The Royals of Malibu - LATTES WITH LUCY E5 - Where is My Reed Royal? with Director Matt Sav (Pt 1)

Episode Date: September 2, 2024

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And we are back with part two of our episode with Matt Sav. Matt Sav, thank you so much for being here. Director of the Royals of Malibu. I know we had a really long episode last week, so we are gonna continue with the last two questions today. Let's get into it. Let's get into it. This one has to do with some drama in a friend group,

and it is anonymous. Are you ready? Very ready. All right, here we go. I've been in a friend group since college, and two years ago, two friends in the group had a bad falling out. Are you ready? Very ready. All right, here we go. I've been in a friend group since college, and two years ago, two friends in the group had a bad falling out.

Since then, the rest of the group has had to largely pick and choose who to invite to what parties, birthdays, events, to avoid the drama and anxiety of both of these friends. It's really awkward when either friend will ask about a party that they weren't invited to because the other friend was invited. It's getting old having a juggle,

and I think enough time has passed that maybe we can all move forward and be in the same room together. As a friend, how can I, or should I, navigate this? Half of me wants to stage an intervention, but the other half of me knows that this is probably not helpful. I kind of mentioned this on last week's pod that I've been through this. Do tell. Give us the answer. What do we do? All right. I am someone who has been on

both sides of this. I've been someone in the... I've been the Fallout and I've been the the Falloutese. I feel like it really depends. I think it's obviously really hard to comment on when we don't know the like specifics of the Fallout or how or what it entails. Okay, so I think... I think what's tricky is when you are the person that has had the falling out with someone else, it can feel really invalidating and really isolating when the rest of your friends say something along the lines of, like, can we just, like, get over it so we all can hang again?

It's hard. If you, you know, and so it's like, you don't wanna be unsupportive, but it sounds like there's maybe like a sliver of a possibility that there is like, for the sake of the group, a truce to be had. I think it really depends. I think if you both are still very actively in this group, you both want to stay in this group, you don't want to lose the group. You'd hope that maybe at this point in time, is there a mutual respect for each other and for the other friends in the group? Like, is there a world in which they could truce for the sake of the group?

But I think an intervention is not going to work because it's going to make both of them feel really on the spot and really defensive. But I think... what might work... is if you feel like you're kind of the peacemaker of the group and you're on good rapport with person A and person B, I think there's a world in which you can try to navigate and say to person A, like, it's getting really difficult and it's feeling kind of weird for us, like, not knowing who to invite to what thing, like, is there any world in which you guys would be down, like, just for the sake of the group to reconcile, see what person A says, say that same thing to person B.

There might be a lot of like, well, I will have, she will, I, she will, but, you know, whatever. There might be some of that. But sometimes there is a path forward. And if there isn't, I don't think you can force it. And it sucks because it's making it impossible for everybody else. But what I have a hard time believing is that if two people have a falling out, I have a really hard time believing that that behavior doesn't bother at least one other person

in the group of one of those people. I have a hard time believing that that behavior doesn't bother at least one other person in the group of one of those people. I have a hard time believing that it's just something between the two of them. I don't know. It's really, really hard to comment on. We don't know anything. But I think an intervention does not work, but I like my version, which is like maybe sussing out the waters with both and then inviting those two parties to meet themselves. It cannot, I don't think it can be orchestrated by anybody else personally.

Yeah. What do y'all think? It's one of the worst feelings ever when you feel like all your friends are invited to something and you're not. And I don't think that you shouldn't invite someone just because someone else is there. What I do think is,

say I'm having a birthday party next week, I'm friends with both of these people. They hate each other. I'm gonna invite both of them, but I'm also gonna tell them, hey, I invited that person too. And now it's the balls in your court whether you want to show up or not. I want you to be there. You're my friend. But you make that decision.

That's how I would go about it. Just kind of... Still show them that you value both of them, but ultimately, like like they're the ones excluding themselves, not you. Agreed. And if they're not ready, like that's okay. Like, you know, if you're saying you both can come in one party is like, I can't,

then like that's also okay. It doesn't have to be painted as like they're being petty. It's like, if you're just like not ready to interact with that person, like that's also fine. And your friends have to be okay with that. But I agree, give them the choice. Yeah, that's exactly what I was gonna say, is that giving them the choice.

And I like, I think you're both saying the same thing, and Emma, you specifically tied it to an upcoming specific event, like a birthday party or a get together. And just inviting them both and then being really clear to both of them. And I loved it was subtle, but you reminded them too, I care about you as a friend, I want you to be here. If it's uncomfortable for you, I understand. So you're giving them the option, you know, it's like, yeah, like, I want you there, but I'm going to give you the space if you need it. And I'm gonna give you the heads up if you need it. But it's so complicated. And I'll speak to this too. I had one experience where there was a blow up of in a friend group of three people. And it was specifically two people

with one person who I was closest with. So what happened over time, and I think this is like reiterating everything that you all have been saying, is like over time, it actually went two ways. I stayed, of course, with my bestie. I was like, yeah, of course I got your back. I'll invite you to everything.

But with the other two of them, like it just took time, but you know, two of them reconciled and two of them didn't. And so, you know, it's been similar. Like it's been event after event where it's, you know, at this point I'm not giving warning, maybe the first time or two, like, hey, this person is going to be here,

but I'll invite all three of them. And you know, it's up to them to navigate how they please. But I think it shows like, you could be surprised. These relationships can mend over time. I mean, like think of in the Royals, right? What about Savannah and Ella? Never expected them to be friends. Even Val and Ella had their ups and downs

and their falling outs coming back together. And I think that's true in real life too. It's like, sometimes people do come back together and sometimes they don't and you can't control that. So you gotta let time heal it. At a certain point, like, the falling out does become permanent sometimes, but there is also totally a period

where you both really try. And I think it's always good to try and try to be like, you know what, can we be civil? Can we be in a group? And either that will lead to a healing or it might lead to a fissure down the line, and that's okay, but I really feel for this person because it's so hard.

I still deal with this to this day of, like, certain friends that I've kind of just very casually lost touch with, but then, like, still enjoy having around, but then have had falling outs with other people. It's, like, it's hard. It's really, it's really, really hard. And I think as a recovering slash current, but trying not to be people-pleaser, I feel like there's a, there's, I'm someone that, like,

would sacrifice their entire evening to, like, make everybody happy. And I'm trying really hard, like, not to be that way anymore. Okay. Follow-up question, then. She touched on in her story, too, like, I feel like she was kind of saying it. It's like, I don't know if I wanna to like do too much to get in the middle. And so touching on that, like how much do you think is too much?

Where should you draw the line? Like how much should you get involved with trying to solve these two people's issues? It's tricky because- I'll bring it up once. What? Oh, once. I would talk to each of them once and see how they react and then steer clear. Yeah, I completely agree.

I was gonna say, like, some people might be like, it's not my place. Yes, totally. It's not like your job. But sometimes you are kind of like the only person that can get through to those individuals. And that's like a very powerful place to be. Like, there's always, you know, there's always that one friend that has a way of talking to person A and person B

in a way where they feel seen and heard, but not like antagonized, and for whatever reason, that person can get through to both of those people, whether that's our... We need to figure out what we're calling these people. Reader, writer, fan, what do we call them? I need a word. Whether it's...

This art... Trauma, writer. Trauma is great. a word. Whether it's... Trauma. Trauma is great. Yeah, I feel like it... Trauma. I feel like this trauma, you know, might be the hero that the friend group is needing, but with great power comes great responsibility. You know, so it's like maybe this is your moment to not stage an intervention, but like we said,

talk to both of them once, implore with both of them once. Yeah. But then, yeah, then at the both of them once, implore with both of them once. Yeah. But then, yeah, then at the end of the day, it's not on you and, oh, it's just so hard and so stressful. This stuff like eats away at me and I completely understand.

You know what this kind of reminds me of, which I've experienced a few times and I think most people have, is when your friend group has couples and they break up and you care about both of them but they literally cannot be in the same rooms together. And then they take it really personal

if you're still friends with the ex. It reminds me of that. And that's one of the hardest situations especially if you do value both of them. I don't know if you guys have ever experienced that. It is, you know, right. But I think at the end of the day, it's important to remember this is an issue

between the two of them. It creates a secondary issue of it being annoying for hanging out or whatever, but it's like, life is hard enough. Like we all have our own struggles too. So like getting overly involved in the two of them working it out is not necessarily your problem.

Listening, being there for them, that's wonderful. Being kind to them about, yes, this is a difficult moment for them. But you can't, I mean, Steph, also, as a former people pleaser, I've had to learn I can't take on everyone's problems and fix everyone's problems around me. I can show up and be there for them to be like, hey, I love you. I got you. I'll support you. Like, this is tough. yeah, this does suck.

But trying to be the solution, I don't know, the older I get, the more I'm like, I'm there as a sounding board, but not to solve this for you. Like I know you've got this, you've got this. But it's too much work and it will be too much pain. And you don't know the situation as well as the two of them, you might think you do, but there are nuances that you'll never understand.

So it's kind of up to them, it's their journey to figure it out. And if they can get along the same room, then sure, invite them. If they can't, that's their problem they're creating for everyone else. So that's on them to figure that out. So eventually one of them is going to want to stop coming because if they fight every time they show up somewhere, like they're making it awkward for themselves and everyone so it's like you would hope at some point that stops if not you have to kind of stop inviting one of them and make that decision but in most cases you'll find you do invite both of them and you tell them and you're honest like we said and then they'll it's up to them to navigate those emotions that's a tough one our hearts go out to you. Yes, let us know how

it goes. Again, I know I say this every episode, but any of our traumas submitting us questions after you hear these episodes, keep us posted. Send us a DM, write it in the submission form. We want to hear how you guys are doing. Hey guys, it's Emma from the Royals of Malibu and Emerald Audio. I don't know about you, but everything seems to be getting more and more expensive these days. That's why I absolutely love saving money on my online shopping with Rakuten. Rakuten is the smartest way to save money when you shop because you can earn cash back

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at Mazda.ca. All right, guys, you ready for our final question of today? Yes. Let's do it. This is from Celine, who is from the Netherlands. Whoa. I know. We have a very international fan base. I want to go to the Netherlands. I'm not surprised. I've never been base. I wanna go to the Netherlands.

I'm not surprised. I've never been anywhere near there. I love the Netherlands. Amsterdam is like my favorite city in the world. You guys wanna have us over? Let us know. I know. The Royals World Tour.

Royals World Tour. All right, here we go. Hi, hi, I love the podcast, Lattes with Lucy. What is your favorite part about making the podcast? And do you have tips about feeling behind in life? Everyone is moving on with life and I'm just stuck. My friends are moving in with their boyfriends and I'm still here very much single.

Where is my read royal? Was this question written for me? We got you. I feel like it's written for all three of us. Do we want to break it down? Because there's kind of like three different questions here. Okay. Yeah. So I think and this is great, Matt, that you're here for this one. Because the first one backing up a little bit is asking what is your favorite part about making the podcast? So we can start

with that. I will say one of my favorite things personally, as director about making the podcast is getting to see it through all the different phases. So, you know, seeing that word that we sort of like, or that phrase or that piece of dialogue that we went over five times, you're like, how would Val say that? How would Ella say that? And then seeing the voice actors get in the room

and just be like, hell yeah, that is exactly how they would have said it. And then getting to post and then hearing that all enriched with the sound design. I think it's that moment when it all comes together in the first edit with sound design that we get to give feedback on that is like, oh my God, it's a convergence of all these talented people

working on every small micro little detail of what this story is. And you have that incredible like moment when you're listening back and be like, yep, we created a world that didn't exist out of nothing. And here it is in my ears in 360. So yeah, it's that first listen back.

That's my favorite moment. Emma. What about you? I think for me is moments like this, just the first thing she said, hi, I love the podcast. Like in getting all the DMs and like seeing all the comments that you guys leave, just seeing how much love you guys all have for the show means the world to all of us. I mean, it's weird.

I mean, we just upload this online, right? Like we're not on a stage, we're not performing in front of you guys. Like sometimes it just feels like we're launching the show into the abyss. And it's, sometimes it's weird to think that, okay, people are actually listening to this. This is actually brightening someone's day.

And when we have these moments of realizing that, it's really special. So, my favorite part is all of our fans. I think what's really lovely about making this is that, like... Royals of Malibu has been such a life raft to me in my acting career, and, like, playing Lucy has been, like, one of the joys of my acting career. And then giving advice to people is something I, as a person, have always loved doing and I think is so important.

And it's, like, so important to me that people feel supported and, like, seen and heard in some small way. And so for the fact that, like, this show could be providing not only, like, a sense of comfort to someone, but, like, actually be in some small way. And so for the fact that like this show could be providing not only like a sense of comfort to someone, but like actually be entertaining in any way and something we look forward to is like... everything. And I think this is just very cool.

That's such a Lucy answer and I love that. That's why you played Lucy. Ah! Um, yeah, to get to the rest of the question. All right, and I'll repeat the last part of the question. Do you have any tips about feeling behind in life? Everyone is moving on with life and I'm just feeling stuck. My friends are moving in with their boyfriends and I'm still here very much single.

Where is my read royal? Celine, I think that we are divinely connected because you don't even know this. Emma and Matt know this. But I'm like in the process of creating my own podcast right now with Lindsay Ploussard, who is a fellow producer and writer on Royals, called Late to the Party. I guess we're announcing it here it is. And it's all about how I feel really late in my life

because I was, when I started, I'm 33 now, but I was 32 when we began and I was like, I'm 32 and I'm single and all of my friends are getting married or having kids or on their way to, or they're having like enormous career success. And I feel like I'm at this point where I don't know which way is up and what do I do. And so the whole podcast, give it a listen when it's out, hopefully soon, it will be out at some point. I think probably like late September-ish,

but don't hold me to that. But my point is, is I have been on this incredible journey for months now, kind of trying to figure out how do you handle feeling late in your life and where can you take action and get the things that you feel late to, and where can you just trust the timing and not force it into being?

And so, I understand so much, so deeply, wanting your read royal already. And I think what I'm starting to learn is that if there are ways in which you're holding yourself back in your life, to be really honest about that and to try to take just like little steps towards making that happen, but equally as true is to stop feeling like the way

that you're organically living like isn't right. I think it has to be a marrying of the two things. I think, yes, isn't right. I think it has to be a marrying of the two things. I think, yes, for instance, for me, I have never really truly in my heart of hearts prioritized dating. I will say that I did, I will feel like I did, but I didn't. Because if people want to date, they go on dates. And it's not that easy, and there's so much that gets complicated, and the apps suck. I hear you, I see you, and not everyone just like randomly meets their knight in shining armor at a coffee

shop. This is something interesting that a lot of people might not say, but I'm someone that I feel like hasn't dated as much as I'd like. And in a weird way, I think I'm now at 33 approaching dating from like a lot healthier of a perspective. And it's not to like, take gain and others losses. But there's a lot of people that in an effort to not be single jump from like toxic relationship to toxic relationship. And now in their 30s have an enormous amount of baggage from these like really unhealthy relationships.

And not that I don't have baggage, I have plenty. But I feel like in a weird way, I'm approaching relationships from a very mature, like adult place. And I'm really proud of that. So you can wear your lateness as a badge of honor. It doesn't mean you're not impatient and annoyed and like want it to work out already because I do too. Yeah. But I think, of course, you can't force these things. And I think a lot of my healing myself is realizing that even though I'm not getting things in the timeline that I would have wanted, I couldn't have rushed it if I tried. And I know this isn't the most succinct answer

or the most eloquent answer, but I feel such a kindred spirit in you, Celine. I am so thrilled that you asked this. And I think, trust that magic does happen. And this is what I genuinely think. This is like my latest. Magic like does happen in our lives. Unexpected positive things do happen.

And isn't it more fun that way? And like, yeah, you can sit in that like, I'm bitter that I'm single place all day, and I live there a lot. But the other side of that is that at any moment, any day now, someone can come into your life that changes everything, and I love that. Yeah. Thank you for sharing that.

Um, I think I'll touch on two things. Um, the first is the feeling of being late to the party with dating. And the second is how one approaches dating. In terms of late to the party, I think something that I've learned as I've gotten older is that there are so many pillars to what makes a good life, right?

Like dating and romance is one of them, but so is your relationship to your friends, so is your relationship to your friends, so is your relationship to your family, so is your relationship to yourself, so is your relationship to the work you do, so is the relationship to the world around you. And sometimes reminding yourself that romance is a wonderful thing, but it's just one of those pillars.

And so as I've gotten older, I've seen people go on all sorts of different journeys in life at different times. And frankly, there's a beauty to every journey. I am someone who did date a lot in college and then went through a long period in my 20s of not really dating at all. And it was in that time that I had so much, likerospection and like self discovery and adventures that I think people who are in partnerships didn't get to have because I was free

as an individual in the world to do whatever the hell I wanted. And that's the thing. I mean, yeah, it's hard when you, if you're in high school or college and you see everyone around you dating and you're kind of stuck to this like path of right. Like people tell you what to do and where to go

and what your social life is. When you get beyond that, the world is literally like, you can do whatever you want with it. And so remembering that's just one part of life. And if it's important to you, then yes, prioritize dating. And I'll get into the like about approaching dating second. But the first thing is like, there are a million different paths

and every moment of your life is valuable and like lean into whatever's in front of you. And like, I'll give an example, like right now, I'm in a single period and I just spent two months, I sublet in my apartment and traveled around with the money from subletting my apartment and had a really cool adventure. And a lot of my friends who are settled down at this stage,

some of them have kids, which is a wonderful adventure too. But I'm sure they're really jealous of the two months that I just spent solo traveling around by myself having a blast. stage, some of them have kids, which is a wonderful adventure too. But I'm sure they're really jealous of the two months that I spent solo traveling around by myself having a blast. So different timelines, but lean into whatever timeline you're on. And remember, there's multiple things that hold up your life

and that you can lean on to find meaning in while you're waiting for your read royal. The second thing I'll say is about how one approaches dating. And I'll say this is that I've also learned if you're trying to approach dating for a checklist of like, I have to meet someone or you are trying to approach dating for validation which frankly it's embarrassing,

but I did for a long time. Like I just wanted a boyfriend or a partner, just like a really attractive, smart, perfect partner to be like, hell yeah, I'm also, you know, attractive and smart, because this person likes me. And I was seeking validation. And it's like, Oh, man, like, it just leads you to all the wrong people. And so instead, if you flip the script, you're like, this could happen at any moment. And what I'm looking for, and I think I referenced

earlier, is connection, like where it's just easy and flows two ways. And it's like just the right fit. looking for, and I think I referenced this earlier, is connection. Where it's just easy and flows two ways, and it's just the right fit. Then I think that if you're open to that and not forcing it, that will eventually come. I hope it comes, if it's really important to you, sooner rather than later. But yeah, I feel this one deeply. I don't know, Emma, what about you?

I agree with everything you guys said. While feeling single might feel like you're behind or lonely, there's also so much freedom in being single. I mean, you'll find, one day you will find your read royal, and why not enjoy that independence now? Like Matt said, like, go travel, go do the thing. Go have as much fun as possible with your friends. Um, that's also one of my regrets.

I feel like when I've been in relationships, I've, like, undervalued the importance of friendships. And I think when it does come to dating, like, something that I am single right now, and I'm in no rush, but at the same time, I am trying to be very intentional with dating. Like, ideally, the next person I'm in a serious relationship will be the last person. I go on a lot of dates. Like, I'm very active on dating. Like, ideally the next person I'm in a serious relationship will be the last person.

I go on a lot of dates, like I'm very active on the dating apps and I kind of treat it as a job. Like I do think that dating is a numbers game. I have this friend, Gabby Conti, she actually is the creator of Bad Influencer, one of her other shows. She went on 30 dates in three days for, I think it was like a Cosmo article or something

and that's how she found her husband. Oh my God. 30 days in three days for, I think it was like a Cosmo article or something, and that's how she found her husband. 30 days in three days? You have to put yourself out there. You have to, just because someone might not be six-five, blue eyes, and a trust fund right away, that doesn't mean that he's not the perfect guy for you. Like, I think I've been in the past, I've like crossed people out because,

oh, they don't match the ideal person I've always seen myself with ever since I was 10 years old. I think you need to be open-minded and you need to be, um... I don't know, like, explore, figure out, like, what your type is. I think, like, every relationship I've been in, I've learned more about the kind of partner I do want. And I think if you treat dating as an adventure and keep yourself open and go on the date

that you might not necessarily would have a few years ago, it's a numbers game and odds are you will find someone eventually and don't put pressure on yourself too. And don't, number one thing I'll also advise is do not jump into a relationship because you want a boyfriend. I think we've all done it and Matt, you've said this earlier too, in the past. We've all done it before.

I really advise you against that because, like I said, just because all of your other friends are in relationships does not mean that they are more happy than you. I think you need to prioritize yourself and having as much fun while you can while you're single, because this is a really special time in your life. And be open. I love that.

I couldn't agree more to, like, when you throw, yeah, when you throw yourself out there, you have to be open. But also with, like, the modern dating, I mean, we're, you know, for all you listeners, it's like there's various ages. Some people are high school, college. Some people are young adults. And it's like, I feel like in,

when you're out in the world dating, it's, you know, a lot of the times through these apps. And so there's gonna be a lot of people who just ghost you and you're like, you have no idea what's going on. You haven't met this person, you don't know them. So don't put too much stock in that. You know, and there are a lot of people who are gonna be like way too over the top

and it's just like, okay, whoa, chill out. Like, we're just getting you know each other. And look, like, and the thing is, is like, but the point is, is like, if you're gonna throw yourself out there, I think with modern dating, it is gonna be a lot of like intense emotions and energy. Like dating is, you know, for a lot of people,

it's a very emotional thing. And so I think kind of just like taking a step back and being like, you know what, if I get on these apps and start talking to people, there are gonna be in the next week, five people who ghost me. And there are gonna be five people who are like, you know what, if I get on these apps and start talking to people, there are going to be in the next week, five people who ghost me and they're going to be five people who are like, Whoa, way too much. It's like it's, but you just kind of ride that out and you be comfortable when those moments of rejection happen.

You be comfortable when you're not into someone being really direct. But I think particularly if you like you live in a big city and you're on the dating apps, the volume is not an issue. But it's just like, it's just about navigating that I think with like resilience, like and not taking things too personally when people reject you so you can move on to the person who is the right fit. And you're really direct with people who aren't the right fit so they can move on too. It is different, I will say, if you're in a small town. It's kind of like, OK, I only have these five options.

Particularly for all you gays out there in small towns. My heart goes out to you. We see you. We hear you. Well, all of our traumers that submitted a question today, thank you so much. This was such a blast talking with Steph and Matt, our special guests, of course. We appreciate and love you you so much. This was such a blast talking with Steph and Matt, our special guests, of course. We appreciate and love you guys so much. I just, I really love doing this show and

I still don't understand how this is happening. Very grateful every moment. I'm so thrilled that you guys write in. It's unbelievable. Keep writing, keep listening, keep wanting season three because we do too. It's amazing. And honestly, I gotta say step two is like, I'm just so happy that you're doing this and I can't wait for where this goes with you and all the listeners and Emma as well.

I mean, I just think like, particularly the character Lucia, you really inhabit that like caring energy. And I could see it whenever, you know, we were recording in the studio, you were just always looking out for everyone around you. And I think it's just really intrinsic to your being. And Emma as well. I mean, I gotta say, like you really were looking

in every direction and making sure that everyone had what they need and felt comfortable. And so it's just the two of you leading this makes so much sense. And everyone out there, you're really lucky to get to hear from these two each week. So kind. We adore you. Have me back on and get me a mug. That's up. Thank you so much for being here. You are truly so wise. We are not worthy. Oh my god. Likewise. Thank you for having me. Loved having this time. Thank you for having me. Loved having this time with you all

and have me back on later. Well, should we cheers with our mugs? Absolutely. Cheers. Is that a thing you all do or am I forcing this cheers moment? Clink, clink, clink. We'll get Carter and Morgan to sound design

this moment of the clink. I would love that. Shout out to our two incredible sound designers. Yeah, and just a reminder, Trommers, we want your questions. We, we want your questions. We continue to want your questions. Even now, we still want to hear from you. We will never not want to hear from you. We always want to hear from you. Head to emmeredaudio.co. slash Lana Jalusi to submit your voice memo or to write in your question,

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