The Ryen Russillo Podcast - Hurley Turns Down the Lakers and What Makes a Great NBA Coach. Plus, Life Advice and More With Joy Taylor!

Episode Date: June 11, 2024

Russillo starts the pod by examining why Dan Hurley may have turned down the Lakers job (0:37). Then, Ceruti and Kyle join the show for another edition of the Alliance (16:10). Finally, a special edition of Life Advice with Joy Taylor (19:05)! This guy I know says he has a boat but I’ve never seen it … does this boat exist? Check us out on YouTube for exclusive clips, live streams, and more at https://www.youtube.com/@RyenRussilloPodcast The Ringer is committed to responsible gaming. Please check out rg-help.com to find out more, or listen to the end of the episode for additional details. Host: Ryen Russillo Guest: Joy Taylor Producers: Steve Ceruti, Kyle Crichton, and Mike Wargon Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

On today's episode, Danny Hurley turns down the Lakers. What does it mean? Well, I'll try to figure that out as we go through all sorts of different scenarios and what this means for the Lakers. We've also got Joy Taylor talks some finals. Her love of the Boston Celtics, not true. But more importantly, she's going to do a bunch of life advice emails for you guys out there and some gals as well. And we've got the Alliance. Hooray. That's the sound of unaged whiskey, transforming into Jack Daniel's Tennessee whiskey in Lynchburg, Tennessee.

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doesn't sit right. Whether it was the JJ stuff building and who was reporting that and how accurate any of that was. And then the last minute pivot and who was reporting that and how accurate any of that was. Then the last minute pivot from Hurley knowing that he had a contract on the table from Yukon like what went into this. But there's a lot of different ways I want to talk about this subject. So we know that the offer was six years, 70 million. The salary put him at about 11.7 million per year, which would be fifth in NBA salary.

So it is the Lakers. I don't care who you are, basketball life or Lakers, that kind of salary. But did the salary need to be more to actually close the deal for Hurley? Well, apparently so, or maybe just you kind of still continues to be the right fit for him at this point in his life. But when I think about Hurley to the Lakers and what it would mean, I always like talking about how we talk about coaches. And I would say that for the most part, when we talk about head coaches in football and in

basketball, we were incredibly simple. I don't really know why that happens or why it's so hard for us. I'll admit, I have a hard time knowing emphatically like, hey, this coach was really bad tonight or this coach conversely was really good. Whenever you're bringing in a new head coach to replace the former person, clearly there was something wrong for the other guy to be fired. And I think more often than not, it has nothing to do with what happens

within basketball games. It just means over the course of multiple seasons, the players tune them out. And with players that are this special, for any time you're managing or having to manage people that are this talented, it just means that eventually they're gonna kind of like believe that they're always right

and that you're always wrong. And that means there's gonna be a lot of turnover in that profession. And that's what we have in coaching. But there's a couple of different things that happen with the way we talk about it. One is the kind of don't screw it up approach, which is probably no better example in basketball than the Mark Jackson, Steve Kerr approach or that transition where it's like, okay, this is a good team, things turned around with

Mark Jackson, but man, it feels like there's another level that we can't really seem to get to and it got proven out pretty quickly with Kerr. I mean, that's like one of the all time examples. And you even have guys that are on the team then, still on the team that were there for both that were like, yeah, they've, I think they've been nice about how they've mentioned how much that improved the overall situation. Then you have the coaches that outperform expectations. So those guys have to be good, right? I mean, Spolstra is the best example of outperforming expectations.

I think the 23 heat run is one of the most impressive runs by a team in modern playoff history, because I just don't think that team was that good. And they're playing for an NBA championship, even over the course of the games at Denver, the gap like finally showed up the way I kept thinking he was going to show up throughout the East. But we know Spoh was really good. I think he's the best, but why do I think he's the best?

Because they throw a ton of zone in there and be like, Oh man, look at all the zone that they're running. All right. Well that's good. Cause I guess zone is good. And if Spoh does it more than everybody else, that means guys are more prepared. And that means he's the best coach. Look, there's enough basketball people that I respect. I think he's the best coach that also helps me inform my opinion on that. You could also go with the heat culture

element. And I'm not saying that in any snarky way whatsoever, because there's a real development success story that seems to happen with the heat that other teams want to emulate. But is that a Spoh thing or is that a development thing? Whatever. There's a lot of factors there that are in his favor. We start talking about the really good coaches. Um, Missoula apparently is good now. Right. I mean, he has to be, he's in the NBA finals.

Now I like Missoula, but I also don't know. Necessarily like why I may be because I was pushing back on all the people that just thought he was bad. Because I'll tell you right now, if he was giving you those quotes and winning 30 games and not 60 games, the public would be like, this guy's terrible and he's not even ready for it. But since Missoula is in the NBA finals, two games away from winning a title, he's just, he has to be kind of with the way we do this default, a really good head coach, Doc Rivers, who I think is a good coach for the right team and older team with veterans guys with real status in the league, not younger players, but Doc, I don't even think he's allowed to be considered a good coach anymore because of the resume.

And the resume stuff can always get in the way of really getting through the weeds of this. It gets back to that simple thing Well, if this coach has done this and this other coach hasn't done that then that coach can't be better than the coach It's done it. This is gonna go away because of Lucas Ascension and whatever could potentially happen, especially if they were to come back and win a title against the Celtics We know Lucas is gonna be the best player in the world on all the shows the next morning But let's go back to a time that isn't that long ago where Trey Young makes an Eastern conference finals. Luca makes a Western conference finals. They put up both huge stats. Luca has a disappointing season last season.

Trey's had multiple disappointing seasons with this team and you're like, well, how much of a gap is there really between those two guys? Because your podcast didn't slow down. They've only made it to a conference finals and here are the stats and here's the bad year. It's like you really think that those two guys are even in the same fucking solar system. You do. But that's what happens with resumes. So if I were continuing the exercise, I remember at one point I was like,

okay, so you're always looking at the coaching stuff that annoys you, the way coaches are talked about. You find somebody that isn't that good record wise that doesn't have a deep playoff resume that you think is a good coach. I was like, you know what? I like the stuff Terry Stotz runs. I remember that epiphany when I was watching trailblazers just, just happened. He was there nine years.

They won 56% of the games. He won 35% of his playoff games. He also must be doing something right in these interviews. There have to be some of these coaches that everybody collectively comes to the point like this guy's an idiot. Like why? Cause they haven't, they don't have a good team and they haven't won or maybe they had a decent team because they had Dame and there's stuff I liked

about Portland, but you get the point. Like I was making myself find a coach one season where I go, let's find somebody that has no resume where you're like, I actually like a lot of the stuff that they do. I like a lot of the stuff that they run, but maybe even the X's and O's aren't the full part of the daily routine of it. But he was there almost an entire decade. Uh. The out coach thing, the default out coached after somebody wins or loses a series,

it will always annoy me until people can be more specific. How did you come to that conclusion? What happened in the series where you think the coach that lost was out coached? Because we get really predictable about playing the results with this stuff. Let's say somebody experiments with a rotation. These five guys barely played together. That five-man group had played 12 minutes all regular season and

they lost. Well then you're an idiot. But if you changed up your rotations and played five players together in a playoff game that never played before and you won, that would mean it was great coaching and that you were experimenting. Last second shots. Decoy decoy, wide open look on like a second option miss. Why are you having him take the shot? Step back three, contested by three different players from 30 feet from the star. Coach put his players in the right position. You lose a playoff game, didn't have the guys ready, win a playoff series, had the guys ready to play. Development team drafts, a can't miss lottery pick makes the all star

team in his third season. This coach can now develop talent. Same team, different lottery pick and absolute reach. The guy stinks. Wasn't going to be good anywhere. If you're losing, that means that coach can't develop. Why am I bringing up all of this stuff? Well, would Hurley have made any difference with the Lakers?

Okay. And let's get this on the record. I love him. I love watching his team at UConn play. It's so clear that there's a level of respect that almost is a little touch of fear. I think a little touch of fear is good that you feel like you have to do it for your coach, that you want to be accountable. Maybe we can throw a couple different descriptors on that. But I think just a little bit of fear, which is probably really rare at any level of college, certainly pro sports right now, but just something where you feel like I need to

execute this the way that he would approve. I think that's still important, although kind of rare and Hurley had that at Yukon. I don't know. You're going to have that in the NBA. Uh, he's a glass, dayberry guy, as you know, and if you're just learning this, I got some history there. Grandparents are buried there. Father played high school basketball for the Hawks, was a standout in the early 60s.

I lived there. They have the best Mexican food I've ever had. And Saruti, our guy, a Glastonbury native of hell, two guys I grew up with, I think plow his driveway. So I'm a little biased. I'm always going to root for Hurley. But I think mostow his driveway. So I'm a little biased. I'm always going to root for Hurley. But I think most of us would agree that even with Hurley being better than Darvin Ham, which I think most of us are okay admitting,

what is he actually coaching this year with this Lakers team? They went 47 and 35. They were a seventh seed granted in a packed Western conference. But that's with 71 games for LeBron, somehow at 39 years old, playing the most games that he played in six seasons and Anthony Davis playing 76 games, which is one more than his career high ever played in 12 years. So you want to bet on that happening again? The new third guy. Okay. This imaginary yet obtainable new third guy, which the Lakers, I think if they want to do it, can find that guy.

Now there's some Reeves trade where I think, Hey, you're probably going to regret that one where other players on this imaginary list, I probably shouldn't call it imaginary, but I think you get the point of the exercise. This, this guy who we don't know who he is yet. If the Lakers just go all in, which I think they'll have to with LeBron at 39 going into 40, whoever that they're going to, there's some people in a Reeves transaction where I go, okay, that one would make some sense. So now you've got a new third guy, but you have the same health.

You have the early fairy dust on top of it all. What's the best thing you can do with that group? Is it a four seed? And the bus family who would I'd say as great as they've been with the Lakers, they're not one of the more loaded families. So they're going to pay 70 million for what exactly again? Now, maybe they just wanted something different. Maybe they wanted something at the coaching level where it felt like they

were just showing how serious they were. For Hurley to turn this down, by the way, I've seen this written that it's some massive embarrassment for the Lakers. I just don't see it that way. Shouldn't you think it's great that they were proactive and tried to go get the number one guy in college right now and they think it'd be a right fit and that Hurley and LeBron could get on the same page? Even though I still think the demeanor of Hurley at the NBA level, like after 82 games,

that might be something you'd have to dial down a little bit. I don't blame the Lakers for trying it. I don't blame the Lakers for not having it work out. I don't know what would have changed is I guess the money, apparently if Hurley has a deal on the table, it's six years and 50 million, but it isn't signed yet based on some reports. Maybe he wanted to scare UConn for a little bit. Maybe that total number gets something added to it.

And that's what this all was. Or maybe he actually woke up one day and said, I do want to be the Lakers head coach and then woke up another day and said, I actually don't want to do it. Which has happened a lot, especially with the guys transitioning from somewhere that are really comfortable to feeling all in and then going, you know what, I can't do it. I don't know. Maybe there was some other reason if Hurley in fact was going to do it.

Maybe he got more information to decide it. You know what? I'm going to change my mind and stay at Yukon. Here's the last thing that I want to hit on with this because now what we have. Whenever we look at the college guy leaving to go to the professional ranks, it becomes a referendum on where college sports are right now. All right. Um, because right now in football and basketball,

because that's the one that we really care about when it comes to the NIL and recruiting and everything that goes along with it, everyone that loves college sports is telling us how terrible the state of college sports are currently. And there's some arguments that I would hear. I'm sure it's a major pain in the ass now with the NIL stuff. There'll be corrections.

I think what didn't Boise say, we're not even doing it anymore. I'm sure there's a lot of people that threw money around in the beginning thinking that it was the new version of free agency that are going, well, that wasn't worth it. Now that guy's playing in our rival in the same conference. What's the hell, what's the point of all this stuff? But I would point to, Hey, in 2014, there were five coaches in college football making 5 million or more going into the start of this season. I think that number is going to be at 40 coaches.

Don Draper, that's what the money's for. I'm sorry, the job is tougher, but the job has also exploded as far as how lucrative it can become and rewarding you for all those years you slept on somebody's couch as a GA and just hopping around and moving your family all over the place. It's a very, very tough profession, which adds a new layer of challenges, which I completely understand, but you're now being paid more than anyone ever possibly imagined. So there's a limit on how much sympathy that I'm going to have for anybody in this position. But the people that love it, people that love the sport and I love this sport,

will point to a Harbaugh leaving Michigan saying, well, that's a warning, right? Maybe it was the money. Maybe it was him going back saying, I didn't actually accomplish the full mission with the Niner. So saying, I didn't actually accomplish the full mission with the Niner, so I want to do it again with the Chargers. Chip Kelly was at UCLA as the head coach, decided to go to Ohio State to be the top assistant there. He's one of the three highest paid assistants.

I think his deal is six plus million for three years there, but why would he leave a head coaching gig when you know Chip, it's like, would he really ever want to have to answer to somebody else? Well, maybe it's Ryan day because of that relationship, or maybe it's because UCLA is broke, or maybe he felt like maybe I'm out of here in a year. So I'm going to go ahead and pick my next job before I'm forced to see what's available for me. But does that mean that's a wake up to college football?

Maybe Jeff Hathley, the head coach at Boston college, he goes and decides to become an assistant in green Bay. What does that mean? That seems a little weird. Well, four years at BC, he was 22 and 26. I know they were better this year, but did he see the writing on the wall and say, maybe I'll get ahead of this or is it because college football isn't so much trouble? Then we'll have the Kentucky offensive coordinator, Liam,

mentioned and it's like, well, he went to Tampa Bay. Now, we start to list, as I always point out when people make an argument, you have a couple of good examples and then you're like, hey, let me just keep listing things that match the argument that I'm trying to make. Um, you've got Kingsbury USC, but that one actually makes sense. Cause I'm not even sure it really counts. Cause he was kind of in this waiting period of wondering what the next

move was going to be because he wasn't going to take over at SC. So the point that I'm making here is that the people that love the college sports, the, the old school version of college sports will point to all of these as examples of why it's broken. It may be broken or it may be adjusted, but it's certainly different. We all agree on that. But what is Hurley staying? Does that mean that you could point to that and say maybe it's not that bad? And as we know, this is not the only example that we have in daily life where you're pointing to the things that enhance your argument while simultaneously ignoring all the things

that could defeat your argument because that's what we do every single day. But for Hurley, it probably wasn't about the college challenges or the NBA challenges, it may have been more about as good as I am, as much as I'm ready for the challenge, the Lakers challenge, because of roster, because of age, and because of some of the dynamics of that power structure, maybe that was enough for me to flirt, but ultimately say no. I'll tell you what, when they write the history books on the Alliance, they'll be like, college football season, they were competitive.

Their first run in the NBA, not great. Two and two last week, but undecided. I'm going to go with two picks this week. Saruti has been kind of our Tatum, just making everything happen. Although his shooting percentage is better. So why don't you start us off, Saruti, with your play? Four legs. Well, last week we did the finals bets,

the big futures finals bets, and I actually think we're doing okay in those so far. Kyle and I both like the Celtics, looking pretty good. Luca I think has the most threes in the series, which I liked a lot. So those have actually been good. So maybe we need to do more like weird futures bets,

and that's our angle. But we're back to the normal alliance again, game three, Celtics, Mavs. I am gonna go with Luca under nine and a half assists I feel like the Celtics are playing him a certain way where they're okay with him scoring I think he's gonna have a big scoring game but the total is like 32 and a half so I'll just take the under nine and a half assists for Luca okay Kyle I appreciate you mentioning those finals features because I'm still alive in all four of those future so

with keeping that vision alive on my vision board in my office right above me, I'm gonna say Jalen Brown 20 plus points, which I said he would be 20 plus points for every game in the series. And we came pretty close, he got 21 in game two, but we're just gonna roll the dice again. What else is on that vision board?

Jeeps. Lerl. Multiple Jeeps. Yeah, Grand Cherokee and Cherokee. I think they both have their charms. No Wrangler. Bigger forearms. Now they're everywhere. Wrangler. That's fair. Take it easy. Wrangler guys taking a straight A. Okay. Uh, this goes against my, you can't fake desperate. And I still feel like, uh, game two, if you're Dallas, you got three different things here. I am surprised how upset people were that I just didn't think Tatum played that well. Maybe seeing it in person, I saw something different.

Maybe you on TV saw something better than I did. I just thought towards some of those possessions, he was kind of lost and searching for what he wanted to do, which is probably the worst place to be as the number one option for a team. But yeah, the passes. I understand. I pointed out game one, the defensive attention that he is facing is beyond anything else anyone else is facing. So, uh, having said all of those things, I think getting Boston plus points in

any point of this series, knowing that it's just playing out as a bad basketball matchup for Dallas, that I would take Boston plus a point and a half. And I also think Tatum, the shooting just has to come back to me a little bit, even with the defensive approach that Dallas has with sending everything at him. So maybe the assists save us on this one. So points plus assists all total over 27 and a half for Tatum. Yep, and that gets us to plus 403. So right in the money zone.

Let's go. Okay, money zone, like that zone. You want details? Fine. I drive a Ferrari, 355 Cabriolet. What's up? I have a ridiculous house in the South Fork. I have every toy you can possibly imagine.

And best of all kids, I am liquid. So now you know what's possible. Let me tell you what's required. Finally we have her, we have Joy Taylor who's going to help us out with life advice. We're going to talk about a few other things. Of course she comes from Fox where her show Speak airs daily 430 to six Eastern time and of course her podcast with Taylor Rooks, two personal show which you can check out on YouTube as well. Thank you for doing this and thank you for your patience

because this has gotten pushed back a couple of times. Thank you for having me, Ryan. I love when we do this very formal bit. Thank you for having me. Yeah, right, right. Yeah, well, I, you know, look, I still am a radio guy at my core, so I always try to be professional in the beginning, even if I screw up the intro, it's probably too often still for somebody who's done it this long. I was thinking about you the other day as the Kyrie rejuvenation project continues.

You sent me a text when he demanded a trade, because we used to argue about this. You sent me a text and said, okay, I'm done. I finally see the light. Like I'm not going to defend Kyrie anymore. And really from, I've had a few of these that happened with Kentucky men's basketball. I'd have Anthony Davis playing the most games he's ever played in a season this year where I just go, okay, I can't do it. I'm going to give up.

And just when you gave up on Kyrie, it's probably been the best run he's had in about seven or eight years. So do you wanna retract that statement to me here? Yeah, I mean, I wasn't aware we were revealing private text conversations on the show. That's news. So, okay, I need to go back in my archives. Since we're- Just sports debates?

Yeah. Yeah, I retracted, of course. But I retracted so easily because as you just admitted I was defending Kyrie forever. I was like, it's not his fault. It's Boston. Nothing is Kyrie's fault. I think Kyrie has gone through a change. I think he's changed. I think we all do that. One of the conundrums of covering sports is we are also covering human beings who... Sports is a microcosmos society. You are not the same person you were 10 years ago. You are not the same person you were

20 years ago. I'm not the same person I was last year. If everything that we do, even though we are in the public light, is scrutinized and picked apart, and all of our actions day in and day out, it may look like we are the ones who are constantly wrong. There's lots of nuances situations. Guess what? People change. I think he's changed. I think he's literally changed as a person. That is reflecting in how he has interacted with Luca this season. I think it's shown in the success that they've had.

I feel happy for Kyrie. I'm happy that we're talking about his play and not everything else, and that everyone is back on the Kyrie bandwagon because he's a spectacular player to watch. When he's in a situation where he can thrive, he's just a fun basketball player. I know he's had some struggles this series, but overall I retract and I'm glad that Kyrie is in the space that he's in now.

It's been fun to watch. Did you pick to Alice Joy? I sure did, I picked them in seven. Does that have anything to do with Boston? You just couldn't root for the Celtics, could you? You couldn't root to be right and root for the the Celtics. Could you, you couldn't root to be right and root for the Boston Celtics. Listen, um, I am a respected sports voice.

Okay. So I will not have my integrity questions on my pick. We'll strike that we may edit that whole part out then because I don't want that to be. I will say, Drew made it very hard to pick against Boston, because I love Drew Holliday. Yeah, it's the kind of guy where I probably say this, like I say it about Bam, I say it about Jared Allen, there's a longer list, but if you could say, all 30 teams could use this kind of player,

and then you could plug them in. And Bam's closer to like a foundational piece. And I know Drew has been that, but with Boston, his role is different. So he's not going to be the second or third option like he was for so many nights with Milwaukee's offense during the playoffs. So it's a bit of the surplus of talent that Boston has that he has a diminished role that's not really in line with who he's been as a player. So I'm not comparing it like as Bam is this role player. I love Bam, but I think there are certain players where it starts with kind of how they adapt

to the surroundings around them, but then also their personality and how malleable they can be of just understanding what's expected of them. I think Drew is kind of the epitome of that and it's showing a lot in the finals. And he's just such a smart basketball player. Like he's just, like it's not so much

that he is like hitting clutch shots. He just makes the right play. He's just in the right place to make the right play. I'm rooting for Drew. I would obviously never say that I'm rooting for Boston. I'm not rooting against Boston either. There are a lot of players. I root for your happiness.

I think that would make you happy. So as your friend, that would make me happy. You're rooting for my happiness? I would rather than win than lose, but I think that anybody really knows me. When it went away was when a team that I cared about so passionately when I was younger, when they lost now, or if they lose now, I just go like, that's okay.

Nothing can hurt you anymore? Not in sports. I don't think there's a sports hurt that I'm capable of. Now, granted, I'll admit there are takes that I've invested a lot of time in that I would go, well, if that were to happen, the opposite of what I believed, that might hurt from just a professional standpoint,

but ultimately, none of it ever matters. When somebody is doing great that I don't love or somebody who's doing awful that I put like when the sun's lost to the Mavs in game seven at home, coming off of finals where I felt like a couple of bounces here or there in 21 and then 22, I thought the team was even better. And then I had to do the pod with Bill that day. I wasn't thrilled, but it was more about like one little thing. But then as I've aged, as you said, as we all change, depending it sounds like you've changed abruptly from just

365 days later, I was happy you gave me the 10 and 20 year thing. It sounds like Joy Taylor is on that change train. So I would say that like whenever there's an outcome that I think I'm emotionally invested in just based on sharing my opinions nonstop here for two decades that I'll go like, how upset are you really going to be if this goes the other way? Like if this thing happens that you're hoping doesn't, or this thing does that you want, like, are you actually going to care? And then I realized I was like, yeah, I guess I'm not going to really care that much anymore. And I'll be honest,

I don't know if it makes me a better person. Maybe it's healthier, but I do miss it. I do miss it a little bit. Yeah, no, I mean, being able to feel is, is something that I'm very jealous of from people. Like when people feel things and like, wow, that's an experience I've had in a long time. That's, I love that for you. Um, with sports, really the only team, like I want the Steelers and I want the Dolphins to win. But the only team that can truly hurt my feelings is the heat. And I do hold onto that because it's, it's one of the few things like left in life that can really cause me angst.

And I've noticed that you're right. Yeah. The heat, the heat. That's a good example. That bothers you. Yeah, it does bother me. Yeah. And I think I still need that, especially in this business, because I'm with you. Like if I'm wrong and Boston wins, I'm going to do exactly what I was planning on doing that day. And that's it. Like I'm going to, I'll put up a tweet about it and then I'll go about my day. But I do think I've held on to the Heat's passion because I've white knuckled to it because this is what we do every day and I have to be able to relate to the insanity of fans. Yeah, I think that's good. I think that's good. But I don't

know why you got your hopes up with this Heat Celtic series this year. You thought it was going to happen again, didn't you? Yeah, like what's, I mean, that's what I'm saying. I still, I have to remain delusional and that's what I did. So. So it helps you. Okay, so I know that- It was brilliant for me last year. Last year, I was on the fucking throne, okay? I have more insufferable debate. It's open for debate. It depends on what you care about.

Well, geez, there was an awkward pause. Okay, so with Taylor, you aren't doing just straight takes here. You were having, I know it's Billed, these conversations that we need to have that are brutally honest. What's the most brutally honest thing that you've done? Because we're going to ask for that brutal honesty from you. I actually think guys are going to be more bummed out listening to your advice than my

advice when we get to the questions here. But I wanted to make sure we got that in there because I've seen some clips and it's funny, like there'll be clips where it's just, you know, a couple of pals talking about their daily routine and then like any of the content that's shared, you can get, you just lit up for the day. But it's just a good reminder of how insane a lot of dudes can be, I think,

whenever I see a clip that makes the rounds. Yeah, I mean, I don't think anything I've said has really been that inflammatory. And I think if you know me, most of what I've said has been rather mild. Into the thick of like, how intense of a person I can be. I think I'm I think I'm easing everybody into it honestly. The clips that went the most viral have been the conversation about splitting the bill that happened to my friends. What was that? So a friend of mine was going out with this guy she went out with him twice. They had normal dates. He took her to dinner.

They had two normal dates. And then he asked her out again. He wanted to go to this private club that he was not a member of, but she is. So he said, oh, let's go to this place and we'll hang out. So she takes him there, which is fine. Like, who cares at the moment. They hang out all day.

She has to put her card down because she is the member. And when they go to leave, they can't find the server. And he goes, well, your card is down, so we're good. And she doesn't say anything and pays. And then they leave, they have plans for another date. They leave the next day, he texts her and says he's not interested in a long term thing. He had a good time with her, but like, you know, he doesn't want to lead her on whatever they shouldn't go on the next date.

So she's like, obviously upset about that. But she's also like, yeah, Andy stuck me for this huge bill, he didn't even split it with me this weekend. And I'm like, send him the split. He's a grown man, send him his half. Okay, cool, thanks, had a good time with you. By the way, this massive bill that you left me with. Mr. Rosé, yeah.

Exactly, Mr. Spicy Margarita. So anyway, I told the story and all the guys were on his side. There's this like drizzle drizzle thing going on on the internet. And I don't know, to me, I've never experienced this in my life. And this is apparently like a new movement. And and then I took it, I took it a step further as I always do. And I dubbed them princess boys,

because clearly they want the princess treatment. And being a woman of substance and means, I can provide that for them. Now there's things that I want in exchange for taking care of a princess boy. And you know, if that is what men are interested in behaving like, I feel like I can do that. I can be that person for you. I can give you an experience you've never had. So they were not very happy with me about that one. I like the movement, I'm not gonna partake.

Maybe it sounds like that guy just really wanted to go to that club pretty bad. I mean, it's, it's, it's, it's fucking nerdville, but Oh, I think I know what it is then. I think I know what it is. All right. Uh, let's get to some emails here. Life advice, rr at gmail.com. We asked for joy specific ones and we have a bunch. So let me try to fire through as many of these as we can. Okay. My girlfriend scares me. Joy, 35 years old, 61, 180, 252 marathoner.

Whoa, that's pretty fast. My girlfriend. Why do we need that? I knew you weren't gonna like that. We include as much background as we can. Okay, good. We need background, you're right. Yeah, we're incredibly efficient here

because if a guy types out something like that, all of a sudden you know, okay, he's dedicated, he has major priorities, maybe he's, who knows? You just take any direction you wanna go to. My girlfriend at eight months is great, kind, smart, ambitious, started and runs their own business. Very beautiful. Like actually a Lululemon model. Hot.

But she sometimes reminds me of my suburban upbringing, which terrifies me. I grew up in the suburbs of a major East coast city. It doesn't matter which one, because they're literally all the same, which is the point mostly through luck. After undergrad, I moved out West, got a good job, had a chance to travel, now take great pride in being unrecognizable to anyone that knew me when I was 18. We live in Brooklyn now. I almost said Brooklyn. We live in Brooklyn now, share lots of interests like travel, good food, culture, but there are more than a few places where she reminds me of suburbia. Sometimes she buys clothes from Old Navy,

she likes trucker hats, she listens to awful music, never watches good, aka my definition of good, aka high brow, artful TV or movies, opting to watch Gilmore Girls for the 4,000th time. Most of the time I think I'm being absurd and each of these things individually is clearly trivial. Other times when taken together, I envision all of those things being signals

of a very basic and traditional future together, which is an idea that makes me wanna die. Which inner voice should I listen to? Okay, Joy, there's the first one. Okay, well, your girlfriend does sound basic, but so do you. What are we talking about here? What makes him so edgy?

He lives in Brooklyn. Isn't that the definition of not being edgy? You being a suburban kid moving to Brooklyn and now you think you're hip? All right, look, man, my advice to you is figure out what your priorities are. If you want a woman to terrorize you, which is it sounds like you're interested in, maybe you take a break from the sweet girl who likes Gilmore girls and doesn't stress you out and go try one of the, go try and find, you're not gonna find me, that's impossible.

Go try and find like, you know, go date like an OnlyFans model. And maybe that will make you appreciate your basic super beautiful ambitious girlfriends that is gonna give you a basic life. I think people think they want more adventure than they actually do. See that's some good advice right there. So don't, you know, the grass isn't always greener.

If you're feeling like she's going to provide a very simple and boring life for you, then you should, you should go spice it up and see if that's what you're, you're interested in. You might end up with more therapy in that way though. So. Yeah. If she comes home and she's like, Hey, let's throw on killing Zoe. Are you going to start liking her a little bit more? It doesn't sound like they're like compatible in the things that they're interested in.

So if you are not having a good time with her because she doesn't like to watch the shows you watch or listen to the kind of music you listen to. I don't know if that's not a reason to not be with somebody, but it sounds like you want a certain type of image too because you're trying to escape your suburban past. TG. I love how that one started. Okay, let's do another one. I think this is gonna be even funnier. All right, shot coaching, please, for Joy. Okay, we're not talking about basketball boys. All right, guys, male, man, late 40s, RIP to Jack Haley, okay.

My questions are for Joy. I've recently become single. Through no fault of my own, and I have met a few contenders lately, yet feel unsure as to what a sign for more versus what's just chit chat. So I'm in need of guidance whether I'm getting the go ahead to shoot my shot.

Scenarios. All right, so he's got three shot potential scenarios here. He names the women. That's not that else. Well, I don't know. They, most of our listeners are smart. Let's just change the name. So, okay. Debbie, number one, uh, we went for breakfast and she showed me her new

jeans standing up to show how loose they were giving me a view of her belly button and below, Um, OK, um, Shelby, example number two, whilst on a pre date walk, she offered a bet that the loser had to wash the winner's car, the bet was a too easy millhouse from Seinfeld that which she promptly lost. Um, OK. Uh, example number three, let's call her destiny. which she promptly lost. Um. Okay. Example number three, let's call her Destiny. Having a casual drink at the bar, she mentioned her new tattoo, lifting up her skirt

and showing me the ornate design on her thigh. Um. Even more M's. Are these signs joy? Should I be shooting my shot at any or all of these things in advance? I love how you changed all their names to like a strip club in Omaha.

What was the first name? Debbie, Shelby. Debbie's a very wholesome name. Deborah, Shelby, and Destiny. Shelby's debatable, Destiny, you've got me there. Yeah, I mean, I think all of them are openings. Now, I will say the way that you wrote these stories and then Ryan read them could go either way. You weren't impressed. You don't like this guy. You don't think he's cool is what you're saying. I don't know

you're going to look at anybody's school. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. I think women are very hard to read. I think for a lot of men flirting, like a simple conversation with a woman that you find attractive, some men translate that as flirting when they're literally just speaking to you and you find them attractive. So I think that these little interactions at least could be misconstrued as flirting. I'm not showing anyone my belly button intentionally. The way this belly button is also just always weird for me. Like why are you talking about a belly button? But I wouldn't do any of these things and be surprised if someone then were to hit on me. Okay. Yeah. I think the tattoo one is kind of a go.

The tattoo is a go. Yeah, the car wash one is a go. Yeah. The belly button one could go either way. Yeah, I think the jeans one, if she's super proud of her jeans, she also may have weighed 50 pounds more then and she's just constantly like, oh my God, my clothes are so loose now. Yeah.

I think two and three are pretty solid goes. But be a gentleman about it. Don't be like, hey, can I see your tattoo again? Or like when you wash my car, can you do it in like a bikini? Like don't be weird. But I think two and three are like yellow lights. So yeah, I can't tell on one, but two and three are like yellow lights. So yeah, I can't tell on one,

but two and three seem like yellow lights. So I would go for it. I would agree with that one. All right, this one's a little bit more specific. Big fan, couple questions, played a little baseball in college, decent looking guy, have an ex-wife, remarried three kids, two from previous marriage and a newborn with my current,

couldn't be happier, 40 years old, party a lot, ran a prominent nightclub in Scottsdale for a while. Whoa. All right. This guy had no, no problem getting remarried if he's running a prominent nightclub in Scottsdale. Had fun, got out of the life and since started a business, very lucrative, going on 18 years. All right. So this guy, no, he got out. Very successful guy, lots of kids. Yeah, and he got out early though. I mean, that's a tough, I mean, I think about working in Scottsdale's nightlife, like after this contract, I've debated it. I have a sister who is a professor, we're not going to name the school, and a brother who was in the military. We've all done well for ourselves.

My sister always complains at family gatherings that I was too possessive as a high school and college athlete and to not say I was a big deal. And to not say I was a big deal. I never got paid to play, but what was it like being an attractive woman growing up? Did you resent your brother? Okay. All right. So this actually gets to a very Joy Taylor tailored question here about your brother. Um, and essentially, did you have reservations about guys asking you out? Wasn't an obstacle. And I also like to know how you handle men like Skip Bayless types or Steven A's within your field.

Oh, wow. So this got really specific. So I think the general point is that he, as an older brother, was too possessive of her, the sister, and wondering with your family success, Joy, if that was something that you experienced, and maybe he's wondering if he was oblivious to it later on in life. Yeah, Jason was definitely very possessive of me.

He's 12 years older than me, so he had been in the league for a while before I came of dating age, because he got drafted when I was 10. But it was always from, we have a very like interesting family dynamic that we're not like, we're very private people. So we haven't really gotten into it,

but let's just say I didn't have a father figure in my life. Like my parents were when I was 16, but I had a very, came up in a very abusive household. So Jason was very protective of me, but it was always a weird dynamic because he's not my father, he's my brother. But I was always respectful of the environment that he was in. We just as a family,

just respected how Jason moves about. He's very private, he takes his relationship with the media very seriously, he took his career very seriously. I just wasn't about to be causing him public problems. I did my best for as long as I could. Obviously, I am a character, let's say that. But I tried to keep my behavior away from him.

I think eventually I just wore him down. But I never dated any of his teammates. I didn't have any of that around him. And I didn't ever feel resentful of him for that. He and I went through a lot of different iterations of our relationships, our relationship. And I think because of the way that we grew up in a very chaotic environment, we each had our issues

that we hadn't really resolved within ourselves. We have a great relationship now and we have no, I would never say I ever resented him in any way. Everything that he did was because he was my brother and he was trying to protect me and he was doing the best that he could. But yeah, I mean, I think that was really the bottom line. I just didn't want to cause him any career issues.

So any of my shenanigans were away from him. Yeah. And obviously it's a little different with the spotlight, uh, versus the email or here, but I don't know, I guess the principles the same, like you want to protect your younger sister. You know, you, you think you know best because you're a guy and you know how guys are. But like at the end of the day, we know how guys are too.

Like, you're not that stealth with how you guys move. So, you know, it's all in love. Nope, not stealth. Yeah, okay, we got a heartbroken guy here. Five nine, 160, just started grinding at the gym again just recently. Take a compass, Ben Simmons, is that I basically don't play anymore.

And when I do, I'm a facilitator who's scared to shoot. I was recently heartbroken by my partner, not sure how to proceed. 23, I met this woman, 27, on a dating app. We initially matched based on physical attraction and weren't really looking for a long-term relationship together. However, pretty quickly developed real feelings

for each other. We started seeing each other in February. Things were moving pretty fast. We would text almost every day and see each other every Friday and the rest of the weekends if our schedule permitted. Being that I just graduated college last year and still live with my family for the time being,

most of the time we spent together was at her place, things were going well or so I thought until about a month ago she texted me that we should stop seeing each other. To be completely honest, I'm not really sure what the exact reasoning behind this is. She stated that she needed space, was tired of hosting me every time we would hang out,

there were no signs or communication about her feeling this way before. I asked her some more details about why she felt this way, but she refused to elaborate and I didn't push the questioning as I obviously still care about her. I told her that I respect her decision and we talked about staying friendly with each other. It never works.

I wrote that in. We have not spoken since the split and I've refrained from looking at her socials despite how hard it's been. I'm not even 100% sure I would get back with her if she wanted to. I would need some more information on what happened for her to want to split in the first place. No matter what I do, I cannot stop thinking about her and what I potentially did to cause this. Basically, I do not know how to move on even if I should move on.

Should I give her space for the time being, but contact her down the road at some point, wait and see if she ever reaches out to me again? We didn't end on bad terms and I know she was going through a stressful time professionally, which may have contributed to her decision. I should also note that I brought up the age gap between us four years. My hesitancy around it, so that might have contributed as well. I'm trying to be as respectful as possible about everything, but knowing she likely won't reach out even if she did want to talk or even get back together. My current plan was to reach out on her birthday in August and judge how to proceed by her

response or lack thereof. Let me know if you think this plan is stupid or if there's another better course of action. I'm sure there are other listeners who are going through similar situations as well. Love the show. Okay, Joy. You're a very good reader. No, I wasn't very good in the beginning. I think I was nervous because of you.

So I needed to step up. Yeah, I'm glad you found your way. That was good. Sounds like this is over, my guy. You could do this. If you did this instead of me, you would get through 20 of these episodes as opposed to us getting through two.

I would agree with you, but continue. Yeah, it sounds like it's over. I wouldn't overthink bringing up the age gap. I mean, four years is not really, I guess in your 20s, it's more significant, in your 30s it doesn't matter. Not at all, but for a guy to go 23 to 27 right after college, that's a bit of a mind bender

at that time. That dynamic is a little different. Yeah, that's what I'm saying, in your 20s, every year is so different. Like she obviously has a place, you don't. You're coming out of like another heartbreak. Wait, so the heartbreak is this one or he was coming out of a heartbreak, right?

Let's go back, let's check. All right, T, I mean, obviously this is the main heartbreak that we're focused on. I think she was coming out of something. She was going through something with work. So, yeah, weren't working. Go ahead, keep going. So the point is, I think that this is done.

I think this is done. She probably, if I'm reading into women, was probably like, yeah, you don't have your own place. You're constantly at my place. You're not at the same place in life as me. And that's probably what it's about. And to be honest, if she is not really being friendly with you, then you're not really going to get a better explanation than that. And you might honestly

not want it. Like, do you want to hear her say like, Hey, you need to get your bread up and get your own spot? Like, probably not. And like in your 20s, that kind of age gap does matter because she's clearly doing different stuff than you. So yeah, I mean, getting closure is something that everybody wants. Like you want to hear the thing that's going to make you feel better about why something ended. But in reality, sometimes you get that and it makes you feel worse. And in the end, like, is it really going to fix anything?

Like she clearly didn't want to continue. She was nice enough to be honest with you about it because some people just ghost, which is annoying. So yeah, it might suck, but I think it's, it's probably time to focus inward, you know, recalibrate and, and move on. And you never know, like maybe you see her down the line and things are different, but I wouldn't harbor onto or hold onto like feelings just because you're hoping that she circles back with a better explanation. It's probably just that she wanted to be able to go to your place sometimes and you can't do that. I've been in situations like that where a guy has had his place and I just didn't want

to go over there. If you don't change your sheets, there's a quick way to get me to never be at your house again. There you go. Yeah. Guys out there, get those in the mix. You don't learn that until, there's a quick way to get me to never be at your house again. There you go. Yeah. Guys out there, get those in the mix. You don't learn that until a little bit later in life, but you better learn it as opposed to never learning. I mean, imagine a naked woman in your bed and your sheets haven't been washed in two to three months. Insane.

Yeah. Tough look. Although guys in their 20s don't understand that. Here's the great thing about clean sheets. As a girlfriend once told me, she was like, don't you love when they're new and fresh and everything and like you get them out of the dryer and then you put them down and like the first time you get to bed that first day they're fresh. It's like, you know, you could actually do this more and experience that feeling

more often as opposed to this yearly tradition. Again, this is again, when I was a lot younger, I'm just kidding. I'm kidding. Joy gags. Again, this is again, when I was a lot younger, I'm just kidding. I'm kidding. Joy gags. Uh, yeah, look, when dudes were young, they were like, wait, people clean these regularly. Makes sense. You get old, you start learning this stuff. I think this one's really simple.

I think it's really simple. And I actually feel good for our guy. You were clearly good looking and she wanted to hook up with you for a while. You said that you've matched it in an app because of a mutual physical attraction, but your roommates are your parents. Okay. And maybe you'll meet her at some point where your roommates aren't your parents. And at this point, I think she just liked hooking up with you.

You said the routine was pretty standard this Friday through the weekend deal. You didn't see each other for the rest of the week. And then she, once she got over whatever she was dealing with, she was like, okay, maybe I need something a little bit more real, but that tells me that you're that attractive that she was willing to make this deal for four months. And it was only four months. You met in February, you sent the email in in May. So you probably are so good looking that she allowed this dynamic to

continue for a little while. So that means you're going to have plenty of opportunities. Like we're telling you already, maybe she got back together with somebody else or whoever, but I think the fact that you were even in this spot right after college and you live with your parents and a 27 year old that you were attracted to was like, I'm down for just weekend hookups over and over and over again. Cause that's really what it feels like it was for it to end this

abruptly on top of everything else. I know you're sad now, but know that you have all this potential. You have like, if you pulled this off, you're going to pull something else off. So I think that's kind of how she looked at you in this 27 to 23 route that maybe goes against the grain in the male, female historical archives. Uh, but even though you're bummed out now, you have such a bright future. I agree. I agree. It's a solid move, bro. Just don't stress out about it. You're not going to get the closure you want. Just charge it to the game and build on this.

Exactly. I don't really think too bad Kyle's not here. Okay, we have one here that's very quick. What's up guys, Joy, big fan of both. When I heard Joy was joining for Life Advice, I instantly thought of the mutual friend Colin Cowherd. Who between Ryan or Joy give Colin more street cred, make him more valid between the two of us? Uh oh, I shouldn't have read this one. Okay. Do we just move on?

Who picked these up for you? They set you up so bad. That one is brutal. I don't even think we need to answer that one. I think the answer is fairly clear. All right, we got two more. My husband's Borla and addicted to podcasts and I fear that is affecting our newborn daughter's development.

Scarcely a moment goes by during his waking hours in the home when there's not at least one AirPod in his ear with some podcast or YouTube video playing. This has been an annoyance throughout our relationship and my frustration has been compounded. Now the attention he pays to podcasts and YouTube videos distracts him from taking to and interacting with our newborn.

Yes, he completes his house chores dutifully, including feeding, changing and bathing our daughter, but there have to be some guardrails on his listening habits because right now there are none. Can you please help me and all the otherwise out there dealing with a similar problem? So we got a one ear daily chores podcast guy. Joy?

But this is from a woman. Yeah, oh yeah. We have women listeners, female. Were you unsure which is what we prefer these days? No, it's an ongoing joke. Cause I think we said women, and then somebody wrote in that we should say female, or now I forget if when we said female,

somebody said you should say- Yeah, it was female and someone said you should say women. Women, right, yeah. So then we started just saying female women. We're just fighting back a little, that's all. Sorry, sorry. Sis, I gotta tell you, you gotta relax. You gotta chill out.

She's changing, feeding chores. She's doing all those things. I don't know. It sounds like he's pulling his weight. Yeah, it sounds like you have a good husband that has a wholesome hobby. That's what it sounds like. You know what else could be his hobby?

Cheating on you. You know what else could be his hobby? Gambling away your mortgage. You know what else could be his hobby? Supporting an OnlyFans model. Is that an easy hobby to get into? Very, it's a very efficient app. What else could be his hobby?

Is there an OnlyMans? Yeah. What if I just got down there and it's like, here's the takes that are too spicy for podcasts. I wonder how I would do. You'd have to do it like shirtless, yeah. Well, I'd have to do it after like Chester Shoulder's Day because I think just walking around shirt off

isn't as impressive. We'll try to get there though. Yeah, I mean, look, I understand. People are annoying. We all have things about our partners that annoy the fuck out of us, but I don't really love agreeing with men, but I'm on both sides on this. He's taking care of your kid. He's present. He's taking care of the house, and all he likes to do is listen to podcasts. You need some perspective. There are some really terrible husbands out here, and unless there's something else going on, what kind of podcast is he listening to? I guess that is a follow-up question, because I guess there are some podcasts that could be breaking his brain, but in general,

he's listening to the Ryan Rossellio podcast, it seems like you're in a good spot. Although we did have a mom wrote in saying that, because there's this phenomenon going around where people are telling me that their kids can't fall asleep unless they put on the podcast, my podcast. So I don't know if this will be a career pivot, but like, could I just read children's books and then I save the sleep patterns of people all over the country? Could we have the stuff translated? Is that like a really creative way of saying you're boring? I've yet to be offended. I could imagine there's a few monologues.

Look, there's some monologues that I do, Joy, where I go, who's that for? Did I just introduce that thought to you? No, no, trust me, no one is less impressed with me than I am. Yes, I'm aware, we've been over this. It's my least favorite bit that you do, but- Yeah, but at the same time, I am fairly confident, which is kind of weird. Yes, it this. It's my least favorite bit that you do. Yeah, but at the same time, I am fairly confident, which is kind of weird.

Yes, it's why it's my least favorite bit. And I yell at you all the time about this, as you know. Yeah, but if we went deep into this, there's no lack of confidence here. I think we would agree there. I just feel like professionally what I've done, I'm like, yeah, okay. Yeah, you do this whole self-deprecating bit.

I don't know who it's for. But I don't think it's self- deprecating. It's for me. I don't. I think there's other things that I was capable of doing. So yeah, that's all. It's a professional thing. It's not a personality thing. I don't walk around, trust me. And I think you know this. I don't walk around being like, oh, I'm a fucking loser. No, no, no, I know. It's purely professional. And it's, it's, it's rather silly. And I rebuke it every time you do it. So we're doing it again Very successful. You've done amazing things in the business, you know You're great. People listen to your podcast. That's why I'm here

But yeah, right. Is it is it potentially really boring to infants? It probably is why would it like your tone that is putting children to sleep? So maybe maybe this woman also needs to just try and have him listen to your podcast and like take the AirPod out and then maybe the baby will sleep better. And then that's the solve. Sounds like he's doing a lot of stuff in there.

So, but I get it. I think it's just a, hey, are you potentially not paying attention to stuff from dude? It's like, it's no, I can do this. I'm capable of doing both things. It's like, yeah, but I don't like the way you're doing both things.

I think that's where this kind of falls. Yeah, maybe she feels like he's not like mentally present. So maybe the compromise is maybe like when you guys are spending time together, he doesn't listen to podcasts. But like, again, I don't want to dismiss this lady's experience, but it just seems like it seems like you're kind of bitching. To be honest.

Ouch, I wouldn't, I do said it. I wasn't going to say it. Being present is currently man's greatest fear because they don't understand it. They're like, what are you talking about? I'm sitting right here. And it's like, no, but you're not present. And no one, this is the new,

this is the new game level that we have to unlock. All right, we have one last one. Okay. All right, Joy, this guy I know has been inviting me out on his boat. The problem is something always seems to come up. I respect how hard he works, but it's leading me to wonder if he even has a boat. I mean, it's not like no boat is a deal breaker, but a girl can't lie. I don't hate that he has one, parentheses, if he does. It's a Marsha. This is Marsha?

Yeah. This is a wildly relatable question. This is tough. Is he lying about the boat potentially? Where do I go with this? Has he recently shared the boat? Like, as have you, have you seen this boat? He could be lying about the boat for sure. He could be lying. He could be renting the boat. Um, it could be a timeshare. Yeah. Right. Or something like that. His friend's

boat or like, you know, not even timeshare. Like you just rent the boat. Um, so he was like planning on taking you out and now it's been booked or something. Yeah. Yeah. I don't really know what to tell you to do girl. Ask him to see like, what do you do as a boat owner? You have like a boat license? Maybe he's got to show you that. Some guys aren't even licensed, Neanderthals. Yeah, I think you'd have to, you'd have to see a picture with him holding up a newspaper from that day behind the wheel. But even then he could just be telling his friend.

Go get a spoon, go out to your boat, take a picture on the boat with your spoon. So I know, cause you would never do that unless I asked you to do that. Right. Yeah. But it still could be a friend's boat. Maybe it would have to be a video of him driving. But again, maybe he's just his friend,

just trust him behind the wheel. Cause he knows he has a good sense and good sense of direction. Yeah. I mean, depending on, it's good that she respects how hard he works. That's nice. I bet she does. I believe her. I believe the email.

Well, Marcia, it seems you're in a pickle. Let us know. Sure does. I want to follow up to this. Find out if he's been lying about this boat. I can't wait. I hope she sends in an email. I hope we get to the bottom of this. This is the only one I'm interested to see how it ends. Fair enough. Fair enough.

Thank you for doing this. I don't know if you made anybody feel better, but you made them feel more honored. I don't know if you made anybody feel better, but you made them feel more honored. I don't think I made anybody feel better. I thought it was very harsh on your listeners. Yeah, that was a touch. If we want more perspective like this, when does the podcast with Taylor come out? Wednesdays at 9 a.m. Pacific, 12 p.m. Eastern. Pacific, 12 p.m. Eastern. The audio drops before that, but yes, on Wednesdays. Two personal show. You can email us questions too. We take one question a show. Two personal podcasts at gmail.com. I will say I am much nicer to our listeners

than I feel like I was two years, so maybe I need to ratchet it up, ratchet up the intensity on too personal. I also want to say while I have everyone's attention that MJ, Acosta, Ruiz and I have a show coming out on Fuse August 21st, Like a Girl Season Two. So it's a episodic series interviewing female athletes, women female athletes on Fuse. So we'll have more on that soon.

Based on the concept of that show, that's a great title and titles aren't always well executed. So I think that'll be really good. Making moves. Uh, thanks as always, Joe. I appreciate your time. Thank you, Ryan. Thanks to Wargon.

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