The Joe Rogan Experience - #2260 - Lex Fridman

Episode Date: January 22, 2025

Lex Fridman is a computer scientist and researcher in the field of artificial intelligence and robotics, and host of the Lex Fridman Podcast.  https://youtube.com/lexfridman Don’t miss out on all the action this week at DraftKings! Download the DraftKings app today! Sign-up using dkng.co/rogan or through my promo code ROGAN. GAMBLING PROBLEM? CALL 1-800-GAMBLER, [phone] or visit gamblinghelplinema.org (MA). Call 877-8-HOPENY/text HOPENY (467369) (NY). Please Gamble Responsibly. 888-789-7777/visit ccpg.org (CT) or visit www.mdgamblinghelp.org (MD).21+ and present in most states. (18+ DC/KY/NH/WY). Void in ONT/OR/NH. Eligibility restrictions apply. On behalf of Boot Hill Casino & Resort (KS). 1 per new customer. Min. $5 deposit. Min. $5 bet. Max. $200 issued as non-withdrawable Bonus Bets that expire in 7 days (168 hours). Stake removed from payout. Terms: dkng.co/dk-offer-terms. Ends 2/9/25 at 11:59 PM ET. Sponsored by DK. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

So, Jamie, what was your question? It was too lex, but it was really like, because I wouldn't know. Hardcore science question. Yeah. Based on physics. Okay. Because he I wouldn't know hardcore science question. Yeah, based on physics Okay in theory if you were in space and you may be ejaculated Is it possible that the ejaculate would propel you backwards like send you know? Like is it propulsion is there enough for power in there to propel you?

There's only one way to find out depends on how long you hold it in for Right, right. You didn't jerk off for like four months and then you had like the motherload Don't I mean you need something to go one way so you go the other way? Yeah, and Lex had an answer But I don't know what's the answer what he had a thought I guess if you blow out at the same time Yeah, yeah, I Think in space the like the biodynamics of the liquids is different. That's oh, yeah, I think in space the like the bio dynamics of the liquids is different That's oh, yeah, I think there's it's actually difficult to have sex in space and to get people pregnant in space That's why I've ever gotten pregnant on the space station. Are they allowed to even tough? So nobody has officially had sex

In space officially officially, but unofficially, of course people if I wonder if they have I mean how monitored are they there is a Wikipedia page about sex in space and it's actually pretty detailed, but it's Wikipedia so you know it's half bullshit the citations I Encourage people to look into it read in detail I mean, it's a serious problem if you want to you know, colonize space You probably want to have a lot of sex and yeah get pregnant and have kids and well Don't you think they'll develop some sort of jet gravity generating machines? Yeah, absolutely you have to like Jeff Bezos talks about this a lot you know like how you create artificial gravity in space because for

For Jeff Bezos the likely way to colonize space is to have space stations. Elon is more focused on colonizing planets, Mars. Yeah. So both are obviously going to be necessary. And you need to have gravity in order to get laid. Bro, the first people that make that trip, ooh. Yeah, Jamie was saying he wants to go. Pfft.

I don't know about all that. I mean, I'm not that trip. But yeah a trip you go eventually no why not? Oh, dude. Why would we die out there? Okay, we're gonna die everybody dies You don't want to die that way dude if you get to decide one way to die. That's not one of the worst Oh, it's the worst way you're gonna die in space running out of air. You don't know how it's gonna happen What about reentry you could get? Yeah, you could just cook instantly could be on the way up you get hit by a Micro meteorite could be while you're asleep up there could be imagine standing on Mars looking back at Earth going What the fuck did I do?

Why did I do this? Yeah, and then having kids on Mars. Oh teaching them. We came from there. You think homeschooling is bad? How about space schooling? Just imagine the crazy shit that happens on Mars? I mean, it's it's gonna be what a hundred thousand people. Yeah And so you're gonna get one psycho who's gonna run everything and they're gonna take over Yeah, probably some cult leader Convinces everybody to do it his way. It's gonna be a sex cult 100% 100% and we're back to sex in space, right? They're gonna say like listen if Elon is their man Elon wants to procreate every chance he can how many kids do you have now?

Allegedly double digits. We don't even know how many well cuz they think he's got secret kids They think who's they they People that run the world is there a wikipedia page on this it probably is it's probably good secret kids Secret kids yeah when you have like what does he have like 300 plus billion dollars. It's calling you can You can have a few ladies here. They're all over the place. Yeah having kids There's a lot of ladies that just want to have kids they don't want a guy around yeah there's a especially when they get a little older there's a castle in the south of France with like a harem just a weight form yeah yeah just waiting for dad to allegedly to land his

rocket ship on it officially says at least 12 at least 12 kids see no one even knows imagine no one knows how many kids you have that's kind of crazy Yeah, yeah, what's the the situation? Jenkins Khan was in you know well. He was doing it a little differently he was a little bit more forceful actually I mean there's a lot of different perspectives on that like I What's the? the book? On James Kahn so the first of all there's obviously the Dan Carlin Wrath of the cons and in that series of podcasts he criticizes the book

Jack Weatherford James Kahn in the making of modern world the Mongols and making the modern. Yeah, so that's the now There it is nice. That is one of the things that Dan Carlin talks about, that when enough time has passed, that they sort of look at these marauders and murderers in a different light and saying, oh, he opened up trade to the East. Sure. Also killed 10% of the population of Earth, lit people on fire and launched them on catapults onto thatched roofs. Well I think I think actually Dan Carl makes a really good point how long do you wait until you know that you could tell these kinds of

stories about Hitler. I think that's right yes that's it uses until you know that you could tell these kinds of stories about Hitler? I think that's right. Yes That's it uses but you know you want to be historically accurate here and Genghis Khan there's a lot of different perspectives including opening up trade and Including what was the protocol based on what she was doing the murdering so it was very clear before the invasion he always said you can surrender and then we would not murder anybody you just have to

follow the law and the law was very very sort of clear and it's it is basically Enforcing a law of the land, so free trade, free practice of religion, and you have to pay taxes instead of to your king, you have to pay taxes to the Mongol Empire. But did they really say we won't kill anyone? Yes, 100%.

They followed that, and this is very well documented. Really? Yes. So everybody could have just laid down and 10% of the world's population wouldn't be dead? Yes. Really? Yes. So everybody could have just laid down and 10% of the world's population wouldn't be dead? Yes. Really? So the nuance there is that sometimes they killed the upper classes. Mm-hmm. Well you know didn't they kill the Royals by like crushing them to death? They'd have lunch over them? They were... listen this is a different time, but they were brutal if they if they because they want to

They use fear as part of the the military tactics, right? Yeah they want people to be terrified and They want people to talk about how terrifying the Mongol Empire is so that they forfeit more easily. Yeah You know that there's there's a lot of aspects of it, not to say that Genghis Khan is a feminist, but there's a lot of progressive aspects. Like, he put a lot of women in positions of power. He gave a lot of rights to women.

This is a very strange perspective. Yeah, but he did a lot of raping. Nope. There's not his kids. What? I mean, it's... do you mean? Nope? When he would conquer these places he would take women And you know new wives It wasn't their call

So that's kind of rapey. That's very rapey. Yeah, so but there's a Take him and make him have your kids there's the kind of mass rape that the Soviet soldiers did at the end of World War two when they're marching towards Berlin which is Extremely violent vicious and sort of that kind of rape which is part of the terror of war and then there's like Creating a harem of women. So it's a different... I think the main point is that, you know, this is something you talk about, that a large percent of the population, as that one study from like 20 years ago found,

are descendants of Genghis Khan. Huge, yeah. I think the way to do that is to make everybody who is your descendant popular within the culture. Like you can't have that many, have your DNA propagate throughout civilization by raping. You have to have everybody who, throughout civilization by reaping. You have to have everybody who, to have a high status for people that are associated

with Genghis Khan's. You can't have that kind of thing with fear. You can only do it with respect and high status. And he, for several generations, created an empire that was flourishing. Well, okay, you're kind of whitewashing that. No, well. I mean, they killed a million people in Jin China and turned their bones into a stack,

a pile that they recognized as snow-covered mountains from the distance. That's what they thought it was until they got up on it. When the Shah of Korizma came there to check it out he's like where is everybody they had abandoned the roads because there were so many dead bodies that the roads had deteriorated into muck yeah let me actually sort of backtrack a little bit here because I'm uncomfortable because I'm deeply involved in the military affairs of modern-day and so there's a kind of I was just kind of having fun yes there was mass murder yeah those happening it was vicious and we could

and I'm not a scholar of Genghis Khan I was simply saying that it's interesting how history looks at these different empires for example we venerate the Roman Empire not we but the ancient Greece, and they were equally, if not more brutal in their conquests and their destruction. There's never really been a time where there was a leading superpower that wasn't brutal. It's, I think, become less and less brutal over time, and people document this. The war, the number of people as percent of the population Killed is less and less. But what about laws?

Ukraine and Russia like how many people have died all told between the two it's got to be close to a million it's over a million casualties which includes death and Injuries and the estimates Vary, but I think a good estimate is over 400,000 total. On both sides? On both sides. On both sides. And the dead on the Ukraine side is probably one-third or one-fourth of the total dead. Really?

So three-quarters of them on the Russian side. On the Russian side, yeah. Really? What do you attribute that to? I think there's military scholars that understand this really well. I think in general the invading force loses more people than the defending force. That's one aspect. Of course the Ukrainian military will say it's about the effectiveness of the Ukrainian military. And also one of the other things they

say is that the medical capabilities, so the medics are really strong on the Ukrainian side, which is also tragic because you're able to save lives but you have the the injuries, the pain of war, you know, that the veterans have to go through. So they're able to save lives more effectively also. Right. But there is a big characteristic of the invading force usually loses more people. What was it like going over there

and interviewing Zelensky? So I should say I went to Ukraine twice after February 24th, 2022 invasion. And maybe it's good for me to also say where I come from, because it's surreal to be there for me. Sure. Both my parents are from Ukraine, from Kiev and Kharkiv. These are towns in Ukraine, cities in Ukraine.

I've been there many times. I myself was born in Tajikistan, speaking of Jengis Khan. And I lived there, in Tajikistan. And by the way, I'm regretting defending Jengis Khan in this conversation for fun. You didn't really defend it. Yeah. I want to be sort of say that over and over again. War is hell. And it's almost a tension between

how much Roman Empire, Caesar, and these folks are venerated and Genghis Khan is seen as this barbarian that was just destroying and raping and so on. They're all horrible, vicious warmongers. All of them. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah anyway Tajikistan and I live for a time in Kiev and another for a time in Moscow Have family in Ukraine have family in Russia. And so And I should say in World War two

A lot of my family was slaughtered in Babi Yar, which is a ravine in Kiev, where they gather people around the Nazis, and they just put them in this ravine and just shot them, and put another layer of humans, told them to get naked and face down, lay face down, and slaughter and slaughter like this. It's mass, mass graves mass slaughter and my grandfather fought the Nazis. He's a machine gunner which he's one of the few that survives which is the reason I'm here that they basically tried to hold off the Nazi

armada and that this the surreal aspect of all this is the same land you know I just still remember the song 22 June, it's 22nd of June, the bombing at 4 a.m. the bombing of Kiev began. So this is in 1941, June 22nd. Just imagine, speaking of Genghis Khan, complete surprise, just the Nazi armada, just coming, Operation Barbarossa, this massive military force invading your land. It's Kiev, and the greatest greatest the biggest battles of all time We're in this land the battle of Kiev the battle of Stalingrad the battle of Moscow it's we're talking about hundreds of thousands of people just slaughtering each other and

And the way Hitler of course approached the battle and so the Stalin is nobody surrenders. It's there's no It's all-in Slaughter it doesn't matter if it's winter. It doesn't's, there's no, it's all in slaughter. It doesn't matter if it's winter, it doesn't matter if there's no guns, it doesn't matter. It's just victory or death on both sides and so it's just brutal war. So this is the land, right? And I have, you know, for a lot of people in this land, this history is part of them. It's part of their blood. They remember these struggles. They remember this. This political, this geopolitical, this military, the social, this is real.

This is like imagine it's because recent. Imagine the United States living maybe a few decades after the Civil War. You remember you. You remember that the the you know, you have relatives that died, you have, you remember the real, the real hatred, the real tensions, the real, the real battle. So yeah, it was, it was surreal to be back there and to try to do what I was doing, which is to push for peace. Since there's probably a lot to say about this war. I should say that I interviewed Vladimir Zelensky and I will be traveling to Russia to interview

Vladimir Putin and I'm aware of the risks, I accept the risks, and the goal, the mission is to just push for peace, to do my small part in pushing for peace and that's what I was trying to do in this conversation and it required just a huge amount of preparation. For people who don't know, maybe I'll lay out where there was opportunities for peace. So since the beginning of the war, February 24th, 2022, I think there was three moments to make peace. From the perspective of Ukraine, you want to make peace from strength, So when you're in a position of strength. The first time to make peace was March and April of 2022 when the Ukrainian forces were able to successfully defend the North, defend Kiev.

There's this huge optimism, this belief that we're going to push back this gigantic Russian military. That's a place for leverage and the confidence both of the U.S. funding, the European militaries, and the Ukrainian military that we can win this. This is when you make peace, when there is a perception and a reality of strength. The second time was in the fall of 2022 when there was a successful counteroffensive by the Ukrainian forces that recaptured Kharkiv and Kherson. This is the south and the east of Ukraine.

And there was this real sense that we could, that the Ukrainian forces can defeat the Russian forces. Huge optimism. A lot of pressure from the US to make peace then. This is the strength and perhaps the weakness of Vladimir Zelensky, who I do think is a historic figure and a great leader, is he, one, deeply emotionally feels the suffering of the people and the loss that war creates, and he single-handedly has to unite the nation and carry the will of a people and the morale of a people, has to lift the morale of a people. And that kind of man struggles to make peace because he understands he wants justice, not

peace. And so from a position of strength there, he wants to go further, recapture all of the land that he sees belongs to Ukraine. But that's exactly when you make peace. And so his very strength, a man that stayed in Kiev, that said, you know, fuck you. We're not going to, we're going to win this. That kind of man that lifted a whole nation, that united a whole nation, that man also struggled to make peace. And so the third time to make peace, after all of that, the Russian military regrouped and has been capturing

land gradually. So the third time to make peace is now. The Trump administration, there's a momentum. They want to make peace. He's a great deal maker. He wants to end wars in all parts of the world. We've made the deal in Gaza now. intelligence that helps to create a bespoke digital identity to the seamless payment options that can help give your customers more ways to pay, or the fact that you can measure your end-to-end online performance with powerful website and seller analytics. The reasons to power your website with Squarespace are endless. So if you're looking to build or even upgrade your current website, check out squarespace.com for a free trial or go to

squarespace.com slash Rogan to save 10% off your first website or domain purchase. Made the deal in Gaza and that's a super complicated situation too because they made a ceasefire deal with the hostages but like. But isn't it amazing that the Biden administration had two years, couldn't get anything done, and Trump kids had done it a day. He was saying that he was going to be able to do that, and everybody dismissed it. Yeah, and I think there's a political battle now taking credit for who made the ceasefire, which I think is silly. Of course you course you can have that. Yeah, Biden is the president still the president for another few days The the the point is with Donald Trump. There's a real will and a momentum to make peace

There's a respect. There's a fear. There's you know Whatever you think about Donald Trump. He is this Person that world leaders respect in in the full meaning of the word respect not like admire but fear I Think both Zelensky and Putin fear Donald Trump and that's a great Person to then make peace because he has delivered all of them believe Putin and Zelensky that Trump can do some crazy shit and he probably would but he doesn't want to right isn't one

difference and that's a very unique position that he's in where they're afraid of him but yet he wants peace exactly you know and so this is the time and if you don't make peace now what's going to happen is the funding from US and the support from US is going to dwindle gradually and Putin is willing and able to just wait and to let the war continue for months and for years and Meanwhile People are dying every single day. Yeah thousands of people and what's's horrible about this war too is there's GoPro footage. There's a lot of cellphone footage. There's a lot of GoPro footage. I've watched too much of it unfortunately. But

it's rough, man. It's a horrible war. And it's a war that's so confusing over here, especially to the uninitiated, for the people that are just like kind of reading the newspaper and getting a sort of a cursory understanding of what happened. Russia invaded. Why? You know, what did they do? And then you got to get into the whole US-backed coup in 2014, and then you have to think about NATO and the agreement that was made the fall of you know, when the wall came down in Berlin, the agreement that NATO would not push forth and move closer to Russia, which they violated over and over and over again. The whole thing is so complicated that it takes forever just to sort of get an understanding of the pieces that are involved.

Forget about like who's responsible for what, but just like how many different things are happening, you know, simultaneously that are forcing Putin's hand, now Zelensky's hand, and just to be on this side of the world watching it take place. It's almost unbelievable. It's so hard to believe that Russia and Ukraine, which were both a part of the Soviet Union, just not that long ago. watching it take place, it's almost unbelievable. It's so hard to believe that Russia and Ukraine, which were both a part of the Soviet Union, just not that long ago, while during my lifetime, now they're at war.

I should say that I believe, so how do you handle situations like this? I believe US actually gave not enough money to Ukraine. They should have given more money, hit really hard, and then make peace. This is the point. A month or two after the start of the war, you can learn the same kind of lesson with Iraq and Afghanistan. There's no reason those invasions, those military operations... There's no other way? There's no other way than just give money? Give money and hit hard? There's no other way? What about what? What about it? Yeah, what about have NATO back out?

Well, a lot of this is about diplomatic rhetoric. And yes, NATO was consistently talking shit to Putin. And that's not like a lot of this is about diplomacy. And you can't just pressure with words. I mean, for some people it seems almost silly that you need to show respect to world leaders. But there needs to be shown real respect. Putin has laid out the interests of the Russian Federation. He said, he's been very clear about what the interests are They they want their security to be respected. They want their nation to be respected. He's very clear and

Simply at the negotiation table He just needs to be respected like his perspective needs to be understood and heard. You can't just say Putin is evil, bad guy, authoritarian, hates freedom, we need to destroy him. This kind of, this whole vibe and energy you come, this idealistic sense that you bring to the table. You have to respect leaders, you have to respect Xi Jinping, you have to respect Putin when you're

at the negotiation table. Not when you're on Twitter and X or talking shit or historians or activists, fine, you can criticize when you're at the negotiation table. Not when you're on Twitter and X or talking shit or historians or activists. Fine, you can criticize as much as you want, as vicious as you want. You can mock, artists can mock as much as they want. Comedians, doesn't matter. When you're a world leader and you come to the table, you have to show respect. You have to treat other world leaders, as funny as it's to say, the way you want to be treated, with respect. It's not funny at all. Yeah, make sense and it if you want to get things done if you want if you want to get things done and more importantly if you want

The in this war for the death to end one of the things I kept pushing in an almost childlike way was Zelensky is Getting him to open himself up for peace because he kept shutting it down. He kept mocking Putin. He kept criticizing Putin, which is okay. It's okay to sort of criticize and say that there's war crimes, that there's real vicious violence and destruction happening, but along that there has to be a door open of respect of I'm willing to come to the table to negotiate and respect the other nation's interests as opposed to saying I'm only going to talk to the United States.

You have to be open to negotiate because unfortunately this is the motherfucker of peace is you have to compromise You have to sit across the table as a world leader with a person you might fucking hate Because unlike Putin I should say Zelensky goes to the front He talks to the soldiers. He sees the dead bodies. He talks to the civilians, the mothers that lost their children, the wives that lost their husband, right? This person who was an empath, who's an emotional being, he's wearing all that in his mind. Like there's a real pain there. Like he's tortured, tormented by this. If you're a leader, you have to put all that aside and you have to sit and save your nation by compromising That's it. And that that's the hard thing of it, especially

Now there's an opportunity where the Trump figure rolls in who wants to make peace You have to use this opportunity. Yeah, and it's tough. It's very very tough Yeah, you're putting it mildly Very tough. What what do you think Trump can do now? When he gets an honor what what could possibly if Zelensky? Wants victory they want revenge. What can Trump do to sort of like bring peace to the table? I Think Some of these notions sound naive, but literally meet, which they haven't been meeting.

So meet with Putin, meet with Zelensky. They haven't been meeting at all? No. So Zelensky comes down, they've been meeting with Zelensky, but there's no meeting with Putin. I think the right thing to do is to go to, whether it's Switzerland or Turkey, Istanbul or Minsk, and like the biggest thing for me would be literally the three of them set together. I think I trust in Trump's negotiation ability and the carrot and the stick of the United States military

and the United States economy for being able to control oil prices, being able to control trade with tariffs, being able to threaten military force and funding and so on, plus sanctions, all of this. You can roll in with that carrot and stick implied or made implicit or explicit, and just sit at the table and talk like human beings and show each other respect. That is one of the things that actually COVID did. There's something that happens where remote communication just is not it. Like the silly thing about this podcast being in person, right? There's a real power there. Everything else is, you know, like fucking with a condom. You have to show up. It's part of the reason...

It's more like jerking off with a condom on. Jerking off with a condom. It's not even fucking with a condom on. For the metaphor, yeah. It's part of the reason I with a condom on. Jerking off with a condom on. It's not even fucking with a condom on. For the metaphor, yeah. As part of the reason I wanted to talk to President Zelensky in Russian, which I speak fluently, and he speaks fluently, it's his primary language. For people who seem to misunderstand this on the internet, he spoke Russian his whole life, that's his main language, he speaks it with his wife, with his whole staff, with

all of this, this is a language It's just that now the Ukrainian language has become a symbol of independence. So they're fighting for their independence for their sovereignty. I understand it, but You know So he spoke with you in Ukrainian. He kept going back and forth But yeah, most of the powerful things were said in Ukrainian. So I'm listening to an interpreter through a shitty headset the interpreter is not Forgive me to the interpreter. It's not very good. He's delayed. There's noise God, but wouldn't it make more sense if he spoke to you in a language that you understand? Yeah, this we really tried but this is a man once again. Yeah, he's uh, he's the leader of a nation in a time of war and

he's not Stylistically who he is. Like he's all in. This is like a Braveheart type character. Playoffs. We're talking about playoffs? You bet we are. Get in on the action with DraftKings Sportsbook, an official sports betting partner of the NFL.

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You never know who the who the leaders are that step up I? think a lot of people sort of say that it's trivial that he stayed in Kiev when the Russian military invaded. To me it's not trivial at all. I think that's a truly heroic act. To stay when you know, when nobody knows what's going to happen and all the experts are saying Kiev is going to be taken. To stay as a leader in that same place where you were the night before like working and Not flee when everybody the CIA everybody's telling you to flee to stay there like a bad motherfucker actually go outside and Film yourself speaking to the nation that we're going to win this we're going to hold strong

That's a that's an insane thing to do. And maybe it does require like, it's a Trump level insanity, right? It's similar to me to the Trump standing up when there's still bullets flying and saying fight, fight, fight, right? That's a, where does that come from? I don't know, but most people don't have that.

It's nice when, it was refreshing. It was refreshing when you see that the holy fuck yes We want that guy. Yeah, and he really united a nation here that the nation was fractured He was actually not popular at all up to that war Because I the policies he was trying were not working what policy specifically so his What policy specifically? So his, so the stuff that was working, I don't know the internals of the Ukrainian politics that well, but so he won in 2019 based on his desire to fight corruption and to modernize

Ukrainian digital system, which he did very successfully. It's actually super interesting. You can have an app called Dia where it's your passport, all your identifications, all appified, which I don't understand why the United States doesn't have that. You can like update your license, you can get your license like instantly. So it's like the 21st century version of what government should work like the reason they did that is it's a way to fight corruption it's a way to keep if whenever you have paperwork

there's uh... a place for corruption to seep in so he was very serious about fighting corruption that's the other thing is there is corruption in ukraine there's not as much as people perceive. But it's a serious problem. Especially with... Is it less now than before?

See, I want to be careful here because I don't... It's very difficult to know. The perception... There's a serious concern about corruption. In a time of war there's always going to be more corruption. The United States spent nine trillion dollars on the war in Afghanistan, Iraq, and the Middle East. After 9-11, on that part of the world, they spent nine trillion dollars and it's growing. Do you think all that money...

You've had a lot of guests on this program talking about how that money was used. There's a lot of shady shit that happened. Oh, yeah. War breeds corruption. One of the reasons you should be concerned about the military industrial complex is because that money is just not used well. But that's all. That's the discussion. The reality of corruption in Ukraine is it should be dealt with after you make peace. All the problems, the

elections were suspended too, the ideas of democracy. There is censorship in Ukraine now. All of those ideas cannot be, all of those things cannot be fixed until the war is ended. The reason there is censorship now in Ukraine is because it's a war. The ideas of democracy in part have to be suspended during a war to effectively fight that war. This is the whole idea of martial law. The United States has this. You don't fuck around. You have to win the war. When your land is invaded, everybody has to be focused on this. Fuck around you have to win the war when your land is invaded you have to every

Everybody has to be focused on this the problem is it's a slippery slope when all the media channels are being controlled and the the president and everybody is so invested in quote-unquote winning the war and Where the critical voices that say we need peace? Right? They're coming from the outside, but you need that. The thing is, it's a really complicated tension, right? You don't... during the war with martial law, you do want to suspend elections, potentially. It's a really

difficult trade-off. The United States has the same thing. If we were to be invaded, I don't know by who, this is not, you know, if Canada invaded, I don't want to make a joke out of this, but there's going to be a more, yeah. A quick fight. Exactly. But like there would be a martial law where elections would be delayed or suspended and so on. So all those criticisms, all those concerns can only be dealt with once you make peace. And in terms of corruption, just my, there's a lot of people that know Zelensky well and this has been my impression having met him, I don't think he, and I have not heard anybody that knows him well say that he's

personally corrupt. This is really important. Like he himself is not personally corrupt and he's he legitimately is fighting corruption. Now he's in a system that has corruption. Russia has corruption. It's really difficult to weed out corruption. But he legitimately, at least to me that's really important that he as a single human being and the people really close around him, like really close. Corruption starts to seep in, of course, when you go further out. But in that direct human being, that he is not personally corrupt. He, like financially speaking, he singularly believes in the idea of Ukraine as a sovereign nation and he's willing to die for that idea.

That is his strength and that is also his weakness when it's time to make peace. When you are preparing to do something like this and you are, you know, you're doing your research, you're getting ready to go do it, what are your concerns other than your own physical safety, of course? But like, what is your, like ultimately, what's your concerns? What are your goals when you're setting out to do this? This is very different than any other kind of podcast interview. There's no other format really where a world leader in the middle of a huge international conflict

is going to sit down for three hours and talk to an American scientist, which is weird too, right? It's like, why are you doing it? You know what I mean? This guy who works in AI just decides he's going to start a podcast. The podcast becomes very successful. And all of a sudden he's like like I'd like to talk to everybody I'd like to go over and talk to Zelensky and talk to Putin and everybody's like why you what the fuck are you doing?

So you get a lot of that. Yeah, and then unfortunately for you you read the comments so you get sucked into all that negativity Yeah, there's a lot to say there first of all on the comments side I always have a little Joe Rogan on my shoulder saying don't read the comments. Don't read the comments. And in this situation it's especially intense. Yeah. I should say like privately after I did the conversation with Zelensky, every single person that knows the situation well, knows me personally, has written to me and it's all been really positive. Like really positive.

Almost like in the desert wanting water positive. Because there's a lot of voices that are afraid to speak that want peace. Sure. But online, and this is something we talked about offline a little bit, there's just like these like swarms of people that are like not even necessarily people that's I I don't want to sort of go too

far in that territory assuming that anybody who criticized me is a bot no no but but there is a saying that but there's a there's an enormous element of that that's real whether it's bots or whether it's hired people paid propagandists the the conversation is not a pure conversation between people expressing their ideas. There's a lot of propaganda online and it's very confusing to try to discern what the percentage is. You know, we've talked about this a bunch of times on the podcast, but there was a former

FBI analyst who estimated that it's on Twitter alone. This is before the purchase. He believed it was around 80%. So 80% fake accounts, 80% not just propaganda, like government propaganda, but most certainly corporations are hiring people to do similar things. I'm sure there's companies that will do that for public figures, actors, people that are involved in conflict. This is part of the Blake Lively dispute is that she's accusing that Justin Baldoni actor of an organized attack on her, which is probably what it feels like anyway when you're involved in something on social media like oh my god This is organized or they're attacking you but

It's it's a very confusing landscape ideally what we would want with social media is different people informed and not uninformed but at least expressing their ideas on things and exchanging information back and forth and talking. It's not the whole story though. There's a lot of other players involved that are not real. There's AI for sure.

There's definitely large language models that are involved in this back and forth with, you know, automation and, you know, they look out for certain code words and these accounts attack certain ideas. So it's hard to know like what the actual will of the people is. Yeah, I mean, it's definitely true. And I've seen a lot of evidence of this that there's Ukrainian bot farms and Russian bot farms. Have you spoke to Elon about this? About bot farms? Yeah, because he knows a lot more now, of course, right?

Because there was the big concern when he was buying Twitter, they were trying to say there was 5%, there was only 5% bots. And they were doing that on an extremely low sample size, they were doing it off of 100 people. So they got 100 people, and out of those 100 people, five of them they determined were bots.

And so they went with 5%, which is just ridiculous. You're dealing with how many people are on Twitter every day. What's the total Twitter audience? It's not as big as Facebook, right? Facebook is 3.2 billion worldwide, which is unbelievable. I think X has a small number, but very influential and very active, yeah.

Very active, very influential. 245 daily active. What is the total amount of accounts on it, though? Because there's daily active, and then there's just people that just read them. There's a lot of people that just read 541 point five six million monthly active users. So again, that's active users So total users with the total users

See it's all active. I want to know it counts. That's the only, I don't, they delete counts all the time. Right. Yeah, they definitely do. So they must have some sort of a system where they weed out bots and, you know, there's a lot of concern right now on Twitter about censorship. You know, this is, I try to stay out of Twitter as much as I can, honestly,

because I think it's bad for your mental health. I really do. I think people just barking at each other all day is not good to absorb. I want to absorb real people that I interact with. I try to pay attention to the news. I try to pay attention to whatever controversial ideas are out there and try to see what I think. But I don't think it's good to dive in to social media all day. I think it's uniquely bad. And I think so many people are involved in it and they don't realize that they're poisoning their brain, just like they would poison their body if they're eating junk food all day I think it's genuinely bad for you yeah I mean and you and I and also in a particular you know doing a podcast and we're also very different human beings I would say your psychological your psychological fortitude is is pretty strong again I'm

more I wear my heart on my sleeve maybe a little bit more and when if I like shit gets to me mm-hmm and And you know when you try to put Compassion out there in the world in the way anyway I did especially with this conversation was Alinsky the attacks like You just have to recognize who the kind of people that are doing that are yeah You know those are just really weak people really weak Psychologically damaged mentally ill people that are probably medicated I Sort of to push back. I think some of them are actually

Good sophisticated people. They're just acting not their best selves like I've seen this There's people there like I know them personally and online. They're just like the worst shit comes out of them Yeah, it was because they're mentally ill and there then all of us are a bit mentally ill Yeah, well, we're all a little mentally ill like no one is enlightened that I've met. I've never met one person is perfect, right? I don't think it's possible with this journey that we're on as these meat vehicles, these soul carrying meat vehicles navigating a very confusing world. I don't think it's possible to be perfect, but you can have a desire to be a good person and some people don't have that. And the excuse that they always use is, I mean, this is the Donald Trump excuse. You do anything you can to stop Hitler, you know, right?

And this is why they want to conflate and they always want to pretend that everyone's Hitler. The problem with that is that just after a while, it's a crying wolf and people are like, oh, this is a bullshit game you're playing and you're just using it as an excuse. Elon's talked about this a lot about, and he's absolutely correct, is that people use woke ideology as an excuse to be an asshole. And it's really just people that are assholes that are attaching themselves to things that make them feel righteous. And so they wrap themselves in this idea to give them virtue and to allow them to say

the most awful things about other people that have different perspectives. And then just by nature, if you're doing that, you're doing the wrong thing. You're a bad person. You can justify it all you want. You can find people that agree with you all you want. But those people are also on the right track, or the wrong track rather, the people that are listening to you and agreeing with you, they're on the wrong track. They're the wrong track if we want to be collectively a kind, compassionate, cohesive society, a community of human beings that all live together.

That's totally possible. If you can do it in small groups of people, you can do it in enormous groups of people. It just has to be an ethic that gets promoted. It has to be something that you see people that you admire adhere to, and you do it as well. Whenever someone goes outside of that, and whenever someone starts making horrific, unfounded personal attacks because someone has a different political ideology or you know, just going after them every day all day long. Like, you're just broken. You're just you're on the wrong path, period. And intelligent, aware people that have control

of their emotions recognize that and they're not going to take your perspective seriously. So you're going to be less and less effective with what you do. And in general, the failure mode is to paint the world to draw a line between good and evil. Yeah, whether it's the line in geography, Russians, Putin is evil, or if it's Trump, Trump is evil. Right. The version of that is Hitler. Yeah big proponent of Solzhenitsyn's famous the author of Gulag Archibelgo that the line Between good and evil runs to the heart of every man that all of us have that in us and yes to be

It is good to be humbled by that reality and if you are humbled by that reality then you're not going to See any other people as purely evil or purely good all of that that kind of thing is used to just to just To hate others. Yeah. Yeah, and even when it's unfounded You know even like I'm watching the Pete Hegseth, the confirmation hearings, and these ignorant people are going after his tattoo, not even knowing what the tattoo is, and trying to pretend that it's some sort of radical hateful tattoo when it's just an ancient Christian tattoo It's so strange. I mean that tattoos in churches

That that symbols in churches that symbols that symbols been around for a long fucking time It's just a Christian tattoo and I was watching the Pierce Morgan show Piers Morgan had Michael Knowles and these two Super whack and Dave Rubin and two super wacky leftist people that didn't know what the tattoo was and they were criticizing And Piers Morgan kept on saying what is the tattoo? What is it? Tell me what it and the guy would go like go on You're not answering the question go back to it. What is it? Well, let's look it up. He's like would go, like, go on. You're not answering the question. Go back to it. What is it?

Well, let's look it up. He's like, no, no, no, no, don't look it up. I want you to tell me if you're saying it's offensive. And so then the woman chimes in and Michael Knowles just clowns her, just absolutely knows the history of the tattoo, including like, you know, she's talking about it before it existed before Islam, you know, and she's criticizing what it is. And he's like, Do you understand that Islam didn't exist when this tattoo, then this symbol existed? Like it's not an anti Muslim symbol, because there was no Muslims

when this symbol was created. Like this is bonkers. And they are all in, digging their heels in, pretending, just trying to win this conversation. Just trying to win. And Pierce Morgan's doing that. He's like the Jerry Springer of political ideology now. He just has people get on the show and yell at each other. It's very entertaining and he gets great soundbites out of it. It's kind of genius in terms of like an engagement perspective. If you looked at your show as just like, how do I get more engagement?

Well, that's how you do it. You get some wacky leftists gonna say nutty things. You get some right wing persons gonna say nutty things and you get them all together yelling at each other. I wish he did less of that. I should say that Piers Morgan, I think is a great interviewer. Like he's legit a great interviewer,

but he also has, he can put on his Jerry Springer hat on too. He's making money Listen, I mean he does I mean he does both. He does do long-form screen interviews. So he's found his lane His lane is Jerry Springer But he's doing a good job exposing these people. It's very valuable Like that conversation was very valuable for me because like this is adorable Watching this guy like flounder around trying to come up with a reason why this tattoo is so offensive. Yeah, but see what I don't like about that is that guy's floundering but there could

be actually facets to that person outside of this ridiculousness that's interesting. Right, so you got to cleanse that from your mind son. They do. If you want to be the guy who's on television talking about important issues and you've got this stupid thing in your mind so you do if you want if you want to be the guy who's on television talking about important issues And you've got this stupid thing in your head where you're arguing about a tattoo that you don't even understand Yeah, you got to cleanse that stupidity out of your fucking mind And sometimes the best way to do that is to get clowned on television true, so you got exposed she got exposed They both look like morons and then Michael Michael Nolis, who did a fantastic job

of like smiling, never raising his voice, calmly explaining it. Have you seen it? No, I haven't. See if you can find it, Janet. It's pretty wonderful. Michael Nolis is a pro. He's a pro.

The way he handled it was remarkable. And I know people criticize that guy, but fucking people criticize everybody. I'm just saying, in this moment. Don't read the comments, Joe. Yeah, don't people criticize that guy but fucking people criticize everybody. I'm just saying in this moment Don't read the comments. Yeah, don't read the comments. Yeah Yeah, even about other people, right? Well, that's the thing. I think you said that you sometimes read comments for friends of yours. Yeah, I don't even like doing that I try not to do that too. This is the thing that bothers me about comments is I don't read them

but like This is the thing that bothers me about comments is I don't read them But like I don't know my mom will read them and she'll she'll text me something like don't listen to what people say My mom will send me things is this true my mom come on This is wonderful watch this the two people in the far right the screen, the lady in the pink jacket and the dude with the beard, they're fucked. They got cooked. You could accuse Pete of being too alert and energetic. I found it overwhelming actually while I was there, tired, trying to dust the sand out of my eyes. But you suggest that the graduate of Princeton and Harvard, who for decades has been in the U.S. military, served his country honorably, that he's somehow unqualified to work at the Pentagon. The most egregious accusation you make against him, though, is that he's an extremist because he has a tattoo. Could you tell us what the tattoo is?

The tattoos, specifically, I did not make the allegation that he's an extremist. It was actually his fellow colleague who called him as an insider threat. You repeated the allegation. he's an extremist. It was actually you repeated the Insider threat Simple question, what is this tattoo that you're so upset about? I wasn't the one upset about it. I was talking about his fellow colleague. This is exactly what I said. His fellow colleague. Do you know what it was?

In the US Army, called him out as a potential insider threat. Well, what is the tattoo? Looking at the tattoos on his chest. You don't want to answer, huh? What is the tattoo? Also, I called him an extremist based upon his own book. Read the book, American Crusade, his own words. Read the book. What is the tattoo? If you don't know what the tattoo is, just admit it. Oh my lord. Listen. Let the lady talk.

When the lady talks it's even more brutal. It's genuinely painful. A woman hasn't spoken yet. A woman hasn't spoken yet. Let her speak. A woman hasn't spoken yet her speak a woman hasn't spoken yet I did hear him answer it they were all talking over each other he was yes say the words yet they weren't talking about the cross they're talking about a different tattoo yeah well she is talking about that as well she's but it'll go on to that actually know what that tattoo is or not listen what I do know is I read his book and in his book if you read it called American Crusade in his book, wait a second, in his book, be honest, I am, look, this is Jerry Springfield putting his leg in the pain and literally bending

the knee for Donald Trump, putting our national security at risk for Pete Hexen. I am telling you everything and you guys are finding ways to spend- why are you guys okay with a man who has an NDA with a woman that he allegedly sexually assaulted? Do you know what the tattoo is that you've got so I said about? No it goes further. See if you can find where the woman's speaking because it gets even more brutal because she's incorrect and Michael Knowles corrects her and when he corrects her it's fucking great. It's a good way to expose See if you can find the other one Jamie very narrow

Click on where I missed the whole show. It's an hour-long show. Well, I'll talk to me and click right there. I'll know where it is What is the Along this falls along As an insider I'm going back to Michael now You had 98 chances to answer And you failed the test I'm going to Michael Don't talk over each other Michael

The tattoo in question Is called a Jerusalem cross This is a medieval Christian symbol goes back a long time In fact at Jimmy Carter's funeral there was a Jerusalem cross. This is a medieval Christian symbol, goes back a long time. In fact, at Jimmy Carter's funeral there was a Jerusalem cross on the floor of the cathedral, and on the program for the funeral, there's one other tattoo that some have suggested could be extremist. It's the phrase Deus Volt, which is a medieval Christian slogan, a long traditional slogan, that refers to God's will, and it goes back a long way. These are very traditional, very mainstream Christian symbols

that not only are not extreme in any way, but which even the people who want to accuse him of extremism couldn't possibly name. That is pathetic. All right. My doctor has that tattoo. His insider guardsman did it, which is what I said. And also I said that he called himself too extreme

for the US military in his book. That's pathetic. Okay. So you Okay, you're gonna speed hex up lying that he's too extreme in his book Gentleman Lee, please. We have a lady who's not spoken. Julie be very very patiently your view of this Yeah, I'll tell you what, before you answer, I know you said in your sub stack about this, under normal circumstances, he, Pete Hegsteth, would be precluded from serving in any leadership role. So explain why you said that. Well let me, I will explain in one second, let me go back to something that was said in the very beginning, that he spent more than 10 years of Fox News and that's what qualifies him to be in this position that he wants to be in. he spent more than 10 years of Fox News and that's what qualifies him to be in,

in his position that he wants to be in. I spent more than 10 years of Fox News. I don't think I'm qualified to run the DOD whatsoever based on my time at Fox News. I didn't see that's what makes him. I said that was one of the things. If you, if you, well, I don't think that's even a remote qualification, that's one.

Being able to communicate ideas as the Secretary of Defense and explain policy is actually a very big part of the job. There are plenty of qualified Republicans out there who can run the DOD, who also are good on television. It does not need to be Pete Hexeth. Secondly, again, you talked about NDAs. I am bound by an NDA Fox News. If I were not bound by an NDA

and a Fox News wanted to release me from that NDA, I could tell you about my time with Pete Hexeth. Unfortunately, that's not possible. But I will say that the reason that there are so many people who anonymously came forward at Fox News is that because they're also bound by confidentiality provisions, which one-third of all American workers need to sign on their first day of work, and if they were to go public, they could get sued. The reason this accuser is not heard from is because, according to the New Yorker,

she tried desperately to meet with Joni Ernst on the committee, and Joni Ernst turned her down. So the reason that she has not been able to come out publicly is because she has an NDA, and even privately, she could not meet with a senator on this committee who's also a rape survivor to share her story, because that rape survivor did not want to hear from a woman who was going to put her potentially in a position to vote against Pete Hexeth.

Pete Hexeth has written himself while at Princeton saying that women who are passed out, if you have sex with them while they're unconscious, that's not really rape. Right? Now, the American military has a tremendous central... Is that true? Was that written somewhere mendis I? Don't know it doesn't sound true, but yeah, yeah, it's hard to say but scoot ahead to where they just start discussing the tattoo It's it's in the same flow. It's not that far away

This is definitely not a good format though. No salt well at least they're letting her talk Just go have your way with not really So I don't know which soldiers you've been talking to who think Pete Hexette is a great thing for the military There are not what there's not one woman out there Who cares about being assaulted on deployment who thinks that this is the person? That needs to be in charge of the United States military and ask for the cross that you talked about yes days bolt Which is the cross that he has, and the slogan that he has,

is an old Christian cross. The phrase, excuse me, the phrase. The phrase, however, was uttered by crusaders as they were slaughtering Jews and Muslims during the Second Crusade specifically. So it's not just a random cross. It's not just a random phrase. It is a phrase.

It's not just a random cross that that isn't just a random phrase. It is a phrase the phrase That is not true. It is phrase The phrase was uttered after the Council of Claremont when Pope Urban the second declared the Crusade It was actually probably due to the vule but it's it's been rendered in Latin as day was full There's nothing to do with slaughtering Slaughtering Muslims because the Muslims had invaded Europe not the other way around. Oh Muslims because the Muslims had invaded Europe not the other way around. Oh my god are you really cool are you really saying that the reason the Crusade which was sent to the Holy Land to liberate the Holy Land from whom from Jews and Muslims? I'll tell you why the Crusade began because the Eastern

Emperor asked for help from the Western Pope because the Seljuk Turks were slaughtering Christians in the Holy Land because those lands were Christian before the Muslims invaded in the 7th century. So that's why. No, no, no. Those lands... Good to know Michael's pro-crucifixion. I'm sorry. Those lands...

Those lands... No, no. Keep going. Those lands became Christian after the first crusade, okay? So let's be very clear. You want to talk about the Kingdom of Jerusalem? I can go. I can... The Muslims can Islam didn't exist before the seventh century what are you talking about okay I could listen

listen I can go all the crusades but the point is I can't do with Pete Hexeth is it's not that he has a random cross that talks about his faith in Jesus Christ. He used a very specific terminology. But putting all of that aside. A phrase that was first uttered to defend persecuted Christians in the Middle East, it's just like they're being persecuted today. Okay.

If you want to talk about the Crusades being... And that's who you want as the Secretary of Defense. Wonderful. Yes, someone who defends the Crusades. If you want to talk about the Crusades... Oh, Judy, finish your point. If you want to talk about the Crusades... Judy, finish your point and I'll go to Michael to to my point is that I cannot even I cannot even believe that something the Vatican apologized for is something you're defending which is the slaughter of Oh my Jesus, you know what? Why don't you why don't you give me a call after this and I will walk you through exactly

Another time let me bring Dave Rubin the worst way to have conversations is where I mean I'm getting the headache from this Fuck these people fuck all fuck that whole panel. I'm sorry. They're like You can't talk like this each of those individual people I'm not sure about the second guy from even even the woman would be a fascinating four or five hour conversation yeah you should probably have her on yeah well her and McAnulls and yeah appears Morgan yes yeah this is not the right and I'm so exhausted this fucking bullshit I know I can't I'm like angry right now yeah I know I want to play'm like angry right now. Yeah, I know Play more for you this own Publish the column saying sex with unconscious women isn't rape Jesus imagine not just thinking that but publishing it

Yeah, I mean, what did he actually say? Well rate been quotes intercourse uh, well, rape in quotes, intercourse. Bemusing yet mandatory orientation program revolved entirely around whether in an instance of sexual intercourse constituted rape, the actual instance portrayed in the skit was in fact, oh, it was a skit? In fact, not a clear case of rape, at least not in my home state. So this is Hexus saying this. In short, though intercourse was not consented to, there was no duress because the girl drank herself into unconsciousness. Both criteria must be satisfied for rape.

Unfortunately, the panelists never cited any legal definition of rape. Yet the panel, all females in the session I attended, claimed that rape it was. Huh. What year was this? So they're talking about this is what's confusing. Are they talk it says a skit and then it says they're talking about a legal definition of rape. Has the legal definition changed over the years? Like when when was this? Is he talking about a legal definition or is he talking about his own opinion?

There's a giant difference between the two of them, right? Especially if you take it something out of context, you don't know if he elaborated. Article for his college newspaper stating that having sex with unconscious women isn't rape because the criteria for rape isn't met. So this is in his college newspaper. So how old is he?

Is he like 50? How old is Pete Hegseth? Yeah, he's up there, right? Which is really weird to think that... 44. College would have been around 2000-ish. Well, yeah. I remember in 2000-ish, I remember when we were doing the podcast there was a brief moment of time where people were talking about if a man had sex with a woman and they had both been drinking that it was rape that the woman could not consent because she was drunk but the man's drunk too right so it gets weird it gets, we understand like traditionally men are pursuing women and that applying someone

with alcohol is a famous thing that people do. It's kind of a weird legal thing. Come on, one more drink, have another drink, have another drink. And we all know that when people get drunk, they do stupid shit. But we don't know what happened if you're both drunk. So this is what I'm getting at is that 2000, these conversations are already being had. The question is like, is he saying this from his personal perspective? Or is he saying it from a legal perspective?

I don't know what else was in the text. I'm trying to be as charitable as possible. Because if like more was in the,, that's a reprehensible act, did he say anything like that? Or was it just specifically talking about the legal definition? Because he said in his state, right? Also, it says to be clear, he did not write it himself.

He published it. Oh. That's what this is. In short, he said that not publish a pop up on screen He did not or did publish such a column while he held the role. He did not write it himself He did not write it was written by someone else. Okay, so he just published someone's opinions Okay, that's very different. That's very different. That's very very very different. She said he said that That's not what he said at all that would see that right there

I'm just so exhausted that's exhausting both like other things that's wrong with both sides that right there is crazy because I My opinion of him shifted briefly when I was like, you know, I was watching Daniel Negrano You know the great poker player was on Tim Poole's show Yeah, and they were talking about his shift in political ideologies And then a lot of it came from when they were accusing Trump of saying that thing that Obama repeated falsely during the campaign was that he was talking about white nationalists and neo-nazis and saying there's very fine people on both sides.

And Negrano had heard that. He had heard the clip where Trump said it, where it was edited. He had never seen the full thing. And then once he saw the full thing, he was like, what the fuck? And it immediately made him realize, like, oh my God, they're lying. They're lying. And then he talked about how Obama repeated. This is years after Daniel had known it was false

Obama repeating it at the campaign speeches and then Obama sitting right next to Trump and they're joking around with each other Hey pal, I know you're neo-nazi lover. You fucking rascal. I had you win like it's But just what that lady did on that show and then when we find out that Hex it didn't actually write that he just published it You know and he published it in college as a 20 year old or whatever He was I think there should be also room for that lady to then change her mind and apologize Yeah, a lot of us parrot a lot of us parrot including probably you and I never yeah, how dare you parrot bullshit? We see online yeah, of course and then we should give each other room to like yes safe I fucked up that people don't want to say that this is what they have to understand even people. I don't like listen to me

It's their strength in that it's better than digging your heels in. There's strength in saying I was uninformed or I was misinformed. I fucked up. I've said it before. It's important to do. You got to do it because you can't have you can't have an erroneous idea in your head and repeat it over and over again. You can't have an incorrect false opinion that you have defended and now you can't ever accept even with new information that shows that it's not true I should also say because it's fucking sitting in my head on this topic I'm probably gonna do like a five plus hour interview with Jack Weatherford on Genghis Khan and I read his book all right and I don't I'm

not proud of the way I formulated my, for the fuck of it. In the beginning of it. In the beginning, I'm still bothered by the looseness with which I talked about rape. There is, and I don't think I have in me the eloquence or the skill to improve on that. I think in general, it's trying to find the right words to describe the historically accurate thing, the data that we have, and then the narratives. I think the point Jack Weatherford makes is that we keep oscillating back and forth on

Genghis Khan. He's one, like this epic, great conquer conqueror like currently Alexander the Great has that good vibes all around him. Nobody talks about him as a horrible human. Horrible human. Yeah. But currently Genghis Khan has this kind of barbarian evil, just rapist. Well, they're so good at it. They were so good at murder. They were so good at war. I mean, just so uniquely good at military strategy. So it's about, it always kept the army to about a hundred thousand, it's small. So it's a hundred thousand horse,

each soldier had five horses, so four spare horses with them. So imagine it's five hundred thousand horses. Which they used their blood to fuel them yeah they would use that for food so it's very portable they're not bringing right logistically the whole I mean this isn't it's just imagine this Armada moving like you can they can move like 50 miles a day this entire army and they and they don't have to follow the roads which all the military would follow the road so you can go around you can surround you can and they and they don't have to follow the roads which all the military would follow the road so you can go around you can Surround you can and they did the as you know they can retreat Fain retreat and then attack from the side. Yep. It's the blitzkrieg

That's the genius stuff and a lot of people including Dan Collins say that's the the greatest military in history It would defeat every single military including Napoleon with the muskets and everything yeah they would destroy Napoleon and then of course in the 20th century you know they didn't defeat Samurai's right but they never really fought they did they twice they fought but it's not a real battle these guys are fucking crazy they thought they were crazy these guys were like practicing their whole lives for one-on-one combat with swords As far as I know they never really had a full-on battle. I wish they did there were some battles There was battles on an island one of the islands outside of Japan, but the Japanese successfully held off the Mongols

So they were like one of the only civilizations to ever pull that off I think one of the issues with Mongols, except Kublai Khan, is they were not good with water. They didn't know how to, the ship thing was not. Oh, what a big mistake. Well, they imagine they got as good with water as they were with horses. That would have been a real problem. Well, a lot of things they had advantage on, like for example, they can ride on ice. And so how'd they do that? They it's they in Mongolia, they these people like different horseshoes. They even's they in Mongolia. They these people like that. I have different horseshoes They even shoe their horses back then. No, I don't think so really no

No, it's all that like they don't have like when do they start shoeing horses? That's a good question That but this doesn't feel like a Mongol thing. I mean it doesn't can ride The archery Know about this the mountain archery is so insane They would they had the ability to hang off the side of the horse so they would shoot from under the horse's neck So they were completely defended by the horse and they were shooting arrows and their bows were a hundred and sixty pounds So you had to be in say they said that a lot of the skeletons they find from that era their bones are deformed because your whole body has just been

pulling a hundred and sixty pounds with your right arm or your left arm like your whole life so your right side is like insanely muscled and your bones are all twisted and thicker and denser Tendons and everything because they've been doing that since they were children. They were they start out like two years old Yeah, insanely formidable army insanely formidable But here's something to take into consideration when we're saying about like how Genghis Khan's gene were genes were spread Just run off the bat it's all awful, all horrible. I wish no one ever got killed by anybody ever. It's all awful.

All war is hell. All of it. All is hell. There was so much of it going on throughout human history that women would, there was a survival mechanism in accepting this conqueror as your new husband when he slaughtered your husband. This is the only way your genes passed on. So these women were able, I mean even if they said they fell in love with him, you know, even if they did marry him, even if they were happy to marry him, there was like all

almost an evolutionary requirement because we slaughtered each other so much that if you wanted your genes to pass on You had to accept the slaughter of your former mate and then in modern-day society We will call that rape right, but it's it's a it's a We have to use different words for that time because there is rape where it's like violent rape as part of war as part of a Mechanism of terror I think even as just part of society up until like a few thousand years ago or even a few hundred years ago, I think human beings you know like I've had a bunch of friends who've served overseas and the stories they tell from Afghanistan

especially with the child raping, is fucking bone-curdling. Like, blood-curdling, just, like, you just wanna leave the room when they're talking. You don't even wanna hear this. You don't wanna think that this is happening, and it's happening right now, because it's an old culture.

It's an old culture, and it's separate from the rest of the world It's very remote very difficult to access You have warlords and herders who are living in these nomadic tribes to this day Not much different than when Alexander the Great conquered it So I should I should say that Jake this con from everything I understand was was not progressive But he was very pragmatic This is why he allowed all religions all religions. Yes, which is Thomas Jefferson. I should say

Deeply admired Genghis Khan for this the freedom of religion and he didn't just say freedom of religion it's freedom of an individual to practice any religion they want which is a It's like individualism. It's a really Revolutionary badass idea for that time for that place Well, he was what he recognized strength and the value of accepting strength and taking and their strength in unity The strength and community if people can worship whatever they want But I'll be united under one banner because it's better than dividing everybody look in the Feminist thing that I mentioned he would put women in power. Why is he a feminist? No, he understood that women are able to

men Conquer better in his perspective and women rule better because they keep a stable society so he would do he would better because they keep a stable society so he would do he would marry a woman to the king of the place and then send the king off to fight the ruler to fight knowing for sure he's going to die but the woman is now ruling and then there's a lot of like progressive things about like there were a lot to show their face especially in the in the Persian lands where they conquered like they're allowed to wear these fancy

Head dresses and which is you know, they could floss a little yes excited about that exactly new rules and the other thing, you know on the this is the the tricky thing is the the Mongolian tribes or Genghis Khan Came up by the way came up from nothing Father slaughtered. I mean this is a yeah from nothing Though they all that was a common practice to steal wives to steal women Yeah, and well he had one of his wives stolen and she came back pregnant. That was like the origin story The origin story Genghis Khan right is like his

the love of his life who was married to him for his whole life that he proposed or he said you're gonna we're gonna marry at nine years old at she was kidnapped and he had to raise an army in order to rescue her back. That was the sort of the split in the road. He would have been a normal Mongol, but here he has to raise an army to rescue her back. And then he realized he's really fucking good at this whole rescue thing. But it started with, you know, it's a real love story. You know, what? What I could find is that the horses were unshoe'd unshoe

But they did do something that this says here. They use some sort of skin to cover it Interesting allowed a dry place order to acquire the shape of a hoof Perfect the technique to cover the hoof which offered greater abilities their armies to move faster more efficiently than their opponents Interesting horseshoes were around for at least two or three hundred years Interesting, so they probably knew about them skins. That's interesting what you're saying about him developing the ability and like really I'm really good at this. You know, that's exactly what happened with the Somali pirates Do you know the Somali pirates origin story? No, the Somali pirates called themselves the people's Coast Guard of Somalia They were they were defending their waters against Europeans dumping toxic waste in the ocean.

They were fishermen. So they had found that these ships were dumping water and killing all their fish and said these motherfuckers, we're going to hold them responsible. So they boarded these ships, kidnapped them and said, hey, you have to pay us. We've lost all this money from all our fish we don't have any fish give us money or we'll kill these motherfuckers and they gave the money and they said hey let's start kidnapping people this is way better and then you know there's obviously there's a

narcotic aspect to it because of cat because the widespread use of this narcotic cat which is like an amphetamine that they is it a leaf KHA t That's like, you know the guy on the boat look good. Give me I'm the captain now that guy's cracked out. I Mean, they're all real skinny and what's really important in that dynamic is who is the leader that emerges? That's the interesting thing about Genghis Khan. He became super powerful that person could have been Incompetent Genghis Khan could have been a bunch of different people right he instilled one of the really revolutionary things is meritocracy

Right by the way he appointed his kids Several people including Marcus Aurelius wrote fancy, you know meditations he he failed as a emperor by appointing his kids. Before him, the five emperors, all appointed generals based on merit. So Genghis Khan always appointed based on merit. Who's the best person here to lead the groups? Which is a revolutionary idea for the time,

because it was usually based on kin, like your relationship, your brothers, your sisters, your father, and so on. That was really important. And the other thing I mentioned about the tribes, the origin story, is everybody would kidnap and actual rape the women, they would steal women in the Mongol Empire. As soon as he The woman that was steel women in the Mongol Empire as soon as he won over the entire original Mongolia He banned that was a strict rule. There's no kidnapping of wives. That was a rule for Mongolia and that rule Propagated everywhere. That's wild. He's like this is what got us into this shit. Yeah, so Which is one of the pieces of evidence where they're like, it's like, there was a lot of

cracking down on the whole rape thing. But there's a caveat of like, well, why is there so many dead bodies where like the atmosphere changed? Yeah. Why is the carbon footprint different of the human race during the time that he was alive? But it's interesting because we also have to look at things in a perspective Of living in the year 1200 or what does it 1200 40s like quote? When was he around? 12 should know this 12 or 13

So yeah, well will Jamie'll find out it's so you have to it's very hard to do and it's not apologized for these people I'm not like saying that we should apply the way they looked at the world today. I think the way we look at the world is infinitely better and we're moving in an infinitely better direction. And I think we have like large extremes that go in one direction and things push back in the other direction too far. There's an overcorrection and then they balance out. I think we're generally moving in a direction of a more kind more peaceful

society. I think we're better. That said, 1200 years ago, the world was hell. There was no newspapers, no one could read. Okay, where did you get your information from? You got your information from priests and from generals and you shared information with your farmers. The world was horrific. People fought with bows and arrows and cannons and catapults. And murder was commonplace. If you were 12 years old, you'd probably seen a few people killed already. It was a different time to be alive. Diseases would kill everybody.

There was no medicine. You broke your leg, you're dead. You get infected, you're dead. It was just, the world was a very, you're dead. You know, you get infected, you're dead. It was just, the world was a very, very different place. It was so, so dangerous and so fucking terrifying and people relied on their base instincts and the worst aspects of humanity, they relied on that to survive because that was all around you. You had to become a monster if you wanted to live in monstrous times. And that's why the rule of law had to be enforced in a brutal way.

One of the really powerful things he did is protect merchants, people that traded. If you fuck with people that trade, that on the Silk Road, you're going to get slaughtered. It's not like there's going to be a process, you get slaughtered. In fact, one of the reasons, I hesitate to say this because people are projecting to the future, but he slaughtered, he took Kiev and slaughtered people because they broke the rule of, I forget the term for for this but the people that are sent out to communicate before the battle starts Ambassadors and the ambassadors the rule is you don't fuck with them. Yeah, and

Kievan residents killed them and that's where the you break the rule Yeah, it's like that's it then it's total war and you had to do that I mean, you don't have to do that, but that is one of. Then it's total war. And you had to do that. I mean, you don't have to do that. But that is one of the well, if you're living back then you have to do that. And then you look at like, but the result is complete slaughter. And by the way, thank you for rescuing me for I said a bunch of stupid shit and you're adding more complexity and depth and nuance and well We just got started. You know You know how you when you begin a podcast You know, I don't know if you're like this, but for me, I gotta get cooking, you know

Sometimes that's one of the reasons why I like to talk to people I like to talk sometimes like 15 minutes even before we go on air the danger is they're gonna say something and I'm gonna ask Them to repeat it. I don't want that so sometimes I'll come in hot and I'm like, let's just go right now But your brain you're you don't know we're gonna talk about the Mongols and rape Right and so then all of a sudden you we're in this very intense conversation About the responsibility you have as a podcaster, which is a crazy thing to say But you do you have probably more responsibility than anybody and then this

subject comes up in the middle of that and then you like And before that we were joking about Ejaculating in space. Yeah, that's how we started it. Yeah, bro I mean we used to have open up some of the most serious conversations this podcast ever had with a fleshlight ad Their early days the podcast that was the only sponsor we had so it's like You know This is again you you know, this is again you reacting to criticism, right? It's like the fear of the criticism of you yourself knowing you could have done a better job

of explaining that had you prepared something. Which is really the difference between off the cuff conversations and like your actual well considered thoughts on things expressed in the best way possible, which is what you would do if you were gonna write it out out, if you're going to write a substack piece about it. Well, one of the things I'm trying to do for myself personally, I think a lot of people have to do this when young kids have to do this, is figure out how to

create like a psychological framework where I'm not affected by the internet. It sounds like ridiculous to say, but you say don't read the comments But they get they come at you like they they'll find their way and I need to you and me It doesn't work nobody do nobody's good at it even Elon's not good just post and ghost Post and ghost but most things you think are interesting and just get out of there. Don't read stuff about yourself Someone said this I think was Anthony Hopkins. He was talking about someone's opinion of him. He said, that doesn't concern me. No, was it Anthony Hopkins? I think it was.

But he was like, their opinions of me are not my business. But let's add to this little puzzle. What if a bunch of your friends say you're getting cancel online. By the way, Tucker Carlson is good at this. He doesn't read anything. Yeah, he doesn't even have social media. Yeah.

I know. I always want to send him things. What's this motherfucker's doing? Look at this. What if, like, all your friends have read the thing, right? Like, that your or your parents or so on, your loved ones. Like, and the thing could be just a bunch of lies about you. Sure.

Like what, for me that's a little bit of a tricky thing. Well that's not something you should ignore, right? If you wanna make a statement, there's nothing wrong with that. What I'm saying is don't regularly engage in people's opinions of the product that you put out. I don't think it's healthy for you. Because I think, first of all,

I've said this before, I'm only kind of joking, but I'm kind of serious. Most people commenting are losers. Sorry. If you're doing it all the time, and you're doing it in a negative way all the time, this is not everybody. There's a lot of really well thought out commentary

on YouTube videos that I see, on if occasionally I'll read someone's Instagram page and I'll read my friend's comments. Some people are brilliant, don't get me wrong, but it is a haven for fuckheads. It's a place where people can go and just try to insult people and say the most negative thing possible. And they generally, I think there's generally a lot of like

dull-minded people that gravitate towards the negativity. You know where that differs is Christians, which is interesting. Like a lot of like low wattage Christians are still super nice, you know, and they'll just praise Jesus and look for forgiveness. The real ones, right, which is a great thing that we should all aspire to yeah Like the default state is super nice Yes the fault state what you're supposed to do if you really follow Jesus's teaching is like be completely nonviolent and be a beautiful person and

Love everybody like it's your brother. That's that's what he wants. That's like, you know, and if you follow that but There's just too many assholes and too many disgruntled people out there that have terrible lives. The most men lead lives of quiet desperation, the Thoreau line that I fucking love so dearly, it's such a great line. That's so true and maybe even more true today because of the unnatural world in which we're thrust in. So not only are people doing things

that they hate most of the time, but they're also engaging with their phone more than they are with people. So they're engaging in this very bizarre non-physical way that is detached from any human interaction, detached from emotions, eye contact, the feel of being with someone, the back and forth of a conversation

between two people. Like if you and I were gonna disagree about something, if there was like some political thing or some social thing that you and I disagreed about, we could sit and just, I wanna know why you think the way you think. Like I wanna know. Like if you think of a thing and I disagree with it,

the first thing I want to know is – and this is not something I always had. I got way better at this in my life as I've gotten older and had more conversations with people. You got to like absolutely know what this person thinks. Don't like attack it. Don't twist it around. Don't distort it.

You have to kind of steelman it. You have to be as charitable to that position as possible. And then occasionally when you find things that you disagree with, you have to stop and you have to say, okay, here's my problem with this and it has to be done in good faith. You have to be doing it not to win, you have to be doing it to figure out what's right. And everybody's so fucking attached to their opinions and their ideology that most of the time, most conversations are had where one person,

at least on social media, one person's trying to win. You're trying to win all the time. You're playing this stupid game. It's a dumbass game where everybody's a loser. But we just watched the Piers Morgan thing. That's the same thing. It clearly pulled in your attention. I love it. You're aware of it. See, you love it. You're you're the you're part of the problem Joe 100%

Yeah, I'm a huge part of the problem. You're don't get me wrong. I mean you're a human being Well, yeah, well also like how much do I contribute to people wasting their time? TikTok reels like Instagram reels Twitter things how many fucking Twitter articles get written about every stupid thing I said? I mean, for three days, Dragon Believer was trending. Just because some wacky old lady thinks I believe in dragons. But this is just the nature of the world. I love that aspect of the internet. I love the wacky shit.

Even the Ukraine war footage, which is is horrible what it's doing is giving you a more nuanced version of the world and some of it's not good like I watched a video today of a guy who got killed by a tiger well he didn't get killed by a tiger got torn apart by a tiger the wounds man the wounds that this guy like I didn't think like what would a tiger do to you a tiger bit your feet? You wanna say yeah I'm switching over to Android buddy Welcome yeah, I just have a few more steps that I have to do before I switch over and I'm gonna try to communicate only with encrypted apps from now on no more what's's app signal? It's just sort of like limiting

Twitter replies to registered accounts You know people like to do that. I'm gonna try to do that. I'm gonna try to use whatsapp for everything I was gonna use signal but Yeah, I don't know the people you signal. I don't know it seems to secret squirrel Don't know the people who use signal. I don't know it seems to secret squirrel Know that means but yeah, you know like you're a spy of using signal. I use it though. I use it all the time I don't I mean I'm totally being hypocritical here. What was I looking at? Oh the tiger thing bro. This one's rough This one's rough This is

Tom cigar I sent it to him today. Tom Segura and I send each other every day the worst shit that we can find on the internet. And it has been like legitimately, it's been one of the worst aspects of modern life for me. It's like every fucking day me and Tom are sending each other guys getting killed by assassins. Nice. It's every day. There's so many footage, so many videos of cartel members whacking people. After a while you're like, holy shit, I don't know if I could do this anymore.

Every day someone's getting run over by a truck. Every day. So here it is. So this guy, they're shooting at the they give me some volume so you can hear this So they shot at the Tigers just before this because this guy had been bitten up And so see they're shooting at him right now and the Tiger's like nah, bitch And the Tigers just bite down on this guy. So this is what the guy looked like.

This is his wounds. Wow. He's not dead. Bro. Look at his head. I mean his bone is exposed. No, he's moving. Yeah, no he's alive dude. What the fuck. Look at his head. I mean his bone is exposed. He's moving. Yeah. No, he's alive, dude

Look at his face watch this show his face So this guy climbed into a wildlife enclosure those were not wild tigers It was there. You know I don't'll say tamed they're not tamed but there's some in some way at least minimized in their effectiveness though you know our buddy Paul sent me that Paul Rosalie sent me that. Yeah, yeah so this does remind me of the jungle. Yeah. Our buddy Paul is fearless.

He's a bad motherfucker. Yeah. Paul. He's a bad motherfucker Yeah, Paul Rosalie's a bad motherfucker that guy is literally putting his money where his mouth is where his life is Trying to save the Amazon like living in it helping people You know hiring people to guard it taking people that were chopping the the wood chopping the trees down And then giving them a new job to protect the trees It's fucking amazing and feel and he feels the pain like he literally like physically feels the pain of lost trees He sent me something. I don't even know if I'm allowed to talk about it, but if If we're not I'll edit it out afterwards, but he sent me a video

I can't show the video, but he sent me a video of an uncontacted tribe that he discovered. Yeah, did he send you that? Yeah fucking insane Yeah, it's just complete uncontacted tribe naked in the forest hundreds of them and They're like pushing these boats filled with bananas out to them to give them food And they're like pushing these boats filled with bananas out to them to give them food The the reason we could probably talk about the they they try not to show it So yeah, people don't show up and try to find them exactly you want to kind of protect them exactly

That's why I don't know if we could even talk about it But he has brought up the uncontacted tribes before on the show and one of his friends was murdered by one One of the tribes he was these guys drop off food to these people one day They're like you know what enough whap I'm just gonna kill you fuck you. I don't trust you Yeah, we we hung out we talked to it to a guy that works with Paul's that has like a scar from from a spear Jeez yeah, jeez bro At least a hundred uncontacted groups in the rainforest

Unbelievable man they're living like they they were living 20,000 years ago. Maybe even more, you know? Completely uncontacted. That is, to me, one of the most fascinating aspects of human life today. It's not just that we're on the verge of quantum computing and AI becoming sentient. It's that we're coexisting at the same time with people that have a completely subsistence based lifestyle with the stuff that's around them, you know, stone tools, literally pointed sticks for spears, that they've been doing this for thousands and

thousands of years and they're living at the same time as smartphone addiction not only that those people probably their roots go they could be the original civilization I mean I believe that there is look at that isn't that crazy look at those people that is so wild taken in June Man, that would be so if you could just be a fucking fly on the wall and observe that life like without interfering somehow So just remotely That would be so incredible would be doing what the aliens are doing. I think that is what they're doing I think it's real similar. I really do

Yeah I think if you just looked at the natural progression of human beings and what we're talking about with quantum computing and AI and the technological innovations that are without doubt going to hit us like a tsunami over the next 20 years, 30 years, whatever it is, what are we going to become? We're going to become what they are, the same kind of thing. And if there was a planet that had something like us that's emerging and just figuring out how to split the atom and still involved in tribal warfare, a primate that's still involved with tribal warfare but now has nuclear bombs, that's us. Also dick pics. Also OnlyFans. Also just You know also only fans also, you know Just massive social media addicts all over the entire planet while we're engaging in tribal warfare with hypersonic weapons

So they would be studying us the same way we're studying these folks same thing, you know When we find out a guy got hit with a spear like oh fuck what happened? these people are crazy like you got to be care Like when Paul was saying that they were there and they realized that the tribe was close, like they were starting to hear things and they realized they were probably being hunted and they just got the fuck out of there as quick as they could. That's terrifying. I do not want to wake up to news on my feed that Paul Rosalie got killed by an uncontacted. Well, he's a I mean mean that guy leaps into adventure. I've gotten the chance to hang out with him and it's great.

There's certain people, I haven't met many people like him in the way that you've described, but also in the way where he sees, Elon is a little bit like this actually, like he sees the opportunity for adventure and he just leaps into it. There's not like a Deep deliberate process of strategy and planning and so on it's just something pulls at him And that's a really fun person to be with but couple that with just extreme competence like he's good at surviving

yeah, he's just he's uh he's good at taking risks and good at surviving and that's a He's good at taking risks and good at surviving. And that's, so like the uncontacted tribes or the crazy shit we did in the jungle, just like getting lost and half almost dying, all that kind of stuff. And he's a really nice guy. Super nice.

A really nice guy. And it's just like, there's something to that. He's an actual good person. He's really doing this for a good cause. Yeah, yeah. And it's not just the Amazon rainforest. He's also going to Africa and India and sort of trying to save nature. I mean, you go out hunting, the forest is a bit

different than like the Amazon rainforest. Their life is a lot different. It's like real intense. Like there's a a lot you're in the middle of a soup of life When he has that much life, just think about the amount of insects the button you around it the buzzing at night Explain that what that sounds like. Yes, and it's an orchestra. I'm these millions of little organisms and If you just screaming just no silence at night. Oh, yeah, they're all fucking They're all screaming and fucking and killing each other. Yeah and it's all life eats life all around you it's life eating life and With one of the ways to experience that is the sound the other way is just standing there

Stuff starts crawling on you pretty quickly you know and you get you get bit by a bullet ant no but you know step very close to it there's a lot I mean I want to get bit by one in the context here I would love to get bit by one would you do it on the podcast we brought in bullet ants? Let's go Yeah, so you have to take a day off of everything else I think What are you pussy? I think you do. I Think you don't want to be interviewing some person about AI just sweating just sweating and agony I think everybody likes to think they have like super high pain tolerance, you know that about men. It's fun Fun men always like to think oh man. I got fucking crazy pain tolerance

Yeah, meanwhile don't women have a much higher much higher. You know is the highest redheaded women. Oh that explains a lot This is up for debate, but I sent Jamie something recently Do you remember that thing I sent you so we were talking about on the podcast multiple times because I had read that that they Had a higher pain threshold. I'm like, that's weird. I wonder why well well because everybody's been fucking with gingers forever They've been beating their ass. They're like an MMA guy who's got two older brothers, you know They're fucking they can take it the scariest MMA fighters have older brothers used to beat them up Because they're ready to fucking throw down all the time like the scariest guys or or abusive stepdad those two Yeah, that makes a scary guy or abusive father the guys that I know that are the fucking scariest

They had abusive dads they had people that beat them up when they were young They just get fucking used to go and just ready to go they don't have a fear of going they want to go They want to go all the time. Let's fucking go like they've just been the similar way to survive If you're a kid and you have a brother who's four years old and your dad is a raging alcoholic And he beats your mom in front of you and your brother beats your ass to like fuck man You better be hard, but you're not gonna make it. There's no pillow to cry into but you got to fight your brother He's four years older than you. He might knock you out today. He knocked you out last week.

He laughed at you when you were on your back. Yeah. I mean, not to return to the topic, but Genghis Khan murdered his older brother because he was picking on him. Because he stole his fish. He stole his fish. Yeah, he said, fuck you.

Shot him with a bow and arrow. The mom freaked out. Yeah. Called him a monster. Yeah. She was right. Well, call him a monster. Yeah, she was right Well, also you learned how to kill your brother when you're you know, was he six? Wasn't he? Yeah, something like something like that. Yeah, like this gets married in nine. You're getting off on the wrong foot And conquers an empire at 16, but they didn't expect you to live past 30, you know, if you got to 30 you were an old fuck back then

Meanwhile, he lived like into his 60s Yeah He lived really long and he was consulting with monks because he was trying to figure out how to live longer how to live forever He was like, you know felt the iron Ebbing from his blood He felt the body weaken and he wanted to visit today on TRT be fucking great. Meanwhile his kids are kind of disappointing. I mean this like well of course yeah isn't that always the case that's the thing like show me a man who is a great man who is

the son of a great man. It's tough. It's tough. It's a hard road I mean you have to have a very exceptional father who recognizes the requirements that this kid is going to go through if you're fucking Genghis Khan's son. And meanwhile you're also running an empire. Like raising kids is, it is a very involving thing. And it's a nuanced thing. And you have to know which ones to push and which ones to just let them be themselves, which ones to support, which ones to encourage, and be themselves, which ones to support, which ones to encourage, and how to encourage and how to instill discipline, how to show them how

important it is to feel the pain of loss and to feel like failure and to understand that this doesn't make you a bad person. These are just the lessons of life and the energy that comes with doing something well and throwing yourself into something and finding success versus half-assing your existence and feeling filled with misery and regret and That's a difficult thing when you're sleeping on silk sheets you know that was like what Marvin Hagley used to talk about like You know, it's hard to get up in the morning and run when you're sleeping in silk sheets

He was talking about the pull of as you become successful boxers get softer and it's because they start getting rich you know and then you know just chill a little bit. Well if you have a son then and the son's growing up rich and you're chill like fuck man like you want to make a conqueror you want to make a you want to make a champion fighter Give them a rough childhood. I don't think you should do it It's definitely shouldn't be mean your kid just so they could be a badass fighter Well, I think it's also there's probably a balance you can hit but a lot of these folks because they had nothing

They want to spoil their kids. They go too far in the other other direction yeah it's not it's harder to be a strict parent I think Mitzi Shore used to ignore Pauly just to make him funnier she talked about it she talked about ignoring him when he was crying yeah it'll make him funny she was right yeah she knew what she was doing. But it's like to do that, if you're a conqueror and you came up from shooting your brother with a bow and arrow and then raising an army to take back your wife and then you have children and your children are born when you're 40, you know, and you've got this insane empire that's like one of the most spectacular and impressive military accomplishments.

If we just look at it in terms of just like the sheer numbers of human beings they sent into the reincarnation cycle. Like, it's fucking, it's a crazy number, man. They killed somewhere between, I think the estimates are 50 to 60 million people over the course of his lifetime 10% of the population of earth yeah and they you know how by brutal one-on-one contact bows and arrows fire catapults swords spears trampled and through all of that it doesn't seem like power corrupted the guy so he was he was big on unmarked grave no statues were allowed to be made of him no paintings no anything

that's that they killed everybody that was involved in it. The people that went to bury him, another group came out to kill them, and then another group came out to kill the people that killed them. They came in three waves so that no one would have any idea where Genghis Khan is buried, and we still don't know. You know, that's one of the the qualities of There's a perception as a Lansky sort of the actor the showman all that kind of stuff some of that is true But in his interactions that I'm aware of with the soldiers

There is no Like he wants to be in the exact same level sleep on the same bunks no Glamor none of that which I personally admire no leader in general just walk amongst It's a very admirable thing I mean if you're gonna ask people to leave me could you imagine if Biden was at the front line? You know I'm saying yeah, yeah, you may maybe see Kamala Harris at the front line in Afghanistan could you see that? Did you see Obama at the front line? No you see Trump at the front line? Fuck out of here 78 years old leave him alone alone. It's a very

admirable thing. And if you know, that's the thing if people have always said the number one concern that people have with the military industrial complex is sending young men to die in a war that's unnecessary for profit while you are in an air-conditioned office, right? That was during fear and loathing in Las Vegas. Who was it? McGovern? Did McGovern say that? But it was a very powerful speech. He said, I'm tired of watching these old men in air-conditioned offices send young

men to die in these unnecessary wars. Actually, uh... So if you're willing to be out there, too, that's a very different thing. That's a very different thing. I mean, some people make the argument that a president should moderate how much they do that because... You could die. You could die, but also where's I? To make compromised decisions in the realm of geopolitics and in the realm of war you have to have a bit of coldness

If you really feel the pain of soldiers you may make unwise decisions in terms of Diplomatic decisions yes in terms of for example. You've seen a lot of people die children die and If you've seen enough There's no the idea of quote-unquote peace is a dirty word, right? Like you want justice isn't that a problem right now? Not just in Ukraine, but also in Gaza Yeah, I mean that this is the thing that The the sheer number of people that died that that had nothing to do with it is crazy. It's crazy. I think the most recent estimate and they don't even know because there's so many people that are

under rubble. The most recent estimate was somewhere north of 60,000 people and how many of them are kids? Like what's the number of kids that have been killed by missiles that had done nothing wrong? Like what's that number? And those kids have families and those kids have mothers and brothers and sisters and some people that lived and some people that died and whoever makes it out of that you want to radicalize somebody you want to radicalize somebody to to just want nothing but revenge I can think in no better way no better way and here Donald Trump is tasked with yeah going in there trying to make peace I think I'm pretty optimistic about just knowing the skill set of all the people involved in Israel Palestine in Russia Ukraine. I'm pretty optimistic about I can't believe those people those hostages are still alive

Yeah, how many of them are still alive now? They know exact numbers are but it's crazy that they were not freed sooner. The whole thing is horrible from top to bottom including all the people that have decided what happened. People that are saying it was definitely a false flag like, these things are complicated. These things are complicated. It's definitely like whenever something horrible happens and someone fucked up, like someone fucked up, Israel is the most protected place on earth.

It's one of the most secure countries on earth. For them to let something like that happen is just a huge fuck up. But what I had heard was that there was also a lot of troops that were stationed near where there were protests. So there was a lot of protests about Netanyahu before October 7th happened, what most people weren't even aware of. There was hundreds of thousands of people in the streets protesting Netanyahu before October 7th.

So then October 7th comes and then all of a sudden, now whenever you have any sort of military engagement, any sort of, you're at war right now, when those things happen, one of the first things that happens is all the protests and all the bullshit stops because now a bunch of people got killed. And when anything like that happens and you are now involved in a countrywide assault on this other country, everything else gets put aside. And so the big conspiracy fear has always been when a leader knows that they're going to get pushed out, they'll start a false flag or start a war. So they look at October 7th and they say they let that happen or they say they had knowledge

of it, they knew it was going to happen, happen they knew it but they wanted an excuse to raise Gaza they wanted an excuse to just have a full-on bombing campaign against Hamas I mean you definitely need to look at the incentives there that is one of the concerns in Ukraine for for President Zelensky the the prospects of ending the war because right now the country's unified If you end the war and you have elections, now you have to face a lot of the consequences internally so forth with me. I talked to him before October 7th for an hour. I regret Talking to him for an hour one of the things I really Learned a lot from you and from just myself You can't you can't do one of the things I really don't like what happened with me talking to Donald Trump is

Like 40 minutes with Donald Trump Yeah, it it was a mistake. They didn't really there was a I was almost willing to do that with Kamala Harris Well, calm is that a neening I was entertaining the 45 minute one I was entertaining because I was like maybe if I could just come in at a 10 to like work my brain up Like really come in and just engage with it real quick. I just wanted to get, I wanted to get loose. The problem is like I want to see how you are as a real person. I think actually genuinely with you and Kamala Harris, I think 45 minutes is horrible, but

I think you're so skilled and like compassionate, just like it's fun. It's fun to talk to you. I think you would just end up being much, much longer. That's the hope. If that's the hope, yeah. There would be questions though. And some questions would be very complicated, like the immigration question. Like I would say, what's happening?

Like what is happening? Do you think that there should be limitations to this? Do you think it should be stopped outright? Do you think we should round up all the people that we know that are terrorists that made it across? Are we keeping track of them? Do we know how many? Do we know what happened?

Do we know why it happened? Why are people opposed to the idea of cracking down on border patrol, making more soldiers available, putting walls up everywhere? What is the reason to not do this? Tell me what you're thinking. And when people start talking about labor, they're talking about bringing in labor and then our population is lower. Like Chuck Schumer brought that up, talk about like, we need workers. And I'm like, Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa,

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How about just make legal immigration easier for poor people that are trying to get over here? How would just scratch scan them, screen them, make sure that they're not fucking murderers, make sure that our cartel members and then let them in easier. Like, wouldn't that be a better way to do it to vet people? But the idea of not vetting people just doesn't make any sense at all. That would have been a problem. That conversation would have been a problem because it doesn't make any sense at all. And I'm a I'm a grandchild of immigrants. I believe in immigration. I think I think America is the fucking shining light in the world.

Like if you can get here, you can actually make something happen. There's not a caste system. They actually reward people from, you you know started from the bottom now we're here like that's a thing here although that's Drake East Canada but it's that that thought gonna be America soon right yeah we're gonna take over Canada for sure yeah that needs to happen yeah 51st state let's go Puerto Rico's next you got to become a real state now You know Puerto Rico's got a weird thing where you're allowed to not pay taxes, but you can't vote You know that deal. That's the Peter Schiff deal

You don't yeah, you don't vote, but you don't pay federal income tax like that I feel like think you're gonna go to jail some day Fucking pull you inside go we change that rule and you owe us Four billion dollars in back taxes you fucking criminal. What are you doing out here? Hanging out on this island just stealing money But yeah, we definitely need legal legal immigration the idea of bringing like the best people in the world here. Yeah, but also Mark Andreessen talks about this like we need to make sure we recruit like the Midwest, the farm boys, get them to like do epic shit inside you know Americans.

Well here's step one. Ramp up the fucking education system. Jesus Christ. At what point in time do we not say, how far do we have to slip down the list of like the best performing students in the world before someone comes along and says, hey, the whole thing about this place is if our kids are losers, they're going to grow up to become loser adults. Make it way easier to be a winner. What's the best way to do that? Have a way better education system. Just imagine if they completely revamped the education system in this country. Just poured a shitload of money and had the wisest minds come up with a brilliant strategy for more creative ways of approaching learning, pushing

people into viable pathways that maybe didn't even exist when the education system was structured because things have changed so much in the world that you could probably do a way better job than we're doing which would make people come out of that they would emerge better qualified people so we would get more shit done in America so America would prosper overall the GDP would grow the fucking everything would be better. You'd have less poverty. You'd have more, this is, that's where they need to start. Just, not just let in all the immigrants. How about fix what we got here and then expand that outward. Like make this place the best it can be and then expand that idea out to the rest of the world. So instead of like letting everybody walk here from third world countries because third world countries suck expand

What's better out to the rest of the world and? A big part of that is actually culturally changing Accepting celebrating venerating meritocracy. Yes, the guy in the class see I you know Having gone to school in the Soviet Union like I was good at math and I was actually believe it or not super cool Because I was good at math in class when I was like Like I was the cool kid because I was good at math like I was getting like in America I had a girlfriend when I was young Isn't that fun? But no no no I think it's wrong. I think they're wrong. You should get violent.

You should. But I think they're wrong, but it's a fascinating thing to make fun of the smart kid. Especially math. Look at that fucking robot over there. Science. Isn't that weird? But actually, even in all walks of life, sports is a little better. We do celebrate great athletes, but there's still kind of this the participation trophy thing

There's still a kind of sense where? We want to help the people that aren't quite as good at a thing. That's only with little kids though sports sports are but it's What how little like boards once kids get into like the teenage years sports is a meritocracy Yes, but culturally do we really say like this is like this is amazing that this person is winning Yeah, we do get I want to take you to a Texas football game with Texas This is what America should be this is what America should be is all that it should all be fired up, but not just about Football no, but all I like everything music here's the problem football like physics quarterbacks get laid All right, that's a handsome guy. It's gonna try and tell you okay

This is physicists used to be a Soviet Union will get a lot of pussy about Feynman Well, he got yes. Yeah, but he's another one. Those guys were freaks, right? Oppenheimer. You saw the movie He was a freak. Yeah, those guys were studs because they were the smart people and there was a lot of grad students that wanted To fuck the professor and that was normal stuff back then But I don't know if they were studs in the general population They were studs in a way. They were like, look, Einstein was a national hero, right? There's no one like that today.

There's no one scientist that's a groundbreaking research of theory of relativity where everybody's aware of it. There's nothing like that today. We celebrate people like maybe like Neil deGrasse Tyson who are communicators of science. Yeah, but not to the same extent. Like he's, he's, he's criticized way more than Einstein ever was. Einstein was pretty celebrated. It's just, and even Feynman, like for the people that knew him, like he was a, he was a cultural figure.

He wasn't an obscure name. Like if you brought up Richard Feynman, most people that like watch the news and read newspapers probably know who he is if they were in their 30s. That's not the case today for you know say someone who's groundbreaking research with AI or someone who's involved in quantum computing or just just a few of these science communicators you know. Brian Cox like guys like him were great at it in terms of space. And some guys are better at it in terms of talking about AI or talking about all the different emerging technologies

because there's so many of them. But there's no one person who's like our, other than Elon. But Elon's such a unique character. You can't even like, you can't put him in the same category as in Einstein because he's just like a cultural weirdness. Like who is this guy? Like making memes, cracking jokes, dunking on people, telling people to go fuck themselves, buys Twitter, you know, it runs a bunch of different companies simultaneously while playing

video games constantly. It's like that doesn't fit in anywhere else. That's like a very unique thing that exists this Elon Musk guy. Yeah, he's one of the most unique human beings in all of history. But you can even move to like even the Jeff Bezos who by the way successfully launched the first rocket yesterday to orbit. Yeah. Which is incredible. Amazing. Even he gets, I think that should be venerated. Sure, but he's not the guy that's making the, he's not doing the calculations and designing

and engineering the machines like Werner von Braun was. So it's like what we're fascinated by today is different. It's like we're fascinated by these public figures that talk about the work that's being that's going on But the people that are actually doing it there's not like one standout Although to say both Jeff Bezos and Elon are legit good engineers like they Know what they're doing. Yeah for sure But like the thing about Elon is weird is like he just has so many things you get you get confused. Like, how can you do this? And I was talking about possibly buying tik tok. Yeah, like, I wonder if they would go after him if you do that. Would that be like a minute? But but but Bezos or rather, sort of Zuckerberg,

rather, they bought Instagram, right? So they have Facebook and Instagram, right? And then they like, why couldn't you have TikTok and Twitter? What are you talking about? Monopoly wise? Yeah. Oh, yeah. I don't think they'll go after them. They're trying to split up Google right now. Alphabet. Really? Like to make maybe Chrome or YouTube its own business. Hmm. I think there's an argument. There's some argument, but like they.

The crazy thing about YouTube is how effective it is right like YouTube is Just think it's like seems so straightforward. Just have a place where people can upload videos, okay? That's straightforward everybody should be able to make one of those by the way No, there's just one really hard to actually pull that off on the engineering side to be able to like yeah Just there's there's just no other place like it to be able to host how much data the scale just a volume the volume of fucking data that comes into their site every day yeah it just and then there's people of course online sort of criticizing YouTube for censorship blah blah blah and I'm like oh they should they should but like hey more people

need to be like this this fucking thing exists It's like Wi-Fi on the airplane. It's like this is in court There's no other platform like YouTube in terms of like the set of features the community they create the search and discovery Yeah, do you think Apple regrets having it one being one of the first built-in apps on the iPhone? I could have had a lot to do with the growth. Well definitely did I'm sure. They didn't make it but they included it. Right. Also Google Maps was too until they made their own.

Well I mean you probably want to have the best shit on your phone if you want people to buy it. You're kind of trapped. Everybody knows YouTube is the best shit. And if you get YouTube on an Android phone natively, instantly, which you can, when you get an Android phone it already has YouTube loaded onto it. Why wouldn't you load it on an iPhone? natively, instantly, which you can. When you get an Android phone, it already has YouTube loaded onto it. Why wouldn't you load it on an iPhone? Everybody uses YouTube.

You gotta pick your battles. It was 2007 though. That's true. Gonna have three minute videos back then. You're right. They probably didn't realize how big YouTube was gonna be, right? But what they did do that's the sneakiest thing

that drives me crazy is the 30%. So like if you start an app, you put an app in the app store, the Apple store, they get 30%. Like that's crazy. Because YouTube dominates so much, if people get censored, that's really painful. Like that's not- Yeah. Well, they're so in control of the video market.

And I don't envy it. It's got to be an insane place to try to manage. But it's just kind of wild that no one else has been able to come up with anything even remotely close. You know, you've got rumble, they do really well. But it's like, rumble is like a very conservative, Ivermectin using libertarian sort of space. The opposite of blue sky like these guys like Exactly, but there's a lot of like left-wing shows on rumble rumbles essentially like a legitimate free free speech platform

They don't censor left-wing views you know isn't breaking points are they on rumble I? Watch them on YouTube Twitch for a while though was kind of close and then Amazon bought it. Right, right. Twitch was close. I mean, but then when Amazon bought it, it's something like Twitch kind of disappeared. It's still a thing, but it doesn't make money. It's not profitable, which arguably neither is YouTube. But isn't that crazy? Like if they didn't buy it, maybe it would have been because Twitch was huge. It still is. Really? Yeah, I mean that's what kids watch. But a lot of kids, they stream everywhere now, right? And there's a bunch of, like, is video games different?

Is there like a bunch of different? Twitch became more, it was just in TV and it's kind of reverted back to it now. Like, most of the popular stuff is IRL streaming, people walking around, going places, doing shit, streaming, going, you know, doing nonsense. That's so weird. And so, what are the video games streamed on? What does everybody like? It's still that there's been a few other ones I've tried people like YouTube tried to do it Facebook tried to do it

Microsoft tried to do it. It didn't work? Twitch is still. I watch video games streams on YouTube. So if you're there Twitter's now try to do it but like the Microsoft one went away. YouTube doesn't really advertise the live streaming stuff very well. You can find it but it's not. So essentially it's just Twitch for video games. It's dominant for sure. Dominant. Okay. So Twitch didn't go away. I'm just old. So it's, I thought there was a bunch of new ones that were good though that people were using.

Kik took off. Yeah. But that's not, everyone sort of went back to Twitch after they made deals there. So was that a deal where they like get like a famous streamer and they say, hey, we're going to give you money to come over to this new platform. And then they try to start the platform. Yeah. I mean, that's a good idea. You buy everyone to come over and hopefully everyone sticks.

Just didn't stick. Just think about the resources you would have to have if you wanted to take on YouTube Like look if Elon had decided like okay We need to turn X into the new YouTube well. He kind of wants to do that yeah So it's kind of what if you wanted to start a separate app Because twitch or excuse me X is still mostly people exchanging information Mostly exchanging hyperlinks the The closest thing it's to is like TikTok on the video. The short video clips is good. So I can see actually, I'm buying TikTok.

It makes total sense and integrating into X. But in terms of long form content, it's just not quite there because you have to implement all of these features. And it is engineering wise, really difficult to have that much video. We upload hours at a time.

Yeah. Hours. So think about it. Each one of our shows is at least two hours, three hours mostly. That's so much fucking data. If you're letting everybody do that, how much are you paying for bandwidth?

What is that like? Because it's free? And then you have to get ads. And then the ad's like, hey, we don't want anybody saying fuck. Oh, shit. All right, put up a filter. Get rid of all the fuck so that Paul Mollof can

sell their fucking hand soap. Whatever it is, whoever's getting upset at us. Oh, did someone talk about the vaccine? Yeah, you can't get an ad because we're trying to sell vaccine and so don't be a cocksucker Don't ruin my giant business that I've created on your data But it is surprising that nobody's built a competitor not even close as any just shows concrete what the teams are right? Well, they they nailed it. This is what they did. They made the perfect algorithm to constantly Show you things you're interested in.

When I go to my YouTube feed, they're right every day. Every day they're right. I'm like, oh, I'm interested in that. Oh, when was that built? Oh, look at that. Oh, is that real? That's what they got me every fucking day. Yeah, I actually tweeted complaining a little bit about YouTube recently.

And we had a whole meeting and stuff. What were you complaining about? So they have this incredible, I don't want to complain about Wi-Fi on the airplane before saying the positive, so they have this incredible feature called MLA multi-language audio. I don't know if you know about this but you can have multiple tracks of audio for a single podcast, a video in different languages. So I had to do that for, as in last interview, that's overdubbed into three languages for the different.

Did you use AI to do that or did you hire people? So, did both, but in this case I did AI because of the voice cloning. You want, there's something really intimate and powerful about hearing the person speak in that language. And I've just found out that, you know, for example, on audio, people listen to the Zelensky interview, it's dubbed into English, he's speaking Russian or Ukrainian. They listen and they enjoy it. Like they've, they've, they've, you could

see the numbers, you could see how they write to me personal messages, how they, uh, you know, on Instagram stories, they're listening to it in English. Right. And they're able to listen to it for a prolonged period of time like it's in English. Did you review it? And listen to it make sure the context translates correctly Yeah, so I should give a shout out to a company called 11 labs that do the voice cloning that do the translation and this What's called text-to-speech? They're incredible people Not just the product, actually there's certain companies that I work with. Nothing frustrates me more than incompetence,

and nothing excites me more than competence. Like they're just sweet people, by the way, like stayed up crazy hours through the holidays. A lot of big companies take like two months off. They're nine to five, they're all very polite, there's a manager of big companies like take like two months off. They're just there's you know they're nine to five. They're all very polite. There's a manager of a manager and there's meetings and it's slow and there's this bureaucracy and with Lovin Labs with a lot of startups, good startups, you like have this just

vibrancy and kindness and everybody is excited all that kind of stuff. Anyway they do the the text to speech you know you have like text on the page that you can speak in the Joe Rogan voice I mean you're aware of this so if you want to translate you first translate the transcribe the original language translate it on the page and then text the speech bring it to life in that other different language. The translation step is the tricky one, is the hardest one, where a human should correct and help.

I got, I mean, we had very little time to do this, we had to do it really rapidly, but you get into trouble. So for example, he said- How much time did you have? I don't remember the exact number of days, but probably five or six days to do everything. So... In three languages. In three languages. And he and I did the asshole thing, which is we kept switching languages sentence to sentence. Oh no. Because we kept, and like, and he would swear in Russian, mid-sentence, so of course the translator's like sweating, because most of the sentence is Ukrainian,

and then he says fuck or go fuck yourself, he swore a lot. Like, you know, that part would be in Russian, the swear, so you have to catch all of that, you have to not make mistakes, and some of it, there was AI in the loop, we had to figure out, because nobody really has done this kind of thing before so I have to figure it all out and Mistakes can be made when you're rushing like this rushing like this

Like I just did By the way me saying that could be turned transcribed into me saying Russian and then you translate it like that. So for example, we said he was talking about corruption, sensitive topic. He said something like, anybody who we caught doing something with the weapons or being corrupt, we would beat, the exact term is beat them on the hands. If you're speaking Ukrainian, which in Ukrainian means will crack down on them. That was automatically translated to slap them on the wrist. Which which makes sense as a direct literal translation, right?

Beat them on the hands, slap them on the wrist. Makes sense. But like and I didn't catch it. I'm not sleeping. I'm like reading it. I speak all the languages so like I'm trying to like figure out this puzzle and We didn't catch it and then of course like a lot of people got really mad and they spoke up, you know the You know the internet in general is like how can you translate this? Are you? Of course, it must be because I'm a Putin shill and getting funded and I'm not translating. But yeah, there could be sensitive moments, like you had a lot of really high profile figures here, there could be sensitive moments

if translated, could do a lot of damage. On the flip side, it makes it accessible, especially for important conversations. It makes it accessible to people that really need to hear it. Why were you under such a time constraint? Because the the seriousness of the conversation, like the every single day there's major missile launches. So did you, it just, you didn't have a five-day deadline, you just, it took you five days to do it. Yes and the and I don't want to sort of put it on them, but the president Zelensky's office was asking as soon as possible. When this was coming out, right?

They were really pushing it, and they were implying, probably correctly, that there's just going to be a lot of dynamic stuff happening on the peace negotiations. So he wanted to use this as a statement. The Kremlin watched it, so everybody's watching it. It's part of the puzzle pieces that they're using to figure out when are we going to meet, when are we going to, what are going to be the outlines of a treaty. So you have to take it very seriously. But then I've learned a lot because you need to probably

hire more and trust everybody involved and turn it around much quicker. You know what I mean? You know me, in terms of production and everything, the team is one person. And then there's now folks helping with editing, but it's just a tiny team. There's no, and so for things like this,

you have to take it seriously. You have to like maybe have like a special force team that kind of steps up and helps. Right, a group of people that are translators that you could really count on to get it right. Because a lot of the- To review it, but you would want to have to personally review it anyway. 100%. But you want the translators you trust to do a good job.

And one of the things we learned really quickly is you can't just get any translator there. I mean, translation is an art. It truly is. And people were they were translating it. It's like open my comedy. Right. It really like,-mic comedy. Right. It really, like, there's, like, do you think, even the same joke in the mouth of different comics would just be way different.

Right. And the way they were translating it was cold, they were missing the points, they were not understanding the context. The AI way is genius. Yeah, but the translation piece of the AI still needs the human to fix it. And how does the human emphasize emotion? Like if he has a specific intonation, if the way he's talking about, how does AI know how to say the words in translation

and which ones to emphasize? So this is where 11 Labs is really incredible but they it uses the actual words to figure out the intonation. So the okay so the translation of the words? Right. Or the original word, hearing the word? No it's always working on the text so let's just stick with English for now before I say translation. Text on the page, like I have a Dwight Eisenhower speech here, every gun that is made, every warship launched, every rocket fire signifies, that feels like a serious thing. Like we can probably infer how to read that. If I gave you that text you would infer the heaviness

The timing right and AI is pretty good at doing that not perfect and you can what if you delivered that speech like Hitler? Like I want to know like how are they getting that like when Would yell about stuff and then they had a translation of it in English And so there are they doing it off text or they're doing off the sound of the like when he's saying the words and translating it Because then you would know he's conveying a certain amount of emotion or are they Editing it in post and saying he's got to be louder here He's yelling or is a human involved in that or Yeah, there are humans involved in every part of that. So they're setting the hyperparameters of like, how loud is it, how dynamic it is.

They can change all of that and they can change specific, they can basically generate like five different options for the sentence and then. That's so crazy. But that is an art form, right? Yeah, but it really is so crazy that we're not gonna be able to tell if you said something yeah like we're kind of there there's there's real cheap ones of me selling everything I see all the time on Instagram like you

know different rappers and country western songs and go to this restaurant. You just generate them from AI. But you can still kind of tell. But then I've seen some ones. I'm sure you've seen that one of the one guy where it's a completely AI generated thing, voice and everything, and he's talking and he's telling you like this is completely AI generated and you probably can't believe this but it's true. He's explaining how it's done and it's nuts. nuts It's so realistic and I mean I should say like from my experience with his Lenski conversation It's dubbed into all these languages is dubbed into English. He's speaking Ukrainian and Russian There's a lot of people like I've seen this that think he's speaking English just because it's so close, right?

It's his voice crazy and so like now I have this responsibility here I am with my fucking exhausted sleep-deprived translating like his exact words I could put whatever words in his mouth like I could have the slap on the wrist thing I fuck you know let me just take responsibility I guess I fucked up you know it's three hours it's very tough to like right but like I could have you know put in like I like dicks in there Just just throw it in there. You know just for fun. Yeah, that's kind of crazy, right? Yeah, and it's out and there's a lot of people that believe like okay. This is what he's saying right so I mean

There's a huge responsibility with that and I think that's why people trust a particular podcast and so on. Like you're not going to fuck with that responsibility. Right. No, you're very aware of it. And you take it very seriously. Yeah, but it's still hard to decide who and how to talk to is really, really difficult to think through. The Zelensky conversations think difficult to think about whether to talk to Putin or

not and how to talk to him It's difficult to think about Benjamin Netanyahu to talk to him after October 7th He's one of the most universally hated people on the planet now, right? And it's like okay So how do you write talk to him and what what do you get him to say about the innocent people that have been killed? But he has a certain perspective which I should say that a lot of people inside Israel probably support. I mean I should also say not now but earlier in Qatar when the Hamas was in Qatar they were

interested in doing a podcast. The members of Hamas who are not in hiding so the representatives were interested in doing a podcast, and they decided not to because it's like, everyone knows what Hamas is, it's almost like easy, why not do a podcast, but it was like, well that just feels, I mean you are platforming hate there that's in a way where you can't properly Dissect and present and analyze and push and pull you can't criticize them

All right, you're not gonna be in a position where you can criticize them Well, I should say in Qatar it's safe. What's up? In Qatar, it's safe. So there I could criticize and in fact one of the Ways I would imagine talking to Hamas is pushing them actually pretty hard in that case I would actually push hard and they would probably because a lot of them are kind of just Pretty shallow and insane so like they would just get really angry like there's a be real anger Yeah, they would not come off as One of the fears talking to dictators is just the charisma. Like they would... you know my opening statement to Netanyahu was you know a

lot of people hate you. When I talked to him in August, a lot of people were protesting outside. There's a lot of people that hate you What do you get to say? What do you have to say to those people? Right? That's the opening thing. He says Like he said something like everybody loves me. I just gave a talk in Iran and 20 million people Listen to me and they love me. So this is like so how do you? people listen to me and they love me. So that's just like, so how do you talk to a person where the reality is like, well, no, no, there are, there are people that love you, Prime

Minister Netanyahu, but there's quite a lot of people outside that don't, that don't love you. What did you expect him, um, when you brought that up, did you have expectations? Would you expect him to say? I expected for him to analyze where that hate comes from. To start to empathize, fake or not, to understand that perspective. And to understand the perspective maybe of the Palestinians or the Gazans that hate him. And then maybe make the case of Israel like

After steel manning the Palestinian case say well listen word like this tiny country that everybody's shooting rockets at Make then make the case for Israel the historic case the the military case the geopolitical case, right? but he did it was like Everybody loves me But in that answer you think he really believed that yeah. Yeah, he believed it. He. But in that answer... Do you think he really believed that? Yeah, yeah. He believed it. He's locked in. Locked in. But, or, I mean, he's complicated.

He's just so... That was definitely a wall. How much more time does he have in power? I mean, that's a consistent minute-by-minute thing. He, as long as he is being elected. And it's the same question for Zelensky. How long does he have in power? It's the same question. When does Israel have their elections again?

Are they doing that while they're in the middle of this conflict? I'm not deeply familiar with the dynamics of it, but I think they can have elections at any time. Like, there's coalitions that form and I can, I think it's a bunch of countries have this kind of thing. So I think there's elections coming up. There might be a martial law type of situation, forgive me, I'm not exactly sure, but it is basically under constant internal political pressure where he can lose power. Are you aware at all of his political opponents? Yeah, there's a bunch of people

I mean they have to walk a tight rope because there is a lot of fear and anger inside of Israel now. Like you said after October 7th, there's like an existential fear when the whole assumption of the Israeli people was that this kind of attack cannot possibly happen with Iron Dome and the defenses. And so you have a more, there's more room, there's capacity to elect more radical people that are more right wing, they're more aggressive they're more militaristic Well, this is why we the one of the big reasons why people

Love to dive into the false flag narrative because they find an incentive For people to allow something to take place because if you allow something to take place you sacrifice a certain percentage of your population you You have now new rules and you have much more power and you have a society that's behind you now because there's a reason why they want to fight. And this is why anytime there's anything that ever happens, there's a bunch of people that think it's a false flag. A bunch of people think 9-11 was a false flag.

And then there's real ones that we know about like operation Northwoods didn't happen But they really did sign the Joint Chiefs of Staff signed Proposal where they wanted to blow up American airliner and blame Cuba we wanted to arm Cuban friendlies and attack Guantanamo Bay and They wanted to invade Cuba under false pretenses of a false flag. We really do stuff like that. Like it's it's a and I say by we I mean humans. Humans in power. Nero burned Rome. Like Hitler burned a Reichstag. There's there's false flags that they they create these situations to force people to fight. And that's a real thing. But it's also, it's also like, people get caught with their pants down too. So it's like, it's hard to know what's what. It's

hard to know what's what. But the same organization that did the whole pager thing, the sophisticated intelligence required for that somehow missed an obvious breach of a Right and they were warned by Egypt the whole thing is it's very It's very very very tragic Jamie just quick request. Are you tracking the Starship launch? I know you want to watch we've got five minutes. I think yeah four minutes. It's 356 right now, so Watch it. Yeah, I know you do America Wrap it up with that um

Is it launching live? Yeah? It's live. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, hope it doesn't blow up back suck What if it blows up while we're watching? I don't think at this stage blowing up I mean it would be really awesome if it doesn't blow up if it flies and then it's caught by the 13 minutes in 13 minutes okay we got time Jamie keep an eye on it at this time I mean it's called Starship Test 7 for a reason like you right you wanna you wanna blow a few up every now and again so far the tolerances are it is nice for Jeff Bezos to succeed on the first try like the first one is really important because there's a lot of skepticism. Could this even be done with the New Glenn rocket?

But and now Bezos and Ilana Homies again, Homies, they're expressing platitudes on Twitter. Yeah, they're going to sit together at the inauguration. What? I'm trying to check something. I'm not finding the right video. OK, no worries. Where? I'm trying to check something. I'm not finding the right video. Okay. No worries. Where should I go? Because I tried typing SpaceX. Yeah, be really careful. Just find the official SpaceX channel or you can go on X. Yeah, go on X. There's going to be a bunch of bots selling you crypto if you're not careful. Don't go on Pornhub that's a different one you can't go on Pornhub in Texas this is a violation of human rights that's what I'm saying are you

going to the inauguration perhaps are you unfortunately yeah really unfortunately socializing all the socializing. Oh you do it on purpose for work No, I just know Listen, I've never I never go out the things for work. I don't work It's more like I felt like it's an opportunity like to meet people No, like you would regret if you didn't go like it's a historic. Mm-hmm It's a historic moment and also George St. Pierre said he's gone. Oh, okay Yeah, I think Gordon's gone too. Yeah Yeah, um, it's a very different thing this time around people are very hopeful with him as president now What's very different than in 2016?

2016 is like this existential crisis that the media just blasted into everybody's head I think enough time has passed and enough faith has been lost in the media that people have sort of woken up out of that and realized like we can't keep going the way we were going. I hope the good vibes continue in general like that the the politicization of everything will not escalate quickly here. It's possible. It's possible. Even the inauguration itself. Yeah. Like I hope they're not, it's not a divisive event.

It's more of an inspiring event. Well, it's gonna be divisive with some people. There's no getting around that. Some people just, their psychology. Like that lady in the pink that was yelling. Like the lady that said that Pete Hegseth said that when he really didn't say it. He just published it. Someone else wrote it.

It says 37 minutes. 37? We don't have that kind of time. This just went live so it doesn't say anything. Just a big ol' SpaceX. And there it is. Is that it sitting there chilling? I'm trying to double check most of these.

They all say 37 minutes and counting. Wow. Let's see. Who's Felix? These are just channels. Oh, so a bunch of different channels. There's tons of channels with it. So I'm trying to find the most accurate or real one because someone could be live streaming right fake one. What are they live streaming though? Yeah, is there sorts of stuff? Does space have its own page? So that I just typed I just went to live on YouTube. This is where my was bringing up a twitch like it's hard to find right live. Does SpaceX have an account?

That's when I typed it in that's when he was bringing up you start getting all sorts of crazy shit And I get like space all these weird that's not them. That's not them space X live That's that would not they wouldn't put that in their official account. Oh Wow, they might you know what? SpaceX might have just closed their YouTube channel, I'm guessing, because they want to do it on X. Yeah, that makes sense. So I went to there, and that's what it's not showing

anything yet. How weird. It just went up three minutes ago. So it's just a bunch of fakers pretending to be SpaceX. Well, SpaceX live like that? You're not SpaceX. Yeah. Tricking me into looking at your channel.

They're boosting the algorithm I guess you know so this is it. This is an older one. This is old and some of them Everyday astronaut is really great. I recommend people stream him. He's a great Wait, I feel like have you talked to him? I'm not exactly sure but he was a he went after Bart I'm not exactly sure. But he went after Bart, what is his name, Bart Sibrel? Yeah.

Did he? I mean, not went after, I should say. Just he used the opportunity to educate. He has this really long. Got to get the two of them in the same room. Yeah, for sure. That's what he wants. He keeps being on my case.

I want to debate him. Did you ever have Bart on your podcast? No. But Bart wants to debate him. I was like, do I want this? Do I Did you ever have Bart on your podcast? No, but Bart wants to debate him I was like do I want this? Of course you do. Shut the fuck up. Do it. I think I Think there's a yeah, it's it's something that happened in the past like what are we gonna learn from it say was completely fake, right, what's the I

Would rather focus on modern-day conspiracies. What you don't want to know if they fake the moonland. Are you crazy? I do want to know but like okay that to me. How does your life change a lot a Lot okay, this is how yeah because you know that government is able to do government is able to fake the fucking moon landing And to get people to shut their mouths and a bunch of people disappeared Yeah, the story's nuts dude. Yeah, do you know the story about God was his name? I don't remember but he was a journalist What was he assigned to do? Signed to do an audit of NASA and he wrote a hundreds of pages.

And his analysis, this is like 1964, 65, 66, somewhere around then. So it was years before the moon landings. God, I can't remember his fucking name. I used to have this shit at the tip of my tongue. But he parked his car with his family in it on a train Track and a train smashed their car and the the document was never retrieved. It was Vanished who went away bye. Bye and then a few years later

Everyone's on the moon. I wonder what that's Grisham the years later everyone's on the moon. I wonder what the mechanism is. Gus Grisham, the pilot of Apollo 1, the guy that burned alive in that thing, he hung a lemon on that thing saying that it would never work. They couldn't communicate with the tower, how's this thing supposed to get us to the moon? And that guy, you know, people, his family believes he was murdered for that. There's a lot of weirdness in the moon landing buddy. See Tim Dodd, Tim Dodd. If they really did pull it off and then all these people are cucking for the fucking government of the 1960s, it's kind of hilarious. Wait, they pulled off the fake. The faking. The faking. Yeah. So Tim Dodd, Everyday Astronaut, apparently has an answer to all of this. Yeah.

What's his answer to the Van Allen radiation belt. There is an answer I'm not this is I'm not gonna turn this debate. I don't It's a cute one. Whatever it is the answer That's what it has to be cute like to send people through thousands of miles of intense radiation and have no Biological animal that you've ever done that to that's come back alive. And just let's try it on people. So let me try to convince you as an agent of the Mossad and the CIA.

I think, okay, this is from me looking at Wikipedia for about five seconds. So I thought the belt is not all the way around so you can go around the belt. No, you can get through the top and the bottom, but you have to fly out of Antarctica Right and you really can't do that and then the way we did it We had to go through it and we had to go through it. I think it's for a couple hours Maybe it's possible and maybe we're gonna find out soon, right? Hopefully unless they go through Antarctica

There's so it's like a doughnut. That's's what it is the intense band of radiation is like a donut But apparently the the actual amount of radiation is not that Intense I mean again speaking as a massage Depends on who you're asking Van Allen thought it was pretty fucking intense and also there was a operation starfish prime Do you know about that? Operation Starfish Prime, they were trying to blow a hole through the radiation belt, so they launched nuclear weapons into space and detonated them and had the opposite effect, like supercharged the radiation belt, made it more radioactive. Yeah. Operation Starfishfish prime Google that What's that?

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, it's also He's right. No, he's right. But I mean like when they measured it When they measured it was like way more radiation. They didn't blow a hole through it at all. They fucked it up. They supercharged it But just the fact that they were trying to do that. They were trying to blow up But just the fact that they were trying to do that they were trying to blow up Nuclear weapons in space like if I was the aliens that's when I would start showing up like look at these fucking assholes High altitude nuclear tests. What what are people doing? Not only that it shut off the power in Hawaii it fucked Hawaii up Hawaii had like a brownout like these guys are psychopaths

Can you imagine like sitting at a table with a bunch of generals and this guy comes in with a cigar? I want to launch a fucking nuke in space. I want to see what happens. I just want to see what happens Mm-hmm. You know what my favorite one of those is the very first detonation of the very first nuclear bomb There was a non-zero chance that that bomb was going to destroy the entire atmosphere of the earth. Just imagine what that feels like, right? Yeah, and they were like, let's see. Let's see. Boom. Nope, we're still here. They were reasonably sure that it wasn't going to do that, but you know, you've never done that before. Who knows? And there's a lot of people asking the question of like in the war in Ukraine, whether Putin is willing to use even tactical

nuclear weapons. Yeah. Just send a statement. That's an open question. It is an open question. And it's like a terrifying possibility. I think generationally have forgotten what nuclear weapons are. Right.

Like most people think it's like a fun TikTok meme. Right. Right. The mushroom clock is just and then and then what happens next? What? What are the next two back and forth back and forth? No, everything's gone. Everything's gone like that. And that's why I'm excited about Starship launches because the back of the back of the book out of here. Let's live on the sex cult on Mars. No, I love Earth. I prefer Earth. The sex cult. Right, but if you had to be a person who lived and Earth was going to blow, you'd probably try it.

You'd say, listen, maybe I'm going to be the fucking Davy Crockett of Mars, and then years from now this will be a mall. And everybody will remember when Lex came over on the rocket yeah yeah I mean it's really is exciting to see what kind of societies form on Mars even just a hundred people a thousand people ten thousand people hundred thousand people what are the prospects of terraforming because the problem is like Mars is too far from the Sun like it's just not warm enough like so what are they going to do in terms of oxygen? And do you know Terence Howard, the actor? Terence Howard's theory?

He's got a great theory. It's a really interesting theory. He thinks that all solar systems, that instead of it being like a collection of debris from the outer galaxies, it's that too. But what it really is, is the Sun is ejecting matter. And we know that, right? So after millions and millions of years of Sun ejecting matter, the matter coalesces and becomes a planet. As it gets further and further from the Sun, it becomes more hospitable to life. As it gets further and further from the Sun, it becomes more hospitable to life.

As it gets into that Goldilocks zone, where Earth is, it peoples. And then he thinks that this is happening all throughout the galaxy. That planets get to a certain stage and then they people. And then those planets are slowly going to move further and further away further and get colder and colder. And it's up to these creatures to figure out how to get the fuck out of there before it becomes inhospitable. And that's where the advanced civilizations come in. And this is why he thinks the most advanced civilizations are on the planets that are the furthest from the sun, because they're the ones who've adapted and figured out a

way to exist off of some other form of energy other than just sunlight. Well, does he have an idea about which planets in our solar system might be people? It probably used to be Mars. Mars. Still or no? No. There's nothing on there now.

I mean, it's not as credible. But there could have been, there was an atmosphere. There could be life there now. There's water there. There could be, well, there's probably some sort of bacterial life, right? There's probably the real question is is there any evidence that there was other life? Like think about how difficult it is for us to find like dinosaur bones, right? Like dinosaurs have to become a fossil It's like it's a very complicated process. They have to die in mud or something They have to get covered up and then they calcify and if you don't know when you get a fossil that the bone that's fossilized it's not really that bone

what it is is it's been remineralized by all the earth elements and so it's it's kind of a different thing but it's in the shape of the bone that's fossilized bone and what if you're talking about like 30 million years 50 million years a hundred million years 200 million years a Billion years what if Mars a billion years ago had life on it? What would be left nothing? That means in that case nothing what would be left like earth is four point something billion years old right how old Mars? Do we know how old Mars is good estimates like is Mars older. I believe it's older. Yeah So that's pretty similar Right when did the solar system start forming see these are just wild guesses by a bunch of fucking

4.5 billion bunch of eggheads with wild guesses. I'm going with Terrence Howard. I think he's right I think it was what a brilliant idea though. I'm offended you Terence Howard. I think he's right. What a brilliant idea, though. I'm offended you called him an actor. He could be a mathematician, physicist. He's a lot of things. Brilliant guy. His conversation with Eric Weinstein and you was just as art.

It was a good conversation. Some conversations are art. Yeah, that was a good one, because he's a good guy. He's a good guy, and Eric's a very good guy the way he handled it. He was stern and very clear and obvious who was right, but very kind and very friendly, which is a quality that Eric has. The ability to do that, especially when you're talking about something that's so incredibly complex and esoteric.

You're talking about super complicated math and he's showing it You know, like you're talking about like super complicated math and he's showing it to him. Do you know how to do this? When you're showing it on the board and you can tell he doesn't know how to do this. He's like, let me explain how this works. And then you realize like, oh boy, self-taught. You know, this is the thing, like there's a lot of brilliant people that just don't get the correct education, but they're still brilliant. Yeah, the raw horsepower is there. Yes, the raw horsepower is there. Yes, the raw horsepower is there.

Yeah, but I think this theory that he has about planets peopling, I find it so fascinating. I couldn't stop thinking about it for days. I was like, I think he's right. Yeah, I mean, we're going to find out. Even if we discover bacteria on Mars, that's gonna change everything. Like, I'm convinced that there's alien life throughout even the galaxy,

but that's a really open question, and most people don't think so. You know what I think? I don't think it gets past where we are very often. I think it probably fucks up a lot. I think it's too difficult to harness the power of the Sun while you're a tribal monkey and not blow yourself up or fuck things up horribly or just get involved in natural disasters you didn't adequately prepare for. I mean we're still not prepared at

all for asteroid impacts. I mean yeah young address impact theory that's very recent. Yeah and also super volcanoes we're not prepared at all for asteroid impacts. I mean yeah, Young and Drass Impact Theory, it's very recent. Yeah, and also super volcanoes, we're not prepared at all. If we have a super volcano of Yellowstone blows, which it's gonna, one of these is gonna, one of the big ones is gonna blow, they just do. It might blow 100,000 years from now, it might blow next week.

They fucking happen, and we're not prepared. We're not prepared for that. Even if you just look at the LA fires, sorry to interrupt, like, imagine the chaos that's going to be created. Oh, and imagine the LA fires with no fire department. Right. Okay?

Imagine that. Imagine that there's no one out there trying to put that fire out. That would be fucking insane. And you know, I think civilization has probably gone through a gang of those before. I think Graham Hancock, as much as he gets criticized, I think he has probably gone through a gang of those before. I think Graham Hancock, as much as he gets criticized, I think he's onto something. I think Randall Carlson is as well. I think they're onto something. I think this is probably the end of the ice age. It's probably asteroid impacts. There's too much physical evidence that corresponds

with the timeline for it to be ignored. I mean, it's a pretty accepted theory now, the Younger Dryas Impact Theory. It's just like what happened during that time and what existed before that time and all the stuff that we see a few thousand years later, is that a reimagining of civilization out of complete and utter chaos? Because I think it might be. And it might be one of the reasons why we're so fucking barbaric. It might be that our ancestors were the ones who survived the most horrific time in history where we got hit by asteroids and civilization just evaporated instantaneously. Millions of people probably instantaneously died. We were left with chaos in a completely different climate.

Places that were covered in ice are now raging rivers. The whole thing's fucked. All the animals are dead. Most people you know that are anywhere near the impact are dead. People get washed away in the floods, entire civilizations just instantaneously flooded and destroyed. That could happen again. That could happen again tomorrow. That could happen again next month. It's we're in the It's, we're in the shooting gallery. We're in the shooting gallery of the universe. And I bet that's pretty common. So I bet the

race is to try to get intelligent enough that you can do all these different things, but also intelligent enough that you abandon these ancient primal instincts that you have. And that's where we're at the cusp of that. We're at the cusp of our tribal chaos mixed in with impossible knowledge. And it's all happening at the same time. And so this is wild race that's going on. And people like you and people like me and people that are hopeful, We hope we get it, right

We hope we get it right, but we might not get it right and I think out there in the universe I think it's probably more likely that people don't get it right then do get it right and If they do get wiped out, I mean we got the Toba volcano We got down somewhere around 70,000 years ago to a few thousand people on earth What are those motherfuckers like? Like Jesus Christ, those are our ancestors. Those people must have been brutal. Well, that's one of the things I've just seen even on the smaller scale of the war in Ukraine is, you know, your house or the city

gets destroyed. And people adapt immediately. Like the tough people rise up. Like it changes you immediately. There's a resilience to the human spirit. It's crazy. You can adjust. So if an asteroid hits Earth, like the United States, you know, let's say 70% of people dead. Yeah. You get an unlocked power that like your character in the video game has. Yeah. I mean, this is where the people in Texas immediately become The valued commodity versus like I don't know people in Silicon Valley something yeah technology doesn't matter none of that matters survival matters Individual radical individualism matters, and that's one of the things that gives me community matters

Local look very you got a band together but like it's really is a tension of because it's not collectivism it's not like right so governments that rely on central authorities fall apart from that kind of thing well a 100% any natural disaster government like a real big one like an asteroid impact it's gone no the government doesn't do anything anymore they're useless power goes out for a month, they're gone. Everybody's gone. It's any man for himself. No one's protecting you from outlaws. You've seen that already in the California fires. There's gangs of kids, 100 at a time, breaking into houses and looting them in the middle of these evacuation zones. You're seeing chaos. They can't protect

you from that if something happens. And this is something we're not prepared for. We're spending so much time doing other things and not recognizing the incredible vulnerability that our society has. This very fragile system that we put in place. That's so much better than at any time in human history This is the best time to be alive ever by far and it's so fragile and we don't think it's fragile because the power stays on Yeah, one of the things you know Just having traveled across the world like the thing that really America stands out with and why I'm excited about What's happening now is the radical individual freedom. I think the freer the country is, the individual, back to Genghis Khan with the freedom to practice

religion, the freer the people are, the more resilient they are to the terrors, the catastrophes of the world. They just respond, they're much more dynamic. The more centralized and collectivist the society is, the more you're susceptible to corruption, to this kind of propaganda that you're not able to respond to, even like the pandemic. Just governments are not able to do that. The Fauci's of the world will always emerge. It's not even, say even Fauci wanted to do the right thing or something, it's just, it's impossible for the centralized authorities to do the right thing.

You have to have a distributed, you have to put much more weight on the freedom of the individual. That's a really important thing that you just said. It's impossible for the centralized authorities to do the right thing. Really almost is, if they want to do their job. That's why Doge, I mean mean there's a lot of problems there. Yeah. You want to decrease the power,

the size, and the bureaucracy of the federal government. You want them to be mobile, agile, small, efficient, and distributed to the state or to just small companies to companies. How about stop going after the American people? How about that too? Which part? I mean every part? All sorts of things. All sorts of things. You know, attacking people, what's happened with this country because of January 6th

and their version of it and what actually happened. Then, you know, what the FBI did with the Twitter files, with influencing things, what they did with Facebook, where they contacted them, were telling them to take down memes. Can I actually just say about that? I don't know if he gets enough credit, but I think what Mark Zuckerberg did on your podcast is actually, it may not seem that way, but it's courageous.

I think it's courageous. I think he had to do it too. I think it's both things. But like internally, he's running a gigantic company. He's running a gigantic company, but also this is the way things are rolling. Like you either get in the way and get rolled over, or you get on board. And if you want your company to succeed in today's day and age and not be disdained and universally whether it's whether people boycott it or people just start hating on the stock drops like if a new thing that's like Facebook because Facebook is although it's so common It's one of those ones you could do without kind of it doesn't have the kind of information Gathering aspect that X does like if I want to find out what's going on the world. I go to X

Facebook's not like that. It's like people talking about stuff and posting videos and things like I Mean there's also what's that that one could take a hit that could take a big hit Yeah, if people just decided like fuck you and your censorship, you know And I think more people are inclined to say fuck you and your censorship now than ever before so it's a good business decision To stop censoring people and the community notes thing is fucking genius It's the greatest invention ever in terms of like the ability to find out what's right or what's wrong Let's let people post things and it was not true. Enough people report it. People look at it and go, oh it turns out that's not true at all and here's why it's not true.

That shit's huge. It's huge. It's funny when Elon gets community noted too. Even he gets community noted. It's so great. It's so great. Yeah you get community noted son. Everybody does. But it's the best way. It's the best. Yeah, you get community noted son. Everybody does but but it's um, it's the best way It's the best way to find out what's real what's not real But then it's also like, you know Should you let people on your platform that are just fucking straight-up Nazis and trying to recruit people Should you let horrible racism exist on your platform? The problem is that slippery slope man if you If you say no, if you say no,

then other people are going to decide. You remember punch a Nazi, what people saying you should punch a Nazi? I remember like Kurt Metzger was, he was like, well who fucking gets to say who's a Nazi? If it was just like a guy, you know, running a gas chamber, yeah, punch a Nazi. But if it's just some guy who doesn't think that a trans woman should be competing against his daughter in high school sports Like that's not a Nazi Like you've changed the term. I Think the slippery slope is important. There's there's people like Paul. We do our draw who's running telegram and he was you know, Europe rest in peace is

Going after him for like you get arrested. Yeah. Yeah, because there is legitimate terrorists talking to each other on Telegram, but like What the what's the alternative but if it's an encrypted app, how are you gonna stop it? How are you gonna stop if it really is encrypted if they can't read it, right? Like this is what's app if you use use WhatsApp, if you and I message each other on WhatsApp, no one can read it but us. Yeah, but the government wants the back door. That's what they wanted with Telegram. Right, but that's crazy, because you could use that back door

in all kinds of ways. Like they use that back door for Signal. That's how they found out that Tucker Carlson was talking to Putin's people about setting up an interview. He was like, we know you did it on Signal. Tucker's like, I didn't even know you could do that! was talking to Putin's people about setting up an interview. He was like, we know you did it on Signal. Tucker's like, I didn't even know you could do that. That's what Tucker says.

You think Tucker's lying? How dare you? He's not lying. You son of a bitch. You are a Russian plant. No, CIA, Mossad, and Russian, yes, for sure. All of them? How'd you get on all of them?

You got to get to the meeting, bro. I want to see what happens. I want to see what they do with that goat. You got to. Well, Tucker said to see what happens. I'll see what they do with that goat You're gonna well Tucker said they read his signal well, it's very possible But technologic I'm not sure how it's possible to do that. I mean I'm spousals that But the way it's been explained to me is Even though your phone is encrypted. It's not encrypted. Do you like you see it? Right you see as messages you it's encrypted peer-to-peer right so if they can just see your phone

you mean so all that is Korean thing yeah hundred not just screen recording get access to your phone find out all your contacts all your emails but all your passwords all your this is intended encrypted so it's difficult I mean it's possible it's difficult but it's not through signal if you're going through the phone so if you're using Pegasus, you're just compromising the entire phone If you if signals on that phone you you know the passwords already you go into signal you can go in anything Oh in that way yeah, you're you have access to the phone, but that's right. That's that's legitimate hacking right, right? But this is what they're doing right like

That's not what they wanted with telegram. They wanted a legit, like, full on back door. But with- Gavin De Becker explained this to me. He said with, with, um, Pegasus One, you needed to click a link. Right? This is, this is the Jeff Bezos thing. Someone sent him a bad link on WhatsApp. He clicked it.

They had access to his phone. They got compromising information on him. Um, with Pegasus Two, they just need your phone number. So they got your phone number, boom, they're in your phone, that's it. And so if that's the case, if you have a an app like Signal, like I would assume they could read your signal. Because it's like right there on your phone, like if you already got the phone open and they've got a compromise where they can get into your phone. That's actually, by the way, why, you know, I'm going to Ukraine, going to Russia, you got the phone open and they've got a compromise where they can get into your into your phone.

That's actually by the way why you know I'm going to Ukraine going to Russia going back to Ukraine. Trying to get your phone hacked. Well I also try to make sure like dick pics that I sent to you and to Dylan aside I try not to there's nothing to hide. Right do you have a burner? Do you get a burner phone do you bring when you go overseas? You bring a real phone?

I wouldn't tell you. Bro, that phone is hearing everything we say. Yeah, for sure. For sure. What are we saying that we need to hide? I mean, there's some embarrassing things for sure. Like, you know. Drunk texts.

Drunk texts. Yeah, I mean, from the past. I'm some shit from the past. I'm so glad I grew up when I did. Oh my God, imagine if you were 15 with a phone that you take a picture of your dick. So somebody Somebody so there's like a hit piece on me fine great wonderful. I love you all set and write some more But this journal is found like some shit poetry. I wrote oh Right. I mean it when you were young. Yeah

Well, huh for hanging around with comedians, so it was was like late it might have been late 20s early 30s So it's not like there's not even an excuse that you're not that young it just sucked it just sucked Yeah and it and then I was just reading it because they they know how to get who is this article for Because for the person writing it they want to hate on you and it's clicks and you're popular So they want to hate on you by attacking your shitty poetry. It's just hilarious because like... Well they got you.

You gave them a little rope and they hung you with it. But like what I'm saying is that's not a big deal. The bigger deal is like if you grew up with that, so there's like shit you said when you're 14 or 15 or 16. Yeah, exactly. It's even the piece, you know, that stuff like the article, all that kind of stuff, you can even... I mean one of the big things we have to do stuff like the article all that kind of stuff you can even I mean one Of the big things we have to do is allow people to evolve and just say you know yeah, yeah, that was shit poetry

Well, I'm still horrible. I'm worse at poetry now, but like that was embarrassing that I would be publishing I think that these people that attack almost all of them are leftists, and I think leftism is a religion Just like being a Christian is a religion, in that there's like a way that you approach it. Mark Andreessen says it best. He was describing that it has all the attributes of a cult. And I think people have a default system in their mind, we all do, that we fall into, that gives us like a religious-like adherence to some ideas. And the thing that this cult is lacking, which is paramount to

Christianity, is forgiveness. There's no road to redemption. Everyone is ostracized and kicked out. And what you wind up doing is you wind up cannibalizing your own thing. You can never be left enough. There's always crazy people that are like far to the end of it. And every ideological group gets defined by its most extreme members. That's why when people think about like far-right people, who do you think are the worst people? You think of like people who want war, warmongers, assholes, you know, stupid people, uneducated. That's what people think of when they think of like the worst. They think of like white nationalists. Dormongers, assholes, you know, stupid people, uneducated.

That's what people think of when they think of like the worst. They think of like white nationalists. That's what they think of when they think of far right. So you can kind of like you flavor everything else in the group by the worst members of the group. And if you don't have forgiveness in your religion, like you have a fucking terrible religion. If you don't have a path to redemption and you want extreme adherence

to dogma, even if whatever this idea, this ideology that you're pushing is clearly, clearly destructive to a bunch of humans, that's what they're dealing with. It's like people fall into thought patterns, man. Most people are too busy to formalize their own opinions, so they develop opinions to sort of merge with the people that they're in touch with all the time. And if you get stuck in one of those fucking woke hives, like you're basically surrounded by mentally ill people that are preaching in a logical version of the world

that no one believes could ever exist. I hope there will be left-wing leaders that emerge that kind of shed that. I think they will have to just by virtue of their survival. I think the woke thing is so widely rejected now. And when I say the woke thing, I mean this, what Elon calls the mind virus, the crazy aspect of it. Like your kid knows it's trans

when it's two that kind of shit like the people that are just far off the rails that's going to die off it's just it's just too nutty and it doesn't make any sense and it's ultimately destructive to a lot of different groups of people and it's not fair it's like the the trans women in sports things the most unfair aspect of it that one that one's so crazy When you see people argue for it Inclusivity on like you're out of your fucking mind like you're out of your mind and the inability to discern who's a pervert and who's actually Trans like the impossible nature and then just green lighting perverts to do whatever they want and that You know my concern is I do think the the woke ism is either dying or dead

My concern is those folks who are now looking for a new religion. There's people like that on the right I think they're mostly rejected. No, there's a lot of people like that on the right the right has a woke right They have an attacking woke fucking they did they're not united There's there's an aspect of the right that attacks other people on the right They have an attacking, woke fucking... They're not united. There's an aspect of the right that attacks other people on the right. Especially now, because the right has more attention than ever before. There's always going to be a group in any sort of ideology. There's going to be a group of people that use the opportunity to attack people to elevate themselves.

Yeah, I think Mark Andreessen. What's going on? Five minutes. Five minutes. I think Mark Andreessen calls the battle, I think on the right maybe, between the techno-libertarians versus the nationalists. So there's these protectionist people that say

no more immigration, mass deport everybody, and then there's these people, which they align on a lot of ideas, these people that say we need to fucking build Yeah, mayor like they're both America first, but they just have a different flavor of that You know the Mark Andreessen's of the world probably are or at least Silicon Valley accepts immigration like we need to Right allow legal immigration of the best people in the world right and but the nationalist part of the right they're like no fuck that fuck you with your h1b fuck you with the yeah but we don't need anymore we need Merck yeah we don't need what is your take on the h1b thing cuz I I saw the argument and I was like wait a

minute what is it do you guys want labor? Are you trying to get like super skillful engineers from other places like what are we asking for here? I think as I understand h1b is just abused To get cheap labor. Yeah, but so he needs to be reformed I think the argument got really muddled right because everybody was looking at the worst aspects of h1b Which is a cheap labor, right? But there is an aspect and I think this there's an o1 visa There's different kinds of visas where like we need to get the bat the the best Baddest motherfuckers from the all the rest of the world and have them work here. Look at that, baby 353 to go look at it steaming

Look at all those carbons being emitted into the atmosphere by people who sell electric cars. You'd have to drive 100,000 fucking cars 24 hours a day for a year to get any of the release of carbon that that thing has. Here you go with your woke bullshit again. You'd have to drive my Chevelle until the universe died of heat death to get as much as you're gonna get off of this one rocket launch. Turns out you need a combustion engine to get off this. Do you think we do man? What do you think is going on

with the UAPs? Do you think these motherfuckers have some new shit? Well that's Eric Weinstein like you don't need to worry about the rockets you need to crack physics. Yeah. I think I think yeah. Weinstein has a very unusual theory involving that one university that has a completely overqualified physics department, it's also connected to a Stock broker or not a stock broker a financial thing What are those kind of things called? Well, they You know I'm talking about Jamie

Goddamnit What are those things called? You know what I'm talking about, Jamie? I need more. Keyword or something. God damn it. The point is. Think Tank? No, it's like some financial investment group that does better numbers. They do like birdie-Madoff numbers, like nutty numbers. What's that?

Venture Capital. Thank you. That's it. So this company is connected to this university. This company makes extraordinary amounts of money. This university has an insane physics department and like they're not publishing anything. And Eric's like, what are you guys doing? What the fuck are you doing? So he thinks that these motherfuckers branched off. He thinks that the the government probably got a bunch of like super top secret squirrel

type dudes. They're working on some high level shit and they branched off decades ago and that they've been working on this for a long time Of course the military often swoops in and wants that talent wants that technology wants those ideas, right? They're probably connected all Intertwined with the military because who's gonna build these things? Right, you need the Defense Department. You need defense contractors rather. You need like Raytheon. You need someone like that who knows how to make spaceships. Like make this fucking thing. You know, and they probably back engineered it all.

They probably found some crash things that are probably left here on purpose and like figure it out monkeys. And then know 1947 these dudes are fucking fumbling around and also they figure out fiber optics also then they figure out transistors also they like there's a bunch of weird shit that just kind of emerges after these crash sites that's what I like to believe yeah I kind of believe that I also believe that there's that they're they're not so focused on us. They're doing it here and everywhere else, too.

Like this is maybe I wouldn't be focused on us. I just feel like there's a lot a lot of tribes. I think I bet it takes a long time for it to get to the distance that our earth got from the sun where you can get liquid water. And it only lasts for a little while until it freezes again. Maybe if that's the case and they understand that then yes, then more specially. If you thought about like the way, let's just assume that the way life was created on Earth is the only way life is created anywhere in the universe. Let's assume that all those rules apply.

Let's assume that Terrence Howard's onto something. The peopling. The peopling. You would imagine that it would have to get where we are, where the water melts, where the ice melts. 17 seconds. And then life emerges from the sea like it did here, right? Doesn't that make sense? That that would happen everywhere? Oh Jesus. Wherever there's water. Here we go. 6, 5, 4, 3, 2, 1. Here it goes. That's a hundred million diesel trucks blowing coal. This is America baby. Look at that thing Holy shit, man, and that that thing is gonna get caught

bro, I Want a rocket I just decided I want a rocket. I need a rocket podcast some space. I want a rocket Look down. Alright, we're more than 30 seconds into flight. 30 seconds? 33 engines as it's pitching down range. Look how high that is in 30 seconds. Booster chip avionics power, telemetry nominal.

Bro. Is it going to snap off? I don't know. When it snaps off, where does it go? Bro! You're a good call out something. Is it gonna snap off? I don't know. You just heard the roots of the dead nests about six miles away. When it snaps off, where does it go? Watch the starship arc into just endless blue skies right now. They drop it in the ocean? No, it lands.

Oh, that's right. It gets caught. That's right, it's the Falcon. Yeah, it gets caught by these... ...arms. Yeah. I know, I was thinking about like the Saturn five I think was like a boost I forgot It actually can land which is even nuttier. It's nutty. It's

That this gigantic thing that's size of a skyscraper is gonna Just lands they just passed through the greatest stress the vehicles gonna experience going uphill speed is 2,000 kilometers an hour What the fuck? It keeps getting faster. Look how high it is huh? As they get away from the gravity of Earth look how it gets faster you fucking flat earth dorks. It gets easier and easier. I don't know looks flat from here. It does look flat they're right. Oh my god bro you believe this CGI? You really believe this is happening. You are a shill Watch the camera might go off for a little bit which will explain everything

Have you seen the guy who takes the flat earth people to Antarctica where they can see that the Sun's been around and like oh shit Well, you can go to Antarctica this done a nice wall. No Man, I like people that can change their mind in that way Let's see let's see if it lands This here in the corners like all the different boosters or something so it's 54 miles or 54 kilometers In the sky right now And it actually has I think satellites on boards it was I was active Turned them all off just slowed down

Stage separation So that fuckers gonna go land that's gonna go land That's so that's a building where does that take now like two minutes for it comes back down maybe three four more That is so fucking crazy It's gonna go land now Look at the earth it looks round Lex the lies the earth looks kind of round as motherfuckers me looks flat there. This is a new camera. This is definitely This is the real camera that's definitely fake. Oh, this is the real camera. That other one is bullshit.

Face looks kind of more around to me. That other one is a fish eye lens. There's no stars out there. Yeah, look at the fucking, where's the stars? This is bullshit. This is in a lab in Nevada. This is our go for booster return. This is a screen saver.

What is this? We are go for booster return. Wow. I think they have a payload of a satellite that they're testing and releasing. Bro, imagine what it feels like looking out the window and seeing that. The one on the right is going way faster now. It's humbling. It's almost to 6,000 kilometers an hour.

Oh my god. And the other one's heading back down. Still slowing down. Wow. Space station? what is that? Is that the space station is that what that is? I hope so. I don't know what she just said it. She just said it She just said it definitely UFO Is it possible they get that close to the space station like hey guys Yeah, I mean they're extremely precise about their flight trajectory

So you would would you ever fly on one of these How much how much would you how much would I need to pay you no no no no I'm already rich With that that's the one you anything yeah, I don't I don't have that expensive tastes Now I would love to find one of these flat That's so insane. Incredibly flat. Look at CGI bro.

What do you think would happen if you did send flat earthers up in that and they got to see, do you think they would believe how many of them are schizophrenic though? They'll think everything was a lie. And they got to see do you think they would believe what they were how many of them are schizophrenic though? Oh? They'll think everything was a lie like what percentage of the flat-earth community like the percentage of all communities It's like 1% that are schizophrenic right, but don't you think isn't it like across the board something like that? Yeah, so is not disparaging the flat-earth community. Yeah, I'm just saying well Can you be like schizophrenic like a higher percentage? Can you just be a little schizophrenic? You definitely can I know it dudes

Did you got a touch? They got a touch? Yeah a little bit just a touch I told the story once I was talking this comedian and I've known this guy forever. I thought he was totally normal And but he's always like odd and he starts showing me pictures on his phone of clouds he's like see that I go yeah it's gonna go through a cloud right now well it's a high-ass cloud 20 kilometers up wow for that that's so fucking cool how fucking cool is that this thing is gonna go land now gonna make a bet about if it's gonna catch. Oh, it's gonna catch All right. Yeah, I believe so too. Yeah. No, I wouldn't bet against it. That'll be an American

Yeah, what do you hate America? Look how cool that is, man? Wow, they're focusing on it now from a distance It just dropped fast now only three kilometers two kilometers above Bro, this is so insane This is amazing This is so insane so it has this it's controlling Look at the position while this is look at the tower coming in to catch it too. Oh my god Fuck yeah.

Fuck yeah. Wow. Holy shit man. That is so fucking badass. That is so nuts. That is exactly seven minutes from when it left. Seven minutes for the whole flight? Yeah.

Wow. That's a fucking building. Dude, you heard it here, Bexzilla has bought the booster. That is so dope. Look at the other ones. What is that? Climbing in speed 16,000 kilometers an hour. Oh my god.

140 kilometers away. Wow. New Glenn yesterday, Starship today. This is why I fucking love America. That's so incredible, dude. That's so incredible. Hey, the question is like how tall is that in reference to like a building isn't like a 20-story building or something crazy Before it took off right there. Yeah, wow it is

Look how much bigger it is than the Millennium Falcon I like how they- He compares it to the Millennium Falcon How fucking amazing is that? What's the other one? Is that Blue Origin? He compares it to the Millennium Falcon. How fucking amazing is that? What's the other one? Is that Blue Origin? That's a different SpaceX.

Oh, that's another SpaceX one? It's bigger than the Blue Origin rocket by quite a bit. I think it's the biggest rocket ever made. 123 meters. Yeah, and that part right here, halfway, that's what came back. Right. So that's gotta be... I mean, do you think it's... It looks higher than half how many floors of like yeah, it's gotta be 70 meters. That's so crazy

That's so big Yeah, it's like 33 Raptor engines, so just the raw power Just just even one of those engines is like you ever see it live. It's incredible It's so much cooler watching it actually happen live than it is watching a video yeah when you watch a video you're like yeah that's cool but like we didn't know what was gonna happen yeah that's the cool thing about live yeah fuck yeah that was awesome that was fun let's end with that we're in another positive note American ingenuity baby let's go on earth good wood all love you brother love you too

man Peace on earth. Good wood to all. Love you brother. Love you too man. Bye. Bye brother.