The Little Dum Dum Club with Tommy & Karl - Episode 37 - Lawrence Leung

Episode Date: June 22, 2011

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Hey mates, welcome once again to the Little Dumb Dumb Club. My name is Tommy Dasolo. Sitting opposite me is my co-host Carl Chandler. G'day dickhead. How you going over there? Yeah, I'm alright. I've had a good week already. Can I just say this very quickly?

Please. It's only Tuesday so it's early days. Yeah, yeah. You're calling it this early on in the week. Don't date the podcast. This could have happened whenever. This could be Christmas Day. This is what happened to me yesterday.

Tell me if this is a cool thing, because I think it's a cool thing. Yeah. I went out the front of my house. I got a tram stop out the front of my house, and I never know when a tram's coming. And I went out the front, and I could see it coming, and I ran after it. And the people on the tram could see me running after it, and they're all cheering me on, almost. I'm running, and I could see it coming and I ran after it. And the people on the tram could see me running after it. And they're all like cheering me on almost. I'm running and I just miss it.

And I just miss it. And three people got up on the tram and started pulling the thing and going, oh, stop, conductor man, whatever. And it just didn't happen. And I'm standing there looking like an idiot going, oh. This car pulled up in front of me, this old car. The guy flung over a door and goes, come on, mate, let's catch it. Oh, that's cool.

And I jumped in and we chased it for two suburbs. Really? Yeah. And did it get to that awkward point where it was like, you're clearly not going to catch the tram and you go into the guy, you may as well just take me to where I'm going. And not only that, but it's fun for the first suburb and then you're going, oh, if this was near the Ballingolo State Forest,

this would be an entirely different tone to this story. That's how it started. And the car was full of power tools and stuff as well, so it just started to linger a little bit too long. And I'm like, you could just turn down a side alley at some point. See, that had a good end to it because I was sort of ready to call bullshit on that story early on because it sounded like a bit of selective memory.

The part in your memory where everyone is on the tram cheering you on kind of sounds like that didn't happen. Maybe one person at best. There was a couple. There was a couple. Okay, okay. Hey, that cough off, Mikey, I've gotten sick too. Oh, right.

So it's a hive of illness in here. I looked it up yesterday. Apparently I have a whooping cough. Oh, yeah. Maybe because I did gigs in Brisbane just over the weekend and the first night I did a gig, the guy from the comedy club who was driving me around was like, yeah, I've just gotten over whooping cough. I've just had that. And I'm like, oh, well, I'm going to come back sick, so that's good.

Right. Yeah, well, I read about it yesterday. It was in a weekend magazine. And what I learned out of that article was I have the power at the moment to kill a baby by just breathing on it. So there you go. It's like updating my CV as we speak. Awful version of X-Men. Well, so we're both a bit, our voices may be both a bit kind of under the weather.

Yours is sounding more like a man. Closer to a man. Yeah, yeah. But I don't know if, it wouldn't be a little Dumb Dumb Club if we didn't address iTunes reviews. All right. I don't know if you saw this, a new one. Right.

And he said it on iTunes and he said it on our Facebook page, some bloke reckoning that Carl Chandler sounds just like Dr. Andrew Rochford. Is that good? You know, the doctor dude who made the film 7pm Project. I don't remember his voice though. I don't think you sound anything like him. Really? Yeah, no.

Okay. So, I don't know. I don't know. I like the idea because he's like a silver fox and everyone loves him. But they're not saying- And on that Offspring episode, that woman was fantasizing about him. So maybe... She does a lot of fantasizing, though.

I don't think that's... Yeah. Maybe she could be on the new ad when she's in the bath playing with herself under the bubbles and just thinking of my voice. My girlfriend hates that show because those ads always come on when she's sitting around watching TV with her parents. And it's just a bit of her fidgeting herself in the bath. It's a bit full on.

But every episode does seem to start with some sort of sexual fantasy. Maybe that can be our first big TV break. Maybe in the third season of Offspring there can be an episode where she's fantasising about being interviewed on the little dum-dum club. Hey, mate. Oh, yeah. See you, mate. All right.

Well, we should get Andrew Rochford in here and do a voice-off. Yeah, do a voice-off. Put a bag over both of our heads. Terrible idea for a podcast. Yep. Our guest today in the studio, you may have seen his ABC series Choose Your Own Adventure. He's got a new show on at the moment called Unbelievable on the ABC.

Our good buddy, Lawrence Long. Yay! Hey, Dickheads. How are you? Oh, yes. I know. That is a man. I was just fiddling with myself under the table during the start there.

Thank you. Two callbacks in two seconds. Go for three. Zing. Denied. Do women masturbate that much? Because that show makes it seem like women are just, you know, it's part of your morning ritual when you get up before you go to work,

before your cereal. just rubbing one out. That's the best opening question we've put to a guest yet. I posed it to Lawrence like he knows the answers. As a young doctor. As a young, yeah. Yeah. Well, look, let's get straight into it. You know, a lot of our listeners may be familiar with you from your ABC shows and your stand-up

shows, but listeners may also know you from a few weeks ago, guest and friend of the show, John Safran came in here. And we should say that this saga has kind of played out outside of these hallowed walls, but there hasn't been really- We're not talking about in the car park, you know, up to 10. No, no. But we haven't really addressed it on this show because a lot has happened. So what's happened? Well, basically...

What happened was John Safran went to town on everyone that was in the media when he was here. He went Tom Ballard, he went Lawrence Sloan, and then, yeah, he just had a pop at everyone. And then that spilled on Tom Ballard. He's done everyone. You've named two people and gone, yeah, so as I've mentioned. Yeah, everyone was cheering me on Tom Ballard. He's on everyone. You've named two people and gone, yeah, so as I've mentioned. Yeah, everyone was cheering me on on the tram. Then Tom Ballard, it tested him. It tested him to see if he listened to the show.

It took him about four weeks, I think, to listen to the show. Then he rang up in indignation and then covered it for, dragged it out on Triple J for about three weeks, hasn't he? Yeah, he texted you, didn't he, when he heard the episode? No, he rang me up. Oh, right. Okay. Yeah, and so it turned into a thing where he was playing little bits of the show we're getting

played on Triple J. Yep. And he was trying to start a war with Saffron and get him to answer the charges. And sort of, I guess, coincidentally, Lawrence, you've had this show coming up to promote. Yeah. So you were in there promoting the show. Yeah. And then I played some of the clips of Saffron unleashing it on me.

Yep. And then- Oh, your mother. He also kind of went your mother. Yeah, he went my mum as well. And your nerd entourage. Your poor little nerd entourage. But the weird thing is, is he thinks that I'm sort of against him or something like

that, and then he invites me on all his shows. I've been on radio with him almost like four times now. I was hosting breakfast with him. Almost four times? Well, is it really radio? It's one of the kind of like late night radio thing that he does with Bob and Bob. Oh, whack, whack. You're saying his show is not radio.

All right. Saffron's in next week. No, he invited me onto that, and then he invited me to co-host breakfast with him the next morning. And, yeah, in the morning he said to me, so the whole thing's just, you know, a bit of a gag, a bit of a joke. He's not really part of the comedy world.

So when he went on your podcast, not knowing what it was, he said, oh, it's a comedian's podcast. Which comedians do I know? And then so he just went on a bit of a diatribe, just making up stories. And to be fair, we told him the mics weren't on, which may have had something to do with it. So how did you first become aware of his words against you? Oh, I follow you on Twitter.

Uh-huh, yes. And I think you were talking about how, oh, John's lost a few friends after Dumb Dumb Club or something like that. So I thought, oh, that's interesting. What is he? Oh, it's me. And Tom Ballard. And he was also saying that he kind of like started a fake rivalry as well with Sam Simmons and

he was perturbed as well. Right. Oh, I'm going to get that one. Does he like working at Triple J? Because he just seems to be doing everything he can to get the boot out of the ABC building. Yeah, I thought it was all part of some sort of elaborate Saffron-esque kind of prank. Maybe he's just creating sort of an experiment and seeing how he can sort of alienate people and see how they'll play back.

How he can turn the comedy community in on itself. Yeah. Yeah. I thought it was quite funny because he sort of said a few things about my mum and stuff like that. And I was like, because he's got that like a race relations website that's called Race Book. And because in his show he likes to try to pick up, you know, Asian women, he had a gag

where he had a picture of someone who was supposed to be my mum. And, you know, she was saying, like, why are you asking me out or something like that? Like he's, like, face-talking my mum. And I remember at the time his director, who knew about this Facebook site, said, you know, what do you reckon? I thought that was the funniest thing ever. So I was never perturbed about the whole thing. Right, right.

And then I bumped into him at some event somewhere and he came up to me. And actually, I came up to him and said, hello. And he said, oh, I've just sent a Twitter saying that you're snubbing me. I went, oh, cool. And then he introduced me to his friend, his lady friend. And then after that, he took a step back and took a photo of us

and then retweeted that as, oh, now he's being all charming trying to pick up my friend, but you introduced me to it. And then at the end, I was like, hey, we're talking about Pixar films and having a great time. And I said, we're going next door to the bar. Do you want to come for a drink? He said, no, that's fine. But I'll see you on Twitter.

So he had sowed the seeds for like a fake rivalry quite early before he was even on the Dun Dun Club. Wow. Yeah, right. Almost two steps ahead, Saffron. Yeah. Wouldn't this be great if we just now, like next week we had Safran on, and then the week after that we had Ballard, and then the week after that we had Lawrence again, and we just

kept cycling through the three people, and you could all just, you wouldn't even have to communicate in the outside world. All your communications, the three of you between each other, could just be within this studio. Yeah, instead of, I'll let you know on Facebook, I'll let you know on Dum Dum. Yeah. I've got something to tell you, but just listen to it in two weeks. Yeah, see you on the Dumumb Dumb Club, mate.

Dumb Dumb Club's kind of like a teenage girl. We're all kind of like doing the gossip through you. Yeah, it's a gossip girl, Dumb Dumb. It's a year 11 common room is what it is. We're all sitting at the back just... So he was all right one-on-one when you did... Because you co-hosted Triple J Breakfast yesterday or today? Yeah, with John.

Yeah, it was fine. We were just mucking around, having awkward banter in the morning. It was great. I can imagine after the other week. No, it was all. We were just, you know, mucking around, having awkward banter in the morning. It was great. I can imagine after, yeah, the other week. No, it was all a good bit of fun and I think the whole sort of war on saffron thing

that Tom and Alex had done, you know, kind of ended with this, you know, rap battle that they contrived at the end of last week. Contrived! Yeah, so if you're interested

to hear how that played out, you can, I think it's on the Triple J website. Yeah, yeah. He bits and pieces of that. They got three weeks out of it and we got, what, one episode out of it? Barely one episode. We've got ten minutes out of it up the front of this.

I'm watching the timer crawl on going, come on, can't we string any more out of this? Ballard's an arsehole. Yeah. There we go. Next week. So you guys probably just had in mind to see if Ballard was actually listening to the show. Well, that was part of it. But, like, it's made me, you know, it got us a bit of publicity.

Our listeners certainly went up as a result of it. So now, maybe that's the trick. Maybe we just need to slag more people off on this show. Yeah. Who do you want to, do you want to, Arch Nemesis Lawrence, do you want to call someone out here today and make a new rivalry? Oh, jeez. Someone in the media?

Who would it be? Who would you make an enemy of? Someone commercial radio. We've gone the ABC. We've got exposure there. The Sandman? Do you want to go The Sandman? I used to be on his show, actually.

You did? Yeah, in Siberia Tonight. Oh, right. Yeah, it was fun times. Too close to home. Sorry about that. What about Flacco? Do you want to go Flacco? He was probably on the same show. Was he on the same show? He wrote for it, but he was uncredited. Oh! Wow. What's the deal there? I don't know.

Like a Rolling Stones secret gig in Melbourne. Yeah. Secret Flacco jokes. Oh, wow. What's the deal there? I don't know. Like a Rolling Stones secret gig in Melbourne. Yeah. Secret Flacco jokes. Oh, who would I have as a rivalry? Oh, yeah, I've got to think about that one. That would be great. Someone in the media. Someone not too big.

I was going to say Carl Sand. No, too big. What about Jules Lund? Too big. Jules Lund, is that a good one? Oh, yeah. He's too big. Is he?

Is he? Is he too big to have a rivalry with his son? Yeah. So if I need a rivalry, it has to be someone who's equal to me. No, no, I'm thinking of like a saffron equivalent. I'm thinking of... Maybe someone from Hungry Beast or something. Oh, yeah.

What about Dan Illick? Dan Illick. Okay, there we go. Friend of the show, Dan Illick. Oh, that Dan Illick. Hungry Beast, more like Hungry Dickhead. Another person who claims to be an avid listener of the show Which this will now put him to the test Right

We've sowed the seeds for a month's time And we can drag him in here That's good And have you Bring your A-game, Elick Have you rat battling on a very special episode of Hungry Beast? Yeah We're going to run the media in this town soon.

That's great. That's great. There's not enough very special episodes anymore, are there? Yeah. We need to do a, like, you know how people used to do, like, an episode in Australia, the Facts of Life Down Under? We need to do Dumb Dumb Up Over or something. Let's go somewhere.

Well, we tried with Canberra, but that didn't really eventuate. What about, like, something where, what about we do an episode where it's all a dream sequence? Well, you know what we need to do? We need to do a Maribor episode. We need to drive to Maribor and do it. Can I say this? All right, let's, we'll get back to serious stuff, but I want to bring this up because this is breaking news.

It's not breaking news when this comes out, but breaking news. There's been a massive article on Maribor. I come from Maribor. I come from a very small, listeners of the show know this. I feel like there needs to be like violins in the background or something. So I come from this very small town called Mirabar, 8,000 people in central Victoria. Today, and we go on and on about it on the show, it's a weird town. You go on about it.

I do. Well, you're curious. I'm curious now. Yeah. There's a massive article in The Age today, basically the point of it is to say, Maribor, what a crap hole. Just like one of the worst towns in Victoria or Australia. So The Age, clearly not listeners of the show. No.

As they would know otherwise. Well, maybe it's being broached by, maybe there's staff writers that listen to the show and start to look into it after what I've been saying. What have we had? Tales of a man having a horse being electrocuted or something. What was the horse? Had his head cut off. Had his head cut off.

Yep. A man bringing a cheeseburger into a funeral. Yep. And doing donuts and doing burnouts out the front of the funeral. Burnouts out the front of a funeral. Yeah. Hey, that makes it sound like the most exciting town. Exactly.

Yeah, but it's one of those things that sounds better when you're away from it. When it's happening in front of you, you're like, this is, I don't want to be here. So that's what Maribor is. You don't want to be there at the time. But once you move to Melbourne, it sounds hilarious. Yeah. So- Mate, tragedy plus time.

Yeah. Equals Maribor. So there's a big- That's the postcard. Yeah. There's a big article in the paper today saying how bad it is and how everyone's living below poverty line and it's a horrible place and it needs to be remade and all this sort of stuff.

So it's like we're in the news, but we're never in there for the right reasons. It's always the worst reasons. So I'm sort of thinking maybe, like I've brought Mir I've brought Maribor into the public eye again via this show where hundreds of people have been listening to us. Now, I think, you know, we could do what I've mentioned in the show before and make a, you know, like a tourist campaign, you know, playing on the strengths of Maribor, the weirdos. Let's do it.

Yeah. Let's go down there this weekend. Now, what I've done, and I think I've mentioned this before, is I finally got a hold of this list that I made years ago with my friends. We made this big list of every weirdo in Maribor with all the nicknames that we gave them. So obviously number one is Sunshine Johnson. But if you want, I'll go through some of these guys,

and you can tell me which ones strike your fancy. Here's all the weirdos. So we chime in when we hear one we like, and you'll give us the back story. Okay, cool. Steve Hold These is a guy we used to call Steve Hold These. Now, I don't want to jump too early. That has piqued my interest. Yeah, already that's tell us the story.

Yes. Well, yeah, there is a story. That was a guy where we had friends that were about to punch on at the squash center in Maribor. It's good already. Sports to punch on at. Yeah. In the reception. It's good to know there's a cultural sports center in Maribor.

They had an argument over who was going to pay for the shuttlecock or whatever. Yeah. Oh yeah. No, I don't know what it was. It's, it's gone into the midst of time. It's like a pool table. You have to put like $2 down on the side there. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That's, that's started many a fight. No time. It's like a pool table. You have to put like $2 down on the side there. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

That started many a fight. No, these two guys were about to fight. And this one mate of ours turned to the owner of the squash centre, whose name was Steve. And as these guys were about to fight, they puffed out each other's chests and squared up to each other. And our mate took off his glasses, turned to the squash court owner, and went, Steve, hold these.

And then went into battle. And we were like, that's your name from now on. Steve, hold these. And when we worked, me and my mates, when we worked in England for a while in a factory, we would. Hang on. This is an episode of the Carl Chandler archives. You in the UK working in a factory. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

We worked in a factory that made the pay TV cards That would go into TVs Into the little machines or whatever Yeah, yeah Sky, the Sky machine The Sky cards So we would work in this factory And we worked night shifts

So to get to three in the morning We had to keep each other awake Or not go crazy And we would have competitions As to who could say Steve Holdee's The loudest in the factory And we'd be just screaming Stephen Holdies!

It's like the mature equivalent of the penis game. Yeah, yeah, exactly. Yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly. All right, so that's one. Okay, how about one more, and then we'll save some for future episodes. Oh, no, we'll go through a couple, because I don't have full stories on all of them. It's not like that.

I'll go through a couple. Leopardhead, he's one of our favourites. That's pretty self-explanatory, I think. He had a head like a leopard. I'll be honest, I was hoping for some kind of freak accident where he's had one grafted on. Or he had a really fast head. Yeah, you would see his head and then you would see the rest of his body.

Or maybe you could never change the spots on his head. Okay. No, it's not it. He had a head like a leopard. Looked like a leopard. It looked like a leopard. Okay. Sea urchin.

Another one. He came out of the water one day and looked like a sea urchin. Old bottle opener, except it was pronounced old bottle opener. This girl in our high school that looked like her head could open a bottle. So all of these nicknames are about heads. People's heads in some way. Well, that's the thing that you see. I think you and I, Lawrence, I think we've cracked the code here.

We've cracked the pattern. Yeah, yeah. All right, one more. Oh, there's one more. If you can find a non-head-related one, that'd be good. Ah, look. Not on the first two pages. Sorry, folks.

Well, Carl, what did people call you? Yeah. I don't know. What did they call you? Changa, you've mentioned, was a nickname. Yeah. Well, these are all things that, to be honest, a lot of these people didn't get called these things to their faces.

Yeah, right. Probably so. So basically what you're saying is if you were living in Maryborough at the same time as Carl. Yeah, you'd have to get Leopardhead and Sea Urchin in on the show to see what they called me. Yeah, that's it. So send us an email if you want to give us Carl's nickname.

Yep. And I'll do this one to finish off the head-related ones. This guy's called Half a Dozen Head. Have you ever heard of people being called... Is that a common thing or is that just a thing we... I don't believe that it is. There was this guy, he looked... He fully looked like the monster in The Goonies.

Like the guy that was locked in chains. Sloth. He looked like Sloth in The Goonies. He's the guy who goes in chains. Sloth. He looked like Sloth in the Goonies. He's the guy who goes, hey, you guys. Yeah, yeah, yeah. With the chains and shit. Well, his name was Half a Dozen Head because he didn't just have a forehead. He had a half a dozen.

He had a six head. His head went way back. So he looked like a Lego piece. Yeah, he looked. And not only that, one day his house was right next door to the high school and he came in blind and he was walking around in the grounds not being able to see. And we're like, what's wrong? And he goes, I've just been welding, but I didn't have any goggles.

So his eyes crusted over. But he still went to school. He lived 20 metres from the school, and he went, no, I'll still go. I can't see at all, but I'll rock up. I'm in year nine. Who could make fun of me? He's committed. He's committed to learning.

So you go, there's five. There's five from the Mirabar list already. You guys should so do a podcast down there. Yeah. No, you know what should happen? Because this is what your show's about. You tackle the weirdos, the psychics, the UFO people. You've got to do a Mirabar episode.

Oh, that is unbelievable. That would be unbelievable. The irrational and the unexplainable. Welcome. And you could explain all the nicknames of these people. They're just all heads, all head related. It'd be a pretty short episode. I've worked it out pretty well.

You look like a leopard. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So let's get on to, I mean, I feel like this has been so far the first 20-odd minutes of the show has been a waste of having Lawrence here because we've just basically talked amongst ourselves. No, about people's heads. About people's heads. We've all got them. Hey, we've all got them.

Irrelatable. We're all the same. So new show, unbelievable. It's on the ABC, 9.30 p.m. Wednesdays, and it's about – I watched the first episode this afternoon and enjoyed it a lot. Cool, on iView. On iView, yes, yes. Because it's a topic that I am actually fat, like in psychics and all that kind of unexplainable

kind of stuff. Yeah. Is that a thing that you've, have you sort of always been into that? Oh, man, I've always been into that shit, because when I was a kid, I, you know, we all wanted superpowers and stuff like that. I wanted to be a Jedi. Yeah. I watched Star Wars, and I used to always hold my hand out trying to get the pencil to fly across the table into my hand,

much like Luke Skywalker with his lightsaber. But I just couldn't do it. And I wanted to have these psychic powers. I wanted to believe in ghosts and things like that. You want to be able to see whilst having your eyes welded shut. Yeah, exactly. But the thing is, I really want to experience this stuff for myself. I don't want to believe it just because I wish that it was there.

So, I mean, it all started when I was a kid. I was always a bit of a scientific kid who wanted to investigate stuff. I've told this story before where I basically busted Santa Claus. Well, really, it wasn't Santa Claus. It was my mum and dad. I hid behind the... Hang on. What?

Oh, hang on. Spoiler alert. I wanted to find out why I was getting Christmas presents every single year, although I didn't have a chimney in my house. I thought you were going to say I wanted to work out why I was getting presents even though I was such a shit kid. Yeah. That too.

That too. And so I hid behind the couch trying to see Santa Claus arrive, And I obviously busted my mum and dad putting presents underneath the tree. Oh, really? What time of morning was this? Oh, I stayed up late. It was probably, or it would have been like past my bedtime. It's about 10 o'clock or something. Oh, what are your mum and dad doing?

I know. But at that age, that would have felt like you'd been up until, you know, September. Yeah. And I was really little and it was a big couch. So I sat and waited. And mum and dad, you and dad put the presents down. And then so the following year and the first day of school, we had show and tell and all the kids showing off their new toys

and their Christmas presents and stuff. I got up there. I didn't have a Christmas present with me. And I just basically said what my Christmas revelation was. Santa Claus doesn't exist. And all the kids were like, yeah, bulldust. Santa Claus doesn't exist. We get presents every single year, yeah, bulldust. Santa Claus doesn't exist. We get presents every single year.

Bulldust. What sort of a school did you go to? What in the 18th century? Well, places where, you know, the kids had normal heads, I guess. And, yeah, all the kids were like, no, no, we get presents every year. And I said, well, that's because my parents broke into your house and put them there. Which, you know, logical deductive reasoning.

And so that's where it kind of all came from. I've always wanted to try to find the answers to things. And even if I can't get it right, at least I'm searching. That would be awesome if you had a thought, if you had a sprung your mum and dad and gone, I figured it out. My mum and dad are Santa Claus. That's awesome. That's what you came out of it with.

That would be awesome. I do remember that weird age that you would go through at primary school where kind of, because, you know, kids don't all find out that Santa Claus isn't real at the same time. How it was kind of staggered. And I remember watching two mates of mine have this massive fight about whether Santa Claus was real or not. And one mate was like, mate, he's obviously not real.

All right, just accept it. And my mate Pete was like, nah, but like last year when my parents said we couldn't afford a bike and then Santa got me a bike. So how do you explain that? That's what I imagine. I imagine Richard Dawkins is like that as a little kid. Yeah, it doesn't exist. Well, that's a funny thing because it's not about

Santa Claus and presents. It's basically you're saying my parents are lying to me. You're saying my parents are saying Santa Claus is real, is complete bullshit. How dare you call my parents liars? That's what it comes down to, really. Yeah, and it is an awkward thing when you do kind of have that sort of thing of busting your parents for being Santa, because it's like this double thing where not only is Santa not real, but also I'm a little bit smarter than my parents.

Yeah, so did you bust them? Did you actually go, aha, or did you just go back to sleep? I did the whole thing of feeling a bit disappointed. Yeah, so did you bust them? Did you actually go, aha, or did you just go back to sleep? I did the whole thing of feeling a bit disappointed, but then as a kid, the rational thing is you still want to have the presence. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So you've got to enter into it a little bit lightly and say, so Santa Claus didn't come this year and you're giving me presents on his behalf,

or does Santa Claus not exist, which is cool, because I still want the presents. So in the end, people believe what they want to believe, there's still some sort of motivation behind it, and in this case, I still wanted the presents. Yeah, yeah. Do you guys know anyone who is an adult whose family still does Santa? I've got friends who are my age, like in their mid-20s, whose parents still, not that they believe it, but it's just a, oh, Santa got you this.

It's like it just, just carrying on. I got to that awkward teenage, like early teenage thing where it was never said, all right, everyone, Chandler family, there's no Santa. It was never said. It was like, you know, it was like talking about sex. Like it never actually happened. Yeah. You just assume that everyone figures it out. So it got to that awkward, it was probably, you know, I was 12 or 13.

It was still like, what did, what did Santa get you this year? Like they were putting their toe in the water going, oh, this, if you're taking this seriously, so are we. But if, but if you're not, I'm not either. It's okay. See, how did that go having siblings? Because I'm, I'm an only child. So I, you know, because you, you're the older.

I'd be two years in front. Yeah. So you knew, did you, did you try and spoil it for your little girl? No, I didn an only child. So I, you know, because you, you're the older. I'd be two years in front. Yeah. So you knew, did you, did you try and spoil it for your little girl? No, I didn't. No, no. Okay. I know you'd be probably surprised. I know.

You kept the illusion as much as possible. Yeah, I did. Yeah. I didn't want, I didn't want any, I didn't want my mum and dad not to know that he was real. And that's why they call you present head. Yes. Christmas face.

Um, yeah, no. Yeah, it was just weird and awkward. My mum still fills up a stocking full of stuff every Christmas, but just goes, there you go. And it's the same one from when I was a kid. It's a bit weird. I don't have an episode debunking Santa Claus, though. That's a bit too cruel.

That would be a waste of taxpayers' money. My eight cents a day doesn't want to go to that. So the Santa thing was kind of like the genesis of this kind of... Yeah, kind of thinking when I was little, because I always was interested in UFOs. I just didn't see any. Yeah. So why do people see UFOs and other people don't?

Or when you're in a school camp, this happened to me. I went to a school camp and we're telling scary stories. And of course, the camp instructor is saying how the place is haunted because some little kid had drowned in the lake or something around there. And there's noises at night and we're getting really scared. And then of course, we all went back to our cabins. And then when we heard something at night, like a twig snapping or something like that, of course, half the kids are like, oh, it's just the wind or it's just, you know, a twig

snapping. And the other half was saying, it's the kid coming back to kill us. Yeah, I've still got a bit of that. If I hear a noise in my house, I'm like, that's someone breaking in to stab me in my sleep. Yeah, it probably is though. Oh God. But why is it that when something happens, some people say it's this and other people say that.

The point is you should just get out of bed and have a look. Yeah, yeah, yeah, sure. So you did a bit of traveling for the show as well? Yep, I went to Roswell in New Mexico. Yes. That was pretty fun. I stayed in a haunted castle in the north of Scotland, allegedly haunted castle, and that's for this Wednesday's episode depending on when people are listening to this podcast

episode 2 I went all sorts of places even in a car park in Collingwood Oh really? Yes, scary How did you get the money for that? Crowdsourcing, Kickstarter Was that the last episode when the budget had run out?

Hey listen, I had to build my own puppets for this show. Oh, right. Because the budget ran out and I made a Mr. Squiggle puppet that was burying someone. Oh, I saw that. Yeah, it was an evil Mr. Squiggle puppet. That's the first one. That's funny. Yeah.

Yeah. So was that the only place you went to in America, Roswell? No, I went to Arizona. I went to San Francisco. I interviewed a guy called Dr. Paul Ekman. And you know that TV show Lie to Me that I think is on Channel 10? And Tim Roth plays this dude who can look you in the eyes and tell whether you're lying in interrogation rooms. And Tim Roth looks really surly and stuff like that. Well, there's this dude called Professor Paul

Ekman, and it's based on him. But he's not surly or anything. He's like the sweetest old jolly guy ever. And he's like, yeah, I consult on the series. And then Tim Roth kind of goes, oh, you know what? My character wouldn't do that. My character wouldn't. And this guy's like, yeah, yeah, but you're based on me. I would. I would say those things like, yeah, but it's not dramatic enough.

You get all this money for them to use your stories and then the show comes out and you're kicking a puppy and all this stuff. Oh, man. And so I interviewed him because I wanted to find out about lies and deception and can you actually tell whether someone's lying just by looking them in the eye and judging their facial reactions and things like that. So was Carl lying before about all the people in his hometown? It's hard to say.

He's looking at me now. What does this mean? It means shut up, Lawrence. To me, it looks like you're about to commit a sexual offence. It's bizarre. Look,

he's got a new face. I know. You know what? I actually just came from a photo shoot and it was like that horrible thing of, they're like, yeah, go and pretend you're doing stand-up.

I'm like, I don't know what I look like when I'm doing stand-up. I'm just telling jokes. And they're like, go on, entertain. Oh, what?

Oh. And then the bar owner in the background was like, just yelling abuse at me the whole time. Awesome. On the unbelievable thing, when I was in primary school, I for a long time had believed that I'd seen a ghost one day because we had this abandoned house next to our school that was run down. There was never anyone in there.

It was just broken windows and shit. And I remember quite clearly walking past and seeing a person in the window and then turning back and there being no one there and me going, like telling all my friends, oh, I saw a ghost. And I was sort of like that crazy kid for a week. Everyone was like, I reckon he's seen a ghost. Ghosties. Tell me.

Ghost face. Ghost head. Little ghost face. Spirit neck. There was this incident where I thought I was psychic. I was getting a lift with someone to go to uni one morning because I had an earlier morning class. And then on the way past, I think it was the corner of Rathdown

and Elgin Street, I sort of said, hang on, did someone die here recently? I felt like there's a motorcycle accident. Did someone die here? And she's like, I don't know what you're talking about, you know, did someone die here recently? I felt like there's like a motorcycle accident. Did someone die here? And she's like, I don't know what you're talking about, you know, big weirdo. And it's quite early in the morning, so I didn't think about it.

That night on the news, they talked about someone from one of the musicals in town, like the choreographer or someone, had died in a motorcycle accident at that very corner. And I'm like, there's no way I could have known that. How did I thought? Apart from the heaps of flowers stuck around the pole. No, but it like just happened early that morning.

Oh, right. Yeah, on that very day. So I just thought this is a little bit weird. I could perhaps be psychic. Yeah, that's great. And then the solution happened the following morning. My alarm went off early again. And what had happened was I had the alarm went off early

because I was going to the morning, earlier class. I'd changed the time, but I kind of slept through the alarm. So my radio switched on to the news and they just reported that incident and I must have half heard it. Subconscious head. Yeah. So after the end of like- Disappointing.

I want it to be psychic. Yeah. That's disappointing. Having done your series then, so what's your feeling like towards that sort of phenomenon in general? Are you more pro or more against after all this? I think the jury's still out and that's, I guess, what a good skeptic would say is that, you know, you can't definitively say that something doesn't exist because you haven't seen it. But the weight of the evidence you've seen so far, you haven't seen any, you know, examples of the paranormal and stuff like that. The interesting thing that came out of the show was that the people who I would expect to be like crazy and amazing turned out

to be quite ordinary, just ordinary people, good people. And the people who I thought were quite sane could turn out to be absolutely amazing when you least expect it. So you can't judge a person by its cover. For example, in the first episode, this guy was like this rational dude, but then he could drive a car with like coins gaffer taped over his eyes at quite high speeds. I watched that. Yeah, through the streets of Las Vegas.

And then at the end of it go, I'm not a psychic. I'm just a magician. I just know how to do tricks. So what does it say about people who claim psychic powers? And I guess the worst consequence out of my TV show is that now, unfortunately, I have to think that magicians are cool. Yeah. I just, I love that idea of someone going, trying that for the first time, like putting

coins over your eyes and then driving down the street. Yeah. Is there work experience for that? Like, how do you learn that? Yeah. Yeah. Like the first time you do it, you just got to do it. Like, but it's the best thing that can come out of it is you get to the end and go, I

didn't die. Check that out. Well, you could have done that with your eyes open as well. That's magic. Well, because in the show, in the episode, you're riding along with him. You're in the car behind him. How were you feeling getting into the car? Were you thinking?

Well, I was actually shooting myself because right before doing it, we stopped and stopped the cameras and stopped everything. Went, well, we got to call back home. We got to call the cameras and stopped everything. Went, well, we've got to call back home. We've got to call the legal department of ABC. Oh, right. And see if we could actually do this thing. Because, you know, what if we damaged property or, you know, got ourselves really, really hurt? And the ABC legal department asked us to ask them all these questions.

And basically, you know, are you a practitioner of whatever you would call this, you know, blindfold driving? Coin eye driving. Yeah, yeah. Have you got your license? Coin head. Have you ever done this before? Has any damage? Of course, that all came on top of because of Kath and Kim having that sketch

where they drove behind the guy with the coins on his eyes. They knew the deal by then at ABC. And the irony is that the very end sequence of my show, I did it myself. But of course, when I did it at the very last segment of my show, it's clearly a gag. You know, I've got a stunt person because the irony is that the ABC is happy for me to risk my life in a car driven by a guy with a blindfold, but not the other way around. I think what might have gone on there is that Safran happened to be interning in the legal department that day.

Yeah, do it. Get in the car. Do whatever. Maybe you'll get me precious director back. On that, you just reminded me of something that's kind of weird and not entirely related, but you're saying like, you know, are you a practitioner of this? My girlfriend has been going to an orthodontist for a little while for a teeth, obviously, and there's a certificate framed on his wall, which she always assumed was his, you know, whatever from uni,

like his qualifications. And she looked at it the other day and it says, it's something like, it's one of those joke certificates that's like, best dinner party conversation. And she's up there going, why is that up there in place of your actual medical qualifications? Jeez, he fucked up my face, but God, he could spin a yarn, hey? Man, I think your girlfriend is actually getting her teeth done inside a Simpsons sketch.

It sort of seems that way, yeah. So, yeah. So, have you ever, have you seen a UFO? Have you seen a ghost? Well, people can find out as the episodes go along. I don't want to blow my load too early, my sceptical load too early. That's a load that's not sure whether it was going to come out or not. Yeah, it remains on the fence, so to speak.

Dripping. Oh, hey, you took it there. Well, let's go back a little bit because I was reading up on you today in preparation for this and I knew this at the time but I'd forgotten it. You worked on The Chaser Show for a little bit because I was reading up on you today in preparation for this. And I knew this at the time, but I'd forgotten it. You worked on The Chaser show for a little while. You used to write sketches and stuff for them. Yeah, for Seasons 1 and 2 of The Chaser. That was great because I guess it's...

Oh, you wanted to... Hang on. You're wanting to back away from Season 3 there for some reason? What happened in Season... Oh, yeah. No, Season 3, was that the APEC one? I don't know. Is it?

Season 3 would have been their last one. Was that the Make-A-Wish one? Oh, yeah. No, season three, was that the APEC one? I don't know. Is it? Season three would have been their last one. Was that the Make-A-Wish one? Oh, yeah, that's that one. Yeah, well, by then I was... No, I'd done Choose Your Own Adventure in between, so maybe... I don't know. Can you say to make excuses?

It's fine. I know. The way you were saying it was like, so did you write the Kansas City... We're just looking for a scoop. You know, a month down the line on Dun Dun Club, kids with cancer. Yeah, we've hit our strides with controversy. It seems to get the best reaction.

So we're looking for anything, no matter how desperate we are. So what are some bits on there that you worked on that people, because that sort of seems to me like kind of an early, I guess, evolution of kind of the stuff that you've kind of come to do. Well, I did a show called Skeptic ages ago. That was my second solo show in about 2003, which was like this TV show, Unbelievable, was a spinoff of that. And that had a lot of like experiments and little, you know, funny social experiments

and stunts in that. And then I started doing a lot of stand-up comedy with, you know, slide projections and PowerPoint and where I'd sort of want to investigate something and then a week later up on stage with my PowerPoint presentation do some sort of wacky prank or something. And the Chaser guys had seen me do some of this stuff. So they asked me to write, you know, or suggest ideas for seasons one and two of the war and everything because that's the area

they were moving into. So some of the stuff I wrote, I think I remember writing one where Chas was in a suit of armor trying to go through security. I think it was an airport or maybe they went to the town hall or something. And then they always take it a bit further. So then it would be Chas jumping to a swimming pool, which has, you know, not that mine was particularly satirical or silly in any way, but they would take it to the next level, which was life-threatening.

So what was the point of him jumping in there with a suit of armor? I don't know. It was just something that was silly. Then I'd write sketches like, there was once an incident where John Howard was jogging and some high school kid saw him and went to hug John Howard. Oh, yeah, I remember that. The high school kid happened to be holding onto a screwdriver. Yeah, that's right.

And it became a big sort of security issue, like he should have better bodyguards or people shouldn't come up to him with tools and implements. So, of course, I wrote sketches about all sorts of dangerous implements and that eventually became, I think it was Rue Castle with a chainsaw, trying to hug the Prime Minister and stuff like that. So, you know, pretty silly stuff. But the thing is I was writing it from home,

just emailing ideas across. And so I never got to see whether they'll actually get made or not until when I turn on the telly and go, hey, look, that giant popcorn and Jaffa's rolling down the aisle of the cinema. Someone actually had to make the props for that. Yeah, or whether they were just getting your emails and going, oh, Lung's sent in another. Well, I'll tell you what, the amount of sketches I sent in that never got made,

I got the clear idea that they didn't like any of my Harry Potter sketches. I could not stop sending Harry Potter sketches, you know, with David Stratton in it and stuff. I just wrote heaps and heaps of sketches with Harry Potter in it. But if there'd been a man in Australian politics with the name Harry Potter, then you better believe there would have been one. There is a Channel 10 reporter called Harry Potter. Is there really?

Yeah, and he always signs off, Harry Potter, Channel 10. Oh, that's right. You just said that. Yeah, there's an old dude. Well, you've got your own show. You can do this now. Why don't you get him in your show? Just on you, we were talking earlier about the fears you were saying

of being in the school camp and stuff. I've just been away for about a week in Brisbane doing some gigs, and I was put up in an apartment that the club that I was doing own, and, you know, that's part of the deal. You come into town, they put you up. I was there with another guy who I hadn't met. Another comic? Another comic, yeah.

And I've just noticed that this is a recurring thing I have because, you know, part of doing gigs and travelling around, sometimes you stay with people that you don't really know. You end up in situations that are a bit unfamiliar. I have this weird recurring thing, right, where I just, like, so my first night there, I get in, I'm in my bedroom, I'm lying there, I'm fine, and then I just had this thing all of a sudden go over my head going,

you don't know this guy at all. How do you know he's not going to get up in the middle of the night and just try and rape you? Like what? How do you know that's not going to happen? So I got up and I locked the door behind me. And then I'm getting all paranoid thinking, well, what if he comes in here just for an innocuous reason

and he can't open the door? And then that's going to make him angrier and hence more rapier. And then I'm just going to be, I've just got no trust for people. But he could have been thinking exactly the same thing. So when he heard you getting up and locking the door, he could be thinking, is he unlocking the door? And he could be going through the same thing. He could be totally scared just like you are.

That little Tommy Daslow is going to be touching him in the middle of the night. I don't think anyone's ever been scared of me doing anything to them. You know what? Look, I don't want to play this card, this word too much, but you've said that. You've mentioned the R word. Now, this photo shoot that was on before, I was being a bit stupid, and they said, just pretend you're doing a gig,

and you're at the pub, and you're doing this gig, and you've got the mic there, you're on stage, just throw out some zingers, just pretend you're doing a gig and you're at the pub and you're doing this gig and you've got the mic there, you're on stage, just throw out some zingers, just pretend I'm the audience and go down the barrel. So I'm pretending to be a really bad pub comic. I'm going, yeah, and where are you from? Oh, you're an arsehole. And then I sort of got stuck into it, and this is what I was saying,

and it's not right, but it was just stupid to say to this guy, he's concentrating on me and I'm going, and then I raped him and then I raped you and then I raped him. And I just kept saying it. And he went for like a minute and then he just put the camera aside and went, can you stop saying that you're going to rape me? I'm like,

oh, sorry, just got to be carried away. I like how it's got to be a favour to him, not just something that you shouldn't do anyway. You know, I just want to see these photos so much. Oh, yeah, it's going to be, it's not going to be great. I think they'll all be blurry because the camera is shaking out of fear. It is the thing, I mentioned this fear to some friends in Brisbane the second night,

and a friend of the show, Henry Stone, rightfully pointed out and just went, who do you think you are? You're some sweet deal that he's going to be really wanting a piece of. Jeez, you got some tickets on yourself, but it's not even about that. It's just a fear of the unknown. It's just an only child who's been just mothered for way too long, and then I'm out in the world on my own and I just get scared.

Yeah, yeah. That's it. Just got to call mum. Mum, what do I do? I also went to Movie World, which was fun. I went to the theme park for a day. They're very linked, what you've just said there. Well, I'm just going through my week.

No, no. I mean, you've been mothered for way too long. And then I've gone. Oh, I went to see Tweety Bird. I mean, you've been mothered for way too long. And then I've gone. I went to see Tweety Bird. But it was an interesting thing going,

because normally when you go to somewhere like that, you go, you know, you're with other people who you're on a holiday with. But I went with aforementioned friend of the show, Henry Stone, who lives in Brisbane. And so we're driving there and I hadn't been there for a few years. And I'm like, heck, is this going to be movie world? Yeah. And Henry goes, yeah, I've been here like four times this year already.

Like this is just kind of a bit of a burden. And at one point we're on a roller coaster and I'm like, yeah. And he's like going, I just, this is just a burden to me. Like this is probably the worst part out of my day is like having to put up with all these visitors in town. Having to go and see the Police Academy live show. Yeah, yeah, that's it. Did you see that? No, it's not on anymore.

It doesn't exist. It's the Hollywood Stunt Driver show. Oh, they lost the franchise then. Which we didn't go. Right. But it is a weird thing where... Too pricey to get the Police Academy name anymore. Yeah, that's it.

But I mean, there are some weird franchises that are still hanging around there. Like you've got your... Lethal Weapon? Your Lethal Weapon ride. But here's... So when that ride first opened, the way that you... Still got the Short Circuit ride? I just made that up. Well, then no.

They've got this weird thing with the Lethal Weapon ride where you used to line up and it used to be this big setting like you're walking through the streets of downtown LA or whatever and you get your little video at the start, just to give you a bit of context before you go on the roller coaster like you're an idiot or whatever and you know you get your little video at the start you know your little just to give you a bit of context before you go on the roller coaster like you're an idiot or whatever now they've changed the entrance to the ride and they've pissed all that off you get no context you get no little no little opening gambit nothing it's just you just go through a little corridor and then you're on the ride it's a little bit it's kind of like a relationship you know this

you know the sex starts great you've got the foreplay, and now it's just going through the motions. Is that what you're saying? Yeah, but meanwhile, that whole other bit of it where you used to line up is just nothing. It's just a smoker's area now. So you walk down and you think, oh, this is where the Lethal Weapon ride is, and then it's a dead end.

It says, oh, go around there to get the Lethal Weapon ride, and then there's just like 20 people there having a durry. It's a bit weird and depressing. It sounds like they need to put a bit more effort in. It really does. What else have they got? Lethal Weapon. Lethal Weapon, they've got a durry. It's a bit weird and depressing. It sounds like they need to put a bit more effort in. It really does. What else have they got? Lethal Weapon? Lethal Weapon, they've got the Superman ride, which is good.

That's got a bit of context. It's like you're on a train that's gone crazy and about to blow up and Superman's pushing you along or whatever. That's a good ride. So you want a story before going on a roller coaster. If there's a Gravitron, you want to pretend that you're on a UFO first. You want a bit of context. You just don't want to think that you're on a trolley being pushed really hard in one direction.

No, no, I don't need that. But if it's going to have a name, if it's going to have a franchise name attached to it, I want something. Before you get in a taxi, do you have to watch Fast and the Furious first? Yeah, that's it. I do. I do. Well, it's like the thing, you know, when you go to the show and you go, I want the Superman show bag and then give you a bag with a couple of twisties in there and one drink bottle that had an S on it.

And that was it. You're like, hang on, what's the twisties got to do with it? There's only one thing in here that's anything to do with Superman. It's worth 20 cents. But it's green. It's kryptonite twisties. Oh, okay. Yeah, right.

That makes sense. Yeah, I'll eat those twisties that would kill Superman. Great tying into the theme. So we tried to make the Lethal Weapon ride more Lethal Weapon by, Henry was yelling out Lethal Weapon quotes. By being really racist before you go on. Yeah, well that was it. Henry was yelling out Lethal Weapon quotes, but I've never seen any of those movies, so

I was just yelling out quotes from the Mel Gibson voicemail messages, which made it more fun for me, which made it more thrilling for me. They've got the Dirty Harry bar, where you can just get nachos. Oh yeah. That classic, that classic scene. Clint Eastwood chowing down on some, uh, on some jalapenos. Do you feel lucky punk? Yes.

Yes. Have some nachos then. Good. Have some dip. They've got, uh, they've got the Wild Wild West ride. Oh really? Which ends in you in a log going down, you know, and getting all wet like a flume ride kind of thing.

And then they have the most ridiculous thing I've ever seen. At the end of that, there's a little, like as you're walking around, there's a little booth that you can stand in that you pay five bucks and it dries you off if you got too wet at the end of the ride. Wow, really? Yeah, and people were actually doing it. And you're walking around going, it's Brisbane. It's 25 degrees and the sun was out.

And also, you haven't even gotten, you've barely gotten wet at all. You've got the tiniest little splash on you. So you pay $5 for just a giant hand dryer. Exactly. That's what it is. It's like standing in, you know those things at the airport that you dip your hands into? Yeah, yeah. It's like paying, yeah, $5 to be in a giant one of them.

And they try and make it a bit fun by having a picture of Sylvester the Cat on the side, just getting air blown in his face like that, some kind of thing for the kids. Just like in Wild Wild West. Exactly like in Wild Wild West. When Sylvester the Cat on the side, just getting air blown in his face, like that's some kind of thing for the kids. Just like in Wild Wild West. Exactly like in Wild Wild West. When Sylvester the Cat started fighting with Kevin Kline. Did that happen or not? Maybe not. Maybe that happened on a tram where people were chipping at you

watching that on a DVD. I was in Who Framed Kevin Kline. But they got very dry. So that was my trip. That was my disappointing little thing. It was fun though. It was fun. I've never been to Movie World.

Haven't you? I've never been to any of that stuff. Really? No. I went to Universal Studios. Have you been to that, Lawrence? Yeah, I've been to Universal Studios. They had the Jaws shark, which has probably been there since 1977.

And it's not really looking like a shark anymore. No, it's bad. It's looking like a bit of paper mache with half its face coming off, coming out of the water. It actually looks scarier than the shark in the real movie. Oh, okay. It's pathetic. It actually looks scarier than the shark in the real movie. Oh, okay. It's pathetic. It was really unimpressive. And I had the idea, I reckon I watched an episode of Different Strokes or something

back in the day, and it was on there, and it was like, oh, wow, that'd be awesome. And then it was like, oh, that's really sad now. It's just not good. And then it goes on to the next bit, which is the psycho house, I think, where they employ a man to be Norman Bates and walk out of that house every minute on the minute to whoever's the next bunch of people. Seriously, he walks out of the house when he sees a bunch of trams or whatever coming, and he walks out and puts a dead body

in the boot of the car and then sort of starts walking very slowly towards the tram, and the tram operator sort of goes, oh, watch out, it's Norman Bates, he's coming to get us. Oh! Anyway, next up is the attractions of Fried Green Tomatoes. That's where that was filmed, just there. What happened to Norman Bates? Oh, he's walked back in the house waiting for the next bunch of tourists.

What a great gig for an actor to get, to just have to be a psychopath round the clock. Yeah, and then he walks back, gets the body out of the boot of the car, puts it back in the house and waits for the next people to come. Yeah, but a job like that would drive you to become a serial killer. Yeah. And you've got the perfect, you know, alibi because you could just be dumping real dead bodies and chuckle to yourself. It's that thing where, like, they interview the neighbours and they're like, he was such

a quiet guy. He did portray a serial killer every day, but I mean, he's never. There was that weird time when we had the annual Bring Your Mother to Work Day. Hey, guys, that has brought us to the end of the program for another week. Lawrence, thanks so much for joining us in the studio. Unbelievable is on the ABC Wednesdays at 9.30.

Yep, ABC's also on the Thursday night repeat or iView. iView, yeah. Man, you've really got no excuse to not watch it. Thanks so much for joining us, thanks so much for listening, everyone. If you're liking the show, jump on iTunes, leave us a comment, tell us other things that Carl's voice sounds like. Get on Facebook, get on the Facebook

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