The Joe Rogan Experience - #315 - Jimmy Smith

Episode Date: January 21, 2013

Jimmy Smith is a former American MMA fighter, and is currently a commentator for Bellator Fighting Championship.

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Settle. There's maybe, how many of us on the planet Earth, dudes who do what we do? We were saying five if you're generous. Yeah. Five or six if you're generous. If you're generous. Yeah, if you're generous. Yeah, there's like you, me.

Shavalo. Yeah, of course. Mauro. Pat Miletic. Yeah. There's a very small, I mean, Frank Shamrock. It's like how many guys? Stefan Bonner does it.

He does it well. Kenny does a good job. There's not that many people doing that. It's a strange gig, isn't it? It's weird and I'm sure you get the same thing, what I try and tell a lot of people. I had a lot of fighters with outstanding careers. We're seeing the retirement of the second generation of MMA. Not the founders in a hoist. The second generation is starting to break down and retire,

and I've had guys literally coming up to me going, how did you get this gig? Right. Because if you think about it, how the fuck did we get this job? In a sense, it's crazy, but there are very few that actually do it. Very few. Yeah, there's so few. For folks who don't know, Jimmy does the commentary for Bellator,

which is the second biggest promotion in the United States. They're on Spike TV now. They've actually taken the position that the UFC had and just had the first fight. So you've been around a long-ass time, man. You've been doing commentary for Bellator for how long now? Bellator 3, M1 for six years I've been doing this. I did bellator for how long now bellator three and one for three six years i've been doing this i did m1 before before bellator so i did three years of commentary nobody was listening to to get good at it yeah before i got on bellator it was cool that you had a little

bit of experience doing television stuff though but you were already loose enough like you're you're you're that's like a big thing for guys is like just figuring out how to loosen up so they can explain themselves it's it's a weird gig because the only one who's going to be able to do it is it's not going to be possible unless you don't unless you train you you're not going to you're not going to be able to see things you'll sound like a douche too yeah i don't i the only thing that really personally bugs me about commentary is when people question somebody and they haven't been there when it's when it's you know i got a lot of people questioning somebody's heart or they get hit they go down from a body

shot you want to hit in the liver you go down and and if you've trained if you sparred you know that yeah and people that don't and and i think are hard on fighters and question their heart or question their desire when they haven't been there and gone through that that bugs me yeah you know what but that does bug me that bugs me yeah you know what but that does bug me that bugs me a lot what else bugs me is people saying that they know who's gonna win that bugs me i mean i'll talk shit on occasion if like i see a matchup and i go oh there's no fucking way like this is this is a crazy matchup like when seth petruzzelli fought kimbo yeah i made a video of it i was in a green room in atlanta and we were about to watch the

fight and i thought it was Ken Shamrock And literally right before the fight I got off stage I'm like it's about to happen right now And they go Ken Shamrock's out I go he's out I go who's fighting And they go Seth Petruzzelli

I go oh no Seth's gonna kill him Like Seth Petruzzelli is legit The people in the know Knew how that fight was gonna go Yeah but the people That fucking The crazy people over at CBS Who said yes to that or whatever.

Was it CBS at the time? It was CBS at the time, I believe. Do you have anybody that knows MMA? That's a mismatch. That's a gross mismatch. So you and I know the disconnect between the people that put MMA on TV and the people that know MMA is huge. It can be. It can is huge. It can be. It can be.

It can be huge. Network people, the people that put MMA on TV don't always know MMA, and it crops up a lot. Well, it's a weird thing because you and I essentially, we sort of established positions in the sport doing commentary as it grew, and it became this thing that it is now. When we both started out, I mean, you go back to six years ago, it was not nearly as big as it grew and it became this thing that it is now while we know when we both started out i mean you go back to six years ago it was not nearly as big as it is now it's bananas how big

it is now and it sort of happened i guess it was really if you want to break it down it actually happened around eight years ago right ultimate fighter yeah that was eight was really the biggie eight years ago was it 2004 2005 whatever whatever it is that area in that area from there that started this but like the the level that it's at right now like the fame of a gsp or an anderson silver or john jones like that's they're right up there with basically any athlete in pro sports yeah the top level guys like they're talked about on a you know like in bars and the same way people talk about plays and games. They talk about GSP, landing a giant knee or something like that.

It's interesting how this has happened. And while it's happened, we essentially just had to figure our own way through it. And learning what's the best rules and seeing the rules change. When I first started, it was bare knuckle and you could wear shoes. That was UFC 12. That was the first UFC I ever did commentary on. I did post-fight interviews, rather. So to see it from there go to where it is now with flyweights and bantams and feathers and lightweights.

There's a lot of lightweight guys now. The first time I fought was at a thing called Neutral Grounds in San Pedro. I remember Neutral Grounds. Was that pancreation? It was kind of pancreas. It was kind of amateur, but not real. This was back in the day when it wasn't sanctioned in California.

They literally had everybody line up and I was next to this dude and they went, you guys seem to be fighting each other. We didn't weigh in, nothing. And we went in and we fought. That was how it worked back there. They used open hands, right? Right.

Because you weren't – To the face. Yeah. Close fist to the body. We had no gloves on, no nothing. This is how crazy MMA used to be, folks. It was really nuts. And there's a bunch of weird rules in MMA.

There's just total ignorance from just misconceptions. But one of them is that. One of them is the downward elbow. The downward elbow is a crazy one. The reason why the 12 to 6 elbow is illegal, Big John McCarthy told me this, that when they were describing the martial arts techniques to the athletic commissions, one of the guys who worked for the athletic commission said, you can't have them do that thing with their elbows because I've seen that on TV and they can break boards by golly. What would it do to a person's skull?

Like this guy thought for some reason that this was in any way, shape or form as bad as Anderson Silva kneeing you in the head. It makes no sense at all. It makes no sense at all. It's legitimately ridiculous. Yeah. But it's a rule that's in place like strictly because of ignorance. And there was so many of those in the beginning. Nobody knew what the right thing to do was.

They were like, well, you can't have MMA. And they're like, okay, well, what if we wrestle and slap fight? Like, okay. That makes no sense at all, but we're going to go with it. That was what it was for a while. You would have pancreation fights. In pancreation fights, they would pull their hands back. Bas Rutten was the only dude who ever figured out how to deliver ridiculous hands.

He could knock out one of those, yeah. Because Bas has this crazy anatomy, first of all. He has these giant-ass long hands. And he figured out how to pull his hands way back. So that his fingers were almost facing towards him. So it's like a punch. He's punching you with his palm. You're not catching any of the fingers.

Nothing's absorbing. The idea, I guess, of a slap being easier is that your fingers are absorbing some of the impact and your hand is moving back, which takes away that. But Boss is hitting you with this. He's straight punching you with his palms. Do you remember the exchange when Frank Shamrock went for a leg lock on him and boss is just – and Frank's smiling at him and laughing at him. There's a problem with that. There is a problem with your rule system when that's happening. Yeah, that was ridiculous.

I mean, come on. Yeah. That was ridiculous. It was funny though. Frank Shamrock was funnier than that fight. It developed, and I say this all the time, MMA now. It developed from, for good or for bad, from a sport of martial artists to a sport of athletes.

Now it's a sport of athletes that don't necessarily, like, we were talking right before the podcast about Rory McDonald, what a badass he is. The guy started MMA at 14. He didn't grow up doing Kyokushin. He doesn't come from a martial artist background who said, oh, I'll turn this into MMA. These guys just study MMA. They approach it like you're saying, the NFL or like the NBA or any other big-time sport, and that's come with advantages and disadvantages.

Well, they're training like professional athletes right now, and there is a massive difference in your ability to move, your ability to withstand shots, the ability to keep your energy levels up. When you're training in the gym, and especially if you're doing just only kickboxing or only grappling, you can get in tremendous shape. But in this day and age, it seems like to beat a GSP, to beat the highest of highest levels competitors, you've got to be both. You've got to be both a martial artist who's very technical, and

you also have to put the fucking time in that you don't want to put into that strength and conditioning. You've got to do it. Nobody wants to. Nobody wants to. Nobody wants to do battle ropes. You don't want to fucking hurl ropes until your body feels like it's going to explode. But if you don't do it, there could be just that little less

juice that you don't have in the third. And it causes you to either get caught or it causes your opponent to get away from something. You caught him in something, but you can't squeeze it and he gets out of it. You're like, fuck. The only time that isn't wasted in training is cardio training. Let's say you spend all your time on boxing. All your time on boxing. The guy's better at boxing.

You fuck. You spent that time inappropriately. You have X number of hours in the gym. There's no negative to being in better shape than the other guy. Yeah. There's no negative. We were just talking about it. There's no negative to being in better shape than the other guy.

You can beat guys that are better than you if you can wear them out. Every time. That happens. It happens all the time. It's happened to me. I've had guys that I usually tap like crazy. Then I'll go in the gym and I'll be out of shape and I'll get dominated. I'll get mounted.

I'm like, motherfucker. It's like i'm not in shape for it and if you're not in shape that's just it's a fact you're not going to be able to defend you're not going to be able to execute to your your fullest of abilities the hardest part is i'm on the road 12 weeks in a row because i have 12 weeks season so i'm literally gone i fly out tomorrow i don't get back to friday morning so i'm really home on the weekends that's it do you train when you're when you're on the road when i that's the problem is you know i'm working out pitbull brothers in the elevator they turn to their translator and go people wants to know if you want to roll with him all right sure go to my gym i go to my room i change up i go and i train with people brother for two hours i'm not in that kind of shape man that guy has a fight

the next day right he's peaking he's like daniel gracie was like hey jimmy youmy wanna roll with me and i'm like all right you know but you're not in that kind of shape right you know you're in there training with animals when i go home four days to come home i just don't have the time you know back when i was fighting i was six day a week guy and and that's where these guys are yeah and it's like i'm fighting with guys you know world champs and i'm like people people kind of don't understand like the level of conditioning that's required to compete in MMA. It's so taken for granted. Unfortunately, it's like the aspect of the sport that has to do with what kind of shape you're in is so gigantic. And there's levels.

And some guys, like a Frankie Edgar, they never let the cardio drop off. And every time you see them, you can tell they've been pushing it. They've been pushing it and you build a base. You get like a Nick Diaz type base. Like Nick Diaz has such a strong cardio base because he's constantly swimming, constantly biking, constantly running. His cardio is sensational and you can't keep up. You can't. He will drown you. If you get in a fight like that with nick diaz like one of those like who can keep up this pace fight he's gonna go 60 on you maybe 70 and then you're gonna you're not gonna be able to keep up you know you're gonna try to

mix it in with 100 but his chin's made out of iron he's a volume puncher yeah yeah just it'll just there's a box to up paul william. Paul Williams for the boxing fans out there. He was a great boxer. He recently got paralyzed in an accident. But he'd throw 150 punches around. Yeah. Just 100. It's just – that's Nick Diaz.

He just throws so many punches. So hard to fuck with. The guy just won't go away. So hard to fuck with. Just will not go away. And his chin is iron. It allows him – he's very relaxed. So he rolls with shit good.

He's never committing to a punch. You never catch him committing on you. Right. You never get that big counterpunch because he's – Right. He's never committing to a punch. You never catch him committing on you. Right, right, right. You never get that big counterpunch because he's slapping you. That's such an important point. He's not committing so you can't catch him with the counter shot. There's a dude named Michael Jai White who's a very smart dude and a great martial artist as well.

A lot of people don't know. You see him in movies. You think he's not like a real martial artist. No, he's totally legit. He's the one the Joker cut a new mouth in. Yeah. He played Tyson in the Tyson documentary. But my point is he was explaining like dude is a lifelong martial artist.

And he was explaining to Kimbo. Him and Kimbo were talking about throwing jabs and throwing punches from just a relaxed position. And that when someone does that you don't even see it coming it just it just lands and they were like going over this like something that's something that a lot of people don't realize when you like tense up and you like telegraph you're gonna your chances of hitting the guy are significantly lower than if you just hit him you just hit him like that and a guy like nick Diaz is not straining. It's not full blast. It's mechanical. It's like tap, tap, pap, pap, pap, pap.

It's mechanical, and you're starting to see stars, and then you'll step back and like, I'm going to blast this dude to get him off me. No, you're not. No, you're not. No. You're going to try to, but then you're going to wear yourself out with that big explosion that you can't keep up with, and he's going to keep 60%ing you. Pap, pap, pap, pap.

What people don't understand is there are X amount of training sessions you can go through in your career. There are X amount of hours you can train. There are X amount of punches you can throw. How you spend that energy defines how you are as a fighter. Nick Diaz is not a knockout puncher, never been a knockout puncher. He throws so many that you're eventually done. He'll wear you the fuck down.

He dropped Robbie Lawler. He dropped Robbie Lawler. He dropped Robbie Lawler with a jab. Catches you on the chin. It was like a sort of a fadeaway hook. It was a fadeaway jab that Robbie Lawler stepped right into because of that frustration. That's what he does to you. He unloads until you're just like, you get frustrated. You do something stupid, and that's when he takes you out.

That fight, too, was one of the classic shit-talking fights. Oh, that was awesome. Because that was one of the first times I've ever seen Nick. He got into the octagon, and as he got into the octagon, he looks over at Robbie Lawler. He's got his arms out. shit-talking fights. Oh, that was awesome. Because that was one of the first times I've ever seen Nick. He got into the Octagon, and as he got into the Octagon, he looks over at Robbie Law and he's got his arms out. He goes, Stockton, motherfucker! And he starts pacing back and forth.

And you can see Robbie Law is like, what is going on here? Like Nick Diaz claiming the 209 and walking out with his arms out. And then he proceeded to just talk mad shit through the whole fight. And you could tell Robbie Lara was like, what? You know what's funny? Sherdok called me to break down the Diaz-Ben Henderson fight. His brother Nate, similar fighting style, of course. And he said, what do you think of all that Nate Diaz come get me? You know, all the mugging and throwing the hands up and the shit talking.

Their footwork isn't great. And what it did is he brings you into that zone with the mugging and the come on in. And the thing is that when you saw that same problem with Nick against Carlos Condit, if you don't engage him, his footwork isn't great. He's a little flat-footed when he throws his punches. And a lot of that mugging and come on, come get me is come into my range. Come into my kind of fight. You know what I mean?

And it's very calculated. What did Robbie do? He stepped in, really a jab hook, not a super hard punch, but stepped right to it, boom, and went face down on the mat. That's part of his strategy. Interesting about the Carlos Condit fight is like Carlos Condit fought very similar to the way he throws his techniques but he just did it moving away and picked his own spots picked his own spots and moved away but like like when he landed that head kick you could tell just by the way he landed that that is not a full blast head kick he's just throwing it up there quick to land it just because he can if he does it that way he really took a page like out of nick's book in

that sense i totally think he did yeah i totally think he did i think a lot of guys i mean you think you have to to deal with that style because the fucking guy doesn't get tired he doesn't get tired he takes a tremendous shot that's a bad combination you know like the kj noon's was able to cut him that was you know he's successful in that way but you know but then nick outboxed him in the rematch you know uh the only one to really outbox him joe riggs diesel riggs outboxed him in the rematch. The only one to really outbox him, Joe Riggs, Diesel Riggs, outboxed him was Landon a little bit harder. I think Landon with a little more force. Remember, he won a decision against Nick in the UFC.

What about Jeremy Jackson, the earliest days of his career? Jeremy Jackson, way back in the day. Jeremy Jackson is a wasted talent, man. Jeremy Jackson was a real wasted talent. Unfortunately, that kid had whatever issues. He got kicked off of The Ultimate Fighter, I believe. Left the set. And he's got some really big legal problems now.

He's in prison. It doesn't get a lot bigger than doing life. I don't know what he did. I don't know what the crime was, what he was accused of, and whether or not he actually did it. Physically, that dude, he was, I think, to to this day is the only guy to stop Nick Diaz. Besides the KJ Noon cut, which is just the doctor saying the cut's too bad. It wasn't like that he was in danger. It was just he couldn't see.

Blood was pouring into his eyes. And it just looks really grisly. But Jeremy Jackson stopped him, like, legitimately. And Nick was really young at the time. It was, you know, I think he was only 18. Yeah, it was a right hand over the jab. He had that low jab. Yeah.

And he hadn't quite learned to keep that hand up and use – and volume punch guys. He was coming in and ate a right hand over the top and just stunned him, and that was it. He had some hands, man. He did. He had some hands where there wasn't that much in the UFC in terms of, like – he was like – he had, like, Jen's Pulver-type knockout power. Yeah. It was sad to see that guy. It's like he came along in MMA just a little too early.

And to have the endurance to get from the Nick Diaz 18-year-old stage where MMA was then to get to be like a pro today, a few guys made it. Nobody. A few guys. Josh Barn Nobody. A few guys. Josh Barnett. Josh Barnett. Yeah. Josh is a rare, rare example of a guy who's been in the game a long fucking time

and still competes at the top level. The thing that, you know, Rob Lovlin, another one, 19 to 29. Yeah, that's a long time. You have to be open to the kind of changes that destroy athletes. You have to be open to it. I mean, MMA in the past six years has gone from three to ten as far as the talent level and the competitiveness of it. And to stay in the mix even, to stay in the discussion that long is unbelievable. And you have to make the kind of cardio commitments and training commitments that a lot of people with that, I would say in the beginning, martial arts mentality

of this is the way I do things, didn't make it. They didn't make that transition. And a few great athletes did. That's why they're still around. Yeah, it's a weird time to see those guys that didn't quite come along at the right time. You only have a certain amount of time

that you can go balls out in MMA. It varies depending upon your style and varies depending upon grappling, I think, a lot of it. It really saves a lot of guys like Randy. Randy was able to continue his career way longer than he probably would have if he was a pure striker. It's the fact that he was able, even though he took some big shots in some of the fights, he was able to close the distance a lot of the time. And he was able to control guys up against the cage a lot of the time.

And that minimized, like, a lot of damage that he could have taken. It allowed him to extend his career with, you know, just with intelligence. Look at this physical gifts that go first. Yeah. Speed, timing, ability to gauge the shot. Roy Jones Jr. went off a damn cliff. Yeah, it's crazy. Because once you lose that, it doesn't come back.

Well, I think with Roy Jones Jr., you also have to consider neurological damage. Severely, severely. And I hate saying that, but if you want to be a realist, you have to look at the Glenn Johnson fight where he was completely out cold and the fact that it was shortly after the Tarver fight. Yeah, cleaned. You know what ruined him, man? When he went down in weight.

Cutting weight from the Ruiz fight back to light heavyweight. A lot of folks don't know he won the heavyweight title. He fought John Ruiz and boxed his fucking face off. It was beautiful. It was a beautiful fight.

I mean, you're talking about a guy who won his first title at 168 and all of a sudden he's fighting as a heavyweight and fighting great. And there's also, you've got to question what the fuck he took to get to be a heavyweight. And when you get off that shit, the reality is it stuns your body. Your testicles stop producing testosterone and his body looked way smoother in the Tarver fight than we had ever seen him before.

He looked like depleted. He didn't look good. And he was really weak from that weight cut. The great thing about sports, MMA, any sport, is that you see people that are doing things that seem beyond the physical limits. That's what sports is all about. Your body will pay you back.

You cannot keep pushing that envelope. And the fighters that do, that we see pushing the envelope. The fighters that do, we see pushing the envelope all the time. There's a price to pay. Your body will come back at you. That's just a human fact of life. As commentators, we see so many fighters in so many various stages of their careers.

We kind of see the long term in a way a lot of other people don't. Once somebody gets off a fan's radar, they're still on our radar. They have to be. That's our job. Yeah, like Pedro Hizzo, for example. Pedro Hizzo, perfect example. We saw him from knocking out Josh Barnett, which, by the way,

new MMA fans who haven't seen that fight, get it on YouTube, watch that fight when he knocked out Josh Barnett. Amazing first time. Everybody knows I get a boner. To the end of his career. Everybody knows I get a boner for leg kicks. The king. knows i get to the end of his career everybody knows i get a boner for leg kicks but that guy i've never been like i've never felt pain through another guy feeling pain the way you do when pedro

his old leg kick somebody because your whole body like tightens up like you hear that thud you go oh my god he kicks so fucking hard the hardest leg kicks i've ever seen in MMA. Randy Couture, he had him limping. Randy Couture was in rehab for six months. For six months, he had to rehabilitate his leg. He rehabbed leg kick injuries for six fucking months. That's how hard Pedro Hizzo fucks your legs up. Great fight. And he creates these weird welts.

For the rest of your life, you're going to have these weird vein welts where your veins... You ever seen... Randy has those. Oh, yeah. Yeah. And Kevin Randleman has those. He has. A lot of Muay Thai guys get those, too.

Those weird... That's from just severe punishment. Over and over again to your leg, you develop these weird, funky veins. I think the wall of the veins start giving out from getting hit over and over. Oh, Jesus. I used to train a place called North Hollywood Muay Thai, which was where Malapet and guys like that would train. It was this old Thai gym with all these Thai guys there.

It was amazing training. Yeah, all the trainers would walk around like that. And their shins were like steel. They were literally like iron. They don't feel their shins anymore because you hit the skin so much that it becomes like a knuckle. It's weird. Those guys have been doing it their whole life.

They literally don't feel shit. Regularly, people will kick ropes that they wrap around like a pole. They just thud their leg into the rope over and over again just to deaden it. So that becomes like a weapon, and that shit is slamming into the meat of your fucking thigh. The thing is, and I tell martial people into you know various combat sports i go mma is like i call it the dark side of of martial arts or combat sports quicker easier more seductive those guys have more in thailand 200 fights yeah you have your first 100 fights for anybody knows who you are it's dead serious 100 100 200 fights okay sancho

i start king star, like 240 fights, 30 loss, wherever the hell it is. And people that don't understand the culture would never be able to wrap their head around the way they do it there. They fight at a very young age and they take on the last name of their gym. It's almost like a slavery sort of a situation. Like they own you.

Bokal had big problems with his gym. Yeah. I understood he, he recently left, right? Yeah. And is that the... Is Parpomet his name, or is it... I think it was his gym's name.

I think it was his gym's name, yeah. And Buakaw is his actual name. His actual name. If I'm not mistaken. Yeah, they take on the... And it's a weird thing, but those guys, they take the first round off, essentially. First and fifth. And the fifth as well. First and fifth, yeah. If you go oh they take the first round off essentially first and fifth and

the fifth first and fifth yeah if you go to thailand the first round i saw a great fight it wasn't great it was fun uh in thailand a turkish dude was fighting a thai guy and it was like 160 which is like heavyweight in thailand and the first round the thai guy's just feeling him out not really throwing anything and the turkish guy's going this guy's scared or something he thought he was scared and kind of went after him. The Thai guy is just defending, whatever, and he thought he was kicking ass. Second round, the Thai guy opened up on him, crushed his leg. They stopped the fight. Second round.

They take the first round off. They take the first round off. They fight rounds two, three, and four. And then the fifth round, they take off because they know who won already. And I was asking my instructor, I go, why are they just walking around? They go, well, they already know who won and they fight next week. He goes, he fights next week. So it's like, okay, you win.

Wow. It was weird. As an American, our mentality is last round, fuck it, I'm behind you, go crazy. Yeah. They don't really do that. They fight rounds two, three, and four, and then fifth round they take off because he already won. I got to fight in 10 days. When your career is 250 fights, one loss doesn't mean a whole lot.

It's so fascinating that literally one style figured out how, like, what is the most effective? What is the most economic use of your physical tools when it comes to striking? This one group of people in this one small chain of islands. I mean, how many, it was Thailand's a couple islands, right? Yeah, yeah. If you consider Phuket Island as part of it, yeah. These motherfuckers figured out how to do it. Kick the shit out of your legs.

Elbow you in the face, flying knees. And it's like, man, if you don't know that stuff, all the other stuff becomes invalid when it comes to stand-up. You need all the other stuff, but if you don't understand those leg kicks, if you don't know how to check them, especially if you get a Pedro Hizzo-type dude hitting you, there's guys that can hit you over and over again in the legs, and you can take and you can have you know they can hit you like 20 times and you'll still be moving around at the end of the fight yeah but then this pedro hiso who is a couple of those you hear that you hear that meat cutting shin just dig into the dude's thigh and you see the

look in his eyes and you go oh lord you ain't got so many of those, dude. The misery of fighting a guy like that, which I had to do in Thailand a couple times, is it doesn't knock you out. Please knock me out. I can go down on a fight. So you're standing there, and you either quit or you keep going. That's it. That's your choice. When a guy kicks you like that is I can either quit because this sucks or I can keep going. It's not like a knockout where you're like, bang, you're on the canvas and it's over. Have you ever been stopped from leg kicks? Never. Never. It sucks. Or I can keep going. It's not like a knockout where you're like, bang, you're on the canvas and it's over.

Have you ever been stopped from leg kicks? Never. Never. It sucks. I mean, I've had trouble walking the next day, but I never quit because of it. Some dudes could hit you so fucking hard. Oh, God, it's horrible. It's horrible.

And it's such an easy, it's like an economic movement. The movement of the Thai leg kick, it's not something that requires a great amount of strength, like a wheel kick or a spinning back kick. It doesn't require a lot of dexterity. It's natural for the average human being. That's one of the cool things about it. It's like if you understand the technique involved in Muay Thai, Muay Thai is surprisingly technical.

Yeah. And you can see a lot of guys who are not athletic specimens, but they excel at it because their technique is so good. They know what to do when this so good they know what to do when this happens they know what to do with that happens they've gone through it so many times in the gym they throw that left hook if your right leg's there that right leg kicks common and then the jabs falling behind it and these combinations these classic combinations they start to get through so even like a guy who's more athletic can't fuck with a guy who's

more technical in muay thai more so i think even than boxing because i think boxing when you shut it down to just two things left hand right hand and all the combinations you could it's that man a super athletic guy like a roy jones jr is always going to beat a slow cumbersome guy yeah the thing about a tie kick and i've been hit with every kind of kick uh doing fight quests and stuff like that. It's not hard to see. There are only really three targets. They hit your leg, they hit your ribs, or they hit your head.

But it doesn't matter. If you get something there, all right, I see him hit for my ribs, and you block it, they don't care. They'll throw one at your elbow. I saw Andy Sauer fight Yeltsin Clyde Fairtex. You know anything about Muay Thai? It's an amazing matchup. By the end, Andy Sauer's arm was like bright purple and all swollen because he kept blocking me.

I was like, okay, keep blocking it. They'll throw it at your elbow. They'll throw it at your shin. They don't care. When you have a guy who hits really hard and you hold the pads for him, how much it fucking hurts. It sucks. That shit hurts. Imagine hitting the outside meaty soft part of your arm with no pads.

A guy like Peter Aerts, how many of those are you going to take? Are you going to take three? Are you going to take four? And then you're going to want to cry for a month. Your whole body is going to be all fucked up. You just can't take those. It's not a sport where you can say, I'm going to train really hard and be okay tomorrow. No.

You don't. You just have to – I've done it in Holland. I've done it in Thailand. It was like it sucked. You just have to know that this is what I'm going to go through. Jerome LeBanner, one of the greatest of all time. Never won a K-1 championship, but he was on his way.

And Ernesto, who's... LeBanner was winning the fight, and Ernesto, who's kept kicking his fucking arm. Just kicked him in the arm until his arm broke. And then you see LeBanner go down and try to get back up, and then Hoos kicked him right in the same fucking spot again. Like, bitch, sorry, slam. Same, right into that broken arm.

He lost a fight from broken arm. I mean, at the highest level of the game. So you have to always be worried about taking those shots from a power kicker. In terms of MMA, the mentality is you can go through a wrestling tournament and probably be okay at the end. If someone said, if they went, hey, Joe Rogan and Jimmy Smith, you guys are going to grapple each other for an hour. We could do it. Yeah, we could do it.

We could do it. It's fine. Whether I'm in shape or not. We're not in shape. We'll do it anyway. Yeah, you can take breaks. You'll survive. Muay Thai for an hour?

No. Yeah. Is hell. And it's that mentality of you have to learn to get through that kind of shit to be a good mixed martial artist. And a lot of guys can't do it. And that's the stopping point for a lot of guys. And the elbows are just starting to make their way over. The really good elbow specialists are just starting.

Like Anderson has always been a master. Yeah. Especially in the clinch. He's a master at the dirty boxing elbow. Like he'll pull you aside with one hand. Anderson is so surprisingly physically strong. And we saw that in like the Rich Franklin fight. Rich Franklin's a fucking stud, you know. And then. Anderson is so surprisingly physically strong. We saw that in the Rich Franklin fight. Rich Franklin's a fucking stud.

And then Anderson got that plumb on him. It just started manipulating his neck and driving those knees in. You're like, he's fucking strong. And the technique is perfect. His positioning of you is perfect every time. He knows what he's doing. And he would land a lot of Muay Thai techniques. But as far as like the high

end athletes you know they all i'm sure capable of throwing it but who's been like super successful with standing elbows there's only like a few guys david loazo was good back in the day yeah especially on the ground for that yeah he would slice it apart yeah yeah he because he would let them fly he would have like these fucking like really wide elbows when he would come in. I mean, he was throwing torque into that. He did a lot of spinning techniques too. That famous knockout of Charles McCarthy with the spinning back kick. He was one of the first.

Loaizo was one of the first guys to drop a guy with a spinning back kick. That's way before Dennis Sievert. He's become sort of the specialist for it now. It's interesting to have seen that, man, to have seen this sort of interesting progression of techniques. The fact that front kicks to the face have just started knocking people out in, what was it, 2011 that he knocked Vitor out? How did he make it to 2011? It's such a good technique to learn. The pendulum swings around in MMA.

It always has. And a lot of those, if you want to say it, traditional martial arts techniques we didn't see for a while are starting to make a comeback in MMA partly because of Anderson Silva and stuff like that. Yeah. I mean he's making them – he's listening to how it can be effective in small doses. Yeah. Have it in your back pocket for when you need it. It's real effective. Well, the whole key is they only work if you have all the other stuff

Yeah The problem is most of the Taekwondo guys They don't have all the other stuff They don't know what leg kicks are They're not used to them They don't know how to sprawl They don't know how to grapple So those techniques are never going to work

You're not going to get them off Because the guy's going to grab you and he's going to take you down But if you know all the other shit You know how to sprawl. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. I wrestled in college. Oh, okay. Do you know submission defense?

Yeah, I'm a black belt in jiu-jitsu. Oh, okay. And then you go, okay, well, how long have you been doing Taekwondo? Well, I started when I was a little kid. I was like five years old. And you talk about a guy who fought a karate style and then learned jiu-jitsu. Those guys are going to have this weird advantage because they have this dexterity that the average person just doesn't possess.

A guy like Lyoto Machida can kick you in the face in a way that the average person just can't do. It's because he's been doing karate his whole life. Anderson, too. He had a taekwondo background first and then learned Muay Thai. That was shoot-a-box. Yeah, so he has this dexterity with his body.

He can do shit. Comfortable from both stances, which is a taekwondo thing. Yeah, because if you're going to allocate, like what you were saying before about allocating time to training, you're probably not going to put a lot of time on the wheel kick. If you're about to have an MMA fight, you have to learn that shit sort of as a child or as a straight taekwondo or karate competitor first. Because the only way to really pull that off is if a guy's not kicking your leg or if a guy you know is not going to shoot in and take you down like for you to get

good at that when you're a white belt you're going to try and it's going to be way easier for people to take you down yeah you know it's like it's way easier for them to take you down it is for you to land this outlandish move where you're twisting your body around like a fucking ballerina and they're going to drop it you're going to that's going to you're going to throw it away but if you start out in taekwondo and develop those techniques when that's what everybody's doing then you have them and then you can learn the other things as well it's kind of it's kind of uh ironic that that's like a big sport for little kids like taekwondo but i think it's a good one it is a good one for it is i think so you know it's like mma is basically a scaled down version of these different styles.

Like wrestling, you see a million different throws, outside ankle picks and all that stuff that you just don't see in MMA because they're not in that kind of range. But they have those things. And occasionally with a good guy, you see it. Yeah. Well, it's always fascinating to me when a really good wrestler gets in there and you see guys who generally exhibit fairly decent takedown defense just get fucked up over and over again. Like Junior versus Kane in the rematch.

Right. It was a perfect example. So Junior's takedown defense was the best in the business. He had been on his back for 13 seconds in his entire fucking UFC career, and he was the heavyweight champion. I mean, that's some ridiculous takedown defense. He got tossed around like a kid. Yeah.

But then people say, well, who did he fight that was a really good wrestler and you stop and you think about it you go shane shane carwin oh look at this wrestling thing this kid gets down and the fucking lights land on him i hope he's okay man that is just awful yeah that's crazy i mean you're in par terra positions you're like thinking about what you're going to do and then bang, boom. That sucks. How heavy is that light, too? That fucking had to really hurt. All right, don't play it over and over again.

No, it's Madison Square Garden epic fail on YouTube. Wow. Everybody look at that because it's horrible. Yeah, that's fucked up. But I think – Yeah, stylistically, who would he take on that had that kind of takedown? Nobody. Shane, but Shane, I know for a fact, came into that fight injured.

Shane had been having a lot of back and neck problems, and he came into that fight after he had gotten off of surgery. I think he had some sort of crazy spine surgery or something like that. I don't remember exactly what it was. But I know he didn't have much time to train, and I know he didn't have much time to do any sparring. but I know he didn't have much time to train. I know he didn't have much time to do any sparring.

He's been dealing with some football injuries from way back when, and it's hard for that dude to get through a solid camp without getting hurt. But if you go back to when I think his best performance was Frank Mir. That was the scariest Shane Carlin performance. He just murdered Frank Mir. He got a hold of him and just mugged him. He had Brock. Yeah.

Had him. He had him, yeah. Ran out of gas. Yeah, well, he fucked up. He didn't breathe. He was like throwing punches and not breathing, and then he just had nothing left. It's too bad because if he had just learned how to relax and pick his shots, he might have been able to stop him in the first round first of all,

and he definitely wouldn't have gassed out like he did. I don't know. A lot of it is adrenaline, too. You're fighting for the title, and you just get this mad adrenaline dump, and then you realize the guy's still there, and you're like, Jesus Christ, I might actually have to go through three more fucking rounds, four more rounds of this. Everybody listen, man. I'm serious. If you are

an aspiring fighter, if I have one piece of advice to give you, based on what Joe is saying right now, never, ever set a pace you can't keep. Ever. Don't throw... If you have X number of punches in a round or you have X number of punches in a fight, if it's 300,

don't throw 300 punches in the first round. I see guys do this all the time. They set a pace and you go, look, you can't keep this up. You're hoping the other guy wilts. You're hoping the other guy wilts, which is never a solid bet.

Ever. It's not intelligent. It's not an intelligent way to approach it. It can be successful occasionally. For a guy like Vanderlei Silva, it could be successful for fucking ever. It was successful because he was so murderous in his approach that he just freaked people out, and then he would stomp them and destroy them. And then people figured out, wait, I can throw a left hook in the middle of this and drop your ass, which happened. Crowcop really sort of exposed that.

The difference between a real high-level striker and a guy who's this wild, murderous brawler. Angled off and took it. But Vanderlei still is one of my favorites of all time. Forever. His fights were the most exciting. Nobody was fighting. If you were going to go see a Vanderlei-Silva fight,

that shit was an event. When Vanderlei fought Sakuraba, you're like, oh, Jesus. And you look at him across the corner and he's doing this shit with his collarbone. He broke his collarbone. Yeah. Dropped like three inches.

Yeah. My favorite one was that knockout, the fadeaway punch that he landed as he was stepping forward. And Sakuraba just flew backwards. Man, he. His first fight with Dan Henderson. Yeah. He put Dan through the floor for 15 damn minutes. It was a tough fight.

And his face was all up too he only had one eye he could not see at all out of his left eye if you wanted to look at swollen eye anderson or uh vanderlei silva maybe you know probably find a google image yeah off the first dan henderson fight it's one of the worst cuts and swollen eyes i've ever seen a guy keep fighting with yeah it was nasty you know dan had him hurt, too. Dan had him hurt bad. Took him down and then finally got up and continued the aggression. Well, Dan took that fight on short notice.

That was the thing about pride. I was training with Dan at that time. Were you really? Yeah, he used to come to Team Punishment. Were you at Team Quest? No, I was at Team Punishment down at Huntington Beach. And Dan, I don't know if he lived there at the time or lived near there. Him and Randy Couture came in there all the time.

And that was one of the fights that I I was training with him for Dan has always had that retarded power Just redonkulous And his strength You ever grappled with him? Oh yeah, yeah, yeah Shoot, I was grappling with a fire hydrant He's a wood man

He's made out of wood It's ridiculous It's ridiculous I only I grappled him once And I actually had a cold It sucked But he mauled me

He got me in a leg lock or something like that Maybe he got me in a head and arm choke or something like that yeah but he was uh he's like a dense dude like like yeah he's like dense like you hold on to him you're like the fuck is got that grappler's bill yeah you know yeah there's a lot of dudes out there that you don't realize how you look at them and they they develop this like freak grappler strength yeah you know from just years and years and years of throwing bodies around. What Dan has done that a lot of people don't is he's adapted that to striking. A lot of guys can't turn that into knockout power. In fact, it's hard because they're used to being such grapplers.

They can't get that snap in their punches. Dan has somehow translated that grappler body into a knockout punch, which a lot of guys can't do. Yeah, and typically it wasn't the Greco guys that would get really good at striking either, right? No, not typically. It was more the freestyle guys because the freestyle guys could shoot. And when you develop that sort of ability to explode in on a double leg, that same shit can come with a punch. Like Kevin Randleman is a perfect example.

He had the just unbelievably fast power double. And Kevin Randleman's prime perfect example. He had the just unbelievably fast power double. And Kevin Randleman's prime, he was a steamroller. He would just freight train your ass. And he could jump over your body. He was so ridiculously athletic. He could jump over your fucking body. And Randleman, when he would land a punch, he could land a punch the same way he could land that double. He would explode on you before you even know it was coming,

and he could crack you and tag you. And that's what he did to Crow Cop. He knocked out Crow Cop. That was like a crazy surprise. And, you know, it wasn't a surprise that he had won, you know, if he took him down and, you know, mauled him on the ground. Knocked him out. But the fact that he knocked him out, I think it was a left hook.

Left hook in the first round. Yep. Just ridiculous speed. And that coming from that, you know from that use of that wrestling background. But it's a weird thing to transition from a sport where you don't ever get hit to transitioning from a sport where you very might likely get knocked unconscious, at least in practice. It's very likely one day you're going to get unconscious.

Wrestlers, what they bring generally to MMA is they're incredibly hard workers. It's just, I wrestled in high school and it was just – it's incredibly difficult, the training. And they compete a lot. They compete a lot. A lot of tournaments. A wrestler in the NCAA is about like 40 matches in a year. They have mental strength too because of the fucking weight cutting. They're just used to competing.

They're used to cutting weight. They're used to – Used to being miserable and hungry. Used and hungry miserable and hungry and starving all the time so it's not a big deal the problem they have is they have to adjust to getting hit yeah and you know there are certain wrestlers that that that never make that successful mental leap there's also an issue with over training and that that's a real issue with wrestlers and you know it's like this whole willingness to push it farther than the next man, and the pain is just weakness leaving your body.

That's all well and good, but the reality is you should probably be paying attention to your heart rate. You should probably know, is it up five beats today from yesterday? Yeah, well, you're overtraining, dude. Why don't you piss in that cup? Oh, you're dehydrated. Look what's going on here, dude. You don't have minerals in your body. The wrestling mentality is like, shut up, pussy.

Get up, put on your fucking Converse All-Stars or run up hills. And get in there. Yeah, and get in there. And that's good and it's bad. It's good if you're super honest about what's going on, but bad if you're not and you don't pay attention to signs of overtraining. How old in wrestling, before MMA, when wrestling is just wrestling, how old did people wrestle? You didn't get out of your mid-20s, generally speaking. So you can have that mentality because you only did it until you're 25.

The problem is you take that to MMA where you could do it until your mid-30s, Randy Couture to 40. You can't maintain that. How about Bernard fucking Hopkins, man? Oh, my God. How do I explain that? Because you know what it is? You know what it i'm gonna tell you why i'm gonna tell you why the dude is tech i've never seen him get hurt right i've seen i don't know how many bernard hopkins fights since way back in the day his first fight with roy jones okay right the guy doesn't

get is technically so good that he hasn't gone through the things physically a lot of fighters have gone through he hasn't did chad dawson drop him of fighters have gone through. He hasn't. Did Chad Dawson drop him? I don't think Chad Dawson ever dropped him. I didn't see the fight. I don't think he ever dropped him unless I'm mistaken. I don't think Chad Dawson ever dropped him. Just outworked him. Outworked him.

I mean, it's easy to do when you're 45. Yeah. When it's at this. 48, dude. Yeah. He's 48. Yeah. He's fighting soon.

I think he's fighting in March. There's something I want to talk to you about. I want to ask you. Okay. As a commentator. Because we interview thousands of fighters. Thousands.

There's something I call the heart myth, which is in interviews, we ask a fighter, I've had fighters cry they wanted someone so badly. I want this so bad. They literally cry. They literally break down in front of us. They go in there, they take on a guy who's just better than they are and they lose yeah i was at rodrigo vagi jiu-jitsu down in missouri i was picking up a car and i just like hey

how did he go values here you know i was doing some jiu-jitsu with them and all these guys then they go what what you know what would you tell a guy getting ready for mma and i go be technically sound listen to your coaches and make sure you have all the tools to win. And they all kind of sat there. They were quiet for a second. And they went, I thought you'd give some speech about heart. And I go, I've seen guys with a heart without technique makes a beating more interesting. Because a guy's still getting up when he's getting tattooed. And I go, if you aren't technically sound, like Bernard Hopkins probably beat a lot of guys with more heart than he had.

Floyd Mayweather beats a lot of guys with more heart than he had Floyd Mayweather beats a lot of guys with more heart than they have because they are technically sound they're really sounding yeah heart's important you can't overstate the importance of heart but guys who go yeah I'm tough I got heart I go yeah that can make a beating a lot more you don't have the technique to go with it and Bernard Hopkins is a great example of that of a guy who's just technically really really sound and had a long, great career because of it. People think that somehow my heart is going to overcome a guy who put in more work and is more technical than I am. And it rarely works.

It works often enough that it's developed this myth of that you cannot work these guys. And if he's in shape and he has good technique, that is really, really hard to do. And it's something I notice over and over again in fighting. A guy can be motivated as shit if you didn't have the technique and you didn't put in the work and it's not going to help you yeah it'll happen every now and then if you catch a guy who's out of shape or a guy who's got a weakness in his game like a striking weakness in his game maybe maybe he's more technical and grappling and you have more heart you take it to him but a guy who's technically sound across the board you're absolutely right it can expose the other guy's lack of, you're absolutely right. It can expose the other guy's lack of preparedness.

That's what Hart does. It exposes the other guy's lack of preparedness because the first one, Shogun Forrest. The first Shogun Forrest. Shogun was not prepared for that fight. He just wasn't physically prepared. And what happened in the rematch? Shogun was prepared and blasted for it. So that's probably the biggest heart in the whole game.

You know what I mean? It's one of those things where I think a lot of people – and, you know, it's a great story. This guy with this big heart defeated this guy. And I said, hey, look, guys, be technically sound first before anything else. I think you're dealing with two different Forrests, too. Yeah, it's very true. There's a difference of several fights. Forrest fights.

Yeah, Forrest fights. Forrest fights. You know, Forrest is known for having the most exciting fights maybe in the UFC history. The most important exciting fight in the history of the UFC was Stephen Bonner, Forrest Griffin. The final is the ultimate fighter. For folks who haven't seen it, it's a real classic. I watched it again recently because I don't know what I was doing. But I have a bunch of them DVR'd and I watched that fight.

I was like, wow. At the time, it was so crazy. We knew it was going to be a good fight, but when they got in there, they just went off. It was just chaos. They were so evenly matched. They had trained together for so long. They knew what the fuck each other did, and they just went after each other for three glorious rounds. Made MMA.

Modern MMA. You can't do that forever. That's not the smartest way to fight. The smartest way to fight is to be technical and to choose your spots. And although I appreciate for sure from a point of view of a spectator, like a fan who loves to say chaos, I appreciate the fuck out of the fact that they did it. The Chris Liebens of the world are great to watch. Well, I'll pay to watch that guy anytime.

Anytime. Anytime. Yeah. Chris Lieben is in the world are great to watch I'll pay to watch that guy anytime Chris Lieben is always going to be but I think Chris is not the right example anymore because he's gotten a lot more technical over the years especially if you go back to the Aaron Simpson fight he fought very smart in that fight his last fight wasn't his best fight the Derek Brunson fight

he had at least a year off. And he had substance issues and a bunch of other shit going on. So I don't know. But Chris Lieben is always one of the most exciting guys. He's one of those guys that he might not ever be the champion. He might not ever be able to beat Anderson Silva. I will pay to see that guy fight any day of the week. Yeah. Any time. Whatever he forgets,

and we deal with a lot of people that don't understand the nature of the business. We're in the entertainment business. We are in the entertainment business. Fighters like Forrest Griffin and fighters like Chris Levin and Michael Chandler for us, the guys that go on there and just put it on the dude and are just a fireball

from beginning to end, that's what people tune in for. Dude, that Chandler for us, the guys that go on there and just put it on the dude and are just a fireball from beginning to end, that's what people tune in for. Dude, that Chandler guy is very exciting, man. Beast. He goes off. I did not expect that at all. He's an intense human being. You see when he's talking. He's got a lot going on behind the eyes.

He's just getting started. That's the scary part. Yeah, I think so. I was super impressed with him in that Eddie Al alvarez fight that was that was sick incredible performance i thought it was done at the end of the third round did you really i was like because that third round eddie starts teeing off channel looked out of gas i was like okay this is probably great performance this is probably he came out in round four like he was shot out of a cannon yeah and just eddie just was not ready for it he's a a bad motherfucker. Bad dude.

There's so few of those guys that have this special thing about them. And you see them come up and you go, well, this guy just for whatever reason, he just stands out. It's like what percentage of it is it? Is it 1% of all the fighters? I mean what is it? What percentage that you see when you see a guy and you go, there's something that this dude has that other people just don't five percent yeah i would go as high as five percent but you you and i have seen where even if it's even like just getting started you're like keep an eye on that yeah because that dude's got it first time i saw jsp and carl parisian i went all right this dude he's gonna be a problem i was at a lot of gsp's early fights

and i was there when he fought Jay Heron. That's when I knew. I was like, wow, this guy is fucking savage, man. He's a savage. But the first one that I knew he was good, the one that really turned my head, when he demolished Frank Trigg. Yeah. When he demolished Frank Trigg.

You went, okay. Because Trigg at the time was a top contender. He only lost to Matt Hughes and Hayato Sakurai. And it was like, he just mauled him. Yeah, GSP, he ran through him. He just put up a pace that Frank Trigg, especially when it got to the ground, oh, he just manhandled him. I think Trigg was, like, really shocked.

Yeah. And I remember when he got off of him, Trigg said, you're really fucking good, man. You're really fucking good. He was just shocked. Yeah, there's a few of those guys. Like when Anderson first came into the octagon when he fought Chris Lieben. I knew.

I'd seen him fight many times. I'd seen his difference between his pride days where he was still learning submissions and his Muay Thai wasn't exactly where it was then to the cage rage days when he went over to England. Was it cage rage? Cage rage over in England, yeah. In cage rage when he fought Lee Murray and he fought Tony Fricklin, he hit him with that upward elbow. Spinning back elbow, yeah.

It was a stepping forward upward elbow. Like I missed, like he pretended to miss the hook and then reloaded and hit him with the elbow. Blam and caught him on the chin and knocked him completely unconscious. And I knew that Anderson was something special. I knew that he was coming into his own, especially the Lee Murray fight. Because Lee Murray, who went on to be one of the most notorious criminals in U.K. history. I think they're making a movie about him.

Of course they are. From what I've heard, they're making a movie about him. How could you not? How could you not? How could you not? MMA fighter turned biggest heist in English history. Apparently, the story goes that he met Tito Ortiz in London back when Tito was the champ. Story goes that he met Tito Ortiz in London back when Tito was the champ.

And he either didn't know who Tito was or didn't give a fuck who Tito was. And they got in a street fight. And the word is that Lee Murray won the street fight. That was like what everybody had said. And then, you know, I mean, even after Tito lost to Chuck in the post-fight interview, he was, you know, talking about how there's 185 pounders running his mouth. Dog shit. Yeah, it was after he just fought Chuck Liddell and got stopped, he was calling out Lee Murray. So it was a legit beef.

Something happened for sure. And then he went from there to getting somehow or another involved in this insane armed robbery, like right out of a movie. Like a state, the movie. Yeah. Where they have like masks on and machine guns and they held hostages and they stole millions and millions of dollars.

And then one of the biggest heists in British history. Yeah. And then he went to Morocco and then in Morocco he got arrested for, I think it was like cocaine and kidnapping. Something ridiculous. You would think. Like how many years can I add on was like cocaine and kidnapping. Something ridiculous. You would think. Like how many years can I add on to my sentence here? Let me see.

Let's take a look at it here. You would think. Okay, I'm on the run from the biggest armed robbery in the UK history. I got this fat bag of money with me. What do I do? I'm out. I never understand. And there's a great documentary.

Cocaine Cowboys, you ever seen it? Yes. Great documentary. Yes. Billy Corbin. Right, Billy Corbin. I met that guy in Florida. Great guy.

One thing I kept thinking as I was watching that movie – and by the way, listeners, if you haven't seen Cooking Cowboys, great documentary. Check it out. Amazing. And two. One and two. Right. There's two. And these guys make hundreds of millions of dollars. At what point do you go out, done?

I'm not risking a life sentence over this. I have 50 million. Can I budget in my head? Okay, not risking a life sentence over this. I have $50 million. Can I budget in my head? Okay, yeah, I can live on this. Well, I think in the Murray case, I don't think that you could spend the money. I think they take the money and it becomes like they know what the numbers on the money were. And then they put that into circulation, like be alerted for these numbers. Why don't you get a legit job and go, no, I'm going to be a mortician or whatever. I have to be in Morocco to not go to prison for the rest of my life.

Yeah, I would rather be a mortician in Morocco. I got lucky. But being in jail in Morocco, I think he gets like girls in there because he got a chick pregnant. Well, he's hooked up there. That's why he ran there. His family is Moroccan. I guess they got some juice in Morocco. Yeah. So I don't know. Maybe he's Moroccan. I guess they got some juice in Morocco. Yeah.

So I don't know. Maybe he's doing one like the Pablo Escobar prison in Colombia that's like a compound. I don't like the idea of supporting criminals. Neither do I. But I do like the idea that there's a place you can go where jail's not really jail and you can pay some people off and just live like they did. That's the rest of the world, bro. That is the rest of the world. Yeah, I think I like that.

I've been all over the place. It's the rest of the world, bro. That is the rest of the world. Yeah, I think I like that. I've been all over the place. It's the rest of the world, man. I don't really think that you should be using it in a bad way. I don't think corruption should be used in a bad way. But when it's used that way, when a guy can get a dope cell because he's paying for it, they can bring in girls. I don't really hate it. I mean, look, a fucking security guard guards got to do what security guards got to do it's a tough way to make 11 oh isn't it so i don't mind him getting a few extra hundred bucks if he

brings in hookers for lee murray i really don't see a problem with that the unions in california it's really hilarious here in california the prison guard union is one of the most powerful unions in california every time they try to do any kind of well can we search guards before they go in there or something because dark guards are making huge money. Yeah. Get old cell phones and give them to the prisoners so they can do their thing. They stop it every single time. I'm glad they do.

Every single time. I'm glad they do. Because if they know they're all corrupt and they know they're all sneaking weed in, then that's okay. What the fuck, man? There needs to be a little room for fuckery in this world. Everything can't be across the board. I had a friend tell me cigarettes are $20. What's that?

In the prison he was in, a cigarette is $20. A cigarette. One cigarette is $20. Imagine being a guard and bringing in a pack of cigarettes and making that kind of money. Worth every penny. Yeah, Brian would pay it. Worth every penny. He would give you that money.

You would, wouldn't you, right? Probably. Just have one cigarette. You'd be down one a day. Could you deal with like a $100 cigarette habit a week? Could you deal with one cigarette a day or would you just go crazy? I'd probably have like two hits, put it out, two hits the next day, put it out. So I would make it last like a –

Like a wino. You're like a crazy person. Wow. That's like serious addiction. How many are you smoking a day these days? About a pack. Are you worried about like when you hear that our friend Duncan gets cancer, and he's basically your age, and then all of a sudden he's going through radiation and all this shit?

Does that freak you out at all? Well, I don't put cigarettes up my ass or anything like that. Hey, easy. What are you trying to say about Duncan? Wow, making this all personal. Talking shit about a fucking injured person. I mean, I get nervous. It doesn't freak you out at all?

You don't give a fuck? What else is bad that I do? I drink. I do drugs. I smoke. Whatever. So you just don't give a fuck about your meat vehicle? You're just going to ride that shit until the wheels fall off?

Is that the idea? Yeah. Wow. I guess, yeah. Everybody's got their own decisions to make in this life. It's really hard to be a comedian and go to a comedy club and not drink. It's really hard to be a comedian and go to a comedy club and not smoke. It's like almost impossible.

Well, it's more fun if you do those things. That's the problem. You're hanging out with comedians and you want to drink. Fuck it. Let's do it. Somebody pulls out a joint. Yeah. Little known fact.

I've never had a drink in my life. Really? Little known fact about Jimmy Swing. How come? Parents are both alcoholics. Oh, good move. Dad's real bad. Was real bad.

Good move. You might have that fucking wacky dream. Yeah, man. I was like, I don't need this. Just in case. Just in case I'm going back off this. That's the reason why I've never tried cocaine. I get a chance to watch.

No one in my family, but I had a chance to watch some friends lose their fucking shit over it it's good smart to learn you know i'm not saying that everybody should have an alcoholic in their family but you should you should really know the broad spectrum of how bad something can fuck up your life you know the show intervention yeah my my wife's a producer and she produced intervention for like a year and a half she worked for the production committee at Intervention. The story she would tell me about these addicts and it's the – what's weird is the inconsistency of it where some addicts will do one drug and it doesn't really do – it's OK, whatever. But coke is their thing or why our systems or our brains key into a particular drug and go – and they can't get off whatever it is. It's really weird how some people are hardwired for that and other people aren't. I don't really have an addictive personality.

The only thing I remember, I love fighting. I love training. That's more of a passion than an addiction. It's more of a passion, but you could call it a physical addiction to some degree, but it's weird what keys in to certain people, how some people get hooked on something, other people have no problem with it. There's a lot of genetic variables. A ton.

Yeah, especially when it comes to – I mean it's the oldest running story in America really from the dawn of the Pilgrim days. It was the Indians and their inability to handle alcohol. That is the American and Native Americans have consistently had a problem with alcohol. And the idea is that genetically their bodies are not designed to process it because it wasn't a part of their culture until the white man showed up. Yeah. So it was this massive disadvantage. Polynesians too. Yes, yes.

I grew up in Long Beach, a lot of Samoans. Yes, yes. Last thing you want is a family of drunk Samoans. Yeah, you're right. After you. You're right. They love me. I have a lot of Samoan friends, so I'm cool.

But man, they roam in packs of families. Yeah. Well, I find they're generally very friendly people. Unbelievably me. I have a lot of small friends, so I'm cool. But man, they roam in packs of families. Yeah. Well, I find they're generally very friendly people. Unbelievably friendly. Very family-oriented. Yeah, just don't be cunty with them. Don't be cunty. They won't have to swat you.

Yes. But the cultural lack of history with alcohol really fucks them up, man. And then there's cultural history of fucking straight alcoholism, like a lot of Irish folks. Yeah. Yeah, a lot of. And my dad was half Irish. There you go. Yeah, I have a good buddy whose dad was Irish and drunk.

You know, Greg Fitzsimmons, he's told the story a hundred times. And about how his dad, you know, fucking crashed a car while he was drunk. And then, you know, he was in the hospital for a while and then got out of the hospital and like almost immediately started drinking again yeah it doesn't it doesn't make like wow my dad went through dt's while driving one time my mom said he was driving i apparently hadn't had anything drink in the morning which is weird i don't know what i was thinking but anyway my mom said you were in a backseat you you know we were there and he started shaking and and he started shaking and he pulled the car over, and he started convulsing.

And a cop came and said, do you need help? Does he need to go to the emergency room? Because he was having convulsions because he didn't drink that morning. Whoa. So it's like – One day? Yeah. That's all it took?

One morning, bro. One morning. I saw him. He had a head injury, which is how he – well, not really how he died, but he had a head injury. And he was in the hospital one time. And I went to visit him, and they had him tied to the bed and he's like thrashing around and his eyes are rolling back he's literally in a coma but dt's will go through him anyway it doesn't your body is still reacting to the fact that you don't have any alcohol so he's thrashing around and he's screaming and all

this stuff and i i'm looking down at him and i forget who i'm with and they went can you believe this i turn him i go this is why i don't drink you see that you want to take a picture of this because this is why i don't drink and she's like yeah i can see why you don't drink because your body will go through dt's anyway whether you're in a coma or not you know so yeah that kind of stuff you know so it's like i just i just stay away from that what's wrong with people i don't know that design what a shit design that you can get hooked on alcohol or heroin or something that sucks something that's bad for it. And something like working out, it's pain in the ass for people and they don't want to do it.

Well, you know what? For some folks. For some people. I'm addicted to it. I love it. I can't stay away from it. I can't go a couple days without some sort of training. I can't.

It makes me feel better. I'm suffering through a bulging disc right now and I started getting rolfing. You ever have rolfing done? Oh, thank God, no. Thank God I have not very painful but it's really amazing and like what kind of pain relief it gives you once the pain is over yeah like the loosening of my back my back feels more limber than it's felt like in like a year i got an issue with my back for quite a while i could get injured my neck is bad yeah you have bulging?

Yeah, I think so. So did you get an MRI or anything? Did you get it checked out? I just got – this is years ago when I was at Team Punishment. Some dude dropped me on my head and I – it bulged. It herniated. It's like herniation here. Yeah.

And I had therapy for like six months and they went, okay – and this is back when I didn't have any money so I had to have a friend of mine as a chiropractor to take care of it but it was like therapy and it fixed it but it's the one thing where I'll be sparring, I'll take one

and I'll feel this and I gotta stop. Right. Because if I keep going then I gotta put ass on it and all that stuff. It's just always a problem, a slight problem.

So you do still have a bulge there probably. A little press against the nerve. Slight, yeah. If I get hit on the head and it jams my head, That uh mark coleman apparently got paralyzed he was uh training with randleman again and uh randleman uh dumped him on his head and he couldn't move for like i think it was something crazy like 30 seconds like his body was just completely frozen that's a scary 30 seconds oh

my god well he thought this is it i'm gonna be in a wheelchair for the rest of my life directing myself with my mouth. I mean that's what could have happened to him going from the UFC heavyweight champion of the world to that from one injury like that. James Wilkes retired because of that. Did he? He was a guy that I fought actually when I was fighting. I fought James Wilkes and he had some kind of herniation in his neck and the doctor said if you keep doing this, you're going to risk paralysis when I'm out. There's different ways to treat it. The raw thing, though, was a buddy of mine from the gym had good personal experience from it,

and he was like, it is really painful stuff, but when it's done, like when they're breaking the muscle fascia, I guess, they're ripping it off the scar tissue. Whatever they're doing with their elbows the the muscle fascia i guess they're yeah they're ripping it off you know the scar tissue whatever they're doing with their elbows it's fucking horrifically painful they put all their weight on yeah but but when it's done like man like all of a sudden like there's all this range of motion that wasn't there before and i try to say like is this fuckery man is this like some some some bullshit voodoo that they put on me and? And they're giving me a rubber bracelet with a hologram on it and saying it's going to make my balance better. But I think objectively, I'm just like, no.

There's some serious relief in my – I'm pretty consistent about deep tissue massage and all the different things, chiropractic care. But this made a difference. It was a noticeable difference. A fighter is always in pain. People who have never fought or never trained don't understand that. Basically any athlete,

basketball players, their knees are shot. They're constantly in pain. The difference between hurt and injured is a line a fighter is always walking. A fighter never goes in not hurt, ever. I've never seen it. They're always in pain. A lot of guys train through injuries

and that's how I fucked my back up way worse. I injured it and then I was like, yeah, just keep rolling. I'll just go technical. I'll roll light. I'll tap quicker. I won't put myself in strength. Bullshit. Once you get out there, you start rolling. The whole purpose of rolling is to try to get dudes.

If they're trying to get you and you can't try to get them, it's not fun. Nope. So you're not going to enjoy it. And the reason why you're doing the first place mostly is because it's fun. So you're going to go after them and you're going to, ah, fucking shit. Go home. And it's done. I had numbness in my hand.

And I would get this pain in my elbow. Same thing I got. The ulnar nerve. So it's like C7 or something like that where your injury is? It's here. That's a really scary one, getting dropped on the head. Sucks. Yeah, that's one of the reasons I like that jiu-jitsu starts on the knees.

The bad thing is that a lot of guys don't have good takedowns or takedown defense. And if you face a wrestler, you're really fucked if you can't take him down and he's better standing. Because then you're doomed. You're just going to get teed off on. It's easy to defend submissions if you've been grappling your whole life. It's just a natural thing for them. It's really hard. I hate catching wrestlers. But man, getting tossed around is one of the

easiest ways to get fucking seriously hurt. When you're wrestling with really good guys who can throw you, guys who can get double unders on you and they fucking suplex you legit in the gym where they're launching their back like a fucking bridge and slamming you into the ground first with them behind you, all 200-plus pounds of them. You can get really fucked up, like separated shoulders, terrible disc injuries.

So I don't fuck with that, man. I know it's an important thing to do to like roll with a guy like that to know what's possible but the the worries about getting slammed on your head to me that's a big one that's a that's a gigantic one the most injuries i've ever seen in combat sports judo their judo is like and it's funny because people don't think about it it's like man that's doesn't seem like it would be the worst. People get thrown and their elbows pop out, their knees pop out, they fall. I mean, world champs. Yoshida broke his arm in a tournament because – and that's a world champ.

Jiu-Jitsu, you don't see that that often. Like hardly ever will a guy – Occasionally a guy will get an arm broke. Occasionally. He doesn't tap. But they typically know when to tap. When you get thrown, you're not expecting it. That classic Jacare-Hodger Gracie fight where he didn't tap.

Tucks it in his belt, keeps fighting. He let him break his fucking arm, and then he got out of it and won by points. I could not believe that. Dude! It's like being in a washing machine grappling with a dude. Dude, but what is his mentality? He let a dude break his arm in a jiu-jitsu tournament. What is he going to win in that?

$100? I mean, what the fuck is he going to win? How much does a jiu-jitsu tournament pay? I mean, is it at $20,000? What's it worth to get your fucking arm snapped? Final match of the absolutes, dude. Stuffed in there. And this is after he'd already won his division and just defended for the last few seconds.

Big deal for him. Big deal for him, man. He's a beast. Dude's a beast. That's a serious competitor, man. A guy who lets you break his fucking arm. And just says, fuck it, I'm going to well here's one thing here's one mentality here's here's one thing you can say though is there is the idea of well fuck it it's already broken

i got a minute and a half remember it wasn't a lot of time left it was a minute and a half left of a 10 minute match and he went it's already broken it's not gonna get more broken yep fuck it maybe i can win this thing. It's not the kind of thing where it's like an MCL goes out and you're like, if I stand on this, it's going to get even worse. Fuck it. Broken is broken. It ain't going to get a whole lot worse. And when I got a minute left and made it, that was the mentality of, man, I can't break it twice, I guess.

You can. The real problem is when a guy gets a physical injury like that, like you get an arm snapped or a knee snapped, you might not ever be the same again. Nope. And you might have to go through rehab for seven months, eight months if you're lucky, if everything goes perfect, if you can schedule your surgery in time and then go through it all. It's like that's why everybody is terrified of guys like Husamar Pajaras. Husamar Pajaras gets a hold of your leg and starts rolling and he's, I think he's my height and a foot wider than me. You know, I mean, I don't know how much weight he cuts to get down to 185 pounds. But he literally looks like a cartoon figure. He's from my team, Carlson Gracie.

You know, he's one of the Bustamantes. And I'm with Hay Diogo, who is, you know, the same family and stuff. and I'm with Hay Diogo, who is the same family and stuff. And the dude is one of those guys where it's like, are you okay? Is jiu-jitsu all you do? Because if you saw in Abu Dhabi and he took on Marcos Avalon, I want to say, had him in a heel hook. They rolled out of bounds. Yes, yes, yes.

And he keeps rolling. And they're like, we're out of bounds. And he taps. And he knew that Marcos Avalon was lightening up because they were out of bounds. Yes, yes, yes. And he keeps rolling. And they're like, we're out of bounds. And he taps. And he knew that Marcos Avalon was lightening up because they were out of bounds. And he just went for the kill and tried to submit him. But he stood up like, oh, good match. And Marcos Avalon is furious. Well, then remember, they restarted him.

They restarted him with a heel hook. And he taps him. And he said, ready, go. You can't do that. You can't because there's a lot of momentum in moving. And you generate that momentum to say, stop, ready, go. That's a big advantage to the guy that was applying the submission. You allowed him to get to a superior position because that initial explosion is way quicker to do with your arm like that than it is to do with your leg and twisting your fucking foot that's already in a bad spot.

Ready, go. But it's the idea of... Marco Zappi was clearly upset. Yes. And Toquinho's like, oh, good match. And he slapped him hard. Are you paying attention? He slapped him hard when he went to hug him.

Like, he hit him. Which match did he jump up on the fence before the fight was over? Oh, that was Jim Miller. No, not Jim Miller. Dan Miller. Dan Miller. It's that combination of, you know, sick on the ground and not all there upstairs is frightening.

Yeah, he's a nut. Frightening. And he's been a leg snapper forever. Years. Yeah. If you've never seen him, he's this hairy gorilla type man, and his technique is flawless. He's so strong, but his technique is perfect. There's a video online with him rolling with Mayhem in Brazil,

and he takes Mayhem down, smoothly passes him, takes his back, and then transitions to the armbar, all in one glorious move. And you watch him, you go, God damn damn that guy's just fluid like water i mean the way he he he ducked under mayhem scooped him dumped him just took his back took the armbar you're like well i know mayhem man mayhem is no joke i used to train with mayhem has a very good ground game he's got very good defense he survives a lot of shit and to see that guy run through him like that you're like wasn't even there yeah he's uh he's a bad motherfucker shit and to see that guy run through him like that he like wasn't even

there yeah he's uh he's a bad motherfucker but no plan b that's the problem no plan b the hector lombard fight was a terrible matchup for him because hector lombard is so fucking powerful with his hands and hector's takedown defense is ridiculous when you see the tim boach fight it wasn't a good fight for hector was one of his worst fights ever. But look how good his fucking takedown defense is. I mean, he sprawls and slams Boach down to the ground with him. That is a power sprawl. When he gets those, you know, when Boach shot in on him and he over-undered him,

kicked his hips back and dropped the two of them down to the ground, you're like, whoa, that is some otherworldly strength that's another dude who's like five foot nothing yeah and like six feet wide he's like five seven five eight and and just built like a fucking comic book hero yeah and his his movement like the the shit that he's that he can do to people you know he is striking the explosions he could put on people he's just a ridiculous, ridiculous athletic specimen. Josh Barnett said that he taught him muscle-ups, that he had never done it before. What's a muscle-up is you start with a chin-up, and then you pull yourself up to your chin,

and then you push yourself all the way up to a dip, so you're fully extended. And he said it's hard to do. Like Alistair over him they like someone was trying to they had one of those gymnastics dudes like street you know the street workout dudes that do a lot of like crazy yeah core strength athletic moves and he could do it hector lumbar just starts whipping them off bam bam bam bam just does like 10 muscle ups in a row which is impossible it's a freak like to never have done it before and just pull yourself up like that over and over again, you've got to be unbelievably strong.

I've had people tell me that when he was at CSW, which is Josh Burnett's team here in Southern California, on Fullerton, they would mop up the blood when they would spar. Oh, yeah. Because Hector does not know how to spar lightly. He doesn't know how to be like – he just goes full out all the time. Josh Burnett's gigantic dude well there's a legendary story of josh barnett like punishing him where he got on he

mounted him and would not let him go and just would just kept beating him up because apparently there was an issue with hector beating up other people in the gym if you're sparring hector that's always been the knock is that he's gonna fight you like you're fighting yeah like he's so goddamn competitive and he's so fucking good he just he needs to destroy like all the time he's going to fight you. You're fighting. He's so goddamn competitive and he's so fucking good. He needs to destroy all the time. He's like this fucking destruction machine. He even talks about it in post-fight interviews.

One of the post-fight interviews, my trainers say I have to be nicer. I can't have toys to play with. You break your toys, you got no toys to play with, bro. Bro, that's what it is, bro. He's a scary guy. He is, he is i'm glad he's back on track that paul harris fight put him back on track certainly so many exciting fights for him you know there's a the thing about having only two promotions it's like i mean there's other

like small feeder promotions that go national let's say national promotions it's bellator on the fc that's it that's all there is now i mean especially now the strike force is done but there's there's so many guys they go, I want to see that guy over there. I would love to see Chandler fight Benson. I think that would be fucking chaos. You're an awesome fighter. You're an awesome fighter. I would love that fight.

I would love to see Pat Curran fight basically any 145-pounder in the world. You look great against Pitbull. It's a great fight. Dude, he's got – Great fight. And he's another one where really follows the principles of being technically sound. Tight. Really tight.

Tight, tight, tight, tight, tight. And doesn't expose himself, doesn't go emotionally, doesn't do anything crazy, but mixes things up really good, like between punches and knees that you don't see coming and kicks you don't see coming. No windup with the kicks. He's throwing a lot of kicks karate style that are getting there when you don't expect them to. He's a bad motherfucker.

He's very good. That Sandro fight. Dude. When he head kicked him, I was like, oh, snap. Done.

I did not see that coming at all. Yeah, Sandro's a beast standing too. He's a dangerous fucking striker. Knocked him dead. Yeah. Dead. He's very,

very, very good. There's a few of those guys that are i see and i go damn i wish i'd get that guy in the ufc i get to see him in bellator man i'm sure well i hope that eventually they figure out some way where you know there can be you know like if it comes to a point where there's some bellator heavyweight that is just this shit and just destroying people and it's all over television.

If it gets to a point, ideally it would be great if there was like equal value. Because if it was equal value, then everybody would get together and say, listen, we got to promote. Let's fucking make a deal. Come on. What are we doing here? This is crazy. Let's chop this up and let's figure out a way to get the best fighters in the world fighting. The UFC, to its credit, the brand has been marketed so incredibly well, and so incredibly well, that the value behind the UFC brand is so high.

That's what it is. The brand behind the UFC is so high that that brand is what's on the line. If I'm the UFC, they're the best. And that's what's on the line. It's kind of crazy because when we first started, when I became a fan, the one thing that me and my friends sit around and think that MMA needed – because a lot of folks don't know that in 1997, MMA was so underground. Most people had no idea what it is. And I always said, you know what?

We need some crazy billionaires that happen to be fight fans to just come along and buy it. But I never thought that was actually gonna happen and then it would actually be like some of the nicest fucking guys on the planet earth like lorenzo and frank vertita are some of the nicest fucking human beings you could ever want to meet the gentlemen in every sense of the word they're they're easy to talk to they're friendly they're kind they're cool motherfuckers, and they love fights. They love boxing. They bet stupid money on boxing all the time.

They're big Floyd Mayweather fans, and they were big Ricky Hatton fans. They love combat sports. It's always been a passion for them. And they also happen to own 20 casinos. Yeah, that helps. Yeah, so it was literally like we manifested them. We created them out of our imagination. Thank you, Joe Rogan.

Thank you, Joe Rogan. I appreciate that, buddy. We needed billionaires to come along. It's almost like simulation theory. The universe provides you what your creative imagination is trying to concoct. Right, exactly. I don't know if that's real. I don't really buy that.

But I do buy that we were lucky as fuck to have the Fertittas come along. And they spent so much money to get the UFC to where it is before they actually started making money that at one point in time they were thinking about quitting they were like 40 something million dollars in the hole that's what people don't don't people people talk about mma and ufc like it was a home run that was of course of course it was going to be big. It wasn't. They took – and people that I don't understand who knocked the UFC and – look, they took the risk and put the money in when it wasn't a home run. Like you said, they were 40 in the hole at one point. They did it super intelligently. And they did it smart and built it.

They built the brand up and they got it to where it is and they deserve every fucking penny they make from it. That's exactly what I think. That's reality. Yeah. And the sport would not be here where it is right now if it wasn't for those guys. That's just a fact. If they didn't spend that money and take that chance, it had to get promoted. But it's amazing that it did.

It really is amazing. I'm so psyched. It's amazing that it did. It really is amazing. I'm so psyched. We're going to Chicago this weekend, and it's going to be fights on Fox. And it's great fucking fights. You're going to have Rampage versus Glover Teixeira.

That's a great fucking fight. And then – Pettis versus Cerrone is what I'm looking forward to. And Dodson. Dodson is going to fight for the title. He's fighting Mighty Mouse. That's going to be a sick fight. That's going to be a fight. If folks can get past the fact that these guys weigh 18 pounds.

Get past the fact. Get past the size. It's 125 pounds. They're the baddest motherfuckers on the planet Earth. Pound for pound, no one moves like these guys. You want to talk about guys who are technical like mighty mouse is so fucking technical he's so good at mixing up the takedowns with with uh with stand up and his his timing and his speed and delivery is sensational and he comes from an interesting lineage to me because i was just talking about

his trainer matt hum, the other day. There's very few guys that started out – Not just that. I mean fucking basically everything. Coaching stud. Coaching stud. But Matt Hume started out when MMA was – it was pancreation and it was – I mean he was literally in the just post-Hoist Gracie wave. the just poised post hoist gracie wave and out of all those guys whether it's the lion's den or whether it's uh you know the militage camp all these camps that rose up from those ranks matt hume has stayed ahead of the curve and continued to evolve his teaching and his game

and his fighters to where the sport's at whereas like a lot of guys get stuck they get stuck with a certain style you know there's a hammer house style there's a fucking lion's den style and that style as the sport becomes this sort of rory mcdonald gsp type athletic dominance sport the guys who really continue to advance are rare the guys who make it from that early pioneer age where Matt Hume was fighting. If you go back and look at Matt Hume, Matt Hume fought Pat Miletic way before Pat Miletic ever won the UFC title. Broke his nose.

Broke his nose with me. Matt Hume was very, very technical. Stand up and had good ground game. He submitted Kenny Monday in one of those submission only matches. Yeah, that was something called the Contenders. It was called like, God, what was it called? Contenders or something. It was some pay-per, what was it called? That was a great – Contenders or something. It was some pay-per-view grappling thing.

Frank Shamrock submitted Dan Henderson. Dan Henderson with a heel hook, inverted heel hook. Yeah, that was nasty. There was a lot of interesting – and Dan Gable gave commentary on it as well. I think it was Peretti. Was it Peretti? Was Peretti involved? I don't remember.

I remember the matches, but I don't remember who it was. I was hoping that that would actually become something that people could watch because I think there's something cool about watching really aggressive submission grappling. If you watch a Marcelo Garcia, you watch a Jacare or a Jake Shields, someone who really goes after the finish. To see that on television I think would be really interesting for people. But that's the part that we have the most trouble translating. We're talking about MMA. That's the part where people

start booing and I'm seeing something awesome and the crowd's booing. But they're dumb. That's okay. It doesn't matter. You can't make everybody happy. What I'm saying is MMA, which has a ton of action and some grappling. The grappling is the part

that people have the least attention to man with. Something that's all grappling, that's a hard sell. They tried to do it with a real pro wrestling, which Kenny Johnson, a guy who's trained with, tried to do. Yeah, but there's no finishing in that. There isn't. The difference, I think, is in the submission. Who watches Abu Dhabi? I mean, guys like us.

Yeah, but they don't promote it. Submission dorks. It's online, but it's not like it's on ESPN. It's not like it's in the front of Sports Illustrated. Who's the best strangler on the planet Earth? I mean I think that's something that's missing. I think there's two things that are missing, and I think high-level kickboxing is the other one. I think high-level kickboxing like K-1.

I know Glory just put on a pay-per-view event. I think they're going to do something in America this year, and they're throwing a lot of money at it. They might be able to pull it off. I wasn't down with their last thing because they had like – I watched it. I bought the pay-per-view, but it was four fights in a night. I was like, that's crazy. And they were making the guys fight two-minute rounds, four fights, two-minute rounds. That was the one out of Japan, right? Was that in Japan?

Because they had a New Year's Eve show. I believe it was in Japan. Yes, it was because it was in combination with Dream. Yeah. They also – they did both of them back-to-back in the same place. And it was incredible. I mean, it was really fucking good fights. But to see Daniel Gita in the final round against Semmy Schill just exhausted,

having fought three fucking tough fights. And the third fight was against that big giant dude. I forget the fucking guy's name, but he's 300 pounds, 6'8", this bad motherfucker. And he beat up Olmjasky. So it's like these guys are going through unbelievable punishment before they ever get to the final fight. I would way rather see individual super fights. An actual card. Yeah.

I don't like tournaments, man. I think it's stupid because I think it's unfair. If one guy wins in a seven-second knockout. I won't take that personally. That's cool. To work in Bellator. That's not what I think it's unfair. If one guy wins in a seven-second knockout. I won't take that personally. That's cool. To work on Bellator. That's not what I mean. Not tournaments like that.

I mean tournaments where you fight multiple times in a night. Yeah. In the same night. It's just too many variables that are just – who can go through that? I like a tournament format where you build up to one final contender. I like that. I like what Bellator does. We're cool.

I like what K1 does. I like what Dream does. But what I don't like... Pride had a couple in a night. They had the opening round and they had two in one night. It's interesting because you want to see what happens when Vanduulay meets Rampage. You want to see what happens

when they meet in the finals. Too many variables. The reality is if you fight more than one time in a night you could be really busted up. And maybe concussed, especially if you're fighting Japan. Oh, my God. They'll be like, oh, he's okay. They don't stop anything, man. Yeah, they will let you fight even if you're concussed.

If you got concussed in your first fight and then you go out, they'll let you go out for the second fight. I've had some people ask me about recently would a Muay Thai thing like Glory be successful in the United States. Would a Muay Thai thing like Glory Be successful in the United States I think MMA may have paved the road Where people are used to seeing Muay Thai And kickboxing in MMA and appreciating it And will obviously throw their dollars Toward a good Muay Thai promotion

I think it can work And I think like I said the MMA fans That have gotten used to that kind of striking That's what paved the way I think a few years ago it didn't work Because it never did in the United States We've never been big on kickboxing Well you know what it is

That PKA karate shit ruined it for everybody it did because it was so bad it was so boring it was awful it was so silly don't watch that

if you guys listening don't know what we're talking about go you should watch it you can watch it just to learn just to see what we're talking about they used to have this rule

where you had to throw a certain amount of kicks in a round so you had like these sloppy kicks and then you had bad boxing and you had like I mean and then you had bad boxing. I'm just going to be honest.

They were inferior athletes. They just weren't that good. And no one ever looked at the best of the PKA guys and said, hey, that guy could fuck up Marvin Hagler. No one thought. You knew that Marvin Hagler was just going to jump all over them. They weren't in the same quality. I saw some boxers who got into it for the money and literally went,

one, two, three, four, five, six. They threw like six kicks to get the number they needed in the round, and then they'd box the rest of the round. And then beat the guy's ass. Yeah, and then beat their ass. Yeah, it was a bad style because they didn't incorporate leg kicks and knees and elbows and all the things that make kickboxing and Muay Thai more interesting. Yeah.

And once they started doing that, though, in Japan with K-1, it went from being boring as fuck to some of the most exciting fights in the history of combat sports were fought in the K-1 days of Japan where most people have no idea they were even going on. Because in Japan, it was gigantic. They had Andy Hoog and Ernesto Hoost, and they put together... These Japanese are such bad motherfuckers. They put together these giant tournaments featuring the greatest kickboxers on earth and made them fight each other on multiple occasions.

And they always have one poor tiny Japanese dude in there too. Every now and then. That was the hilarious part to me is the kind of freak show matches they used to put together. But K-1 was the shit, man. Yeah, they would put together some freak shows. Well, they put together Bob Sapp. Bob Sapp and Ernesto Hoos is the greatest freak show matchup ever. I can't believe we lost him.

He won twice. Bob Sapp won twice. Twice in a row. And he had to come back. He had to come back. We played that fight, and we were fucking around doing color commentary on the show. We were talking about what an amazing fight it was. He dropped him with a fucking left hook to the body and hurt him bad like bob sap was hurt bad and

ernesto was chopping at his legs but he was so big and so strong that he won anyway yeah you know who you know bob sapper reminds you of when he goes down bald bull do you remember the punch out ball bull his eye like pop out and he'll curl up like this on his right side like that and his eye will pop out the dude looks like bald like this on his right side like that and his eye will pop out. The dude looks like ball bull whenever he goes down. That's fucked up. You say that because Crowcock broke his eye socket. Remember that?

He fucked his eye up and then his eye looked weird after that. Remember? Ball bull, man. I'm serious. That happens to dudes. They get that eye socket break and then they develop that one weird eye because of that and then they're still fighting. That's when you know shit's real. When one eye moves and the other one doesn't, that's a problem.

Did Marillo Ninja have brain surgery? What is the story with that? I have not heard anything. Because we know you can have brain surgery and still fight today. You can have some things done that actually it's not even like they have to clean something up. Like I know Tiago Alves, remember they had to insert some crazy glue in his brain and yeah he would have a week something or another there was some issue where they did like a micro surgery and then he was back to fighting like shortly thereafter which is really hard to wrap your fucking head around but they were inserting glue into his dome

and then they're like yeah yeah you're good to go get back out there and get fucking shinned in the head again like we were saying before that second generation yeah you're starting to go so and so needs to hang that shit it's Babalu

not that moment how it's like it's time to pack him up and it's hard for us who saw guys like that and worship guys like that yeah

Babalu for folks who don't know has one of the scariest old-school Valley Tudor knockouts ever. You remember Brad Kohler? Yes. Remember when he fought Brad Kohler? Brad Kohler, who had one of the best one-punched. Who looked like a rhino.

Yeah, unbelievably muscular, solid dude. He had one of the best one-punch KOs ever. And that was an example that we were talking about before, about a wrestler being able to generate that same double-egg takedown power into a punch. And that's what Brad did. And I forget who the dude – was it a UFC? He had tattoos on both of his arms. Was it UFC? You sure it was UFC?

Brad Kohler? Yeah. Definitely. It was – I can't remember his name. Tall dude, tattoos on both arms. Yeah, he was really tatted up. He was bouncing. He was more of a jiu-jitsu guy, right?

More of a jiu-jitsu guy. Yeah, and he was trying to get a hold of him, and he got leveled. Well, Babalu manhandled that dude. He did. And then he soccer kicked him back in the soccer kick days, and Babalu soccer kicked him, like moved his whole body like a foot when he kicked him. It was one of the most brutal soccer kick chaos ever and babalu that's when he like first emerged onto the scene man and he was a dangerous motherfucker still

is man you know he's been hit a bunch of times he's been knocked out a bunch of times but you know anybody could lose if they get caught with a spinning back fist like that that dude spun around and blasted him right behind the jaw i I mean, that was a hard shot. It was. And he was still up after that shot. Yeah. And it was the left hook that nailed him. Yeah, he got dropped by the left hook.

But, you know, he's been in there with so many guys. Think about the Chuck Liddell, two fights with Chuck. Those were crazy fights. The thing is that the losses he has had have been some brutal ass knockouts. Mousasi. Mousasi. Gegard Mousasi, who's an animal. Henderson is one of the most brutal. When Henderson puts it on you, dude, that motherfucker has some of the most violent ground and pound.

It's like he capitalizes on these openings in ways that a lot of guys don't. It's the suddenness to it. When he starts pounding on you, you usually don't get up from that. There's not a lot of guys who are going There's a suddenness to it. When he starts pounding on you, you usually don't get up from that. There's not a lot of guys who are going to absorb those shots and get up. Dan can put some serious fucking horsepower behind those knuckles, man.

I was really bummed out when they had to stop the John Jones-Henderson fight. I was really, really bummed out because I'm so... Especially during that time of his career when John is like still sort of learning all the different aspects of MMA. I mean he's getting better every time you see him. But if there's ever an opening for a veteran, a real crafty guy like Henderson

to capitalize on a mistake or to open a door by setting some traps and open a door for him to land a punch, Dan Henderson knows how to put that fucking hand on you. He knows how to do it. He might not be technical in the sense of like Cyril Diabate who sets things up in that flowing sort of – Doesn't throw a wide variety of punches. He does it overhand right and a good left hook. But if he hits you, you're fucksville. You're going out.

And he does it in training a lot too. It's not like – so he's developed a way that works with his body type, with his style of fighting and with his wrestling ability. He's developed a way. You can't sleep on that. I thought that was a very interesting first round really to see what kind of – how the fight shapes up and whether or not John takes him down. If John gets on top of him and wears him out. That's what I was wondering. How would this play out? kind of uh what how the fight shapes up and whether or not john takes him down if john gets on top of him and wears him out yeah you know that's what i was i was wondering like how would this play out and would he get clipped coming in yeah you know and dan henderson clips you i don't

care who you are you got a really big problem on your hands and that is a career changer it is that shit's a career changer you know like when he out Fedor, everybody was like, holy shit. That's it. I mean, look, people have beaten Fedor, and Bigfoot even stopped him in between rounds, but it was a brutal, slow beatdown, whereas Dan Henderson's was sudden and violent as fuck. He ducks under and clips him with an uppercut under his armpit and just starches him, just stiffens him up, and then boom, boom. A couple hammers to the side of the head and it's over.

I mean, when Dan gets you hurt, he fucking jumps on you. And they're never the same. Never the same. A lot of the guys Dan Henderson fought, I think it was, I mean, Crow Cop probably beat the career out of Vanderlei. But after, in my opinion, after the Dan Henderson fight, when he lost his belt in Pride, that was pretty much it. Vanderlei was never that old Vanderlei again, ever.

Ever. I think Krokop beat the crew out of him. Krokop's head kick KO. First of all, when they first fought Krokop, Krokop beat his body up with some of the most vicious fucking left kicks to the body. Remember that footprint, his ribs. His whole ribs were lit up. But he was so inexperienced that his timing was a bit off.

He was worried about the takedown. They even instilled some weird law or rule, rather, where you can only fight on the ground for like 30 seconds or some shit. Yeah, it was a mix K-1 thing. Remember those old mix K-1s with pride? And the rule was that if no one got knocked out, it would be a draw. So it wound up being a draw. So it wound up being a draw. But in the second fight, you saw Crow Cop where he'd have quite a few MMA fights and quite a few days in the gym working on his sprawl and his takedown defense.

And that was when he was in his athletic prime. At his best. He was at his best. And when he fucking shinned him in the head, man, like, oh, Jesus. And you saw Vanderlei just go backwards with his arms up in the air, completely in dreamland. You're like, whoa, I didn't think we'd see Vanderlei like this. When you see enough fights, especially with somebody with a long career like Vanderlei,

or even Cro Cop, any of the guys, you can always say one fight, where you kind of go, that was it. You know what I think with Vanderlei? That was the high point for him. I think it's Mark Hunt. Really? I think Mark Hunt hurt him, and he lost that fight. We thought he won that fight.

I thought he won that fight, too. I thought he won that fight. Yeah, I thought he won it as well. But it was a close fight. It was a close fight. But Mark Hunt hurt him. And he lost that fight where he thought he won that fight. I thought he won that fight too. I thought he won that fight. Yeah, I thought he won it as well. But it was a close fight. It was a close fight. But Mark Hunt hurt him. Knocked him down a couple times. I think Mark Hunt took some of the wind out of his sails.

Really? Because Vandele always thought of himself as a striker. And that was the first time he faced a guy who was like a ridiculously pedigreed striker. K-1 Grand Prix champion. And Mark Hunt, when they were standing, Mark Hunt was putting it on him. And I think Vanderlei realized in his head, like, I'm not even close to the best striker on earth. And I think that fight shattered his confidence a little bit.

Without confidence, a guy like Vanderlei can't do anything. Yeah, because that was the first fight where we saw him consistently not able to do what he wanted to do with his stand-up and getting teed off on. He got tagged a couple of times. Relied on his takedown a lot. Yeah. Which we never saw him do before that. He tried to turn it into an MMA fight, and we thought from Vanderlei that he would welcome a brawl.

But he did not welcome a brawl with that guy. And I think that was one of those fights where you look at a guy operating like Vanderlei did at so many RPMs. The folks who have never seen Vanderlei's fights, his name's spelled Wanderlei, W-A-N-D-E-R-L-E-I. And he was like a ridiculous... The Axe Murderer was his nickname. Yeah, the Axe Murderer. Aptly named, yeah. Is it Peretti that nicknamed him that?

I think so, yeah. Peretti had a bunch of great nicknames. Yeah. But whoever it was that nicknamed him that was perfect because he would fight like a murderer. He would just come charging at you like a fucking animal. He scared the shit out of everybody. He was the most aggressive guy ever in a sport that's unbelievably aggressive.

From an aggressive camp. Yeah. Shootbox was in for that, and he was like the poster boy for Shootbox. Yeah. When he was in his prime, he was insane. If you want to watch him in his prime, watch Vanderlei Silva versus Quinton Jackson in pride. When you see Vanderlei Silva versus Quinton in the UFC, he'd already been flatlined a couple times. Crow Cop had KO'd him.

Dan Henderson had KO'd him. A fighter can only take so many shots to the head. There's only so many you have in you. And Vanderlei eats up a lot of those in training. Vanderlei in training is going full blast. That's the problem with sometimes that shoot box mentality is you use all your juice up training, sparring with guys. This is, you know. Yeah, they would KO each other in training.

It's ridiculous. They had a bet to see who would win a fight for a pit bull. Vanderlei wanted to buy a pit bull from Shogun, and Shogun, you know, wanted too much money or whatever. I've heard this, yeah. They fought. Vanderlei knocked him out and took his pit bull. He knocked his friend out for a fucking puppy. That's shoot box, man.

And even to this day, Shogun even talks about that kind of training, that they don't do that anymore. That kind of training is bad for the athletes. So Shogun is not participating in that kind of training as much anymore. I think hearkening back to what we were talking about, it's a sport of athletes now. There's that, the intelligence of we are professional athletes and I want to have a long career to make money.

It isn't so much the pride of the martial artist like it used to be, which has its ups and downs, but part of the good side is they're athletes and they think about their career and they think about the long term of training and rest and that wasn't always a factor, needless to say. That's also the most important aspect of MMA for progress and then thinking about the long term of training and rest, that wasn't always a factor, needless to say. Also, the most important aspect of MMA for progress is analysis.

Analysis, objectivity, and intelligence, focus, dedication, hard work, and techniques. Having all those in place. You have to be able to analyze what you need to change and what you need to adjust and what you need to put in and what you need to take out. That's all technique. That's take out. That's all technique. That's being technical. That's being intelligent. And when you get to a point where you're ultimately technical, like a guy like Anderson Silva, whose technique is so evolved and so far behind or so far ahead of everybody that he can do

nutty shit like stand with his back up against the cage and go, come on, come on, come fight with me. And Stefan Bonner was so far beyond his reach in terms of technique that Anderson can get away with that kind of shit. He'll stand right in front of you and dodge your obvious punches. It's craziness. There's a point every fighter goes to that you don't want to go. It's a dark place you've got to face sometimes to know here's the best and here's where I am. Yeah. And I'm not there and I'm never going to be there.

And that's how it is. And you see there are a lot of fighters. The whole point of fighting any athletic competition is to go, how good can I be at this? How far can I get with everything I get? There's a point where you go this far. The Anderson Silva's the best and he's making me look like an idiot. I am this far below.

That's a hard thing to see. Because it's physically, you know, like everyone likes to say, you can do anything you set your mind to. Yeah, sort of, unless Jon Jones is setting his mind to doing it too. And then... He ain't doing it alone, dude.

Guess what? You might not be able to do it because Jon Jones might fuck you up. You know, you could say, well, you want to be the champion, you can go and set your mind. Jon Jones is setting his mind to it too. He's way ahead of you on the physical curve, and that physical curve is so real.

If you don't have the physical gifts to go along with the dedication and the athleticism and the training, most likely you're not going to be successful anymore. We live in a different era now. It's not as simple. It's not as simple as the old days. But the key to getting anything out of martial arts is to maximize what you're personally capable of and maximize your human potential. It doesn't mean that everybody who gets into martial arts has to be a UFC or a Bellator champion. That's fucking stupid. That's crazy. So to think that it's sad that someone can't make a career as a UFC fighter it's sad that someone can't make a career as a

ufc fighter no most people can't make a career as a ufc fighter not everyone can be champion right maybe you can maybe you can't maybe it's a combination of you need to be prepared from the right point in your life in the correct way and managed in the right forms of competitions you experience defeat and you experience all the benefits of facing adversity or you might not you might hurt your back you know you might you might fuck your knee up and you can't compete anymore but you have to take whatever energy that allowed you to get very good at martial arts and use that in some other way and learn and let you develop tools you have a whole arts, and use that in some other way and learn. You've developed tools.

You have a whole box full of shit that you've developed through overcoming adversity that the average person doesn't. And you can apply that to anything you want. Your sporting life is six to ten years if you are real lucky. Unless you're a Josh Barnett. Unless you're a Josh Barnett. Or a Vitor. Vitor knocks out Bisping, and he started out 97, 1997, and he's still at the top of the game.

It's amazing. A long prime. That's 13 years. And he's a striker, which is even crazy. Crazy. It doesn't even make any sense that a guy could be that deep in the game, still keep his chin, and still starch people on a regular basis. And because he's had hand problems, he's broken his hand like eight times.

A lot. He's moved to kicking people now. He's head kicking people. I mean, and with the same kind of speed. Known as a puncher. Yeah, it's crazy. But the thing is, your athletic prime, unless you're a Brown Hopkins or something, is generally 10 years is a long time. How much HGH has he taken?

Let's be honest. There has to be some HGH involved in there. A little testosterone cream. Throwing that out there? There's just – I don't see – Probably? Unless he's some genetic freak specimen, but it doesn't make any sense anymore. The fact that he can be athletically competitive at his age.

Yeah. I think the last guy to do it legit was George Foreman. I think George Foreman – and I don't want to cast aspersions on anybody for taking performance-enhancing supplements, but we know that they do. We know that they do. on anybody for taking performance-enhancing supplements, but we know that they do. We know that they do. It's 100% that there are certain athletes,

whether it's in boxing or in MMA or in whatever, this Lance Armstrong thing, man, drives me fucking crazy. I say that the real issue with Lance Armstrong was that he's a hypocrite and a douchebag. And he was a douchebag to the people that were riding with him, and he was a douchebag to the people that held his secrets about blood doping everyone i've spoken to who's dealt with him yeah terrible human being he's a cunt so we we all say that lance armstrong is a cunt but why is he illegit and the other guys are they legit like if you take away his title who wins that thing is there no winner of the tour de france you know they couldn't find

anyone they couldn't what happened was they went down they had all dope too yeah so they went all right so there's no winner for these seven they said for the year 2000 you had to go all the way back to 10th place to a guy who is this uh italian dude who had never been accused or uh thought of as a doper and never tested positive. Tenth place. Tenth place. You have an illegitimate sport, man. And you know what some doctors say? Ready for this? They say that it's healthy to take EPO and to take blood transfusions

and to take human growth hormone and take testosterone if you're going to do something like the Tour de France because it's unhealthy to do it without those things. You're telling your body to go way beyond its normal limits. Yeah, way beyond. Come on. You're telling your body to go way beyond its normal limits yeah way beyond come on you're telling your body to go way beyond its normal and way beyond it's boring as fuck how about that that is you're riding a bike somebody ride a bike or what riding a bike i'm sure it's thrilling i'm sure it's great to be great to to enforce your willpower and your

determination and the the amount of time you spent on the road just pushing and checking your heart rate monitor and to know that you're beating this guy with your discipline, your hard work, and your will to win and all that good. However, nobody wants to watch that shit. You're riding a fucking bike, okay? You little kid. Get the fuck out of here. Bring, bring. Nobody's going to watch a sport where your bell sounds like this.

Bring, bring. Bring, bring. They do not have those bells on those bikes. They do. They all have those bells. They totally should. They should have baseball cards in their wheels, and they should all have those bells. Bring, bring, you're a little child, Lance Armstrong.

You're a child on a bike. What's cheating if everybody's doing it? Everybody's doing it. What's cheating? It becomes a real question. The real issue is what is allowed? Can you take vitamins? Yes, you can. Well allowed? Can you take vitamins? Yes, you can.

Well, why can you take vitamins? Why shouldn't you just get everything you need through your healthy diet? Because what are you getting out of those vitamins? If you're taking more vitamin C than you could ever get by eating food, is there a benefit in that? And what is it? Does it show up athletically? And why should you be able to do that? I mean I'm just using that as an example right well there was there was a some uh supplement that mark mcguire they found in his

locker when he was doing baseball you guys remember this and justine diane and i took that somebody an olympic athlete got banned for life for that stuff but baseball didn't recognize it as a banned substance so he was taking it he was saying i can totally take it they were called pro hormones right and this was there was a bunch of them that totally worked legit. One of them was called Mag-10, and they made this shit illegal. Dude, this was fucking steroids. It was steroids. I took it.

My nipples hurt. I got way bigger. I gained like 10 pounds in no bullshit, maybe two months. Two months, 10 pounds of muscle. I mean, it was amazing. And you got it at GNC. The only problem was when you got off that, your dick said, sayonara. My dick was like, dude, I'm going to take about a month off before I start working again.

You got inverted, son. I was like – I remember beating off with a half-hard dick. I'm like, I haven't come in like four days and I still can't get a boner. My dick was done. Finished. Yeah, it took a while. It was like at least a couple of weeks before I felt like normal again because you were so elevated that your balls were like,

what are you doing? You're like, nothing. I'm just fucking kicking the stuff I fought at GNC. But GNC used to sell that date rape shit, GHB. Yeah. They used to – the stuff that people overdose on and people throw in girls' drinks and molest them. You used to be able to buy that at GNC. Like GNC has had some legit shit there over the years.

But I never took anything that was as strong as that Mag 10 stuff. And you had to take a lot of pills too. You couldn't be even remotely confused as to whether or not you were doing something healthy because you were taking like 10 of these foul pills a day. It was like a lot of pills. I'm like, what is the oral toxicity of this stuff? What's it doing to my liver? Who cares? I am jacked. Just make you giant giant so they got rid of that that became illegal which is a

I think probably a good thing because anybody like me could just go in and buy it and like you know you don't know like if you're like an 18 year old guy and you take that stuff

like I took it for what it said to take on the package I took it for like 6 weeks or whatever it said to take but what if you're an idiot and what if you take it every day for a year

and then all of a sudden you have cancer? Your body shuts down. You have liver issues where you might have to get a transplant. The whole point of prescription medication is that a doctor tells you how often to take it and you can only take it for a certain amount of time. That's the whole point. You shouldn't be able to just buy something in GNC that can jack you. It shouldn't be possible.

It should be like buying calcium. Well, you take it. What happens if you take too much? I don't know. Your pee glows or something. Who cares? It doesn't do anything. It should be fine.

But if you take some of those Mag10 type things, you could shut your whole endocrine system down. You're done. Yeah. Your fucking pituitary glands are like, what are you doing, asshole? Your body doesn't know what to do with it. Your gonads shrink. I know a dude who is maybe in his 30s, and he cannot have a child.

He's trying to have a child with his girlfriend and his wife now. They can't have a child. And so they went to the doctor, and the doctor said, dude, you have a sperm count of a 70-year-old man. You broke your dick. You broke it. It's all broken now. Because he was all a bodybuilder when he was young. Apparently, he was gigantic at one point.

The candle that burns twice as bright burns half as long. That's it. Dude. It's not even a candle. If you make yourself do something extraordinary, you make your body go beyond its limits for too long, it comes back way lower than it went in. That's why it's fascinating. That's the natural rule. That's the way it goes, man.

To see bodybuilding change from like the – what is his name? Reeves Day? Was that guy's name? George Reeves or Steve Reeves? Steve, yeah, back in the day, yeah. Yeah, I mean they were like – they were built like – Like when you had comic books. They were built like Keith Haring.

Charles Atlas. Yeah, they were like solid, powerful-looking men, but they weren't like these weird skin-tight, vascular, freak, alien-looking dudes that you see today. There's a picture of this guy flexing his ass, and his ass looks like – it looks like ropes. And his ass looks like – it looks like ropes. It looks like someone has taken some giant like shipyard rope and made like an ass out of it. Like it's all corded and the guy has no body fat on it. It can't be healthy. The guy probably can't even walk up a flight of stairs. He's ready to die. You know what I don't get about bodybuilding?

Seriously. I don't – why the mentality of bodybuilding kind of is when is it okay i'm good because it's like fighting is my i train hard enough to beat this guy and if i did that i trained hard enough right if it's my ass doesn't look enough like a rope or whatever like when there's no clinical and the bar you can just do it yeah your bar can just go up and up and up i don't get that well you go back and look at Arnold. Arnold, who was a fucking petri dish of chemicals, self-admitted that he took steroids. And you look at it when you see him. But was nowhere near big enough to compete today.

Dorian Yates, guys like that. Yes! Giants, dude! All those guys, just unbelievably big. There's guys today that they don't even look real. They don't look real. So you look at Arnold, like, back in the day when he was, he was, like, more like a Greek god. Yeah, leaned up.

Yeah, he was way lean, but still filled with roids. Yeah. It's, like, the changing of the perspective of, like, what we think of as a big, muscular man. Like, now it's, like, cartoonish, unachievable shit. It's like you saw Franco Colombo. That's a perfect example. That is reachable, I think, without steroids. I think with great genetics or Frank Zane, even better example.

Frank Zane, he looked like a lean, athletic, muscular, well-proportioned guy. He looked achievable. He had a normal-sized neck. He had a normal-sized set of shoulders. It was achievable. Whereas a guy like Dorian Yates looked like he was going to explode. A-Moss looked like the Hulk, dude. Yeah, he just looked like he was going to explode on stage flexing.

You know what sport freaks me out? Of all the crazy shit I've seen in mma combat sports i can't watch power lifting oh because i just wait for that moment which does happen sometimes when the knee just explodes like a hand grenade man when these guys are power cleaning like just ungodly weight and your back just goes it just turns to powder like you're done I posted this when it goes bad it goes so bad I cannot watch it

it's horrible to watch any especially if you've had an injury world's strongest man on ESPN at like 2 in the morning when they're like they drop a barrel in their head they try to throw it over

the fucking cliff and it lands in their head it's so bad I posted a thread on the underground about rolfing like if anybody had back issues I was saying

I'm having some success with this just try it out and someone posted an animated gif of this kid really skinny kid and he gets into a smith machine he's got all this weight on and he curls it back to like release it and then drops straight down on his neck like he like is like knee knee is touching face and the bars on top of his neck. I don't even know if he lived. It's horrific to watch. But these motherfuckers, they post that in these threads,

and they don't even let you know if they're going to post something like that. So you, like, scroll down, and then you're like, what? And then it changes your day. Twisted. Kind of like this video. Oh, yeah, this is the video of the Bulgarian guy who was a politician. Someone tried to assassinate him. Yeah, check this out.

Yeah. the Bulgarian guy who was a politician someone tried to assassinate him check this out yeah oh my god he the gun jammed he stepped up put the gun to his face wow that guy dude that guy had some crazy eyes man I know look at this guy's eyes right here man. I know. Look at this guy's eyes. It's right here. He tried to reload it and it tried to unjam it. It didn't work. Wow. And then they played let's beat the guy up for the next hour. Oh yeah. Yo man. And look how calm the guy swats away the gun. Oh they beat him up for an hour? Yeah. They're just all these old men are just like fucking beating the fuck out of them. What are they saying? I wish I knew what they were saying.

I think the translation is kick him or something like that. Kick him. Wow. I love Bulgaria. All of a sudden I want to move. And I think this is a peace conference. I would love if they had that in America. They just start,

kick his ass. See, I would not be able to stop myself from breaking his arms. Yeah. If I got a dude's arm back there and he just tried to assassinate someone, I'm going to double or double that. I'm breaking that shoulder now.

I'm snapping your shit apart. Oh, they're pulling his pants down and they're going to shove something up his ass. I would shoot him in the asshole. Right in the asshole. Take his gun. What? You're giving him a wedgie? I would take his gun and shoot him in the asshole on TV.

I'm like, we're all cool with this, right? I'm just going to shoot him in his asshole. Right up through the asshole. How many people have died that way? Probably a lot. Like how many guys have died? What's your definition of a lot? More than a million. The time that we've had guns. Millions a lot. Millions a lot.

Millions a lot. More than a hundred? Millions a lot. That's crazy. That dude, and the old dude attacked him. Attacked him. He didn't just stand there. But he went with the push. It would have been great if he KO'd him.

How about if the old dude head kicks him right here? Boom! That is awesome. The old dude touches the gun with his left and then fucking Leota Machida's him with a right high kick. That is some great security, by the way. Whatever country that is, you can walk up to a guy giving a speech and put a gun to his head. Yeah, right. Where were they?

That's outstanding secret service. Walter PPK, a little tiny put a gun to his head. Where were they? That's outstanding secret service. Walter PPK, a little tiny-ass gun. Yeah, that's a little fucking Banana Republic right there. That is hilarious, man. If the guy shot him, he would be king. Yeah, that's how it works. All right, you got me. You got me.

All right, you're the king. And they give him the throne made out of molten swords, just like Game of Thrones. That has to be a Game of Thrones reference. Yeah. You ever see that show? Anybody? No. Never do. I never watch TV. I'm on TV every week. I never watch TV. Really? You don't watch anything?

But you're on TV for fights. You don't watch like History Channel, Swamp People. You've never seen Swamp People? Never. Dude, I just don't watch a lot of TV, man. I'm fascinated by reality shows where people live in somewhere fucked up. Like I'm fascinated by people that have to deal with nature all the time. Well, the problem is my wife's a reality TV producer.

So I just hear the back story of like all the bullshit that's not true. Oh, yeah. You know. But they really are killing those alligators on Swamp People. You can't get around that. Can I get around that? And I don't like alligators. I've never liked alligators.

Like likes an alligator? Yeah. I think that people are fascinated by all these animals, but I would just rather have them all dead. Pro-extinction is melancholy. I think they make good bags and shit, but they're cunts. They're cunty old dinosaurs. Yeah, basically. If they were everywhere, we'd be fucked.

This is my thought about dinosaurs. If we had dinosaurs roaming our streets, we'd be fucked. We don't want dinosaurs. If they were everywhere, we'd be fucked. This is my thought about dinosaurs. If we had dinosaurs roaming our streets, we'd be fucked. We don't want dinosaurs. It's cool that we know what they used to look like, but we don't want them back. Alligators are fucking dinosaurs. They eat people. There was a guy who was running... It's a great story, actually. A guy was running from the cops two years ago. He was in a high-speed chase.

Pulls a car over to the side of the road, jumps off because there's water. He's at a bridge and jumps off in the water. lands right next to an alligator. The alligator eats him right in front of the cop instantly. The guy lands in the water, shocks the alligator. The alligator grabs him, drags him under, gator roll of death right in front of the cops. It's like a goddamn Clint Eastwood movie. So in that sense, I like the alligator.

A little Indiana Jones, Temple of Doom action. In that sense, it would be cool to have a moat. If you had a big giant house and a moat filled with – but you'd want crocodiles. But then you can't trust those cunts to stay in the moat. They'll come out and jack you. Yeah, dude. You've got to provide them with – Down in Miami and Florida.

Every now and then they're in the backyard and they'll eat a dog or something. Yeah. Crawl out of the swamp and drag a little kid and drown them. Oh, yeah. Well, I lived in Florida, and I didn't see it, but I was there when a lady got her dog eaten. Snapped it right off the leash. She had a poodle. Poodle went to the water to get a little drink, and the fucking alligator was like, bitch!

That's what they do, man. Just took him right into the water. I didn't hear of a person dying, but that's just because they didn't fuck up. I mean, if you fuck up an alligator, it's not like an alligator doesn't want to eat you. They think people are kind of nice to me. It's like your reality is they don't understand that at all. They'll eat anything that stands still on their front. There's a – I was down in Louisiana and I went to a gator farm and they said there's a – they call it a one-foot rule. An alligator will eat anything a foot bigger than it is.

If you're bigger than that, it can't swallow you, so it doesn't really attack you. But if it's five foot and you're six foot, it will eat you, which is just crazy to think about because I saw a lot of five-foot alligators. I saw a lot of them. Even creepier than an alligator is the Komodo dragon. I remember there was – Poisonous bite? Yeah, it's super toxic. I remember there was – Poisonous bite?

Yeah, it's super toxic. Do you remember – what the fuck is her name from the – Sharon Stone. Yeah, Sharon Stone. Basic Instinct. Yeah, Basic Instinct. Sharon Stone and her husband. Her husband got bit in the foot by a Komodo dragon.

This dumbass went into a Komodo dragon cage barefoot with socks on. And they saw the white sock and they thought it was a rabbit because they feed them rabbits that was so he jumped on his foot clamp down is a fucking real live dinosaur it's 20 feet long okay these are the biggest lizards on the planet Earth and by the way it's got botulism in its saliva yeah it's got unbelievably toxic saliva so much so that they kill animals by biting them and then following they. They wait around until they die. Yeah. It's horrible to watch.

There's a water buffalo video where they do that. This Komodo dragon sneaks up behind this water buffalo and just gets it on the leg, just a little. And the water buffalo gets away a little bit, and then you see him like, oh, shit. And then you see him trying to get away a little more, and he's like, oh, shit. And then later on, they edit the video, and the Komodo dragon is just eating its guts, just pulling chunks of meat off of its carcass. You know, as an athlete, as a guy who trains and let's say percentage-wise,

myself and Joe Rogan can beat up 99% of people walking around on the street. Anybody smaller than me that doesn't know how to fight, I will fuck you up. Exactly. You will fuck them up, right? Especially if you're not paying attention. Exactly. Now, alligator, we're screwed. And you have a cold. We're screwed.

Komodo dragon, we're fucked. You're fucked. Fuck, you're so screwed. A shark, a friend of mine was surfing down on Huntington Beach, saw a 14-foot tiger shark. And he goes, it went underneath my board. And he's a good fighter, man. And he goes, I was like, I'm screwed. If that thing just turns that thing just turns me goes yeah i think i'll eat him i'm screwed just let me try it that is the scary part of the of the natural kingdom human beings are not designed to take on very many animals especially in our ocean man you can't even oh you can't do anything

you might be able to fight off a mountain lion if you kick him in the dick or something crazy you know you might be able to just piss him off dude you might be able to fight off a mountain lion if you kick him in the dick or something crazy. I think that would just piss him off, dude. You might be able to arm drag him, get to the back, mata leo. Yeah, mata leo. That's what it's for. Can you choke a lion for real? I don't know. But, I mean, if you scrap with him enough where he thinks it might be an issue, he might run away.

But sharks aren't going to run away, stupid. They're going to just eat you. A tiger's not going to run away. Dude, no way. He's just going to eat you. Tigers are 1 million and 0 against people. No one's ever won. They are undefeated in a fair fight.

Did you see that Natural Geographic video with the guys on an elephant? Yes. A tiger jumped. And you don't see anything. You look at all this grass, and they're looking for a tiger that kills people or whatever. And you don't see anything. Yeah. And that thing leaped.

And I've been on the back of an elephant before in India. You're high. It doesn't occur to you that someone could jump up there and get you. It flies. It slashes that dude's arm severely. Yeah, he got fucked up. He got fucked up. But he stayed on the lion like a gangster.

Or stayed on the elephant like a gangster. That thing. Well, that saved his life, dude. Yeah. Yeah, pull that video up. Because the tiger leaps onto India. It's in India. Well, let's see what happens that video will

why then the video is not that yeah national geographic is all topped with that shit i don't give a fuck pull it up whatever it is i want to see it right now let's find out yeah youtube's been yanking out you know what's hilarious about youtube youtube will take our videos down because we just started uploading them to YouTube if we use videos that are from YouTube. So that's like YouTube eating itself. I'm a little confused. It's like a snake eating its own tail.

For a copyright issue, if you use a video that you got from YouTube and then you upload that to YouTube, YouTube is like, you are infringing on someone's copyright. And you're like, wait a minute, wait a minute. That's your copyright. Your shit. It's your shit. I got it from your site. What is happening here?

Or are you kind of the snitch? Or is letting them know that there's copyrighted material on there? I don't think so. I don't think that's what the issue is. That's weird. Because otherwise they would know that it's there from them. Because they're getting it through some sort of a bot. The way they get it from you is they send send out this bot or have some program rather that analyzes all the YouTube videos and finds out whether or not there's music in them.

Right. And when it is, just this is copywritten stuff. We're not going to get sued because we let you upload that shit. So you figure once they have something that's on YouTube and they keep it on YouTube, well, that's – they've already got that. That's on their site. So if you show it on their site as well, it shouldn't be an issue at all. Right. But apparently it is.

That's crazy. It was crazy because that one song that we played didn't get taken down. The Michael Jackson one? Yeah. No, no, no. Remember the two guys dancing in the street, Mick Jagger? Oh, yeah. That didn't get taken down?

David Bowie, Mick Jagger. That's what got us? Yeah. That's what's got us, but not because of the music because I guess Family Guy had that in an episode that video

in the episode so it got taken down for Family Guy are you kidding me? they must have bought the rights to that video

if you haven't seen that it is I forgot how gay it is the gayest video ever and fucking David Bowie got

it was so bad. It was unbelievable. But I couldn't believe that anybody would think that that would be like, oh, here's the tiger. Went there to tranquilize the tiger. Oh, look at this fucking thing running. Look at this. Look at this. Look at it flying up to this guy.

One of our barbers. Jacked his arm. Namely, Mr. Siddhavan Peg was injured. Whoa, he's missing some fingers. Now he is recovered. Oh, dude, it bit his fingers off, man. You see that shit? His hand is like missing a shot.

Look, there's a shot where you don't see anything. There's some shot coming up, I think, where you don't see, you're looking at all this grass, there's nothing there, and then it just comes out, and it's like, you're done. That thing bit off half of that dude's hand. Imagine that thing coming at you when you're not that thing bit off half of that dude's hand imagine that thing coming at you when you're not on an elephant you just screwed kiss your ass goodbye it's amazing that

it gave up it bit off half of his hand and then gave up doesn't like curry look at this oh you son of a bitch look at this show racist look at it it just bites off his fucking fingers son ow ridiculous and it could have just as easily done that to his head. Oh, yeah. I mean, they are such frightening animals, man. And the amount of people in India that's been killed by them is staggering. I was in India doing a fight quest, and we were near this river, or near this stream thing.

And the guy turns around and goes, oh, I would stay away from skiing many cobras, many cobras. And I'm like, okay, I'm going to be over here. Like, cobras are like, oh, there's a mouse in my basement. Oh, there's a rat in my basement. It's like, oh, there's a cobra in my basement. How many people die of cobras every year? A freaking lot. Because they were like, I was near the stream and they went, oh, many cobras there.

Yesterday it was cobra. I was like, I am out. Out, dude. The Sundarbans is an area in India where 300,000 people over the last 200 years have been killed by tigers. I'm not even close. Since they started keeping track. When they started realizing their deliciousness. 300,000 people over 200 years.

That just makes my fucking head hurt, man. That really makes my head hurt. Like, what are you guys doing? That is a population of a medium-sized city. Yeah, that's a lot of people medium-sized city yeah that's a lot of people to give up to animals like long beach has like 500 000 people but meanwhile they're like still like try to like keep those things alive you know they work on conservation they do man they do they do they they they have like a a census team for tigers and these guys have to go

with these special helmets on with masks on the back of them because the tigers don't like to sneak up on you or they like to sneak up on you rather so helmets on with masks on the back of them because the tigers don't like to sneak up on you. Or they like to sneak up on you, rather. So they put a mask on the back of their head. These poor fucks are wandering around in tall grass. That is the worst job ever. Think about that tiger in the tall grass, how it ran. It was running through the tall grass, and we couldn't see it from above.

Yeah, you had no shot. Imagine if you're on the ground, and the grass is higher than your your head and you're there with two other dudes who have rifles. Have you heard anything? Yeah. Buddy, what is that noise? Yes. What is that noise? I hear a bunching up.

And that is it. And you see it. This is the last thing you hear. And you're like, oh, no. It's a giant orange and white monster that can fly. And I'm going to try to shoot it with a little rifle. Get off a shot before it mauls me and my friends. Rips your head off. And what would you do if it just dove on your friend right in front of you?

You would be so freaked out. Would you even be able to operate that bolt? Would you even be able to pull that trigger? Joe, your ass would be gone, bro. If I'm walking with Joe Rogan and I get bitten by a tiger, a tiger leaps out of the tall grass. Joe Rogan's out. He's doing mental math going, it's probably going to take him four minutes to eat, Jimmy. I'm saying four minutes maybe.

And I don't want to run too fast, so I'm just going to slowly walk away. How far away can I walk in four minutes is what your head is saying. You don't want to insult his intelligence either, though. You don't want the tiger to go, bitch, you don't think I know you're running? Right, yeah. It's like maybe he'll respect you more if you just actually try to save yourself and just actually run. Would you actually whistle? No.

Just like, hey, just going to back up? What, bitch? Just going to back up. Stop it, motherfucker. Just going to back up. You going to do the Diaz? I don't know if that would have you do the Diaz. I wonder if bear spray would work on a tiger, like that bear mace, that fucking hot pepper spray.

I think it would just piss him the fuck off, man. That's the last thing you want. He starts eating your dick first let's just outrun your friend the only method of getting out of a tiger's eyes outrun your friend outrun whoever you're with at least if a tiger kills you they'll just kill you there's a lot of animals that would just fuck you up like if you get attacked by chimps they're gonna rip your face off yeah they're gonna they're not they might not even kill you you might die but they're just gonna torture you and rip you to pieces. They might not even kill you. You might die, but they're just going to torture you and rip you apart.

You know a chimpanzee is seven times stronger than a human? I don't want to know that. Seven times stronger. I did a thing with a chimp once, and it was a baby. It was really weird. It was only two years old, but it was on my back and shit. He was hitting me. It was for news radio.

I don't even think we wound up using it. But the chimp swatted me on the back. I was like this little baby and i was feeling them i was like man they're so they're so seen and then i was like man i'm so soft i'm so mushy like in comparison to him like he was sinewy it's like he it's they're made out of a different thing and he was still a little sweetie you know he's like a little he would hug you and stuff and he was he was a baby basically but he was already getting ridiculously strong. I used to do a show called American Ninja Warrior, which is that thing you used to be on G4. Is that the thing where it's like the obstacle courses?

Yeah, the parkour competition. And one thing we always said, me and the co-hosts, kind of in mad eyes, we were like, God, I'd love to see a chimp go through this. It would almost be insulting, just watching chimpanzees fly through this. All these chimpanzees are falling and can't do it. Well, they did that with Navy SEALs.

Did you ever see that thing they did? They did a show. It was like man versus nature. They did a dude would sprint next to a giraffe. A giraffe would sprint. But they did a chimp. We look pathetic. Yeah.

They did a chimp and a Navy SEAL. And I think that, dude, I don't know who fucking won. I think the chimp might have got bored somewhere along the way and not figured out what the fuck was supposed to do. The animal just wouldn't be motivated. I feel like the chimp won, but I'm not sure. It's not important for us. I just feel like if they knew what you were trying to do, like, you know, like, they know. Are you serious?

Are you really trying to go as hard as you can? Oh, okay. Oh, I thought we were playing, man. Like, do you think they understand that? It's hard to motivate animals to do certain shit. Why would he go as hard as he can for survival's sake? Why would he do that? Well, you're essentially doing that.

If you're like, on your mark, get set, go. You're going with every fucking fiber you're being. And this champ is just kind of lazy, swinging along. Doing whatever he wants to do. Does he understand competition? No. All I understand is survival. If there are two people going for a, it's food.

Yeah. It knows to outrun that thing. Yeah, he might know that he has to get there faster than you to get a cookie or some shit. Yeah, you have to somehow train it to do that. Yeah, because otherwise you're not going to really see what he could do. Otherwise he would get off the fucking ladder and beat your ass. Compared to the animal kingdom, we are physically pathetic. Yeah, you're lucky that chimp doesn't just but if you want to really talk shit he'll like

why are we swinging i'll just come over there and bite your fingers rip your face off dude that was a one good thing about that the most recent uh plan of the apes yeah they were kind of realistic about chimp behavior yeah and the chimp holds that dude down and bites his finger off. Yeah. Yeah, that's what they do. That's kind of their thing. Yeah. That's the real move. Bite your finger off. Screw that, man. What a fucking creepy animal.

That's what I'll fight those things. Pull your dick off. Pull your feet off. Pull your nose off. Yep. They don't even try to kill you. At least a tiger just kills you straight away.

And they'll eat you. Yeah. Okay, so you go to some use. Chimp will probably eat you. They're hungry. Right? Chimpanzee, they're not meat eaters. A chimp will probably eat you. They're hungry. Right? Chimpanzees, they're not meat eaters. Oh, yeah, they eat monkeys.

A chimp? Yeah. What size chimp would eat a monkey? You've never seen that? I've never seen that. You've never seen that? You've got to see this. Pull up...

Oh, I've been around orangutans. I'm thinking orangutans. I'm not thinking chimpanzees. Pull this up. Oh, yeah, I don't think orangutans are... Orangutans do not. Yeah, chimps... Yeah, chimps.

One of their favorite dishes is monkey. Wow, man. They eat them alive, man. That's what's fucked up. They don't think orangutans are. Orangutans do not. Yeah, chimps. Chimps, one of their favorite dishes is monkey. Wow. They eat them alive, man. That's what's fucked up. They don't even kill them. They try to get them like hip first. They like grab them by the body. Oh, that sucks.

They try to get me those gross stuff on Fight Quest, which I didn't mind doing. I'll eat gross stuff. It doesn't matter to me. Like what kind of shit they try to eat? Like balut in the Philippines. We served that on Fear Factor, and my Filipino friends were like, that's a delicacy. Bring it over here. It was awesome.

Right. And then, so one thing they wanted me to eat was, in Korea, they have you eat live octopus. So the octopus is fighting and trying to get out of your mouth. That's just cruel. I don't mind eating octopus. I love octopus, but I'm not going to eat something that's physically fighting me and striving to stay alive and shit. I always loved octopus sushi until I found out that most of it is cooked.

Yeah, most of it is cooked. I didn't know that. I thought they would tell you if it's sushi. They would tell you if it's cooked. Most of it is cooked. Thank you. My friend was Greek, and they cook their octopus and do all this stuff. It's amazing.

They grill it. Yeah. Octopus are smart as fuck. A lot of people get kind of bummed out at people killing octopus because octopus have like a really high level of intelligence. It makes them delicious. Yeah. Whatever it is makes them delicious. Maybe it's all that intelligence.

Yeah, but maybe they'd be smarter if they had bones, okay? Yeah. So this is – these chimps set up this – see, these are like infrared. See what's going on? It's like if they back it up, they chase these chimps down – or these chimps chase these monkeys down and cut them off at the pass. And then watch. They're all screaming while they have this. And watch how they eat it, man.

They eat this little monkey alive. They got a hold of them and they just start pulling it apart. These dudes are running to try to film this because this is like the first time that anybody had ever observed this. Back before they observed this, they thought that chimps were just eating berries. They never knew that they ate monkeys. Did you see that part where he tears them apart? It didn't show it. It didn't show it on that one?

That was a censored one. There's the same video. There's the full version of it. It's like fried chicken. He's pulling it apart. He's grabbing it, and the monkey's going like this. Oh, shit! And he's literally eating him hip first.

That sucks. They're mean yeah it sucks they're mean man they're mean little motherfuckers and they'll kick your ass well they're closely related to us yeah that explains a lot i wonder if during like the roman days they ever had human versus chimp fights i i i do have a history degree i do not remember remember reading. It was humans versus lions a lot. They would put humans versus various wild animals. When people fought against lions, would they let them use? From things that I've seen, they would have like pike-type weapons. Spears and shit?

Yeah, spear-type stuff. How fucked up were people back then? The Romans actually made the Asian lion. There was a European lion at one point, and it's extinct now. They made it extinct? They took so many of them and used them for various purposes that they're extinct. There was a European lion in South Europe, and now it's gone. This is the full version where you're going to see the chimp tear it apart.

They start screaming and yelling and making noises, And all the other ones, they run in. And watch how they're pulling this fucking monkey apart. They're just ripping this thing apart. This is a different video because this one is on the ground. The most disturbing one was the... Yeah, look at him eating that fucking monkey. The most disturbing one was there was a video of the monkey in the tree. And the chimp has the monkey up in the tree, and he's tearing apart while he's up there.

It's like, whoa. That sucks. You see the monkey's face going, fuck. It sucks. They're so close to people, their little monkey faces. You really feel bad for them. You really feel bad when it's getting its limbs ripped off. And they're getting eaten by another thing that has sort of a people face.

It's like, whoa, this is the closest animal to us? People, I think, have a very kind of Disney view of nature in many ways. And it doesn't work that way, man. It is vicious. Human beings are vicious too. Yeah, I've been talking about that in my act recently. Because someone got mad at me for not having a jacket with me. They had a fake fur jacket on.

And some woman actually said that I don't like what your jacket represents. And I was like, it's fake fur. She goes, well, I don't like what it represents. And I was like, what, killing fake animals? I was like – Yeah. And I started talking about this on stage because it really is true. It is weird.

It's crazy. Like this is not a real – it's a Wookiee. Like this is not a real animal. But the idea is that you shouldn't wear fur well do you know what happens to animals if you don't kill them if the human doesn't turn them into fur they get eaten by wolves generally speaking they get eaten alive by a wolf they get ripped apart guts first they chew them apart and then they eat them. And they eat their feet, and they eat their head, and then they shit them out in a big

knot of fur and hair and shit. And that's what happens to you if you don't get turned into a jacket. Like our idea that these beautiful, within creatures are then taken and turned into terrible things that people wear, and it's a

gaudy representation of our cruelty. Okay, you'd rather it get eaten by a wolf? Well, the thing, there's a great book called The Omnivore's Dilemma and it's about, you know, this guy tries, you know, it's about food and where food comes from and he goes hunting and he kills a pig and he eats it and he goes

he goes, I felt bad and then I realized, because he wasn't a hunter guy, like, you know, I kind of grew up, my family hunts and stuff, and he goes I felt bad and then I realized because he wasn't a hunter guy I kind of grew up my family hunts and stuff and he goes the death that pig died instantly which is a way better death

than it's ever going to get in the wild ever by some animal either tearing it apart or it gets old and gets some disease and rots from the inside

breaks a leg that's a comparatively pleasant death or by the way it gets eaten by pigs how about that if you're fucking if pigs are hungry and a pig dies they'll just cannibalize the fuck out of you. It's a cruel world.

They'll eat people too. It's a cruel world. Many times people have fallen into pig pens and been eaten by pigs. They found a farmer recently. They don't know if he had a heart attack or what happened, but they were looking for him. They found his fucking clothes in the pig pen, ripped apart and covered in blood. Yeah, that's a pig. Pigs can go fuck themselves.

Every pig. Yes. Oh my God. Yeah, that's a pig. Pigs can go fuck themselves. Every pig. Oh, my God. That's one of the greatest. You know? That guy was an awesome bad guy. Feed them to pigs. Bricktop. With his fucking crazy glasses.

This is shit. Hence the term greedy like a pig. With his tea. Drinking his English tea. Yeah, that was a great fucking movie about English gangsters and fighting and pigs and such a romantic thing. It's kind of a funny thing. Have you met Jason Statham? Yeah, yeah, yeah.

I met him at USC. He's had a lot of fights. He was in Affliction when I did the Affliction fights. Yeah, he loves fights. He's one of those dudes that plays – Nice guy, man. Very, very nice guy. He's one of those dudes that plays the same cat in every fucking movie.

Over and over. I'm Brody and the kick ass. He's like this Parker movie that looks like every other movie he does. You know, there's some people, there's some actors, man, who just find that niche and go, all right, I'm always going to be that guy. I'm just going to play that guy for however many years. That's it. That's it.

I'm not diversifying. I'm just, this is my niche. I'm going to run with it. Yeah. Eddie Bravo was going, you know what's important about him though? He's an action hero. He's a sex symbol. And he's bald.

He goes, we need more of that shit. Touche. Touche. It was really funny. It's true. He's like the first guy with a receding hairline in years to pull that shit off. Oh, yeah. I wonder how he was like, how did he do it?

But other guys couldn't do it. You know, like Burt Reynolds couldn't do it. Like, why didn't Burt Reynolds realize that he couldn't do it? I've been shaving my hair for years. I don't like my hair. I just don't like my hair. It has nothing to do with any – like I have curly hair, so I don't like it. I do.

Maybe it's the godfather. Now, when you have curly hair, how does that affect the pubes? Absolutely. Brian, you'd be an expert on this. What? When you have curly hair, how does it affect the pubes? Are they extra curly? I don't know.

Do they – you know, because your pubes are almost always curly anyway if you have straight hair. Like my hair is pretty straight, but my pubes are quite curly. No significant difference. No significant difference. No significant difference. Black people got it weird with the pubes. It's like, wow, that's craziness. Did you see Django?

Yes. Jamie Foxx is junk, exposed to the world. He's about to get his nuts cut off at the end. Oh, that's right. Remember that? Yeah, they grabbed him and they were pinching his nuts. You think those are real or were those like- You know, I've had like 10 people ask me that.

They think those are real and we're walking out of the movie and I'm like, probably? That was scary shit. Unless he had some particular objection. Oh, yeah, every dude was holding his nuts in the theater. By the way, very realistic. That's what they used to do to people. Yeah, they did. They did.

It sucks. That's really fucked up when you really think that that was only a couple hundred years ago. Yeah. Yeah, really ridiculous. It's like, really? Yeah. Not even. Not even 200 years ago.

Really? What the fuck, man? Yeah. Like, what a wacky fucking species human beings are. I have, my grandfather was really, really old when I married my grandmother. He was like 50, in his mid-50s and she was 17 when they got married.

Whoa. Yeah, my dad's dad. So my dad's dad was born in like 1880. Whoa. His parents could have owned slaves. That's my great-grandfather.

Wow. Now it's weird because there's this big age gap in my family, but my great-grandfather could have been in that movie. Were they from America back then?

Kentucky. They've been in the hills of Kentucky for like forever. Now my family was poor as shit, so probably not. Maybe they had a cheap slave. My family was Kentucky. They've been in the hills of Kentucky for like forever. Now, my family was poor as shit. Maybe they had a cheap slave. My family was poor. My family was like sharecropping. Not the plantation-owning family in my family, no.

Kentucky's a strange place, man. You're telling me? It's so strange that they call it the Cincinnati Airport, but it's in Kentucky. Yeah. They don't want to call it the Kentucky airport because Kentucky's got such a low opinion. People have such a low opinion of Kentucky that they call the airport the Cincinnati airport. My dad's from there, so I can say it. But it's in Kentucky.

That is hilarious. It's like you land in Kentucky and they call it the Cincinnati airport. And then you have to drive to Cincinnati. And like, why are you pretending this shit is going down in Cincinnati? Like, you have a border and this is your border. But I guess the land was cheaper to put a fucking airport in Kentucky. Must have been. And then they just said, let's just call it Cincinnati Airport.

Fuck it. That's ridiculous. Yeah. Well, it's because there's a massive insecurity with that state. That state has always thought of banjos and, you know. Did you see that same movie, Lawless, with the moonshiners? You just shot a little buff in there? No.

Good? That's my family. Oh, really? Yeah, it's about moonshiners and stuff. Your family was like Bo and Luke? Big time moonshiners and You just shot a little buff in there? No. Good? That's my family. Oh, really? Yeah, it's about moonshiners and stuff. Your family was like Bo and Luke? Big time moonshiners. Well, my dad always told me, and it's really true, and I've carried this with me a long time.

He goes, people idealize country life. It's violent as shit. It was really violent back there. People had a problem. He killed the other guy. He buried him in the woods, and that was it. That happened all the time. It was happening all the time.

People think this is this idyllic country stuff. He goes, the people had a problem. One guy disappeared, and that was the way it went. The beef to go back 50 years and stuff, that's where my dad's from. Did you see that movie Winter's Bone? I have not. I heard it was good, though. It's that chick from The Crying Game or The Hunger Games, rather?

Yeah, yeah. Crying Game. Crying Game is one of the guys who has a dick, right? Yep. Girl has a dick. Yes. It's a really fucking creepy movie about the South, about a guy who turns up missing, and then the police are looking for him, and they, you know, I don't want to give away

any, but it was a really fucking good movie. And about that, about how, you know, this is our idealized view of, oh, just good old country folks. Yeah, there are a lot of people smoking meth, and there's a lot of people that disappear. Yeah, happens all the time. And you're not're not gonna find them either by the way no it's fucking crocodiles out there and there's you know i mean how many look drop a body off in the everglades how are you gonna find a body in the everglades if you have terrible terrible luck some alligator hunters will come by your floating corpse yeah and. And then they'll call the cops.

But most likely, they're going to eat that thing. You're done. The stories I saw in that movie, I was like, God, my dad told me these exact same stories about his cousins and shit. Really? Yeah, it's violent back there. Isn't it amazing, too, that all that shit came about back when alcohol was illegal? That's where all that – That's where everything came from.

Yeah. All that organized crime, Al Capone type shit. That was the birth of the criminal empire in this country. It was the fact that they were suppressing people and keeping them from having booze. Yeah. It's true. When society and laws don't match, when something is socially acceptable and it's not legally acceptable, there's a problem. Yeah. You know what I mean?

It's just whenever you have that disparity, when socially it's not a big deal and legally it's a big problem, that's a problem. Yeah, it's unavoidable. People are just like, fuck you. Yeah, gay marriage is illegal in California. Nobody in California really cares. It's not – like the laws lag behind what people really find socially acceptable. That's always going to happen. Yeah, it's interesting gonna happen yeah it's interesting isn't it and you know when it comes back to mma the fact that it's still illegal in new york city disgusting in new york state

drives me fucking crazy and that it all comes from a corrupt union and it comes from the culinary union trying to strong-arm station casinos in a going union it's it's crazy shit ridiculous and people drive to jersey and watch shows it's crazy it's crazy's crazy that it's legal. You're not saying anything. You're losing a fuckload of revenue for the city, too. Millions and millions and millions of dollars. I mean, can you imagine if they had like an Alistair Overeem versus Cain Velasquez heavyweight title fight in Madison Square Garden? It'd be awesome. Holy fucking shit.

Holy shit. It'd be crazy. It'd be awesome. But they can't have kickboxing. So Glory could put on a big event a big kickboxing event in madison square garden kickboxing is legal it makes no sense at all no doesn't make any sense yeah i mean it's it's weird it's it's it's weird that that kind of corruption is still so transparent and still right in front of everybody and still you still

get politicians to say nonsensical non-sscientific, not fact-based shit about the sport. And because of the fact that most people are ignorant of the sport, you can get away with saying stupid, ridiculous, non-scientific shit and you don't lose your job. What the fuck's his name? Whatever the guy's name is, the one main – I don't even want to mention him. The main guy in New York that's constantly talking bad about MMA. The guy that's been paid off by the union.

That guy is wrong all the time when he describes it. He doesn't sit down with anybody and have debates on it about the safety aspect of it, of what tests involve and how it compares to other shit like NASCAR racing or football or all different things that we accept that have shown to cause death and horrible injury. And that's just a part of life and competition. We're fine with that. But for this one thing, you're telling everybody that they can't do it.

You're telling everybody why. Are you being paid by the culinary union? Yeah, you are. Well, what the fuck? It should be, get the fuck out of here. Everybody should go, you're fired. First of all, it should be on the front page of the news. Did you know that this guy has this opinion he's being paid?

His opinion is not scientifically based. It's ridiculous. It doesn't support the opinion of his constituents. And he's being paid by this union that is trying to keep the UFC out of New York. You'd be going, well, you've got to get that guy out of office. That guy's a fucking scumbag. He's corrupt. But it's still going on.

A loud lie is stronger than a fucking scumbag. He's corrupt. But it's still going on. A loud lie is stronger than a quiet truth, unfortunately. In the age of the internet, these motherfuckers. That's the way it works, man. So what's next for you guys? You have King Moe this week.

King Moe this week. Is it Thursday night? Yes, against Premislaw Myciala, which sounds like some kind of bacterial infection, something he might have picked up in Vegas. Premislaw Myciala.

He gives him a burst inside of his balls. And then Karl Amasu versus Ben Askren. And then we have the start of a 170-pound tournament. That Ben Askren guy, man, that guy is a wrestling fool. Dude, sticks to his – he just takes you down, takes you down, takes you down, takes you down, takes you down. You can't stop him.

Boy, you got to have to figure out how to have like a Marcel Garcia-type ground game to deal with that guy. Damien Maia, something like that. Yeah, maybe. Yeah, maybe. But other than that, his grappling, his wrestling is so fucking good. He can just keep holding you in positions you don't want to be in. Yeah.

He's great in scrambles. It's just his wrestling ability and his technique in wrestling. It's so funky. If you found an Olympian, and I remember watching Ben when he was in the NCAAs, wrestling in Missouri, and the Olympics. I remember watching Ben, and his style is so funky that even if you found an Olympian and went, okay, this will be my training partner. Get ready for this. He's not going to wrestle like Ben Astor. He's just weird shit.

When everybody goes to the right, he goes to the left, and then he goes under you. What is going on here? Yeah, exactly. And he's deceptively strong and you see that a lot like guys who like physically they look like these beasts and he locks up yeah exactly to the moon and you're like and he told me and everybody keeps telling me the same thing and if you're gonna fight ben you have to understand you're gonna get taken down you spend some time on your back yeah they make this like line in the sand where douglas lehman told me he goes i i felt so good i was like there's no way this guy's gonna take me down and he threw me and i went oh shit

it's gonna be a long night dan hornbuckle told us he said i'm gonna stop his takedown for two minutes and then i'm gonna eat his ass up he couldn't stop it for 10 seconds and they just mentally kind of give up because they go shit i was supposed to stop this i can't stop this at all you have to accept i'm gonna be on my butt at some point in this fight. I think he's very important. I think those guys are very important to the ultimate goal, which is to figure out what is the best way to approach any situation. I think if you look at the kind of textbooks that they have available now in football, where they've got every fucking play documented,

they have all these variations on the plays, different things that have changed during plays that have made them more successful or errors that were committed during these plays, and they have it broken down in a real scientific, professional way. And I think for a guy like Ben Askren, I think that exposes this new level of wrestling ability,

this really unusual Olympic-quality wrestling that nobody seems to be able to deal with. Okay, you have a problem. How do you solve it? What is it? Is it another wrestler? Is it a kickboxer? Is it a guy who's got a nasty guard like a Shinya Yoki-type guy who lets him take him down

and then just traps him? What is it that you have to do to get past that style? Because that fucking style, whether or not you think it's boring or not, a lot of people think it's boring, it's super effective. And the reality of a fight is that what is effective is what's good. And someone's going to have to figure out how to stop that. And it's super important to have a guy like that, a guy who can do shit to everybody that no one wants them to do to them.

And the thing is, is that, you know, Damian Maia, I know before he fought Weidman, he said, I'm the best mixed martial artist I've ever been, and he lost. Like, it's almost like when he started becoming a mixed martial artist, he kind of got away from what made him good, and he started losing fights. And Ben never does that. Ben goes, I'm a wrestler. I'm going to take you down. I'm going to ground and pound you. I'm going to use my jiu-jitsu. Ben goes, I'm a wrestler. I'm going to take you down.

I'm going to ground and pound you. I'm going to use my jiu-jitsu. He says, I'm getting all these other skills, but I'm going to take you down so you can stop me. He almost never gets away from that mentality of a wrestler. But his strength is the takedown. See, that's the key to that description. Damian Miles is not a strong takedown guy. I mean, he has done some things like when he hit that lateral drop on Chael Sonnen and wound up triangling him.

That was a beautiful takedown. But the reality is he could not take down Anderson, so he's got whooped on for five rounds. Yeah. Or at least three and then two rounds of chasing him. Right. But you watch that and you see the two of them move around. You're like, you know what? I don't see any scenario where Damian Maia can take down Anderson Silva unless Anderson's injured.

I just think Anderson's takedowns, his defense is too good, his speed is too good, his technique is too good, and his striking is too fucking scary, and your timing is going to be off because you're going to worry about eating a flying knee that you didn't think anybody could ever reach you with. Anderson reaches him with a knee in that fight. There's a flying knee that he hits damian maya with where he leaps halfway across the fucking octagon and connects with his chin and you're just like how did he get that far like it doesn't even make sense it's like a michael jordan type jump where you see him jump and you go how the fuck did he cover that much distance carlos newton the timing of his flying

knee yeah carlson coming in pride yeah cleaned his ass caught him clean and that was after getting really dominated on the ground. Carlos mounted him. And Carlos really was eating him up in the ground game. But it's that combination of the abilities is what makes Anderson so fucking spooky. Yeah. He can defend himself on the ground.

And then when you get to standing up with him, oh, look, you're in deep shit now. He can do shit to you that you can't do to him. And his ability to evade physical pressure. You see that Bonner tried to do it. Yushin Okami tried to do it, kind of put physical pressure on him, and he's so elusive and evasive. That's the hard part is that you try and kind of pin him.

You're not going to get him, and I'll pin him down and make him feel the strength. Hard to do. Yeah. Only Sheldon did it effectively. We need a guy in that division. Like, Vitor was a real threat before that fight. You're like, well, you know what? Vitor has some fucking serious hand speed.

He's put knuckles to a lot of dudes. And, you know, anybody that stands in front of him and he catches him with that same blitz he hit Vanderlei with or Rich Franklin or Akiyama. You know that he could do that to anybody. But after that, after Anderson knocked him out with a front kick to the face, you're like, okay, well, who's scary for him now? There's no one scary for him right now. Maybe Weidman.

Weidman's a beast. He's a tough guy. Weidman's well-rounded and physical, but he doesn't – you don't go, okay, this is the tool he's going to use necessarily like he's a tough dude it'd be his wrestling i have to be his wrestling it'd be beating him up once again or submitting i'm trying to submit him yeah and he's fucking cock strong like that why i've been totally it's a big boy has a real struggle to get 85 but we're talking about you have three divisions i think in the ufc 170 185 and 205 where the the battle to see who gets the title shot is a lot more interesting than the title fight itself, because you have dominant champs in those divisions. Yeah, well, I'm really excited about a few different fights at 170, but I'm really excited

every time I see Johnny Hendricks, that fucking dude. Dude, he's a beast. He is just lit. He's hitting on you. He's hitting dudes with these punches where you're like, what, they're like, is there like a stun gun at the end of his hand or something? What's happening? If only he could wrestle. Oh, wait, yeah, okay.

Shit. Well, not only that, the thing that people don't know about Johnny Hendricks is his fucking jiu-jitsu is ridiculous. He taps people like crazy in the gym. It's just he hits so hard that he doesn't even fuck with that when it comes to a fight. He's a scary dude. I think he's got the skill set to really give GSP problems.

Yeah, exactly. If there's one thing I think might be his kryptonite is when you put it on GSP, he tends to go, oh, shit. He tends to have that backup button. He goes to his takedown. He goes, okay, and goes to his takedown that might not be there against Johnny Hendricks. That's why he might have the capability to actually give GSP some trouble, which no one has so far. If GSP can take down Johnny Hendricks, people are going to be like,

get the fuck out of here. How is that guy doing that? He could. He could. His timing is awesome. Struggle with Jake Shields. Struggle with Jake Shields. Jake Shields really didn't.

I mean, granted, he did get poked. John Fitch took down John Fitch. I mean, he took down some good guys. Josh Koschek. He fucked John Fitch up on the feet, though. He had him hurt from punches. Fitch is another guy that's like, man, what heart, what determination. But his physical prowess, his athletic ability lags slightly behind guys like GSP.

And that's like I know he's worked hard on that. That was something that he looked at after that fight and tried to improve upon. But how much can you improve upon how much of a mesomorph you are? Yeah. You look at a guy like GSP, especially after he came back from his knee injury and he started doing gymnastics. He's fucking jacked. Dude is swole.

Strong as shit. And amazing timing. Great timing. Timing between striking and grappling. You never know what the fuck's coming. He mixes it all up. He's not predictable. And he's smart.

And he's always in shape. And after that Matt Serra fight, he's never going to fuck off again. He fucked off one time. He gets starched. And you realize, okay, you've got to take every fight 100% serious. That was the wake-up call. Yeah, you have to be a professional. What do you think about Junior Dos Santos and Cain Velasquez?

What did you think about that fight? I thought Junior Dos Santos got years beaten off his career. Yeah. Honestly, I looked at that, and I'm going, please, Cain, just hit him hard enough one time for him to stop this. Because there was a few times the ref was going, give me a reason to stop this fight. And Dos Santos, to his credit,

I don't want to say stayed in the fight, because he wasn't competitive, but didn't go down, didn't get finished. But it would have been better for him if that had been stopped in the second round. Quite honestly. He got beat so bad. But when you go back to the drawing board, if you're Junior Dos Santos' camp, and you go back to the drawing board, he got taken down, he got beat up on the feet, he got outworked,

his cardio wasn't there. So it's kind of like, okay, we have six things we've got to fix. He got beat up on the feet. He got outworked. His cardio wasn't there. So it's kind of like, okay, we have six things we've got to fix. It's not like he took it. Like when he knocked out Kane, they could go, Kane, keep your damn hand up or whatever. I know he had a knee injury. But there are things you could fix. There's a tweak you can make. There are about seven tweaks they've got to make to Junior Dos Santos after that fight.

That's not easy. The latest is that he's going through a divorce. And that's why he was not in the right frame of mind. But that didn't make any difference to what Cain did to him. Cain was a monster that night. He was a monster. He dropped him. He cracked him with that right hand.

That's the super aides back there. You hear that shit? Yeah. Trying to stay away from him. That's the exact opposite of what Junior Dos Santos and Cain Velasquez have in life. Right, exactly. You're super aides. You're the polar opposite of those guys.

Lil' Esther logged into her Amazon on my iPad, and so now I've been adding all these things to her wish list, like black anal beads and dildos and sex messages. Oh, what a sweetheart you are. What a good guy. While we're here talking about fights, you fucking freak me out. I know, God, dude. That's weird.

Sick. I was almost bummed out sick that alistair over in pissed hot because i really wanted to see that fight okay let's talk about that i want to talk about this we talked about steroids before yeah okay and the tone of the conversation everybody said what you just said right now god he pissed hot we're not gonna see that fight the tone wasn't that dirty cheater at over no one got on their moral high horse about it. Everybody just went, God damn it. No, we're not going to see that fight.

Well, it was just such an exciting fight. Everybody wants to see that fight. And it confirmed what everybody always suspected about Alistair. You're looking at me like, how is it possible? How is it possible to get that big? Well, then Paul Harris just pissed hot. You know? And the other guy we were talking about was just ridiculous physique.

He just pissed hot. Remember when Vitor got into the UFC were talking about was just ridiculous physique. He just pissed hot. Do you remember when Vitor got into the UFC? He fight at heavyweight. Yeah. Like the muscle was glued onto him. It was like 240 at one point. 240, man. Now he's 185.

185. Your frame holds. All right. I walk around. Okay. I walk around like 185. Dude, that's 35 pounds. It's ridiculous.

Think of that. That's 50 pounds of muscle, dude. 85 to 240. That is ridiculous. What is that? That's ridiculous. That's 50 pounds of muscle. 85 to 240. That is ridiculous. What is that? That's crazy. That's 55 pounds? Yeah. That's insane. 55 pounds of muscle that doesn't belong there.

That's insane. And he gasped against Randy. What? That's insane. Come on, dude. It's a backpack with 50 pounds in it you can't even imagine. 55 fucking pounds. Of muscle. Muscle. I'm having a hard time believing that.

But it's true. Yeah, when he fought Randy, he looked like a lion. It was unbelievable. His neck. His traps were so big. His head looked like a zit on top of a mountain. Yeah. That's what it looked like.

He was gigantic back then. Yeah, 185 is the right weight class for him. It is. Well, he never had knockout power at 205, right? Yeah. He could stun you with his then. Yeah, 185 is the right weight class for him. It is. Well, he never had knockout power at 205, right? He could stun you with his speed, but at 185, he hits you once and you don't know where you are. And he never had that at 205. He's like a blitzer, but him training now down in Florida with that Black Zillions team, Vitor has always been a sensational athlete.

And being with the Black Zillions, they got that Henry Hoos guy who's really technical, Dutch-style striking, and that guy's the one who's been training all those guys. It's with Tyrone Spong and Alistair. I think that that's going to be really good for Vitor to elevate the technical aspect of his game. Because you saw in that fight with Bisping, he still got ridiculous abilities. I mean, that fucking left high kick, that was very quick. Yeah. You know, since 1997, you know, fighting from 1997, now here he is in 2013.

I mean, we're talking about almost a 20-year fucking career. Right. And the guy's still landing high kicks like that. It's ridiculous. Yeah, it was amazing. He's got incredible physical abilities. His problems have always been, A, psychological, mental. Getting him mentally into the fight has always been hard.

There's been fights where he's looked, the second Randy fight, for example. Yeah. Third Randy fight. We didn't even look interested. The second fight at 205 in the UFC, he didn't even look interested in that fight. He looked mentally beat. That's been his problem in the past. I think he's had a lot of mental issues, and hopefully he's getting over those.

Yeah, I think he's adding more dimensions to his game and that's that's awesome certainly gotten better at it yeah he's certainly gotten better he's certainly you know he's he could though conceivably challenge anderson and make things very interesting if he could avoid getting cracked again like he did you know and and you know he could i mean you look at like the their scrap on the ground where he was throwing these wild punches none of them landed on anderson man what if one of them did it could have things could have been and that's a big what if obviously but it's things could have been very interesting because it was uh it was it was quite a go until that front kick landed to the face yeah amazing how many dudes are throwing that now isn't it

everybody's throwing it dude everybody's throwing it, dude. Everybody's throwing it. Nobody threw that before. Everybody throws it now, but they don't set it up properly. It's kind of like the whole reason it works is that not a lot of people throw it, and you're not looking for it, and then it comes right up through the guard. Yeah. But people don't set it up, and they throw it by itself.

Well, it was the perfect technique to use against Vitor in that circumstance, too, because Vitor had to close the distance on Anderson to use his hands. in that circumstance too because Vitor had to close the distance on Anderson to use his hands. So he was like more inclined to move forward and more inclined to not give up ground. And boxers are really heavy on that front leg. So he's kind of leaning over that front leg and that's what happened. And so he probably thought it was coming to the gut. I'm just going to tighten up real quick and just get pushed back a little bit.

And boom, it hits him right in the chin and you go, oh, what a highlight reel shot anderson is just a fucking dude's whole career it's just a series of highlight real shots you know freak yeah it's it's cool to have a guy like that around though i remember when he beat hyoto sakura yeah that's how freaking old school old school i am never went takahashi uh was it takahashi that caught him caught him in a in a triangle? It was... Takashi. Daiju Takashi. Takashi. Caught him in a triangle. With shoes.

Triangled him with shoes on. Yeah, and then of course... Daiju Takashi was considered by some at the time the best grappler in Japan. Very good grappler. Just underrated. Super, super technical. Came at the wrong time. Could never really get it all together.

And then that Ryo Chonin flying heel hook that he caught Anderson with. That was one of the most insane moves of all time. Joe Lozon loves that. He dives that. You've won some fights with heel hooks. Didn't you submit Jason Chambers? Yeah, I've been in with an inverted heel hook, yeah. That's a nasty technique.

Yeah, dude, it's bad. You can't tap quick enough. Yeah, dude. I looked at him and was like, are you? Okay. Yeah, that's not a good one. It's not a good one at all. That rips your shit up.

Chews your meniscus up. Sometimes guys don't come back from that. Especially meniscus because the inside's all fucking. Oh, they got to put a cadaver meniscus in there. It's bad. Do they do that now? They use cadaver meniscus? Yeah.

Really? Yeah. They started like stuffing. Stuffing dead people's. Dead people's. I have a cadaver ligament. Really? One of my ACLs. But it actually becomes a scaffolding ligament really one of my acls they but it actually becomes a scaffolding it's kind of an interesting thing they do really science is

amazing isn't it medicine what they put you back together again i have both my knees put back together again but the right one they use a cadaver the left one was a patella tendon graft so what it is is the cadaver graft it sits in there and then your body starts building cells through it it works as a scaffolding oh okay your, and then your body starts building cells through it. It works as a scaffolding for your body to kind of replace all the cells in it with its own natural cells. It actually becomes stronger than the initial ACL that got blown out once it's fully, completely healed. I have, thank God, no knee problems. That's amazing.

Yeah, well, I did lose a minor stabilizer in my knee when I was fighting James Wilkes. Like an MCL? No, no, no. On the sides of your kneecap, basically. These two tendons that kind of like button your top and bottom bone together. And mine just popped and just came off. So you don't have one now. I don't have one there.

But a doctor told me, he goes, it's not a major stabilizer. You're fine. It's a funny story. I was fighting James Wilkes, and I'm going for a knee bar on him. And we're rolling around, and I hear this loud pop come from my knee. And James had really good Muay Thai, and I went, I can't stand up limping. Right. Period.

So I'm rolling for this knee bar, and I wanted it anyway. But in my head, I went, well, either I get this knee bar or I'm pretty screwed. So we're rolling around. I'm rolling around, rolling around. And I get this knee bar, and I crank it, and he taps. And I stood up. I went in the raised man, and I walk out of the cage, and I got a couple steps, and I can't walk anymore. And I went, if all the adrenaline I have in my system, I can't walk right now, this is really bad.

I mean, I couldn't get to the car. But they never surgically? No. Did they repair that one? I guess they can, but I guess it's a big deal, and they're like, well, you'll be all right. And it's never given me a problem since. So it's just healed up in like three weeks.

Everybody I know that trains has something fucked up. I'm very lucky. My neck. For me, it's my neck. It's the one. The only shot that ever

I'll stop sparring is when I get hit on top of the head. Alright, we gotta get out of here. This is three hours into our conversation, dude. We could do this

a hundred thousand fucking times. If we start about MMA, we could do this forever. I live in Culver City, man. Am I from LA? We're going to bring peace to the MMA world because there's a separation between Bellator and the UFC. Everyone thinks that we have to be enemies.

I don't get it. We say bullshit, man. I don't get that at all. We'll sit down and talk some fucking fights. I don't get that at all, man. It's good for everybody. Joe Logan's the man. It's good for the business.

It's good for the sport. It's good for everybody. Joe Hogan's the man. It's good for the business. It's good for the sport. It's good for the enjoyment. Like, the idea that you shouldn't enjoy the UFC or I shouldn't enjoy Bellator is ridiculous. Stupid. But I want to thank you for being the guy that I enjoy the most when it comes to commentary. And when I watch you, like, when a referee does something stupid and you yell at him, and when a guy's, you know, going for something and you call it, and, you know, I think you do an awesome job.

And it makes watching fights very exciting for me. I really appreciate that. That means a lot to me. And I want to say that Joe Rogan basically blazed the trail for everybody like me in MMA broadcasting in the kingdom. I got lucky. I came along and I didn't have to worry about losing that gig because I had another gig so I could talk shit. Works out well. It worked out well.

We all got lucky. Thank you, everybody, for tuning into this podcast. that gig because i had another gig so i could talk shit works out well worked out well we got all we all got lucky uh thank you everybody for uh tuning into this podcast we'll be back tomorrow with david cho and our buddy yoshi and then uh wednesday will be the return of rick ross rick ross back in the house bitches new new pieces of evidence in the investigation and he has a new trial date rick ross the real rick ross not the rapper and rick ross is selling t-shirts now that say the real rick ross is not a rapper because we told him to do that on the podcast and he started doing it so he's making money off of a fucking scandal ladies and gentlemen uh follow jimmy smith on twitter it's jimmy smith mma and you got a website nope no i don't even have a business card bro good for you i am fucking love it i'm new i like

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We'll also be back tonight at 12.30 a.m. in the morning with Ensign Inouye. Chuck Liddell is bringing him in here, so we'll see if we can get Chuck in front of the microphone as well. But Ensign Inouye, if you don't know, old-school MMA legend, like one of the original pioneers. Went toe-to-toe with Igor Vovchanchen. One of the craziest fights of all time. We'll have to play that tonight. And he also is doing a lot of tremendously heroic work

helping the people of Fukushima. He goes back there to these terrible radiation zones over and over again, bringing them aid. And he's just a cool motherfucker. And I'm honored to have him on the podcast. So that's going to be 12.30 am in the morning all right are you dirty fucks all right we love the shit out of you and we'll see you soon as joey diaz would say stay black Bye.