The Joe Rogan Experience - #2248 - Michael Waddell

Episode Date: December 26, 2024

Michael Waddell is a hunter, TV personality, and outdoor enthusiast, best known as the founder and host of the popular hunting show "Bone Collector." www.michaelwaddell.com Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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Non-vegan? Yeah. How do they know Bigfoot's not a vegan? See I don't know. I mean but I think he's got canines like us so there's a good chance that he does eat meat. I think hunters are the number one argument against Bigfoot being real. I've never met a hunter who's seen Bigfoot.

No in his mouth, especially some of your guests you've had on, and on top of, I mean, even myself, and now you spend a lot of times in some pretty desolate places, and all the trail cameras. We should have gotten one picture. Yeah, trail cameras throw a big monkey wrench at that Bigfoot thing. I agree. And I'm always, it's still the conspiracy that I'm still, every time I check, especially when you're getting those deep dark places out west and all throughout the country and even the south, I'm thinking maybe just this time.

It would be fun. Yeah. It would be fun, but it's just, it's very unlikely. Do you mean, there's only like two jaguars in the United States and they know exactly where they are. Well, that's exactly right. Yeah. I was thinking back and even listening, like you had like you had Ranella, of course, Cam,

a lot of my hunting buddies and people I look up to as well, Remy Warren, all those guys. And you start thinking about the amount of time we spend in the woods and we don't even see a mountain lion. Right. Or you talk about the wolves. All these wolves are starting to be reintroduced and you still don't see them a lot of times. They're there. But then again, you capture them on trail cameras in the middle of the night. But yet, Yeti or Sasquatch,

only Jack Link's beef jerky has seen them. I saw them on the Super Bowl commercial. Yeah, they're in a lot of commercials. They're in movies. I think they used to be real. I think it used to be a real thing. I mean, they know there's a thing called the gigantopithecus that lived somewhere around 100,000 years ago. There was a bipedal hominid that was 8 to 10 feet tall Holy cow look in the orangutan family. I think they believe it was that'd be something to get Graham Hancock on We need to get him back to find that that creature. He's he's busy. He's busy with a lot of other shit It's like just trying to sort out the past busy with a lot of other shit. It's like just trying to sort out the past, trying to sort out human history.

That was some of the most intriguing. I was dug deep into that and then went because of hearing him on the podcast and went and watched, just finished season two, watched season one soon after I'd seen him here first. It's pretty compelling. It's pretty amazingly compelling. Yeah. Well, and once you realize first of all that There's real physical evidence that something happened around 11,800 years ago that the earth was most likely pounded with

Asteroid debris. Yeah, and it probably fucks civilization up pretty bad and it can happen again makes complete sense Yeah, you know it's I mean here hearing his perspective on it and how he researched it, and it's from the standpoint there's, you know, as we know, politics and everything gets involved in everything, you know, and it's just almost like he was a journalistic, really smart, intellectual guy who was intrigued. It's just a good approach, the way he studied it to me, that made it even more compelling. And then the findings he did find, I don't know, I was very intrigued by it. You know how he really got into it?

No. He got into it researching the Ark of the Covenant. Really? Yeah. Because in Ethiopia, there's a specific church in Ethiopia that has always been rumored to be the place where the Ark of the Covenant is stored. And there's these guarders of this, these people that are guards of this area, and they all develop cataracts, they

all have like radiation poisoning, and they're guarding this one particular area. They won't let anybody look at it, they won't let anybody talk about it, and Graham got fascinated by this. They started doing a deep dive into history and historical accounts of the Covenant and the Ark and all these bizarre stories that have lasted throughout history. And the real evidence that there was really sophisticated societies that lived thousands and thousands of years ago when we kind of assumed that people were hunters and gatherers. Egypt is great example of that. Like whatever they were doing there is fucking insane, right? I mean the structures that they made still today we look at him and go what the hell were you guys doing?

Yeah, how is this made? Yeah, and he believes that society had reached a very very sophisticated level of Technological achievement and then something happened. Mm-hmm And now we're we're living in like a rebuild. Even though we're very sophisticated in terms of technology, our technology has gone in a completely different direction than theirs did. And where did Graham ever, in his conclusion in some of that about the covenant, did he ever think that it's still there? They think it's still there, yeah.

So some people thought it might have burned up in Jerusalem, I think it was. See if you can find where that is, Jamie. It's supposed to be in some church in... Oh, Jamie's already got it. I just had watched something on that, because I'm intrigued by all that kind of stuff. Well, you know, when you really start digging deep into it, it's very fascinating this one particular place has been protected for so long and all these people that have supposedly seen it describe something that's, you know, Trump apparently has like a model of the Ark

of the Covenant in Mar-a-Lago. No way. Yeah, see if you can find that. Yeah, he's got like a recreation of the Ark of the Covenant in Mar-a-Lago. And that whole covenant was pretty cool based on how, you know, God had said, look, you know, had an intervention saying, this is how big it's got to be. It was built out of a certain wood, inside and out, gold, the handles, everything was there to hold the commandments.

And then I, but then I saw something to where, I don't know if Jamie, Jamie and Mike could probably pull it up, but to where some people speculate it could be under the Catholic Church I heard that like in the Vatican or something the Vatican. Yeah, and then and then shit in the back Oh my goodness, you ever been there? No, I haven't but I heard you talk about you went Yeah, it had the guy and said it was amazing. It's incredible They have so much they have billions of dollars in art like where'd you guys steal all this from? dollars in art, like, where'd you guys steal all this from? Back in the Roman days. Look at this. This is Trump's replica of the Ark of the Covenant at Mar-a-Lago. Pretty fucking wild.

And it's almost exactly the replica of what it's assumed to have been looked like, you know? Well, I mean, I think that's a recreation based on biblical accounts. Absolutely. Very strange. Well, maybe Trump can take us and show it to us man That'd be cool. What'd you say Jamie? I was trying to figure out if I mean clearly it was there might have just been there temporarily It looks like that might be like on display and is oh

So it's a replica that that travels around. Is that what it is? Temporarily, I can't find like that it lives there, but there's definitely obviously people with pictures of it, bro If I had Trump money, I'd have one built. Oh, why not? Come on. I would too. I would too. It's a cool thing to have on display.

I mean, I wonder what it was. I mean, if these guys really are guarding it in Ethiopia, like what is the radiation from? Like why do they all get developing cataracts and radiation sickness? Yeah. And we've all watched Harrison Ford try to find it. Exactly. Exactly. It's so fun try to find it. Exactly, exactly. It's so fun.

It is fun. All that ancient civilization stuff is so fun, because it is really kind of a mystery. And it's fascinating when, and I'm sure you've been hunting before and you found arrowheads. Yes, a lot. When you find one of those, you're picking up this piece of history.

You've got to imagine some Native American was napping this flint on his knee Sitting there who knows how many thousands of years ago exactly they find 3,000 4000 year old arrowheads and you just got to go God what was life like that man? I can only imagine and like where I'm from in Georgia and obviously you and I both love archery But all the arrowheads I find are quartz, so we have very little flint. And I'm not at all historically sound on understanding everything. I mean, I got friends. Actually, Jeff Foxworthy is one of those guys. He lives right down the road. He is

obsessed with Indian artifacts and has an amazing collection. Like, goes across the country. You know, it's hard. You can call Jeff right now. You probably can't get him to Austin to come do this podcast, but then all you gotta do is tell him, hey man, I just plowed up a field and it rained, and we just found two nice flint heads. He'd probably be here tomorrow.

I mean, he loves it. He's eat up with it. This is a dude I know who has a ranch out here and he finds them all the time. It's Comanche territory where his ranch is in the whole country. And he every day, go to that guy's page, Whitworth, J.W. Whitworth, J.M. Whitworth, J.W. Whitworth. I think it's J.W. But he's got incredible arrowheads that he's like just obsessed with

finding them on this ranch. And this ranch apparently was just overrun by the Comanche. It's very fertile and rich and soil is great and a lot of you know water habitat, a lot of deer and so they must have just camped there and lived there for a long time. It's JM but it's also private. Oh it is? Oh he's private now? That's probably because we blew him up. I think that's when he went private because he didn't used to be private but that's some of the things that he finds. See that's amazingly beautiful stuff. He sent me a couple of them. There's a company I found, actually I was in Illinois at this, it was a beer and deer

fest in Illinois and I went by this booth, see that is absolutely gorgeous. Yeah Remy said that that was probably used for fishing. Very well could have been. Because it's so large you said said it's probably used to shoot fish. It seems that a lot of the arrowheads are the ones that was actually attached to shoot with archery were a lot smaller. Some people might argue that, I don't know enough about it, is it a spearhead? I found some heads. Look at this, I found.

Well, that's a spearhead, or that's this, or that. You find somebody like Remy, or I got a friend named Ike Rainey who's really big into artifacts and if you find something, what you think it is, it's kind of like the first time I hunted in Africa, I thought I'd shot a spring buck or I thought I shot a diker and it turned out it was a spring buck. It's like, oh, okay, there's only 7,000 species of animals out here. So I think arrowheads are the same way. It's amazing.

But to think, you're right. I mean think of Somebody sat down thousands and thousands years and napped that out and how many times did they not get it right? You can say that's perfect. Yeah, they probably had to do a lot of them that a lot of them probably broke off wrong Oh, yeah, I mean, it's probably not a very good success rate, especially when you work with Flint Yeah chipping away at it, but when they get good at it, it's such an art. Like when you pick one up, like a real Flint arrowhead guy, there's a lot of guys that make them now though, unfortunately. So there's a lot of forgeries.

Correct. Yeah, a lot of nerds, a lot of archery nerds, they get real good at it, and then just leave them scattered around places or pretend they found them. Exactly. You know? You could do that. You totally could do that, but that's a legit one that was actually pulled out of the ground. It makes me less whine when, you know, like if you're out in Utah and you have success in Elk Woods and you're

butchering an elk and trying to get them packed out when you're just having to resharpen your knives. Like, it's the least I can do is resharpen this knife. Remember these guys had to nap out of head. I mean, how long did that take just to go hunt an elk, you know? Yeah, they lived for thousands of years with no metal. Oh, I know. I'll tell you something's interesting. We hunted a place in Montana where we, it was on the Milk River and they had what they called a buffalo drop on this property. And so if you went to where this buffalo drop was, you could go to the base of it and you could find, there's not, there wasn't any much left now. We used to hunt back in the day, mostly in the, I hadn't been since 2000, I think it was seven or 2010

was the last time I had went out there. But at the base of that, you used to find all kinds of bones, bison bones, buffalo and stuff, but you would sometimes find these little tiny heads and they didn't look like this, which is interesting what Remy brought up. Maybe that was for fishing or something. I don't know. But all the heads we would find

would be tiny little, almost like bird points is what I felt like I wanted to call them. I heard them call before. And supposedly what they did was, is they didn't necessarily, weren't trying to kill the buffalo. They would hurt them and they would just kind of peck them with the arrows and then they would run the buffalo off of this cliff. And so it basically died coming off the cliff. And it was so cool, across the valley you could still see all those stone rings to where supposedly the ladies or the squaws would sit there and look back and as soon as the men basically had whatever amount of buffalo I guess over the drop they would come and butcher and the man would go back and

you know smoke the peace pipe and relax so times have changed a lot. So Remi was telling me about this one site where they had a buffalo drop and the pile of buffalo was so large and there was so much decay that it actually created a fire. It like started on fire because they're all just rotting and fermenting and there's some sort of combustion. And so the entire side of the cliff was black from these buffalo falling off of this place, rotting and then combusting. Trevor Burrus created a fire. Yeah.

I mean, I don't even know how that would work. That's crazy. I don't either, but even know how that would work. That's crazy. I don't either, but I do know that those buffalo drops do exist and it's pretty fascinating. And the place we were hunting is a private landowner. He was a rancher, had some cows, and he was very funny. He did not want us to video on any of our episodes or anything to do. And back then we were videoing... I was working with Bill Jordan and we had a show on TNN back in the day. And he's like, do not bring your cameras. I don't want any

TV cameras around here. He said, because they'll come and all of a sudden they'll set this up as a historical site and I'll have it. So he was really funny about it. So I don't even, I didn't even take a lot of pictures of it because I was always like, Hey, you know, this guy didn't want us to take any pictures and talk about it. But man, every time I'd come back, you know, for morning hunt or we'd go scout, I'd come back and like, man, I want to go to Buffalo Drop. Like, you know, it's like a little kid, like a little 10 year old kid boy scout and like, look at this, here's a head or here's a buffalo horn or skull. And most of everything that would have been there had already been

picked through because it's right off kind of a county road. And so most of the locals knew about it. And of course, you know, he's had kids and grand right off kind of a county road and so most of the locals knew about it and of course you know he's had kids and grandkids just kind of rummaged through it but it was pretty interesting but every time you'd go you'd find something so it's really interesting. It just just really stretches your mind and your imagination to imagine living like that back then and that these people while you know Rome was being built the Colosseum, Europe, all these different places in the world. These people were living the same way people lived tens of

thousands of years ago right here. It's crazy and now it seems like we're so far removed from it, but yet as we talk about it, that romance hadn't left and even getting a chance to chase a bull elk, there's still some amazing, rule-of-wile places out there that we can kind of revisit. And that was the first thing I noticed is all the Native American pictures you had. I hunt a lot with Native Americans, a lot with the Navajo Nation.

I've become like family, or they've become like family to me. I go out there every year, and the resources they have. I know Cam hunts a lot, as at Muskelaro, and different places. And I don't know, man. And even sadly, even amongst the natives, some of that culture is being lost with them more. And so we even go out every year and do a hunt with their kids. We take 15 to 20 Navajo youth hunting every year out there with the Navajo game and fish. They have a

lot of mentors, Gloria Tom, who she's just stepping down, but she was the kind of in charge out there. And we would go and work with people like Jeff Cole and that whole Navajo Nation, the families, and we'd take just their kids, the kids of the Navajo Nation hunting. And sadly enough, they're like a lot of kids in America, eating little debbies and playing Xbox. It's like, man, you got 17 million acres in your backyard. Come on, bro. You're supposed to be the damn eagle. You gotta fly and dip down. I'm even out here, it's your room. And me too, I have all kinds of Native Americans.

My heroes were Native American hunters, like Ishii, who taught Pope and Young how to bow hunt. He's who got him. Oh, really? Yeah, Ishii out of California. I think he come back and he basically taught those guys who were doctors, he introduced them to bow hunting. And then Pope and Young, as we kill an elk,

we think, oh, is he big enough to go Pope and Young? Right, explain to people what Pope and Young is for people who don't know what we're talking about. Pope and Young is, so basically Pope and Young were two guys that basically just kind of revolutionized archery as we know it a lot of times. I mean, obviously throwing around names, you got to talk about Fredbear and stuff like that.

But prior to that, there was an Indian named Ishi out of a California tribe. And I'm not good enough at remembering exactly what tribe that was, but there's a lot of cool information that you can read. Obviously, if you ever get your hands on Saxton Pope and Arthur Young, any books, it's fascinating. My favorite book of all time is called The Adventurous Bowman. A friend of mine, Jeff Johnson, who's a writer, gave it to me. I read it all the time. Even my kid, I read him that book at night.

This talks about their first venture into Africa and when they went there, when they hunted grizzly, when they hunted elk the first time. These guys were kind of, based on what I can assume seemed to be pretty much city slickers who had basically a patient called Ishii who taught them how to hunt. Pictures of him, you can still see him, he looks like he's dressed at a Ted Nugent concert in 1969, jumping off the amps. So yeah, now that's become similar to Boone and Crockett. Pope and Young is an organization that's formed around, you know, celebrating certain animals that are trophy aspect. And if you get a, you know, say a whitetail deer that nets 125 inches

on the Pope and Young scale, you can enter them into the Pope and Young record books. And every category of species like elk, bear, caribou, moose, so on and so forth, has that. And so it's just kind of to celebrate a lot of the heritage of archery. And so Pope and Young, a lot of people don't know it, but that basically is the basis of what it come from. But it starts back to, guess what? A Native American, these arrowheads, they passed it on. And so now we're kind of carrying on that same tradition. And so as a student of the game, it's like, it's so cool to talk about them. There they are. Oh, look at that. Yeah. Wow. Look at that. That's cool. Is there any? Can you find Jamie? Is that issue that looks like

Saxton Pope? There's issue there. Can you imagine? Look at that. You're learning from the source. Yeah. I mean, they and there's so many amazing stories. What year was this? What year was this? Man, I don't even know. It had to have been in the, I don't know, was it 20s? Maybe 1900. I know it was early.

You know what's fascinating when you think about what we enjoy, we enjoy archery. 1912. 1912. So that guy, you know, that is like he was alive in the 1800s. Absolutely. So he was doing that. Like that's literally from the source. And there's another thing and it's crazy to think about this.

Another thing I read and heard told because obviously, you know, you travel around and it's always trying to figure out, you know, what's fact or fiction, but I'd listen to Casey Means on this podcast. We're talking about our food. Supposedly, Ishii, who come in, who was actually living very primitive, but come in and once he started hanging around and got westernized, quickly got fat because I don't know if Little Debbie's was around then. No. The only thing I hated about the whole Casey, that whole podcast, I was like, man, I used to love a good oatmeal pie Now I'm sitting here like I don't know that glass of milk Should I even partake but um, I think he gained a lot of weight started getting a lot sicker

Just and the food back then was so much way better than the food we have now Yeah, just around a lot of people and all of a sudden he was trying to fight Probably viruses and diseases and getting an abundance of a certain food he wasn't used to and supposedly I think he got a little heavier and less healthy just being around. Probably a lot of grains and sugar. Probably, I'm sure. Yeah. He was probably eating mostly meat before that. Probably so.

Just a fish out the creek and backstrap out of a mule deer. The way everybody did for thousands of years. It's just so interesting that if it wasn't for guys like Pope and Young and Fred Bear, I mean, how many people were evangelizing bow hunting back then? I mean, how many people were making it something that was, you know, because as soon as rifles came along, the way everybody looked at it was, oh, rifles are better. You can shoot something further. It's easier to do. You hunt, you hunt with rifles. But to make that choice, this decision that there's something more connected, more spiritual about archery and bow hunting, if it wasn't for those people that were promoting it, people like Fred Bear, who was so articulate in the

way he would describe things and the way he would describe the benefits of just archery practice about how archery just removes your cares. If you could just concentrate on that target and just just practice archery, it cleans your mind and I find that today. I do too. It's almost like you go back in time every time even though we pick up you know these new Hoyt bows you're like oh my god look at the technology. It's a lot more accurate. It is. It's so much more accurate. And so, yeah, it's amazing.

And you're just exactly right. It is spiritual. And to think back of where it was to where it is, but then you think about the rifles and the technology we have there. But keep in mind, I'm sure, you know, in those people who are really hunting for substance, absolutely. If we leave tomorrow and we can't go and get us a nice steak dinner, or we can't go to the grocery store and buy us some chicken or ribeye, whatever it is we decide to eat,

well absolutely. If we're like, hey Joe, your wife and my wife is wanting us to kill a few squirrels, and we're gonna have squirrels and gravy, and my wife makes some good biscuits. It's like, why don't, you know, let's leave the hoits at home. Let's take a 22 and a 410. Let's just go get us a mess of squirrel. And so I think probably they looked at it that way. And once that came about, and then it slowly becomes somewhat of a, I hate to even say it as a sport, because I don't look at it as a sport, it's a culture. I think it's a discipline. It's a discipline. But I think to know that we're still going back and celebrating that,

and still talking about issue and Pope and Young and the Fred Bears and what they set forth and even people like Chuck Adams who was always one of my heroes. Cam and I were talking a lot about that in Texas. Just, golly, Chuck Adams was hunting these elk and always had that little green beanie, shot those double X 78 arrows and man, you ain't nobody. It's like all the kids and even me you know I was this little chubby white kid that thought if I bought

Air Jordans I could jump higher and Michael lied to me. You're a liar Jordan. I can't jump any faster. I can't run any faster. But you know Chuck when I saw those arrows and I'd see that bow I like man I gotta have that I want to be like Chuck you know I want to be like Fred. And so it's just amazing to see and to see that we still are celebrating it. So it's really cool. Yeah. Well, it has a very deep connection to the human mind. There's something about archery that I think it's because as human beings evolved, you know, we developed the bow and arrow, they invented it, they refined it. And that was how people hunted and got their food.

I think there's a genetic memory of that. That's inside of our heads, because there's like there's something eerily satisfying about hitting a target with an arrow. It's so much different than anything like I like practicing shooting rifles. Yeah, like I've hunted with rifles. I like it. I like it. It's great. Same here. It's not the same. It. I like it. It's great. It's not the same.

It's not the same. It's not the same. It's like a ten-fold different. Yeah. It really is amazing. It's like every time, if I go rifle hunting, I love it. I mean, I absolutely love it. Still love the whole culture of it.

I grew up in Georgia where, I mean, people were on these leases. You know, it'd be a mead property which was Timberland or Georgia Power lease. There'd be 10 of us on 500 acres or sometimes more than that. And so, you know, everybody took a 30 off 6, Redmonton, semi-automatic, you know, scope on it with over and under sites and we'd meet up at Uncle Morgan's barn, me and my dad and Scott Steiner, my Uncle Tommy and Uncle Jeff and where are you going? Like hell, I think I'm going to go to the boat seat. I'm going to holler one.

Nobody talked about wind or nothing and it was just a bunch of old guys high-fiving and we would walk back there and hunt with a rifle and as soon as you heard a rifle shot, you're like, that was Uncle Tommy. I bet you he's got a big one. And so it was just so amazing that part of it. So I still go back and do that from a cultural standpoint to feel just that feeling and vibe of being standing there in a pair of K-Mart boots with some old walls coveralls draped over with them old white long handles, you know, that we thought we could go to the Antarctica end.

In reality it was just some cotton that as soon as it got wet, she froze to death. And just the thought of that of being literally in my time 11, 12 years old, just being one of the men with a.30-06 on my shoulder, climbing up in a pine tree in a tree stand built out of leftover lumber from my dad's construction job. That was the most unsafe thing in the world. And a lot of people got hurt from all those things. And I remember we got our first bow. My dad had an old Browning bow and he had a couple of old recurse when I was young and he pecked around with them. And then I remember I was 13 and I was working him on a job site.

And that's what I had my summer job. My dad was a carpenter and so I'd go work and man he worked the cornbread hell out of me too, you know, just to show me how to be accountable and just what it was like to work and he paid me $2 an hour. So he said, you need to pick you out something as a goal, figure out what you need to save you money for. You don't need to blow it on something stupid. And I said, well, I don't know.

And at the time, some of my buddies, we were saving up wanting skateboards. Well, at the time we lived on a dirt road. So I'm like, what am I gonna do with a skateboard? I was like, I gotta go into the city to use a skateboard. So my buddy, Jackson Bishop, we called him Boo, he lives in the city and we hunted together. He said, I'm behind me. He said he was working with my dad and I too. And he ended up saving his money and bought him a really cool skateboard. I remember he built it and went and had posters

of it. Well, I ended up deciding that I need to get me a bow and arrow. So I went and bought me a Martin Pro Eliminator bow from Big Book Trading Post. Paid $200 for that sucker. Was that a compound bow? It was a compound bow. What year did compound bows get invented? It would have had to been, I would say in the 70s. I mean, the first I remember was talking about Fred Bear, the old whitetail hunter.

And then you had the whitetail hunter two and stuff like that. And then I know Browning came on pretty soon in that, and then obviously you had Hoyt that was in there. Did they even have sites back then? We had like a pen site. It was like a bracket, and it has had this kind of rudimentary site

that you could scroll in and out. But there's no range finders, right? There were no range finders. Is that it right there? Look at that. The original compound, look at that. The original compound. Look at that. Up to 50% more speed and penetration.

Look at that. That was 66. So I felt like this would have been in the 80s because I- 66. Because I feel like- Wow, that's wild. Price so low, hunters can't afford to be without one. The way they used to market things back then is so funny. I know I love to see those old field and stream and outdoor life matches.

I mean it's a window into a different time. Look at that. Can you imagine taking that to Utah to chase an elk in the mountains? Oh my god, you'd have to be so close. Cameron wouldn't even have to tote out a buck on his shoulders. He could just tote that around, probably be as heavy as a whitetail. How heavy is that thing? Look at it all the metal. All the components and all cables. What kind of feet per second you get now that sucker? What is this? Oh look at this. 1926 Arthur Young bow hunting. It's a grizzly here. They say it's a grizzly. Wow. Look at him. Super close. Holy cow. I've never seen this, Jamie. Thanks for pulling this up. This is so cool. 1926.

Holy smokes. I bet they didn't even have to buy a license. I bet they just went hunting too. Oh yeah. I bet there was no licenses back then. I mean, when did they... All right. He hit him somewhere. Yeah. It follows it up here. But I mean, to film this is even crazy because this is 1926. Right. Wow. You had to be so close with that shitty bow.

No doubt. And man, I tell you what, man, intriguing. Those guys right there, there are books that they wrote. If you wrote those same books now, like if you and I went on a hunt and we said, hey, let's just write an article and present it to Outdoor Life and publish it just as we saw it, which is so cool about what we do here is having a chance conversation and kind of air out anything and everything. And obviously culture has changed the world.

I mean, these podcasts, but back then, you know, you had articles. Well, they had write these books and it would be so like, I would read it sometimes the same page two or three times. It'd be like, you know, Saxon Pope talking about Arthur Young, yes, I found out. I think it's too far. 70 yards is too far to shoot at a Cape Buffalo. I put three arrows in him. He didn't seem hurt.

I got two in the rump, one in the neck. And you're like, like they didn't seem hurt. I got two in the rump, one in the neck, and you're like, they didn't edit this out? It's almost like me and you hunting squirrel. Like, man, I'll tell you what, I don't like him pellets. It's just not, those pellets in that air rifle are not, they're just not knocking the squirrels down good enough. Like, oh, you weren't supposed to put that. Can you edit that out? They were just like, okay, let's put this in a book and let's sell it. Well, they were pioneers. They were learning. They were learning how to do it. But you imagine

how you get crucified sometimes for the people who don't understand hunting, even ethically hunting and making a good ethical shot, whether it's a bow or an arrow or a rifle. And back then they were like, all right, let's go try to hunt some African lions. I don't know what it's going to take to kill them, but we'll see. They were just experimenting. Experimenting. And they took a boat over. Think about, I mean, I want to go to, I've been to Africa quite a few times. How long does it take to get to Africa in a boat?

It was taking a month to get over there. And they would take a whole ship, and I think they, I forget, I don't want to say it because it could be inaccurate historically, but I want to say they was taking 40, 50 bows, these recurves, and just tubs and tubs of arrows. I mean just- Because they were just launching them. It's like they had more freaking arrows than P. Diddy had baby oil. I mean it's like, man how many Harris can you fit on this boat?

Like, well, we got shit loaded up. Well, they probably knew they weren't going to get any over there. And they're probably making them themselves. Yeah, and I think it documents it. It talks about like, look, if our bows tear up or in this experimental process, we might need a little stronger bow. So you know, I mean,, very rarely I even do this, I'll go to pretty decent places. I'll take one bow. Very rarely I take two bows. I used

to think it'd be beneficial, but then I started realizing, man, these things are so dependable. I don't need it. Maybe I take a bow press or an extra cable or an extra string or setup, but I mean, they just had to take everything. And they really didn't know. That's such a commitment to adventure. Get on a boat with a bunch of bows and a tub of arrows. I mean, how do you tell your wife that too? Because they were married. Exactly. Can you imagine, I can't imagine now that, you know, Joe and I planned a hunt trip here and you go home and say, hey man, just me and Waddle was talking and me, him and Cam are thinking about running the hunt hogs. Well, how long are you going to be gone? You know, it's Christmas time. It's like, well, two days.

You know, we're just gonna drive down or fly over here, do that. Can you imagine, hey, baby, I think I'm going to Africa and we're gonna try to hunt some lion. We don't know what's gonna happen. We're back in about six, seven months. Yeah, I'll be back next year. I mean, it's like.

I wanna go hunt lions with a pointy stick. Exactly. I should be back. I don't think. Not sure what it takes to kill one. No internet. Yeah. No, no. I mean, nothing. I don't think... Not sure what it takes to kill one. No internet. Yeah. No, no. I mean nothing. How do you even... You couldn't research. How are you learning form and technique? Yeah. Who you learn... You just have to practice and then eventually figure out, well, I held my elbow this way. It seemed to be better than this way. Yes. I'll just tweak it. Well, just wring it. And even the civil unrest. Imagine this.

I mean... Oh, yeah. You know, I hear people talk about hunting and the dangers of potential rogue wildlife, but I've never been that, you know, grew up in a real country, so I've never had any fear of any animals, you know. As a matter of fact, if I was bear hunting and I thought, you know, somebody said, hey, man, bears love pork chops. You walk through Alaska with a pork chop, Randy, Nick might get a better chance to get a shot. I'd be like, well, hell, you reckon they'll come?

Let's try it. I want a shot at one. But think of the civil unrest. I've always been a... I went to Zimbabwe one time. Me and Nick Munt and several of my buddies, we went over there to Zimbabwe, and it just happened to be when Mugabe was rerunning. And so he had a political opponent. And so just when we think people listen to

this that, you know, politics in America are crazy. Well, guess what? Somebody was running against Mugabe. So did they debate it on a podcast or even talk about it on CNN? No, Mugabe just went and killed the guy he was running against. Like, okay, I win, you know? So end of story. And so the internet was shut down. And so I remember being over there and like, man, I'm kind of scared not of an elephant or a lion. I'm like, what is this? I don't have a phone.

I don't have internet. I have no way to talk to my family. I don't have any. My money got stolen. I was the idiot who went over there with my backpack, with cash, and a bank envelope, everything that you read. Like, okay, I'm an idiot. So I go to, I go to take some money to, we were talking about going fishing on the Zambezi River.

And so anyway, I was like, I'm gonna get a little money. I'm gonna tip this guy. If I go fishing, like, dude, where's my money? And it was all gone. So I don't know if it's between where I landed in South Africa, somewhere in my room. I don't know where, but all of my money. And I think I had about $7,000 cash, which for me, that was a lot of money. Like I mean, I was devastated. Not only I lose the money, it's like I didn't have money to lose like that. But now I'm like, what am I going to do?

And so they take me over to Botswana and I get some Pulas from an ATM because there's a little more westernized. But I remember calling home and it's like, man, we ain't in Kansas no more. This ain't a whitetail hunt. In my mind, I'm so singled in on the adventure and thinking of Saxton, Pope and Young and all these guys. And I forget like, wait a minute, there's people dying and starving over here. And I'm just over here trying to maybe find a Cape buffalo or a Gims buck or something. And that's where I

learned a lot in my young travel of just what's out there in the world. Do you ever watch Pedro Ampuro's videos? No, no. Jamie, let me, I'll send it to you. He's a fascinating dude from Spain and he travels everywhere to bow hunt. Everywhere. I can already tell I'd love that. Oh, you'd love it.

He's great too. His hunting adventures are really interesting, but he goes all over the place. He goes to Tajikistan and places. Holy cow. There he is. Look at that. I mean you can tell. Look. I mean just. He's a you know super super super dedicated bow hunter and you know travels to Greenland. He was in Greenland with Remy. They were hunting together and just his his stuff Pedro's Videos are really really well done and he's such a likeable guy that it's a it's a good introduction to people that don't even understand why anybody would be interested in bow hunting because you realize like This guy is he's as much fascinated by the adventure of it all then

As he is even the hunting aspect of it Like he really enjoys being in these very different cultures and very different parts of the world. Like he hunted elk in Mongolia. Wow. Mongolia has a large elk population. I didn't know that. Yeah, but it's really funny because everybody who goes there to hunt, hunts with a rifle.

And so all the guides who, you know, speak Mongolian, like they're like, what the fuck is this guy doing with his bow? This is stupid like what are you doing Pedro? He's like I can't shoot it It's 98 yards away. You know like we have to get closer. It's like just shoot it. Yeah, just shoot it Shoot it kill it. Let's get out of here. We've been here for fucking three days tired of it, but this dude's got a Really fucking great channel and a ton of videos. I mean, he's been doing this for like making these videos for like 10, 15 years.

I'm definitely going to subscribe to that. And you can see the Buffalo. Where's the Buffalo? Is that is he? Oh, it's a mouflon. Oh, that's a mouflon sheet. Oh, you went to a different video. OK, go to the Mongolia Elkhant because it's so fascinating. They stayed in a yurt. So they stayed in one of those felt tents, like Genghis Khan used to live in, and they traveled in the woods.

And it looks like you're in Wyoming. It looks like you're in Idaho. Them Yurks always wonder if that's what Missy Elliott was rapping about. You know, yurt perimunition round here. I don't think so. I don't think she has the knowledge of yurts. I think that's what it said. Yeah. But if you scroll further ahead you can see some of the footage. Oh this is Ibex in Mongolia. Dude that'd be a tough hunt too man. Google, it's not that. Search elk in Mongolia. He's got, I mean he's got tons and tons. There it is right there. See World Record Elks right there.

Second row, that one, bam. Yeah, that's in Mongolia. See that's to me so fascinating. Man, they're crazy. Look at that. That looks like you could be in Utah. Absolutely. And they just totally didn't understand why he was using a bow because his dad was there.

His dad hunted with a rifle and he was successful and you know, he's got it close. God, and those, those look like just your basic Rocky Mountain species. I don't even know how they got there. I don't know if they were always there. I don't know if they were introduced or really don't know. There's a Uruk, yep. Yeah. And that's what they're standing.

Really interesting. I did not even know that they were elk in Mongolia. Yeah, I didn't either until I saw this video. Nor would I have even known you could hunt there. And I think that's what people don't realize, living in America. Yeah. We can hunt. I mean, go do that in China.

Get hungry in China and decide you want to go get you a mess of rabbit and squirrel. Well, there might not be none. And you can't legally hunt. You can't legally hunt in China? Not in China. Not at all. There's several states. You can't even bow hunt in the UK.

I know. Isn't that crazy? I mean, I don't know if that goes back to Robin Longstride or I think some of it does, a lot of the folklore, because that was a poaching tool. He hunted the king's property. You could poach with a bow and arrow. Well, that's what people don't understand. The Robin Hood was not about stealing money. It was about using the king's land to hunt animals. Correct. Because people were starving and the king had all these animals and you weren't allowed

to hunt them. You couldn't. So Robin Hood was like, this is bullshit. Like, yeah, I'll take this bow and arrow. Let's go get some deer. Let's go eat. There's stag out here, man. Yeah.

And so I, yeah, I'm always, the more I travel, like seeing this that Pedro's done, I hadn't done that extensive of traveling and I've never, if it ends with a stand, I just stay out of it. Yeah. I mean. And these extra Z's in the long way. Yeah man, that's like, I try to be good. But Pedro goes everywhere. I can't recommend his show enough, it's so good. I watch him all the time.

I'm gonna check that out. Late night when I wanna chill, when I'm at home, I come home from the comedy club, I'll throw on some of his videos. Check out Pedro. Chill out, I watch males. Have you ever heard of this? What is that?

I was looking at the initial books coming out of hunting trips to Africa and Dingo neck Multiple people said they saw this one guy said he even shot one in Africa. They saw it. Yeah How long ago is 1907? I think what the fuck do they have a photo of it? That's just it obviously might even be a real thing But the descriptions of it were backed up by multiple people It obviously might even be a real thing, but the descriptions of it were backed up by multiple people. Huh, a carnivore that chose to hunt or devour nearly whatever it wants to save for elephants. Holy cow. It had tusks? Dog-headed beast fish.

What? I don't even think Jim Schocke's hunted one of them. Where did you find this, Jamie? Literally, I'm looking at all these history books about like different expeditions, and this was one from 1908. They went to look for some certain things. They encountered this in Lake Victoria. I mean, it's probably not real. But it seems like it is. I want to believe. He encountered it by Lake Victoria when, as Bronson's own hunting party provided nearly identical descriptions of the creature, the title is reference to the author having been given special permission to hunt the closed territory of

Loida, Maasai, Kisi and Sotik. Wow, what the hell was that? Just looking it up. Very strange. It looks different in a bunch of the drawings though. Sure. I mean, they don't have a picture, I guess. But like remember when we were showing those ancient pictures of what a whale looked like to people that had never seen a whale before and it had like wings and a lion's head. That's what's fascinating on all that, those paintings and engravings.

I'm just wondering what it could be. It kind of, some of it you can see like, okay, we still have some of those animals that look that way and then some kind of looks kind of mystical. Have you ever seen the ones that are caveies where it's like a stegosaurus. Yeah. Like, how did you know what that looked like? Somebody had, exactly, they didn't Google it. Right.

Were they are few laying around? I mean, I wonder. I'm so intrigued by that. I think I'm more intrigued with it. Hunting and traveling and being in these places like we went down, I love to turkey hunt. I love to turkey hunt. Matter of fact, I'm gonna do everything in my power and anybody that listens to this ever,

even ever knew my name knows, everybody's like, dude, you gotta get Cam and Rogan to go turkey hunting. You gotta go. I went turkey hunting once. Did you really? I went with Ronella. He took me. Did you really?

Ronella, dude, he's, yeah. It was fun. Yeah, he's fun. I love turkey hunting. I just love it. And that's how I kind of broke into the industry. It's definitely a superior turkey to eat. They are. They're delicious.

They are delicious to eat. But anyway, with that said, we were down right out of the Yucatan Peninsula hunting oscillated turkeys, which is a different species. You can hunt all these turkeys and get different slams. Yeah, I think Ronella's got the slam. Yeah, Ronella's done it. And so I went down there with actually Troy, Troy Link of Jack Link's Jerky. And he's a big hunter. So we all went down there kind of for the adventure and to say, yeah, we hunted the jungles. And dude, amazing. You know, you got all that

Mayan civilization and all this stuff that I saw, even Graham Hancock. But what people don't realize, we're out in the middle of this jungle and I'm walking around and the guy I'm with he don't know English and I'm like and Cohen Stone our producer he's standing there I was like dude this is a this is one of those pyramids like we're walking up and I'm trying to figure out if I can hand call because nobody had ever figured out if you can hand call to these oscillated turkeys I get to looking around and so finally I'm tapping this guide on the shoulder and I'm like, bro, you know, Mayan, he says, oh, see, see.

And I'm like, there's so many of those structures out there. And we're out there hunting turkeys, they don't think nothing about it. It's kind of like us walking around out in the middle of the woods in Georgia and finding an old whale. You know, we're in treatment. But they're like, oh yeah, they're everywhere. So I only knew about the ones that was on the postcards.

Right, Chichen Itza. Yeah, when you're out there having a corona on the beach and somebody's trying to sell you an engraving to your wife in some ring or something. I'm like, oh my God, dude. I wanted so bad for a turkey to respond and to put my back against that. So I did a little video and I was like, man, this is insane. But when would I have had a chance to see that had I not been a hunter? So that gets you down the rabbit hole of like, well, what was this?

And what is that calendar? And I wonder what Graham Hancock is. So when I'm seeing some of this and like, dude, I was in that area. I didn't go to see that particular piece where he's talking to this authority, but I did go, you know, 30 miles south of there or a hundred miles and I had a chance to work a turkey around one that's not even been excavated. And it was just blew my mind. They find so many of those too.

The jungle just overrun all that civilization, just overcame it and you just, they find them with, you know what LIDAR is? I heard, yes, I saw, well, I didn't know about it until I watched that on the Netflix show with Graham and he's showing how they're flying over in those rings and stuff. See, if you can find that pyramid that they just unearthed in Guatemala, they just unearthed some huge pyramid in Guatemala. And that's, we were, we were south, we were right there and kind of right on the southern tip of Mexico, just as you go into Guatemala and

I was just intrigued and we're in the jungle and stay in these little huts and I read these little tents like almost a screen porch I was just I was blown away and the whole time I like thank you Lord for Allowing me to be the hunter to go see this to experience this and I don't know. It's just I'm overwhelmed I've never got bored with it. And the more I do it, the more humbling it becomes. As soon as you start thinking like, man, I got a bunch of elk with my bow and arrow. I got this figured out.

I'm about to run a rake through them. I know where they're gonna be. And then you go out there and they just kick your butt. Yeah, there's no real figuring it out. I mean, certainly you get to your level or a level of Cam Haynes or Remy Warren, you become very proficient, you understand what to do. Here it is. Find lost city in Mexico jungle by accident. Holy cow. Yeah, this is what it was. It wasn't Guatemala.

So archaeologists found pyramids, sports fields, causeways and connecting districts, amphitheaters in the southern central state of Campeche? Campeche, yeah. Campeche. They uncovered the hidden complex which they have called Valeriana, Valeriana, using LIDAR, a type of laser survey that maps structures buried under vegetation. They believed it is second in density only to Calakmul, thought to be the largest Maya site in ancient Latin America. The team discovered three sites in total in a survey the size of Scotland's capital, Edinburgh,

by accident when one of the archaeologists browsed data on the internet. That's so crazy. They found it by accident. See, that's amazing. And I caught the same vibe when I was down there, because we weren't too far out of Campeche when we was turkey hunting. And so as we're going through there,

and there's thousands and thousands and thousands of acres. I'm not even sure I set up. I don't know if it's, you know, government-leon, in this case, Mexico, or if it's village. But when I saw that, even though we videoed it, I asked, later I come back and the main

outfitter, he's very fluid in English, he said, yeah, there's all kinds of stuff out there. We don't talk about it a lot because this is our hunting ground. It's almost like the Buffalo Drop story. Right. They don't want people, archaeologists get in there. They really don't want Grant Hancock down there with a team of filmmakers from California. God, I see their point point but I don't I absolutely

yeah and they kind of but I think that's what's fascinating about all that we're able to talk about and share now culturally yeah as we realize if you grow up hunting and fishing well I really assumed everybody did right I didn't think there was somebody that hadn't eat squirrel I did a walk I didn't miss squirrels 45 years old that eat squirrel. I was just, I did a walk. I didn't eat squirrel until I was 45 years old. That's what I'm saying. And I grew up to where, like laying and eating with my papa like one day, damn it, I'm going to buy me some rib eyes.

You know, it's like, you eat enough squirrel and rabbit and it's great, but it's almost like, man, I'm going to get that big family pack of chicken. And we ate plenty of that, but it was always a fallback to where you understood the good Lord's renewable resources and how to hunt them. So taking an animal for table fare wasn't anything at all to even cheer about other than almost in the blessing of blessing your food, like thank you Lord for giving us this opportunity

to have a place to hunt. So it would be a chance to go put a fish basket out. I remember my papa would taught me so many things he made corn liquor and just country as a damn chicken coop. And I look back he passed away when I was 12 both of my granddad's did and my dad Edwin Waddell same way I mean they taught me so much but I just assumed this is what every man was and I figured this is what everybody knew. That's how you grew up. Yeah.

And I remember I started working in the hunting industry when I was young. I remember I tell this story. I just remember like going to a nice restaurant and people ordering appetizers. I'm like, what are we doing? What are we doing? What does that mean?

Yeah, it's like bring us some ceviche and some calamari and you guys like cheese sticks? I know they're unhealthy. Everybody likes cheese sticks? I like cheese sticks. And then all of a sudden, we sat in here chatting like we are and everybody's having a cocktail. And I'm like, man, I'm so happy. This is the funnest. I'm loving this.

And I'm literally going back and at the end of the night calling my dad, like, you ain't gonna believe it, everybody's eating before you eat. Like we had, we're getting shrimp cocktail and you know, and I'm over there. And it sounds crazy and almost like it's exaggerated, but I was so overwhelmed.

I was so intrigued with the city and just people. I would be the guy talking to everybody, you know, from the street people, like, what's up, dog? You know, they're like, man, what's it like out here? You know, like, man, you ever ate a pigeon? Man, I love these pigeons. Go get you a couple ketchup packets from McDonald's and get you a rock. Hell, people should eat hitch.

And so I was, it was almost like the exact opposite from some of now my city friends who have gotten just enthralled with hunting. They introduced me to so much of the city culture that I still get excited. Everybody don't think I would, but I still love to get excited to go out. I had a chance, Joe Montagna is somebody

who's got a show on Outdoor Channel. So he has this big cigar dinner every night, I mean, every year in Burbank and saw all the Fuentes and all these different movie stars and stuff. And so he's like, man, why don't you get a table, come out and join us? I'm like, yes. I took my wife. We're all country. I was so excited to just get dressed up and everybody think I wouldn't like it, but I

was like, man, this is cool. I'm out there having me a cigar. There's the guy from Rambo. I forget his name, but it's in Karate Kid. Yeah, sure. Yeah. I'm meeting some of these people and I'm thinking it's amazing how culturally, being so country and how now I'm talking to some of these guys like, man, dude, you're the hunting guy.

Can you, man, why don't you take me hunting? I'm intrigued with that. Yeah. And so now having a chance, I know you had like Jim Brewer on, which what a cool cat. I love Jim. He is so fun. Man, I couldn't hardly hunt with him or Theo for just constantly laughing.

I mean, I like to cut up and have a good time. The first time I went hunting, I went with, Ronella took me and Brian Callan, and it's the same deal. Brian Callan's fucking hilarious okay. Yeah counts fucking hilarious We were just crying laughing in Montana freezing our dicks off having a good time My experience was the opposite always lived in cities always yes, you know And then the first time I went hunting was with Ronella

I had been camping before when I was a kid But there was I had no real exposure to nature right and I remember just after that week doing it I was like I'm doing this for the rest of my life like this hit you oh a hundred percent I remember cooking the back straps over the fire It was me and Ronella and and Callan and the crew and we were just like sprinkling some like seasoned salt Oh these back straps and cooking them over the fire and we're eating them with our hands and I was like I'm doing this for the rest of my life. This is like one of the greatest moments I've ever had in my life. One of the greatest experiences. I felt so tuned into it

I was like, yeah something I've been missing like this is and it's a whole new world. I Explained it. I was like it's like you're in a different dimension the first time I shot a deer was on that show. So I had never hunted an animal before. I'd only been fishing. And the first time I'm looking at that deer through the crosshairs of that rifle, and I'm just calming myself to squeeze a shot. And I squeeze off the shot and the deer drops like a stone. And I was like, Oh my god, like this is what I'm doing forever. Yes. And then once I started eating it, I was like, Oh, this is this is

my new thing. I'm like, I'm obsessed. I was obsessed, obsessed and then obsessed with what I was all I had been missing. Just the experience of being in the woods is so different than anything. The way people think of hunting, unfortunately, we've been poisoned by movies where the hunters are the bad guys, they're always douchebags, they're always like poaching animals and harassing people. Hunters in movies, it's a trope that they've always been like cruel evil people like there's Bambi. The Bambi, the Walt Disney movies are the worst. Oh, they ruin people. They ruin this idea.

People who buy burgers from McDonald's will look down on someone who hunts an animal in the woods. And it's correct. It's just we've been, our brains have been distorted. Our perceptions have been distorted by media. And I realized that being in the woods hunting, I was like, first of all, this is very difficult to do. Mule deer hunting in Montana in October,

freezing cold in the Missouri breaks, fascinating. Just the whole, the environment is so unforgiving and doesn't give a fuck about you, the quiet and the isolation out there, and a weird kind of loneliness, like not loneliness, but a realization of where your place really is in the natural world. You're not special. No.

You're not. There's nothing significant about you. Crying assault. Yeah. You're just one of many living things trying to get along out here, trying to get by. And you have an advantage, obviously, because you have a rifle and you have binoculars and all that other good stuff. But the reality of it is it's very, very difficult to achieve success, especially if you don't

know what you're doing. I was very lucky to have a guy like Renella show me around. But once you do it once, you're like, oh, God, like, this is incredible. And then to eat that animal, completely different experience than any other meal I've ever had in my life Yeah, it's such a piece that comes with it And and I try to explain that but there's no way to explain it until you experience it right You know, I was even trying to explain it to Theo. I don't know if I got that across we laugh Is a unique dude man

He's one of the most I've met quite a few people, not as many as you, but Theo by far is one of the coolest, unique people I've met. I remember we get out and we're going to Turkey Hut, you know, and I knew, first of all, I think I ruined his whole excitement of it when I said, all right, man, I'll wake you all up. We got about 4.35, you know, he said, what'd you say, Waddell? I said, oh man, I didn't sign up for this. I didn't say this in a brochure.

So Caleb Presley, Barstool Sports, he was there. I was a big fan of those guys, so I was trying to make sure I gave them the best experience I could. Just like Renella did with you, I knew the magnitude of, okay, these guys, I hope they want to do it again. But we go out there, and Theo had not been around a gun a lot and so I figured it'd be easy. I had a 20 gauge, well I can't remember, it was a 20 or 12 gauge, I had a couple, but I put red dot, those Bush and L red dot scopes on there to make it really easy.

Not have them shoot the bead, just look through this optic and see the red dot, put it on the turkey's head, pull the trigger. So Theo's looking through that thing, so you want me to shoot now? I said, no, Theo, I mean, it's not even daylight good. He's got sunglasses on. And he says, he's looking through this joke. He's looking through this shotgun. He said, oh man, he said, I see that red dot. He said, when I pull the trigger, it turn green?

And I said, Theo, and so there's clips of it and I literally, he said, and then he looked and he said, who's on the other team? There he is! That's it! No, no, don't shoot, don't shoot, don't shoot. Don't keep it, keep faying off the trigger. Okay. All right, but see what I'm saying?

You can see the red dot, the red dot, go on his head and get him. All right, and who's the other team? Who's the other team? What the fuck? I just, look, do I say I'll take it? I'll take it. I'll take it. I'll take it.

I'll take it. I'll take it. I'll take it. I'll take Look, I'll take it. Bro, he lives in another dimension. Theo lives in a neighboring dimension. And he just comes and visits us. Theo and I went to the UFC two weekends ago. Last weekend, when was it? Two weekends ago. We were in Vegas and then after the fights we went to dinner. And I swear to God, the dinner was an hour away.

And we were like, I'm going to go to the UFC. And we were like, I'm going to go to the UFC. And we were like, I'm going to go was two weekends ago, we were in Vegas and then after the fights we went to dinner. And I swear to God, the dinner was, it was an hour and a half of me and Theo crying, laughing, just crying. I mean, tears, I'm wiping my eyes, I can't breathe. Where'd you, I go, dude, this should have been a podcast.

We should have filmed this. Oh God, I can only imagine. We were crying. We were just crying. He was saying the most ridiculous shit And I was laughing so hard. It was so much fun. He's so fun He's so fun I had so much fun with that guy man, and he said so much that I couldn't repeat

That was so funny, and then they said so much that I could but I hadn't met anything quite like him You know he's so unique one of a kind he's a one of a kind. Such a big heart too, man. Oh, he's a sweetheart. Such a nice guy. Such a kind person. And just a very unique talent. And that's the thing too, you know, Caleb on the other hand, he ended up did getting the turkey, Caleb, and he kind of took to it pretty quick. Theo liked it, but I think his attention, if it is attention deficit, he definitely had it. He's got that.

And he was kind of cool. And anyway, and I realized Theo had more fun just kind of walking around checking out the cows and just say, I mean, dude, that would be a whole, you could do a special of Theo just walking around, maybe after a mushroom or something, just let him walk around and just describe what he's seeing. I mean, our producer come back and I saw him way a ways. I was tired, man. I've been hunting a lot. And he said, man, we're gonna go take an adventure, walk around the ranch, you know, farm.

It was down in South Florida. And I come back, our producer was laughing. He said, man, I can't even tell you all I heard and what Theo was saying. He said, I've never laughed so hard. And I said, I can only imagine. I can only imagine. But yeah, man, I don't know. It's just like that part. I think that's the most beautiful thing for me coming from where I come from and even seeing all the different people from all these cultures. And there's so much, and I've completely understood this too. There's so little

that separate us all from the most rural country guy to the most urban city guy for no matter what race, ethnicity. It's amazing how there's so much entertainment and things if you just open your mind, not pretend to know it all, to want to learn, because there's so much you can teach me, so much I can teach you. And it's just amazing. And it's definitely given me a whole lot better perspective. And I don't know, that's been probably the coolest part of what I've had a chance to

go on an adventure and a journey is to be able to meet somebody like Brewer who's like, he didn't really, was not intrigued with hunting. It was more the conspiracy of what was going down and like, dude, I went to go get some chicken breasts and some chicken wings to watch football. You couldn't find any. The government Fauci is making me learn what they'll teach me how to kill a turkey. You know, on the other hand, first morning out, Jim kills one. And so, you know, you've hunted enough, you and Cam, where, you know, you get an elk and

it is a reverence. It's not like you, everybody reacts different. So but if you know, if you played a good era, kind of the Ted Nugent, the spirit of the era, the spirit of the wild, and that era goes in there, and you've worked for it. You practice. And when you know it's a good ethical shot, and you know that you got and essentially put

the tag on that bull, it is almost like spike. Some people, it's almost like spiking the football when you get a touchdown. So I was so excited that Jim Brewer had just got a turkey. That me and, and I had Ira Dean, who used to be in that country group, Trick Pony, who is just a trip in itself. He's good friends with Jim,

and they live somewhere close down there in Naples, Florida. And me and Ira are just grabbing him, look like you're wrestling jujitsu. I got him in here like, you got him, Jim! You know, and we're like, you know, punching like, you smoked him, you're not, dude right in the head. We high-fiving and Jim's just over like overwhelmed. Like the woman in the shower on Psycho, like what did I just do? I just killed something.

And all of a sudden I forgot, this is a guy in the movies, this is a Canadian that grew up as a kid watching All Star in their life. He's never been there. And then we slowed down. It wasn't even hardly any time after that. Jim's just sitting there and he takes the turkey and he's holding it like a little puppy dog and he's holding it. And Ira, my buddy, he grabs his beak and says, hello Jim.

And I think even Jim talks about it. I just sit back and I'm like, man, how cool is this? And then the same token, Jim's like, hey, man, if you ever down here and want to come to one of my comedy shows, and for my wife and friend to go do that or to see something I've never seen or to go home and still tell my dad who's 71, you're not going to believe what I saw in Austin. You're not going to believe what happened in wherever, Las Vegas, when we're at the

SHOT Show. It's, I don't know, it's pretty amazing. That's the beauty of travel, right? Like, the more environments you could go into, the more completely different cultures you could explore, you get a just a wider sense of humans. Yeah. And you realize, like, we have more in common than we do opposed to each other. We have much more that we share than we don't. Correct. And what really is is just like, what environment did you grow up in?

You grew up in the country. I grew up in the city. But once you find common ground, and once you experienced it, experiencing nature for the first time for people that are in the city It's so overwhelming for them. It's so interesting to watch them just walk around the woods and yeah Confused and not it not knowing how to navigate not knowing where they are and being exhausted not Knowing how much energy it takes going up hills. How are we gonna get back? Yeah, where are we at? Yeah, we're eight miles deep Yeah, yeah, we got to walk eight miles back. Yeah. When is that gonna get us back? Well, probably 11

PM. Yeah, we're gonna be, it's gonna be late. Like, what? 11 PM? Yeah, we have headlights. Put on your headlamps. Like, what? We're gonna walk in the dark. Are there animals out here? There's a lot of animals out here. And they know where you are before you know where they are. 100%. Yeah. It is, it is so intriguing. And to think about. Totally different world. It is a completely different world. For me, it was so cool. Over the years, working for different... I call it more non-ademic. Like, you obviously think of Hoyt, you think of Realtree, you think of these different

companies that are around the hunting culture. But I remember one year I had a chance to work with Hormel Dennymore Stew. Hormel had Dennymore Beef Stew. So they did the sweep steakes and it's like, win a turkey hunt with Michael Waddell. And so we did it and they run 30 second ads. That was when, you know, everything was a bunch of 30 second ads.

And so the guy wins it, him and his son. And well, they get there and I realized they'd never hunted. And it was my first time to experience guiding somebody that knew nothing. I mean, I guided a lot of rookies, but I'm talking about when I say had no clue of nature. Never shot a gun. Never shot a gun. I mean, immediately, you know, had a big Rambo knife tied on the side of his neck.

It's like, okay. So I remember we walk in and and I realized that okay This would be fun for me because from the basics of everything just to mount the streams to the tracks So we walking along and me and his son and him are talking and I say look here This is a coyote track right here. Look at this cool and you can see it in this Sandero a perfect coyote track Oh, man, that's cool I'd like you know and everything he would relate to would be to a cartoon like like the coyote on Bugs Bunny Road Show. I said yeah like Bugs Bunny Road Runner coyote but this is a real coyote.

I said oh this is cool check this out this is a Bobcat track. Oh man I say look here's a here's a turkey track but this is a hen track. This track is different. I'm explaining to him the different things. I mean we saw everything that day from hog, have a later tracks. So finally we're walking. He's just so cool with these tracks, like taking pictures. He said, Hey man, any Cheetos around here? And I said, what?

And he said, you know, Cheeto, you know, Cheetos. I said, are you talking about like Cheetos, like snacks? Snacks? He said, Oh yeah. I mean, any of those animals? And I said, are you talking about like Cheetos like snacks? Snacks? He said, oh yeah, I mean any of those animals? What? What? I swear. Animals?

He, that just shows the disconnect. Cheetos, Chester the Cheetah, which I guess is from a true animal, a cheetah, but Chester Cheeto, he was like, is any of those tracks, if you see one of those tracks, show me what a Chester Cheeto track looks like. I'm like, you know, we don't have Cheetahs, but there is no Chester the Cheeto. But then it hit me, it's like you're talking about the movies. Well Bambi is so real to them. The fox and the hound, I mean, it's so real.

It's like, you know, somehow, you know, they think that you go to Antarctica or North Pole and these polar bears are sitting, having a soda and high-fiving and talking about Christmas. Eating Klondike bars. Yeah, eating Klondike bars. Like, what's up, Waddell? Yeah. Come over here, man. Have a Coke with us.

You know, it's like, no, that's not – these animals will smell you and they come hunt you. They'd – like, wait a minute, a seal that we gotta wait days for him to come out of the hole and hunt them down or look, there's a dude that's been eating a lot of fried chicken and collard greens and cornbread. I bet that sucker, I bet he can't run fast. Let's go eat him.

And so it's just a disconnect of not knowing and thinking that everything is almost like going to the zoo. And then when it becomes hard, you know, and you're two or three days in and you're not had opportunities like, dude, what is going on? Like it's, we're hunting. I mean, I've even had them like, dude, I thought you were good. I mean, well, I'm trying, trying.

It's just this animal. It does not want to get on your plate. It's not an easy thing to do. No. And when that's also the problem with hunting shows Yes, a hunting show if it's a half an hour show It's 22 minutes of actual footage and so you're boiling down a 10-day hunt to 22 minutes and the reality is That gives a distorted perception to the people at home like oh, it's easy. It's they just go there

They put the animal on their crosshair. That's not fair. You hear that all the time, that's not fair. Like survival's not fair. You think it's fair that the lion gets to kill the gazelle? It's not fair. Of course it's not fair. There's nothing fair in nature. Why are elephants big? Why are mice small?

There's nothing fair. No. Fair doesn't factor in. This is what you're trying to do. You're trying to survive. Obviously, you can go to the store, but out here there's no fucking stores. So out here, if you want to survive, if you want to, if we lived here forever,

this is the only environment you're ever gonna be here till your heart stops beating. This is the only one way. You've gotta figure out the wind, you gotta figure out where they are, you gotta pattern them, you gotta figure out how to sneak up on them, you gotta figure out how to execute a shot

without getting buck fever Yeah, you got to do all these things like this is the only way it's so deep you're right And it is difficult You can't boil it down to ten like Pedro does a really good job of showing like how difficult it is on these Crazy adventure hunts that he does but even still it's an hour or hour and a half like the reality is it's ten fucking days Man ten days right ten to twelve miles a day, sweating your ass off, coming back exhausted, your feet hurt, your back's killing you, and you sleep so hard.

You sleep like a dead man. And then that alarm clock goes off at 4.30 in the morning. You're like, oh, you get some coffee in you with a jet boil, and you're freezing, and you're trying to warm your hands up, and then you're off again. Yep. It still almost feels like, I always talk about hunting and open today, it's kind of

like Christmas. It's like when you finally do get to that September and I just use elk hunting as an example, because I know you love elk hunting, it's almost like you are tired. You've been grinding, you've had, you know, doing your daily gigs of whatever you're doing and responsibilities of everything in your life. Finally, I'm in elk camp, and you're already tired in that first morning.

You maybe don't sleep good because you're anxious and excited. And then all of a sudden, you finally fall into deep sleep, and all of a sudden, you're like... But then all of a sudden, it's kind of like as a kid, when you're waiting on Santa Claus, it's like, man, I'm not sleeping.

I'm listening for him. I left milk cookie for him. But then you fell asleep deep, and all of a sudden you wake up and like, oh look, Santa Claus. So you jump up and you're still tired. And so hunting to me is still that. That's amazing.

And it's still that after all these years. I still get excited. That's the same with Cam. I mean, he's been hunting his whole life. He still loves it more than anything. I plan on it so hardcore that like when Netflix gave me a comedy special, I had to make sure that it was the beginning of August. I was like, I need time to get

ready. Because like I have a whole training routine and a shooting routine and you know, I want to make sure I'm shooting a hundred hours a day, seven days a week. I want to make sure my accuracy is fully dialed in. I have 100% confidence. My cardio is on point. I got to be ready." I was like, it can't be any later than August 5th. I'm like, I need four hard weeks. I'm training for it all year round, but four hard weeks. Almost like you're getting ready for a fight.

Some of those meetings still, do you still have maybe executives looking at you like- Oh yeah, they ask weird questions. I don't understand that. Like, so September 12th through the 23rd is- I'm like, you're not going to find me. Yeah. And to them, they don't understand like, you know, outside of people playing football,

like you still see the Christmas games and the Christmas season or Thanksgiving. But for me, like Thanksgiving and Christmas, very rarely, you know, all of us kind of like, I'm taking that day. You know, I'm taking that day. And of us kind of like, I'm taking that day. You know, I'm taking that day. And that's kind of like, unfortunately, now we get in these hobbies of hunting, like, okay, I can't do anything the first week in April. That's turkey season. And then September, oh, man.

That whole month's gone. Yeah. And November, oh, man, the deer are rutting. I don't know that y'all got anything in July? I've had big guests, like important guests that wanted to come in like September 10th. I'm like, that's not going to work. Can't do it. It's not going to happen.

Well, it's the only time he's in America. It's not going to work. Sorry. Let me know if he come back. Yeah, let me know if you come back. I'm not missing that. It's just, it's my favorite time of the year. There's nothing like it.

Funny story, it happened similar. People wonder, do you ever get tired of it? You really don't. I mean, I'm sure, like you obviously say in the comedian world to kind of draw parallels, that opportunity to go out for 30 minutes or an hour to make someone laugh and they're digging on the stuff that you're performing, there's got to be a natural high that comes with it. So there becomes an addictive quality to it and it's not necessarily about the money,

it's just a certain situation that feels good. So you wonder, like, when do I want to step down for this? And it's kind of like, you know, Keith Richards playing a guitar, maybe never. It's like this is part of it. And I think hunting becomes like that. And to the point with me, like the things I love, and I've been blessed that in evolution, my financial opportunities have came from promoting hunting and working for different partners as is CAMS, and many of

us, Remy, Steve, a lot of us. But I'm still so addicted to the point to where my wife, she loves country music, my wife Christy, and so through people we meet, we've got invited to some really cool things, from get togethers to parties to situations, awards, to ceremonies to different clubs. And so a lot of times we'll try to go and it's actually a cool thing for me cuz hey man, I met this person, would you like to do this or that? And one thing in particular happened, my wife loves country music and there's a lot of those country music guys that I hunt with.

So I had gotten a text from a guy, they was having some awards ceremony around the country music, I forget which one it was, but when they had it at the Dallas Stadium. And anyway, I had got invited. He said, hey, if you want to come out, Waddell, look man, we'd like to have you at the, you know, man, we'll treat you like one of the singers, you know. So immediately I said, oh dude, what's the dates? And they said it's April, like it was, I forget what it was. It was, whatever it was, it hit right in Turkey season.

Like right when I knew, I hadn't even had anything planned. This was time, but I knew, kind of like, you know, September. So I said, man, I'm sorry, thank you so much for the invite, but I'm not gonna be able to make it. Well, my wife and I don't have a relationship where we go in through each other's phones and stuff like that, but that particular, my phone was sitting, it was maybe a week later, sitting there, and that same gentleman had texted me on another matter, and so he had just texted me, I said, Christy, get my phone. So she

did, and somehow she just happened to look at that text, and all of a sudden I couldn't figure out, she was just kind of giving me the cold shoulder. Like the rest of the day I'm like, what did I do? And I couldn't figure out what I did, you know? So finally I was like, look baby, you know, I figured out a lot of things about Elk and Turkey. I ain't figured out a woman completely. And so I know I done pissed you off some kind of way. I don't know what I did, but you know, help me understand. She said, you know what? I do have a bone to pick with you. And I was like, oh, hey, well, let me have it. You know, let me have it. And I'm already thinking, I ain't did shit. You know, I don't think she said, you know what? I know you like to hunt turkeys. I'm like, okay. All right. And I'm like, yeah,

I love to hunt turkeys. She said, but you know what? We could take one night and go to a really cool ward ceremony. Maybe we could hang out with Blake and have a drink and just chill and relax and Luke was gonna be... and I was like, what are you talking about? And then she said, well I saw the text and we were invited to go to the awards and you quickly just said no, didn't even talk. And I'm like... and then I hit me like, what a self... I don't know how many turkeys I've seen shot or how many turkeys I've shot myself But here is I'm 50 years old and I'm saying no just like that Without hesitation to right. No, I mean, I would be fun in my mind. I'm thinking dude if I was June or July

And I had your number I'd be texting everybody dude. Are y'all going? Yeah, can we can we have a drink hang out? Sure, but it's like nope. Can we have a drink, hang out? Sure. But it was like, nope. It wouldn't matter if Elvis Presley is going to be the show. I was like, and then it hit me. I'm like, man, I am selfish. A little selfish. Yeah, and it hit me there. And I did. I sincerely said, I'm sorry, because you're right. I could have just got a commercial flight. We could have flew out there and spent a great evening,

had a great date night, and saw the wards and come back. But in my mind, I'm thinking, why would anybody go to a big city in the middle of Turkey Sea? I don't understand that. And I'm trying to, I'm still learning, still learning, you know, so crazy. Well, the reality of it is,

if you haven't experienced hunting, you don't understand why people are so drawn to it and why it's the experience is so much more powerful than anything else you have in life, other than the birth of your children, you know, being love. There's a bunch of experiences that are wonderful in the regular modern civilized life. But when you get that bug, you get that bug, you know, you get that bug. When you hear the swat of that fucking arrow hitting the vitals, and you see the spot right in the golden triangle, you see the blood dripping down, and you see him stumbling forward,

you're like, we got him, we got him. And every sense in your body is on 10, your fucking goosebumps have goosebumps Everything it's just there's nothing like it in the world You want to stand up and tie that bandana like on Rambo first blood It's just you just it I don't know it's crazy feeling and I hope more people get a chance to experience it It but it is so hard to do. It's so hard to do. Especially like archery elk hunting or archery mule deer hunting, probably even more difficult.

I agree. It is so hard to do. To get someone addicted to that, boy, you've got to get a special kind of person that's willing to like, the learning curve is so long. And the physicality of that high desert mule deer. Oh, yes. It's brutal. And also, those motherfuckers are smart. Oh, yeah.

You think they're not. They've been ducking mountain lions for five, six years, and they know any little snap of a branch, any little moving of a rock that sounds like it might have been a predator's paw. Oh, yeah. They're on a swivel. They're up, and they're bouncing.

Boing, boing, boing. See ya. They're gone. And that's what other things people don't realize. They think, oh, you hunters are going out there and getting these animals. And obviously the hunters have such a responsibility and a balance of a lot of things. And Mother Nature is, first of all, very brutal and there's a lot to be learned through nature. There's a lot of things

we think we know, but then if you really dig deep and you're in the mountains you realize, wait a minute, that was all human nature. This is nature. There's a difference, you know, so many examples that you can get into. But at the end of the day, these deer also have coyotes. Now they reintroduce wolves in some of these places. And they have done studies that in some cases they feel like an adult male mountain lion can kill up to 100 mule deer, one mountain lion. So you're talking 80 to 100 animals that they kill. So when you think about us, even if we're athletic- Is that a year?

That's a year. That's one. And they've done all kinds of studies. I know the state of Utah has been really proactive, which is great. And what I love about Utah game of fish is what they're doing. They're listening to a lot of these mountaineering type of guys who are not, you know, have a doctorate in biology or balance in nature. They're just ranchers.

They're outfitters. They're hunters. They're somebody that's immersed themselves. And, you know, they might not consent there and recite Shakespeare, but they can certainly tell you what they've seen. They don't claim to know it all, but they can tell you things that they are seeing out there. There's different kinds of intelligence and knowledge. 100%. And a lot of the Game of Fish, sometimes we'll get at times arrogant to say, well,

what am I going to learn from a Joe? What am I going to learn from Michael Waddle? What am I... Remy Warren, come on, dude. Okay, you hunt a lot. But I got a doctorate in this. Well, like California is a great example. A lot of their game and fish... I don't even think they call it game and fish. I think they call it fish and wildlife.

Correct. Yeah, because they don't want the concept of game to be introduced, meaning hunted. That's crazy. Their thought is they want to get it to the point where the predators and the prey balance each other out, where there's no need for hunting. And they would like to reintroduce wolves to help them.

They do. It's animal activists that have taken these positions that should be held by wildlife biologists who have an objective understanding of the populations And how to keep them healthy and the way they're doing in California is you got mount lions everywhere Yeah in this one ranch that I hunt they had a water hole They had a pond and they had a trail cam They found 18 different cats that visited this trail cam

See that 18 different mountain lines. That goes beyond what biologists will tell you. As a matter of fact, a lot of times, a lot of the studies are now, it's been changed and everything, the goalposts are being adjusted. But there was a time, I think it was 28 square mile radius that I know at least in the state of Utah. So I'm not saying every game of fish department, I call it, or fishing game, or fish and wildlife would say, but they had specifically, they said a male mountain lion basically controlled

28 miles diameter. Only to find that in Utah, I've got some friends and outfitters that went out there when they did have the quota tags. Now you can just buy a tag over the counter or get depredation. You can hunt mountain lion all the time because they realize, look, these mountain lions are killing a lot of mule deer specifically. On top of that, you don't know what the winner is going to be and what that's going to kill. Then you got wolves, you got bears, you got all this stuff.

This outfitter took a business card and he put it down and he said, well, I know y'all think this, but I want to show y'all what I filled the quota. He said, I shot 10 mountain lines in this business card. He said three of them was here. So your theory that one male mountain line is in this 28-mile diameter is completely busted. This is not on anything I've studied. I didn't go to Harvard.

I didn't go to Auburn University in the Wildlife Department. I don't have trail cameras out there. I'm just telling you that with red-boned hounds, this is a true statistic. Here's the photos. And so what has happened, a lot of those people got together and what I love about Utah, they are listening and they're saying, okay, this old hillbilly knows something. Let's listen to him. And so they're adjusting and now the deer numbers are going up, the hunting is getting better and And now the deer numbers are going up, the hunting is getting better. And it's unfortunate that really some of these people might be right, that nature does have a great way of balancing itself.

Very more, way more brutal than what you and I would approach the management process. But everything's changing. I mean, you talk about California, you talk about how they reintroduced the wolves, say, in Colorado. Well, all that was voted in in a very urban area, specifically Aspen. All the ranchers. I don't think it should be voted in at all. It shouldn't be. Ballot biology to me is ridiculous. It don't make sense. You should have to have an understanding about what you're voting on from perspective of the

people that are actually in the field. Correct. And the reality of mountain lines is like you're not going to get an accurate assessment from someone who visits it once a month. They think you can go out there and sell tourist tickets to watch the mountain lines. You can't find them. I'll tell you this. They're there and they know you're coming. They smell you miles away. They're not gonna be anywhere near you and if you do see them, it's rare. I heard Ronella because Ronella spends a lot of time in desolate places, and I didn't specifically talk to Cam. But kind of in perspective, I started working in the area of either guiding or working with an outfitter, working with companies that were doing shows for, at the time, T&N that

turned into ESPN, now Outdoor Channel, now YouTube, so on and so forth. So as a young kid in you know, in rural Georgia, I finally had a chance to start going and seeing these places from Saskatchewan to all over Canada, got to go to Africa, all over Mexico. And now I'm hunting all across the western landscape, not just in Georgia, hunting whitetails and turkeys and squirrels there. I've only saw one mountain line in the daylight. One. Now I've spent tons. I think Ronella said he saw six in his lifetime in the daylight. One. Now, I've spent tons, I think Renella said he saw

six in his lifetime in the daylight. So what you realize, if you see a mountain lion in the daylight, now I've seen a lot of mountain lions, but they all have been in a tree behind a dog or running behind a dog. I'm talking about just you and I glassing, looking for a meal there and like, Joe, mountain lion, you don't see them. And same with wolves. I've seen two wolves in my life, both were in, one was in the Yukon, one was in Alaska, in the daylight. I've heard them countless times. You know, we've been camping in spike tents and you hear the wolves. I've heard them all across places where wolves exist, but you don't see them. Another perspective is even coyotes. I have 500, a little over 500 acres I live on in Georgia,

and so I noticed that I was finding all kinds of fawns, and they did a bunch of studies from University of Georgia, Auburn University, talking about how many deer that coyotes eat, which can't blame them. Why would you not eat a fawn in the fawning time of year and feed your pups? So I decided, actually of all people who got me into trapping it was Blake Shelton. He was trapping in Oklahoma. Loves it. And so I'm like my God if this country singer hosted the American you know or the voice can trap I got to get learn about this. So I dug deep in 2019 and 20 man I just dug in and just learned a lot more about trapping and so putting out dirt hole traps or leg hole, dirt hole

traps and different things. So I caught in 2021, I caught like 22 one year, 19 another year, just on 500 acres. And if we go hunting tomorrow, now think about 20 dogs that are smaller than a German Shepherd, but a small, you know, canine dog that lives on your property, some are passing through, to think that in a four-week period I could catch 22 coyotes. That at times, you know, hunting a lot, I would see them time to time. Along that also caught seven fox and two bobcats, and I don't know how many coons and possums. So for people to think that you see this all the time, you don't.

I live there. And when I'm home, every day I'm up and I'm riding, checking food plots, putting in food plots. I got bulldozers, I got different things, tractors trying to make the wildlife habitat better to make sure I got better areas for my turkeys to brood, making sure I'm planting resources. And I don't see these things. And this is all I've ever done.

So the people that live in Aspen are just out of LA, you know, not trying to throw shade on them. But you don't know, man. I don't know how to hit a half pipe like Tony Hawk either. So I'm still learning. And so for me to say that and to think that you can just spend nearly $4.8 million, $5 million to reintroduce wolves and think you're going to get tourists to come out there and look at them.

These wolves, if they could talk, they're like, these people don't have a clue. You're never going to see me. Well, not only that, but they took wolves that were already depredating livestock. Yeah, they moved them. That's the ones that they captured, and they moved them to Colorado where they're going to continue to do the same thing. I just read something the other day. You see they're removing one of those herds?

They're trapping them and removing them because of all the depredation of killing livestock. Guess what? If a mountain lion kills a hundred deer, one, and then he's, okay, God bless the fact that he is nature and he's hunting a deer or an elk, but guess what they do when that starts running low? They're like, man, that dog looks good. Yeah. We were talking about this yesterday, that San Francisco, when they

kill mountain lions in the Bay Area, 50% of their diet is pets. Ain't that something? And all is well. All these PETA members, they're all fine, long as it's your dog and your cat. But all of a sudden, you let a herd of deer come in and eat their $40,000 worth of landscaping and a mountain line kill their pet, they're secretly calling me like, hey, bone collector? I'm not going to lie, that's a little offensive, but... We need you. So how quiet is your bow and arrow? It's like, oh, hypocrisy.

Is this hypocrisy.com calling me? It's like, well, it's uneducated. It's uneducated. They just don't know what they're talking about and they don't have any experience in it. And again, like we talked about the idea, the mass media idea of a hunter is very negative. It's very negative. Very negative.

It's sad because what you'll find too is some of the best people in society. Some of the best people. I mean, they're really down to earth. I mean, set around a campfire with somebody that's grew up very rural, their excitement of talking about everything typically is pretty awesome. Also, their appreciation of hard work. They very much appreciate it. And I think that's, even my dad, man, he's 71 and I said,

Dad, you ain't gonna believe it. Joe Rogan texted me and invited me to come up on the show and he said, Man, I like that Rogan. He said, that dude. It's funny, talking about my dad, I gotta go into that impersonation. That Joe, man, he's stout. He's stout. He works out a lot. You know what I'm thinking? How does my dad know the routine, you know, knows that I like him? You know, of course, he loved that you had Trump on and that you had had kind of bringing some light to that and give him an opportunity to talk. And so I find across the board, same conversation I had talking to some squirrel hunters, talking about Cam Haynes. It's like Cam is a beast.

He runs and he does this stuff. What brought me and Cam back together to even going out and talking on his podcast, we grew up close to the same age, same trajectory. I'm the southern guy. He's a west guy. He's a fitness guy. I'm kind of a little Debbie eater, fried chicken collard green, but we still figured out a way.

I always said, somebody asked me, they said, what's the difference between you and Cameron Haynes? I said, Cameron Haynes runs quickly to the top of the mountain. And I sat down and I called him off the mountain. I'm going to figure out how to communicate with him. And I said, there's a lot of different ways to crack it. There's a lot of different ways to skin the cat, as they would say. But at the end of the day, I was talking to some squirrel hunters over in Alabama.

And these guys, prototypical, what you'd pull up. Look like Billy Coleman from Where the Red Fern Grows, you know, had squirrel dogs. And one of the guys, he had to be in his 60s. And literally I had some chew in the back. He said, man, you friends with that Cameron Haynes? And I said, I am. I said, I've known Cameron a long time. He said, man, he seemed like a good dudenes? And I said, I am. I said, I've known Cameron a long time. He said, man, he seemed like a good dude.

And I don't know why it hit me like this guy, I wouldn't expect to mention Cameron. And so quickly I contacted Cameron. I said, man, I just had a cool conversation. And so he and I quickly kind of said, man, why have we not even hunted together? Like we've been at trade shows and stuff and done some stuff and so that's been really cool for me, an old friend I've known a long time, to get back in camp and the conversations are so funny. We get to laughing and cutting up and

I don't know, it's crazy and so I think it's fun. Well, I think one of the beautiful things about social media for hunting and podcasts for hunting is that people have an opportunity to hear completely different perspective about what it is that wasn't available before that. I got into hunting because I started watching Spirit of the Wild. That's when I got fascinated with it and then I watched Ronella's original show which, oh god, I can't remember the name of it. He had a show before MeatEater. Yeah, god I forget the name of it. He had a show. He wasn't Meat Eater though. No, no, no, before Meat Eater. Yeah.

God, I forget the name of it. But his show, it didn't last very long, but I thought it was really interesting. And I knew Helen Cho, because Helen Cho, who worked with Ronella on that show, she also worked with Bourdain. And so, you know, I was friends with Bourdain and so I got introduced to them through that and Helen got Steve on the show. He didn't even know what a podcast was. He did. He was like, what are we doing here? We went to, we were filming out of the Ice House in Pasadena at that time, the Ice House

is a comedy club in Pasadena and that's where we had our studio. And so, there's Ronella sitting there. He's like, oh, kind of a little dismissive of this. Like what is this nonsense? And then now he's got one of the biggest podcasts in the space. It's funny. He's done a phenomenal job, man.

Oh, he's great. He has. I was, when Ronella had reached out and I had a chance to be on his podcast, I would say I'm a very secure person, but at the same time, I know I'm country. I know I'm the, for lack of better words, the guy that, I kill a lot of stuff.

I ain't no way to say it any better. I could say harvest, pluck, take, but at the end of the day, I grew up where in Georgia, we could kill 10 deer legally a year. So mostly with a bow, and then Alabama, the neighboring state, you could kill a buck and a doe a day for a long time in Alabama. And there was people that tried to do it. It wasn't never, did you get you a good one this year? Like, yep, 47.

Like what? Like, yeah, you know. And so- That's a lot of food. At first, I was, you know, when I first started meeting and hanging with Renell, I thought, man, I hope you don't think I'm just this old redneck, crazy dude that, you know. And then once we've become friends, it gets back to the whole how everything is so much tighter that you realize and how we all have so much respect for each other in different lanes of bringing

it. And it's just like anything. I mean, you know, you got different players on a team, all playing for the same team, but they all have a different skill set. And so we all grow up a little different. And so again, I just assumed growing up in my small little area just out of Manchester, Woodbury, Georgia, I really think the area I was from is called Booger Bottom, Georgia. And I just thought, well, Booger Bottoms are everywhere.

Well, you find out there is a lot of different little names. There are no lights there. But I just really assumed everybody did. And I was just completely devastated when I went to the city. And I'd tell somebody like, man, what do you do? It's like, man, I work for a company. We do hunting shows, T&N. I'm so proud thinking, man, I should be able to pass out

a business card and meet a girl with this. Like, oh my god, you're a killer. You kill Bambi. And it just, bro, it just completely devastated. Because you had never been around people who were anti-hunting. I'd never had. I didn't know it existed. I mean, I was that naive. I did not know it existed.

How old were you when you first encountered people that were anti-hunting? I was in my early twenties. Wow. I was in my early twenties. How hard was it to wrap your head around that? It blew me away. And people that eat meat too, by the way, right? Yeah.

It was really weird. It really hit me when I started traveling. I literally was like a kid that was just, you know, getting up every morning for Christmas. I was having a chance to work for Bill Jordan and I had met him through winning a turkey calling contest and he asked me, him and David Blanton, I can't say enough great things about Bill and David. David Blanton believed in me when, I mean, he always believed in me so much and he said, hey man, we'd love love you to help guide hunters and back then everything around hunting was media outdoor live field and stream

So there wasn't any hunting shows, but then about that same time TNN after these NASCAR races Introduced an outdoor block which if you go back and look people like Jackie Bushman at the time What year was this? This would have been for me been 90 It had been a 92 or 3 or 4 somewhere right in there. Did they even have rangefinders back then? people like Jackie Bushman at the time. What year was this? This would have been for me, it'd been a 92 or three or four, somewhere right in there. Did they even have rangefinders back then? No rangefinders. I bought the first one I'd ever seen. It was a Bush nail and I still work with Bush nail. The thing looked like a car battery. I had safety straps. I had like chains. I like one strongest man contest to hold this thing up, but they had the little ones you could roll and And it even tell you when the temperature changes. It's gonna give you an inaccurate. It's gonna change with the weather

But no it was you know just guessing but uh was it a laser range? It was a the the first ones was like a roller you rolled two things I forget how exactly it worked, but it come and it gave you old two things I forget how exactly it worked but it come and it gave you basically a rough estimate and it'd be like 42 yards and then Bushnell to my knowledge come out with one it was a bigger one it looked like said it kind of looked like a small battery is big and it had a laser on it and you could range it and it gave you you know the yardage and obviously it wasn't angle compensating it didn't have any of the arc, the angle,

range compensation, it had any of that. And the first person I ever saw that even talked about that was Chuck Adams. I was videoing with him back in those TNN days. And Chuck- We should explain to people, like the angle compensation is like an arrow is quicker going downhill.

So if you're shooting uphill or downhill, the angle, you have to gauge how fast the arrow is going to go, the feet per second based on the angle. So if it might look like it's 50 yards as the crow flies, your rangefinder might say 42. Correct. And you got to put your side at 42 yards, otherwise it'll shoot right over its back. And it works. Yeah, it works really well.

It's unbelievable. And that to me, I didn't know existed. Have you ever fucked around with those Garmin sights? No, I haven't. I've always wanted to try one. It's great in theory and great when it works. So when it works. Yeah, I've had a problem with it a couple of times and I gave up on them.

And I'm hoping they're going to get better. And then they outlawed them in Utah. I tried to bring it to Utah a couple of years ago, and they had passed a law, maybe last year. And the best thing about it, though, it's like a red dot. You get that dot. You have a clear sight picture. You can see just that dot.

Just that dot on the vitals. It's amazing. And the fact that you could go to full draw and just press a button to range, and then say maybe the animal moves 15 yards to the left. Just hit it again. Just press it again and you get a range and you have a perfect shot. But some people think that that's cheating.

But it's just taking a step out. Instead of picking your range finder off your binopouch and checking it and then changing your sight and then drawing back with this, you're doing it right from draw. So from full draw, you can just keep getting ranges. And then you can also hit it once and then a second time and you'll get pins. So you get 20 to 80. Nice. Yeah. So even if you... So then all your pins will come up based on that. But if you just want an accurate range. You get that one button press and it'll give you exact range. And it's based on,

everything is compensated into the sight itself. So angle compensation is built into the sight itself. You put in the speed of your arrow. So if you're shooting 285 feet per second. Exactly, it's all factored into your bow. It's pretty incredible. I liked that a lot because And I think I've heard you even mention this what I what I love about archery is obviously you got these windows

Everything ain't just sitting out in the yard where you're shooting right shooting through the woods, especially if you out there elk hunting you got these windows and There was a site years ago that I remember and it worked in theory great But it was simply wasn't like the range or the garment but they had these fiber optics that were glued to the middle of a basically of a piece of glass that went into the site housing so you would buy this glass housing that okay if your bow was 280 feet per sack or 290 or 300 320 and your pins were So you went in and got your top pins dialed in. So then you had all these, but your sight viewing was good.

The problem was when it rained or if it got dirty. Foggy. Yeah. And what I did like about that is the fact that the reason I've always liked pins, multiple pins, is the fact that I could see my whole sight picture where my arrow's going from 20 all the way out to even if I'm shooting 80 in this case

Most of my sights I set up from say 20 to 60 or 20 to 70 I try to put as many pins on my side as I can a lot of people don't like it Because they think it's clutter But once I've mentally got used to it if I range a bull say 65 when I pull back Without having doing any other calculations. I put my 60-yard pin on that bull. It's in the clear. And then quickly, now it's like a memory of going back and I quickly go back up to my 20-yard pin and I'm looking all the way down through and estimating, is this arrow going

to arc through? But basically from 20 all the way out to my desired where I want to hit, I can see the arc of my arrow based on my pin set. Good. So you know if there's a gap in the trees, you're going to be able to get right in there. I know if I'm at 60 holding dead on that clear spot, but I got a limb at 30 and my 30-yard pin's in the middle of it, I know like, oh crap, I'm going to hit that, so now I can just squat down. So that's why I don't like as much a single pin technology.

And then quickly, what I like about the pins, it's clutter, it's kind of old fashioned but I do like that a lot from that standpoint of trajectory of the ability to kind of kill or to take and fill a tag and Cam and I talked a lot about those things. We talked a lot about the release. I definitely like that. I like the handheld from a, if I really want to try to hone in and be a little more disciplined and kind of the feel it go, not feel it go off and shoot with completely surprise. I like that, but I don't think that traditionally works as great

for hunting because of the fact, I think you do have to know and to make that error go right now if you consistently have to. Even in Texas, I mean we're shooting animals at 20 to 30 yards, those deer. Sometimes the opportunity is right there. Sometimes they walk in, they're dog on a doe, they're coming in. Every deer ain't coming in just to eat corn or to eat in the food plot. They're coming in, they got one thing on their mind and that's, you know, mama is ready. And so they're coming in grunting so that deer runs He stops and you got a bit full draw know he's 27 come back and you got to send it right now

You know what I describe it as the difference between practicing free throws and basketball 100% that's it Stefan Curry. Yeah, it's not it is I mean you don't get a chance to set up Yes, and have a surprise shot 100% That's a great way to make it. That's really what it is. I think practicing, sure, but I think there's moments where you got to make that sucker go off. Oh man, yeah. But then there's great hunters like Levi Morgan who hunts with a hinge.

Dude, I mean just an animal. He's probably the most decorated archer that I know. That dude- Maybe of all time. Yeah, because like Ulmer, Gillingillingham all those guys are heroes of mine I mean like I very much look up to him and if I can ever pull him aside I just wear him out trying to learn you know right and but Levi is right there dude far as winning and what he knows And he you know another thing about Levi. I got to give him credit that dude is a cold-blooded killer man

He is a great hunter too. Sometimes I don't translate I know some people that are great Tarta tournament, right? I mean 3d tournament ASA IDO winners, right? But it doesn't go over into the ability to just feel tax free throws versus basketball Yeah, no doubt is like you're standing weird one leg is down one leg is up You know, you're on the side of a hill. You gotta cant your bow a little bit. You know, you lean your bubble into the wind. There's a lot of shit going on.

A lot. A lot of shit going on. And then you got the nerves. You never get completely over that. You know, people ask me all the time, do you ever get nervous or get buck fever? Like, man, almost every time. It's like, I think that's when, if some of that,

yes, you get good at kind of somewhat like stage fright. I saw a clip of Elvis Presley. I thought it was so unique. I saw a clip of Elvis Presley the other day on this YouTube clip, and he was completely in panic. And this was like right in the prime of his career, and he was walking around, and it was a narrator saying, yes, Elvis notoriously would get just afraid every time he went on fray.

And I'm like, this is the king. Right. But he was just pacing, and he was being short with a couple of people I wish I and um anyway he walks out there I'm sure he crushes it but I think it's similar to probably how some of those football players running out on the field there's no way you had all this clicking in your head like ah man I gotta remember Belichick has told me that he's introduced this new offense I'm not sure I don't know if I can read, I don't know how I'm gonna read this offense. I think hunting's similar is to where

everything has to click, but you still get that now is my opportunity. And dude, it still is overwhelming. And then to control it, and then when you fit that arrow through that window, and then you can pick up the phone and call your family and say, baby doll, don't buy no steak, cuz I'm bringing it home Yes, it's it's it's again. It's just an uh, it's not like you want to

Disrespect the animal but you just achieve something your grocery shopping in the wild is what yeah. Yeah I think it's something that's very difficult to do that You care a lot about and any time to something that's very difficult to do that you care a lot about and anytime there's something that's very difficult to do that you care a Lot about you're gonna get nervous 100% and then when and especially with hunting there's one moment where you pull that trigger this one moment Yeah, this one moment. So you've been practicing you've been preparing you packing your gear getting ready all for this millisecond in time when you You release that arrow and you watch,

right in there. And it's very difficult to master. I don't think you ever master, you become proficient at it. You become good at it. But even the best hunters make bad shots sometimes. Absolutely. Animal moves, the wind takes the arrow in a weird direction,

it hits a branch going in, you see it all the time. It's not an easy thing to do, so of course you're going to have those nerves, but that's part of the reward of being successful, is that if you can get through that nervousness, and I think it helps you in everything you do in life. I think anytime you do something really hard, very difficult, I think that ability to overcome that difficult scenario helps you with everything in life. 100% and when it comes to archery too, you're on that ragged line to where in your subconscious you can go from you can be the hero or you can be zero that quick. Right. All of that time, the money, the

energy, the time that you did step away from the Netflix special in your case because hey I'm elk hunting. Right. You know you got to somehow communicate with your buddies. Oh man I missed. Or worse, I made a bad shot. Let's let them lay. And so everything that you look forward to that whole year, you could let yourself down. So it's a very individual lonely feeling. Yeah and you can't think about that before you pull the trigger. You. You can never think, I hope I don't make a bad shot, because you'll make a bad shot. You can't. And I'm always, are you always positively thinking when you're like, I'm about to put

it on him? Yeah. Are you thinking positive? I have to. I do too. Yeah, I think you have to. I was interested, you know, I was talking, I mentioned Chuck Adams. Chuck told me that he did that exact opposite.

He said sometimes I would say, hey, I'm going to do my best. I'll probably fail. It was almost like Mr. Rogers neighborhood. I said, you're kidding me. And then to me, this guy's the beast. And the only other person in history I've ever heard that there was a guy named Kenny Bartram is a motocross. He was the first guy to ever do a backflip on a, on a, on a

motorcycle and he landed it. And so he went hunting with us one time in Texas, and I said, Kenny, how much weed do you got to smoke to get on a bike and think you can do a flip for the first time? He said, man, I just always thought I'd probably kill myself, but I tried. I said, so you never thought you would land it? He said, no, every time I try a trick, I think I'm about to wad it up. I said, oh my God, how do you do that? I'm thinking about me and my buddy Boo Bishop building a BMX track and building a little

something we jumped over and thinking I'd be scared. They're like, I can do this. Just jump over a little ramp. I never thought, yeah, jumping the ramp, like I'm probably going to crash. I always would think I could. Then when I crashed, I'd be surprised. I can't believe that that hurt You know so Chuck and Kenny was only guys I've ever thought that thought that you know

That's a weird psychology. I don't think that's the best way to approach it Me either. I wonder is there ever a comedian that walks out like hey, I'm probably gonna bomb But I'm gonna do the best I can or I'm gonna play this guitar the best I can I don't know. I just sometimes people talk like that, but I think they're fishing for compliments. For their own self-drive to. I think, man, I hope this works well. And then friends are like, come on, man, you're fucking hilarious, you're gonna kill it.

Well, you think they might be like fishing for compliments. Yeah, kinda like you're tired and it's third down and it's like, dude, come on, man, I'm gonna be open, hit me. Buster too, I know you're limping, hit me. I'll go, yeah, okay, yeah, yeah." Yeah, you need a little of that sometimes. Yeah. Yeah. I think these experiences that we have that when we relay it to people, it's one of the only places, like in podcasts, the only places where you can hear it this way. And I think that's what we're battling against. We're battling against the media

representations of hunting which is almost entirely negative and these perceptions that people have that hunters are cruel and then there's this term trophy. That is the mule deer that I killed with Renella. That was the first mule deer I ever killed. I love that. And you know you could say that this is not a trophy mule deer. It's not a very big Far as mule deers go this is you know mature buck. Well. He's not a big one Oh, he's but he's beautiful to me. This is this is where it all started and this is a trophy This is not if you went to a trophy unit, and you shot a deer like this people like what are you doing? Why'd you shoot this why didn't you hold out for a big mature one?

out a deer like this, people are like, what are you doing? Why'd you shoot this? Why didn't you hold out for a big mature one? But the term trophy gets thrown around and unfortunately has a negative connotation. But I think Ted puts it the best way, Ted Nugent. Yep. He says, it's all the things. It's food, it's trophy, it's sport.

It's all those things together. I don't think of it as a sport Like you said, I think the term sport it's Sports are awesome. Don't get me wrong, but it's not Significant enough. I agree for what hunting is hundred percent. I like that. You're you're taking a life. You're feeding yourself with that life It's more it's more powerful than sport. And that's why I think when you call it this sport of hunting, I don't like that term.

I agree with that too. As a matter of fact, if there's any negative thing, I think the hunting industry and even TV shows that we produce can put a negative vibe potentially on trying to kill these big trophy animals. Don't get me wrong, there's nothing wrong with it. I mean, you're hunting Utah in the places we get a chance to hunt, absolutely. You're looking for, in that case, a seven to eight-year-old bull. Sometimes they might score 320 to 370.

At the end of the day, the trophy is for sure a mature animal. But you also got to keep in perspective, especially if you grow up where I did, where literally there's 10 guys shared a 300 300 acre property that they just want to deer hunt and they're trying to get away. Keep in mind, they're still managing a family. They're still dealing with the economy. They're still dealing with everyday strife of, man, how am I gonna get off work, still get my kid to soccer practice or football practice. My wife is pissed off. I hadn't even took her to Applebee's in the last three months, you know? And it's like, I didn't take the kids to Disney World, and the only family picture we got

in front of the show, and he's big boy. So man, what am I going to do? But in the back of my mind, it's like, I sure would like to get off, maybe Saturday I could spend a little time and go over to the hunt lease and hang out, maybe get a chance to shoot a deer. They're not necessarily thinking, I got to kill a deer to put it in Pope and Young and Arbun and Crockett. They're looking, it's more than just a hunt.

It is a getaway. It's a, I call it, it's a cheapest, you know, antidepressant you can get on to where you can clear your mind, you can get away, hopefully you can turn your phone off, get up in a tree stand or a saddle, whatever it is where you're hunting public or private. And we miss that in the hunting industry so many times. And there's people that are literally busting their ass for their family. It's not a sport to hunt, but it's therapeutic. They grew up doing it, to be able to sit around a fire with other men and women sometimes

and get away to cleanse yourself of everything that's going on. And unfortunately, I think that's what drives people sometimes crazy in the even in the city sometimes I walked around Austin today early had me a nice breakfast and I just walked around and ended up running to this children's network that was trying to raise money where you can kind of adopt a kid and give them so much a month so man I did again I talked to everybody I hey, man, what y'all selling over here? Like, oh, man, normally people don't come up and talk to us. We have to sell them.

This guy from Europe and a sweet girl that was, you could tell, born and raised right around here. Anyway, with that said, I ended up, you know, I said, man, I wanna pledge some money every month. So I picked me out a kid in Guatemala. And so anyway, with that said, about that time, here comes a street person. And he is cussing me and her, and that fell out.

I mean, the most vile words you could, I mean, cussing like a sailor, as they would say, metaphorically, and I'm like, man, what's wrong with this guy? So I said, y'all get this a lot? You know, and it was just before, not far from when I come over here. And the girl said, yeah, we do get that a lot.

And the guy with the British accent or the European accent said, you know We get it quite a bit, you know, he said but I think there's a bad batch of something right now and I'm like Oh really? He said You know, he said man people have been really mean lately they've been yelling and cussing and screaming at us and well by the time the guy comes back and he's like you MFers I know everything and everybody's retarded andarded. And I'm like, and he's right there. And I'm at the point to where, man, you know, I ain't scared. And you can tell their experience more than I do. And I'm sitting there watching this guy. And then all of a sudden, he's just yelling and screaming. I said, hey, buddy. I said,

just so you know, we on your side, man. We love you, bro. I said,, you right, you know a lot more than people realize, you know a hell of a lot more than people realize. And I said, you cool, I'm on your team, so are they. And he said, and it was crazy, Joey looked at him and said, thank you. He left. And it hit me, it was so weird, I got a little off track when I was talking about hunting, but I thought, man, the dude don't even really want to be understood. He wants to be heard.

And I thought, how ironic that I'm going to speak with Joe today. And anyway, the girl and the guy says, I've never seen that happen. That just got diffused. You treated him like a human. Yeah. And sometimes it's almost like I've never figured out completely a lady, my wife. Sometimes it's always a game. And I've learned that I don't know that I'll ever understand exactly what it is she wants,

but I know she wants me to hear and pay attention. And I think that's what society's doing, whether you're a hunter, whether you're from the city. But overall, what I have found, whether you live in the city or the country, whether you're from the city. But overall, what I have found, whether you live in the city or the country, whether you get a chance to go to a rave or go to the mothership, which I hope to go by there tonight, I just want to check out the joint, you know? And so anyway, when it's all said and done, there's something about the peace and tranquility

that you can refuel out in the woods and it brings everything to a focal point and you can be still and be quiet and it brings everything back. So in reality, it's not about people going to think of you different if you shoot the biggest high scoring animal that you can put in the Bopen Young or the Boone and Crockett record books. I think those of us, once we learn to respect each other and love each other's goals, that

yeah, if I know that your goal is to shoot say a 390 bull that one day you know I'll get a call and you're gonna be hyperventilating you like I just did it like what like dude I swear you know. Well for people don't understand why that's so interesting to us it's because they're the most difficult ones to get because they're the older wiser ones that's that's and also yeah when you look at it from a conservation standpoint, those are the ones that you want to hunt because those are the ones who spread their genes and they're probably about to get taken out by nature anyway. If you get an eight-year-old elk or a nine-year-old elk or a ten-year-old elk, how many years

do they have left? I shot one ten-year-old elk once. His teeth were worn down to almost nothing. How much time did they have left? I shot one 10-year-old elk once. His teeth were worn down to almost nothing. Just an old tank. How much time did he have left? Not much. If most likely he was going to either starve to death or freeze to death or get stabbed in a fight with another elk, he'd get stabbed and wind up-

Mountain lion jump on him. Yeah, mountain lion jump on him or freeze to death or a number of other very, very cruel endings that mean I shot that elk at 40 yards. It was a perfect shot. He was down in 15 seconds. It was no tracking. So it's like that elk died the best way possible. Yes he did.

Yes he did. He's not, he's not, they don't live forever and become angels. And that is a very good death compared to a pack of wolves or mountain lions starting to eat on you sometimes before they're even deceased that happens all there's so many videos especially bears oh bears are brutal man oh bears are very brutal and selfish animals man crazy like hunting bears is the thing you get the most hate for oh everybody thinks they're cuddly i mean i don't know if it's a winnie the pooh

type of thing 100 but it's a Winnie the Pooh type of thing. 100%. But it's like... Teddy bears and yogi and all that shit. We're all distorted. Like when people say you've hunt bears, I go, I've eaten bears. I've eaten three bears. They're delicious. Yeah. Like what? You eat bears? I'm like, I'll make you some bear sausage and I'll tell you what. You will fucking love it. If especially if I don't tell you what it is, you go, what is this? This is great. It's like it seems like beef, but different. And then if they knew how a bear's personality was, they would want to kill them.

Oh, they'll kill their own kids. Oh yeah, and eat them. To breed mama, to eat them. It's just a brutal world. There was things before I even had a chance to hunt that I recognized just domestically, you know, raising rabbits. Those rabbits would sometimes kill the little baby rabbits for the right and opportunity to breed again real quick with the female in the pen. And I realized, and my pawpaw said, you've got to separate them.

That buck rabbit killed that. I'm like, man, I didn't know that. You know, I'm 10, 11 years old trying to figure out how to raise some rabbits. Or watching hogs, you know, pigs. It ain't always had on a raised floor pen. He'd had raised up a few hogs. Man, them jokers are trying to kill each other, mean. You know who does it?

Dolphins. Dolphins? Are they brutal like that? Dolphins. We think of them sweet, intelligent. They commit infanticide all the time. What dolphin females have to do is they have to breed with as many males as possible because when a female dolphin has babies, she has to take care of that baby for about six years. So when the male dolphins recognize a female with babies and they don't know that female, those are not his babies, he'll kill those babies so that female dolphin will breed.

So he wants to breed her. So she will breed with everybody possible So nobody knows who the babies are and so since they're intelligent they understand it They've they've bred with that female before so that could be their their babies, so they don't kill them So basically all the dolphins are hoes all hoes Yeah, that's how they have to be that otherwise their babies get killed so they've adopted this Yeah, that's how they have to be. Otherwise their babies get killed. So they've adopted this polyamorous strategy

to try to kill, to keep the male dolphins from killing the babies. Well, that's amazing. I mean, you watch the breeding season during elk, like you was talking about, those elk fighting. And ironically, they never, they never get things confused. Those males are looking for the females. The females know that I'm gonna breed with this dude

and strong to survive. They are, a lot of people say, oh, they're really not trying to kill each other. No, you wasn't out there. I didn't watch this on that geo. They're trying to murder each other. Oh, I've seen some amazing, epic elk fights. It's some of the greatest things to see in nature, these big 800 pound animals running at each other with swords growing out of their heads.

It's clash. It sounds like an old, like some kind of Scottish fight back in the 1400s. Like a sword fight almost. It's like cracking baseball bats together against each other. And you hear it loud. You're like, oh shit, they're fighting. And you go over there and watch it. It gives you cold chills. Oh, it's amazing.

It's crazy to watch the brutality of it. And you know, you'll find them occasionally dead them occasionally dead because one of them had stabbed one. We found one, I think I have video of it on my phone. We were hunting him. He had a six inch tine sticking out of his neck. Holy cow. It was broken off, sticking out of his neck, and he's still running his cows and bugling. I'm sure I have it.

We had the same similar thing in New Mexico this year. Nick Munt, who's one of my best friends, we hunt a lot together, he shot a good bull. Like first morning, I was called and it was classic man bull come in. He shot it and we were caping them out there on the side of the hill and all of a sudden he said, look here, man. He had a tine, again, about four inches and it was broke off. Just right, all pussed up. Yeah, nasty.

And this dude still come in. Yeah, I'm gonna send Jamie this picture because it's so or the video because it's so crazy. It's so cool though to see that and experience it and I think it's sad that most people don't know and there's a lot of very smart people that in some cases they think it might be a little beneath them to understand what maybe hunting is truly about other than maybe what they see on a Walt Disney movie. I think that has definitely kind of fueled me to be able to help educate and talk about those things.

I know Renella has done an amazing job of introducing that too. There's a lot of great ambassadors we've got right now doing that. Yeah, it's a great time to be educated about this and it's a great time. And there's a lot of people that have gotten really interested in hunting from those kinds of conversations with Renella and with Cam and yourself. How did you eventually get started doing it? Because that's every young guy's dream that is ever hunted. Like, oh my God, imagine like making a living doing that. Like, that's what I would love to do. How did you pull that off? One of the coolest stories actually, and only in America, you don't hear the story in Turkmenistan,

but you know, I grew up obviously, like I said, rule, I love to hunt and fish. Very simple. My dad was a contractor. So I really thought that I wanted to maybe work with my dad or do what he did, hands-on labor. I knew I didn't want to be in office anyway. I'll try to keep it short, but basically what I ended up doing is just enthralled. My mom passed away when I was young, 16, and so my dad and I become more like brothers. My dad, he had a ninth grade education, hardest working man I've ever been around. And so anyway, we loved to hunt and fish

and to become therapeutic. And so I got into turkey calling and had won some contests and met some of my turkey calling heroes. And that's where I met Bill Jordan and David Blanton. And I started guiding when I was probably 19. And then one thing led to another, started working full time there at Realtree. And just as a guide, as a camera guy, they had that show on TNN. And then one thing led to another, started working full time there at Realtree.

And just as a guide, as a camera guy, they had that show on TNN. And so I was just literally camera jockeying it from skin and deer, guide and turkey hunters. And it was David Blanton who said, man, you know, there's a lot more you could do. And so I kind of by default, Joe, how I got lucky too was when I hooked up with those guys, David Blanton and Bill, I got lucky too was when I hooked up with those guys, David Blanton and Bill, I got to do some of the turkey calling tips because I had won some contests. So even back on TNN, I was this young kid and they were like, hey, we need a tip.

The TNN Tip of the Week brought to you about fill line packs, something like, hey man, I'm Michael Waddley. I want to talk to you about yelping at turkeys. I ain't know nothing about TV. So it was never top of mind. Like one day I'll be hunting on TV. I was just thinking, man, I love this enough that maybe I can work for this company.

And I remember they pay me a hundred dollars a day to go guide somebody turkey hunting. And I told my dad, man, I'm about to get rich. And listen to this, they'll pay you this thing called mileage. I had an old beat upup Toyota truck, four-cylinder, and I said, Dad, those suckers will pay me a mileage. I don't forget what it is, but heck, if I drive an hour, I make money.

And then if you stop at a convenience store, you keep your receipt, and they'll pay for your snacks, everything. I couldn't believe that, because I grew up with my dad working. Like, oh, Timmy just fell off the roof. Like, well, call his, let's call his wife, tell him to come get him. And then my dad be like, huh, you all right? And I go, oh, I think I broke my leg. Hell, you know, it's like, oh, dang, well, you probably gonna be here tomorrow, are you?

Like, you know, I doubt it. I mean, it was just rough, almost cowboy shit, you know? And so I couldn't believe this, you know, and so one thing led to another and that was in the early 90s, right out of high school and I'm 51 now and that was in the early 90s and in 1994 and five everything started heating up and in 96 David Blanton offered me a full-time job to work in production. That had to be so surreal to be able to make a living doing this thing that you love when no one even thought it was a job when you were a kid. Yeah. It was not a to be able to make a living doing this thing that you love when no one

even thought it was a job when you were a kid. Yeah. It was not a thing you aspired to. No. And my family took it hard. My grandmom and my uncles were like, I might as well just got on crack and been on the street. They're like, I'd went to heating and air school and got a degree and worked a year

with barringers heating and cooling out of Zebulon, Georgia. And I had me a truck, had my name on it, you know, Michael, you know, and had me my refrigeration tools and every Christmas my dad, oh boy, I got you another flaring kit. I mean, just blue collar culture. And all of a sudden, you know, I'm coming in telling the family, like, hey, I don't know if I'm going to keep doing the heating and air deal. You know, like, what? Like you got a truck, son.

You got your own uniform. You know, you got benefits. I'm like, yeah, but there's this camouflage company wanting me to take Dale Earnhardt turkey hunting. And my dad was the only one that got it. Everybody else is like, it was an intervention. Like I'd go to Christmas and like, hey, nephew, let me pull pull you aside. Now you know you can't make a living at this hunting and fishing thing, you know. Like, well I don't know but I'm young and man

this would be really cool. I love this more than anything but it was kind of that whole situation of... It wasn't a job before. It wasn't a job and I was trusting them but I was sitting there thinking like I'm pretty sure Bill Jern's rich. I mean I saw him with a Mercedes. He had a Mercedes Benz and matter of fact there's a real funny story about that Mercedes Benz but I couldn't believe it and so my grandmom was like, son when you get tired of this just go have fun with it but come back to it.

Almost no different than if you're a young kid, like I'm going to Nashville, I want to play a guitar and sing. Right. Maybe I can be the next Luke Bryan. Yeah. And somebody in the family was like, oh, when it gets right, he'll come back, jump in the family business, start putting these shingles on the roof. Yeah.

He'll get back in the sheetrock and just give him a chance. Hell, he was one of the best concrete guys I knew. That kid would work. He could run a bull float like some bitch, you know? And so that was me. And all of a sudden, they offered me a full-time job. Wasn't a lot of money. And I remember going back and saying, you know, hey, they got all these things. 401K, they got benefits, help, I got eye and dental.

And I get to go on all these epic trips. And I met amazing people. Hunted with people that I was just shell-shocked. I remember I met Leonard Skinner Band in a NASCAR suite one time, the maddest I ever got at Bill Jordan. Maddest I ever got. Of course, you know, Ronnie had passed on and half the members, but it was Johnny Van Zandt and it was Rossington. And I'm sitting there, a redneck kid, I'm at Atlanta Motor Speedway, like I can't believe it, there's Mark Martin's wife, and I'm like, man I have made it, and I'm gonna there, a redneck kid, I'm at Atlanta Motor Speedway, like I can't believe it. There's Mark Martin's wife, and I'm like, man, I have made it.

I'm gonna wear chicken fingers. And, bro, all of a sudden I look, the door opens, and there was just people in there. It's the Leonard Skinner band. Looked just like, you know, like what I pictured. And I'm like, oh my God, you know, I'm freaking out. And Bill said, hey, ain't that a band? I said, that's not only a band, that's Leonard Skinner. And Bill Jordan said, what are they saying? I said, I swear to God, I ain't never hit my boss, but I'm about to knock you out.

Are you kidding me? And I'll never forget, I went over there and I was just, you know, I got a chance to meet them. But so many people I met and I couldn't believe it. And one thing led to another, and really what the biggest break I had was David Blanton, who was like a big brother, I mean, like a father. And he was just such a good guy, good Christian guy,

good hunter. Outdoor Channel was just coming on. Outdoor Channel was really kind of coming on. But at the time, you know, the kind of beat your chest kind of pride was the fact that you could be on ESPN and our TNN. And then TNN had been through a situation where I think it was Viacom had some big merger that was part of the MTV thing. And so they quickly through their kind of culturally said, hey, we need to kind of do away with this hunting thing. These guys are killing stuff and it become the Nashville, it was a Nashville

network, then it becomes the national network, then it becomes Spike TV. And so everything moved over, all the the big Sunday night block move over to ESPN, but you couldn't show impact. Well about that time they started the outdoor channel on cable TV. They were looking for distribution. And so it was David Blanton. He said, Michael, we need to come up with a cool hook. And we need to create a show over on Outdoor Channel. And so getting back to meeting these people, and what I found, it was fascinating.

And it's just the same with these conversations you have, these people that you just look up to. Yeah, you meet some people that are interesting and weird, but for the most part, you're like, wow, these guys are super cool, super talented. And that's what I was finding when I would run into a country singer. I remember Mark Chestnut sitting around and drinking whiskey and him playing the guitar

and singing Hank Williams Jr. song, running into Bo Cephas, running into Leonard Skinner and all those guys. And I'm like, man, these guys are so down to earth and cool. And I realized that there was more to this hunting than just the staunch, you know, here we go with the Encinitas Ratch. Today we're hunting the Mesquite Flats of Encinaul,

you know, with the coyotes abundant, there's a big buck around the corner. How are you gonna do? Yeah, and it was just like, at the time it was class. It was so sanitized though. Yeah, it was so sanitized. Everybody was starched. You go to a hunting show, everybody had on khakis.

I mean, it's almost like it was a facade. And I remember telling David Blanton, I said, I think what we're missing is the culture and the fun. And everybody was very serious. And you should be serious if you're going to go take a bow and arrow or a rifle and take the life of a wild animal. But the camp life was so amazing. And we'd have different personalities, different

NFL athletes. We would have comedians, people like Jeff Foxworthy, and I was just so pleased that these people that I adored and was big fans of was people that you could sit around and and have a glass of sweet tea or a cold beer and just laugh. And they were as real, possibly more entertaining in person, kind of like you talk about Theo. People ask, he's really funny. Well, you should have been with us at this UFC fight. We couldn't even watch the fight. The guy's cracking us up.

And so I told David, I said, I think most of these people, if we could do a show, kind of document and just to camp life and the reality of how much fun you have, I think we could sell that fun. And so David said, do it. He said, he said, matter of fact, you host it. And I'm like, no, no, no, I'm not coming in here to pitch you to, for me to host a show. Behind the scenes, I'll guide, I'll run camera,

I'll help edit, produce. He'd sent me to Maine to this international film and art school to learn how to edit on nonlinear, the first avid. So I'm up there like, dude, I'm big. I got my business card, like, yeah, for real tree You know out there on TNN You know I'm I'm over there and I found out that was where it really hit me that a lot of people didn't like hunting Like oh my god

You kill animals and I had all these beta tapes and I remember I had Dale Earnhardt killing the deer on there And I told the instructor I said I need to learn how to put this in the computer and build a hunt out of it Because everything was a B roll editing and I knew how to do that pretty good I said, but I need to learn how to do it on this non-linear. He said, oh my God, we never, we struggle to get footage. Y'all got these $80,000 cameras, because Bill was one of the first people to buy these really high dollar beta cameras

that we was out videoing with and putting them in the wild. And so anyway, as I showed the footage, he said, man, can we use this and let the class use this footage as a project to build storylines? Because I had the cut footage, he said, man, can we use this and let the class use this footage as a project to build storylines? Because I had the cutaways, you know, back then you'd shoot the animal, you'd video that, then you'd go back, okay, push your safety off. Like now?

Like you'd pretend. You'd pretend. So it was like a reenactment. Now let's go back and build the pre-hunt, you know, and it'd be like Dale Earnhardt walking through the forest with his gargoyles on or however and he's camouflaged like, Yeah, we're going down here to a ridge flat a lot of Akron's up there. Well, the deer has been dead a long time ago obviously by the time we shot that and So he loved that the instructor because it gave us a chance to put the storyline and I thought man

I'm gonna be the hero, you know All these little girls up here in Maine and I ain't never seen a lot of people with purple hair and stuff and I could tell it was kind of that cool hippie trend and it was artsy. But in my mind, I'm like, I'm just having a good time. And anyway, dude, immediately, Joe, it become a protest. There was two or three people stood up in the class like, we're not using this. We cannot. We will walk out.

These animals are getting dead. If you can prove these animals were not harmed. And I'm like, no, they're all dead. They ain't harmed. I mean, they're dead. If you can prove these animals were not harmed." And I'm like, no, they're all dead. They ain't harmed. I mean, they're dead. And finally, I had a little bit of a meltdown, because that was one of the first times that it really hit me where I had a mass of people saying, you know, almost felt like the Antichrist, because I'm the guy killing deer. Right, right. And I thought it was going to be the opposite. I was ready to name drop. Like, look,

I got Dale Earnhardt. I videoed him shooting deer deal. I'll trade to name drop and it just all- You just had never experienced anti-hunting. Never. And so I learned that and then one thing led to another. I remember I went to an instructor. I said, man, look, I'm a little bit bothered. It is what it is. But even if you have to teach me after class, I need to learn how to do this. I'm a student, but I come up here. My employer sent me up here. I gotta learn how to do this. So I came back pretty efficient as a nonlinear editor. All of it didn't have any desire to know that that's what I wanted to do, but I was just

wanting to sweep the warehouse. If you want me to edit, you want me to take somebody hunting, you need me to put up a fence, skin them up, whatever. And then when David gave me that opportunity to do Realtree Road Trips back in the day, it was in 2003, it aired, we shot it in 2002. That's when everything for me, because it was all about personality, it was all about having fun,

and that's kinda, we kinda come up with a tagline, this is a different kinda hunting show. Well, you were the first guy to bring fun and personality to hunting television. Oh, yeah, we tried so hard. You know, we just want to be real. You were the first guy that it looked like you were having a good time with your friends.

It wasn't this stuffy presentation of like hunting, like here he goes in the wild of Montana. Yeah, he won't go far. Grizzly bears abound. Yeah. Hunting for the elusive mule deer. Exactly. The hilarious whitetail uses secondary screams as he approaches his staging area.

Exactly. You were having a good time. You were laughing and cutting up. And I think that's what made you famous in that world. You were representative of what people really liked, is just someone having a good time and enjoying themselves, which is really what a lot of the hunting is, is a lot of bonding and camaraderie. Like the camp time is almost as fun as the hunting time. Oh!

And you're all just sort of winding down at the end of the day, having a good time together, relaxing, telling stories and laughing. It was. And even to this day, it's kind of still where we kind of settle in. And it's like, you know, honestly, I'm not really trying to out hunt anybody, but we'll try to out-fun everybody.

And so if you come to camp, you know, and this myself, big old T-bone, you know, he lost his leg, so he's not hunting with us as much. He can't get around to cancer, he lost his leg. And then, but Nick and I, I mean, we're going to have a good time. And if you desire to get serious, which we do encourage, hey, it's time to buckle down. There's a time for fun.

There's a time to haunt it in. But we just try our best to make it fun. And I've learned that if you do that and you can make friends, that's the biggest form of the trophy you'll ever get. Yes, that's a trophy. But the stories you got with sitting with Ronella and the people around the camp and that experience, you meet people from all over the country, in our case the world, and then next thing you know it's like even more special. And so I know people, I say a lot, I know people that's got some amazing trophy rooms, but they're lonely, they dusty, and they really ain't made a lot of friends because they were so beaten their chest to kill the next biggest thing

Yeah that they forgot that the trophy is relationships and the adventure and yes Inevitably this this deer that's hanging on the wall that your family has enjoyed Over a period of sometimes a year sometimes it take you a year to eat elk right a full elk it's a lot of meat, but I Don't know man. It's just an amazing journey. And I mean, I never felt like I was that talented, other than the fact I just had a lot of good work ethic my dad put in me and I really had a passion for it.

And I didn't have really any weird opposition pulling me away from it, it pulled me toward it. But growing up so rural and blue collar, I had to prove to my family that there was a livelihood here because they literally looked at it like, we need to get that boy drug tested. I don't know. Listen to this. He thinks he's going to video deer hunts. That's what he thinks.

And he's going to skin a few, he's going to take a few celebrities hunting, and he's going to get free camo, but you can't eat that camo. You know, you ain't gonna buy the Salisbury steak. How you gonna go to Bonanza? Well, it's interesting because fun and personality and camaraderie are infectious. Like people, they're drawn to it. But it's not something you can manufacture.

You either have a great personality or you don't. But having a great personality is very marketable. So it's kind of a weird sort of catch. Like you can't pretend you're that person because people won't buy it. You have to actually... The reason why I work with you is because this is who you really are. That's you. Right.

And so you didn't even know you had this thing that was marketable. No. It was just you being a person. It's a great point because to this day, I'll go to, and it's odd because I'm now, you know, I know you love classic cars and I hear about the things you talk about and obviously I'm a big fan of the podcast. And so one thing that draws me in is the fact that culturally we're into the same things, you know, Rubik's cubes and 80s and I always, my favorite car was a 70 super sport, you

know, Chevelle. And so when I, dude, I, I, I, oh my God, the same one like on John Wick basically. Yes. That's a 70. Yeah. So anyway, I, I was just so just amazed by, don't know it's just all of it and and and and even now when I meet people That's the first thing they'll say after we hang out and I just had it up at Cactus Jack with a with Cameron I had two or three of the guys like hey, man, and these are older guys like

Appreciate you. What L man you just like I thought you'd be and it kind of takes me back. It's not a fits it But I'm like What was I supposed to be and I guess I realize and? And you're just like, I thought you'd be. And it kind of takes me back. It's not offensive, but I'm like, what was I supposed to be? And I guess I realize, and Cameron and I have talked a lot about that, about like, it's odd that there is a thing that is fake, that people can't be transparent,

that people can't just talk their feelings. And everything we say don't mean our assessment is always correct. But at least it is something to be heard and told. And then the more you talk, I think that's what reshaped the politics this year. When you look at Trump coming on, JD, Harris passed. Well it proves like, well did you really have something to say? And could it be valid?

And could you be real? And everybody I think appreciates real, even if they don't like the person that they see necessarily as real. And now everything's in question. It's like, you know, it's like these rappers, are they really as tough as they say? Was Diddy gay? I thought this dude, I thought he had done shot more stuff than I have, you know? And it's like, you know, I don't know, I don't know. It's just like it's... Yeah, well, when people ask me all the time, like,, oh you met Jelly Roll, what's he like?

He's exactly like you hope he'd be like. The same. That's right. That's why he's popular. That's a genuine real human being. Like Luke Bryan. Exactly. Just like you like.

Funny, goofy, good, cool cat. Yeah. Luke Combe, same thing. That's exactly who he is. And that's what people are worried about, that someone not being like that. Like you see someone who's real fun on TV and they're real friendly, and then you meet them in real life,

like, oh, that guy's an asshole. He's mean to waitresses, and he's shitty to the fucking, the valet driver. You want people to be what you hope them to be, but oftentimes you're prepared for them to not be that. Yeah, you represent that too, Joe. It's like, I remember going to Utah and hunting, and I was like, hey, man, you know,

this is before I ever knew I'd get a chance to meet you and talk with you. And I said, how's Joe? And he's like, and then first thing I asked Cameron, he's like, dude, he's unbelievable. So you meet, and you are that person. And a question for you, I've often wondered, do you think that's starting to affect Hollywood a little bit?

To where now, if you look at the most successful people, it is the realest people you know people might not even like say a Donald Trump but people are gravitated because they think hey man this is him this is real. I think the best thing for people in Hollywood that are entrenched in that world is to shut the fuck up because as soon as they start talking people like Robert De Niro starts talking I'm like Jesus get that fucking microphone away from him so I can enjoy Taxi Driver.

Yeah, it's heartbreaking. It's heartbreaking. Yeah, I don't want to hear, I love De Niro, I love those mob movies. I don't want to hear him that he's a moron. I don't want to hear him talking about politics and about Trump supporters and just shut the fuck up, man. Yeah. Like you didn't think this through.

Like this is, and he's getting yelled at at he's doing an outside press conference like Robert you're 80 years old don't ruin this thing you've had no life where you were fucking raging bull you know you're in the godfather like stop stop stop doing this don't do this I'm terrified I'm terrified to meet some of those people I looked up to now you should be I mean. I've met a few of them. And it's actors in particular, because their whole business is pretend. Their whole business is pretend. You know, one of the things about guys like Theo

or comedians, you run into comedians, their business is the opposite of pretend. It's real. Their business is just being a real person talking shit. Yeah. They're professional shit talkers. Yeah. You know, having fun, being silly, talking shit. Yeah, the professional shit talkers. Yeah, you know having fun being silly talking shit about things and Actors are not that they're weird people man

And the one thing that's harming them in Hollywood is that they get exposed for being who they really are and a lot of these People that pretend to be all you know clean cut and yeah find out they're in a freaky shit and you know, it's like and pretend to be all clean cut and find out they're into freaky shit. It's easier to expose stuff now because social media, I'm sure, like back in the day, I can only imagine the parties at Waylon Jennings and Merle Haggard. Some of these pictures on the wall in here, can you imagine some of the stuff? They didn't have to worry about nobody. Right. I mean, so they were really- Rock stars, Leonard Skinner.

Can you imagine? Led Zeppelin, all those people, the parties. Hendrix, Jim Marks, crazy, craziness and no accountability. Nothing. And all they got to do is like, I was not there. Prove it. And now, you can't go on an elk cut and everybody knows you're there. Well, everybody's got a fucking camera in their pocket.

Everybody. Everything is being filmed and so many people get exposed for who they really are. It's it's weird But it's also probably good for humanity It's good for that's one of the things that I think is what the rise of Podcasts as people get to see real people having real conversations and yeah some people can do it and some people can't and I think The Harris thing was they were worried that she couldn't I think they I think they made a good assessment that she couldn't I don't know man. I mean they made a good assessment that she couldn't. I don't know, man. I mean, I've seen her have fun with people.

There's this one very funny conversation where she's talking about meeting her in-laws for the first time, where her mother-in-law grabs her face, and it's really funny. It's funny listening to her saying she's laughing hard, but a real laugh this time. Maybe she could now, though. Maybe she's so, if there is a machine. Because you know what is fair to say, even on Harris I'll say this, or Kamala Kamala. And that's what's amazing to me. I didn't think she had a chance to win because I didn't even know, I still don't know what her name is. I mean, I don't know. What the hell? Is it Kamala Kamala?

I think it's Kamala. It's Kamala. Well, it's like, well, I'm probably going to screw it up. It's like, you know, and then CNN is going to be like, yeah, you heard, Rogan didn't even call her name right. But at the end of the day, maybe now that she's out of that whole situation, because you see, and I think the world's changing, like we're record producers and stuff, we're controlling music. And if you're going to get on a radio station to where everybody walks a tightrope. You have to count, you're working for this machine. Hollywood, I'm sure the same way. You got people that I can't,

I remember Ted Nugent tells a story, was it Kurt Russell? He was, one of his best friends was Kurt Russell. And Kurt likes to hunt. And this was Ted just telling me in a hunting camp. And I asked him, I said, man, how is Kurt? I love his movies too, I'm a big fan. He said, dude, Kurt is amazing. He said, but he had to, to a degree, during that timeframe, bow to that machine because he couldn't do these things. So I think now it's like, you don't know what's real because you don't know if they are trying

to do this for a career or if they can be real. And then at times, okay, I believe DeNero in his case is finally his true colors. And finally, like I'm enough to where I can be real, but the real you do see in him, I'm like, go back to being fake. I don't want to see this. Oh, you really know I don't want to hear someone lecturing me that I just oh, it's so sad. It's sad. It's crazy. But I think real conversation, like celebrities were always people that were on a pedestal and you didn't think of them as real people. You know, you never got to see John Wayne having long form conversations where he explains his position on this or that.

You just never saw any of that. And I think more of that is being exposed now and I think it's probably good for all of us to not have these ridiculous perceptions of these people and think of that is being exposed now. And I think it's probably good for all of us to not have these ridiculous perceptions of these people and think of them as being larger than life characters. They're just humans. Correct. They're just regular people. They're all just human beings.

And some of these regular human beings are really fucking good at playing bad guys. But you meet them in real life and they're real super sweet. They're really nice people. They're just good at their job. Their job is pretending to be an asshole. That's right. The more conversations we have, the more conversations that we have access to, the more we get to see the patterns of how human beings think and behave, and the more we get to see what

we like. Generally, what we like is nice people being real. I totally agree. That's what we like is nice people being real. I totally agree. That's what people like. And that perspective you shine, you know, obviously you got a lot of respect for Mike Tyson. I think he's the baddest boxer, toughest. I mean, I idolized him as a boxer.

I didn't know much about him as a man or what he was going through at the time, but like when it comes time to watch a boxing bout, Tyson's on the card. There was no one like him. But what a sweetheart of a man. I listened to it and just the things he says, he's so sweet that he says things that you don't even know if he's funny. Like he was talking about,

Joe, you ever get a wrecked when you fight? And I think you giggled and he's like, no, I'm serious. And I'm like, whoa! Whoa! Whoa! You know what I'm serious. You know, and I'm like, whoa! You know, all I'm saying is like, I feel you, Tyson. I was hunting elk in New Mexico and bull come bugling and I was kind of getting like $5 worth of jawbreakers. It was getting there because I was getting excited about this adrenaline to this elk. So, okay, you're doing it fighting. But in my mind, I thought it was kind of a joke too,

but he's such a sweet, deep thinker. kind of a joke too, but he's such a sweet Dinker sweet guy, but there's a there's a monster in there, dude, and he can hit that switch. He's scary still scary Oh, he scared the shit out of me meeting the first time like I think Kevin Hart was the first one to say it He said it was like it's like you're in the room with a lion It's like you're like, okay This is lying cool. He's not gonna kill me. Okay, you know, it's like, you're like, okay. You keep probably telling him. Is this line cool? He's not going to kill me? Okay. You know?

It's like, Jesus. But it was, there's certain people that I meet that like, you know, I meet them and like, I can't believe I'm in the room with Quentin Tarantino. Like that is bizarre. That was, there's a few of those people that you meet them. You know, Trump's one of those people. Yeah. You mean like, oh, he's right there.

Amazing. A presence that's undeniable. That guy, unlike anybody else else can be himself. Yes, that guy can be himself. No matter what he can be himself at press conferences He could be himself on a podcast That's a huge strength that he could be himself you either like who he is or you dislike who he is But you have to respect that guy can be himself He is and guess what the more you talk about somebody like Donald Trump like him or love him He has pretty much as now, you know, the second time he's gonna be president.

He is accessible to the people in a weird way, meaning I had a chance to even meet Trump. He talked about the hunting industry. He came to Las Vegas. We used to have this thing called a Gold and Moose Awards and I knew Donald Jr. He was a big hunter and anyway, the word got out that, hey, Trump, this is prior to the election, the 16 election, he came to Las Vegas to say, hey, man, there's 13 to 15 million hunters out there. I need to see what the situation is here. I think they're good people. And I hear this from my sons, Eric and Donald.

So he comes there and I had a chance to meet him. And same thing, it was like, wow, this is before he's president, but he's still Donald Trump. And I remember, I didn't know much if I could, in my mind, is this the guy I'm gonna vote for? He was still in the primaries. But I remember the first thing he said to me, he said, his Donald Jr. introduced me to him, said,

Dad, this is Michael Waddell. He works in the hunting industry, does hunting shows. He said, man, immediately, so nice. But I remember with the words he said that I knew he wasn't a politician, was real. He said, so you do a lot of hunting. And I can't do the impression, but I said, yes, sir, I love it. That's all I love to do. He said, I'm not good at it.

I don't have the patience. My son, they're very efficient. They're very efficient. They're very good. They hunt all around the world. He son, they're very efficient. They're very efficient. They're very good. They hunt all around the world." He said, but I got a question. These wolves, what's the deal with the wolves? They're killing a lot of shit.

And I said, Mr. Trump, it really is a problem. I got friends and ranchers out there. These wolves, they reintroduced them. They spent millions of taxpayers' dollars out there. And this is, in my mind, if I am playing this role of inferior or redneck or insecure, in my mind, I'm trying to talk humbly to kind of help him know what I know some friends out in Colorado have going through from cattle to domestic problems to the elk population. He said, well, it's simple.

If they're causing a problem, we need to do something about the wolves." And I remember thinking, I'm voting for this dude. I'm voting for this dude. I don't care what he's talking about grabbing because I'd been to a few little non-profit in Washington, D.C. with lobbyists and stuff where we're trying to get some money from a bill for the NWTF and Brood and Habitat or Rocky Mountain Elk Foundation. And I found most of the politicians were decently fake, almost similar to a California, LA actor type of this.

Very similar. Where it's like, okay, if I need to be nice to this guy, I will be, but I need to figure out who he is and if he's got credentials and what power he has. And so for me, here I am feeling like I'm the lowest person in this room. All these other guys are heads of major corporations within the hunting industry. And I'm just this guy who likes to turkey hunt, has got this show on the outdoor channel, and I'm getting the chance to shake his hand. But he's just as real with me as he is the guy who maybe is, maybe the richest guy in the room or possibly the most famous guy in the room. And I found that fascinating that he was that way. On the other hand, I'm over there talking to a senator

at Washington DC at a party a lobbyist put together and it's like, everything like, good to meet you. I too like to hunt and so gratifying to see the sunrise and I'm like, just a fake person. Just come. Yeah, weird, right? Yeah. It's weird when you're around them. Because if you're capable of talking to people fake like this, what are the things you're capable of? What are you capable of? Yeah. You're a strange human. That's exactly right. And your whole aspiration is to like stay fake and to make as much money possible while being fake. Exactly. And the whole time again I never dug into politics like I'm talking to a guy that once I do go back and Google he come in

the office he was making you know he's making as a senator, I don't know what, 50 to 100 grand a year. And now he's worth, and it's all he's ever done, now he's worth 10 million dollars, or 10 million dollars. Right, how? Like, where'd that come from? I don't think my grand mama would understand that either. Nobody understands it. It's like so transparent and it's right in front of your face, like the Nancy Pelosi situation. She's never made more than $175,000 a year. She's worth a hundred and something million dollars. How does that happen? It's like corruption. Corruption.

It only happens through corruption and it's transparent legal corruption. It's very strange. And it's on both sides. It happens everywhere. Oh yeah. If you look at the stock trading and the red versus blue, they're both right up there. They all have inside information. They're all they have inside information They're all and they put Martha Stewart in jail fart didn't it? Yes. Well, they actually put her in jail for lying She looked lied to federal investigators. That's what they are. I gotcha. It was Comey It was the same guy who went after Trump. It's real wild It's real wild when you see what it really is all about and there's politics on both sides

And it's it's not a right or a left thing. It's a power and corruption thing. I feel like there is a little bit of momentum that feels like there's a little bit of a cleansing process. It's going to take a long time, I think, to get there, but I think everything that's happening now it feels through opportunities and outlets like this that people can talk and people can understand what's real and fiction, or at least debate. It seems like everything from, I don't know, the political world to just everything about the truth about whether it's hunting and fishing,

the truth about the cosmos, possibly, you know, some of the stuff about ancient civilization to people and people that love Jesus Christ, you can really dig deep and you can have good conversations, and it's not just dictated by a certain machine. I love that. That's pretty amazing that all of us can come together and have a conversation. It's a good time. It's a crazy time to be alive, but I think it's a beautiful time.

It's amazing, man. I really do. And only in America, baby. Only in America. I have more hope for this country right now after this election than I've had in a long, long time. In a long time. It feels like with this crew of people with JD Vance and Elon Musk and RFK Jr. and Tulsi Gabbard and Vivek Ramaswamy. I think there's a real chance that things can change. Real chance that we can expose some of the deep-seated corruption, some of the problems that we've had in this country,

and move us onto a better path. I do too. And I find I still got friends that are diehard Democrats and pretty darn liberal, believe it or not, even me, that works in the hunting industry. And even them, I feel a sense of almost like... I was having a conversation with a friend of mine from New York about this and he's liberal but he was like listen everybody pretends that they're mad that Trump won but there's a recognizable feeling of relaxation in New York. Like some sense of logic has prevailed. No one really believed

that she was going to be a great president and they certainly didn't believe that Tim Walsh was going to be a great vice president. That was crazy. That was crazy that that guy was supposed to be one heartbeat away from the fucking president. And then they also knew that there was so much corruption involved. Everybody knew what they were doing with the Twitter files and all that other shit. There's so much that like, this is probably the right way. I know. Yeah. I mean, and people were paying attention that have never been intrigued.

Yes. And I think a lot of things happen there. It's like, you know, most people, you know, somebody asked me, you know, how do you know when you're rich? And I said, well, when you don't know what a gallon of milk costs, to me. Because I remember growing up in that same rural area, and my grandmama and stuff. But when I could sit there and talk to my youngins, my son Mason, I said, Mason, when you come down, run by and get us a gallon of milk.

Get us some cereal, we'll just have cereal. And I got some sausage, but get us a gallon of milk and a loaf of bread." Well that never was the case when I was a kid. Grandma said, hey, run by, look, don't go to Big Star, it's 25 cent more over there, go over there to Giant Mark, they got a deal right now. As a matter of fact, go buy me a couple packs of that ground round, they're running a special. Gallon of milk, they knew, they'd drive over here, knew where gas was the cheapest, and when you get to a place to where you know you're doing doing pretty well, so it's like I need some gas pull over

Yeah, you ain't worried about driving across town. They save a quarter My friend Brian has this thing. I say it all the time. He said This is how rich you want to get we can go to a restaurant and order whatever you want and not worry about it Yep, everything after that is bullshit. And then look and say, hey, I want to tip 20% or 25 and you do the math, just write it on there. Yeah.

That's, you are rich and you are blessed if you can do that. Everything else on top of that, you don't really notice it. It's kind of bullshit. I 100% agree with that. And I think that backfired on a little bit of the whole Harris thing when she said, no, everything's

good. And she's telling that to people who know exactly where the cheapest milk is. And they were going to vote for her. And they're like, no, it ain't. I'm struggling out here. And then you're telling, like, we blessed to go to these hunting places, but they're not cheap places to hunt, to be able to technically trespass on these properties that are privately owned. And if you were to go on a public elk hunt, the private public, well look, go get us a yurt. If we did right now, me, you and Cam and Remy planned us a good DIY hunt.

It's like, well Joe, you're going to get the yurt. I'll go get the mountain house. Cam's like, hey man, I got plenty of mountain ops and whatever and I'll bring some coffee. Can you imagine putting a yurt out in the middle of Iowa? Can you imagine? But I promise you, if we just dutched it, dutched it, we still got three or four grand a piece. And we're going out there to go hunt just in supplies and setups.

Oh yeah, just in your bow and your arrows and your broadheads and your fucking range finder and your minos and your gear and your clothing and your boots. The tires on your truck and gas and this and that and then tags and oh it's it's not cheap. Oh it's not cheap. Like I said, you could either buy you a small farm in Kentucky or just get you a new bow. I mean, that's what it feels like these days, you know? But I tell you, it's absolutely so amazing that we get a chance to even do it and even get back to hunting. I tell people all the time, it's like,

I've always stood by the fact, I don't think you're a badass that you hunt. I think it's just badass that we can have that opportunity in America and that we can fall back on that. And if times do get hard, there's a certain peace once you understand the craft of it, a little bit of that rule of living and knowing how to skin a deer, knowing the best parts. And yes, you can't eat it all. You can eat organs, you can eat real meat, you can do all those things.

But at the end of the day, there's a certain peace as a man, especially. And I think overall, even though we're in a world where we've got these equality and women can do what men can do, or supposedly, but at the end of the day, I've always looked at it that my job is to provide safety, some type of structure, food, and care for my family. And any man that's out there that knows nothing about nature That if these cities shut down That would be a terrifying experience. The Mercedes won't start the Wi-Fi don't come on You can't run down to Starbucks and all of a sudden you can't go to the market or call uber eats to deliver you sushi

Or your favorite pizza. And you've got to walk to where the animals are. Now you've got to walk. And you have no skill set. Yes, I sometimes, but guess what? I've gotten pretty good at the cities. I know how to work these apps. I can grab me an Uber.

I can go talk to somebody or I can Google and say, man, I'm going to walk down here to this steakhouse tonight. You can certainly navigate their world a whole lot better than they can navigate yours. The world that me and you love the most is hard to navigate for some people and I think they're starting to realize it. It's a long learning curve. It takes forever and there's a piece. I told somebody a while back, I said, man I'm gonna tell you when you become a hunter and you understand it and you become simple, all the financial situations you might gain,

money's nice. I agree that it don't necessarily bring you happiness. It is great to be able to have the money to do those things we talked about, just eating. Or maybe it is that 70 Chevelle that's like I've always wanted it and you can buy it. But at the end of the day, there's a piece comes to know that I could potentially lose it all, but if I got my wife and my kids and I got this bow and arrow,

I might actually gain a little bit because now I got my wife and my kids and I got this bow and arrow, I might actually gain a little bit because now I got peace and tranquility. I got a certain stillness that is more valuable than anything I could find at the rave or in the middle of the city. And so I've often told people, even if you love the city life, which what people might not realize, I love the city life. It's so fun to visit, but that's just it. I want to visit. I love the city life. It's so fun to visit, but that's just it. I wanna visit.

I'm ready to get back out. Like the thought of things I could do in Austin, there's a million things my mind's going a wide open. Like, man, I'd love to go to the Comedy Club. Well, I love, man, I heard the steak house was great. I got, they got this, they got that. This place got the best martinis and this cigar bar. But once I do all that, I'm ready to go back

to the campfire here in Whipple Wheels and Kylo's house. I'm like, you ain't gonna believe. And I'm puffing on me a Fuente cigar like, you ain't gonna believe the steakhouse that Joe told me about. It's heaven. It's heaven. Well, I think, Michael, one of the things that people really enjoy about you, and I've enjoyed talking to you, is you have a genuine gratitude towards life. You know, it's infectious, it's real, and I think appreciation for this beautiful, chaotic world that we live in is a virtuous thing. It's a very important thing. Well, that means a lot. And to be able to see that, it means more to me than anything because I do. I mean, I don't even know how and why sometimes.

I ask myself, and I mean, like I said, I've just been so blessed and it's been amazing. The people I've met and learned so much. I mean, it's just, I don't know how it happened. Going back to that thought in my grandmama's living room, like, what are you doing, boy? It's like, you got a brand new flaring kit. That's also one of the reasons why it's so cool. Yeah. It worked out that way. It wasn't like it was all easily planned out and just a natural path for you to go down. Did you have

much of that Joe? Like obviously growing up where you did and I mean you've I mean a same amazing opportunity. You had so many cool things that happened. But did you ever have any people like what is what's Joe doing? Oh, yeah, everyone my parents for sure. You'll be a comedian. Yeah, what the fuck are you doing? They didn't want me to fight when I started fighting they're like you're gonna get hurt They didn't want me to do comedy because I was good at fighting like why don't you stick with that? It was just no matter what there's always gonna be people that doubt you especially if you want to do something that's high risk, low probability of success. It made me dig deep because I think of that and the reason I asked you that is because

that experience I had with my family, it was kind of mind boggling because I thought they would see it as I did. I think there's a difference in perception or the way we perceive things and the true reality possibly because you got to sometimes bring yourself out and look back in from their point of view. And I learned it as I become a parent, because now I got kids and they're wanting to do something. I got a boy, Mason, he moved to Charleston, South Carolina, and all of a sudden I become a grandmama. In my mind, I got, hey, when I get back, Christy, we're going to have some cornbread and collard

greens and fried chicken. I want to come back and tell you, because he listens to every episode. My son McCoy, Meyer, all of them. So in my mind, I got him pictured living in a little old house right there around the farm. Well, he bumps and moves to Charleston, South Carolina. I'm like, what are you doing? Are you on crack?

Now you tell me. What are you doing? And then it hit me. It was like, man, I'm being my grandmama. I'm being Uncle Tommy. And the reason they was that way, and say, with? And it hit me, it's like, man, I'm being my grandmama. I'm being Uncle Tommy. And the reason they was that way, and say with your parents, people love us so much

that they don't want us to fail. And I think inevitably we can fail people as the people we love the most because we wanna keep them safe. I don't want my, you know, I know it's a world where a woman can go out there and cut wood. I want my damn wife cutting wood. I'll cut the wood. Let me get the calluses.

I don't want my wife going to the door. If a villain's at night, I'm not saying she couldn't shoot more better than me. I don't know, but at the end of the day, I love her enough. I don't want her hurt. I don't want my kids to fail, but in reality, why not? Somebody's got to do these small percentiles. Somebody got to be a Michael Jordan. How did Michael Jordan,? What was his? Somebody say you can't make a living, you know. I'm sure somebody. And so I think we want to put everybody in a safe spot.

And if you think about it, if 80% or 90% of people can do these things, well guess what? Go try the 10, 20%. If you fail, jump back into the 80, 90%, and you can at least say you tried. Yeah. At least say I tried to make somebody laugh on a stage. Least say I tried to sell a Hoyt bow enough to make money and they'd give me a percentage of something or have my name on a bow. I don't know. You can at least try it.

I don't think it makes you arrogant or overzealously confident. It's just why not? Well, I think there's people that are afraid to try that will try to attack you for trying. There's that. There's crabs in a bucket. There's that. There's people that don't want someone to take a risk and succeed because they never took a risk and they don't want to confront themselves with that thought.

They don't want to be confronted with the reality of what they've done with their life. Maybe they did have a dream. Maybe they did want to be like Luke Bryan. Maybe they did want to be like Luke Bryan. Maybe they did want to be on stage singing. Maybe they did want to do something extraordinary and they never really took the chance. And so when they see you taking the chance, they want to fill you with doubt. It's an unnecessary and unfortunate aspect of human nature. I see that and I feel that from time to time. But it makes you appreciate the people that encourage people.

It really does. And I texted several people all the time, especially when I think about it, people on the way who said, hey, buddy, let me pull you back. Stay away from this stuff. But you're special in this. You go do this and keep doing this. Man, people don't realize what that means. I think about that street person. Like just, I mean, literally, me in the right mood, especially with this young lady right there, I'd have

wanted to hit him. I don't know mixed martial arts, but I know a God dang haymaker and he didn't see it coming. He was calling this girl all kinds of names. You MFers, y'all, and all it took was me to say, hey bro, I'm on your side. Immediately, he just wanted to be heard and maybe that's it. Maybe he's... I don't know. And all it took was me to say, hey bro, I'm on your side. And immediately he was just like, he just wanted to be heard and maybe that's it. Maybe he, I don't know.

And- People just get tired of being outcasts, you know? People want community. They really do. They want friends. They want, it's like you were saying before, that like the relationships you make in this life, that's the real trophy.

It is. And that's the one thing I guess, the last thing I'd want to leave about the hunting community and I think you felt it just from people you've seen or maybe researched and like Cameron said, he said, man, you don't find a better student than Joe. He said he knows more about broadheads than the companies themselves. He researches this stuff. He knows the geometry of bows and brace heights.

He's so dig deep. He said he just he loves it and it made me feel so good to know that you're that deep into it. And but when you start looking at so many of these things that's out there for us, what I find about the hunting community, it is a community of people that welcomes all. It doesn't matter. And they want you to learn and they're so appreciative that you might would just take a look into this culture that sometimes can be criticized, that sometimes be judged and think we're barbaric or we're hillbilly or uneducated or are just ruthless. And what you'll find is there is a part of that that with dipping into nature, mother nature, you have to kind of become an animal with that and be like the bear, like the predator.

You are a killer. You have to come to full an animal with that and be like the bear, like the predator. You are a killer. You have to come to full draw to feed your family. But it's so welcoming. And I've never seen anybody alienize. I've never seen anybody that I've thought that was a solid person within the industry and are just people around my house that wouldn't bring in, feed you and say, come on, let me show you what this is about, boy or young lady. And I'm proud of that.

And I'm confident. And I know that there's nobody, even the people that might talk bad about them, they're going to treat them good. And I remember one thing that was epic that happened, Joe, and it hit me pretty hard. My daughter, Addie, had asked me, she said, you know, dad, what would, what in a situation if we're at school and there's something bad happening, you know, he was talking about some of the school shootings I saw, we just had one. I'm like, what should I do? And I was like, was there any kind of mandate or what you should do?

And I said, well, they say do this, this and this, hide under your desk and sit there and wait and they locked the doors. I said, well, I'm about to go against protocol, Addie. I said, and I knew her school, they had these outside doors that went out and quickly there in Harris County, Georgia, It goes off into the wilderness. Matter of fact, my farm is right across from the high school. And I said, Addie, I'll tell you what I want you to do. If something goes awry, I said, you've hunted with me a lot and you understand how to hide and slip around and stuff like that. I said, if something happens and you can see that exit door and you can get out and you

can hit the woods, I want you to go right then. Don't wait around. I want you to go. Figure out the situation. Like if a bear is coming in the tent, you get out of the tent and get up the tree or what have you got to do? And I said, but here's what I want you to do. I said, you go and I ain't never told you to judge somebody because I don't believe in judging a book by the cover. I don't. I don't believe in that. But I said, but in this case, in this adverse moment, you go out and you find a beat up old Chevrolet truck. It's got an NRA sticker on it. Maybe a beat up minivan with a mom riding around with some, you know, maybe it is that old 70's Chevelle. Cause that guy appreciates good cars and you jump out and you stop him. It's

going to be a complete stranger. But I want you to pick out that person. I said, you know, and find out. And I said, if you find somebody with a four-wheel drive truck that you know it probably resembles your granddaddy, or me, or Nick Munt and all these guys, you jump in there, they gonna have a little snack, they definitely gonna have a gun in there,

and you tell them what happened, they will protect you until they can find me. And when I thought about that, I was dead serious, but then I thought that goes beyond my daughter, anybody. It wouldn't matter if you was Muslim, Christian, or goth or whatever, if you did that in the country, somebody's going to stop and say, hey man, what's going on? They're going to quickly evaluate it. And I'm not saying everybody won't.

I think most people have that opportunity, but if you raise around that culture to where you're ready to help and you're ready to assist, love is so deep and the nature and the human nature is to protect and to make sure this person is doing good, even if they don't align in thought process. And so I'm proud to come from that and that's probably my biggest joy, whether it's taking a Jim Brewer or a Theo is when they see it, that's always, even if they don't get something, they're like, man, this was cool. This was fun.

There's some good folks. Little scared of y'all. Little scared of y'all. And Theo and all of them said, man, something happens. I'm coming to your house, Waddell. And Kayla Pressley, who is in the slow punks, he said, Waddell, my wife, his fiance, I don't think he's married yet, he said, my wife said, hey, if something happens, we're going to Michael Waddell's house. He said, you don't even know where he lives.

She said, well, I'm still going there. And so anyway, that's just cool. I'm proud of that. And that ain't anything to do with me. That's just, it's a culture. It's just such an amazing opportunity to share that. Michael, I really enjoyed talking to you, man. Thank you very much. Thanks for having me.

It was a lot of fun. Thank you. Tell everybody what your social media is, where they can find your your hunts online. Oh, yeah. Obviously bone collector dot com. We're on Instagram at official bone collector. I think it is. And then there's a Michael Waddle page. There's there's a bone collector page and heck. I'm on tik-tok. So yeah Alright, I'm dancing around over there, too. So I'm on everything is China's spinal me, too But anyway sure. Thank you, Joe. Thanks for the fan along time. Appreciate it. It was a lot of fun. Thank you very much Bye!