The Ryen Russillo Podcast - College Football Prep Thoughts, Plus a Fantasy Football Primer and Quarterback Debate With Field Yates
Episode Date: August 5, 2024Russillo starts the pod by trying to make sense of college football's latest round of realignment (0:36). Then, Field Yates joins the show to rank the top five fantasy players at each position, explai...n why the best players aren’t the best fantasy players, and share some sleepers for the upcoming season (10:28). Finally, Life Advice with Kyle (53:04)! Should I let a gym bro perform my vasectomy? Check us out on YouTube for exclusive clips, livestreams, and more at https://www.youtube.com/@RyenRussilloPodcast. The Ringer is committed to responsible gaming. Please check out rg-help.com to find out more, or listen to the end of the episode for additional details. Host: Ryen Russillo Guest: Field Yates Producers: Steve Ceruti, Kyle Crichton, and Mike Wargon Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices
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We're going to field Yates on.
He's going to give us all of his picks, top five rankings at all the positions for fantasy
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There's a lot of stuff that I want to talk about.
You've been traveling a bit and there's a few monologue ideas kicking around, but
I was doing my college football preview stuff, reading it, getting ready.
You know, it's already been my favorite sport to watch.
I just love Saturdays and you've also heard me enough.
Um, if you're not new here complaining about how much college football has
changed, cause we're changing a lot.
We're changing a lot in sports and we're making a lot of changes to a lot of sports in a very short amount of time.
And with college football, there's no better example of like, what are we doing?
And it's not because I'm old and it's not because I'm just a preacher of tradition.
It's just, I think sometimes we can get a little too far away from the things that matter.
So let's get you caught up on all the different stuff that's been happening.
Because I know I need a bit of a primer because every now and then I'll be like, oh, that's,
they're there now.
That's what's happening.
Who's on the schedule?
How does that work?
They're still around.
All right.
So let's, let's recap some of this stuff.
The big 10 has 18 teams now.
You knew this.
That's the most teams in a single conference since the Southern Conference had 23 teams in the early 1930s.
I don't know what media days were like then.
You can imagine 1932 gangs there for some ham sandwiches
and pickles and they're like,
this is the future of college football right here,
the Southern.
We've got 23 teams.
Top that.
The Pac-12 is the Pac-2.
It's really a member 12 is the Pac 2.
It's really a member guest of the Mountain West.
Larry Scott should take a lot of the blame for this
conference basically not existing when he came in guns
blazing marketing tennis.
He gets it.
They want Texas, Oklahoma.
Then they didn't want them.
They ended up with Utah and Colorado. And now they're dead.
The number of updates that we got in this TV deal that never
materialized and look, I don't know if Texas, Oklahoma were
real and it could have saved them. I don't know if they
should have realized they weren't going to make as much the
Big Ten or the SEC or if there was any deal like this even
happened at Biggie's football. If they had just taken the deal,
they probably could have kept that going.
I don't know if that means long-term, but there was probably a point in time for
the Pac-12 was like, this might be the best you can do, but it also means a
much better chance at survival.
You know what I did today?
I went onto esbn.com.
I clicked on the college football standings.
Everybody's zero zero right now, but it's all there and it'll look, it's not a
cheat sheet, it's just a reality of,
oh, they're there now. If you go to the Pac 12, there's two teams,
Oregon State, Washington State. Makes me sad.
You're going to click on those standings.
And let me check the standings in the Pac 12. Like, hey,
we're a game out at first. Yep. You're also in last.
And the Mountain West,
I don't know if they're just gonna be absorbed into the Pac-12.
The Pac-12 is gonna pretend this is still
a Power Five conference, or whatever that means.
I mean, back in the day, like,
hey, do we still get our automatic bid?
Well, that's like, I don't know.
Just let us know.
Let us know when you guys get that thing settled.
It's sad, and it makes me sad, okay?
There's an actual realignment tracker
on ESPN.com. I didn't even know that existed, but it's needed. When I was looking up different stuff
this morning, I went through it and it was like, okay, so this happened then. These are the new
teams. These are the teams they've lost. It's like, nobody's signed Tias Jones yet. When I looked at
the Conference USA chart on Wikipedia, it was like trying to read the
pre-market on Monday of Japan.
There's a bunch of colors and there's some letters, but I can't understand.
I'm looking at it, but what does any of this mean?
Again, Conference USA was gutted by the American Conference because the American Conference
lost a bunch of big profile programs. The big 12 conference USA had what five teams a couple years ago.
Now they have Sam Houston State and Kennesaw State.
So awesome.
All right.
So back to the power five slash power four.
The ACC has 17 teams because they're still worried about what's going to happen to them
with Florida State and Clemson.
So I guess they were like, I Stanford and Cal are tough to get into.
We'll add them to end SMU, right?
Cause that makes a ton of sense.
Um, I don't know where you're going to be November 8th when Cal takes on Wake
Forest, but I hope you're excited.
I'm a little worried about NC State's back to back against Cal and Stanford as well. I'll tell you who's excited about Stanford and that is the ACC Twitter account.
When Katie Ledecky won gold, again, the ACC Twitter account posted a picture of her celebrating her accomplishment with the hashtag Olympians made here, even if they weren't made there because
Ledecky left Stanford in 2018, but this is not new.
No one seems to care about the facts.
I mean, Bama added five national championships because an SID had an afternoon.
There was a big 10 preview that I read that was a very favorable big 10 preview.
There was a big 10 preview that I read that was a very favorable big 10 preview.
Completely dismissing that half of the league sucked forever.
They said, look, the five, five of the best 10 teams in college football this year are big 10 teams.
Because of the final rankings of 2023.
Yeah, kind of, but if all five of those teams had been in the same conference,
do you think they all would have ended up going as far as they did
and ending up in the top 10? Not really.
But again, that's not that bad.
It's not as egregious as Olympians made here.
The Big 12, I remember reading Big 12 media notes,
traveling to game day years ago,
and I was trying to figure out this note. I don't know if it was Oklahoma state.
Let's use them as an example, not being critical of it, but I'll use it as an
example.
And when you're reading all these different team notes that sometimes can be
put out by the teams, it said Oklahoma state has this many wins against active
SEC schools.
And I thought that's a lot of wins.
How would they even have played that many SEC schools in the last 10 years?
That doesn't even make any sense.
And Brad Edwards cracked the code.
He goes, dude, they're counting wins against Missouri
and A&M when they were in the Big 12 as now SEC wins.
Well, that doesn't seem very honest.
Again, I still think 17 is too old
to be running some of these accounts.
The Big 12 is really the winner,
considering the challenges they were facing
out of all of this,
because the challenges for the Big 10 and SEC are not there the way they are for everybody else.
And it's trickle down a poaching everybody else going like, look, you guys can worry about it.
But the big 12, which was an endangered species, which would have been, it would have been a better
bet to think the pack 12 were going to survive 10 years ago than the big 12 would have. And even
though the big 12 like hung on and hung on and then they lose Texas and Oklahoma, people make the 10 team joke and now they're at 16 teams.
They've added other teams to the past.
This year they have both Arizona schools, Colorado's back.
They've got Utah in there.
They've got great basketball.
They found a way to just kind of hang on to the whole thing.
All right.
And you may have forgotten this on the basketball note that Cincinnati
played in the Big 12 tournaments quarterfinal.
Interesting tidbit there. Um good for them. They also have 12 slots with affiliate members
for wrestling and equestrian, which is Cal Baptist, the Dakotas, Wyoming, and Denver
for women's gymnastics. You want to go and really waste some time, start looking at some of the
Olympic sports and where they're affiliated.
So I don't, I just would be upset if there were two roommates who were like,
well, what are you talking about?
I'm in the Atlantic 10.
You're like, well, no, I'm in the big 10 because of sport.
I mean, right now John Hopkins is in the big 10 for lacrosse.
So maybe none of this really matters, but it's starting to feel like it matters
because nobody can keep track of any of this stuff anymore.
And we know it's all driven by money.
Like I was reading a note about Notre Dame, their new deal,
I think they're going to pull in about 60 million for themselves.
And people get pissed about it because they get pissed at Notre Dame.
And by the way, there's many other high profile programs
that would love to be as disappointing at the end of the season
as Notre Dame has been over the last however many years you want to go through.
It's actually a little bit better than I think people want to give them credit for, but people just hate Notre Dame.
They're mad Notre Dame gets 60 million, but they're not mad that Vandy and Bama get the same cut.
And that's kind of back to that ACC argument of Florida State and Clemson.
And that's at some point in life, you probably have to learn how to be a good
partner and right now in this sport, no one wants to be a good partner.
The big 10 commissioner was speaking the other day and I'm going to be fair here
because he was talking about expanding the playoffs. And right now in this sport, no one wants to be a good partner. The big 10 commissioner was speaking the other day and I'm going to be fair here
because he was talking about expanding the playoffs.
And when I first saw the quote, I went, can we actually do this version of the
expanded playoffs before we start talking about expanding it already?
Can we just do it this year?
And what he really was saying, he was being very open-minded of the reality of,
well, you know, we'll see how 12 goes, but I haven't ruled out any of these things.
And that's the whole point is that it's going to keep going in that direction.
And I think asking at times in this case, Hey, what's the end game?
Like, what do you want this to be?
Because something that matters, conference affiliation, mapping the cultures of different
parts of the country and feeling like when you watched a product, it was a specific product
that looked a little bit different than the product that was still the same product, but
it was played in a different way because it was a different part of the country with different
high schools and different coaches and different priorities.
All of those things that I could just see on Saturdays, none of
it's going to matter anymore.
And maybe it doesn't matter to you because I've heard the argument, this is the way that
it's always been.
Right?
Louisville is on their sixth conference.
BYU has been at four conferences in 29 years.
But here's a number.
All right.
Since Texas and Oklahoma announced three years ago, they're going to go to the SEC.
33 FBS schools
have changed. Conferences. That's fucking stupid. And that's the end of my argument.
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Hey, we're going to talk some fantasy with
Phil Yates of ESPN's fantasy focus podcast,
uh, which is terrific.
And the motivation behind this is on
Thursday, Yahoo is going to do a
league with Simmons and I and other Ringer employees.
We're going to do a live draft on Thursday.
So I need to prep.
I need to get back in this deal and field is great.
So excited to talk to him.
So let's get to it.
So I was looking at all the draft averages.
I was looking at your rankings.
I've actually done a lot of prep on this.
I've been listening to multiple fantasy pause,
just trying to get a gauge of where everything's at
right now, and we're getting ready for our Thursday deal.
So McCaffrey is the clear no-brainer,
if you have the number one pick,
there's no argument to go with anyone else,
considering what he had, 100 more points in scoring
last year than any other running back.
Yeah, you know, I tell people this frequently,
is like fantasy football does have some elements
that kind of like mirror economics in the market, right?
And so like, think of this as supply and demand, they're just not going to be nearly as many
game changing running backs in fantasy football as there will be wide receivers, which inherently
makes the value of a top tier running back that much greater.
And he was so much better than the field last year, like even Breece Hall having this incredible
receiving season and having nearly 1600 total yards and McCaffrey was still that much better than the field last year. Like even Breece Hall having this incredible receiving season and having nearly 1600 total yards
and McCaffrey was still that much better.
We did this project this year, which when I say it,
like it makes me sound like I have less of a life
than I already acknowledged that I do.
We did 35 mock drafts as kind of like an ESPN fantasy staff
this summer, plus some of the ones that I had been doing,
just like other leagues or just even like
a little bit of prep myself.
And McCaffrey went first in all but one of them.
So and I'm talking about like 40 to 50 total mock drafts.
He has gone first in every single one of them.
And the only time he didn't was when somebody was like,
I just want to mix things up a little bit.
So I'm taking CD-LAM.
Okay. So that was the only other scenario
where somebody went with a non McCaffrey pick.
Yeah, and then C.D. Lamb.
I could talk, if we were in court, I could make the case for C.D. Lamb, Brice Hall, maybe
B. John Robinson, maybe Tyreek Hill, but it's almost like you're paying a premium on players
you could likely get.
If you're inclined to take C.D. Lam first overall, you might just offer the number one pick to the guy
at number two and see if that person prefers
Christian McCaffrey and then trade your first
and second round pick for their first and second round pick
and get CD Lam and whatever one player ahead
in the back end of the second round would be.
Okay, so when I think about the running back position
was we'll stay here.
You know, back in the day, there were just so many different ones
that you could go with.
I mean, that was kind of the strength of your team,
is if you have a great number one
and a really good number two,
you had a great chance of winning your league,
but because of how the game has changed,
and when you start looking at the total scoring
from this position,
it's like, you wonder how deep you can go.
So who do you have as your top five running backs right now?
And then let's try to get to that cutoff point
of now you're in trouble.
Yeah, I just said there's a line.
So the first five in this order,
Kershaw McCaffrey, Breece Hall, Bijon Robinson,
who are all in like the top six overall.
So like regardless of position,
those are three of my top six players.
Next up, and I flipped up on these two guys,
which is I'm saying that not to like take myself
off the hook if one of them outperforms the other,
but more to suggest just how close they are,
is Saquon Barkley and Jonathan Taylor,
like two guys who have been the top of the fantasy heap
at the top of the fantasy heap in the past.
Those guys are four or five.
Then you get into Kyron Williams, Jamir Gibbs,
Isaiah Pacheco, Derek Henry,
as kind of like the first nine
where I feel really good about those guys,
either because what they've already done,
what they are set up to do this year,
like even in the case of Derrick Henry,
we talk about age all the time for running backs.
It feels like the stars have aligned to be in Baltimore
and play in an offense that, not to get nerdy,
but this is a fantasy football podcast,
or at least a conversation about fantasy football
with you.
Yeah, just today.
Yeah, just today.
For Derek Henry, he's used to,
we love a stacked box talk on any podcast we can find.
He's used to seeing eight men in the box all the time
in Tennessee when they had such a low volume,
and frankly, not that scary passing attack surrounding him,
especially after A.J. Brown got traded, where in Baltimore, while Lamar has never had a low volume and frankly, like not that scary passing attack surrounding him, especially
after AJ Brown got traded.
Where in Baltimore, while Lamar has never had like the super dynamic number one wide
receiver for fantasy purposes during his time as the starter, he's led the NFL in passing
touchdowns during his time in Baltimore.
He's a two time MVP.
Like if you're just going to key on Derek Henry, Lamar is going to win the MVP again
this season.
So he's in a really good spot.
So those first nine I feel good about. Then you get into a territory of Alvin Camara, Travis ETN,
a few others. I think the number is close to like 17 or 18 running backs. And then all of a sudden,
you can easily talk yourself out of those players. And there's like a general sense of where that
takes place. It would be Aaron Jones now in Minnesota after being cut,
Ramondre Stevenson, James Connor,
Zach Moss who if you're optimistic that like Cincinnati will make him the starter you're kind of like I
like the player. I don't love the player or the situation. So if you play in a smaller league
it's more likely that a lot of the teams
have two good running backs.
You're prioritizing those backs early.
If you're playing in a 16 team league,
just by volume, the sheer number of teams
that are gonna be guaranteed two good starting
running backs is lower.
So you can be a little more unique at the top of the boards,
but those running backs start to get scary in a hurry.
Look, well, I used to play all the time
and I had a league with my buddies back home
and my problem would be I watched on Saturday,
hey, this guy is good.
And that's just not what the game is.
You have to think about the scoring opportunities.
So there are times when I'm getting ready
and thinking about it,
because it's only been the last couple of years
that I haven't had any kind of team
or haven't been in the league at all. But like I'll look at Bijan, right? Like everybody loves
Bijan and I promise that this podcast episode will not be why did you do this? Why did you do
this for 40 minutes? But you have Bijan, I believe third in your running back rankings. He was ninth
in scoring last season, but it's this constant and we'll do it when we get to Drake London and receivers too.
It's this, everybody's on the same page with this, this hope.
This it's the most optimistic anyone has ever been about a group of skill guys
in that post coaching change and cousins being in Atlanta that Bijon and Pitts
and London are all going to go off now.
And look, Bijon is one of the most talented running backs we've seen come out.
But to have him third,
how much of that is just him,
I mean, it just seems to be complete faith
that it can't be as bad as we just saw.
Yeah, I think the baseline that he is working from last year
at the quarterback spot is like, not like bad.
It's like maybe, you know, as bad as there was
in the NFL last season, other than perhaps the Jets,
maybe the Patriots, like, I mean, I guess there were a
handful of teams that really, really bad quarterback play last
year. But Atlanta, like we have a very well established
threshold of like what Kirk Cousins offenses will look
like. The ceiling is probably not top three or top five, but
the floor is probably like a league average offense. So
they're going to have way more trips to the red zone this year. And because of reasons that I would argue like are illegitimate,
Bichon had two carries last year inside the five yard line, two. And I know that Tyler
Algier is a good serviceable player, but at some point, like even if it wasn't you that
made the call, it wasn't you that was coaching when he was the eighth overall pick like you have to just recognize that it's gonna have to be
Bijan more than any other player on the offense and I hear you on the idea of like everybody is like all of a sudden bouncing
Back on Bijan and Dricklin and Kyle Pitts, but that number field that that number is so absurd
That's an impossibility that that number will mirror what just happened
So there's like a fullback who probably has. They're probably a defensive player
who had more goal to go carries last year than Bijan, right?
But I am not,
so I have like tepid expectations
for Kyle Pitts again this year.
So I've kind of felt like,
cause I do think at some point you can't just say like,
it was really bad.
They add Kirk Cousins and they change coaches
and everything becomes like elite across the board.
I think there's room for two stars in this offense.
And I'm banking on it being Bijan and Drake.
That's where I've settled personally.
Okay. Why isn't Jameer Gibbs going top five on average?
Probably just because he's got more confidence.
Like if you're talking about sheer number of snaps
he's going to play this year
and more snaps equals more opportunities.
He has probably the best co-starter
or backup running back in the NFL. David Montgomery
is a starter on quite a few teams. And while Gibbs really picked up down the stretch in terms of his
red zone and goal line utilization, if they get the ball, like if they throw a bomb to JMo,
Jameson Williams, and he catches it at the eight yard line and is dragged down at the one,
and they don't have to hurry up to the ball to snap it.
I think David Montgomery is coming on the field.
But that's my guess.
And if that happens, like if there are opportunities
where they have goal to go situations,
three, four, five, six times throughout the year
and they have their choice of who gets the football,
it's gonna be David Montgomery.
Whereas if you go to other backs that are drafted
just ahead of him or right behind him,
like even Isaiah Pacheco in Kansas City
going behind Jameer Gibbs,
they're gonna be the guy at the goal line.
They just are.
So that's probably like, there are only so many things
you could make the argument against Jameer Gibbs for,
but that's probably the strongest bet,
is sheer volume and David Montgomery being a bigger back.
Right, I mean, Gibbs is still going on average
on the ESPN drafts.
It's 6.5, so it's not like he's going ninth or something,
and I'm outraged by the whole thing.
But I think there's an argument to be made
of the optimistic side of Bijon
versus what Jemir already did in the first year.
But at the same time,
this is kind of going back to my original thing.
It's like as much as we all like Jemir Gibbs,
Bijon was once a generational talent running back.
So there's just no way that he can't.
And I think that's why you're seeing him projected number three, both on your projections and
the overall staff projections going up there now.
You know this too, like, again, not to sidetrack to basketball for a second, but like obviously
you're all in on the draft and you know it.
Like, I know that everybody loves like, hey, I want to know exactly where like so and so,
like, you know, where's Kyle Filippowski on your like, you know, one to 50 big board,
like you have him 27th.
I had him 23rd.
Like that's wild.
You had him 27th or whatever.
But I say this all the time.
Like I think of players and fantasy is tears, right?
It's our buckets, whatever you want to call them.
So like when I have Jameer Gibbs, I did like, you know, Christian McCaffrey probably is a
tear unto himself.
I expanded a little bit to three running backs.
But like, sometimes when you're sitting there and you're like, gosh, this guy's like the
fifth running back off the board and that guy's the eighth.
Like that sounds like a big difference, but I'm kind of saying the same thing, which is
like, I have zero qualms if that guy is the number one running back on your team and you
should feel great about him every single Sunday.
Again, this is not to like skirt responsibility if I get my picks wrong.
It's more to suggest to people that there's so many times, like I get questions on Sunday
morning where it's like, you know, am I starting this guy or that guy? And I'm like, like,
flip a coin, right? Like my job, I don't have like this crystal ball. That's not what a
fantasy analyst is. It's to take as much information as we have and try to present it in like a
neat and tidy way.
But a lot of times, I'm talking to my brother
who's got three kids and him and his wife work full time,
so he's not sitting there during the week
closely studying the Jaguars practice report.
So he doesn't know if Christian Kirk's Q next to his name
is an actual Q or if he's like,
hey, just a little bit dinged up and he's gonna play.
Most of the time people are looking for confirmation more so than they are looking for like a clear cut answer between
Terry McLaurin and Tyler Lockett in week eight based off their projections.
Yeah. I mean, as much as I still listen to sports talk radio, I would tell you that
my least favorite content in the world is the rapid fire calls. Be like, all right,
I have Givens and Frisman Jackson
in one wide receiver spot open.
It's like, why did, yeah, all right.
Okay, so this is good then,
because let's get a quick Saquon thing in here,
because this also leads into the Hurts conversation.
Where Hurts is still gonna go top five
as far as quarterbacks are concerned.
So I don't wanna go all quarterback right now,
but there is a fascinating like, well, does Hurts hurt Barkley? Because I don't think to go all quarterback right now, but there is a fascinating like, well, does hurts hurt
Barkley because I don't think they're going to stop doing the most successful single play in the NFL
with the tush push, whatever you want to call it. But at the same time, like a healthy Barkley,
like it's just going to be hard to pass on the idea of him being pissed and him being like ready
to go. And I would say even without Kelsey feeling better about the offensive line,
I mean, I don't know what you would say. Well, basically I would say,
it's not even about an offensive line conversation between the giants and the
Eagles, especially when you look at the health of the giants over the years,
but not having any fear whatsoever about getting beat down the field
or on the outside. So even if you're,
you're trying to figure out the math of how many touchdowns is Barkley
going to take from Hertz or is Hertz just going to still keep all of his, the field
must it, the default of this is that at least there's other threats that Saquon has around
him that he's not had with the Giants.
Totally. It's like you got separate, you got two separate gravitational forces. I'll throw
one more kind of into that argument you made about the Russian touchdowns because it's
legit. Like if they have the ball, I was talking about how if the Lions have the ball first
and goal from the one, like, and they're handing the ball off to a running back, it's probably
David Montgomery over Jameer Gibbs.
For the Eagles, it's just let the quarterback just do what he does, which is be the best
short yardage runner in the NFL.
And beyond that, if you look at Jalen Hurts so far in his career, and this tracks with
a lot of guys who have been very, very good rushing quarterbacks. They don't tend to throw the football off, throw the football to
running backs as much because quarterback scrambles sort of offset dump offs to the back, right? Like
Brady or like even still in Tampa, like Baker Mayfield, not a very mobile quarterback,
but dumps the football off all the time, which is why Rashad White had this monster receiving
season last year. By the way, that's a positive of Baker's game.
It's not a negative, it's like good decision making.
So you have the idea that Saquon probably won't be
as involved in the passing game,
and the fact that he might not have as many
rushing touchdowns from short yardage,
working against the fact that it's, I don't know,
if it's not the best offensive line in football,
it's a decidedly better offensive line
than anything he ever played behind in New York.
And we've seen over the past couple of seasons,
like Miles Sanders was like the third leading rusher
in the NFL two years ago
and had like a big touchdown season.
Jalen Hurts can get his
and the best running back in Philadelphia
can get his as well.
And maybe this is like too much of a narrative,
but like I don't think the Eagles paid all this money
for a team that has totally devalued
the running back position during Howie Roseman,
their GM's tenure, to have Saquon come in and be like,
just a part of the running game.
You should be the focal point, the entirety of it.
Yeah, I mean, it's a brand new toy,
and I would think you'd want to show it off there a little.
Okay, let's talk wide receivers,
because we still have a lot of work to do here.
Give me your quick top five. And then I think there's like a big lingering question
I did some research on so I'm excited about so I know your five is a little different because it sounds like
CDs the consensus one and you just flipped him with Tyreek, right?
Yeah, I flipped through a Tyreek recently and this is sort of a hedge right now
I sort of own this is that like if CD lamb doesn't have a contract and it's
August 28 as opposed to August 5th when you and
I are talking right now.
Like at some point the possibility of him missing a game is there, right?
And the Cowboys have gone down this road before.
They famously did it with Zeke who got the contract done like right before week one.
He was back on the field and it was fine.
But we've seen these contract holdouts become a real trick for these wide receivers.
Brandon Ayu, CD Lam still unsettled as of this moment.
And it's not like Tyree kills like some slouch, right?
Obviously, but C.D. Lamb, if he got signed tomorrow,
would flip back up because if you look at his last 11 games
last season, it's like historically ridiculous.
134 targets in his final 11 games last year,
which that's a good number for a full season.
He did it in what, two thirds of a season.
So Tyreek, C.D., I have Amon Ross St. Brown third,
which is different than where a lot of people land.
Jamar Chase, Justin Jefferson,
who remind me of Saquon Barkley and Jonathan Taylor
in the sense that you could flip a coin on those guys.
Chase has a much better quarterback situation.
Jefferson has been largely quarterback proof
and Sam Darnold or JJ McCarthy might be enough
in an offense that kind of kept things moving last year
with like Jaren Hall and Nick Mullins under center.
Okay, so let's get to the Chase Jefferson conversation.
And actually this research is from your latest episode.
So you'll be familiar with it.
But I thought that this was really telling
because like, you could feel a certain way about chase and now you're thinking
about Jefferson post cousins, like, how could you even make it the Bay?
I mean, I personally liked chase better, but, um, I know most people would
tell me that I'm wrong and that's totally fine, but when you look at
Jefferson with cousins, he's wide receiver, number three, without cousins,
he was wide receiver, number eight.
Chase's burrow was wide receiver number seven without Burrow wide
receiver number 34.
That kind of ends the debate of who you're going to take.
If they're both, if the other guys are gone and those two options and you
want a receiver, I don't know how you take chase based on that.
Knowing that it's still a huge question mark about what's going to happen with
the quarterback, because it seems like what Jefferson is not going to matter.
That's fair.
Because if like Joe Burrow wasn't available, if you're concerned about Joe for
some reason, like you would fall towards Jefferson. But yeah, I mean, I would say this too, is that
like I do look at the circumstances of the games in which Jefferson was without Kirk Cousins, as
opposed to when Jamar Chase was without Joe Burrow. Like Cincinnati, like not to get too much into
Joe Burrow, like Cincinnati, like not to get too much into like, you know, environments and land and like nature and, and, and, and like being the local meteorologist, but like
Cincinnati playing in like cold weather games, grinded out games because their defense was
good. Like didn't need, did not need Jamar Chase to like have a bunch of vertical shots
down the field. Like he just, they totally changed their offense with Jake Browning.
Like Joe is not going to be confused for Josh Allen
as far as like strongest arm in the NFL,
but can certainly push the football down the field.
And the Bengals just didn't do that.
Once Jake Browning took over,
it was pretty much all like at the line of scrimmage
for Jamar Chase.
So he had some high volume games,
but they were not nearly as likely to see him go
for 150 yards because once he breaks much tackles, it probably wasn't happening.
But this kind of comes down to like, again, the idea of if we were in court,
and I told you, you had to be the Jefferson guy and I had to be the chase guy,
we'd both feel really good about our case.
Yeah, because I think there's a, I mean, you're seeing Burrow take this hit now too
with where he's being drafted, the names that I'll hear him about.
But then again, you got to get back and remember the
scoring and that's what will lead to some of the conversation about the QBs.
But let's, let's stay in the receivers here because what do you do with the
rookies because there's good, there's actually pretty solid history that we're
talking the elite, elite first rounders, the rookies, they're worth taking higher
than the more established guys that maybe are always wide receiver number two.
Or I shouldn't say wide receiver number two,
I shouldn't, maybe the number two option on a team
with all the skilled guys and be like,
well, at least this guy's been playing four or five years,
I know exactly what I'm getting as opposed to rookies,
but history tells us these top flight guys
deliver immediately.
Yeah, at some point you start to like,
you have to use process of elimination
when you're trying to find guys that aren't
like unimpeachable top seven or eight wide receivers,
but are like pretty close with a question mark or two and as I looked at Marvin
Harrison jr. the only question and I have his wide receiver nine which when
you look at the rest of my colleagues at ESPN I haven't tracked every single
person but he outside outside of ESPN but his average rank amongst my
colleagues is 13.3 so 4. slots, when you're talking about guys
within the top 15 at any position, that's a big gap.
So I have a wide receiver nine,
and like the only question mark
that I suppose you could ask for Marv
is can he get it done at the NFL level?
I mean, you watch tons of college football
and you have known this player
probably since his high school days.
Like, yes, the answer is yes.
And not just because of what we've seen,
but because of what you alluded to,
like rookie wide receivers coming out of the gates
and being stars is a totally normal thing.
We see it almost every single year.
Pukka Nakua obviously last year was the best.
Garrett Wilson a couple of seasons ago.
Marchase, Justin Jefferson, the list goes on and on and on.
It's a really good opportunity for Marvin Harrison Jr.
He is the clear cut number one wide out for a team
that I'm not gonna do a collar debate right now.
I think collar is good.
How's that?
Like I think he's good enough
that he can get the football that Marvin Harrison Jr.
a lot, like maybe between eight and 10 targets a game.
And they are gonna be, I think an improved team,
but I still think they could be fourth in their own division.
They might as well throw the football a lot.
So all those things make me feel really good
about Marvin Harrison Jr.
Weirdly having a high floor as a rookie which
Something that you don't normally say about rookies because of the fact that they have not at the NFL level
Have the chance to do it before you've got Drake London
Is part of this Atlanta?
Reinvention 2.0 here, but I mean the reality too is when you look at his target numbers are just not very high
He's not top 20 in targets.
Um, so where do you have London?
Yeah. He's, I think 13 for me now, 13, 14, which is right in that, you know, that's not that
far off from, so it's like Marvin Harrison, Jr.
For me, Devante Adams, Chris, uh, Mike Michael Pittman, Jr., Chris
Olave, and then Drake London.
Uh, he, yeah, it's, so he's a head of neighbors and a Dunze for you.
He is.
Yeah.
And those guys, and we can talk about neighbors, dunze just because of the depth there, right?
I mean, he could be their third best wide receiver in time.
He won't be, but with Ken and Alan and DJ Moore aboard,
it's not crazy to think he'd be number three
in the pecking order there.
But with Drake, he probably will feel
the quarterback impact the most, right?
Because beyond, even if Mariota and Desmond Ritter weren't good players,
like it's not that hard to turn around
and hand the football off to your running back, right?
It does change the way the teams play defense against you.
But for London, you know,
900 plus receiving yards last year and two touchdowns.
Him and Chris Godwin were the only two players
to reach at least 900 yards
and have two or fewer touchdowns. Eight overall pick, you is us is obviously he was the offensive player of the year in
the then Pac 12. And he got hurt on Halloween, which is what that's like maybe 65 70% of
the way through the college football regular season. That's how dominant of a player he
was during his final season there. So I still have like I continue to just like
trust that this guy coming out was or is who I thought he was
in Atlanta now. So I am banking on like way more volume from one
of the least past heavy offenses to probably one of the more past
heavy offenses if we assume the system is what Zach Robinson
their new OC coached under Sean Sean McBeywith in LA,
or at least very close to it.
So Drake London is, I mean, sometimes the chalky picks
are boring, but he is one of the chalkier breakout picks
in this year's, not just wide receiver group,
but really any player at any position.
See, these are good battling theories in that,
would you rather have Rome as the potential three three although just the idea of you saying that sentence
Because I love them so much. I'm like, that's that's not gonna be real
And who knows I mean Keeney could get hurt again
And then you have Caleb Williams a quarterback as opposed to what neighbors is dealing with even though he's gonna be the guy that you're
Looking at every single time down the field
I think another one of those it's not the the same theory, but the similar theory of like,
would you rather have the clear number one option or would you rather have a really strong
number two?
Because clearly Stefan Diggs, who if you look at it last year was ninth in scoring, I guess
the bloom is off the rows a bit with him.
He's being projected to go around 20.
And I don't know if that's because you think
Nico takes away from his scoring,
but again, it kind of gets back to
is Diggs less of an option now
because he's not the clear number one,
or should he still be, is 20 just too low for him,
considering, hey, there's actually somebody else
on the other side that's a real option here,
especially when you look at the depth of Houston in general.
I've become sort of the Diggs guy amongst ESPN rank rankers a lot of people have Nico Collins right ahead of him now
Which is not like some crazy thought the question I would have and I'm not asking this rhetorically
I'm asking it seriously is like Nico Collins at a hundred and twenty targets last year. Like do you think personally there's like
Factoring in the addition of Stefan digs and the health now of Tankdale who missed a good chunk of last season?
Like, do you expect Nico Collins to be...
Yeah, I mean, he missed almost, well, not half, but yeah.
I mean, Tank, I should have brought him up earlier, so maybe that is baked into it even
more that it's not just the other guy, it's Tank as well.
So go ahead.
Yeah, it seems like Nico, like probably, like I don't expect him to jump from like 120 to
like 150 targets this year.
Do you?
Um, no, I wouldn't think, I mean, I don't think they would want to be that predictable.
I mean, what's the whole point of bringing digs in?
Yeah.
So I feel that way too.
And so I think digs could, I think digs will lead the team in targets.
And I think the number will be less than where it has been in Buffalo, which is
like close to 160 to 170 per season over those four years, the number went up
obviously when they go to 17 games.
And it could be maybe like 130 for Diggs, 135,
which is still a big number,
but that's why you get a bit of a Diggs discount.
Is I would also say this is that
Nico Collins might have more games
where he leads the Texans in receiving yards.
Maybe he has the most games
with a hundred receiving yards amongst all Texans. I think Diggs though going to just chew up targets. I'm not trying to make this so
reductive, but if the Texans didn't feel like Diggs was still a very capable player who could
fill a specific role, they wouldn't have traded for him. It wasn't a huge package they traded for
him, but for a guy, for a team that is about to become really, really expensive, like to acquire Stephon Diggs did require some future planning and also tightening the screws on other spots
around the roster financially this year.
I thought it was a sign that they feel like he could be the guy that unlocks the next
level for an offense that was really good last year when we all thought, at least I
thought it was going to be really, really bad.
Yeah.
Look, I know he slowed down a bit.
I know he's not for everybody.
He always seems to be upset after a certain amount of time,
but he'll be what, 31 this season?
On a one year deal.
Like you think he's gonna go down there and pout?
Like he's gonna go down there, play with probably.
He might still might do that.
But he's playing with the quarterback that like,
not obviously not Mahomes, but like he's on the short list.
I would think CJ Stroud of the guys that like players
around the NFL now want to play with.
They just, it to be that guy
Looking at the scoring last year for quarterbacks top five and scoring Alan Hertz, Dak Lamar and Jordan Love
A couple different things that I'm looking at here. Give me your give me your top five right now for 24
So this is where I probably generated the most pushback, but it is Josh Allen. No debate there
Jalen hurts and now is like no debate right? there, Jalen Hurts. Anthony Richardson. And Allen's like no debate, right?
It's that far and away.
Okay, all right.
I mean, even in the last eight games
when both Stephon Diggs and Gabe Davis were up and down,
Josh was just so far.
I mean, he's just, he's literally, I mean, he's unbelievable.
He's so good in every way that you need him to be good
for fantasy purposes, highest scoring player in the league
each of the past two seasons.
Anthony Richardson, three,
Patrick Mahomes, four, Lamar Jackson five.
Richardson obviously the one that people
have been asking about a ton.
I'll be honest with you,
I'm super optimistic about the player.
Just as the raw skill set, I know you know it,
but as freaky as some of these guys like Josh
and Jalen are physically,
Richardson might be just a touch freakier, right?
Six foot five, 244 forty four pounds today four four four
Forty like that's ridiculous. He played twelve quarters last year twelve and he still had four rushing touchdowns
like the guy has all the right ingredients to be a
Fantasy superstar, even if he's not a perfect passer right out of the gates. Jalen hurts at 16
even if he's not a perfect passer right out of the gates. Jalen Hurts at 16, 16 passing touchdowns,
his first season as a starter,
which in today's NFL is nothing.
And he was still like one of the five best quarterbacks
in all of fantasy football.
It's not gonna require Anthony Richardson
to become the surgeon as a thrower overnight
to be a fantasy superstar.
And yeah, I'm optimistic on the players,
a leap of faith for sure.
But I just think that we, I mean, if I told you
I was quarterback three on Jalen Hurts a few years ago,
people would have said you're nuts.
So sometimes you gotta get ahead of the curve.
Okay, I think it's insane.
Fair, not the only person that's told me that.
And you're not like completely on your own with this one
because his average draft position is what,
around five or six?
Like I've heard other people say that,
and here's what I would offer up.
I understand that it's different with the scoring
and that the rushing touchdowns are really attractive.
But what I saw, and I went back and watched him this morning
is I see somebody that doesn't trust throwing at all
and he is so gifted and I don't think the teams
are entirely ready for it.
Three of the things that four touchdown runs are on draws that are.
Yeah, they are.
They love that quarterback run.
Yeah.
Right.
And at some point you'd think the other team goes, we've got to keep someone in.
And look, he still may win the one-on-one with a linebacker spying him anyway,
because he is that gifted and there's, there's no debate on it.
But if I'm sitting there again, we're just talking about fantasy,
but the names that you're putting him ahead of after playing 12 quarters,
just because of the rushing part, which again, I still think like the rushing element is really exciting,
but it scares me when it feels like it's your default comfort setting.
And he hasn't played enough for that, like is all of a sudden now he's going to feel like,
oh, I don't have to go to this.
I think he went to that stuff
because they were really worried about the limitations
of anything else they could try to do with him.
Yeah, it's a tricky one.
It's fair.
So when I'm ranking,
and there's like a little bit of a different methodology
in certain portions of the rankings,
like I feel good at the top of the board
about imagining the upside of the player, right? It's not, if I'm just looking for the floor of a guy, my one through 10 would feel differently.
When I get to maybe RB 15 to RB 25, I am much more mindful of the floor and not just the
upside because that position can get ugly in a hurry, as I was talking about earlier.
But for the quarterbacks, the idea here with Richardson is Lamar's unbelievable.
He's actually weirdly been the player that I've gotten the most pushback, like, hey, you should is Lamar's unbelievable. He's actually weirdly been the player
that I've gotten the most pushback,
like, hey, you should have Lamar ahead of Richardson.
Over the past, if you go look at the last three seasons
in which Lamar has been the NFL's MVP during one of them,
I look at like 20 points as an arbitrary,
high scoring week for a quarterback.
If you go back and look at the number of games
in which Lamar has scored at least 20 points,
and I had, of course I had this written down, I don't have the piece of paper that I had it written
down on, the number is a lot lower on a percentage basis than you might expect.
Lamar has been even by his own standards a little bit more up and down over the past
three years than you might realize as a fantasy quarterback.
So another reason why Josh Allen is so unique is because he's so darn consistent in that
regard.
But that's my idea with Richardson is like the possibility of every single week
because of the rushing upside to get the 20 points might be as high as any
quarterback not named Josh Allen or Jalen hurts.
I would argue it is as high as any quarterback, not named those two guys.
Okay.
Let's talk about this poor guy, my homes.
His average, what his average trap position is where seven or eight right now.
Uh, I think it's higher than that. I think it's up to like quarterback four. I have, I can pull
you tight. Yeah, it's, it's, okay. Mahomes names value. Like I'm surprised it's actually not higher
than that. Like for a while and value based drafting, like think about like running backs
in the real NFL draft going like top 10 Patrick Holmes actually about this.
This is ESPN's ADP and the I remind people all the time this
stuff is subject to change but right now it's number one
amongst quarterbacks 28.3 overall.
Oh, so he he's number one on the CBC there has not been one
there's not been one projection where I've seen him.
I think in anybody's top three.
He's not two things can be true at once.
Patrick Mahomes could be the best player on the planet
by a long shot right now.
Well, right.
And taking him ahead of Josh Allen is completely insane.
But yeah, I don't want to re-litigate the NFL top 100
as one of the players.
But yeah, Mahomes at going first ahead of Josh Allen,
like again, just-
Yeah, we're on the same page.
It's nuts.
Yeah.
I guess I felt like I was seeing his projections lower.
His ranking is lower than that.
Like he was a fairly frequent quarterback four,
quarterback five, maybe even quarterback six
for people that are CJ Stroud
and Anthony Richardson optimist.
It's insane though with the Holmes.
Is that a multi-year thing though?
Because I mean, the argument for Mahomes
is he just came off arguably his worst statistical season that he's ever had.
I mean, the QBR is the worst of his career.
The yardage is the second lowest.
His touchdowns are the second lowest.
And the second lowest to a season where,
I think he was at 27 touchdowns
and I still think he only had like five picks.
And last year he's double digit picks.
It feels like even though we are all on the same page
about who he is and how horrifying he is, and if you just pick the Chiefs in the next five years, I'm not going
to tell you you're wrong, but I'd say statistically in relation to what we're actually talking
about, this is the worst he's ever played.
Yeah, it really was. So he had three games last year, amazingly, with 20 plus fantasy
points in 2023, which tracks based off of how frustrating last year.
Can you look up 22?
Yeah. So going back in the starter, the seasons, he was a starter for a full-time basis.
Three last year, prior years, 12, 12, 13, yeah, six, which that was a year in which he missed three games.
He got hurt early against Denver on a Thursday night.
So only six, but not great, but still 12, 12, 13, six,
and 13 is the five years prior to last season.
So, not to make these players faceless and anonymous,
but you're betting on repeatable acts in fantasy football
and you're sort of like hedging against extremes.
And the extremes suggest that Patrick Mahomes having
the year he did last year is very unlikely. Like he's too good. And if it was like just a fantasy
football playoffs, a fantasy football game pertaining to the playoffs, like they looked
a little closer to what we think they'll be in the playoffs, which is part of the reason why they
won again. They've reloaded. It feels like there's a weird pressure taking off Kansas City this year because they just proved
they can do it without being this elite offense.
Very optimistic about my homes having just a ridiculous
season once again.
All right, we've got a bunch of stuff here
in only a few more minutes.
So let's try to run through it.
If I'm punting on a quarterback, if I'm going like,
look, I need a top guy and I want to try to get one
of those top five tight ends, give me some names.
Give me three names.
Yes, there's an awesome second tier quarterback.
Stack, who's going in the eighth round right now on ESPN,
who's been a top eight quarterback
for the past five seasons.
I would argue that Kyler Murray's in that category as well.
Again, not trying to sit here and debate Kyler's, like,
you know, overall rank in real life terms,
but the guy is an awesome fantasy quarterback
and is in a good system for him.
Brock Purdy, who maybe doesn't have quite as much upside every single week because he
doesn't really run, but Brock Purdy plays in an amazing system for fantasy points.
Jaden Daniels is a wild card.
He's the most interesting one.
I know, I don't have to tell you about the brilliance of Jaden Daniels last season.
Athletically, though, you just don't see players come around like that at that quarterback
spot all that often.
He is going super late, too.
His name might push him up the boards to be closer and closer to drafts, but you
could wait till like the 10th round and get Jaden Daniels, Jordan Love in that same category
too. So that's a lot of names. The point is there's nothing wrong with Josh Allen early,
Jalen Hertz early, but if you decide to wait, you're in a good spot.
Top five tight ends scoring last year, Laporta, Ingram, Kelsey, Hawkinson, and then Kittle.
I'm going to throw in at you.
And it wasn't like, I think he was still tentant
scoring, but Dalton Kincaid, he had only two, two
touchdowns, but he had 91 targets.
It's a root and it's again, it's a carryover of
loving him in college.
But I would think as you look at the depth chart of
receiver and a lot of hope for Keanu Coleman, I
would be surprised when Kinca Kate is not a more targeted player
and somebody that ends up in the end zone a lot more
to even creep up into that top five scoring.
Totally, one of the better breakout picks for this season
and while Keon Coleman obviously was taken
with the first pick of the second round,
a player I liked in college has some real obvious strengths
and some limitations,
which is why he went in the second round.
As much as there's excitement surrounding him, and I think more and more, or as I thought
more and more about the Bills' plans this offseason, like they traded Stefan Dix.
They willingly had to agree to make that move.
They allowed Gabe Davis, which I thought was a good business move to walk away, allowed
him to go to Jacksonville for three years, 39 million bucks.
I think the Bills are saying to themselves,
it's less about like which wide receiver
that we acquired steps up.
I think it's more about the belief
that Tulsa Kincaid can become a major dude.
And also Khalil Shakir, who, you know,
a guy that has had some bright moments for them,
I think will play a bigger role
than maybe he is currently forecasted to play maybe outside of Buffalo.
It seems like there's a lot of momentum and support for him
amongst the local beat, but Buffalo's answer might just be
that like we don't need a true number one wide receiver.
We just need a bunch of really solid players.
And maybe the best out of those solid players
is Dalton Kincaid.
Okay.
Give me a few Sleepers in general.
And then I have one last question.
I actually did.
I put together a full list of one from every single team.
I hear it's not a qualifier.
It's just like for if you're out there listening
and you're like, yeah,
we were thinking about doing something for our show
in the next few days here.
Sleepers are no longer names of players
that you've never heard of, right?
Like it's not guys that you have, wow.
Like I've never, you know, like that used to be a thing's not guys that you have, wow, like I've never,
you know, like that used to be a thing when I was growing up.
It'd be like, you know, the Saints third wide out
where you're like, wait, never heard of that guy.
Let me go check them out.
It's guys that you've heard of.
It's also just that they're being drafted really low.
Michael Wilson in Arizona is a name that I've got
that I think is gonna be a good player.
I think Dylan Lobby from University of New Hampshire
now with the Raiders is going to
play a bigger role than people real.
That's like a good deep cut right there.
You might be familiar with him.
He's obviously our roots from the same home state, but also a guy that I think is going
to have a legit role pretty soon.
Tyrone Tracy from the Giants also could have a legit role there with Devin Singletary as
the guy.
A name people probably already know, like Josh Downs from the Colts is kind of not being talked
about right now. And he was a real factor for them last season. He had like a stretch of seeing like
eight targets a game for a while. And it seems like he's the number two, at least in my estimation
there, which from optimistic about Anthony Richardson, it's not just because of the running,
it has to be about some of the players around him as well. So those would be some names. And then quarterback, again,
everybody knows every quarterback,
but Will Levis to me is the obvious,
like if this guy takes a step,
he's got so many of the ingredients
to be a fantasy football star,
even if he's not a perfect quarterback in real life.
Dylan Lobby get a doctorate there at UNH or what?
I think he was there for a long time, man.
I think he's 24 already.
Okay.
He was good though.
He is.
Fun player to watch.
Love his profile pic though.
That's right up there.
I mean, that's right up there with the field.
That's like a field eight special right there.
All neck.
All right, last thing.
Give me,
cause this is a, let me use an example first.
Things that you're paying attention to.
Okay, you're a couple of weeks in,
things are falling apart.
You've got the bad injury luck.
But like when I look at Herbert
and some of the rankings right now, it seems like everyone's scared off because of Harbaugh's
approach to football. Like, oh, he's going to run, he's going to run. And granted, the turnover
that we've seen in receiver as well, even though there was this time with the charge, I was just
so in love with all of their skilled guys. Even their fifth option in the passing game. I even
started to choke up a little bit even thinking about it, but it just didn't work out for him.
But I heard you talk about, I've heard others talk about this, like, this is actually being oversold now, because even if you're the most run happy offense in the NFL,
Baltimore last year ran it more than anybody else, just a hair under 50% of their plays.
Like nobody's going to come into this going, you know, Nebraska in the nineties on this in
today's NFL, I mean, Cincinnati barely runs the football Kansas city.
They're like, you know, 40% running the football, but even last year, and that's
because of Lamar that you have Baltimore.
It just basically every other play as a rushing play and maybe they creep up.
But I feel like it's, I know that it's, it's, it's more than that.
And the draft pick not working out all this kind of up, but I feel like it's, I know that it's more than that, and the draft pick not working out,
all this kind of stuff,
but that's something I would look at
where I'm gonna watch the game and go,
maybe Herbert is completely overlooked here
because he's still, I think, a top five talent in the position.
Give me something that you're thinking about.
Yeah, so he's like, he just has nuclear ability,
that it's like, wow, if Justin Herbert
just plays off the charts, like, nobody was, and the narrative has changed now,
but nobody was sitting here last year,
like C.J. Stroud is loaded with weapons around him, right?
Like prior to last season,
Nico Collins had never had 500 yards in a season,
much less what he did during the 2023 year.
So I do think it's important for us to remember
that like a lot of times,
like a freak quarterback can overcome the situation around him. That'd be a good example.
I would say right now, like something that I am monitoring is the backs that I don't
feel crazy inspired about as the starter who are more the starter by default than they
are. And I think like by ability, and what, if any, indicators
we're getting about the players right behind them.
So I'll give you a few examples.
Zamir White in Las Vegas, I think he's a fine player.
I don't think he's a clear-cut, indisputable,
has to be the number one guy for the Raiders
for the full season.
I mentioned Zach Moss earlier for the Bengals.
Could Chase Brown, who I liked coming into the draft
last year out of Illinois
and ended up dropping to the sixth round. Like that's, I
think, a capable enough back backup where you're like, all
right, hey, so and the analogy that I'll draw to last year was
Alexander Madison, who everybody was like, yeah, he's the guy
now, right? Like Minnesota like kept him. By the way, I am
included myself in this in this conversation. They let Dalvin Cook walk and I kept being like,
yeah, you know, they gave him real money. And then it was like,
wait, they gave him two years and 7 million bucks. Like, I
mean, more than nothing, right? But like, two years, $7 million
is not like enough. Like they're not they're not putting them on
scholarship at that level, right? Like, they're not required
to make a man the entire season and he ended up having a very
mediocre year,
especially relative to expectations.
So I'm keeping my eyes on the guys
that I'm not totally sold.
Again, in all things being equal world
would be starting running backs
and how the backups are either looking,
or like if there's at least a clear cut number two,
if it's like he got three guys behind him,
I'm a little bit less interested.
That is field Yates.
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And you guys, you guys go five days a week.
Five days a week, man.
A lot of content, a lot of content.
A lot of content, big numbers.
I remember looking at the charts
and looking at the numbers in the fall.
I'd be like, damn it, they're smoking me.
Come on, you're an institution.
You're an institution.
You don't have to worry about the numbers.
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Team USA hat Kyle.
Sarudy, I gotta tell you, your hat,
if you look at it wrong.
I know, I've had multiple people be like,
what's going on with this?
It's the number one, it's the number one. It also is though, your hat, if you look at it wrong. I know, I've had multiple people be like, what's going on with this? It's the number one, it's the number one.
It also is though, a USA hat.
So Kyle and I both out here being super patriotic,
what's up?
Good stuff.
I was passing through LIDS this weekend
and I was just like, look at that.
It was like $28, there was like some sort of a discount
and grabbed that right away.
Great hat, it's white. I'm a little nervous.
I would have paid $58 for that.
Right.
That's a good one.
That's what I thought.
Yeah.
I went into a LIDS like a couple of months ago, cause I, I like just walked
by, I was like, man, LIDS are still around the mall. This is incredible.
And there was like that fitted Mariners, like Navy blue hat with like the teal
brim and I was like, man, am I going to drop 40 bucks on this right now?
Like maybe my wife went to me and was like yeah are you gonna wear it like probably like
you know but I left at the store but I really wanted to get it and I was like I
was surprised lids was still a thing I didn't know they were still in business
shout out the lid. This was actually I was in a lids locker room I guess they're
expanding to where like they have like jerseys and you know a lot of lids will
have like something I guess but like this was more less hat focused and more
other stuff.
So yeah, I spent quite a bit of time
checking that clearance rack.
Yeah, I would say yes on the Mariners thing
because the right 5950 fit is incredible.
I'm a big fan of it, but I'll tell you
when you're traveling and you have a hat from St. Louis on
and then the sheer disappointment that is met
when it's like, are you from St. Louis?
You'll be like, no. Now the Blue Jays one, I had an excuse because of Bushman. So I had the
Blue Jays gear and it was kind of my post Mookie Betts boycott. And then I just started
getting a little more aggressive with the different hats because I always liked that
red Cardinals hat. But then I always liked the Pittsburgh one.
Your pirate's guy I was going to say. Yeah.
Yeah. And now I'm like,
you know, I was like, Oh, Paul skeins. It's like, no, it isn't.
She just liked the hat, but I don't want to have to explain.
He's a big Libby Dunne guy. We all know that. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
That's actually because of her.
I should just start saying that like, I really like LSU and I,
are you familiar with gymnastics?
All right, so let's get to a couple here.
Wait, this is got me thinking though.
We should, we should do the,
because we've been thinking about like stupid content ideas
for the YouTube channel.
We should just do like the tiers list of baseball hats.
We should just do that.
That'd be fun.
Cause I would argue the Giants are up there.
San Francisco's hats incredible.
Cardinals hat is incredible.
Pirates hat is incredible.
You know what? Look, the Yankees is incredible. Pirates hat is incredible. You know what?
Look, the Yankees is a, is a one of one.
So I can say it, even though it, it just caused
inner rage whenever I would see it at the wrong place.
Some guys showing up to whiskey's on Boylston.
It's like in the late nineties, wearing a Yankees hat.
You're like, fuck you doing, man.
Um, whiskey's where your night went to die.
When you lived in Boston, um, but it was, it was a local spot for, for our boys on
Hereford.
So yeah.
Um, I think the Yankees had is, is a, you know what, let's just save it.
Let's just say, it's good content here.
That's a really good idea.
I mean, it's not the most, I basically people just tearing shit to death
now for about five, 10 years, right?
Yeah, let's get in on it for the crash.
We should tear the tears, it's what we really should do.
Sandoz QB tier would be the number one,
it'd be in its own tier, it's Patrick Mahomes.
Field Yates fantasy tiers obviously would be
up there as well.
Yeah, but it wouldn't be Sandoz.
No, I'm saying Field Yates's it's probably a good what was because there's
a tear a tear B right so BA yeah yeah brock purdy what's s tier again isn't
that really the god here yeah that's the yeah yeah yeah because when I had those
two 14 year olds staying with me for two weeks, everything was fucking S tier and then mid and we'd just be walking down the
street and he'd be like, and BC they would just point to dudes to be like,
NPC. Like, what are you guys doing?
Sounds like a great time.
Have you heard of that? We're getting way off on a tangent here, but there's some,
there's a lot of really stupid, there's a lot of really stupid gen Z stuff out there, but have you ever
heard of the thing called the coin boys?
Yeah.
Literally these guys that they just, that's an old thing.
How is it?
I don't know.
I just saw a bunch of like high school kids that were just flipping
coins for every decision in their life.
I expected to be completely blind on this.
How do I know the first time I read about the coin boys, I
wanted to have them on the pod. I mean, it was unbelievable.
Wait, so you know about the coin boys, Kyle? I think this is,
yeah, no, I heard about this like it probably at least a year or two ago.
Yeah. So it's not, it's not brand new, but yeah,
it kind of unlocks up in my brain there. Uh, I do remember hearing about it.
It could have just been repurposed. I mean, that's,
if I see another fucking post on
Twitter about how to eat in pomegranate, you know,
like, no, did you know this? Like, Jesus Christ,
it's like three foreign people, they're not
chicks. They keep posting the same shit over and
over and over again. If I have to see that guy's
dick again on the pole vault, it's like, I got
it. Yeah, that's heavy rotation. You know, like,
and then somebody bounces out.
I saw it on FanDuel today.
FanDuel's Twitter did it today.
Yeah, FanDuel's aggressive.
Everyone wants a piece.
FanDuel is an aggressive posting corporation
and a great partner.
Yes.
They're just, you know, they're less afraid
than everybody else.
My new favorite thing may be this on X,
earnest replies, just earnest replies
of somebody that felt the need to fucking reply.
And it also, I think, speaks to how lonely everybody is,
most people, or I should just say a lot.
Maybe not, I shouldn't say everybody,
but there was a post of,
and I've already seen the post a hundred fucking times
in the last couple of years,
but it's this hotel room
where it's like open, it's like glass on most of it.
So it's not like a standard hotel room.
It looks like it's cut into the Alps
and then the whole front is just window and it's gorgeous.
And then the post has all of this snow going past it, right?
But the candles are lit, there's a fireplace,
the bed is about as comforting as you can imagine.
I don't know if there's a bear rug in there, who knows?
It's got fucking everything you could possibly want.
I'm swearing a lot, I'm sorry.
And someone posts, could you live here?
Now the person who posted does not care
whether or not you could live there.
They just want people to answer.
Right.
And someone sees it and is motivated to go, could I?
And I just go, I'm going to look, I'm going to look.
And a guy was like, I don't know.
I'd have to do a lot of shoveling.
Where's the nearest grocery store?
What's the walk score like?
Imagine that being your dad or your boyfriend.
Are any of those people real though?
I don't know what's real and what's not.
I think it was.
Well, I think a lot of it isn't real,
so you're right about that.
But I would then went and looked at the profile
and I think it was just a regular guy.
Like imagine being like,
hey, can you help us move some of the garbage bins around? Hold on.
I have to post this about the snowy hotel room.
I got asked a hypothetical question that I can't refuse.
So I may just start retweeting earnest responses to all engagement.
Or maybe I'll just start answering all of them earnestly.
It would be better if you became an earnest answerer.
That would be the best version of this. I did it on Instagram a week ago.
There was a guy, apparently there's this page about sticks and this guy's
on the stick page, right?
He reviews sticks.
Yeah.
And he picked up a stick on a path in the woods and he like held it three
different ways and was like, you know, you could do this with it, do this with it.
And I couldn't help myself.
I just posted a lot of uses. And I couldn't help myself.
I just posted a lot of uses.
Can I say that just maybe think of something else.
The post that you had, first off, if you did that,
people are already super confused about your socials.
I feel like no one ever knows if it's real or not real.
And I always say it's not real really at all,
especially on Instagram.
But you had my mom super confused about that athlete post
with the guy holding the cigarette at the bull fight. She's like, she had no idea. She had called me.
She's like, what is this post from Ryan? And I was like, it's just a joke, mom.
I don't, I don't even know how to start explaining this to you. Like it doesn't,
it doesn't matter. And then like three hours later, it's like Angela's Rudy.
Like, like, of course you don't even get it, but you liked it.
I liked it. She thought about it for three hours and then she was, she was in.
My fear was I didn't want to actually post live footage from a bullfight
because I imagined then I would, that has to be against the walls.
Right.
Um, maybe there's moments of the bullfight that you could post, but look,
the bullfight recap will be in the Spain travel pod, but it is, it's gruesome.
But I went, I experienced it for you so you don't have to.
But I am glad I went, if that makes any sense.
I'm kind of conflicted on how I felt about the whole thing.
All right, let's, speaking of things being worked on here,
this is one of the most aggressive titles ever.
So let's just do it.
Should I let a weird gym bro perform my vasectomy?
Stats, 37 years old, 6'2", 180, no impressive gym stats,
more on that later, pro comp, Ronnie James,
I hustle and work hard and D, shoot a lot of threes,
but rarely make them in a perpetual slump.
37 years old, just had my third child,
so I'm looking to finally get snipped,
should be pretty straightforward,
but I'm in a little bit of a dilemma.
Some background, I have an HMO medical plan,
which limits the doctors I can see.
I've been assigned to a specific urology group
and need to schedule a consultation with them.
The consulting doctor will also perform the vasectomy.
I work regular hours as a dentist,
so I don't have much time off,
but I do have every other Friday off
is when I usually schedule all my appointments.
When I call to schedule my consultation,
I found out the only doctor available on Fridays
is Dr. Jimbrow, not his real name.
I've been going to a local CrossFit gym now
for over 10 years, and Dr. Jimbrow is a regular there
with me in the mornings.
I don't have impressive gym stats to share.
I usually do CrossFit two, three times a week
just to stay fit and maintain my health.
I never push myself too hard and don't put in any work
outside of the gym, i.e. diet, due to having three kids in four and a half years
and rarely getting a good night's sleep.
Dr. Jim Brough, on the other hand,
is one of the strongest and most intense guys in the gym.
He deadlifts so much the bar bands,
the issues we have very awkward and cold relationship.
I'm friendly with almost everyone at the gym,
except for him.
We never speak or even say hi.
After so many years, it becomes so awkward
that we generally avoid eye contact.
See, that's hilarious is that it's just built and built
for no other reason than just no reason.
You think it's awkward now.
Yeah, yeah, right.
One recent example, his wife was also friendly
and had kids around the same time as us,
saw me after my third child was born.
She was genuinely excited and motioned for Dr. Jimbrough
to come over and congratulate me.
He walked by grunted, yeah, I know,
and walked away without even looking at me.
It's that sort of thing.
Most of us at the gym ask about each other's families and careers, but he has no interest in me.
I see.
It's not a big deal during workouts since there are usually 15 to 30 people there.
Is there anything?
I mean, this guy seems pretty straightforward.
Maybe he's just mad that you're, you've got this nice frame at six, two,
and you only weigh 180. Maybe that maybe he's just disappointed in you. Maybe he's just mad that you're, you've got this nice frame at six, two, and you only weigh 180. Maybe that maybe he's just disappointed in you, but I'm not.
I mean, you get a great career.
You got three kids by 37.
You get every other Friday off and you're still doing CrossFit.
So, you know how we feel, you know, if you're showing up, you can't be judged.
Um, the problem is he's the only doctor I can see for the rest of the year.
Well, I'm not weird about the vas problem is he's the only doctor I can see
for the rest of the year.
Well, I'm not weird about the vasectomy thing,
being a dentist, I get it.
Little different.
Yeah, I think in the medical profession,
all of them in general are just so desensitized
to the stuff that us normies would be weirded out by.
So I can say it's a little different,
but I actually should just not say that and agree with the dentist. I get it. So I can say it's a little different, but I actually should just not say that and agree with the
dentist. Like I get it.
Although if our chiropractor as opposed to proctologist,
and I was a member of the golf course, like, yeah,
I think it would be a little different, but whatever.
I still feel uncomfortable interacting with him any further.
Should I bite the bullet and schedule with him for
convenience or should I take
time off work and reschedule my patients to see a different urologist?
For what it's worth,
I've heard from the medical community that he's one of the best and you'll be up
and running after a few days without any problems.
I've heard some bad experiences during the recovery,
some friends who want to avoid this if possible. Obviously. Other relevant info.
There's never been any sexual chemistry between
his wife and me. She's friendly with everyone. Are you better looking though
maybe? He's 5'9 in balding. Come on man. I have a full head of hair. No way. He's
not the warmest person to others in the class except for a few guys he
consistently works out with who I'm also friendly with. I can't think of any significant incidents between us. Long email, well worth it, incredibly
thorough by the way because then the notes at the end he gave us he gamins us he gave us news and
notes diamond notes at the end some rapid fire, Derek Barton hope. So uh. I don't know that I have a quick answer. I think the easiest one is how can you not like schedule it a couple of months from now on a Wednesday if you don't want to use this guy? Yeah.
Well, I mean, sure. I get your point. The March madness vasectomy package from Vegas, but you're a dentist and I know it's impossible to get appointments and all that kind of stuff, but like you can't, you can't move around a Wednesday,
a couple of months from now to avoid this guy.
Cause clearly you don't want him to do it.
However, what if, what if this guy's hole vault on the ultimate
icebreaker, doesn't it seem like, like you're talking about, Oh man,
I just can't get anything more than a grunt and passing from this guy.
This might be the ultimate icebreaker.
It could.
I think you would think if someone performs a vasectomy on you and you're at the CrossFit place three times a week at the same time, this might be the ultimate icebreaker. It could. I think you would think if someone
with performance of a septum on you
and you're at the CrossFit place three times a week
at the same time, that should be, as you said,
the icebreaker or a new chance to bond.
However, if you're 6'2", full head of hair,
he's 5'9", he's balding,
and you're looking like the Italian pole vaulter.
Was that guy Italian, Cerutti?
French, I think.
Was he French?
Yeah, I think he was French. Okay.
Whatever on there, but yeah.
Yeah.
Well, next time.
What if I'm loose on?
Yeah.
I mean, what if he might hate this guy even more?
Right.
That's true.
There's a big, yeah.
See, it sounds like our guys doing all the comparing here.
He doesn't know what's inside this man's head.
He's like, almost like maybe he's outwardlyly inwardly jealous of me because he's bald and short
and I'm luscious and tall. Like, I mean, it's 10 years, 10 years they've been at this.
Yeah. Maybe he's just not a friendly guy. Maybe he's just got like the, the, the persona
of like a wood shop teacher. I mean, whatever those guys, those guys have friends too. Maybe
he's just a little, you know, he's a little bristly.
That's okay.
I don't know.
I'd say I wouldn't overthink this, but again, I'm not.
I'm not in love.
Well, it's too late for that.
Yeah, he's definitely over thinking.
What would you do?
Sarutti, go, what would you do?
Well, just to circle back, I mean, him,
when you had your third kid and his wife
was basically begging him to just say,
hey, congrats, and he just was a total asshole about it.
Like something is, it's not just nothing.
Something's amiss.
I would, I am notorious for, I avoid all awkward interactions
and I would just reschedule with somebody else.
I don't care what the time is.
Be careful in your sexual endeavors until the time being
through there.
And I would just, even it was like a year later,
I would just avoid this guy like to play.
No doubt about it.
HMOs, man, that's why I'm on I would just avoid this guy like to play, no doubt about it. HMOs man.
That's why I'm on a PPO.
Don't want to, don't want to be in this situation.
I'll tell you what would be great.
It will be a blessing is a fourth kid who turns out to be awesome.
And he's your favorite kid.
And it's like, had I gotten along with the guy from the gym,
fad here would have never happened.
He's my ticket. He's my ticket.
He's my ticket.
Guys on tour.
Six, four, full head of hair.
Fucking unlimited possibilities for our fourth kid.
I think we all kind of agree, there's no flexibility.
I know the dentist to have a tough, tough schedule and all this kind of stuff.
But if he's the best, I don't know, maybe look, maybe the best part of
this is that you don't care.
Maybe that's the win is you go, all right, you know what?
You want to be a Dick for a decade straight for whatever reason where I've
done nothing, I believe our email here.
Okay.
I've done nothing to provoke this cold, but I'm telling you guys can be weird.
There was a guy, it was Tom Angle at ESPN.
All right.
Do you remember him?
So Rudy, he worked on college game day.
He was like this legendary pitcher in high school, like legendary.
Okay.
And he worked, um, on the game day crowd and one time he and I like walked
past each other and I don't even know if that it was a size up. It was probably more on my deal.
And he kind of looked at me and then put his head down.
And then I was like, all right.
And then the next few encounters we had, no one said anything to the other guy.
So I remember going to Stanford Steve.
I was like, fuck that guy.
He was like, dude, Tom, he's like, he's great.
I was like, he's great.
Like, he didn't like me. I'm like, it's just classic like radio TV, second, Tom, he's like, he's great. I was like, he's great. Like, he didn't like me.
I'm like, it's just classic, like radio, TV, second class citizen, all the stuff.
Why are those guys here?
They grabbing pretzels, Desmond Howard's pissed, Rosillo's looking for a pen.
Like, you know, what's, what's the point?
And then randomly after a few years of this, I, I don't know how it happened.
It could have been a beer or two
where we were both at the same thing. Cause we traveled with TV all of those years where
he just started talking and I think he was kind of shy maybe. And I took, and it just,
it turned into something where he was probably thinking like, Oh, Rossello's a dick. Like
he's not going to say hi to me. And it, it started from nothing.
It, there was nothing that could even happen.
And he turned out to be one of my favorite guys that worked on, on stuff.
It'd be, yeah.
Yeah.
I would say though, Ryan, again, saying this with love, your neutral
interaction sometimes can be hostile and like they can come off in the wrong
way. So yeah you being neutral like I could see that happening because that
used to happen to me in college sometimes. You were like you know you
wouldn't be friends with somebody you'd see them walking in the you know in the
quad or they'd have a couple class with them you don't actually know them but
you just kind of judge them based on like the limited information that you
have. That happened a lot and then you meet them and you're like yeah I
think this guy was a tool he's actually awesome like he's great at beer pong like a tool? He's actually awesome. Like he's great at beer pong. Like he's awesome. Good partner.
What's up? But he's good at beer. Yeah. I mean,
specifically, I just know that there's like, you're kind of cold at the start,
even though you don't mean to be,
you're just kind of doing the Rossello like Harto thing.
And I think that intimidates and probably puts people off if it's not like a
friendly first encounter.
Terrified a couple of years ago, Terrified, this guy, right?
There you go.
You were, Kyle?
Yeah.
You're a little bristly too.
I mean, you know, you've got that shop teacher vibe too
when you come in there and you're like,
all right, let's just fucking get in and get out.
Like, I don't know.
Where's my fucking shoes?
I know.
Hey, the shoes being stolen.
All right, all right.
Well, it was a bad time for me at the ringer.
Sounds like liquid swords here.
Uh, it was a bad time for me at the ringer.
There were, there were cells
and magically, magically when, when there were, there were certain members against
me, a pair of $700 new balances that were sent to me
from StockX just disappeared.
Cause we both know, we both know what happened is the wrong person saw my name
on a box, opened it and went, fuck that guy.
Yeah, maybe they don't even know you.
Or Kyle's been wearing them for four years.
Are you 12?
What size are you?
I am a 12.
Oh fuck, man. I could have got What size are you? I am a 12. Oh, fuck man.
I could have got away with that.
Uh-oh.
Maybe because they were there.
I've never owned a pair of new balances or stole a pair of new balances.
I remember asking Liz.
I was like, Liz, the delivery show.
She's like, yeah, it's right here.
It's like, great.
She's like, your name's on it.
I'll put it over there.
It's that's cool.
Yeah.
It was a bad time for the empire.
Okay.
Another one. Uncomfortable was the word. Yeah, that was a bad time for the empire. Okay. Uh, another one. Uncomfortable was the word.
Yeah. But Kyle, I even, I even sent Kyle a text from Spain, just telling him I missed him.
Hell yeah. Bonded. That was a true bond right there.
Yeah. I was like, let me bond with Kyle real quick here. I'm thinking about him. Draft beers.
All right. 24 years old. Am I TikTok famous? 6'2", 215, gym stats, max bench 305, max squat 365,
can run under a seven minute mile if I want it,
I don't want to.
Is under a seven minute mile a huge brag?
I always thought it was under six, yeah.
Well, yeah, I think it is.
I don't think under, I don't.
In gym class, people are gonna be talking about it,
I think. Yeah.
He's 24, he's 215.
Oh, that's a good time. I would tell you about it if I about it I think. Yeah. He's 24, he's 215. Oh that's a good time.
I would tell you about it if I did it this weekend. Yeah but I don't think you'd do it.
Yeah I wouldn't. I don't want to just like this guy. I'm gonna hold firm here I don't think under
seven is maybe look if he's just rounding out the stats the way other people tell us
yeah so let me let me retract what I don't think it's a brag but I don't but I I don't know that
he's bragging.
I think he's just giving us the full scope of who he is.
So let's keep it there, all right?
Okay.
I can't wait to get emails from you.
Oh, you don't think, let's see you.
For the record, I think sub seven's a good time.
All right, basketball comp.
If Janis had a Steve Nash body type, that's really good.
Because Nash trying to play like Yanis.
I don't know.
I reached out because I built up a following
about 80,000 on TikTok.
That's pretty good, right?
Yeah, I guess sounds it.
All right.
Where I create NBA and WNBA content
focused on low lights with voiceovers.
Uh-oh.
I'm at a bit of a crossroads though,
and I'm not sure how to really capitalize on this audience.
TikTok's algorithm doesn't always ensure
that your followers see your content.
It would make it tricky
to leverage a large following effectively.
Some videos do really well,
and some videos don't perform at all.
Financially, I've had some success.
Some months I've earned an extra 5,000,
while others bring in just a couple hundred bucks.
I also had a sponsorship for a few months during the NBA season that contributed another
grand per month. Currently I have a full-time job and treat this as a fun side project. I'm curious
if there's a way to take things to the next level, become TikTok famous, or will this always just be
a side gig? I don't know anything about any of that stuff. I got banned from TikTok after one post
about, I think it was Matt Liner explaining something
about Caleb Williams.
I posted it and I've been banned for life
and I can never get back on.
Now you reposted your own show's video one time,
the first time and they banned you.
The only post, the only post I ever did.
Wow.
That's an amazing, that's just another,
just another oscill stat in there.
You're like, what happened?
I forgot.
I was copyright infringement lifetime ban.
On yourself.
Posting on my own.
Literally you are in the video.
It's you in the video and they banned you.
Oh man, thanks.
That were the rule.
Is that what?
Yeah, yeah.
So, I mean, the fact that he's making a few,
here's what I would say.
The reason I said, uh-oh,
if you're just trashing WNBA stuff,
there's a ceiling probably on where you can go with this.
Yeah.
You know, you okay?
Maybe sounds about right.
Right.
And you know, maybe you got a Daryl Armstrong turnover
in there, cool. But like, what are we talking here?
Like, how even is it?
And I don't know.
It's just like a loop of Angel Reese missing layups
and like, you're not gonna be.
Getting offensive rebounds through.
Yeah, that's true, you're right, you're right.
I love that with some of my, I'm telling you right now all Angel Reese content is mostly terrible when Wemby missed a couple shots and then that was actually picking up traction.
It'd be like, oh, but you guys crash or crush Angel Reese for doing this. You know, like, okay, that's the same.
Good argument.
I'm mad I even brought it up.
Yeah. Yeah.
I'm mad I even brought it up. Yeah.
Yeah.
It's just every time I see like,
and it's not anything that has like nothing to do with her.
It's just the arguments for her where I'll go.
Oh yeah, okay, got me.
Anyway, did we answer that without,
Kyle, help us out here, your management.
Well, I refuse TikTok, I outright refused it.
I was really kind of salivating at the idea of like Twitter now X burning down.
I'd be like, all right, that's one less. I'm off Facebook. Basically Instagram and Twitter.
I was really hoping that they would, the world would take it out of my hands and I'd be down to one.
And then maybe I could flush that one day and just go get a flip phone or something.
But like, I really don't know how TikTok is different than Instagram or anything like that.
So all I know is Instagram,
I guess you can like partner with people.
Like maybe that like our guy Cartooner Radio,
they like are guys, people.
I don't know, I didn't wanna do that wrong,
but like they sort of,
like you can collaborate with people.
Maybe TikTok's the same way.
I mean, that's how podcasts work, right?
You get a guest and now those people know your stuff
and vice versa.
So other than that, I don't really have any advice.
I'm trying to stay out of the new social media game.
I kind of feel like, and I'm with you Kyle,
like I'm not a TikTok guy.
We do have a show, a Priscilla show, TikTok
that I think has done well.
It's good content on there going follow.
It just can't, it's not Ryan, because he's banned, but it's a show account and that I think is done well. It's good content on there going follow. It just can't, it's not Ryan because he's banned,
but ironic show account and that's real.
And we, the guy Alex,
who is our social guy who puts a lot of these videos together,
we've had these conversations and it's just like,
it kind of blows our mind what works and what doesn't.
Because I'll think there's like this awesome video and it's just
like 5,000 views and there's like one stupid one that I like.
I don't know, it's kind of a throwaway and it gets like,
you know, half a million views. And it's so there's like one stupid one that I'm like I don't know it's kind of a throwaway and it gets like you know half a million views and it's so I there's not really any rhyme or reason
I feel like to these just kind of is at the whim of you know you just put it into ether and whoever
likes it likes it I will say it does feel like on TikTok I could be wrong on this but I think
it's hard to become Instagram Instagram I'm sorry TikTok famous if you're not like front-facing if
you are not like part of the content,
no one's gonna know who you are.
There's always gonna be a ceiling to what you're doing.
So I don't know that you could really become TikTok famous
unless you are also kind of in the videos.
And maybe you're doing the comedy thing
and you don't have to see your face, that's fine,
people just know your voice.
But I do kind of feel like,
that's why the selfie style videos,
things always work so well,
because that's what people like, that's what resonates. So I don't know set that's why the selfie style videos things always work so well because that's just that's what people
Like that's what resonates. So I don't know that's a tip from a guy who kind of knows tick-tock, but not really
That was actually a good answer. I
Don't even know
Yeah sounded good. Did you review sticks?
Yeah, have sticks broken into the the ticktock space yet or I mean that that's awesome
I mean surroudi if you're not on the stick account, that's good.
I know.
I should definitely get on it.
You should get on it.
Who doesn't, who doesn't, everyone's it's like, it's like movie previews.
Like when it's over, everyone will have an opinion on whether or not
that looks good or not.
And the same with sticks.
Okay.
Good work guys.
We're fresh today.
I like it.
I like it a lot.
All right.
Thank you to Wargon. Thank you to Saruti. Thanks to Kyle, Ron,
and Rosilla Podcast. Check out our YouTube page and subscribe as well.
Happy birthday to Rosilla too, by the way. What's up?
Oh, that's right.
Oh, shit. Really? God damn it.
Sorry.
Yep. In classic Ron fashion, we moved the date because we're recording this obviously on a
Monday, not a Tuesday, our usual Tuesday. I was like, hey, if you could do Tuesday or Monday,
is that cool? I know it's your birthday. You're like,
yeah, I don't care. Not doing anything. I think your thing was
actually, I prefer that. So well, well, insight into
Riscilla there. I actually forgot which day it was again,
but the other times I could, but it's not like I forgot my
birthday. I just kept thinking it was a different day. I don't,
I know what date I was born. Um, but yeah, when you don't have kids, you know, yeah, no, that's good.
That's, that's, you start forgetting that one.
Yeah. I forget how old I am all the time.
1127. Yeah. Like, no, you weren't born in November. What's wrong with you?
No. Uh, thank you. Thank you so much. Appreciate it guys. You give me anything.
Yeah, exactly.
New balance gets hard.
Yeah, get you nothing.
I don't want anything except your support
and continued hard work.
All right, I already said all this stuff,
so goodbye, thank you. and
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