The Joe Rogan Experience - #2273 - Adam Curry

Episode Date: February 13, 2025

Adam Curry is an internet entrepreneur, former MTV VJ, and podcasting pioneer. He is the co-host, along with John C. Dvorak, of the "No Agenda" podcast. www.noagendashow.net This episode is brought to you by ZipRecruiter — 4 out of 5 employers who post on ZipRecruiter get a quality candidate within the first day. Try ZipRecruiter FOR FREE at ziprecruiter.com/rogan Go to https://www.expressvpn.com/ROGAN and find out how you can get 4 months of ExpressVPN free! Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

I never got it until this year, but that's what they say. That's what they say. You get it within a couple years, you get it, and then all of a sudden you got it. Yeah, I don't know what the fuck they are, but it's not bad. I could hear it the other day. I heard it. Stuffiness? Yeah, I heard you. Yeah, I had it know what the fuck they are, but it's not bad. I could hear it the other day. I heard it. Stuffiness?

Yeah, I heard you. Yeah, I had it for like four days. I've had stuffiness. But the thing is like when I work out, I feel great. The way I can really tell, like the way I judge whether or not I should even work out is when I get in the sauna in the cold plunge. If I feel tired and weak when I'm in there,

then I know something's going on. It's not as simple as allergies. So I thought for 10 years I had the Austin allergy. For 10 years, it was so bad. I'd go out to dinner, even when we moved out to Fredericksburg, we'd come into Austin. I thought it was Austin. I'm serious.

I was like, Austin has given me this. We'd go out to dinner, start eating, and then my nose, my eyes, everything just, and I have to always excuse myself, always have to have tissues in my back pocket. Then I got my teeth done, which we talked about I think the last time I was here. And Maverick, my periodontist, he did one of these 360 MRIs. He says, you know, man, you've got some low-level infection here. And that could be responsible for a whole bunch of stuff.

Now I'd had hearing aids for five years. So when he did the initial extraction, I think I took one or two shows off and then I went back in the studio, put my headphones on and like, whoa, I thought I'd hit something, volume knob or something, came back. Because-

Your hearing came back. Because this was infected and it was basically clogging up my sinuses and that was affecting the hearing. Yeah. How can a mouth infection like that's very dangerous, isn't it? People have no idea how important oral health is. It's really, really critical.

And also I feel better because I'm not fighting infection continuously. How did it all start? What was going on with your teeth that made all these infections? I had a bad start in life. When I was two or three, we were living in Uganda, and my parents would put me to sleep with a chocolate cookie. So I had kind of a bad start.

And I had a lot of work. I had just tons of fillings of my baby teeth Everything was messed up, then I had the big outboard headgear which really Traumatized me for life taking that to school. You know it's like I was one of those guys. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah, it was bad and About Ten years ago made a little bit more I went to the dentist here in Austin, and he was like, we really gotta start doing stuff, we gotta start looking at repairing.

And then this dentist started hitting on me and texting me, and I'm like. Oh great. So. Guy or girl? Guy. Damn. Like, no, no, no, no, no.

And I knew that there was a Pandora's box in there. How wild is that? What a risky move. It was so dumb. Like, why? You're a married straight guy, and he's like, yeah, I think I can get him, though. We can get, he can be on our team.

That is such a man move. That's such a thing that men would do. It's so stupid. He's like, I'm here with some buddies of mine, send in a picture. I'm like, no, no, no, no, no. So I'm like, I'm. They're all shirtless and you know send in a picture. I'm like, no, no, no, no I'm not going back. I'm good. And then Tina and I you know, we got together We moved out to Fredericksburg and she and she's real big on you know, prevented if anything, you know

Her car has the oil everything on time. Everything's all set and her teeth are of course for impeccable That's not a good fit for you. Total. You need an organized lady. I had a credit score of 350. Oh no. I didn't have credit card, I was just cash you know like I didn't care like you know I had cash flow everything's good I don't care. She straightened me out oh yeah oh big time. You know we pay our clients. Disorganized men very much need organized Yes, you just can't have one that turns into your mom Oh, no, no, that was my first wife

And that does happen with some of them some of them when you give them the reins and they start telling you what to do All of a sudden then it becomes very non sexy. I will say props to my first wife She kept me I was the height of my show business fame MTV She kept me out of trouble. I did not I did not purchase a good mommy And she's a good mom to our daughter, you know, so yes for sure You know you change they change you need a different kind of a mom Yeah, so then you know I I went through it yeah I was like, and that's also when I stopped smoking because Maverick called me up.

He said, hey man, I'm gonna be operating on you in a week. Could you do me a favor and stop putting fire in your mouth? And I've been smoking weed and tobacco since I was 15. And I quit at that moment. I haven't, I didn't ever, I mean I vape like a crazy horse. Well that's not good, is it? Well, that's a question. This is, you and I have gone over this and we will go back to it.

It's a nicotine delivery device. Yes, that's what it is. We'll get to that. Yeah, sure. So just cleaning out the infections, what was going on that that was fucking up your hearing? It was like the whole area was inflamed? Yes, right by your sinuses. And so everything's connected. If you hold your nose, you can hear differently.

So whatever it was doing, and literally just a couple of days after he extracted more than that, but after he extracted those teeth, it just came back. And I didn't have horrible hearing loss, but it was enough where I was sick of saying, I'm sorry darling, what'd you say? I'm sorry. And at the moment you get to like, I didn't hear her, I'll ask her later.

That's when I went, no, I gotta get hearing aids. I don't wanna, I don't wanna. And it's one of the biggest reasons men get depressed is when they can't hear and they kind of withdraw. And it's a, it's a real, yeah. It's oh, it's a real crisis yeah anyone you need to go if you think just just have your ears tested anyway why not I mean you get your eyes tested get your ears tested get your teeth taken care of so they find out your ears are not good do they ever

check for infections no because it's not like now you should get in the medical book he thank you we actually he's been writing a paper on this for this very reason and it's only because he did the 360 MRI that he saw it and he also knew what to look for. It's his expertise. When I met this guy, I was like, he's young, he's like in his 30s, I'm like, so why did you choose this profession? He says, I like operating, I really love doing that stuff. I'm like, okay, you sound cool. He turns out he's a pilot, so we've become friends. But yeah, he says, I like operating. I really love doing that stuff. I'm like, OK, you sound cool. And he turns out he's a pilot. So we've become friends.

But yeah, he says people have no idea. And so he has been working on a paper to publish about this very thing. It's just not known. I talked about it on the podcast. And people from all over the world, like, really, man? I've been having hearing issues. Get an MRI.

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ZipRecruiter, the smartest way to hire. You know, it's an interesting subject because candy and sugar is really what caused all this horrible tooth decay in people and the goofy fucking solution that someone came up with along the way was putting fluoride in the water, which is so goddamn insane that you're taking a neurotoxin and you're putting it in the water but it and again like i'm i want to take even a political position on this i just want to look at it this i want to look at this from a human lens there is something that people do where even if something is obviously stupid if it's a part of a system and there's enough air quotes experts

that have endorsed this, regardless of the fact that we've seen time and time again throughout history that experts are compromised, experts are, you could put in, you could have a court case for a murder and bring in experts that will tell you he definitely did it and experts would tell you he definitely did it and experts to tell you he definitely didn't do it.

So we know this for a fact. But still, people argue on the side of the experts, and I've seen this about fluoride, and it's so mind-boggling. There are conclusive studies that show a direct correlation between high levels of fluoride in the local water and lower IQs. And it's a neurotoxin, we know it's bad for you in large doses, and yet there are fucking people out there with college degrees who read the New York Times who think they're sensible people that will get angry if you want to remove this neurotoxin from water because look at all the strides

It's done in preventing tooth decay And you just want to say hey man fuck you This is stupid. I went to dinner at Mitch's house. I call him over that no No, it's okay because because we're sitting down as my wife his wife You know he has one of those houses right on the airport where this plane rolls out of the garage, out of the hangar. Oh, he's out of touch. Exactly.

I paid for that. I paid for that hangar. And we're sitting down and we're having a good time, we're talking about stuff. He says, so what do you think about Florida? I said, should not be in the water. He's like, you're wrong. And this is only a couple of years ago. And now he's come back and he said, oh man.

Did he apologize? Yeah, of course. This was drilled into my head. But what I understand is fluoride is a byproduct of aluminum production. And a lot of this, they had this fluoride waste product, basically, they needed to get rid of. And from what I understand, it was Alcoa,

I could be wrong, but I think it was Alcoa I could be wrong but I think was Alcoa who made these deals and who knows how they set that up with the American Dental Association and that's how fluoride got into our water and we got this kind of PsiOp of it's good for you. I knew it was wrong in 2000 and there was a book that came out called Legacy of Ashes was written by a guy called Tim Weiner who used to be New York Times and it was all about the CIA and it's a great book because my uncle is in it many times Donald Gregg, he's still with us. He's 95 or 96 and he was really high up in the CIA He was you know part of OSS back in the day and in it it talks about how the how the agents would go in

back in the day and in it it talks about how the how the agents would go in fluoridate the enemy's camp water so they could go in at night and they could they were docile and they could pull them out and they could kind of attack them and I said uncle Don is this true he says yeah pretty much how I remember it I'm like well of course this so the neurotoxin has been used in actual warfare in the water to make people docile Yeah, docile and then the argument is so dumb because you know my friend Eddie Bravo had a great point He said when you get toothpaste Do you ever see toothpaste it says fluoride free?

Why would they say that and advertise it? Tom's if fluoride wasn't bad for you? Why would they do that like why would that be a selling point if we've always looked for fluoride and toothpaste my whole life? Crest oh for it got it. You know when you're going through the CVS you grabbing stuff and throwing it back. Yeah, it's always fluoride You're always looking for fluoride. That's what kills the fucking germ. I don't want cavities. I want to go to the dentist Yeah, give me that fluoride, but The fucking germ I don't want cavities. I want to go to the dentist. Give me that fluoride, but They're selling toothpaste without fluoride. Why is that and the guy who's saying it to like had this look at his like he was like he was trapped

Trapped like so you don't think fluoride is good for you. It's like one of those things like that's just what he just said No, just brush your fucking teeth. Yeah, it's really that simple As a kid, did you get those trays at the dentist? Do you remember those? What are the trays? It was the, and so it would be, they'd say, we're gonna do fluoride treatment on you. Oh yeah, they did that. And it was like, it's fruity.

You know, and it's gunk will be dripping back in your throat, you're gagging with this horrible, it's like that's not Hawaiian punch. And you go to school, you get a D in English, because you're fucking stupid. Pretty much the story of my life, Joe. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, it's so bad.

It's really bad for you. And it's not necessary. And we're being co-opted by something and someone. And I think we looked this up on the podcast, Jamie. Didn't it come out of there was some town in Texas, I believe, that had naturally fluoridated water, which occasionally just happens. We have it in the hill country. The water that had naturally fluoridated water, which occasionally just happens. We have it in the hill country.

The water is definitely naturally fluoridated. There's natural levels of different minerals, and there's different stuff. And this one area had a fairly high natural level of fluoride. And these people had great oral hygiene. Whether or not that was a convenient study that they pointed to or convenient case they pointed to to make the argument to get rid of all that fluoride, you know, this like, you got to look many layers into all this kind of stuff because

they've been throwing fluoride in the water for how long and how much money has been spent throwing fluoride in the water and how many people have like built mansions and have fucking, you know, Mercedes Benz, they're tooling around them because they've been throwing fluoride in the water and how many people have like built mansions and have fucking you know mercedes-benz They're tooling around him because they've been throwing fluoride in the water And that's that's a deep system to try to untangle after 50 60 years. It's the petrochemical industry That's where all our medicines come from and I was watching the Grammys, and I don't know why what's wrong with you I know well. I usually watch for the Satan segment. I was say okay there it is There's the Illuminati There's the say they didn't have one that's crazy beautiful women in nice dresses

Presidents are important for the culture. It's very important for the Satan, but they're in trouble Yeah, they're having a Jesus is making a comeback man. They're in trouble. They're hide now. Jesus is making a comeback, man. They're in trouble there. You gotta hide now. Go back into the basement of Comet Pizza. Place that doesn't have a basement, by the way. We're reliably informed. And I hadn't really watched network television a lot, and there's a lot of commercial breaks, but the first ten all had a pharmaceutical product which had never heard of, a name I can't remember, and side effects literally included death

I'm like what is going on with this and like ask your doctor I'm like do I have this should I have this do I want this I mean is this going on with me and People are all happy in the commercials. They're like look my skin looks good, and I'm happy and I have a beautiful family It's almost like we used to you know sell cars now. They're just selling the pharmaceuticals Well that will be an interesting thing if RFK Junior gets in place. If RFK Junior gets in place and they stop this advertising on... We are one of two countries on earth that allows... Yeah, New Zealand and New Zealand's far more restricted than us.

We should be really restrictive about this because advertising works, you know? And there's advertising that doesn't bother me at all, like Chevrolet Corvette. Boom, boom, okay, I want one of those. It's okay, it's fine. But when it can give you bloody diarrhea and suicidal ideology. And a leakage. Yeah, and you're just fucked up in the head and you're depressed and you don't know why but now your zits are gone.

Like, hey, slow down. That was not in that commercial with the lady dancing in the field with her child and the people at the picnic and they're all smiling and laughing and having a good time together. That looked like fun like what where's that part? Well of course you know this was they tried they've all tried all kinds of things to stop this and you know First Amendment comes up although we have stopped tobacco Advertisements and there's all kinds of things have been done throughout the years

But what happened with television is all the money I mean really 60 70 maybe 80 percent of all the advertising income is from pharmaceutical companies That's why there's also no reporting like we're not gonna bite the hand that feeds us. That's the real problem That's that's that's the real problem. The real problem is that these news organizations are not in not just news not just news, right? Everything they're not independent like even television shows like could you imagine if let's say a network has a prominent news Organization and that news organization is very popular and it's a big part of their ratings and it's a reliable source of information for you know people that believe them and they're sponsored by pharmaceutical drug companies but then

they also have a crime show yeah on and this crime show wants to do a thing about an evil guy who promotes a vaccine that winds up killing a bunch of people and they hide the data and then they arrest him At the end of the the end of the show like no fucking way. That's not getting me no green light for you You took got to turn that guy into a meth dealer that's a meth dealer now Let's just do a couple of rewrites simple rewrite to the script. Yeah. Yeah, exactly. Yeah, this is a bad guy from Guatemala simple rewrites of the script. Yeah, exactly. Yeah, this is a bad guy from Guatemala. He's definitely not from here. He's definitely not from Moderna, and they definitely aren't working

in conjunction with the government to develop this thing, and the government's profiting off of it. That's not real. Well, we've, I mean, I say that we're in the season of reveal. I've been saying this for about a year now, and it's really happening real quick with what we're uncovering and starting to understand. I haven't seen your talk with Mike Benz. Yeah, Mike Benz dropped some fucking seeds yesterday. If we're in the season of flowers, he's blooming today,

because he was so nervous yesterday. Jamie was talking about it before. Like, he was making all these tweets like they were gonna kill him. Probably, yeah, it's probably been discussed. Well, I think it's way too far beyond and I think you know, I look at Leave it to Beaver I call her who's the the new press secretary. She's 27 years old. Oh, yeah, she's good though She's fantastic younger than my daughters a gal. I don't think you should say leave it to Beaver. I'm sorry I'm sorry. That's just that's how I remember her last name

All right, Caroline leave it. I think it's leave it. Thanks, Joe Thanks. Thank you. So she Because we're old enough to remember when we were was a vagina most kids are like I don't even know what the fuck they're talking About leave it to be very what I'm talking about name for a vagina a beaver Cuz dudes didn't really have any derogatory names for dicks It's just dick is the worst one like your dick put your dick away fucking weirdo You know what I mean? It was like this, but you're we only had pecker. Yeah, like it's kind of cute. Yeah Yeah, there's no like real bad names for dick other than dick

But she comes out and she does this whole list of USAID, which is very little money, but I think our president is very smart. He's showing us things that enables people like Mike Benz and you and I to have these conversations about, you know, because it's not ideological that USAID, which is not USAID, this is like one of these one of these PSYOPs right up top, like you have Federal Express is not owned by the government, Federal Reserve is not owned by the government, USAID is the Agency for International Development, not aid, and we see on television there goes another palette onto the C-130 aid,

USAID from the American people. We're being nice. Yeah we're being so we're being nice to people. We should be nice, we're the nice people of the world. But what these, and I'm sure Mike talked about this, you know, like LGBTQ, these dance parties and things, if you look at, I mean, look at these countries, like these are countries where we want to keep them away from Russia, overthrow the incumbent. And the way to garner support is to, and I really love how they added the Q, that just became so clear to me all of a sudden. If you sponsor LGBTQ, these are outcasts, these are people who feel that they've been marginalized, then you add a Q like, wait a minute, I can be queer, I'm different, I'm odd, you bring more people in, then you can bring the anarchists in.

You can get A, they have the A's in now. Oh yeah, the A's, I's, everything. But the A's don't even have a dog in the fight but that's the point you want them to come to the party come to the party you're allowed to the party and wait so long now and I saw this you know AFD in Germany you know this is the the extreme right party and they wanted you know to slow or remove immigration and so now that there was a protest against the AFD, you know, they're getting ready to vote now, and there's a hundred thousand people there. I'm like, wow, I thought, because I know people in Germany, I have friends in

Germany, they really are sick and tired of this immigration stuff, so where are these people coming from? And in the news report right up front, there's a dude in a blonde wig with eyeshadow saying, we just want to get along we just want can't we just be diverse I'm like that's the Psyop he's talking about himself so he wants to feel included which by the way in America you can do whatever you want call yourself whatever you want people really don't have an issue with that but they've just taken this and abused these people into their political agendas all over the world and of course it sparked something here in

the states. If you look the Democrat Party, they're gonna die on this hill. They're still like, oh no LGBTQ, they're taking away our rights because they know they can mobilize people to do that and then you can throw in Palestine and all kinds of people join the city council thing and Worcester Massachusetts yesterday that's gone viral today which one is you see it oh yeah pull this bitch up there's a compilation of these people like absolutely freaking out the best ones the compilation if you can find the compilation But it's all these LBGT people show up at this City Council meeting to say there's like a trans genocide

It's one of those did we're gonna round up in concentration camps. Yeah five minutes long Yeah, just give me start for the beginning. Give me give me give me can you wrap up, please? Yes, I can If you say that you're afraid of Trump and that's why you don't want the city to be a safe space for trans people, you better prepare for trans people to make this a very unsafe space. Oh, brother. I'm shaking right now. I don't want to be here. I'm sorry, am I taking too long pleading for my life?

You remembered how many children I have and how many, and that two of them are trans. There it is. Yeah. I speak as both the B and the T in the LGBT. He's both. I'm multiply disabled. I have Ehlers-Danlos syndrome,

which is a connective tissue disorder that causes me immense physical pain. I'm on the autism spectrum and I have narcolepsy and I couldn't drive myself here so I had to hide from my driver that I was in drag which is not an easy thing to do in drag. I do not want to be here. It's my day off. I do not want to be in your DMs. I do not want to be in your email inboxes.

I do not want my creativity writing diss tracks like Kendrick. I don't want to spend an hour applying glitter on my face so that you will hear and see me. I want you to listen to me. Let us remember that the number keeps going. No, that's enough. So it's like you made me put glitter on my face, you piece of shit, because everyone knows when you go to court, you have to have glitter on your face. These people need hugs, they need love.

I pray for them. The biggest way to psychologically manipulate people is, or there's three ways, old people, puppies, and children. And I followed this. It started around 2012, not coincidental when, you know what, Smith-Mont, the Smith-Mont Act? So that's, you know, it was a law that was put in since the Church Commission, you can't propagandize the American people. Defense Department and others went to the government and said, well, you know, like, we're on the internet now, we might accidentally, you know, push some propaganda on people. It started with bullying in schools. I know, because John Dworak and I, we followed it on no agenda. Started with bullying, then

it was, we needed anti-bullying laws and we're literally going like, what happened to sticks and stones will break my bones or punch the bully in his nose? No, no, no. Then the teachers and then we got hate speech laws, not actually laws, but you know, hate speech punishments. and this kept building up until you guaranteed parents through the American Medical Association, the Pediatric Society, all of these different trade groups, that if you don't transition your child, that child will commit suicide. And that's just, that is a horrible thing that they've done. Think about these parents who may or may not one day

Wake up and go what have I done? What have I done? Well there was someone was talking about this the other day This is the real problem is that so many parents have committed to doing this to their children and they they cannot face They can't the reality of what they've done and so they're gonna dig their heels in forever And and go Democrat about gender affirming care Yeah, but the thing is that's a small percentage of people in the general population Thank God and thank God, but they're over represented in the fact that they make it their whole life And so they they're very loud and very vocal and then they become a political beach ball. I talk about beach balls at a concert. I heard you talk about that with Bridget.

That's what it is. Totally. The political beach balls at a concert, they chuck them up in the air. So we always have something to fight about. So we're not paying attention to like the USAID stuff or a lot of the stuff. That's like really important. And this is just a part of this inter tangled web of PSYOPs that's been running our our culture. I mean, I would say our government but it's it's everything, right? Culture. So it's the government has established its

hooks in us and put fear and law and rules and the more law and the more rules the better because the more likely you're going to break a few of them and then you're going to shut the fuck up. Yeah. And they they've got these fucking things everywhere. And it's just allowing them to run this mafia business. And there's a bunch of people that are reasonable educated people that have Stockholm syndrome. Like they don't want to admit that even their people,

their cherished heroes like Obama was a part of of this. Mm-hmm. Big part. And that these, all these people that you think of as progressive Democrats, they were all a part of it. And fortunately today, we have the convenient access to YouTube instantaneously, where you can watch Obama in 2003 say some very MAGA things. Or you could watch Hillary Clinton go more MAGA than MAGA about deportation yes yes and that if you stay you have to pay a stiff fine i mean the whole thing is it's cyclical right like this is why the left is now supporting war and censorship it's it's not real it's not that there's a good group of kind, compassionate, educated people and a bunch of fucking buffoons who are racist

who want to bring that back to Confederate flag. That's not what's going on. There's people that are nice, kind people that also understand the value of hard work and reality and kindness and also sternness and rule of law and you can't just let violent criminals out in the street and hey maybe you should do some actual rehabilitation with the fucking billions of dollars you make in the prison industrial complex when there's no rehabilitation like no real concerted efforts to completely change these people and studies it's a mess it can be done it could be done mess. It can be done.

It could be done. And it probably could be done with psychedelic drugs. They probably can do some things with people, especially nonviolent criminals that are trying to figure out, like, why have I been stealing from people my whole life? Like, what the fuck is wrong with me that I, unless they're a legitimate psychopath, they have no empathy. There's people that

can be kind of woken up to why they're in this horrific pattern of continual abuse in their life. And there's ways to do it. And Rick Perry has been really brave in this case because he's a former Republican governor of Texas, and now he's advocating for Ibogaine therapy, particularly for veterans. For guys who come over, they've seen the most horrific shit. Their brain is in a shambles, and they want to do something, and they have no help in these pills that just dull their mind and make them feel detached

from reality and all these fucking antidepressants and things they give them, and they want to fucking end their life and they can go and get therapy that it cures 80% of them with one dose and it's like 95% with two doses. It's fucking nuts man and we've been hiding this because of the sweeping schedule one drug act of 1970 that was put in place directly by Nixon to go after his political opponents. It was directly put in place to demonize the anti-war movement and demonize the Civil Rights Party and the Black Panthers and anybody who was a problem with the government. So they just said let's just make all these things these people are taking on a regular basis completely illegal not only just schedule one like with no medical use

whatsoever things that people have been using for thousands and thousands of years and it's all the same shit it's all psyops it's all psyops. Have you ever heard of the audience effect? It is a psychological theory that our behavior changes when we know we're being watched. And here's the thing, we are being watched. When you use the internet, data brokers watch and record everything you do online, even if you're using a private browser. But you don't have to become a slave to the digital surveillance state. You can free yourself with ExpressVPN.

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or by clicking the link in the description Well, the number one thing that happened around that time, of course during Kennedy is we realized that television was a big force Television and radio and they got and if you listen to some of the debates like You know, it would sound on the radio like Nixon did better. It's amazing how this worked between radio and television, but then newspapers, we know the intelligence agencies were all writing stories. You look at CNN, you still see ex-CIA guy shows up. When I saw you sitting at the inauguration, and I texted you, I'm like, dude, I can't believe, when I saw you sitting at the inauguration and I

think I texted you I'm like dude I can't believe it I see you sitting there you're texting me American flag emojis and stuff like and you and Trump I'm like oh look at him he's in a tuxedo and I thought so my life in 1983 I was still a teenager, and I grew up in Amsterdam, socialist country, the airwaves were controlled by the government, it was horrible, it was almost like Russia. Your phone was a gray phone, and that was your phone. You couldn't get a different phone, it was illegal to unplug it from the wall. And I was doing pirate radio at a place called Radio Decibel in Amsterdam, and we were playing ... You were Christian Slater. In a way. You know that movie? And I was doing pirate radio at a place called Radio Decibel in Amsterdam. And we were playing.

You were Christian Slater. In a way. You know that movie? Oh, yeah. Yeah. What was that movie called? I don't know. Maybe it was called Pirate Radio?

It was crazy. They were trying to arrest him. Remember? Well, so we all got arrested several times. And we were playing 12-inch imports from your Chicago warehouse. You got arrested several times for being pirate radio? Oh yeah, they would always get, you had always come and arrest us. How'd they find you?

We literally had the station name on the door. People would come around, we'd be smoking weed, we were hanging out. We weren't making any money, we were basically paying to do it. We had this huge antenna on the roof. Did this ever come up when you got hired by MTV? Did they get nervous about that? Like did they have to do a background check? No. Say, this guy's got a record.

No, remind me to tell you my USAID story in a minute. So no, but this is 1983, and I felt it was so, first I was a gawky, awkward kid, I got tics, I got the wrong hair, I got the wrong moped, everything's wrong, but on the radio, people are like, wow, and I was doing it in English, you can do that in Amsterdam. People are like, wow, it I was doing it in English, you can do that in Amsterdam. People are like, wow, it's so cool you got that black guy on your station.

I'm like, I'm black? How cool. So I was John Holden, the 23-year-old black guy who drives a Harley, but the point was it was liberating. I could speak my mind and everything felt so stifling. Now we go forward, 1993, and I'm on MTV, I'm the hair of Generation X I'm on Z100 in New York number one station and I'm also on the internet you know I'd set up MTV.com was very very slim we had dial-up modems at the time and it was so

restrictive you can't they let me do my own material but they had censorship called a line producer like now we got to burn that segment, you said something bad about Richard Marx. Oh, you said something that was off-color about Madonna. Oh, we can't do that. The radio was the same. It was, you know, like, read the liner card, you know, and then always end with Z100. And there was a guy at Sun Microsystems in San Francisco, and he said, Adam, I see what you're doing with MTV.com on the web, that's cool, I'm gonna send you a computer.

So he sends me this big SunSpark workstation, he said, what year? 93. So this is pre-Windows 95, so this is? Yeah, it's pre-Windows, yeah, go ahead. That's right. Windows, what is it, 3.8 or something like that? Well, this was Solaris OS, it's Unix basically.

So it wasn't Windows back then, right? Like what came before Windows 95? It was something. I had a Mac, no, I had an early Apple 2. 3.1 that's what it was. Yeah 3.1 and an Apple 2. I was more Apple guy at the time and and he's and so I hooked it up to my 56k mode dial in he says watch this and he says what I'm on the phone with him he says watch this and up on my screen pops a little player and it's any streaming in PC we have mp3s back then PCM pulse code modulation nine-inch nails I'm like this is broadcasting I'm going to figure out how we use this thing for broadcasting because think about how we can use this

outside of all the systems and so 2003 now we're 10 years later, I've been very involved with RSS feeds and blogs and I see my first iPod and it's like snap crackle pop, hold on a second, this is amazing, we can combine, this is a radio, this is not a music device, it's radio. So I cobbled together this program that basically takes this RSS feed and then puts a program on to you know as a so the show was an album and then each track was an episode number and Then I immediately start doing a show I start you know what I do is just try to get people involved that's how Daily Source Code started because I was trying to get software developers in and

Then two years later three years later Steve Jobs is having a private conversation with me about putting this into the iPod and making it official, making a podcasting thing in iTunes. And I'm like, this is so perfect because now you have this RSS feed which you control. No one else can control what you do with your RSS feed and anybody can slurp that up and subscribe to your radio show. And then 20 years later, I see the president of the United States wrapping up his campaign with Joe Rogan on a podcast, completely being himself, being a dude for, by the way, props

for you sticking to your guns. I love that you did that. Now it's got to be here. No restrictions on time. Well, he didn't impose any. He was more than willing to do it exactly how I do it. He understands it. But at that moment, then I see you sitting there. I'm like, we just broke the elite messaging machine. Phase one complete. All because of you, dog.

No, you dog. You dog, man. But you were number one. All the glory to God. I think I was just used. You were number one, no. I was just used. I always give you your props. I think you were the first. I was just a vessel. It makes sense to me now.

Well, I'm just a vessel too. I think that's the case with all of it. Absolutely. I say that to the guys at my comedy club. They're always so thankful that I built this comedy club. I think this thing built itself. I think it was just, I was a thing that it did through me It caught me because it knew that you know, I was capable of doing it and

Impulsive enough and and brash enough to like say fuck it Let's just dump a bunch of money in this spot and see what happens You were given gifts and you get and you stuck with your gifts and and I know you're a very generous guy I know you help a lot of people with all, not monetary necessarily, but just helping them, getting them on their feet. Even Parker, I'm like, can I bring this kid? He's a big fan.

You're like, absolutely, bring him in. You're a gracious guy. And so when you get whatever word it is to build a comedy club, you did. I think you have to do that. I think the universe is testing you. And if you pay attention to yourself, you'll feel like what's the you have to do that I think that's the universe is testing you and if you if you pay attention to Yourself you'll feel like what's the right thing to do like what's the thing? What is the greedy impulsive thing to do? What is like the miserly thing to save it all it's my money save it all you know that's the you know

That usually doesn't usually doesn't end well no people It's just it's bad for you, too Because it's I always talk about this in terms of careers, like, and I really try to put this in young comics minds. There's an impulse that you will have when someone's doing better than you, and you'll be angry at them. It is a bitter, pathetic, jealous, normal instinct that people have. It's the enemy, the enemy talking to you.

It's just you have to recognize what that is. What that is is you have a desire to be doing the same thing. This person is doing this thing. They are in the movie. They are on the TV show. They are headlining at the club and you feel bad because it's not you. So you decide that they are bad and so you start looking at them as a source of negativity towards you and you don't do all the logical objective reasoning that allows you to go, oh no, no, no, no, they didn't do anything wrong. It's just me. And then those people who get really super big and famous oftentimes get very defensive and very elitist because they do understand

that people are mad at them now. So then they're like, fuck those people. Those people are fucking losers. And it's bad for everybody, it's bad for everybody. The correct way to do it is to go, wow, look at what this person has accomplished, that's fucking amazing, that's inspiring, I wanna do something like that with my life. Which is what America used to be. People would come to him, thank you.

I think it is, I think it is. It's been covered up, it's been papered over by over by media basic that's why i'm so happy that we've broken through that elite messaging system uh... in the way i was raised in america you can look at the guy with the rolls royce or the cadillac or whatever go i want that and you can be that and we've we've kind of devolved into uh, it's international now, into a victim mentality. There's good and evil.

I mean, it's just a ploy. It's again the same thing as Florida in the water. It's a fucking Psy-Op. It's a ploy. And it's a way to keep us, instead of empowering people, to recognize that all these people that are successful are inspiration. That's what they are, they're fuel for you.

You can use them, whatever that person is singing at the Grammys, when Kendrick Lamar's doing the halftime show, when someone wins a fight, that's supposed to be inspiration. That's a fuel, and you can use it correctly. Or you can fuck your whole life up by paying attention to other people and comparing yourself in a negative way.

This is part of the problem with kids and social media. Oh, yes. Because kids are supposed to see like, oh, look at Bobby, he's nice to everybody and everybody likes Bobby, be like Bobby. Like look at Mark, he's fucking awesome at the guitar and everybody wants to go see him play. I want someone to come see me do something

I got a I wish I was a good at something as mark is that guitar and that's what's supposed to like Raise us all up But instead we see a thousand followers and likes on someone blasting somebody in a funny way in a video Yeah, this is a big part of the problem But sometimes funny way blasting is important too, because that's my line of work. You got to talk shit. Talking shit is important. You are a professional, Joe.

You're a professional. Yeah, but how do you become a professional? You start off as an amateur. You start off talking shit. We can't all be a comedian or a comic. We just can't. There's a lot more can than you think. There's a lot of people out there that have the inclination that just don't don't get that spark

Which is also one of the things we're trying to do with the club Which is also why we have two nights of open mic nights. Oh, that's cool Yeah, we want to make it accessible We want to make this is like a place where you there's a real path You can work on your act and you're gonna see guys like on a daily basis guys like Ron white and Shane Gillis And right, you know, there's people coming in and out of town that are doing my podcast. They're like the best of the best in the world. They're coming to the club. Oh, this is the center of the universe now for comedy. It's amazing what's taking place.

It's amazing. It's amazing. And again, I think this was, I think it built itself. I think I just had to do it. I was like, I just got to tell you, no, no, no, God loves you, Joe. He is at work in you. He's all over you and has been that way for a long, long time. There's no doubt in my mind. Well, whatever it is, I'm listening. You'll accept it. Yeah, that's it.

I accept it and I listen. And I go with it. But I think it all, like too many things had to happen. Like if you wanna believe in fate, if you really wanna believe in fate, I should believe in fate. Because especially with like this move here, too many things had to happen in line. It had to be the pandemic and it had to be me with young

kids who just was very uncomfortable with the direction that LA was going. And then it had to be the George Floyd riots and the lockdowns. And then I had to come to Texas and go, oh, oh, there's other ways that people live. And I had known you for a long time, and you lived here, and you spoke very highly. And then my good friend Gary, Gary Clark Jr., he came here, like, before the pandemic, and I remember talking to him on the phone. I'm like, why did you move back to Texas? He's like, man, I just cannot fuck with those people in LA.

And Gary's like the realest dude I know. It's like one of the realest. Like, he doesn't give a fuck about Fame about that guy cares about playing that fucking guitar and playing songs as good as he can and that guy just locks himself up In a studio. He's got a studio on his house at his house That's what you want locks himself up in there for 12 hours a day And it's just that guy only gives a fuck about the art like he's about the craft and like so all the bullshit they came along with Living in Hollywood like he would just come hang out the Comedy Store all the time

That was just because it was like oh you guys are real like I can hang with you We just be cracking up and hang so when he came out here like fuck and then Ron white came out here I'm like god damn it and then it is all fucking love it. It's fucking airports breeze No traffic everyone's nice. It's fucking airports, a breeze, no traffic, everyone's nice, it's the middle of the country. I was like, fuck. And then the pandemic happened, and it just, it was like it all pulled me to the spot.

And then it had to be the Spotify thing, and then it had to be the comedy store shutting down for a year. And then it had to be all the comedy store employees that I loved were all unemployed. And so then it was like, okay, let's fucking do this. Exactly what I'm seeing. I'm seeing that with every, that's why it started in 1983.

I'm like, I see where the path was. I've always been doing this stuff. And that's the thing about podcasting to me too. It was oddly compelling. Like it didn't make any sense. I was making no money and I was busy. It was costing you money probably on bandwidth and stuff. It was definitely costing some money. And I had young kids and I was busy. It was costing you money probably on bandwidth and stuff. It was definitely costing me money.

And I had young kids and it was just like, why am I spending my time doing this when I should be spending my time maybe doing something to make more money? Because especially back then, it was like I wasn't doing Fear Factor anymore, so I wasn't really making the kind of money that I was making when I was on television.

So I had to tour a lot. So I was doing standup and I was doing like way too many dates with the UFC the UFC although I love it to death it's I mean that's the only job job I still have I still work for somebody that's because I've been there for so long but it was like 22 dates a year they send you a w-9 what's the w-9 I'm an independent contractor. What's a W9, how does that work? I have accountants. I was just messing with you. I'm like Joe Walsh, I have accountants, pay for it all. Yeah, that's right. I got a Maserati Daz, 210.

185, I lost my license, now I don't drive. I have a limo, ride in the back, lock all the doors in case I'm attacked. Yeah, great song. Life's been good to me so far. So far, that's right, it's a great song. I use that song all the time, everybody's so different, I haven't changed.

You know, he's a ham radio guy, Joe Walsh. Is he really? He takes his rig out on the, he doesn't go on the road that much anymore. When he's on the road, he has this huge ham radio rig, and that's like, I've been a ham for a long time, and that's like the, if you have a, we called it QSL, QSO, that's a, that's ham code for a conversation. Oh conversation. Okay with Joe Walsh. Oh man Joe Walsh is the fucking man Life in the fast lane That's you change the Eagles the Eagles on the way to killing your testosterone and making women cry all day And then all of a sudden Joe Walsh comes in now you got life in the fast lane. Yeah

Give me that riff. Give me the beginning of life Give me that riff. Give me the beginning of life in the fast way. Joe Walt, it was wild rock and roll guitar attached to this beautiful voice and lyrics and songs and songwriting. Give me this, Jamie. Give it to me. See how accurate it was. But there was a, there's a,'s a you know guitar like I was talking about Gary like here Oh close close Boom-boom-boom That's all we can do we have a good trouble to get in trouble get in trouble that already gonna get us in trouble probably Probably you're screwed because here we have all these podcasts. There's four and a half million podcasts really only four hundred thousand update regularly

So it's not even that much. That's global they've We we We can't play music in podcasts because of all these different entities that own it and So, you know you if you so if you perform something on the radio or in a live stream, that's a performance write,

which the club plays for that too, if you're playing in music, that's ASCAP BMI. Then you have the publishing write. Now, because you download a podcast, well, all of a sudden now you've made a copy of it, so that's another group over here. So you have the publishers, then the record companies. And they just could never agree, and they've locked themselves

in so tight that the biggest opportunity for music would be to play it on podcasts. They've painted themselves into a corner. And we all know now that most artists, you know, you get 10,000 streams on Spotify, and you get a penny after a couple of years. You see with Snoop Dogg when he was going over this?

Oh, it's horrendous. I'm sure it's horrendous. He got a thousand bucks. Billions of streams and you got to check for 45 grand. And Taylor Swift gets all the rest of the money. I mean, it's very odd. Isn't that because Taylor Swift owns her music? Isn't that the whole deal?

Like if you own your music, it's a different... If you're the publisher. I mean it's very odd. Isn't that because Taylor Swift owns her music? Isn't that the whole deal? Like if you own your music. If you're the publisher. Right. And you know this I don't want to get too deep into Spotify and all that but people are starting to move away from that and what I call the value for value model where we actually built this with podcasting 2.0 where you can say you can send a boost like I want to send some money to this person straight from the app so you can play it you can play a song in the podcast as long as they've agreed to the to the license they own all their stuff you can send the money we just did Suzanne Santa we had a I invited you to that all I had to say is I invited Joe that was all I needed to say and you know

we had six people on stage, six different bands, and they all made between six and eight hundred dollars coming just from from out there. There was maybe fifty, at the end of the night maybe fifty people left. It's a Monday night. But they were all making more money than they had ever made on any other platform in their life just because people can send it through the internet, through, we actually use it. Isn't that crazy that $600 for a performance

that goes on the internet is the most they've ever made from the internet? Absolutely. Isn't that crazy? Like you think about how many times they stream, like I found out about Suzanne from online, some dude named Balls of Steel sent me a message and he said, this is your new favorite song

I was like what and it was honey honey angel of death They did an acoustic version on the top of a roof in downtown LA and it was incredible and I was like Oh my god, and then I became friends with them and yeah, she and Nick are great and their baby is super cute But it's uh, it's like that there's been so many streams on the radio and the fact that you never made more than 600 bucks is crazy. Like something's broken. Well, that's because the publishers are getting all of that. Right, exactly. Because you know, and then...

But then on the other hand, you get, you know, you can get really famous. People like Tyler Creator and all these different people that have blown up just from being on the internet and then they do live performances. Yeah, but I still feel that... Someone's making money. Well, we know the publishers are making money. People say the record companies, but it's the publishers.

Yeah, they can't call them record companies anymore if they don't make records. Thank you I was in my garage the other day and I put my wall of fame in the garage you're like time to move this out of the house like I'm old enough now and I'm looking at like there's a platinum record With a cassette with a platinum cassette People even remember these days when you got a platinum record with a cassette on it for a crazy five million copies

Sold of a cassette tape jelly roll gave us one of his platinum records. We got it out there and that guy that guy is awesome He's the jelly roll is what what a story. He's such a sweetheart. He's such a nice guy He's a big crossover artist, you know, the Christians love him country guys love him. The rock and rollers love him It's like he's the perfect perfect Crossover artist if I were an evil record executive, he's the perfect, he's the perfect crossover artist, Joe, we need to sign him. That's what I'd be doing. Also like most unlikely looking to be the sweetest guy ever, with all the face tattoos

and everything. Just goes to show. Yeah. Can't tell a book by its cover. No, you cannot. You cannot. Ever. Ever. Ever. So anyway, back to that, it's just it's a shame that we've, you know, the music industry has moved it into this protectionist place. And it's, I mean, even

if you have a spin studio, you know, the Gestapo comes around like, like, you've got more than 75 people a day here, you need to pay us more. And they're very litigious, the whole thing is just a mess, some mess. Yeah, I mean, law's great because it protects you from scumbags, but law's not so great. But who's it protecting now?

Because the artists are making no money. Exactly. Although it's become easier to do your music at home. I remember going to the Hit Factory in New York and hanging out, watching people record records. That was amazing with the big machines and lots of people running around. That was cool. I think YouTube and social media presents very unique opportunities where a guy like Oliver Anthony

can all of a sudden explode out of nowhere with one song. He's another sweetheart. Yeah, you had him on. Yeah, he was at the club the other day, too. Oh, really? We were all hanging out. Where does he live? I think he still, maybe he doesn't want people knowing.

Okay, well he lives in? I don't wanna say around. But he was, I mean, back he was he was he was in Virginia What's your name? Okay? Yeah, West Virginia that makes rich rich men north of Richmond right right right um Yeah, that's where he was I don't know if he's and and God bless him because he stayed he stayed away from the system Yeah, we had a phone call. Yeah, I called him up when it would all start popping off for him. I'm going to sign you, boy.

I'm going to sign you to my Rogan Records. You're going to make millions. Here, take this Cadillac. It'll be great. Yeah, I sent the Cadillac right to his house. That's the last thing you want to give that guy. You want to give him like a 1983 Chevy that's redone, a pickup truck, an F-150 from the 80s that's like redone, you know, a pickup truck. Yeah.

Like an F-150 from the 80s that's like redone. Nice. The boxy ones. Yeah. Eight-track in the dash. Good to go. Yeah. No, he's a genuine guy.

He's a really nice guy. And we had this conversation over the phone. He said, people are offering me millions of dollars to do this and that and this. I go, stay independent. And he goes, they keep saying I got to strike while the iron's hot. I go, no, no, no, no, to me you you've already made it all you have to do now It's just keep doing what you just did and you can do that, right? You I'm sure you have others I was all I got a bunch of other songs

Then you sent me some of those other songs which are just as good if not better And I was like dude you have talent talent is what you that's what everybody needs all this other stuff is people just trying To take advantage of your talent. Stay independent. That's what I mean about you, Joe. You're a good guy. You protect people. I was already past that spot where he's at.

I'd been in that spot before, where people were offering you deals and stuff like that. I know what the trappings of that is. You're broke, and then all of a sudden you have money. And for me, it worked out great that that happened to me in 1993 I get this big development deal with Disney I moved out to California to do a sitcom and but it was like my but it was I wanted to be a comic and Then also I've got all this money that's coming from TV. I'm like, this is so weird. Was that news radio?

No, that was hardball. It was a baseball show that was on Fox. It never made it. I was an MTV man I wasn't paying attention to any of that stuff. It actually started at MTV because I got a development deal with MTV first. Really? Yeah, but the development deal at MTV was like 500 bucks to do a pilot. I'm not kidding. Yeah, and then it sounds like MTV. I'm not kidding. It was like 500 bucks. It made me 5,000. I don't think it was though I think it was five hundred dollars and if I did the pilot and the pilot was successful They would have me locked in for some exorbitant amount of time I think was like five years where I couldn't do anything other than MTV and it was because They had a few people that became really famous off MTV and then left and so they had decided that MTV is

Going to keep all of their talent. Like Dennis Leary. Which is the funniest thing because when I got there in 87, VJs were expendable. They're like, you're expendable, shut up. Now they couldn't because they brought me over from Europe and had a two year contract. I think the first year was 150 grand,

the second year was 175 grand, and I got a two-year contract. I think the first year was 150 grand the second year was 175 grand and I got a car service And and I could do radio any any radio I wanted to do and so and they this they a lot of the people not they but a lot of the people at the office Really disliked me because they'd be like cut your hair. I'm like, I'm not gonna cut my hair Why they wanted to cut your hair? New creative direction for the for the channel. I'm like no and you know, I had different lengths of hair throughout the years That hair was like have you seen the artists were playing? Is glorious is no I have the hair of X. Don't call me a boomer.

Look at that. Come on, who the fuck would tell you to cut that farrow faucet? That's a beautiful head of hair. That's an amazing... Good times, brother. Good times. Imagine someone telling you that that probably that was like a huge hook too. Of course. A lot of the ladies. You know what Merv Griffin always said? Merv Griffin always said, people with big heads are successful on television

That's why you had Pat Sajak and of course Jay Leno Jay Leno big heads, right? I don't have a big head So I had big hair so I had a big head exactly Right, there's no like little tiny headed dudes No that works on YouTube now, but on television doesn't work on YouTube I got a tiny head. I think anybody can be successful on YouTube, right? I mean, it's all kinds of ways to show you that the formula is bullshit then, you know Like you got a guy like mr Beast who is not like classically good-looking guy who's got the biggest show in the world that guy has I mean

So I don't people say he's a creator. I think is a creation He he is a creation of YouTube and how it works. You don't have this Because you're you know, you're so established but they his team and he's talked about this micromanage Every second of each video every cut every the poster images all these things and it's all about every cut, every the poster images, all these things and it's all about time spent viewing. If one video does a minute 38 and the other one does 140, that other video is more successful. I mean it's really in order to like hook the algos, get everything rolling, you have to bring that down to a science. And of course, and this is not for you and I, I don't think, is you have to always keep

feeding the machine. You gotta keep feeding it, feeding it, feeding it. You have to make your life a part of your YouTube channel, otherwise, you know, you drop off very quickly. Yeah, well, I just think he has a different approach. I mean, his approach is very like scientific. He's very intelligent about it. And I'm a feel person, which is why I,

when I get people as guests, I never think like, sometimes people think, oh, you try to get like the biggest name guests, because that'll be the most popular videos. I don't do that at all. Who do I want to talk to? That's exactly how I've always done it. So that's, I'm gonna always do it.

Do I want, and if it happens to be Mel Gibson, you know, and he's happening. He was great. He was, I mean, I'm like, that's, for me he's always Mad Max. When I was a kid, you know, we'd play hooky from school, we'd go back, we'd, and someone would have a VHS, no, I had a Betamax, he had a Betamax.

Oh yeah. And like, we're watching Mad Max, and then Diana Ross in the round. I mean, that. Diana Ross in the round. I mean that We love Diana Ross like oh she's so awesome with a Mad Max man that original and he's standing there with his boots in the Desert and at the beginning it was just a movie. Oh, he had a bunch of bangers, but he just he's an interesting guy You know and that blower on top of the the engine. I mean the whole thing was just We just loved that.

That was a fun movie. And then later, Lethal Weapon. And then, and I didn't realize, because I'd seen The Passion, which is, you know, as a Jesus freak myself, like, that was like, whoa, that was a heavy movie to watch. And when he said it, I didn't realize that, I thought the whole thing was an Aramaic. And it was the subtitles that you were basically reading the subtitles and his theory that it you know it penetrates you differently the story I think is so spot-on I think so too I mean really really interesting well he's a very underrated filmmaker and I always point to apocalyptos another example of that yeah there's no English in that movie

and it's a masterful movie mm-hmm a great movie. That guy has a calling, man. He's doing a man, and talent. He's got just, and he fought the system. He really, really fought the system so hard. Well, that was what was fascinating about talking to him about what happened when he made The Passion of the Christ, because it was really, it wasn't that it was an anti-Jesus reaction to that film. It was an anti-Jesus reaction to that film. It was an anti Jesus reaction to that film

that was really made by the motion picture industry because he had gone outside the normal distribution system. So in creating that movie he financed it himself, he went outside that he got a smaller distributor and it did really well and they were like $800 million exactly. We got to make sure this doesn't fucking happen again And that's where the attacks came and that's also where Jim Cavie's all his career completely stalled out You would think the guys in a gigantic blockbuster movie like that like he's gonna be in blockbuster movie after blockbuster movie after this No, they kind of blackballed him. Yes. Well, and so you have smaller studios now like Angel Studios and

They're in Utah, and they did, they crowdfunded this, The Chosen, which is, you know, the story of Jesus, and it's, I mean, unbelievable. They're in their fifth season now, completely outside the studio system, completely away from it, and it's all crowdfunding. At the end of the season, the credits are like 15 minutes. Oh wow. Everybody who donated, and everybody who donated,

you know, X amount, they get to be extras on the set. I mean, it's a whole new way of looking at producing stuff. Interesting. Yeah. Then of course they went on to do an apocalyptic movie called Homestead, which is a dog. It's so horrible. It's like, oh, what is this?

I mean, it's a bad movie. Oh, bad acting bad enough to watch it. No, no. Tina and I were watching were like, do we bail? No, 10 more minutes. Do we bail? No, no, it's going to happen. Do it. It's like, no, no, it's too bad. I mean, just like what?

Hard to make a good movie. Of course it is. Well, imagine the amount of people that you have. If you have a bunch of idiots telling you to cut your hair imagine how many dumbasses you have in the background of the movie they're telling you what to do all the money people all the executives like it's so it must be so hard you have to be like a Quentin Tarantino who's like they just leave him alone leave him alone let him do his magic. He's an interesting have you met him? Oh yeah he's

been on a couple times. Interesting fellow fella We hung out with him the other night we're not to dinner with them him and Roger Avery who's also awesome and Then we went to the club and we hung out at the club He's an interesting guy and that's what he like what he like requested to come to was he wearing his tracksuit No, he was just normal. I saw him in LA when I was there for about a year I was like you seem like tracksuit tracksuit tracksuit tracksuituits I get it why the mob guys wear tracksuits yeah of course when you wear them on guys they know this is the way to do it Adidas man Adidas that's my uniform I think the move is like stretchy jeans because stretchy jeans give you all the feel of a tracksuit but you

don't look like a weirdo I become a hoodie guy you know much much to my my wife chagrin she's like you know I got friends of mine saying hey Federman I'm like To the fucking inauguration that was a little wild. I mean the hoodie was one thing but the shorts and like well, you know That's Federman. I guess that's really who he is I mean, it's kind of weird in that like come on everybody else wearing a suit, but it's also kind of like well That's how he dresses 24 hours a day.

Like, Yeah, but you wore a tux. Dude, you wore a button down for the president being your studio. I was impressed by that. Well, I felt like I had to, the vice president too. Yeah. It's like, I gotta wear something nice.

It's because, you know, it shows a little bit of respect. Yeah, I didn't even clean the table off though. Well, you know, my friend, Harlan Williams, was very happy that Demetri was on the table. Oh, you snake. Yeah, he would friend Harlan Williams is very happy that Demetri was on the table I snake yeah, he gave me a giant hug. He goes to meet you. He's on the table He was there man. He was the president. Yes. This is a gag that Harlan did He said he had a tapeworm and then three hours into the podcast He pulls out this fucking snake out of his pants. You got to see Harlan

He's fucking he's so funny and so unusual and so eccentric that like for him, like that was, it was such a huge thing to see the snake on the table that he pulled out of his pants. Yeah, of course, I get it, I get it. I mean, it was so interesting where, you know, you've talked about the Harris campaign and all the stuff that they were saying and, you know, it's like, well, we talked to his people, I'm like, his people? I think it's Jamie and then maybe one other guy?

Well, I do have managers. And they did talk to the managers. Oh, they did talk to them? Yeah. But what they said just wasn't true. But it's not like you have a super big team here. No. It's small.

Even the team outside of here is not that big. But it's just normal political bullshit. They just lie. They cover their ass and they lie. I would have been very happy to have her on. And like I said, the goal was to release both of them the same day. I was trying to figure out how to do that. That would have been great. That would have been fantastic. Yeah, I was trying to figure out if that would be possible to do.

And that's what I wanted to do. I wanted to put them out both at the same time. But that's it. That's where we broke the elite messaging system. We broke it because they could not put her into the new system. They couldn't because they knew that she would fall down. Well they just got scared. They could have. They could have put her in. I would have held her hand.

I would have. We would have had a conversation. I'm sure you would have. Not that I need to hold the vice president's hand. But what I meant was, no I wouldn't have done that. I wasn't going to vote for her. I don't know Joe, she might have voted for her. But what I meant was, no, I wouldn't have done that. I wasn't gonna vote for her. I don't know, Joe, she might have charmed you. But I was more than willing to strongman or steelman

all of our positions, to try to like, I wanted to know what would be the good in this and why, even if it doesn't make any sense, express it the best way possible that you can, I will help you do that And then I'll ask you questions. Yeah, but I'm not gonna be antagonistic. I'm not gonna be a shithead I'm not gonna be I have no desire to turn this into a viral clip thing I'm not trying to do that. I don't think you've ever done that with anybody. No, I don't want to I never wanted that done to me

So why would I do that? That's why I wore this hoodie iron sharpens iron. That's that's what you are, brother You know you you get bring people in Iron sharpens iron so a friend sharpens a friend you're always you know, I come here I come here because I want to learn from Joe I want my iron to be sharpened by Joe you do that with everybody who's there Well, I just want whoever's in that seat to do the best they can right? So like whatever it is whether you're talking about quantum physics or whether you're talking about human psychology or ancient history,

I want the best version of you and I wanna like kinda help you get the best version out. And if you're running for president, I'd like to get the best version of that from you. And I think that the whole system of debates and public speeches and interviews is so bad for getting to know a human being. And I guarantee you, I've seen interviews where she's really funny. I've seen this one, I've talked about it before but I'll say it again.

This is one interview where she's talking about meeting her mother-in-law for the first time. And her mother-in-law, a grandmother, is like, oh you're so beautiful. It's very funny. And she laughs, and she laughs in a genuine way. It's not like that sort of defensive laughter that she does sometimes where it seems like it's orchestrated. It was a genuine laughter, and it was fun. Well, she's a prosecutor.

That's why she kept going into prosecutorial mode, the same with the so-called debate with Trump. She was prosecuting him. So she has a switch that she just flips and then she goes. And then she, whereas our president, you know, he's kind of him all the time. They're eating the dogs! I think that won him the election too. That was awesome. I mean that's one of my favorite jingles of all time. They're eating the dogs! They're eating the cats! Are you kidding me? That just like that. That's fantastic. Well, it is. It's very interesting to watch it all take place. It's very interesting

to watch this shifting of the consciousness of the country. The culture. Yeah. And but also to see the reaction on the left, like to see the really crazy people, like those people that Worcester Town Hall thing. It's interesting to see that too, because you're going to see these really exaggerated grasps at retaining relevancy. Like really exactly over the top. Well, they're crying out for help is what they're doing. They're crying out for help.

They've been Psy-op'd. I mean, I'm only on X. I gave up Facebook and Instagram. I'm not interested. And X I really only use as kind of an inbox. You know, people will send me stuff and things for the show. But early on when Blue Cry was still a secret project within Twitter that Jack Dorsey was running, I knew some people who were in that secret project. And so I have an account. And I went on there the other day, I'm like, Oh my Lord, this is horrible. These people are spinning up and spinning out and just going nuts with each other. It's and I was like, I don't know how we have

to figure out a way. And you know, President Trump says success will bring us together. I think that's probably true. But you know, we can't just, I'm a little worried that we're all going to be stomping on them. You know, it's like, ah, look at these stupid libs looking out. They're idiots. They're crazy.

And I just feel that, you know, you got a you got a love them and not hate him you don't have to forget what they've done or what they've said but they have been abused by multiple entities and systems within our own government and political organizations yeah also during this feedback loop yes or chamber and they don't have outside people that are kind and you know everybody outside is the enemy and they they don't have outside people that are kind and you know everybody outside is the enemy and they're trying to like They're trying to make their way through life like all of us But without forgiveness, you don't you have nothing like you have to be able to forgive people. Yes, you have to without that

There's nothing like well you remain trapped in your own prison Yeah, and you're also you have enemies forever that could have been your friends. There's no reason for it. It's not good for you, it's not good for them, and it's just like this stubborn inclination that a lot of people have to stick with that like fuck those people forever for life. You really shouldn't do that. It's not good. Well especially if those people feel bad. If they apologize and they realize they've made mistakes. Yeah, like that's what life's about. You got to be able to understand that in the past, you've made mistakes and grow. And if we, the people that have made mistakes and grown, do not accept the people that are currently making mistakes and growing,

well then we're hypocrites. Well, that's the same with COVID. You know, I know many people who either lost their job or were forced to take something they didn't want to take, and they will never forgive them. Like, I won't forget. Now, forgiving is not the same as forgetting, obviously, but they can't bring themselves to forgive those who were caught up in a massive psychological operation and they are they're held in their own prison of anger and it's with their own family members I mean that it's almost like did that happen that just went we're now back what are we doing all these things have gone so fast we you know we had an

attempt on on a president's life and it's like we don't know anything and all the what what just I mean we're like our heads are on a sw's life and it's like we don't know anything and all the what what just I mean we're like our heads are on a swivel spinning around like what is going on and I think and the drones you know what about the drone so the drone thing for me it was so odd first of all there is a base over there and they they're testing some some drone technology but people in the United States but really around the world this is how we go through life. We go through life looking down. I'm a pilot, I fly helicopters, airplanes. I'm looking up at the sky all the time. There's a lot going on. There's a lot happening in the sky. And then the minute some-

What have you seen? All kinds of things, Joe. What have you seen? I've seen the Starlink satellites go over my house. Those trip people out. It's amazing. It's like, whoa, and you know, like eight or nine and like, whoa. And they go fast my house. Those trip people out. It's amazing. It's like whoa and you know it's like eight or nine and like whoa. And they go fast. Very fast and they seem pretty low actually. Like 60 miles up. But and of course you know once it becomes a story then every I know all these people with drones like dude I'm gonna get in the

news I'm flying my drone. They got six foot diameter drones flying around. Of course I mean aliens and Chinese drones they always want to have their red and green anti-collision lights on. It's important. It's like, I was like, no, no. And of course, there was some, you know, some actual legislation that they wanted to pass, which happened that same week, which was to get Chinese drones out of America, the DJI drones, they don't want them.

They want to give... They passed that the same week that this was going on? Dude, same week. Same week. Oh my God. That's why they Psy-Opped all of these local people and they're all... Oh my God. Yes, oh yeah.

It was the... These motherfuckers. Yeah, they wanted the DJI drones no longer to come in, but really for law enforcement to also have local authority over drones, which they didn't have. And now they're going to have that as well. So they can say, hey, you with the drone down, we're doing something important here.

So it's always to remove your freedom, trust me. Whatever the size. Yeah, that was the same time. And all I had to do, I looked at this and like, okay, I'm trained myself, like, let's go take a look, what's going on? Oh, that's interesting, isn't it? Look at this legislation. Well, this is another argument for deregulation too, because when it comes to innovation,

the issue with drones is that if you want like a really high level sophisticated drone in America, you have to have a pilot's license you do yeah Yeah, this is this is a that's a big deal and the FAA is very involved in the policing well You need that I mean you need that for our skies 100% China don't have that bro. This is they got a social credit course But also and if you know I talked to freedom and talked to a lot of guys who do Our audience who just got people in every, you know, we've trained them. You're producers.

You know something about one particular topic. You have an obligation to let us know. So we have all these guys, drone for hobbies, drones for law enforcement, drones for news. And they all said, you know, these DJI drones, they're so much better than the US drones. They're just better. They got stuff better technology better cameras so they you know they're like I don't want to lose this and you know I guess without the free market the innovations gonna be stifled if the innovation is only available to the highest level military contractors that's crazy like especially

when it comes to drone technology like you're competing with China and they're doing these enormous light shows with a fucking dragon flying through the sky we've seen some of them yes I saw seen them fall out and hit people I don't go to drone shows for this very reason Joe I'm careful yeah that's probably like those air shows where they fly jets around. I'm not going to be on the go. No, I don't go to those. That's why I like Starlink, because Starlink is really, first and foremost, a military system. And very smartly, I think Elon is very good at marketing.

It's like, let's give this to the people. So that's, everyone, I mean, I have it as a backup at home. I have fiber, but I have a star link Of course, I want to have this but it's really a military system Did I took one with me to the mountains in Utah when I went hunting work? Perfect the size of this yeah the to go the little incredible little to go So you can make phone calls you can do FaceTime all from the mountains in the middle of nowhere I know I know it's it's mountains, the middle of nowhere. I know, I know. We used to dream of, I think I had databelt.com at one point.

I dreamt about, wouldn't it be great if we had all these satellites and they're circling around and we call it the data belt and we'd have all this stuff and all these things. I can just see the delight of, and of course, a lot of, it's, SpaceX, these are very sophisticated NASA people, the best of the of course a lot of it's SpaceX these are very sophisticated NASA people he has all kind the best of the best is in there I think he knows how to hire the right people

And but he's smart at how he markets that he really is I mean the newest thing is they've teamed up with T-Mobile, so they saw that yes You have Starlink compatible phones only Joe right so you've gone to flip phone I've gone to flip yeah, so you texting me on that thing no I take we do it on signal So I do that for my computer. Oh, yeah, you're a weirdo so now you've gone completely flip phone Yeah, text anybody anymore. No I can text I can text message, but we've but it's like t9 No, no there's actually so I still have my graphene OS which is the de-googled stuff in that no you can't put that on here

So this is Android, but all I really have on here is text messaging RCS Yeah, so I'm still a green bubble. This is a big flip $63 and it's from Caterpillar, baby Whoa, so this is like for job sites. Yeah, yeah your battery lasts a year How long is the battery literally two days if I don't charge it keeps going? Oh, yes, no problem So this is Android and you have a touchstone screen a touchscreen. Yeah. Yeah, if you if you text it pops up now It's just the whole thing is it's hard to use and that's why I like it because I don't want It's a trap. Well reading your text messages is a trip.

What am I saying? No, they're so small. This is crazy. Yeah. How do you get back? Use the back button on the keyboard. Oh my God, that's hilarious. So in a pinch, I can bring up a webpage.

In a pinch, I can bring up my email. Right, but it makes up a web page. In a pinch, I can bring up my email. Right, but it makes it complicated. Yeah, so I'm hindering myself so that I'm not enslaved to it. And actually, I hear from our daughters that there's a lot of kids who are doing this now, because they want to be more present, particularly the- So if you want to send a text message,

if you want to get into your messages, what are you using to send a text message? Well, here want to get into your messages, what are you using to send a text message? Well here, I'll show you. Are you doing like T9? No, no, no, no. So you're typing, you have a little tiny keyboard that comes on this little tiny screen? See I can even do it, look emojis, emojis for my wife. Oh, keys.

See, you just hit that and then up pops the keyboard. But you can also swipe, so you can just swipe, swipe around. Oh my god, this keyboard's hilarious. Hello. You can also, you can also do also you can also do try to write hello My wife will be like what's going on? It's probably auto completing makes terrible. Yeah, you got it I have it in swipe mode. Yeah, so just swipe along the letters Yeah, just yeah

Hi sense Fatt-ass fingers to it's it's not easy and But I you know it's like I just need to I like talking to people now, too Like it's it's a great phone for talking to people yeah talking to people's better. You know what's cool Do you have navigation on this thing? No well? I could put it on there But you know you talk to someone like Yes satisfying yeah that is satisfying has and look has little alerts But then the government won't be following you, bro. It won't work. But, you know, you talk to someone like, eh, yes, satisfying.

Yeah, that is satisfying. Satisfying. And look, it has little alerts if I get a text message so I can see where it's from. So if somebody tells you, hey, the meeting got moved to 10 p.m. I don't have meetings, Joe. Well, whatever. No meetings. Our dinner reservations get changed.

You'll get it. Yeah. You know, it's Dvorak, my partner, on No Agenda, he literally has a phone in his drawer and he never takes it out. He has decided, no, I don't use navigation. He lives in San Francisco. He wants to keep his mind sharp by driving around. He says, whenever I need a phone, I just turn around to someone and say, hey man, can I

use your phone for a second? There's always someone with a phone I just turn around to someone say hey man, can I use your phone for a second? There's always someone with a phone he says so if I really needed to look something up I just ask him for it and it's good to go it You know you get the feeling that you need this thing, but you really don't well You definitely don't if you have a laptop Yeah, and it's been dedicated time doing certain things right and especially like if you I can't keep up with emails It's impossible. Just doesn't doesn't make sense. That's basically all I do. I can't do it. It doesn't work I have filtering and all kinds of stuff, but there's like people who will email me 15 times a day

Okay, and well the thing is of those 15 messages There's one gem in there, but you have to check them every day. Otherwise in three days, you've got 45 Yeah messages. Well, it doesn't make any sense. How many 45 hundred 45-hundred message that one guy. Oh, yeah, but if but I put him in his own email box Oh, I see and so then you know, like when I'm prepping for the show like no no no no I can just see right now Maybe maybe check that out yeah so I'm a real that's a I'm a real information manager that's by the way I am not a big believer in the benefits of AI at this moment but if it can fix my email then I'll believe it and

so far no one's done that with how could it possibly fix your email it should know what I want to see and what's relevant to me based upon how about the transcript of my show or I mean all these wonderful inputs I can give it how come it can't do that? It's no one has fixed email for me. When you do that then I'll be a little more a believer in AI. Right now I think it's a great parlor trick. I think it's keeping the stock market afloat. You know, we've gone through three AI winters, even has his own wiki page, AI winter. It comes and goes, you know. At a certain point it was, Lisp was the programming language and then, you know, that went away and then funding dries up and, you know, now it's like, what? We don't really need a hundred million dollars to build a

model? Oh, but wait a minute, they stole that from you so you can copy. I run these models at home on my own computer. I run the Llama model, which is meta. They've open sourced it. I've run the French one, whatever their frog model, whatever they call it. And then DeepSeq, you can also just load that on your own computer. And it's not very impressive. I mean, it's just not. The error rate is too high. So I'm skeptical of it really taking off. And I certainly don't think it's sentient or anything of that kind.

I think it's on its way. And I think also the versions that we're getting are not the versions they're currently working on. And the people that I know that are in the loop at the highest levels of AI are alarmed, including Elon. I had a conversation with Elon. We went to, we were in line together to go to church the day of the inauguration. It just happened to be right next to him. And we just walked through together.

I'm like, hey, what's up? And that's all I wanted to talk about was the leaps that Grok AI is making. And he's like, it's like weekly we're shocked. And I think this thing is exponential. And when they start attaching large language models to quantum computing, it's going to get very, very weird. That's the pivot I'm waiting very, very weird. That's

the pivot I'm waiting for when people start. That's coming man, and that's gonna be like an asteroid hitting the Yucatan. You know, we've been waiting for quantum computers to actually work for 30 years and it's always 10 years away and right now it's 10 years away. Yeah, but right now they're able to do things with them. You know, they're able to solve very complicated algorithms one there was I'm not an expert in this but there was one Computation they did and you know that may be a computation it could do It's not necessary that you can give it any computation

You know that the computations that it's doing or are so insanely complex that they believe it's proof of the multiverse Yeah, I've heard this. Yeah, you're not buying it. No, not at all. Really? No, not for a second. How come? Because I...

How dare you? I know, I'm a Luddite, I'm a Luddite, look at me! How dare you crush my dreams? I believe in this! Yeah. I've got no smoke shaker in my car. For a number of reasons. One is, I'm not using it.

I am the using it. I am I am the Techno guy I've always been early in computers early in the internet and I just can't find the use for it when I find It's you know, it does some simple things. It's very good at language Honestly, if I'm look if I was like, okay, here's my situation. I'm looking for Bible scripture it'll come up with something good and then I can say and Read it to me like a Baptist pastor. And it'll go, hey, brother! You know, it'll do all that stuff.

But okay, you know, it has all of the translations of the Bible in it, and so it can predict reasonably what scripture will work. It's usually not all that great. It can do term papers. We're in a position now where people are putting their resume into chat GPT, sending it off, you know, thousands of people are sending off for a job, and the other end the people are taking that resume, putting it in a chat GPT and saying, please summarize this resume. I mean, that's insane. It's like, what are we doing here? That doesn't make

any sense. If it can fix my email, I'll be very impressed. That's all I want. That's all I asked for. Your email is a particular puzzle though. That's the thing. Everyone's email is a puzzle. It's like, you know, the spammers get around stuff and they figure it out and you say report a spam and then it comes back in a different way and you know, and how many older people especially, but even people our age who get scammed by, you know, these emails that look pretty convincing and then the minute you click, you know, then you're, they're like, oh, I should put my password in and then, then you're gone, you're done. There was, there's a phone scam going around right now, which is unbelievable.

They had me going for 15 minutes. I got a call, it was eight o'clock in the morning, right at eight o'clock. And I'm about to walk the dog. So I press it to voicemail. I come back, I listen, this is the sheriff from, um, um, Travis County and had a five one two number. And, you know, I need to talk to you urgently. I'm like, okay, this is kind of messed up. I call back, I get, I get someone, oh, I want Sheriff So-and-so. Yeah, hold on a second, we'll transfer.

I'm hearing police radio chatter in the background. The guy gets on and he's saying, well, you were an expert witness. You were called to be an expert witness in a case. I just happened to, and maybe this is not coincidence, I was asked to testify on someone's behalf in a case. And so you were supposed to be an expert witness in this case You didn't show up

so, you know, you've basically broken federal law and you know, we have to come and pick you up and we have to you know, or you can pay a fine and and then I'm like Okay, and it and it just kept on going and I'm like, whoa, hold on a sec It sounded so real. And then at a certain point, he's like, well, you need to get a coupon to send this money. I'm like, I'm gonna call my lawyer. You can't call your lawyer, I have a do not hang up order,

I have to walk you through the whole process. I'm like, okay, now I got it. But that was 10, 15 minutes later. And a lot of people have fallen for this one. It's good. Super sophisticated, huh good super sophisticated very so is that overseas are they like no losing a number no I mean these were American voices. It sounded like a sheriff it really did and the deputy sounded like a deputy I mean it was sophisticated is good is really much was the fine like 3000 for this for this infraction and

two thousand for that infraction, you know, for these two different things. And then you're gonna bank transfer, so they're gonna get your bank numbers. But I mean, at that point, I, I caught on, like, no, hold on a second, you know. How'd you get off of it? I said I'm gonna call my lawyer, and he's like, no, no, yeah, I'm like, you can't tell me I can't call my lawyer, this is bull crap. And then, and I had to calm down, I'm like, I said to Tina, I can't call my lawyer. This is bull crap. And then I had to calm down. I'm like, I said to Tina, I said, listen to what just happened to me.

This is crazy. Some people I know in Fredericksburg actually went all the way. Wow. Yeah, older people. And they were afraid. They're like, oh, authority. That's how they get you.

I'm sure you've got the one that that says this is my favorite Bitcoin scam it's like okay I've installed a spyware on your computer and I saw what you were doing looking at that porn site and I've recorded everything and I'm going to release it all to your to your friends and on your social media if you don't send me $2,000 in Bitcoin right away don't even think about contacting the authorities if you've gotten that one. They've sophisticated it even more now. They'll use your name and your address. Like I know you live at this address.

It's freaky man. So that kind of stuff would be nice if we could have AI protect us from that. If it can do all these wonderful things, focus on that. Help people, save people now. Yeah, cut out the scam. Yeah. Speaking of scamming, what do you think about shitcoins? Like what's your take on like Hoctua coin, Melania coin, and Trump coin? Those are more meme coins. Shitcoins, right? Isn't that what a meme coin is? Any so the only coin I believe in is Bitcoin and we've talked about this before. Right. In fact I looked it up hoping you would bring it up. Two years ago when I was here the last time Bitcoin was around $40,000 today it's close to $100,000.

This will continue to go up until we're long gone. It's very interesting. So I don't believe in in shitcoins at all because if you have Bitcoin has no CEO there's no one in charge of it it's literally tens of thousands of people around the world who run these nodes that make it open and make it run and keep it at this 21 million coin limit. I'm totally down with Bitcoin. I'm with you. But I think the shitcoin thing is fascinating, that anybody can create a coin. Yeah.

You know, like Jamie has a pull it up Jamie coin. I don't know if you know that. Well, but you. Don't put that on me. Do not. It's out there now. Now that you just said it, now that we just said it, because we brought it up yesterday with the Boneyard guy

with John Reeves, and we said, you should have your own coin get it the boneyard coin and now apparently somebody made one So this is you bring this up in context of scams because they are scams the way it was trouble So if if I wanted to make a quick quick amount of money I'd have a shit coin and have my bots ready and I'd say hey Joe Have you heard about my my curry? And you'd be like, no, wait a minute. And it would come out and it would skyrocket. My bots would sell it. I would make a lot of money and it would be dumped right away. It's a scam over and over and over again.

But what if you don't sell it? Yeah, then you'll have empty bits worth nothing. So it's only available for pump and dumps? That's the only thing it's good for. It's not good for anything else. What about if you wanted to use it to finance charity? Is it possible to do that? Bad idea, bad idea. Is it a bad idea? Yeah.

You know, a lot of charities now, they will accept Bitcoin and why is that good? Because people who have Bitcoin, and I have some Bitcoin, you know, I've been saving on Bitcoin for a long time, instead of selling it to which I then have to pay capital gains over the difference between what I bought it for and sold it at, I can give it to the charity, I can still take my tax-deductible write-off, they can do one of two things. They can convert it right away into dollars, no gains because it's the same the same minute So I've actually been able to give more than I would have

or oops or they can They can sell some of it and hold some of it for a longer term I really really believe in Bitcoin and what we're seeing now. There is something interesting going on Our dollar is in big big trouble trouble. And President Trump knows this. This falls into kind of the tariffs talk. Have you heard about stablecoins? No. Okay. Do you mind if I just give you a little... Our monetary system, it really started after World War II, 1944. We were nearing the end of the war. D-Day was coming, or maybe it just happened. We're

getting pretty close. And Europe in particular was very worried that after the war they would fall into the same Great Depression that happened after World War I, and we had the Great Depression. So they brought in all the economists and all the money, and people got on the Queen Mary and went to the states to Bretton Woods. You've heard of Bretton Woods probably? No. The Bretton Woods system? Okay. So Bretton Woods is just this resort. They all got together and they decided that they would have a new monetary system for the entire world. I'm not an economist but I've looked at this long enough to understand it. And when they came out after two weeks he said okay we're gonna have this thing called

the International Monetary Fund, the IMF, and they're going to manage the interest rates or they manage the currency exchange between all the individual countries with the US dollar as the reserve currency. So we became the money of the world and we back it by gold. And the idea was one dollar could always be exchanged for 35 ounces of gold and you know when you're the reserve currency everyone has to have the dollar so everybody wanted our dollar what did we do we signed the Marshall Plan we sent tens you know just billions of dollars over all our

companies went into Europe started building factories and and you know so, so the dollar kept going in, all these other currencies kind of came a little bit weaker because we were so strong with our money, and then people got a little worried about the dollar. They looked around and went like, hey, do you guys have the gold to back that up in Fort Knox? Of course we didn't because we just kept printing money and sending it over, and then you get into this thing called the the Triffin Dilemma. And that means that when you are the reserve currency, your currency is basically overvalued and you can't export anything. And that's exactly, I'm skipping over a lot, but

that's where we are today. Our products are too expensive to ship to China and sell in China because of the value of our dollar. This is why President Trump is saying hey All our money is flowing out towards you. We need to get some of that back. So we're gonna raise tariffs I think it's a short-term solution. So I think two things will happen One is we have this sovereign wealth fund which you've heard him talk about the sovereign wealth fund One is we have this sovereign wealth fund, which you've heard him talk about, the sovereign wealth fund. So in that will be the value of our public land that the government owns and all kinds of other things.

It'll be valued at this astronomical amount. And in that will also be the strategic Bitcoin reserve that the president promised. Now we get stable coins. This is a crazy, crazy thing that's happened. There's this... So a stable coin is a digital dollar. It's pegged to the dollar, so it's always a dollar. And you can pay with this through the internet, through apps and everything. It's already being used all over the world.

The only reason it's worth a dollar is because the stable coin company that creates it, they have debt and paper to back it up. So they buy America's debt, they get treasury bonds or T-bills, which actually pays a dividends, you get interest on that, and for each dollar they have bought in treasuries, they can create a stable coin. So if you look at the company Tether, And for each dollar they have bought in treasuries, they can create a stablecoin. So if you look at the company Tether,

they have bought more of the United States debt than most countries. They have $160 billion worth of US debt. And for each of those dollars, they've created a stablecoin, which now people can use all over the world transacting. And what's their business? There's like 50 people in the company so they have a hundred and sixty

billion dollars at four percent interest annually. They're making bank just for just for holding this debt. So I think President Trump is very smart and he's seen that we can flood the world with our stable coin and you kind of get a two-for-one. So you create a dollar of debt but then you create another dollar on top that can be used all over the world as the reserve currency and that should probably result in, I don't know, the Mar-a-Lago Accord or some new monetary system that we're going to have to come up with to really have our dollar be valued properly but also still remain the reserve currency and remain

the strong export country that we need to be because you know what do we do we don't make anything that we sell abroad you know we can't all be you know serving each other burgers and fries and washing each other's cars and cleaning each other's homes. We have to build something. And all of that went overseas. Everything, everything we got, all of the stuff on this table. This, you know, it didn't come out of his butt. This is from China.

Although, I don't know. So there's something big coming, really big, and it has to happen. Trump is a very meta guy. People misunderstand. He's going to refi the country. That's what he's a real estate guy. He's going to figure out a way to refi it, and it'll be digital. And a lot of the Bitcoiners don't like this because they like Bitcoin to be the money

that the whole world uses. You know that may one day happen, but you know now it's more like the digital gold. You know you can you can keep your your value in it and you know I can send a billion dollars if I had it I could send a billion dollars to another country to another person in ten minutes, and you know no one can stop me. So it's a very useful tool but it hasn't quite turned out to be money or currency the way it was originally intended. But it's going to be a very important part of it. I think you'll see

Bitcoin be a part of that strategic reserve. It's easier than sending gold you know then oh I'm gonna ship you a billion dollars worth of gold. I need you know armored cars, I need dudes, everything, security and ships and whatever. So it'll be a part of it and you'll still be able to use it between people, but it looks to me like stablecoin and tether in particular is going to be the the future of the US dollar payments. And this is where a lot of people on the right certainly are very afraid of control grid, you know, because a stable coin is not necessarily like Bitcoin. You

can stop it, you can control it, you can see who sent what to whom. There's a lot of fear about this and particularly although I don't see any maliciousness there's fear that Elon and the PayPal mafia and Peter Thiel, all guys you've met, all guys you've had on the show I think are actually quite nice people, that they're going to bring in the new with AI and we're all gonna be locked in and you know Stargate will bring cancer mRNA vaccines that will be mandated. I mean people are spinning up over this stuff and I'm not saying that they're necessarily wrong or there should

be no concern but we are moving towards a digital dollar and it will have aspects of control which is why I like the backup of Bitcoin so I can still transact and do things without anybody being able to stop it. And you're going to get none of that with a shit coin. Nothing. When FTX, that scandal, what were they trading in? Was that all meme coins? Was that different cryptos?

Is there a difference between meme coins and established crypto coins? Well, an established, anything but Bitcoin has someone who can change the ledger, who can change the blockchain. Bitcoin, you can't do that. It's a beautiful system. The checks and balances are immutable. I mean, that's the beauty of Bitcoin. Any other blockchain that is owned or operated by a company or people can be and will be manipulated and FTX was one of those. What I believe FTX was

really used for was slush fund into Democrat Party and politicians. Not just there also to some Republicans as well. That kid, that Sam Bankman Fried, he got abused by his parents, I think. I'm just alleging this. I don't want to get sued over it. But when you see what was going on there, and the money that was just being slushed right through into different foundations. Those parents were Democratic operatives, right? Big time. They had nonprofits and all kinds of... And he was the number two donor to the Democratic Party.

That's right. Which is crazy. And you're doing that to kind of buy your way through this shenanigans. and all kinds of... And he was the number two donor to the Democratic Party. That's right. Which is crazy. And you're doing that to kind of buy your way through this shenanigans. That's what it seemed like to me, yeah. Because you're doing shenanigans. And they're all also doing amphetamines and polyamorous relationships in the Bahamas. It's a polycule, Joe.

It's just a polycule. It was sad for these kids because they were just all excited and doing stuff and you know I mean when I've been in I've raised money from Kleiner Perkins and Sequoia Capital and you know when you get them all googly gaga over oh this guy was so cool he was sitting in the pitch meeting and he was playing a video game but he's such a genius I mean mean, what? Are you kidding me? Right.

Venture capital investors are not necessarily the most sophisticated. Well, they want results and if they're getting results, they'll put on the blinders. What I was just reading about Elizabeth Holmes. Oh yeah. I love that story. She got screwed. She got screwed? Oh yeah. How so?

Well, okay. So she was in a situation where the so-called smartest investors in the world, which included Colin Powell and everyone was in on this deal. Everyone's like, you got to get your money in now. Bring everybody in. We got this big fund. This is going to be it. This is the blood test.

It'll change medicine. And you know, they hyped her up. They put her in the magazine, you know, she's looking like the female Steve Jobs, and she got caught up in it. And falsified. But you're taking an agency away from her. She changed her voice, she started dressing like Steve Jobs, she started lying about results, she fired people that didn't go along with

it. Yes. But does she deserve to go to jail for 10 years for ripping off people who were stupid? Yes. Really? Well, you can't rip people off. I think you have restitution and things that you can do. Hundreds of millions of dollars people lost. That's not restitution. You don't have that money. You're not going to pay it back because your product sucks. So they've dumped all this money and lost. Like that's not rest to you don't have that money. You're not going to pay it back because your product sucks. So they've dumped all this money.

It's a civil it's a civil crime. And there's there's definitely some blame on the investors. But the investors were too big to look stupid. So I think they pushed a little bit more on her than she does. I'm not trying to defend her her to jail at all? Yeah, but not for 10 years. How long, a couple days? Yeah, just a couple days, yeah. Just enough to transition, Joe. Just enough to become a dude and then we're good to go. No, I mean, it's just another example

of big money being stupid. And maybe they could just admit that. They pushed her, I know how it goes I know I remember we had pod show which was you know a lot of sophisticated investors Kleiner and And Sequoia, you know this is like the same people Elon. I met Elon when when they launched the Tesla I was at the at the hangar where they where they did the first test drives. It was it was interesting and I was like this guy seems like on the spectrum he's not really talking much. It's like what's going on here? You know it's like what's happening with this? And you know so we were doing podcasting so

this is right after maybe a year after Steve Jobs put it into into iTunes and the and the iPod and and So there was money coming in and you know the first thing they said is you've got to be in San Francisco Well, if you want a media company, where's the last place you want to be is San Francisco? You need to be LA or New York. No, no, no, you got to be here and Why they want you to be in San Francisco so they could come and see the office and check out the operation and make sure their money is being spent well. Oh. How often are they going to visit?

Oh, you have no idea. They're always dropping by and like, what's going on? So you're doing reports and it's- Oh, they just want to hang out with the cool guy. Yeah, well that too maybe. But then, you know, it was definitely a struggle. We were actually kind of profitable for a bit there, but it was like GoDaddy ads with promo codes.

Code Bon Gino. I mean, it was like, are people really listening? Are they just using the codes? And there's always a lot of scams. Like the honey scam? Well, no, not like that. No, there's scams of you know When companies need to we didn't do this But when companies need to raise more money in Silicon Valley

Then they'll buy some traffic from bots And I'm sure it happens on with comedy videos to feel like I need some traffic on this video Let me buy some bots on so you definitely can do that right right of course yeah But then at a certain point YouTube had come out you know and, and oh, YouTube, everyone has to do video now. You gotta do video, you can't do audio, gotta do video. And then it got even worse, like we sat in a board meeting, like, have you seen Juiced? Juiced? I'm like, do you remember Juiced? J-O-O-S-T?

Oh yeah, what was that? It was the guys who built Skype, they built this video platform that was basically a peer to peer streaming television shows, and there was no doubt about it. You've got to go video, be more like Juiced, make your interface like Juiced. So at a certain point you're like, well, what am I going to do? Am I going to risk running out of money? Am I going to listen to what they say? Do they really know what they're talking about?

And ultimately, you know, the company ran for 10 years and no one exited, you know, it just kind of got folded into other things. So it was not a great investment of their money or my time, honestly. Well, it's kind of amazing that the big video platform is still just YouTube. And now, you know, YouTube just passed Netflix. Now is the most watched thing on television. Oh, they're the big they're not even counted in the streaming data in the streaming wars, but yeah, they're the big I have YouTube TV I don't I cut the cable. I watch I don't have cable anymore It's like I've just I watch YouTube on TV more than I watch anything because there's so much variety

There's so many different things you can search the fact that you could essentially find anything like if I'm interested in you know some particular region of the world of ancient history I just punch that into YouTube and I have hundreds if not thousands of videos on it. It took them a long time to get I think to make that profitable inside of Google because if you if you see how many videos are being uploaded daily and transformed into digital video and I mean it's it's crazy the amount of if you see how many videos are being uploaded daily and transformed into digital video and I mean it's crazy the amount of computation that goes into YouTube and the amount of bandwidth that is being sent

so I think it took a long time they never really reported the numbers they've only done that in the past couple years or how much revenue now of course YouTube is is making bank I mean it's really it's an incredible shocking that no one has come up with anything even remotely close it would take too much money it's so much investment that goes into doing that it's it's it's a lot I mean you remember your bandwidth cost back in the day pre Spotify you know think how do you solve that when you have a hundred million videos being posted every single day. Yeah, you can't.

I mean, it's insane. You'd have to have billions of dollars in startup money. And then you're still struggling to get people to use your app. It's not possible. Like, you remember that one company that came up? Was it Quibi? What was it? Yes.

Was that what it was? They spent so much money on that. Was it Katzenberg? Katzenberg? I do not remember. It was a Hollywood thing. It was a Hollywood thing. I think it was Queeby, Jamie.

And they got a bunch of famous people to do short videos. Short drama. And they put $2 billion in and gone. They blew it real quick. Because you can't... Can't manufacture something that goes viral. No, you can't. And that's kind of like TikTok.

We talked about TikTok last time, I think, when I was here. And obviously, it's not an issue now that China is spying through TikTok because it's still here. As I told you then, I think it's because they were eating Silicon Valley's lunch, doing $4 billion, taking away revenue from them. And just looking at the people who sponsored the bill bill it seemed like they had a lot of donations from Google and Amazon you know that just seemed to me like there might be some some issues

there but what people misunderstand about TikTok is it's not just about the videos and the format and how it flies by. It's about the shop. The shop is their magic sauce. If you look at the back end, the influencers who get paid on TikTok, they have this whole back end with rankings and who sold more stuff. Half the videos on TikTok, once you get out of your algo, half of them are about products and people are just selling products and it's all from China and it's all been coming in

under the $800 de minimis tax regulation. So there's no import duty or anything paid on it. They actually have, I think, Team You now has warehouses in America. So it's just Chinese crap that we're buying over and over again, and it's wildly successful. It's not really about the ads on, do you get ads on TikTok?

A lot of ads. I don't use TikTok. Okay, good. Yeah. So when it was gonna go away, I'm like, I gotta get this app. I gotta see what happens. You know, I was like, this is gonna be crazy.

So I get the app and I'm using my Graphene OS phone so I can lock off all access. All it had was my location. Can't hide that from the IP address and my name. So I'm- You can get TikTok on a Graphene phone? Yeah. Oh yeah. Yeah. And you can actually block it from accessing

your contacts, block it from- But still that was too much for you. You had to go to a flip phone. That's interesting. Well, that was my, it's my experimental thing. And so all it knew was Adam Curry in the Hill Country. And it went, I think it went Curry, black name, Hill Country, it was probably about 50 churches

where he is, boom, right away, I'm getting black preachers, bring me Hellstone, Brimf, oh yeah. And it's just like, and on and on and on. It's been phenomenal. So, and it's just like and on and on and on it's been phenomenal So and some of these guys are pretty good The ones that fall back, you know, it's like and the guy catches them every single time And so their algorithm is just give that person more of what they want They're not they're not trying to do like us

like in like, you know meta or I'm not sure about X how that works, but Let me inject some people who are against it or have a counter argument. Like when I was on the last time and I talked about my coming to Jesus, dude, there were TikTok videos with millions of views of just this one bit, and if you looked at it one time, you get the same over and over again. You get all kinds of Jesus stuff back and forth. That's all. Not anyone going, yeah, you guys are crazy, you know, this is no good. None of that. So it's a very friendly, it's kind of the Chinese model, you know, it's like give people what they want and don't try to

interject them or spin them up or get them angry and then throw an ad in their face when they're all emotional. So it's very different. It's very different. I don't know if it'll be worth anything to anyone buying it unless you have the shop portion. Without that, I don't know. I don't think- Don't you think they'd have all that too?

I mean, is that the whole idea of buying? You gotta have the products. You gotta have the cheap Chinese products. That's the problem. Oh, I see. It's like, do you have that stuff? I mean- You'd have to still be products. That's that's that's the problems like do you have that that stuff? I mean you have to still be buying them from China. Yeah, it's it's fun for you know for us like oh, you know Different crazy people. I mean Dvorak use it all the time. He's he's in an algo of just nut jobs

You know, he's like blue hair. Look at this. He plays clips on the show I'm like dude you got you got to do something else with your life during the day. It's just amazing how many of those kooky people are getting so much traction. And that was the thought that it was a Chinese Psy-Op, that they were accentuating all these people, and that was ruining the culture of America, because it was showing you all these blue-haired psychopaths

with beards and lipstick and nail polish. So I heard the same thing from, I heard people saying, dude, you're wrong. They want to get rid of TikTok because that's where MAGA lives. I'm like, huh? And then it was, because that's all they got. They got MAGA.

Right, because that's what offends them. Exactly. Exactly. So it's very social media. The internet in general was kind of a bad idea It's kind of hurt as good for many things, but there's two sides of the same coin. This is good and bad. I mean Why would you say it's a bad idea though? I think it's a great idea Well, I mean you were just talking about it just shift the balance of information because of the psyops if we're not aware of the PsiOps, you know, the DARPA, the Defense

Agency Research Project Agency? I had too many agencies in there, DARPA. Since the 70s, they've been looking at social networks. And really in the, there's a guy, he came up with the law of large numbers. And they figured out that in a computer network, regardless of the content, depending on if you have enough nodes, you can predict where the information will flow. So if I'm talking about something here, if they boost the right nodes, they can predict where that information will go. And that's how, I don't think even Elon can stop that from happening. It's not an algorithm thing. It's literally like a law of nature thing. That just, that's the way it will flow and you can start injecting things to the right nodes and you'll propagate

some message. And I mean, I think it's happening all the time everywhere. I mean, once you start looking, it's like, well, where's that coming from? Well, I think we need to educate people on how to digest social media. And I think you should treat it the same way you treat junk food. And I think there's certain aspects of social media that are really interesting, and I like them. I aspects of social media that are really interesting and I like them

I mean most of what I get on social media is what my friends send me So that's sure that's how I do it. Sure, and this is how I stay sane Mm-hmm is like my friends send me wacky things and I go. Oh my god. What is this? Like my me my friend Christina Prusitzky she sends me like the the nuttiest like trans activists screaming and nutty guys who think they're women And then me and Tom Segura we exchange murder videos murder Oh and car accidents and animal attacks and then you know before breakfast

No, I try not to in the morning, but sometimes I have to check my text message because I have business stuff I have things things going on, you know guests and this and that and So I do check but you know It's just it's very intoxicating to just sit there on the toilet and just start scrolling toilet scroller but you got a you know you got to develop discipline and Discipline is important for every aspect of your life and you see you have to like when you've had too much, but that's that's not easy for young kids

You know, right? It's not but I think they can learn just like they've learned everything else in this world But you need that rental guidance and most of the parents are hooked on it themselves Well, I think they need a message, you know, and I think this conversation is part of that message You know I think kids need to realize like you are wasting time like Like if you spend two hours just scrolling through TikTok, you have wasted time. And there's stuff that you probably should be doing. And you're going to be depressed if you don't do those things. You're going to feel weird. You're not going to feel satisfied. You're not going to feel like you're on a good path. You're going to like not have a lot of respect

for yourself. If you just like sit on the couch all day and scroll through TikTok, which many people listening to this have done a whole day. Just sitting there eating chips, scrolling through TikTok and just wasting your day. That is possible to do. I think there's ways that you can incorporate it into your life where it's interesting, you know, and I've got good algorithms now, especially on YouTube, but pretty good algorithms on Instagram, too, where most of the stuff it's showing me

is stuff I'm actually interested in. So you get those videos when you're interested in a topic, and then there'll be like five different videos that are being suggested to you. And about five minutes in, you're like, this is just an AI voice that's cobbled a whole bunch of old things together and it's a new version of it oh yeah learning anything yeah there's a lot of that there's always those two a lot of I think YouTube is the best because like

I'm interested in specific subjects right like I'm a car not I love old cars in specific particular this by the, lots of people love restored things. People love restored cars. We love, you have, I think, do you still have your car? Which one? The Corvette. Oh yeah. I mean beautifully restored, just just peak, last time I saw it, which was I think in LA. This is what I think the president is doing. He's trying to restore us back to being that great American muscle car. And I think people, everybody loves a beautiful restored muscle car. You know what I mean? Well America is making real muscle cars right now. Like this is one of the rare times where America's got

very exciting automobiles that are out now. We've talked a bunch of times about the Corvette ZR1, which is breaking all these labs. Is that the mid-engine? Is the mid-engine, 1,000 horsepower Corvette that they're just releasing now. Tina won't let me buy one.

I'm like, let me buy one. Why not? Why not? She's just. You gotta put your foot down. No, no, I'm good, I'm good. No, no, no, no. Mommy tells you what to do. No, no, no. good. I'm good. Mommy tells you what to do.

No, no, no. She's like, that's a douchebag car. Yeah, for me it would be kinda douchey. Why? It's awesome. Don't think that way. That's silly. Ever since I started flying 350 miles an hour, I don't care about how fast they go on the ground, Joe. It's not even how fast you go. Well, that's why I like old cars,

because it's not even how fast I had a c5 though I did have a long time ago. Those are cool. Yeah, they're a little shitty actually They really got good around c7 c7 was that heads-up display was cool though. It's like c5 Yeah, I had a heads-up. Look at that. That's the new one. That's the zio one. Come on son. That is not a douchebag car That's a guy. It's a beautiful car. Yeah That's a fucking American work. Yeah. Yeah, it's nice. Can I get my dog in it? Oh, can I get my dog your dog 95 pounds? What is he? She is a She's a great Pyrenees. Okbosh rescue mutt. Oh, that's yeah completely white. I didn't mean to misgender your dog

Yes, very angry. How awesome that looks man. You don't take your dog everywhere Reward yourself Adam curry. You're the pod father. Get a fucking Corvette. Look at that thing. That's beautiful. There's a cockpit inside of that thing. That is beautiful. And the performance of that is unparalleled. It's an amazing automobile. A friend of mine, he just, because he's a real American car nut. He just bought a Tesla Model 3 and he bought it for the autopilot. He says, I wish this came in 16 cylinder, you know, multi-turbo. He says, oh yeah, but he says the autopilot. He just loves that. He loves the autopilot. I have a S, the plaid. I have a plaid

Tesla, the four door larger sedan. Yeah. Does have the autopilot. Yeah, full self-drive. Yeah, it's incredible. I don't use it that much I like to drive but just the capability of the car is amazing Yeah, the speed and the effortlessness in which it merges with traffic and just takes off No sound Beautiful man is beautiful. Yeah, but it's different. So I like yeah, I like old air-cooled Porsches I had a not fast time ago. They're not fast. They're not fast and your man. You're man You're always the truck clutch like oh, I got to push that thing. Well, it's their floor mounted to they're different They're the old Porsches are different, but it's um, what they are is a

Physical experience. It's like a ride. It's a fun, exhilarating experience where you hear the, you hear the engine, you're shifting the gears yourself. It's exciting and engaging. And that is more important to me sometimes than just speed. I don't need to go fast. It's not even about going fast. It's about the whole, the whole, the whole experience. You're feeling the rear end break a little with your ass You know as it can't do that anymore in these modern cars man doesn't work anymore We used to put Porsche engines into VW buses back in the day. That was awesome

You could also you can fit it in a in a beetle to you can fit you can fit a Porsche engine into a body Yeah, a lot of people have done crazy Beetle transformations where they've hyped up Porsche engines and put them in the back of those things. Yeah, there's a whole modding community of Beetle freaks that take Beetles and juice them up. They're Volkswagen, they're Volkswagen. Remember how many there were in the 70s coming in from Germany? We all had a, I had a 1303.

I loved my Beetle, it was the best. Yeah, when I was a kid, my friend Jimmy had one. He had a Beetle. It was just cheap on gas. It was easy to drive and mine was like I like I had to Jumpstart it because the lock had broken So like he jumpstarted every time you got in and then I'd lost my gas cap And so I've just had a rag in there. Oh, and if I went And so I just had a rag in there. And if I went around the highway to the right, and if my tank was too full, then gas would leak out and my front tire would start to slide off.

It was back in, you know, 18, you know, just like, eh, I got to drive this thing. It was great. I loved that. That was a good, we weren't scrolling on TikTok, Joe Rogan, we were doing dangerous stuff. We were jumpstarting our cars And we think we're lucky that we've seen both We've gone through we grew up at a time where there was no internet and you were going outside to do things and people did Physical activities, but then as we got older we were recognize that there's this new technology

That's connecting the whole world in this weird way and we're getting to experience it as people who know the world before that. I think we're real lucky. Well, you're a big part of a change certainly in young men. I mean, I've seen so many young men who follow you and follow your workout regime and follow ... listen to you. They listen to you about what you're saying about health, food And that's a that's a really you're an important voice in that regard. You've really really Helped a lot of young men in our country and far beyond it I mean, I know you don't take compliments like this well, but he's here. It's very important

Well, I'm very happy very very important what you're doing There's a lot of young men that just feel like real disconnected to the world what you're doing. There's a lot of young men that just feel like real disconnected to the world. Nothing seems to be anything that is interesting to them and they're being pushed into this box where someone's trying to turn them into a fucking chihuahua. This is like the evolution of the wolf into the dog. That's what's happening with men. For some reason, men are supposed to be neutered. You know, there's, in the 60s, so I've been, ever since I got saved and become a believer,

I've really learned about our American history and I've been blown away by how much, because a lot of, you know, you talk about the 60s and when they outlawed psychedelic drugs and put it on schedule one, that was the exact same time when the Bible was basically taken out of school and it was, you know, and I think the church in general kind of went into itself and kind of, you know, became a thing you do over there on Sundays. Can we pause real quick? Because I have to take a leak real bad. You gotta pee?

Yeah, let's pause, we'll come back, we'll talk about Jesus we'll be right back yeah yeah yeah oh man much better right thank you thank you so we were gonna talk about the vaping thing cuz you're saying that there's nothing wrong with vaping well I didn't say there's nothing wrong with they what is that when can I see it yeah this is a brick when you could hurt somebody with this if you wanted to fuck somebody up well if you wanted to fuck somebody up Well, if you get a good grip, yeah, you just like brass knuckles almost yeah like holding a roll of pennies Yeah, this no you wouldn't do that. You're gonna break your hand. That's all silly. That's why I carry my gun

That's the battery the batteries heavy so it's So when I gave up I've always pulled this yeah, yeah, so it's the top button Yeah, press it and just suck what was the flavor of this a tobacco ish tobacco ish. Yes tobacco basically so That was a little hit yeah, you can take a big one let it warm up a little bit let it Yeah, press the button and button and then there you go. It's crackling. It's crackling. Yeah, yeah, go, go, go, go.

There you go. Oof. That's definitely different than the gas station ones. Oh, you don't want those. This is organic juice. It's got 0.3% nicotine. I wind my own coil made out of silver. The cotton is American-made cotton, not from China. No, I've got into this. Cotton? What's the cotton for?

So, if you look at the mechanism, see? Okay. So, the cotton sucks up the juice and then the coil warms up. So, the cotton sucks up the juice and then the coil warms up the cotton like the filter No, the cotton it has the juice in it And then when the coil worms warms up it creates the vapor from the juice that's in it So do you have to constantly refresh the cotton? Yeah. Yeah, so you just dump your cotton in the juice. No, no No, it's the juice is inside. It's in the tank. Yeah, it has little wires in there

So just crawls up cotton in every now and again Yeah, and I'm in winds a new there, so it crawls up. So you just put new cotton in every now and again? Yeah, and wind a new coil from time to time. How long do you have to wait before you put new cotton in? It depends, I do it usually once every couple of days. That doesn't give me the weird head rush that the gas station ones do. That's Chinese crap. That's what I like though. Alright, well good luck to you.

I like the first hit. That's what you like off those, the gas station vapes. It's like you're chasing a dragon you get that first hit First hits like ah Relaxing and then after that you never get that again. So I really got into this There was a store in Fredericksburg called vaporlicious. They've retired now. They've retired Jerry and Kathy and they're two old hippies from why do they make it so unwieldy well you can get all kinds of different versions but I'm a serious user so I need this whole battery I have a whole kit with me man I got a screwdriver to open this up and that doesn't with your lungs or your

health or anything like that no I've never felt this good okay and so this is different juice so what is the juice. So what is the juice? Because the thing about the actual oil is the issue, right? Yeah. And this is a thing like a lot of these cheap ones that you're buying off the gas station. You don't know what's in there. This is glycol, which is essentially the same stuff

that's in the theatrical mist machines. Okay. Only much watered down. And all it does is just produce vapor and so what is vapor? Well it's mainly water and of course you're mixing it with nicotine and nicotine you know that's that's the piece that I've always liked about smoking but now I don't get the tar I don't get all other contaminants and I also don't get high you know I stopped I stopped, I kind of stopped, I used

to smoke a lot of weed, I stopped, it's just, I haven't felt like doing it anymore, you know, like a glass of wine, but no, and so this, I do have Gorilla Grip on it, it's like everywhere I go, I'm like, where's my vape, where's my vape, so I'm fully aware I'm addicted to more the motion of it, I would roll up, I could roll them with one hand behind my back, I've been doing it so long. So I had a real spliff with tobacco, with weed, and then it would go out and I'd put it down and I'd come up, pick it up again. At a certain point, it was like three in the morning, I'd wake up like, I think I'll go roll a joint. I'd smoke a whole spliff, go back to bed.

I mean, it got to be a little, I was smoking a lot. And without it, I'm very productive, Joe. I gotta tell you, I'm super productive. I'm doing all kinds of things. Well, nicotine is very good for productivity. And for me, it can work, well, those are my two drugs, caffeine and nicotine. I kinda dig it

I really do it's a very good for productivity. Yeah, is it is there any bad stuff? I mean, I know it it Constricts your blood flow in your mouth and in other parts probably. I mean, obviously you're putting something in your stream So it I don't know but you like those Those pouches. Yeah, I do but I Wanted to see what happens if I took time off and I went out of the country for five days and didn't bring them and I was fine. Didn't bother me at all.

I was wondering if I'd be itching for one. I'm okay on the plane. I can fly to Europe. I'm like, I'm okay. I don't need to vape. Can you go in the bathroom and just get a quick one in there on the plane? This is a very bad idea. If you do not wanna be caught vap there on the plane. You know this is a very bad idea

If you do not want to be caught vaping on the plane. Oh really yeah, of course I Have that set off a fire alarm? I don't know can you blow it right into the toilet? You can do what they call zero zero zero vape Which is basically you inhale and you just hold it in until nothing comes out. Oh wow. Yeah. Or you know, I've done one of these like... And then go under your jacket.

Yeah, I know. I've seen people do that at the movie theater and stuff. That is not approved behavior, so I do not condone that. It's okay. I can handle not vaping for eight hours or whatever. So what's in the gas station ones when you're getting that? Who knows? What's in the oil?

Who knows? who knows? Who knows that's maybe what killed some people early on in kovat? You know it might have been bad to a lot of THC of course these pre-made cartridges. You just don't know what's in it It's like no don't don't vape that stuff do not vape the pre-made things I mean, this is fun. You get to learn how to do it, it's manufacturing, you know. It's you get into, I can't really get into it, like I got this this diameter silver wire and five, you know, you do five five loops or six loops for different impedance. Oh, yeah, there's a whole, I mean, this tank, you know, this thing is like, it's, you try different, I, I must have 18 different vapes that I've tried, and like, this is the one.

Somebody gave me one at one point in time. It was like, it was carrying around a phone. It was like I was carrying around, it was the size of your flip phone. Yeah. And I was like, this is ridiculous. That's me, baby. That's me.

I don't wanna have another heavy thing in my pockets or in my fanny pack. It's like, it's too much. This is okay, I mean, it's alright. And then this thing. But you decided that the phone was too invasive, even with the Graphene OS. Yeah. Yeah, because you could still do everything, just not being tracked. And so I used to go to bed, you know, we'd go to bed at the same time, you know, we always watched some stupid, like we're in season seven of Seinfeld right now,

you know, so we'll watch a half hour of stupidity and then we go to bed and I used to be on my phone, you know, for half an hour scrolling stuff or whatever and then you know, okay I'm tired, yeah, because my brain has been working overtime on whatever inputs I'm giving it and now I'm like, well there's nothing to scroll so I just go to bed and I'm out in three seconds. I'm like, I sleep. And I sleep all the way through and I wake up in the morning, I'm refreshed, I feel good. I don't look at social media the first hour I'm up. I mean, I do Bible readings and stuff and devotionals and my text-a-buddy of mine, and

I'm ready, man. Then... Do you do social media in the morning? No. Like, almost not at all. So when you do it, you do it from a computer? Yeah. Do you check it out at all?

Yeah. And when you do that, one of the questions I had about that, does that do voice to text from Andrew? It can. Oh, that's a game. However, of course, when you do that, Google is basically keeping your transcript. There's a company in Austin called Futto. Wait a minute, so if you just text it doesn't keep your transcript? Oh I'm sure it does, but if you, I'm not sure what how much of that

it does, but when you read, when you speak into it, it goes to the Google servers, the Google server then transcribes it and sends it back to your phone. It's not happening on the phone. It's happening on Google servers, and they probably keep all of that, or my voice, or whatever. There's a company in Austin called Futto, F-U-T-O, and they have an open source voice to text system that don't keep your transcripts,

and they have some good guys. I've been messing with that. It's not quite as fast as Google. And will that work on that phone? Yeah, you can install it. Yeah, just as an extra keyboard. But key you ever send messages with Google voice or with with the voices text on that fire You I've been using futile. Oh you have yeah on that. Yeah. Yeah Yeah, so I use it on my phone all the time like when I'm in my car pressed a little button to that go see yeah

So I'm you know who knows what Apple's doing with that. don't know I mean sending it right to China all the memes Maybe maybe I don't know it's alright. It's okay. Yeah, so I went to Boston You live in Boston. Yeah, so we went to go see the Doobie Brothers and When was this last year? Yeah, they're a lot. They're around. Yes, and it was wild. It was it was in Massachusetts it was one of these youitheaters that's half covered. And we were the youngest people there. And people were sparking weed. You could smell the whole place.

They're like 80 year old dudes smoking Doobies. It was amazing. And the Doobie Brothers play, and it was like, the first 45 minutes is them doing it. This is from our album from five years ago. Dude, we want China Grove, you know, give us long train running. So eventually they get into that,

but then they would, like Michael McDonald, What a Fool Believes, you know, I loved that song. He would do it syncopically, like, instead of doing the song, like we all remember it, you do, what a fool believe he heaves, believe he's like no no don't do that it was really disappointing but the opening act was steve winwood steve winwood's now almost eighty years old

and he i get goosebumps just thinking about it railed he will he did you know. Fantasy from traffic sure which that? three-quarters of that song is guitar solo and he's just like And go and the crowd is going nuts and he has all these young kids with them and you can you see the close-up on the screens and they're like Dude, look at look at what he's doing. It was amazing. I bring it up because the next day Did you go out to Plymouth? dude, look at what he's doing. It was amazing. I bring it up because the next day, did you go back out to Plymouth?

Pete Slauson Did I go to Plymouth? Pete Slauson Yeah. Pete Slauson Massachusetts, sure. Plymouth Rock? Pete Slauson Right. So, Plymouth Rock is kind of disappointing because it's like, it's a rock. It's just a rock. And there's a structure around it and like, okay, you know, it's a rock. And there's a little sign next to it that says, we don't know that this was really the rock, but some guy in church who was 90 years old at the time said, yeah, I think this was the rock. So that's the rock. You were talking about the Georgia Guidestones a few episodes ago with somebody. Did you know that we have

an actual Guidestone in America, in Plymouth? No. It's called the Monument to the forefathers. I'd never heard of this. It's about two blocks in and it's I think arguably the largest granite structure in America certainly, but maybe in the world. It was completed in 1890 and it is the guidestone of America. How do I not know about this? No one knows about this is clear check it out It thing is huge well, and it's literally in a cul-de-sac a residential area really There's no road is that it was completed in? 1890 after 50 years of building it

and so This is the formula for America. This is why it's going before our pee break the formula The formula for America, so they constructed this so that if we ever lost our way, we could find our way back. You know when they talk about, America was built on Christian values, like what does that mean? What does that even mean, Christian values? Even the word Christian is like, that was actually a slur back in the day that they came up with for Jesus believers.

So in the middle of faith, that's her name, faith, and it's four sides, and one is law, education, morality, and liberty, and has all these cool inscriptions. It's really something amazing to see, and I believe that's the formula that we need to get back. You actually, you live like this. Joe Rogan lives these four sides. You live, you understand law, morality, education, and liberty. And if we can get back to that, you know, that would be just... In fact, so all of our early presidents, all of them lived by the Bible, every single one of them. They wrote about it, they studied it.

1778, one of the first acts of a Congress was to print a Bible for everybody. So I brought you, this is done by a group called the Wall Builders, and David Barton, he has all, these are the receipts. So it's a Bible, but it has three-quarters of that book is writings by our early presidents all the way up through Reagan, and this David Barton guy, he has all of these originals. I think he lives in Aledo, Texas. And it shows you what our code was in the early days up until the 60s, and's when you know we got this big argument about well we can't have you know the whole like the first amendment is the right to establish a religion and that has been perverted throughout the years to say well you can't have you know

the Bible in schools and the government can't tell you to do this and you can't be talking about they used to the the hall of Congress used to be a church. That's how we started. And you don't have to necessarily be a believer or saved by Jesus just to understand where we came from and the basic tenets of law, where those guys created it from. The receipts are in the Declaration of Independence. Our Bill of Rights, our amendments, our rights, not that the government gives us. You know, they all say, the government

shall not infringe, the government may not do this. It's what the government could not do because we had rights given to us by our Creator. And I think if we got back to a little bit of that in America, we might get a bit more on path, which is why certainly all the all the Jesus freaks are like, President Trump is talking about God. He says God saved him to to save America. I mean, a president is a big deal when he does stuff like that. And you can see, just look at the people around us. Russell Brand, Tucker Carlson, Candace Owens. I mean, there's a lot of people who are now starting to see this and I know you love history that's why I bought that for you because when you see where it comes from a lot of things

start to be clear and that sculpture that was like I had no idea it was there. I'd never heard of it, it's not in any books, but it's kind of a template for where we came from and I think it's kind of a template for where we came from. And I think it's kind of important that we look at that as well as, you know, all the other things that we're looking at now with AI and social media, and we can't just be sitting around for four years going, yeah, Trump, yeah, Elon, stomp the libs. We've got to find some spirituality one way or the other.

It doesn't have to be God, I would like it to be, We've got to find some spirituality one way or the other. It doesn't have to be God. I would like it to be, but people got to find that. I think you're saying some wise things. I think that people need some sort of a moral and ethical structure to live their life through. Jordan Peterson always has this thing, whether or not if you believe in God, if you live like you believe in God, you will live a better life. And that is true. I believe it. I believe it, absolutely. And it's very simple things. Yeah, it's very simple things, you know, it's the Ten Commandments aren't that hard, you know, it's like that's your law. If you

believe the government, I mean, government is an extension of God if you believe that government, I mean, government is an extension of God if you believe that he instates governments. And I think that, I think that God gave us Joe Biden for four years. I really do. He said, y'all got to take a look. He has humor too, by the way. Like, you got, you should take a look. And there's a story, I think it's Daniel, about King Nebuchadnezzar, and King Nebuchadnezzar, he did not follow God's law, and so God turned him into a donkey, basically, and he was out grazing for seven years, eating grass. I'm like, that sounds a lot like President Biden,

that he just turned him into a grass-eating donkey who had nothing left, you know? So, this... Well, you have to see what happens when things go sideways to really understand it That's why people who grow up in poverty really can appreciate success a lot more than someone is a trust fund kid Right, of course You have to know what it's like when things go bad and our country just experienced Four years of being governed by people other than the elected leader. And it's pretty clear now. Yeah. And you know, the way Mike Johnson laid it out

that Biden didn't know what was in some of the executive. I didn't sign that. Yeah. Oh, that's crazy. Man, it's crazy. It's interesting because some of that like how much can you attribute it to faulty memory and how much of it is actually they passed things by his desk. I don't know. But at the end of the day we got to see that this was not a good direction. This is a terrible direction. I think that was like one of the biggest mistakes that Kamala Harris did was when she went on The View and they asked her what would you do differently and she said nothing. Yeah. Which is crazy. But also look at President Trump. I mean can you take a more wrong guy in the auspices and the

opinion of presidential and everything, and he learned a lot during his first term, I mean, this was a turnaround of epic proportion, epic proportion. What's the biggest political comeback in the history of the world? It'll be in the history books. This show will be a part of that, it's going to be incredibly important for us to look back on this because you know like it's it's often the misfits you know that's that's who we've got to love the most so when I see the blue-haired people I'm like right I really want to love them you know they probably wouldn't understand it but crazy chaotic energy if they just found something they loved and pushed it into that, they'd be better off.

But it's also, it's like what damaged them up into that point? What kind of a life did they live that left them in this place where they're 35 years old weeping in front of a city council meeting? Who are they and what went wrong? And this is the thing is we kind of encourage this victim mentality. We do. And we reward it. It has social credit to it. And you, you know, you get to be in a special class of people, and you get to say outrageous things. And people allow you to and that's not good for anybody. Just like you have kids, you know, it's like, it's not good for kids.

Like you got to tell them like, well, that's not real. You can't do that. That's not good for kids. Like you gotta tell them, like, well that's not real. You can't do that, that's not yours. Like there's things that you have to learn and if you reward victim mentality, then people look to become victims. And so that, like when that lady laid out all of her fucking physical ailments and all of her problems, as if that makes

any of the things she's saying make sense because she has all these problems. Like no, that's not, that makes any of the things she's saying makes sense because she has all these problems like no, that's not that's not how the world. You're right. It's been rewarded and it's been encouraged by political operations, mainly to get votes and to bring these people have a vote to you know, right? They can vote. So bring them in.

This is a part of the SIOP of USAIDsi-Op of just the government in general, these control structures that are essentially put in place to make sure that they remain in power. You know John Perkins? Yes. Have you ever had him on? No, I have not. Oh, man. Because he wrote about this.

You know. Economic hitman. Yeah, confession of economic hitman. Wow. I mean, basically USAID, that's what they do. But also State Department. So Marco Rubio seems like a good guy, I'm kind of liking him,

but they've got intelligence units inside there. There's all kinds of things that happen with State Department, so I hope that also gets uncovered. Well Mike Benz was explaining yesterday, I was like, this seems so intertwined, like how are you gonna, what can be done in four years? He goes, no, this is gonna take 50 years, more. He's like, this is gonna take forever to unwind.

He goes, you have to understand how deep these tentacles go. And he laid it out in four and a half hours yesterday. I probably talked for three minutes for the whole podcast. I'm not kidding. With Mike, he got it like, can I get the transcript of this show and go over it slowly? Because he goes fast, man.

He goes fast. Well, he's... the thing that will happen is viral clips of specific things that he highlights and says that are very significant are going to go out. Good, yeah. Those are already out. And I'm sure they're all over X right now as we're speaking. And I love that Doge is... I was skeptical know we heard this during the Reagan administration. Reagan wasn't going to do all this.

He was going to make government efficient and of course it didn't. When I hear that they're going to do the same thing to the military, amen man. Yeah. Well they have to be accountable to an audit. Yes. You can't. They haven't done one ever. Well the Pentagon's failed seven of them.

And the thing is like fraud's real. We know it's real and we know people are pilfering. If you go unchecked for long enough, that becomes a part of the way people do business. Once that's established and it's been established for decades, then it's very difficult to stop because as soon as you start investigating it, people go to jail. They're going to try to stop you from investigating it. They're going to try to bury records records and it's gonna get wild as I'm sure Mike you told you and I can't wait to see it it's not just fraud it's

it is the actual system instead of us being open and I think like Trump is doing like hey we're just gonna have tariffs on you NATO you don't like it boom we're not gonna protect you you know we're gonna be fair about this, you can't just be ripping us off. We've been doing all these subversive things with money that's just going to NGOs and nonprofits. I mean the whole Ukraine thing. He highlighted all of this. Did he play the Victoria Nuland recorded phone call? No he didn't. He showed the Biden thing where he said you know the prosecutor had to be fired or they wouldn't get the billion dollars in loans. Right, right. And son of a bitch. Well Victoria Newland in 2014, the

Russians I think they released it, they recorded a phone call and she's literally talking to the ambassador, okay we want to put this guy in the government, that guy in the government, this guy in Senate, Clitch leave him outside, he can be the mayor or whatever I mean that's that's not cool We have some stuff to repent for when all this comes out and we should pick ourselves up and move forward and just be Honest, I think we I think we can do it with a lot of honesty, too. I hope so But the problem is there's a lot of people that are gonna be in deep trouble

And they're gonna try to stop that from all this Accountability was Mike bullish or bearish on it. Well, he's you know, he's in the storm, you know It's like you know, no one knows exactly what's gonna happen. You're in the middle of the hurricane You're telling people what's going on and that's where he is right now. I mean I asked him. How do you sleep because I don't He needs prayers. Yeah prayers. I'm sure he needs that. We'll cover him. And I think his fight is very noble. And he's right.

He's right and he's accurate and the amount of information that guy's got in his head is astounding. And he's pulling it all off the top of his head while we're talking because he lives this constantly. He used to work at the State Department, uncovered the stuff's been chasing it down forever and it is a You know legitimate historian on this and thank you for giving him that platform He's and thank you for giving Trump a platform and all the things you've done But the people when they think of CIA and you know these types of agencies they always think you know

Dart guns and you know secret stuff, but no it's really subversive writing articles and my whole family kind of comes from military and intelligence background so I've heard you know what I learned this is crazy so my uncle was big in the CIA he was he was the national he was basically Tulsi Gabbard to Bush senior when he was VP. And then, you know, like Iran Contra happened and, you know, he basically became ambassador to Korea. He was exonerated, but he was moved out to a different post. My aunt passed away a couple of years back.

And when my cousin was doing her eulogy she said aunt Meg were actually outranked uncle Don in the CIA she ran the Russia desk spoke fluent Russian but had promised never to tell anybody not even her own kids I'm like what aunt Meg spoke fluent Russian and ran the Russia desk for the CIA and outranked Uncle Don like That's some crazy stuff Crazy and all those folks, you know, they remember Russia as the real real bad guys. I mean I went to This is my own USAID story. So in 1988, I think it was we had the Moscow Music Peace Festival Do you remember that?

No. And this was before the wall came down and it was, I was the only MTV person who went, we went on at 727 from Newark. It was Ozzy Osbourne, basically Black Sabbath. It was Bon Jovi, Motley Crue, Skid Row, we stopped in Germany to pick up the Scorpions. What was that flight like? Dude. Dude, dude, this, you'll love this.

Oh yeah, there you go. Wow. So the reason- He's filming things even back then. So the reason this happened was- Look at you. Yeah. Yeah, there you go. Tico Torres from Bon Jovi. I mean, so Doc McGee, who was the manager of Bon Jovi and Motley Crue, his... I'm paraphrasing the story, but I'm pretty sure it's correct. That was Ozzy. Oh, really? I just realized that was Ozzy and Sharon Ozbeth.

Oh, yeah. Like, who are those people? I was like, oh my God. Look at Sharon. Look at Sharon. I's like a kid and like a British housefrow, nice roly-poly. She's not the, no O face for her. So, O face? O Zempig. Yeah. So, look at Ozzy. So, Doc McGee's Learjet have been caught smuggling in like, you know, bales of marijuana into Florida and his get-out-of-jail-free card was he was supposed to organize an anti-drug and

alcohol concert in Moscow. Right, so this is where I'm pretty sure USAID came into it and the CIA. And so this was supposed to be a complete drug-free, alcohol-free, we're all gonna go there, we're gonna do a huge one-night concert, we're there for a week. On the plane, Ozzy is so drunk. He's so drunk. So we're in the back there and he's at the laboratory mid-plane and someone else is in there and he's like, Sheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee was a wild trip. Holy crap! Ozzy peed his pants. Ah, Sharon! So, this was a wild trip. And I got a briefing beforehand by some dudes in suits.

You know, this is 88, so I don't, you know, I wasn't really thinking USAID, CIA, and they're like, here's the deal, you're gonna be there. Do not talk to any women, don't go to any hookers, do not take any hookers to your room. They're all gonna be KGB, and youGB and you don't want any part of this and there's going to be our people are going to be watching you and just make sure. KGB hookers? KGB hookers. Wow.

We actually did go to the hooker boat which is pretty wild. It was a boat? Yeah, they had a prostitute boat. The ugliest hookers in the world is like nah, no one's going to... Pirates. We all kind of went to go check them out. We're in the hotel, they literally, this is Soviet Union still, they literally turned on

the heat in that part of the city, it was winter. And the mattresses were made of straw, and you had to bribe the lady for a phone call, you'd reserve it 24 hours in advance, you have to give her tuna fish and toilet paper rolls, it was wild. Middle of the night, I'm with Sebastian Bach from Skid Row. We're outside, we go to Red Square, we're drinking vodka on Red Square at 3 in the morning, walk back to the hotel.

There's the Moscow Hells Angels show up. And they're on like these Yugoslav motorcycles and they're popping wheelies and falling off and we're like, what's going on? Then this Russian official comes up with, they had the really big hats and he's like tap tap tap on the back of one of the merch trucks and all he wanted was t-shirts and so you know gave him a whole bunch of t-shirts everybody leaves crazy so we have this concert and the kids are go they went nuts of all the bands Bon Jovi, Motley Crew, Ozzy they all knew Ozzy. They were all singing phonetically.

Cry as it's high! They didn't know the words, you know, but the crazy train kind of came out of their mouth. And what was... Look at this! Yeah, it was insane. You can see all the... Can you give me some volume? There's some military in front, I think. There it is. Look at that. Fly high again!

Fans stood in harmony for 12 hours to watch and listen to the likes of Bon Jovi, Motley Crew and Skid Row who all agreed to play. Wow. So here's the kicker. The Scorpions had a number one hit, Winds of Change. The Winds of Change. The winds of change. You don't remember the song. And it was the only song they did not write.

And that song was the anthem when the wall came down, which happened literally, oh, here you go. The Sea, did the CIA write a power ballot to bring down the USSR? What? Is that real? I think so. I think so.

I don't remember that song. Can we play some of that song and cut it out, Jamie? Play it for us and cut it out. We'll cut this part out of the show, folks. Just go listen to Scorpions. What a shame, man. We could be Psy-Op-ing more Germans. 1990.

Wow. What a shame man, we could be Psy-Opping more Germans. Hahaha! Ahhh! 1990. Wow. Yeah. Yeah. Man, it was a good fucking song. Yeah. A CIA writes hits, baby.

That's crazy, the CIA wrote a banger. A huge banger. And here's the funniest part. So when the wall comes down, this is number one. Like it was 1990. And I think think I can't remember I think they might have been phonetically singing along with it in Lenin Stadium when we were there because it was it was a number one hit it was

everywhere this song. This is a year before the wall came down? This song was written after the concert like in response to the concert. Okay yeah okay there you know I told you I don't have it all right but but but the CIA wrote it. The CIA wrote it wrote it had probably had it in the archives Oh my the funniest thing was so huge in Europe at the time was Baywatch You know you know the whole war have you ever had Hasselhoff on? No, there's a funny guy this guy He's he was on fear factor. Oh I mean celebrity did you like him? I mean, I've met him a couple times

You know he had to go to the bathroom a lot at the time, but you know, whatever, MTV Beach House, like his manager would be like, David, I think you need to go to the bathroom to get some energy. Oh, yeah. Anyway, but so, you know, the story of Baywatch is phenomenal because he self-financed it, nobody wanted it in America, and it became this monstrous global hit everywhere except America in the beginning, and you know he became wildly successful, rich, and Germany is where it was number one, it was just for years number one Baywatch, and so Hasselhoff, or as they say,

der Hoff, hello Deutschland, here's the Hoff, everyone knew him. He was standing on top of the wall with a sledgehammer and he claims that he brought down the Berlin Wall. Was Baywatch a Psy-Op? Is that what you got? I don't know. Oh my God. Well, this is also part of the thing that Mike Benz got into with the music business that they do sort of finance these you know

disruptive kind of songs and political movements. Of course, of course. I mean yeah yeah that's a powerful tool. That's that the book about Laurel King. There he is, there he is. He's bringing down the wall. What is he singing? Oh, he was a pop star, right? He had these disco hits. He had these poppy hits, yeah. And freedom, baby. I did it. And he's got his glittering jacket on and everything.

Awesome. American icon, ladies and gentlemen. Not even glittery. That's an LED jacket. Like that jacket's got a battery. And of course, we loved him from Knight Rider. You know, he was a cool dude. We all wanted a kit watch, watch, you know, which we now have of course huge overseas, right?

That's it. That was it was because of Baywatch and he had a whole music career going on. Oh, yeah Oh man good times in the old days, bro. Good times We had so much fun back in the early days. That's so crazy that that song was written by the CIA. That Laurel Canyon thing is really interesting, because I really dismissed it at first. I was like, come on. Government didn't have nothing to do with the rock and roll movement, but it kind of seems like they did.

What is it, Strange Times in the Canyon? What is that book called again? Is that it? Yeah. Something Along Those Lines, it's a weird book man Yeah, I read the book and I was like what the fuck like how much of this is you know when in the 60s when the agents were? Infiltrating Europe it was it was all literature art music. They're bringing everything they could art Especially you know just and that was really at the time to make sure that- Weird scenes inside the canyon. To make sure that the Russians didn't take over Europe.

There's all these things that they were doing. Well, they also did it with the modern art movement. Absolutely. Like Jackson Pollock, a complete creation, which totally makes sense, because I was like, who's paying for this? Help me out. Yep.

No, don't you see the way the splatters are? No, I don't. That the way the splatters are like no that's why we're all questioning you Joe Rogan yeah what USAID connections do you have I think I skipped the system I think somehow or another they fucked up look at me my whole my whole family's intelligence and military I was a pirate radio guy in 1983 what they must have been like this guy's lost we can't we can't we can't use him he'll be no good I'm with the real cookie people probably think you're my handler or something because you created That's right

Yeah, there's that thought that like this is one of the things that comes up now all the time and then we talked about this On CNN we're saying that there's a whole Finance all right wing ecosystem that's created these podcasts. Where's my check? Well, this this is just stupidity This is the problem where when you look at some conspiracies, you think, oh, well, that applies to all things. Yeah. No, there's actually some things that are organic. Well, some weird reason. What I think we'll see, you know, the first thing after the election is we needed Joe Rogan on the left. We needed Joe Rogan. Well, you know, guys, you basically had a Joe Rogan on the left, but you were so crazy that Joe started to think right. They didn't want me that was the thing

They didn't want you but it's that's all the Psy op working against them because in the past They could take someone like me and demonize them and it would be effective and they could just remove you from the airwaves Right and then remove you as a problem because you're not playing by the rules But now people go Oh, you know what? I think he's the one who's actually telling the truth Let's stop listening to them And so then CNN crashes and then faith in mainstream media crashes and faith in podcasts rises I think what we'll see though is and it may come from YouTube

We'll probably see them try to hype someone up to become the Joe Rogan of the left Oh, they're already definitely doing that. Who do you think it is? I don't care. Who gives a fuck? Let them try. But the thing is, it's not going to work unless that person's authentic.

Without authenticity, it doesn't work. If you hear a person long enough, you know what the fuck they're really saying. You know whether or not. That's right. I'm wrong all the time. You might not agree with me. That's all great.

But I'm not going to lie. I'm you might not agree with me That's all great, but I'm not gonna lie and that's the difference and there's a lot of these people are just propagandists and they're also trying to Make an argument for something without looking at the other side which instantaneously I know now you're propagandizing Now you're not here. Now you're bullshitting me. I always try to look at the other side Everything I know you do as a human I think it's an important quality as a person who's like broadcasting to millions of people It's a very important quality But it's an important quality for human beings like know why you think about something like no Well, is this just a knee-jerk reaction or is this well thought out?

Is are you being objective or are you? Try are you captured by this ideology that you're a part of to the point where you're just Ignoring like this is the thing that I find fascinating about all this USA stuff Because there's so many people that are so against Donald Trump dismantling the organization That they're not looking at the craziness of all the propaganda that's being exposed They somehow or another are gaslighting themselves and all their followers to say that, no, this is aid. People are going to starve to death. There's food that's rotting. Meanwhile, I think, I'm pretty sure even when they passed this thing where they were trying to put a stop on USAID, they gave exemptions for food and medicine.

Yeah. And certain, yeah, at certain meetings. So you're hearing these bullshit stories of like food that's rotting now and people are gonna go starving, everyone's dying of AIDS. Well, you have figures who people see as authority because they have a million followers and likes and then they'll believe that.

And it typically doesn't work. I mean, it's like, do you remember? I think it works, but it works for less people. There's people that want to, they want to be lied to they want to believe the cult they want to drink the Kool-Aid they want to yeah and that is where they've dug their heels in and now this is where they stay. But when you see Rachel Maddow who has come back you know for the first hundred days she's doing a show every single day and she's blatantly lying I mean literally like factually clearly lying. A lot of people won't watch anything you know they've been

told Joe Rogan is part of the bro casting and you know the this right-wing conspiracy all funded by whatever to you know to propagandize and people are gonna go over there and they're gonna believe what she says and I mean I have family members who truly believe that President Trump will take away their social security. Like he's saying quite the opposite. And by the way, he can't take it away, only Congress can take it away. USAID created by executive order by President Kennedy can be shut by executive order by President Trump. That's just a fact. Also, what they're doing is they're highlighting, there's people that are supposedly 150 years

old that are getting Social Security. Awesome. I need some of that. There's some weird shit going on with Social Security. But you know what happened? I think this is what we're not being told, but I have a lot of sysadmin friends. From what I understand, the Doge team, four guys initially, they were in... So the Treasury is like our bank account, you know, it's just, it's one system and it sends payments through the Federal Reserve system and they, all they needed to do, January 21st at midnight, they were in there, they got all the payments. They've had that at Mar-a-Lago. They've

been, you know, because I've heard this, that they've been going through it like, hey, there's no reconciliation, there's just a payment with no no purchase order or no confirmation that the work was done I think at this point they're just sitting back going hi you know they can they can release more information whenever they want Department of Education is gonna be next you're gonna see a lot of Common Core craziness I mean remember that Common Core the Pentagon I hope they do the State Department too because there's a lot going on there. It's gonna be interesting to see what resistance...

Well the people who are squealing are the ones you want to pay attention to. Right, well that's the thing is that first of all, we were talking about this the other day with me and my friends are saying part of the problem is these people can't conspire right now because all their phones are tapped. Everybody that, for sure. Like if they're investigating you, if they're investigating these things, like the power that they have.

Is astronomical. It's crazy. The power that they have to look into people's emails, look into people's phones, find out what text messages they're sending, they can look into your signal. Pegasus, baby. Yeah, they look into everything.

So the idea that they're not doing that, if they're in the middle of some fucking multi-trillion dollar investigation into rampant fraud, so they know that this is going on. So they can't conspire. And then they also have to worry about people taking deals. So there's gonna be some people that squeal. Good point, yeah.

And so then you don't know who's your fucking enemy and who's your friend. And everywhere you talk, you go to have a lunch with someone he's wearing a fucking button camera. Yeah, you could be fucked and so they're not united right now Yeah, and this is why it's working and this is why they're able to release all this information and everybody's in this hot panic right now Yeah, so they're squeezing they're squeezing them because they they have it all and thank God for James O'Keefe to man He's done some interesting stuff over the certainly over the years people to... It's amazing how many guys will open up when they think they're on a date with a hot chick or a hot guy, whichever one that happens to be,

and like, oh yeah, man, I'm doing all this. Yeah, we don't care. We just hated Trump. And it's like, whoa. These people, they need to learn how to shut up. this, yeah we do, we don't care, we just hated Trump and you know, it's like, whoa, these people, they need to learn how to shut up. I think he just got another video that he released today. Oh yeah? There was another video today about people going around the Doge system to try to like still do the same work. Pro.

Well there wasn't, there was an issue with- Season of reveal, Joe. Yeah, wasn't there an issue with FEMA releasing... Is this true? Well, so FEMA paid $59 million for illegal entrance into our country for them to stay at the Roosevelt Hotel, which is double the room rate. Have you ever stayed at the Roosevelt Hotel in Manhattan? I did way back in the day.

And the Roosevelt Hotel, by the way, is owned by Pakistan. Yes, right It was a dump. It was everyone smoking weed in their rooms. I mean I was there maybe 10 years ago and 11 years ago I stayed at the Roosevelt Hotel. It was very cheap, you know right there on 42nd Street Yeah, so they were paying double the room rate, but this wasn't this isn't just in in in the United States This is what happened all over the world This is a gigantic scam for federal employees were fired Tuesday over payments to reimburse New York City for hotel costs for migrants Department of Homeland Security officials said the workers were accused of circumventing leadership to make the transactions

Which have been standard for years through a program that helps with costs to care for a surge in migration. However, officials did not give details on how the four had violated any policies. But they put a freeze on the payments. Oh, he said luxury hotels is kind of funny. Yeah, in quotes. So did they definitely do it?

So the foreign free, so I, wasn't Anderson Cooper disputing it? He was saying yesterday, yeah, he was talking to Sununo and he called him a dick, don't be a dick. Go to Chicago, all the hotels on the Miracle Mile are all migrant hotels because it was super good money. I mean, it's crazy. But that's everywhere in the world, that's the same in Europe.

A big hotel change, like you can't get a hotel room because they But that's everywhere in the world. That's the same in Europe. A big hotel change, like you can't get a hotel room because they've got migrants for double the price. Well, this is also something that the Biden administration lied about because they said the FEMA funds were not being used. That's what they were. I'm with President Trump that it's better, you know, when when Helene happened, what happened there was really beautiful because everything fell down. Even North Carolina's their own state government. No one really was doing anything and it was funny enough for the first time ever seen ham operators actually be successful. But you know the helicopter guys were all going out there.

Everybody was pitching in. People were driving from all different states to come in and help people I mean, I I don't have a helicopter anymore, but I literally called up the airfield. I said fill them up Here's my credit card fill that one filled just fill them up fill up until you know until this limit that I have Fill up the fill up these hell. I know what it costs you burn a lot of money in a helicopter This was this is how America works it really works well and we help each other out in all kinds of circumstances and we've become so reliant on the government so reliant that you know Uncle Sam is gonna come in and save us and it turns out they're not really efficient at it they're not really

good at it a lot of money gets stuck and flows to other places. We've got to come back to loving our neighbor and knowing your neighbor. How many people don't even know their neighbor anymore? This is critical. And I think you have this, you know, when Clinton was president, everything changed in America. All of a sudden, oh, that's not sexual relations. Oh, you can do that to me, baby. That's not actually sex. You know, all these kinds of things, that sets a tone.

It sets a cultural tone. And Trump is setting a cultural tone of, let's get this done. Let's stop getting ripped off by other people, by ourselves, and let's be successful together. And it's a short amount of time. So I hope that... But isn't it interesting that half the country doesn't see it that way? Less than half. Half the country sees it as a constitutional crisis. Well, that's just a term. It's not a constitutional...

I know, but it's interesting. That's what's being top FEMA official is fired over payments New York City migrants shelters Trump administration fired the Federal Emergency Management Agency's chief financial officer And three others after Elon Musk misleadingly claimed the agency had used disaster relief funds for migrant services Wait a minute. Is this New York Times? This is just gonna be back and forth back and forth forever misleading What is misleading about? forth forever. Misleading. What is misleading about it? So let's see here. New York City officials raced to clarify that the federal money had been properly allocated by FEMA under President Biden last year, adding that it was not a disaster relief grant and had not been spent on luxury hotels. Nonetheless, just two hours after Mr. Musk's post, FEMA's

acting director, Cameron Hamilton, announced the payments in question have all been suspended, even though most of the money had already been dispersed and that personnel will be held accountable But is this a recent payment and did they put a freeze on payments? Even if the payment had been properly allocated by Biden what I was reading is they just pulled the money out of bank accounts Who did? Says Trump administration Trump revokes 80 million million from New York City after threat. I'm seeing this on multiple websites, but I don't know. Can you go to the title there on daily news?

You just had it there. Trump revokes $80 million from New York City after threat to clawback FEMA cash used to care for migrants. But it's still money to care for migrants, and they still put a freeze on that money to care for migrants. But it's still money to care for migrants, and they still put a freeze on that money to care for migrants. That's your constitutional crisis. We're in a constitutional crisis because of what's happened to our country. But that seems like gaslighting to justify spending $80 million to pay for migrants, which they shouldn't have done.

No. But it's not just that. It's fly these people there, fly them into the country, let them into the country, and then pay for them with EBT cards, with debit cards. Well, a lot of that was the economics. I have a friend, former New York banker, and he said, we always win as long as our population is growing.

We will beat China long term because their population is declining. And he says, that's why the borders are open is because we need, you need, it's just like economics, you need more people and with more people your economy grows one way or the other. I think it's a multifaceted argument because I think that's... I'm just telling you what the what the bankers say. I think there's some truth to that but I think also they were trying to buy votes. That yeah, I mean all of that's a part of it. Well, you saw the thing in New York

where they were trying to let people who were illegals vote in regional elections. Yeah, well, that's your constitutional crisis, right? That is a constitutional crisis. Here's the thing that I hope, and I'm working to make this happen. So we have great podcasts, you know, your podcast. We can't, not everybody can be a Joe Rogan,

and we can't just all be looking at national news. What has happened at a local level is radio stations, you know, they all got bought up, they're all, you know, consolidated. No one has local programming anymore. There's almost no local newspapers, even local television stations, they're all going away. Now is the time to create a podcast for your town, your burgh, your city, your community. Wasn't Gavin Newsom doing that like right after the election? Didn't he start a podcast? Well I don't know about

Gavin Newsom. That's not... I think he did. I think that was their idea to try to combat the podcast like this. We don't need that. We need local voices. You know, all the advertising locally has been slurped up by by Facebook. You know, that's where you advertise. I've started. I've started a local local thing inicksburg, and people really love it. They love it. Oh, wait a minute, there's something going on in Fredericksburg? And all they have is Fredericksburg rants and raves on a Facebook page. Well, you imagine what a mess that thing is.

That is crazy. That's no good. Rants and rave now, that's no good. And so I started a thing called Godcaster.fm and It's it's tailored towards helping radio stations do this But I think churches are content factories and they're not just all talking about Jesus and God they're doing stuff in the community That's what that's what churches used to do, you know And they're doing stuff at the high schools and you got kids in there I want a thousand podcasts, you know, all over America, of local people.

And it's so easy to do now. It's become so possible. And I think that local communities will even sponsor it. That's the next level, that's my phase two, that's the next level we have to get to, is where people just get a microphone, talk to your city council person. This is nuts, all it is is is national news presented by heads on television.

And who needs that nonsense? You know, you're an exception and you're really important, but we need to have this at a local level. And it's never been a better, you want to start a podcast and be able to actually make a living out of it in your local community, I guarantee people will support it. I guarantee people will want to be a part of it and I hope that that

happens that's that's what I'm dedicating myself to now that's awesome getting these local hyper local podcasts that's a great idea yeah I think what you're saying is all of its hopeful right I'm very hopeful yeah of course which is great I mean because being cynical kind of sucks you know especially when this really is a very unique time of possibility. There's a lot a lot of things are happening right now Yeah, it's a perfect time and it also feels like even to the people that Didn't want what Donald Trump is doing the idea to keep going with what was happening before Where you had someone running for president that never went through the primary.

Constitutional crisis! That's real, right there. The soft coup against Biden. All that, that should disturb you that that didn't, well, it should be good that that didn't work, because that's not good for anybody, because if they can keep doing it that way, then you never have a primary again.

Well, primaries, of course, are up to the party. It's not necessarily a constitutional thing, but that should tell the Democrat people who vote Democrat and are part of I've never been a part of a party I'm not that interested. I vote for people But that should tell them something like yeah, there's something bad going on here. Yeah, there's some shenanigans going on They could have had a primer like what was it like in DC when you went for the inauguration? Was it just like show business? For ugly people there are a million people all over the place million people all over the place. It was it nuts nuts It was weird. We know I did a lot

Yeah, very weird because you go into I went to a lot of these things I went to a few of these things like these dinners stuff balls Yeah, and it's a lot of people that donated a lot of money And so that it's very transactional and everybody's hyper aggressive to get photographs and talk to people and they they Interject themselves into conversations interrupt stand right in front of people that you're talking to and yeah pictures I want to introduce themselves and it's it's very entitled and very transactional and But I think that's always been the nature of politics,

particularly with people. The reason why they were there is because they donated a substantial amount of money to the campaign. A million bucks a poppy, you're good to go. Yeah, which is nuts. Like how many, how did this many people have a million dollars to donate? This is crazy.

Amazing, isn't it? Amazing. A lot of people got a million bucks. It's like, it's all that USAID money. I don't know what it is. Well, there are a lot of successful people in the world who have that, who couldn't access that kind of cash, but wow.

But there's a lot of hope. It was a very positive, obviously, because the winners were all there, but it was a very optimistic vibe, which felt good. And even the speech, when he gave his inauguration speech, I mean, that was pretty fucking wild. I love the Black Pastor from Detroit. He was channeling MLK. He was just like going crazy. You were sitting maybe like five rows behind Hillary Clinton. Did you smell sulfur?

I smelled everything. I saw Bill. I made eye contact with Bill. Me and Bill stared at each other for a while. He's larger than life, even though he's kind of frail now. I mean, he still is. Well, it's just odd that they're in the room with you. Yeah. It's like, it's a different kind of a celebrity. I remember when I went to see the Rolling Stones and Koda,

I was blown away. I'm like, Mick Jagger's right there. That's actually him. And he's dancing a button, no lip, baby. And he's this big. His butt's that wide. That's actually him. And he's dancing a button. Oh, and he's this big. His butt's that that boy's stick. Yeah, but it's right. You know, he has two trailers that he brings with him that are just a gym. Oh, it doesn't surprise me.

Two of his trade works out every day. What is he like? Seventy eight. He's a thousand years old and he had open heart surgery and all. Recently. Yeah. Yeah. Recently had heart surgery. That's amazing guy Really truly is just fucking loves it man, and they put on a fucking hell of a show

But my point is like that's one of those things you're like I can't believe that's really him and that's what it's like when you're like looking over there. You're like, holy shit That's George W. Bush. Do you think it was the real Biden or the daddy long legs Biden? I think it was a real one Okay, I think cuz you've seen the daddy long legs Biden. I think it was a real one. Okay. I think because you've seen the daddy long legs guy, right? He wasn't too tall. Yeah. Yeah, it was like that one guy was nuts.

And he's jogging to the helicopter. I'm like, no, nuts. Like I want to know the story about that. Like is that there's any paperwork on who that guy actually was? I'd love that was not Joe Biden. That's a guy with a mask on the mask. Things are real. I can tell you that I can tell you this from family experience.

You can see them online. Oh, from family experience. Yes. Yeah. In 1967, let's just leave the family members out of it, but someone brought home a colleague from work and the colleague had dinner and had coffee and then at dessert the wife was sitting there been talking to this person and then this colleague took off his mask and it was someone who the wife knew extremely well and had no idea.

1967. So imagine what they can do now. The stuff that that CIA lady shows on the YouTube video, I think that's I think that's just old I mean, it's amazing 67 that stuff already existed and worked. How come they couldn't get somebody Biden's height? You know, that's Tina says that to us. You know, they just didn't care at that point Just like they needed someone who had his cadence Which I think is harder to do to to be kind of you know, like that stumbling bumbling which I think is harder to do to to be kind of you know, like that stumbling bumbling also like how many people do you Bring this to like you know, what is that guy doing now? He needs a broadcast

He's got no guys is a bottom. What what gig does he have that guy fishing? I hope not but it's possible Yeah, so there's no there's a lot of that going on I mean we've spotted throughout the years Hillary Clinton had I know she had a double There was actually women who noticed it like she's carrying her handbag on the other shoulder It's like no woman switches that up that never happens and you look at her like yeah She does look a little different, but it's also that isn't that a mind fuck though Can then you start looking at everybody like that's not the real one. Are you Joe Rogan? Yeah? though, because then you start looking at everybody like, that's not the real one. Are you Joe Rogan? Yeah. What happened? Who is it?

It's pretty crazy stuff. I hope some of that comes out too. It would be great to know these things. It would be great to stop lying. Yeah, basically. You should not have a fake. I mean, is there some sort of national security explanation that you could give for why you would have to have a fake president? Well, I mean, holy moly. Have you ever seen the Kevin Kline movie? Right. Yeah, I mean there it is. There's your, what's it? No, not Wag the Dog. Dave. Dave. Yeah, Dave. Exactly. Yeah. I mean sure. I mean this happens all the time these things. Bizarre. Yeah, who knows?

You know, but again season of happens all the time these things. Yeah, who knows, you know, but again season of reveal We're learning things. We won't learn everything but we will become a lot wiser. I'm I'm convinced of it and I'm excited I am 60 years old and super excited and very bullish on the future Particularly of the United States and I'm seeing the influence we're having in Europe I'm seeing it people like we don't want this. It's tougher for them. Like the UK, they don't really have a First Amendment like we do. So it's like you hurt someone's feelings on Facebook, you're going to jail. I mean so they got a lot of work to do. But you know I think Germany has a shot. You know I think the Netherlands has geared Wilders. France are really pushing

back hard on Le Pen and and right-wing people Victor Orban and Hungary I mean there's there's a there's at a certain point the people will just not take it anymore and it could get ugly over there but they people are people I mean we've had revolutions ourselves we've been pretty good at it yeah you know of course we got guns. You know, that was a smart move, founders.

Yeah, first and second amendment were both very important. The second amendment is there to protect the first as far as I'm concerned, you know, and I am bullish. I really am. I'm excited, Joe. I am too. Oh, good. All right. Good. Well, thank you, brother. It's always great to sit with you. Joe, I... Thanks for starting this whole thing.. Good. Well thank you brother. It's always great to sit with you. Joe, I- Thanks for starting this whole thing. No brother, thank you so much for what you do brother. Thank you Jamie.

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