The Ryen Russillo Podcast - A Falcons-Penix Zag and More NFL Draft Reaction With Todd McShay, Plus, Nuggets All but Finish Lakers, and Sixers, Magic Win

Episode Date: April 26, 2024

Russillo starts the pod by reviewing all three Thursday night games and series (0:30). Then, Todd McShay joins to share his thoughts on the first round of the NFL draft, including the surprise QB picks, and reveals his top players to target in Round 2 (19:00). Plus, another edition of Live Advice with Ceruti and Kyle (66:40). Do I need to ask permission before proposing to my girlfriend? Check us out on YouTube for exclusive clips, live streams, and more at https://www.youtube.com/@RyenRussilloPodcast The Ringer is committed to responsible gaming. Please check out rg-help.com to find out more or listen to the end of the episode for additional details. Host: Ryen Russillo Guest: Todd McShay Producers: Steve Ceruti, Kyle Crichton, and Mike Wargon Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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Must be 21 and older and president select states gambling problem. Call 1-800-GAMBLER or visit rg-help.com. Let's recap where we're at with the three series last night and some bigger picture stuff. So if you look at last year for the playoff run, you have 15 series, right? Every year we have 15 series, but we saw a lot of upsets if you look at the seeding part of this historically.

So look, first round, eight series, then four, then 12, and then the finals, that's 15 series. Last year, 15 series, seven times the lower seed won the series. That is almost double what the average is, about four. It's also the most we've had since I think five in 1995. I was looking at Hollinger's stuff on the athletics, so I want to give him credit for this. But when you go eight, seven, that's a lot. Yes, it is.. It is a lot but it's also kind of baked into the Miami Lakers number of last year because Miami's got three of them then the Lakers got two. So you're like all right well that's five of the seven. So now this is starting to make sense

and then Golden State and the Knicks have one. So seven's a lot and this year with it being so muddled in the West and so many of the teams after Boston, the East, where you just went, well, I guess a lot of stuff could happen. Philadelphia, New York feels like it's probably right where it's supposed to be, two, one, two, one, either way. And yet when I look at the embied part of it, it's fascinating because he's clearly hurt in the first two games. I thought

he looked much better last night, but then we find out that he's dealing with Bell's palsy, which is its own challenge. He drops 50 on the Knicks, 13 and 19, five a seven for three, and he's really starting to feel himself, just know, just the three point touch and then the close outs and it doesn't really matter. Like he's, they've left them open a few times, but now it's almost like they were leaving them open going, cool, go ahead and shoot that even though his numbers are better than these other bigs that want to take the shot from outside. But that almost feels like a win because you're not fouling them. And because Hartnstein ended up with five fouls and then Mitchell Robinson ended

up being hurt only playing 12 minutes. It was just a massive challenge against Embiid on top of everything else because Precious Achua, who I've always really liked, part of the rotation for a good chunk of the regular season once they acquired him, you know, Tibbs doesn't want to play him. Tibbs doesn't want to play him in this series. And then he had to go to him a little bit last night. So it was a spicy Embiid dropping 50 points. If New York had gone up 3-0, I had something else planned for Embiid,

but I'm not gonna do that after he gets 50. But it was spicy. There was a lot of stuff with him last night where I was like, man, he is pushing the limits of what you can get away with in a game. And the Mitchell Robinson play was flat out dirty. You get called for the flagrant. DiVincenzo went up to him and Embiid was kind of like, get away from me.

I always wonder what it's like to be that big. Not always, but there are times, let's rephrase that. There are times where I'm like, what is it like when you're that big and somebody DiVincenzo size comes up to you to be like, hey, I've got to stick up for my teammate. Like even if Embiid were bad at fighting, even if you were just soft, it was like, oh, ouch, that hurts. I'm not into this. It still would feel like it'd be impossible for him to not crush somebody considering the size advantage that he has. All right, so that aside, Embiid said, hey, look, I was worried about the

Kaminga flashbacks. He fell on my leg and that's why I kind of like when he lands on him, he throws them off of them all over again. I think he was mad he didn't get a call at the other end. Then he was like, fuck it, I'm just gonna grab this guy's leg. That's what I thought happened. Because Embiid was really upset about a bunch of other calls that he didn't get throughout the entire night. He hit a three on Brunson, he hit a three on the other guy,

he hit a three on the other guy, he hit a three on the other guy, he hit a three on the other guy, he hit a three on the other guy, he hit a three on the other guy, leg. That's what I thought happened, because Embiid was really upset about a bunch of other calls that he didn't get throughout the entire night. He hit a three on Brunson where he was like, oh wait, remember to fall down.

Oh, this isn't really going to be. I'm not going to be able to do this, so I'll stand up. So he got it like half goes to fall down and then decides nah, and he made the shot on top of everything else. So if you're the Knicks, I think you look at this game and go,

okay, look, you can't fake desperation. That's always my role when two teams are somewhat evenly matched and one's up 2-0 and the other one isn't. And it's just really hard for you to match the intensity and desperation when you're up 2-0 of the team that's down 0-2 when you think that the teams are close.

But it was a bit of a free throw fest last night because Brunson ended up with. 10 to 12 from the free throw line, 39 points overall. I think Brunson, by the way, watching specifically after struggling so much in the first two games, I think he was better at just his attack angles. I think he was a little bit more calculated in taking his time going, all right, if this is the way they're playing me with all of the size, which has been really, really effective.

And again, credit to Ubre and Batum. They've done just a really good job with it, but I felt like Brunson was more like, okay, if this is what you're gonna do, I may slow things down and then think of a better angle of attack. But if you're looking at 30 through what? 33 free throws for two players, Philly probably feels good if they're going to get that kind

of game again officiating wise. I think if you're if you're New York, you're like alright. Harden Hardenstein ended up dealing with foul trouble all night. Mitchell Robinson played 12 minutes, so we'll see. We'll see what happens, but indeed health wise the best he's looked. I think in the entire series. Hello Orlando. welcome to the playoffs. Tough sled in those first two games. Wasn't feeling great.

Just like why did you pick them? Cleveland's so much better with their four guys than Orlando's four guys who you really like Ryan, you really like them. But not a lot of scoring guarantees out of that group. I have a working theory. It's not perfect. It can be dismantled certainly many nights,

but I always feel like you need three guys that you always know can add up to 60 points. In some ways, three guys scoring 60 points is better than two guys scoring 60 points. I think that makes sense. But again, it can be destroyed at times. And when I look at Orlando, I go, where are the 60? Where are the 60? Well, if it's Palo at 25, that means I only need 35 more points. Can I guarantee myself 35 points from fronds and subs? Knowing that somebody else is going to be disappointing,

knowing somebody else is going to be a bit of a surprise. But if you're only getting 40 from your main three guys, is there a fourth guy that makes it up with 20? Now you're starting to ask a lot, especially in the playoffs where Cleveland may be a 60.2 guy team without really knowing who the third guy would be. And now some of you are listening to this being like, hey, come up with a new theory,

but it makes sense that I think the balance of three in a playoff game means you're gonna have to guard more consistently and there isn't any one thing that you think you can take away from the other team as much, all right? So Orlando scares me a little bit with that, but Palo last night, 31,14-5, and no turnovers after 15 turnovers in games one and two.

I still think his job is as tough as maybe any single offensive player in the playoffs right now. It's really on a guy who's like two years into this, his first playoff series ever. Hey, save us. I think he's being asked to do more than maybe any single number one option for any other team.

If I run through it again in my head pretty quickly, yeah, I think I'm right. I think I'm right on that one. Okay. This game got off to a start where I was like, oh wow, I'm just gonna be impossibly wrong on this thing. Cleveland's back, what do you think about him for the second round, which is his own exercise off

the other side of what's going on with Boston, Miami? Uh, I don't have anything on that other than I went back and watched all the threes. I think it's a combination of everything. I think there's some bad closeouts, but I also think that there is some strategy there where it was double hero. And then if hero wants to kick it to somebody else, you're giving up something, you know, the same way we've watched with Philly in New York where it's like, hey, Josh Hart, you can go ahead and shoot those threes.

When I've watched OKC, it's like, hey, Najee Marshall, if you want to take those threes, go ahead. If you hit them, great, but this is how we're going to play you. I think Boston looked at it as going, if we're going to trap hero off of this high screen and roll and then we still have to worry about Bam and then Bam's going to hit everything. And I think Boston looked at it as going, if we're gonna trap Hero off of this high screen roll, and then we still have to worry about Bam, and then Bam's gonna hit everything. And then when they swing it to somebody

in the three point line, all of those guys are gonna hit something. I mean, look, Boston was down six points as Miami had set a record, a franchise record for three point makes, I think at that point when it was 22. So, I know it's funny, because if Boston were brand new this year and this good, people are like, oh, that's weird. They lost game two.

And instead it's like, nope, the fraud alert text on your boy's phone after that game. It's just hilarious. Ten different people going this team sucks. Their frauds like sucks seems a little harsh, but because of the history, we understand all the PTSD. All right, so back to Orlando and Cleveland. As I go, hey, the only thing I have on this is another three minutes. I always think it's funny when you bet on a game and how dumb we all are in the very beginning, because this game was 10 three and I'm just sitting here going 10 three, like, well, hold on, it's kind of another 46 minutes or so, 45 minutes to go on this one.

So relax. And you know how when you bet a team, like say you bet a team and you're getting two and a half points and they're up six nothing and you're hanging out with your buddies and it's six nothing and you're like, I'm so smart. I'm so good at this gambling thing. Look at me. Or the other side of it, you're laying two and a half and your team is down six, two,

and you've got maybe one of your buddies to get in and out with you. He's like, dude, are you serious? I can't believe we're gonna lose this. You're like, it's six, two. It's six, two. I don't think it's over yet. I think there's still more time.

However it happens, whenever you do it, it's almost impossible to avoid doing it. I've done it way too many times. And even last night, I'm like 10 310 3 huh, they're not going to be able to score. They were Orlando was missing everything. The very first few minutes of this game. And I actually some of those looks were really good. But Mitchell and Garland were terrible. And they were down 30 with nine minutes to go in the third quarter. The backcourt for Cleveland finished eight at 26.

I'm not sure that specifically is going to happen again, despite knowing that Orlando's defense is really their strength. Something to pay attention to here. Jonathan Isaac's minutes, 29 to 20 to 16 minutes. 16 minutes in game number three. What does that mean? Came off the bench as well.

So it felt a little bit like it was a waste to use him because defensively it wasn't this matchup that you felt like, hey, we've got Jonathan Isaac on Jared Allen now, so good luck Cleveland. It just doesn't speak to Isaac's strength. A longer term thing though, all right, much like kind of Philadelphia and going, are you gonna get that same kind of game,

that free throw thing on both sides? Because if you're Philly, you love that. You're like, cool, please call the game like that the rest of the series, not gonna happen, but you get the point. There's a longer term thing I think with Orlando when I look at it and I go is frons off of Palo the thing I thought it was. I don't have an answer. I'm just simply asking myself the

question when I watch them more. And that frons is this big wing who can attack, who can defend, who can switch. There's a lot of boxes here that he checks that you get really excited about. But there's a lot of boxes here that he checks that you get really excited about. But off of Palo, in theory, it's like, hey, that's really good. We've got these big multiple wings, can handle, can pass. These guys are like OKC dream players, right? This is the whole blueprint down there with the Thunder. But if Franz can't consistently be a threat from the outside, it makes that pairing much more challenging moving forward. So we know this year he was 28% from three. Doing some Huey Brown for you.

But you look at, you know. But he was 35, 36% from three the first two seasons. You go back to the college stats of Michigan, 31% freshman year, sophomore year, 34%, 84% from free throw in college, 85% from three throw in the NBA. There's enough numbers in there to tell you that he's not a 28% from three guy. But if he's not at least 34, 35 have to respect it or hurt you for not respecting it. Long-term, I worry about that pairing if Franz isn't a better shooter.

May not mean anything right now. Don't have an answer to it, but that's where I'm at. We finished in Los Angeles, Denver 11 straight against the Lakers. Game two, D'Angelo Russell, I'd like to introduce you to the real versus Denver D'Angelo Russell. 0 for 7 from the floor. And that's the problem is that, hey man, you guys were dogging D'Angelo Russell. And this isn't, I don't want to do like an every 48 hours told you so battle where we're just anyone that likes him is telling the people, you know what I mean? We're just going circles in this whole thing. My question would be this, like when you have someone like this that's capable of having the game that he had in two, but also capable of doing what he did in three.

What do you really have? Like, what's the sum of that player? Right. With all the other little things that we've talked about with him and his lack of intensity, lack of attention to detail, just a lackadaisical player. This was a really, it was like LA was still in this game of the score and it felt like they were dead. I think this is like emotionally draining for them. I think the close of this game, like every time I'd look at the score, I'd be like, hey, this score is not out of reach here.

But I think it's this really frustrating thing of, it's like playing a video game and just going, I don't know how to beat this guy. Like I don't know how to beat this guy without the internet and looking it up. That's what I saw from this Lakers group going, we just, you know, look, we just can't beat these guys. And it's really frustrating.

So even if we think we're close to this whole thing, we just kind of know what's going to happen. And last night, every time against Denver, it feels inevitable. The other problem for LA, their hack of free throws, plus 14 in game one, minus four in game two, minus five in game three. I looked at the LeBron part of this, thought he was bad last night. I know he scored a bunch of points. Aaron Gordon had 15 boards. To be nice, I'd say a third

of those were against LeBron where LeBron just wasn't super locked in with it. There's one offensive rebound from Gordon where he puts it back up and then LeBron has his hands out looking at people going like, what the fuck? And you're going, yeah, that was your guy. Who are you looking at? And I did post the video of him last night dribbling the ball off his leg, not because I thought it was funny, it's because he turned back around to Prince to get mad about a screen that wasn't set where that happens all of the time. And it was like, hey, here we go. And I think the sad part for Lakers fans is we're about 30 hours away,

if Denver gets game four of isolation LeBron. Not on the basketball court. I'm talking about off the basketball court where he's gonna make sure that you know that he doesn't approve of this but he's also not associated with this which I think is always a really really bad look. I'm capable of doing both things praising one of my favorite players I've ever seen play this game praising him after game two love that's one of my favorite LeBron games ever in game two but the

part of him that I don't like I just don't understand why Rich Paul or Maverick wouldn't go like, hey, this is a really bad look. So make sure you don't go out of your way to prove some kind of point about being upset about the rest of the roster. Maybe the Lakers would have gotten somebody else in the first round, but they're just not better than this team.

And look, maybe he doesn't have to isolate himself because D'Angelo Russell already did it for him. Was he checking his phone during the huddle? So ugly night for the Lake show. This NBA playoffs, FanDuel is giving all customers two chances to bring home a big win with a no sweat, same game parlay every weekend of the playoffs.

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look ahead to what else is going on. And a man who actually was really on it, and I don't say that as if I'm surprised with Todd McShay, but the information for the months leading up to the draft, we talked about Minnesota. Hey, that means they're gonna likely go in this direction the New England rumors that were backed by the biggest insiders in the industry He talked up neighbors who then all of a sudden I've got some good stuff on other people thinking neighbors is actually better than Marvin Harrison jr. And then finally he told us this week that Xavier worthy to the Chiefs

Was the least kept secret in the NFL in the lead up. So great stuff from you, man. And thanks as always for joining us. Thanks, bud. There's a lot to talk to, or a lot to talk about. For a first round, it felt like the teams just decided, hey, let's not mess around. Let's not get cute. Let's just go off our board couple surprises, certainly that we'll get to but that felt like the message overall last night. Yeah, this, I think it speaks to the fact that this is a damn good draft class and there were a lot of really good impact players that they expect to come in as

rookies and and for several years to to become you know top tier players and that's what we saw. I mean we knew one in two that was a lock. We knew Caleb Williams is going one to Chicago. We knew that the number two pick Washington was gonna go with Jaden Daniels. But after that, there was a lot of speculation. You know, is New England gonna try to get cute

and move out of that number three spot? Did they like JJ McCarthy more than Drake May? The Giants had been making a lot of calls to try to move up. We knew Minnesota was in the market after getting that trade. But New England stands, Pat. They go with a plan that they kind of had all along. Let's sign a veteran for about $8 million and let's go draft our guy of the future. And Jacobi Berset is

there. And that gives them a bridge the gap quarterback for Drake May, who has a chance to be a standout, top tier, top 10 type quarterback in the league, but he's not ready to start right away. And so while it's a great night of celebration in new England where I live and, and everyone's talking about the quarterback future, like be patient, be patient. And that was the theme for the rest of the, for most of the rest of the top 10, be patient. It's like, hold, hold, you know, everyone wanted to make trades.

And I talked to four different GMs that were like, there's a lot of calls this year, a lot of calls, you know, teams moving up, moving back, getting things in place. But the way the board started coming off, every team is like, wait a second, the guy we really want is there. So why are we gonna get cute and move back, try to pick up additional picks and maybe get the second best receiver, the second best tackle, when the guy that we really think can come in

and make the biggest impact for us right now is the guy that's sitting on our board, atop our board, and we can take him. And that rang true throughout. Arizona sits there. There was talk about maybe they would move down a couple spots, let the Giants move up, and they can still take Marvin Harrison Jr. But then you're risking that someone moves into five to take Marvin Harrison Jr. I have thought Malik Nabors

is the most dynamic, explosive playmaker in this year's draft class. But MHJ is the most NFL ready receiver I've seen in a decade. And I think he's going to come in, he's going to be a great player. So they take Marvin Harrison Jr. at four, Chargers sit there, there's a lot of talk about J.C. Latham. They love J.C. Latham, but that was if they move back. You know, now they're sitting there

and they wind up, you know, taking their offensive tackle. The Giants, they did wanna move up for May, but Drake May was going number three to New England. So let's stand, and give the Giants some credit every year. I make some notes, Ryan, right? What was the information that was coming out just before that? Yeah. Just before the draft. And this is like two or two years in a row. Now misinformation gets out there. Every GM I talked to was like, you know, I'm hearing that, that the giants are going to take Romo Dune's a at number six,

if they stick there and can't get the quarterback because they don't want another OBJ. They don't want another Kaderius Tony situation because neighbors does come with a little he can be a little bit tough to manage. He's got that excitement of young wide receivers. And so there was a lot of talk of that all along. It was neighbors if they didn't go quarterback at that spot and they get the most dynamic playmaker in the draft.

Tennessee sits there at seven. They don't trade out, get an offensive tackle. Atlanta will get to the shock of it, but it got interesting because Atlanta and Chicago, every GM I talked to from pick 10 down to 20, was saying those are the spots that we can move up, whether it's offensive tackle, one of those wide receivers like Adunze,

who was still sitting there at nine, quarterback. Those are the spots that we think a team could move up to eight and nine because those guys want to move back, get additional picks. Atlanta could still get the same defensive player. That's what everyone thought. If they move back three, four or five spots, the bears only have four picks in the draft. They're going to move out of that nine spot. So everyone was kind of targeting that those spots eight and nine.

They just stayed home, take the players that want. And that's how it's a boring TV draft. But the teams got the best players on their boards when they were picking and guys that really filled needs. Trey Lockerbie I wanted to stay with the neighbors thing so I don't forget it. Because I thought this was really interesting. Bruce Feldman, who we love on the pod. He had a bunch of NFL people saying, hey, look, neighbors is the first guy. And you brought that up earlier in the process where it was kind of like, wait, how many other people are saying this? Because we all thought it was Marvin Harris Jr.

based on what we had seen in the mocks forever. So here was one source saying, he's as fast as the person chasing him. He's gonna run away from whoever. If Dion was chasing him, he'd go four, two, one, or whatever. He's the best wide receiver prospect since Chase and on tape, and I think he's even more impressive this dude is different.

However, I thought this was interesting. He goes, it's neighbors and then there's a gap, said an offensive NFL assistant. He's the best wide receiver in the draft a couple years. He's Ty Reekill combined with both of those San Francisco guys. He's so explosive, he has his second gear. He goes, he'll be the guy though who'll say something

to the coordinator coming off the field. He's got that edge to him where he doesn't know when to let up. So, you know, look, everybody likes it when it's working out. You know, it's competitiveness when you're winning and you're putting up big numbers. It's a distraction when the team is five and eight.

But it makes sense there. What's that where the team is five and eight. Uh, but it makes sense there. What's that? Don't go five and eight. Yeah. Right. Right. Uh, and who knows what's going to happen with the giants for a team that was in the playoffs just last year.

So if you look at Chicago at the top, you have to feel great about, I mean, there's this isn't, Hey, wow. Like you guys are so good at this. Do you think that getting Caleb and Rome are good things, but considering the lack of weapons and the bad luck that they've had, I mean, since 2017, this is the third quarterback they've drafted this high, going back to Mitch, Fields, and then Caleb.

And then it's really interesting too, cause you go, did Fields, I was thinking about this, did Fields, them giving Fields one more chance and trading out of the pick last year that ends up being Bryce Young to Carolina and then landing them Caleb this year, like if Caleb ends up being as good as I think he can be, it'll be pretty incredible that the origin story of it all is being patient with fields one more year

instead of taking a Bryce or a CJ Stroud who, you know, at least on paper right now you would regret because of what we've seen already from him at the NFL level. But to do it with Caleb to get him that way, I thought was an interesting part of it and then just not screwing around by adding more picks and going he's Rome is my favorite wide receiver in this class. And I thought it was interesting. I talked to a

general manager, we were just talking about who are the safest four players in this draft. And I thought it was interesting. I talked to a general manager and we were just talking about who are the safest four players in this draft. And it was Marvin Harrison Jr., Joel, the offensive tackle from, um, from Notre Dame, Brock Bowers from Georgia and Roma Dunze, uh, the wide receiver that the Chicago winds up getting. Best route runners in this class, Marvin Harrison, Jr. Odunze and Ricky Pearsall from Florida. So like you're getting a guy who has an outstanding maturity level coming into the league, who's NFL ready, who put up good workout numbers, but way more importantly, the production was there. He's a refined route runner. He can step in and make a big impact. And we talked about this last week.

I think we've talked about this last week, I think. We've talked about it a couple of times. The vast majority of number one overall picks that come into a situation, it's trash. It's a nightmare. Ownership problems, coaching problems, no weapons, no protection. We've seen it all and variations of it, depending you know going back to the previous years Bryce Young obviously Carolina Trevor Lawrence his first year with Jacksonville We talked about all this leading up and now you've got and we talked about the Chicago situation

How really like how strong it was with like a general manager? Who's done a really good job the last couple years a coaching staff that like is finally settled in a They brought in a new offensive coordinator that they believe in. And most importantly, you now have DJ Moore, which part of that trade, by the way, think about what they fleeced out of Carolina to get brace. Like when Schefter put up that tweet yesterday, like, Hey, haven't updated it fully because it's not completely done yet. But so far, here's what Chicago's got. DJ Moore, last year's picks, you know, Caleb Williams and whatever's coming next. You add all those, all of what they got up and Ryan

Poles deserves a lot of credit for the decision he made. And you don't know you're going to be picking, you know, where you're going to be picking with that Carolina pick, but you know, it's going to be early and you knew that there's going to be some great quarterbacks in this class. So there was some patience there, but again, DJ Moore, Keenan Allen, now you add Odunze is your number three, presumably and playing a lot of three receiver sets. You've got Cole Comedit tight end. So like look at all these weapons that he comes into and Deandre Swift and a

lot of depth at running back. Like this is a good situation for Caleb, like a truly good foundation, ownership, leadership, and weapons. You don't get that opportunity very often. I mean, almost never as the number one overall pick. Yeah, so it's DJ Moore, it's Rome, it's, excuse me, it's the number nine pick last year. And then it's the number one overall pick this year.

And then a second rounder, they still have a second rounder coming in 2025. So, um, yeah. And the Rome's their own pick. So it's not part of the trade there. All right. Let's talk about the thing everybody wants to talk about six quarterbacks to the first 12 highest or quickest we've ever gotten to six quarterbacks. Um, we've spent so much time talking about the guys at the top, but Atlanta

going with Pennix at number eight, he's 24 in May, Cousins just signed a four year deal that's you could say it could be a two year deal, maybe a three year deal. And then immediately we found out that Cousins was at best dismayed through his agent, through Pete Thamel. Yeah, that was interesting. That was interesting. Can I just start there. Can I start there? Yeah.

I get it. Right, right. But let me let me just do the cousins part first. Go ahead. I think this is alarming for a couple reasons. When Cousins was in DC with Colt, he wasn't cool about it. Okay. Colt was just cooler. And as a huge Colt McCoy fan, I'm not surprised by that. I think Colt just had a way that resonated better with his teammates, and yet it's Kirk's team. He's a better quarterback. And how did Kirk come in the league too?

Right. And Kirk comes in as the second pick in the same draft after RG3. Okay. Correct. So there's just some odd you know dynamics there. It's like this shit's happening again huh? Right but here's where I'm a little frustrated. You know I've not been the biggest Kirk fan over the years but I give him credit last year you know I thought he played really well before he got hurt. I thought he was tough as nails and I completely understand. That was the best season I've ever seen him play. All right, so we're on the same page there because I'm incredibly frustrated with his approach of playing the game in the past despite the numbers looking really good. But I was fine with Atlanta going, hey, you know what? We've got all these weapons. We just need somebody who we can trust

here because there's no point in kicking it off week one unless we have somebody we can trust. So fine with the contract even though it's certainly very risky and he's not always been my favorite guy. But the fact that we knew Kirk was upset within minutes of the pick is the most alarming part. Okay? That's it. That's the part where I'm like, so, you know, hey, his camp is really upset. Well, what's the camp? The camp's two people. It's the agent who already did the deal and then it's Kirk and then they were basically like the Atlanta part of it. They're not going to talk to anyone unless he's talked to the player first. Right. And they called him while they were on the clock saying, hey, we're doing the

Penics thing. And then when I was reading the Atlanta stuff this morning, they were like, well, we're not going to get too much into Kirk. So he must've gone off. And you know, it reminds me a bit of the Belichick Brady stuff in that you know how many times Brady was furious about some of the roster and personnel decisions that they've made. And just Brady wasn't ever going to go there and Kirk hasn't even played a snap for this team yet. He got the contract and he's already mad about Penex and we found out

immediately. You know look. I don't I don't love't, I don't love that. I don't love that we knew immediately, even if it's entertaining. And then there's the entire decision to take Penex this high on top of everything else. So go wherever you want. Well, it's not hard if you're Kirk and you've been in this league and you know the business as long as he has. And you would think the maturity level that it is, you know, instilled in you like he is as seasoned as it gets in terms of understanding the media, understanding

the dynamics, understanding what every word that comes out of his mouth, how that's going to resonate, where it's going to go, all of it. So for him with all that experience and knowledge to do what he did and to talk to his agent and show the frustration that he had, like it's, I don't care if you MF everyone in the organization up and down in that private phone call, like that's fine. Will it mean anything in the long run? Who knows? I mean, Aaron Rodgers was treated like a, like a stepchild for, you know, for the first, what, four years of his career by, by Brett and it turned out fine, you know, for the first, what, four years of his career by, by Breton, it turned out fine, you know, like they don't have to have a great relationship. Let's not get that mixed up, but it sends the wrong message, especially the first year. Here's

the thing. Like now let's get into the analysis of the pick and the decision and what they did Atlanta. I'm not saying they had to do it, but I absolutely applaud their organization for making this decision. I do. Like if you want to be good and have an organization that's sustained success over time and you're bringing in an aging quarterback who is coming off an Achilles injury and it's like, there's some short-term concern, right? Like how is he going to be?

Is he going to be himself? You know, where's the, where's, where is he in the process of recovery? But this is much more like long-term. But Kirk came in and his ego is bruised because he views this as I've got two, three years left. Let's go make a run. So go get me an edge rusher so the defense is better, right?

Or whatever, whatever it is. I know you've spent first round picks on a tight end, wide receiver running back the last few years, go get an edge rusher, get me the ball back. And now all of a sudden his ego is bruised. He's like, wait a second, they're thinking beyond me? Well, yeah, they're thinking beyond you. I'm a general manager. I'm trying to make this thing run for four or five years so I keep my job and I can build a legacy and my coaching said, you know, like, but so Atlanta made the right decision because you've got to look at it with Kirk cousins and those young weapons and Bijon Robinson running back, like they have a team that's not going to be picking in the top eight anytime

soon. That's my belief. I just don't see that. So now next year, you're picking a 22, 23, like there's no quarterback opportunity there realistically. So let's get this guy now because this is about the organization for the next five years and beyond. And so they did the right thing. Now it can, two things can be true here. They made the right organizational decision, but did they do it with the right guy? That's the interesting part. JJ McCarthy to me based off my board, my evaluation and everything else is the guy that was rated higher.

But I'll say this, I can understand why Atlanta went with Pennix in this regard. This is not a team that's gonna line up in 12 personnel, one running back, two tight ends, pound it and run the offense that Jim Harbaugh ran with JJ McCarthy in college. This is an organization that has gone all in right with weapons Drafted the top eight picks right the last three years tight end pits

Drake London and wide receiver Bijon Robinson at running back. They want to spread you out Bijon's a receiver out of the backfield They want to spread you out and attack who's the best pure pastor in this class Michael Pennings, Jr So that's, I love, look, I love Pentecost, but I mean, there's, there's some alarming outside the pocket stuff with him where once you're, you're forced to kind of move them, it, you know, you could talk about office spot or whatever, but it's not what you would want. It was not what you want with a 10 year, with a guy who's a top 10 pick now, who again, the injury history alone, no injury history, everything clean, the age thing, whatever, not that big of a deal. I'm kind of with you. I kind of like the pick

just because it was such a strong philosophical approach to the whole thing, but I also understand cousin's part of it. But then sometimes I'm like, it kind of reminds me a bit of the Garoppolo deal where they took a second rounder because Brady was 37. You didn't know Brady was gonna turn into Captain America, but at that point if you're Brady, imagine how pissed Brady must have been when they took Garoppolo in the second round. He's like you know can we actually get another receiver here that maybe is good? That's what broke up the dynasty. Right, right. So do you like the pick from a philosophical standpoint? you like the pick from a philosophical standpoint?

I like the pick from a philosophical standpoint. I'm not sure if you're gonna upset the Apple cart. You better believe in PENIX and they do. I would have gone JJ McCarthy there. You had an opportunity to take a quarterback that I had rated higher. But again, like I always try to put myself, so they didn't wake up and say one morning and say, how are we going to screw this up? Like, let's really screw this thing up. Let's get everyone all fired up. You know, let's turn the media again. Like, so what was their thing?

I think that's much more rational, like reasonable, productive approach to all this analysis. What was their reasoning? And I just gave it to you. We want to spread people out. We want to attack in the air. and the best downfield passer in this class the best pure pocket passer in this class is Michael Pennings jr. And he can throw it down the field we can get home runs with home run hitters, right? And like we've been missing that we've been so worried about protecting the quarterback position How about we actually pair these weapons with the guy who can attack you and can be a problem down the field. But I'll say this, you better be able to protect because now you've got an aging Achilles tear

quarterback as your bridge and you've got a quarterback who not only has the two knee injuries and the shoulder injuries, but in big games against Oregon regular season last year in the national championship against Michigan struggled to stay healthy in the fourth quarter, the wear and tear that his body takes, because if he doesn't get the ball out on time and the defense is throwing some confusing looks, he's, he, he doesn't have the mobility to protect himself. Okay. So they better have their offensive line situation figured out for the next few

years. And that better be the number one priority, even though they, you know, they need defense and all these other things like they better be able to protect cause they've got two guys that they've now invested a boatload of money in. Okay. So let's go to the Vikings then. And the JJ decision, you, I loved it. All right, go for it. I mean, think about it. We talked about them moving up to number three to get Drake Mac. You. I loved it. All right, go for it. I mean, think about it. We talked about them moving up to number three to get Drake May. Okay. I don't even know that they like Drake May over JJ McCarthy. Let's say they did slightly, but it was kind of close. Like, you know, obviously the history,

they have the quarterback coach of Minnesota with Drake May and going back to high school. Like I get all that stuff. Yeah. Yeah. So if, so if it was close, I'm looking at it and saying, all right, what's it going to cost me to move up from, from 11 to number three to go get Drake may, which was, I don't know that there was enough, you know, T in China to get to the end of deal done with new England. I think at the end of the day, they wanted to stick there and take may, but let's say that they were able to move up there. Like the, the trade chart says from 11 to 3, it's about a thousand points. But when you're talking about

a team who needs a quarterback moving off that spot for another team that's coming to get into the quarterback, we're talking like 13 to 1500 points. So what did Minnesota do? They sat back, they were patient, they understood the situation. I told you this last week, they're doing a cost analysis on what it's going to take to go get a guy versus what we can get sitting back at 11. And I think it came down to two like JJ or Penex at 11. Because by doing that, they move up from 11 to 10 in a small deal, they gave up a fourth and a fifth round pick to move up, which is the equivalent of about a hundred points. And then the second time, they, the second time they moved up in the first round to go get Dallas Turner,

they gave up about 800 points to move up with a second this year and a second next year. So now we're talking 900 points. They've given up. And then they had the, the, uh, I love the point talk. Yeah. I know. But the fifth, this year, arouse third next year, the fourth next year was about 250, 300 points. So add it all up. The three moves they made to get Houston's pick at 23 to move up from 11 to Ted to get their quarterback and JJ McCarthy and to move up from 23 to go get the best edge rusher in this class and Dallas Turner,

they gave up 1250 points equivalent, which is less than what it would have taken to go up and get Drake May at number three. Now we'll see how it plays out, but now you get the best edge rusher in the class and a quarterback that you're really comfortable with. I think they made the right decision. I have a Dallas Turner observation. Turner, one of the guys that was the biggest fallers based on where the mocks had him, say eight, nine, 10, end up at 17.

He's not gonna be thrilled. That's not fun if you're a young dude. It's not a fun deal looking at your bank account going, hey, I thought I was gonna be getting this. Because that's kind of where he was projected to go. That's kind of like the last cutoff of some of the money if you look at historically some of the scale of like, okay, where does it feel like it falls off here a little bit?

It drops about a million dollars per pick. Yeah. Not, not ideal. Not ideal. If you have aspirations for guaranteed money over a, over a rookie contract is what it drops off. So, yeah, I'd be like, I'm going to be visiting, you know, I'm gonna have to get a place in Beaver Creek and not Aspen.

Like that's what you're thinking if you're him. So I have these moments when I watch the draft where there's small observations and they're like almost that that blink test. OK. Where you just see how a dude's handling himself. When Beanie Wells fell asleep with food on his leg, I was like, I don't know. I don't like this footage. Like, there's better. That's not good film. When Jamarcus Russell was drafted number one, and I didn't understand one fucking

word he said, except for I think young jock seven times. I was like, Oh, okay. When Dallas Turner ate Doritos CD lamb when he took the phone? That made me think big rookie, huge extension office with the contract. When I saw that decision by C.D. Lamb, I'm like, I want to invest in him. This guy gets it. Yeah. When Russell Wilson, at the beginning, I was like, oh no, bad decision maker.

But then he had moved on from her and upgraded. And so then I was like, okay, you know, this makes sense. We didn't know that this was, I didn't know I wasn't familiar with your game. So when Dallas Turner ate Doritos, I couldn't stop wondering whether or not he washed his hands before he started dapping up every single person. I hope a local media member in Minnesota is brave enough to ask the question. Now defensive and edge guy, you may not want him to have washed his hands. Quarterback, I would have wanted him to wash his hands. Edge guy, maybe you don't worry about it. What are you with this theory? I mean, outside of like Cheetos, I don't think there's anything worse from a stain, like immediate stain perspective than Doritos.

So you gotta do like one of these, right? That's not gonna work though, cause you're dapping up these guys. And you're also, when he was hugging everybody in the suits, like Tarian's suit, I thought was one of the nicest suits last night. That was so clean, that pink suit. Yeah, it was aggressive, but it also it also to your point was clean, worked,

he looked great in it and then when he hugged him I was like is he getting Doritos on the back of this jacket? Yeah I mean it's we may never know but it's I don't know forever. I don't think I care that yeah I definitely want to move on but I don't think I care. And I kind of respect the fact that he doesn't care if he just like, yeah. And honestly, the move is tap him up and like give it up. Cause like Doritos you do this and you get like the outer crust, but there's always that like layer on your finger, that orange layer.

So that like maybe just a swipe on the back, like now it's yours. That good painter, right? Yeah, you want to be a dog if you're an edge. I didn't really love, I didn't love the video footage of him though. I would, I think I could, I think I would have just as good of a hit rate

watching guys in the green room. Like, yep, no, yep, no, no, yep, yep, yep. So, or not green room, but like the whole thing. But yeah, still a working theory, still a working theory, still going with it. All right, so let's talk Denver and Bo Nix, where you could argue that what Sean Payton has done is drafted Drew Brees at the end of Drew Brees' career.

Because I think that's the issue with Nix. I think that it's a limited throw palette, if I wanna try to make something simple sound more complicated, which we all seem to love to do in sports. Right as he was drafting Knicks, Adam Schefter had the incredible anecdote that Sean Payne just knew Mahomes was going to be the guy, was going to draft him, was going to put the name in and somehow he wasn't able to do it because Kansas City ended up grabbing the guy where I'm like, well, if you thought he was going to be

this good, then you should have gotten in front of somebody else. Okay, so like that. And I just think if you're gonna- Good story not buying it. Yeah, if you're gonna take Nick's, lower the comp a little bit, lower the comp a little. Like it was just a weird combination of, hey, he loves Nick's, he got his guy, thinks he could be awesome, he wanted my homes.

And you were like, what the hell, like what's going on? Everything I keep hearing is, you know, sees a lot of the same type. Obviously they're not exactly the same building, but sees a lot of the same things in Nick's that he saw in drew breeze, second round pick. Um, you know, and, and if you, if you're buying what's being sold, like he made drew breeze, drew breeze, right? Guy with a unbelievable accuracy, quick release, fastest, you know, some of the fastest eyes of the quarterback position.

We've seen in the last couple of decades, like accurate, but like not, not a guy who's going to challenge you vertically, not, you know, not standing in the pocket and driving the ball 30, 40 yards down the field consistently, all that stuff. And that's what Nick's could be. I mean, a lot of a lot of like, I like this processing. I thought when I studied, he said, I like this processing. I'm good with him in the pocket, the toughness hanging in there, going from read one, two, three.

Like I'm good with all that. I'm better than good. I'm like, I'm not great, but I'm like check plus, not check plus plus, if you will. Okay. Check plus. Accurate. And then he's, he's really adept in like the short intermediate stuff. I think he didn't have to throw a ton of anticipation throws in the, in that offense.

There was a lot of screens, short yard, you know, RPOs, those things. And then a lot of rail routes like verticals down the sideline. Okay. But he sees in him and, and you know, the story came out, I think it's, you know, I love the backstories about they gave him a playbook with an install the night before that they worked him out. I think it was like after his pro day. Uh, but the night before they were going to do the private workout with him and he, and he like knew it like he'd been playing in it for years. Right?

So Sean at that point decided he was his guy What I want to say to this big picture is like I love stories like this. I Promise you I've talked to Let's call it a dozen maybe maybe a little more maybe a couple less But at least at least ten guys in the league who are high ranking Evaluators and decision makers in their organization. Nobody else had a first round grade on him. I view him as a backup. I love the dude. I love the story.

I love his competitiveness. I think he's smart football guy. He's going to give you every ounce of him. I just love him. But if I'm running an organization here, I think he's probably a backup and I can live with that. But now he's in Sean Payton's system and Sean loves him and they're going to work together. And so if he was going to be just a backup, we now know that someone has found something that he loves and can envision what his future is. So I do think that he's going to wind up being better in Denver than he would have been just about anywhere else in the league as a second round pick. Okay. But my goodness, this is an arrogant pick. This is an arrogant pick. And Sean

Peyton does like, he doesn't need a pat on the back. He doesn't need to prove anything at this point. But if he coaches Bo Nix into a pro bowl type of player and they go make deep playoff runs with this guy, it's better than any coaching job he did with Drew Brees. I'm just going to say it right now. Like this will be his Holland's opus, if you will. Like this will be his thing. Mr. Because what he did with Bruce Brees was great. They won a super bowl. Like, you know, but like Brees was much more NFL, like his skillset translated my opinion more than Bo Nicks. So this is,

Hey, I know I can coach this individual. I know I can bring out his greatness and, but it's all dependent on Sean Payton and his work with Bo Nicks. So it's the all time, like, you know, F you like, Hey, you guys don't think he's a starter. You're going to take him to the second round. I'm taking him at 12 and we're going to go chase the super bowl. So I love it in that regard, but it's hard to buy it based off of what I've seen on tape.

This is going to be fascinating. Like I'm going to love watching Denver now. I'm going to love watching, you know, Sean Payton, what he does with Bo Nicks, because this is the all time. I'm better at coaching quarterbacks than y'all I Got this the Schefter tweet just to give it more clarification what we're talking about because it actually reads back even worse Than I remember from last night with all the different things flying around So Schefter's tweet is this quote Sean Payton wanted an intended a draft Mahomes in

2017 where he held the 11th overall pick he was ready to turn in the car before he could. The chiefs traded up to the bill spot a 10 and took Mahomes one spot before Payton got him, leaving the Saints to draft Ohio State cornerback Marshawn Latimore. All right. So maybe, okay, maybe, but this world is literally- No, I know that was true. I know that was true. And I know, yeah, I'm talking to people in that organization, like I knew that they wanted Mahomes and he wasn't getting past that spot. It was 12, right?

They were picking a 12 that year, I believe. Or wherever, 11, whatever it was. Yeah, so- Maybe it was 11. The last line is the part where you're like, Peyton feels as strongly about Bo Nix as he did Mahomes. And that's where you're like, whoa. Yeah, I mean, I, well, maybe to talk to Sean and be like,

so you think he's going to be as good as I think he's like, he feels like his conviction for what he can get out of him is probably as strong as what he thought he could get out of Mahomes. And remember Mahomes wasn't forever. Mahomes mechanics were a mess. He didn't play within the system. It was a lot of the same things we're hearing about Caleb Williams, but we've seen Mahomes develop into Mahomes and people are a lot more comfortable as the game has changed and you need quarterbacks with more mobility who can create outside of the system and what the system is asking them. The game has changed, so that's more allowed.

And Mahomes has proven, I'm the best in the world at this. So now teams are like, yeah, I want that guy versus I'm not sure. He doesn't fit what the NFL is looking for in terms of mechanics, footwork, pocket presence. That's not what Mahomes was. So it was a gamble. There's a reason why he was sitting there at 10. And if the Chiefs loved him as much as they should have traded even more to go up and get him at one or two or three. You know what I mean?

So like, he was a gamble and Bo Nix is a bigger gamble. The upside was always greater with the Holmes. With Nix, there's some upside, but again, Denver sees something in him that nobody else in the league truly sees at that same level. So this is all Sean Payton's deal. Yeah, look, just looking back at that draft. So the saints ended up with 11. So it was right. One pick right before him. It's the miles Garrett

Trubisky, Solomon Thomas went third in that draft, um, for net. So, you know, that was the running back that bucked the trends, but I still wondered, okay, is that going to be worth it? Corey Davis, who's kind of like my NFL Jeff Green, just can't ever give up on him. Jamal Adams, who looked like, Jamal Adams was this Swiss Army knife that fixed everything and then he found out he might be the single most annoying

guy in the NFL. And I mean, he just, it turned into like, I don't even wanna hear from this guy anymore. Then Mike Williams McCaffrey, John Ross, Combine legend going nine, which is usually always a mistake. And then there's Mahomes right around Latimore and then Watson following. So look, all right, fine. The story's true, but man, that is an aggressive comp for him.

Okay, let's talk the rest of the way here for another 10 minutes or so on just the other stuff that you really like from the first round. Jacksonville, I like that pick. I like Jacksonville moving up, you know, Brian Thomas or moving back. So are moving back, getting additional picks and getting Brian Thomas. You know, they had to fill the void. Calvin Ridley leaving. You've got a quarterback who's at that like, you know, fork in the road.

You know, is he going to take that next step or are we just going to kind of keep going at this level? And how are we going to take the next step as an organization? I think Brian Thomas gives them that like an outside someone who can be a vertical threat, take advantage of Trevor Lawrence's arm and ability to drive the ball down the field. I like that a lot. I loved Arizona's draft. They could like we saw Monte Austin for last year in his first year pulling the, pulling the strings and, and a lot of movement. I think he traded or moved more

than any other GM in the league last year. And this year he comes in and we think, all right, he's got a bunch of picks, could he move around? Is he gonna get cute, move back a little bit, let a team come up and take a quarterback? He just stayed pat. And I don't know like the dynamics behind it. I don't know if the calls weren't as serious as, as maybe the perception was leading up.

But I think to stay home and say, you know what? Let's not screw this up. Let's take Marvin Harrison Jr. We know what he's going to be. We got to get Kyler a legitimate weapon. And that's what they did. And then, you know, and then sitting there and getting toward 27, which was acquired from their 2023 draft trade with the Texans, landing a disruptive defensive lineman. Like, I don't think a lot of people know Darius Robinson. He was an interior defensive lineman in that 280,

283 pound range who was a really good player as an interior guy. Then they moved him out to edge this past year and his, his, um, his pressure percentage double went from 6% to 13% as an edge. So you're seeing like what he can be as a guy. You can play in the edge, you can kick him inside at times. But I think getting Robinson where they did at 27, not moving up and getting additional picks. I've liked what they've been able to do in a two year span in the draft. Now we've got to see if it's going to turn into something on the field. And then the receiver part was fascinating to me too.

At the end of the first round, you know, we had this great receiver class, but we talked about this, like teams want to get their offensive tackle, want to get their quarterback and want to get their edge early on in this draft because they know in the second round, it kind of, it just runs out. And so the receivers are going to fall. And I wondered, we talked about this a lot in the last couple, couple podcasts, are teams going to wait until the second round? Well, clearly teams were like, first of all, and this is the other thing that you brought up, which was a great point, Ryan, these receivers are getting paid so much damn money.

Let's get into the, let's get into the, you know, into the first round, let's move back in. Or if we're picking late in the first lit, now, now we've waited long enough. Let's let this receiver run start. And we saw that because we want to get that fifth year option on him. We don't want to be dealing with this in three years, talking about renegotiating all that. We want to wait and get that fifth year option. So you saw Xavier worthy who makes all the sense in the world. I mean, he's MBS, a little smaller, faster version of MBS, but he can actually catch

the ball. Xavier Worthy, he has some drops here and there, but he's 5.4% drop rate, which is in the same, at Clumpton, Marvin Harrison Jr. was 6.9, Lad McConkey was 6.3, Xavier Worthy 5.4. So this guy can catch the football. There's a lot more reliable down the field. So they take Xavier Worthy, they move up a few spots and get Xavier Worthy. Now we've got locked him in for five years. You've got Ricky Pearsall, who I think is

going to be like, everyone talked about Lad McConkie coming out. I've always thought that Pearsall was going to be a better pro. And at least the 49ers agreed with that. And now it's going to be interesting to see with Brandon Iyuk and Debo Samuel moving forward. Like, does this signal anything? But they needed a route runner and they got that in Piersol. And then Xavier Ligette, the wide receiver, big vertical threat, contested catches down the field guy. Ligette comes off the board. Carolina trades into 32 to get him. So the run started with receivers there towards the last four picks of the first round. And I think it's going to continue quickly. I think it's going to be AD Mitchell who has

some durability issues coming out of Texas, but that's why he's still on the board. Lad McConkey, who I mentioned out of Georgia, Keon Coleman out of Florida State. Those are the guys that are going to come off quickly. And I'm interested to see if the Jets who were picking a 10, move down to 11, got a couple of additional picks, if they're going to try to package picks to move up because they really wanted a weapon but knew the right decision was to take an offensive tackle, a left tackle in Ole Foshanu. They did the right thing. They got protection, two 33-year-old offensive tackles with an aging quarterback in Aaron Rodgers,

but now they need a weapon to go with them. And I think that the Jets would be a team to watch out for trading up to try to get one of these second round receivers. Yeah, the receiver run at the end was not shocking because I think it was just the teams that had a need there were going, we don't want to screw around with this. Like, let's just make sure we've got, let's add to

this. That's where the bills getting out of there, though, maybe is a little surprising, considering how the depth chart looks at the position. But I had heard that only because they know they need two of them. Right. So I had been told, like, look for them to move back. And then in the second and third round, take two receivers. We'll see. Okay.

I'm with you on Worthy though, because I sense the hesitation from you that I have that you're like, okay, so like, I just don't like him as much as Ligette, but then I have to complete like if Worthy with a different team is a different evaluation, because now with Mahomes and going, hey, do we have this piece that we feel like challenges the

top because even though rice was was pretty good this year, I wouldn't say it was like off the charts. Amazing but pretty good. It might just be an element where my homes is like hey, I know no one's Tyreek but can we can we add something that well she she rises where she rises within five yards of the line of scrimmage. That's his game. Quick, quick, quick, quick, you know, quick, slow at the quick game.

These go screens really effective, really. But with, with that, you better have someone on the other side or on his side that can get vertical and can take some attention away from that. And I guarantee you this, Xavier worthy is going to be a different receiver with Patrick Mahomes and he is with Quinn Ewers. So I was kinda hoping if San Francisco was gonna go receiver, they'd go LeGette

cause I just would love to see if Iyuk is still there. Deebo, Iyuk and LeGette all lined up together. So here's what it signals to me and I kind of alluded to it. Yeah, I mean, yes, I gotcha. But it signals to me, who are they trying to replace here? Debo is not a route runner.

Debo is not a guy who's going to go down and separate with his great precision as routes and all that stuff. Debo is a reverse putting them backfield screen game, all that stuff. Right. We know that the route runner, like the consistent guy short intermediate, you know, a little bit beyond vertical is Iuke. He's the reliable guy. Pearsall, while he ran at a 4-4-1 and had a 42 inch vertical and is much more explosive than people want to give him credit for, he is, I would say, let's just lump them together.

Marvin Harrison Jr., O'Doonze, and Pearsall are the three best route runners in this class. So if you want to read into it, it looks like they're trying to replace that guy and I don't know when that's going to happen. But in worst case is a great case. You got all three of these guys and you got a second really good route runner, but it's, I don't know with all the smoke pre-draft drafting a great route runner. It just seems to me like something's going to happen with IE,

with IEUK. IEUook. I'm talking too much there. Yeah. All right. Let's close on this. Let's talk. Yep. Best available. It is a really exciting group. This is because I was looking at the Niner's depth chart again here. It's like, you know, maybe they just like, hey, do we want the third receiver at least for this year until the next contract decision is made where we feel like the third guy? Because it's just been been like I've liked Jennings I liked Bell in college a lot and I think he's had little glimpses with San Francisco where you were like okay

but let's talk best available as far as day two getting started. Yeah so I think with just keep in mind with um NIL transfer portal only 54 underclassmen coming out this year where you're going to see the drop off is like late in the third round and then fourth, fifth, six, seven. It's just not as much, but no one cares about that because everyone's focused on the first round guys and early second round guys and all that. So you're going to see a drop off. But I say all that say by saying there's still a ton of talent in the second round. Like you're getting big time starters,

more talent in the second round this year than I think in some other years. Let's put it that way. Top of my list, Jean Cooper or Cooper, Jean, sorry from, um, from Iowa. I thought he'd be a first round pick, coming off the injury. A lot of teams want to play him at safety or like that star nickel position. Don't know if he's going to be an outside corner. Bottom line, like a lot of guys I trust in the league really like him as a football player and he can be a punt returner as well. So little surprise with Dijin still on the board, but he won't, it won't take long to come off the board. One

of your favorite players in the draft and to be honest, one of my favorite players in the draft, Johnny Newton, Illinois defensive tackle, Zurhan, Johnny Newton. I'm surprised he's a three technique. I think, I think Grady Jarrett, I've said all along, he is Grady Jarrett. So if three, the team looking for a three technique penetrate, get up the field. Johnny Newton is going to come off the board quickly. Kool-Aid McKinstry. It's interesting. Listen to Nick Saban. I don't know if you heard him last night. He loves Terry on Arnold. Miss Terry, his wife loves Terry on Arnold, the character. And he loves the fact that he didn't transfer when things were down.

Nick was on him hard. He was kind of a bust based off of where he was recruited and what he was supposed to be for the first couple of years. But then this past year, he grinded through it, didn't transfer and became the player that he was. But McKinstry, if you really listened to Nick last night, he's like, I get it. Terrians got all the measurables and the upside may be higher, but like Kool-Aid is the guy. Like he, the instincts that he's natural corners played there his whole life. Like Arnold was safety anyway, Kool-Aid to me was the guy that Nick was kind of pushing me. If you want a guy who can come in and play right now and be better, it's cool aid.

So I don't think he lasts long at the cornerback position. Then after that, AD Mitchell, wide receiver, Texas. We talked about why he's still available, but he's explosive at 6,2205, ran a 4,340. Lad McConkey, the other wide receiver we mentioned from Georgia. Keon Coleman, another receiver we mentioned from Florida state. Big guy doesn't have great speed for six one, but he's physical and can make contested catches. Then a few other guys not at receiver. Brayden Fisk, I told you, I love this guy.

He is, he's just a spark plug at defensive tackle. And it's Ray Kistra, the cornerback from Missouri, another cornerback, Max Melton from Rutgers, Chris Jenkins, a player I really like. There's just a lot of talent. There's a lot of talent. And I think there will be a lot of teams trying to move up to get one in like the top 15, 17 picks in the second round, because they know that there are guys who are pretty much as good as like picks 23, 24, 25 in the first round. You were awesome throughout the season

and certainly you got a lot of stuff in and this has been a terrific week. So thanks and I know it's probably weird for you sitting at home for the first time in what, 20 years? Yeah. Yeah, I'm gonna, I'll hold off on saying like, I'm trying to be a good boy. It was interesting watching the draft last night on all the different broadcasts.

I see maybe it was because it was chalk, but it was, it was not as like the urgency and like, you know, from here to there, maybe the trades is what creates that. It felt like in my career sitting on the desk, I guess, with the energy of the crowd, it was a lot more exciting than what I experienced last night. I'll leave it there. That's gotta be weird. It's, it's gotta be weird. Weirdly at peace with it. Like good sabbatical year. I know, I don't know exactly where I'm going to be, but I know we're heading there for next year.

I'm excited about what's coming up. I had a lot of, a lot of time with the kids this year, a lot of good stuff. So I'm weirdly cool with it. A lot of people texted me yesterday, but it's time to go. Here we go. 2025. I'm ready. All right. We'll be watching. Thanks as always, Todd. Appreciate it. All right, brother. I'll talk to you soon. So now you know what's possible. Let me tell you what's required. Okay, we're doing this live here on YouTube with Kyle and Steve. Life advice, the email address is lifeadvicerr at gmail.com. I'm ready to go. I don't know how much we need to check in with everybody here.

Where are you guys at with reviews? Have you ever left a review not motivated by like a coupon code or something? Have you gone, you know what? I had this experience. I am now going to leave a review. eBay. Ooh, on a seller. So yeah, so me a broken Xbox. I think I bought a women's watch by accident, but it wasn't advertised. So that one, when I first got to college, it was like the freedom thing kind of hit me hard. And I was like, I could buy whatever I want. And I depleted all my savings, buying secondhand polo button ups,

and just lots of stuff that I thought I could never have. But then I was just running wild. So I think I got a kitschy stuff too. I got a golf ball grinder, which people were like, why didn't you just get a regular one? So it's just like I was buying everything on eBay. And sometimes, at least back then, they weren't always just get a regular one? Um, so it's just like, I was buying everything on eBay and sometimes, at least back then, uh, they weren't always vetting everything that, that went through. So I left a couple of you like reviews there, but other than that, no.

I've left a couple on Amazon just because yeah, like mostly if it's like, you're trying to help out your fellow man, if something's not as it seems, that's, that's really it. Like if you, if you got screwed and there's like clearly somebody pulling one over on somebody else, like let your, let your fellow man know that's going down. But no, I love going on like Yelp though. And some guys like, he was like a restaurant, like a one star review because you know, like the water didn't have ice in it. You're like, come on, like, come on guy.

Like you forgot my drink order. International dining. They hate ice over there. So, you know, what are you going to do? I saw some standup the other day. There were the guy was like, the effort it takes to leave the three star review. Not great, not bad. Yeah, it was really good. It was well executed.

I need to let the world know the steak was fine. Cause you're always- That had better burgers, that had worse burgers. You're always more motivated to complain about something than you are to praise it. But if the level of effort into complain, praise and then just tell people everything's like, yeah, it's all right, but let me make sure I share this

with the world, that's real dedication is the third option. And some of those sites, you can see the person's like, you know, foodie 71797 reviews. You're like, wow, this is a way of life for you. And I imagine you're not getting paid either. So that's just like a real extreme hobby. OK, well, that leads to this six foot one eighty five player comp. Thabo Cephalo show scrappy defender, limited offensive game again. Thabo wore the air max, the 1990s air maxes in basketball games. And I know people said it's because

of the injury that happened when he got in the altercation with the police that seemed to be pretty aggressive. But still, I can't imagine playing basketball in those shoes. No traditional gym stats, but I could squat clean 225, which leads me into my dilemma. I've been going to a small privately owned gym for less than a year now, small facility, but never crowded and has all the equipment you need. The one problem is the owner is kind of a dick. While there have been a few odd moments, two over the last month resulted in a minor verbal altercation between us this week.

The first was directly after I finished a tough workout, was sitting on a bench to catch my breath. Some staff at the gym, which is currently under minor renovations, were moving light equipment and materials out of a second side room so it could be clean when the owner looks at me and yells, you really gonna sit there and stare at us and not get over here and help me try to make the gym nice for you?

What is the like, hey, I'm here doing a workout. I just finished shoulders. Yeah, well, like this is like your dad yelling at you. You just gonna sit there and play video games all day? Hey Chip and Nick, would you just go over there playing with your thumbs? Kyle loves Chip and Nick. Yeah, it's never gonna get old.

Chip and Nick is great. Great. Dudes love Chip and Nick. Yeah. While a little put off by the comment, as I am not employed by the gym, we're put off on your behalf. I proceeded to be a good guy

and helped them finish up moving things for 10 minutes to which I received no thank you or acknowledgement. The second incident was after another gym goer just finished squatting 305 and racked the entire side of weights first. So three plates proceeded. Well, maybe not three. Proceeded to fall off the bar onto my foot as I was grabbing water in between sets. That's not great. He was extremely apologetic and thankfully I was not seriously injured, but the gym owner was standing about 10 yards away, did not even acknowledge anything happened. Fast forward to the end of my workout in which I was doing some Olympic lifting and could use, and use chalk. I recognize using chalk is generally a bad

guy move, but typically extremely conscious about wiping everything down after the use. I accidentally forgot to clean up some that was on the ground, leaving the gym and entering my car. The gym owner comes out berating me to get back in there and clean the chalk and says the only reason he isn't hotter Quote he isn't hotter is because I had weights dropped my foot that day. I quickly respond seriously I'm sorry. I forget to clean the shock one time and walked back in and wiped it up I have no problem with the substance of why he was mad I should clean up the chalk but the tone and weight drop comment pissed me off. Annoyed, but respecting he was working with a client, something clearly he didn't care about,

I left and sent an email saying, I would be happy to chat in person, reference the two incidents, and said I wanna be treated with more respect as a paying customer. He responds, still not acknowledging any of his crazy behavior towards a customer. Yes, let's chat in person.

I wanna bring some things to your attention. To honor my word, I went back in the next day to chat. However, he wasn't there, so I sent an email saying he could call me if he wanted to talk, which I did not hear from him. I have already decided to cancel my membership and go elsewhere, but is leaving a bad Google review and a small business going too far. I've never left a bad Google review in my life and know the impact they can have. But one, fuck this guy.

Two, I feel like the potential gym goer should be aware of how he treats customers. Sorry for the long email, Love the Pop. Lot going on, Steve? I have no issue with it. I'm typically, we talked about this in previous things, like I don't send food back, I really don't like to be conversational.

This guy just sounds like he doesn't like you. So I think fuck this guy, to be honest with you. And I'd leave the review. Ordinarily, I would not. It was like a minor thing or, you know, you don't like certain things about the gym or even if they like the guy who owns it is a hard on you, just don't like him. But he's he's like personally attacking you and then now avoiding you. I, I don't, I say, I don't know that I'd personally do it, but I wouldn't have an

issue if you did it. I think I would give pause of the small business thing. Like if this was the, you this was the Hollywood LA Fitness, no doubt. But I mean, there's a swath... Anything like that, like a big business. There's already enough bad reviews that you probably don't even need to throw one more on the pile. It seems like this guy was treating that gym like average Joes from dodgeball. This is a collective, we're all pulling our weight here, but he's not really a good communicator at all. He was trying to like get you

involved. Like he's gonna sit over there while we're while we're improving the gym. Like, yeah, sorry, this isn't average Joe's and like, I don't have a stake in this company here. So I think leaving would have been just what I did. I don't think I would would do the small business killer thing. But I don't know, it seems like the guy's more unaware than he is evil. But I don't know, do you, is there any chance that email is a pain in the ass?

No, because I think he, Oh, all right. Well, what do you got? Well, there's no like evidence in this email, but like, why else would this guy who owns this place be such a hard out to you specifically about this? You know, like you're not asking anybody else to do it. So clearly he has isolated you as a problem or somebody that needs to carry their weight despite the fact that you're a paying customer.

So it's not out of the realm of possibility for me. I just, who knows? You have to be self-aware. We don't have a lot of evidence. The chalk thing does kind of suck. You didn't clean it. He tapped his chest on that though. He wasn't like, I was on my way to do it.

He could have totally lied and been like, I went to the water fountain, I was coming back. Like he told the real story, it sounds like. He was in the car, right. So I think the only thing that was a little alarming is that when he wasn't thanked, he told us that he wasn't thanked for moving any of the stuff.

Now it sounds like it's a small gym. It's not a corporate gym, it's not a franchise gym. So this is this guy's life's work, okay? This is this guy's life's work. And if the owner was comfortable enough to tell you to help him move shit for free for 10 minutes. And while saying the reason I'm actually probably more on the email or side, although I was playing devil's advocate is for you to go to a client and be like, I'm doing

this for you. Be like, Hey, dude, this I'm not your kid. And this isn't an addition that you're building where I have to like haul garbage out. Yeah, here's the mulch bag, dude, start spreading it out. I'll never forget one girlfriend where they were asking us to babysit their kids. So it was like a brother-in-law sister type of thing. So I, you know, obviously wasn't married,

but it was a fairly serious relationship. And I was kind of like, I don't wanna get stuck watching kids for like the whole weekend, you know, obviously wasn't married, but it was a fairly serious relationship. And I was kind of like, I don't want to get stuck watching kids for like the whole weekend, you know? I'm gonna get out and about. And then I think the guy dropped like a, hey, you know, we're doing this for you and you being part of the family. I was like, holy shit, what a terrible projection.

I was like, that's probably not gonna happen. Like I have to watch the kids because you are doing something that down the road that I'll be benefiting from when I marry into the family and like all these things are gonna happen. I was like, what an aggressive overstatement of the current situation. Is that what gaslighting is? I've been trying to understand it for three years now. Is that what gaslighting is? I gotta be honest with you. I love that Kyle just said that because there's been a few times where I've been told, be like, oh, you're just gaslighting. And I've heard it said so many times.

And I don't think I knew what it meant for like two years myself. I think I even looked it up once finally. I was like, you better learn with this. What's that? We did this on the pod. It didn't land with me. It still hasn't landed with me.

I don't know. So can I get a quick yes or no? We don't have to go on any further than that. Is this gaslighting? No, this is just a piece. I don't know. So can I get a quick yes or no? We don't have to go on any further. Is this gaslighting? No, I don't think so. Okay. All right. No, no, this is just continues.

Okay. You're never going to know. Gaslighting you right now. Yeah. It'd be why is it that why is it that you stick it so important to know what it actually means? Did I just get gaslighted now? I might have got it.

You might have just hammered it home. Why are you being so weird about it? Like seriously, maybe you should spend some time and ask yourself some real questions about like what you need to know and not know. Maybe that's more important. Message received. Thank you. Yeah. Okay.

Can I just say really quickly that I think that did work. I just want to say just so everybody doesn't think I'm a huge dick, maybe this guy was having a bad day too. Like if this is a one-off thing, like don't send the Yelp review, but like it does seem a little personal. I don't know, there's something off about it. It does feel a little personal. And like, because he was like, hey, he didn't thank me.

I thought, wait, is there any chance in the chalk thing? Like, all right, if you're always that guy, then maybe there's a problem. And then when he said, yeah, let's chat in person, I wanna bring some things to your attention. If you seriously haven't done anything wrong, other than like help, it's like, I'm trying to think, okay, of all the things you could share,

what's needed wrong? If the only thing you've actually ever done wrong was the chalk thing, I would be so excited to go to this thing. I would have been like, I can't wait to talk to this guy, to hear about the other things that need to be brought to my attention while I tell him very directly to go fuck himself unless he's an absolute beast

of a guy on every sort of injectable that I would probably refrain from like really getting into it with him. But you know, I just, when it's a small business here, like isn't this, can't you be selfish? Can't this be a moment where it's not pro community? Can't it just be like, hey, my transaction was this, maybe there was some issue here with me.

Like I still don't even know if I'd root against somebody, knowing how hard it is to run your own business and what kind of accomplishment that would feel like, the years the guy has probably, like I probably still wouldn't have it in me based on these interactions to then want to leave a bad review. That's just me though. Yeah, I know. I agree. Okay, we all agree. In addition to watching a lot of Judge Judy, I also watch a lot of Bar Rescue

and even even Kitchen Nightmares. The new season is pretty good. Actually, that's what I heard. I think I think being a dick doesn't make you a bad person And I think a lot of times like you don't understand What these people are going through and like if you if you could actually do some real damage like I think it's better to not I think that's just part of like being a good person, but there's a good chance. He's avoiding you What's two reasons either? He realized that he screwed it up, and he's just, all right, I'm just gonna let this calm down. I'm just going to avoid it.

I screwed up. Hopefully this guy just lets this go. Or he like really doesn't like you and doesn't want to confront you about it. Uh, but doesn't also doesn't have any evidence for you to like, other than the one thing that he got pissed off about. So I don't know. That's, that's why I kind of don't think that this guy is like the email or is secretly a Dick or like screwing stuff up because otherwise

if I was the gym owner, I would have been, or I would have been early to that meeting being like, here's a list of all the shit that you do here that pisses me off, you know? Three in shorts, your balls are always touching stuff. It's been brought up to other people. You asked how my wife, we saw you steal three protein bars. Yeah, I mean, there's potentially like a lot of stuff, but it doesn't sound like, why would the emailer admit the chalk thing

but then nothing else? And I think you also brought up another good point. He either didn't show up to the meeting because he's a small business owner and he's super, super busy, or he like is peak aggressive in the moment. And then like a lot of people a little bit later on, he's like, all right, I actually don't wanna go

to this meeting because I'm wrong. And now that I'm away from the altercation, I even have some self-awareness on it. Okay. Would this be scamming my company? We'll do another one here and then we'll ask the married guys another one. All right.

36 years old, 5'10", 190 bench, 185 for 20 reps, run a six mile, six minute mile. Let's suck at basketball. So my pickup comp is the night Tony Snell did 28 minutes of cardio and put up zero stats. Been listening since 2010, tails from the couch and have a dilemma for you guys. The large evil company I work for asks

for us to come to the office three days per week and offers a thousand dollar reimbursement stipend for home office equipment. My guess is that the company's not actually big and evil, maybe. I have all the stuff I could possibly need at home, but it feels like I should take advantage of this. Nobody would ever know if I bought $1,000 worth of stuff got reimbursed and returned it all and kept the cash related. I feel generally underpaid for my

position and looking for the exit anyway. Also related this stuff this company does is pure evil. And humanity would be better off without us and most of our clients. All right, so it does sound like he does feel like it's evil because that's twice and then humanity- You thought about looking for other jobs. You can make an argument, Logan Roy is worse than Hitler.

All right. The futures of several continents depend on his health? Yeah. I don't truly need the money, but I don't want to just leave it on the table when I could put it towards my wedding this fall or a nice vacation. Should I hesitate on this or just let it rip? I am always very anti like ripping people off because I think eventually you get exposed for it.

I think there was somebody that got into it with Van Pelt who didn't want to hire Van Pelt at ESPN and was like, he's golf and he's local TV. He's not national. He's not network. Yeah, right? And then I think the guy got busted for like rounding up on some travel reports or something. I don't know.

So Van Pelt never hesitated to kind of feel like there was a little cosmic thing at play. But even every now and then, look, I'm just telling you every now and then you'd be like, what happened to that guy? And be like, dude, he was submitting fake taxi trip receipts. You're like, wow, so his career here

is over for maybe like 800 bucks, depending on how long he was submitting the fake taxi transactions here. This seems, dare I say, Kyle, a little easier to pull off and maybe justifiable if he is working for cruises. Nice, Rebecca's succession, I love it. I think if you wanna do some shit

that your pastor wouldn't like and you wanna chalk it up to sticking it to the man, this is because you want free do some shit that your pastor wouldn't like and you want to like chalk it up to like Sticking it to the man. This is because you want free shit or free or like, you know found money This isn't just like say what it is Like I think I could pull this like little mini heist off and it feels good to think about not like oh we like we're We're sticking it to Philip Morris or something like that's not what it is, right? You working for them or whatever like it you clearly don't have that many like just keep the morality out of it because you already Know like you're just trying to justify, you know, chalking up a win when it, you know, there's some tampering involved.

So I would just say, be honest with yourself. I, I don't have, I'm trying to think. I, I don't have a huge issue with it. I, I think because you already don't like this company and you probably don't. Care. It doesn't, you said you don't need the money. So it doesn't sound like you really care if you get fired or not. And you want to make a couple of extra thousand bucks to fund your wedding and you can probably

just find a job if you get fired anyway. I'm just, I'm, you sounded very confident. So I'm just assuming that I, I think this is what I would not do it normally, but I think this is one of the rare instances where I, I'm like, yeah, whatever, let it ride. Like you don't like this company clearly. You don't, not that you don't like them. You straight up hate them. Like the, the wording of this email, it'm like, yeah, whatever, let it ride. Like you don't like this company clearly. You don't, not that you don't like them. You straight up hate them. Like the, the wording of this email, it's like, you know, what are they doing?

Like, I'm, I'm nervous now for you. Like, could you look for another job? But in the meantime, I don't, if you think that you're like, getting one over on some shitty company. I, I ordinarily, I would say no, but I'm, I'm, I'm a yes here. I just don't think you're doing anything good. Like I wasn't, you know, swiping t-shirts from Models in protest of Nike sweatshops.

I wanted some fucking t-shirts. Like I think that's just what we gotta say here, right? Allegedly. Well, it puts everybody in a tough spot. It's like three guys are going, rip the man off and rip him off at every turn. And then it's like, what's going on with those guys?

Let's do a full audit of the latest Nephew Kyle expense submission, right? So- Get out to Steve, because he does that. Yeah. Kyle's not doing that. He's got too much integrity. Yeah, I buy my beers on the road.

You guys don't buy my beers. He seems like he's okay with it. He seems, I think you're gonna do it. I think you're gonna be fine. I gotta be honest with you, maybe it's worth a thousand bucks to order all the stuff, have it be delivered, then actually submit the receipts, get the check and then go in the car.

Like I think I'd pay you a thousand bucks just to move stuff around that much. Um, anyway, so I don't want to say what the company is in that email and all, right? I'm obviously won't say it, but I just want, I want to know maybe afterwards, like, cause I just, I need to know, I don't know, what is it? What is it? What does he do? Also the stuff, the stuff this company does is pure evil and humanity.

We'd be better off without us. And most of our clients, clients on top of everything else, God. Is it one of those credit score repair companies that tell you like, and then we're just gonna send letters after letter and they have 30 days and if they don't respond and it's like, oh, okay. Yeah, yeah. Or it's like one of those companies

that scams old people on the phone, I don't know. Or young people with bad credit, Kyle and I are looking at each other going, yeah. Like, all right, yeah, no, no, things are looking up. I'm going to start fixing my credit score. Like I'm talking to this outfit out of Utah all over it. And then you're like, oh wait, this doesn't work. And I'm paying you.

Instead of I follow this plan. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, here's the plan. It's so good. They're like, we're going to hit it with so many letters. We're going to call them all the time. And if they don't respond within this amount of time, they have to remove it from your report.

And you're like, or none of that happens. Anyway, all right. One more, maybe two more. Female woman checking in. Otherwise known as, yep. Yep, saying you guys should have me on. Don't know you would never do it well. What why does she want to come on? She said we need a female woman perspective.

Oh which we have planned. Joy Taylor is going to join us, but I just don't understand why anybody be like hey, like you think we don't know any female women? Female women, I fucking love that. Hey, we had Nikki Glaser on last year.

I love this. So glad this is live. So Rudy's position is, hey, Nikki Glaser episode 17 months ago. Hey, she's great. You guys remember that one? Back off. Ah, okay, okay.

Asking my future father-in-law for his daughter's hand in marriage, gang. Gang gang. Six four, two 20. Did you ever say gang gang ever or on God Kyle? Oh gosh Not the latter, but the former yes Use it in a sentence. No won't do it You said you can't make it you can't make me

When and how often did I didn't even think this was a yes and now that it is I don't know that I can do anything else when this was a yes. And now that it is, I don't know that I can do anything else. When probably around 2010 to 2013 range, maybe I'm guessing. I think it was definitely a Poughkeepsie. I can promise you I was definitely a Poughkeepsie. Did you ever yell G unit at the top of your lungs in a parking lot? I mean, probably within the last two months. I mean, I'm still checking eBay to see if they. I mean, I'm not kidding. Who hasn't done that? Yeah, come on, even I've done that.

I'm still checking eBay to see if they got any more heavyweight tees out. I've seen all the ones they're offering. Pre-AO, dude. A lot of them are in tough shape. NBA comp, Chase Buddinger. Good volleyball player. I'm planning on, what's that? Good volleyball player.

Yeah, he's down the street. Hear about him all the time. Is he really? Yeah, guys are like, hey, we won this tournament with Chase. Like at what point, like, good for Chase, but I think it's a really cool invite, but also kind of a funny invite. Like, what are you doing tonight?

Well, I don't know Chase Buddinger at all, but I'm gonna go see him. And his mutual friend invited me because they had a really good beach volleyball tournament result. And I'm pretty excited. Pretty excited. Maybe that's just nice.

Maybe it's somebody being nice to me and offering me a cool invite knowing that he has a basketball background. And I too share a passion about basketball. Anytime you're putting yourself out there and meeting new people, I'm all for it, man. So yeah, actually, you know what? You know what, Sarudy? Next time I do get invited to a Chase Buddinger themed event, I go now.

Because you're probably an interesting crowd. Yeah. Probably some female women there. They love volleyball, the female women. Yeah. I'm planning on proposing to my girlfriend, speaking of five years in the coming months. She is awesome. We have a great relationship and excited about our future together. The problem, her father is an absolute see you next Tuesday. He our guy's 31 though.

All right. Our guy's 31 and he's six, four, and he's two 20. So, you know, noise for context. He's a relatively successful guy, owns a small to medium sized business and is a high functioning alcoholic. Ooh, okay. His typical day consists of working from eight to midday

before drinking 10 to 15 drinks with his buddies for the next six hours, betting on horse racing and smoking a pack of cigarettes. Kyle, do you want us to connect you to this guy? While he has no doubt- He's had an out of body experience. Whilst, great use of the word, while he has no doubt been a strong financial support to his family, he's been a completely absent father for most of his children's lives. The relationship is particularly strained with my girlfriend, the oldest,

a byproduct of the multiple interventions she's attempted to hold with him. We've lived abroad for over two years and they haven't spoken once during this time. Our relationship is very limited. See him maybe twice a year, however, is relatively polite friendly. My issue, do I need to go down the old fashioned path

of still asking his permission for his daughter's hand in marriage? His relatively conservative, he's relatively conservative in the type of man who would expect this. I know not asking would create even more friction in the family. However, I really want to give him the satisfaction of thinking he has any type of ownership of my girlfriend's life. Do I, one, suck it up, ask him, avoid any further tension in the family, despite all the above, he actually likes me, so I know he'd say yes. Two, ask only my girlfriend's

mom who I have a relatively good relationship. I'm mindful of this, but may put her in a precarious situation. Three, alpha him and propose without speaking to either parent in the process, showing my hand of how I really feel about him. Would love to hear what Kyle Sarudz and O2Rosilla did prior to popping the question. I asked no one. I forgot.

I meant to and I forgot. You mean you forgot. I forgot. It was on the list of things to do and I forgot to add. Well, I asked her obviously, but I just, I didn't ask her to add. I meant to and I forgot. You mean you forgot. I forgot, it was on the list of things to do and I forgot to add, well I asked her obviously, but I just, I didn't ask her to add. I meant to, I really meant to, and then it was just like, you know, shit got in the way and then it was like,

oh, today's the day, so I mean, it's a little too late. I forgot I meant to. Did you get a text, phone call? I meant to, I think I asked him later, I was like, I asked you, right? And he was like, no, I was like, oh, wow, I definitely meant to. It's not the end of the world, I think, I don't think, I think you're? And he was like, no, I was like, oh, wow, I definitely meant to. It's not the end of the world. I think I don't think you're, I think you're definitely over

thinking it as you will everything that you're going to like do in the next lead up to the wedding or, you know, engagement or whatever. I think it's fine. But if you say like, if you think he's going to say yes, like just send him a text, it's totally fine if to get it off your chest, like, especially, especially as like his word doesn't mean that much to his daughter, it sounds like. So really like you're, you as like his word doesn't mean that much to his daughter, it sounds like. So really like you're, you're definitely playing with house money. But again, I forgot and everything was fine. And, um, I think, I think whichever way you do this, it'll be, it'll be cool.

And if you're going to do it, just send the text. Don't even worry about it. Don't overthink it. I would've loved to just picture Kyle like in the car, you know, 90 minutes out before he's about to ask the question. You just like text dad being like, Hey, we forgot, but it's a big day. So wait, you sent him a text on the way to, no, no, no, I didn't know. I'm just saying that would be funny if Kyle, I would, I don't know if

that'd be worse or better. I'm probably, how did it come up? Like, what was the resolution once you talked about it? I think I just said, well, like I asked you, right. And he was like, no, I think, I think this was like way after actually. I mean, it can't be way after. We're not even married yet. Like, uh, yeah, he was just like, no, I don't remember you asking me.

And I was like, oh, okay. But you know, that's traditional wedding stuff is, you know, falling by the wayside. Anyway, I'm going to say I got on that. Uh, I, you know, got a daughter, you know, changed man these days as a father. I, I think I would like whoever it is to ask, you know, it'd be nice to be asked. It's not a deal breaker. It's not a deal breaker, but I would like to be asked.

So yeah, like I don't even think I'm that old school, but you know, it's just a nice thing and hopefully I'm on board as well. I mean, I think most of the times you're asking not because you don't know the answer to the question, you're just doing it because it's respectful. I asked my father and mother-in-law now together, because I just kind of knew that the mom would want to be involved and they were home together. It's also kind of weird too, because I don't know that I necessarily hang out with my father. My father-in-law is a great guy, but we don't really hang out, just the two of us on the side. So for me to be like, Hey, do you want to do something today?

Would be a little bit weird. So I just went over their house afterwards, uh, after work one day and just, I think I brought flowers over or something for the mom and just kind of asked the question. They also kind of knew it was coming. So to swing it back to the, to the email or though, I think the safe bet is just to ask the mom what she thinks your future wife would want, because that's really all that matters. It doesn't sound like the dad, like you, you know, if you, if you

piss the dad off, it doesn't sound like that many people are going to be mad on his behalf. So I think that's the easiest way. You would ask the mom, if she says, no, don't worry about it. Um, I would ask her first and then say, I'm also thinking about asking the father for permission. What do you think? And if she says, no, don't worry about it. Then I think you're fine.

I think that's the best, most level headed course of action. I think that's great, buddy. Did anyone cry? No, no, we knew it was coming. We knew it was coming. Oh, the buttoned up group. Well, a couple of things. I think you already answered your deal if you think about this because you could not ask him as some kind of screw you because of the family history and the dynamic and all of that stuff. But is that really a win that you want knowing that it may create a tension that was super solvable by making him part of this? Now, if you want to talk about the parent side of it with them realizing like, hey man, the mom is far more like deserving of some act of respect. Can you go to her deserving of some act of respect, can you go to her and say, look, I know the dynamic and everything, I'm asking you first, but I will ask him so that he knows that he's involved. But I want you to

realize that I'm prioritizing you here because I think that's important. So it's a win with her, even more so. She probably loves you already, right? You've been together five years, everybody knows the plan, this is fine. I just don't understand the move, the value of creating future tension by being disrespectful the way he would perceive it, him being disrespected, even though you may be justified in doing it that way. Like you're just going, hey, there is no existing problem right now and you could be creating one by avoiding doing something that really isn't that hard to do. You know, this is all like a perception thing. Now, you said he drinks a lot. You could, if you wanted to, be like, I asked you, dude. Like what? Like, that was a Wednesday, brother.

And if he drinks that much, you'll probably be like, oh yeah, yeah, actually, I remember. Yeah, right. He might be like, oh yeah, yeah, no, that was fun. I've been real busy, I'm sorry. Yeah, that was a good time. I appreciated you doing that. And you're like, oh my God. So I know that wasn't really nice, but we had to do the full scope of it all here.

Don't create extra problems out of nothing, right? Out of nothing. And it doesn't seem like, even though you don't really love the full package of this guy, I just, I don't think it's, I don't think the payoff of this, the act itself, like there's no real benefit from it

other than you are out, you're 6'4", you're 2'20", you're 31', you've already alpha'd him, man. You've already alpha'd him. Unless he's, you know, the size of Kevin Willis. We got it? Yeah, we got it. I think the coolest thing large dudes could do is be nice. I think the coolest thing massive beasts of humans

could do is be nice guys. You're like, wow, that's way cooler than if he was super intimidating and fucking growling at people. When they're super nice, you're like, wow's like way cooler than if he was super intimidating and like you know fucking growling at people like when they're like super nice you're like wow that's that guy's got everything so I'll leave it at that like the bigger guys are more of the senses and it's the smaller guys that are like a little more you know rigid on the outside I think that's right senses yeah this is a topic I'd love to dig in again the future day it's like a

like a weight to you know, niceness graph Yeah, you go up nicer you are. Yeah. I love it. I love it So would you be would you be at your like at your at your thinnest or your your speltest when you were chirpy Steve? Yeah, all right. So the graph correlates great 100% I mean that's just getting older but yeah, like the you know when I was 125 pounds dripping wet. I was probably the biggest asshole I was in my whole life. Yeah. The theory, it's a working theory, but I like it a lot.

I liked it. I don't have an answer right now. So I have no further data to share. Yeah. I think it's just one of those things. It's true. Yeah. All right. Thanks to the YouTube live audience here for checking out the show.

Thanks to Mike. thanks to Corey. I wanna be able to thank everybody here, but I don't know who was on the call with us. So we got Saruti and Kyle as well. Shout out to Ronak, shout out to Chris. Shout out to the live chat too. The live chat is always great, man. Those guys, they're really cool.

So one of the cool things about all these lives, so it was you and Bill on Sunday or this, is the live chats are always, they're fun. So a lot of large, you know, chats there. Yeah. Yeah. That maybe, you know, thanks for saving us on the, on the credits there. Cause I wasn't sure.

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