The Ryen Russillo Podcast - Does Patience Matter With First-Round QBs? Daniel Jeremiah on the Best CFB QB/Draft Prospects. Plus Rick Mitarotonda of Goose!

Episode Date: August 29, 2024

Russillo starts the show with a look back at QBs drafted in the first round and how their careers played out (0:40). Then, Daniel Jeremiah joins the show to break down the best college quarterbacks, share the Week 1 college games he’s most excited for, and reveal the NFL rookies he thinks are the most exciting (15:00). Next, Russillo is joined by Rick Mitarotonda of Goose to discuss his inspirations and what goes into making a song (51:51). Plus, the Alliance returns and Life Advice with Kyle and Ceruti (89:32)! Is it weird to go to a Pistons-Nets game on my honeymoon? Check us out on YouTube for exclusive clips, live streams, and more at https://www.youtube.com/@RyenRussilloPodcast The Ringer is committed to responsible gaming. Please visit www.rg-help.com to learn more about the resources and helplines available. Host: Ryen Russillo Guests: Daniel Jeremiah and Rick Mitarotonda Producers: Steve Ceruti, Kyle Crichton, and Mike Wargon Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Awesome show for you today. I'm going to talk about the first round quarterbacks and how quickly they started. How many starts for these guys going back a bunch of drafts. Looking ahead to this season, we'll talk with Daniel Jeremiah about that. Also look at this upcoming college quarterback class and some other stuff that's fun about the position a special bonus for the music fans out there Rick from goose hangs out with us For over 30 minutes the history of the band where he's at and moving forward We've got life advice and the Alliance is four wide now war gone in the mix. Enjoy The Drake may announcement for the day is what I mean, is it that big of a deal? No, go be percent's gonna start week one for the day is what? I mean, is it that big of a deal?

No, Chico B. Percett's gonna start week one for the New England Patriots. May was probably, if you had to flip a coin on guys that you feel are totally ready or need a little bit more time, May's in the needs a little bit more time category. I think we could all agree on that. But what we should all agree on based on history,

which I'm gonna share with you here very shortly, is that all of these guys play, okay? The majority of them play and they play pretty quickly and more often than not, they play more of the rookie season. And I don't know if it's the human nature element of this or the times in the past where I'd look at the first round quarterback and see where he was picked. And then it's like, oh, they sat him out week one and two, or they sat him out the first four weeks, but then he was ready week five and maybe there is value

sitting around watching the bullets fly for real on a live NFL Sunday, being on the sideline and then getting in there and the practice reps and all that kind of stuff. I can understand the value and all that. But this idea of patience, which I think most of you know, you don't need me to tell you, it does not exist. And yet we'll look at my homes every now and then as this outlier that proves that patience leads to success So I want to run through a bunch of previous seasons first round draft picks This is gonna be the bus thing all over again, although we'd love to update that at least annually So everybody that was drafted the first round at quarterback We're gonna go 23 through 17 and look at how many games these guys actually started and we'll look at some of these

Circumstances of why that happened. So Bryce Young last year, 16 to 17 starts, didn't play week three because of his ankles. CJ Stroud started 15 games last year. Case Keenum started 14 and 15. Stroud was in concussion protocol. Anthony Richardson was the week one starter for the Colts, played four games and then week five shoulder injury out for the season. 22, the only first round quarterback, Kenny Pickett. 12 starts as a rookie, didn't start until week five. So that's the month off approach that you have seen from other people. He replaced Trebesky, AKA Mr. Biscuit,

if you wanted to know if I was on pro football reference all morning. 21, how about this class? The all time warning class for first round quarterbacks. Trevor Lawrence, week one starter, started all 17 games. Zach Wilson, week one starter, missed four games in the middle, came back. Trey Lance, we knew was an all-time project,

also hadn't played a ton even in college. Two starts, week five and week 17, Garoppolo was still there. And that was one of the cases, there's a few examples of this where even though the person was taken, the player was taken in the first round, you were looking at the current situation and being like, okay, he's, this isn't replacing Trubisky. This isn't replacing Case Keenum.

This isn't replacing Andy Dalton. Like somebody is going to be there and playing likely for the entire season. So Lance only two starts, kind of an outlier. Justin Fields in that class, week three starter. He had 10 starts. Um, and again, he replaced Dalton fields to get hurt in his rookie year. So Dalton feels a bit, if we wanted to update it to a current event with the Jacobi Bursette Drake May situation, Dalton's career is better than Bursette's, but where Dalton was at that point of his career and where Bursette is now,

I think is a comparable thing. You liked it. The Bursette is better than the Bursette, Drake May situation. Dalton's career is better than Bursette's, but where Dalton was at that point of his career and where Bursette is now, I think is a comparable thing. You like that the backup has experience, has to get you through a few games fine, but he's not holding off anybody that you've put major resources into. Mack Jones, the other quarterback in that class, he started week one.

He started all 17 games as a rookie. He made the Pro Bowl. And so did 10 other quarterbacks that year. 11 quarterbacks made the Pro Bowl. If a third of the guys at the position are making the Pro Bowl. I've talked about this before. You guys are smart enough to know now.

Like, oh yeah, but he made the Pro Bowl four years ago. Yeah, what was it? The 7th alternate?, 2020, Joe Burrow, week one starter, 10 starts. He was hurt by week 12. Tua, he sat the first five games. So the month off approach really kind of six games. Then he started nine of the next 10 replacing remember Ryan Fitzpatrick. Uh, and that version of Tua was much different

than the version of Tua now. Even if you don't love him now, the trust of what they would call in red zone situations under that regime, when you'd watch those games of the younger Tua, you were like, they don't think he's any good at all. And credits to Mike McDaniel because some of that royal jelly for him, Justin Herbert, he sat week one for Tyrod Taylor and

then played the remaining 15 games. Um, that was the Tyrod Taylor situation where before the pregame of Herbert's first start, he'd had the rib injury, took a shot, punctured lung, sued the team doctor. I got caught in a, where's this lawsuit, wormhole. I have no idea. I don't have the answer. I don't know if it was settled or not, but I couldn't find it.

Just some bad luck for Taylor there because he was warming up. Anthony Lynn says, if you go to the recap of that game, we didn't know we didn't have Tyrod until the coin toss. And then he was taken to the hospital. It was so bad. And Herbert takes over the rest of his history. Jordan love. All right. The old school approach.

He started one game in his first two seasons and Rogers was there. Kyla Murray week one, started all 16 games. Daniel Jones started week three because they benched Eli Manning. 12 starts for Jones his first year. He was I think more on the project side of things than say, you know, when I think about guys that are like non-pri, like Caleb Williams isn't a project. Caleb Williams is ready to go. There are very few people that I would ever say that about because I think you can also apply like, oh, he needs more time.

He needs more time. The NBA draft rolls around. This guy's been on a high school year. Every one of these guys needs more time, but now it's on the NBA team to develop him and make use of that time. So none of them are going back to college. Rarely. Right.

So Eli benched Jones went 23 of 36, two passing touchdowns, two rushing touchdowns, four touchdowns total, a 113 passer rating. And his teammates said, quote, he plays with so much poise. You can't really tell he's a rookie Sterling Shepherd There is all sorts of quotes. I could keep going to sad story. Obviously Dwayne Haskins week 9 7 starts with Washington Baker Mayfield number one pick in 18 week 3 he played he was the week 4 starter replacing Tyrod Taylor

13 starts for him. Sam Darnold, week one starter. Maybe thought of as less of a project than some of the other guys we're talking about. 13 starts. When he came out of the gates week one in a win, didn't put up huge numbers, threw for 300 yards in the second game, threw a couple of picks. That was a Jets parade of

we have our guy. There are so many dudes that have few games early in their rookie year and you go back, because I've done it, and you read the reaction, you read about the problem has been solved. And I mean, what am I supposed to say? Like, yeah, our guy threw for 380, no picks,

week three of his entire career. Still could suck though. Still you hear Rossellos' pod? Yeah, I mean, who knows? Numbers are good. Nice to get the W could still suck. So I don't want to quote to look bad four years from now. That's obviously not going to happen. Josh Allen played in week one when Nathan Peterman was benched, started week

two, 12 starts, then got hurt. Josh Rosen, Rosen week four starter, 13 starts for him taking over for Sam Bradford in Bradford's last season. Lamar, end of the first round, seven starts. That was week 11. There was a week 10 buy for Baltimore. They're like, all right, let's dial it up with Lamar taking over for one Joe Flacco. And then the last class I want to look at here in 17, Churbisky goes number two overall. I think the ultimate not ready guy, he sat for a month, that month off rookie vacation

or internship is what I should call it, not a vacation because they're still working. 12 starts, takes over Mike Lennon. Then you've got Mahomes one start, Alex Smith in place. Deshaun Watson, six starts, officially week two. He did play in week one. They benched Tom Savage. Remember that battle?

Deshaun Watson or Tom Savage, and then he tore his ACL. So if we look at the numbers here, of all of these quarterbacks that went in the first round, 23 through 17, we've got 253 starts. Divide that by that number of quarterbacks. That's an average of 10.5 starts for quarterback, for rookie first-rounders. You want to mess with the numbers a little bit? You want you wanna take out Mahomes who we knew wasn't going to play unless Smith got hurt. And look, this isn't entirely fair, but I'm just gonna do it to make the point. Trey Lance, we knew he was not playing.

We knew Jordan Love was not playing. Take those guys out. It averages around 12 starts per quarterback for first rounders in their rookie season. I think you already knew that there was no such thing as patience with this because I used to, back in the day, look at when the top quarterback was, you know, the guys that would,

like Cam Newton's a really good example of this. Like Cam was not the lock number one pick all season long. I still think Cam's season at Auburn is the most impressive season I've seen from a quarterback when you want to talk about a guy carrying a team that even though you can fall for the Auburn CSEC, that team was not even close to as talented as all these other teams that have won national championships.

And when I see some of these rankings, you know, a decade later of which quarterback carried his team the most and all this different stuff, like I don't care what you think of Cam as a pro, but Cam one year at Auburn, I don't know that I've ever seen a player be that important to a team that ultimately won a championship on top of everything else. I mean, that's obviously the extra part of grading anyone for one season, but I remember being in on the air and just kind of falling in line with what I had always felt. It's like, okay, there's still some work to be done here physically.

He's really impressive, but you know, it's a different offense. What Malzahn was running at the time. there's still some work to be done here physically. He's really impressive, but you know, it's, it's a different offense. What Malzahn was running at the time, there was even a bigger separation between Saturday and Sunday with what we were seeing, so it could take a little time. And I didn't even think he was going to be number one. And then the momentum starts to build, starts to build, starts to build. And then he's the number one pick. And then I remember thinking, okay, well, are they going to put them right in there? Because a lot of this can be influenced on the survival instincts of a coach.

So let's just do Mayo in this case. Mayo's new, he's ready to go. He's, he's not on the hot seat here. Okay. Like when you were looking at some of the Trubisky stuff, like, well, these guys might be kind of desperate. So I always felt like the desperate coach would want to be patient with the rookie and put it off until like week eight, week nine.

And then if you're losing, you can at least then play the rookie. And then if you get a couple of nice games out of them, then you can try to carry that momentum into the off season and maybe the ownership in front of officers are like, all right, well, you know, some things kind of worked out. We like what we saw from the coach. If it's offensive head coach, but Freddie kitchen's in a head coaching deal out of just a few weeks of Baker against not even great football teams. So I always, I'm not married to it because there's nothing in this.

It's so consistent to say, Hey, when this happens, this will then always happen. But that was something that I always thought was worth looking at. It was like, where is the coach right now in his security and would he delay playing the rookie a little bit longer to try to have some sort of weird carry over? Whereas if you play the rookie week one and the team isn't good and the quarterback struggling, you don't have that fun thing to look forward to. Mike Glennon isn't a fun thing that your fan base is like, Oh, but you know, Mike Glennon has been around.

I don't even, you know, man, I don't even know Mike Glennon, nothing against him. You get the point. The Mahomes theory has always driven me crazy because, you know, Roger sat because Favre would fake retire. Love was drafted because Rogers wanted to be traded. So the franchise in that case, was a little bit more of a as far would fake retire. Love was drafted because Rogers wanted to be traded. So the franchise in that case, both of these things in the timeline with Green Bay,

they're like, we actually just need insurance for what seems to be a rather dramatic episode with the guy behind center. So we don't really know what to do. So I don't know that love is good because he sat, I don't think think even though we've had McShay come on and tell us that story about him and Mahomes, uh, less syllables. Mahomes couldn't identify the Mike linebacker. You know what? He probably would have been able to figure out at some point.

I think he probably would have, and he might've been able to do it week three with another team in his rookie year. I, I will never accept the idea that Mahomes is this good only because he sat behind Alex Smith the entire time. You want to tell me it helps? Sure. You want to tell me Andy Reid helps and Alex Smith's personality that Alex is like the right kind of guy to be sitting behind because not every dude is going to be like, this is awesome. I'm going to train my replacement. I think there's a nice way of still doing it while being competitive and I also think there's an awful way to do it, which I think Rogers actually resented a lot with Brett Farr to go back to that.

I remember when Rogers did an interview with us years and years ago, I'd asked him that question and he was pretty clear. Like, yeah, it wasn't great. So there's no, there's no real answer because I will accept that if you're not ready, practice not having that week one pressure on you all of a sudden. I don't think a lot of these guys fail because they're thrown in there too soon, but we know this is all of these rookies in this current situation. Even Drake May, it'll probably be week five.

The pats aren't going to be good. So they won't be good. They'll get asked about Drake may every single week. And then they probably give in after that one month internship. This is a great little treat for us getting ready for the college football season. We'll do some NFL stuff as well. Daniel Jeremiah, NFL network at move the sticks. That is also the podcast of Bucky Brooks.

So, uh, there's some things that I want to get to here because I know there's just, we don't have the new tape yet, right? I know you've broken down some of the college guys, but before I do that, I just spent a long time in the open talking about how often the first round rookie quarterback start and they start a lot of these games, unless you have outlined circumstances like Holmes, with Alex Smith, I think everybody knew when Jordan Love came in, Trey Lance as well was more of a developmental guy because he hadn't played a lot in college either.

I am forever without an answer. I don't know that I'll ever come to a conclusion of the line of, hey, he's not ready, let's let him watch versus the only way you get better at something is by actually doing it. And I, I know that, look, I did this quarterback series years ago here at the ringer where I wanted to talk to all of these quarterbacks that it didn't work out for and like what happened. And some are just like, I'm not good enough. Others really don't. to go here at the ringer where I wanted to talk to all of these quarterbacks that it didn't work out for and like what happened. And some are just like, I'm not good enough.

Others were like bad system, bad quarter, all of these different things. It really is quarterback specific, but again, as I continue to explain this to you, I don't think Mahomes is great because he sat for a year. Okay. I think he would have figured it out. I think other guys get thrown into the fire immediately. They probably weren't going to work out anywhere. Is there anything that you've discovered in your years with this, where you feel

like this is the way you would want to lean trying to get this guy ready? Yeah. I, I've done a lot of the same homework on that over the years and there's two layers to it. One is you start with, uh, like the, the mental toughness of the quarterback to survive the failure, like you have to start there like, okay, if we don't have the guys, the pieces in place, like how mentally tough is this kid, you know? And that's somewhat nebulous.

You're not going to have, you know, a hundred percent answer on that, but some guys, you know, like, okay, Hey, this guy hasn't played a ton, um. It's a little more fragile. We got to protect this a little bit more and be a little bit more thoughtful and careful with how we go about it. So that was the first part of it. The other thing is, and I've kind of just made this simple, which was if you look at young quarterbacks to put them in a position to be successful, I just looked at the P's. It was like, okay, do I have a play caller? Do I have protection? Do I have playmakers? If you're in if you're 0 for 3 on those, it's probably best that let's slow the train down here You know what I mean? So that's like the little simple easy checklist on that one start with are they you know?

The mental toughness to be able to handle some adversity which is gonna come no matter what and then to me my confidence level Whether the throw them out there is gonna be dependent on how many of those three P's that they hit. Toughness is an interesting one because, I mean, do you really know someone's toughness? But I think Josh Allen would be my example. I think if you spent time with Josh going through that process, he was pretty hardened and tough considering what he played with at Wyoming and who he was playing against and having some failure and then seeming like he came through it. Okay.

Um, I felt like, okay, he's someone that he'll be able to take his lumps. First of all, physically he's tough. Like he can play behind a crappy offensive line. You can run him. He's, you know, he's so sturdy and durable that he'll be able to physically survive. But then I think just spending a bunch of time with them, you're like, okay, mentally he's he'll be fine too. He's a very, very confident kid who's had to play with lesser.

Some of these guys, the biggest challenge is they've just always played with superior dudes. And now all of a sudden you drop them in there. Um, and now they're, they're, they're freaking, uh, on the short end of the stick talent wise, every single week with who they're playing against. That's a major adjustment. But guys, you know, when you're, when you saw what he was playing with the Wyoming his last year, there was no adjustment.

Yeah. The Wyoming thing, like looking back, I wish I had been more all in on it because there were those games where you just thought he has no chance, he has no chance. And he's still keeping some of these plays alive, but you know, whatever, I defaulted to the accuracy thing. And I'd say even the first couple of years he was in, I went, I was listening with Chris Long on his podcast and after he threw all those picks against New England, I remember watching that game going, I don't know, man. I don't know.

And then that was actually, Alan admits in that interview, a turning point where he just realized like, okay, even though I'm physically capable of doing some of these things, I have to stop doing them. Look, some detractors would say there's still a little bit too much. I'll take it all. I'll take all of that. I want guys willing to dial up the risk a little bit. The reason I was also thinking about this, because I just taped with Brock Purdy. We're going to run that next week. I was wondering about Purdy. Brandon, look, he's at Iowa State. He's 6'1", 200 plus pounds, that's why he goes last in the draft. So it's a physical thing for us. He's not highly recruited coming out of high school Arizona. But when you spend a little time with him, I wonder if he actually didn't do well in

his interviews because he wasn't selling you on this mental toughness. And the reality was, is that that's just the efficiency of him. Like his toughness is not worrying about all of this nonsense. Like I could see like a big guy like Mitch Trubisky sitting down with a bunch of front office people making the decision and you're like, Oh, look at this haus, you know, look at this big tough guy. And, and maybe a little further down the road, you go, maybe he just wasn't really, there wasn't that much there or he wasn't really processing all that much stuff. And that actually is the bigger issue, even though in the 15 minutes, you go, maybe he just wasn't really, there wasn't that much there or he wasn't really processing all that much stuff. And that actually is the bigger issue,

even though in the 15 minutes, 30 minutes, he sold this on like being this tough guy. I could see Purdy interviews, people leaving that just from his, like his demeanor going on. I don't know, is that guy really gonna be starting for us? 17 games a year? And the reality is that his demeanor might be better wired, even if he doesn't check the cliche toughness boxes.

Yeah. He, he's one that I've gone back and done some homework on, um, just trying to figure out, okay, what'd I miss? I went back through all my notes and then I didn't have any, there was no, like we would say a blue trait, like there's no like elite level trait that he possessed. So it's just, man, in the history, if you go back and look at guys that don't have elite either, you know, size, arm strength, athleticism, you know, I didn't even like accuracy. I thought it was good, but I didn't think it was on, you know, an elite, elite level.

So I'm like, well, how the heck do I figure out how I screwed this up? So I talked to Matt Campbell and I was like, you got to help me fill on the gaps here, man. Like what, what did I miss? What did we all miss on this guy? Man, he kept, you know, it's kind of a cliche answer, but I thought it did make some sense. And I think if you would have had an opportunity to be around him more, like be around him at practice, he said, he had like, he said, I wouldn't use the term and I wouldn't use it lightly. It's a cliche, but like competitive greatness.

When you, when you watched him in practice every day, every single day, every drill, he said he is just like an insane competitor. Um, and you wouldn't know that, like you said, from talking, visiting with them for 10, 15 minutes, even an hour, because he's doesn't have a big presence about him, he's a little bit soft spoken, um, but he said he was a maniac as a competitor. So, I mean, that's again, I'm like, I don't know how I'm going to figure that out for the next Brock party that comes along, but it is something to dive into just in terms

of talking to teammates. Like what's he like in practice? Like, and if you usually they don't have to, you know, worry about them. Okay. Well, maybe they just wouldn't tell me like the guys that are the psycho competitors, there's going to be stories that are going to emerge if you talk to a bunch of their teammates. Yeah.

It's funny you said that because we take this part out because you use it in the recruiting stuff that we'll do like a couple of times a year, but I asked him for his best recruiting story. So I'll just share it here with the audience as well as he went to Bama as a preferred walk-on to visit with Saban. He told us that Saban was like, you know, here's what you do. Well, he's like, you're not all that accurate.

And his Brock was telling the story. I'm thinking like, okay, you know, like, did you, you know, did you even want to go to Alabama and he's this guy just couldn't believe he was saying this stuff about kind of like little, like he answered it in a direction would had way more to do with he hasn't gotten over the slight. Um, which kind of speaks to what you're talking about. But the thing that you're talking about is also the impossibility of you can have great connections with college coaches and all that stuff.

You've got to worry about the coaches lying to you. Uh, if the coach dogs one of their prospects to an NFL team, and then that makes the rounds and that's going to be used against the staff. So you really, really have to be like. Life long friends with these people to get the truth out of them. And even with that, if you don't have that kind of access and you're making a decision on the future

of your franchise for five years, it's just really, really hard to think you know the person. One of the things that I've learned, and it's still hard to do, because it's hard like sometimes to get access to this stuff, but teammates have been way more accurate with information on players. And sometimes it can be what they don't say versus what they do say about guys. But they don't have the professional guard up and they don't have skin in the game for

anything to get back to them like the coaches do, like you just mentioned how that can screw a program. So if you talk to enough of them, and then the other side of it is, it's not, it's not, you know, describe him or, you know, one to 10, like those, that's stupid. I want stories like, don't tell me like he's the toughest guy on the team. Well, give me an example, like give me a couple stories of how tough this kid is. And I was like, Oh, you know, he's freaking popped his shoulder out and then didn't come out of the drive and then blah, blah, blah, blah. Like you get, you get those types of stories. And that's something that like, I go back to Ozzy Newsome and my time around him.

He was awesome at that because we'd be, we'd have an issue with the player and trying to figure out, you know, and then all of a sudden he'd ask that one. Give me this, give me an example of him, you know, maybe in the weight room, you know, tell us about what he does in the weight room. And then you'd get specific stories and it would either confirm or, or be in conflict with what the opinion we had in the room. Yeah. That reminds me of like two different stories. Cause I remember when, um, when Burrow was at LSU and the first game they played was against Miami.

And remember Burrow's first year at LSU was all right. I mean, LSU was thrilled. Yeah, cause it was like, oh, there's at least a stabling force at the position here. And I guess in the pregame, there was this altercation with some of the guys from Miami and Burrough just ran into the crowd and like slammed his hand in one of the dudes

and said, take this L. And like the defensive guys on LSU were going, who the fuck is this guy? And you know, it's also tough too, cause then it's like, all right, well now we wanna try to model our selections and influence with that. It's like, okay, yeah, who's a lunatic on your team?

You're like, okay, but I wouldn't want him in my locker room or anything. It's just forever hard. All right, let's start talking about this class. I was looking at the mocks for 2025, cause I just like doing it as you get ready for the college football season with everything. Um, is Beck at this point, I know the really, I don't want to put you on the spot here.

I know that most of your summer deep dive is kind of the top quarterbacks still very incomplete. So let's just get that out there. Um, but as far as the work that you have done on him, uh, where is he now going into this season? Yeah, he'd be the top guy for me. I mean, number one overall. Yeah. I mean, just of the guys I've done all those court, you know, those top tier

quarterbacks and look at those guys. So, um, he's going to have pole position for me coming into the process, everything. And we talk about, okay, what are kind of the blue traits? He's got the size. He's got plenty of arm strength. He's, he's really good foundationally. Like he plays with his feet in the ground. He's on balance.

Obviously didn't have to do as much, um, with what he has there. So that's where some of the gaps got to get filled in. Um, but you know, he's the prototype, he's a prototypical quarterback. And I don't know enough about him yet on the personal side of things in terms of leadership, you know, intelligence, all that stuff, but just from a pure tape study, watching those guys, when you look down at your paper and you're like, okay, I always, you know, you're kind of writing this little summary, this little summer, uh, summary, which is pretty basic and

generic and I'm like, all right, where's the bad stuff? And I'm like, no, it's not a lot. I don't have a lot of bad stuff in here from the games that I watched. So, um, I I'm hoping and the schedule being what it is, I think you'll have an opportunity this year to kind of maybe carry a little bit more of that load, um, in some of those big matchups with the, with the realignment. But, uh, yeah, everything I saw was really, really solid. What did you see where I felt like there was, there was a couple of games in the

middle of the season where I felt like whatever it was, it wasn't a stat thing. It was the light went on for him. Um, did, Did you see that? It felt like a guy that was more comfortable, more decisive, even if the stats wouldn't necessarily back up that he had two different seasons within the same season. Kyle Sivers Yeah, I mean, I'm just kind of going through my notes. I thought he was more decisive, even as a runner, um, going back through that, just seeing opportunities and taking them, not playing quite as, as cautious or as hesitant.

Um, those are some of the things that, you know, when I'm going through and looking at this stuff, um, I thought he worked in the middle of the field. One of the things you'll see with guys who don't have a ton of experience as you'll see, they'll live on the edges. Uh, it gets real muddy and real blurry in the middle of the field. And that's literally, you know, that's the NFL game is played in the middle of the field in those crowds you gotta be comfortable you gotta throw with anticipation. I thought you know as the more he played the more it wasn't just them you know protecting him and bubbles and perimeter stuff they were let him function and drive seen balls and he can you know you can do that. I think you're probably on the something there just with the confidence level the experience i, you know, he can do that. Um, but I think you're, you're probably onto something there just with the

confidence level, the experience. I think you saw better as it went along. All right. Who's number two then for that position? For me, it was yours. And this like, I, I had no idea the blowback and they like the amount of people that hate yours. I maybe hate too strong, but they're not fans of yours.

And surprisingly, a lot of them have long horn logos in their, uh, in their profiles. And I'm sure that's, that's a lot of that has to do with arch, you know, and then, you know, that is the, the shiny new toy that they're anxious to unpack and play with. And, uh, I understand that, but when I watched him, I'm like, man, this guy's young, um, he's got a live arm. He's got a lot of twitch in his body. And the comparison I use, which then people freak out about, of course, but I'm like,

he reminds me of Baker. And then I never, I never thought this through that like you have, okay, you already have the dynamic of yours and he's transferred and then he's got the star back at quarterback. So there's a lot of opinions there. And then now you've just taken the Texas quarterback and compared him to the Oklahoma, you know, heavenly saint that is Baker Mayfield. So literally after posting that, Ryan, my mentions, I just backed away and it was just, it was an Oklahoma, Texas, you know, battle royale in my mentions of how I insulted him. And they're using statistics and I'm like, I'm not, I don't care about the statistics.

I'm talking about guys who are kind of compact, who have a lot of life in their body, who play with energy. I think about Baker, you know, coming into that last year, he was not, nobody was talking about him as a top 10 pick at that point in time, but he had gone into Ohio State and won in hostile territory and had that big win. You've got Ewers who's gone and beat Alabama. It played well against Bama the year before before he got hurt. So I think he's got a lot of ability in there. I think he's young and I think he's getting better. It's not perfect by any stretch, but I'm like there's a lot. I think there's a lot to work with with that kid.

Okay, and you have Shadour next up. Yeah. Shadour would be next. Just, just, I mean, look, it's hard because they're so bad upfront. Um, but I thought that he just has got to, he's got to, he's got to play with a faster clock. Um, you know, at some point in time, you have to adjust your surroundings. They'd be like, I can't just, I can't sink my feet into the ground and gets, and just get completely stuck here. Um, so that's stuff that I thought he needed to work on.

But make every throw. Throw is a beautiful ball. Like, I mean, mechanically, it's pretty like he's got a beautiful motion. Ball comes out nice. He can layer the ball. He's got touch. He just has to simply play faster. I think, again, look, the guy was at Jackson State.

It's a different sport than what he found at Colorado. So I'm anxious to see if he's made some improvements in that area, but he can spin it. I felt bad for him last year and I'm not saying he's entirely blameless. Cause you're right. As the season continued to get worse and worse, you're like, did you get to get the ball out? But at the same time, it's like, okay, you know, your old line can't protect.

Um, you know, they have, they had guys that could clearly get separation. So I don't feel like it was like a Drew Geller situation at Penn state, but, um, you know, whether it was the issues with the coaching and I'm not a big play calling guy and on the Monday after the games, but it's like, all right, how many times are you just

going to drop back and have these long developing routes? Deep overs? Right, and he's just like, hey, guess what? He's not gonna have time again. My guard has no chance against this guy, no chance. So you're watching it going, what are you guys doing to him? But then at the same time, it's like, all right, well,

you know, where maybe if, I mean, imagine, I can't imagine anyone's running a power four, now not power five conference offense where they're not giving you some kind of release valve with some of this stuff. But there was, I thought, before they made the coordinator change, I thought early in the year was the best they played.

Early? Yeah. You're absolutely right, which again, adds to another layer of the whole Colorado conversation of that. All of the, just looked that much worse. Like I, I thought he was actually decisive in the beginning because they were like setting him up with some of the stuff. So, you know, I don't know that he can play like that again and be considered.

Let me say it this way. If he has another season like this. Where he's just getting his ass handed to him all the time and we don't see a development either, you know, look, the protection has to be better. There's a lot of stuff around him that has to be better. I worry that he could be one of those like pre-season top 10 mock draft picks. And if it's the same thing again in 24, then I don't know that he's

going to be projected to go as high. Is that fair? I will say this. There's been times in the past, and I think it's better now, especially because there's so many people in the space that are, that are doing this. So there's kind of like some checks and balances with evaluating these guys really, really early. And I think there's also, there's a lot more ways to get connected with NFL

sources to get information, but I remember I was scouting, uh, like when Matt Barkley was coming out and it was my all time guy, preseason top 10 pick, but again, another year he was, uh, and I, and I, I've told Todd this a million times too. Like I can't imagine having to do a mock draft like the day after the previous draft. Like that's insane. Um, to put that on anybody is impossible. Um, exactly. And he, no, and we've talked about this, but like Matt Barkley, when everybody did their spring scouting was never a first round pick. Like nobody, once everybody got a chance to watch him and really study him.

And I'm sure even mock drafts that got put out, once people got to really study him, he was never that. Cause I just remember people talking about, Oh guy, they use it as an example of guys should come out and this, that, and the other. I'm like, no, no, no, nobody had done their homework on Matt. And that's, and his credit, he's maximized his abilities, had a long NFL career as a backup. Um, with kudos to him, but he was never, when anybody did their full evaluation coming off of the year before, he was never a top 10 pick. He was never going to be the first overall pick. Um, and so I think sometimes that gets skewed with Shadoor, um,

talking to people around the league. I mean, most people thought he thought he was like a second round pick over the summer. They thought that's kind of where he, you know, enters into this, this year and this process. So I think that's a little bit watered down from maybe some of the expectations of some of the mock drafts, but, um, I think he's, you know, I think if he, if he improved some things and really more than anything else just speed up his clock, I think he could be a first round pick, but I don't think he comes into this thing as like, man, hopefully he doesn't fall on his face.

He's a top five pick and he could fall out of the first round. I don't think that's the opinion. I like that. I mean, I don't think it's as bad as like a Hackenberg thing, cause I think Hackenberg physically checked all these boxes and then as the season played out, you're just like, this isn't, I don't think it's as bad as like a Hackenberg thing because I think Hackenberg Physically checked all these boxes and then as the season played out you're just like this isn't this isn't I was like waiting There was more like it was like patience with Hackenberg like hey, this has to happen eventually And then it never did okay Maybe one of the moment one like the silhouette of a quarterback like if Jerry West was like the logo for the NBA like

Hackenberg is like a quarterback prospect silhouette. Fantastic. Like Buzz Lightyear with that jaw. It was a phenomenal, phenomenal jaw. Phenomenal jaw. Phenomenal. But he was also somebody I forget if, yeah, I don't, I don't forget.

I actually know exactly what it was. I just don't know if I feel bad. No, cause Josh McCown didn't do anything wrong. I love Josh McCown, huge fan. And he was Hackenberg's teammate and Josh came up to ESPN to do like a little car wash. And I was like, what's up with Hackenberg? He's like, man, make all the throws physically

off the charts. And he just kind of went through the list and that he left. And I think I turned Forget if it was Van Pelt or canal at that point and I was like, I think he's telling us he can't play It's so funny. You know, it's so funny about that. I had a training camp tour with Mcount I won't I won't say the team because it'll it'll uh, it'll rat him out But he's such a good dude and I got to know him just from just seeing him at training camp tours. And he's just such a great dude. So they had a new- He's the best. And just for the record too, like he was talking them up to me, then didn't say

anything in the commercial break, you know, pounded it out, shook hands left. And then I was like, I think that's him saying, nope. Yeah. He was very, I did an interview with them and then we sat and talked for 15, 20 minutes and it wasn't, he wasn't like, there's guys that are like talking crap and trying to make excuses about surroundings and everything. And they had a new coordinator at this location. And I, so we finished up and I go, so how's it going with the new coordinator? He goes, oh, we have no chance. It was totally off the record. It was so harmless and it proved out. It was, uh, it was very accurate. Wow. Yeah. My other one and Srooty write this down in the repeated

Rossello stories list. Cause like, this will be the last time I use it was Larry Fedora with Trevisky. Fedora came in, did the car wash. Was like, what's up with Trabisky? Just been drafted second. He went through the list, everything. He's like, you know, if he's got this, this, this, this, just start. It's like, you know, if the weather, you know, yeah, I'm kidding. But it was just a list of things that, you know, you do this, you're patient. Yeah, you played with strengths, you know,

the whole thing and we're like, all right, thanks. And then when he left, I was like, uh-oh. Yeah. What about Brian Kelly with Deshaun Kaiser? Remember that? Well, he said he should have come back to school. Remember? I don't remember that specifically, go ahead.

Oh yeah, it was a big story. It's so as well with Pete said that Mark Sanchez should have came back. I remember that remember that specifically. Go ahead. Oh yeah. He, it was a big story. It is so as well with, uh, with Pete said that Mark, Mark Sanchez should have came back. I remember that one. Yeah. Um, but I'm curious if we were to go back, has a coach ever been wrong on that? Like, cause the coaches get destroyed when that, when that gets out or when they, in that case, I think both those guys said it on the record.

Brian Kelly absolutely said it on the record. Um, but I don't know of any time where I've been like, well, coach was way wrong on that one. I remember Carol specifically talking about the number of starts. Like that used to be one of the things that we could all look at. It was like the Parcells rules. Yeah. Yeah.

Right. If you have less than this number of starts, the history is actually overwhelmingly bad. And I think Carol pointed that out. He was even sitting next to Sanchez. I think it was on when he was announcing he was coming out. I think they had a little press conference sitting next to each other on the desk,

if I remember that correctly. Yeah, I think that's what it was. And Mark is such a nice dude. I don't ever recall him ever even really saying anything about it. And again, obviously his career got off to a great start and he played for a long time. And I wouldn't view Mark Sanchez as a, you know, as a bust.

He went to some championship games. So, I mean, it just, uh, it was, I don't think that he's, you know, you know, it didn't obviously go on to be a perennial pro board and hall of famer. I'm just curious if we were to do that study of a coach who's had something that's maybe at least less than flattering if it's ever been thrown back in that coach's face. I'm sure we could find it. It's just, it's tough to remember all this stuff.

Okay. The other name that I hear in this mix outside of top three, cause I think so far your three are fairly, you know, consensus. Well, you know, I guess I say I've seen Sanders ahead of yours more than the way you just laid it out. That's the most pushback I than. Yeah. Oh yeah. Yeah. I just laid it out. So that guy got it. Does Connor work?

Connor Wegman. A and M. Yeah. I haven't done enough on him. I just know he doesn't play it enough. Yeah. The only thing I know about that I can tell you about that situation is when I talked to guys on that staff last year, after he got hurt, it was curtains and

they knew it. I mean, that's how much, you know, they knew he meant to what they were trying to get accomplished there. Okay. Is there any other name then we should throw into the first round mix? Um, that's, I mean, that's it for me. I mean, the, I've picked it, our, um, I've done enough work on him to say, you know, one way or the other, but I did not, I did not come away from that thing. He was going to be a first round pick the guy that is that, well, there's nothing, there's nothing from the two big games that will go, yeah, this is going to be great.

And I mean, I've already referenced the lack of talent on the outside, but I mean, I think it got to a point with him where he was just like, his confidence was falling apart too on top of everything else. So go ahead. Well, you know, I'm excited about this South Dakota state kid. Again, I haven't done any work on him yet. Ryan, um, yep, there you go. Thank you. Uh, again, I'll get all these to memory before too long,

but that's one that's come up a bunch talking to guys that have done their summer work. Uh, and, and scout said, you're going to have fun watching this kid. He's a fun watch. He's athletic. Um, and I, I think they have Oklahoma state right out the shoot. So, um, that'll be one. Like if you, you asked me ironically, like, what's the game you're looking forward to watching? Once the game tape rolls in off of this opening weekend, that's going to be one of the first ones I watch, just because I'm intrigued to see that kid. Let's talk Travis Hunter, because he really is that dynamic. Is the value in him being a corner or wide receiver for a draft pick? I think I'm on a limb on this one, but I watched a bunch of him over the summer and I liked him better at wide out. I just thought he's so electric and he can go get it. He's got unbelievable

ability after the catch as well. He moves just like it's kind of got that lean body type and the way he moves. Remind me of Garrett Wilson, um, of just like that kind of just wiry explosive, you know, fluid athlete. Um, when I watched him at corner, I mean, it was just inconsistent. The Stanford game was not good. Um, that, that was a rough one, but then I go back and look at it. And I think I wrote about it. He played like 140 snaps or whatever it was, and that can insane amount of snaps.

Um, so it's, you gotta give them a little bit of a pass on that just because there's a corner having, having tired legs is going to show up a lot more than it would at wide out. Um, but I liked them better. I thought this guy's a first round wide receiver who's got like elite, elite upside at that position. After doing the draft prep draft and then watching it pre-season, which rookie are you just like, I'm right.

And I'm so excited about it. Whew. Um, well, I'm trying to think. I mean, there's, I do the charger game. So, I mean, I'm like, not, not like it was the hardest evaluation. Oh, it's pretty good. It's going to be fine. Um, turns out, uh, he's going to be just fine.

The whole left tackle to right tackle thing. Not a big deal. Um, so felt fine about that. Uh, quarterback wise. No, I mean, I think everybody it's, I don't know that I came away, you know, disappointed in any of the quarterbacks. I think all of them played well. Um, yeah, I don't think you can really learn anything.

I've always said preseason is a liar. So I don't, I try not to take too much, uh, out of that. I would say, gosh, no, Bo Nicks, maybe a little bit, uh, better than I thought. Just the more I see of him, the more I'm like, okay, the arm is better. You know, some guys, it's just, it's hard to tell that Oregon offense to like, they're like, okay, no, the arm is even, is a little bit better than I gave him credit for. Um, so that would be one maybe on the other side of things.

I'm trying to think of. Is there any, I mean, it doesn't have to be a quarterback or anything like that. Uh, I mean, it's just so hard for the line of scrimmage play. Like the edge rushers, nobody plays very, very few teams play their, their frontline offensive line. And there's zero depth in this league. So like, I'm stoked for Booker cause I liked him a lot. The Ed Rescher from Kansas that went to the bears who was borderline unblockable. I think my, my comp was, he was a Kirkland brand, Max Crosby.

Um, you know, and he's Kirkland's a solid brand. I mean, that's a good golf ball. It'll, you know, it's fine. Um, paper towels, fantastic. But he, uh, he was awesome in the preseason and I'm excited about that. Cause I liked him as a player, but then I'm also reluctant to go all in there because I'm like, I don't know who's rushing against here. Cause none of these frontline linemen play and there's no offensive line depth in this league. I hear the irons test like incredibly well. Like it's hard to keep, get your hands on the Kirkland irons. Yeah. I've watched videos on all that stuff and it's a pretty good chance. It probably could have saved a lot of money. It's been like, but it's just. That's a tough one though. It's a tough

one. You pull out of the bag. The one time I got invited at Bel Air, I just don't know how it would have gone over me. Like, all right, like which ones are yours? Mine are the Kirklands, the stiff ones. over me like all right which ones are yours mine are the kirklands the stiff ones you know you tell you this tells you a lot about your comfort level with your friends when you're playing golf is when you when you're looking for your ball and you find a kirkland like do i pocket this thing i throw it back uh i feel like all right let me just, let's just end here. Cause I went a little bit longer. I don't talk a ton of fantasy, but I loved your excitement about landing Brock

Bowers. Cause I did, I went all in. I think oddly he's, he's almost becoming overlooked because the Bowers, especially with the tight end personnel and like we can get into the Minshew O'Connell part of this. I would be surprised if Bowers doesn't have a few moments as a rookie season that, that remind us of why he looked like maybe the best football player in all of college a couple of years ago. So here's, here's my visual for you on Bowers.

I went out there and saw him at training camp and obviously saw him throughout the whole draft process and loved him. This is where I would explain it. If you went to a Raiders practice, right. And they put Brock Bowers in, uh, you know, 88 and he lined up at receiver and ran and went through all individual drills with the white outs. He looks the part. If you put him in 28 and put him in the backfield and let him go through

individual drills with the running backs, you wouldn't, you say, Hey, one of those guys is a tight end. You're like, I don't know. I don't know if I can tell you which one. Like he, he's that type of an athlete. Like he just kind of can, I'd probably pick the white one just to guess. Well, yeah, that's fair. That's fair. Uh, fair enough. Although if I had to it, if you were telling me the chiefs, the chiefs, the chiefs have a steel now. So they're, uh, that's a white, white running back is, uh, is making a dent there and with Andy Reed there in Kansas city, right. The Raiders have the New Hampshire kid too, right?

No lobby. Yeah. Yeah. Lobby. Yeah. So maybe I, maybe I wouldn't get it right. It's 50 50, man. You got it.

It's kind of shot of sneaking through there. Uh, but I think you could, I think I. The bold statement I'll make, and I know Devante Adams, obviously everything he's accomplished. I think Brock Bowers will be their best offensive player this year. Whoa. That is that's spicy to end this. So, um, of course he's hurt.

So, you know, who knows, probably get nine balls this year. I love your work, man. And always appreciate the visits again. Check them out at move the sticks and of course the podcast and all of his work up on NFL.com. Thanks, man. I think you go Kirkland clubs, but just not the covers. You just gotta get some, throw some, throw some tailor-made

covers on those things. I think the next family outing for the Jeremiah is you're going to be at Costco and you're going to be going, you're going to start getting your hand. You're going to go, I like the weight. I like how this feels. I can see it happen. I'm making a deal out of this for you. Maybe some new grips.

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The band is Goose and Rick Materatunda joins us now who look man, this has been a lot of fun watching the story, watching your journey and that's kind of where I want to go with this. I'm going to see you guys when you're out here in LA in a few weeks. So thanks for doing this today, man. How are you?

Great, thanks for having me. So I always, I like asking creative people that become successful. The first time, whether they saw a movie or something like that, but what was the first music that made you feel something? Man, there's, there's, when I was really young, there was a lot of music that impacted me.

There's a lot of stuff that I don't even remember. I remember being in one of those kid seats in the back of my mom's car and just stuff being on the radio and seeing things around it and stuff. So I was always drawn to it. It was always affecting me. But I think in the 90s, the Discman scene was pretty hot. I would get like CD, I think one of my first CDs was like

the Space Jam soundtrack or like in sync or really anything. A lot of stuff, it would impact me a lot. The Offspring was one of an early CD I remember having. The Dave Matthews thing, which is funny. I've been having a big Dave Matthews resurgence recently. I was at a party a few weeks ago and they were playing the Central Park concert at this party and I was like, man, I forgot how just good this stuff is. So I've had this, Reese, the past few weeks, I've been digging more into his discography

and kind of have just a different lens now because I grew up with that stuff a lot. So kind of studying his career at this point is a really fascinating thing to me. But so yeah, just a bunch of CDs in the Discman is like its own world in there. And that was, that was kind of the thing when I was a kid. Pete Slauson Were you the band guy? Like in high school,

it's like, okay, Rick's, he's the, he's the guitar guy or he's gonna be, he's gonna be in the band. Like, were you that guy more so than the rest of your friends? Chris Bounds I was a band guy. I don't, I don't, I don't, I wouldn't say I was the band guy, but, um, yeah, I was definitely a bad guy. I just, yeah, I played in bands and you know, that was, that was definitely, definitely my thing. I'm glad you said that about Dave, because I feel like Dave Matthews gets a, it's a tough rap now because he's been around so long and then I'm, you know,

late forties. So somebody's like, Oh, you're going to see Dave, you know, and like younger generations are just kind of make fun of it. And I'm like, I'm telling you the first time I heard the notes from this stuff from a bootleg tape. And I remember I was going away to college. It was a summer before I was leaving for my freshman year. So I'm 18 and I heard these sounds.

I'm like, what is this? And I was begging the guy, I worked at a CD store locally and I was begging the guy, I was like, I'll give you a discount on CDs if you can bring this tape in so I can dub it tomorrow. Cause I have to have it before I leave for college. And there was no like ordering anything online. And then he was like, Oh, it's Dave, man. It's Dave, it's Virginia. And when we finally got around, like I got the CDs from Bama rags,

their independent label out of Virginia. I made the content. I didn't even know how I researched this stuff. Cause it wasn't, there was no internet and I, I got the CD, the CD that you'd stare at, like those, those magical posters. And I would play it when I was back home, I would play it in the shop. And within a minute of every song, random people that would be all over the catalogs of what they would be interested in and be like, what is this? And I'd be like, Oh, it's Dave Matthews. This is the best one.

And they all would buy it. We would sell out of it nonstop. Because there are those moments where you hear something that you just know, this is different. And that was so full and there was so much going on there. So I'm very defensive of him with younger generations just goofing on dudes and in just, you know, dad sneakers going outside to have a few beers.

The connotation is such a thing. You know, anything that gets crazy popular for a period of time, it kind of ends up taking a lot of heat, I guess, in some way or another. And you know, a lot of people just associate Dave Matthews with a certain crowd that they don't want to identify themselves with. So you know, there's that. But like, the fact of the matter is, whether you like it or not, that stuff is so creative.

That music is so creative. His guitar parts, his vocal melodies, his lyrics, like the whole, the band, they're all killer musicians. The whole thing, it's like, you know, what you like is, you know, that's one thing in and of itself, but it's good. This is good you know the music is sick i don't know i did it. Hey man we are we are on the same page and i just think i'm like you cannot like it but you can't say that you can't say it's bad yeah there's a lot of really interesting things going on there. So when you start kind of navigating your passions and everything and putting,

I know there's some stuff that you've done before Goose was formed, but like, let's get to the Goose part of it, of those beginning moments of like, this is what I want to be, but I also don't want to be like this. Like, what were those discussions like with you and your band members? Uh, it's, it's, I mean, that whole thing is like

a very evolving, there's many points of evolution in that, I would say. When Goose first started, I was going back to school. So it was probably the first three years of Goose being a band on paper. We were just playing bars in Connecticut once a month or something like that. I was doing a lot of back and forth between Boston, um, finishing up school there and, and yeah, we played like the Irish pub in Norwalk.

You know, shout out to O'Neill's like once a month, pretty much. Um, and, and different, different bars around Connecticut. And every once in a while we'd go to up to Burlington and play some, you know, first of three or four at the Radio Bean or something, kind of like dumb local Northeast gigs. 2017 is when we finished school the year prior and we were kind of like, let's start pushing here and try to figure out how to really get this thing moving. We got a booking agent finally, which at least in our

case, that was the only hope. Booking shows outside of our local bar scene was pretty much impossible with no traction of any kind. So we started working with this guy, Matt Kalinske, who was a great guy. And we were in the trenches with him for a couple of years. And Peter joined the band in 2018. That's kind of when we... Throughout 2017, we were going through lineup changes and stuff like that. Kind of, like you said, honing in on what we wanted the thing to be. There was a summer of 2017, there's this notorious tour called, we call it like the Throne of the Wolves tour because we were all fired up. We finally had a booking agent.

We were like, yeah, let's get out there and just book a million shows and we'll just play them and it'll be great. He was like, you really shouldn't do that. We're like, no, no, no, do it. We got out there and within a couple of weeks, we're like, okay, yeah, cool. That's why he said we shouldn't do this. After that, I think we had to get out there and get our asses kicked a little bit

to figure out what we wanted to be and what we didn't want to be, and how to refine it, and how to do it more intelligently, and how to not burn ourselves out, you know, playing, wasting our energy basically and that kind of thing. I have a quick Berkeley question, but I got to set it up a little bit. Um, you know, I like a lot of stuff, right? And what I love loved about working with a bunch of musicians at a music shop

being young is it's just having your mind open up to all this different stuff. And like, I remember there's this one guitar player who was like, you don't know anything about Miles Davis. He's like, you never listened to any Miles Davis. Like what's wrong with you? And of course I'm just like, what are you talking about? You know, my funny Valentine. And then you start getting into how Davis evolves and like in a silent way, Jack Johnson stuff is like my all time favorite. So I read his autobiography and Davis is obviously brilliant, but he also backed it up with the technical stuff that he learned from going to school, right? Going to school in New York City and he was balancing studying and kind of being a genius

to be able to arrange all the stuff that he did later on. But then just having the raw ability to improvise and do whatever he wants and steal the show every time he was up there. How do you kind of at this moment of your life go, I'm learning all this technical stuff that's super important, but is it advancing me as a player as much as just the raw part of being in the moment? Well, at this point, I don't have nearly, I don't really have any technical input on a daily basis in a sense. There's times I'll practice and work on things, but you know, during that time, you know, I think there's different types of people

that do have different types of experiences at a place like Berklee or music school in general. I can't speak to other music schools. Berklee is a pretty constant, like that's music is the only thing happening there. That's it's a pretty concentrated environment in that respect. In my experience, like I learned a lot.

Technicality, as far as technicality and things like that goes, but creatively, it was, at the end of the day, a pretty stifling experience for me. Both times I went, because I did two stints there. I think, I've obviously thought about it a good amount, but I think what it comes down to is I

personally lost myself in that environment, which isn't necessarily a bad thing. Feel like throughout life, we go through phases, all kinds of things. You lose yourself, you find yourself. It's part of the program. I brought that into the question as well, is it even bad that I,

both times I went in there, I was creatively fired up in something, the second time even more so because in between those two stances where it really when I started writing again. So I was writing a lot before I went in the second time and within months of starting up classes and being in that environment again, I just stopped. It took me years to find any voice again after that, I feel like.

I don't know entirely why that is, but you do see it a lot. When I first got there in 2009, I placed a little higher than I should have probably. I placed into some really advanced stuff that really, these other kids were playing circles around me. I couldn't really hang. I remember that I was in this Brazilian jazz ensemble and there's this guitar player in there.

He was just miles and miles and miles ahead of where I was at. I basically made a fool of myself in there. But this kid was insane. A few years later, I ran into him at a club and he was DJing, and I just chatted with him a little bit and he stopped playing guitar. He was like, I'm done. I saw a lot of that, a lot of people that were just so good at such a young age

and had so much ability and for whatever reason, you could probably debate that quite a bit, but they stopped, they lost the fire, they lost the drive to make. So, it's really not, there's, you know, ability and talent are such different things than artistic drive or fire or the need to, to create the need to make, you know, those are two very different things that I've found. I remember, you know, one of my guys that I think still has like a special subscription

to jam bands.com or something like he's just been on it since day one. He's never wavered. And he's like, you got to check out Goose. And for me being at UVM and being in Vermont when the fish thing really took off, I loved him those last couple of years in high school, got there, was like, this is going to be awesome. And then it was almost like too much for me. I was like, I like them.

I don't, I don't like them as much as you do though, I guess, you know, and then I'd have like kind of these different phases where like in the beginning, like Colonel Bruce and obviously widespread and some of the other stuff, like I just couldn't get enough of it. And then I think I like OD'd on it there for a little while. So discovering your stuff years later, like I just think I was ready for it. And that's what I really enjoyed about it. Like I, I got the heads up. I was kind of indifferent. I was like, I don't even know if I can do this all over again.

That might be like a different time in my life. And that's, you know, look, I have you on. So obviously I'm a fan and I don't want to seem like I'm totally kissing your ass here, but I do feel like you have found a way to stand out without like trying to stand out a little bit too much. I don't know if that makes any sense. I mean, I think it's a little I do feel like you have found a way to stand out without like trying to stand out a little bit too much. I don't know if that makes any sense, but when I feel like there are jams, jam bands in the past, you get kind of unfortunately thrown into that

bucket, but this is the way it works. Um, for some bands, like I'm just remember being younger, being like key change, dude, yeah, like see it, you know, like you're just such a dork about it cause you're younger and you're trying to tell people like, no, dude, there's a time change right there. It's what are you, it's three, you know? And you guys are clearly capable of doing any of those things, but I think what I've loved

about the stuff that I've listened to and what I've watched I was like, it really feels like the, the structure of it. Like this, you're not trying to show it really feels like the structure of it. Like you're not trying to show off even though you're capable of it. It just feels it's easy. Now again, I'm getting a little too deep here. I think you've discovered some kind of groove

that kind of works for everybody in the room and keeps the energy in a way that just works. And I think it's why you're standing out right now. I appreciate that a lot, man. Does that make any sense or did I just, you know? Yeah, yeah. I think so's why you're standing out right now. I appreciate that a lot, man. Does that make any sense or did I just, you know, I don't know. Yeah, yeah. I think so, you know. I know what you mean, I think.

Just pretend you do. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I'm with you. No, it's, you know, I guess a lot of, I think a lot of that stuff, it's like, you can try to force things, you can try to think about, okay, what would it be, like what kind of music, what kind of expression could we make that people would really like? You can do that, but it doesn't really work, I think.

I think it comes down to like what what is your what is your lens like what what are the things that affected you and what is it what are the ideas that you're having what are the things that come to you i know there's. I love fish obviously i love the dad i love old jazz i also love a lot of pop music like there's a lot of like. Good there's a lot of pop music that affects me that i just love a good. good, any, there's a lot of pop music that affects me that I just, you know, love a good song, love a good pop song, even when it's, you know, not all of it, obviously a lot of it's pretty wack, but there's, there's. But look, look, when Party in the USA came on, I didn't turn it down. What's that? Like I didn't, when Party in the USA came out, I didn't turn it down.

Like, you know what I'm saying? Like there are things, there are melodies that you can pretend you're resistant to, but like the right song structure is the right song structure. And that's, I think, you know, again, keep going. I've always just loved that. I always just love good songs. And obviously there's different styles. You know, there was like the pop punk phase I went through

when I was in sixth grade, whatever. I was listening to to all that stuff. But even then, they're just good songs and they're in the container of that style of music. There was a lot of good writing going on at that time, early 2000s, like the pop-punk thing. Just great hooks, great songs. I think that's even through the 90s, early two thousands and stuff, I'd hear things on the radio and just hear like an amazing hook and being like, oh my God, what is that? I need to know about that.

And then you go on Napster and try to find it like based on like a couple of lyrics you caught on the radio. Like the whole process was exciting at that time. So yeah, I mean, I just, good songs are hard, tight. So I was listening to the end of the mist and I mean, there was probably like eight different parts where I went Well that could work or that how often do you maybe find something in exploring some of the live versions where you go?

You know what that remember that part like that could be the foundation of another song because that happened Yeah, you know the nature of improvising a lot There's obviously doesn't always work, you know, there's lots of times it doesn't you don't find anything But when you do find things, it. There's lots of times it doesn't find anything. But when you do find things, it's like you can turn anything into a thing. Really, that's the goal, I guess, is to be composing in real time.

Is the search at least, whether you achieve it or not, it's a different story. But that's the intent, I suppose. So yeah, you know, whether you achieve it or not, it's a different story, but that's the, that's the intent, I suppose. So yeah, I mean, finding searching for good, for cool melodies and stuff while we're, while we're, you know, in a groove and a jam or whatever it is, that's, that's kind of the game. Can you explain to people that don't understand it? Like I, I'm asking a very layman approach here to the question of just the, I want to

ask a simple question and I wanna get me an awesome answer. So I'm not doing a very good. But like what's it like to write a song? Like are there different inspirational moments? Are there, hey, I wanna write a song about this thing I'm observing, I'm having, like what do you do? What is your process for figuring out how to get to the end point of a song?

There's so many different ways to do it. And there's so many different ways, different inclinations that different types of a song. There's so many different ways to do it and there's so many different ways, different inclinations that different types of people have. There's this guy, one of my best friends, Matt Campbell, that I write a lot of songs with that we've been working together since, we've been writing together since 2011, 2012. We started the band that kind of preceded Goose together. And just thinking about that, like we both have very different approaches to how we write naturally.

You know, our brains just work very differently and that happens to be a very symbiotic thing. We have a very synergistic relationship in that regard. But that's just like the first thing that came to mind because we really couldn't be more different in some ways in terms of how we approach writing. And a lot of people, like a lyrical idea might lead the charge and then they put it to music. I talked to Sturgeill, I guess that was earlier this year, I kind of met him and was hanging with him in Mexico in January this year. And it sounded like that's largely his process. He just wrote words, wrote some kind of story,

some kind of thing, and then just kind of put it to music. And that part, that aspect of it was easier for him. For me, music, there's a lot of music that has come. Writing a story or writing words to it is sort of the game that I need to play. That's the work of it for me, in a sense. I have a stockpile of a lot of musically just pretty fleshed out songs. So that's largely the process, but it's a mysterious thing by nature, which is the exciting part of it. That's what's interesting about it to me.

If there wasn't this mystery to it, I don't know if I'd be as compelled to do it maybe. But there's things that I'll work on for years and years and years and barely make any progress. And then there's, you know, sometimes in a day, you just write a thing and it's, you know, and it's, it feels good. Um, so it's, there's really no one way there's, there's so many ways you can come at it and maybe not, uh, I don't know if that's the answer you're looking for there, but it's good answer. No, it was a good answer. I, cause I'm not really sure how I want to ask but like anytime I think about somebody who's come up with something, you know, it's like, okay. Well, how did you come up with it?

I mean, that's just the right way to ask it, but you don't always get I thought that was a great answer You'd mentioned, you know the influence of fish and I think you just I've seen so many interviews where you get asked about them all the time I was like, how can I do this without sounding like every other interview? But I imagine there are moments with your success where you probably can feel like a little kid all over again and like, this is actually cool. Or the guys getting backstage after and being like,

that can't believe, was that the dead stuff in Mexico? Is it trade joining on stage? What are some of the moments that you allow yourself to like enjoy in the moment to remind you how cool this is despite the fact that yeah, it's a grind, it's tough, it's challenging and you're holding yourself to a standard. That's a tricky question. Um, you know, there's, yeah, it's hard to pinpoint those moments, but I, you know, I feel like they're often the things you don't, you wouldn't

expect them to be. For me, feeling connected to the band as people and ultimately, I just want to be drinking the Kool-Aid too. I want to be like, yeah, this is sick. There's a lot of work that goes into getting there and a lot of the time, I'm not necessarily buying it myself. So it's kind of like the work is getting to the point where it's like, okay, yeah, I believe I'm amped on what we just made or whatever it is. And I think being connected to the band and feeling connected to them all as people,

and we're having a really great time and the energy is good, the energy is right. Those are I think the best moments to me in a lot of ways. Yeah, we've had a lot of insane moments the last few years, you know, like the ones you mentioned and, you know, playing with these titans of our, of the world that we grew up in, you know. And it's wild, you know, getting to know them as people. They're like, oh yeah, they're humans. They're great humans, but they're still, sometimes you hang with them before the thing and you meet them and there's like all this, you know, anticipation and you meet them and there's like all this, this, you know, anticipate anticipation and you meet them and they're like, oh, they're just really like good,

nice people. That's awesome. And then you hang with them and then you go and play. You're like, oh shit, yeah, forgot. This is he's Trey. Like he's, he's like the guy, you know, that's it's, it's he had those moments, but you, you know, you're just hanging with them. You kind of almost forget, you know, it's like, oh, he's just a great guy.

It's awesome. Yeah. I think those are moments that are still important, but it's the way things are and the way life works, it's like, I can't act like this is that cool. Right? I can't. Like, all right, let me throw something at him and see how he comes back. So this is also something that's very common and it's happened to you,

but it happens where once everybody catches up to you, they're like, man, this happened overnight. You're like, oh, really? Did it? And you guys seem to be just labeled that, Hans, maybe it's because you're younger, maybe because you still look so young, but what is the reality of like when the moment broke

because we know that it wasn't overnight It's never overnight, especially for a band like Goose. No. Um, you know, I guess that summer of 2019 was when things really started changing Um, going into the fall of 2019 that was that was that was, you know, there was a couple sets Festival sets one in particular that we played that. Um, you know, the hype and kind of like building in in the smaller circuit at that point. But that was this one set, we played the peach festival and then put the video

out and the video gained a lot of traction. And then, you know, a bunch of weird stuff started happening. All just a bunch of weird stuff had started happening on its own. Like what? Like, we didn't know we didn't learn. I didn't hear about this until months and months later, but apparently on Phish Twitter, it became, there was like this meme thing going around in the late summer, early fall of 2019, where there were just all these goose memes going around, like funny, stupid goose memes. And I think a lot of people in the fish Twitter community were like, you know, okay, what's this joke? Like, who's this band? Are we just are we trolling? Is

this band like just royally suck and we're all just making fun of it? Like, what's what's what's going on here? And a lot of people went and, you know, then checked checked us out. And there was this, you know, this video that was gaining all this traction at that time. And I think that, you think that in some ways propelled things. And there was a bunch of things kind of like confluence of a bunch of different things at that time that ultimately is, I don't know how those things happened. It was pretty mysterious to me when you're a dumb kid

and setting out to do a band, in the early years, it's like, okay, yeah, this is gonna be sick, we're gonna play like one festival set, and then everything's gonna work out and it's gonna be great. And obviously, that didn't happen, that doesn't happen. So it was years and years and years of working at things and years where nothing was happening.

There was no band, there was nothing, and I was like, what am I doing? What do I do? How do I make it happen? You can't, you just keep working and I don't know. It's definitely a strange journey and certainly was not overnight. Why do you think it's worked the way that it has?

Cool and popular is a very tough combo to pull off. Cool and popular? Yeah. Are we cool and popular? a very tough combo to pull off. Cool and popular? Yeah. Are we cool and popular? I think you are. I mean, we'll see where this goes. You know what I'm saying? Like, you know, if somebody's like, oh, I actually love Goose, like, oh, very cool.

You know, like it's not, it's like, and then also, I don't know. I think it's a, like, whether it's clothing, whether it's public figure, like it's very tough to maintain kind of that lane. And that's where I think you are now. And I just wonder why you think, like do you ever talk about it with the other guys and go like, hey, this is why it worked? I mean, there's lots of, you know,

obviously a lot of thought went into a lot of things. And, you know, I could break down what our thinking was and what our strategy was and things like that. But ultimately, it feels like it's really not mine to say why, you know, people, you know, it's like you do what you do. And if people resonate with it, great. If they don't, then there's kind of nothing you can do about that. And we're just happened, I guess we've just been very fortunate that we've caught the right, we caught a good wave. A lot of people have, it seems like have found to come to think that it was a very

unnatural thing. The way things progressed over those couple of years where the ascent was pretty steep at certain points. A lot of the criticism is the opinion out there is that it was unnatural, i.e. funded and whatever, which wasn't the case. Right. But, you know, that it's, I don't know, you know, like we had a lot of ideas about how we wanted to do it and what we thought would be a good thing.

And, but ultimately you make what you make and, you know, it works. It works or it doesn't, but the point of it should not be whether or not it works, you know, in terms of people, you know, you growing a big fan base or something. The point of making something should be, does it fulfill you? Right. I'm just wondering, I'm sorry, I'm kind of stuck with, like if you have an album come out and you need like just like a book,

a review on the back, it's just cool and popular, Ryan Rosillo, I'll do that for you guys. If that's what you need. It feels like that SNL shit of the plays that were terrible. And I meant it as crafting like, you know, it's kind of hard to serve both, you know, because you come too popular, whatever. And then it just came out, I was like, God, I know, it's, it's kind of hard to serve both, you know, because you come to pop, it was like, oh, whatever. And then it just came out. It was like, God,

I know I feel like I'm talking to somebody half my age, which it's not entirely off. Um, I, I've Joe, go ahead, go ahead. Yeah. So sometimes I like to your point. So the success, I've the success can be a hindrance in some ways. Sometimes, you know, sometimes it's, it's hard to like, um, you know, I've definitely, there's definitely a thing with being cool. Like once you're popular, when something's popular, it doesn't, it's not cool to like it anymore. You know, right. Yeah. Definitely seen that take place to some extent, you know, everyone, everyone

likes the under the underground, like underdog kind of vibe, you know, Yeah. I was that guy. I mean, I would always try to counter with like, oh, you like them, you know who I actually like. Like I'm still arguing about Colonel Bruce, the Aquarium Rescue Unit. Like they actually were the most talented band. They're like, all right, they're insane.

Though they were, cause I'm right. But, yeah. This actually leads to a question that I want to finish with. So I'm going to just plug a couple of other things in there. I always looked at like cover bands, especially like when you're in Boston, like no bands work at Boston bars unless they were,

they could bang out, you know, the third eye blind, you know, like you had to have in your resume to be able to pull it. Cause people to having drinks, it's late, they want to hear songs that they could recognize, right? Not to say that there isn't like live independent music, like some of the Cebedo stuff and like all that stuff going back to the day. So look, I would hate like creatively if somebody was like, you know, who's great is Rousselo, he's in the best cover band ever. I'd be like, I'd rather not be able to play an instrument. Like if my only thing was I was just a cover band, but the great thing with

you guys is your original stuff is awesome and I think people love the covers. So what goes into picking the right cover for goose? Uh, for me, it's just an emotional thing, you know, or, or experiential thing, maybe more accurately is, um, you know, any, anything there's, there's kind of different categories of, of covers that we play. I would, I would say rock, rock the cast box. So much fun. Yeah.

There's so there's like, there's like the category of stuff that slaps, but also is maybe kind of a joke, you know? Yeah. It starts like that, but then the more I've listened to it, cause I, I'll admit it was a skip and then I went, I, it just stayed on the other day and I went, actually this fucking rips. I'm like, it just stayed on the other day. And I went, actually, this fucking rips.

I'm like, it's so good. And now I'm like, I don't know that I'm gonna stay with it forever. I don't think it's gonna be my entrance song, but yeah, once I kind of got used to it, and that was always like the big fish thing. It was like, ooh, what's the cover gonna be? What's the cover gonna be?

Because you wanna hear your favorite musicians play a song that you may also like that isn't theirs. And I just, I always wonder about that decision-making process. Mountain Jam probably isn't a pull, even though it's probably long enough for you guys. What's that? Mountain Jam? Yeah. Almond Brothers, Eat a Peach. It's like four minutes. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Right, right, right. That would be long for you guys.

I mean, yeah. Way better. But yeah, there's covers that we play that are, you know, darker or, you know, they're just like weird good songs that I love or that we've loved and that we want to play because we're inspired to play them, you know, whatever it may be. And then there's all this other stuff where it's like, there's a lot of funny music out there that is also sick. You know, there's a lot of, like a lot of these, like Loggins is kind of hilarious, but also amazing. Yeah, how about the soundtrack run that guy was on? Like if you think you only like a couple Kenny Loggins songs,

I'm here to tell you, you like 12 of them. Yeah. Like you don't even realize how many songs he's like. He's a perfect example. Yeah, he reigned supreme over the soundtrack scene, you know, for good reason. Like he just, you know, his hooks and stuff. It's, it's great. But then, you know, just like ripping logins, it's, I don't know if there's Elvis, same thing kind of, you know, it's funny, but it's also it's Elvis. I don't know. It's it's that whole thing is, uh, it's

kind of part of the fun of it. I guess the humor, the humor there. Yeah, I could see that. I could see that man. Loggins. God, just you guys like, Hey, welcome. Welcome to show tonight. We're doing the entire caddy shack soundtrack. No originals.

Thank you for coming out. We did do, we did do the caddy shack soundtrack at one point. Not in succession, but like we did a Caddyshack show. That'd be easy. There might've been two of them actually. Yeah. I always thought it'd be good to just do the 90210 anthem and just make it 10 minutes.

Yeah. Just work with that. That riff be the foundation of the journey, man. I'm gonna have to dig that up. We were in LA recently and I was like oh man remember 90210. I only know it because my sister watched it you know I was it was but yeah she what was the other one Beverly what was it the other one? Uh whoo we're talking about a 90210 spin-off or the hills? Not the hills I don't know. Laguna

Beach? No. Was there was Beverly Hills show? Um I don't know was Laguna Beach? No. Was there Beverly Hills? I don't know. Was there a spinoff? I look, I was locked in because I was the same year as those guys. So we went to high school and college together. So it was a big deal. Literally you knew, you knew them? No, just the same class. So when they graduated high school, that's when I graduated and then we all went to college together. And then my area code now is 90266, which would be huge in the nineties, but doesn't play as well now. People are like, why, why is that a thing? All right, last thought here.

So we've kind of touched on this a little bit and in the beginning with Dave and whatever, and that there's this potential runway where this is this all time thing and it goes for 30 years. And who do you know, like, but that's what everybody would think would want. Do you ever have moments you're like, wait, that actually scares the shit out of me a little bit? Not really. Really? I think the artists that I look up to, a lot of them

have paved their own way. I think if you're smart about this thing, it kind of seems like as time goes on, you build it around who you are as as, as people and what, uh, what your needs are as people and you know, if, if one can find balance amidst this lifestyle, um, that would be the goal. Maybe the thing to strive for. Yeah.

Maybe, maybe I'm projecting a bit too much though. Just like that. What do you, what do you like? Yeah. What do you mean? What, how do you see? Maybe it's my problem. projecting a bit too much though. Just what do you like? Yeah, what do you mean? How do you see? Maybe it's my problem. Maybe I have too much unrest. So that's where I could go. Oh Well, this is what I do now and I guess I'm good at it

But like is this really what you want to do? But my thing I mean sitting here behind a microphone or doing TV for ESPN is not nearly as fulfilling is Controlling the energy in a room for a couple hours live throughout the country. So I'm not comparing the two because one is clearly more fulfilling. I guess I'm just wondering if, if like already knowing what your future is or what it's supposed to be can ever, there can be a moment where you're like, what, I guess, okay, this is what I do. This is who I am, but this is like, I guess this is it. Like, I don't know. It sounds like there's limitations

to it and there wouldn't be limitations in music the way there would be in other walks of life. I guess I may be combining two things that shouldn't be compared. Um, yeah, I, I don't, you know, I don't, I don't feel like it is, it is a sure thing. Um, you know, things, I think things can fall apart at any point, you know? It all can go to shit at any point. So it's not like a... Yeah, there's still a lot of mystery in it to me. You know, the artists that I really look up to have evolved throughout their lives and

continue to push themselves. So that's the kind of thing that inspires me and makes me want to keep going is the unknown. So yeah, to me, music, there isn't a limitation on music, on what music can be. And how our lives evolve from that is, I don't know. That's not for us to know until we're, you got to just be, this is where we are now and that's just do the best we can with what we got, I guess.

But yeah, music, I guess driven to the unknown with that and, and, uh, hope the goal, the hope would be to just continue to evolve and uncover things and that feel good. And that, um, feel like, feel like, feel new. I know, you know, where you are right now, um, because you're home, but you're getting ready to head out on the road Get a nice big swing here and we'll we'll see in LA man at the end of September and I can't thank you enough for this time and Just getting to know you here for a few minutes. So thanks again Rick. Yeah. Thank you, man. Thank you for having me

Thanks for taking time. All right, check them out goose and like I said Maybe just grab a hoodie if you can't see him in concert. We are back and we are deeper than ever. Adding depth to the Alliance this year. War Gone in the mix as our fourth leg. Last year, the overall Alliance numbers were good. The collective was not. What do you mean? I had a rough start. I figured out mid season that the point was like, dude, you

know, you want all the legs to hit. Like, don't just don't just throw out a cool one. That was sort of mid mid season. We figured that out. Midway. Embarrassing on air. I guess I knew it, but I was just he was just like, why is this weird Florida state, why are you making them do this? It's definitely gonna crash it. So once I kind of got that under,

I think maybe we won a few alliances together. Wait, so what did we do well with? Oh, we did, Saruti won the NBA alliance, right? I did. I think I started like one in 10 in college. That was pretty bad. Yeah, all right, nevermind, nevermind in college. That was pretty bad. Yeah. All right.

Nevermind. Nevermind. Nevermind. So you won the NBA. So the most recent thing was positive. That's what I was thinking about it. And I think our overall NBA numbers, the collective of the was good. Hitting was, was, was good.

College football. You're right. You two guys had a rough season and I came in Captain 500 again, right? I think we hit week one and then we just didn't hit for like basically 10 straight weeks. Yeah. But I think we hit twice last year. So it's not so much about what you're wagering. It's more about support for just like in our vibe. Yeah. So that's what we really like about.

Yeah. It's about friendship, mentoring. That is really the friends you make along the way. Yeah, the journey. There we go. Rich in friendship. Oregon, you're a Penn State fan. Do you hate doing this podcast? I hate it, yeah.

He did like the Hakenberg nugget though, so that was good. Of course. So fired up. Talk about Hackenberg. Where do you actually think I'm being a dick when I talk about Penn State? No, I feel the same way. They can't beat anybody. Thank you. That's why we like work on.

Yeah. There you go. I didn't even know that I had this whole time. I knew he was a Penn State fan. I had no idea if he was like, oh cool, Rossello's doing the other Penn. And the problem for Penn State fans, it has nothing to do with Penn State.

It has everything to do with any team that has that resume that now will be eligible for a college championship. That's my whole point. It's the same way as I thought LSU going, you were gonna be arguing, if it were 12 teams last year and people would have said, oh, LSU is in the mix, I'd be like, why? So same thing, they did beat Missouri though,

which would have been the best win for Penn State's entire season, but we're just not gonna get into that. 24, return and leap, ready to go, see if Aller can get that confidence back, see if the receiver gets the separation, positive vibes, new OC, let's go. All right, who wants to go first?

Let's let Wargon go first. Or Sarudy. Or let me just lay out the parameters too. No, I'm just gonna lay out the rules. Yeah, let's do that first and then Wargon can go. But basically, so yeah, last year we did three picks, this year we're doing four, that's Wargon's getting in the mix. It'll be a four leg every single week,

four leg part way. Bigger payout. Well, so we're gonna try to get to like the plus 450 range, right? So we're gonna take some all totals. Yeah, you know, you don't have to bet like, so all of ours were either all or money line things. So did so well last year making it harder. Yeah, let's just see. Exactly. We just like to test ourselves. Um, good care. So yeah, four bets. We're going to watch you kick us off because you're taking Penn State. Yeah. I hate to make the Homer pick week one, but Penn State minus three and a half, like the numbers too good only minus 200.

They have not beaten a team, not in the top 10 by three and a half since like 2022 research research. Yeah. I like that they're in at West Virginia, but I think they can get it done. I'm still a little high on drew Aller. We'll see. Okay. Okay. Kyle. Uh, Kyle. All right. Well, I got no research for you. I'm still a little high on drew Aller. We'll see. OK, OK. Kyle, uh, Kyle. Alright, well I got no research for you. I'm sorry.

I'm glad we added a research guy to this. I'm just going off friendship and vibes and considering all that I'm taking LSU to beat USC minus 184 just a money line. They just got to win. We're not worried about points or anything. So there you go. OK, well then I'll take the, took the LSU pick. Mine's kind of the opposite of friendship or just in just got to win. We're not worried about points or anything. So there you go. Okay. Love that. Took the LSU pick.

Mine's kind of the opposite of friendship or just in vibes in general. I'm not really a big Notre Dame guy. I don't really like Notre Dame with all the respect to Michael Jr. Love you, but just, I'm just not a Notre Dame guy. But I, and having said that, I'm going to just take their all spread. So there, I think what two and a half a point, they're getting two and a half points or three and a half points against A& and M at a and M. I'm gonna kick that up to six and a half So Notre Dame plus six and a half, I think they keep it close I think they they might lose but it's not by more than a touchdown

Okay So I think the outline emphasis is gonna be big this year trying to figure out a way to stay in this with the four legs so I've said at the beginning of the season, I feel like I'm just going with Miami to zag against everyone going. Yeah, I really like the team like the quarterback There's a lot of stuff I really like about him, but they can't ever figure it out because the Georgia Tech game Like alright, I know it was one of the most embarrassing ways to lose a game however Against Florida who their schedule is so brutal that

Their win total has been probably lower than maybe what people even think. So this even maybe sounds like I'm going with the Gators here of like, Hey, Gators would be home, SEC, all that kind of stuff. But let's all line this because I believe Miami's favored by two and a half as of this taping. So let's flip it the other way. So Rudy to Miami plus two and a half and plug in the numbers and let us know what we have. Yeah. So again, LSU, Moneyline, Penn State,

minus three and a half on the all, Notre Dame plus six and a half on the all, and Miami plus two and a half on the all. Those four legs get you to plus 467, boys. Let's do it. Right back to where we started. I love it. All right. And you can find our Alliance tab

up on the Fanjul Sportsbook page, correct? Yep, app, website, wherever you want to find it, they'll be up. Okay, app, which is even easier than jumping on the old laptop. But, all right. I think I got a phone number too, if you want. And then let's make sure that we bet on this too.

Make sure we bet on this and then not keep track of it and never actually put anything on the bet because I think that is a yearly tradition or seasonal tradition where we say, all right, whoever comes in last or whatever has to do something and we never keep track of it so let's just keep that rolling too as well. Listen I kept track of the NBA one last year that's why we know that I won so. What did you get a sandwich or something? I forget. I didn't get anything I got I got a I don't know I get email. No no one's doing anything wrong we we are all we're not

saying okay winner gets this from the other guys. Yeah, whatever. I mean, you keep saying dinner, but we're not gonna hang out. Let's be real. Yeah, maybe Philly. We'll figure it out, future live show. Well, Philly, we'll be out of time.

Are we all gonna be there at Philly? We actually are, we're gonna be out of time. We're gonna be there. There's always time for a cheesesteak in Philly, I'll tell you that. I have stuff going on, so I might not even stop. Oh, cool, cool, yeah. Cool, yeah. He's treating it like a solo trip. I have stuff going on, so I might not even stop. Oh, cool.

He's treating it like a solo trip. I'm taking this segment next week. I'll tell you right now. All right. I love it. I love the confidence, just fresh, new, new car smell. There you go. The week one Alliance picks for college football.

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The email address, lifeadvicerr at gmail.com. We've got Kyle, we've got Saruti. We're getting an awful lot of feedback here. So let's, um, let's just do one. Cause the travel pod stuff is still coming in. Punch a mountain biker. Steady street. I could, I could probably do an hour on, on travel pod.

Queer follow ups. Uh, do a Friday feedback. My fiance, give it a couple of weeks. We'll do a Friday feedback. My fiance. Give it a couple of weeks, we'll do a Friday feedback only on your travels. This one just came in, so I read it, and I was like, I'll just share it. My fiance has a trip with her mom to San Sebastian

coming up, naturally I sent her a travel bloggers podcast for tips, she has never listened to the show, wanted to share her reaction below, quote, "'This San Sebastian podcast you sent me sucks D. Wow. Okay. All he does is talk about how small the food portions are in the gyms. It's like insane.

And then she actually named the guy that was videotaping himself. She knows who he is. I think he is literally talking about blank in the gym in San Sebastian. There's like, there's a million Michelin stars around you. Um, the listener sent a very hearty thank you to us. Uh, there's also a bullfight in there just for her. You know, history at the beginning. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. Nice to get an outside perspective, I guess. Yeah, right, it keeps you, it keeps the edges sharp, right? Yeah, I will be better next time, am I right? Um, I do think it's funny though, like somebody who doesn't listen to the pod and is like this American complaining about food portions.

Can you imagine? Like that's like, you know, it's like, cool. Oh, you don't like top of food, dude. Why don't you just go eat at Cracker Barrel? Like that, that is like the American stereotypes. Like they don't give me a food dude. Like, you know, this place you're too small. Yeah.

What do you do come here and not tip motherfucker. So, uh, yeah, look, we appreciate all the feedback. Yep. Get a couple sorority ones here. I'm not even going to get to. All right. Yeah. look, we appreciate all the feedback. Yeah. We got a couple of sorority ones here that I'm not even gonna get to. All right. There we go. Good job.

Uh, all right. On the travel theme, I don't even know if this works. 66, 250, 26 year old, pick up basketball comp, late career, Al Harrington, pick and pop threes until my knees give out. I have the opportunity to go to Toronto for a weekend in November for some pseudo solo travel. So I figure why not seek out the advice of those prolific solo

traveler in the Northern hemisphere. It's pretty high ranking. My girlfriend has tickets to see Taylor Swift in Toronto. By the way, I was trying to figure out the last time I went on a trip with someone. It's so embarrassing. It's so, cause somebody asked me, they were like, let's run through it. You know, let's, let's run through it. Let's go through it.

And he was like, take out a pen. And I listed all of these places and he's like, okay, but when did you go somewhere with someone? Now cross out all the ones where you weren't allowed. Right. It's I'll make excuses and say stuff like, wow, you know, I can't bring anybody. The travel pods are really important. We stuff like, well, I can't bring anybody. The travel pods are really important. They're like, yeah, okay.

Some people think I became a screenwriter just because I'm by myself all the time. I was like, I might as well do something with this fucking time. Doug enters hallway. All right. I have the opportunity to go to Toronto. My girlfriend has tickets to see Taylor Swift in Toronto November 16th. I was originally planning to go to Toronto, not the concert with her,

just to explore the city while she was out. The plan was to do so with her friend's boyfriend. Unfortunately, they all ended deciding not to go for one reason or another. At least that's what I originally thought. That is until I listened to yet another fantastic Rassolo travelogue upon finishing the latest installment. I wondered what a solo trip to Toronto could be like. I don't know much about the city in terms of things to do,

but I have heard the food is great due to the diverse makeup of Toronto. I think that checks out. Look, the last time I was in Toronto, it was like negative four degrees Kelvin. It was so fucking cold. It's the kind of cold that induces laughter. So I went to one all-star.

Yeah, I went to one all-. Yeah, I went to one all star thing. The celebrity thing where that guy from that band. I mean, you think I take things too seriously. That guy. Oh, you're talking about the arcade fire guy. Yeah, just a million shots. Yeah, then I think he dumped on America at the end of it too. He did, yeah, state of steel.

Yeah, put it out. Yeah, perfect. Put it out quickly, remember that? Yeah. Yeah. Put it, put it. Yeah, perfect. Put it that quickly, remember that? Yeah. Perfect combo. Brand. So yeah, and then I went to one party,

Jalil Okafer, incredibly, incredibly friendly. Shaq, always the best when he enters the room. But I bolted and got out of there pretty quick. It was that cold. So I don't have a ton of Toronto on my resume. So look, I'm open to starting to try some new things and openly have admitted that I've shied away from traveling outside my comfort zone in the past. While she is technically going with three friends, in theory, all they have is the concert. They do have some other stuff planned. I can't join in on at this point, along with some other stuff I have no interest in joining

for. I'd be honest with you, this one doesn't really clear the Rossello hurdle of solo travel. Your girlfriend's going to be there the entire time. I imagine you're getting a room together unless you have the weirdest relationship ever where you're like, I actually just want to go on this. So I guess my question boils down to this. Should I stay or should I go? If I do go to Toronto, does anyone of the crew have any suggestions for Toronto? No, you're not.

Trip advisor. We try to emphasize that. I don't, and again, I'm not, I'm not schooled enough in it. Although there's this waterfront area, oak something perhaps that I heard is like one of the nicest places to live in the entire Northern hemisphere.

That's funny. Right after you're like, I got nothing, you were like, there is this area. I don't even know if I have the town name right. If we can get tech on a map right now, I believe it's, it's east of the city. Uh, and it's this town that's a group. But then what do you do? You take an Uber there 40 minutes and then you walk around the town and eat a sandwich you

could have just had in Toronto. So, you know, sometimes that happens to me too, is I get really adventurous. Like when I was on. Oh, Vancouver Island. I made a mistake on Tuesday. It's when I was in Victoria and I wanted to go, I think it's to Fino the surf village.

And I went, okay, I'm definitely going to go to the go, I think it's Tofino, the surf village. And I went, okay, I'm definitely going. And then I looked at it, it was like, okay, you're going to spend $500 in one way or round trip Uber to get here because your rental car is on the other side of the mainland where you took the ferry over and you're going to do what? You're going to read a book there and have a sandwich for $500. Like that's, things aren't going that well. All right.

So I realized it's not that far from the crown jewel or Rossello's old stomping grounds in Burlington. Dude, Toronto to Burlington is an entire, that's international travel. Yeah. What are we talking about? Have you ever been by yourself? Like what the fuck are you doing? I'm sure a worldly man such as Sarutti has some wisdom delivered here too.

Most of all, what are your tips for solo travel? So I think we get to solo travel tips, but I gotta be honest with you, your planning is making mine look like, you know, the guys from Bottle Rocket, once Dignan picks up Lou Wilson. I saw that movie, I just don't remember what you're talking about.

No one's gonna get that reference. The very few that do, you're welcome. All right, the next 25 years. I don't like our guys. I like our guy. I don't think he's being very realistic about it. And he's going there with his girlfriend. Anyway, so like, what are you, you're gonna go to Vermont from Toronto

because she's going to a concert? Well, he must think it's Montreal. That's, he doesn't even know what Canada he's going to a concert? Well, he must think it's Montreal. He doesn't even know what city in Canada he's going to. What if he's... Now Montreal, I've got you... Well, I don't know that I have you updated covered, but I love Montreal and the surrounding areas, old town. Beautiful, just an entirely different experience.

Toronto is nothing like Montreal. I don't think, I don't know if anybody. I had a great time in Toronto at that trip. It was freezing when you went outside. It was so cold. Your eyes hurt, but Adnan was there, which was cool. He took me to a Poutine place. I think my, my wife was there.

She was my girlfriend. So that was fun. Didn't go solo. What Poutine with Adnan or the word wife. Pick one. No, that was fun. Didn't go solo. What? Poutine with Adnan or the word wife. Pick one. No, Adnan was great. It was great because Adnan was so pumped to just show people around. You know, you know how he doesn't do drugs.

Excited. I, he doesn't do drugs. He didn't even drink. If he, if you didn't know him, when you saw him in the lobby of the hotel in Toronto, we were doing those shows. If you didn't know him, you'd'd be like your friend has a huge cocaine problem It was like take a breath dude, he was excited, you know, you're in his hometown terrible NBA fans

well, I Don't hate me anymore. So I'm gonna stay out of that one. Yeah, yeah. I love that your feet are still planted on that. That's cool. What do you got, Kyle? This is something you would do. You would go to a city with your wife and then be like, okay, now we're not together.

But you're going back to the same room, so I don't, yeah. Well, I do this pretty much every time we go somewhere. It's usually like, I do it in Philly, which shout out to you guys soon. But I pretty much like, just, I'm just like, I'm going to go, I'll be gone for a little bit. She's like, he always does this. And her sister and her long time boyfriend are like, he just leaves?

I'm like, yeah, I just I get to lay the land Sunday. I told you last time Sunday, football Sunday, they were like only had the Eagles games on everywhere I went, like huge bars, many TVs. So like I do a little exploring, but I can't like it's not like I'll see you tomorrow. It's like, I'll see you in five hours. Please don't be mad.

So yeah, I don't really have a lot to say and I got nothing on Canada. It's just not the same thing. It's just not the same thing as Ryan's thing. Look, if you really wanna take, look, you wanna go on the trip and you're right, it isn't the same thing. So we can put that one to bed. But I, a major city, like I'm sure there's like,

none of it, look, what you have right now is three guys that don't know anything about Toronto, trying to tell a guy what he should do in Toronto. So why don't we just stop talking? Yeah. Next. All right. All right.

Blind one here. Pistons versus nets honeymoon. 62 205, former player in the NBL, still currently play in the NBL one, second tier Australian league. So we got a real baller on our hands here. And I mean that, you know, go breakers. Who's ball break his ball? A player comp.

Maybe you can judge and give me one. Say whoever you want. Be as honest as you want. Well, we're not gonna have time for that right now, but look, he sent us highlights here where he got 30 points in a game against Penrith. Keep that link in his notes app, I bet. Yeah.

Pull that shit out. This is actually, I'm really excited about this. All right, so my partner and I are getting married the end of October, we're going to America for our honeymoon, going to New York, Nashville, Vegas. Basically making it our last big party holiday. You do like to party, I guess. Yeah, the South Beach book.

So our last big party holiday before we come back to Australia to start a family. I'm a diehard Pistons fan and I mean diehard. I really mean it. I think I watched 75 at 82 games last year, which you could say is crazy, but I try defending myself saying it's because games from the East coast start at 10 AM here. And it's easy to watch the background at work. That's what I tell myself, even though I know I'm an idiot.

I remember when I was a kid and fell in love with Ben Wallace having the same name. I thought he was the coolest man alive, still do. And ever since the Iverson for Billups trade, it's been a tortured 15 years. So we know who this guy is. Yeah, he does. Okay. Great. Actually, if I had 30 in an NBL game, I'd tell everybody too.

So major, this guy's approval ratings going through the roof here. Now we're on our honeymoon. Amazingly, the Pistons are in New York, but they're playing the nets. It's Sunday, the 3rd of November in New York has got a shitload of events at the same time as the afternoon Pistons game. New York Marathon, commanders at Giants, Islanders, Rangers at the Guard. My partner, she's the best because she knows how much I love the Pistons. And she said, we can get great seats and happy to spend a bit of money on the tickets. Nothing in the $1,000 range preferably.

I was wondering if you guys think tickets are such a game will get relatively cheap. Yes. Yes. Not gonna be a problem, dude. Absolutely. I think you're gonna be able to get some tickets to that one. I can't see as many people rushing to see

the exciting starting four matchup of Tobias Harris versus Phinney Smith. I just wanted to ask you guys, when's the best time to buy tickets to a shit event like this? Still 3000 for courtside tickets at this rate. And I'm wondering if that price will stay the whole time or closer to the day to the tickets get much. Hey, this guy loves the pistons.

He's talking courtside court side seat for an NBA game is maybe the best seat. In sports. It really is. And Stern used to say that. And, you know, when he said it, you go, okay, well, clearly he's talking his business up, but I mean, he's right. I don't, I don't really know what would be better

than that. Unless maybe front row to bullfight, but then someone would argue it's the worst seat. It's the worst seat you could have. So I know it's like, look, this guy loves basketball. He's playing professionally. He sold us all on how much he loves the pistons. So courtside seats to get to see the pistons in person when he doesn't live here and it's part of the honeymoon swing.

Like I don't want to get into your finances here, but it's still a pretty, pretty big commitment. Um, isn't there Sean, is there any Sean Marks connection? Right. Like, could you, I don't know. Anyway. All right. So, uh, if he, he's asking, he thinks the price, I think that price will go down.

I really do. I who's buying, what are the chances of court side seat for the nets goes up from August to November, especially a Pistons game? No disrespect like the private no disrespect. Yeah, they'll probably be better, but they're not going to be great. I think you waited out. What's the worst that happens? You don't sit court side. You still go to the game. You have good seats somewhere else. I don't know. Yeah, I think I trick

myself sometimes into like. I really hoping for the good thing, but I'm telling myself sort of like when video games were loading back in PS2, I just tell myself I don't care, so it goes faster. So maybe you play it, like you tell yourself you're going to sit in the 100 section, mid court sort of deal, and then you just check as you get closer, you're like, fuck, look at this, court side, we can do it, we can pull it off.

But then if you don't, then you're like, oh, I was always gonna sit courtside anyway. I say, just trick yourself. You're going to have a good time either way. You sound like you're a Pistons maniac. We just said we're not TripAdvisor and here we go. Cause you got one more other follow-up, but I think this is important.

And also what would be the better college football game to attend? Yeah. South Carolina at Vanderbilt, no. Even though Vanderbilt stadium is going through renovations of their stadium. So the atmosphere won't be as good. It won't be as good because it's Vanderbilt. Don't know what to tell you.

I hope we don't ever have Nate Bargat's back. I've been almost everywhere. It's not good. However, it's 15 minutes from my hotel or Mississippi State at Tennessee, which I think the atmosphere is amazing. However, it's two hours, 30 minutes. Well, look, if you really want to experience SCC football, look, when Tennessee is right,

I'd put it up there with just about everybody. And let's see here. Is Tennessee on like a lake or something? Is that them? It's a river, I believe. Okay, a river, but it's like big. It's like right there though, right? Vol Navy?

Yeah, it's right there, sort of. I mean, it's not right there in the way that like the Huskies situation is like one of the most beautiful backdrops going. I would say that to echo the Tennessee thing, if you really want, you know, you're going to, you're doing New York, you're in Nashville, you're doing Vegas. Like if you take the drive to Knoxville, you kind of get like the lay of the land of like rural America in a way. I think that's that's a cool little side trip, little side quests you have on the honeymoon. So I, I am all for that.

Yeah. Maybe some civil war stuff along the way too. So just double checking what the maps are saying here. I mean, look, I know how tempting it is to say, well, Vandy's just down the street from my hotel. Like, why would I want to do this? It's just, it's not, you're going to go back to Australia. It'd be like, it's just going to be going like this.

SEC things, the most overrated thing ever. I don't know what the hell those guys are talking about. Get ready for more emails boys. Bring it on. They know, they know the truth. Yeah. Two 40 great baseball. Yeah.

Great baseball program. There you go. So core guys legend. Look, when Bushman brought baseball. Yeah, great baseball program. There you go. So Corbin. Legend. Look, when Bushman brought me and Grant and I went to Missouri Vandy, and he was like, just so you know, I hope your expectations are in the right space here.

Tempered. Yeah. And I'll admit, when I walked through all the fraternities, I was kind of like, this is going off. And he's, yeah, but now they're not going to go to the game. Oh, I'm just thinking too, if he, if he does, if he goes to a nets game of Vandy college football game, and then maybe he tries to sneak in like a Raiders game in Vegas, where I don't think they have a ton of fans there either. That's a tough, that's three tough trips for like check this fear. Check with the Rays or the Rays still playing.

Uh, the 87. All right. Yeah. Right. No, I don't think, I don't think there'll be valid to be postseason. So it's true. True. Be around.

Yeah. Oh, don't worry about that. I say if, if money, like everything's sort of a budget here. That'll be post-season. So it's true. True. Don't be around. Yeah. Don't worry about that. I say, if money, like everything's sort of a budget here, is it really gonna be worth the court side deal? You can probably wait it out. Maybe get baseline court side a lot later.

But there has to be some kind of, I mean, if you played, can't you just say you guys are both scouts? Media passes. That's true. I mean, Sean Marks was born't you just say, you guys are both scouts? Media passes. That's true. I mean, Sean Marks was born in New Zealand. There has to be, maybe there's bad blood. Wants this to go.

With the football thing, I would take the temperature of your wife. Like, is she gonna be up for a two hour trip from wherever you're staying or maybe not? I don't know. She's already sounds like she's really cool with this pistons nets thing. So I don't know. I'd maybe take the temperature of the strip itself at that point.

Yeah. The, uh, the river there is right. The Tennessee river is like right next to downtown and, uh, all that stuff. You see it right when you go through. I, I like Knoxville when it's, uh, I like when Tennessee's, you know, and all that stuff. You see it right when you go through. I like Knoxville when it's, I like when Tennessee's, you know, Tennessee's in that, in that tier of schools where you wonder, like is this ever gonna be what it was there for a while?

Tennessee used to have these kind of different advantages with some of the TV stuff. Like whenever you look at like the downfall of some of these programs that were like decade long runs, but I'll just say as a neutral observer of things. I like when the Tennessee Vols are in it. Maybe it's just a uniform in the stadium. Okay.

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