The Ryen Russillo Podcast - A Super Bowl Deep Dive Preview With Tim Hasselbeck. Plus, Jim Harbaugh on Year One With the Chargers and What Makes Him a Great Coach.

Episode Date: February 5, 2025

Russillo is joined by Tim Hasselbeck to share his pick for Super Bowl LIX, why playing against these defensive coordinators is so difficult, and what both teams need to do to start the game strong (0:50). Then, Jim Harbaugh comes on to break down the Chargers' year one turnaround, describe what it was like transitioning from a player to a coach, and explain the emotion of his Super Bowl loss (32:21). Finally, Life Advice with Ceruti and Kyle (57:32)! How do I handle my girlfriend and mom not liking each other? Check us out on YouTube for exclusive clips, livestreams, and more at https://www.youtube.com/@RyenRussilloPodcast. The Ringer is committed to responsible gaming. Please visit www.rg-help.com to learn more about the resources and helplines available. Host: Ryen Russillo Guests: Tim Hasselbeck and Jim Harbaugh Producers: Steve Ceruti, Kyle Crichton, and Mike Wargon Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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he's gonna hang out with us for a little bit. Good to see you, man. Good to see you, man. It's good to be back. I feel like this is like a routine, like very, very late in the season. Like you exhausted all guests possible throughout the regular season and playoffs. And it was like, shoot, Super Bowl week. He's kind of long. Hasselbeck and then Matthew's not available. So you're like, Oh shoot. Does anyone still have Tim's number? And then Sarut, he's like, yeah, I held onto it somehow. It's good. It's six one seven number. So, um, let's reach back out. Oh my God. It's good.

Let's do it. Well, I, I, I don't understand where that's coming from because it was great joy when somebody said, Hey, what about Tim? And it was just four people going great idea, uh, biggest game of the year. So that's how I look at it. I think it's all positives. All right. Speak, speaking of the biggest game of the year, I always's how I look at it. I think it's all positives. All right, speaking of the biggest game of the year,

I always like to do a little memory lane with you. When Matt played, I imagine, did the entire crew go up to Detroit? The entire crew did go to Detroit and it was cool. So like, yeah, it's a neat opportunity, obviously, to play in a Super Bowl for anyone, then be a starting quarterback in a Super Bowl. And I was playing at the time,

I don't know if I've told you this story or not, but I was like, you know, like, how can I help him? Like, he's my brother, you know, like, what can I do to, you know, be of a help as I, you know, he wants to prepare for the game. So I was like, hey, look, I'm gonna handle all the tickets.

So you just tell me who needs to pay for tickets and who like your comp and tickets and I'll just get as many as I can. And so like, you know, as a player you get two and then so I was calling around my friends in the league. So I end up basically with like around a hundred tickets, right? Now I was able to get rid of a lot of them, but I had like 50 or so still on me. And there was a party that his agent was throwing in Detroit. And so I had to walk from my hotel in Detroit to this restaurant in Detroit.

And it was like kind of snowing and it was gross. And I've got 50 Super Bowl tickets like in my sport coat jacket. And I just remember being like, I can't get these things off of my hands fast enough. Like I need to, like whoever these belong to, like here they're your problem now. Just so like, like somebody would have jumped to me on that short walk, like, like it was jackpot.

Like they were in good shape. So I remember a lot, but I mainly remember that experience of how scared I was for that period of time where I had like 50 Super Bowl tickets like stuck to my chest. Yeah, there's always, I always get a little nervous when I ever ask about like, hey, do you ever have a story like this?

And then you're like, yeah, actually a terrible one. So that was, that was better. That worked out a little, actually a terrible one. So that was, that was better. That worked out a little bit better on this one. I picked against Mahomes in the Josh Allen game, because I just felt like it was, it was time to do something a little different. I don't do it very often. I think in the 20 playoff games that he's played in, I think I picked against him four times. So I didn't feel like making a

habit of that second time around. Give me the Philadelphia argument, though. I don't know who you picked. I'm sure you know, you can tell us here or wherever you want to, but give us the Philadelphia. I mean, I know, I know your listeners have been waiting for my big reveal on my pick, but, but I think, I think Scott maybe asked me to pick the game like immediately after the championship game. You know what I mean?

Like we were waiting for a guest and he was like, who you got? I was like, I mean like the confetti hasn't even fallen yet. So look, I, I, I'm picking the chiefs. Look, I just think like the three most important people like for a game are, you know, the head coach was also the play caller, the defense coordinator and the quarterback, you know? And like to me, it really doesn't get better than like what Kansas city has. So like, that's just kind of a big overarching, like probably the way you feel about picking against my homes. It's like not just my homes, it's everything about it. It's Andy Reed, it's Steve Speck,

although it's, it's the experience, all of it. Now the Philadelphia side of it, I would say this, like, Jaylen Carter is a problem inside, you know? And so sometimes, you know, there are just plays where like they win so quickly inside. And so it's like, when you look at some of the stuff the Chiefs like to do with, you know, in the RPO game or just even Mahomes doing good stuff in the passing game, losing immediately inside leads to, batted balls in the RPO game, which can be obviously devastating doing offense.

And then obviously losing quickly inside, it's really hard for a quarterback to create. So I think that's a big deal, when Philadelphia is on defense. And then when Philly's on offense, I would say this like in a passing league It's remarkable how Philly gets big plays in the run game Like they'll just run like inside zone or they'll run like split zone and then like what normally is like an 8 to 12 yard game like next thing, you know, it's like that's a 62 yard touchdown because like the safety took a bad angle and say Kwan, you know, does a good job of

You know in all their different run schemes of like having great vision and then when he gets to the second level He's just so fast that I think people kind of underestimate the angle they need to take on him So like I think that those are two factors that I think, you know really could end up in Philadelphia's favor Those are two factors that I think, you know, really could end up in Philadelphia's favor Yeah, there have been a few reminders not that any of us like, you know They've watched sake on when he was healthy and just how spectacular he is But there have been a few reminders on some shorter runs this year where you know, the play calls do a certain hole He's supposed to follow something and then his lateral quickness his lateral cutting that gets him outside so fast. I do wonder if, granted when you're that physically gifted, it's like, okay, figure it out and

do whatever you want. But I felt like we used to see more of that and now I wonder with how controlling play calling is where you almost have to earn the opportunity to take it outside where the play caller would rather you just run into the hole, get stuff. Because I feel like, again, we saw more of that when we were younger with running backs, just freelancing a bit more and seeing just, again, it's a few Saquon runs. I was like, oh, that's what it used to be like with somebody this talented. They were allowed to figure it out on their own and he certainly can do that.

No, I think that's a really, that's a good observation, like, cause there were certain backs, right? Where it was like, yeah, they could go outside of the design of the run, right? Like a lot of times, like if people run like a split zone run play, like typically what happens is like it typically winds back, right? And so like a lot of times, like you'll see backs now,

you know, not press the hole as much, they start to wind it back. I think the thing with Saquon is, look, he's obviously got incredible ability. He obviously is super talented back and all of that stuff. But I think there's also like a freedom to it because he's Saquon, right? Like there's a freedom to it to be like, no, like I'm going to hit this front side. And look, there are, there are shots of it. I think it was, listen, in the Rams game, like it happened where he just like stays front side because a guy gets a

little, I think it was Jared Virst, got a little kind of impatient, tried to fold over the top against Washington. It was Fowler Jr. who, you know, tried to spin out of like a pin block and then so then he takes it outside. So like, I just think he's that good, like in this passing league where it's like, Hey, you want to have chunk plays, you want to get big plays like, are you better, you know, Hey, hard play action shot down the field. And we've got this schemed up. Like for Philly, sometimes it's like day one install runs and it's like, they've got a good online, they've got this schemed up. Like for Philly, sometimes it's like day one install runs and it's, look, they've got a good online, they've got a quarterback,

who's a threat as well to keep the football. But then they've got a back who really is, you know, I don't know, what do you get a back like that every 10 years, every 15 years, something like that. If I'm looking at, um, you know, some of the defensive matchup stuff here, where I've thought about like, okay, well, clearly with the receivers, the Eagles have the defensive responsibilities for the back end of Kansas City are different. Where if you're looking at Kansas City's receivers,

like I think people kind of fell in love with Xavier worthy, but it still feels a little gimmicky as opposed to just, hey, go, go beat somebody one-on-one on a third and seven, you know, Hollywood Brown, like maybe there's a deep shot to get you thinking about it, but I mean, the idea that he's going to just have a million catches and kind of control the game. Like, I know there's just not really that guy. And then Kelsey has the huge game against Houston. Buffalo, uh, in that matchup did a great job of containing him there.

So where are the things that you can attack if you're Kansas City with this Philly defense that's just loaded from a personnel standpoint? Yeah, I think the thing that is so hard about Kansas City, because like you said it, and I would agree with you, I think they've done a good job using worthy speed, right. And I think they will continue to do that. Right. And then I think Kelsey's ability to just find open space like that's still there. Right. Like, that'll be a big factor.

I think the part for me that's really like the brilliance of Andy is like go to the championship game and you're like, wait a second, Juju Smith- Schuster just had a 37 yard catch. Like, like did people have to get reminded like, he's still there. Like McCall Hardman got the, the touchdown and the Superbowl. You know what I mean? Like you're like, wait, I thought he was with, no, he's the Jets got rid of him. And then Andy brought him back in and like, you know, he just, I just, or like think about the championship game. Okay. It's like, gotta have it, you know, um, seal the game situation. You're like, Oh yeah, of course. Like P Ryan out of the backfield. Like, of course, like that's where

everyone was going. Right. Like I do think there's something with Andy and I think it's the way that he coaches that there are guys that have like roles and some of them just like minuscule roles, but like they all kind of have the confidence because of how he coaches. They're like, yeah, in any situation, like we could rely on you, we could depend on you. So like, look, I don't know if it's, you know, a tight end or if it's a back out of the backfield or what it is, but I think that he does such a good job of coaching of, look, you don't have to force it to this guy.

Like obviously we have stuff scripted for certain players, but it doesn't mean the ball has to go there. And so like, look, maybe it is Juju. Maybe it is Xavier worthy. Like it was MVS late in the Super Bowl, you know, last time, right? Like, you know, it was Rashid Rice as they were making their playoff run a year ago. Like it is other guys. I think that's, that's something he does a great job of coaching. I think Patrick does a good job of playing that way. Um,

so I don't know if it's about a matchup. I think it's more just about, all right, wherever the ball should go, like let the coverage dictate. That's where it goes. I love the juju reminder because like the first big play, you go, oh, oh, then he added another one. And you're like, this guy hasn't had two catches or more than two catches in a game since October. And I know there's probably some people that think I'm being dismissive of what Xavier Worthy is.

And I think he stresses the defense out, especially with how creative they get him going. And I know he had a lot of catches last week, but I still think of like the idea of him versus AJ Brown, where if it's one-on-one and it's a big spot and you're thrown into the pylon, if you're hurt, you're just expecting AJ Brown to win that one. And I don't think worthy is at that level now.

And I agree with you on that. And I think that, in terms of AJ Brown and those opportunities, like I agree with you on that and I think that you know in terms of AJ Brown and those opportunities like I don't expect Steve Speck and all to play a bunch of man coverage I certainly don't expect them to play a bunch of like get up and challenge you man coverage because that's like that's a problem for honestly every one in the league and then You know on top of that, like how it's officiated is also a thing. Like, because if you do, like, say you were going to get try to get

physical with him, like he's so physical that like, he's just clubbing people by sometimes, like running a slant, you know, like three hard steps club the guy by like, I don't know how you defend it because like, you know, it seems to me that, you know, like that type of thing, it's not, you know, not like push-offs, like that type of thing. Like the NFL has been like, yep, that's not OPI. Like that's not, but like contact without grabbing that doesn't impede, you know, a guy running his route, like, but you see some Jersey tug, like that still is defensive holding or defensive pass interference. And so, like, I just don't think Spags is going to even mess with the idea of being like, yep,

we're going to play man coverage, we're going to get up and challenge him, like, because that's a problem. Like that's, this is a problem for anybody. It's a problem just generally, I think in the league with, with how it's officiated. Let's stay on Spagnolo and then the Vic Fangio part of this too, because, you know, the Josh Allen throw on fourth and five, which will be forgotten to history. And unfortunately, just how absurd it is that even gets the ball off to concave to be like, you know, you see the back end zone angle of that throw and then where the ball is and you know,

Kinkade just kind of like out of step for him to have to come back and correct it and still think in that spot you'd hope he catches that football. You know the pressure's coming. Whenever you watch a Chiefs game and it's close, you're like, when's he going to dial it up? We know when he's going to dial up, what's it going to look like? And then he brings two defensive backs off his throwing side, totally unblocked. It disrupts everything. Like the plays over immediately. So here's Josh Allen, who's had an MVP level season. And I think we'd all agree, like at this stage of his career, he's aware of what

he's supposed to be aware of. And yet you know, what's coming. And then all of a sudden, everything that you're doing is completely disrupted, which again, I think it's remarkable, even got a ball off in that situation. What is that? Like, what is that? Like, I know it's coming, but I don't know what it's going to look like, because Hertz is going to be facing those situations at the end of the game.

Yeah, I think that, you know, like, like the history of like, how SPACs was trained was was Jim Johnson when he was the Philadelphia Eagles defensive coordinator, right? An amazing job of zone pressures. I was in Philadelphia when Jim Johnson was there. When you would practice against that defense, the thing that Andy would do is Andy would just be like, we're going to go into empty. Because when you're an empty, like, it kind of makes you declare

it, right? Like, it kind of makes you be like, all right, show me what you're doing. Because like now it's harder for you to disguise it because like, like, we've got everybody spread out of the backfield. And so you kind of got to like show your hand a little bit. And so if you think back to that Buffalo play, they start an empty, right? And like you hear Josh talk about it after the game and he's like, he goes through his first cadence. So they're in empty, he goes through his cadence.

He's like, all right, I think I got it. Like, you know what I mean? Like we've defined it by formation, using a double cadence, like I think I got it, okay? So like, you know, Khalil Shakir, like, I think I got it. Okay. So like, you know, Kalir Shakir, like, like come back into the backfield, like now we're going to run the play, like, okay, here we go. And then you're like, oh my God, now it's coming from there now.

You know what I mean? Like, so that's Josh Allen, who's actually really good pre-snap. That's they've schemed it up. Now I think the thing I would say is this, like, like what, like what's the difference? Like, why doesn't everyone do it? Like, why can't other teams bring pressures? I think it's the disguise and holding the disguise and the ability to teach your players

like we're holding the disguise and we're not giving it away by, hey, safety, you know, you're a little bit, you know, you're two yards outside the hash. Like, just trust it and stay on the hash so the quarterback's not alerted that that corner's coming. I think it's the little details of the disguise that makes SPAG so good. And then, this is something I hadn't heard the quote, but Van Pelt said it to me as we

just were watching games. I guess Kirk Cousin said, you know, what makes SPAC special is it's like the right call at the right time. Right? Like if you're just crazy, just spraying pressures, like eventually like you're going to get caught like in gashed. And I think SPAC's got a really good, you know, does a good job of like, hadn't seen it all game, maybe didn't even see it in a five game breakdown.

And all of a sudden in like the most gotta have it moment, you know, you're like, wait a second, you just, you just called a pressure that you haven't repped a million times in a game. Like that's crazy, but you did it and you did a good job of it. Okay. So what's different about what Mahomes is facing in Fangio's approach? Yeah, I think that's what Fangio's like. Fangio's kind of like, hey man, I've been doing this a long time.

I don't really care. You might get it when, ever, and wherever. And now listen, I don't think that's actually what's going on in his brain, but there are times I'm like, dude, it might be, you know what I mean? You're just like, wait a second, you just out of nowhere, like first in 10 on the 30, you just like, you just heat, like you just played it

like it was like a third and seven in the red zone and you just like heated everybody up. So I think the thing with him is like, somebody said to me like, he calls defenses now, like, he's not worried about if he'll find his next job. You know? Like, I think there's, like, I do think there's, like, some truth to that with, like, younger coordinators and stuff, where you're like, oh, you don't want to get a reputation to

be a certain way. Like, I think for him, like, he's got a big menu. He's, for him, like he's got a big menu. He's, I think he's got smart players. He's got a really good defensive line. And I think that he's just like randomly aggressive. And I think that's one of those things where it's just like antennas have to be up like the whole time, you know?

Like for some teams it's like, all right, I'm good. I'm good. Third down. All right, antennas up. You know, like for some teams it's like, all right, I'm good. I'm good. Third down. All right. Antenna is up. You know, I think when you play Philadelphia, it's kind of like, like you got to have it at all at all times. Is a spy a waste of a defender? Um, I think in this game it is like with these quarterbacks it is. Um, and I say it like for a couple of reasons,

like when you play Kansas City, like they run so many crossers, right? They're good at it. Like it's been a staple of like West Coast offenses for a long time. Well, one of the ways you defend crossers is like you beat them up or you cut them with guys, you know, that have leverage. So like if you've got a guy that's just standing there like staring at the quarterback, like that's a problem, right? And then Mahomes doesn't always escape to run. And then I think a similar thing with like Hertz, like, all right, so if you're gonna spy him,

like you better be forcing them a certain way and then the guy spying was better be able to run with them. Right? So, look, I would think that it's probably in the plan and then the guy spying was better better be able to run with them, right? So Look I would think that it's probably in the plan for both teams to have elements of of spying guys But I do think like if it were me, it's not how I would do it Is that moments gonna happen? I mean a spy against her it's a fully healthy hurts can almost feel like pointless I think the defender it's kind of like the Milano stuff that they were doing with Lamar Jackson, where they were rushing from one side and make sure Milano was on the back side.

And it wasn't just the absolute trust that Milano is going to make a one-on-one tackle with Lamar Jackson. Like, I don't know who I would have on the list of like, yeah, this guy's got it. No problem. And as good as Milano is, that's asking a lot of him, but at least it's showing you that that side of the field isn't wide open. Where with Hertz, like you can put one of showing you that that side of the field isn't wide open. Where with Hertz, like you can put a, put one of those guys, like there's a bunch

of dudes linebackers that I like for the chiefs, but are you really going to contain Hertz if he fully decides like Hertz decide he has more like definitive. I'm running where my homes kind of sees how it all plays out. And then it feels like you almost have one less defender, but you know, what's going to happen and he's going to scramble out to the sideline third and seven, he's going to reach the ball. He's probably going to do it two or three times in huge spots. And you don't really know when it's coming until everything else is broken down.

So it's like, is it really working? Like when he gets free, you're at home going, how come nobody's on him? Like how come they don't have a spy? You know, it's everything's everybody's favorite thing to yell. You're like, do you know how many times you have to leave that guy in and take them out of the rest of the defense just to have them in there in that spot? Um, that's, that's, I think more like that's more of a sacrifice that I think people realize.

Well, and I think this there's a, like in my mind, there was a difference between a spy, right? So like, Hey, you're, you decided to rush three, you're a, like in my mind, there's a difference between a spy, right? So like, hey, you're, you decided to rush three, you're Bobby, and then you've dedicated one guy and he's staying there and he's just reading the quarterback. He's shadowing and reading the quarterback, like whatever he does. So like, like to me, like that's what I would call a spy. So he stays there, whichever way the quarterback goes, like he's shadowing him, right? Like, like there's that, him. Right. Like, like

there's that, right. The way you would get boxed and won when you were playing in Martha's Vineyard. Right. Like that. Okay. Then there's, I think a little bit more of like what you were talking about the Bills trying to do, which is, look, our rush is coming this way. And then we're wrapping somebody around the other way to meet them. Right? Like we are trying to, because it happens in a run game all the time where they'll say, okay, all right, a fit your run gap. And really what we're trying to do is we're trying to funnel the run to this safety that's

coming down and we expect him to make the tackle at four yards. Right? So like, like to me, you know, a rush that tries to force the quarterbacks escape a certain direction and then meeting that guy with, you know, kind of like an add-on rap, like, is different. And I remember, you know, calling, I think it was an NC State football game, and Tony Gibson, who's the new head coach at Marshall, like he was talking about, um, it was Malik Cunningham, um, the quarterback at Louisville who was kind of like Lamar,

right? And then, um, they also had a game against Florida state and it was Jordan Travis. It was like another, so these quarterbacks that were really good at running. I'm like, Hey man, like, you know, what's the plan? I was like, look, here's what we're going to do. We're taking Levi Jones, this big, super athletic guys outside linebacker, we're going to rush and then he's going to wrap to the other side. He's going to meet up. And I'm like, well, how do you know which way he's going to escape? Well, the truth is, like, there's all kinds of data on when and how guys escape.

And so if like you're often escaped to the right guy, then like, then you're going to get that type of defense, you know, to you. And so I would say with Hertz, like Hertz does escape to the right. And, and I think a rush that forces him to the right and then matching it, you know, is a good way to defend them. Yeah. As you're talking this out to like the old Vic stuff where it's like, once you get your pass rush past his tackles, then you've actually screwed yourself. Like you think you're making this progress. Hey, look, I might get him.

I might get him. It's like, no, you've just actually taken yourself out of the play and he's running past like whatever your alignment was, there's like two guys left now that, that are on the, that they're even involved in the front seven that are even a part of this thing anymore. So, you know, part of me was like, would the chiefs be more disciplined in this spot against Hertz? Whereas, you know, some of the younger guys for the Eagles front, are

they going to be so amped up that they get up field a little bit more? But like, I think what the difference is, is Hertz can smoke you with a 60 yarder where my homes is just converting third downs. Like my homes isn't out there just flying around like Lamar. It's just those painful, painful. We did everything right. We actually got a little pressure on them. Um, and then there he is scrambling out and just reaching over with the football.

All right. Last thing here. Uh, you, you said for the obvious reasons here, I mean, nobody has to sit there. Really. It's not like when you pick the chiefs, it's like, really? Why are the, why the chiefs? Um, but something that you'll be looking for early in the game that you think will kind of dictate the rest of the game that you think will kind of dictate

the rest of the game, which I know I was saying a lot because these guys are probably, I would say both sides are really good kind of on the fly, certainly Andy's side of it, but just something you're looking for being like, okay, this is how they're doing this. And that impacts the way you feel how the rest of the game plays out. Yes. So Andy's a big first 15 guy, right? Which means like, like that'll be fully scripted, right? And like, though they know the first 15 plays, like unless you get some real unusual situatio, you know,

short yard situation or something like that. And so, you know, sometimes I definitely feel like I've been, was on teams, been around coaches that like they just, you know, they just had 15 plays and they were, I just liked them. They thought they were good for what we were expecting. I think Andy's totally different with his first 15. I think they're plays he likes, but I think they are also like, he's gathering information. Like he's trying to figure out like,

how are you gonna line up to this? And how are you, like, how are you going to line up to this? Like, and how are you, like, what are you going to do when we, you know, run an orbit motion with Xavier worthy? And like, so I think like in Andy's mind, like his first 15 is also very much, hey, I'm, I'm, I want to see. So for me, what I would say is at the beginning, like, like how quickly he feels like they need to get the football out. Right. Because I do think that that's going to be a factor with like, up, like upfront and like,

all right, so is it a heavy RPO first drive? You know, is it a quick game first drive? Is it, is it a screen game first drive? Like I think that's going to be really interesting for, or is it a move of the pocket, you know, because you don't think you can hold up. I think that's going to be really interesting because I think it gives you a little bit of a glimpse into his mind of where do you think you have a problem. So I think that'd be, and then the success they have with it, right? Like I mentioned before, like batted balls and RPOs, things like that could be a problem. So I would say that. And then I think

like defensively for Kansas City, like, you know, very early on in the game, like, like everyone's amped up, guys are flying to the football. Like you typically stop the run with like energy and effort, right? So you would think in this type of like in the playoffs with like energy and effort. Right. So you would think in this type of, like in the playoffs, like energy and effort stops the run. But like, like I said before, like does everyone trust it? Right. Like our guys over pursuing do it. Like, do you trust it in the run game so that, you know, you don't look up after the first quarter and you're like, Oh my God, say Kwan's averaging 7.8 yards per carry. Like that's a problem. So those would be the two things I think are a big deal. Hey man, say hi to everybody for me back in Connecticut. And I'm, I'm sincere about that. Um, it's, it's great to see you again. And I guess we'll call

you week two next year. Do this. Okay. Now that I'm a high school football coach too, like come cover like an ends worth football game next year. You know what I mean? Like just, you know, maybe you have a bi-week, you know, maybe on your way, like traveling coast to coast, like come check out ends worth. Okay. And then, and then, and then we can do it again in the Superbowl week next year. That's not good. What was your record this year? Uh, we were 10 and on the regular season. Then, uh, we had a bi-week. Then we, then then we want to play off game and 10 and 0 in the regular season. Then we had a bye week.

Then we won a playoff game. And then we lost in the semifinals. What'd you lose to? McCauley, the state champs. So they won it all. I mean, you weren't following along. I would have sworn you were following along. Well, I don't know. After the vineyard Nantucket stuff

Van Pelt wanted to be my offensive coordinator is a big double move guy okay big double move guy like once you start the game with double moves like third down double moves like he's big double move guy my brothers my brother's the offensive coordinator. So Matthew's calling the place. But like we fought a lot as kids. So I'd actually like it if you came in and said he wasn't doing a good job, then maybe I could get with Van Pelt's double move philosophy. You know what I mean? Yeah, I could come in outside consulting. Like, well, the first issue is head coach and OC are just on different pages. Enjoy the game, buddy. It's great to see you.

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We're behind the Blue Cow logo. Dairy Farmers of Canada. He's a national champ and he just spent his first year as a head coach of the LA Chargers. You know him as Jim Harbaugh. He joins us here on behalf of Invivid. He's doing the rounds, so I want to talk more about what Invivid is doing on the way out.

But thanks for doing this today, coach. Good to see you. Yeah, I appreciate it. Yeah. I'm excited to partner with you. I, I, I love the college pro thing of like, you know, when you're in charge of something that's this important, understanding that transition, you know, and you've done it now twice. What are the things that you kind of remind yourself of, of like at my core, I'm a football coach, but these are the things that I have to be a little different about as you change between the levels. Yeah you know that I don't know if I have that list as much as you know the

same really you know. I mean it's you know it's about the uh to me it's like a you know kind of like a beehive analogy. What's good for the bee is good for the hive. What's good for the hive is good for the bee. It's about the team, the team, the team, the team. But the idea of doing anything and everything for the individual. And then you predict, you anticipate that that individual is going to do anything and everything they can to help the team be successful. And this has been the best

job I've ever had. Everybody in this organization, from the ownership, Spano's family, you know, everybody doing anything and everything in their power to help this team be successful. So yeah, I've been feeling it since day one and can't wait for Chargers version 2.0. And it's core really, it's being around guys that, you know, just want to give it their very best and they want to win, they want to be successful, but they want to do it for the team, for the organization, for each other. And that's, I've been drinking that Kool-Aid and it starts here.

We talk about competitors welcome. You know, there's just nobody better than Justin Herbert on off on offense. He leads us. He's our tone setter. He's the example setter. He's he's in Derwin James on deeper, you know, the tone setter, the example setter, the one who loves football the most. And you just come every day and you know give it give it your very best to be be worthy of being around these guys you know and and this team. Kaleo Mack. I could go I could go Rashawn Slater could go Joe Ault could go with Deion Henley, JK Dobbins and and on and on. Eloy Gilman, Zion Johnson. I mean, guys that,

you know, there's no question that, I'd say it this way, there's no question that, even the difference from 10 years ago when I was coaching for the 49ers in the NFL, there's no question 10 years later that these players are just better. They're just bigger, they're stronger, they're faster, they're smarter. I mean, you can objectively document that.

But the thing that's really grabbed me is just how much more they want it, how much it. You know, how much, you know, the love of the game that they have. And I see that on my team and know that that's the way it is across the league. You know, after having spent a year back coaching again, it's just phenomenal. It's just phenomenal, you know, just how good, you know, you know, everybody is. And you look at our division, the coaching, I know I got to get better. I got to get better. I mean, there's Super Bowl champion, Andy Reed, three time and going for a three-peat, Pete Carroll Super Bowl champion, Sean Payton Super Bowl champion. It's cool. It's really cool. I mean, I had battles with all of them. And those competitors really pull it out of you.

Like today, yeah, we're working. We're working today. We'd rather be there, having a Wednesday practice, getting ready for the Super Bowl. But we're here in Los Angeles and trying to attack this day. It's another day to attack a day to get better. That's where we're at, attacking pre-agency and getting our guys back. And then here comes the draft, the combine, and a couple weeks. Yeah, we're rolling.

And we have to. I mean, it's just,, we must, we must give it our best. We must win. One of the things that I know is constant about you is as soon as you're in the building, like whether it's the genuine joy that you have right now, I'm getting a little fired up. I knew this was going to happen minutes into talking to you. Like I want to run through a wall. But whenever I look at your stops, it's like, okay, first season, massive improvement, you know,

again, again, again. I'm always trying to figure out how you guys do this, but is there something to, and I'll use a little story here. I remember when I first time I ever started using a personal trainer, like he just started saying like, you can be like that guy, you can be as strong as him, you're tougher than that dude. And I was like looking at my scrawny body thinking,

what are you talking about, man? Like I'm looking at this trainer. Then I realized that his job was to make me feel better about myself and what my outcomes could be. Is there something as simple as when you first step into the building and you're at the facility that you remind yourself because you played, I need to tell these guys how special they are all the time.

And that's kind of the payoff that it seems like everybody responds to you eventually. I don't know. You know, it's a kind of just any team I've ever been on, you know, whether I was a, a player or a coach, I just, I just naturally gravitate to the guys who, uh, you know, who are the, who are working the hardest, who are, um, you know, who love football the most, that are the competitors.

Competitors welcome. So I guess I would just say it this way. I mean, I'm a coach who hasn't forgot what it's like to be a player. And I wanna be part of a team, I'm a coach who hasn't forgot what it's like to be a player. And, you know, and I want to be part of a team. I want to be on that team. And I want to measure up, you know, to, you know, here's what Justin Herbert's doing. And what you said is probably the best advice you could give anybody. I mean, look at somebody who's doing it right, who's doing it well,

who is successful. And then she can go emulate them, watch them, really study them, and then emulate them, even copy them. Then see if you can go make them proud of you. I mean, that's been my whole strategy, whether it was a player or a coach. So yeah, when they dropped me into this, this situation and, and I'm looking everywhere you turn, you're looking, okay, there when James,

I mean, I've never been around a guy like this. I never had a teammate like him when I was playing or a player like him. When I coached, I mean, you pick an environment, you pick the training environment, the practice environment, the game, game environment, the practice environment, the game environment, the sideline, the meeting room environment. He's asking the right questions. It's a fusive love of the game and this energy that is there every single day.

Yeah, I want to rub up against that and get some of that every single day. I'm the one getting that positivity. I'm the one that's feeding off of that. Justin, Rashaan Slater, Joe All, JK Dobbins, guys that add toughness to your team like Denzel Perryman and Loey Gilman. Zion Johnson, I mean, nobody works like this guy. It's precise in his technique and his diligent. I just love the way they attack their business. And then we got a strength coach, Ben Herbert. I mean, you want to talk about somebody that's going to train you, get you right, make you hard to break, and

coaches that are attacking it. And then, yeah, we've been through it a year now. Now we want to do it better. Now we want to do it version 2.0. So that's, I guess, I mean, that's really, that's what, you know, that's what I feed off of, you know, it's like light giving energy, you know, to go compete and be around other competitors who are like-minded, you know, Savage Warriors is what I call these guys. You know, it's like being around greatness every day watching Justin Herbert. So yeah, pretty darn, pretty darn good job. I mean, one might say, who's got it better?

And I'd say nobody. All right, that's a perfect transition because I want to talk a little college. Did you have time to watch the national championship? Oh, yeah. Yeah, you watched it. I watched it for sure. You know, it's uh, It's it's a respect that you have, you know, it's the respect that you have for the game. Uh, like I said, it's like it's like the super bowl this week, you know, you know, it's the respect that you have for the game. Like I said, it's like, it's like the Superbowl this week. You know, you know how hard it is to get there, you know, how tough it is to get there. You, you, in a, in a, in a, in a good way, it hurts things that you're, that you're not

there, but, but there's still that respect of, for the game and the teams that, that made it there. Same with the national championship game. And it's, you know, in whatever game I'm watching, I root for the team that's playing the hardest, you know, unless it's the Michigan Wolverines playing and I'm rooting for the Michigan Wolverines, the Baltimore Ravens, we're not playing them. I'm rooting for the Baltimore Ravens. My son coaches the special teams at the Seattle Seahawks. We're not playing the Seahawks.

I'm rooting for the Seahawks. But about every other game, I turn it on and I find myself rooting for the team that's playing the hardest. I wanted to ask you about a parallel between your experience in Michigan and then Ryan Day's at Ohio State, because when you first get hired at Michigan, like you look at what's going on there, eight and five, seven and six, five and seven, then you win 10 games.

You win 10 games through the first four seasons. You were ranked number seven or higher at least, I think in four of the five seasons, but you weren't beaten in Ohio State. So then it turns into at least I think in four of the five seasons, but you weren't beaten in Ohio State. So then it turns into at least the way I saw the people that do my job, like this isn't good enough. And I'm like well I look at things differently. I understand sometimes look at me and be like well how can you not understand that this is so disappointing to all these different fans. You figure it out, you beat Ohio State,

you win yourself a national championship. Ryan Day, on the other hand, comes in, it wasn't the rebuild that you had in Ann Arbor, but they're doing everything right, except they're losing to Michigan the entire time. And then in another year where they lose to Michigan the fourth time they win the national championship. Do you think as somebody who's lived it, and I don't know, I don't know how you can answer this one. Do you think as somebody who has lived it, the result of that rivalry game gets in the way of an honest evaluation of how the head coach is doing with the program?

No, I mean, it's what it's what you want for your team. I mean, you want you want ultimate success. Ultimate success. When you're coaching at Michigan or Ohio state is, is, you know, winning the rivalry games and winning the national championship. You know, that's what it is. You're coaching at the Los Angeles chargers or, or the Baltimore Ravens ultimate success is winning the, the Superbowl. You know, that's, that's ultimate success. We didn't reach ultimate success this year.

We look at the things that we did right. And we had success. We had success. And now, you know, you want to build, build, build, get better, better, better. But I think the important thing, you important thing for a coach or a player, I mean, it's the same. Just make sure you give it your very best. And that way, you're going to feel good

about what you accomplish. And then you're striving for next. You're striving for better at all times. And yeah, I think it's right. I think it's the better way, you know, not to let, not to let, you know, anything get in your head other than, you know, giving it your, giving it your, your very best coaching your team, just, just coach the team. That's keep, keep telling myself, you know, that and then every day, it's an everyday thing. I mean, today, today, for us, that's a day.

That's a day to attack a day, you know, with an enthusiasm unknown to mankind. And then we'll have a day to make it a great day. And then we'll have a week, you know, a month, a year. But hey, we got our team and let's let's focus on doing anything and everything in our power, you know, to make it the best darn ball team we've ever been on and achieve ultimate success. That's what you're going for. When I was reading about there was an article earlier this year about the end of your run, the end of your playing career with when you were in Carolina, right? And I think it was,

you were lightening it up on the scout team, but you kind of, you kind of knew like this is, this is probably the end. And I mean, these are your own quotes and I'm paraphrasing a lot of this stuff and you get to know Greg Roman and, and you started mapping it out. What was that like mentally for you to transition from, I guess it's over for me putting the pads on, let me start attacking this from the perspective of somebody preparing himself to be a coach?

What was that shift like for you over 20 years ago? It was easy. It was really easy, because I made the plan and always been, you know, to play as long as I could, you know, then coach, then die. You know, from the time I was, you know, five, six years old, I made that plan. And, you know, I just gave it the very best, you know, that I gave it my very best as a player. And then when it gets to the point where, okay, they're not playing anymore, you know,

they don't want you on their team, okay, now it's time to coach. So that was a very easy transition. A month later, I was coaching at the Oakland Raiders and, you know, Al Davis, I'm sitting in an office, you know, doing an interview with Mr. Al Davis, you know, is, damn, I'm going to attack that. He sees something in me. He sees something in me that he thinks is going to make a good coach. He believes in me, then I'm going to give

it anything and everything I have to make the Raiders better. And then I was on a team again, back in it, back on a team. I'm a coach. But I didn't forget what it's like to be a player either. I think that's been something that's been good for me. I just love to compete. You know, that's the thing. I mean, uh, I, uh, that's the best part to me is the competition.

And, uh, and that's kind of our mantra. That's, that is our mantra here at the, at the Chargers competitors. Welcome. Do you think you've ever done bad in an interview? Oh yeah, I've had some bad ones. I've had some clunkers. Did people just not get it? Like they didn't get the Harbaugh deal?

Like why do you think someone bad? Oh, there's just been some, you know, like sometimes I think for my own part, you mind just somewhere else. You else. It's like, yeah, there's been press conferences or whatever, and your mind is just totally on how we're going to block the three techniques from Kansas City. I mean, it looks darn near impossible. Your mind's there, and then boom, you're into the press conference. That's maybe, you know, when I, I've had some, had some clunkers here or there.

That's funny. It's just funny to me. You're never really striving to, you know, to, uh, to win a press conference. You know, you're trying to win a game. So, uh, sometimes your head isn't, isn't right there. I'd rather you win the game than win the press. I've seen a lot of coaches. I agree. I agree. I've seen a lot of coaches just kill it in press conferences and everybody gets so excited. And I'm almost worried when the guy is too good in the press conference, like this guy is so polished. Now I'm worried about the rest of the stuff.

And that is we've seen, we've seen a lot of NFL press conferences from head coaches look terrible. And it's the first introduction the public has to really getting to know a head coach. And then everybody freaks out about how awkward it is. And then you realize like none of that really matters as long as the 53 guys inside respect them, right? Yeah, I know that's a great observation, Ryan.

I mean, there's, you know, that first press conference, you know, like you're doing so much prior to that first press conference. I mean, you're talking to maybe 30 coaches because you're trying to hire, you know, 10. But you're talking to every single player, you know, on your team. You're already doing, you know, on your team, you're already doing, you know, scheduling and it's still, I mean, you're working on like 10, 12, 13, 15, 20, 100 things at that time. So yeah, I can see guys, you know, you step into that and go, yeah, my mind is on, you know, hiring this coach for, you know,

Yeah, my mind is on, you know, hiring this coach for, you know, uh, you know, signing this player, um, building a rapport with, with, uh, you know, these, these, uh, you know, 90 players are on the, on the squad. So, uh, yeah, maybe, maybe give the guys a break. You know, that, uh, that's not the most important thing in their, in their day. I have one more question and then I want to jump into what you're doing with Invivid here. I was in New Orleans when you went up against your brother in the Ravens Niner Super Bowl. It was a really good guy.

I picked you guys, by the way. So I think it was at that point, like the Kaepernick thing looked completely unstoppable. So my question, I know you've been asked this question like different forms. I've interviewed you a bunch and sometimes I'm never quite sure like where the answer will go and that does that loss really bother you because you're the competitor or are you so good at like mentally moving on from things? And then I can't imagine like do you and John ever talk about it casually?

Like where where is that memory in the family dynamic? Yeah, you know, where that memory is, is yeah, I was proud of our team. Yeah, you know, things that came up and we, you know, we didn't play our best early, you know, we got behind. I was really proud of our team, the way they fought back, you know, especially after the lights went out and then, and just, you back, especially after the lights went out. They stayed the course and came up five yards short of the goal line.

And then, brother John on the other side, there's nobody I love more. I don't have a better friend in the entire world than my brother. So there's that. I'm proud of him. I'm happy for him. I know that he earned that. And it wasn't given. There was no part of that. I'd lay down my life for my brother, but I would not let him win a football game mentality. So, yeah, just nothing but respect. And also, then there'd be the level of, I'm happy that happened to our family. That the two brothers were us. When we were kids, until he went off to college, there was, there was two little, two little twin

beds in the, in the same room. And there's two, two brothers, you know, uh, you know, growing up being best friends, nobody could have, nobody could have it better. Uh, and, uh, yeah, just really, just really proud of them. I mean, there's probably, um, you know, he's, he's the best, you know, he's, he's, he's the best or one of the best coaches in the, in the national football league and in the history of the game, a tremendous team builder, a tough, tough competitor that, you know, pulls it out of you. And, you know, and I love them. So that's, that's where all the, that's it. I mean, that's all the feelings from that time

and right up to the minute today. So we're in New Orleans and you're luckily back in LA. We got what you had. I know, I know. Well, yeah, I don't mean it as like, I just miss LA. LA's the first place, Manhattan Beach is the first place I've ever lived that when I land on the plane, I'm so happy.

Like the plane lands and I go, OK, I'm back, you know, and I've had some other stops that weren't bad necessarily, but this is the first one. But I love being in New Orleans. I spend a ton of time here. And I know, hey, look, part of the deal is you've got something to tell us and inform those that are still wondering about non-vaccination opportunities for people that are more compromised.

And I know that's what you're doing with InVivid, so tell us more about that. Hey, you said it beautifully. There's options that aren't vaccines. And it's especially for immunocompromised individuals. Those that had cancer, those that had organ transplants, you know, that COVID is still here. I know people don't like to talk about it, but that virus is, there's no good virus.

But you know, there's options. And it's kind of been that kind of a year for me this year. You know, I've just had the hip replaced 13 days ago. I had an arrhythmia during a game this, this season. So yeah, health is on my mind and, and just, just talk to your doctor. And that's, that's what I do. As you know, I'm not a doctor. There's no, there's no degree back here on the wall.

There's some other things, but it's not a medical degree. So I've worked with my doctors to make the right decisions for myself. And I advise you and others to work with your doctors. And go to expandtheiroptions.com. If they are, or they know somebody who's immunocompromised to give themselves additional options and protection. And again, that website is expandtheiroptions.com and that is a national champ.

And hopefully one day I'll be rooting for you, a Super Bowl champ and get another opportunity. It's Jim Harbaugh. So thanks, man. Well, this was appreciate you. That was a fun interview. That was good to talk ball with you. It's good, because I've had a few with you.

I remember going back to the days. We had a bad one? Have we had a bad one? No, we had a couple, but I respected it. Like I had to kind of ask and it was, it was really funny cause it was like a phone or at ESPN and it was, you were rumored to be leaving and I had to ask it. And so then I, I didn't really get what I wanted. So I was like, I'll, I'll try it again.

You were like, yeah, you're badgering me a little bit. And then, you know, Stanford bamboo shoots underneath the finger. And then Stanford Steve, you know, is my guy. So we all would go to the hotel and we would do those little standup interviews and I'd have to hold the mic up and, and do that stuff with you.

And I just never, I was always looking forward to it cause I never knew what I was going to get, but I never, there's never been a moment where I would say like, oh, he's, he's, I don't like him or he's tough. I've, I'd love that. I respect the shit out of what you do, man. So I think you know that, but I was just good to catch up, man. I got you.

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Okay, let's jump in. The email address, lifeadvicerr at gmail.com. I would say full squad today. We've got all the ones. Can I just ask if Steve Cerruti's wearing a custom Steve Cerruti hat or is SC something else? Nope. It is.

A little disappointing. Springline coffee hat. I'm a big rope hat guy. I mean, listen, I have some basic elements to me, it's fine. But now my sister got this for me. I think maybe the SC was a part of it, but now it is a coffee hat So, you know the first one to ask to me. It's a Steve Cerruti hat I feel like that's kind of douchey, but I like the hat. I don't know. What am I gonna do?

Hey, I bought a Kansas City Royals hat in high school cuz Casey and I Didn't have any qualms explaining it. Yeah wouldn't't wear it now, but, uh, I wish you would wear it now. Casey. I love that. It's a great logo. It's a great hat. It's really great. It's not my favorite blue, but it's a good blue, really good one.

Throwing ideas out there for the future. Maybe YouTube stuff, power ranking baseball hats. There you go. I'd argue that has a Mariners one. That has to have been done. Of course it's been done, but not by us. Fair. I think I, I don't know that I would ever put anything about the Yankees logo. Wow. That's coming from, from me. I think it's overrated. It would feel instant hatred.

I think it's the coolest fucking logo in sports and I hate that it is that cool. I guess I don't really hate it anymore. I don't care. I used to hate the logo so much, but I knew deep down, I was like, that thing is so dope. I'm looking for an A's hat recently. This is, well, I have an A's hat. I'm sorry. But like, I kind of feel bad because I'm like,

the ownership sucks, they're moving. But I think the hat is sick. Like the, you know, the yellow and green is just a good looking hat. I had an A's hat. I had a white socks hat. I love just a good looking hat. I had an A's hat. I had a white socks hat. I love just the white baseball hat. Heavy rotation those two.

Heavy rotation those two. I remember both of them. Oh, I'm thinking of your Graves hat. Not your A's, yeah. No, you're thinking of the Cardinals hat? Oh, he's got a couple. Cardinals, Pittsburgh. Socks hat I've seen a lot.

I go back and forth with the Cardinals. Yeah, I did reorder the old Boston white B thing because it's the one I wear to the gym and I couldn't wear it like anywhere because it would be disgusting. But yeah, I fitted 5950 at the gym. I tell you, you're gonna sweat a little bit more. Yeah, just sweat a little bit more.

No vents in there. Yeah, you're gonna feel it. Yeah, I've done, I even did a Giants hat, I think at one point that was a, that was a very short window. So I love that hat as well. But you know what, Kyle? Well, the Blue Jays ones, I have like seven of them because Bushman was with the team. And there's still two I really like, but that white one, Saruti despises. He really doesn't like that one on me.

White hats are tough. It's like 2004 vibes, you know, a white fitted. White on white, white watch, white fitted. That was the prime of my high school. What about a white leather hat? What do you think about that? Belly. All right, I could be done with this. What I would say is, Kyle, great instincts to ask about that

because I wanted to ask about that at some point and I love that you did it. I love that you just jumped right in and you got there. I also think my favorite thing is that Borgon shuts down all of his communications, video and audio, kind of knowing that he just lays in the weeds. And we go to him when we need him and his comfort level is not at a point where he goes, yeah, four wide now. It's unbelievable. His instincts.

Love it. Okay. Let's read a couple of emails. We have gotten more emails than I've said the last couple of months and never where he goes, yeah, four wide now. It's unbelievable. His instincts. Love it. Okay. Let's read a couple of emails. We have gotten more emails and I've said the last couple of months than ever before, so that's great. Keep them coming in. We also get a lot of followups to having Will Kain on. I do think that is it, I would say X is a different experience and predictable. And I also think the motivation to criticize versus the motivation to stay neutral and then followed way behind the pack. The motivation to say something complimentary. I get it. Will's aggressive about his politics. He's very right wing. He's on Fox

News. We talked about the maps because he's a huge math fan and he's my friend. So my advice to you, if like that bothered you so much that you had to send an email about it, find other things to worry about. Do better. Do better. Our favorite. Do better. There were so many people, I feel like that were like a couple weeks ago and you got excited about inauguration day indirectly. People were like, I knew it, I knew it. I knew it. We're back. Yeah, that was the best day of my year so far. It's been, you know, it's been a short year,

but that was the best day of my year so far. It's like he's never beating the allegations. So good. All right, let's do a couple of different ones here. Stats 25, six, three, 200, pickup comp, warriors, Iguodala, bench 205, Smith machine only, so probably actually 150, not sure of the conversion. I know that you're losing 55 pounds on a 205 Smith,

but you are losing something if you just go straight back. I am recently married and my wife started OZempic three weeks ago. Since then, I've noticed her breath stinking most of the time. At first, I thought it was just a coincidence or something we ate until I Googled it and saw Ozempic breath is a real thing.

I had no idea. Change in lives. One Ozempic breath email at a time. It allegedly, it's allegedly because it changes, the changes in your gut bacteria. Nevertheless, I'm now holding my breath whenever she whispers to me at church or when we are kissing. Oh bro. So you're going to have an in shape.

I think I'd rather have a heavy wife with good breath. How do I tell her that breath is her breath is now consistently bad and she has to stay on top of it because of her meds without hurting her feelings. My current plan is to leave the osempic breath search is my active safari tab and just wait for her to Google something on my phone. But I want to act quickly because I don't want her to get a bad rap at work. I'd say if you did it as your last search on a Safari tab on your iPhone, sometimes the iPhone when you

go to Safari, it just offers you up a page, so she may not even see it. Not usually you do. You shoot her a text with like, you know, a link to Ozempic breath and be like, oh, my bad, wrong person. The Larry David. That's mean for Saru, diabolical, I don't know. Well, if you really wanna make sure it gets across,

that's certainly a way, because I'm with you, the tap thing, you know, it's like, that's a wild card. I mean, you could just go full-blown like yeah, I had a 20% off thing at CVS. It's like seven different breath products Yeah, I don't know. That's a tough one. I mean, was she that heavy to begin with? Yeah Kyle get anything here. This is like double standard in my house You know when it comes to me, it's like, oh, your farts are disgusting.

Oh, you're burping too loud. Oh, your breath stinks. And then I would, I did a, you know, a morning, whoa, morning breath. And she was absolutely, I mean, I tried to do it nice, but I did it fast. It was, it was definitely a gut reaction. No pun intended, I think, with the GLP ones

or whatever we're talking about here. But I, I just was just, I was just like, Whoa, morning breath. And she was mortified. And it was like, like an hour before we got back to normal. But I mean, that's in the past, and I'm talking about it now. And it's all good. I just I'm telling you, it's a double standard in my house. I mean, she's got no problem saying I'm disgusting. I don't know, I personally, I would tell her if I was just like, hey, this is all the time

now. I would tell her she's going to be out in the world. At a certain point, are you on her team or not? It's not like telling your coworker that you don't really have a relationship with. You're like, this could mess things up down the line. You're telling your wife who's going out into the world and wants to be the best version of herself, obviously, if she's getting on this stuff. So, yeah, I think I would just say, hey, something I noticed and, you know, it's the good news is it's not you. It's something

that's happening to you. You weren't born this way. I don't know if that makes it better. That does make it better, I think. Yeah, this is happening to you. Yeah. Yeah. So, yeah, I wouldn't just come home with a new thing and be like, hey, I'm thinking about trying this new, extra strong mouthwash. We should both do it together in the mornings. I think you just be honest about it. Don't try to do any trickery here. It's a new merit, so I can see you not wanting to

throw things off if it's been going really well. But I think you should be honest and just find a practice, a nice way to say this. This always gets back to, like I would want someone to tell me if I had bad friends. Yes, especially your best friend in the world, right? Yeah, like, I just, like, she's walking around, she's working friends, and you're like the only person

that might just really be able to tell her, and she doesn't know. So you have the most data. Yeah, we have the most data. So that's just how I come at it. I'm not really in a house where, like, this gets shamed. Like, Kyle's's like, you know My wife and I mostly kind of call each other

It's usually me but you know, we mostly call each other out for stuff I remember like I wear a retainer like had braces and then did a mis line. I got where ever I'm sorry. It is what is or else my teeth literally move and I become a gap to bitch and Kidding land man's pretty hot though Yeah, I guess gap teeth are kind of coming back now. But anyway, he makes it work. Yeah, I wear a retainer and it kind of makes my breath smell more.

So and she told me that and I'm aware of it. I'm glad you told me. So that's that's how I come at it. I everyone's different. Your wife might be more sensitive, but I just think most people would want to know so they can then prevent it from being a problem for other people. Because because otherwise if you just walk through a life not knowing that's that sucks like that's such a bummer like everyone's kind of talking behind your back about how bad your breath is like i would just want to stamp the thing out i will say yeah you're not telling her i don't

love you anymore you're not finding a way to say that yeah i love you and here's start with i love you yeah start with i love you right your breath is kind of bad. We know why. I'm just, I just want to let you know, still love you. Nothing, but like, you know, you want to fix it. I'm here for you with options. Just in case there was any doubt. Cause I will say, I dated a girl like, you know, years ago and she had bad breath and like, you can't tell a girl like you're newly dating

that she has bad breath. Cause that's just, you know, it's an instant kind of deal breaker, but it was a deal breaker for me. And we just kind of, it kind of wasn't going to go anywhere because of that. Yeah. And we talked about this a while ago. Like you don't want this to come out in a fight where, you know,

that that guy was reaching in his back pocket for that one thing to say. And like, that's when it comes out, but carrying this for six months suffering, and I just burned it on something that I'm totally the bad guy now for, you know, I always feel like when I see an adult with gap teeth, I'm like, did the parents just go, no, we're not that. Like on the budget. Yeah, he's like the fourth kid and the other braces, he didn't wear his retainer.

And so like, we're just not doing this all over again. What blows my mind is Margaret Qualey. Like she's famous actress, her mom's famous too. Qualey obviously comes from money and she just has a gap tooth. I'm like, I wonder what the, what was the decision in her life to be like, no, I'm going to, I'm keeping the gap tooth thing. Like, I'm, this is my thing.

Like it's one thing for stray hand when it's become your kind of like part of who you are, but the gap, yeah, the gap. Yeah. Yeah. My, I have a Fred that says that's his whole thing. Got like a field goal poster in the front of his, in front of his face. And, uh, just like his calling card it's fine i don't think her gap is well the gap teeth i don't think it's uh that egregious you know it's not like stray hair and by the way her and jack absolutely stunned at the grammy's

red carpet i don't know if you guys saw that no No, that was a joke. He was wearing like a hat and a jacket and she looks great. And it was like, they stun at the Grammys right big, but he's just run out of words. They don't know how else to tweet out stuff. And they couldn't say like he looked average. Um, yeah, look, I think, I think there's a nice way to do this. I think there's a nice way to tell somebody. And ultimately as Saruti said, you're kind of doing that person a favor, but I think there's a nice way to do this. I think there's a nice way to tell somebody. And ultimately as Suri said, you're kind of doing that person a favor, but we're also talking about the emotional fragility of the person in the relationship.

And we all know there's plenty of people you just can't say this to, and it's going to turn it as some big thing. Um, so yeah, I think it's going to be a hard conversation where maybe you open it up and be like, Hey, look, I got to ask you look great. Nine's across the board. This has been a complete win. I'm happy about you. I'm happy about confidence.

Everything else. I'd like to shatter it right now though, by letting you know you have absolute malware breath. So how good are you at discussing difficult things? And if you're bad at it, you know, you gotta go into this as soft as possible. Know your wife, know the opponent, know what's going on. How has she reacted to stuff like this in the past, you know?

Yeah, if this is new too, like you might not even have your game face down. She might have, she might spot you holding your breath. You know what I mean? Is here like, I've done it before, before I did that big, like, Hey, before I let her know she had morning breath, there was a couple of times where, you know, I'm just turning away. I'm like looking at something else that she's talking directly to me.

I don't think I was very covert about that either. So, you know, you might get found out in another way and then not have, you might be on your back foot when you explain what's going on. So I do it from your front foot. There you go. Okay. This one's intense. What's up fellas? Six four, two 30 checking in from North Carolina. Pretty solid pickup Hooper. Well, six four and from North Carolina, I would, I would guess so. I catch at least a couple of Jokic comps every time I play. However, I'm fully aware that's more of a reflection than I'm a big white dude with good vision and footwork and some MVP skillset.

Okay. I've heard you all mention good times in Chapel Hill and a couple of pods, so would I be, so first I would like to inquire about a potential live show in North Carolina. I don't know that we would ever, it's probably a no. Forever's a long time, as I like to say, but it's probably a no, but thank you for your interest.

All right, getting into the reason of the email. My personal life has taken a complete nose dive in the past year. I have a good relationship with my mom. I've been dating the same girl. Let's call her Sarah for four years. Wait, Sarah, I think I know. Up until recently, I assumed all was well between them. We've been taking, we've taken a vacation together.

So I imagine he's talking about not just his girlfriend, one vacation is the way he explains the rest of this. It's with the mother as well. Taking a vacation together, double digit meetups throughout the years. They were never best friends necessarily, but there wasn't any notable tension. By the way, have you guys ever done a vacation

with your significant other and your family? Yes. No. No. All my other siblings brought somebody on the Long Beach Island vacation. They didn't even let me bring a friend. They didn't even let me bring a friend. They were just like, this is enough. You just don't ask.

I was like, but Ellie could bring in my brother and they were just like, yeah, that's right. We don't care. They have free approval, Brody. Yeah. Right. So Saru, you did it? Do you remember our development talks this year? Was it with your wife and it was just like known?

Um, what do you mean known? Like that she was your soulmate, your life partner. I've done it multiple times. That you were hitching your wagon to her. Um, oh wow. So yeah, going back to like high school, we did it with the high school girlfriend. We, uh, yeah, that's probably. God, you slept on the couch in the vacation house? No, no, actually it was a hotel room, two queen beds.

I think we went to Newport, I forget where it was. I don't think I could pull that off. So you mean like mom and dad are in that bed and then me and my girlfriend are in the same room. Yeah, but her dad was, he's right about it. Like, what are you gonna do? Like, we're three feet away from you. No, I'm not even gonna sleep.

I don't know. What are you gonna do? Look, I mean, you can pretend that there's those of us that have a conscience or are just so freaked out. Here's something I thought about this, and I watched two episodes of Land Man on the flight, so this is top of mind right now. So Billy Bob Thornton is the main character, his daughter is just unhinged, you know, just

everything like a nightmare daughter because she's gorgeous and you know, she's I think she's like 17 in the show and she's got this boyfriend who's you you know, just a stud and the whole thing. And basically he's divorced from the mother of this daughter and the divorced. God, I suck today. The divorced wife is, is Allie Larder, right? So all she does is like FaceTime him throughout the, I'm kind of over that part of it a little bit, but she just gets on and does these FaceTimes with Billy Bob and they just complain about the marriage or whatever.

And so then she's like, look, you have to take care of my daughter, I'm going to Cabo. Like she's gonna stay with you because I don't want her to stay here because she has a boyfriend. And if we leave him here at the house, like it's just not gonna happen, especially if you see the boyfriend.

And so Billy Bob's like, all right, fine. So they sent her to his side of Texas and she gets off the plane. I guess it was a private plan or something. She gets off the plane with the new boyfriend, right? And she's like, meet my dad. And the dad's like, he was not part of the deal. And then it made me realize like all of us that were the guys in the

relationships that were brought home to the girlfriend's house for like a stay over in that college age range. It's the worst thing you can ever do to a guy. Like there's a standard for chinas, but I just, I remember my freshman year was dating a girl that was like conveniently on the way to me getting back to Martha's junior, me getting back to Martha's junior was just a pain in the ass all the time during college breaks. And she was like, no, just come and stay. And then you can like get the bus the next day.

And I was like, I really don't want to stay at your dad's house. I just really don't want to stay at your dad's house. She was like, I really don't wanna stay at your dad's house. I just really don't want to stay at your dad's house. She's like, no, he's great, he'll love you. I was like, he cannot by law love me in that situation because here's this dude who comes rolling in fucking his daughter's 18, I'm 18, we've been. Right, you were just a myth before this point.

He didn't have put a face to it. It was just like maybe, but maybe not. Well, right. I was holding out hope, but like the reality is, is this guy is 18 and she's 18 and they're on their own and they're having sleepovers. And like, now you're going to walk this guy to my fucking house right before Thanksgiving.

And I have to like realize how real it is, even if, you know, your daughter was doing stuff in high school or whatever. So I don't know. I was always decent in those settings, probably because all the estimates. And then I, I'm like on the couch and he's like, you know, you're staying on the couch tonight.

And I was like, I want to stay on the couch tonight, sir. Like I am, I am on the couch. I love this fucking couch. Don't worry about it. I'll own this couch. Yep. I don't worry about it. Yeah. Right. And then he goes to bed and then no, please don't. Yeah. She like comes in. She's like, I want to watch law and order with you. And I was like, all right,

but don't like, come on. Like I think I can take your dad. Although then shit, I can take anybody. I was like, I don't, I was like, I don't want to, I don't want to be in this spot. And she was like, oh, they're old. You're the only one who wants this. I don't want this, they don't want this.

Yeah, like you're fucking me here, but like you can't. And then of course it just ends up being like, well, let's just go for a ride and like whatever. And I was like, all right. So the parents knew we left the house after they went to bed. And then, you know, everybody goes their separate ways. And then I'm on the couch in the morning and I'm waking up to a hot, hot living room. Like they're so pissed at me.

They're so pissed at me. And I was just like, all I could think of, and I guess I didn't quite understand it as well at that time, but now when I was watching this TV show, just to the women out there, I doubt there's a ton of college age women listening to this podcast, but you thinking like, oh, I can't wait to introduce them to the family,

just wait until 25, you're gonna break up with this guy anyway, you're gonna break up with a guy after this anyway, just wait until like 25, 26, when it's a little bit more real, because that guy doesn't wanna be there, your dad doesn't want that guy to be there, and all they're doing is speaking in a language without words as they look at each other, knowing they're doing is speaking in a language without words.

They look at each other, knowing that the answer is yes to all of this stuff. Like they're having some telepathic Charles Xavier type shit. So, all right. Wait, we had an email here, right? That was the beginning of the email, right? It was the beginning of the email. We're not even going on vacations. We're not even close.

That is incredible how that should happen. All right. That's impressive. So a couple months ago, on a recent visit with me, my mom expressed that she didn't think Sarah liked her and asked if Sarah would come over so that they could get to know each other better. Sarah had a friend's birthday dinner that night,

which is why I had not asked her to come over in the first place. However, I figured she could come over afterwards and told her about my mom's feelings. Sarah insisted that she did not want to cut her night short. Kyle, thumbnail this one. Even after I expressed that, I thought it was very important and a favor to me.

So you wanted your girlfriend to like end her girl's night out birthday party thing early so that she could come over to your house and work it out with your mom and talk about each other's feelings? Dude, that's the wrong call. Um, eventually Sarah broke down and said, she didn't like my mom and included quite a few reasons why controlling manipulative irritable. I didn't necessarily disagree with Sarah, but I insisted that this was a favor to me.

Not my mom, Sarah did not end up coming over, but while my mom was disappointed, she did not say anything. The next day, the situation exploded and went from a three to a 10 in severity. My mom insisted Sarah was a horrible person and that she wanted to tear our family apart, eventually demanding I break up with her. I was incredibly confused what escalated the situation at this point. However, today in an argument over the phone, my mom, she revealed that she had read my text messages that night and was appalled that I had let my girlfriend

speak about her in that way. As y'all could expect, I feel incredibly sorry for Sarah. that night and was appalled that I had let my girlfriend speak about her in that way. As y'all could expect, I feel incredibly violated. I'm not sure what to do at this point. Sarah means a lot to me and I love her very much. However, it's very hard to envision a future together with this cloud looming over me. At the same time, I feel incredibly uncomfortable with the idea of succumbing to the situation and demand my mom has now created. My relationship with my family is severely declined and things are pretty awkward when I go home.

In the effort of being completely transparent, I was already unsure on if Sarah was quote, the one prior to this situation. Please let me know what y'all's thoughts are and thank you for creating something which brings me joy. Sorry for the long email. Details that may answer questions if they arise. All right, you wanna bang these out ahead of time?

I am not overly worried about my girlfriend, my mom finding out about this email as I'm pretty confident that nobody they regularly interact with listen to this show. Never know. I'm very close to my mom, but fully recognize their flaws. Both Sarah and I are 22 years old. Okay, that's important.

I have a small immediate family consisting solely of my little brother, my mom and her boyfriend. They've remained somewhat neutral throughout these events. My girlfriend and I live in separate apartments in the Raleigh area. My mom lives in, wait, wait, wait, well now we're, all right, she lives hours away. A lot of people in Raleigh, yeah.

They, okay. All right, so there was just a lot of details there going on. All right, look, man, you're young so You know whether or not she's the one or whatever Like I still think it's super important for young people around this time to kind of like figure out like what your path and what? Your priorities are because it's things gonna change you're gonna learn all these different things about yourself all these things that you've assumed that were so important Years later, you're not gonna know that you were wrong about a bunch of the shit There's nothing you can do about that.

All right, I can't help you. There's no episode for that part of your life. Couple of things that I don't like here. Your mom going through your phone is fucked, all right? And that is like, for her to sit there and then get on your case because you didn't defend her to your, well, by the way, it's like,

hey mom, I didn't know you were gonna be reading these texts. And there are plenty of people that we all care about in our life that if somebody said something about them in a text, you wouldn't sit there and act like Camelot being like, I need you to immediately refrain and strike that comment from the record. So if somebody were that were being insulted, were to read it third party and go through your phone

and be like, oh, he had my back here. Nobody talks to each other that way. That's why when I hear about like, never any payoff by a lot of ticket, you have a better chance of getting pay off from that. Like there was, I think a wife hack amongst the dudes at one point. And the wife was like, I can't believe like you said this about me. And it was like, yeah, you were being a pain in the ass. And I said, you were being a pain in the ass and I said you were being a pain in the ass.

Like you want to, you seriously want to put your hand in the Bible and say you've never bitched about me to any of your friends after bar. Like I'm not saying you're an idiot, you're acting like an idiot. Right, right. So you asked your girlfriend to leave her friends at a super inconvenient time to come up.

She should say no to that every time. Actually, she's more of a keeper because she said no to that because it's an insane request for her to have to be like, post hanging out with her friends, leave early, and then be like, let me kick it over here and have this weird emotional showdown with this guy. Also, I think at 22, your mom's probably very possessive.

So like you're pointing to your girlfriend's critiques of your mother who says like all of those three adjectives, which all become incredibly true towards the end of the email. And you agree with your girlfriend that your mom's doing a lot of this stuff. So look, Sarah may not be the one, but your mom is probably in this weird, like extended parental

fame. She's got a power vacuum right now. Yeah. Family's small. power vacuum right now. Yeah. Family's small, the less people the more power. You're 22 but you just graduated college, she thinks you're 12, you know, and she's probably a little too invested. And at some point all of us have to get to a point

where it's like, I don't wanna marry my mom, I wanna marry that other person. Yeah, I think this is like pretty, like Freddie Kitchens level play calling from you, like trying to set up this girl. Was she out with her friends? Like, like maybe drunk, like you don't even know. Like you just, you tried to like, that's like a run up the gun on fourth and nine or something. Just like, come on. Can you imagine eight, eight deep text of Kyle at frolic room on a Saturday night being

like, Hey, hey, maybe you can come over a Bill Simmons emergency pie while we're at it. You know, it's like, that makes more sense. But what if your wife was like, Hey, my mom is here and wants to work some things out. Right. Why would you even think like you have to X you have to cut that play out of the sheet. It can't, you can't do that. Um, so the fact that you would do, and then, and then we're trying to make her feel bad about it, like do it for me, do it for me. Like this, you're going to get the worst of all of this if that actually happened if she showed up.

And then listen i'm not gonna beat you up for leaving your phone out let your mom go through it, but you know you did kind of allow that to happen so listen, I think you already talked about it like. You already talked about it like I think she could it's a very small family. She commands a lot of you know attention There isn't like, you know, sounds like your dad's not around to take the edge off and be like, hey Can you talk to her? So, you know, I feel for you there that you know, you have to you have to navigate this You know kind of shitty situation, especially if she feels like the family's small She probably holds on to her kids a little bit tighter than the average bear would at that point So I think I think this is just becoming sort of like, hey, I'm growing up and we need to have some boundaries here. And we had a life advice email before where Ryan actually did a good job of

saying what you need to say. I forget exactly what he said, but the through line is basically like, hey, you got to loosen the grip a little bit here. And maybe it's not gonna work out with this person, not saying the relationship isn't gonna work out, but maybe it's not gonna work out that they're best fucking friends and they go on their own little tea dates or whatever women do together. Maybe that's just not gonna happen

and they'll see each other at Thanksgiving and Christmas and a stressful Long Beach Island trip, I don't know. But I think the headline should be like, Mom, this cannot go on. This part cannot go on. Yeah. I guess this would be easier if you were more, I mean, again, you're 22, so it's hard, but if you were more convinced that this could be the actual girl. But I do think it's a good situation where you can, like, it's a good excuse to like reset the boundaries with your mom. And, you know, I don't, I don't think you have to like be a dick about it, but. You know, clearly show that you're mad clearly show that she went over the line that this is like not an acceptable form of behavior.

And, you know, I wouldn't like give her the, you know, the silent treatment or something like that, but I think that I think you need to do something to show her that what she did is not acceptable and kind of reset the boundaries between you and her because clearly she doesn't respect that. And yeah, I know some of that is like what you said, Ryan, that she just thinks you're probably younger than you really are.

But from everything you said, this is a pretty troubling mom trait and needs to kind of be corrected. And I guess there's probably a reason that your girlfriend doesn't like her in the first place. So I don't know. Yeah, she's the only one with fresh eyes. No, she's manipulating everyone. Yeah. So, you know, like, I know you can't see it. I don't know how you fix that, though. That's going to be. That's the type of mom you have. That's just the truth. Yeah. Yeah. But now,

now like the mom's going to blame the girlfriend for, you know. That's just the truth. Yeah, yeah. But now, like, the mom's gonna blame the girlfriend for, you know, if you guys become more distant. You can't put that back in the bottle. Yeah, that's out there. It's kinda fucked on the relationship a little bit. So, I don't know. Okay, but you guys just said something like, you know, it's your mom, can you fix it?

Well, can you fix it if you've never attempted to fix it? And I think that's the conclusion that I have on this email is that, all right, so say Sarah isn't the one one or say that this dynamic is all messed up. All right, that sucks. And eventually you won't care, right? You just won't. You'll move on to the next thing, but this needs to be a moment

that your mother remembers. This needs to be a moment where you go to her and you go, Hey, guess what? Like, I get it. You know, you're protective of me. You're my mom and you're always going to have my best interest. But the fact that you feel like it's okay for you to betray me, to go through my phone, and then use these pieces of information

that I don't even realize you have against me, like how long do you think that's gonna go on? Like when do you think that's still acceptable? Because you seem to think it's acceptable now, but at some point, like that's not gonna be acceptable. At some point, it's not gonna be for you to determine who I end up spending my life with, who I date, and ultimately who I marry.

And even if she tells you no, and like, I don't know if she's smart enough or to figure it out, or sometimes you argue with somebody who isn't that smart. It's even more frustrating because they're just like, no, no, you know, and just like, all right, whatever. But like, think about it. Your girlfriend is accusing your mother of the thing that your mother is admitting to executing. So can you tell your mother, all right, fine.

Sarah doesn't like you. You don't like Sarah, all these things. But the thing she's accused you of, you just did. You just did all of those things to me. You are this manipulative. You are this like overpowering. So fine. Okay.

That's what it is with this one or whatever. But like, do you think there'll be an age where you don't think it's right for you to do this anymore? Cause it's already happened and you need to accept it. Cause that day is coming. Like you, you, you're pushing it off, but like this whole thing needs to be a moment that alters the path of the river. Okay.

And that's what I think the reward is in all of this, even if you lose the current day, but you're six four, dude, it'd be fun. Today's live advice was brought to you by Amazon Business, the ultimate time-saving tool for business buyers. Visit business.amazon.com to learn more. Okay. So the plan is if there were some big Durant trade or whatever, by the time we were taping this, we would have thrown it in. It seems like everybody thinks he's going to be on the move here, but there's

so many different versions of this thing that I think have gotten shot down. So I don't really have much on that. I'll add something, but if we don many different versions of this thing that I think have gotten shot down. So I don't really have much on that. I'll add something, but if we don't have anything, Saruti, I think the plan would just be full episode on Friday. I may jump in. Bill has a two-parter tomorrow.

So everything's been kind of on hold just because of the Durant rumors. You want to give us 30 seconds on Middleton Kuzma? I think Middleton can still play a little bit. Um, Kuzma a little more dynamic probably at the stage of his career, but, uh, really this has to do with the financial ledger, which most of these trades will be about the next, I don't know, 24 hours. So 27 hours. Yeah. So that's all I got for you.

So again, uh, that'll do it for us. We have a full Friday show, Troy Aikman, Brian Curtis, Trent Dilfer will be on Monday show after the Superbowl. So we'll have a normal schedule and maybe I jump on the Thursday thing if there's something significant enough to do it, or if something happens later today, I may just post it separate or tacking onto this pot a little bit later. So that's what we got. That's the plan. Ryan Russell podcast, and also on YouTube, please subscribe. Ring our Spotify. Must be 21 and older, present in select states for Kansas in affiliation with Kansas Star Casino or 18 plus and present in DC gambling problem, call 1-800-GAMBLER or visit rg-help.com, call 888-789-7777, or visit ccpg.org forward slash chat in Connecticut,

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