oversight, prolonged lockdowns and arbitrary mandates caused severe harm, economic devastation, mental health crises, and historic learning loss while lacking robust scientific support. Policies ignored natural immunity pushing mandates that eroded trust and harmed public perception of science. Absolutely. WHO and CDC compromised by political interference, offering inconsistent unscientific

guidance that fueled public distrust and the key players included federal agencies and Cuomo's administration actively obstructed oversight efforts and hid critical evidence." Select Subcommittee on Coronavirus Pandemic basically said all the conspiracy theorists were correct every single one of them no repercussions no retractions no apology from Rachel Maddow none of it yeah man it's uh in Canada the lockdowns were pretty absurd I don't hear they were it depended on the state and whatever but Canada was like get your vaccines. You're not leaving to go anywhere. Yeah. Yeah crazy Did you have to take it? Yeah, dude fucking sucked. Did you have a side effect?

No, well at least that I could tell and I've never do a D dimer test. Yes. You're all that's good Well from what I understand I talked to a friend of mine who's very knowledgeable in this and he said that one of the real Problems was the lack Of aspiration that they didn't aspirate when they injected people even when they did Biden on television They just jam that thing into his arm and shot it in there So is it supposed to stay like a local or something? And it's supposed the idea about it was it's supposed to stay local, right? It's supposed to be local

But apparently there's been if you talk to Brett Weinstein bunch of other people, there's a lot of debate as to whether or not it is ever local, that they've been able to find the evidence of the spike protein all throughout the body. The issue though, was if you didn't aspirate and you went right into a blood vessel. So that could be the cause of myocarditis, all these different neurological conditions, all these different things. So the lipid nanoparticles and this vaccine gets in your system, your body reacts to it like it's being attacked, right?

Well, if it gets to the heart, your heart doesn't heal, right, which is why your heart doesn't get cancer. Your heart scars. Like your liver heals, your liver regenerates. You could lose half your liver. You know, you scars. Like your liver heals, your liver regenerates. You could lose half your liver. You know, you can donate half your liver to someone and it'll grow back in weeks. Yeah, liver's resilient. It's nuts. But your heart's not like that. So the heart scars over and it leads to enlargement of the heart, myocarditis, pericarditis. So this is the thought. This is what

my friend told me, who's a very intelligent person, I want to name him. But he said that the real issue is that they didn't aspirate and a significant number of people that are experiencing these long term issues from the vaccine is because it went right into their bloodstream when it was supposed to be intramuscular. There is several times now because especially if you're on TRT, you're probably more understanding of how to inject yourself almost than somebody who's like a random pharmacist that just jamming people as fast as they want every single day just as part of their gig. And you're kind of risking it if you just let somebody else pin you. Like sometimes you feel like, hey, can I do this? Right. Yeah. Right. But even then, like if you jam it into your arm, it's possible that you could hit a blood vessel

Yeah, have you ever heard of the Trencoff? I have what is that? Yeah, so it's thought to be that if you get into Like you nick a vein or something or you'd like hit a blood vessel for example And you get it some of it bleeding immediately into systemic circulation Rather than being intramuscular entirely, it goes very quickly up to your lungs and you basically have a coughing fit get induced by your body trying to like expel whatever is there. And so like I could absolutely see something

that wasn't meant to go immediately into systemic circulation being more problematic. Like with TrenCoff, I've experienced it personally back in the day. This is like one of the most sobering things about bodybuilding is if you get Trencoff, it's like the most pathetic scenario you'll ever find yourself in

because you're just this muscle bound dude who just injected yourself with like cattle steroids and you're just looking at yourself in the mirror, hacking up along, sweating your fucking face off and off like what am I doing with my life and you can't get around it other than just like cough a lung for three minutes it takes three minutes for it to go it depends but like how much you have and all this a bunch of stuff but yeah it's like basically if it happens you can feel it coming on you just like fucking brace yourself on the sink and you get ready

to hack up a lung for a few minutes Jesus and is it a consistent thing or is it a one-time thing? Like right after injection or is it something it's after injection But it's like, you know, who knows what that does once you get like solvents and fucking you know Like whatever else is in your compound in your solution into systemic circulation immediately. I don't know What is trend is something that the craziest of people that I know have taken, including like Jiu-Jitsu guys that really want to get super jacked, they take Trend. And I'm like, what is it about the Trend? And they apparently get ultra violent when they're on Trend. Yeah. So it's a unique compound that was-

Is it called TrendBalloon. Is that what it's? Yeah. And it used to be used in for like, I forgot what the clinical application was, but it was a pharmaceutical approved steroid back in the eighties. And then was, you know, basically taken off the market, similar to around the same time that interestingly enough, Biden was the one who spearheaded getting like steroids scheduled essentially.

Biden did? Yeah, he was like at the forefront of pushing for the banning of them or scheduling. If I don't have muscles, nobody has muscles. Yeah, and that's like he's blamed often by the bodybuilding community for the lack of refinements in anabolic steroids because now we're stuck with the same drugs we've been using since like the 80s. Wow. So like every drug category has had significant refinements over the years to make them more effective, less side effect written, et cetera,

like GLP-1 medications, for example, highly effective and constantly being like lightning through pipelines to create really, really refined ones that are less problematic. And with steroids, that was being done in the 80s. And then once there was, you know, the Ben Johnson debacle, I believe it was, that brought all this, you know, public outcry. Another proud Canadian.

Getting positive for a wind stroll, I think. And people were like, is this just going to become like a fucking like chemical warfare essentially in the Olympics and whoever's dope the most is going to win. People are freaking out. And the response was Biden getting it, including testosterone scheduled. Wow. Yeah. And then there was this huge stigma developed around them and the taboo of being on steroids was developed. And that's kind of what led to this probably slowing down progress decades and likely preventing people from getting steroids developed that were far less likely to kill them. Yeah so we get a really refined highly effective compounds by now that don't make your heart explode if you

just if they just continued probably. Well I know that one state. I think it was oregon Essentially decriminalized everything. I think they've taken that back now because I think it was like a just oregon's a disaster Anyway, portland in particular like you go There's just needles and drug addicts and it's like open-air drug marts everywhere Because all the homelessness and the camping on the street the tent situation there is fucking nuts and they're super tolerant progressive people so like overwhelmingly right so they just look at it like in terms of compassion for these people we need to fund them and you're basically giving them money to stay homeless it's really nuts so when a society

like that decriminalizes everything we we're just going to have fucking people are going to go haywire with meth and whatever else they want to get. But they also did it with steroids. They did it with everything. They essentially decriminalized all drugs. But I think they took, did they take that back, Jamie? I would be curious, even if it was decriminalized though, what the access would be like, because it's still going to be contingent on compounding pharmacies being able to make stuff legally, which from what I understand

is actually getting worse scrutiny as opposed to like it getting better. Well they're scrutinizing peptides now, which is really crazy. Oregon law rolling back drug decriminalization takes effect making possession a crime again. So is it of all things? Did they just change the law totally? So the Democratic controlled legislature passed the recriminalization law in March overhauling a measure approved by 58% of voters in 2020 that made possessing illicit drugs like heroin punishable by a ticket and a maximum $100 fine.

The measure directed hundreds of millions of dollars in cannabis tax revenue towards addiction services, but the money was slow to get out the door at a time when the fentanyl crisis was causing a spike in deadly overdoses in health officials. Grappling with the COVID-19 pandemic, we're struggling to stand up the new treatment system, state auditors found. Okay. So they just couldn't keep up with what was, they didn't follow through with the whole idea of these addiction centers and rehabilitation centers. Yeah. And like some of this stuff is like, I don't even know how much it would help being able to possess something when you can't even get it prescribed to begin with. Right. You can't manufacture it. If you're allowed to get cocaine if you're allowed to possess cocaine

Well, you buying fentanylase cocaine from the cartel like what do you yeah like in Canada? It's not a I'm pretty sure it's not a crime to possess steroids, but to sell it and distribute it It is a crime and there's still no pharmacies that are making like pharmaceutical grade Steroids that aren't testosterone. Could a pharmacy make it and give it away? Have you had some Elon Musk type fucking crazy person? I don't think so, probably not. Right, so if it's decriminalized

and you're allowed to possess it, are you allowed to make it? No, I think just like the process of distributing, I don't even know, but I know like Oxandrol and for example, Anivar was recently like banned entirely and it's been allowed to be prescribed for certain neat like hyper specific niche purposes for decades. It's been around since the 80s and it's been in America as well. Yeah, like recently it was added to like it was basically D approved.

But why good question apparent. I but you can still get the kovat 19 vaccine. Yeah easily I'll still tell you to get it. Yeah Try to give it to kids. Yeah Yeah, but um, it's crazy because like how many people are dying from anovar not many Yeah, like what's the numbers? It's like, what is it like Brazil nut deaths? It's definitely not the safe drug, but I mean like it's, you know, when it's used appropriately, it can be fine. Right.

Yeah. But there's not a crisis. No, no. Yeah, that's the thing. It's like, why are you passing laws when there's not an issue? Yeah, I don't know what the effect of RFK will be but it sounds like he might be able to influence things now in like a positive direction to that stuff. He looks a little saucy. Oh for sure. He's 70. He's I

think he admitted that he's on TRT. Clearly. I mean if you you would have to be the craziest genetic freak of all time to carry that kind of muscle mass at 70 naturally. Yeah. Yeah. So that's good. And he also is open to the idea of changing the classification of psychedelics as well, which I think is going to be really important to people. There's a lot of things that morons are preventing society from using. And that's really all it is. People who are ignorant to the effects, ignorance to the risk, they're ignorant to all of it and they're compromised generally by pharmaceutical drug companies.

Yeah, I definitely think psychedelics have utility. One thing I do see that freaks me out though is people permanently changing their brain chemistry with like heavy ayahuasca exposure or whatever. Oh, yeah. Well, have you seen uh, I've seen multiple cases of this on social media as well as in real life people have gone like retreats and then come back Unrecognizable in their demeanor and how they behave and not in a good way like like weirdos. Yeah. Oh, yeah I know a few yeah, like have you seen a liver King recently now? What's going on? He seems like I don't like borderline schizophrenic now Okay, but is that also I think think he was mentally ill, right? Maybe. I would've, listen, let me just classify my definition

of mentally illness as someone who lies. I think it's a mental illness. I think lying, when it's really obvious, like, you know, if I try to tell people I'm six foot three, that's an obvious lie. If I say that over and over again until somebody comes up with a ruler, that's crazy. You have to be a crazy person.

That's a mental illness. If you lie and say you're black and you're actually white and you work for the NAACP, like that Rachel Dolezal lady, kind of mentally ill, right? That's a mental, there's something wrong. You're not thinking clear. And you're doing a thing that we generally, like universally say is a bad thing, which is lying. So if you're doing that, you're doing a thing that we generally like universally says a bad thing which is lying

Right so if you're doing that you're lying about taking steroids when it's super obvious you're on steroids You're 46 years old you look like a fucking superhero You're right. It's just super jacked you know and then gets caught okay, so now he has to come out and say that he's now imagine You've never been famous and then all of a sudden you are really really famous really quickly over the course of a few years like social media all over tick-tock your profile is elevated the point where you could say to the regular person's tree you know who liver King is like oh yeah that roided up guy everybody knows who he is then the hate

because your labs come out and finds out he's on a shitload of things This guy's juice to the tits Obviously for a guy like you or a guy like me we look at a guy like that like you've got to be on the juice You don't even look remotely normal. They everyone says that though, too But a lot of people believe them a lot of people are just ignorant, right? But the people that knew like yourself 100% you knew that that guy was on steroids, right? So then imagine the anxiety that comes with being exposed and then the hate. Now, I don't know what this dude does in terms of social media if he reads comments, but just imagine the psychological effect of being bombarded by people calling you a piece of shit

and a liar and a fraud all day long. Every time you check your Instagram or whatever you got, your YouTube, the comments are filled with people who hate you. Filled with it. And you're just sitting there stewing in your own shit and just freaking out about your decisions and your brain probably gets overrun by stress. Yeah, yeah, yeah for sure. It's uh, I don't even know for him specifically

either if he did psychedelics or not. I'm pretty sure he's talked about it openly but it was just like some of the videos were really odd and it kind of reflected behavior I've seen of people who have like experiences gone awry But certainly not representative of what happens if it's done properly Well, I think it's depends on if it's done properly to who yeah like your baseline state and like what you're yeah I think there's people like this is the argument argument that Alex Berenson had when he wrote that book, you know, he used to write for the New York Times, he wrote a book called Tell Your

Children. And it's all, his argument is that marijuana is not safe for everybody, right? It's safe for a lot of people. I know a lot of people use marijuana all the time. They don't have any problems. But I do know multiple people that have gone schizophrenic for marijuana. Now is it, they were going schizophrenic anyway and then these high dose marijuana experiences were the tipping point?

We don't really know, but we do know there's a correlation. And I've seen it. I've seen it with multiple people where they were really normal and then all of a sudden they start talking to you about like, you know, like someone's talking to them in their head and there's a chip and Elon Musk is going to have them be the king of Mars and like people lose their shit man and they go into this world of paranoid fantasy and delusion and it's horrible to see, especially if it's someone that you care about, it's really fucking weird.

Kills your REM sleep too. Marijuana does. Yeah, well if you're using it like to sleep it can reduce sleep latency, but Significantly harms REM sleep so you might not be getting quality sleep every night which exacerbates the effect definitely fucks with your dreams Yeah, you know how I know this sober October when we do sober October like immediately have these wild dreams like super vivid dreams I'm like where are these things been so like super vivid dreams. I'm like, where are these things been? So like for the whole month, it was crazy. Do you track the sleep metrics when you're doing Sober October versus? No, I was doing it for a while with whoop. I was like checking my recovery. I wasn't

that, I'm basically a feel person. Like how do I feel? I'm pretty good at knowing how I feel. And if I feel well rested, if I got eight hours sleep and I feel well rested, I'm not even going to check my, I don't care. I feel great. Let's go. Let's go. I just like, I think so much of it is mental. You know, so much of it's like the energy that you have to approach your day is enthusiasm and health. You know, that's where your energy generally comes from. Yeah. The stress of tracking can sometimes like defeat the purpose as well for some people. I think it's also, I've heard people talk about addiction. How many people are addicted to their phones?

Most of us, right? There's an addiction to checking health metrics. And there's also an addiction to competing. But I would say that that's an addiction that's fairly positive, because you're addicted to these numbers that are correlated with health benefits. So it's like, what is addiction? Okay, if you're a gambling addict

and you're losing your house and your children don't have food, okay, that's a detrimental addiction. But if you're addicted to exercise and you're super fit because of it, you're gonna live longer and you're healthy as fuck and you look great is that really an addiction I'm not sure if we're talking about the same thing we're talking about

the same kind of pattern but like I've been addicted to a lot of things I've been addicted to martial arts for sure like if I don't I would be like out in public and if people if people were boring to me I'd be thinking of combinations. I'd be like talking to them. I wasn't thinking about what they were saying I was thinking about how it hit them. I think about like if they step like this then I go at that But what if I step here? I was like working out footwork and I would do it in my head cuz I was an addict But I was addicted to something that was very positive. Yeah. No, it's a You need somewhere to attribute your I don't know, dopamine to, I guess.

Yeah. If it's positive, it's like probably the best thing you could hope for as long as you don't go over the top, which is pretty difficult to do with health stuff. Right. So. Well, you can break yourself down with overtraining. You know, I would say that my good friend David Goggins is broken his body down with overtraining

He's he's got no cartilage in his knees and he's running thousands of miles. He's a complete psychopath He must be in agony like every step he takes and he does not give a fuck He just keeps going it's really crazy to see his doctor looked at his knees and said this is from him directly He said I don't know how you could walk on these knees, forget about run thousands of miles. Yeah. They had to cut his knee because it's bone on bone, his bone was distorting so much by growing to kind of like deal with the inflammation and like it's like some, I forget what it's called, something wolf syndrome, something. So they had to cut his leg cut his fucking tibia bone and shift it down so that it's flat so they could run

flat bone on bone that's fucked dude it's madness do it's even more madness is the guys who get their tibia smashed open and femur and then get height increasing so that's crazy. Do you know- Did we find that one guy was like 6'2 who did it? Dude, I'm doing a podcast with him in two days. What is it called? I Got My Knees Done? Is that what it is?

He took his page down though, didn't he? Yeah, I think he was off social media for a while and I was actually going to do a podcast with him last year and then it didn't end up working out, and he's available and into the idea still, so. Well, is he fully healed now? He went from six foot to six foot six. Jesus Christ, look at the size of him. And this is him wheeling himself around. And he was a massive guy too.

Like, look at the size of his fucking arms. Yeah, the guy is like a genetic freak for muscle, for sure. Let's become taller, They're cranking their legs This is nuts. So basically they go in and shove these rods into your legs either in the tibia or the femur or you can do both if you want to max out and You can basically micro adjust stretch it to create a separation between the bone which then fills in with new bone over time and This is him seven months after the lengthening process

I want to see what your legs look like dude why I got sweatpants on see what those little toothpicks look like Yeah, so this guy went from like nuts I don't know what his original height was but he's six feet down and he was like I think five six or five seven when he's original height was but he's six feet now and he was like I think five six or five seven when he started. Wow that's crazy. So I have a lot of questions about is your athleticism permanently fucked now? Are you ever gonna be able to squat again? You know like what's life like now? What was the surgery process? Rehabilitation? What are your mechanics? You have to change. You have to learn how to do everything. The distance between your shin like your kneecap and your foot if that changes

Dramatically like your whole timing is different. I have more a different leverage that everything's different What does it do to your hips? Yeah, you know Are you gonna wear your hips out earlier like your body's probably like has to compensate for these freakishly long shins now Yeah, and this guy too, he's a unique phenomenon, even among the people doing this crazy surgery because he got the full six inches, which is not necessarily typical, having both bones broken to do it.

And then maxing it out at the weight he's at too. So he has to support the recovery on like a, I can imagine seemingly like 300 plus frame or something A lot of people who get it done are like five six trying to become like five way 150 Right, it's still probably fucking insane regardless insane. Yeah, but it's just you're only stretching one bone, right? Yeah, I have to are they doing the tibia as well it you pick so the tibia and the fibula rather yes both of them femur or tibia or both

you're oh yeah I could be misspeaking but I'm pretty sure it's one or the other and both yeah oh yeah both done and he like it Yeah, so he's a recovery like yeah good question so so this is this guy after how long? Jump which is not much a couple weeks after he gets his surgery done no no no After he gets the bars pull off. It's like week by week. Jumping after height surgery. Oh look how skinny his legs are. So he's pretty skinny. So this is him in the beginning, he's trying to do it. I would be terrified to do that. See I would be, my curiosity is how athletic were they prior? And then what is their maximal, like what's their max out point of recovery in contrast to their baseline?

Cause, yeah you could show me a box jump that looks like you're somewhat functional but yes they like stick a rod in it and micro I think like a year probably or I don't know so for a year you're walking around with these like iron shin plates yeah that's pretty nuts dude and getting all the bitches now yeah looking all sexy and tall now there was one guy Jamie that you pulled up before who had it done and they showed him doing some athlete athletic drills like cone drills and coordination drills and he looked fucking great he looked like a real athlete even though he got it done. It didn't look like it was unless he's just unbelievably athletic

before and maintained a lot of it. I would like to know, like, did you have a decrease? Like, could you? I mean, you obviously look insane right now, but what you used to be able to do. Yeah, some of the stuff I'm curious about, too, is like how much of the content you see online is like sponsored versus actual like user content just reviewing their experience?

Cause you could see like, for example, hair transplants, tons of people get sent like fully paid to go get a transplant done as long as they speak positively about it and whatever. So imagine a guy who's getting like Specialized attention which you would want if you're getting your fucking legs broken And you're getting it covered or whatever you just make sure you talk about it positively right how much of that content is like legit versus

You know somewhat manufactured. That's a very good point Yeah, that's also one of those things where if you're a social media influencer You probably want to appear like you're doing all the right things Yeah, you would never want to admit that you fucked yourself up for height increasing surgery. I can't walk right I'm in pain all the time. I can't run anymore. You'd become the case study for like why did not do it? Yeah, yeah I wonder I mean, I wonder like what kind of an effect that would have on your mechanics. I really do. I would imagine for martial

arts, like you know where everything is. Like if I'm throwing a kick, I know exactly where my shin is gonna land from the distance that I'm at. Yeah. Like I've got like this mind, my mind is coordinated for this short body I know exactly how much distance I have to cover if all of a sudden you add six inches to that Oh, yeah, you're all your everything is weird Dude, even gaming even gaining a bit of muscle can throw off your depth perception of how strong like for example when I was in high school I played basketball and I started working out in Like for example when I was in high school I played basketball and I started working out in

grade 11 and gained like 50 pounds in a year and my three-pointer that used to be just like Just fucking money every time I knew exactly how to shoot the ball Like it was you know just second nature to because you've been doing it for a decade or whatever And then all of a sudden you add this extra force production that you're not accounting for all of a sudden everything's thrown off. And also you're sore all the time because you're always lifting which makes you tight. Yeah, I became a brick house after that. It's a giant problem with pool.

You know, because I'm addicted to playing pool. When I lift weights and then play pool it takes like an hour before I can loosen up and play good. Oh man. Everything's off. It's like an hour before I can loosen up and play good. Oh, man. Everything's off. It's like my arm's not listening right. It's all stiff. Like for pool, you want to like, when I'm playing really well, I'm barely holding onto that

cue. It's like I'm almost letting the cue do all the work. It's like a very gentle thing. But then when I've been, I do like a heavy kettlebell session and then I try to play pool, it's like, everything's just tight and goofy and clunky, and you don't feel it. Pool is like a feel game. You're feeling how many rotations you're putting on the ball

to get it to move to the next position. Literally, you're within one or two rotations correctly. And that's the difference between getting into an area where you can make the next shot or not. So it's all feel. Like these guys, like Fedor Ghorst, who's like one of the best players in the world, he changed cues.

He changed cue companies. The same weight, the same taper, the same tip millimeter. And he said his shot was about 10% off. He was six to 10% off. I was like, what? Like how? He's like, it's off. It takes a while to recalibrate.

Yeah, it was one of those examples where like, in MMA too, if you gain a bunch of muscle from drugs even, it's not necessarily beneficial. Your mobility could be inhibited flexibility gas out quicker even in BJJ it's like and you can sauce to the tits but like it might not be helpful to the capacity you can actually push it right you know you might gas out quicker all of a sudden you can't do things that you used to do I think the key is moderation in lifting in regard to unless you're on the sauce, if you're doing anything

like MMA or any skill based thing. Because as soon as you're tight and sore, you're not gonna learn well. You're not gonna have a snap to your punches. You'll be pushing punches. There's a fluidity, like some of the hardest techniques almost look effortless, because there's a fluidity to the, like if you're landing a kick, for example, like a hard kick, like a spinning back kick, like what John Jones knocked out Steve A. Miocic

with, there's a dance going on with your nervous system, with all your muscles moving in coordination. If you think of how complex that movement is, right? He's standing like this sideways and he's looking for the... And at the right moment, he pivots on the ball of his foot, turns his heel towards the person, rotates his entire body this way and shoves his leg forward, pushing off his back leg with all of his weight. And there's a timing. You don't want to hit him here and you don't want to hit him at the end of it. You want to hit him right in the sweet spot.

So you've got to know your foot on extension is going to be properly distanced from his rib cage in order for you to get maximum force. And it's all happening in a fraction of a second. It's just, boom! And when it lands, it's like getting hit by a fucking car and if you tie it but it's a dance and if you're here he see him do this look at this fucking dance man watch this look at that turn BOOM I mean it's perfection I had a feeling that if anyone could appreciate this it would be you know you for sure given this is like your signature right? Oh, that's my specialty kit. Yeah, that's yeah

Not that is everyone is impressed by it But like I knew you would see it as like I was so hyped up because I always wondered why more people don't throw it And that's also the same kick that max Holloway landed on Justin Gaethje at the end of the first round He fucked him up at the end of the first round with a spinning back kick to the face, which is a crazy kick to take in the month. Sick fight. Sick fight. But you know, Stipe is one of the toughest guys to ever walk the face of the earth.

For him to go down like that, look at the force, look at the force. Boom! I mean, your whole, his rib went in, like look how deep it goes in. On impact, look how fucking deep his heel Isn't look at that. That's insane That's like the body equivalent of that Tony Ferguson picture, right? Ticked in the face. Yeah, I mean that is Incredible amount of penetration look at that

I mean all of his organs just went in shock right there And if he was on the other side, it would be even more devastating because that's not even the side where the liver is That's just general organ trauma. Mm-hmm, you know And he just can't take it. He just goes down and then that's a wrap. So what happens when Aspinal fights John Jones? I gotta hope they fight. I want to know it's gotta happen, right? Here's a question with Aspinal fights John Jones? I gotta hope they fight. I want to know. It's gotta happen, right? Here's a question with Aspinal. What happens with Aspinal in the second round? Oh, I guess he hasn't.

You want to talk about a guy with sprints. You want to talk about a guy with fast twitch. Aspinal's one of the fastest heavyweights. He might be the fastest heavyweight in the history of the sport. I don't think anybody moves like that guy does. At a 250- plus pound frame, his movement's fucking extraordinary. And that's something you have to deal with. Like that is a crazy ability. His ability to move like the way he moves is so much different than everybody else in the sport. Like Google, let's come up with a good Aspen all fight

Google, let's come up with a good Aspen all fight about the Curtis Blades fight was pretty quick but how about the last one with the Pavlich fight where he won the interim title? That's a good one. That's a minute. I got Volkov was three minutes. Yeah, all of his fights like all together he's fought like 10 minutes. Everybody gets blown out. Yeah. But let's watch one of them.

The only loss he has was he blew his knee out, throwing a kick, which is crazy. He didn't even get hit. He threw a round kick, and his ACL exploded. So let's see Marcien Tabora. That's a good one. He's so fucking fast, dude. The Andre Olavsky fight, you can see that's pretty fast, too

Put the tabora one. It's the left left hand side go above that above that to the left Right there click on that nobody's gonna be a just click on it. I can't control this. That's fine. That's fine I just want to show his movement look how fast he moves in I mean that guy's so fucking fast He moves like a hundred and seventy five pounder. He doesn't move like a 250 pound guy Look how quickly he closes the distance man his hand speed and full range of skills Incredible stand-up knocks guys out with one punch black belt and jiu-jitsu Really good wrestler his everything and he's young. So what's your prediction if it happens?

It's you got as hard a bet against John It's hard to get bet against John, but John's not a real heavyweight John could make light heavyweight 100% He weights 230 right now, maybe a little less than 230 There's no doubt in my mind that if John just changed his diet and went by he hasn't put that much mass on That you would say 205 is out of reach No, it's a Fluffy weight. Yeah Look, he had always had the reputation of fucking all the heavyweights up at Jackson Winklejohn always

Everybody said like when Brendan went down and trained with him. Brendan was a heavyweight Brendan shop He's like he fucked me up. He goes dude. I was like top ten in the world as a heavyweight I thought it was the shit. he fucked me up. He goes dude. I was like top ten in the world as a heavyweight I thought it was the shit he fucked me up He was he beat my ass and he goes he beat everybody else's ass to all the other heavyweights ragdoll dudes way bigger than him He's just a freak. This is wingspan is like how much longer than his height though, too It's crazy. Yeah, it's insane crazy reach and also just skillful Yeah, it's insane crazy reach and also just skillful His skills are so rock solid in every way shape or form his stand-up his submissions. He's crazy strong

He's got just an insane mind for fighting and would he blow out Pereira you think where it's not even a worthwhile The problem is the ground John so much better on the ground. Like, world's better, you know? And it takes so long to get really good on the ground. And we've seen Pereira get in trouble with guys on the ground that are nowhere near John's level. Nowhere near. John dominates everybody. He took down Daniel Cormier. Daniel Cormier's an Olympic wrestler.

I mean, he's a fucking phenomenal wrestler. And John took him down. And took him down multiple times It's a different dude, man. This is what we're talking about like with genetics, right? There's some guys They're just blessed and then with John it's blessed and his mind. It's not just it's his personality his like Ruthless competitiveness. He's like he's not going to fucking lose. He's going to find a way to get you and he's gonna do it clever. He's not trying to take a bunch of punishment and stand and bang. He's not gonna point the center of the octagon let's go right here we're standing right here. Never gonna happen with John Jones.

You're not getting none of that son. You're getting knees to the gut. You're getting your knees kicked. You're getting fucking just liced up with elbows where your fucking head's bleeding, he's gonna slowly dismantle you and find a way to submit you or punish you, beat you to death on the ground, but can he do that with a guy like Aspinall who's a legit 255 pound natural who moves like he's 80 pounds lighter, he's a freak man.

Aspinall's a freak. Like I've seen a lot of heavyweight, even Francis, who's like the greatest, scariest power striker I've ever seen in the heavyweight division. No one's scarier than Francis. Francis does not move like Tom Aspinall. Tom Aspinall is significantly faster

than every other heavyweight. That's a real problem. That's a real problem. That's a real problem. But John has been used to fighting guys like Alexander Gustafson, guys who are really fast at light heavyweights. So the speed is not going to be as much of an adjustment. Like John's used to really fast people. He fought Liotto Machida when Machida was in his prime. Machida was a lightning bolt, man. And he caught John a bunch of times But then there's the thing of getting caught by leota machete is not like getting caught by 255 pound Tom Aspinall That's pretty crazy being at the top of the sport for like two eras essentially

There's no one like it. Yeah, like when I was like a fucking teenager watching UFC. It was like leota versus him You have like Mauricio Shogun, who fights. And yeah. He's 14 years at the top. Yeah. 14 years. And they're debating whether or not he's the pound for pound best fighter alive right now.

Islam Makachev currently holds that standing. And I think that is voted amongst experts. I think that's what it, you know, air quotes experts. Some of these guys don't know jackshit There's guys who vote on this that literally have never rolled a day in their life And that's a fact but the memes pretty funny though where it's like every time Dana Says John Jones is the bet and they'll put it in front of like it'll be like, I don't know some obscene scenario It'll be like somebody getting a terminal illness diagnosis or something and then Dana way comes in

He's like, but John Jones is the best fucking fighter of all time I want to make sure that what I said was accurate like who does get to decide what the pound-for-pound list is I believe it's MMA journalists and experts now There's MMA journalists that I know that are really nice guys And I don't want to say any names But I know they never worked out a fucking day in their life. And they love the sport, and they cover it fairly, and they're very knowledgeable, and they're very good at reciting stats and understanding things.

But how much do you really know? Ratings were generated by a voting panel made up of media members. See, that's a problem. Media members were asked to vote on who they feel are the best top fighters in the UFC by weight class and pound-for-pound a fighter is only eligible to be voted on if they are active status in the UFC now this is not to disparage any of these media people like I said I love them I'm friends with a lot of them they're great guys they

there's no way you absolutely understand someone's ability, especially when you're talking about pound for pound, unless you've done martial arts. I just don't think, I can see, like when John threw that kick, I see that kick and I go, that was beautiful. That was beautiful, because I know how it kicks, I know what's supposed to happen.

You're just guessing. You're guessing on what, you've never done that on somebody. If you've never done that, you don't know how beautiful that is. don't really get it you kind of get it but you get it the way I get flying a plane I never flow plane I kind of see they pull the lever that guy did a great job flying that plane look how he landed perfect I don't know what's really going on you know but when it comes to

martial arts I know it's really going on you know and when you look at a guy like John Jones I don't think you look at a guy like John Jones, I don't think you can make a greatest of all time complete argument. The way I like to look at it, I say, who had the highest expression of martial arts excellence during their prime? Like, I don't mean the entire career.

I don't mean now. I mean, when they were hot, like when Anderson Silva was hot, how good was that? Was that better than anything that ever existed? Because I think it might have been. And that's what I look at when I look at like pound for pound best. So the argument is John Jones has had

some really close fights, he's had like split decision fights that he won. He had a lot of people thought that, you know, some of his fights could, like the Dominic Reyes fight. Yeah, dude, that was close. Could have easily gone to Dominic Reyes. Yeah. Easily. And I would not have been mad at that.

And, you know, I might go back and watch it again and decide Dominic Reyes won that fight. But there's those 10-9 rounds. They're like, I don't know. You can say 10-9 John or 10-9 Dominik, and either way you've lost the title or you've won the title back. It's real weird. Makachev is so fucking good. He's so fucking good that he head kicked Alexander Volkanovsky in the rematch.

He submits everybody, submitted Dustin Po Poirier He's a fucking monster when he gets guys on the ground He just crushes them and you could argue that he's dealing with a deeper talent pool So his weight class is in my opinion the most talent rich weight pool in the sport 155 pounds 155 pounds is filled with assassins 205 pounds is filled with assassins 205 pounds is not 265 is definitely not it's the giant difference So we like it's been a while since those divisions were like really heated with depth like back which ones Light heavy especially they used to be like the fucking division to watch

Imagine though if Pereira was coming up when John Jones was a champion that would be exciting That would be exciting Pereira is a different cat man He said did you hear what Mark Goddard said to me in the fight? After he fought Khalil roundtree Mark Goddard came up to me goes mate the sound it makes when he hits them is ungodly. He goes, I've been doing this for 20 years. He goes, the sound he makes is just different. It's ungodly. He just kept saying that.

He wanted to make a point to say this to me. He came up to me like immediately when I got into the octagon. He's like, the sound is ungodly. His power is so different. It's so, do you know like Francis hit that punch pad and he got like a hundred and twenty seven or whatever Pereira got 190. Oh Yeah, that one ninety. Yes, you know crazy that is with a kick. The highest I got was like 157

Some guy got like 190 with a kick. We're pretty impressed. I think some guy might have broken 200 with a kick some Muay Thai guy Pereira did 190 with a punch With a punch. Yeah, and it was after training. He just wallops this fucking thing They come out of nowhere like there's not really a there's no call Yeah, there's no tell and he doesn't have to hit you full power because he has so much power like those leg kicks that he fucks Everybody with there's no turn of the hips at all he's just slapping you with and all sudden you can't walk well and then he's like marching you down and it just takes one shot his power is so crazy different than anybody else's

because everybody gets hit on the chin but when you get hit on the chin by that guy it's like you can't get hit you get hit it's like everything is just like you're like what the fuck you see in their face yeah I remember the first time I was here we were talking about how this guy Pereira is the only one who's ever beat Adesanya and he's like this fucking assassin we were like oh that's you know interesting timeline didn't know it would transpire into like this degree of success where not only does he beat him? But then he like switches divisions fucking smokes that division too. It's crazy

Yeah dominated two divisions and the only reason why he didn't stay at light heavyweight or middleweight rather He's literally killing himself to get to 185 Yeah And I think that likely contributed to the ko to like Adesanya landed a perfect right hand that right hand is gonna fuck him up Every day of the week No matter what you weigh It's just perfect and the timing the way he did it like leaning up against the cage and just look for the opening and just Caught him coming in bang dropped him hit him with a left hook put the arrows in no one he's down That ko was perfect

But you got to wonder like how much of his inability like you went completely unconscious How much of that is because of the drain the dehydration because we know that the brain takes longer to rehydrate than the muscle tissue Yeah, so like they saw the impact for sure Yeah, fighters always say that it impacts their ability to take a punch They talk about it like openly like I took punches better when I went up to 55 like a good example is Olivera Olivera was like notorious for kind of like folding at 45 he goes up to 55 and he becomes unstoppable. Hmm Yeah, no, it's uh I'm surprised he ever sucked down to that to begin with it's pretty he's so big that he was getting making 185 and then fighting at

226 That's even more aggressive than the Costa cuts, I think. Yes. Yeah. I think he had the most aggressive weight cut. Now it's pretty marginal. Now I think he gets into the low 220s, like 222, and then he cuts 15. Not that bad for a big guy with a lot of muscle.

Dude, Costa needs to go back to brawling. Yeah He used to be so exciting and now it's just kind of like has different strategies each time And then I don't know it just doesn't seem to be working out It's hard to know what happens to a guy when he gets really owned Yeah, cuz that's the thing. Oh, you think he's like psychologically just I don't think he's the same guy like that's the guy who walked down Yo, El Romero and we're like oh my god yo El Romero met a bigger freak than him because regardless of whether or not you think cost is juicy that guy's got Extraordinary genetics, you know I mean that's why he's such a beautiful man perfect features like incredible frame

This frames incredible and whether or not he's juicy the the reality is the guy has And whether or not he's juicy, the reality is, the guy has insane genetics, and he was a fucking warrior, especially in that Yoel Romero fight. Yoel's terrifying to everybody, and Costa just walked him down and beat his ass, and that was not a close fight. It was primarily a stand-up fight, which is where Yoel's the most scary,

and Costa was in no danger. He beat the shit out of Yoel Romero, but then he fought a guy who was just way more slick. And Adesanya just was piecing him up in a way where he couldn't respond. He just, he was making, he was, what he was doing was a very effective strategy on people that weren't as skillful as Adesanya. But that strategy, Adesanya was easily exploiting.

He was like exploiting with distance and with feints and distant management and Chopping at the legs and just he had him all fucked up by the end of the first round He was realizing I can't touch this guy and he keeps hitting me and when he would touch Izzy Izzy would be rolling with the punches or he blocked the kick and just move away from it as he's getting hit and then just Keep stabbing at him from a distance. And it was just, he was too good. That's Izzy in his prime when he was at the top of the food chain. And at that moment, he felt he fought the best Israel Adesanya that's ever been.

And that's like we were talking about like, how good does a guy compete in that one step, this gap of a couple of years or three years where he's just it is prime. I think that was what it was that was Izzy in his prime which is one of the greatest fighters of all time against Paulo Costa who just didn't have the answers to that and once you've been bested like that and guy dry humps you when you're down he beats your ass TKOs you and then humps you you just like I thought I was the man yeah so then he has all these doubts and then humps you. You just like, I thought I was the man. So then he has all these doubts. And then he goes into the next fights,

he missed weight for one fight, fought at 205. Remember when he fought, who the fuck did he fight? God damn it, Marvin Vettori. He fought Marvin Vettori and they were supposed to be fighting at 185 and they fought at like 205 and he still looked like he was out of shape Yeah, he looked like he's mentally all fucked up from that fight Yeah, I can imagine the downward spiral that you would have to try and contend with as well after you like

Go from top ranked. I think he's lost like three in a row. It's crazy I'd like to see him get back into form, but I don't know if he can anymore, you know I don't know if you're psychologically the same guy Did you watch CGI? What is that the Craig Jones invitation? Oh, yeah, I was thinking what does the CGI stand for? Yeah, I watched it yeah, what do you think well, I think it's great that these guys are getting a lot of money I think that's awesome. Yeah, it's kind of crazy. They decided to compete against Abu Dhabi in the same weekend I thought that was kind of nuts

But I guess if you want to be controversial and Craig is certainly controversial and you want to get a lot of attention It got a lot of attention and then of course the money I mean he came into the studio with three million dollars in cash was it three. Yeah, wasn't it? Was one million? Oh, it's one man, okay, but even that gave up They gave out three billion dollars right so three three different divisions got a million dollars So he brought in a million dollars in a duffel bag which I've never seen that before It's crazy to look at no. Yeah, it's You know it's fun Craig's fun. It's funny guy fucking hilarious. He's the most hilarious guy in jujitsu

Yeah, he's like really silly. He's very self-deprecating and he's super skillful. I mean his jujitsu is like second best in the world. He always talks about it. He named his team the B team. He's not gonna beat Gordon. You know Gordon is a freak and Gordon is like a real psychopath. Like Gordon trains every day of the week. Gordon versus Nicky Nikki Rod who wins Gordon No question. Yeah, Gordon's better. He's just better. Nikki Rod might get to Gordon's level one day Mm-hmm. I mean, but if they're not training together, I don't know if he will

You know, I don't know if he's training with you. Look he's beat him every time they faced him Yeah, and Nikki did catch him in a footlock, but Gordon's like, go ahead, break my foot. I'm still gonna win. And he submitted him easily in Abu Dhabi. And when they had their second match, Gordon was alleging he was greasy. Like he was difficult to get ahold of. And that's been something that people have said

about Nikki before. But it might be oily food, I don't know. I don't know, I don't know what's going on. But I know guys did that. I know guys would take baths, this was in the early days, like the pride days, they would lay in a bathtub filled with baby oil. So they would lay in this bathtub with water

and like fucking gallons of like pee diddy style, ha, good. Pee diddy style fucking, like just supplies of baby oil in that water and they bathe in it Then they would wash themselves off dry themselves off and then to the touch their skin would not feel like oil at all Until they start sweating and then when they start sweating they would be like a fish just you just couldn't grab them Oh, yeah, yeah that was the thing that it was alleged that certain strikers from Brazil used to do before they fought and guys just could not get a hold of them. They would just be so slippery. You couldn't take them down. If

you take them down you couldn't hold them down. You just slip right out of your hands like a bar soap. And how would you avoid, do they screen for that somehow in the UFC? The problem is what I'm saying that you could oil your skin up and then wash it and They would still be in your pores and you wouldn't even be able to detect as long as you were dry They would rub you with like a cloth or something. Nope. There's nothing on his skin Like what unless they have like baby oil detection wipes that you then send to a laboratory To find out this person put baby oil on

So are you never allowed to put baby oil on or find out this person put baby oil on. So are you never allowed to put baby oil on or are you only allowed to put baby oil on until the week of the fight? Like when are we gonna say no baby oil ever for a person? What if they like baby oil? What if they like cocoa butter? What do you, so it's weird.

It's weird and so the solution to that is everybody has to wear long sleeve rash guards and spats That's the solution and that's what they should do So the best way to stop these greasers is you put them in leggings leggings and tights simple Yeah, remember that was like a bit of a controversy at least in early UFC. It was like oh, yeah Yeah, I know guys greased I 100% I can tell you 100% guys greased even like between rounds the two I know one guy who didn't just grease he put Vicks vapor rub all over his chest And then he would grab guys and pull their head into his chest So you'd be getting sweat and Vicks Vapo rub in your eyes and

he'd be kneeing you in the face. That's fucking crazy. Crazy. Yeah. Well when they weren't testing for things, dudes did a lot of dirty shit. Yeah. I heard another story, I can't substantiate, I will say no names, but a guy allegedly gave blood to make weight.

So he didn't give blood blood but had blood removed from his body and chilled in his room so that he can make weight and then went back up to his room and got that blood put back in his body after his body is probably you know resupplied itself with a significant amount of it depending on how much time it is between the fact they withdraw the blood I don't know how long how much time but you could think about like how much weight blood is yeah and if you can get like you know how much time you... But you could think about how much weight blood is. And if you can get like, how much can you take while you're still conscious? I don't know. But you take these bags of blood and keep them chilled and then let your body refill and re-proliferate with blood and then go back

into the room and now you're blood doping with your own blood. Totally undetectable and you made weight with blood cutting Yeah, and that's like another microdose Vector that people use still to this day blood all against blood transfusions Well, that's what there's probably multiple factors where you're not allowed to get IVs and that might be one of them You know, yeah But it's like detecting that is always just through your data that they have to assess or they assess for like plastics in your bloodstream, which you can get around just by storage technique.

Right. Plastics in your bloodstream, would you get around that if you injected it with a glass vial and a needle as opposed to like a bag? Some people are like freezing as opposed to just like storing it in liquid format and then whatever you're storing it in It can all make a difference in terms of like easing it. Yeah, you can freeze your blood and then put it back in Yeah, whoa. Yeah, like thought I don't obviously but how weird is that super weird? How long is your blood good for that's a good question, but I would imagine longer if you're freezing it Jesus Christ the things people do just to get a little bit of an advantage. Yeah, but it works man. I guess yeah. Yeah. And it's like at least of the doping methods like one of the least easy to detect because there's no like

substance that is stimulating anything. It's just your own blood that was supposed to be there. Right, so the only way they'd be able to detect is to detect whether or not you've had an IV. Yeah, well it would be like they'd look at your biological passport data and see unusual elevation of hemoglobin hematocrit probably around an event and you would also see a disproportionate suppression of reticulocytes, which are like immature red blood cells. Because if your body has similar to testosterone, if you administer it, you stop producing naturally.

So if you put in exogenous blood, you're going to suppress the natural production of red blood cells because you have an adequate supply. So you would have a disproportionate ratio between like blood cells Oxygen carrying capacity markers and immature blood cells and it's like why is this differential so significant all of a sudden? We're at it might flag an atypical finding and get further scrutiny And yeah with blood transfusions because there's no way to really prove anything oftentimes penalizations occur based on like anything, oftentimes penalizations occur based on like, it looks so fucked up that we have to penalize you because we assumed you did it. Like how would they detect that? Like I think it's just such an aberrant finding that's different

from everything you've ever showed in your data that you must have cheated. Right, so the biological passport. Yeah, because it's like with other compounds like testosterone you need to have like Confirmation via isotope ratio mass spec or whatever but with blood it's like what did you do? Like there's no compound to prove was or wasn't there. It's just like the blood but it is illegal, right? so you'd have a nurse that can keep their mouth shut or Significant other who is a nurse or a myriad of different things. And some of this stuff isn't like hard to really learn either. Like it's actually a pretty good profession is learning how to take, like some people

do phlebotomy as like a low barrier to entry, high paying job. So like being somebody who takes blood is like, there's not much of a requirement from like credentials to be able to do and it pays well per hour. Mm, yeah and if you had a family member who's a phlebotomist and they could hook that up. Yeah. Yeah. What are the other different ways that they can get it? Like how rock solid is like,

let's forget about drug sport what they have now but the USADA protocol that they were using before how what are the best ways to get around that? Well because they weren't actually testing almost at all for EPO and GH. What percentage were they testing for it? You probably have to ask Hunter to confirm but my understanding was like best-case scenario you were getting EPO tested if somebody like Reported you as like, you know, there's a bunch of people trying to out you as a cheater

And it was just a finance thing. Is this a I think it was a lot finance and time intensive and because it some of this testing is not as rudimentary and crude as just detection of synthetic steroids in your urine. You have to actually manually do work to combust down and assess the ratio. And there's nuance in interpreting this stuff too. Because a lot of times, you will have an expert who has a different opinion than another expert

in terms of if it looks weird. So you have to like bring in multiple opinions too maybe of experts who then kind of come to a consolidated answer on did you cheat or not. And it gets pretty complicated. So doing this at scale on a sport that has no off season with people globally competing, pretty fucking costly for sure to do properly. Well the MMA conspiracy theorists, they always point to people doing their camps in far away lands. Like what a good way to cheat. Because if you want to do a camp in Dagestan, how many times have you saw it going to Dagestan?

And what happens to those guys when they get over there and they get smacked up by those bearded dudes Wake up at 6 o'clock in the morning. Yeah, they'll feed you their goats. Yeah, we talking about fuck you come back tomorrow Yeah, fuck you yeah, no it's uh Also, they probably know when you're there. Yeah, we got that town wired. There's absolutely Logistical problems that lead to Lower barriers for certain people. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, like do you camp in Thailand son? Yeah, for sure you gotta wonder like I would like to see like what are what's the data on people that do their camp in? Thailand how often are they tested versus a guy who's got a camp in Iowa. And even like the rigor of the person who's hired

to do the testing, because it's like how, you know, scrutinous is whoever you're outsourcing your hiring in that area to, like, you know, they could be like a local who is, you know, like pledged allegiance to that fucking, you know, whatever. So I don't know, man. It's tough for sure because there's no way to like truly bulletproof it, I think, but at least the UFC developments as of recent, they've confirmed they're doing like isotope ratio mass spec and actually

doing some of the higher level testing for bioidenticals that could catch the microdosing and the things that are very difficult to detect. Stuff is still gonna squeeze through for sure, but it's gonna be better than it was where they were either not doing it or then letting people do it maybe and then asking them to be fucking snitches for them. It used to be back in the day that there was always rumors of like big camps that would hire scientists and that you know, they would figure out ways around Dude, that is a growing profession. Is it? Oh, yeah There's like so many pharmacology nerds who are like like I've even been asked to help people in the Olympics before Really? Yeah. Wow

Because you're a pharmacological nerd. Yeah And so these these people ask you to cheat for them to help them cheat Yeah, which is also a criminal offense my understanding due to there's actually a law now. It's like the Rod Chankov act or something Oh, wow, so if you like help somebody you're also Doing a crime. Oh Wow. Yeah. So, you know, obviously not worth doing for me. Obviously.

I never did it. Well, especially something like the Olympics. There's no money in it. You're not making any money. Which is crazy. Yeah. Crazy. It's like pure pride for winning a medal.

It's pure exploitation. That's what it is. Because it's not like there's no money. Like, why are you making all the money? Well, these people are noble. They don't want to get paid like no you're just not paying them They don't even know how much money there was because in 1936 there was no money. All right, there was no sponsors. There's no nothing Yeah, I remember was no TV. Yeah, that's it Okay, the bill makes it unlawful to knowingly influence or attempt to conspire to influence a major international sports competition by use of prohibited substance or prohibited method a

violator is subject to criminal penalties a fine prison term of up to ten years or both and mandatory restitution. Yeah. Interesting. So yeah there's definitely and when you hear about stuff like this too it's like there's always the thought in the back of your mind as a competitor, what are people doing that I'm not? And curiosity strikes. What do you think is the answer? What's like the non-ideological, when you look at it objectively, you say, you know what?

What we should be doing is doing everything that works. Or what we should be doing is have the most insane testing that everybody has to be 100% natural, no if-ands or buts and there's no cheating that's really hard because I too have the same questions you had of the enhanced games where it's like oh we're gonna have you know medical assessments that ensure safety and blah blah blah but it's like if you're going full board it's impossible to be healthy and say yeah yeah so like as much as you could argue it's probably better to not be using Frankenstein designer drugs or

doing weird methods to get around cheating the alternative is not necessarily like far superior in terms of health because if I'm allowed to use a gram of test you know like I'm not to stop at 200 Migs, you know, like I'm going to go full full fucking sauce to the tits. So yeah, if you can get a physiological benefit of being on trend and just fucking completely roided out of your mind, yeah, become like a fucking dopaminergic psycho and just like, you know, you will absolutely take that risk regardless of what it does to you. Yeah, especially if you're trying to win, right?

If people are willing to cheat when it's really dangerous, you could lose the medal and you can get outed and publicly shamed like Ben Johnson. Or you don't have to worry about that because they're allowing you to, but they would like you to take like a sustainable dose. And you're like, fuck you with your sustainable. I'm trying to be number one, bitch. Yeah. Give me it all. I love the idea of the enhanced games, the way but it's like at least my

concern would be what happens when you put up no guardrails and then alternatively if there are guardrails now it's set up for corruption at the medical provider level who's assessing what you're healthy enough to do and like you know are you going in to get your blood drawn at the trough point after injections where things look like they're half out of your system versus before? Like, it's almost like a new level of doping

that would be introduced. Right, right, right. And I'm sure they're very well-spoken, eloquent guys who are on top of that stuff, and I'm sure have answers to that, or, you know know have some idea of what they're going to do but like those would be my questions as to and I'm not saying it needs to be safe right you know it might just come down to accepting that this is the fucking chemical

warfare games right yeah which there's nothing wrong with that if you're going to expose yourself to that risk people do that in bodybuilding all the time. That's like literally what bodybuilding is. Yeah. Yeah, that's what's crazy, right? Bodybuilding is huge sport is not possible without illegal drugs. And there's no Rodchenko Vect for bodybuilding either. So there's like literal, the guru stuff is crazy in bodybuilding. Well, how do they get away with it since it's completely illegal? Well, I mean like obviously you're going to jail. If I'm a guy who's arresting people who are on steroids, I go to the Mr. Olympia. I'm like, you're all in jail. Yeah.

Yeah. You'd think if you wanted to just, like, hit your quota for the year, you'd just show up to the Olympia Expo and just be like, all of you, get in the fucking car. Get in the paddy wagon. Yeah. Yeah. I don't know, man.

That's a. How'd you get it? When it comes to possession in the States and, and like how scrutinous they are on anabolic I think it's mostly if you're importing mass amounts that will flag you because you're likely a distributor at that point Okay, so if it's like personal amounts Typically you would buy it domestically to not like red flag yourself because I think in in the mail You can't even have your mail get checked if it's domestic so if you are buying from you know the

other side of the country no one would know that you were sent anything it's only if you're buying like growth hormone from China or something and you have a get flagged and you have enough kits that happen to get flagged in customs then they keep a note on your record of this guy might be doing something. So he might be a steroid dealer. Yeah. And then they'll have sting operations and try and figure out who's actually distributing. Because they have resource allocation bandwidth problems too.

So they have to go after the big fish. Right. So. Do guys go to Mexico and bring them across the border? Not anymore. Are they used to? Oh yeah, back in the day. Yeah, people would like smuggle it up their ass to get it here.

Jesus Christ. Imagine taking Trent that was in a guy's asshole. Dan Bilzerian used to, he talked about how when he was in Buds, he would like go with his buddies to get gear from Mexico and then they'd smuggle it up their asses back into the US. Jesus Christ. What. Yeah bottle broke Fucking yikes, but whole glass cuts, buddy. I watched that in a video. It's called one guy one cup Oh, yeah, ever seen that one no back in the lively

I saw the og variance of that and never what I I can't watch another one guy one cup is way more horrifying This guy's a mason jar up his asshole Oh breaks. I think it's a mason jar some kind of a jar up his asshole And it breaks and it's just with chunks of broken glass and blood fall onto the ground as he squashed It's horrible, but I watched it multiple times There's a lot of crazy people in this world. Yeah, do you think that I I'm of the opinion Let me just say what I Do you think that, I'm of the opinion, let me just say what I think, I think that most substances should be legal and I think people should be able to figure out what's good and what's bad. There's a lot of things that are legal, like Adderall's

legal, I don't take Adderall. I'm 99% sure I have ADHD, I don't even know what it is. I don't even know if it's real. I think it's probably a superpower. But if I went to a doctor and I was complaining about I can't focus on any one thing, I'm all over the place, they'd probably give me some. And that would have legal stimulants. I don't think, it's probably think it's not good for you, so I don't take it. But I could, right? Why is that legal and cocaine is not?

Like why is this legal and that's not? Why is whiskey legal and marijuana is not? This doesn't make any sense to me. Why is Xanax legal, psilocybin's not? Like what are we doing? Who gets to decide? Well you could argue that well that's the reason why clinical trials exist which assess you know safety profiles of these drugs and they wouldn't make it through otherwise but like obviously we've seen that that's not. Once you get financial interest involved it's kind of hard to overlook that a lot of shit makes it through that probably shouldn't have and stuff that maybe should have made

it through didn't make it through. So, you know, like I am of the opinion that you should be able to take what you want and be educated about it. Hopefully first it's tough though, because it's like if you have a guy who's like, I don't know, manic and he has access to like meth and like pharmacorade meth at that or something. Which it actually exists too. Oh yeah. And you end up with like a Hitler or something. Yeah. Yeah. The trend thing, is that the worst one psychologically? From anabolic steroids I would say probably that and then maybe secondary

You know some people could argue halo testin is a drug that Supposedly Mike Tyson was using when he bit the Vanderhoof He'll do you know yeah, and it makes you like fucking short-term acutely extremely angry What how did you hear that he was using that I don't remember exactly? I think it was like he didn't test positive for it I think it was just like highly room like a very prevalent rumor, but I free they probably exactly. I think it was like, uh, he didn't test positive for it. I think it was just like highly room, like a very prevalent rumor, but I forget. They probably didn't test for it though either, right? No, it was back then. It was really easy to get around like oral steroid detection back then as well,

if they were even testing for it. Um, but yeah, I don't even know if they were testing back then. Yeah. The trend is, uh, the worst offender for your psychological state, not just because the drug is Bad, but it also like ruins your sleep So you get like trend cough I mentioned but trend sweats is another one where it almost induces like a menopause like hot flash Sweating in your sleep and you wake up just fucking drenched

And I like really fucks up your sleep and it makes you hyper paranoid as well which is no good because even though you're this jacked sometimes confident guy others you're like you're unreasonably insecure and you like a very common outcome is for guys to think their girlfriends are cheating on them just out of nowhere by being on trend. And they end up becoming, you know, oddly behaving. Sexual deviancy is also a very common... I've heard of that. Yeah, on trend. And it's thought to be the progestogenic activity because it's derived from nandrolone, which is a progesterone receptor agonist as well and progesterone is thought to be very implicated in gay sexual tendencies as you grow up if you had a heightened exposure to progesterone and utero and

Highly dopaminergic drug as well, which in excess can cause like a really weird sexual deviancy as well And yeah, it's like really fucking potent good at at what it does. It builds lean mass and it's like a really dry compound, doesn't make you watery. Also has a unique anti-catabolic effect. So you don't, in a deficit, you keep muscle and sometimes even grow while you're cutting. And yeah, so it's not like steroids don't all do that to some degree more or less But this drug is like uniquely potent in its anti catabolic action to where you could be like Extremely nutrient-deprived and still hold on to a lot of your muscle Wow, and because it's so good at making you extremely strong too without an excess of body weight

It's like highly sought after in many sports Because you don't have to worry about jumping up in weight class while you're getting the strength increase that is humongous. Wow. Yeah. So it was one of the drugs that was used in the Dutchess cocktail, which is what Rod Chankov would have his athletes swish around in their mouth. Oh, really?

Yeah. It was absorbed bucally. Whoa. So it was like, it was almost like the equivalent of IV in the drug right into your bloodstream You would swish it around your mouth and this alcohol and it would absorb eucaly into the bloodstream immediately So you wouldn't have to actually have it go into your stomach and then get processed through a first-pass metabolism So you could get in and out of your system way faster Wow Wow So why is that one good for fighters? I would think that like getting super emotional though.

Yeah you could argue that the emotional instability is not good. Yeah. But paranoia makes you very aggressive. The psychoactive effects in the gym can be very helpful for training and stress resilience. And some people, it's not everyone who becomes paranoid on it. It's highly individual dependent. Some people, you will often hear people say, oh, people overblow the side effects of trans, not that bad. And then other people who will say it ruined their life. So it's highly individual dependent like any drug, but it's very good at making you extremely

fucking strong without blowing you up with water retention and staving off loss of tissue while weight cutting as well there's another factor that comes with steroid users and that's the addiction to the feeling of being on steroids yeah because once they get off steroids and they don't feel like Superman anymore they get real weirded out. Yeah, and they want to get back on again. I've seen that. Oh, yeah, dude. It's a the thing that will often kill people is the desire to maintain these huge sizes in perpetuity too, because it's like a ultimately steroid use often stems from like body image insecurity.

So if you achieve the outcome you sought with this thing, to think that you're going to be a confident person after you've lost the 30, 40 pounds of lean that you gained, you were already probably somewhat mentally not perfect to begin with. Except Dorian Yates. Oh, yeah, but he is. He's a unique cat.

Yeah, he is. He's lost all the weight. way looks like a normal athlete now Yeah, healthy. Yeah, he had me on his podcast This year and he said Anytime he's done seminars and people ask if he misses being a mass monster. He says they're more upset about it than I am He has a unique perspective on it which is really cool to see it's very intelligent Yeah, yeah, very calm and you know, just the way he approaches things But goddamn dude when that guy was getting after it he was he was one of the original freaks

We're one of the first guys we were just like what like that's what they're pushing it to now Yeah, he left humanity behind dude. He was so big He was ridiculous if you think about what he looked like versus what Arnold looked like just a couple of decades earlier. Oh, night and day. Yeah, you could argue he was like the catalyst almost to a heightened standard of amount of muscle

you need to be competitive. I mean, he was so big, he blew his bicep out and competed in one with a torn bicep. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. With like a hole inicep. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. With like a hole in his arm. Yeah, that's fucked up when you get that big and you have to like worry about

exploding your fucking muscle every workout because you're so strong. And that's what you need the lift to get the stimulus. Like that's crazy stuff. Well, Ronnie Coleman's the crazy example of the price you pay for that. Like that guy's all fucked up now. Yeah, yeah, it makes you wonder

if he would have been the bodybuilder he was if he just trained higher volume and like used higher reps, less weight. Yeah. Because literature now suggests that you don't need to necessarily train like that. Look at the difference between the two of them. Yeah, it's crazy. Arnold on the left

and Dorian on the right. Dorian's twice his size. Yeah. His fucking back, dude. That's crazy. crazy that back is it not that Arnold isn't insane he was fucked pretty insane I actually think Arnold looks better yeah he's more aesthetic sure look at his back look at Dorian Yates back and look at Ronnie Coleman's back yeah jeez these guys were huge Ronnie was crazy, but Dorian was like weirdly thick. Look how thick his fucking muscles are, man. First of all, judging guys that are that big, good luck.

I don't get it. They all look awesome. They all look crazy. Dude, it's even harder judging a bikini show. So there's different classes at the Olympia, including women's bikini, and there's like a few poses. We'll pull up a comparison of theia, including women's bikini. And there's like a few poses. We'll pull up a comparison of the women's Olympia for bikini. What is the bikini versus regular Olympia?

Well, it's just like the best bikini competitors against each other for the Olympia crown of bikini category. What's the bikini category versus the regular Miss Olympia category? Miss Olympia is like bodybuilding. Oh, this isn't bodybuilding? Well, it's like a form of bodybuilding, but it's not the actual category. Right. This is women who still look feminine.

So like, right, put it this way with men, there's different categories. There's open men's bodybuilding, classic physique and men's physique. And each of them has like an incremental noticeable difference in the amount of muscle you need to be competitive. And in women, similar differences exist in categories where they have women's bikini, wellness, something else. And then bodybuilding is the one where you pretty much need to be on like male level steroids to be competitive.

And this is a reality of female bodybuildingbuilding that a lot of female bodybuilders look I know female jujitsu competitors who take steroids, which is that's crazy There's not even any money in that yeah, you're juicing yourself up But if you want to get that lean and maintain that much muscle as a woman like what do they take? Well for bikini you might be able to do it naturally all but most of them are probably still taking a little bit something But it's not like masculinizing. There's a lot of things they can take that are natural or over-the-counter or Like super micro dosed amounts of anabolic that don't cause masculinization but above that the thresholds for categories above that are like

If you go to women's bodybuilding like it looks like you remember it where it's you know dudes with wigs on basically Yeah, I mean they've they're trans men basically yeah like based on their hormone profile They are more male than you and I probably whoa God look at that lady. That's crazy Is she miss Olympia? She number one that's women's physique too that's not women's bodybuilding what yeah so this is like a different category that's less muscle and bodybuilding so what's women's bodybuilding that lady probably

who's Miss Olympia I do they still have women's bodybuilding? I think they do. Hmm. Yeah that might be it. Look at that lady down the lower left-hand. Jeez those ladies are huge. Oh my goodness that's gotta be it. Those are dudes. That's a dude's body. Like size-wise. Yeah. Not saying you're a dude ladies. Don't hurt me. Yeah by the way it's uh you know more power to anybody who wants to do Whatever they want. It's just like the reality of the exposure to these hormones is they are Masculinizing and you can blame Biden for that Wow, yeah, because he stopped the development of them and by now we probably have non

Masculinizing drugs that work as well as the ones that make you a dude. Oh my god Have you ever thought about bailing out of Canada? Dude, I would love to. I've considered it, but there's weird stuff around like unrealized capital gains and exit taxes and shit that basically traps you there. Really? Yeah. So like I could physically be president in the States and live here maybe for six months of a year, but to to get out of the system fully, you've got to pay the piper on every company you've ever built, even if you don't have the money from it, because you never sold it.

There's gains that were made in Canada, the value of it that you have to pay on. It's like, how do you pay for it? I don't have any fucking cash, because I didn't sell the company. So they make it very difficult to leave the country. Yeah. Yeah. And maybe that changes with Pierre. I don't know. and sell the company. So they make it very difficult to leave the country. Yeah, yeah.

And maybe that changes with Pierre, I don't know, but like one of the main problems with the economy is there's no incentive for business owners that are doing well to stay. Like everything is structured around how do I get around this fucking system, not how do I stay here. So like I know personally, every friend I have as successful has either already left or has tried to find a way to leave. Actually I know one person who hasn't, but he's like really entrenched in the system

and like it would be impossible to unwind at this point. So I don't know how much of it is he actually wants to be there or, like it's a beautiful place to live in, British Columbia for example, but like Yeah, it's fucking cost of living is obscene and the tax on that Some kids were doing a tick-tock with food at a Canadian supermarket like a bunch of chicken wings and how much it was Oh the dollar too is horrible. It's like a dollar every dollar in US currency equates to

140 Canadian whoa. Yeah, so your dollar goes super far in Canada and then 40 Jesus and then to buy Like I don't know a shit a shitty shack fucking house. That's not even a house in Vancouver. It's like millions of dollars Yeah Yes. Yeah. Yeah, I think the cost of living is only exceeded maybe in real estate by like New York maybe. Wow. Yeah. It's like one of the worst offenders on the planet for cost of a home. So basically back in the day our parents one of the main ways to become financially stable was getting early on a property and build equity in it and

eventually you'd have a, you know, something that accrued in so much value from since you got it that, like, that's your main nest egg or whatever. Yeah. Nowadays, it's not even possible to afford the lowest threshold of a mortgage on like a Place that's not even nice. So you have like family staying in like 500 square foot apartments with big families because they can't afford anything It says impossibly unaffordable housing report ranks Vancouver third most expensive in the world. Yeah Hong Kong and Sydney. Well, Sydney, that's interesting.

Huh, I would never suspected Sydney, Australia to be that expensive. That's nuts. Yeah. Oh listen brother, anything else you want to talk about before we bail out of here? I think it was a good one. Yeah, that was, yeah. A lot of fun. Yeah, thanks for having me, man. I appreciate you as always. What's that, Jamie? Miss Olympia Wellness we missed out on. What's that? A focus on the lower body. What? Oh, butts. Yeah, top half doesn't matter. Oh yeah, so I was gonna say. Top half doesn't matter, for real?

Yeah. Shut the fuck up. Why are they standing face forward then? The glutes and hips. Let's see them glutes. It definitely matters, but not as much as. Yeah, it's not focused, I should say. Yeah.

So anyway, watching the posing roots. You were saying it's hard to judge men's bodybuilding with women It's at least with the bikini category, especially their hair is really long and they have extensions too to make it look even longer So when they turn around basically the only thing you can judge is like ass down essentially because their whole back is covered by hair Oh, that's weird. Yeah, so it's like a pageant for your butt Their whole back is covered by hair. Oh, that's weird. Yeah, so it's like a pageant for your butt I'm all in no I could by the way like any bikini competitors probably fucking furious with that statement There's absolutely on trend Probably not but like they're judged on other things, but that's a the main factor

Okay, all right, man., been a lot of fun. More plates, more dates on YouTube. What is your website? Yeah, moreplatesmoredates.com. Anything else? No, that's it. Thanks for having me. Alright, my pleasure, brother.

Always good to see you. Alright, bye everybody. Thanks for watching!