The Joe Rogan Experience - #2267 - Dan Richards

Starting point is 00:00:00 The Joe Rogan Experience. Trained by day, Joe Rogan podcast by night, all day. What's happening? Good to see you again, man. Good to see you too, Joe. Thanks for the invite. Oh, my pleasure. Thanks for coming on here, man.

Starting point is 00:00:19 I really enjoy your videos. Your website, your channel rather on YouTube, DEDUNKING, is really great because it's so obvious. It's one of those things where you don't need some big crazy set or high production values to make something interesting. It's just you with a bookshelf behind you talking about stuff and it's great. Well thanks, I appreciate that Joey. I'm very

Starting point is 00:00:45 passionate about this stuff so it's I'm glad that people are taking notice and that I'm sitting here talking to you right now but it's crazy to me. Well you were one of the you like me were one of the early readers of Fingerprints of the Gods and that's sort of how you got into this whole subject right? Yes I actually had that one pre-ordered from Hastings because I'd read the sign in the seal. Oh, okay. And so I was already like, Graham Hancock's pretty cool.

Starting point is 00:01:11 I like the way he's coming at these things. And I saw that there was that thing at Hastings to pre-order Fingerprints of the Gods for like 25 bucks or something. You get like $3 off. And so I did and was reading it cover to cover when I had Graham sign it and him and Santa both were just looking at how beat the hell it is right because he'd been in a construction truck we're going job sites for like 20 years but that's awesome um so the sign of the seal was that about Ethiopia and the Ark of the Covenant yeah what's your take on all

Starting point is 00:01:40 that it's interesting anytime they won't let you see the evidence I get like my all of my alarm bells go off right right? Right. But I understand why they wouldn't want you to see it if it really is the arc. I'd like to see I guess the best thing we could do to test it without seeing the arc would be to look into the claims that these guys go blind and they show signs of radiation. Let's explain to everybody what the claim that they believe that this one church in Ethiopia actually possesses the Ark of the Covenant and that these priests that are supposedly guarding this, they all exhibit signs of radiation poisoning. Yes, they all just exhibit signs of radiation poisoning. They go blind, they die quickly and then somebody else and one priest at a time is allowed to be like the caretaker of

Starting point is 00:02:24 the Ark. And how long do they live? is allowed to be like the caretaker of the ark And how long do they live? They want to say like a couple years something like that. I can't really it's been a without very long Yeah, they die pretty quick. Imagine that job. Yeah, you get that call How much do I love Jesus Kind of fucking crazy, yeah, and it's uh, but there's a lot of evidence in that book that was really interesting like the Knights Templar statues and stuff and in old old Paris Cathedrals that would lead Graham to to Ethiopia just all kinds of weird stuff that made it really interesting little

Starting point is 00:03:03 Ethiopia, just all kinds of weird stuff that made it really interesting. Little Indiana Jones, man. It's like real life kind of Indiana Jones shit. And so I was just anxious for that fingerprint. Well, something that has that much radiation that kills people so quickly, wouldn't that be something that you could measure from outside of the church? You would think that our boys would be all over that shit with the satellites and be like, yeah, that's a spot to watch out right send a team right right because that was one of the speculations about the New Jersey drones Which was really weird was that there was a legally this is part of speculation allegedly. There was a warhead that was missing

Starting point is 00:03:40 from when What was it from Ukraine? from when What was it from Ukraine? I Think it was from like quite a while ago so there was a warhead that was not accounted for a nuclear warhead and the thought was that somehow or another it had gotten snuck into the United States and These drones had the capability to scan for gamma radiation and that they were looking for excess

Starting point is 00:04:06 gamma radiation which would indicate that this thing was there. That would make sense. I saw that on Twitter. I saw a few guys talking about it. It would definitely make sense. It's weird that the drones just kind of stopped around Christmas time. Well, not only did they stop, but there was also this... I hesitate to even talk about this because so much of this is horse shit.

Starting point is 00:04:27 But there was a lot of speculation on Twitter that there was something that broke up in the atmosphere and the conspiracy was that this was a Chinese satellite that was controlling those drones. And then the Trump administration recently said, no, they are our drones. I mean Okay, why wouldn't you fucking tell us if they were our drones? You're just flying a bunch of SUV sized drones over New Jersey for weeks at a time Yeah had to be some reason yeah, what was going on and how you know I get you know I get you can't tell us everything I get it

Starting point is 00:05:03 It was weird. They they do they just stopped at the Christmas time I was kind of worried about that because I went to see Mark Agnon in in Brooklyn I just was there last week and I was like man I hope I don't see a bunch of dang drones in the sky and stuff still but because I've had that booked out for a Couple months, but yeah, my friend Mark saw one Mark Norman. He saw one. He said it was huge Really? He said was really big and it moved really fast and he said it had propellers But it didn't sound like a regular like helicopter. said it was huge. Really? He said it was really big and it moved really fast. And he said it had propellers, but it didn't sound like a regular like helicopter. So it was real weird.

Starting point is 00:05:29 I saw a lot of videos of them and I saw a few guys talking about them that seemed somewhat credible on Twitter. But I didn't see that like guys that had talked about being weapons developers and stuff like that. But yeah, it's so easy nowadays to just bullshit your way through things and there's money in it, right? You get clicks. So it's like there's the days of it needing to be a government conspiracy in my mind are

Starting point is 00:05:51 like way long gone. If I pretend I see Bigfoot and I fake it good enough to get on Joe Rogan, well man, I'm doing pretty fucking good now, ain't I? Yeah, you can make some money. Exactly. So I- That is a real problem. I'm really skeptical of like everybody nowadays. Treat them all like crackheads. I am too. And I like that about your channel that you are quite skeptical about a lot of things, even

Starting point is 00:06:13 things that the people that are heretics of the archaeological world, they subscribe to and you're like, eh, not so fast, which I think is great. I think it's very important but getting back to the Ethiopia thing If they we have this capability supposedly to scan for gamma radiation from the sky Why wouldn't someone fly over that church and go? Yo, there's a crazy hotspot here You would think probably somebody has if not like Like like I was saying with the satellites in all honesty the the feds monitor that kind of shit like heavily and so I mean if it's possible that it wouldn't be you know any kind of weapons grady stuff so they might just not be looking for that particularly

Starting point is 00:06:54 can they monitor for gamma radiation from satellites I'm not sure I know that they can look for I know they can look for I'm not sure how they detect I'm not sure what they used to detect it but I know that they can look for, I'm not sure how they detect it, I'm not sure what they used to detect it, but I know that they can look for radioactive material from space. So the thought is that if this arc of the covenant is there and whatever it is, is somehow radioactive. Is there any sort of theory as to how they develop some sort of radioactive thing?

Starting point is 00:07:25 Like, what is it supposed to be? I mean, it's not a reactor, it's in a box, right? Like, what is it? Well, this episode is brought to you by BetterHelp. People like to throw around all these red flags, you know, things someone says or does that you don't like, which is fine. But instead of focusing on the negative all the time,

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Starting point is 00:08:50 That's BetterHelp, H-E-L-P dot com slash JRE. The theory that a lot of people have is that it's a weapon that like in the Bible it's described like shooting lightning and things like that. Right. And what Graham mentions in the the Bible it's described like shooting lightning and things like that. And what Graham mentions in the book, it's an interesting point, is the Bible records Moses going up to Mount Sinai, coming down with the Ten Commandments, getting mad at the Israelites worshipping a golden calf, and he breaks the Ten Commandments and then goes back up the mountain and comes back down after another week or so with the Ten Commandments again. And Graham points out that this could be a memory

Starting point is 00:09:27 of him going up and getting the wrong stone and then damn it smashes it goes back and finds the right stone that he's looking for that it had the proper you know uranium rich or whatever speculative radiation stuff. So but inside of the box the popular theory is is, you know, if you got metal, wood, metal, like a transformer, and so the popular theory is it's a way to generate electricity, and it would also describe like the way that guys in the Bible are, if they touch it, they have to carry it with sticks, and if they touch it even to steady it, they get killed and stuff. But I honestly, I don't

Starting point is 00:10:02 see it being a transformer, that wood metal, metal or metal wood metal thing has to be stacked You're not just getting it with one layer like the Bible describes but It's an interesting thing you say it has to be stacked. It means spaced in between each layer Yeah, like if you've ever seen a doorbell transformer, no, okay Transformers at the bottom of it will have multiple plates It'll be like a plate of metal and then a plate of silicone or something like that, conductive non-conductive, conductive non-conductive,

Starting point is 00:10:30 and there'll be multiples of those. And this is part of the electromagnetic changing of the, because what a transformer does is it steps electricity up or down and swaps voltage for amperage basically. So the metal plates are part of it. So the idea is that this thing would collect electricity inside the box and then the Israelites would use it to throw lightning at the enemies. Now there's still a lot of speculation as to how the box would work, but Moses was also said to, after going up and seeing God, he was said to have had to cover his face with a cloth for the rest of his life because it was shown. And Graham speculated in that book that it might be because of radiation sickness or something. His face was covered in sores for the rest of his life. So it is interesting. So if this thing is radioactive, like how would that conduct electricity? No idea. It would probably be if it was it it maybe it's the power source like we have radioactive batteries on satellites and shit, right and

Starting point is 00:11:40 They convert that radiation into electricity. So it's possible. I mean that's I'm you know I'm not really too like big on the ancient high technology but I'm always willing to speculate and look at the angles on it and that's that's basically where They come from on the guys that are really big into the arc Some guys even will will claim that it's a capacitor like full-on Capacitor which a capacitor stores and discharges electricity. It's why we were told not to When you don't touch the tube on your TV when we were kids right because it'll zap you the capacitor old yes I watched a friend of mine working on an arcade machine once and one of the

Starting point is 00:12:15 leads popped off of the thing and he was bald and it tapped to a topic and laid his ass right out wow straight to the to the ground. Oh shit, you okay? Wow. But anyway, yeah, that's what a capacitor is. So some guys believe, like Billy Carson, would say that the Ark of the Covenant would fit inside of the sarcophagus of the King's chamber, which it doesn't, and that it's a capacitor to power the pyramid. So it doesn't, how do you know that it doesn't? Well, the Bible has the specifications for the size of the Ark of the Covenant and they're not the same as the...

Starting point is 00:12:50 How different are they? Considerably. Is it larger or smaller? The Ark is larger. Oh, it's larger than... Quite a bit larger. Oh, really? Well, on the inside of the sarcophagus.

Starting point is 00:12:58 Have you ever seen the one that Donald Trump has at Mar-a-Lago? No. He has a recreation of the Ark of the Covenant at Mar-a-Lago. No shit? Yeah, yeah Yeah It doesn't look bigger than the the reason why I said it doesn't look bigger than the sarcophagus Maybe I need to look at it. There's a possibility that I'm wrong there But I know I know that the measurements are off by enough that it was like this isn't just a little

Starting point is 00:13:20 Mix and match this was it's way off I feel like we should have a recreation of the Ark of the Covenant here. You probably should I probably there's no reason Jamie, can you pull up that one? It was it visiting? the Mar-a-Lago But it's pretty dope man, it's like Indiana Jones type dope nice. It's really cool. It looks awesome But if that's real and these guys are just guarding it and dying of radiation poison, like hey, get some fucking better leadership and let the world know. I mean, if you really want people to believe in God and the Bible, what better way than

Starting point is 00:13:54 to say not only is the Ark of the Covenant real, but we have it here at this church in Ethiopia and we've been suffering for the past X hundred years. I mean, how many priests have died? I don't know. I have no idea. That would be a good thing to know. Well this would be, I mean this was supposed, the ark was supposed to have been brought there by Sheba, the queen of Sheba's son Menelik. So you're talking thousands of years. So Ethiopia has a lot of, here it goes, that's it. Oh damn. That's the one that was a

Starting point is 00:14:25 Trump's replica oh that's not the one no no it is it is the one well who knows right no one's seen it right but that's what I meant the one that's at Mar-a-Lago there's photos of it at Mar-a-Lago see that looks like that would fit inside the sarcophagus doesn't it scroll up a little so I guess yeah Yeah, maybe maybe I was wrong about that, but I do know for the handles I do know that the measurements are off Drastically, it's not it's not just an inch or two. It's enough that you're not Sliding one. Can you show a photo of it at Mar-a-Lago? I Know we pulled it up at one point in time

Starting point is 00:15:04 Because when these folks are standing around next to it, yeah, they're far left. Yeah, see yeah See that looks like it would fit in there. It does look like it would But yeah, if you look up the measurements, I wish that I don't don't have them off the top of my head But yeah, they're dead they are the Kings chamber yet if the the sarcophagus in the Kings chamber and the Ark of the Covenant are Yes, I mean I feel like we should send the green berets into that church like oh yeah, there's no guys Tell us the fuck

Starting point is 00:15:38 Enough of this enough hiding you this is like if you have that that is That's something for the whole human race to know that's not something for you to hide That's not yours to covet. No wrong. No, but but if they've been hiding it forever, and it's a religious Icon and they're like they keepers of it or whatever. I'm gonna make the sarcophagus isn't the King's chair Yeah, I think That thing's, that's crazy. The King's Chamber itself is so bananas. The whole thing, like why? What did you do?

Starting point is 00:16:12 Why'd you do it this way? How'd you have the resources? How'd you get those stones that are that big up so high? Oh man, there's so much, there's so much about the pyramids in general that are just so hard to even, like the, I'd mentioned a little bit last time we talked the squaring of it is so it's like 756 feet long and there's like two to three inch variation on on at the most so you're you're talking like thousands of a percent on this massive thing and then if you just stretch a rope from one end of this table to the other and hold it tight

Starting point is 00:16:41 it's going to sag a little you're're 756 feet, you're not getting a two inch accurate measurement with a rope. You have to use something different. Yeah. So what are you using? Yeah, exactly. What are you using? How are you using it? How do you get 2,300,000 stones all placed within 20 years? The 20 years. Yeah, the 20 year thing is not that throw that one out because that's that's that's the cynical side of things That's where they are. We have to stick to what we know what we believe It's like just a couple of pharaohs before that guy built three pyramids So you can't just say well these guys were only building them each generation for tombs

Starting point is 00:17:19 It's it seems to me like it's a multi generational project if that's if these guys were the ones that built them like like the historians say it seems to me like it's a multi generational project if that's if these guys were the ones that built them like like the historians say it seems to me like Every generation was working on three. I'm I break ground on my grandson's I'm getting my sons going and I'm finishing mine every generation was probably doing that because he's took a hundred years to build man They're huge. Yeah, the only explanation outside of that. It was some lost technology. Yes The only explanation outside of that was some lost technology. Yes. That's the only explanation.

Starting point is 00:17:46 The problem with the lost technology thing is where's the tools? Like what would you use? There is some evidence that there's some sophisticated cutting methods, the coring, the drills that indicate like a very high speed drill, which is interesting. So it's not just as simple as you know getting some tube and slowly working its way through. The way it's cut into some of the granite indicates that it was done at a high speed so the question is like how, what, what was the material, where is it, what happened to it? And you like the the argument of

Starting point is 00:18:20 course would be this is the kind of stuff that we get looted right away right? If you watch Mad Max and they're not running around picking up bottle caps or picking up the stuff you can use but on the flip side of that the you know the evidence you know if you look at any one of your videos or mine that are about the pyramid you're gonna have thousands of comments of people that are like here's my theory on the pyramid and most of of these are pretty mundane. Most of these are, I think they might have used water to, I think, we kind of need to exhaust, in my mind, we kind of need to exhaust all that mundane shit that people can throw at this problem

Starting point is 00:18:54 before we really can start saying, okay, now let's just step outside of history and speculate harder. I'm willing to entertain the things, but if you really want to find out what happened in my mind, you kind of have to be more grounded with it. That's how I look at it. Well, I think if we're looking at a linear timeline between the technology that was available

Starting point is 00:19:13 to people, say 15,000 years ago and today, then yeah, then you have to look at it in a more mundane way because obviously they didn't have electricity then. You're thinking obviously they didn't have diamond tip cutting tools that were made out of like some super titanium or whatever the fuck the alloy was. But if we're looking at lost technology and if we're looking at the possibility of, you know, when you get into Graham Hancock stuff, specifically the Younger Dryas Impact Theory, which I'm always fascinated by both the people that fully support it and the people that fully dismiss it. Both of those things are

Starting point is 00:19:51 interesting to me because you don't know. Just stop. Just stop. Thank you. Thank you. That's so accurate right there. Shut your hole. We're all just guessing. We're guessing but we're all looking at some really interesting stuff, right? We're looking at the iridium. We're looking at the microdiamonds, the nanodiamonds. We're looking at the... Black mat. Yeah. Do you know about my friend John Reeves up in Alaska,

Starting point is 00:20:14 the bone yard in Alaska? No, I don't. John Reeves, he actually, he found this. This was actually sawed. This isn't, that's an ancient mammoth bone. The piece that was cut out was how it was carbon dated. And I forget what the carbon date it was. It wasn't that extraordinary. Hundreds of years, I think, right? It was only hundreds of years, right? Or maybe a couple thousand. I forget what it was. But the fact that it

Starting point is 00:20:39 was sawed at the top is very interesting because they were trying to... some of the bones they've dated to tens of thousands of years, including animals that they've found bones of that weren't even supposed to be in this area. So he has a very small piece of land, he has an enormous piece of land, but a small piece of it, I think it's only about six acres, where they're finding an enormous number of woolly mammoth bones. Short-faced bear, all these different lions, and all these different animals that some of them they didn't even think were in Alaska 10-15 thousand years ago. And there's also a thick layer of dark carbon that indicates that like something happened. Like there was some sort of massive burn. And the theory is that there was an enormous flood and that this was a basin where a lot

Starting point is 00:21:29 of these animals that died got washed into and then covered. So they have this wall that is essentially permafrost and they hose it down. They do it all the time and then they see a mammoth tusk and then they slowly work their way out. But he has where, go to his Instagram page John was about he's every year he's our last guest but this year he got pneumonia so we had a delay him until recently but this is all stuff that they find he's a gold miner so this is all stuff that they find incident on his property what started out incidentally

Starting point is 00:22:04 and now they search for it. But there's John right there in the middle with the baseball hat on. So he, the big guy right there, he's a giant human. So, I mean, you got to see him in real life. He's huge. But this area that he has is extraordinary because he's got enormous, see, that's how they hose it all down. So he's set up this multi-million dollar research facility out there He's got huge warehouses store and thousands and thousands of these bones Well, and it's just in a six acre area and then there's another additional area That's a similar size so that you can see one of the bones one of the tusks sticking out

Starting point is 00:22:40 But he gave us that a step bison skull that's in the lobby. I don't know if you saw that. That's 10,000 years old. Wow. Yeah. Yeah. And so he's got a bunch of me pulls them out left and right. See if you can find like some of the bins that he has. He's got these enormous, like, look, look at all those mammoth tusks. Holy just stacks of them. Yeah. A ton of them. And they're all over the place. I mean his his property is really really extraordinary. Wow. But it's all his. Yeah. So he's like hey fuck off. Yeah. Like I'm just gonna dig this stuff up myself. I don't want anybody coming in lying and bullshitting and controlling the area. It's on all on

Starting point is 00:23:20 private land so I'm just gonna keep pulling the stuff out of there and hiring people to come in and do some research on it. Look at all these bones I found. Isn't that insane? That's wild. So that's the theory. The theory is that this was an area where a lot of these animals that died probably instantaneously by the impact got washed into. Okay, I could see that. I mean he has a lot of fucking bones there. You're only getting a tiny fraction of it. If you actually see it, see, Jamie, see if you can find one of the images of his warehouses, like from like, there's some overhead views, the warehouses, they're huge. And they're

Starting point is 00:23:57 just filled with bones. And he pulls them out every day. Like, whenever they want, they go down, they hose down the permafrost. And because it's in the permafrost. It's all preserved Yeah, wow, that's what I was just thinking is permafrost is preserved real. Well. Yeah. Yeah, so these are just Yeah, but these are all storage bins. Yeah, they have filled with bones. I mean, it's pretty extraordinary That is wild. Yeah, that's it's sad that he doesn't want to bring the scientists in but I can understand why it's you know, it's The way that things are nowadays. It's he doesn't trust him exactly A lot of people don't and he wanted to come on here to like spread it out to the world One of the things that he found out was that they dumped the previous owners of his property before he owned it

Starting point is 00:24:42 The what what museum was it again jimmy american national history museum in new york city had acquired some of the bones they had so much of them that they dumped some of the in the east river now they denied it so he sent divers out to the exact spot in the east river and they start pulling up step bison bones and all these different

Starting point is 00:25:02 like wow ancient ancient animal bones from this exact area where they said to look for it. So it's pretty much been confirmed that it's true and he does know that they have some of them still and they won't release them to him. So until they release the bones to him that are rightfully his, he's like, fuck off, you can't come here. I can understand that. But his spot, in my opinion, is one of the best indicators that there was a mass casualty event

Starting point is 00:25:25 There was some sort of a huge catastrophe that took place that killed all of these animals Now we know that humans were around back then the question was how sophisticated were they and this is where it all gets So weird, you know Because I've been following this forever and ever and ever And I was following it long before they discovered Gobekli Tepe. And so the question was that the archaeologists would always, the really arrogant archaeologists, would always throw in the faces of these heretics. They would say, well, if this is true, where's the evidence of this ancient civilization that was so sophisticated that can make massive stone structures 10,000 years ago? There is no evidence.

Starting point is 00:26:02 Yep. Well, now there is. Yeah. So now they have to kind of look at it and go, well, okay, we're wrong about that. But we're still, we know 2,500 BC maximum, that's how old the pyramids are. They don't, they don't. A lot of the scientists, most of the scientists are actually scientists. But the ones that we end up seeing are the ones that are invested in Creating the narrative they're the ones that they want to make sure that pseudo Archaeology and pseudoscience is always on its back foot and never gets a fair day in court and blah blah blah

Starting point is 00:26:41 These guys they don't they don't give us any real accurate interpretation of the data They'll step way outside of their lane to tell you what's going on. You mean like Flint Dibble? I mean exactly like Flint Dibble. Well, you were the guy that broke down what he was inaccurate about when he was having that air quotes debate with Graham Hancock. Yeah, it's all very unfortunate because what he does know is really interesting. All that stuff about ancient seeds and stuff and how they they change over the time and you know how you can tell whether a seed is domesticated versus whether it's feral. Yeah, oh yeah, he's good at what he does, at least as far as that stuff goes. But like there was another, there's a guy that's a trained anthropologist that made a couple of videos about him, Sam Urban from Illegit scholar and he I think Graham mentioned him here before he he's a he specialized in underwater shipwrecks and he just

Starting point is 00:27:32 blasted the stuff that Flint said not just the three million shipwreck he just blasted on a scientific level this is wrong this is wrong this is wrong this is wrong yeah he got way out of his lane with that yeah and that's you know I that's I guess one of the biggest things here though. You know, those guys right now are laughing well You're an electrician Dan. You're outside your lane every time you talk about this shit, but you're outside your lane I'm outside my lane, but I'm not talking about people getting beat up or cracking jokes. Yeah Well, only you would have a painting of you busting Shane Gillis's ass Every time he posts that picture he's like like, I had a great time on JRE.

Starting point is 00:28:09 I'm like, man, I seen that on, that's a, that's a beautiful work of art, right? It's very pretty. Very pretty. Good painting. Yeah. So we're all out of our lanes. It's with something. Every person who's an expert is out of their lanes with a lot of things.

Starting point is 00:28:20 But there's a difference. And this is like what you alluded to it a minute ago, where it's like like there's a difference between saying we know for a fact and we're not sure Yeah, and you know a common atheist argument if you talk like Richard Dawkins He'll say the minute that a scientist says God did it. They're not worth a fuck to me in the lab because they're not working anymore They're like I've got the answer But that's the same thing as the science is settled if you say the science is done. We know for a fact You're not can't say that you're no longer worth the fuck to me in the lab science is not. If you say the science is done, we know for a fact. You're not. You can't say that.

Starting point is 00:28:45 You're no longer worth the fuck to me in the lab. Science is not settled when you don't have all the information in the universe. Exactly, since we never will. Yeah, well maybe we will. Yeah. It's a big weekend. Get in on the action of the big game and UFC 312

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Starting point is 00:30:43 not just of what they could do back then, but of what people could ever do, including right now. Yeah. And there's a lot to be said like that you can't see about ancient Egypt. That's amazing. Like, you know, the Bronze Age collapse, you've heard of that, right? And the sea peoples, Egypt was like the big power that survived, like all these other big powers, they were destroyed, they were crushed, they lost everything. Now, Egypt got smaller, but it survived. Like all these other big powers, they were destroyed, they were crushed, they lost everything. Now Egypt got smaller, but it survived. It wasn't until the Greeks came along that it was, I mean, they'd been conquered off and on, but it wasn't until the Greeks came along that they were truly subjugated. And that's thousands and

Starting point is 00:31:15 thousands and thousands of years. And by the time the Greeks showed up, that shit was so old that you look on the Osirion, they say that there's graffiti that's like the sacred geometry shit That was hermeticism that was popular in Greece So they're seeing hermeticist stuff when the sacred geometry on it and that's like, you know thousands of years later there's there's Their minds are blown the same as their arts are today Wow, and that's that's really fucked when you think about Alexander the Great going there and tripping balls That's crazy, man One of my favorite quotes is that Cleopatra was born closer to the age of the iPhone?

Starting point is 00:31:51 Than she was to the construction of the pyramids. Yes, that's when you think about it that way you like wait what what? for real like That's just the conventional dating. Yeah age of the pyramid, which is much discussed and debated. They have become very much debated. And probably should be. It really probably should be. I know people want to point to carbon dating, but the problem with that is that we know

Starting point is 00:32:15 that people resurface things and they do touch-ups. In fact, they're doing touch-ups right now ill-advised, in my opinion, on the base of the Sphinx, where they've covered the feet. I think that's horrible. It's terrible. I should have airdropped this to Jamie. I'll send it to him in a second. There's a image that I've got of that I was just sent to me that's pretty amazing. There's a wall of one of the magazines in one of the pyramids that has a bunch of those vases in it. And this wall is like collapsed. And the magazine is the name for a room.

Starting point is 00:32:52 Anyway, they reconstructed this room, they reconstructed the wall. And it's got a piece of one of those vases in the fucking wall, like right in the rubble that makes up the wall. And I could not, I just, I don't even have it saved I'm sorry let me grab it real fast sorry I should have done this you're one of those dudes use a tiny little phone look at that little thing is that the iPhone mini or is that the se years oh yeah the se I think something like that how long is the battery left with that 20 minutes 14 20 minutes is about 30 extra.

Starting point is 00:33:27 My son actually, he wanted an iPhone so bad. I got him an iPhone, had it for two years, and he's like, can I please have an Android? I'm so tired of having to charge my phone twice a day at school. Well, the new iPhones last forever. The new iPhones. Well, I think the Samsung Galaxy S25 Ultra and the X24 Ultra have the longest battery life in comparison to iPhone Like, you know, they do those tests where they play like the Avengers and they'll play it Like non-stop on a loop to see which battery dies out quicker. Oh, yeah the androids last longer Well, it's not but not by much like you have to be a total psycho to go. I haven't I have an Android I have a be a total psycho. I have an Android, I have a Galaxy S24 Ultra, and I have an iPhone. I've never had one of them run out of batteries. If you charge it in the morning, you have

Starting point is 00:34:11 to be a total psycho to have it have no battery life at the end of the day. You should go to a doctor. You have a real phone addiction. The only time I ever had that problem recently was when I went to the Met. I went to the Met Museum in New York and that was I burnt I'd never I was blown away by the artifacts and stuff and ended up like basically burning my phone into the ground. Just taking pictures? Yeah you got a dead battery son. Yeah it's kind of amazing that batteries work at all which one of the things I wanted to bring up to you was the Baghdad battery. Yeah. Do you think that's real? amazing that batteries work at all, which one of the things I wanted to bring up to you was the Baghdad battery.

Starting point is 00:34:47 Yeah. Do you think that's real? Was that what that was? Or is there some debate? Let's tell people what it is. It's a clay pot. There's a number of them. They're clay vessels.

Starting point is 00:34:59 They have a copper and lead inside of them. And the way that the cap is and stuff, you could potentially fill them with orange juice or something like that, a minor acid, and get an electric charge from it. Now it wouldn't be much of one, but you could do it. And that's, something that's worth noting right there is that you can, this has been,

Starting point is 00:35:18 archeologists have determined that, well yeah, I mean, we don't like to admit it, but yes, these potentially could have been batteries. So, like there was a guy that do a debunking on it That's an arc a popular youtuber and another archaeologist came around and then kind of slapped him around a little bit He had to admit he's like, okay. Yeah, I didn't do my research good. So this is the Baghdad battery Yes, what is the conventional explanation for what these things are? the conventional explanation is

Starting point is 00:35:42 explanation for what these things are? The conventional explanation is that they're pots. They really don't have like a good solid debunking of it, like despite what it says there on the screen. But because of what, I mean this is not speculative, right? Because of what the actual materials are, if you filled it with a minor acid, it would conduct electricity. Yes, yes. So it does work. Yeah, it wouldn't make a lot, but it would make a little. Like how much is a little?

Starting point is 00:36:12 Like enough to power a toothbrush? I don't think that much, but I know that the reports anyway was that a guy was able to make a very minor electroplating with it. And that would be the kind of thing that would be most likely applications because other stuff requires serious. So like plating things with gold and stuff like that. Interesting. So the real the craziest theory of all for sure is the Christopher Dunn. The Christopher Dunn theory about the actual pyramid itself he believes it's a massive power plant and he believed

Starting point is 00:36:45 that they were using some sort of chemicals and a certain frequency, like vibration to generate hydrogen with all the chambers and all. And you know, the way he describes it, it sounds very compelling because there's, I don't know what he's talking about. He might, he might be making it all up, right? So the way he's saying it sounds so interesting. I've never heard anybody try to break down whether or not what he's saying makes sense though. Well, now I like Chris. I get along with him well.

Starting point is 00:37:11 I talk to him on the phone probably a couple times a month. He's, and he knows that I disagree with him. The thing that right off the bat, as an electrician, the first thing that stands out to me is the claim of getting piezoelectricity from the blocks which piezo electricity is the electricity you get from like a quartz crystal when you stress it so like your watch or a charcoal igniter for a grill right you

Starting point is 00:37:36 just there's a the igniter is just a piece of quartz that they pop it with a little spring and a stick when you pop it and it's got a piece of metal on each side and wires and that harnesses the charge. That's the first thing is each one of the quartz crystals in those big limestone blocks would have to have a piece of metal around it and wires coming off of it or some way of harnessing the electricity. There's tons of natural electricity happens all the time, right? But you have to harness it in order to do something with it. Is this just our understanding of how to use electricity?

Starting point is 00:38:08 And could there potentially be something that we missed? There's definitely stuff we don't know about electricity. I mean, we'll start there. There's clearly things we don't know about. We still have guys working on the shit all the time, and they're making better and better semiconductors and whatnot all the time. But having said that, maybe but at that point, we're kind of like, my thinking on that is, is if we're going to say this is a technological thing, and here's the way we get there. And then it's

Starting point is 00:38:37 like, well, but we can't really do this. Well, couldn't it be something else? Well, at that point, why say that this is why build a technological story from what we have? Why not just make shit up? Also it's like what came first the chicken or the egg? Because if you have the technology to turn that thing into a gigantic electrical generator, where did you get the technology to build it? Yeah. Like what do you use if this is the first one if you figure so that means you made more of these to make electricity or some other form of power. You did something. And that's what to me is so amazing about this, that no one can really look at it and

Starting point is 00:39:16 go, oh, this is simple. No, no. Even if you just, it's a tomb, it's a tomb alone, even those guys have to admit that it's not simple. But when you look at it from a potentially technological angle, I mean, Chris had put a lot of work into his theory. It's not, and it is intricate, and he's a very intelligent person. He is really, he's so smart that when I talk to him, I feel like I'm talking to a guy a bit smarter than

Starting point is 00:39:45 me right yeah he's intelligent but I don't agree with him on some of these things and that's really I think that's one of the reasons he likes me is because I'll be chill about it just be like yeah you're fucking charlatan yeah that's a really important point and that's one of the things that I really do enjoy about your videos when you disagree about something you're very cordial about it I think think that's important because, you know, I've talked about this many times, but it's a real flaw with human beings. We attach ourselves to ideas and we defend those ideas as if we're defending our worth as people.

Starting point is 00:40:15 And it's stupid. And if you're wrong about something, it's just information. It should just be an idea. It shows far more about your flaws if you're willing to defend ideas that are clearly inaccurate. I couldn't agree with you more there. Thanks for the compliment, by the way. But yeah, I couldn't agree with you more there. It's a complete mess. And especially when it's science. That's where archaeology really can piss me off because these guys, there's

Starting point is 00:40:42 a lot of it that's just made up stuff right it's it's one thing to say um we know for a fact this was carbon dated to x and blah so another thing to say this looks like that therefore it's this that I mean that's the same the guys say that about all kinds of shit right oh here's these stones look like pillows ergo they must be concrete well it's like here Jamie could you show that stupid image what the anime face on it I'm using this one to drive that point home that the pareidolia is not just because it looks like something does not fucking mean that the pareidolia yeah it's what pareidolia is when you see sees something in the clouds or whatever okay just because something looks like something doesn't

Starting point is 00:41:19 mean that this is the way to sus what a fucking ancient artifact is oh this one is the image of the the eyes of is the eyes of Horus is that what that is? Yeah, and then so there's a lot of weird speculation as to what that means, right? And some people think it means the pineal gland. Yeah, there's a lot of Speculation about that agreed but we my point is obviously we can't just assume that oh well because it looks like some Anime girl, it's they would be ancient Egyptian of course we're ancient Egyptian squirrel. One of the best ones is that the image of someone holding up something that either is a basket or looks like some sort of frequencies are emanating from some device. Yeah that one's interesting. Yeah

Starting point is 00:41:57 like maybe it's a basket it doesn't look like a basket though it looks looks like something you're trying to indicate something. Yeah it does it't look like a basket though. It looks like you're trying to indicate something. Yeah, it does look like they're trying to at the very least. And there's the other ones with the long, phallus looking tubes that seem to be some sort of energy source or something. And a lot of them have that pyramid shape on their crotch, right? Just like this big straight, and it doesn't look phallic, but it but it implies almost like it's just like it's symbolism for something, right? Those long tube ones see if you could find those. How would you describe that? Like if he's gonna search for it? Energy emanating from the day

Starting point is 00:42:40 This is one of the hardest things about this is trying to find BAM he found it Oh damn Oh, but then there are lights. That's yes derp. Yeah, so like what the hell is that? That's yeah There is a some people think it's that then that's an actual light bulb. That's a bong to the left Some people think that that's it That's a light bulb. Well, like what is that supposed to be? What the hell is that supposed to be? There's it looks like a serpent inside of it. The mainstream thing is that it's like a symbol of life and like that's the, I forget which plant that is.

Starting point is 00:43:14 What's that thing above it too? What are those little, yeah, what the hell is that? It looks like writing of some sort, but I'm not sure what it says. That's one of my main hopes for AI, that AI will get so sophisticated that it can start deciphering these things in a more meaningful way, in a way where you could use these large language models. If we get some... They have the Rosetta Stone, and the Rosetta Stone allowed them to decipher a lot of the ancient hieroglyphs. If they could get some sort of much more comprehensive analysis of what they were trying to say with

Starting point is 00:43:50 this stuff. That would be nice. Yeah. If it's even possible. I mean, I'm just guessing. Well, yeah, that's Dendera light. It might be something that they can pull off. It's, you know, AI is a tough one.

Starting point is 00:44:02 You don't have to ask Elon. That's more his neck of the woods than mine. So it's part of the, reference is part of the Egyptian creation myth. Yes. The water lily or the lotus flower was it that came out of that. It's so weird. It is. Their iconography is weird. That's one of the reasons I was taking so many pictures at the Met. It was just like, so many things are just weird. Just fucking weird. You just look at it, you're like, this does not- It's so old. So old and so weird. It's like, we don't even know what their language sounded

Starting point is 00:44:39 like, which is also amazing. Yeah, it is. It's like, I just have all the places in the world where I could go back in time and observe, just somehow undetected. If you get some sort of a sphere of time that could place you in a place where you wouldn't disturb anything,

Starting point is 00:45:02 but you could observe, that's what I would, like what was going on? Yeah, well how'd they do that? What did it look like? What did their culture look like? What did the people look like when they were going about their daily tasks? You know, we used to think they were slaves that built the pyramid. Now they think, no, they were skilled workers. And they think that based on what their diet was, and they were eating good food, and these people were well taken care of, that were involved in working around that area so like who are they what was

Starting point is 00:45:29 it what was it all about yeah that's one of the things that they when they say that it's not slaves that built it that kind of makes me chuckle because yeah we know that they had you know well-fed people that worked there but that doesn't necessarily mean that they were the only people that worked there I mean if you go right you know how to get a construction over here you're gonna have a guy that's eaten at zip or eating at freaking Burger King or whatever and you're gonna have another guy who's eating the $300 lunch and they're gonna be working the same job site right so but but also probably a lot of them didn't want to work there they were forced into it

Starting point is 00:46:01 which makes you a slave. If you pay slaves well, they're still slaves. That's killing when they leave It's like you have a job to do no matter what you want to do Oh, you want to become a musician fuck off go push that rock push the rock and push it some more You know what? That one is another We're never going to Stop being fascinated by the people of the past that we don't understand. And I think, again, the best example of that is Egypt. Yeah. And that's where, like we were talking about how the archaeology and the archaeologists

Starting point is 00:46:34 and pseudo guys will argue with each other so much about, and it gets so bad blooded about it. It's like, I talked about this a little bit last time, but there's really, I see this two distinct like halves of the human psyche at work in this regard. You can almost see the distinction in the way that scientists tend to be anti-social. They're not, and maybe not anti-social might not be the right word, but they're just a little fucking weird, man. They're the kind of guys that they dress weird, they talk weird, they act weird, they just

Starting point is 00:47:02 come across fucking weird. You're talking about Flynn Dibble? I'm talking about all scientists in general. But yes, he would be one of them, but he's not the only one. Like John Hoops is a great example of this too. If you watch him, the way he carries himself, the way he talks, he's just fucking weird. And look at Einstein. You watch that guy, he carried himself fucking weird.

Starting point is 00:47:21 Yeah. But my friend Chris Williamson has a very interesting take on that that I think is very accurate. He said if you expect regular people to get extraordinary results, you're being silly. You're gonna get weird people that are gonna get weird results. That's exactly right. Yeah. I agree with you. Now I'm more scientifically literate I think than most of the people that I know. So and I kind of feel like like Shane Gillis jokes about being nicked by the Down syndrome thing I just I feel like I was nicked by that antisocial thing I walk into a bar and if I don't know anybody my first instinct is just to go

Starting point is 00:47:56 sit in the corner and watch no that's that's part of the problem with being intelligent you're worried that you're gonna get dragged into a dumbass conversation but it won't be stimulating. It's the opposite of stimulating. Oh, it's terrible. Yeah. Yeah But if you sit in the corner and watch well done You look like the weird old guy creeper in from the fucking corner So you just go sit at the bar and talk to people but I'm aware that you know, I can be a little off that way But these guys there every now and again one of them will show up. It's like

Starting point is 00:48:25 Carl Sagan. This guy, he's just a regular Joe. He could talk to everybody and he happens to be a fucking great scientist. And he got a lot of shit from his colleagues for that. He got a lot of shit from his colleagues for taking the time to talk to the peasants. And the way he did it wasn't abrasive. If somebody If somebody asked him about aliens if they're like man, you know What what do you think was the aliens were up to over on Alpha Centauri? What kind of technology you think they have and that's almost his initial response to be like You know, he's thinking how the fuck am I supposed to know right? But then he well, you know Alpha Centauri is about a billion years older than our star

Starting point is 00:49:01 So if you were to assume that they were around for a billion years longer than us and had the same stuff. And so he would entertain them. And then he would do things, he would interject a little bit of science when they would ask a question, he would answer it and make sure that there was a little science in that so that people that really didn't give a fuck about learning about the science, they just want to talk about UFOs, spoonful of sugar and the fucking medicine went down. You're walking out with some science in your head, bitch. Like it or not. Yeah, that's being a science educator, right?

Starting point is 00:49:31 Which is very important. And very rare for them to be good. It's very rare for them to be good. Yeah. Have you seen the recent images that they got from Mars, of that big square? What the fuck is that? That's one of those things where I was talking to Jamie just before the show it's is a bad day to be a professional skeptic I'm telling you what if this

Starting point is 00:49:53 you've been making the last you're living the last 20 years poo poo and all the aliens and UFO shit and whatnot man oh man is it a rough day for you because that same shit was LIDAR from the South American forest you'd be like yeah it's probably a village there it makes sense. This is even more clear than LIDAR. I know it's super square. Yeah Jamie pulled a photo of it up. This is super recent right? Yeah just a few days ago.

Starting point is 00:50:14 Yeah this. They found it recently I think it's been online for a while. Oh really? Yeah that's what I was reading. Oh so there's is it that there's a mass of data that they scan from the surface and then someone just detected this recently I think someone just found it on the website. It might be one of those things It's like who is going to go by hand over each one of these images and I mean you're dealing with the entire surface of a planet That's what is it like three-quarters of the size of Earth?

Starting point is 00:50:42 That might think that might even be a little smaller. That's smaller than that? I think it's a little larger, but I could be wrong. Well, so something smaller than Earth, but bigger than the moon, and you're gonna go over the entire surface of it. It's a lot. Yeah, and this, I think they think the rough estimates of this square are between 300 meters and multiple kilometers. They don't know how big it is. It's because it's hard to get a reference. So I think the estimate is at the very smallest it's several hundred meters across. So this thing, this square, it's really crazy because it's right angle, right angle right angle right angle right angle. Yeah, and

Starting point is 00:51:27 Doesn't look to be Very asymmetrical They added that square. Yeah, see it better. It's like superimposed on that one Yeah, yeah, but this is the original image just this alone. You're like what the fuck I said If you were to tell me that was a lidar picture from South America, I'd be like, okay. Yeah. It's just too convenient that it makes a square. It just seems so weird. It is. And then there's another image that goes along with this that's even more bizarre. Maybe not even more bizarre, but it's like, almost looks like a cone, like a cone structure that's emanating from the surface, like surrounded by a circle. Have you seen that one? I haven't seen that one, but I've seen people talking about it.

Starting point is 00:52:07 See if you can find that one, Jamie. Yeah, it's real weird stuff. And no one has, like, the face on Mars was real interesting. I got really into Richard Hoagland and all his Sidonia stuff for a while, but he was making some very bizarre measurements. Like if you go one half of the distance between this and three quarters of the way between that's exact number that takes a like Woody but don't do that how about don't do that don't just fucking arbitrarily look for some sort of I did that in a video once kind of being a dick making fun of the

Starting point is 00:52:42 idea that there's all this data encoded in the vases. I have no problem with the idea of the vases being like, you know, proof that these guys were... they're definitely fucking exacting and whatnot, but the idea that they've like hidden data... Is that the Cydonia face? I guess it's right by the square. What? Really? Wow. I guess, right? Is that what that's saying? I don't know. Yeah. Oh my god, it says the giant square structure, just a short hike from the legendary face on Mars. Holy shit. That's crazy. How do they miss that? They were concentrating on the face, which is like, it might be a face, might not be. To me, the original images, yeah, look really wild. But then the images afterwards were like, oh no, it's just the weird light hitting it in a certain way.

Starting point is 00:53:28 And you can find plenty of structures on Earth that will do a similar thing. Hmm. But- I saw this too. What is that? I don't know, this weird shit they're finding, like, sticking out. Eh, you find weird shit in nature.

Starting point is 00:53:44 That's not as compelling as the other one. There was something that looked like a cone So the actual image when they got what is that dirty stuff? Kind of while the Twitter has like hardcore porn. I always has yeah very weird. I'm not complaining Do whatever you want. I'm all for doing whatever you want, but this original tract of images it's a long one and if you scroll through it one of them is Some very bizarre looking cone like structure. That's it. That's it. Oh, okay. Yeah, that is weird. Very weird. Like, what's that? I mean, it could be just a mountain, but it looks like a zit. It does. And the fact that it's so close to that other thing, that's what's screwy. Yeah, the faces in

Starting point is 00:54:38 it, they're all, yeah. So it's all this one area that's been studied for a long time as being that there's a bunch of different things there that you could interpret as being some sort of a structure. Well, Jimmy was sharing that video in response to this, the Buzz Aldrin saying that there's like a monolith on the moon. Yeah, I hadn't seen that before. I mean, I embarrassingly hadn't. I've always been a little out of the UFO side of things. I've always watched it, but always just a little bit. I'm usually looking at pyramids. Wouldn't you like to feed Buzz Aldrin some mushrooms and say, tell me what you know?

Starting point is 00:55:12 Dude, yeah. Tell me what you really know. I like what you know. Did you really go? I like the clip when he punches that fucking dude. Yeah. Wow. Yeah, that guy.

Starting point is 00:55:21 You're a liar. Whap. Yeah. He needs to work on his punch. Yeah, a clean shot didn't do zero gravity training That is a wild thing that does happen to them hmm takes forever for your body to get back to normal Yeah, it's when you're crazy a while. It's crazy to think that like that stress is needed I mean, if you don't have those kinds of stresses in your life that like your body just Yeah, which fucks up the whole Superman myth the Superman came over here his body would deteriorate

Starting point is 00:55:52 Yeah, after a while you just like us poor guy, right wouldn't you work? fly But obviously cartoons no x-ray common. Yeah all those things The ability to go so fast you could spin time backwards, remember? It's save Lois Lane, yes. Water goes up the hill. Yeah, if you could somehow or another make sense out of the possibility that a civilization existed on Mars and was wiped out millions and millions of years ago. That

Starting point is 00:56:25 would change the way we think about everything and I feel like that square is one step closer to like really needing a comprehensive analysis of what's there. Because before it was just like oh it's a lifeless planet but at one time it had an atmosphere. Interesting. Oh they found frozen water water. Oh, interesting. Well, they actually found liquid water now. Yeah, more interesting. Now they found a big square. Okay. What's that? Yeah, that one to me is the what's that. And this is where in my mind, the this is where the that skeptics versus dreamers think it's really fucked because the answer should be the same for everybody. Let's just, next expedition, let's poke around a

Starting point is 00:57:11 little up there, right? Let's find out the evidence. But the answer is always from one side it's definitely this, from the other side it's definitely not. Not completely, but that to the point where we don't get to draw a parallel without John Aguni, the site, the point where we don't get to draw a parallel without Yonaguni, the site, the underwater site that Graham Hancock likes to talk about. The skeptics are certain that it's a geological formation. Most of the other people are not. We need work done.

Starting point is 00:57:37 That's the clear fucking answer is just put some money at it, put some bodies on it, and until then the answer in my mind is when somebody asks me, what do I think about Yonaguni? I say, well, it's interesting. You know, it's probably been eroded for a long time, so it might be manmade and just looks naturally. It might be natural. We need more evidence before I'm going to hang my hat anywhere. Trevor Burrus Which is very reasonable. David Erickson In all honesty, it should be the scientific position. It should be the position that the scientists are espousing. If they wanted to have credibility in this sphere, they should be the ones towing that line and then let the pyramidiates all be certain.

Starting point is 00:58:12 And this is how we know it was. And the scientists can look, but instead they get in the mud and act just like everybody else. They also stall progress with their arrogance. They stall progress by dismissing any possibility. Like what are those ones? Is it near the Bahamas? Those enormous stones that are on the floor? The surface of the ocean? The Bimini Road?

Starting point is 00:58:34 That's right. That one's weird. If you don't think that's weird, like come on. And they're right. I would agree with a geologist that there's a really good chance that it's just beach rock. However, We can do work. Yeah, this is the stuff It's like other people that you know, if you say that the rocks are Geopolymers and sex a who am on or whatever right? It's like there's no reason for us to argue about this man We just fucking do some work The Bimini Road was really interesting. There's a lot of really interesting stuff that they find under the under the water that makes you think okay What is this and the yonaguni thing like if that's the case see that to me that could easily be natural

Starting point is 00:59:16 Yeah, when I'm looking at it right there that easily could be natural They're not uniform enough to for bells to go off. Mm-hmm You know, but that one lower right, that one right below that Jamie, right below your cursor to the right, that one freaks me out a little. That seems like those are stacked. Yeah, it does. It seems very much like that.

Starting point is 00:59:37 And when you're dealing with, if you want to go really crazy with like the John Anthony West version of it, which is like 30,000 plus years That's probably what you would have left over. Yeah, that's you're accurate there. That's um, there's a thought tool that archaeologists use called the Solurian hypothesis and Solurian is like as Doctor Who bad guy that was Went into hibernation. There were lizards they went into hibernation like before the dinosaurs died out and then they wake up one day and there's all these monkeys running around on their planet and so. But that's the Dr. Who thing, right? But the Solarian

Starting point is 01:00:14 hypothesis is basically a thought tool for archaeologists and historians to say, well, if there was an advanced civilization on earth 10 million years ago, what would we need to find in order for it to exist? And what would we find now 10 million years later? And the answer is usually radioactive material. That's like 10 million years, man. You might find a couple of bones, but the odds of finding anything that's going to actually prove that they had technology? Not much.

Starting point is 01:00:40 Yeah. That's also the problem with the idea of this very sophisticated construction methods of the pyramids that were using some sort of advanced technology like what would if John Anthony West is correct And he's talking about 30 plus thousand years What would be left after 30,000 years? Well, certainly not much metal. No. Oh, no, that's that stuff would be looted right away And even if it wasn't what would be actually left of it if it was just like sitting on the ground we rotted and

Starting point is 01:01:11 nothing the the video that you sent me yesterday the the one with the the stone nubs the They talked about holes. Mm-hmm All those I can't say for all of the sites, but like the Colosseum and stuff, they used metal to bond the bricks together and the concrete together in places. So years later, when the city's under attack and they need metal to make swords, they looted it. That's recorded.

Starting point is 01:01:38 That makes sense. And it happened a lot in the Roman world. I'm glad you brought up the nubs. Because the nubs, that was one of the videos that I watched of yours yesterday, where for what we're talking about folks is there's many places like Machu Picchu. There's what other places have no all over the place. Even that Montana thing. Even in one year, you'll see them on Egyptian sarcophagi. You'll see them on the cas casing, unfinished casing stones at the

Starting point is 01:02:05 bottom of Menkari's pyramid. You'll see them basically, almost every megalithic site on the planet has some nubs somewhere. All the ones, if they're finished blocks, you'll usually find nubs somewhere. And do you think that it's possible that those, there's the nubs, those nubs were used to hoist things up and move them into place? Oh yeah, absolutely. I mean, there's a technique called a lifting boss that's used to lift big things like that. But there's a couple of issues with that being the only reason

Starting point is 01:02:36 that they're used. For one, a lot of times they're small like that and they wouldn't really do you much good. For two, a lot of times we see them like on the lids of a coffin, for example, which you wouldn't want to leave it there afterwards because you don't want to facilitate the next guy to be able to pop the coffin lid, right? You say that they're small, but if you were trying to place something exactly and you

Starting point is 01:02:56 were lifting it up from the bottom, the only way you would be able to do that is if you had something like a nub sticking on the outside of it. In order to catch a rope or keep it from walking. Right. Or whatever it is, boards or whatever you're using to lift that and place it into position. Yeah, oh yeah, there's, like I say, there's, they are, lifting bosses are a thing. They're not, it's not unknown. And there's a good possibility, I possibility. There's not a good possibility

Starting point is 01:03:26 quite certainly quite frequently these were used for that. And interesting also that the bottom stones don't have them. That's the fact a lot of people do bring up a good point. I didn't talk about it in my video. But it's interesting point is that why did they get left? Now like that one around the windows there like to me that's pretty clearly to the left Jamie sorry that what I do yeah the ones got that one's pretty clearly to me like that's functional right I mean they're there right that looks like maybe like stopped had an iron gate attached to or something veranda or some shit smoking balcony but some of them, on the other hand, they'd look a lot more questionable. Okay, like, like,

Starting point is 01:04:08 those are odd. Yeah, thank you. They're just fucking weird. And sometimes you see them on on things that don't like the stone was carved in the ground and they scroll sorry, Jamie, to the one a little bit higher with the red tint to it upper right hand side upper right right above that yeah click on that I get that is so strange you see I know like stones like these you don't really need a lifting boss okay you got like that look at that stone that's on the right there that's all the one to the left that guy there you could

Starting point is 01:04:41 just use that lip on the corner right above right below the cursor. You could use that lip for a lifting boss. You could tie a rope around that thing and push it wherever the fuck you want it. Right, but if you wanted to get it to sit down without having to pull out whatever is underneath it or whatever underneath it getting crushed, wouldn't you want something to assist you like that little nub? No, yeah, but again you could just pop it into the corner on the side and do the same thing.

Starting point is 01:05:07 But if you were doing that as a method for each individual stone, and some of them you couldn't pop in like that. Yeah, okay. You know what I'm saying? Like it would be a technique that you would use to hoist these things into position. Does anybody have an explanation of what these things are? Well, yeah, I mean, that's the lifting boss is what the mainstream explanation is. They say that all of them were for that and there's again there's it's the ubiquity that really makes it different to me. It's

Starting point is 01:05:32 like and the popping up on different sides of the ocean and that's where it just seems kind of weird. It's like there for it to show up that's looking so similar, used so similar all over the place left behind when they're done That's kind of weird to write that in possum down and polish them down Yeah, the rest of the walls use a lot of times. They mean the stones are fitted so well together clearly They knew how to make these stones flat as fuck. Why is this part still got this big tit hanging off of it? It's just it's weird Despite the title of my video saying the true purpose, that's just clickbait. Nobody

Starting point is 01:06:06 knows. The best mainstream explanation would be lifting bosses. The most common alternate history explanation is usually like a leftover from the concrete being pulled out like the guy in the video was saying, or it's like if you have a bag of concrete And it's just like the one little spot that kind of seeps out I Don't think that they're from Geo polymers But yeah, I've heard the concrete explanation too as far as this the the stones and the Great Pyramid, but yeah No, we can test again. We can test these things. That's that's where

Starting point is 01:06:43 Some of the guys that claim that they're all everything's Geo polymers will pretend that we can test these things. That's where some of the guys that claim that they're all everything's geopolymers will pretend that we can't test things. But the reality is we absolutely can test that for that kind of shit. I mean, that's not difficult at all actually. So the problem is, and this is where it gets, like you said, the archaeologists stand between things. The problem is that in certain places in the world like Peru for example in Bolivia it's fucking hard to get look at those alien bodies right down in Peru right yeah okay oh we've been looking at them I'm sure you have and the scientists keep saying they're real but the only fucking scientists I ever see weighing in on them are Peruvian scientists it's like okay let

Starting point is 01:07:21 some people from around the world oh no no no fuck you guys is there fuck you guys. These are us. All right, man, that's... But is that like a hyper-exaggerative version of the Boneyard? It could be. Deeper implications. It could be, but we've seen a lot of the same kind of stuff with them with... They have a problem in Peru with archeology

Starting point is 01:07:41 and corruption with the money. Like, I don't know if you saw my video on the elongated skulls, but I didn't. Okay, they that video I just cover basically how those things came in these big bundles, okay, they get these grave bags, and there'd be a body in there. And so they harvested a couple of at least like 600 of these bundles. And every time they just get opened and willy-nilly shit get moved around, Rockefeller ends up trading for a few of them and then to finance because they didn't have finances to store these things properly. So Rockefeller got some of those heads? Oh yeah. Reportedly just four, but like he gives the money to these people to like restore all these mummies

Starting point is 01:08:25 And the first thing that they do is they restore a bunch of textiles that other mummies that they don't have anymore We're like packed in and shit. It's just Even all the way up into the 60s an anthropologist opened like 70 some odd bundles Recorded what he found in four of them and put the rest back on the fucking shelf They've been stealing artifacts and selling them on the open market It's all about money. They're so really rich people like some billionaire guy goes. I want a mummy What do I gotta get to I want a mummy room in my castle? I want one with a head. I want one with a really weird head which one's got the best head. Let's open 60

Starting point is 01:09:00 Okay and That's just that the Kusco tunnels they just this one's so fucked. They just announced this January, archaeologists have discovered that there are tunnels running under Cusco in Peru, they connect the Temple of the Sun to the fortress of Sacsayhuaman and some other places around there. Oh, this is crazy. It's gonna be great, man. We did all this light arts. It's gonna be amazing amazing discovery Forging Brian Forrester upload a video like 11 years ago of him going on a tour of those tunnels You could pay a guide 20 years ago to go on a tour of those tunnels

Starting point is 01:09:33 They fucking were the Spanish were writing about them in the 1600s in the late 1500s the only reason that we didn't investigate these tunnels is because in the 30s was when Archaeology started becoming a thing and going down there and checking out those skulls and shit and at the exact same time Madame Blavatsky and Edgar Cayce he was like you know those tunnels that are supposed to be down there I bet they were built by the Atlanteans and so ever since then archaeologists have poo-pooed it there was a guy in the 2000s that it's a he's an Atlantis hunter he did ground penetrating radar in early 2000s found those tunnels they rejected his work he work. He had a priest that witnessed those tunnels, has been down in

Starting point is 01:10:08 them. He was rejected out of hand. Although, but that's okay because 25 years later we found it. I promise they didn't steal or sell anything in the last hundred years. That the world knew that these things existed. Rich people were going down there and throwing money around and there was zero safeguards. It's just like, so to circle back to the UFO the aliens there It's like I have a real problem with that shit in Peru because I can't yeah, it's just so tainted. It's so corrupt It's so weird, too. I mean I love looking at it I wish it was real but that to me is always the problem whenever it comes to alien stuff

Starting point is 01:10:42 I want it to be real so that part of my brain, I have to go, hey, stupid. Just because this is an X-ray doesn't mean this is legit. By the way, I can make you a fake X-ray pretty easy online these days. It wouldn't be hard at all. But these X-rays are so compelling that if they are legitimate X-rays, if someone really did just piece this together

Starting point is 01:11:04 with a bunch of random bones, what a fantastic job they did because it doesn't look awkward at all. It looks real. The thing about them that looks the fakest is just a photograph of the bodies themselves. Everything else looks fucking pretty legit. Right, if the x-rays are real,

Starting point is 01:11:20 and this is part of the problem, but the x-rays that they they show that they say are real. God, they look so cool. I mean, you see the three fingered hands, you see the bones look similar to ours, but different. You know, there's enough of it that's similar to a human beings. And it is some sort of bipedal, you know, hominid like creature, whatever it is. And we know, I mean, like we know that humans existed with a bunch of other hominids on this planet for a long time. So it wouldn't be like for us to discover a new species of even if they weren't aliens. Well, imagine if they were like way more advanced than us,

Starting point is 01:12:01 but they got wiped out. That's, you know. There's versions of us that aren't as good as us, that aren't here anymore. So we have Homo sapiens, Denisovans they didn't discover until a decade or so ago. So then there's a bunch of different versions of human beings that weren't as good as us. And we're the ones that, maybe ones were better. And maybe the ones that were better didn't make it. Yeah.

Starting point is 01:12:25 Because we almost didn't make it a ton of times. Yeah. And a lot of it doesn't it's we're not it's you could say well why did we some people would think at that point why did we make it and the ones that were better not if that's the case but we're not in direct competition with each other to survive necessarily it's also with Mother Nature and all these other things or so like you just wrong, wrong time species gets wiped out. Sorry. What is this, Jamie?

Starting point is 01:12:47 I'm reading an article about the mummies right now and this popped up. Metallic plates have been found throughout other areas of the mummy's bodies from the interior covering some of the bones to external attachments on the skin forming a bifunctional implant with no signs of rejection. These polymetallic plates have been analyzed using a light-based measurement revealing an alloy compound of copper, cadmium, osmium, aluminum, gold and silver," he added. Notably, the silver has a purity of over 95 percent, which is rare in nature. Additionally, cadmium and osmium, relatively recent discoveries, are

Starting point is 01:13:24 currently used in satellite communication and satellite structures. This is what they're telling us though. This is a Daily Mail article? Yeah. It is a Daily Mail article. They still fuck? That's kind of crazy. They don't have dicks has it pregnant right shouldn't they be Farming that off to a test tube if they've gotten past intercourse Do it like octopi um the the really weird ones were the the x-rays of the body in that position Where you see all the skull and the way the skull is formed and the way the fingers are formed

Starting point is 01:14:03 It's very weird weird weird stuff Yeah Wow super weird stuff Yeah, it is pretty wild if it's real, but if it's just somebody's art project you fuckers I read that so the I read the art project was the little small ones Yeah, the small ones supposedly have been debunked So they have hundreds of them apparently. What? Yeah. Okay. What do we have to give you Trump get on it? Scrap that scrap that turns out they're aliens. We no longer want an expedition to Ethiopia scrap that one

Starting point is 01:14:39 Yeah, what the bodies imagine? Well, we need a bunch of expeditions answers, you know Imagine. Well, we need a bunch of expeditions. We need answers. You know, we need someone who is like at a high position of the White House that's interested in this stuff. That would be very nice. Yeah. Like, find one of them things, bring it to America. And let's do a live stream of scientists actually analyzing it. So it doesn't get gatekeep at all. Yeah, we just get a chance to see, like, show the whole world what this is. They did that with a couple of the bundles. They tried to with a couple of the bundles in the 50s. There was an anthropologist that opened up two of them on video. And when I was researching for my video, I found that those movie reels are lost. Nobody knows where they went. They just disappeared. Big fucking shock. There's a newspaper article that recorded what she found in one of them. That newspaper article is not in their archives. It just stinks. It just stinks. It's like I am not-

Starting point is 01:15:35 Gatekeeping. Oh yeah. I'm not a conspiratorial type of person, but I'm not stupid either, right? Pretty clear fucking conspiracy there. So what was supposedly the synopsis of her article? She was just talking about what she found inside of the one of those mummy bundles with the elongated skulls and the artifacts that would be in the grave goods and stuff. The thing about the elongated skulls is some of them have a

Starting point is 01:15:59 larger capacity, which is interesting. So it's not simply like, we know that there's a technique that they do with young children where they put Boards on the side of their heads and they flatten their head that you can actually form someone's head But that's not necessarily what was being done here. No, it's there's The the kind of nuanced argument is that some of them were legitimate aliens or other species or whatever And then some of them were people trying to emulate that with their right our own shit kids Right like that It was a status symbol to have that elongated head and so people try to fake it and pretend

Starting point is 01:16:33 Maybe it was just a genetic anomaly, right? Like yeah some sort of bizarre like we talked about this the people that are born There's a certain tribe in Africa where a bunch of them have only two toes and they look like ostrich feet. Have you seen that? No, I haven't. That's crazy. Jamie could find it. It's real weird. So it's some genetic anomaly that like a lot of people have there. It's not really, it's not rare. There's a photo of a bunch of them sitting there with their feet up. That's what their toes look like. Yeah. And so there's quite a few people that have this genetic anomaly with their toes.

Starting point is 01:17:10 Wow. Yeah, very strange. So they have two enormous toes. So their feet are completely different than ours. Wow. Yeah. And there's quite a few people that have that. Now you could imagine that a similar genetic anomaly

Starting point is 01:17:25 could take place with the shape of the skull. Absolutely. If you could develop people that were a bunch of them or it's a gene that can spread like you can pass it on that you could have something where people had a larger head and a weird shaped head. Yeah that was if it offered any sort of advantage at all, you know, you might think well, how could that be? It's you know, obviously a problem but if it offered any sort of advantage like the you know, the Galapagos Islands, right? The iguanas there that go down and swim in the water and eat moss off the bottom y'all got webbed feet so it

Starting point is 01:18:03 Stands to reason to me that whatever happened that isolated Galapagos and made it a shitty place to try to find food for an iguana, you got one of these iguanas, it's a little mutant McNugget running around and he's got webbed toes already and he's like, fuck man, nobody wants to hang out with me because I look all weird. But then this happens and all of a sudden he's the only guy that can consistently get food. It's, you know, that kind of disadvantage turns advantage overnight kind of thing. Those weird adaptations take place quicker than they thought. A good example of that is the Congo.

Starting point is 01:18:36 There's parts of the Congo where there's an amazing BBC documentary about it. It was a multiple disc CD, DVD DVD rather thing that I had back in the day. And this Congo documentary, one of the things they found was there's a lot of plains animals that got trapped in the Congo. So the Congo, because of the change of the climate there, at one point in time it was plains, so it was grasslands. So you have all these antelope and all these different animals that normally exist in these open wide areas, but they're jammed into a rainforest now and they've adapted. One of the animals that adapted is the diker.

Starting point is 01:19:15 So the diker is a small antelope that can swim underwater for as much as a hundred yards and eats fish. Jesus. Yeah. Wow. Okay. So this thing that lived out in the plains like all the other little antelopes now can fish. Jesus. Yeah. Wow. Okay. So this thing that lived out in the plains, like all the other little antelopes, now can

Starting point is 01:19:28 fucking swim and dives underwater and can swim a hundred yards underwater. It's insane. And eats fish. That's insane. So this weird adaptation that takes place just in the Congo, which is this incredibly vital environment that so much diversity of life exists in that's weird It's weird, but it's crazy like how how ubiquitous those things can be like, you know, Madagascar and the lemurs Lemurs basically like have all these evolutionary niches in Madagascar filled in like instead of a woodpecker

Starting point is 01:20:03 There's a lemur with a big-ass fucking finger. And he tap tap tap tap tap tap tap tap tap. Yeah, if we can look that guy up if you want, Jamie. Whoa. Madagascar's got almost every major evolutionary niche is filled by a lemur. Really? Yeah, it's a fucking lemur island, man. It's just like the different kind of lemurs on Madagascar all over the place it's not every single one but like woodpeckers there's no fucking woodpeckers there the insect eating birds are not birds

Starting point is 01:20:32 they're lemurs. Whoa. The whole the whole island is uh that's it look at that look at those fucking claws how weird that looks fake. The eye eye. The finger of death, the world's most demonic lemur is also its most endangered. Meet the creature with the ugliest finger on the planet. What does it look like? The full version of it. Whoa, look at his eyes. What a cool looking creature. Wow, that's a lemur. Yeah, that looks like something from like Lord of the Rings. That does not even look like a real creature. Yeah, it's uh, evolution's crazy that way. And um, it's like uh-

Starting point is 01:21:14 Whoa, look at that little fucker. You get a great example of like uh, like you've probably heard them say that uh, like the dinosaurs get wiped out and allowed mammals the opportunity to take over the planet. Like otherwise mammals would have just been a bunch of shrews running around in the grass. And that's that exact kind of thing. It's like that lemur ain't going to out compete woodpeckers, but he don't have to.

Starting point is 01:21:39 So he gets to take off and do his thing. Because there are no woodpeckers there. Yeah. So something fills that niche. Exactly. So it's that same kind of thing we get to see it in, you know, you were talking about the, what's the name of that deer thing you were talking about? The Diker. Diker. It's an antelope. Antelope, yes. That to become an underwater meat eater, that's quite a jump. But there's probably not many alligators down there doing that exact same job. I mean, not many things taking its spot. Otherwise, it wouldn't have been

Starting point is 01:22:09 able to find a niche there. There wouldn't have been no food. Right. Yeah. It's really interesting. There's herds of antelope running through dense rainforest, running through puddles in the water and everything. Really crazy because they just sort of got trapped there. Wow. Wow. That's so insane. It's like the mountains that they have in South America where they've got basically it's like the same as an island where it's like nothing can go down from a certain elevation. So like there's a bunch of things that live up in the mountains that are basically evolutionary isolated and have been for 10,000, 20,000 years. And so you got a bunch of goofy species that are only next mountain over there a little bit different next mountain over there a little

Starting point is 01:22:53 bit different. Same as the finches that Darwin was chasing around in the early days. Yeah, pretty interesting stuff. I get nerd out on all that shit for a long time. I love it. Which is the sheer variety, the sheer variety of life forms that we know are real. And what's interesting is like things that are cryptic or, you know, cryptozoology type deals, people are so dismissive of them. But I'm like, by God, there's so much that's real. There's so much that's real. Like one of my favorites is the little hobbit man from the island Flores,

Starting point is 01:23:23 because that was dismissed forever. That was just nonsense until a couple decades ago they're like, oh hey, okay, we just found something that's like a little tiny person, a little three foot person that's not us, you know, but it's bipedal and it seems to have worked with tools and hunted. It's funny how skeptical they get with the stuff. It's not even skeptical, it's cynical. Because clearly we know that island dwarfism exists, which is where things get smaller or bigger on islands, depending, right? You might have some big-ass swans and some small elephants on an island. Yeah, lizards get bigger, right? Exactly. Smaller things tend to get bigger and

Starting point is 01:24:02 bigger things tend to get smaller. So if we know know that's a thing then why is it a problem to assume what that would happen with with humans or with? Hominids right we know what happens with the elephants. Yeah dwarf elephants on these islands. It's For and that's the kind of thing that honestly is almost sounds like religious thinking not scientific thinking to me It's like we're better and we were not we're immune to all the same forces of nature. It's like a scientist would just should just be like, okay, man, it could be. Yeah, it's just ego. It's ego. Ego works with everything in the wrong direction and including science. And well, that's to me that's that's kind of it's kind of fucked because even though I know that those guys like I was saying earlier are socially awkward and probably emotionally stunted quite frequently can't even suss their own feelings, but

Starting point is 01:24:51 At the same time. It's like science is The whole fucking expedition the whole undertaking the whole reason you do it is to see clearly and when trying to get rid of Joe has an opinion Jamie has an opinion dance has an opinion they're all different but if we all see the same thing we can be pretty sure that this is real but if I see it different than you than Jamie will now yeah and so when they inject their ego heavily into it political quite frequently nowadays it's it's not fucking science anymore man you're you are defiling the thing that you set out

Starting point is 01:25:26 to do and you know you're doing it. So I get kind of... Let's just call it truth. Truth is the most valuable thing if you're speaking openly about something. If you're talking about something publicly, truth is the most important thing. As soon as you are willing to violate truth to preserve something else, like your status, your ego, your place in the hierarchy of information. Well, now I can't listen to you anymore because I know you're willing to lie. You're a grifter.

Starting point is 01:25:52 Yeah. And obviously politics is the best example of that. I mean, especially today. I guess it's probably a good time to talk about this. There was a thing that came out recently. There was a book. There was some book about the Kamala Harris campaign where they talked about her getting on this show. And they said a bunch of things that weren't true.

Starting point is 01:26:10 They supposedly talked to like 150 different people about her and what happened with her coming on this show. I don't know if it's 150. A lot of people. They didn't talk to us. Which is kind of crazy. Which is like, they didn't even ask. But they said things that just weren't true. One of the things they said that weren't true was that we lied about the day that Trump was coming on.

Starting point is 01:26:37 No, we just didn't tell you that Trump was coming on. He was already booked a long time ago. This is how it worked. Trump was really easy to book. Like super easy. We offered one day really easy to book, like super easy. We offered one day, he said yes, that was it. There was no, what are we going to talk about? How long is it going to be? Is it going to be edited? There was nothing. What's the waiver here? Give me that waiver. Sign it. It was so easy. So he was already booked.

Starting point is 01:27:00 They never committed to doing the show. So all this talk, there was another thing they said that the reason why they did the Beyonce thing, the Beyonce event in Houston, was so they could be in Texas to do my show. They never agreed to do the show. None of that's true. They never agreed. That's fucked. They also said that they sent someone down here to the studio to do a walkthrough of the set. That's not true. The Trump administration did. I mean, if they are trying to say that they, as in the entire federal government, well, I don't think the Trump administration, well, I guess the Secret Service is a part of the federal government. Maybe

Starting point is 01:27:35 you can kind of get away with saying that because the Secret Service came down here for Trump and looked around that we sent someone down, but it was not. It was the Trump administration sent them down because they're the only ones that had a date to do the show. These people didn't have a date to do, they never agreed to do the show. This is really important. Even after Trump went on, they offered for me to come to DC and do a show with Kamala, but even then it was the same deal. It was only like 45 minutes to an hour and you know it was not on my set and I said that look he did it here we should probably

Starting point is 01:28:10 do it here like if it's possible to do it here obviously when he did it it had an enormous result I'm willing to do the same thing for her. I wanted to release both of them on the same day. This was my goal. I was even trying to figure out there was a way that I could do it and I even offered to do It late that night So the night that Trump came on I'm like what if we do her like when she's done in Texas if she came here But no one ever committed to doing it This is like really important because they keep pretending that I lied or I did this I did that no one they never

Starting point is 01:28:41 Committed to doing it. Well, we offer it we went through I've got a whole by We have all the receipts by the way, of course. I have a whole list of conversations that took place They never said she was gonna do it So this whole idea that we fucked her over and then we we fucked her over for Trump incorrect Just not true and she you know But I think it's someone trying to cover their ass for the fact that she never did it and if she did do it It might have had a positive effect Yeah

Starting point is 01:29:09 If her and I had a good time and we got a long gray and she won over you know the air quote young male Vote things could have been different. So this guy's probably trying to cover his ass That's I was that's what I'm thinking too is because I the reaction to her not coming was like pretty big They didn't commit to doing it. This is the thing, while this guy's saying like that we were difficult to deal with, not true. We were super easy. We made it real clear.

Starting point is 01:29:35 But also, it's got to be the actual real show. It shouldn't be some fake version of it where I'm sitting in a conference room. Oh, also, they wanted a stenographer in the room. They wanted staff in the room. Trump was just in here by himself. Just me, him and Jamie. That's it. For three hours.

Starting point is 01:29:53 Like they wanted to do everything. They wanted it very controlled and they were really concerned that it wasn't going to be edited. So I don't think they ever really were sure they wanted to do it. Then once Trump did it and it had this huge response, I think then it was like, what the fuck? What are we doing? He just did it, it's got 50 fucking million views, this is so stupid, why didn't we do it?

Starting point is 01:30:11 And so then there was even then when they offered to do it in DC, my manager asked, is she committed to doing this? When I bring, if I bring this to Joe, no. She hasn't committed to doing this. Have you brought this to her? Like they wouldn't even say whether or not she had expressed willingness to do it or whether they were trying to convince her to do it. There was, we know for sure there were some people that

Starting point is 01:30:35 were supposedly on her staff that were against her doing it. They thought it was a bad, because you know, it was a bunch of wokesters. They're basically in a cult. You have a distribution, like if you're willing to go on Fox News, you talk to, what's that guy's name, Brett Breyer? Yeah. Where they cut that off after 20 minutes. When they did that, that's when I was like, look, it's gotta be in the studio.

Starting point is 01:30:56 It's gotta be in the studio and it's gotta be real. It's gotta be a real conversation. I had entertained a couple of times going to it, but I was like, 45 minutes is just not enough. You know, you and I have been talking an hour and a half already. Yeah, it's just like it's not enough time. You need more time. You need more time to find out what makes someone tick.

Starting point is 01:31:14 And that's probably what she was afraid of. Probably what they were afraid of. Maybe not her. Maybe not her. I don't think they should have been. I think we would have had a good old time. No, you're a good guy. I think we would have had fun.

Starting point is 01:31:24 I think it was a huge a good old time. No, you're you're a good guy. I think we would have fun I think I think it was a huge Huge mistake on her part. Let's be honest Like it's the kind of thing that it's reminiscent of the forget the congressman that asked Mark Zuckerberg how how Facebook makes money? It's just like this. So just so detached from the modern world It's like you you could spend millions of dollars on all your ad campaign all across YouTube Or you could just go sit in the room with Joe for three hours and I'll tell you which one's going to do better for you lady. But she picked the ad campaigns on YouTube.

Starting point is 01:31:52 The problem is that I think the people that saw it as they thought they were going to win anyway, apparently, and the people that saw it as a negative thought like there's been a few blunders where things didn't go well. But I think a lot of those blunders are, I was listening to this woman on the Tucker Carlson show and she was talking about what Biden was like during the presidency. And one of the things that she said I thought that was very interesting was that there's many people that worked with Biden that said there were moments in his first couple of years where he was very lucid and that he

Starting point is 01:32:25 would be actually running the meetings and he had talking points that were written down, but he was having these lucid conversations. And then he would do these public things and he would have blunders. I think a lot of it is just the pressure of performing publicly under intense scrutiny. Like if you have to do a live set, like say if you have to do Saturday Night Live or something like that, and you're going to do a monologue, the pressure of doing that monologue is so much different than the pressure of just going up at a local comedy club. Oh sure. It's insane, insane. And I think that pressure, Joe Biden as much as, you know, I'm sure

Starting point is 01:33:00 he has a high self-opinion, clearly. When he is confronted by the reality that half the country hates him and thinks he's doing a terrible job, and then he has to talk publicly live, then I think those cognitive problems were sort of elevated. That makes sense. I think that's the same with her. So I think that's the same with her when she's on Fox with Brett Breyer. I think it's hostile environments. I think it's large crowds. I think it's large crowds. I

Starting point is 01:33:26 think it's a lot of things where you don't get to see the real person. So that was my goal. My goal was to try to meet the real person. Just like I did with Trump, just try to meet and talk with the real person. And my goal was what I really wanted to do, which we talked about this quite a bit, me and my manager, of doing it on the same day. And my manager, she agreed. She like, this would be the perfect way to set it up. Like we both agree, put them both out at the same time, you know, go watch them all, see what you think. That would be their ultimate way to do it.

Starting point is 01:33:55 But they never agreed to do it. So all this shit that's in that book that they never talked to us, just not true. Maybe it's someone's trying to preserve their job, maybe someone's trying to say, hey, it wasn't my fault. You know, they became difficult. No, we didn't become difficult. The other thing was like they wanted to do it that Saturday, the day after Trump and I said, I'll do it, but it has to be at 830am. The reason why was I had a podcast already scheduled that was a live UFC podcast. So we do this thing called fight

Starting point is 01:34:23 companion. So there was this title fight that was happening in I think was it Saudi Arabia or was it Dubai or Abu Dhabi? Some it was somewhere in the Middle East. I believe if I remember correctly see if you can find out what that was Just so just we were clear. I Have friends I flew in three of my buddies from California and we were all gonna do this podcast together like we had committed to doing this like they were already in town like I can't just say no guys I can't do this awesome thing because I have to interview Kamala Harris seems like I should to some people but that's because you're in the politics business I'm an MMA commentator this is part of my job and I said I would do it I said I'll do it but it has

Starting point is 01:35:04 to be like 8.30 in the morning because I have to be done by the time the fights start. That's reasonable. They didn't do that either. So this idea that I sabotaged her, there's a bunch of people that say I fucked her over or whatever, that's not true. So you can think whatever you want, but it was Abu Dhabi.

Starting point is 01:35:21 So that was Ilya Toporia versus Max Holloway. So for UFC fans, just so you know know for people listening that aren't UFC fans That was a huge fight That was a gigantic fight Max Holloway just beat Justin Gaethje in like literally the knockout of all time and Ilya Toporia is one of the absolute best fighters on planet Earth If not number one pound for pounds certainly number two or number three. See he's in the top five of the absolute best athletes in any weight class so this was a

Starting point is 01:35:53 clash of the titans the greatest featherweight champion of all time versus the current featherweight champion. So I'm not going to miss that. Yeah. I understand I work around you. I said I would do it at night. I'll come back. I'll do it at midnight. I don't give a fuck. I work around you. I said I would do it at night. I'll come back. I'll do it at midnight I don't give a fuck. I'll do it. So it wasn't me fucking someone over and so just whoever's in charge of

Starting point is 01:36:14 spreading that narrative That's deceptive. Yeah, and she she missed out man. She could have sat in the same chair that Shane Gillis sat in right? Yes Or could have been a wreck but it could have been a wreck with Trump too. You know, like there was there was a moment where me and Trump were I was saying, tell me how the 2020 election was stolen. Like, and I feel like if you're for the last four years have been telling everybody that they robbed you, you should be able to tell people how you know They robbed you and you should be able to say articulate. Yes, clearly clearly I don't I don't so I don't know what that's about

Starting point is 01:36:51 I don't know if he has other people that tell him that he's compartmentalized like look you hey Rudy Giuliani You deal with that. I got other shit to deal with I'm gonna deal with this you tell me they robbed me I'm gonna say they robbed me if that could be it. I don't know I don't know, but so that could have gone sideways, but it didn't yeah, it didn't it goes back to that How you disagree with people think yeah? You don't have to be an asshole about it, right? You should be able to communicate with people in a way that it's just about what you're talking about It's not a it's a shitty tactic to try to break a person down as a human being because you want to enforce your argument or say their argument sucks

Starting point is 01:37:27 because they suck as a human being too like come on we're big grown-ups here we can just talk about the actual idea maybe actually get to where we're trying to get to right yeah we're trying to figure out the other side of this so seems kind of cut and dry but a lot of people miss that the egos are egos a powerful fucking thing man it really is and it I mean, I'm glad we took that little side trip because I had to explain that But the the thing is that that little monster rears its ugly head in everything It doesn't just rear its ugly head in politics it rears its ugly head in archaeology in religion in

Starting point is 01:38:07 culture in politics, it rears its head in archaeology, in religion, in culture, in everything we do. It just, it's a lot of it is I have said this for so long, I don't want to ever say I was wrong and I will somehow or another derail any arguments against me. I will call those people racist, I will call those people... I was watching one of your videos where there's this person who listened to what Flint Dibble said about Graham Hancock and Atlantis and connecting Atlantis to white supremacy, and she made the most distorted statement that saying that people of color were not capable, that this is the argument of the people that support Atlantis, people of color were not capable, that this is the argument of the people that support Atlantis, people of color were not capable

Starting point is 01:38:46 of that sort of civilization, which literally no one has ever said, because everybody, especially the people that believe that that area of sub-Saharan Africa, the Rishat, Rishat, yeah, Rishat, how do you say it? I think it's Rishat. Rishat structure, that that is Egypt, or that is rather Atlantis that is literally in Africa

Starting point is 01:39:08 So who the fuck do you think built it if you're talking about the pyramids? No one is saying Europeans came to Africa and built appearance of the Africans built the pyramids So it none of this white supremacy thing makes any sense because all these people are saying was I think that this city in Africa was Atlantis I think which well that's why I'm gonna find an ancient civilization that is super advanced wouldn't you think maybe would be in an area around where there's fucking for sure ancient advanced civilizations that made pyramids yeah I mean it's kind of a no-brainer it's kind of a no-brainer what they what kind of a no-brainer. What they do is this is where Flint is especially in cities.

Starting point is 01:39:48 You know, I got along well with Flint and a bunch of other archaeologists for a long time, but I made a video that went into the details of how Ignatius Donnelly was not the guy who founded modern-day Atlantis hunting. And he did believe in some kind of Aryan first things. And it was he didn't he believed that other races weren't capable of innovating. And he was just one douchebag. He was popular. But the thing is, is people that came before they tried to make it out like, like, that's the origins. And the guys that came before him both believe the Maya were the founding one of them believe the Maya fucking whooped the ass all the way over into Indian shit

Starting point is 01:40:26 he believed that the Maya were the Egyptians What? Yeah, Augustus Le Plonon is the one that believed the Maya whooped ass all over the world and the other one was Were the Maya supposedly seafaring? No, this is his It's just a wacky idea Charles Etienne de Bezière de Bourg-Bourg these are the two guys that they were the first ones This is this is his. This is a wacky idea. Well, Charles, a teen, they presented Bobo. These are

Starting point is 01:40:45 the two guys that they were the first ones to find like that chalk mole statue with the weird and the heart and the plate. Oh, yeah. It looks Egyptian. They were the ones that started seeing they're the first ones to see the similarities between these things. And so they believe that, you know, ancient Egypt is this technologically superior place. and here we've seen the same thing here with similar iconography. So I made a video explaining that this is the essay that the letter that the Society for American Archaeology wrote to Netflix to call Graham Hancock a racist, basically, not call him a racist, fuck you guys, is it was wrong. They were as erroneous. It contained false information. And I pointed that out and eventually Flint's addressed it in his argument was, well, it doesn't really

Starting point is 01:41:31 matter. It's not a big deal. We use the word comet and Graham talks about a comet and this other guy didn't. And it doesn't really matter because so many white supremacists believe this shit anyway. And it was just like, at at that point I was kind of like okay this isn't science anymore and then I watched him do that waffle and bullshit here where he did it with great when you're pushing him on it and he's like no I didn't say that well yeah I said well no I didn't say that was just already no I'm gonna drag you for this there's too many people that are used to being in a position of authority where they're never questioned like that and they can say that in front of a class or they can say that in front of colleagues and nobody pushes back. And then there's also this

Starting point is 01:42:08 problem with leftist ideology where if someone, if there is some sort of history at any point in time of white supremacy like that Ignatius Donnelly guy. Like you have to connect even everything attached to the theories of this advanced city, this advanced law civilization. You have to attach it to white supremacy or you are a racist or you're enabling or you're a dog whistling, which is my favorite. Dog whistling is my favorite. Yeah, it's insane. I hear racism. It's just, it's just, it's just, it's just, it's just, it's just, it's just, it's just, it's just, it's just, it's just, it's just, it's just, it's just, it's just, it's just, it's just, it's just, it's just, it's just, it's just, it's just, it's just, it's just, it's just, it's just, it's just, it's just, it's just, it's just, it's just, it's just,

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Starting point is 01:43:06 If that Reichart structure, if that's really where it is and it was impacted by the Great Flood, by the end of the Younger Trius, the impact theory, the water from all the polar caps rushes through and destroys everything, giant tsunamis everywhere because of the global cataclysm. Okay, it's well, it wasn't as good because if that's the pyramids are still standing so that all that shit happened at the same time the pyramids too yeah so that what you're saying if you really believe all that is that the pyramids were way more advanced than Atlantis and believing Atlantis is crazy yeah help me out and it's white supremacy even though it's in the same part of the fucking world. Help me out!

Starting point is 01:43:46 Yeah, it's always, always, basically no matter what they're always going to find a way to not just dismiss it, they're going to poo poo it. That's not an underwater monkey. That doesn't look like a tool to me. It's just this this poo-poo attitude that really it does them a huge disservice because ultimately the most interested amateurs on the planet would be us, Pyramidians, guys that are into that kind of goofy shit. We're the most interested. Just like Carl Sagan knew his audience, the most interested people in space were the UFO crowd. The most interested people in archae were the UFO crowd. The most interested people in archaeology are not archaeology students. That's their nine to five. I'm

Starting point is 01:44:30 the one that's reading the shit at two o'clock in the morning with the beer in my hand. I love the shit. But I don't want to, you're going to bore me if you talk about photography and we're going to want a story. We're going to want, you're going to want something to excite you to dig into it. So when they literally deliberately piss on the mystery, it's just like oh, there's no there's nothing to see nothing to see here Nothing to see here. Nothing. Let me tell you about stratigraphy. Nothing to see here It's why I talk about Carl Sagan all the time. He might have laughed in their face even which But he never told me nothing to see here. Well, you know why Carl Sagan smoked a lot of weed He did he smoked a lot of weed. That's very uncomfortable for a lot of people that don't like weed. Oh, makes you lazy. Nope, you were

Starting point is 01:45:07 already lazy. Yeah. We just got there while you were lazy. It has nothing to do with weed. Stop it. You know? It's true. I get what you're saying. It's a lot of people like to blame things for blame, say that drugs are all just bad, but I forget the dude's name. That like was the guy that discerned the DNA, like the human DNA. Yeah. And, uh, Carrie Mullis did it well on LSD. Yeah. Like crack the code on LSD or whatever.

Starting point is 01:45:33 I mean, that's it's, you know, it's, it's part of our brains, man. It's there. Um, and as a tribe, I think there's some controversy about the Francis Crick thing though, right? Isn't there a controversy about whether Francis Crick was, I'm pretty sure Kerry Mullis was open when he was talking about the PCR method, that he devised that when he was on acid, which is also, also he was a huge critic of using that stuff for detecting diseases. He's like, this is so fucking stupid. Like you don't know, like he was so angry.

Starting point is 01:46:03 Have you ever seen that video where he's angry about Anthony Fauci saying he does not know what he's doing. He's not a scientist He's a bureaucrat see if you can find that video because it's fascinating because he's literally talking about this is pre-covid By the way, okay He's took because he died like right or right before COVID happened But he was talking about how PCR should never be used to detect diseases because you could find these tiny Fragments of a disease, but it doesn't even mean that someone's infected, especially when you're ramping it up to X amount of cycles.

Starting point is 01:46:30 Like they had so many cycles, you had so many false positives that maybe someone had encountered this thing at one point in time, but it was dormant in their body and dead. But yet you're still, you're looking at such minute particles that you can't use it to detect whether or not someone's sick. And that's what we're using during the pandemic to detect whether or not. So you got so many false positives. Some estimates were higher than 50 percent false positives. That's insane.

Starting point is 01:46:59 Insane. See, you find Carey Mullis on Anthony Fauci. He's like sitting at a desk at his kitchen table, or he's sitting at his kitchen table with a guy he's talking to, and he's just breaking down the difference between the actual science. Have you found it? It's only a preview of the video. I know it's available.

Starting point is 01:47:19 I've seen it. I'm just looking. You're timing. I'm stuck in the mission preview site and I've got to find another one. I'm just... I'm finding it It's stuck in the preview site. Now we've got to find another one. Just I'm finding it. OK, you'll find it. I'm sure. So I've got to double check and make sure

Starting point is 01:47:31 to see if this is not what you wanted. But that's it right there. Second one down. It's 10 seconds. Oh, really? This is Russia. I'm not going there. It says Russia?

Starting point is 01:47:39 Yandex.ru. Oh, you're going to get fucking virus instantaneously. There it is. Change your computer to Russian script first yeah I think that's it you see this is Kerry millis won a Nobel Prize for his PCR technique while employing employed by Emeryville biotech from humanity that wants to go to all the details and stuff and listen you know these guys like Fow the details and stuff and listen, you know, these guys

Starting point is 01:48:05 like Fauci get up there and start talking, you know, he doesn't know anything really about anything and I'd say that to his face, nothing. The man thinks you can take a blood sample and stick it in an electron microscope and if it's got a virus in there you'll know it. He doesn't understand electron microscopy and he doesn't understand medicine and he should not be in a position like he's in. Most of those guys up there on the top are just total administrative people and they don't know anything about what's going on on the bottom. Those guys have got an agenda which is not what we would like them to have being that

Starting point is 01:48:39 we pay for them to take care of our health in some way. They've got a personal kind of agenda. They make up their own rules as they go. They change them when they want to, and they smugly, like Tony Fauci does not mind going on television in front of the people to pay his salary and lie directly into the camera. You can't expect the sheep.

Starting point is 01:48:58 What is it? Yeah, so this was pre-pandemic. Yeah, 96 it says, it's brutal. Yeah, so what he's talking about, I think back then was also the AIDS crisis, which that's a whole nother ball of wax. And if you want to get into that at another time, folks, just please go read Bobby Kennedy's book, The Real Anthony Fauci. It's incredible. But so this is another thing. This is more gatekeeping. It's the same kind of thing. This may be in a different way, maybe not to protect the ego, but to protect money.

Starting point is 01:49:27 Yeah. One of the things with COVID that always tickles me on that is the way that they threw the, I feel to me, I feel like they threw the red herring of a mask at us. I feel like the mask was a bullfighter's cape. I feel like you've only got so many hours in a day you got to pick your battles and you've got the mask is an easy symbol. It's everybody can complain about it because it affects everybody. It's an easy touchstone. You can see it. You could it's it's but while you everybody's fighting that that really is effectively you just have to fucking wear a hat for a few months or a few years.

Starting point is 01:50:06 They're closing down our stores and taking the kids. I got two more years of wrestling. Yeah, fuck you. You're not ever going to make state fuck you. You just lost. That's the people, that's the stuff that was getting lost. The masks, I'll wear fucking masks over my face today if it'll bring back white elephant shit.

Starting point is 01:50:22 There's also no logical explanation. If the vaccine worked, give it to the people that are vulnerable, let everybody else live their life. That makes the most sense, but they couldn't do that. They had to pretend that the other people were vulnerable. They had to pretend the children were dying of it. They talked about it all the time. No healthy children died of it.

Starting point is 01:50:38 That's not true. They tried to pretend that it was really dangerous for young people. It wasn't, unless they were already really sick. What it exposed in this country is that there are a lot of people that are completely full of shit that are in charge of telling us what the truth is, and that also we're really vulnerable in terms of our health. Our health is very vulnerable.

Starting point is 01:50:57 Our economy is very vulnerable. We can't just shut the country down for a year and a half. It doesn't work like that. We're vulnerable. It destroyed a lot of businesses, destroyed people's lives, caused so many people to become drug addicts, so many people to commit suicide. There's a loss of life and a loss of hope. And who knows what it's going to do to these young children that had to wear masks when they're in preschool? Who knows what the fuck that does to you? Learning how to talk with a mask on. You're not reading

Starting point is 01:51:20 mouths and lips and you're not getting a full facial feature to read off like children need for their development. We've found out that there's a lot of people that just aren't telling you the fucking truth and the crazy thing is they were doing it in the age of the internet because they had been used to doing it for so long they they didn't develop the thing that people have now. Like now like especially someone like you or I who does stuff on YouTube you know that if you say something and it's not true, you got to go back and say hey This is what I thought this is why I thought it but now I know that this isn't true

Starting point is 01:51:52 Because if you don't do that, no one's ever going to fucking trust you again Anthony Fauci in the beginning of the pandemic like don't wear a mask. It doesn't do anything It's just anything it's gonna smuts with it and then later he's saying wear a mask I wear too I wear two masks like what the fuck we have video man this is this is a different time this is in 1986 you can't just go and tell us some shit and we don't know whether or not you said something completely contrary to that just a month ago yeah I think that might be part of why Kamala was so worried about the unedited thing. You know, when Hillary fainted a few election cycles ago, that

Starting point is 01:52:29 video would have never made the news in the 90s. They just got bought. Right. But fucking before they, nobody knew it existed before it was posted. It was just like the dude and bam and now the internet has it and it's too fucking late. So I think the real thing that did her in was Comey. Oh yeah. I think the investigation into the emails, I think that in the middle of the— That was brutal. That was crazy.

Starting point is 01:52:54 What I'm getting at is that I think that that's—especially for an older politician, somebody like Biden, how many decades of his life was he able to buy any video footage that was gonna cause him any problems he just fucking squashed that two or three and now it's like they did nothing dude you just slip and fall going viral buddy anything you could do about it also who's letting him walk up that fucking stair without having a catcher behind it come on I would have some giant dudes big ol fucking linemen because if he's going down the stairs and you got slippery shoes on that's a fucking precarious catch yeah and you know you got a hundred eighty pound man

Starting point is 01:53:33 who stumbles and he falls backwards like yeah that's the fucking president don't just let him walk up that thing on his own with slippery shoes on after he fell the third time why did they let him keep doing that? I think maybe it was some of Gerald Ford's family was hoping he'd break the record Well, that's old next you gonna do a Nixon impression Oh God, yeah Yeah, it's um It's all the whole thing was very eye opening, I think. And I think that also led to Trump destroying in the election. That probably has a lot to do with it.

Starting point is 01:54:14 I mentioned before they closed that White Elephant store, but they closed so many bars in the town. I was thrilled that my favorite bar,uzi's is still around but I had a closed sign on it when apparently like the plumbing above it leaked and I thought they were gone too because it was closed down for them to fix that in the middle of COVID and it was just like god damn it's like we lost so many things in that town that were just little mom-and-pop outfits and just comes in and gets replaced with like Target. Yeah. And like you come to a city

Starting point is 01:54:47 like this and you still got little shops that do well, little cafes and whatnot. But I live out in I live in a city but around it's a bunch of farm country and there's like the place in Davenport that had these great milkshakes. You can't fucking go there no more. They're closed. They're gone. And it's a bunch of places like I've been around for generations And it didn't have to happen that way And if you want to be real cynical the people that are the real progressive leftists that you should be cynical about that because it was the biggest Transfer of wealth in the history of the United States the lower class lower and middle class lost three point nine billion dollars

Starting point is 01:55:24 Or trillion was a trillion was the transfer? It might have been trillion. I think it was like $3.9 trillion over the over the course of the pandemic. And then that money was transferred to the the wealthiest people gained that money. How? What happened stocks, mutual funds? What What magic are you doing? You basically stole money. Like something happened and through your policies you enabled the wealthiest people to get way wealthier and the poorer people to get way poorer. It's like 3.9 trillion, is that correct? The transfer of wealth. I know, I'm looking at an article in 2022. I didn't see anything new. Yeah, it's a newer one They they were talking about it really recently. They were talking about it like mirrors exactly

Starting point is 01:56:10 Something in there two trillion. I see. Hmm. What year is that? Either way, let's just let's be conservative and say it's three trillion That's a crazy amount of money that gets transferred and no one is like freaked out that this was by policies And this is by keeping everybody's business shut down You could basically just take over because people still need to buy stuff and then these big companies that people have stock in Did they the stock goes way up and then everybody gets wealthier? This is kind of nuts. Well that the progressives are outraged that in this idea that it was protecting your health But how are you sure? Did you look at the data because it doesn't seem like it was over several decades

Starting point is 01:56:51 This says it was 50 trillion 50 trillion from the bottom 90% and that's made the US less secure Yeah for fucking for sure it does but the is, yachts aren't cheap, bro. I'm not looking at them yet. But maybe next we want to put in an order for one of them supersonic jets. You got to have some chatter. My time to take over a small country. Or two. Yeah. Or two. Yeah. It's pretty wild. The things that were lost during COVID were, in my mind, one of the biggest things was the trust in the scientific community that they're being honest. And I, again, I like science.

Starting point is 01:57:34 I like science a lot. And I don't, I think that just like most activists and most anything, like when you look online and you see a transgender person is making a complete ass of themselves, that's generally speaking not indicative of the way transgender people are, even on the fucking internet, man. Otherwise you wouldn't be seeing that person, right? But with everything. With everything. With cops, with teachers, with... You see some crazy teachers saying nutty things in front of the class? Yes. A small percentage, a tiny... Yeah, it's a problem. It's a problem. But it's not all teachers. No, but when it's science, the deal is,

Starting point is 01:58:06 is that science fact checks itself. Like these guys all throw rocks at each other. They write a paper and other guys are trying to rip it apart and prove them wrong and okay. So in that environment, it requires an acceptance for this kind of shit to fly. For them to be able to repeatedly lie in peer review journals requires their peers to not review the fucking papers.

Starting point is 01:58:31 That's really the only way that can happen. And that happens so much. Like, it's still the medical community's fault. The Clovis first thing, which was another thing that Flint pushed back against. But obviously there's a lot of receipts. That guy almost lost his career, was shunned by science, and he was right. And mainstream archaeologists tore that guy apart

Starting point is 01:58:54 with personal attacks. They tried to destroy his reputation, destroy his career, because they didn't want to be proven wrong. Tom Dillehay was the guy who- Explain the whole thing to people so they don't know it. Absolutely. Clovis first is the theory that the first people in the Americas came over the Bering Land Bridge like 14-15,000 years ago and they used the Clovis points and this was the first American humans. Before that there was no people here. Now they started finding sites 30,000 years

Starting point is 01:59:23 old, 25,000 years old, and they started fucking with that narrative and archaeologists were for the most part pushing heavily against it. There were a few scientists that would make the finds and that they would fight for them. Now one, eventually it's been overturned. Now that Clovis first is not the narrative anymore. They're not really sure exactly who got here first. They know the Bering land bridge was part of it, but they also think there was some people from the probably from the ocean in South America and who knows for sure. It's up in the air. They're not so certain anymore. But the Clovis first debate, it was so bad that the guy that won it basically a site in Chile called Monte Verde was the site that eventually he had a bunch

Starting point is 02:00:05 of people there. They looked at the site and when they left, they were convinced that that was the end of the debate for all intents and purposes. There's still a few holdouts. How old was Monte Verde estimated to be? 30,000 years, I think, 27,000, right in there. The guy that discovered that site and was excavating it, Tom Dillehay, was living in Chile under the time that Pinochet was in charge of Chile.

Starting point is 02:00:30 One of his colleagues, there's video of this, I use this clip frequently, one of his colleagues called the state newspaper and said Monte Verde is a CIA planted site in order to get him down into Chile. His wife and kids are there. They fucking threatened his life over. This is the archaeologist version of swatting. Whoa. Yeah, I should you know, the videos all over the I use this clip frequently. He he basically threatened his life straight up. He had letters to people saying that he wasn't a real scientist that he did is this Dilla Hay explaining this?

Starting point is 02:01:05 No, yeah, Tom Dilla Hay explaining this if Jamie could find it. What would the village video be? You have to go on Google Tom Dilla Hay Interview will probably do it D-I-L-L-E-H-A-Y Sorry, I should have I should have had that one peg cuz I use this clip. I probably use it ten times Not one of those Maybe put our archaeology with it because he's talking to another archaeologist Challenging Clovis first.

Starting point is 02:01:45 Here, I'll will. Archaeologists threaten one of their own over Clovis first? Is that it? No, it's only... there's me. That would actually have to quit. Okay, play that then. Archaeologist Tom Dillehay was instrumental in overturning Clovis first with his excavations at Monte Verde, but this caused him to have his life threatened by his own colleagues. His excavations were done in Chile during the reign of the ruthless dictator Pinochet. Clovis I was hotly debated amongst archaeologists at the time, and one of them decided to use

Starting point is 02:02:16 Pinochet as a means to silence Tom. Moved down to Chile during the dictatorship years of Pinochet. So I was opening up anthropology department. So politically it was difficult at that time. And another colleague who sent a letter to the newspaper in Chile, one of the major newspapers saying that Monteverdi was creation of the CIA to plant me down there. And you know, that puts you and your family in a dangerous situation in a country like that at that time

Starting point is 02:02:46 Seems to me like the archaeologist version of swatting someone there's a small Minority of people who would do anything and in their power to defend their paradigm Yeah, that's it. That's fucking what's crazy That is that's what if that guy got murdered, would they be happy with it? If they took him and publicly executed him because they said he was a CIA spy? I'd like to say no, but I mean, would they be happy? That's such a psychotic thing to do to someone just because but you know, these people like everything that they identify as is the expert in this particular field. And they'll try to pretend, Flint

Starting point is 02:03:25 tried to pretend that that was no big deal. That was a one-off, you know scientific debates happen and a lot of guys will say oh yeah that that Clovis first it was bad but we don't usually do that. Before Clovis first there was the Folsom first debate. The idea that the Folsom people were the first ones here and if you found anything older than I think 7,000 years or 3, whatever it was, anything older than a Folsom culture thing, it was bullshit and you couldn't have a feel. It's on Wikipedia still. You could read about there's a couple of guys that basically formed a guard and didn't let anything get past that point until eventually the Clovis first thing is it's not the first time this is standard operating procedure created paradigm defend it with life and death there's a guy named Max Planck he

Starting point is 02:04:11 was a Nobel Prize winning physicist and he has Planck's principle it's known as and it is science does not progress one discovery at a time it progresses one funeral at a time and this is funeral at a time. Ooh. And this is a Nobel Prize-winning physicist that said that, not Graham Hancock. So it's fucking pretty hefty to think about that. People are people, man. Yeah. Put us on the moon, you're going to have people on the moon. Exactly.

Starting point is 02:04:38 Same fucking problems. People on Mars. Someone's going to make a sex cult on Mars. It'll be a great one. Yeah, the first people will be like, look, I'm the fucking king of Mars, bitch. I'm running it now. That's gonna make a sex cult on Mars. First people will be like, look, I'm the fucking king of Mars, bitch. I'm running it now. It's just humans. And unfortunately, even humans that are attached to what we think of as these ego-less pursuits like science. The ego fucks up even science.

Starting point is 02:05:02 But that's where it does frustrate me because if you take that job, it's like, okay, anytime if me and you get in a fight, it's going to be, you know, it's aggressive and you like you get worked up and you get emotional. But if you're become a cop, I expect you to fucking know that and roll that shit back. Right. I expected and it's the same thing with the scientists. I expect you to recognize that and roll that shit back Yeah, roll that shit back. That's your job

Starting point is 02:05:27 That's your job tell us what the truth is and if you lie It doesn't mean that all that truth that you told in the past is now accurate. It just means you suck That's all it means So if you're a really good scientist you say this is what we thought This is what we know now and this is really amazing And so I was wrong all these books that I wrote stop buying them folks I'm gonna have to write a new book. They don't ever want to say that They never want to think that those lectures that they taught that those were inaccurate and that their whole lot

Starting point is 02:05:57 They they would be a mockery. They really would because those scientists are fucking vicious They're so vicious after each other They attack each other because they all want to be the fucking smartest guy in the room. And when anybody, oh, Mike, Mike's a fucking moron. Mike thinks that, you heard him talk about Fauci the way Kary Mullis talked about, that's how they talk about each other.

Starting point is 02:06:16 That's exactly how they talk about it. He doesn't know anything, I'd say it right to his face. It's just natural human aggression that's transferred into this field that we think of purely academic and quite frequently These people are like I said earlier a little emotionally off a little socially or bullied bullied their whole life now All of a sudden they get to be the bully which is one of the things that does happen. It's the revenge of the nerds You're right. That's what revenge of the nerds is it is it's like finally that we get our turn to be mean

Starting point is 02:06:42 That's what Revenge of the Nerds is. It's like, finally, we get our turn to be mean. Didn't we not learn anything? This is how wars get started, people. This is how people wind up killing people, because you other the other. By the way, when I drew the parallel about us fighting, I don't want a picture of me next to Shane Gillis. Thank you very much. I'm good. Don't need that.

Starting point is 02:07:01 The whole idea of the truth is what we all should be pursuing and it's just really unfortunate that people are attached to these things that they've said for so long, so much that they're willing to go out of their way to prove someone inaccurate when they are accurate. And the Clovis first thing is one of the better examples of that. And now that there's irrefutable evidence, like the footprints that they found in New Mexico that have seeds in them that are 22 plus thousand years old. White sands, yes. Yeah, well, OK, it's out the window now.

Starting point is 02:07:34 We don't, you don't know. How about now? We don't know. We don't know how people got here. We don't know how long they've been here. Quit trying to find a clear answer and keep investigating. Right, especially when we

Starting point is 02:07:45 know South America had life had all these humans living in South America like why wouldn't they move up to North America like why would that be weird like what's the oldest known people in South America what's the older I'm not to be honest I'm not sure the whole Amazon things got to throw that a big old monkey wrench of that well they recently you know who Thordall was, the guy that did like the Contiki voyage to prove that you could cross the ocean in a raft and all that shit? Right. Yeah.

Starting point is 02:08:13 He's an archaeologist. And now he pointed out that on Easter Island that the platform that the biggest, oldest, whatever Moai or whatever they're called, that platform, the polygonal masonry strongly resembled what he saw in Peru, to the point where he hypothesized that these were connected. And this was just mocked by archaeologists for the longest time. Now not only do they have genetic evidence in the form of human DNA with a solid genetic drift from South America heading out into Polynesia as well. But Easter Island has breadfruit, has ginger, and a couple of sweet potato.

Starting point is 02:08:52 It's got food from both Asia and South America and the oldest habited layers that they found. So like they've very, and that's scientifically. What is the oldest habited layer? It's like, I wanna say like 1200 or 1800 years ago. It's not real real old but it's old enough that like the oldest place that they've excavated and found that the first people, it looks like the first people that showed up there came there from Asia and South America already they've been connected to both. What was the

Starting point is 02:09:19 evidence of cocaine and mummies? Was that bullshit? I'm not sure about that. I've it's one of the things that every time I look into it, I, the data is kind of threadbare and as a skeptical guy and a guy who's had his share of time in bars and bathrooms, um, did you ever have strong, much stronger feeling that there was some anthropologist in the 70s was just doing a fucking bump? I'm sorry. That's way, smoking a cigarette and doing a bump on a sarcophagus is way more likely than, that's just to me, but I could be wrong. Yeah, and if you're doing coke, you might want to put a little coke on the mummy.

Starting point is 02:09:55 I'm gonna do a coke off this fucking mummy's nose. Oh, fuck yeah. Do a bumper out this cum, he's always supposed to smoke his face. You're coke dead in your mind, and you're doing archeology, and it's the 70s, and no one is looking over your shoulder Yeah, you're a wild fucking Indiana Jones type coke head Fuck there's already people with the AI fucking artwork out trying to make sure What was the evidence see if you can find what the evidence for cocaine in?

Starting point is 02:10:23 Egyptian mummies was. There's a guy, a Russian scientist, that said he found some in 1992, 90s. Look, I found coke! He's like, he's doing blow. He's doing blow, they bust him. I found cocaine! It was in the mummy, I don't know. Yeah. Definitely not my cocaine cocaine hashish and nicotine in the hair of henna tau tau tau well cocaine has nicotine

Starting point is 02:10:53 Okay German toxicologist Svetlana Balaban over Discovered traces of cocaine hashish and nicotine on herout Toi's hair, as well as on the hair of several other mummies of the museum, which is significant and the only source for cocaine and nicotine had at that time been considered to be the cocoa and tobacco plants native to the Americas, and were not thought to have been present in Africa until after Columbus' voyage to the Americas. The result was interpreted by theorists and supporters of contacts between pre-Columbian people and ancient Egyptians as a proof for their claims.

Starting point is 02:11:34 The findings are controversial because while other researchers have also detected the presence of cocaine and nicotine in Egyptian mummies, two successive analysis of the other groups of Egyptian mummies in human remains failed to fully reproduce Balabanova's results and some showing positive results only for nicotine. But even that is interesting, right? Well yeah. And then the next slide actually basically says what I just did. After these experiments, even assuming that cocaine was actually found on the mummies,

Starting point is 02:12:02 it is possible that this could be contamination. Yeah, it says that it says even assuming that cocaine which actually found the mummies could be contamination which occurred after discovery of the mummies the same argument could be applied to nicotine but in addition various plants other than tobacco are a source of nicotine and two of these of nicotine and two of these with the any some Nefera and Appium Graviolens sorry to be used by the ancient Egyptians okay so they did have some sort of nicotine plant that was 92 2007 researchers in Peru may have also found some in Incan mummies but Incan mummies are that's um that's there Yeah, that's where cocaine is if it was actual cocaine

Starting point is 02:12:51 That would be crazy if there was like if it was not just coca plant But I like a little baggie for the future Aliens please come back Little vile they tucked away with him in his grave. We've done everything we could to get them aliens back. We're going to process some of that shit. Come on, boys. It would be fascinating if we actually

Starting point is 02:13:12 could prove that somehow and other people from South America had made their way to Egypt and back and forth. And another interesting argument for that was always the Olmecs. Like, they look Polynesian or African. They don't necessarily look like they're from South America. Yeah. And there's a there's a lot of the arguments that were made by those guys I brought up earlier that were back in the 1860s. They were one of them was big into linguists and linguistics and he made all these language models and stuff as to why that Maya was the first or proto language

Starting point is 02:13:46 that was all these other ones were built on. The other dude was really into iconography. I'm sure you've seen some of the symbols that like you see around the world like the that girl that's sitting on the the lions and the master of beast symbols. Yeah yeah things like that that you know it's it's not these aren't- You can get to me to pull that up. Oh, sorry Yeah, I look up a master of beasts Like I guess sorry, uh, you're gonna find some cartoon That did more testing that says that there might have been cocaine and up to eight bodies Well, it'll multiple testing. Yeah, if you're living in Egypt, you're gonna get some coke if you've got that kind of cheddar

Starting point is 02:14:26 You know, I mean if you got like gold headdresses and what's the ultimate thing to have coke, you know Clearly clearly you're trying to get more women's right got some guy who's coming over from South America Coases they did in the wake of controversy. They use radio immunacy gas chromatography a master spectrometry and all of those got the same results. All bone, soft tissue, and hair contained traces of the drug ruling out possibility of external. Oh, okay, so they did have cocaine.

Starting point is 02:14:54 Okay, well there you go. Now you got some weird shit. That's still enough, it's accurate though. Why not look into this? Let's just slam the book and say it's accurate, Jamie. For the sake of arguing. Master of beasts. Yeah, master of beasts. Yeah, master of beasts.

Starting point is 02:15:06 If you look up like ancient symbol or hopefully that'll bring it up. I forget. Is that He-Man? Master of the universe. I have the power. God damn, we're getting old today with the references. Sorry young guys. Yeah, we are.

Starting point is 02:15:23 Gerald Ford and He-Man. That's it. he man that's it yeah that's it so that exists all over the world that's that type of iconography of usually a woman but sometimes a man all the way back into like Kara Hayek Turkey like one of those go Peckley Tepe type of sites has has this symbol and that type of symbol. You let me look at that. Master of animals one, the Wikipedia one in the middle.

Starting point is 02:15:51 The gray one. Yeah, right there where your cursor just was Jamie. No, the one where your cursor was, sorry. Above that, that's cool too. But above that, that one. What's that one from? I don't know. Wild.

Starting point is 02:16:04 I know, it is crazy. Cause it looks like it's got two monsters next to her. That image that we were just looking on. There it is. There it is right there. Like what the fuck is that? What are those things next to her? They look like some kind of lion lizard hybrid. But look, they have like lizard tongues. Snake? Yeah, it's tough to say. I mean, obviously, I have a snake in my feet. A tail and wings.

Starting point is 02:16:29 Yeah. They have wings. Like, what the fuck is that? And why does that exist all over the world? That's really where, like, it's an interesting thing that when you see that kind of iconography, it's not the argument of, well, a nail looks like a nail anywhere because you invented a nail That falls apart because you're this is just symbols, right? This is just symbolism

Starting point is 02:16:52 So that was implies some contact right? Shows up way long ago. Yeah, and why yeah, how is that getting all around the world? Clearly people are bringing it. I'll see that's what there's one place just because I don't that getting all around the world? Clearly people are bringing it. Now see that's what there's one place just because I don't necessarily ascribe to lost technology or ancient high technology. I don't get me wrong when it comes to like the lost civilization I'm very much of the opinion that there was a civilization from before 12,000 years ago that got wiped out by some sort of cataclysm. I don't think that it was, I don't think that they had like real high technology, but it wouldn't have taken

Starting point is 02:17:28 much technology for them to appear better than their contemporaries. And we see evidence for that today too, which is a really good point. People say, how is it possible that the rest of the world could have been so far behind? Well, they were. First of all, with the Egyptians, they definitely were. Exactly. Definitely. Like proven, everybody else was way far behind them. But even today, Well, they were okay first of all with the Egyptians. They definitely were exactly definitely Proven everybody else was way far behind them, but even today my friend Paul Rosalie He lives in the Amazon

Starting point is 02:17:51 He's like he protects rainforests and hires these people that used to be loggers to now protect the rainforest and amazing guy He just filmed the other day an uncontacted tribe just the other day. There's uncontacted tribes all throughout there. They're completely naked and they're living as an assistance lifestyle in the Amazon forest. Who knows what their fucking language is? Who knows what their culture is about? But this is a completely uncontacted tribe that exists today along with us with AI on our smartphones.

Starting point is 02:18:23 Same time period. So the idea that this couldn't exist at other parts of the world in the past, no, it fucking for sure could. By the way, it fucking did in the 1800s when settlers were making their way across the United States. Dude, the sun never sets on the British Empire was because Europe was hop skipping a jump

Starting point is 02:18:43 ahead of the rest of the world when it came to sailing and conquering people. And that's I mean, are you about whether that's good or bad or whatever, but it just existed. It existed. We're talking about the abilities. It's they were they were better at it. And in the United States is the best example. And in what what was going on when settlers came from Europe and making their way across the country They were encountering Stone Age tribes. Yeah Yes, a hundred percent stone age. They were using stone tools. They were using flint arrowheads

Starting point is 02:19:12 There was a couple of people that had copper, but they weren't being they weren't making weapons by a large. Right? They were making like jewelry and stuff. Yeah, it's pretty crazy it's it's pretty crazy, but it's just a natural function of how human beings adapt to their environment. And it seems that the Nile Valley in Egypt was an abundant, rich environment that had so much resources that allow those people to stay there and thrive for thousands of years. And if you think of the area being a green Sahara, and then it slowly gets smaller, that Nile Delta would explain that

Starting point is 02:19:45 concentration of people and ideas and stuff because you've got what would once spread out across a large area being all shoved together and making it almost a proto city type of thing or whatever. Yeah, I'm of the opinion that whatever the lost civilization was, I'm of the opinion that they were really good at seafaring, which made that they were really good at seafaring which made that they were really good at astronomy and I put to myself I think that like the handbag symbol I think that that's a symbol of their ability to I think like that it is a symbol for a day like we were talking about before on that pillar to go Beckley Tepe that there's three of those handbags and he says each one is it's actually a sunrise. It's a why why is the handbag a sunrise? It's a it's a the ground and it's a sun.

Starting point is 02:20:30 It's not an actual handbag. It's a it's a ground and could you look up go back like TEPA pillar 43. Sorry Jamie thank you. In that case it looks less like a handbag because there's nobody holding it. But in this case, Dr. Martin Swetman's done the work and it looks like it's three different days he hasn't symbolized that. So going with that, you see that three handbags there, each one with an animal next to it, he believes that that's denoting the... So not a handbag, but the arc of the sun over the earth. Yes.

Starting point is 02:21:06 So when somebody's holding one of those, I think that it's a symbol for a knowledge of astronomy that most people don't have. Oh. That kind of knowledge. So the astronomers are the people holding the handbags. That's what I think. They're the ones who explain to you the cycles of time. And they're the ones that were capable of seafarers.

Starting point is 02:21:24 They were the ones that when they would show up, they would have the same teamwork, the same ability to work with ropes and all that shit they could use to move megaliths. The same mathematics or an extension of it. It's the kind of thing that would be easier for them to move a big rock with a team of guys that have worked together working on boats than it would be for them to move a big rock with a team of people that have worked together working on boats, then it would be for them to move a big rock with a team of people who have never done anything like that before. And that would also explain why a lot of times these are lined up with stars and shit like that because astronomy will be very important to them. So that's, I do

Starting point is 02:21:55 think that there was a lot of civilization. I mean, even simple shit like the bow and arrow in all honesty, if you think about how complicated that would be to effectively create all the way, it's like it's easy for a dude to figure out the tension, but building a flight and an arrow that's like weighted, it's way different than a spear. It's being launched from the back, not the center. So you can't just transfer it over. This is requiring multiple people over multiple generations, in my opinion.

Starting point is 02:22:19 I think that the fact that we see it all over the fucking planet, it says something. Probably people were traveling. Yeah, that's no fucking planet it says something that probably people were traveling Yeah, that's no it's not something that people would figure out on their own everywhere now that we have our models, too Right. Yeah, and people figured those ones out. So but that seems like a more simple. Yeah, it's a lot simpler Yeah, why isn't that everywhere? So the bow and arrow probably was but the bow and arrow supplanted it and it was only kept where you really needed the penetrating power of the atlatl. Right. So that's again, this is all just spitballing, but we don't know for sure.

Starting point is 02:22:49 I could say that I do, but I don't. It's just so it's so interesting. Really so interesting because the concept of if these mummies that show cocaine really are proof that somehow or another someone came from the Americas with cocaine and made their way to Egypt, boy boy that throws the whole thing Throws a monkey wrench into the whole gears of our timeline of civilization. Oh, man. How are they doing that? How'd they get over there? And it's so fucking far and a knocky taxi cab service Based off of what you're saying with like it's a time measuring tool. Mm-hmm I'm looking for more examples of it. This is a very interesting explanation

Starting point is 02:23:28 I don't know if it's accurate. Hopefully you can shed some light on it. Does this make any sense what it's saying about a Water clock. Yeah, so baboon because there's a Dammit, I can pull it up in a second. No, it's okay. Let's just reading this looks like a basket What is this from? What is this where you get this? Reddit? Reddit yeah it's a post about Reddit. So I'm explaining what this is. The hieroglyph depicts one form of something called a water clock or say that word. Klebsiege. Klebsiege hydrologia which was used to tell the time by the drainage of water through a small hole. The item associated with Thoth due to its use as a measuring tool and thus miniature versions

Starting point is 02:24:11 or models made of, what's that word, phiance? What's that word? I don't know, phiance? Sorry. Often had baboons incorporated into their structure. It said that Horopolo in Hieroglyphica, that it was traditional to allow water to drain out of a hole in the baboon's genitalia because the baboon apparently cries and urinates 12 times a day on the equinoxes. So you just like force feed water into a baboon to figure out what time it is? Sacronized clocks. He's just howling, oh it's time to go to eat.

Starting point is 02:24:47 Monkey's howling. Regardless of the exact reason, the hole was indeed sometimes placed at the end of the baboon's penis. Model non-functional versions of the water clock often mimic the shape of the hieroglyph itself, similar to the Maat figurine and may have been used in offering rituals. See if you can find one of those figurines. So that's a water clock built on the idea and the water clock, the water comes out of the baboon's penis. And I know that the ancient Egyptians like would measure time

Starting point is 02:25:21 during the evening hours with water clocks like that. They would have people tasked with keeping time for the area. Oh, look at that. It's a baboon water clock. The water comes, it drips out of his dick and when all the water, so it's like a sort of like an hourglass. Yeah, but it's the baboons dick. That's crazy. That is, that's impressive. I found out something new today. Yeah, me too. That makes it worth it. Below that pillar there's Sean. I think someone else new today. Yeah, me too. That makes it worth it. Right below that pillar there, I think someone else has explained to us

Starting point is 02:25:47 that those are like, they think that's the time, like calendar, those are days or months or something like that. If all this is time. Yes, that's, so he, what Dr. Martin Swetman thinks is those three handbags there are three of the cardinal points, like two equinoxes and one solstice, I think, and then the condor down there holding the sun is what he believes.

Starting point is 02:26:11 He believes that's Sagittarius and that it's basically denoting that the fourth cardinal point of the year and that all those other marks add up to the squares are a month, the V's are days and at the end of a according to his interpretation, it's when he thinks of it's a recording of the time that the asteroid hit, the younger dry ice impact. And his he's wrote two scientific papers on it. He's come under a lot of fire for it. But the shocker, the majority of the fire is really funny. It's like, okay, he's, he's a chemical engineer. And so he's a mathematician by trade, he's a number cruncher.

Starting point is 02:26:52 And so the first thing everybody says, ah, Dave's not an archaeology, you got a fucking number cruncher in here. It's like, the field of archaeo astronomy, as it's called, was first officially recognized because of the work of a guy named Alexander Thom. He's the one that was like plotting out a bunch of shit in England and whatnot, right? And seeing that this lines up with that, it looks like the ancients would stand here to look there. He predicted that they would find a viewing platform at a certain site. He's like, they stood up on the side of that hill, I'll bet you find a platform there. They found that platform and now it was he's starting to do some science here

Starting point is 02:27:27 He's making predictions and they're coming true This guy was an engineer not a chemical engineer. He's a construction engineer, but he had fuck all to do with archaeology This is very common. If you look at the teams that make up Archaeoastronomy expeditions, it's usually an astronomer an up archaeoastronomy expeditions. It's usually an astronomer, an archaeologist, and then somebody who's just a math whiz. He's really, really, he's way above the pay grade on either one of these guys when it comes to number crunching. That's generally speaking the teams that make these things up. So when they go beating at this guy, right, that betrays, they don't even know what this fucking field and it's of course, these are all scientists and historians by and large that are doing that.

Starting point is 02:28:04 So it's really hilarious. It's like you guys are, you don't even look, you don't even open the goddamn book. One of them famously or infamously to me because I drag him for it frequently said, if it looks like a duck, if it walks like a duck, well I hope you understand. And it's like, well I understand between us talking, but I do not fucking understand that for a scientist Fuck you on that if you're if your job is to test chemicals to figure out which one does what you don't say Well, it kind of looks like this one. So I'll skip it. You fucking test each one same thing here Hypothesis comes at you. You don't get to be like well

Starting point is 02:28:37 It kind of resembles the one that that one kook came up with will reject it you test it or you don't call it science You call it guesswork. Well, it's also really interesting in regards to Gobekli Tepe that they've essentially put a giant halt on the amount of excavations being done there. And they've even planted trees over the areas that have not been excavated yet. Yeah, they've done, yeah, some of the tree footage that I've seen is just abhorrent. And isn't the trees a protected species of tree? Yep.

Starting point is 02:29:09 So you can't cut them down. Can't cut them down. Which is like, why would you do that? Why would you do that over one of the most important historical sites in human history? Well, the guy that did it, he owns the site, right? And then they find it, and now he's trying to sell it. Or not trying to sell it, excuse me. The government comes like 10 years later and tells them that they're

Starting point is 02:29:27 going to buy it. And it's just like if you're like, if the government's going to build a highway doesn't matter how much you're you paid for your home, doesn't matter what you got on your property, they're going to come and look at it and they have an equation form. And that's all that matters. The swimming pool is not on that form. Fucking swimming pool doesn't get paid for. Well, on this farmland, adding olive trees made that an orchard instead of basically arid farmland. Made it more valuable. Made it more valuable. But what's funny about this is like we talk about the arguments against this stuff and how stupid it is. Okay, Jim points out that these trees are a problem. And since it's Jim and Jim is fucking public enemy number one to archaeologists but I'm

Starting point is 02:30:08 coming to get you Jim it's gonna be my spot soon. But anyway since since Jim is fucking hated by these guys it doesn't matter. There is tons of documentation on with a problem with having tree roots above a site all the way from contamination for different microbes to they use a certain species of snail in Europe to determine certain dates and Tree roots that punch right through that shit and introduce that snail to places. It shouldn't be right Tree roots will if they're one of those enclosures that go Beckley tepee is filled with water had a well in it All those roots are screaming down that thing and just blowing it to shit. It's gone. So there's a number of things archaeologists,

Starting point is 02:30:50 everything I just told you, that's shit archaeologists say. I learned all that from reading papers about what the problem that tree roots can cause to archaeological sites. Because everybody knows they cause, at least all the construction guys know they cause problems with foundations. But they don't care. They'll argue all day, oh, those tree roots aren't so bad. That's a protective. It's not such a big, it's all because Jim mentioned it. Had Flint mentioned it first, they would be all up in arms about taking that, taking care

Starting point is 02:31:13 of those trees. It's, it's so clearly red Rover, red Rover. It's all about teams. It's just, it's just stupid at a point where it's just, it's reprehensible in times to be honest with you. It's just shocking that steps haven't been taken to mitigate that when you consider that this is one of the most important archaeological sites ever. So it threw the monkey wrench into the whole idea that people were capable of building stuff like that only around 6,000 years ago. Yeah, it blasted that on its ear.

Starting point is 02:31:46 Like you were saying earlier, I remember, it drives me nuts because I can't find the clip, but I remember seeing it years ago of Graham talking to somebody and the guy saying, show me the civilization. Yeah, that was with Zowie Hawass, and there was another archeologist, the guy with glasses. Yeah, that's the one I was seeing. And he another archaeologist, the guy with glasses. Yeah, that's he

Starting point is 02:32:05 was saying it openly dismissive in the most disgusting way. Where's the evidence? Yeah, then they find it. But back in those days, the the standard operating model for humans becoming from hunter gatherer hunter gatherers to civilization was you were had to start farming, and then you created a surplus of food and once you had enough of a surplus of food for long enough you started to have these ruling classes emerge you get your astronomers and your priests and your shamans and all these guys don't want to work and so pretty soon you get these cities going and shit but

Starting point is 02:32:41 this can only happen we have a huge surplus of food because that's obviously just wasted labor we'll go back Lee Tepe really threw that on it's ear because there ain't no This can only happen. We have a huge surplus of food because that's obviously just wasted labor We'll go back Lee Tepe really threw that on it's here because there ain't no goddamn farming right then It's the beginnings of it ain't no there ain't no surplus of food there There's I mean, there's no surplus of human created food You might be finding lots of animal bones and shit, but it wasn't like they grew a bunch of food So it completely destroyed that entire narrative and that's the part that because it's a Graham one too because they know it was intentionally covered up 11,000 years ago.

Starting point is 02:33:29 That one's wild. That's wild. That's one thing it's been pushed back on a lot, but it does look like, there's papers published both ways, but it does look like, last I saw, it does look like the consensus is it was buried deliberately. What's the pushback? The sides of the hill would like collapse into the thing and so that they would just eventually just kind of push some more of

Starting point is 02:33:50 it in there and just leveled it out so they could use the area because it was a bunch of holes in the ground. You couldn't walk your donkeys over anything. I know it's a little like a lot of work. There's a lot of areas around that you can walk your donkey. Yeah, it's not like the whole area. Yeah, I agree. I think they go back to Tepé, like any of those. I don't think. I'm well aware. Just like the, because Jimmy's involved with it. Anything Graham Hancock touches, those guys, they're gonna poo poo. They're just gonna dismiss it. Right. And it's sad because like he is, them hitting him with the racist thing in particular,

Starting point is 02:34:28 that's good, you know Graham, that hits him. That fucking hurts him. He's very sensitive. And that kind of shit, man, there are people that are Atlantis hunters today. There's the guy, Robert Zafir, I hate to say his name even, but I will because he needs to be put on blast

Starting point is 02:34:45 a bit. This guy is, he's an Atlantis bro. He thinks that the DNA story that we've been told out of Africa is wrong. Okay, fine, whatever. Where the rubber hits the road is when he starts seeing, he'll show like pictures of like old school anthropological models of protoans that are real dark skin and big hair coming out and looking half monkey, half man. And then he'll say, there's no way that this could come from the same stock and then

Starting point is 02:35:12 show like a little six-year-old Danish girl with perfect fucking big blue eyes. And this is this kind of constant digs at Africans, not out of Africa, but at Africa. All these different species bred with different hominids, and these guys bred with the stupid ones, and these other guys bred with smart ones, and these guys bred with strong ones. It's very, it's racist, for lack of a better term. It might not even be what you would consider white supremacist, but it's definitely a when you're done with if you were to take everything He said and accept it you would walk away thinking that different Groups of humans are clearly better than each other genetically fucking hands down and you can judge it based on skin

Starting point is 02:35:58 So that is racist, right? What does that have to Atlantis? Well, he's believes that Atlantis was like the people that spread the ideas around and stuff. Kind of the same stuff I was saying earlier about that Ignatius Donnelly guy. So he is what you would think. He's got 300,000 subscribers or so on YouTube. He's not a nobody. So you would think he's the guy that these guys would be poking at for being a fucking racist.

Starting point is 02:36:21 But they don't. And there's a real big reason why they almost never do. There's like two people with any following at all that have letters next to their name that have taken shots at this guy on YouTube. And the reason is, he is what they actually claim Graham is. So it's like, if you have somebody that's complaining about a trans activist, the one that's screaming screaming call me ma'am That's what they're trying to say Graham is but actually that's what Robert is Graham's just would be standing there being like hey

Starting point is 02:36:52 How's it going so the problem is if you pay attention to that guy and you see the real racist then it doesn't work What you call grammar is that you can't call him a racist anymore. Yeah, yeah, and so they also they probably don't want to give him Any attention well they don't they've given my 10th. They talk about him They do they just like I said probably don't want to give him any attention Well, they don't they've gave him a 10 they talk about him They do they just like I said, I didn't want to mention his name And I know I'm gonna get people yelling at me about saying that but it's the stuff that he puts out is very clearly If you were to like it if you take it all on board It would be very you would be a racist if you were to just accept it all you'd be like me Well, that guy's black. He's just not as smart as me. Sorry fuck. There's a clip for you Flint. Have fun with that

Starting point is 02:37:25 so the the One of the things that I saw on your channel in regards to Atlantis was this alloy Hmm that they found these ingots they found this Collium something like that something and it's a combination of zinc and what, uh, is it sinking copper and, um, silver, I think it was like, it's thinking mostly sinking copper. Maybe it was a tiny bit of silver. And it might've just been sinking copper. And they, they have found shipwrecks that have this stuff in it.

Starting point is 02:38:02 And it was written about before too, like, uh, like it wasn't just written about with Atlantis. Like they'd written about it. It was metal that the Greeks used. It was basically from one little mountain region. I have one of your videos that I was watching yesterday. I can find it. Send it to Jamie. Did you find it Jamie?

Starting point is 02:38:20 Yes, that's it. That's the word. How do you say that word? Orocalium. Orocalium metal ingots. Calicum maybe. Recovered from shipwreck off Sicily. Yup, that's it. That's the word. Yep. How do you say that word or a callium or a callium metal in Calicum? Maybe I don't know covered from shipwreck off Sicily. Yep. That's it. So this was an early Version of a metal that they had created. Yeah Well, they think that it might be an alloy that was found but they

Starting point is 02:38:40 That it was like a naturally occurring copper that way They're not a% I believe. But you can make it. We could, yes. As an alloy. We could, yes. And what's interesting is it does talk about that in... Can you scroll up a little bit, I'm just going to read that. It says, today most scholars agree that orcalium is a brass-like alloy which was made in antiquity by cementation. The process

Starting point is 02:39:06 was achieved with the reaction of zinc ore, charcoal, and copper metal in a crucible. Analyzed by x-ray, how's that, fluorescence? With x-ray fluorescence? Fluorescence? Fluorescence. By Dario Panetta of TQ Technologies for Quality, the 39 ingots turned to be an alloy made with 75 to 80 percent copper 15 20 percent zinc and small percentages of nickel lead and iron what would be the benefit of that alloy? It was Considered like beautiful like gold but cheaper easier to get And second only to golden value was found in and mined in many

Starting point is 02:39:46 parts of legendary Atlantis in ancient times. Yeah, they said that the temple walls in Atlantis were supposed to have been covered with that stuff. But that's where, you know, myself and I know this, I think that there's a really good chance that a lot of the evidence that we have, a lot of the written records, the myths and stuff of Atlantis, I think a lot of that's going to have a cultural infusion so heavy into it that a lot of the details will get lost and you could almost just be like there was a civilization that was more advanced than the people that wrote about them and that's almost all you could take away sometimes. Like the Greeks, Atlantis happened to be a democratic society. Well,

Starting point is 02:40:27 no shit. The Greeks, they valued that democracy. It was something they were real proud of. So of course this great place was democratic. And of course they had the same, that rich ass medal, all the fucking, they covered their temples in that shit, bro. To me, it seemed, you know what I mean? It's just like I know a lot of people say that the whole thing You know that Plato just use Atlantis as an allegory or a myth. What is this Jamie? brass I'll say Chemical analysis the ingots found 2015 shipwrecked

Starting point is 02:40:56 High quality brass brass is an ally of copper and zinc while the ancient Greeks did not know metallic zinc They knew zinc coating ores, and the description that oricalium has similar color and shine as gold fits well with the properties of brass. While brass is not exactly a precious metal, it does not corrode and is widely used on jewelry, marine instruments, and medical instruments. Goldsmiths and jewelers describe brass as mahogany of metals." Wasn't that device, I don't remember how to say the word, a ticker?

Starting point is 02:41:27 Antikytherm? Antikytherm, yeah. Wasn't that made out of brass as well? Part of it was brass, yes. Yeah. That thing's crazy. That thing's insane. That thing is insane. It shows some serious thinking going on, serious planning. And as I've said numerous times, I think that if it didn't look so clunky when they found it, I don't think that we'd have it. I think it ended up on some rich guy's shelf because it's way too fucking cool. But they looked at it and they're just like, yeah, there's like a mass of metal with like

Starting point is 02:41:53 some gear frozen to it or I don't know, it's all corroded shit. And then they bring it up and hand it off and he's like, oh, fuck me. Look what we got here. Because yeah, I mean, that's, you know, that looks kind of cool, but it doesn't look nearly as... It just looks like a wheel. And it was found next to a bunch of statues, right? So that was stuff of real value as far as they were concerned. Well, it's really fascinating is the 3D analysis of what it was and how it worked. See if you can find that when they show like that's it right there. This is the depiction of what it looked like when it was actually functional Yeah, it's insane. It's like what the fuck is that thing and This was some sort of super sophisticated

Starting point is 02:42:34 Calendar, right? Yeah, basically. So They know that thing at school where you would I thought it was how they traveled No, this is weather patterns and stuff No, it does weather patterns star stuff. No, it does weather patterns. Star phases and weather patterns. Right. You know those things that you in high school or college where you turn a crank and the sun and all the planets go around it, right? Corresponding weather predictions with star phases. You can correspond weather with star phases? I guess if you're doing a calendar, right? So if you're looking at when when is it gonna be winter? Yeah I'm fucking cool. Yeah, it's pretty impressive. That's like way earlier than anybody thought anybody had a mechanical clock

Starting point is 02:43:15 Well, yeah, there's um Stuff I haven't researched for a long time, but I remember that's what it looks like so it's separate Planetary thing whoa Yeah, I was saying it's effectively. That's the same kind of thing basic. So that's what it's based on all those little well No, it's it's this those are based on it or The a kids are mechanism is way before that right like yeah, so what year was this supposedly? I want to say it like 1500 BC or something is what I might be might think it just said 500 BC. Yeah, is that what it said Jim?

Starting point is 02:43:53 Second century BC. Oh, so okay 200 BC but there was definitely more than one of those. Oh god, that's what's crazy So this is the whole thing when you're talking about ancient technology if this is only 2200 years ago Fifteen thousand years ago. You're gonna find shit like that is so much longer And if you think about how eroded that is if that thing was still in the ocean ten thousand years from now There'd be nothing left. Yeah, that's the other thing that's really gross about the whole shipwreck dismissal Is that these ships are made out of wood the wood would be gone this idea that would all be preserved because of cold

Starting point is 02:44:28 Water there's no evidence of that There's evidence of things that are like 600 years old a thousand years old as soon as you get older than that you get nothing But the pottery and the jewelry on the floor of the ocean. Yeah, that's yeah, absolutely right. It's Yeah, we don't we don't we don't have fuck-all for shipwrecks way back in those days. And those ships that are preserved from even close to like 10,000 years ago aren't ships, they're little fucking canoes that are found in bogs and places, right? If it's in the ocean, it's not. It's Swiss cheese after a few thousand years and you can have nothing left. One of the things that really is sad about that whole deal is it's, you know, there

Starting point is 02:45:07 was a potential for a real good discussion to be had there. Flint does know a lot about archaeology and he could have sat down with Graham and had a good conversation about this stuff. But in order to do that, he would have had to have not construed it as a debate in his mind. I mean, clearly it was still still gonna get labeled as such. But by making a debate in his head, it's like you have to win. You have to win. And how do you have to sew holes that can't be sewn shut if we're talking about like that with those shipwrecks. Oh, well, they've got to

Starting point is 02:45:38 make sure that there's no shipwrecks. You got to make sure that there's no place for him to speculate whatsoever because and that's just like dude So you end up with right because he's still right in one way, right? And the way he's right is there's no evidence of a 10,000 year old shipwreck. No, there is no evidence of a test That's true. That's all you have to say and you have to say well We have to make a giant leap if you want to assume that people were seafarers But it is possible and if it's possible to do 2,000 years ago Like what we do we really know for absolute certainty what year the boat was invented? Thank you. But I'll tell you something that's kind of painful and hilarious but sad about

Starting point is 02:46:15 this. You know, Flint, they're closing the anthropology department at the University Flint teaches at right now. They're closing down other anthropology departments and archaeology departments across the world right now, across the country. There's, I just posted one a couple days ago. Flint was sitting here with Graham talking to you and there was the opportunity for him to say we do need to do more investigation. Graham, I completely agree with you which is why I think we need to get some people out there to do some underwater archaeology. Where do you think, Graham? We don't see a few different places. He could be drumming up fucking business with the...

Starting point is 02:46:52 And then, the two... then at the very least, even if... even if he looked down his nose at everything Graham had to say, the cheddar comes in, the investigations happen happen and everybody's happy instead we in with their clothes in his fucking department I mean dude I just it to me it's just such a I mean they're not might not necessarily be directly related but he had an opportunity that he completely didn't just piss it away he just drove it into the ground did the opposite of what he should have done with it and they do that as a matter of course Jimmy Corse said he brought up once about a year ago on Twitter

Starting point is 02:47:29 He's like, oh, yeah, you know, I think the Nephilim in the Bible it talks about the Giants and Nephilim I think maybe that might be an extinct species of hominid and Maybe Denisovans maybe Neanderthal. So instead of being like, hey, that's interesting man But you know what? Denisovans and Neanderthal are both the wrong size for they would neither one of them were bigger than humans so they couldn't be giants you need to look into gigantopithecus or maybe some other and sent Jim on on to go learn about science instead they said no it's fucking stupid both of these are smaller

Starting point is 02:47:58 than that god this Jimmy Corsetti guy's a fucking grifter god he's stupid and then I come along and point out that you had a missed opportunity here guys why are you doing it like this you why are you being dicks instead of trying you're here trying to be a science educator right right he has a bigger platform than you right yeah giant thing is always weird to me because there's so many people that believe in kooky shit that want to believe there was Giants hmm and that there's the they hit him Smithsonian they've got them tucked away why why would they hide Giants

Starting point is 02:48:28 like what would society fall apart if we knew that at one point in time there were 11 foot men running around and what happened to them and maybe they're just like a lot of other large animals that just like they need too many resources yeah you ate them all and that's why they're gone yeah but maybe they're just dumb as shit and huge Maybe we got tired of them raiding our villages and they couldn't figure out weapons because they were so big they never had to Yeah If we do know that there's tiny hobbit people why wouldn't we assume that look if the tallest humans are like what's the tallest guy? Every he's like nine feet tall at three. Okay, Robert Wadlow. I grew up in that near him

Starting point is 02:49:04 So so let's imagine something two feet bigger than that. That's not so hard to believe That there was a bunch of them Is that hard to believe if we find out that there was a little hobbit people and if we find out there was Dennis Ovens and what's those big-headed people that they found we were talking about it They found in China the extra large skulls. We were it's a very recent discovery. We were just talking about it It's a they thought at one point in time there were Dennis Ovens and now they think it's a very recent discovery. We were just talking about it. They thought at one point in time they were Dennis Hovens and now they think it's a completely separate chain. They're always hunting these new little weird humans. But these big headed people,

Starting point is 02:49:35 they had like large brows and their skulls were much larger than ours. We pulled images of them the other day. Remember they looked giant They look they we had jacked versions of it Call them just a large head people. Yeah the fuck Big head people discovered I did it's literally the website says large head people. Yeah I don't have a better name for it. But remember we did find a better name the other day. That's it. Those are the people

Starting point is 02:50:08 That's the article. So this is December 2024 so it's really recent provocative new piece in nature propose a whole new group of ancient Humans cousins of the Denisovans and Neanderthals that once lived alongside Homo sapiens in eastern Asia more than a hundred thousand years ago the brains of these extinct humans who probably hunted horses in small groups were much bigger than any other hominin of their time including our own species yeah what bigger brain things like what is this thing jewellery and yeah large google jewellery and images

Starting point is 02:50:41 there's some cool fucking cgi of what they think this thing looks like. Good images. Damn. There's one where he's like super jacked. Oh, that's like that one over there far like look at that. Super jacked primate that stands upright. Here's a weird one. How come all the intelligent things stand upright? Is it because you need your hands free? Because if you're walking on four legs, you never figure anything out because you're always using your hands to walk with that might be part

Starting point is 02:51:16 Of it like you need to become bipedal. Yeah, like I think we'll thumb Yeah, so you can well the aliens don't though. They gave up on that. They would just want three digits Well, that's because they all just do tablets now. Yeah, they're so advanced. They're just scrolling Yeah, you're seeing a little kid take a magazine and try to like I Saw this today. This is the world's tallest woman meeting the world's smallest woman. Wow. Yeah, right Look how that's insane and those are both human beings. Yeah, right at the same time Well, one of the things that's interesting to me about the giant bones, like the reports that they go, the things that they use to really, their smoking gun is like, there's a few reports from like the West Coast and

Starting point is 02:51:54 like Grand Canyon and shit. And they would send these letters back being like, or there be a newspaper that this guy discovered these big giant bones and they're bringing them back and I'm of the opinion being the skeptical person I am, I'm of the opinion that this guy discovered these big giant bones and they're bringing them back and right I'm of the opinion being the skeptical person I am I'm of the opinion that this was more of an announcement to the people back East that hey These things happen to get stolen Along the way and I happen to find a bunch of money along the way now is your chance because once they get to the Smithsonian Boys, they're theirs

Starting point is 02:52:23 So I don't think any of them made it if these exist if they were giant bones at all I don't think a damn one of them made it to Smithsonian might think they got bought up and they're sitting there I mean fuck come on these guys have some Jeff Bezos type character from 18 to collect in his house archaeology became a field because you go over some skull and bone type dudes house Jesus Christ, he's all the giant skeleton metal metal plates on his face How many people have those little Alien babies those little alien skeletons how many people I mean people find out about that some crazy Chinese billionaire It's like get me a little alien. Come on. I want it for my my study

Starting point is 02:53:04 Yeah, and that's basically how that's you know, that probably happens a lot, right? Because these archaeologists aren't making much money. No. And of course it happens like especially in the third world and shit. Oh, yeah. I mean, and that's where all the not all but that's where a lot of the cool stuff is. But you go to a place like that. It's like, yeah, your boy up in Alaska finds a spot and he because it's not human remains he can do over the fuck he wants now those were native remains would be a different story but and like he's pulling cash out of that but guys in other countries where they don't even get have enough to feed me look at how the Dead Sea Scrolls were found right they buy them off of fucking little kids

Starting point is 02:53:40 and shit right the people had no money like the kids throw rocks up there and then they find them and then the dudes the guys buys the first ones were bought from the kids that found them They're crazy. It's insane for nothing of course imagine if they were just burned somewhere imagine someone said This is heresy and lit them on fire like we would have lost it all like I library of Alexandria like all that All that shit that Isis blew up all Oh, right, right. Fuck. Yeah Crazy that hurt. Yeah seeing those videos was like bad. I read that about the mummies That's how they found them the Nazca mummies there was grave robbers because there's they're found in a cemetery area

Starting point is 02:54:18 Someone found some weird ones, I guess amongst the bodies and which ones do you think? Which ones you think they took first? Yeah, you walk in there and there's all these 200 of those one of them is really extra crazy Look, that's give me that one. Give me the alien That's a giant head that the reports that was I told you Rockefeller got those big skulls the reports Say that they gave him three or four bundles that were in desperate need of repair. I call bullshit of that I think he got the four best motherfucking bundles they had. Probably. Probably got them set up with like a UFO in the background in his house. You

Starting point is 02:54:51 gotta go to a secret room. Look, the visitors. They've been here forever. But one of the things I did want to ask you is one of the wackier theories that I read online was that there was a discovery of some sort of an Egyptian temple in the Grand Canyon Yes, I've heard this. Yeah, that's a one guy's story. It's cool Believe to that's the problem. I want to believe to why would they hide that from us? Well The only reason that there's a part of the Grand Canyon you can't go that is true Where'd I can't you you go what's the rule? I think it's we have to do with Native American stuff

Starting point is 02:55:28 But I haven't dug too terribly into this to be honest with them have a casino and let us go there It might even be be because they're worried about people falling off the side of a cliff or something and dying But they die every day Not every day, but like every year someone dies at the Grand Canyon But this is supposed to be that cave was supposed to be in that area And it's supposed to be like pretty hard to find pretty inaccessible But yeah, I was supposed to have all kinds of Egyptian relics and stuff in there Can you imagine if the government's been hiding that from us and UFOs?

Starting point is 02:55:58 You guys found an Egyptian temple in the Grand Canyon you hit it for so long You had to keep hiding it. Otherwise, you would have been an asshole five years ago, a hundred years ago. You know what I mean? It's like we don't ever ever admit we were assholes so we'll just like keep it hidden forever and ever. We'll know who killed JFK before we get to see what's in that cave. Allegedly. Allegedly, yes. Yeah, I'm not buying anything.

Starting point is 02:56:19 No. No. Yeah. What's going to release the documents? Sure. Yeah, once they said they were going to release the documents sure what once yeah, what's the? Once they said they were gonna release documents. I was like sweet. I'm gonna go look into it They're like I was just gonna take a couple three. Okay, fuck you Go through it all

Starting point is 02:56:34 You know because they haven't done that yet Well, I get I just it's If the family you know the baby could be the grandson of one of the people involved has got power or something nowadays it doesn't really matter a whole lot right like just if there's power involved they're just gonna kick that especially if somehow or another you could show that those people profited from that power and then that family's inherited that money and they'd be held liable yeah listen Dan I oh boy, oh boy. Listen Dan, I really enjoy your videos, they're great.

Starting point is 02:57:06 It's a great channel, Ddunking. It's awesome. It's on YouTube. Always great to talk to you. I'm glad you came back here to do it again, and let's do it another time, man. Yeah, I would love that. Thank you so much. Anytime when something goes down. I would love that. Come down here and we'll decipher it. Thanks for the invite, Joe. I really appreciate it. My pleasure. Great conversation conversation I enjoyed it all right bye everybody

The Joe Rogan Experience - #2267 - Dan Richards

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