The Joe Rogan Experience - #2272 - Mike Benz

Episode Date: February 12, 2025

Mike Benz is a former official with the U.S. Department of State and current Executive Director of the Foundation For Freedom Online, is a free speech watchdog organization dedicated to restoring th...e promise of a free and open Internet. www.foundationforfreedomonline.com For a FREE trial and 10% off your first Squarespace website or domain, visit www.squarespace.com/ROGAN This episode is brought to you by BetterHelp. Get working on a better you with therapy. Visit BetterHelp.com/JRE today to get 10% off your first month. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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Starting point is 00:00:00 The Joe Rogan experience. Good to see you. Great to see you. I've been looking forward to this one. Me too. All night I was like, ooh, tomorrow's going to be a good one. For you, it must have been very exciting to have the vault opened and to get a peek into the machine because you've been describing this the last time you were on the podcast,
Starting point is 00:00:31 you went into depth about USAID. And it's very curious why they chose USAID as the first organization for Doge to investigate because it seems like they were the ones that resisted the most. Yeah. Yeah. Well, you know, the joke that I tell here is it's like what they tell you to do your first day of prison is you go in, you walk up to the meanest, baddest SOB,
Starting point is 00:00:51 and you punch them right in the mouth. I mean, that's basically what's happened here with the White House's first target being USAID. Because USAID opens up the entire world of the blob of the foreign policy establishment and its weaponization of what are supposed to be foreign facing Department of Dirty Tricks operations against domestic opponents.
Starting point is 00:01:12 And when it all got opened, and you started to see the numbers and the different organizations and NGOs that were getting them was anything surprising to you? Or was this all what you expected? No. In fact, I think we're at the tip of the iceberg and what people are going to see on this is going to completely reorient their mental map of how they think the world works, how they think American power projects into the institutions. And I think the calls for reform are going to get louder and louder as people realize the reality that's been constructed around them is downstream of something that was started very long ago when American statecraft to manage the American empire for the benefit of the American people
Starting point is 00:02:05 began to warp and distort every institution in American life, from the media to now the social media companies, to the unions, to the universities and academics, to the NGOs and think tanks, to the prosecutors, to our conception of terrorism, to our conception of activity in the drug trade, to our everything you know what what we're really doing with public health programs and and the medical establishment and what drives that you know all the way into poverty relief and you name it I
Starting point is 00:02:39 mean every institution is instrumentalized by this apparatus supposedly to help us but really starting this has been done in US history before, this happened against the left, against the Democrats in the 1960s and 70s when the CIA and to an extent its sister orgs like USAID and whatnot were pumping money into domestic politics to stop the anti-Vietnam War movement. And this led to the reforms of the late 1970s, the Church Committee hearing, the Pike Committee hearing, the establishment of a Senate Intelligence Committee and House Intelligence Committee for oversight. But even that was a very small glimpse into the window. The analogy I give here is like the lion,
Starting point is 00:03:20 the witch, and the wardrobe, you know, the Chronicles of Narnia, where there's this whole cinematic universe. You're living in this house, and there's this closet in the back of a wardrobe, and if you never walk through it, you never see that whole world. You can live your whole life without seeing it, but when you open that door and you step into it, you see there's an entire other universe here that's been right next to you this whole time.
Starting point is 00:03:43 When you first started working for the State Department, did you have any inclination that you were gonna get involved in? Did you have any inclination that this was going on? Like did you know already? Yeah definitely. You already knew? Yeah definitely. I had already been working on this for many years. When did you first discover it? Around August 2016. I was deeply passionate about the internet censorship issue. I had some weird experiences playing chess as a kid where I sort of came of age when Gary Kasparov lost to Deep Blue and AI took over, you know, really took the spirit out of a lot of a lot of the chess world. And it was apparent to me as a kid that these AI sensors, these AI chess
Starting point is 00:04:34 engines were going to outcompete humans. But when I was young, the sort of older people in the room were in denial about it. And when I saw that same thing in 2016 with the the development of AI censorship super weapons, you know, I, I call those weapons of mass deletion that they would be like weapons of mass destruction, but for speech, you know, a few lines of code would allow you to destroy entire political movements, governments, narratives, there'd be no escape from it. We would permanently change the face of political warfare or domestic politics. You don't need a standing army of 100,000 censors if you just have one machine learning, just ingested database
Starting point is 00:05:21 of 900 million tweets that you can ingest and then make this sophisticated narrative network map of all the different keywords and concepts you want to censor. And to me that was like this free speech version or the censorship version of the atom bomb. So I started that quest in 2016, but very quickly that research and the process of trying to write that showed these international networks immediately. I mean the NLP, the
Starting point is 00:05:51 natural language processing sort of backbone of this was all being sponsored by DARPA and to be able to monitor the speech of ISIS or extremist or terrorist groups. And when I saw that coming home and being advocated here, I spent my whole day, morning, noon, night, 20 hours a day basically, chronicling, archiving. That's how I know so many of these characters is because I feel like I know them better than my own friends and family,
Starting point is 00:06:21 having spent so many years watching this all develop. What did it feel like being one of the only people that was sounding the alarm for essentially eight years? Like you get involved in 2016 and no one even the general public until you came on this podcast, I don't even think we're aware that this was an issue at all. But even then things got lost so quickly in the cycle of news, things just come and go so quickly until Doge started unraveling all the spending. And you start seeing things like $200 million allocated to transgender experiments on monkeys. Like what the fuck? Like this is crazy. And that's just a tip of the iceberg.
Starting point is 00:07:08 And then the NGOs and then that map of 50,000 NGOs that was essentially just democratic propaganda machine that was exposed. It was all just money being funneled in a circular manner. This episode is brought to you by Squarespace. Did you know that my website, joerogen.com, is powered by Squarespace? It is the platform built to help you stand out online. With their new design intelligence, you can create a stunning personalized website tailored to your needs. It's like having two decades of design expertise and cutting edge AI in your corner. Need
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Starting point is 00:08:25 sensitive process but you know obviously it's it's been a bit surreal seeing the past couple weeks where people are now I go to my ex timeline and I see everyone doing the same exercise that I gave up everything to be doing eight years ago going into you know because all this stuff is open source You didn't need to be an inside guy to see this if you knew where to look. These are USA spending.gov You know, I used to joke is the main difference between or was I think until freedom opened up when Elon acquired X and a few Institutional changes began to happen You know in the government and with Congress.
Starting point is 00:09:05 But I used to joke that usaspending.gov was the main difference during the height of this censorship total control era was the main difference between us and Russia and China, which was that we have this autocratic control over information and institutions by the US government. So do they. The difference is, we can go to usaspending.gov and look up how they do it. And so when I've been going to my ex timeline and seeing everybody independently doing that exercise
Starting point is 00:09:36 and finding the joy in that, the self-discovery process, and being able to share it with people, and everybody being able to understand and make sense of the receipts because You know this framework for understanding it has been has been shared and popularized That to me as Has been the goal all along to be able to give people the language and the frameworks to understand what is so terrifying and
Starting point is 00:10:04 Necessary to reform, but that's right there in front of your eyes if you only open your eyes to see it. It's gotta be exciting though for you to be there on operation day when they are doing the open heart surgery. It is, it is. We need to make sure that the patient doesn't die on the operating table.
Starting point is 00:10:26 Just because it's the right move to do the open heart surgery because the patient needs it, doesn't mean that the operation goes well if the operating surgeons don't know the anatomy of the organ they're operating on. And so that I see right now is sort of my prime function is to just teach more and more of the anatomy of the organ so that the people who are operating on the patient, the
Starting point is 00:10:48 the American homeland and generally speaking the the American influence and power projection into foreign countries comes out better, smarter, a little bit more honest and there is a hard domestic firewall against our foreign-facing dirty tricks criminal penalties against against agencies who who go against this civil penalties so you can sue both the agencies and the NGOs who are sponsored maybe with treble damages in a bill from Congress so that if USAID in whatever form it continues to take, whether that's at the State Department or whether it gets rolled back out into
Starting point is 00:11:29 another independent agency, that you could sue the agencies as an individual if you've been, if they've broken that domestic firewall so that there's an incentive at the agency on their own budget to tightly oversee these things. There's so much that can be done to bring this in line in a smarter and more moral and frankly more effective way and that's the task right now. I think one of the most offensive things to Americans is that all this was being done
Starting point is 00:11:58 and all this money was being spent while they were denying money to people that clearly needed it, like particularly victims of natural disasters like Maui. The fact that they're spending all this money on those things and yet they gave those people a one-time check of $770 or something along those lines. Right. Well, this gets to the fundamental heart of the breach
Starting point is 00:12:26 of the social contract that this thing was always set up to do. It was really set up in 1948 when George Kennan created this NSC 10-2, this National Security Council. We completely reoriented the structure of the American Empire in 1948 after World War II. In 1947, we passed something called the structure of the American Empire in 1948 after World War II. In 1947 we passed something called the National Security Act.
Starting point is 00:12:48 That's what established the CIA. That's what established the National Security Council, which coordinates all of our foreign-facing empire management work. It renamed the Department of War to the Department of Defense so that it didn't look like we were acquiring territory by military force, which had just been banned under international law under the UN Declaration of Human Rights. And so we moved from primarily kinetic warfare into what George Kennan called just two months before he created the national, the plausible deniability doctrine that we live under.
Starting point is 00:13:19 He called this organized political warfare. And he has a great memo from April 30th 1948 it's just 12 days after the CIA's first operation first first time it ever overthrew or rigged the election of a foreign government this was the April 1948 election in Italy that pitted a pro-western a pro-western candidate against a sort of pro-soviet candidate. And so the US State Department felt it was essential to hit the scales of that election because it showed that the pro-soviet candidate was winning 60 to 40. This is all declassified and all the major people who are involved in that operation
Starting point is 00:13:56 have all come out and said this publicly. But so basically we threw together this ramshackle effort to tilt that election by pumping in propaganda, by using charities and churches as fronts to funnel money into the pro-Western political party. We piped in the Greg Garbo movies and whatnot. We worked with some very seedy elements of Italian society there. We worked with the mafia and we worked with mafia connected unions because these were all assets for the War Department during World War II because Mussolini was cracking down on
Starting point is 00:14:34 them. So the War Department had a relationship with these organized criminal networks to serve as a beachhead against Mussolini but we kept those relationships in order to run this pro democracy regime change thing so in 1948 when we established the secrecy doctrine doctrine that we now live under and all these NGOs work under this cover effectively because of their sponsoring organizations USAID or CIA or state and he called it the inauguration of organized political warfare and what he said is we need to create a covert apparatus to hide what we do from the from the rest of the world to do secret political warfare on the low and the problem is is the American people are
Starting point is 00:15:12 not going to like this the American people do not understand the intricacies of international relations they think there's always an easy political cure-all and they do not understand they think there's a fundamental difference between peace and war and what he proposed is and this is just two months before this before this would formally be given to the CIA to do but at the time what he said was this was this work gangbusters in Italy we need to replicate this everywhere we need to create a capacity to do black propaganda to do economic sabotage, demolition. There's a whole list of what's authorized under NSC 10-2.
Starting point is 00:15:50 And what he says is the American people are not necessarily going to like this and we're going to need to effectively hide what we do from them because if they find out then the rest of the world finds out. If we're trying to run an operation in Eurasia and we report this in US News well then any person in Eurasia who reads US News now knows about it and so that was authorized at the time with some simultaneous with the Smith-Munt Act which I'm not are you familiar with the Smith-Munt Act is that the 2011 2012 thing where Obama allowed people to use propaganda against United States citizens yeah that was what was
Starting point is 00:16:24 done then under Obama was the effective repeal of it. It was called the Smithmont Modernization Act. But the modernization got rid of the whole purpose of it, the firewall, because at the time, the media and media control was seen as the linchpin crux of winning the Cold War piping in pro-us
Starting point is 00:16:48 media influence to so that the because everything moved after World War two from kinetic warfare and Military occupation and we used to militarily occupy the Philippines for example after we won the Spanish-American war But that was that was banned under international law territorial acquisition by military force in 1948. So we had to win elections and and we had to influence the the passage of laws in foreign countries by having an apparatus inside those countries that influenced the hearts and minds of people which influenced who they voted for which then determined the government. So you had to move towards political vassalage
Starting point is 00:17:25 rather than military occupation. And what the Smith-Munt Act did is simultaneous with the creation of this in 1948, Congress recognized the Frankensteinian monster they were creating by authorizing a covert, permanent Department of Dirty Tricks, and this is their phrase, not mine, to do this cloak and dagger,
Starting point is 00:17:44 to infiltrate and co-opt the universities, tricks and this is their phrase not mine to do this cloak and dagger to infiltrate in and co-op the universities the unions the media the politicians the judges the whole swarm army you know what I have been calling for a long time the USAID Truman show because you know these people in these foreign countries have no idea you know how many how many of the things they interact with that are effectively a movie set being constructed by the US State Department and its sister influence orgs. But the point I'm getting at here is the Smith Mundt Act in 1948 said, okay, you guys can do this. State Department can do this.
Starting point is 00:18:18 CIA can do this. USAID, when it came along 13 years later, could this but weak so there was a guy named Frank Wisner who was known as one of the godfather figures of the CIA he's known for creating what was called the Wizner's war let's er which was a it's like a church organ and that he would brag that he could play the international media like a symphony to make any media narrative go viral in any country on earth because of the suite of CIA proprietary media functions and its distribution network, especially when the US had first moved for advantage in radio and print. It's
Starting point is 00:18:53 basically the US and UK were the only games in town really in having robust radio, film, TV, and print media. So the Smith-Munn was said, okay, you can do that abroad. You can plant fake news stories in France. You can, you know, you can have propaganda blare into Africa or Western Europe or Central Asia, but that can't come home. You can't sign up our own people with your propaganda organ abroad because the point of authorizing this is that we get cheaper gas, we get import export markets, you know, we get a high standard of living because if a foreign government doesn't want to give up its resources or allow a US military
Starting point is 00:19:37 base, or allow joint partnerships or exports of goods or US multinational corporations to operate there, then the American people suffer economically. So it was always designed to say, listen, you can do this dirty stuff abroad, but it can't come home. And even that protection, which lasted for 70 years, and we only lost it a decade ago,
Starting point is 00:20:07 we're up against a much actually deeper darker problem with this USAID scandal and as people will see increasingly the scandals that will break open at the Pentagon and the State Department which is that we have a Smithmont problem for funding and operations. It's not just propaganda. The blob blob our foreign policy establishment can fund groups that effectively work with prosecutors domestically or that or that work at media, you know dual sort of dual use We give them foreign grants to do media propaganda abroad But they operate here or social media censorship to coerce foreign countries to pass foreign censorship laws That explicitly and are intended to attack us social media companies and in us peer-to-peer speech
Starting point is 00:20:52 So we need that protection if we're going to keep this function at all, we need a hard firewall and absolute grotesque penalties for any violation so when you're watching all this unfold, one of the things that I've been seeing is that there's been legal action to try to halt some of it.
Starting point is 00:21:15 They've been told to destroy any information that they got from certain databases. Like what's your take on this and whether any of that is gonna hold up Oh 100% Well 100. I don't know if it's gonna hold up. I think it's gonna be a legal dogfight. This is You know, it's funny because it's sort of a circular dragon eating its own tail because you're going after The primary soft power projection organ of the blob because it's been weaponized against Americans. But what is the blob authorized to do?
Starting point is 00:21:47 What is USAID authorized to do under statute? Well, something they call judicial reform, which is USAID poaching, funding financially the networks around judges, around courts, around the legal system, around the governance structure of every country on planet Earth. I mean, and Jamie, if you want to just go through a fun exercise right now, you can even put on screen just a simple Google search so people can see just how open source this is and I can walk through specific
Starting point is 00:22:16 damning examples of this. But if you just type in on Google the word USAID and then in a Boolean quotes, judicial reform. And what you're gonna see are basically a hundred countries that USAID is going after the judges, going after the legal system in order to rig the scales of justice in favor of the foreign policy establishment's interest there. And this has this has fully come home and I can go through some examples of this. For example, there's a group called the OCCRP, which you can think of as the Corruption Reporting Project.
Starting point is 00:23:02 This is a group that half of its funding comes from USAID and the US State Department. OCCRP has to, USAID and the State Department have a veto right over the staff that it can hire. This is the largest consortium of investigative journalists on planet Earth. This is the group that broke the Panama Papers, you know, they got all these hacked documents, they got special access to it. I don't have any facts on this. I'm simply noting that it's an oddity that a group funded by a major CIA funding conduit,
Starting point is 00:23:38 USAID, while the CIA has the ability to hack, you know, any target around the world that's authorized by the National Security Council. You know, they're getting these special access documents that are reportedly either hacked or leaked, and they're being sponsored by, you know, the group that's connected to something with a hacking power. But I don't know that for a fact.
Starting point is 00:23:59 I'm simply noting that for investigative purposes for oversight bodies who may want to ask questions. But they, so they've won hundreds of awards. They've, their name has been so pristine for so long, they've been around for almost 20 years, and they were sponsored in order to do, they do investigative hit piece journalism about corruption. And what they do is they go after all of the state
Starting point is 00:24:24 department and USAID and DOD's opponents in the region. So for example, Jamie, I text you this beforehand but if the first thing you want to put on screen are the first two images that I texted you, this is from the USAID.gov website and I think this will shock people when they see this on you know with the USAID.gov URL right there and so that you can you can see how yeah so if you go if you go to the the first page that I texted that text to you and then we'll get to this one. Okay I'm sorry the second one then yeah okay so here it is this is USAID's strengthening transparency and accountability through investigative reporting program okay Yeah, okay. So here it is. This is USAID's Strengthening Transparency and Accountability
Starting point is 00:25:05 through Investigative Reporting Program. Okay. What you'll see here is you'll see the life of activity. This fund is, they are still being funded through this grant. And this is for Europe and Eurasia. And you'll see the countries, Eastern Partnership, Armenia, Belarus, Georgia, Moldova, Ukraine, and Western Balkans. If you scroll down, you'll see USAID spending, USAID funding is $20 million. $20 million that our taxpayers paid to every, listen, they don't report on kittens being saved from falling out of trees. Everything they do is a hit piece about an instance of corruption that can be used by prosecutors in the area to arrest the political opponents of the State Department. And what you'll see here is
Starting point is 00:25:50 capacity. Now this is the phrase everybody has to know, capacity building is what this is all built under. That means pumping up the blobs assets. Whenever you see the word capacity or capacity building, it means this thing is useful to us. The more money we give it it the more powerful they are to project our influence and so so if you if you scroll if you go back to that that page which is page two of this USAID you think is we see so for 20 million dollars of of investment from from USAID here are the and this is live on the website and find this in the way back machine right now because the USAID websites down this is this is live on the website and find this in the way back machine right now because the USAID websites down.
Starting point is 00:26:26 This is this is USAID the US government bragging about the achievements of what they achieved by spending 20 million dollars at least 4.5 billion in fines levied against targets of these hit pieces. Now by the way I should note that the head of the OCCRP was busted in a in a major documentary that is very little distribution by encourage everyone to watch where he said because this was this was a this was a I think a year and a half ago one up but it was they're up to over ten billion dollars now. What's the documentary? It's a it's on the WikiLeaks X page right now it's
Starting point is 00:27:02 by a group of German journalists who had one-on-one interviews with the head of this group, OCCRP, as well as the USAID grant coordinator and others. And so it's straight from the horse's mouth. And they say, he says in that interview, I believe his name is Drew Sullivan, that it's now over $10 billion. And he brags that that is a I think he
Starting point is 00:27:25 said it was a 20,000% return on investment because all these dollars were quote returned to government coffers so for 20 million dollars of of mercenary media for the state state-sponsored hit pieces the government's got ten billion dollars back. That's pretty good. That's a 1995 Amazon level return on investment. But now, let's get into the darker stuff. 548 policy changes by the government or actions by civil society and the private sector.
Starting point is 00:28:01 Now we don't know if these policy changes are good or bad. Do you think USAID would list them as accomplishments if they were not in furtherance of USAID's or the State Department's foreign policy goals in the region? What they are saying and trying to sort of speak through their teeth, as they say it, is that they proudly sponsored hit piece journalism to ruin people's lives and go after political targets in order to change the policies of foreign governments
Starting point is 00:28:33 from the inside. Now it goes on to say 21 resignations and sackings, including of a present Prime Minister. Now the head of OCCRP in this documentary openly says that that they're reporting cause i think it was five or six different governments to topple and turn over and be transitioned
Starting point is 00:28:54 proudly so that so this is state sponsored media hit pieces so that prosecutors can rest presidents and prime ministers to regime change their government and install a more pro u s political vassal figure in the region ministers to regime change their government and install a more pro-US political vassal figure in the region. And then the last one is 456 arrests and indictments and this again is listed as a USAID achievement. We don't know what these people did. We don't know you know whether they're whether they're guilty or innocent or whether or not these were political prosecutions like you see
Starting point is 00:29:23 right now with the New York District Attorney's offices which is a whole another USAID connected can of worms but these are state sponsored hit pieces for hire in order to get the give the Justice Department's the prosecutors in a region the ammunition to arrest the enemies of the state the prosecutors don't have the capacity to do a whole investigative journalism dig. They might not have access to hacked documents that, for example, the CIA, the NSA, or deeply connected political insiders might be able to give to a group like OCCRP. Now, now USAID gets a veto right over who they can hire. OCCRP has to submit an annual work plan to
Starting point is 00:30:03 to be submitted to and reviewed for approval by the State Department and USAID and here's the kicker of it all USAID dug up, I'm sorry, OCCRP paid for by us, US taxpayers, dug up dirt on Rudy Giuliani's work in Ukraine. This is because you know this was part of the 2019 impeachment and you know Rudy Giuliani and his work in Ukraine. So they went and dug up dirt on Rudy Giuliani, a domestic U.S. citizen and high profile political figure, actually attorney to the U.S. president. And then that dirt came home and was used as part of the basis for the 2019 impeachment of the sitting president president Donald Trump. That would have never happened unless USAID sponsored
Starting point is 00:30:48 that, that hit piecework. And then they did the same thing with Paul Manafort because it's the same foreign policy blob that went after Trump in the first place because of his difference in foreign policy vision around Ukraine, Russia, and other major. This episode is brought to you by BetterHelp. People like to throw around difference in foreign policy vision around Ukraine, Russia, and other major. This episode is brought to you by BetterHelp. People like to throw around all these red flags, you know, things someone says or does that you don't like, which is fine.
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Starting point is 00:32:28 The lawfare against Giuliani is interesting. Like, what is the case that he lost? It was in Georgia, and he was accusing these women who worked at this election facility of something, some improprietary. Right. This is a different case than that because that you know this was related to the 2019 impeachment and all the Ukraine kerfuffle around the you know the quid pro quo call allegedly that President Trump made to President Zelensky, which by the way we should get to USAID's role in the
Starting point is 00:33:02 process in the Joe Biden quid pro quo side of this in a second. But that case, I believe, related to two workers in Georgia, and it was related to the whole investigation of election fraud and whether or not there may have been fraud perpetrated in the Georgia election. I believe it was either 2021 or it may have been, I'm sorry, 2020. I'm not, that case I'm not deep in the weeds on,
Starting point is 00:33:33 but I have to say this as well. And Jamie, I don't know if the whole audience is familiar with this clip, but it's an incredible scandalous clip. Do you remember when Joe Biden was at the Council on Foreign Relations familiar with this clip, but it's an incredible scandalous clip. Do you remember when Joe Biden was at the Council on Foreign Relations and and bragged that he got the top prosecutor in Ukraine
Starting point is 00:34:00 fired by the Ukrainian government because he explicitly conditioned the firing of the prosecutor who was investigating Barisma, he expressly conditioned their receipt of a billion dollars in U.S. financial assistance on the firing of Victor Shokin, the prosecutor, and he said, well, son of a B, he was fired. And- It's so crazy watching him brag about that publicly. It just shows you what an idiot he is.
Starting point is 00:34:25 You know what that billion dollars in financial assistance was? It was a USAID grant. Yeah, it's the carrots and sticks. And it's like- Find that video, Jamie, because it's a shocking video. And it's just the hubris and the ego that someone has to have to speak of this publicly
Starting point is 00:34:42 while it's being filmed, not just publicly, not just in a room, not even just saying it out loud, but saying it in front of the Council Foreign Relations backdrop. And actually, before you play this, can I make one quick note for the audience that everyone can look up publicly? The Council Foreign Relations,
Starting point is 00:35:01 I'm just about to text Jamie another thing related to this that I'm gonna pull up the USAID grant related to this, that I'm going to pull up the USAID grant so that everyone can see this billion dollar USAID grant that he's referring to here and what's in the grant details. But when Hillary Clinton was Secretary of State running the State Department that USAID answers to, right? USAID is independent but guided by the State Department.
Starting point is 00:35:22 Because it's a State Department function, it has to advance US interests. Well, when Hillary Clinton was Secretary of State, Council of Foreign Relations had just opened up a D.C. office, they're New York based, and she went over to them and she made a speech and she said, thank you, Foreign Relations, for opening up your D.C. office.
Starting point is 00:35:36 That way I don't need to travel all the way to New York to be told what to do. I was the head of the State Department. She really said it like that? Yeah, everyone can look this up. That might not be verbatim, but that was the... it was as explicit as that, effectively. But if you want to play this... I remember going over convincing our team, or others too, convincing us that we should be providing for loan guarantees. I went over, I guess, the 12th, 13th time to Kiev, and I was supposed to announce that
Starting point is 00:36:14 there was another billion-dollar loan guarantee. And I had gotten a commitment from Poroshenko and from Yatsenyuk that they would take action against the state prosecutor, and they didn't. So they said they had a – they were walking out to Prescott and I said, no, I said, I'm not going to – or we're not going to give you the billion dollars. They said, you have no authority. You're not the president. The president said it.
Starting point is 00:36:36 I said, call him. I said, I'm telling you, you're not getting the billion dollars. I said, you're not getting the billion. I'm going to be leaving here. And I think it was, what, six hours. I looked at it and I said billion I'm gonna be leaving here and I think it was what six hours I look at I said I'm leaving in six hours if the prosecutor's not fired you're not getting the money. Oh son of a bitch got fired and they put in place someone who was solid at the time. Solid. So they
Starting point is 00:36:59 made some genuine substantial changes institutionally and with people. Yeah, so there's two things to immediately follow up on that. So Jamie, I just sent you two things over text here. The first one is the US is that billion dollar loan guarantee, and then I sent you another one about securing commitments and then
Starting point is 00:37:30 It's just wild that someone would be so Brazen to talk about that so publicly That's that no one's gonna look in at someone that was solid. What was wrong with the first guy? Let's go into depth Well, the fact that you wouldn't think like maybe someone's going to investigate what was the first guy looking into. Oh, why was my son running Parisma? Like what is going on? Why is he making $10 million a year there? What is going on? What is this? Well, okay. So this was a billion dollars. Okay. So this will actually go to the, go to the yellow. Okay. We'll start with this. Okay. So here's from USAID. USAID announces now this is again, the, the basically the final months of the Obama administration. This is right before the November 2016 election.
Starting point is 00:38:09 USAID announces a billion dollar loan guarantee. Remember, he referenced the loan guarantee. By the way, do they pay these loans back? Well, depends on if they play ball or not. This is another one of these things, right? If you're a good boy and you do what the blob tells you to do, maybe we can be flexible on loan forgiveness. You know, maybe maybe we can allow you to punt punt the default, but you'll see it's,
Starting point is 00:38:32 it's a bit, but these are the carrots and sticks. This is why we infiltrate and co-opt these institutions and why you have a $44 billion annual slush fund around the world to do this. But you'll see, it's the issuance of the billion dollar loan guarantee to the governing of Ukraine and it's to support the implementation of governance reforms so it's for it's it's for the the we condition it on you changing the policies of your government and this is already 2016 after we installed a coup yes in 2014 yes yes and remember the last time I was here We went over the 2019 Zelensky's first month in office the red lines memo
Starting point is 00:39:12 You know talk about how do you how do you prove you're a good boy? Well when you get the red lines memo that you will suffer political instability unless you do the 25 below listed policy things with your government You know that factors into what the US ambassador in the region will tell their Ukrainian or other government counterparts. Loan guarantees and whatnot are conditioned on. But so if you go to the, you'll notice that Biden there
Starting point is 00:39:39 used a very specific phrase there about securing commitments. I don't know if everyone caught that. I wanna note the similarity of that to. If you go to the the other screenshot Jamie that text you here. I'm sorry that my my mug is on this I just pulled this up. What are you doing with your lips? Yeah I know. We'd been talking right before we started filming about about just throwing receipts up on screen. This is just a live stream series that I do on X and so I thought that's just
Starting point is 00:40:03 your mid words. I know but this is 1.5 series that I do on X. And so, but that's just- They caught you mid-words. I know, I know, but this is $1.5 million. So, USAID has given $27 million in grants to the Tide Center, which is the 501C3, is the fiscal sponsor that gives the 501C3 status to the Black Lives Matter Global Network and to a group called Fair and Just Prosecution, which is basically manages prosecutors who are simultaneously funded by the Open Society Foundation.
Starting point is 00:40:31 They work with Alvin Bragg and Letitia James and all these other ones. But you'll see here in this, this is a $1.5 million grant, you'll see that exact phrase that Joe Biden used about securing commitments from governments to fight corruption. So sometimes this diplomatic statecraft, this strong-arm pressure, is done directly by the vice president. Sometimes it's done by interlocutors like our state-sponsored NGO swarm who allow our ambassadors and allow the White House to maintain a layer of plausible deniability,
Starting point is 00:41:08 that it's an intermediary saying it, and they can say much harsher things than what can be conveyed and may be used against you in a formal diplomatic channel. And I said one more thing, Jamie, if you pull up, if you go to my X feed and you just type in the phrase, USAID barisma, because this is another element of this. Again, how is this all weaponized at home and whatnot?
Starting point is 00:41:30 So Victor Shokin was investigating Burisma. Joe Biden personally weaponized USAID in order to force a foreign country's prosecutor to be fired in order to get that billion. Can I stop you for a second? What was the investigation of Burisma? What did it entail? I believe it was a similar corruption probe,
Starting point is 00:41:51 that there was misuse of funding. All this stuff is well documented in Miranda Devine's book, The Big Guy. But if you open those four screenshots, I don't know if you're able to center it or zoom out a little bit. Western protection is a great fucking title. Yeah. USAID to help young Biden.
Starting point is 00:42:15 This is in 2014. Hey, remember when Hunter Biden's permanent blanket pardon goes back to? It goes back to it goes back to 2014 right and so so this directs USAID to guarantee loans so it's loan guarantees for every phase of development of oil and gas in Ukraine Moldova and Georgia now if you go to go to the next screenshot in this this is from this is a you know a a foiled or legally obtained internal document at the State Department which says despite his ruin name in Ukraine, Zlachevsky is actively campaigning for he's been sending letters to ambassadors Yannik
Starting point is 00:42:58 Yovanovich and Piot. They note that Hunter Biden and Devin Archer are on the board. And they say, internally, at state, USAID does have cooperation with Burisma. Says pre-existing, small scale, pre-existing cooperation. They're formally cooperating with Burisma in the region. They're noting that. And then if you go to the next screenshot, now this again is State Department email traffic that's been on
Starting point is 00:43:28 earth. Okay, so they're talking about doing co-branding with USAID and Burisma and the public-private partnership around USAID and Burisma, but then noting, quote, the very sticky wicket of the Hunter Biden connection on Burisma, but then noting quote, the very sticky wicket of the Hunter Biden connection on Burisma's board. And then they go on to say that, you know, they want to create incentives for journalists to ensure responsible and unbiased coverage. Very sticky wicket. What a weird way to phrase
Starting point is 00:43:58 that in an official email. Right. What they're saying is it would be a major scandal if everyone knew the extent of it. They know it looks unseemly. don't want they don't want the media to report on on the massive conflict of interest of joe biden going in and kicking out that that prosecutor conditioning us aid money on it while u.s. aid is directly working with the resma but then the state department using its media mockingbird apparatus funded by your tax dollars the swarm of
Starting point is 00:44:24 n.g.o.'s has reported publicly this week that ninety percent of Ukrainian media outlets are funded by the US government ninety percent talk about a USAID Truman show Jesus Christ and so who if they're funded by the State Department guess what there's a State Department grant coordinator guess what if they want to keep getting their contributions they are going to there's going to need to be review and approval by USAID and by state, because often these are co-grants.
Starting point is 00:44:49 And so they have the capacity to ensure that the incentives are aligned for the journalists to be responsible with the way they report on the USAID-Burisma connection while Joe Biden is weaponizing USAID to protect Barisma. By the way, I should note, Hunter Biden's law firm actually pitched using Barisma as an instrument of statecraft to the State Department because the more you capacity build Barisma, the more endogenous gas Ukraine is able to supply. And so that's less gas being exported into Europe from
Starting point is 00:45:26 Gazprom and Russia. So they blend this, it advances US national interests but hey it makes us rich along the way so you know it's the same reason Pfizer gets to keep all the profits you know for you know when they have when there's a vaccine mandate you know they don't they say well we're just rewarding you know this we're doing such good work well why, why aren't you, if this is a charity, why aren't you giving the money back to the American people, you know, of, well, should we put some cap on this? And it's, oh no, well, we're incentivizing this,
Starting point is 00:45:52 you know, pioneering approach and we're uniquely in the position to do it. And what's important about this is this explains for a lot of people that are very baffled by obvious propaganda and misinformation that's being propagated by the mainstream media. When you look at mainstream newspapers and television shows saying things that are just
Starting point is 00:46:13 factually incorrect, and you could research it, it's not hard to find out, and you see them propagate this stuff, this is all the same sort of thing, but this is happening on US soil. Oh, exactly. Well, actually, Jamie, if you pull that receipt back up, there's a paragraph there we didn't read, but that's useful to this. And then there's another topic related to this that I think makes this point even harder. But look at that fourth paragraph there.
Starting point is 00:46:37 This is from the US State Department, which is in control of managing all of the media assets, those 90% of media assets inraine and the ones that simultaneously operate here i would offer that the reason is incentive to support could possibly read the main objective of the reason was to create incentives for journalists to offer sympathetic coverage well so mean objective of the reason the main objective
Starting point is 00:47:00 it's an energy corporation yes yes humanitarian aid uh... you know this is a for-profit company that's directly tied. This is such a wild statement. The main objective of Burisma was to create incentives for journalists to offer sympathetic coverage of the company on energy issues. Yes, yes.
Starting point is 00:47:18 Wow. Right. They wanna pitch it as a sort of, you know, patriotic, pro-Western. They bought the media. They bought the media, they bought the media. And they bought the media here. On that topic, can we talk about a related scandal and frankly monstrosity that the American people
Starting point is 00:47:39 need to understand the full extent of its influence on American hearts and minds? No, we can't talk about that. Okay, all right. Well, let's go on to the next thing then. Okay, so Jamie, if you go to X, I think probably the best thread on this currently published is the WikiLeaks thread on internews,
Starting point is 00:47:59 which just reading some of the statistics in that will help make sense of some of the clips and screenshots that I'm going to show you about its operations that then impact domestic affairs and international governments that are allied with the state department. So if you just look up, just type in the word internews, one word, I-N-T-E-R-N-E-W-S and and you go to search down the WikiLeaks profile you'll see yeah here you go if you just top that that top one you know USAID is pushed nearly half a minute so this so internews I've been I've been talking about for a long time but but now the stage is sort of set to really show the
Starting point is 00:48:42 extent of this but what we do is we create these pretty little predicates, these pretty little lie words, weasel words to hide from the American people and especially from foreign governments what we're really doing in the area. So we have a catchphrase at state and in state craft, and it's called independent media. You can think of that as the State Department's word for good guy. OK, doesn't mean independent. They are funded by us. They are not independent from the government. They literally submit their work and approval plans for their work plans for what they cover for review and approval to the US State Department. They are dog-walked the whole way. But we call them independent because
Starting point is 00:49:21 they are said to be independent from foreign governments who influence. So basically they're independent from the Chinese government or they're independent from the Russian government. So there's just like with the word USAID itself that we talked about last time, it's your mind playing tricks on you. You're seeing aid but it's Agency for International Development. But they do the same thing with independent media which is that internally to them it means it's a good guy for us because independent from our enemies but it's but when Americans see that they think well independent that means it's a free actor who's not being sponsored by any government but under
Starting point is 00:49:59 the banner of us aids independent media and media sustainability branches we fund half a billion dollars a year to this network over four thousand media outlets it reaches seven hundred seventy eight million people nine thousand journalists trained member last time we went over the treat the atlantic council with seventy i directors annual funding from u s a as well as the state department and Pentagon how they were holding up iCall BS placards and putting Trump tweets on screen to flag for disinformation if you remember we
Starting point is 00:50:34 went over that well this is what training journalists looks like is they is is not only do they have the direct uh... spawn of of of new a media octopus uh... under their subgrantee group but they then go out and train the journalists who work at all the other ones who are directly sponsored so they reach everywhere and you'll see here for example makes reference to uh... to uh... you know gene burgo who who is uh...
Starting point is 00:51:03 you know making uh... you a million dollars a year there. And if you go now, I'm going to show this domestic impact real quick and then a couple screenshots. So if you, this has been going viral on X. I've been talking about USAID's role in the censorship industry forever. And if you look up, if you just look up internews and you just plug in the name, you know, if you just copy paste that, you know, Jean Burgow phrase, you'll see this in the video section because it's everywhere now. So, she made speeches for a long time, but this is a big one. Here you go, this one right here. Okay. So, USAID-funded internews CEO pushes for global advertising exclusion list to
Starting point is 00:51:46 censor disinformation. So this is a 28 second clip. Like what they did to X. Yeah, exactly. Disinformation makes money and it's that's one of them. We need to follow that money and we need to work with the, and particularly the global advertising industry, that a lot of those dollars go to pretty bad, bad content. And so you can work really hard on exclusion lists inclusion lists are really try to focus at dollars and challenge global advertising industry all around the world focus at dollars towards
Starting point is 00:52:14 that the good the good news and information that accurate relevant so so this is u s a sponsored both sides of this she runs a $500 million mercenary media for Hippies for Hire Empire, sponsored by USAID. USAID also gave $68 million to the World Economic Forum itself. And USAID's own internal documents show the explicit political targeting of these advertiser networks. And I can show you receipts on that
Starting point is 00:52:44 if you just type in the word SEPPS CEPPS and advertiser on my X timeline and I don't mean to just go receipt to receipt to receipt actually no it's okay actually before we get to that just so I can close the loop on something that's a little bit more accessible and less political Jamie I texted you a screenshot of internews in in Brazil and if you one of them has at the top of it something called rooted in trust if you keep going up yeah there you go that one yep okay so this is internews with a worldwide media octopus sponsored a half a billion dollars a year, you know, reaching 9,000 journalists, 5,000 media outlets, and here's what they were doing
Starting point is 00:53:35 just in, just on, just on COVID censorship. So Rooted in Trust is a internews program, it's a global pandemic information response program to counter the unprecedented scale and speed and spread of rumors and misinformation. All which turned out to be true. All which turned out to be true. Our own CIA says that, our own House oversight committee says that now formally.
Starting point is 00:54:00 Every single step of the way. There's not one thing they said that turned out to be accurate. Not the death rate, not the ability to stop infections and transmissions not the side effects not the fact that natural immunity is far superior none of it no not nothing not one thing not the lab leak theory nothing not even the funding of the research and the actual lab, which was also USAID, right?
Starting point is 00:54:27 Yes, yes. Fifty million dollars. Right, right. From UC Davis to EcoHealth directly into, because I always say when it's too dirty for the CIA, you give it to USAID. And that's why, you know, that's why you have all this pandemic stuff. Maybe we can get to that later. But I want to show the scale of this.
Starting point is 00:54:43 You sponsored your own state censorship rooted in trust is tracked more than nineteen thousand rumors about the virus across fourteen plus languages globally over eighty one million people in response to the unique rumors source from each country context this u s aid sponsored pro project has produced a total of over a hundred thirty rumor bulletins five hundred radio broadcasts in four hundred eighty media stories
Starting point is 00:55:12 uh... through through a series of training opportunities events peer-to-peer networks and small grants rune trust is supported five hundred and fifty local media organizations in order to scan and ban the internet or more importantly to connect communities with directly with timely and accurate covert nineteen information also turned out to be lies alley time before this to text one page of this i mean this is the everyone should go through this
Starting point is 00:55:39 this document all post on my ex feed and there's there's millions around this i mean this the whole global coordination was done through this through u s eight and the u s state department in its partners in in the in the u k and in nato and you know the fact that these very organs are implicated in it the strange darpa grants around creating the the great the gain of function uh... you know the the u s eight you know uh...
Starting point is 00:56:03 you've got to keep that we're all jumping you know animal to human for these things you know the presence of folks like Avril Haines the deputy director of the CIA and then head of director of the director of national intelligence you know at these censorship planning conferences for event 201 the fact that state and DOD and and the UK Foreign Office all funded all of the censorship organs like the Atlantic Council and Grafica and these others that we went over last time you know they basically they're the prime suspect for the crime and they and
Starting point is 00:56:40 they sponsored the entire white blood cell apparatus to swarm any kernel of truth penetrating the membrane in order to orchestrate the cover-up so they're on both sides of it in and we can talk about more about the you know the the inner news you work there but i want to but i want to this is the darkest of conspiracy theories the darkest of conspiracy theories was that the leak was intentional. The darkest of conspiracy theories is that this was planned, they knew this is gonna be a financial windfall, it is the greatest
Starting point is 00:57:14 transfer of wealth in the history of the United States by far from the working class to the elite. It's like three plus what trillion dollars or something crazy like that. Yeah We've already established That it was created in a lab. We already established that USAID funded it We already established that Fauci at all lied about gain-of-function research what they were doing The worst theory possible is that this was released on purpose. Yeah, that would be the worst case scenario Yeah, have you ever danced that one around your head? Because that's that's where you we know they're willing to do horrible evil shit
Starting point is 00:57:55 But like is there a ceiling on that? Even now to this day having spent Even now to this day, having spent so much of my life in it, I try to just pursue the leads that I have and then try to let the conclusions come to me. Certainly the fact that they funded the capacity to do this, they worked directly with all the networks that were both doing it and censoring it is that puts you pretty much as you know they created it and they covered up at least the leak in terms of the the intentionality for doing it that is a really dark scenario you know there are a lot of things in american history that that have that same you know
Starting point is 00:58:48 me how the hot distinction you know today today make it happen or do they let it happen they let happen or do they make it happen and both of them are major scandals that completely change that the the legitimacy and credibility of policy changes in response to the crisis for example. Like, you know, take something like Pearl Harbor, right? It's been declassified now, the McCullum memo,
Starting point is 00:59:12 the eight action plan. Are you familiar with this? Yeah, I'm right. You know, and this was written before the bombing, and it was eight ways to get Japan to attack us because we don't have diplomatic cover to declare war on them but if we get them to attack us and we can then spiral that into a war predicate. I mean they're the same thing
Starting point is 00:59:34 for example with the Northwoods memo with you know pretext to war with Cuba and cooking up all these you know hijacking our own planes sinking our own ships doing you know riots on the streets of miami and then saying that it was the other cuban government behind it you can same thing with vietnam gulf of tonkin you know i same thing with uh... you know with the the weapons of mass destruction uh... it predicate for invading iraq did did we know that that would be a duty did we where we duped and the crime was negligence
Starting point is 01:00:06 letting our national security state believe the new york times reporting on you know on can chemical and you know and and biological and weapons of mass destruction in rack or did we make that happen to we you was that was that something that we knew was not true based on our own intelligence but because there was a useful thing there and
Starting point is 01:00:28 you know a lot of people have the same thoughts about issues around around 9-eleven in any number of crisis events and I I suppose I have my own thoughts on it They're not fully settled and because they they are beyond the evidence I currently have, I stay in the zone of this is what they did to create it, this is what they did to cover it up. Here are the stars in the sky, draw your own constellation from there. That's a good way to put it.
Starting point is 01:00:58 Okay, back to what you were just about to talk about. Yeah, so, well, so again, there's two simultaneous tasks that I have. One is to burn down these rogue institutions that have been weaponized domestically and salt the earth behind them so that these kind of excesses can never come home again. The other one is we do need US soft power projection
Starting point is 01:01:23 in order to maintain the standard of living and prosperity that we have. You know I give the example all the time no blob no pencils. You can't make pencils in this country unless you depend on governments in Malaysia and South America and you know parts of Africa and if that's the the case in you know for pencils now do that exercise with petroleum. Now do that exercise with cobalt, for example. There's only one, there was only one operational cobalt mine in all of the US and in 2022 that even that mine shut down. So most of the cobalts in the Congo, if you, if the, if the Congolese government decides they don't want to allow you access to cobalt, well goes your capacity to to create any high technology
Starting point is 01:02:06 Or renewable battery or anything? There is potentially a need for some modified and more honest Restrictions on our Department of dirty tricks for example the CIA used to be allowed to assassinate world leaders In the in the 40s and 50s you know this is where we got in trouble in Congo with La Mumba or you know I end air and any number of these and then when those scandals got revealed there were legislative reforms put in place and executive branch national security reforms put in place to say okay you can do dirty work but not that dirty you can't do that the same thing needs to be done now for all
Starting point is 01:02:43 of these things you know many categories of things. For example, we just played internews and the internews CEO campaigning to governments and corporations and private sector, civil society organizations around the world that they need to economically blacklist news sites that operate on social media. And those arelist news sites that that operate on social media and those are US news sites that's this is the basis of lawsuits here in the US
Starting point is 01:03:10 like Daily Wire and the Federalist suing the State Department for because US news sites are in these advertiser blacklists and to that end I want to I want to note two things first if you if you go to my ex feed and you type in the word advertiser or advertisers and if you need to you can plug in the word USAID or CEPPS in this and I want to show you that this is not internews gone wrong. This is not a half a billion dollar a year grantee of USAID going rogue and being ideological about this. This is top-down US government policy from the White House and I'll show you the documents on that to the
Starting point is 01:03:50 White House executive branch agencies like USAID and state. Okay if you go to search and you put in the word advertiser yeah and it could be advertiser or advertisers. Okay, so there you go. So click on that left, the left image first. This is, now we talked about this group, SEPS, last time, you know, in our hit a few months ago. SEPS is a program that is basically a joint baby of USAID and the State Department and is implemented by USAID's key operational arm,
Starting point is 01:04:29 the National Down for Democracy. But this is a USAID program on countering disinformation. Internet censorship is what they do. And we went over last time, I remember we played that two minute video where they were openly saying that the plan is to get foreign governments to pass legal reform reform pass laws and regulations to stop the spread of misinformation on us social media websites so us USA would not be able to lobby the US government to do
Starting point is 01:04:53 that because we have a First Amendment Europe doesn't other Brazil doesn't but here is from an internal document February 2021 of USAID's SAVS program and now this is a 97 page document. They referenced the word advertiser and advertising in this document 31 times in 97 pages. So this is, and that was three years before that clip we just saw. How far back in motion this is.
Starting point is 01:05:16 And I can go back even further to that in 2017 and share close on that and how this network coordinated the very ad boycotts that Elon is subject to and that brought Facebook and Google to their knees when they folded to very ad boycotts that that Elon is subject to and that brought Facebook and Google to their knees when they folded to advertiser boycotts. There you go, in order to disrupt the funding and financial incentive, using the same phrases that the Internet CEO did to disinform, attention is turned to the advertising industry particularly with online advertising. So it goes on to say,
Starting point is 01:05:45 thus cutting the financial support in the ad tech space would obstruct disinformation actors. They're not human beings. They're not Americans running mom and pop shops that depend on their Facebook page to be able to advertise their flower business. No, they're reduced to the inhuman disinformation actors from spreading messaging
Starting point is 01:06:05 online. So the efforts being made to inform advertisers of the risk, such as the threat to brand safety. So this is USAID saying, we got to talk to these advertisers and say, hey, you know, brand safety is really important to all your brands. It would be a shame if you were known for putting ads next to misinformation websites like daily wire in the federalist that goes on to say additionally with this data organizations in these are part organizations this group steps runs you know is it together with u s a den and uh... in the state for that
Starting point is 01:06:38 run network of hundreds of n g o's around the world that all jointly carried this out this weather sponsor to says the aim is to redirect funding to higher quality news domains and improve regulatory and market environments regulatory means laws laws laws about this like the EU Digital Services Act redirect so this is a top down US government plan to financially re-engineer the entire economics of the news industry in order to make it so that if you spread messaging against the state or against a sensitive policy issue by the state, you are put out of business, you cannot professionalize, you can't compete with CNN or New York Times or MSNBC.
Starting point is 01:07:24 Just like this is what happened to Breitbart,bart for example and they got caught up in this web They lost 99% of their advertising revenue They were going up like this and however you feel about Breitbart of this these are the these are the plain facts of this Inaction they were a rising star in the 2016 election Steve Bannon Who was you know the head of that went on to be that basically the top White House adviser directly? They got crushed when 99% of their ad revenue date this is why everyone's having to switch to bilking their our own citizens to pay for it because the natural thing advertisers would want to do
Starting point is 01:07:55 a return on investment for putting ads you know on on new sites or social media they can't do because they're getting pressure from the government and so now look at the bottom now i don't have this but any members of congress or doge or uh... or house or senate oversight or white house office of science and technology policy i implore you
Starting point is 01:08:15 a few ample examples of advertiser outreach are included in an x three i don't have that annex it's not it's not available uh... you, on the USAID website that I downloaded this from before it went down. The USAID is giving out examples of advertiser outreach, how to pressure them in order to do this. And there's much more there. If you go to the next slide, for example, you'll see this is, they have whole categories of what u s aid wants uh... media companies to do once once regulatory bodies to do once uh... all of its other whole site partners to but here's just the first two entries in this
Starting point is 01:08:53 what can technology companies to see this is u s eight telling face book twitter youtube tick-tock ready twitch eliminate the financial incentives nuclear ad nuclear ad nuclear ad revenue if if uh... if we don't like what they say
Starting point is 01:09:08 what could national governments do again this is our government funded by our tax dollars telling foreign governments that they should regulate ad networks to kill the ad revenue u s social media websites and US news entities like has been caught up in the advertiser database at state and USA under the Biden administration. And there's a million more examples like this but if you want to go to a really crazy one, there's a YouTube video that is still live.
Starting point is 01:09:40 It's by Globsec. Actually before I turn to that, do you if am I going no okay I text before we're gonna go to this 2000 May 2017 Globsec video but before I do that Jamie I texted you an image of of a piece that that my foundation just published if you it says 23 EU organizations drive EU censorship law. If you scroll up or actually if you scroll down. Oh, you know what? Actually, maybe I didn't text you. It's at the top of my X feed right now. And you'll see it might be like the fifth or sixth one down.
Starting point is 01:10:21 But yeah, just down a little bit. OK, OK, right there. OK, so so sorry. No, it's both the one above and below that. So before we get to the one above that, let's go to the one right below that. So one more below that one more, one more, one more, one more, one more, one more. It's that one. It's yeah. See those four screenshots? Yeah. So so we just reported this.
Starting point is 01:10:45 This is 23 US-funded organizations who are all signatories or implementers, signatories to the EU's Code of Practice on disinformation, which if US tech companies don't comply with what the EU, a foreign body, calls disinformation, the penalties for that are losing 6% of US social media companies global annual revenue or get kicked out of the entire e u market which is five hundred fifty
Starting point is 01:11:10 million people you know we go through this you know in in this in this here but if you it's a not only are they the signatories to it uh... yet basically helped craft this thing and the u s government stamp on this uh... but if you if you go to if you see that they're also the implementers they're the ones who are helping define disinformation in the e you that targets u s social media companies in u s news that website so go to the fourth one go
Starting point is 01:11:36 to the fourth the four thing right here now this but my foundation just report is well uh... we got access to a in a white house interagency working group for for information integrity this is one of the censorship weasel weasel phrases we
Starting point is 01:11:52 saw words information integrity is what you just saw that u s a document about hike redirecting ad revenue from high qual high quality news outlets to low quality news outlets they make that determination by determining high integrity news outlets to low quality news outlets. They make that determination by determining high integrity news and low integrity news. So basically if they like you they call you high integrity. If they don't like you or you're publishing a scandal or you say hey the COVID vaccines might have some problems with them, hey there might be some issues with you know
Starting point is 01:12:18 what happened in the 2020 election, hey you know what's happening with our Ukraine aid? Low information integrity. So this phrase, information integrity, is one of these evolving sets of weasel phrases in order to do internet censorship while making it look like it's just an intervention to help you, we're making the information integrity ecosystem better so that we have a healthier information environment.
Starting point is 01:12:42 Well this is directly from, this was centrally coordinated from the White House. This working group has 26 US government agencies and programs participating in it. They're partnered with 14 outside universities, as well as a whole row of private sector firms. USAID is one of those, by the way. USAID is a contributor to this in the Biden administration.
Starting point is 01:13:04 This started in December, twenty one really got the wheels turning in december twenty twenty two but this is from the white house office of science and technology policy itself where where it's someone from white house the other co-chairs are from od and i the director of national intelligence the job that uh... tulsi gathers currently uh... you know campaigning for. DARPA you know the Pentagon's brain as well as the National Science Foundation which is the civilian arm that that funds all the censorship work but here you have from the Joe Biden
Starting point is 01:13:34 White House itself engagement with international partners that this this is three years ago before the you know before this thing even really kicked in in the way that it now is. Engaging with our international partners outside the United States on our censorship efforts, establishing a partnership with the European Union to provide US researchers, now that's their cover word, that's the big lie word of all of this all this it's operations but they call them researchers to make it look passive rather than active and I can go through a million examples of that to show how deep that lie goes with access to social media data accessible under the 2022 EU code of practice on disinformation every single one of these researchers is
Starting point is 01:14:20 connected to the blob whether directly or indirectly they're either a part of organizations that are sponsored by USAID the State Department the Defense Department or their Transatlantic Networks in the UK like the UK Foreign Office or they are indirectly partner they're partnered with one who is every single one of these they don't just like researchers they got to be credent they got to be accredited they got to be credentialed they got to be vetted in fact A lot of these there these internal documents talk about how you know only basically the the trusted Inside web should be able to get access to this
Starting point is 01:14:51 But what they're saying is the US government can't pry that out of Facebook's hands. We have a First Amendment We can't we can't make them subject to a code of practice on disinformation There is no legislative bill that will pass Congress that will force them to give over that will force facebook to give over the you know that the private messages and all the internal algorithm and spread of information to a random US University like a you know you know pick your poison the University of Washington or or the University of Stanford to a random University that everything you thought was safe and secure on the platform is now being given to a private
Starting point is 01:15:33 you know University because it was crowbarred out of your out of the platforms arms by the government this is the sort of thing the NSA does when the NSA has you know secret war does when the nsa has you know uh... secret warrants forcing facebook to uh... compel you know private information about the platform for the fb i and you know uh... when they're doing it uh... uh... uh... uh...
Starting point is 01:15:54 investigation or the nsa when they're doing a national security one this is doing it for private actors they're using foreign governments to crowbar u companies because we in their eyes are unfortunately bound by the First Amendment. There's a lot more there, but I can pause. Jesus Christ.
Starting point is 01:16:15 It's so amazing how thorough it is. Like the people that want to think the government is completely inept and that conspiracies aren't likely because people are not motivated and not very good at their jobs. Like the people, same people that want to say the government is terrible. It's filled with bloat. They don't know what to do. They're not capable of pulling off something with this depth.
Starting point is 01:16:39 So when you see it, when you actually see it laid out and the mechanism in which it was done through NGOs and through these other non-government organizations it's kind of astonishing it's it's kind of impressive. Oh it is and you see how it all synchronizes just like Wissner's Wurlitzer did in you know from 1948 through you know the 1970s when form you know formally it was supposed to have stopped but just that's why I say when it's too dirty for the CIA, you give it to USAID. The CIA used to do this work under covert action.
Starting point is 01:17:12 But USAID has a couple of cute tricks that make it the central warehouse for all of this. And this is why, when we started this conversation, I was saying, you know, you ain't seen nothing yet. This thing is gonna get so deep, and it's gonna connect to so many institutions that everybody thought you know like like in the Truman show they thought it was their best friend you know they thought this thing was totally independent and these were authentic conversations you're having with the cashier and it turns out oops
Starting point is 01:17:38 okay actually you're a part of this you know USAID sponsored network or the state or DOD or or-sponsored network because this is fundamentally covert action that's being done and when the CIA, the CIA is subject to restrictions on the kind of covert activity it can do. Every covert action the CIA does, which is our organ for organized political warfare, you know, George Kennan himself as well as William Casey and Colby and everyone the express purpose of it was to carry out the subversive side of the political struggle you know so that we'd have a mechanism for influencing
Starting point is 01:18:14 foreign you know the foreign affairs by creating an internal what looks to be an organic you know grassroots authentic network within the country. But we're actually funding and directing their actions, their actions to be favorable to U.S. interest. But where I'm going with this is U.S. aid is, has most of the worst scandals of U.S. statecraft and covert action in the past two decades have actually been from USAID rather than the CIA and there's a reason for this.
Starting point is 01:18:50 So after the big scandals against the Democrats and liberals and anti-war groups in the 60s and 70s, reforms are put in place and some of this goes back to the four years itself, but every covert action the CIA does has to be authorized by the president in what's called the presidential finding to take that covert action. So if the CIA senior leadership or just a rogue cell that's not even at the top of leadership, but just a rogue desk,
Starting point is 01:19:21 a rogue portfolio, a rogue network wants to run a covert action in a region, but they don't think the president will approve, or the president doesn't wanna formally sign off on it in case it goes wrong, they can walk right over to USAID, who can do the exact same thing the CIA does, except they can call it discrete democracy promotion, because it's not technically an intelligence agency
Starting point is 01:19:45 so it's not technically covert action so it doesn't require executive branch approval or foreknowledge and they've gotten in trouble in these cases in some pretty incredible ways. Can I show that? Yeah, please. So let's start with even the whitewashed version. Go to the Wikipedia of Zunzenio, Z-U-N-Z-E-N-E-O, just on the Wikipedia, and then we can go deeper on this if you want. This was a scandal during the Obama USAID era.
Starting point is 01:20:19 Now, we were running a number of rogue USAID operations in Cuba at the time. By the way, I have to say for the record, I'm no fan of the Cuban government. I'm not even weighing in on whether it's the right or wrong thing to do in terms of regime change there or liberating people there from autocratic excess by that government. I'm simply showing the American people where your tax dollars are going and how these things are structured in order to systematically fool you and to fool Congress and to fool the White House. So for example, so this is, this is, I'll show a couple other things in a second here, but so this is
Starting point is 01:20:58 Zunzano, if you just scroll for a second we'll start with this right, so it was an online social media, just scroll up one second, we'll start at the top here, it was an online social media just scroll up one second we'll start the top here it was an online social social networking microblogging service created by USAID and marketed to Cuban users this was a Twitter knockoff see the background of this is this is 2009 2014 that period the State Department USAID were gangbusters gung-ho on the promise of Arab Spring style social media revolutions to topple other governments. The Arab Spring was a Facebook revolution and a Twitter revolution. USAID pumped 1.2 billion
Starting point is 01:21:34 dollars in, you know, and we sponsored these activist groups and these civil society organizations to learn how to use Facebook, learn how to use Twitter, learn how to use hashtags, learn how to use Twitter, learn how to use hashtags, learn how to coordinate street protests so that everyone knows where to go, what street to show up on, what kind of slogans to use in order to create the pro-democracy predicate for it.
Starting point is 01:21:58 But the problem was at the time, Cuba did not allow US social media in. So they said, hmm, so they're not allowing Twitter in. How can we get a Twitter there, but without calling it Twitter, without making it look like it's coming from the US? So what they did is they took the exact same thing as Twitter.
Starting point is 01:22:16 Same user interface, same like and retweet button. Zunzunio is the Cuban slang word for hummingbird. So it means it's bird, it was the Twitter bird, the whole thing. But the whole trick about it was you have to make it look like it's coming from the Cubans if you're going to do this operation. So what you'll see is,
Starting point is 01:22:38 it began running, so this is 2010, this is right during the Arab Spring, and what you'll see is they took funds, millions of dollars of funds, that were concealed as humanitarian funds designated for Pakistan. Now I don't know if, Joe or the audience, if you've looked at a map lately, but Pakistan is not exactly the next door neighbor of Cuba.
Starting point is 01:23:02 Right? So, and this is the Wikipedia white whitewashing and we can get into the deeper layers this but contractors funded by u s eight i should note the main contractor was creative associates international is a frequent one it's c a a c a i not c i a promise they they concealed in the budget from senate from congress
Starting point is 01:23:22 from the white house national security council they said that that these were humanitarian funds for pakistan and then they ran that to their contractor c a i uh... to squawk set up a biz and teen system of front companies using came in islands bank accounts and recruiting unsuspecting business executives who would not be told of the company's ties to the US government, according to the AP. Private companies like Creative Associates International designed the network. The idea arose
Starting point is 01:23:52 after they were given 500,000 stolen Cuban cell phones that are available on the black market. And then what you'll see if you scroll down is, okay, the network dubbed the the Cuban Twitter reached about 60,000 Cuban subscribers the initiative appears to also have had a surveillance dimension allowing a quote vast database of Cuban Zunzano subscribers including gender age and receptiveness and political tendencies to be built with the Associated Press noting such data would could be used in the future for political purpose by the way these are all in quotes from the internal documents and we can go through that the data would then be used in the future for political purposes. By the way, these are all quotes from the internal documents, and we can go through that.
Starting point is 01:24:25 The data would then be used for micro-targeting efforts towards anti and pro-government users in Cuba. The developers aimed to, at first, use non-controversial content, such as sports and music, and hurricane updates, by the way. They used hurricane updates in the internal things. Basically, a humanitarian front, that if you sign up to this app,
Starting point is 01:24:43 you'll know about natural disasters in the area meanwhile What was the plan the whole time? Once they built up enough subscribers they would begin to introduce political messages through social bots and encouraged dissent In this in this astroturfing. There's a great guardian write up on this if you if you go to guardians in Zinni, oh So you can see see how crazy just type in Zunzaniini o smart mob guardian you see the internal files
Starting point is 01:25:09 explicitly said when a lawman music sports and hurricane updates you have to join you have to join you know to add this deal twitter in cuba if you want you know to be relevant in the culture and see what's trending in sports and music if you want to be safe in your homes if you want nowhere can't go on twitter cute cuban twitter uh... is that
Starting point is 01:25:30 the fastest place to get this it's humanitarian work for you know that's we're saving lives by doing this but the whole point is once they hit a critical mass they would create rental riots and and they would use this the same way they used it in Egypt and Tunisia to topple those governments under the Obama administration. They would organize smart mobs, rental riots. And if you scroll down, this is a fantastic article,
Starting point is 01:25:55 highly recommend, there's a lot more there. But okay, stop right there, oh, scroll up a little bit. Scroll up a little bit, okay. Documents show the US government planned to build a subscriber base through non-controversial news content, news messages on soccer, music, and hurricane updates. This is in The Guardian.
Starting point is 01:26:11 Later, when the network reached a critical mass, perhaps hundreds of thousands, operators would introduce political content aimed at inspiring Cubans to organize, quote, smart mops. Mass gatherings called it a moment's notice that might trigger a Cuban spring or as one USA document put it quote renegotiate the balance of power between state and society and You know so One more thing if you want to look up on this you see how they how they conceal it if you just type in USAID Zunzano and the word and
Starting point is 01:26:41 Discrete or or discrete action and you'll see how USAID when this scandal popped off everyone said what the hell how did this happen this is classic CIA work you're using Cayman Islands bank accounts you're saying it's your earmarking you for Pakistan you know Pakistani aid this has clear implications for US statecraft if this gets busted this is what the CIA is why we task the CIA to do this plausible liability if something has diplomatic blowback and we don't want US fingerprints on it we need a formal intelligence agency because there's diplomatic blowback if US fingerprints
Starting point is 01:27:16 are revealed so no yeah just discrete yeah yeah like let's see, if you scroll down, that third one might do, but if you scroll down, you put discrete action, maybe put discrete action or discrete, covert and action. I believe there's a HuffPo on this. Yeah, there you go yeah when is covert action not covert when it's discreet us aids so basically when this and if you scroll down to the bottom this you'll see if you just control after the word Senate you'll see last week Elon
Starting point is 01:28:00 Musk held an ex space directly with senator Joni Ernst who has been on this crusade to reform USAID accesses, and there's a really scandalous moment there where Senator Ernst revealed that she was actually threatened by USAID when she tried to get insight into what they were actually doing. Well, if you actually score down, if you just do the next one, basically what USAID said is, well, it's discrete democracy promotion, so it's it's you know we don't need a presidential finding for it okay maybe this is not there but basically if if you control after the word staff that might help it too but everyone can look this up independently
Starting point is 01:28:38 all this stuff okay is that the only okay maybe it's a different article but basically Senate staffers and everyone go go on YouTube, there was a formal hearing on this for oversight of what happened. And what the staffers said is, this is the staffers on the Senate Foreign Relations Committee, which is supposed to be the thing that reigns in, that gives the American people oversight and accountability for USAID gone rogue.
Starting point is 01:29:00 And what the Senate staffers overseeing USAID said is we had no visibility on this entire operation And what the Senate staffers overseeing USAID said is, we had no visibility on this entire operation the entire time because USAID told us, if they had to tell us what we were doing, people could die. This is classic CIA stuff, but the Senate was blocked. And I should note, again, when it's too dirty for the CIA,
Starting point is 01:29:20 you give it to USAID, this is why these drug operations and these terrorist operations give it to USAID, this is why these drug operations and these terrorist operations run primarily through USAID rather than directly at the CIA. The Inspector General just two weeks ago put out a report. The first time this has been publicly reported. There's been an Inspector General at USAID practically from the day it was born. It's supposed to be, this is what Joni Ernst was complaining about, Senator, Joni Ernst was complaining about, which was that how can they get away with this?
Starting point is 01:29:46 And it's because the Inspector General who's supposed to hold the agency to account from the inside, but it's an independent agency, so there's limited oversight from the outside. If you have a rogue Inspector General, they keep the whole op in-house. Don't need to tell the executive branch, don't need to tell the Senate or Congress.
Starting point is 01:30:00 Run it just like an Olly North, Iran-Contra style, self-sustained, standalone, off- standalone off the shelf private enterprise to run covert action on taxpayer dime but to not have it go through the formal approval channels well so basically you know what what they were doing here in you know in what what the OIG report the inspector general report just published and ever the best article on this and with the the link to it is John Solomon's Just the News, published this, a write-up on it, as well as the source document from the OIG's office. We're just now learning this two weeks ago, despite them doing this activity for 30 years. Turns out there's a get out of sponsoring terrorism free card at USAID, which is that
Starting point is 01:30:47 USAID cannot directly provide funding to terrorist groups, but their contractors are not required under the grant agreements to go through those OFAC style, those counter-terrorism financing. If a bank did it, you would go directly to jail. Do not pass go, do not have liberty again for the next 20 years of your life. But if USAID does it, it's completely legal right now. And so this is how you have USAID giving, you know, they just, last week, $122 million to ISIS, you know, we found.
Starting point is 01:31:21 You know, they fund all the terrorist groups in Pakistan. They fund the terrorist groups in Pakistan They fund that you know the terrorist groups in the in the Sahel in Africa if they've got purpose Paramilitary terrorist groups are extremely useful to US statecraft as For for DOD special operations work as well as for political destabilization work. I'll give a great example We'll stay in Pakistan Osama bin Laden a Peaceful what what was it?
Starting point is 01:31:55 You know a warrior on the road to peace I remember the puff pieces about Osama bin Laden before before in the movie the Mujahideen the Mujahideen Here's a great clip. Can you find the clip of Zbigniew Brzezinski? I believe this is around like 1789 Airdropping out of a helicopter 1989 no 79. I believe it was a yeah It's a big if you type in the big new Brzezinski. That's gonna be a wallop one to spell live But if you used to Zbigniew a wallop one to spell live but uh... if you choose a big new brisenski you go to youtube
Starting point is 01:32:27 and uh... you type in your moja hadine and you know what some air drop out of the helicopter and make the exact same speech that john mccain made to the as off battalion the you know the extremist paramilitary faction of ukraine that was banned from getting federal funding uh... you know in uh... twenty fourteen with democrats said they're all nazis but now they're all you know sponsored and get uh... standing ovations from in the halls of congress because now they are geopolitically useful
Starting point is 01:32:56 to pump up to capacity build seo seo seo here u.s. national security adviser brashinsky flew to pakistan to set about rallying resistance. He wanted to arm the Mujahideen without revealing America's role. On the Afghan border near the Khyber Pass, he urged the soldiers of God to redouble their efforts. Could you pause for a sec?
Starting point is 01:33:21 Notice how he said he wanted to arm thea deen without revealing america's role all point was to pump up this fundamentalist extremist terrorist group with the funding in sport they need but without revealing america's role hello u s a that's the function today but but keep my own of their deep belief in god the area confident
Starting point is 01:33:48 that their struggle will succeed the rate of about a star also almost a lot on here uh... that land over there is yours you'll go back to it one day because your fight will prevail and you'll have your homes and your mosques back again because your fight will prevail and you'll have your homes and your mosques
Starting point is 01:34:05 back again because your cause is right and God is on your side. That land is yours. Go out there and take it. We'll give you the money. Now, Jamie, if you can pull up one thing and I'm gonna just talk a little bit more about this case while you're pulling this up. You can find this I believe on my X feed. I've posted this clip but you could also find it searching either ex or YouTube of John McCain, and I believe he was with Lindsey Graham, making that exact same speech using the same language in I believe it was 2016 or I believe it was 2016 around then to the Azov Battalion folks in Ukraine
Starting point is 01:34:44 and to the paramilitaries folks in ukraine and to the you know to the paramilitaries it's almost it's almost word for word uh... you know this was is uh... let me stick on the mujahideen thing for a second because this gets back to this fundamental structuring why u s eight is allowed to is tasked with this
Starting point is 01:35:00 is a bigger budget in the c i a u s eight does it capacity bills the assets that c that CIA liaises with. But if the assets aren't there, CIA has no one to tell what to do. They have none of their agents on the ground or case officers can build an action plan unless there are assets on the ground that have money, that have training, that have food, that have shelter,
Starting point is 01:35:21 and US aid steps in to build, to put the chess pieces on the board that the c i a can that you can play with interestingly i should note that the you know the c i gets a copy of every grant to the national endowment for democracy makes this was published in the new york times and in a piece called uh... you know global that missionaries for global pluralism about u s a top
Starting point is 01:35:43 operational arm nate but but uh... the point here is why were we funding terrorists in the nineteen seventies and eighties according to our national security advisor use a big new brisenski the grand chessboard you know this you celebrated uh... apex predator of american
Starting point is 01:36:04 statecraft you know what i think he had a quote of something like well we'll army what is arming a few you know islamic fundamentalist uh... you matter uh... when weighed against the history of america winning the cold war you know that that this fundamentally destabilized and bogged the soviet union down if this was extremely effective but also how do we find the Mujahideen? Well the Mujahideen is in Afghanistan, they were, before they
Starting point is 01:36:30 became Al Qaeda and ISIS. What asset does Afghanistan have to play with in order to fund its war network, its paramilitary network? Well it's the drug network. They happen to sit on the, you know, basically the poppy fields that when exploited comprise 95% of the world's heroin if you export that and so the CIA backed State Department USAID backed and we can go through receipts of USAID doing the same, you know drugs for cash for guns work in the 1960s practically from the day it was born. But what they were doing is they were taking those poppy harvests and then they were depositing them in CIA proprietary banks like BCCI, the Bank of Credit and Commerce International.
Starting point is 01:37:19 Everyone can look this up or if you want to plug in CIA, BCCI and look at all the mainstream media reporting on this, It was a major major major scandal. You know, it had become one of the world's largest banks and it was basically a CIA front and it was a Pakistani frontman for this and it was converting, effectively washing the proceeds of these drugs so that they could be, so that the Mujahideen could buy arms. And while the Pakistani militants militants were being you know funded and trained in Pakistan and then they you know go to Afghanistan and conduct military operations against you know against you know against the Russians who were our
Starting point is 01:38:01 stated Cold War enemy the same thing's happening today though if you go on my ex feed right now I'm going to show you something related to this and how this still goes on today USAID has been busted multiple times for actually cultivating the poppy and heroin production in In Afghanistan exactly in Afghanistan. This was this was actually the inspector You know there was a it was one of the adjacent units, not, I don't think it was directly overseeing USAID, but they published a whole report on this, that basically USAID, you know, was keeping the poppy production alive
Starting point is 01:38:36 by doing, you know, what was said to be, you know, irrigation and, you know, agricultural sustainability, but targeting it in the in the in the heroin network and this by the way remember the Taliban banned banned poppy production and it was after that ban that Afghanistan became the source of 95% of the world's heroin so USAID was growing those crops now okay you can argue well hey maybe it was an accident, maybe they went rogue. I wanna show you something now from an adjacent USAID network group,
Starting point is 01:39:09 which is funded 100% by the US government, created by an act of Congress. If you go to my ex account right now and you type in US Institute for Peace, or you just put in Institute Peace, you'll see this this organization gets 56 million dollars a year from US taxpayers its office is right next to the US State Department I literally walk by it it is a so it's funded by the government it's it's accountable by the government it's accountable to the government is you know countable to you know that the
Starting point is 01:39:47 house uh... house house and senate you know uh... for for affairs for foreign relations uh... it gets all this money is a pastor from the u s state department get i think it's yet is the other go to school school and so that would that would write that right there taliban's successful opium ban so this is one hundred percent top to bottom, a direct organ of the US government. Okay, click that, click that. There you go. Okay. This Halban successful opium ban is bad for
Starting point is 01:40:15 Afghans and the world. The ban is not a counter narcotics victory and will have negative economic and humanitarian consequences potentially leading to a refugee crisis. How can they say it's not a counter narcotics victory? Look and look at the date. 2023? This ain't ancient history. This is less than two years ago. That's crazy. This is the State Department saying,
Starting point is 01:40:38 yeah, listen, 95% of the world's heroin flows from here. Keep the heroin flowing. It would be an economic disaster Well, where you think those drug money those what what paramilitary networks, you know, you hear about all these terrorist networks that you look Think about what just happened in Syria with Isis Everyone actually before I go to that Let's let's get back to Isis and the difference between between the ISIS foreign policy for the Obama-Biden world and Trump. I'm going to connect this, but wait, can you pull that back up, Jamie, for a second? I just want everyone to see it.
Starting point is 01:41:12 Don't look away. Stare straight into the sun. Go to the next receipt here. There you go. 2024 budget and brief. The U.S. Institute of Peace is seeking $56 million from US taxpayers to promote global peace and security, you know, by keeping the 95% of the world's heroin flowing in accordance with its congressional mandate.
Starting point is 01:41:36 And then, you know, and then I think I have the next screen shot is just showing that they give any examples of how it would promote peace to keep the the opium flowing? Well, well because the way they're saying it it's like this Orwellian speak. Well, yeah, you always have to invert it Right when they say peace it's war Right. So so this is this is war for example US Institute of peace was doing the same thing with the Albanian drug networks that formed a paramilitary fighting squad against the Yugoslavian government as
Starting point is 01:42:06 we were overthrowing Slobodan Milosevic. This stuff goes way back. This was created in 1984, somewhat thematic, ironic, by Congress. Again, this was a Ronald Reagan creation and why I come back to that thing that just broke the John Bolton hand grenade. The holy hand grenade of Antioch from Monty Python. This is the, you know, nothing's nothing really gets to the heart of what USAID truly is than the the image of John Bolton proudly declaring that he was the head of policy and budget
Starting point is 01:42:43 at USAID and his farewell gift from the agency was a Golden hand grenade with his name carved on it But you know what he said, you know in that in that Piers Morgan interview And I don't know if you we could play it if you want it off your feet. Yeah But you know what he said is listen I said it also said proud Reganon And this is why I come back to this. We're fighting a number of ghosts from our past here. A lot of Republicans are fine with fighting
Starting point is 01:43:13 Woodrow Wilson's ghost. He was the one who said make the world safe for democracy and gave us this doctrinal blank check to do soft power infiltration work against every plot of dirt and every foreign citizen in every foreign country on planet Earth gives us the blank check to be a global empire, okay? A lot of people say, okay, we're gonna focus on us.
Starting point is 01:43:34 You know, Wilson's a bad guy, okay, okay. But you're also fighting the ghost of Ronald Reagan. You know, I should note that USAID is actually in, its headquarters in DC is in the Ronald Reagan building. USAID and Ronald in its headquarters in D.C. is in the Ronald Reagan building. USAID and Ronald Reagan played the key role in fundamentally creating the restructured blob that we live under after the scandals of the 1970s
Starting point is 01:43:58 that the CIA was busted in. Church committee hearings, heart attack gun, mockingbird, MK ultra, you know, assassinations, all that stuff. Jimmy Carter got into power in 1976, carried out the harshest destruction of CIA operations capacity and funding ever in American history. He laid off 30% of the entire CIA operations division in a single day. That was called the Halloween massacre crippled their budget. Then the Iran hostage situation pops off in, you know, 79.
Starting point is 01:44:32 The National Security State argues this wouldn't have happened unless the CIA had its old powers back. Democrats still hated the CIA at that time because it had been directly interfering in their own domestic politics and trying to thwart factions of them, just like they're doing today against the MAGA movement side of the Republican party. You know, the universal thump has been passed around in that way.
Starting point is 01:44:54 But so they couldn't get a legislative bill to do this. So what they did is they restructured the intelligence apparatus, the covert action capacities, and the way our statecraft is done through USAID and the creation of the National Down for Democracy to take the baton from what the CIA used to do. But the whole point of it is in tandem. Now that's why you have these John Bolton at USAID.
Starting point is 01:45:19 This is why you have Liz Cheney at USAID. You know, this is what we're fighting against as we're reforming this. It's not really a partisan issues i see it even though you know statistics show there's disproportionate democrat beneficiaries but you the real issue is the magna movement is fighting the the ghost of of ronald reagan passed
Starting point is 01:45:37 the the reason republicans loved u s a john bolton types list any types love it is because this was our muscle for US Chamber of Commerce multinational companies to pad their profits because ExxonMobil, how many hundreds of billions in the aggregate has ExxonMobil and Chevron benefited from from US regime change efforts or US pressure on foreign governments in order to give them access to the petroleum in order to do partnerships with those governments
Starting point is 01:46:07 we saw that just you know a few years ago as we just went over with Joe Biden doing the same thing for barisma but so the big the big multinational businesses love this and it was sold as trickle-down economics this is the the Reaganite sort of Reaganomics and why it's attached to the hip with USAID and why this is something we need to keep in mind as we reform is that the idea was is look we do some dirty work abroad but at the end of the day
Starting point is 01:46:35 that pads profits and revenue for US companies those US companies employ US citizens and they build manufacturing plants in Ohio and and uh... manufacturing plants in Ohio and in Colorado and New Mexico and that's what allows you to 401ks that's what allows you have discretionary income that's what allows you to afford higher education and houses and a retirement plan the problem was is as globalization kept on kept a pace you know through the 90s and 2000s these same multinational corporations that the
Starting point is 01:47:07 Reaganite, you know trickle-down economics You know use the blob to to to support the Chamber of Commerce They don't hire their labor here anymore. They don't have their manufacturing facilities here anymore We're not the primary export market for this. So you have US State Department and USAID paying to help the corporate welfare of not only US-based companies, foreign currency speculators, you know, banking on the activity in the region, you know, the banks, financial firms and political insiders, and so it doesn't actually get down to the people anymore.
Starting point is 01:47:59 So you do need to restructure. If you're going to keep using this in order to qualify yet you have to have a certain minimal threshold of reinvestment in America which I'm very happy that Trump is doing by trying to bring all this investment you know you saw with Japan and other countries is trying to get them double triple their commitments we need to demand that of our own corporations if they want to have a meeting with the Secretary of State or the or the head of the Central Intelligence Agency like Pepsi did in the 1970s when we overthrew that if you want to go there. This is also this is it's so deep that it makes you wonder is there enough time in four
Starting point is 01:48:38 years to unravel this stuff? Oh no not four years. This is this is a this is a 50 year project 50 year project. Oh, yeah There are many fractal layers to this reform process And every step of the way there are going to be layers of resistance. I don't think The the people who are look we should spike footballs. We should pop champagne We should do a touchdown dance on this. This is the first serious time in American history
Starting point is 01:49:09 that the foreign policy establishment has had to be accountable to the people who pay for it. Um, even the church committee didn't cause the entire shutdown of, of a federal agency. Didn't lay off, you know, remember I mentioned the, uh, the Halloween massacre, Jimmy Carter Carter 30% of the workforce laid off yeah try would just happen with USAID which employs you know a lot more people than even the CIA did it you know at that time 99 99 percent went from 14,000 down to 290
Starting point is 01:49:38 this is in every way symbolicallyically, operationally, financially, the hardest blow the blob has ever had to suffer in terms of accountability. And it's only getting way deeper from here because- He's only been in office for a month. Yeah, well that's why we need to create a legacy and a pipeline of people to carry on these reforms which is part of my personal struggle here which is that most people 99% of
Starting point is 01:50:13 people who got involved with the MAGA movement did it because they care about the domestic they care about you know we talked about this they got because their school curriculum is woke because the the police allow crime in the streets, and the infrastructure's crumbling, and there's corruption everywhere, and no one's held accountable. They don't think about Pakistan. They don't think about Bangladesh.
Starting point is 01:50:35 They don't think about who's on the US Azerbaijan Chamber of Commerce, and how if they're living in Louisiana or Houston or Oklahoma, that actually their jobs at ExxonMobil and Chevron sort of depend on this strong arm diplomacy that we have with Persian Gulf countries. They don't care about the Persian Gulf. They care about local Oklahoma.
Starting point is 01:51:04 They have to now. In order to understand the world they live in, in order to understand what's driving the world around them, in order to understand the actual true face of the characters they thought they've known, they're going to have to become international minded. They're going to have to become versed in the interplay between the domestic and the international
Starting point is 01:51:29 One of the problems when I started out this journey in 2016 is that there was no Mega foreign policy intelligentsia. I could make all of these, you know, I was I was traveling the country Slide show presentation after slideshow presentation talking to every human I could Even DC insiders in you know in in Magwa you'd show them all of this and they didn't have a framework for understanding it they could they could see that they could see that the information was true they could see that this is you know formal government documents these are formal grant outlays to real organizations run by real people with real names and addresses it's you know but but they didn't and you'd have to explain the function of every single one of those
Starting point is 01:52:14 you know you'd have to explain for example that the Pentagon does an awful lot more than kinetic military activity you You know, for example, when I draw, this is what's coming next, right? President Trump tasked Elon Musk with sickening the doge dogs on the Pentagon. And, you know, depending on how you measure it, the size of waste, fraud, and abuse at the Pentagon ranges from a couple hundred billion. They are the biggest, you know,
Starting point is 01:52:44 federal agency in all of this. They have nine hundred billion dollar budget compared to only 44 billion at USAID and even less at CIA. So they but you know the Yahoo Finance you know published this a couple years ago a thirty five trillion dollar black hole. If you want to pull up that receipt on screen just so I don't look like I'm saying this directly myself but just type in 35 trillion Pentagon black hole the that's larger than you know the entire national debt just the amount of just a black hole in the size of the accounting budget of the Pentagon over the years from its continual you know failing you know this is on Yahoo Finance you know, failing. You know, this is on Yahoo Finance. You know, this is, and this is what, 2020, I think?
Starting point is 01:53:27 You have, when America was born in 1789 in the first meeting of Congress, there were only three agencies that were created in the beginning of time, shall we say. The first act of Congress was to create the Department of State, the Department of Treasury, and the Department of War. And the Defense Department of State, the Department of Treasury, and the Department of War. And the Defense Department became the Department of War in 1948.
Starting point is 01:53:55 What people, even now they're seeing these USAID scandals with funding to the Democrats, or funding to some of these blob internationalist republicans are funny these media institutions you ain't seen nothing yet when you get to the pentagon stuff because u s a d was created effectively in part assist pentagon activity under humanitarian front and i i talk about this a lot but but I feel the point is underappreciated, so this is sort of a good moment to go over it.
Starting point is 01:54:26 Am I talking too much, by the way? No, perfect. Okay. So everyone, you know, they say, you know, JFK is a martyred figure, and in the news again this week, obviously, with the new trove of documents and whatnot, and Trump's EO around the source of his assassination.
Starting point is 01:54:46 But the fact that JFK created US aid by executive order in 1961, and he is known and loved as a martyred figure, regardless of who in the end killed him, has given a sort of public imprimatur on USAID as it used to be called in order to try to make clear that it was not an aid organization. But now, almost even that, Paulence has dropped off as they need to defend it more and more. So they think, okay, JFK martyred a deeply beloved figure. He created USAID. It was sort of out of the kindness of his heart
Starting point is 01:55:30 It was a charity. No this was It was JFK who fundamentally supercharged America's the American military's small wars capacity This is the the terminology in the US Army War College and Special Forces around you know sort of not full-scale conventional wars they're either small small-scale paramilitary skirmishes or
Starting point is 01:55:57 insurgency counterinsurgency. So it's and the problem was is JFK was was bogged down in Vietnam bogged down in Vietnam, bogged down in Laos, and the problems that we were fighting against were not the kind of things that, you know, you'd have the political predicate after a lot of the disasters of the Korean War in 1950, and the international blowback to having formal DOD boats on the grounds.
Starting point is 01:56:22 What he believed was vital and necessary to capacity build and supercharge was a paramilitary covert capacity for DOD in the warfighting space that the CIA had at that point in the political war space. And this is done through the US Special Forces and through some of its sub-branches which are psychological operations, civil military affairs, we can stick with that, but basically these are civil military is when in order to achieve the military objective
Starting point is 01:57:00 the thing that needs to be done is actually something of the civil layer. Like for example, in order to win the war against Russia right now, NATO believes we need the biggest current Air Force NATO base in you know in Europe the the Ramstein base in in Germany we're now moving as we speak there are fighter jets and drones being moved from Germany to Romania as we are building this base that will be the point of source projection against the the Black Sea Navy of Russia against the you know against Crimea in order to you know turn the tide well that's a military operation right the the military the NATO military base against
Starting point is 01:57:57 the Russian forces in Crimea but what is actually the most important strategic objective for the military it's actually not military one? It's a civil one See there's an election going on in Romania right now You may have you may have heard about this the cancelled election in Romania with the Georgia skew this right-wing populist figure who has pledged neutrality in the war Doesn't wanna he's no so antagonize America, but he doesn't want to kill the Russians He doesn't want he wants to basically back NATO off and he doesn't want to allow this military base to be to be made well that is a civil decision by the elected
Starting point is 01:58:32 government of Romania decided by the hearts and minds of the voters of the Romanian people but that civil action will either in NATO's eyes win the war or lose the war. So the problem is, it would kind of be something of a diplomatic incident, shall we say, if NATO rolled in and did, you know, Slobodan Milosevic style air striping of, you know, air strifes against the Romanian parliament building
Starting point is 01:59:04 and rolled into, you know, rolled into the Capitol with tanks and troops just because, you know, the president was responding to the Demcrack will of the people. So you need another mechanism to influence these civil affairs. Enter civil military. This is where you get USAID in this, as well as USAID for psychological operations. For example, I've been playing this've been playing this clip for months now and showing this US military document from the John F. Kennedy Special Warfare Center. I mean the Special Forces, the Psychological Operations and Civil Military Training and Recruiting Center at at Fort Bragg the center of our psychological operations is called the John F
Starting point is 01:59:47 Kennedy special warfare training center but you USAID does that work? So for example, I've been showing a military document from the Biden Mark Milley era published in 2021 about how to plan race riots in Africa in order to in order to stop the construction of a of a port by a foreign government that would allow their force projection into the Atlantic Ocean in a
Starting point is 02:00:15 sample scenario where the US ambassador tries to get this West African country on the you know on the Atlantic Coast there to cancel the port construction in partnership with the foreign government, but that government doesn't want to do it. And so they refuse the U.S. Ambassador. They refuse the State Department. So this is literally in the planning guide and pitch book for the U.S. Special Forces.
Starting point is 02:00:37 It's available online. Right now everyone can look this up. It's all over my ex feed. I've posted a link a million times in all the screenshots. But they show the role of Special Forces. they're pitching this basically to you know to get more grant funding, that we can help a near-peer competition actually with these with foreign countries by having special forces destabilize the country, inflame racial tensions between the Africans who work in the factories
Starting point is 02:01:02 and the business owners of the foreign government in the local regional development cause mass walkouts and strikes. But if you want to pull this on screen, I can just show you these two things. If you just go to my ex feed and you can type in rent rights can just type in USAID job fairs or USAID job. And you'll see in this scenario, they talk about the interagency coordination between defense, diplomacy, and development. All the roles, yes, USAIDID job you can pull it up and what they propose is that as they are inflaming these racial tensions to cause these riots and boycotts of the local businesses that USAID would play the role of swooping in
Starting point is 02:01:56 yeah go ahead click those and I can show you the source documents and everything it's it's all over so IWC for example is information warfare center at Fort Bragg. Again they're in West Africa. Now this is a sample scenario with a hypothetical African country and I don't want to belabor this I'm not trying to cause an international incident by saying this I'm just trying to get the American people insight into why you are going to find USAID fingerprints all over Pentagon operations and no one's gonna have known about it before because you park it at USAID the military doesn't have to tell the president what they're
Starting point is 02:02:28 actually doing this is why for example you had the fight over ISIS and but we can get to this right after this but you know we'll get to how how the US military duped Trump through these these things constantly playing shell games with the numbers in Syria for example example. You'll see, what the Information Warfare Center did is, they saw a sign along the road for this port construction, and they say the plan is we need to buy the ambassador more time, because this port is gonna be, they're gonna close on it, and we need to give
Starting point is 02:03:00 the ambassador more leverage at the negotiating table. So this is a support operation for the State Department in order to secure an agreement from the African government to shut the port down. But right now, the ambassador doesn't have the smoke, doesn't have the clout, doesn't have the leverage. So the military will come in and provide that leverage by destabilizing the country, you know, inflaming longstanding friction between the African workers and the foreign corporations, popping off protests and then using their swarm army
Starting point is 02:03:28 of internews, USAID, you know, the social media campaign and media articles to, that are led actually in the background by the Information Warfare Center at Fort Bragg to illuminate the controversy to a global audience, right? This caused international financial pressure and sanctions on them. But if you go to the next slide, and a global audience, right? This caused international financial pressure and sanctions on them. But if you go to the next slide,
Starting point is 02:03:48 and here we go, USAID. So this is again, US military document 2021, Biden administration. To make sure this thing really pops off, USAID is gonna swoop in along with other NGOs to establish job fairs near the protest areas so that when we're so that when these racially inflamed african workers
Starting point is 02:04:12 want to you take to the streets they don't need to worry about losing their careers at those companies they just went on strike at because they're going to be on u.s. taxpayer dime baby it's going to be u.s. truck drivers median income you know forty five fifty thousand dollars a year paying for striking african workers to get no show jobs as a part of a race riot operation for the u.s. special forces to give leverage to the u.s. state department ambassador in order to stop a random port construction in west africa it says here within two weeks the construction company lost sixty% of its required labor pool. Mm-hmm. So it's
Starting point is 02:04:47 effective. Now you and this is where I don't know if you want you know take a breather and pivot to something lighter but this is where it starts to get really really nasty because there are layers to this that I see but because I'm not an insider I'm not I don't have access to the inside government documents I don't have subpoena power at Congress there someone has to has to get an answer on some of these questions and I was going to talk about the connection of this to you know the rental riots I should say this to, you know, the rent to riots. I should say formally, we don't know that the rent rights formerly the riots that popped off in this country in 2020.
Starting point is 02:05:31 And that I see is one of the main ways that the blob may be able to regain leverage here in the United States in the years ahead. Right. Right now, they're doing lawfare there they're trying to mend they're a little bit impotent right now because the coalition is very fractured uh... many of the stalwart international republicans have gone full maga so the bipartisan consensus on this is weaker than it was and then probably most most difficult for them there's a bit of a civil war happening even within the
Starting point is 02:06:04 democrat party because of all the bad blood between the Biden camp and the Kamala Harris camp. I mean, you need a unified network on the Democrat side to pull this off and you had Joe Biden, you know, Joe Biden was soft-couped out of office by his own party and you have half the Democrat Party who was in, it was a very contentious, long drawn out process. Joe Biden put on a MAGA hat, actually asked one of those union workers, I believe he was, one of those people at that event
Starting point is 02:06:33 for the MAGA hat to put on. And that was quite a... How about Jill Biden wearing a red dress when she went to vote? Yeah, yeah, good. It's a big deal. And when Joe Biden walked out at that White House press conference
Starting point is 02:06:49 to announce that Donald Trump had won the election the day before, people go back and watch that. I have never seen Joe Biden smile harder in my life. When he had Trump in the White House smiling and laughing, he looked like he was having a good old time. Right, right. He was happy. A stark contrast between Obama welcoming Trump in 2016.
Starting point is 02:07:09 Right, right. And Obama was backing the Kamala, you know, sort of, you know, ouster of Biden. So when they were all united in this bipartisan, you know, blob network and the Democrats were completely cohesive and a full half of the Republican Party was, you know, network and the Democrats were completely cohesive and a full half of the Republican Party was it was internationalist you could get this buy-in for example it was easy to synchronize the US Chamber of Commerce with the AFL-CIO with with with the Union Street muscle the way so USAID you you know, just back at this whole USAID Truman show and I didn't like, I say this ever, there is no, nothing you can tell me
Starting point is 02:07:52 that is not affected by the USAID Truman show. You want to talk about the music industry? I can, I tell you about USAID's complete infiltration of the music industry. How so? Oh my gosh. Okay so and maybe I can show you know receipts on screen here for a second. Do you want to we'll start with with with an easy one because it's directly connected to what we were just talking about with Zunz and EO in Cuba. So if you go to this Max Blumenthal's outlets called Greyzone News and again I'm not trying to beat up on our foreign policy establishments foreign policy on Cuba or way into that
Starting point is 02:08:27 but this is how the sausage is made and you're gonna see a million examples of this in a second of this but but go to go to just type in on Google like or any search engine gray zone news Cuban rappers USAID and you know you'll see this and and you know these are basically sponsored hip-hop artists to write you know to to do revolutionary hip-hop to appeal to to appeal to the Afro-Cuban community who the National Anthem for Democracy had identified as being a demographic. See every time we do these operations USAID the NGOs they'll submit what they call baseline assessment or strategic assessment to the State Department where they will do where they will do a
Starting point is 02:09:16 demographic segmentation of all the demographics in the country who's pro us who's against us in the region, and then they will micro target the grants in the capacity building to capacity build the burning ember to turn it into a flame. So for example, and just so you see this, but you can go to the CIA World Factbook right now, this is just the public facing CIA.gov. You can type in a random country like Burma on just see I you know world world book Burma you'll see the we keep meticulous tabs on the the
Starting point is 02:09:53 racial distribution the religious distribution the gender distribution the you know the the heteronormative versus LBG LGBT one this is why USAID and NED were we're backing and supporting Pussy Riot in Russia, you know, to do these, you know, sort of insane, you know, sort of feminist LGBTQ-style left-wing street riots. This is what they, you know, causes international incident. You can see all the USAID, NED stuff on them. Pussy Riot is the music industry. And go to YouTube and look at their music videos if you wanna see what state sponsored music looks like.
Starting point is 02:10:30 But in the Cuba case, they were, NED had published this document, NED is the operations arm of USAID, and they get a ton of their grants through it, and they're a companion star. Said, okay, all of our previous attempts to overthrow the Cuban government failed. Well, you know, something like 60% of the Cuban population is Afro-Cuban, they're radically underrepresented in the Cuban government, they have their own grievances
Starting point is 02:10:53 around policing issues and around representation issues. And they even noted in the document that that demographic, and I'm not saying this, Ned is saying this, in Cuba is disproportionately drawn to drugs influenced by rap music and suffers from overwhelming amount of youth unemployment. And so capacity building those desperate networks, capacity building the anti-addiction programs, we'll get you into the into the into the drug numbers doing job fairs and and get getting these people u.s. payroll will alleviate
Starting point is 02:11:29 their pain points on on uh... employment and they all there you know predominantly listening to hip-hop so we need to work with i believe the group is a sense you to remember not beating up on it you can make an argument i'm not weighing in on whether this is good or bad but the american people have to know this because this gets played on their
Starting point is 02:11:46 radio stations in miami this gets you know uh... art testimonials to this are at you know uh... art basil in miami every year you know and and this this is the truman show around you but you can read that graze on report for example or all right up on that all all the u s a d funding all the meetings with the US ambassador
Starting point is 02:12:07 and Western Hemisphere Assistant Secretary folks, how the whole thing was. Get to, you can talk about musicians like Dua Lipa. You familiar with Dua Lipa? I've heard the name. Yeah, don't stop now. A million of these these great hits. Fantastic musician.
Starting point is 02:12:28 I'm a big fan on the music side. Dua Lipa won the Distinguished Leadership Award. I forget if it was last year or the year before from the Atlantic Council. Atlantic Council. That's the same organization that we played on screen during our first conversation, where we went over the Atlanta Council, you know, holding up I-call bullshit placards, BS, and looking at Trump tweets and training hundreds of journalists for how to flag and censor
Starting point is 02:12:59 him saying tweets like witch hunt or Brexit slogans for you know cheaper health care the the Atlanta Council who has seven CIA directors seven former number one heads of the CIA on its board of directors that gets direct grant funding from the Pentagon the State Department and USAID the land council who had a formal partnership agreement with barisma, I should note, signed on January 19th 2017, one day before Trump became the US president. Why the heck would they give Dua Lipa a distinguished leadership award? Well, you know, she's ethnic Albanian and has activities in Kosovo, but I'm not trying to cause an
Starting point is 02:13:39 international incident when I say this, but you know her messaging around the the post Yugoslavia breakup, Balkan states and a lot of the geopolitics around Serbia right now, the US State Department has been pursuing as well as USAID and to whatever extent you may or may not be there, you know, the civil military arm of the US military. I believe, and on a privy day, inside information, this is my reading of the tea leaves that I've been laying out before everyone, is not very happy with the government of Serbia,
Starting point is 02:14:22 and they want that Serbian government, people in the Serbian government arrested, indicted and put through a process that they call transitional justice. And transitional justice is the idea that when you transition a country, when you overthrow its government or you pump up your favorite political party to win the election, it transitions from democracy, from autocracy to democracy, or it transitions from illiberal democracy to genuine democracy. It's a turnover of government, and we have doctrine, we have a whole field of scholarship at the State Department, at USAID, and that is carried out in covert ways through civil
Starting point is 02:15:05 military DOD and at CIA called Transitional Justice which is weaponizing the Justice Department and creating the criminal predicate to eliminate your political adversaries you just narrowly vanquished in a nail-biter vote in order to stop them from ever rising to power again and I'll show you some great receipts on this so that everyone can see this with their own eyes. But before I do, let me just flesh this out for a second, which is that every regional desk at the State Department or in the USAID portfolio has to compete every year
Starting point is 02:15:36 for their budget. They have to fight for their lives because the people who are at the regional desk around Kyrgyzstan and Georgia, Moldova, Latvia, Lithuania, you know uh... who are the regional desk around kyrgyzstan and you know georgia moldova latvia lithuania they're competing for in the budget for what's going to western hemisphere what's going to argentina in brazil and columbia and they're competing at sub-air so the cheaper it is to manage the political vast which of a country
Starting point is 02:16:01 the better they may have had to to to ask for a lot more money in the budget one-off in election year to run that money through democracy international or through steps for you or any number of u s eight or any d programs to fund the political party they want they want to win but they can't keep that system the it they were only given that money because it was especially
Starting point is 02:16:21 they're not necessarily can be able to get that the next time around and those bills spend money on other uh... soft power goals in the region if it's if they don't worry about the other party rising again doing what trump just did you know winning then losing the winning again it's ok transitional justice is a whole field at state and in the n g o plex uh... to make it cheap to manage the course and result of foreign elections by making sure anyone who's a serious challenger to you ends up in jail.
Starting point is 02:16:50 And I'm just gonna show you something because it's now in the news. Elon Musk this week tweeted out about a horrible situation where someone from the PIS, the Law and Justice Party in Poland, I believe is now facing arrest for clicking the like button on a social media post. Jesus.
Starting point is 02:17:07 And, you know, What was the post? I don't actually know what the post was. Was it one of Kanye's? I played the fan. I don't know. But the fact is, is, you know, Poland plays, and I've been saying this forever,
Starting point is 02:17:21 and this may be too far afield for the narrow topic of discussion today, but Poland plays an absolutely huge, probably the linchpin role in all of Eastern Europe with everything that's happening with Ukraine. Because the whole play was to kill Russian gas, and then you need an alternative gas supply into Europe to offset that, and there's only two ways to do that. One is Ukraine builds up its own gas infrastructure and exploits its endogenous hydrocarbon supply, which it has a lot of. It's the third largest in Europe, but it's underexploited. Unfortunately, they can't do that right now because Russia reconquered
Starting point is 02:17:55 that exact territory in eastern Ukraine that those sit on. The only way to do that is through exporting LNG, liquefied natural gas, from North America, you know, from the Permian Basin or whatnot in Houston, freezing it, shipping it, you know, 7,000 miles across the Atlantic up through the Baltic Straits through these newly built routing terminals into Poland and the terminals there then routing it there into Slovakia and Ukraine and Central Europe and on from there Doesn't this bring us back to what Mike Johnson said that Biden had signed an executive order that he hadn't read about liquid natural gas
Starting point is 02:18:38 Yeah, well that's interesting because that has to do also with the economics of it You know, you don't want too much supply because then the profits of the corporations, they're selling it for less margin as the supply goes up. But yeah, the LNG fight is the major one in the energy space, but it's much more expensive for LNG. That process, liquefaction, transport, deliquefaction, transport back is way cheaper than just taking out of the ground
Starting point is 02:19:04 and putting in a pipeline straight to the customer. So the European countries don't want to do this, or at least until they were strong-armed. And what the State Department and NATO have done is they've selectively bred and financed and politically supported all of the European political parties and candidates who have vowed to basically go go forward with this plan and put their put their country through an energy diversification policy and buy this expensive LNG which is skyrocketed I should know the profits of many of these these Western exporters and so again there's an argument maybe that's in the US interests if there was that
Starting point is 02:19:41 trickle down but I'll leave that aside but the point is is Poland basically is a veto right on this whole plan. Because if the Poland government says, hey, you know what, we don't want to antagonize the Russians, the Russians may actually attack us. You know, this is provocative because this is in tandem with the plan to cut off Gazprom. Also, we don't want to become a political vassal state
Starting point is 02:20:00 of the US or the UK or NATO. And this is what was starting to happen with the law and order, you know, law and justice PIS party in Poland and so this whole network the Atlantic Council network was backing to the full hilt Donald Tusk who became the Prime Minister of Poland in I believe December 2023 with that context Jamie can you pull on screen I just just re-upped these receipts. I've been posting this for months, but this is very, everyone should see this with their own eyes.
Starting point is 02:20:29 Because this gets back to OCCRP and state-sponsored media to prosecute people. This gets back to the role of the USAID capacity building, the networks around prosecutors here in the US, the USAID capacity building the prosecutor networks and we should get to that on Brazil. But let's, can we start here with Poland? Yeah. We kind of like bypass the whole music industry.
Starting point is 02:20:55 Oh, my God. No, wait, we've just, we've just started on that. Okay. Here's an easy one. Look up, look up the US music diplomacy program. So this is the, this is, but this is all music overseas or use music domestically as well Well, that's the issue is because there's this interplay for so first. I came back to the Dua Lipa Atlantic Council thing so again essentially, you know, she's calling out human rights abuses from you know, the these Balkan governments You know with a with a family pedigree and popularity in Kosovo and other places that are hugely in the geopolitical crosshairs right now. And so, and I'm not saying whether it's good or bad. Again, I'm not even weighing in on, you know, the
Starting point is 02:21:36 humanitarian abuses or whatnot. What I'm saying is, is it's music as an instrument of statecraft. Dua Lipa is, this is the the US military, the State Department, USAID, seven CIA directors, the Burisma Networks because you know she's got tens of millions of social media followers, people you know who are die-hard follower concert, she's an international superstar and her public support for calling out human rights abuses by you know these these Balkan governments that are in the crosshairs of the US State Department Makes it easier to prosecute those political figures just like with the OCC RP publishing hit pieces for hire
Starting point is 02:22:13 These people become less popular because the people who love Dua Lipa have to sort of hate those US State Department enemies this has been going on forever. Okay? Jazz diplomacy the State Department was doing This has been going on forever, okay? Jazz diplomacy. The State Department was doing this with black African jazz musicians to win the soft power war against the Soviet Union in Africa in the 1940s. State Department was working with Louis Armstrong and most of the major jazz musicians because Russia, the Soviet Union, was making the argument in these newly sovereign independent African countries who had to pick a side in the great power competition that america was
Starting point is 02:22:48 racist america discriminates against african americans uh... there's there's all this you know uh... upward mobility limitations there's you know there's no legal pretty you underrepresented the government the marxist socialist egalitarian concept of communism will liberate you from the racial inequalities of western imperialist capitalism that and so to offset that
Starting point is 02:23:15 we did jazz diplomacy and pull us up on screen as i talk about this jamie just see see this on state dot gov you can we can look up this old this list rem telling you and look up you know died US State Department jazz diplomacy and just Louis Armstrong initially pushed back on it though he said the way they're treating my people in the south the government can go to hell yes well many of them did or had a complicated relationship with it but you can I mean you can look up everyone like you know for example they targeted you know other
Starting point is 02:23:42 you know African-American musicians who were you know other you know African American musicians who were you know who are using their platform who's the guy who sings a Old Man River Paul oh my god why am I blank on the name dizzy Gillespie yeah dizzy Gillespie head of the first State Department sponsored tour okay but we've this is every job telling you it's every single genre of music is it brown music as well oh Oh my god rap music. Can I tell the evolution from from you know jazz to classical to rock music to rap? Sure. So so in the 1950s and 60s and again Jamie you can just follow along as I'm saying
Starting point is 02:24:21 all this if you want to put on screen. There was a big classical music, Shostakovich and other Russian, Soviet classical composers were more popular in Europe than American ones were and these were big aristocratic concerts and elites and they would be listening to Russian, they'd be listening to Russian music and getting to know you Russian culture and that would that would come the money would flow into the institution's prestige would insert a combat that the CIA backed a front group in this is all public you know public announced called the Congress or cultural freedom sponsored
Starting point is 02:24:59 American classical musicians to travel abroad their sponsored classical music concerts in rome and in and in paris and in and in germany in order to pop up and sponsor and have you are classical musicians be more predominant distribution or
Starting point is 02:25:22 uh... or or basically you know dominate you know we know what at the time were effectively you know the airwaves in Europe and or do that we did the same thing with rock music you know for example I mentioned pussy riot and and pussy riot being you know backed by USAID and NED in 2012 in in Russia but also look at the the German rock music seen that uh... you know in we were sponsoring these you protest rock anthems against authoritarian governments
Starting point is 02:25:53 all over the iron curtain uh... you know throughout the cold war in fact we were sponsoring them basically right up against the side of the berlin wall as we were taking it down everyone right now can go on youtube.com and watch the the documentary called taking taking down a dictator which is a in-depth pro-regime change I think was PBS who produced it this is US government funded media where it has in-depth interviews with with all of the architects of the
Starting point is 02:26:25 color revolution against Slobodan Milosevic in the 1990s working with a group called OATPOR which received 72 million dollars of US taxpayer funding in order to pump up their political operations. Again I'm not weighing in on whether it was good or bad you know I leave it to the to the audience to you know make their own determination but you can see how even in that effectively state sponsored documentary. It's the State Department's website. It's just going through the years of the music diplomacy.
Starting point is 02:26:54 Yeah, and we're going to have a lot more on that when we get to the rap program because they just sponsored 22 rappers and hip hop artists from around the world to personally come to the State Department and be trained in youth engagement and democracy mobilization in their countries and art as activism. 22 rappers from Cameroon, Algeria, France, we'll pull that up as we as we get to it. But coming back to the I think we're on the rock music side of these, they were sponsoring this protest rock. Okay, just lost my thread for a second.
Starting point is 02:27:32 I felt like I was. Have you ever read that Laurel Canyon book? Yeah, yeah, yeah. About the CIA's involvement in the rock scene in the 1960s? Yeah, yeah, yeah, weird scenes inside the canyon. Yeah. I think it would benefit greatly from a lot of the stuff
Starting point is 02:27:46 that I'm laying out now, to see how these things had a foreign purpose for pumping up a domestic scene and why you see these military interlinkages with all these music promoters. For example, they sent, in that Grey Zone article I recommended in Cuba, USAID ran that operation to sponsor protest rap music through a contractor posing as music promoters in Cuba. You know, basically looking at these local rap groups and saying, we can make you an international star, baby, you know, type thing.
Starting point is 02:28:28 And then they get radio distribution, and this is how you see these Bono types and Sting types who are at every single Save Ukraine conference. Again, not even weighing in on the substance of it. You know, you want distribution, you use, you know, you use it as a barium. And I'd be remiss if I didn't say this, even though I know that this is going to cause
Starting point is 02:28:48 a lot of headlines. But here's a great example of this. The NATO Psychological Operations Planning Center in Riga, Latvia in 2019, and you can pull this on screen. If you type in Taylor Swift NATO, or you type in, you know, what was it, trained to share messaging or just trained to messaging and this was a big news cycle. There was a huge controversy around it. A lot of people misreported it
Starting point is 02:29:21 by closing the loops on things that were that I that I didn't say but that are open questions about what really happened which which is you know this sort of Taylor Swift as an instrument statecraft when the example I give here is and if you pull this up on screen if just Jamie you'll see this and so I have it all underlined this is a public YouTube right now on NATO's formal website, the Western Military Alliance. They set up this psychological operations, strategic communications cell to do internet censorship and information operations out of after Crimea
Starting point is 02:29:56 and Riga, Latvia. And in 2019, they held a conference there about how to use AI scanning technology to map out narrative distribution networks on social media, Facebook, Twitter, whatnot. And there's three people who are at this thing. One of them was 77th Brigade from British Intelligence who are presenting to NATO.
Starting point is 02:30:22 One of them started their career in the Central Intelligence Agency. And one of them was put in the description is someone who worked at, who was part of the Johns Hopkins School of International Affairs school, but that actually was announced on the panel. And according to their LinkedIn,
Starting point is 02:30:42 was actually working at the time for Grafica which is the which does this internet censorship they get seven million dollars from the Pentagon they were incubated they were they had they were formally incubated inside the Pentagon's Minerva initiative which is the psychological operations research center of the Pentagon when the Pentagon wants to do psychological operations in Africa or in Central Asia they turn to the thought leadership the
Starting point is 02:31:12 Policy planners who pitch ideas about well, you know these tactics work So for example one of the Minerva initiative grants not to graphic of this group But to others because theirs was for Russia gate stuff, know sort of psychological operations you know stuff around fighting the hearts and minds were against Russia but graphical but you know others in in the cohort were how to secure citizen buy-in after a crisis event it in order to make people trust their government against when we topple the government and people think it's a it's a coup I mean basically how to get people to trust their government when they're skeptical of it and then you turn around and see Grafica was partnered with the
Starting point is 02:31:51 Atlantic Council as well as the US Department of Homeland Security to censor the 2020 election and partnered with you know our own NIH to censor COVID but the fact is all three people on this panel were involved or had a career at one point in it in intelligence work and and specifically, you know at least with two of them psychological operations and on screen And Jamie if you can find it you're I think you're gonna you're gonna you're gonna save us both a lot of headache because everyone will just see it right there in red underline on a YouTube video everyone can pull up
Starting point is 02:32:25 right now if let me know if you're having trouble finding it just trained to spread maybe and I'll have this my time but it literally has a pitch to NATO. I'm not sure what I'm looking for exactly for that video. It's a 2019 NATO conference right? Yeah if you just type in if you just go to my x-feed And you just hit the search bar and you type in Taylor Swift. I'm on YouTube though You said to go to YouTube. No, no my x-feed is the best way to search it But it has a a picture on that slide deck where again this is Psychological operations planners pitching to NATO the world you know the Western world's military, and the slide has a picture of Taylor Swift and it
Starting point is 02:33:07 says basically says something like, and when the receipts are on the screen you can read it directly, it says, you know, example of, you know, celebrities who can be trained to spread desired messaging. I think that was the exact phrase, trained to spread desired messaging. And the presenter goes over the drawbacks of
Starting point is 02:33:23 this and how, and you know, what we need to decide, some over the drawbacks of this and how and you know what we need aside so the more efficacy of this but basically saying that with the artiller swift has worked in various things before that have been empirically shown to move the needle on government initiatives for example her get out the vote you know uh... or get out the vote work uh... increase the vote
Starting point is 02:33:40 her public health campaign stuff bob by and that would don't that video has like her so they get positive that they're not going to scroll up scroll right there positive and if you if you see that goal identified key actors to train and spread desired messaging this is on nato's we pay for nato
Starting point is 02:33:58 we paid for this to be pitch now here's where some of the story got misreported i don't know that anyone from nat directly reached out to Taylor Swift or her campaign to do that. I'd, this, and if they did, this would not be formalized in a formal Pentagon grant or quid pro quo, but I should note, look at who the biggest sponsor of South by Southwest is in, in Texas now.
Starting point is 02:34:20 It's the military. Go ahead and look up the scandal if you want about uh... south by southwest uh... pentagon funding they've taken over the music industry because it's the hearts and minds work okay i guess that just happened in twenty twenty four let's see the if you if you go to okay so this is cause so much problems uh... from for the past couple years that i guess they're now they're now roper reforming this but if you if you run a bully and search for before
Starting point is 02:34:46 2024 you'll see this but basically the Pentagon or if you scroll down maybe it might be right there So it caused this big boycott because the Pentagon in tandem with this music diplomacy program in these USA aid backing of these things Okay. Well, that's it. That's a that's a u s army in palestine one but you'll see the numbers on this basically the pentagon moves into this just like they were giving dual leap of the awards just like the work with pussy riot just like they
Starting point is 02:35:17 have twenty two in fact you can look this up if you want the state for a music diplomacy program twenty two rappers hip-hop these people become network notes they become assets to play with an incredible example of this that i that i hesitate to to discuss here because i know that the organization that these documents we'd be from this is contesting uh... you know the it you know these documents leaked from is contesting
Starting point is 02:35:45 you know these documents but there's there's evidence to suggest the same play around recruiting the hip hop artists in Cuba and you know in break dancing news diplomacy meets hip hop twenty two artists visit the u s this is the u s state department we are paying to recruit them as assets so when they go and you go and look at the country list if you if you want look how far and why this is to the edges of the earth you know uh... it you know the mongolia cameroon you know there's there's a whole there thing here. But basically, it was protest rock, you know, it was protest rap in Cuba for that USAID
Starting point is 02:36:30 operation. It was protest rap. You know, there's language, for example, in this gray zone report around Bangladesh, and I'll leave it to the current fight between them and the National Democracy about the nature of those documents but you know those documents that the gray zone published have two rap songs in Bangladesh that have lines like they were designed to inspire anti-government act sentiment and to and to promote street protests and uh... and political reform i mean
Starting point is 02:37:05 it literally writing rap albums to get people to take to the streets and pull off the exact riot that the state or wants to destabilize the country music penetrates i mean this is what they got really taxes during the cold war and enter in the nineteen eighties because it's it's a kind of back in documents, they talk about how sponsoring individual artists
Starting point is 02:37:26 is actually sometimes a lot more effective because they do art and activism. While they're doing, they're putting on these festivals, they're promoting an agenda at the festivals. While they are putting these songs on radio distribution and supercharging their brand, those songs have themes and messages about taking down
Starting point is 02:37:46 authoritarian governments and the people got to rise up and you know, you have to represent the will of the people, we have to end poverty, you know, and then they'll make the arguments, the government's fault that there's poverty, we have to end racial or gender inequality and then the State Department or USAID will be working through its demographic segmentation with those exact groups. This is another reason we've been pumping up these feminist groups and these LGBT groups. If you want for example you can pull up the WikiLeaks CIA red cell memo that showed how the CIA
Starting point is 02:38:18 pitched to the State Department in the during the Afghanistan war that the best way to shore up additional funds from European parliaments is to transition states' media octopus messaging from a national security predicate for the war to a feminism and a women's empowerment one because of field work and polling from the Central Intelligence Agency around Europe showed that European parliaments and and voting demographics felt it said on surveys that they were more more willing to give money or wanted to give more money from their their own government coffers their own taxpayer
Starting point is 02:39:00 funds to the war in Afghanistan if it was about stopping repression against women or if it was about giving women more rights in the society and whatnot and so that that wasn't because the CIA loves feminism now this was a cold calculated instrument of statecraft to shift the messaging and then also to work with these exact groups who have that cleavage point axed to grind against their country as part of the mobilizations. It's how you see a lot of these women's marches and women's protests, or you see a lot of these sort of protected class ones, because that also gets you the human rights predicate
Starting point is 02:39:37 to add sanctions and other protected speech measures. Like this is why the State Department pushed Facebook to put hate speech provisions in place to stop hate speech against the Rohingya. One of the things that's come up that has been talked about quite a bit over the last couple of years is that the government had some sort of an influence on the emergence of gangsta rap and the promotion of it.
Starting point is 02:40:05 What do you know about that? I don't have a good record You know in the in the 80s and 90s There's there's a lot of strange things there And I want to tell you what I really feel um it is highly controversial though, and I I um I'm not sure with everything else that we're covering and
Starting point is 02:40:26 some of the other things that I you know I'd like to be able to just hit before the conversation concludes about about USAID's control and influence over prosecutors and an example in Brazil since I know that a lot of people in Brazil want to get to Brazil okay yeah I'm gonna get a lot of trouble if I say this. When you read that national endowment for democracy, oh, we didn't do the Poland one. Can I just, can we circle back to this in one second before, just because this really is
Starting point is 02:40:59 an appropriate international incident to talk about this here. If you go to my ex feed and you just type in search Poland or the word PIS as a one-off or you can just scroll down you'll see I reupped it you know earlier this morning you're gonna see the National Down for Democracies in-house journal called the Journal of Democracy again the NED is this CIA front group the New York Times reported the CIA gets a copy of every grant that they make.
Starting point is 02:41:29 Their own founders say that they were created, that the CIA got in trouble for sponsoring pro-democracy groups around the world in the 1960s, and that's why we don't do it anymore, and that's why the National Endowment was created, basically to take the baton from the CIA during that transition between Carter anti-CIA and and Reagan pro-CIA this was the compromise between
Starting point is 02:41:50 left and right and that that's why they have two political cores IRI and NDI but can you pull that back up okay USAID's partner in operations arm National Down for Democracy has been specifically demanding down to us government in Poland must find ways to arrest high ranking members of the PIS party in order to quote stamp out populism they wrote this the first month in office so and again you'll see this is responding to someone facing three years for language let's click on this and again we pay as taxpayers for the production of national announcement for democracies in-house journal the journal democracy so what what what what what can you can you to some out of it
Starting point is 02:42:27 when you see this yet gaga perfect how to dismantle the liberal democracy so again nato was at war with the p i s party they want a more cooperation on security on economic issues whole other can of worms they wanted donald tusk the pro e u prone super pronato uh... candidate to win uh... he wins
Starting point is 02:42:47 the month he takes office is december twenty three national out for moxie the c i a publishes this let think peace how does mental in a liberal democracy and again i think formally you know it's published here is supposed to you know not technically it's published in the net publication doesn't means that from policy but this is what they're publishing you're paying for how did so they're saying listen it's not an autocracy in poland unfortunately we can't call it a dictator like putin the ccp
Starting point is 02:43:13 it's democracy because the people voted for it and the one fair and square but it's in liberal democracy because the democratic institutions don't you know are not are not having their way but here's what it says. Poland may be setting out its first steps in quote, stamping out populism and holding those responsible for the worst violations of rule of law. That means the criminal justice system. Now get to the next one. Next slide. Poland's new government must therefore do more than just return to liberal democracy. It must address transitional justice, the same thing, all over every U.S. aid operation.
Starting point is 02:43:49 It has to arrest the people from the government we just transitioned from. Prime Minister Tusk and his coalition must, again, not should, not maybe should consider, maybe if there's something there, must stabilize the political system, mean rain in that against losing in the next election to ensure that populism does not return in the next election while trump is a populist president bolson i was a populist president marine lapin is populist in france but they'll see the news populist in italy the box part but this is state department us a policy everywhere in this part of the can of worms is gonna have to be unwoven here but this
Starting point is 02:44:28 is a direct order that in order to make sure you win the next election and we don't need to keep funding you or or projecting our wedding our soft power apparatus a prop you up arrest these people so they can't run against you again go to the next one he's in that it's not just tell them that you must do it if you want to get u s eight support like the beret you know the ucraine uh...
Starting point is 02:44:54 ukraine berets malone typing but here's what says the new coverage therefore focus attention on whether and how spectacles can be punished at present there are a number of cases that should be tried immediately the hotspot the frigging hotspot this is a foreign cut for as far as the polish people's people are concerned
Starting point is 02:45:14 this is a foreign government foreign c i a front apparatus imploring their own elected government about which citizens there that they need to arrest those citizens and even giving them the list of targets imagine if the russian ministry of affairs sent donald trump said not only do you have to
Starting point is 02:45:37 uh... you know uh... arrest the remnants of the of the kamala harris joe biden campaign but we're giving the list of target names here's who pambandi the attorney general file criminal indictments against this is an international incident again technically i believe what's published here is not they're not supposed to be
Starting point is 02:45:57 you know does not represent it's like retweets are not endorsements but you're paying for this organization you're paying for this journal and this is what they're publishing as a command to a foreign country this is a trump ally by the way that that that the i s party which is another part of this net is doing a boomerang attack by preventing p i s is uh... popularity in poland they do a boomerang attack against the farm policy
Starting point is 02:46:20 international coalition that trumpets so here the case is these include the twenty fifteen appointment judges to sell going as arresting people for appointing judges here's no one to arrange a suppose of the unconstitutional presidential election by mail-in voting during the pandemic w two e a t f we hate railed uh... it was practically a crime to not support
Starting point is 02:46:43 uh... mail-in bet mail-in voting now with that with the national effort of our secure but over there it's they're saying it's a crime to have done it and then the yellow range is supposedly unconstitutional president election by mail-in voting during the pandemic why yes we can get all into this u s a denny d rabbits nesting all the domestic entanglements a lot
Starting point is 02:47:04 and also the twenty twenty visa scandal uh... yeah uh... yet like this is the same thing they did you give you you've ever seen the aloha andro myorkis is visa scandal from when he was in the obama d h s and he was the deputy there you can pull this up on google i believe it's twenty fifteen the guy who was our head of the h s which is the domestic interplay with all these farm blob organizations
Starting point is 02:47:26 was busted by zone inspector general in this in at doing fast pass no look expedited veto visas for for uh... you know for obama political donors and not had putting it through the process you know just it and the visa scandals are all over this year it was john brennan as c i station chief by the way and uh... in in saudi arabia uh... in in the rock tonight eleven
Starting point is 02:47:50 issue who together with the u.s. consulate issued the visas to fifteen of the nineteen nine eleven hijackers that was our visas now look they're only eleven of the nineteen were saudis they were actually giving the saudi visas to non-saudis in nineteen fifteen of the 19 were Saudis. They were actually giving Saudi visas to non Saudis and night 15 of the 19 You can read all about this in the in the guy who ran the visa desk for that US consulate is J Michael Springman. He wrote a book called visas for terrorists Yeah, where he goes over how the whole the whole thing was done
Starting point is 02:48:20 But wait, wait, I'm not done. There's there's one more there's can you on on that? but that we we are not done this there's one more this can you on on that can you Pull up the fourth the fourth one the fourth thing because it's a doozy. So go to the go to the next one These are just illustrative tips the cases and maybe just the tip of the iceberg of Who are CIA front group our USAID operations arm is saying must be done Naturally the leader of the law and justice party himself the democratic elected president does what happened to donald trump now after the transitional justice that happened when buying justice department of power starting to make a little bit
Starting point is 02:48:57 more sense now should be held responsible but legally proving allegations against him will likely be difficult damn the problem is we don't have a case we want to arrest him but uh... we actually don't really have anything good to get him on so let's get all his his lieutenants the objective pacification stability you don't need to worry about the winning the next
Starting point is 02:49:19 election st populism as a political possibility in Poland will be stamped out because the intelligence networks and the money arm of USAID and the corrupted and warped prosecutors are all on the take. Jesus. By the way, multiply this problem basically in every country on earth because we can get to a dozen of these. Here's a fun, can I do a fun exercise real quick? Sure. Here's a fun, can I do a fun exercise real quick? Go to google.com and just, you know, I'd mentioned this exercise before,
Starting point is 02:49:47 just literally, we're just gonna go maybe five, six pages and just read what pops up. And I haven't even fully done this exercise. I'm just, I'm so confident in what I'm about to say that we can do it live. Go to Google and type in USAID and then again, bullying quotes, the phrase the phrase quote judicial reform i can also show you have i've you showed some experience okay all right
Starting point is 02:50:10 so yeah let's just go through a list of countries that we are whether we are seizing the judiciary we are influencing the judges the courts the legal system the criminal justice system the prosecutors okay let's just start up to work okay so uh... what what is that country you cook on that link for second and go back in the project in the republic what republic is that
Starting point is 02:50:32 serbia what do you know we're back to do a leap up can't stop now so so we are to be our to and so that u s that atlanta council uh... distinguished leadership award started a little bit more sense now there's an in process uh... attempt to
Starting point is 02:50:48 uh... basically bribe and co-opt the very same criminal justice system that our state sponsored uh... musical performers i should say sponsors are state awarded uh... ones are are calling to take action gets a kill us look at what's the next one this one didn't come up they give me a blank page i mean that's it's down okay for advancing you e integration queen see the country name and number two
Starting point is 02:51:10 that didn't really didn't like a e integration that's like for example they want to you know fold these eat the ucraine into the e you've read this bit of big you know big thing about this join the market you know does join nato that's that's what this is how do we get the criminal justice system on board you know with basically criminalizing opposition to it uh... and we can keep wait just keep keep scrolling down which can do this for like four five pages i just wanna
Starting point is 02:51:33 you know you'd like literally every single one of these is a government program okay so here there that that one above was d r c with democrat republic of congo k where how we are uh... taking over the court systems in in congo are gone gone to the next page here okay uh on to the next page, or here? Okay, yeah, next page. Okay, so let's see here, okay, more on Congo, okay. Uzbekistan, we're doing this in Uzbekistan.
Starting point is 02:51:56 Albania, we're doing it in Albania. Yeah, it keeps going down here. Let's see, El Salvador, we were doing it in El Salvador. This is one of the reasons you can imagine to kill a was the first one on x to say oh my god there's no more rent rights in al salvador and one why was u s eight so opposed to what we were we're doing getting the drug networks
Starting point is 02:52:15 okay here's here's for u krain here's for uh... uh... is uh... central america here's uh... more for serbia here's for georgia every this is stock standard doctrine it's the same u.s. aid truman show everywhere we go this thing has been dialed in for sixty years that's why i say it's going to be fifty years to untangle this
Starting point is 02:52:36 because you can run the political head was all time you don't think you're gonna have money flowing back to the public are going to go straight to the partners in europe and you know around the world to to the... By the way, they're gonna go straight to their partners in Europe and around the world to do top-up funding for what they lose from USAID. For example, they might go to the European Endowment for Democracy. They might go... The EU may have to start making funds to these US anti-Trump networks.
Starting point is 02:53:01 They may have to tap into their allies in China or their you know their allies and other central american or uh... or south american governments mark my words st that u s a truman show that joints you know these sensors in exile these you know regime changers in exile right now are going to club on to every international ally the human can't humanly can they will be they will be
Starting point is 02:53:30 pressurizing the united nations pressurizing multi-lateral organizations like nato the e u uh... and and you know even some of these economic development tax uh... to use the critical components they have there and sometimes dominant spot they have there and sometimes dominant spot they have there to weaponize those assets and that gets back to this sort of EU fight but I can pause and move to Brazil for pause FP okay when I come back rap music Brazil yeah so first hip hop yeah okay the thing that you think you're gonna get in trouble for you know, maybe this well you already teased it I Think it was the 2009 national depth and national out for democracy
Starting point is 02:54:19 Cuba rap journal of democracy article that I believe was co-authored by Ned's founder Carl Gershman You know who openly said that Ned does what the CIA used to do, that they effectively took the baton from it. And again, the CIA has copies, according to the Washington Post and New York Times of every grant Ned makes. When you look at the analysis, the in-house analysis done by Ned there, that there was this dense interplay between the Afro-Cuban population and the drug networks in Cuba. And then you look at the role of hip hop and drug culture in retailing what is wholesaleed in obviously USAID, CIA, Pentagon, narco
Starting point is 02:55:12 networks. Like for example we talked about the Mujahideen, narco network. They even set up a CIA bank right there to back it. We did the same thing in 1960, USAID set up in 1961 at the very moment, two weeks before USAID was created, JFK awarded the green beret to the Special Forces. Just two weeks before that. Then he creates USAID, that was October 1961, November 1961 he creates USAID, December 1961, one month after he launches Operation Pincushion in Laos for the US Special Forces to train and recruit hillside guerrillas in Laos
Starting point is 02:55:51 who are primarily funded by the drug networks that they sit on in the Golden Triangle. They sat on the opium of the Golden Triangle and the way they financed their own guerrilla war ci ci backed war and this is all well known Bing Pow was the CIA it was the commander there of the CIA mercenary rebel forces there In in you know, this is 1961 to 1967 in this period I'm talking about special forces go over there to recruit these hillside guerrillas They form an army Bing Pow is made the head of it. This is gonna connect to the rap thing in a sec Bing Pow was Ving Pao is made the head of it. This is gonna connect to the rap thing in a sec. Ving Pao was financing the CIS mercenary army by retailing the opium from Laos
Starting point is 02:56:35 into these networks in Southeast Asia, like the C.I. proprietary banks, like everyone can look up Nugent Hand Bank or Castle Bank and Trust, these C.I. banks that were set up to wander basically drug proceeds and they all got in a lot of trouble for this in a few decades ago. Now the problem was is they couldn't sell enough because they were a scrappy little upstart you know
Starting point is 02:56:56 group of hillside guerrillas. So what did USAID do in 1967? This is the 1960s how long this has been going on. So they were recruited by the special forces, they were managed by the Central Intelligence Agency, USAID provided the financing, and this is all in according to and in the Senate testimony of Professor Alfred McCoy, this is his book called The Politics of Her heroin in Southeast Asia He's testified from the Senate Foreign Relations Committee in 1972. He detailed all this in his book, but USAID financially provided the financial assistance for ving pow and his
Starting point is 02:57:38 Narco terrorist network to purchase two airplanes from two CI proprietary network to purchase two airplanes from two CIA proprietary companies. One of them was Air America, another one was Continental Air Services. Both of these have been revealed in subsequent years to be CIA proprietary airlines. So the CIA commander, the commander of the CIA Rebel Army, buys two planes from two CIA airlines and then uses them to traffic and retail the drugs by selling them to the market in Vietnam where we had special forces boots on the ground. So basically it was wholesaleed by the CIA in that case and then it was the logistics for that network were provided by USAID and then
Starting point is 02:58:20 it was retailed to poor unsuspecting souls all over Southeast Asia. Play the same game in the Golden Crescent with Afghanistan. Play the same game with the cocaine trade in its route from Peru and Bolivia up into Colombia and then up into the distribution networks in Miami, Los Angeles, Chicago, you name it. When you start having organized crime and drugs as the front end that retails the products and services that are wholesale and part of a intelligence or military operation, you know, you can't sell those drugs by having someone with a Department of Defense ID badge on the street corner, you know, on 187th and Broadway. Those there are retail networks for that and that is the role of many of these drug mule and organized crime
Starting point is 02:59:27 Networks all over the world and I have serious concerns about Networks in Chicago, I mean, you know Gary Webb obviously wrote all about this in Dark Alliance and You know, there's all sorts of fantastic books on all this if, if you want to read more, like Operation Gladio by Paul Williams. And there's so much in this field, but the role of narcotics is in financing black budget military covert operations in every major place they spring is a black box that is not my crusade. Frankly, again, I wish we didn't even go here because, but I do feel like you do need to have a side-eye glimpse into some of these worlds to understand internet censorship.
Starting point is 03:00:18 Because you are going to find USAID NGOs, if Bukele had not done the radical reforms that he had had the internet would have been completely censored by USAID and the State Department in order to rig hearts and minds against against him because they would have they would want to stop him from cleaning out the these drug gangs he was stopping cleaning up the crime you're gonna see the same thing about fact-checkers in Pakistan and you know for example according to the Grey Zone report on US aid and NED in Bangladesh and in fact this is actually I believe on the US embassy in Pakistan's website, the countering misinformation training seminar they had with the guy who's now the top foreign advisor in Pakistan and
Starting point is 03:01:08 they brought in the executive director of PolitiFact, flew him all the way out to the U.S. Embassy in Pakistan to train journalists about how to counter misinformation. These same journalists center seminars. We're seeing you in our news do we see steps do you know? We see at the Atlanta Council do But I come back to The US Institute for peace on a live URL as we speak not even two years ago Made an impassioned plea to the Taliban to keep 95% of the world's heroin flowing You have to
Starting point is 03:01:49 Explain that to the American people that is the State Department's policy If us us is to a piece is not going to go rogue against the State Department foreign policy there Because they're funded by the State Department You see the same thing with these ISIS terrorist drug narco networks. Anyone remember the WikiLeaks email? Jake Sullivan to Hillary Clinton while Hillary Clinton was Secretary of State.
Starting point is 03:02:12 ISIS is on our side in Syria. Well, that means the more of those poppy crops that get retailed off to ISIS networks, the more powerful and well-financed they are the more they can pay their soldiers or stop their soldiers from defecting as from being mercenaries and lo and behold that same network just toppled the Syrian government and I should note structuring through USAID is the sauce to this because the there is a sitting tweet from the US Embassy in Syria from 2017 when Trump was wiping out ISIS
Starting point is 03:02:47 that put a 10 million dollar bounty on the head of Mohammed Al Jalani, the commander of those forces, the current basically head of state in the interim government in Syria. There was a 10 million dollar bounty on his head under Trump. They made the argument that his HTS group was an al-Qaeda spinoff and no al-Qaeda allowed. Well, according to his own military generals, who said this openly in mainstream media after the fact, we were constantly playing shell games with the numbers to hide the troop activity and you know and what we were doing on the ground in Syria and and the broader region if you don't need a presidential finding to finance a terrorist group or a paramilitary group it's too dirty for CIA president won't approve run through USAID and was this
Starting point is 03:03:40 have to do with hip-hop well, you have these narco networks. Like for example, like what I was saying about, the USAID bought the airplanes for the CI, for the wholesalers to move it to the retailers. And when you have this intersection between hip hop and the drug economy, hip hop popularizing it, you have a lot of between hip-hop and the drug economy, hip-hop popularizing it, you know you have a lot of these rappers who've said you know
Starting point is 03:04:08 we're told by our promoters or our managers to you know you know lean into that stuff, you have the whole organized crime gang, I'll give you an example this is in Gary Webster Alliance where he goes through this network from you know basically the CIA playing us and the war and the Defense Department playing a leading role in propping up these narcotics trades in South America because they were pumping up right-wing death squads and right-wing paramilitary narco gang networks that were violent and effectively shut down left-wing Marxist theology movements who were considered pro-soviet. This is how you have a lot of this
Starting point is 03:04:48 for example with Iran-Contra and the Reagan years. So he makes a very compelling case about the role of the US intelligence community and at the wholesale level in Peru and Bolivia and at the actual processing in Colombia and then the movement and and at the actual processing in in Columbia and then the movement and transport to the to the gangs in Los Angeles and Miami and Chicago and the like and that wholesale movement effectively goes from you know Langley slash Crystal City in DC DC Virginia to a sort of you know Hispanic population in in South America into you know into you know other you know into gangs that are retailing it you know in
Starting point is 03:05:36 into these Compton gangs into these you know you know these Chicago and and Miami and New ones, you have a culture of drug use that creates a market for selling the proceeds so that drugs can be turned into cash, which can then be used to purchase guns. And when you see this liquid seamlessness there, and then, you then, I don't want to tax Jamie too much, but this Grey Zone report in Bangladesh has specific language with the National Dammit for Democracy and one of its sub arms
Starting point is 03:06:18 making explicit grants to Bangladeshi rap groups for the explicit purpose of getting people to take to the streets in in street riots and protest movements and to undermine public faith and public confidence and favorable sentiment for the then in power Bangladeshi government in the art in you know they were they were targeting the youth movements remember when we pulled up the 22 hip-hop artists on screen and the whole thing was about youth mobilization? These people formed the front end of the destabilization.
Starting point is 03:06:52 So your argument is essentially that this game plan is ubiquitous and that this game plan is done in the United States too to promote drug use and drug selling which they profit off of. I'm not even going that far. What I'm saying is there's a useful role of music and other artistic and cultural ventures for creating a market for something
Starting point is 03:07:19 that helps U.S. statecraft. For example, this is the major major major scandal. The head of the Central Intelligence Agency, John Deusch, had to had to travel to Compton in 1997, I believe that was the year, in order to plead with the black population there that what had happened with the CIA's role in the drug trade was a sort of you know occasional one-off accident, wasn't authorized, wasn't supposed to happen. But the fact is, those narco networks supported the Nicaraguan Contra movement.
Starting point is 03:07:52 You needed a market to sell it. And those were inner city urban populations in Los Angeles that were, they weren't the ones growing the cocaine, that was in in Peru and Bolivia And then it was processed in Colombia and then it was you know, that's all that stuff that Michael Rupert exposed Yeah, there's there's been a there's been a million and it's everywhere you look and it's not just South and then again I don't want to you know, this stuff is all to me just interesting. I don't have a hard opinion on it. I I almost don't want to
Starting point is 03:08:26 take away from you know so much of the important factual stuff where I have the receipts on screen but what I'm saying is you are going to see resistance from very strange pockets as you do this disdain entangling process. How many people knew that you know an arm of the State Department right next door to it that gets all of its money from the State Department who sets the foreign policy is telling the Taliban to keep the drug networks open or that same arm is going after Bucaylee when he tries to arrest the drug criminals in El Salvador which by the way was the most intense of these narco right-wing, you know, death squads, you know, during the,
Starting point is 03:09:05 you know, during the Cold War. And we pump up every cultural vector we can. Again, you know, watch taking down a dictator, that documentary, and look at the role of music in the State Department's eyes in being able to galvanize street protest movements, gets everyone on the street united, gets everyone listening to the same thing. They're all sort of, you know, aligned like a magnet. I mean, there's, I mean, even look at places like the Azov Battalion and how they sort of grew out of this black metal rap, you know, black metal music, you know, coalition, you know, with, you know, highly extremist lyrics and
Starting point is 03:09:43 whatnot in Ukraine. The same sort of extremist lyrics you saw in the bangladeshi rap songs or the call to take to the streets in the cuban ones and again this has been going on a long time look at the look at the lyrics of a of a pussy riot song and remember this that they literally eight p are standing at the who was texture states podium you know uh... with arm in arm with the US State Department. Well, you know, so and everyone can look up, you know,
Starting point is 03:10:14 you know, C.I.'s role in rock and whatnot, there's great Guardian articles about all this as well, but it's more to say, coming back to this USA Truman show, that everything and anything can be an instrument of statecraft. Whether that's the prosecutors, the universities, the unions, the media, the social media, arts, dance. This is where you get these transgender dance festivals and this demographic segmentation,
Starting point is 03:10:38 to see who hates the government. Well, if the government is cracking down on transgenderism or is not kind to it or they feel like they want more rights, that's a useful demographic as a cleavage point for the US State Department to capacity build, flow money to so that they can be used as a battering ram. And I'm not endorsing that, but that is just why we work with these people. I understand what you're saying. Okay.
Starting point is 03:11:00 We're running out of time, so let's get to Brazil. Yeah. Okay. on time, so let's get to Brazil. Yeah, okay. So Jamie, I sent you a bunch of these, you know, screenshots that, you know, my foundation is gonna be publishing in our final report, but I wanted to just go through these here because we've been talking about the role of the criminal justice system more than anything.
Starting point is 03:11:20 You know, media is rigged, okay. It's a headline, it's a reputational smudge, it can cost you your job. When the criminal justice system and the judges are rigged and the prosecutors are rigged, you don't even have a country anymore because they can arrest the president, they can arrest the politicians. And it's a shortcut to control over the whole side. And we went through examples with Ukraine, Burisma, Serbia, we went through that whole exercise. But Jamie, if you can pull on screen, we can just go through the text messages,
Starting point is 03:11:56 this will be the last thing, of USAID's role with the judiciary in Brazil. And specifically against Bolsonaro who is targeted by these anti misinformation populist president populist right-wing pot they called him the Trump of the tropics same thing part of that same international coalition let me know if you have any trouble okay okay yeah what maybe if you start with the first one actually. I think this is it, unless I'm in the wrong way. Yeah, if you, oh no, okay, maybe scroll down. Do you see the ones where you have the lead judge?
Starting point is 03:12:32 I'm just trying to stop speaking your phone number too. Because if I put the wrong thing on the screen, your phone number's gonna show. Oh yeah, sure. Okay, so how about just the pictures with the pan, okay, here you go. So yeah, we can start with that one. We start with that one right there. That image right there.
Starting point is 03:12:47 Does that. Second, I look familiar. This is the Lord. Actually, he actually looks kind of like a mixture of both of us, Joe. It's funny. But this is the man that they call the Lord Voldemort Judge of Brazil.
Starting point is 03:13:01 This is the head of the TSE, the censorship court, which is the subgroup of their supreme court and here you see a seminar uh... that that he is being trained in that name rebel steps uh... you have a hours of review nine aspect of the steps program the u s a program that that
Starting point is 03:13:22 explicitly set its its job but to get foreign countries and foreign courts to pass censorship laws. This is USAID funded and implemented by the National Anthropocene Democracy. This is CEPHs.org, but this gets much, if you go back to the panel, I'll show you more on this. All right, there you go. Okay, yeah, okay, here's another one. CEPHs' core partner, IFES, this is basically the election strengthening,
Starting point is 03:13:47 teaming up directly with Brazil's TSE court. That is the censorship court that seized X's, that shut down X and that seized Starlink's assets and that effectively criminalized the speech of virtually any significant pro-Balconer voice in Brazil. This is our USAID network doing the training, doing the networking, and if you go back, I'm just going to show a couple more of these. Okay, this is Internews. Internews, who we covered,
Starting point is 03:14:15 500 million dollars from USAID every single year in Brazil doing training seminars for how to flag pro Bolsonaro disinformation. I can go on and on. I got layers of all these different judges and the pitches to the prosecutors to arrest it. The whole thing was a USA Truman show taking over the judiciary or at least substantially influencing and tilted to take out their political enemy, Bolsonaro, the whole way down. And X is still banned in Brazil? No I believe X
Starting point is 03:14:46 you know entered into compliance by by taking certain actions. So they have to censor? Yes I believe they yes there's they're still subject to the to the edicts of the court. I should note. Oh say lift ban October 8th. Yeah. After it pays a five million dollar fine, right, right But and by the way, but the ban the ban is in place essentially to keep us now for gaining power Well, right. Well, they wanted to they wanted to make sure that you know again, it's the same thing with Poland They want to achieve stability democratic stability so that he can't rise hugely popular right now It was a razor-cl. And remember, we pulled a lot of tricks around that
Starting point is 03:15:28 and you're gonna find a lot more of that when you look into the role of unions like the National for Democracy Solidarity Center and the whole suite there. Remember, we literally pulled favors with Taiwan, this is reported in the Financial Times, in order to get them the the semiconductor chips to build the voting machines against against Bolsonaro's wishes the CIA head of the CIA went
Starting point is 03:15:52 down and threatened him Bill Burns did the head of the Pentagon went down and you met with the army to tell them you know you have to trust the result of the election is that Lloyd Austin the head of the Pentagon you know we're saying the head of the CIA the head of the Pentagon. You know we're saying the head of the CIA, the head of the military, we're running semiconductor chips just so that they can make voting machines that the elected head of state doesn't want and then you know we're funding their you know workers movements through. So we have a very specific outcome that we want and then we also make sure that they use voting machines that we
Starting point is 03:16:25 provide. I'm not even weighing into the voting machine issue except to say that it's it's very strange that that we would divert semiconductor supplies bound for the US during a critical shortage and give them to a foreign government to put in voting machines that the that the elected head of state doesn't want. That's a very curious thing you can read about all the you know inside details of that published in the Financial Times and other places. Jesus. It's also daunting. You know, it's just, it's so overwhelming. How do you sleep? Well, I say I don't. But we have an opportunity. We've already done more than anyone has ever done.
Starting point is 03:17:11 No foreign facing government agent, no cog in the wheel of this dirty tricks apparatus has ever had 14,000, nine point eight percent of the you know the workforce laid off the you know that the name taken off the building with from a month in terms of the the lightning speed of it i feel uh... a sense of hope and optimism spiritual fulfillment if that's too big a phrase to say,
Starting point is 03:17:45 but I don't, you don't see me happy or doing cartwheels or, it doesn't really show on my face because I know the scale and the duration of this fight is going to continue for the rest of my lifetime. And so I don't, this is not a sprint period. We're running fast, but it's a marathon the whole way. What's unbelievably baffling to me is the complete absence of the coverage of all these things that should be very concerning in mainstream media. Complete
Starting point is 03:18:18 absence. All the discussion, the negative anti-Trump discussion about USAID shutting down is all the good that it does. And then also, you're going to get access to people's private data. That's all you're hearing. You're hearing the gaslighting spin is those two things. Right. But every single one of those, people need to understand the category. They talk about public health and all the lives and how many more people are going to have you
Starting point is 03:18:46 know AIDS and HIV. In 2014 USAID was busted running a covert operation where according to their own you know people who are involved in the operation they set up an HIV prevention program in foreign countries in order because it would be the perfect excuse because counterintelligence would never think that that the HIV clinics were that were the place that they were using as you know as key nodes and the regime change network how many other facilities they were caught there how many others but never single one of those its dual purpose because the fundamental reason
Starting point is 03:19:18 you do this out of us aid is to do people and this puts this puts our oversight bodies in a difficult spot. Let's just say we're funding transgender dance festivals in some country because it turns out they really dislike a government that we consider authoritarian. And so you could actually see a sort of, I don't know the situation in Venezuela, but let's just say that the Trump administration has been at war with Maduro and wants to pursue a policy of turning over that government and it just so happens that that government is persecuting the transgender population and the transgender population, if they could just be built up more, would be able to convert more hearts and minds to
Starting point is 03:20:01 vote against Maduro. Well, you could see a sort of if i may say again not saying this should be done i'm just saying you could see a sort of mega foreign policy explanation for funding transgender dance festivals in venezuela if that's what the baseline assessment reveals the problem is is american people never be a lot to know about it because imagine the senate
Starting point is 03:20:22 oversight committee why are we funding these transgender dance festivals in venezuela oh actually because we're running a uh... ally there by the way everyone in venezuela can watch this live hearing of the whole thing is actually carefully constructed live because we're cynically exploiting the transgender people to service battering rams against the the head of state we want to overthrow, but we have not declared that publicly. I mean, we're back to plausible deniability.
Starting point is 03:20:48 Jesus. Whew. This is a lot. I think it's probably good to end right here. Okay. But thank you, Mike. Thank you for everything. Thanks for being you.
Starting point is 03:21:01 I don't think a lot of people would chase this down like this. And I know this is a lot of weight. It's quite a burden that you're carrying. But I mean, I think you're being vindicated in like a scale that I've never seen before. It's pretty impressive. And all the stuff that you were talking about before all these documents were exposed before the Doge went into USAID, you were dead right about all of it. Thank you. And again, I don't want to get you in trouble went into USA. You were dead right about all of it. Thank you. And again, I don't want to get you in trouble with this stuff.
Starting point is 03:21:28 You know, some of the topics that we talked about, like the drug stuff and the rap stuff and the, you know, some of the terrorism stuff is not my primary focus. I'm not making hard facial claims there. I don't care about the Taylor Swift thing. It's frankly, it's just fascinating that you would see that on a native. Like, this is what I care about is Taylor Swift thing. It's frankly, it's just fascinating that you would see that on a native. This is, what I care about is what we talked about
Starting point is 03:21:49 with its control over media, its control over prosecutors, its control over social media and pushing social media censorship and these sorts of things that we have a once in a lifetime chance to reform and I wanna thank you and express my personal gratitude for having these difficult and I want to thank you and express my personal gratitude for having these difficult and I'm sure taxing conversations to crack it all open. My pleasure.
Starting point is 03:22:11 Thank you. Alright, bye everybody.

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