The Rest Is Entertainment - Bloopers, Tribute Bands and Frozen

Episode Date: August 21, 2024

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Hello and welcome to this episode of the Restless Entertainment Questions and Answers edition. Hello, you are? Oh, Marina Hyde. I'm Marina Hyde. I'm Richard Osmond. Yes. Lovely to see you again. Lovely to see you as well, Richard.

Marina. Before we start with the questions, can I do some AOB? Yes, please. Sarah Freethy has written in. We talked last week about Katy Perry and the name of her album, 143 or 143 or 143, whatever it is. And she said, I thought I'd write because I understand you were trying to puzzle out the meaning of Katy Perry's 143. I had exactly the same question. When my grandmother passed away, we found a trove of postcards she'd written to my dad and his father in the 1950s,

which she signed off 143. Sadly, they both died before her, so there was no one left to ask. My mum, my sister and I spent days trying to work it out, racking our brains until we finally cracked it. It was code for the number of letters in I love you. She obviously hadn't wanted to write something so personal on a postcard, so decided to put it in code instead. It is our family shorthand now.

We sign off all our messages that way. That's nice. Wow, that story has presumably so much more heart than Katy Perry's new album but I love that story Sarah thank you for writing that that's lovely. Isn't that gorgeous? Yeah, 143. Yeah well we'll see what the album's like of course. But yeah it's a lovely story thank you. Could also stand across for a Mars bar. 14, isn't it? Yeah. Unlikely. Marina, I have a question. Well, Christian Brown has a question about bloopers. How expensive are mistakes slash bloopers on movie sets

to the producers or studios? Has anyone ever calculated what the most costly gag wheel is of all time? Oh, now that is a very good question. Obviously it depends on how much the thing you're making is costing, okay? And the biggest costs on almost all of these things are human. Not always. Sometimes an explosion costs a huge amount to rig, say, and so you don't manage to do it properly or it doesn't work. There's a good one of these. You know the opening

of GoldenEye where the brilliant stuntman, Wayne Michaels, who is a British stuntman, who does the bungee dive off the top of that dam. Off the dam, yeah. And at the time I think it was actually the world record for a bungee dive. But what happens is that they didn't get the shot where the rope pays out to it as very fullest and he fires a sort of grapple hook or something else out, but they didn't get the bottom of it. It's obscured by the lip of the dam at the top.

You can watch it and you'll see that they don't quite get it, but they just had to take something off the second camera and that's that because you can't possibly do it again. Because that's a huge set, that's like a three day set up and the safety things. Oh my god, and it's unbelievable and you just can't do it again and it's too difficult. Now there were other ones, there were things like in The Manchurian Candidate with Frank Sinatra in it and Frank Sinatra was a real one-take guy like literally. Two ways you can mean one-take guy which is someone who only needs one take because they always nail it or

someone who will only do one take because they want to go back to their trailer. I think in Frank's world he was both. There's a bit where he's interrogating Lawrence Harvey and when John Franklin went back and watched the rushes at the end of the day he saw that it was out of focus so he said Sinatra we're gonna have to do that again. Sinatra said, you want a second take? You print it twice. So he just refused to do another take. So the out of focus bit is in the actual movie. All the critics thought it was really amazing and it like communicated Lawrence Harvey's kind of mental disintegration, et cetera,

et cetera. I mean, let me say there's some other funny ones. There's a Tarkovsky film called The Sacrifice where they burnt an entire house down, but the camera jammed. So they had to rebuild the whole house. I mean, this stuff is so expensive. Like they had to do with that pub in the Midlands when they're... Yeah, well, I think they're still trying to rebuild the crooked house bit by bit. You know in Con Air when the plane crashes into the Sands Hotel in Vegas, they missed part of that shot and in the end the way they edit it, but they actually ended up rebuilding lots of it to do it. Yeah.

I've spoken to Wander Retro about an actor, very big actor, and they get something to their head of the way they want to do something, and you're thinking, this is not gonna work, this is not gonna be in that final movie, this is gonna look a mess, but the actor is very, very powerful, and will say, I want to do it this way.

And so you will have to spend probably half the day shooting it from every angle, all the sets of that. Eventually they'll have a look and think, yeah, no, you're right. It doesn't really work, does it? So this director was saying, you know, you can spend 250 grand just getting them out of their bad idea, cause you've got to go along with it. It's always on the big budget things that the most expensive mistakes are made because everything costs so much but another thing you'd say is

Lots of Marvel movies that don't have an act three and then they have to go back and do reshoots For sometimes almost as long as what you've originally done the original film for so that again the human cost the cost of the crew Is what costs but also if you're a sitcom then actually they're hugely monetizable bloopers. If you go online and look at the impression counts for the American office bloopers reels or friends bloopers reels, they are absolutely enormous. They're huge. And also they're kind of joyous to watch. We love them. Even if it's someone just getting a word wrong.

But you know, the scenes where people genuinely can't hold it together and they're laughing, you know on the day that will be incredibly frustrating because a filming day is a long day and we're all you know and there's other actors who are waiting in their trailers to do their scenes and you know there's just there's a lot going on and you just you cannot nail this but those things now exist forever and are highly monetizable and occasionally you'll see the odd thing with newer sitcoms where you think that's not really a blooper you've just you know people know now that when something messes up they're gonna be on a blooper reel just in the old days where you'd know that you'd be on it'll be all right on the night yeah now you think oh this oh my god I can't believe I said fish instead of dish I am

absolutely crazy and there's a little look at camera, did you get that blooper? But so in that thing where there's no big explosions or anything like that, and you can just retake and reshoot and reshoot, a blooper can be very, very valuable. For me, I'd like to see a blooper if it's a TV show. But nobody wants to see all the bits where the movie went wrong played over the end of the movie. I just agree.

Yeah. I think it breaks the world in a way. Like if you then you go to cinema and you watch the Godfather and then you watch all the bits where everyone's laughing. I wouldn't do it on the Godfather. Yeah, but you know. Like Cannonball run when I went to Cannonball run. Okay, yeah, you're right. If it's a comedy, fine. But Reynolds, and that's the first time I ever saw those sort of blooper reels and it blew my mind. That's still to this day why at the end of House of Games where you always have a post credits thing of someone getting their prize,

because I love, love, love a post credits thing. Cause it's like, it blows my mind. Even now I'm like a nine year old going, wait, hold on the program finished. They just done the credits and you're back on it. This is mental. I love that. I love it.

They do want to have a good news for you sometimes. Not often, but every time they do, I'm like, whoa, my mind is absolutely blown. I love that. Richard, one for you about tribute bands from someone called Paul LaRondie. That is a cracking name. Wow, Paul LaRondie. You're just going to have to put all of these in your books.

Yeah, Paul LaRondie. Yeah. That's Paul LaRondie rather than Paul LaRondie. Yeah. I wonder if you've had a question before from someone called Paul LaRondie, and Paul LaRondie is a tribute questioner to Paul LaRondy rather than Paul O'Rondy. I wonder if you've had a question before from someone called Paul O'Rondy and Paul O'Rondy is a tribute questioner to Paul O'Rondy. This would be deeply meta. Okay, what are some of the opinions that real bands have regarding their tribute bands? Do they see them as a positive or negative thing? I think by and large, I think it can be quite useful to keep your music out there. They have whole festivals now where you just see, you know, Oasis and the Jam and you're like, hold on. And you go, oh no, it's all the tribute bands.

But it's a fun thing to do. Tina Turner, I think once sued one of her tribute acts. There was simply the best of Tina Turner's story. And the woman who was Tina Turner was Dorothea Fletcher. And Tina Turner said, she looks so much like me. And she sounds so much like me. This is going into the realm of passing off. Oh really? Yeah and also of course she was just about to launch a big live musical, Tina Turner story. So that became an issue. If it's kind of imprint, if someone's doing a big tour and getting massive and you want to do the same thing and you actually are you, I think

you're allowed to say this doesn't seem quite right. But there's a long varied history of people in tribute bands joining the real band. And Rob Halford, when he left Judas Priest briefly, he did come back, they replaced him with the lead singer in a Judas Priest tribute band called British Steel. God, I bet he was just so much less trouble. That's the thing, isn't it? So many of the bands, you're like, okay, Spandau Ballet, you can't keep it together, but you know what, your tribute band can, so you can just see the, you know. Yeah, and this guy's called Tim Owens.

Tim Owens, the Judas Priest fan, he literally became the lead singer of Judas Priest. And the same thing happened with Journey, I think they've had quite a few lead singers Journey. And when the third one left. They've had a few people leave the band for various reasons. Yes, exactly. Listen, it's a Journey. And Neil Shearn, he was the guitarist, he was messing around on YouTube and he found

videos by a guy called Arnel Pineda, who was the frontman of a Filipino journey tribute band called Zoo, and he loved him so much, auditioned him and Pineda got the job. Yeah, he's in a journey. The best ones. Believe in magic. Are amazing. You know, the point is if you're Oasis, Oasis aren't going to play again, the Pistols aren't going to play again, the Smiths aren't going to play again. So you can't go and see that. But you can when Blossoms and Rick Astley teamed up to do a Smiths tribute.

The songs are the songs. So you still get to see them. And if you get a tribute act, you really, really know their business and they're great musicians. Then it's an amazing night out. There's always, there's loads of great, there's Fake That, there's the Rolling Clones, there's the Foe Fighters, and Oasis have got loads, there's Noasis, there's Oasis. There's an amazing band who did bluegrass versions of ACDC songs, they're called Hay C Dixie and in the end if you if you can find

their version of this and this is a departure of Hay C Dixie they did an amazing bluegrass version of Snoop's Gin and Juice which is which is well worth finding. I will see that out. Yeah there's a Yes tribute band can you guess what they're called? No. Yes that is what they're called. They're called No. There's a Scottish Iron Maiden tribute band. You have to see this written down really, but they're called Iron Maiden, but with the iron like iron brew.

There's also a band called Brian Maiden. There's the Yorkshire Bon Jovi Tribute Act. They're called By Jovi. I actually want to book all of these. Yeah, be fun, right? Yeah. Yeah. Marina Lisa Burns has a question we

talked about Mr. Beast last week and we said that you know he only uses his incredible sets once they're building these enormous things and then you don't see them again. So Lisa asks, it got me wondering how green and sustainable the TV industry really is. Are these sets for example reused, restored or forgotten and thrown away? Oh well from my laugh during the actual question, I have to say that you always see signs around saying this is a sustainable production and things like that. I mean, I remember once being on set and seeing some claim about what that particular production's use of reusable coffee cups had done for the rainforest.

And just thinking, yeah, someone's got the maths really wrong here. Because by the way, you're making television. Okay. It's the one of the worst things you can do for the planet. You go and see these sets, huge generators, the lights, everything about it is incredibly bad for the planet. And I have to tell you that very, very little of it is saved. A friend of mine worked on a film with this very famous

actress who really minded about the environment. As a result, she gave everyone on the crew a wooden toothbrush because you know it's not plastic it's like yeah you're making a movie okay. Don't worry about the wooden toothbrush this is so much worse what you're doing. You got a car in this morning as did everyone. Yeah and that's not the half of it just the creation of this piece of content is incredibly bad for the environment. Basically think about a big studio complex in the UK. You've got lots of big black boxes that need to be emptied

the minute your thing has finished, and many of them are completely full of set. So when that goes, we really would be overcrowded then, because we just live in a country full of films that very little gets kept. Some props can be kept and some things, but lots of it goes. Yeah, it's slightly different in television,

I have to say, because you obviously come back, if you have I Got News for you, or if you're Deal or No Deal, your show comes back. Yeah, and they're storing everything. Yeah, and there are big storage facilities around the country that if you go into, you literally walk around and you're on the set to Family Fortunes, and then you're on the set

to Deal or No Deal, and then you're on the set for the wheel. These things are all stored everywhere, so somewhere the pointless set is stored and House of Game set is stored away as well. So those things tend to be reused which is good and also they won't be revamped for about four or five series. You'll get to the point where you think we need a little bit of a revamp now but it won't be remaking the entire set. It will be a little bit of paint here and there. And TV shows have this this standard called Albert which is essentially trying to be carbon neutral as a sustainable television programs as you say I'm never quite sure what the figures are on that but at least

they're trying so you know you've always got like a reusable water bottle and things like that on TV shows that that seems to be the main difference and when you're an Albert production you have to fit in that thing so how much water have you used in this production, like including blushing the loo, how many bits of paper have you printed out? No one ever prints out bits of paper in telly anymore. They're all there. It's all online. How did everyone get to the studio? All that stuff you fill out in incredibly detailed form that goes somewhere and someone does some sums. Someone plants a sapling at the end of it. Yeah, someone plants a sapling in the Blue Peter Garden

Yeah. And everything is okay, I think. I think that's how it works. I think that's how it works, yeah. But yeah, the sets to TV shows tend to be stored. If you ever go into the outer ring of TV Center, you literally, all you're doing, you like walk past the This Morning set

and sets are kind of failed pilot quiz shows, but they all exist there for a long time. And sometimes on movies they reuse things. I think it's the movie Dave about Kevin Klein becoming American president. And the set for that was so expensive and so big that Aaron Sorkin saw it and said, well, I can use this. And so the whole of the West Wing uses the same set as Dave. Things like that are useful. There bankers like you know there's a the green benches in the House of Commons that there's one of those I can't remember where they got that one up at Shepperton or somewhere like that so if you're filming you tend to go to some of these places there's a few of those House of Commons around so that you can use those because

then they there's no point in doing that because people will use that again. Also don't forget in the studios out at the backlots they sometimes have things like a little town that's been built or a lake or whatever it is and those things do stay and they try and reuse as much as possible but if you're wondering like what happened to the set of Stranger Things it fell into the upside down and they burnt it. Often you'll film on location and locations of course are reusable and you see the same country houses in lots and lots of different things shot from slightly different angles but the second you are building the inside of somebody's house and it's very specific to a character or it's very specific to a scene, I'm afraid that's not helping

out the planet. But let's not get ourselves with the reasonable coffee cups. Come on guys. And on that note, shall we proceed to a break? Oh, I think so. The football season is back. Join Micah, Alan and me on the rest is football for top analysis, outrageous gossip and the inside track on everything going on in the Premier League. I'm going to say if Man City get any injuries. Oh Jesus Christ. Come on. We haven't even got

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Welcome back everybody. And here we go, Richard, something on recurring comedians and guests. Tim T asks. Tim T? Tim T. Tim T Tim T is that like is that just the letter T or is this T's boy? Yeah at what point do producers begin to think about how often some talent is used and how it can get quite boring for viewers? How dare you Tim, how dare you? Yeah that's a such a good question firstly who's presenting shows? Secondly, who's guesting on shows and things like that? And it's a fascinating ecosystem. For example, they're

bringing back You Bet and it's being hosted by Hollywooder B and Stephen Mulhern. And the first thing lots of people say is, Oh, have we not seen enough of them? The truth is if you run a channel, you have very, very, very, very detailed feedback on how certain talent performs on that channel. Not only the ratings that you get but you're constantly putting people through focus groups. You're endlessly asking people what they think of certain talent, especially new talent. And Stephen Mulhern and Holly Willoughby every single time, A, they're on TV and B, they are tested, the viewers absolutely love them. As a chance that ITV know more about this than you? A, they're on TV and B, they are tested. The viewers absolutely love them. So if you're-

As a chance that ITV know more about this than you. 100% that, you know, they genuinely know what they're doing. So when you bet comes back, you know, obviously you want to give that the biggest chance of, you know, I think they're doing two specials, but it would be lovely if it came back for a series. You want to give it its best absolute shot. So stick Stephen Moher and Hollywood would be on it.

And if you don't like them, I get it, but you have to understand that ITV are not idiots and that a huge amount of people love them, including me. In terms of who is allowed to present a Saturday night television show, it's actually quite a closed shop and it's quite difficult to kind of break into that. Sometimes you'll break into it,

like Pointless Celebrities, that was a daytime show and the show performed well, so now we're allowed to be on Saturday night. We wouldn't have been previously Marvin and Rochelle doing Hitlist again because there's two of them they both have different fan bases and big fan bases you put them together try them out boom you're allowed in now as well but by and large it's the same people the McIntyres, Ramesh obviously can do stuff now on ITV, Ant and Dec can do whatever they want, Mulhern, Mulhern, Willoughby. But it's a small amount of people and weirdly when you do try out new talents on big Saturday night shows, often it doesn't work. It's like throwing a young

player into the Premier League. There's something about it where people expect faces they know, voices they know, they expect a familiarity to it. Everything else is new so you want some form of familiarity if the show is new. I think also what Tim T was asking is those kind of guest spots where you just feel like, oh my god, he's on everything, he's so overexposed. Your agent has to be thinking all the time, I don't want people to get sick of my client, or if my client's doing lots and lots of things the same, whilst it's great to have the booking and the 10 or 15%, there is a point where people

just say I'm sick of this person being on my telly. I think that's right and the good news for people who are sick is there are fewer of those shows around now. There are fewer shows where you can be a guest on but in the golden age of panel shows yeah there are certain people you know as a producer will turn up and be brilliant so you want to book those people and you obviously want big names and they'll get to a point where a big name will turn up and be brilliant. So you want to book those people. And you obviously want big names, and they'll get to a point where a big name will not come and be a guest on your show.

So you'll keep booking them and booking them until they go, do you know what, I've had too much of doing this. Sarah Millican would be a great example. So Sarah Millican, put yourself A, in the mind of the producer and B, in the mind of Sarah Millican. So Sarah Millican goes up to Edinburgh, we talked about this recently,

suddenly starts getting a name for herself, suddenly starts getting booked on TV So the Sarah Millican who did not know this was going to be a living for her. She's going this is Unbelievable. I'm selling out shows. I'm on TV shows that I used to watch people are laughing people are really enjoying it I'm sending out more shows. So yes, I will come on eight out of ten cats. Yes I would come on would I like you or do these shows if you're a producer you're thinking there's this great new piece of talent who every time she comes up does an incredible performance so if you're making all those different shows you all

want to book her and by the way you're all competitive with each other so you're not thinking how often is she appearing on TV you're thinking I wanted to be on my TV show so that as a producer you're thinking that a Sarah Millican you're thinking I can't believe're thinking I wanted to be on my TV show. So as a producer you're thinking that, as Sarah Millican you're thinking I can't believe people are asking me to be on these things. This is incredible. Then you get to the stage with, and this is how it normally happens, someone like Sarah Millican goes, I am on too many things now. I absolutely get it. I get it and I know why I was and I got incredibly excited and the agent also is going, this is great. suddenly you're selling five times as many tour tickets as you were and everyone's happy but you absolutely get to the stage where you go I'm

gonna start saying no to things and you know which is what I think Sarah took three years off or something and I'm gonna do my own stuff so that's just an example of how from a piece of talent's perspective they would think and how from the producers perspective I just want the best people all the time Channel 4 were always incredibly good with 8 out of perspective, they would think and help from the producer's perspective, I just want the best people all the time. Channel 4 were always incredibly good with 8 out of 10 Cats. They would absolutely fund so many tryouts and run-throughs to get new talent and new comics and that you know the job of that show really was you've got big names on it but you're also trying out

new talent all the time. Mock the Week actually, weirdly after its first sort of ten years got very good at that as well and you know bringing on the James Acasters and Angela Barnes and Rh Reese James and people like that finding new people. But yet the basic problem, Tim, is when you're a producer, and you've got a show, that show, it can go wrong if you have the wrong people on it. You know, you can do an episode of your show and you think, Oh, people didn't really say anything or they weren't particularly funny or they didn't meld. And when you've got people who you think, oh, people didn't really say anything, or they weren't particularly funny, or they didn't meld. And when you've got people who you know for a fact are going to come on and be brilliant, if you know you can book Catherine Ryan or Rob Beckett and they're going to come

on and they're going to make your show shine, that's who you book. And by the way, 95% of viewers like that and enjoy that. But it is one of those delicate dances of do the producers work out that someone's been on too much? Usually the talent works it out first. So it normally goes viewers work it out, talent works it out, producer works it out. But at some point it always happens. The talent will work it out because they're desperately sensitive because that's the nature of the person. And they'll probably have just seen one comment online saying, isn't someone so on TV too much?

And it will just crucify them and say they'll be thinkingand-so on TV too much? And people just crucify them and say, they'll be thinking, I'm not TV too much. And by the way, you have to remember for that person, it's probably only three years after they were going, oh my God, I'm going to be on TV. This is the most extraordinary thing that's ever happened to me. And every single producer is like, oh, who's...

The second that you put somebody on, everyone else can have them on. I love House of Games because I can put people on that show who haven't been on other shows. And then would I lie to you, you can see them for a whole week on House of Games and they can put them on and suddenly you're part of the circuit. But yeah, it's a weird sort of merry-go-round ecosystem but everyone's aware Tim of what it is that you're saying. There is huge competition to book people who you know are going to come along and do a great job for you and you know and are going to bring an audience to your show as well. But everyone

is always thinking, am I on too much? Has this person been on too much? What do you do next? And then I tell you, it's absolutely exacerbated by this fact, which is people will say, Oh, you've been on TV four times this week. It's just ridiculous. You know, anything? Well, no, because you're watching Dave, and you're watching Challenge, and you're watching something that I did five years ago, and then something I did three years ago. So, I mean, these shows are kind of like five years apart, and these happen to be- Can't legislate for my presence in the highlight repeats, I can't. But you really can't, but it does actually add to that feeling of ubiquity. If you're

constantly watching Taskmaster repeats on Dave, you know, that's something that someone did eight years ago. You can't blame Ivo Graham if he's also on live at the Apollo that week because he didn't know they were going out on the same week. But people are cognizant of it, and it is tough to break into that world, is the truth, but we're always looking for people and new people to come along and be great. But yeah, I do think it's probably an issue that is going to be less important because all those shows are only going to exist on Dave in the next few years. Marina, here's one for you. David Aiton says, my friend and I had a heated debate about

this. I like a question that starts that. Yeah. Well, although his friend had a heated debate about Frozen, David and his friend. Anna has double the amount of screen time that Elsa has, but he thinks Elsa is the main character, whereas I think Anna is. I would watch a sitcom about David and his friend. What defines a main character in a film and can you think of other films where the main character people think of has significantly less screen time than another character? This is a good one.

And I don't know, you see Elsa, she's on all the branding but as you say it is told through Anna's eyes. Is it Anna? Anna. Oh I said Anna. Well you know Americans say Anna. But you can tell my kids are in their twenties. You can tell I've seen this film 450 times.

The record I think for the shortest amount of time, this might have changed but I always remember that it was Hannibal Lecter who is on for a tiny amount of time in Science of the Lambs, but he is not put in as a best supporting actor. He's entered into the best actor category and it's one of only very few films that have won all the top for Oscars, best actor, best actress, best picture and best director. Anyway, sorry, that was a sidetrack, but- Good sidetrack. A good sidetrack, a good sidetrack. It's interesting, I mean people say at the end of The Lord of the Rings, oh it's actually Sam's story and you're like yeah, no, but it's not Sean,

Elijah Wood is the main character in it all, whatever, in that movie. But Kristen Bell who voices Anna, she gets credited before- Christian Bale? Kristen Bell. Oh, Kristen Bell. I wonder if they ever get mixed up. Yeah, no, I mean it would be a different film with Christian Bale voicing, I have to say. Would watch? I mean, God knows I've watched the original version so many times, I've watched anything else now.

We'd also watch Kristen Bell as Batman, by the way. Oh yeah, absolutely. Oh yeah, she'd be a monster. Now, Sheva, who voices Anna, is credited before Idina Menzel, who is Elsa on Disney+. Things like Beetlejuice, that's a short, he's, Michael Keaton, we'll have to see how well he gets in the new one. Oh my god, so excited about Beetlejuice. I'm very excited about that.

That's going to, by the way, be so huge. Yeah, just constantly re-cutting so that Jenna Rortoga becomes more and more and more of a main character as this thing has gone on. But actually the writer of Frozen, Jennifer Lee, said it's a little bit Shawshanky where it's Anna's story, but it's really about Elsa. So we go through on his eyes. So she's technically the protagonist, but the whole time it's about that relationship and it is about that relationship between the sisters. So I suppose but there are quite a few films like that where or someone just delivers such a mesmeric performance like Anthony Hopkins doesn't science the lamps where you have this sense that he was on screen all the time, but he was actually there for a very, very

little of the film. So your view, Anna or Elsa is the main character, Elsa? Oh it's a body movie surely, I mean it all goes wrong and one's you know but yeah it's a body movie it's like you know it's lethal weapon on ice. Hold on a minute yeah yeah and that's when they retired as billionaires. Yeah. David also says there's a third opinion that Olaf is the main character. Who is voiced by Josh Gad, who is the most wonderful person and does it so brilliantly and became obsessed with sort of things like loved the Disney Corporation, loved all of those

sorts of things. And so watched endless reels of things like Robin Williams doing the genie in Aladdin and thought I want to create something so odd and weird. And obviously that, I mean that character, it becomes something extraordinary. Olaf absolutely steals it. I've never seen it. You should, it's very, very good. That's going to have to wait till grandchildren. Yes it is. We'll keep it because you will be watching it more than once. Great. I've never seen Lord of the Rings either.

Oh, well yeah, again, if you've got male grandchildren. You've got male grandchildren. The thing about me is I have male grandchildren. Grandsons, I think they're called, aren't they? Continuity announcers. I would like to ask you about Richard Ant. I can only assume Ant of Ant and Dec fame. I seem to say. Yeah.

I mean, he will certainly be. Does he say he's not Ant from Ant and Dec fame? He, no. So let's assume he is. I think on the balance of probabilities, he is. Oh, thanks for listening, man mean, yeah. Well, so did he say he's not Ant from Ant & Dec fame? No. So let's assume he is. On the balance of probabilities he is. Oh, thanks for listening man. Thank you He wants to know do continuity announcers watch live TV set to the channel they're tasked with announcing for or are their contributions pre-recorded? You would think that Ant would know that? Yeah from his long career in the business, but obviously first time he's taken an interest. Yeah, exactly Well, honestly, perhaps it's just something that came to him but in the middle of the night's deck by the way

Anything you want to know you just ask uh, and yes, they do sit and watch Regular tv they Will be on a shift like there's a morning shift and there's an afternoon shift And you still have them on lots of the the linear channels and lots of the smaller channels as well Yeah, they will watch that day's TV the night before, they will write a script which then gets sent to the channel and to the execs of various shows, make sure there's nothing kind of untoward in there, make sure they haven't kind of missed anything that's happening. But they will then sit and watch the shows go out because they have to react in case

something goes wrong. That's amazing. I would have obviously thought the entire thing was pre-recorded weeks before. No. I didn't know that. Yeah they sit and do it and I think you can tell there's something about the voice that they're kind of in there with you and you have to because stuff does drop out of the schedules at the last minute and you know they'll say things like and this is different to their scheduled program and you know they'll do like a back ref to what

just happened which of course they could have pre-recorded but no the idea is they're always there because it's not insanely expensive to have the people there. It's quite useful to have somebody there as well. It's a cool gig, and it's one of those things that by and large we don't even notice is there a lot of the time. And if you do it well, you don't notice. But next time you're in between episodes of Frasier just have a listen they're literally sitting there in a lovely little shed you know talking about what

what TV is on yeah so it's a real job done by very talented people they write all their own stuff all their own scripts everyone can tell them you know if if they want stuff changed but yeah they have to be there just in case you know the Iranian embassy gets raided at some point Which at some point it did they actually interrupted the world snooker final the Iranian Embassy. Yeah Both were obviously very exciting. Yes in their own way. Yeah, Ted Lowe was commentating on both There he is Breaking through the upstairs window. Oh

Flashbangs gone off there, lovely stuff. Have you got three days of this? Got them in handcuffs. It was quite a long event. Yeah, yeah. But both events were long. I got three days of it. Yeah.

So that's what I think about that. What was the question? Continuity announcers. Continuity announcers. And on that note, I think I'm gonna have to say, please keep your questions coming. The rest is entertainment at gmail.com. An absolute pleasure, Marina, as always. See you next Tuesday.

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