The Ryen Russillo Podcast - NBA Playoff Team Draft, Todd McShay Grades Some NFL Draft Comps, and Jon Anik on UFC 300

Episode Date: April 16, 2024

Russillo and Ceruti start the pod by drafting the 20 NBA playoff teams (0:41). Then, Todd McShay comes on to grade some NFL player comps, share his favorite underrated player, and discuss what he’s hearing in terms of early trades (17:56). Next, Jon Anik joins the show to describe what it was like calling Max Holloway’s last-second knockout at UFC 300 and explain why there’s no shortage of star power (57:37). Plus, another Alliance pick with Ceruti and Kyle (81:13) and Life Advice (84:58). How do I handle my roommate breaking my stuff? Check us out on Youtube for exclusive clips, live streams, and more at https://www.youtube.com/@RyenRussilloPodcast The Ringer is committed to responsible gaming. Please check out rg-help.com to find out more, or listen to the end of the episode for additional details. Host: Ryen Russillo Guests: Todd McShay and Jon Anik Producers: Steve Ceruti, Kyle Crichton, and Mike Wargon Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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we want to do something here a little bit different because I'll have more reaction on Thursday from the play-in games. So we're all looking forward to those. And instead of just filling out the bracket where I still always kind of laugh whenever they don't feel like post its playoff bracket, and you're just like, this isn't going to be the same, dude.

It's not going to be the same as the NCAA bracket. And so we've done this in the past where we would just draft all the playoff teams and see who had the best chance of ending up with a champ. But it's just an exercise to kind of talk about the teams again. But I'm gonna bring Sarudy in here off the top because I wanted to try to figure something out.

We talked this out last night. So it's probably not perfect on the math, but I still think it'll be a fun exercise. Where we're gonna draft the teams, all 10, all right, on each side, so that's 20 teams that we're drafting here. And you get a point for winning the first round, two points for getting out of the second round,

three points getting out of the conference finals, and then five for winning the NBA title. But the bonus here, the incentive to draft potential underdogs, is that you will get bonus points based on the seed differential. If you were, say, a seven seed beating a two seed in the first round, you get one point for advancing and then five extra points because a seven beat a two. So if Dallas beats the Clippers, Dallas is a five seed, the Clippers are a four seed, Dallas would get a point for winning the first round and they would get another point for beating a seed that was actually higher than them.

So you could get into, well, you should weight it a little bit differently. Hey man, go nuts. Do your thing. Do it on your podcast. Yeah, right. Do it, you know, whatever you wanna do, man. But the way I'm looking at this is I wanted to be safe. I wanted to be safe. I wanted to be safe. Do your thing. But on your podcast. Yeah, right. Do it, you know, whatever you wanna do, man.

But the way I'm looking at this is I wanted to be simple to follow as a podcast segment and then find a way. Cause when you really start mapping out your draft board, like if we had just done it straightforward without any bonus points, Rudy, and you're putting together your board, you're gonna go Boston, Denver, Denver, Boston, maybe it's okay, see there, you know what I mean? Like you just kind of know, oh cool, you guys did a power board, you're gonna go Boston, Denver, Denver, Boston, maybe it's okay, C-30, you know what I mean?

Like you just kinda know, oh cool, you guys did a power rankings but just drafted it. The way, yeah, the way I looked at it with this, like there's a really good chance we're gonna be grabbing teams just based on the potential value of what it would be if just getting a first round upset, especially when you start looking

at the potential Lakers matchups, or if you're still buying into Philly with a bead back, or if you still feel like Miami's just gonna flip this switch on. So when I put together the draft board, I'm like, wait, I'm kind of all over the place with this one. So before we get started, where are you? I have a bunch of tiers.

I texted you beforehand. I was like, I wonder how, if we're gonna have similar or different, because I had just basically have a power ranking of how I think my teams will do and then what their point value would be if they go that far. So, you know, I think you're basically just weighing like who are the definites versus who are some of the high upside ones versus like teams that you don't think are going to go far. Like a team that you think that's going to go one round, like when one round and

isn't like a huge upset, that team's actually not that valuable at all. Right. Cause like, as I was putting it together and trying to put them in order, I was getting to teams I probably didn't think that I would take based on like, man, all you have to do, like you can make up like say Boston. All right. So Boston's maximum points that they can gain in our system here would be one for the first,

two, three, then you're at six, 11 points, right? If Denver were to beat Boston, that means that they would have 11 points, but plus say they beat a favorite, if it was okay, see Denver, so they'd get an extra point there. So there's actually a chance where Denver has a path, the more points than Boston, but then it becomes far more dramatic.

If you had the Lakers in say the one eight, say they lose in New Orleans, then win the next game. And then it's Lakers one eight. That's seven points on the bonus plus a point there. And then you're like, okay, so now they'd have to win Dallas. Like the Lakers might go really high in this exercise, not because you think the Lakers have the third best chance of winning a championship,

but you just look at their path and go, that's a lot of potential points there. So let me get a couple of these lottery picks here to mix it up with the teams that I think will go further. So I actually kind of enjoyed it, knowing that there may be something that we discover in the process of doing this where we're like, okay, I wasn't ready for that. And I think there's also a part, as I was thinking about it

more this morning, it's like, maybe you could have put like five points on the conference finals and seven points for the finals to try to like even out everything. But I don't know, I just like this because I think it's more fun and incentivizes us maybe taking teams. We wouldn't take as early. First pick, let's see here. Do you have a coin? I was actually looking for a coin this morning and there was no coin upstairs. How about this? I'm thinking of one or two. I have one in my head right now. Okay. I'm going with two. That was one. All right. I'll go first. I actually want to go first because all the

things that we talked about, about how, yeah, exactly. All the, all the things that we talked about about how Yeah, exactly All the all the things we just talked about about like high upside teams picked, you know, Lakers home I gotta look at how many points they could potentially accumulate in this. I'm not gonna overthink it I'm still taking Denver one because Third I think they're gonna win the title and as a two-seat I could pick up potentially two extra points along the way That's 13 points as you said Worst case scenario they get to the finals and that's seven and they maybe lose the Boston, which I don't even think is going to happen. So I, I still think even though Denver's the two, I have them as the most

valuable team. So I'll go Denver one. Okay. Um, that's what I was going to do. I think some people will accuse you of lying no matter what number I picked. I am not accusing you of lying. Two, I think is interesting. I think you can go out of different directions here.

Well, despite the value of these other options, I want to play it safe with my first pick too, and I'll take Boston. I did have them too in my, uh, in my power rankings. Okay. That's fair. I'm going to go third pick. This is where I think it's going to get weird. I'm taking, I'm going to take the maps.

I think there's a good chance so they're the five seed. So they win the first round. That's what they get one point and then an extra point for the, yeah, for being a higher seed. So that's one, that's two points. And then they can get potentially OKC in the second round. If they win that, that's eight. I think the Mavs, I mean, who knows?

Like could they make a run to the finals? Could they play against Denver, beat Denver? Like I think they're one of the more high upside teams that's here as a five seed. So give me Dallas. You could argue Dallas should have gone higher because the path is, you can map it out and then as riding this out as a five seed,

all the extra points that you'd be getting, Dallas was going to be my pick. So, to make preparation. And the thing with Dallas too is they avoid Denver until the conference final based on how the bracket works out. So they're either playing like maybe the Lakers or OKC or the Pelicans. However, you know, I doubt the Pelicans get there, but we'll see.

But there's a good chance like they at least probably avoid Denver until the conference finals. Okay. All right. Now the work starts. So I'm not going to talk it all out here. I'm going to take Phoenix as a succeed. I don't hate it. Had them a little lower, but I don't hate it.

Well you've got the 6-3 matchup against Minnesota. Excuse me, the 6-3 matchup. Yeah, 6-3 matchup against Minnesota. Excuse me. The six three match. Yeah. Six three matchup against Minnesota and you could go to, well, hey, they beat Denver twice, they beat him in overtime up at their place, but then the other game was without Marie, so that's four. Not sure they wouldn't one round. Yeah. Yeah.

I agree. Uh, all right. Ooh. See now this, this Yanis news is really screwing things up. He doesn't look like he's gonna be there for at least the first half of the series. Maybe the series at all. A lot of people are already picking the Pacers to upset them in the first round anyway based on how bad and unathletic the Bucs look. But I also don't love the Pacers like upside after just the first round.

I'm gonna get weird and I'm just going to take an L here. Cause one of these teams can lose. I'm going to take the Clippers basically the same logic as Dallas. If like they don't get the point in the first round, if they end up beating Dallas, but then I think there's a decent chance that they will give okay. See a series or somebody and get to the conference final. If they do that, I'm going to pick up a ton of points. So give me, give me the Clippers. I don't love it, but I think there's value there

Okay The Pacers Milwaukee thing that you just brought up is interesting because even if you were like, well, I don't really love the Pacers But you would in our exercise you would always take the Pacers ahead of Milwaukee Well, maybe I shouldn't say that if Yanis is back and he's 100% healthy, you're like, look, Milwaukee still is probably, in whatever hope you're holding on to, but it's not impossible to think about Milwaukee being in the Eastern Conference Finals here. Exactly.

So, I don't think that's any kind of reach whatsoever. So you're like, all right, so I'd be getting points there, even if I don't think that they would beat Boston, but wait a minute, the Pacers could get four points with a 6-3 upset against against them and they've won four out of five against them. So this is where I think I got to go Lakers. The issue with the Lakers is if they were, if I knew they were the eight seed, I'd

feel so I would have taken them higher, you know, but if you don't think they're going to be Denver. So you're essentially hoping they lose tonight and win, you know, what Thursday and there's and you know, if they upset okay, see that's the best pick in the draft. That's kind of what it is. And the line is like nothing tonight. So Vegas was not thrown off by Sunday at all with the Pelicans. It's basically a point in this game. So that weighed into the thinking a little bit when I was looking at FanDuel this morning. Do you subscribe to the Lakers? Because I've seen this floating around that the Lakers actually should want Denver in round one because that's the best chance they're gonna have to beat Denver. No. You'd rather just get him in the conference final if you can.

Maybe if Denver were this new thing and you weren't sure. Bill's always kind of big on that. There's been times I've agreed with Bill on it and but I just don't think it's a blanket scenario of, yeah, you just always, whoever's really good, you always want them early. I don't know, why don't I play somebody that I think I match up with better and then see if we're propelled to another level just based on our confidence here.

All right, so we're six picks in. All right, I think I have to take either the Bucs or the Pacers here. And it's really difficult because I do think there is some upsides that we just talked about with the Bucs or the Pacers here. And it's really difficult because I do like, I do think there is some upsides that we just talked about with the Bucs potentially making the conference finals. And I don't think, like I think if the Pacers win around one, I don't think they're winning in round two.

Give me the Pacers, cause I just, I want to root for them. So give me the Pacers. So basically I just need, if they win in their first round, I get four points. And that's a huge win, but there's likely no upside after that. Okay. I'm going to go back to stability. I'm going to take, okay. See.

Hmm. Okay. Just to be like, okay. Not a lot of points on the board for them though. That's all right. What if, what if they make it to the finals? Yeah. I don't know. Cause they basically, what?

One, two, three. So they could, their max is six points if they make, if they make it to the finals. Yeah. Because it'd be a one. Well, whoever. One, two and three. So they could, their max is six points if they make, if they make it to the finals. Yeah, because it'd be a one. Well, whoever. One, two and three for each round. Yeah. Right. Man, does that lock me in?

Do I have to take the bucks now? I have two teams where I have teams playing each other, but I feel like, yeah, I'm going to take the bucks. I'm going to do it. Big hedge guy. Three seed, if they win in round one, they get a point. But if they beat the Knicks in the second round, that's another three points. And who knows, you know, if Yanis gets healthy and like, weirder things have happened.

I still like their upside. So I'll take the bucks. Okay, give me Golden State. Wow. What is that? Off my board almost. Really? I just don't... I think they might lose tonight I get I mean I get it because yeah again if they if they win one series if it's the if they beat okay see and sure they can go up and down with okay see I

wouldn't pick it but I think could then the pick is worth it but I don't see it that dismissive of the Warriors with all those extra points, okay. I haven't taken Sacramento. No, I have Sacramento basically almost last. Okay. I have the Warriors 16th in my power rankings. Okay, all right, so who's still on the board here?

So we still have like the Heat Sixers, my Magic are still on the board, T Wolves, Cavs. Give me, I'm going to take the, I'm going to take the Knicks because I think it's just easy points. There's a, they're likely going to be in the conference final. Okay, great. I need Philly to win the playing game for this pick to work. Because if it's the one eight, then I just don't. It's over. I don't see it happening.

But. If Embiid was healthy, if that magic injury didn't happen, I would have taken them a lot earlier. Yeah, I think some people would have already taken them by now just based on the point part of it. But they beat Miami, they're in the seven two, Embiid plays, they beat the Knicks, not impossible. Extra points and then you're

looking at the other side of the three matchup and it might be the Pacers. Philly should have gone higher in this. But the Embiid part of it, you're right. If you want to go that way with it and have doubts. But I'm really happy you took New York. I'm happy you took the Sixers, because I'll take the Heat. I think I'd rather have them than the Sixers. Okay. No matter who they're playing. Give me Minnesota. Good pick.

Although actually, I don't know. I think you have to do it, but I don't think there's, again, it's one of those ones where there's just, because they're the, what, the three seed, there's just not a ton of upside. Yeah. But what if it ends up being two, three against Denver, they get an extra point there, pull the upset off. Yeah. You know, well this worked out perfectly. I'm going to take the magic.

I get, I would, if they win the first round series, they get two points. All right. I'll take New Orleans. Okay. So we still have calves. Kings bulls hawk. So basically nothing. So let's make this quick. I mean, I don't think the bulls and the hawks have any chance. So I'll just take Sacramento. I think that's the move. Although you could have said I probably should have taken the calves, but I don't want to do it on principle. Well, I'm taking the calves.

And if you would take in the calves, I would have taken Sacramento because then you're left with, you're going to take Chicago and I'm going to take Atlanta. And that's a wrap. There you go. All right, we will update this as we go.

They went a few different ways. You know, you don't like my draft. I could see it on your face. You had Phoenix way higher than me. I think, uh, I love getting the maps third. The problem is I have two teams. I have two series that are playing each other. So I'm, I'm losing, although who knows?

Like a lot of these teams are going to lose in the first round anyway. I like your, I think the maps pick, there's an argument to be said that. If I had gone first, would you have taken Dallas? If I had taken Denver first, would you have taken Dallas? If I had taken Denver first, would you have taken Dallas second? I think I would have still taken Boston. So you probably would have ended up with both. Yeah. The one, two guess sent me on a path I wasn't expecting because I was thinking about taking

Dallas with the second pick, but then I was like, all right, it can be some automatic points here. So I have, I have a lot of lottery tickets here with golden state, the Clippers in New Orleans and Atlanta, by the way, that should count as a 10 seed. Even though the eight seed just nine bonus points. Oh, I did. I have a count. If they're, if the eight, if the 10 seats somehow does it, like if golden state

gets in there, technically still the 10 seed though, like like they are that's where they finish in the standing so I actually I have the points I think that's how it should be how the points are counted I don't know I don't think we agreed on that before I TBD we'll determine that if Golden State gets in we'll figure it out okay and when Horst also suggested maybe Yanis could leave we'll do more on that next week. The Ryan Roussela podcast is presented by FanDuel. The NBA playing tournament gives teams a chance to play their way into the postseason. So it only seems right that new customers on FanDuel can play their way into $150. Just place any $5 bet and you'll get $150 in bonus bets, win or lose, to use during the NBA playoffs.

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Our guy Todd McShay with us again. So a couple different exercises that I want to get into and I know Todd wants to talk like trade Exploration here, which I by the way, I gotta give Todd a little bit of a heads up He and I were I don't know that was an argument about New England and Arizona moving around but now there's reports based on the exact thing that Todd was theorizing on So we'll we'll, revisit it a little bit. But I like doing these exercises because we had Todd around so much.

I feel like you just brushed over it. And then we'll get to like 29 minutes. So yeah, we can't really get to it today, but no, that's good. Okay. Maybe. I don't know. I just crossed off the rundown. We had Todd in so much during the ESPN days that we would try to get creative with different things

as he would sit there and live in Southington in a hotel for like two months across the street. So I want to do this. I want to do some career projection debates here where I'm going to give you some first round picks and I'm going to say if this player turns into this player, is that a win or is that, you know, disappointing? So let's just start at the top, but some of the other ones will be a little deeper into the first. So I try to get creative with this the first one Caleb Williams if Caleb Williams ends up being Russell Wilson for his career Is that a win or is that disappointing? I? Mean you always make the game hard. I get it. That's your job, right, but I

Think when you think of Russell Wilson, it's hard not to look back to the last couple years and what has happened with Russell Wilson But I mean for a long time Russell Wilson if he wasn't the best quarterback in the league, he certainly was in the conversation for the top three, four quarterbacks in the league. So he won a 2014 Super Bowl, but like he got this generational talent, right? And we're making all the comparisons to Patrick Mahomes. So it's difficult to say, yeah, I could live with that. to Patrick Mahomes. So it's difficult to say, yeah, I could live with that. And quite honestly, if his career winds up being Russell Wilson, and look back at the last couple of these

generational talents, he's the best since Peyton Manning came out in the draft. He's the best since, it was Andrew Luck for a while, right? And then it was Trevor Lawrence. Well, Andrew Luck retired early because of injury, carried his team. He was off to a great start and we thought he was gonna have a phenomenal career

and win multiple Super Bowls. It didn't happen. Trevor Lawrence, terrible rookie year, made a huge jump with Doug Peterson the next year, but now he's kind of leveled off. Is he ever gonna take that next step? So if I'm Ryan Poles, I'm the general manager, and say,, you know what I can get, I don't even know the amount of years, but like a seven, eight year run with Caleb playing at the level that Russell was playing at considering that we're talking about first round quarterbacks and 40% hit rate and all those I'd say, yeah, like I'm hoping for more. Yeah, like I'm hoping for more. I want something a lot closer to what you see

in Kansas City with Patrick Mahomes. But if you're telling me that that's the floor and we're gonna win a Super Bowl with him and he's gonna be one of the elite quarterbacks in the league for a good period of time, yeah, I guess I could live with that. What do you think? What's your mindset on that?

I don't even think it's debatable. I think it's a huge win. Okay. That's why I did it. Because I think it's a huge win. Okay. That's why I did it. Cause I think what you said at the top is what a lot of people would do when they first heard this, right? Where you go, Oh, uh, yeah, it's Russell Wilson. Like, are you kidding? It's not just, okay, automatically you get a Superbowl because it matches Russell

Wilson. But I mean, you know, I don't, it's my game, but I'm not quite sure what the rules are. But if you go through the first- That lines up. Right. If you go through his first, what we got here, nine seasons. Yeah. I was guessing eight, but yeah. Yeah. You know, in the beginning too,

like he wasn't asked to do as much because the defense was so good. But then he kind of took it to another level here. I mean, he's all pro three of his first four years. He's all pro four times. You've got the two Super Bowl appearances. So I guess the game isn't like, okay, this means Bears fans. You get a Super Bowl and you lose in the other one.

Of course you sign up for that. But I think the biggest part that you'd be forgetting if you're pushing back on that because it's like, well, he sucked at the end and he's given the most annoying interviews in pro sports in the last decade plus. That's not what I'm talking about. Look at the hit rate, which we've covered at a nauseating rate, and you're like,

oh, so wait, that's what I get? I get that? Okay, done. So I don't... Yeah, I'm gonna relieve myself of that 60% chance that recent history has shown of this guy just being a Boston, like not even getting to a second contract. So yeah, I'm signing up for it. Yeah. So I don't even think you have to spend a ton of time on that one. Okay, let's try Dallas Turner. Projected maybe eight, Atlanta, you know, let's just say within that range.

You can correct me based on kind of the ranges that I wrote down here. What if Dallas Turner ends up being Leonard Floyd? Yeah, I don't think it's a terrible comp for starters. I think Dallas Turner is more polished than Leonard Floyd. Leonard Floyd was a great athlete who flashed a lot in college at Georgia, but got to the NFL and still was working things out, had some injury history. And I would hope if I'm using the number eight pick, and I think Dallas Turner, just to kind of give a little perspective, he may be the only defensive player that gets drafted in the top 10 in this upcoming draft next Thursday. So that's going to be interesting to watch. But with Floyd, for so long you

waited and a second team and like Leonard Floyd has 30, 39 and a half sacks last four years. So I would take it. But the problem is, is he going to be on his second team? If I'm in Atlanta, is he going to be with a different team? Because he had injury problems. He wasn't developed enough. He just didn't give us, he was giving us three, five sacks a year for the first four or five years. Am I comfortable with that? So if I'm Atlanta drafting, I'd say no, no, I'm not. I'm not cool with that.

Like I would go in a different direction if that's the game we're playing because I'm not sure he's going to be here for the second contract. But if I, if I'm getting the player that we've seen the last four years, absolutely I'll take about 10 sacks a year from a guy that I'm drafting at number eight. God knows Atlanta needs it. Yeah. Floyd's a weird story just because you're like, did he get that much better or was he playing with a better defensive front? Clearly when you're playing with the Red Donals, you're just right. So,

but he still had decent numbers in Buffalo. And then the fact that San Francisco was interested in him, although you could say, Hey, they were interested in Chase Young too, and that didn't work out. We're interested in everyone. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, if you're a defensive lineman that has a poster at Models, the Niners are like, yeah, we'll take that guy.

A poster at Models. All right. Let's go, uh, let's go receiver here. Let's go Brian Thomas. So he's mid first projection, maybe late teens. Who knows? What if he ends up being Chris Godwin? Godwin's got four 1,000 yard seasons.

Clearly Thomas is bigger than Godwin. The touchdown numbers for Godwin have dipped. Yeah, I think Brian Thomas is more like a faster T Higgins, you know, if we're doing NFL comps, but that's not what we're doing. Well, I wasn't doing it. Not everybody had to be a perfect body comp. Yeah, no, I get it, I get it.

I would say, I would say yes, go read the athletic. There was a good, I forget who wrote it. There was a really good article about the hit and miss rates on wide receivers over 10, 12 year span, whatever it was. It ain't good, but it's gotten a hell of a lot better the last few years. You go back, I've mentioned that 2020 draft and how great that was, not just the first round but the second round, guys in the third and fourth round, all that.

You go back just two years ago and the hit rate is really good, especially at the top of the draft. And he's going to be, you got to remember, he's going to be the fourth receiver taken and the hit rate in the last four or five years for the first, you know, two, three guys, guys drafted in the top 15, 20 is really good. But when you get to that later first round, where I think Brian Thomas is gonna be somewhere

in that, I would guess, you know, 15 to 20, 23 range is where he winds up getting drafted. So if you're telling me he's gonna have multiple thousand yard, you know, receiving seasons, yeah, I would probably take it because again, a little bit going back to Russell Wilson, I'm taking out that floor. You know, I'm rising,

I'm raising the floor because of the bust factor won't be there. Chris Godwin has not been a bus. He has been a productive receiver. He's been an explosive receiver. He's been dynamic at times. So I would take it. I certainly would want more if I'm using the 15th, 17th overall pick. If I'm the saints or whoever, wherever he I'm going, but I would take it. Yeah, cause I, you know, I could do this and just name somebody who isn't any good and you're just like, well, no, that would be disappointing.

Yeah, no, I know, I know. Great job, but I've had times- But if you're gonna ask me, I'm gonna talk through it. I'm not just gonna go, yep, that would be a really shitty segment if I was just like, yep, no. It'd be a bad segment, but I also think it's a, it's a good answer because Godwin's good.

He is. Like he's, he's really good, but like the same way if your team takes Dallas Turner and you take him in the top 10 and you go, cool, here's Leonard Floyd. The reaction's going to be no. I still think there'll be people listening to the Caleb Williams, Russell Wilson thing being like, not good enough. I know, but that's, that's why I think we're relatively reasonable, a good portion of the time, and we talked through it and clearly that's the right play.

Listen, if you're drafting, if you're using the number four pick, you're Arizona and taking Marvin Harrison Jr. and you're getting Chris Godwin, I'm pissed. If you're using the number five pick, but probably more likely the number six pick and you're getting Odunze, then, well, Odunze is, and, you know, and you're getting, um, Oh, doon's a then, you know, well, do you say to do a little, if you're getting Malik neighbors, let's say number six Malik neighbors, the giants take Malik neighbors and you get Chris Godwin, I'm pissed. Oh, doon's a, you're like, I want more. Right. That's what I should do. But, uh, but I would, I would, this one would be tougher with Odunze versus Godwin.

When you get into the bottom half of the first round, talk about the fourth receiver in the class. If I'm getting Chris Godwin, I'm like, yeah, sign me up. Okay. Good. All right. Let's go defensive side here again. Brian Murphy, D Tackle out of Texas.

He's projected to say, I don't know, early twenties. Maybe somebody goes, look, we'll grab the D Tackle. Cause I think his best film, Murphy, Murphy You know again, I'm not watching it like you are but I think when Murphy shows up in those awesome moments It's yeah, it's incredible and I don't really like hearing about how D tackles like oh He just give us a quick Brian Murphy actual breakdown by the way for maybe people who aren't as familiar with him You know at its position. That's just so hard way, for maybe people who aren't as familiar with him, you know, at its position, that's just so hard to find. Under size, shorter than ideal, you know, he's going to play it about, it'll probably get to like 300, 305, somewhere in that range. I think he weighed in just under 300, like 297, somewhere

in that range. Quickness and power, first step burst, but he is a ball of power. He's different than some other guys like Brandon Fisk from Florida State. Yeah, he's powerful, but like it's more about that acceleration and quickness and penetrating as a three technique guy. And I think Murphy will be a three technique and a good penetrator, but I think the combination of quickness and power

is what makes him better than a lot of the other guys. You know, so like, Javon Hargrave to me is kind of like, they're similar in size, but like, Hargrave wasn't just like speed up, like it was power with the speed that made him, you know, who he was coming out of college and everything like that. So Brian Murphy, that's the kind of player he is. So I think that's kind of what you're looking for.

And when you get guys that can play that spot and disrupt, if you have that kind of scheme, you're looking for one gap penetrators, not like the two gap, you know, hold the line type of guys or, or versatile guy that can play inside and outside and all that. If you just want one thing and that's what your scheme asks for, Brian Murphy is going to be really attractive to teams in that like 15 to 25 range. Yeah. And I would say like the point that I had a hard time getting through was that his best stuff

looks incredible. And I know that for any football player who put together the highlight tape, like, you know, there's all sorts of, there's international basketball players. I'm like, Oh my God, who's this guy? Undrafted because his YouTube mix tape was incredible. But I think Murphy is in that conversation. All right. So it's funny you brought up Hargrave because I go, if I say Hargrave, then it's an automatic yes. If you get that, if you get Hargrave, you're like, okay, you should have gone higher. What if it's Eric Armstead? Terrible comp. I know we're not doing comps. So it makes it right.

Cause you're asking, you're asking for like a five technique that's going to, you know, play gap discipline and all those things. But from like a, if we're just looking production standpoint, what he's meant, not just stats wise, but what he's meant to the team. Cause I, the reason I'm smirking is cause I know what Eric Armstead represents for you. Good player, I want more.

Yeah, exactly. You and I probably had five different times during this fall. It's been a wonderful fall run. I don't know that we'll ever get to work together as much as we did this past fall, but every time you bring up Eric Armstead and the conversations we were having about BOSA and bringing in Chase Young and 49, like all that stuff. Every time you brought up Armstead, it was like, I'm looking for more. So I brought it up too much, but that I'm looking for more. So I can't-

Probably brought it up too much, but that's why I did it because I just can't stop talking about it. And I understand that he's a damn good player. Like he does what he's asked to do. He's a good player, but he's not an impact player. He's not a massive difference maker in terms of production, disrupting all sorts of things.

He does his job. And so I would say, I'd say, no, I'll roll the dice. I want more than Eric Armstead in terms of what he's providing. But again, they're, they're such different players. They are, they are. But I was, I was trying to do this in a sense of like, Hey, this is what your expectation was. This is what you ended up getting. Right. And I just need the listener, the viewer to understand. Like Eric Armstead is probably viewed like as a seven and a half out of 10

scale player. You view him as like a steady six. Yeah, probably. So I just want everyone to know what I'm what I'm up against here. Yeah. And I think there's a little injury excuse for it this year, which is what a lot of people would tell you. All right. I'm going to spare you as I was working through these today. I was like, all right, give me, I was like, is he going to go for Kool-Aid, McKinstry and Ronald Darby? So I'm going to spare you that one. I appreciate you. And I want to try to find, I want to try to find one for Nate Wiggins who I cannot quit.

I know the history. I don't know where I read it. I need to find it again, but it's basically, somebody did this fantastic job of going through like Nate Wiggins size and then looking at the history and how rare it is that this is going to work out. And yet I just loved him. I loved him in a season where there wasn't a lot to love. I think he's a damn good player. I really do.

I think, I think the thing that gets lost because everyone's going to, you're going to look at two things, right? You got a measurable of 173 pounds is I think what he weighed into the combine, which is scary. And yeah, there's and we could do the research. There's not a lot of guys at that weight. So you're hoping he bulks up and, but you hope he maintains his speed as he gets to like 185, right? And his speed, what did he run? I'll tell you right now, he ran a four, 428. I thought it was four, yeah, 428. The scary part is it's like you want your corners

in that four, three range or your receivers for that. How many guys who run the four, two's actually are great in the league? I'd like to do that. You know what, I'm gonna do that. I'm gonna spend some time this weekend. Do that for us next week, Seriously. That'd be awesome. I'm writing it down right now. Four twos because like the, remember the Raiders drafted all those?

Yeah, Fabian Washington. Yeah. All those are like everyone. John Ross. John Ross, exactly. So it were, and then, and then like, it was almost like you're looking at the preview of what could potentially go wrong. You saw you weighed in the day before, 173 pounds, runs a 428 and he gets injured. Cause those guys, what you worry about is

they're too tightly wound as athletes, right? But on tape, it's interesting because you got that measure when you think, well, he's just a burner. He can run with it. He can play off coverage. He can play some zone. He can do different things. He's a damn good football player.

I think this class at cornerback is better than people think. You got Terion Arnold from Alabama who came on. I love his makeup, I love his physicality. I think he's gonna be a really good corner. I think he'll probably be the first corner off the board, but it could very well be Quinion Mitchell, who again, very complete player,

and ran a 4-3-3 at the combine after a phenomenal week at the senior bowl. And then Nate Wiggins to me is the number three corner behind those two guys. And Cooper Dugene from Iowa, who just by the way, some recent news ran in the low 4-4s at his make-up pro day at Iowa. He can play corner, he can play nickel, he can play free safety, he can do it, and he's a punt returner. So you've got four guys at that cornerback spot that I think are gonna be really good players at the next level. And Wiggins I would probably put at number three on that list.

Is it safe to say like people like Kool-Aid more last year? Absolutely safe to say. Yeah. Absolutely. So what happened there? He struggled on tape. He was inconsistent. Big games didn't play great. Worried about his inconsistency. Almost like why come back? He didn't seem as aggressive and physical and like dialed in all the time like he was the year before. He was great on tape the year before. Thought he was going to take that next step.

Sometimes guys come back and it's like subconsciously, I'm not saying consciously, certainly not in that Alabama program. Are you going to come back and like, you know, go through them? But I thought he played a lot better the year before. And it just felt like watching the tape. I hate that like he played not to get injured. It's not that it's like, you know,

it's just not that same. Like I've got my life is on the line type attitude and feel in the way he was playing. I didn't see that consistency from him this past year. He's a good player, gets in the right situation, veteran leadership around him, kind of, you know, is kind of brought along a little bit and not in a situation where he can get burned,

you know, early in his career and start to get like some confidence issues. I think Kool-Aid can be a really good player I think he will be a really good player but um but I think there's enough worry there that he's probably gonna be an early second round pick. Alright so let's get back to the comp game what if Brock Bowers turns into ends up being TJ Hawkinson? I want more I don't I just I want a little more Brock is tough man like everyone's talking about the Jets at 10 the jet the jet first of all the Jets don't we can get into this a little more. Brock is tough, man. Like everyone's talking about the Jets at 10.

First of all, the Jets don't, we can get into this a little bit, Jets don't have a second round pick or a fifth round pick. Like, are they gonna just stay there and take a tight end when they need to get younger at tackle? If it doesn't go there, is it down to like 15 Colts, Saints, 17, somewhere there? So like, there's questions on where he goes.

He looks like a tall banker, you know, a guy who was really good in his like in high school basketball, but like, you know, didn't decided not to play D three basketball and went to like a big program, like went to a big school like Georgia. So he can hang out with the frat guys, you know, like he doesn't look the part, you know, when you see him and you compare him to some of the other guys that we've talked about his first round tight ends, he doesn't look the part. He worked out recently at the, um, at the Georgia makeup pro day.

That was the big ones were Iowa and then Georgia with Brock Bowers and, um, and Marius Mims and didn't, you know, didn't, didn't run, didn't do the, all those things, did like the position drill. So there's questions, but on tape I don't have any questions. I mean, he's never going to be a great blocker. He'll give you some effort, but my goodness, that dude knows how to get open. He's unbelievable after the catch for a tight end. I think I just, I will be shocked if he is not an instant impact player.

And it doesn't within the first year or two become one of the, like Sam Laporta of the year he had, I'm expecting more out of Brock Bowers as a rookie than Laporta provided for Detroit, which was a hell of a lot as a rookie. And I'm expecting his, his career, you know, arc to be higher than what Laporta has already shown and will continue to show is my guess. I'm with you on Bowers and you know, I remember talking about like mocks on the

NBA side and I brought up some of the stuff, but it was, I was like, Oh man, this guy seems to be dropping in the GMs. Like, yeah, to you guys and your mocks. Right. And so Bowers feels like somebody that's been dropping just based on mock charting. Well, it's like, wait. It's a position, based on mock charting. Where it's like, wait. It's a positional value thing.

Like you gotta remember, these general managers are sitting down with their analytics people and their cap people and all of that. It's not just like, oh shit, Brock Bowers is one of the best five, six, seven players in the league. Like, yeah, we all know that.

But what am I getting? Like this whole thing is about, you know, risk aversion and then like, what's the value of the position? Like for a tight end, can I pay top 10 money? When you think about it, like, if I can get a quarterback for the next five years in the top 10 and pay him that compared to what every, all these other quarterbacks are getting. If I look at the wide receiver market and how much they're getting paid, and you're telling me I can go get a Marvin Harrison Jr. or Malik neighbors who are gonna be stars in the league

for that money for four or five years, and I can take the rest of that money that it would cost me to get a veteran and go peel off and find three, four other players. Like that's the thing that people have to realize, because that's what's going on in these draft meetings when they're talking and they're trying to figure out what to do.

So when Brock Bowers is sitting on the clock at number 14, everyone's like, wait, I thought he was one of the seven or eight best players. He still is. But he plays a position that you just, first of all, you better be 100% sure. And there's really no such thing in the draft, but you also would have to have a guy

who wasn't nicked up a little bit, looked more the part, confirmed that he ran in the high four fours. You know what I mean? So all those things would have to play in. So he's not falling. It's a position value thing and making sure that when you're drafting that high,

I need a tackle, I need a quarterback, I need a tackle, I need a quarterback. I need a tackle. I need a receiver. I need a pass rusher. I need a guy who can cover these, these great wide receivers are coming into the league now. And then after that, I get the second, third, fourth, fifth round to go find other impact players at the other positions.

Yeah. TJ it probably, I think part of that answer is that it took a little longer for him. You could also talk about the quarterback situation, you know, not always being ideal for TJ size wise. He's huge. I wonder if Brock's draft status took a hit just standing next to Gronk in that picture. Yeah, that's a bad look. But I mean, look, we're talking about Brock and like, oh my god, look how little he looks. Okay, 6'3", 243. So the program had him at 6'4". Here's what I know is that on Saturdays, he had moments where he looked like the best player in college football. So I think he'd be Dallas Clark.

Like I think Dallas Clark would be like, give me Dallas Clark and I'll say, yeah, like the career that he had. Yeah. That's good. All right. This is one of my favorite players in the draft. He's a borderline first rounder, probably second rounder because of the position which you've already covered in defensive tackle. But you're on Johnny Newton for Illinois. I can't quit this guy. I love him. Am I wrong?

No. Grady Jarrett. All the same stuff that was said about Grady Jarrett, like, nah, he's undersized, shorter arm, like whatever. You know, Newton is explosive, he's quick. Like all my notes watching his tape, the last two years, last two years, it was like all the things that people are telling me why they don't like him,

why they're worried about him translating to the next level. It was the same shit with Grady Jarrett. And I loved Grady Jarrett coming out of Clemson and look at the career that he's gone on to have. I think that he can have Grady Jarrett. And I loved Grady Jarrett coming out of Clemson and look at the career that he's gone on to have. I think that he can have Grady Jarrett's career. If we're playing that game that we were just playing and you tell me you can have Grady, I'm like, sign me up, right?

And he's another guy who had a recent pro day and was coming off the injury and all that stuff. So it's not fine for Johnny Newton's bank account where he's gonna get drafted. He's gonna go probably late first, worst case early second, but I think he'll come in with no expectation and he's gonna far exceed

where he was slotted in the draft. I love that guy. Yeah, I'm a big fan. I love him. I love him. And I'm glad we finally got to talk about him and then we'll see. Who knows, maybe he sneaks in to the back of it,

but it doesn't look like it, at least today. All right, so I think we could probably cover some other Jared Burr stuff, because we've already covered it before. So I wanna, in this time, because I don't know if I have enough time to cover that trade stuff, I'm just kidding. Is there an island, is there a McShea Island?

Is there a player that you're like, look, this is how I feel about this player, whether you love them or hate them, hate strong as we get older, but just somebody that you feel like no one agrees with you on? I would take Brandon Fisk, a defensive tackle from Florida State in the late first round,

be just fine with it. The light came on, phenomenal senior year, goes to the senior bowl, arguably the best player there, goes to the combine, he's got short arms. I mean, that's what everyone's afraid of, 31 inch arms. I get it. It's like you go up against offensive linemen in the league and it's guards, you know, probably 33 to 34 inch arms,

all that stuff. I get it. And it's not nothing, it's something, but there's more to tape than just his arm length, you know? And when I watch him, he's 6'3 1⁄2, he's 2'92, he's gonna play it over 300, you know, when this process is over, he runs a 4'7 fricking eight. 4'7, eight at almost 300 pounds.

I mean, in a 33 and a half inch vertical, nine, nine broad jump, like his lower body explosiveness, his burst, and it's not just like, Oh, he's a measurable guy who's going to keep getting better. It's like, no, like it all came together and he just keeps, he's going to keep getting better from, from what we've seen this past year, loves the game motors, phenomenal. He has a nose for the ball. Like, and I hate that for a belly. He, a nose for the ball really means that the guys is defensive lineman when they're

engaged, they have the capacity and the wherewithal to engage and while they're reading it like a quarterback, they're reading the quarterback like a quarterback would read coverage. And as he's working through his pass rush moves, all of his different hand moves, he gets his eyes on the quarterback in the backfield, locates the ball.

That to me is the biggest trick and the biggest difference between the really good guys and the great guys. And Fisk just knows how to locate ball carriers, if you will, as he's working through offensive linemen. So to me, I would take Brad and Fisk just knows how to locate ball carriers if you will as he's working through offensive linemen. So to me I would take Braden Fisk and I would I'd be just fine with it late in the first because I know I'm not getting a bust. I know I'm not. So you take them late in the first even though like if

you look at the mocks like I'm reaching to think that Johnny Newton could probably sneak in and again I think positionally you know if another extra receiver goes or Kool-Aid goes late first, you're like, all right, that makes sense. You'd have to be in love with the D-Tackle to have him jump up, but Newton is probably projected higher in the mocks in the mid-second than Fisk is, where Fisk could probably, no, look, after you listen to him talk about it,

but it seems ridiculous, he could even still end up going in the third round, right? I don't think third, but for, but to your point though, for a lot, I think before the senior bowl, everyone was like third, fourth. And then the senior bowl week happened and it's like, oh shoot, this guy, if he's the best player here, one of the two or three best players here, you know,

we need to be talking about him second. And then, and then all of a sudden he goes to the combine and he blows that thing out and everyone's like, definitely second, maybe early second. So I haven't heard anyone talk about first and I don't think he's going to go in the first, but by my Intel, but I think he could be, I, here's the thing. I feel like we overthink this a lot and we have previous or like the, where, like the bias in our brains coming into the into this process is like, well, we had him third, fourth. Are we sure we could

take him late for late first? Well, if if every challenge in front of him, he keeps acing and keeps showing that he's one of the best 30 players in the draft. I remember Brian Branch. I get my whole thing with Brian Branch is like, I'm done debating it. I don't care. He ran that. He's one of the best 32 players in this draft. He's not going to be drafted in the first, but I guarantee you we're going to come out of his rookie year and say, you know what? He was one of the best 32 players in this draft class and he was. So like, and the wide receiver position is the same.

It feels like every year because someone doesn't fit a certain measurable or whatever it is. There are different reasons why you've got your elite guys at the top, right? But then we've got all these second round receivers that go on to be stars. I'm telling you right now, there are a few guys that are going to go in the second round where I would just, if I'm late first and knowing how important receiver is in the league right now, I would take him late in the first. I would take Xavier LeGette from South Carolina. I get a chance to get a big physical fast dude who can him late in the first. I would take Xavier Leggett from South Carolina.

I get a chance to get a big physical fast dude who can make plays down the field. I would take Lad McConkey first round because you know what? Some guard from Duke is going to be a really good guard, but I could get a number three receiver who can come in right away and that dude is ready and a difference maker after the catch and he's going to provide consistency. I would take Ricky Persol from Florida. I would take him late in the first. These are guys that we all know, but because there was some bias, we're like, ah, maybe doesn't, let's put them in the second round, but we all know they're going to be great NFL players. So I'm all set with guards and centers and all that other shit. And off the ball linebackers, like I want a difference maker,

a guy who's going to contribute right away as a rookie. I'm going to take these receivers late in the first. And I think that's where I I'm different than some other people. It is interesting when you start looking at like some of the trade scenarios and then, you know, Minnesota pulling the all-timer going, look, we don't want digs with that contract. So we'll trade the pick. And then look, it couldn't have worked out better for him. So not every team could say, Hey, let's just do that when our receiver gets expensive,

but it is. Trending towards feeling like a quarterback light scenario with the rookie scale contract of will we see more teams just start grabbing up receivers in this class, knowing what the price tag is going to be, not for the ones, but for the twos and the number, the cap number that is associated with some of these third option slot guys now, I think your argument is really well positioned with the trend of how some of the spending is gone. And we've talked about the quarter. Look, it makes all the sense of the world. Hit it on the quarterback in the top 10. It's like you got a free quarterback for four

years. It's the best thing ever. You build out the rest of your roster and then worry about it when it's a little bit later. It doesn't mean you have to do that clearly when you look at Mahomes and all this other stuff, because there was a push for like, can you only win that way? And it just becomes the trend of whatever you're talking about.

But I think there's some truth to kind of discovering this as you're talking about it, just will teams start looking at receivers this way? Because the hit rate has been higher, as you mentioned, and it was a really good piece that was on there. Yeah, and I look at this year's class, right Marvin Harrison We know he's gonna go probably number four overall Malik neighbors will go shortly thereafter Roma Junze from Washington We'll go shortly there after that then we'll have Brian Thomas from LSU

We'll see is it will it be a D Mitchell or Xavier worthy is that both Texas receivers as the next guys off the board. But then there's like everyone else is talked about in the second round. But I want you to listen to these names. Like this class is, it drops off in like the third, middle third and then fourth, fifth, sixth. But this class is loaded in the first two rounds. Xavier LeGette I already mentioned, 6'1", 2'12", physical, ran a 4'3", 9", coming out of South Carolina. Lad Mc-McConkie, you know exactly what he is. Phenomenal route runner, excellent hands, great after the catch. Ricky Persol, best route runner in this year's class, 6119, he ran a 441 faster than people

thought. After that, Keon Coleman, big physical receiver, can get down the field, doesn't have speed, 461, that matches what you see on tape, but he can get late separation. Malachi Corley from Western Kentucky, great after the catch. He's like, you know, they talk about what he can provide. He's just that big physical guy. And I think he's going to be an instant impact player. Roman Wilson from Michigan, Troy Franklin from Oregon. So what was that?

Like 12, 12 guys, 13 guys, somewhere in that range that I just ripped off. All should be immediate impact players. And you get them for four years before you have to start worrying about their contract and that ludicrous money that you were just talking about for second contract wide receivers in the league. Before we finish up, okay,

so we were talking about some of the trade scenarios and I thought like the theory that you had with Arizona in New England with a lot of connections there based on the front office. I was like, I feel like you're really trying to thread a needle to get kind of cute on it. But then Albert Breer had something along the same line. So credit to you for even throwing it out there. But let's talk trade update. Is this an Intel thing? Are you a journalist here in this moment?

The floor is yours. No, I, I, listen, I don't, I think what's going to happen, the more I talk to people, is that I would be shocked if it went any different than Caleb Williams won to Chicago and Jaylen Dan, uh, Jayden Daniels, number two to Washington. Then at three, I truly believe New England's going to wind up sitting there and taking the quarterback. And I think it's going to be Drake May, could be JJ McCarthy. I think I really think it's going to be Drake May. Okay. But my point was last week, there's relationships and this is a relationship business. And we've had this conversation a

couple of times now. Like there's a reason why a deal gets done between certain people. And there's a reason why, like you see the Eagles and the Jets making deals, even on like, you know, second tier players, like there's a history there and like the Ravens and they like study the front offices. They've all worked together, you know? And so what I was saying with Monte Asafo was he had 14, 15 years with New England. And I had been hearing that there's a lot of talk going on. I didn't hear specifically anything, but there's been a lot of talk and people are kind of interested,

because what happens is GMs get off the phone and then they kind of want to call and talk to people like, why am I talking to New England if New England has to move back up? People are trying to figure out what's going on from other sources. And so there's been a lot of talk, New England, people, teams reaching out to New England if New England has to move back up? People are trying to figure out what's going on from other sources. And so there's been a lot of talk, New England, teams reaching out to New England, and then Arizona sitting there with Austin at four, but Arizona doesn't need to trade up because they know quarterbacks going three. So why would there maybe be communication between

Arizona at four and New England at three, and then the Chargers at five and with their new regime there. So I think people were putting dots together and kind of like Albert Brearer was probably talking to some of the same people. Again, 85, 90% chance New England sticks at three, but last year we saw Houston get really creative, right? Moving up and having two back-to-back picks with what they did.

New England, there was some thought in league sources that like maybe New England's trying to make a double move, move back, get a little bit more, and then have a deal to move back up to get the quarterback, or maybe it's not four, maybe it's five with the Chargers, if Ossefort and the Cardinals are gonna sit at four and take Marvin Harrison Jr.

So it was something that I'd heard. And the only reason it was interesting to me to talk about on this podcast is because I don't know that I've ever seen you snub your nose at me more than you did last week when I brought it up. And you're like, yeah, nah, nah, nah, nah. So, so I'm reading through and I see Breers got this whole thing on, but just breaking down exactly kind of the same things I was hearing and I was like, copy paste.

immediate send. Yeah. I think my frustration was more about like New England thinking, so you're going to be this smart. You're going to be this smart to get out of there, take the other guy and then get back in and then take the guy that like, again, your evaluations, your evaluation, you put together your draft board and you're like, that, like again, your evaluation's your evaluation.

You put together your draft board and you're like, hey, we think this guy's better than that guy. So if we have an opportunity to move twice and still get the guy we like, I get it. It just, it really exposes you. It seems too complicated to me. And it seems like a whole lot of work. You still gotta give up a lot to move up.

And for a first time group, Todd, for a first time group, if you get that one wrong, then you're like, oh wait, so you guys try to like counter the counter and then. Right, I wanna reiterate, like 85, 90% chance New England stays at three and drafts Drake May or JJ McCarthy and I would lean Drake May as of right now. But I just.

My eye roll was the concept, not your information. No, I know. And this was a fun conversation because you were such a jerk about it last week. But, and then I read it. But my point is this, and this is actually important. There's a lot of talk going on. We talked about Minnesota at 11, getting that additional pick at 23 with Houston, the trade already made. There's a lot of talk going on between picks four or three, really, three and 11.

It's going to be fascinating to see how that all plays out. I think right now from what I'm hearing, Arizona is most likely to stay put at number four, take the safest picket wide receiver and get their weapon with Marvin Harrison Jr. But the Chargers I think are very likely to move out of number five and take an offensive tackle when they move down is what I'm hearing. So who's going to move into five, what's going to be available at that point. And in the slim chance that new England moves out,

like how could that all affect affect that? And you've got the jets are sitting at number 10. I mentioned that before, the jets are at number 10. They don't have a second round pick or a fifth round pick. And Joe Douglas, from the, you know, the school of Ozzie Newsome and, and, and valuing picks, trusting their board, waiting for teams to get panicky and make a bad deal to move up and give them extra extra capital.

It's not a comfortable position for Joe Douglas to be in entering a draft without a second and a fifth round pick and only seven overall picks. That's not his home. He had to do it. And we'll see what Aaron Rogers provides. And that's the second round pick that they gave to Green Bay, right? They don't have a pick there, but it's more in the DNA of, of Joe Douglas. And it's more in the DNA of, of Joe Ortiz, who's the new general manager of the Chargers sitting at pick number five. They all worked with, you know, Eric DeCosta and Ozzy before him.

Ozzy kind of groomed all of these guys in the same mentality and it's been highly successful. So when you've got two guys sitting at five in Ortiz and Joe Douglas at 10, that value picks and really like to trade back, I think it's gonna be a fascinating draft when we get to picks four through 10. But I think both of those teams are primed to move back

if the right opportunity presents itself. I can't wait. I just got really excited about all this. And just so everybody knows, McShay and I will be live on our YouTube channel, on the Ryan Rosillo YouTube channel. So check it out, subscribe to that one. It's not the McShay and Rosillo YouTube channel?

We can talk about it. I'm sensitive to that, because I know what it felt like. So I will talk to IT for that day. We'll be live Friday, recapping the first round. Uh, but we're going to have Todd and Dan with Jeremiah on next week. So trying to do as much draft as we can. Thanks Todd. All right, brother. Talk to you soon.

He is the voice you heard all weekend. Being a part of history is what Chris Fowler told me he wanted to do one day. And I was like, maybe my goals are not high enough. And John Anik has reached those goals, the voice of the UFC and the man voicing one of the great moments in the history of the sport. John Anik joins us now. What's up, man? Great to be with you. I've never led the league in ambition, that's for sure. My babysitter came over yesterday. John Anick joins us now. What's up, man? Great to be with you. I've never led the league in ambition, that's for sure. My babysitter came over yesterday. She's like, you know, I knew you called these fights, but I didn't know you talked that much. So unbelievable night. And you know when Rossello calls that something pretty significant has happened in the mixed martial arts world.

And I'm not talking about your torn calf muscle. So yeah, maybe we'll get to that a little bit later. I don't know that how that'll affect my rankings. I don't want to be thought of as somebody ducking anything. Uh, look, I love this for the UFC because I'll admit like as a casual fan, you look at the card and you go, all right, maybe, maybe not. You know, I think the heavyweight thing is always something that the casual fan is going to be more interested in, but that's where you make a mistake in this sport.

And you have Holloway is the former featherweight champ who's up to lightweight. And I remember years ago, we were thinking about doing this as its own standalone episode of like, who's the toughest guy and just asking everybody in every sport who the toughest guy is. And you said, Gaethje. I mean, you were on it early. Um, so we know in the fight Ghechi gets his nose broken. The fact that he lasts that long.

Let's just get to the end because the end is now maybe considered a Holloway knocking him out with one second left pointing to the center of the ring being like, I'm going to give you one more chance at this. What was that moment like for you in comparison to every other fight that you've called? It was the most insane finish. I think that I have been a part of, other than maybe Leon Edwards resting victory

from the jaws of defeat and beating Kamara Usman after a largely listless performance for 23 or 24 minutes. But just as far as the BMF belt is concerned, when this was first a thing, there was a lot of trepidation, a lot of people were like, what is this exactly? Could it take away from an undisputed championship? And Justin Gaethje had essentially earned a shot at the undisputed lightweight title.

But now I'm in a place where I really believe our sport needs to crown like the baddest dude. There are actually so many dozens of guys who are worthy of fighting for this distinction. That being said, I'm not sure that there are two guys more worthy of fighting for it than Justin Gaethje and Max Holloway. And to have an epic 24 minutes and then to have Gaethje go face first to the canvas with literally

one second to go. Not two, one second to go. Like I was saying to your producers, sometimes I feel like we have a horseshoe up our ass when it happens like this. I mean, you truly could not have drawn it up any better. And when you parlay all factors together, UFC 300, the ending there,

it's hard to argue against that recency bias or otherwise as the greatest knockout in UFC history. Did you have an out of body experience? Like, do you remember, like I know you remember everything, but as the play-by-play guy, you probably have a few lines that, hey, maybe I could go to this if the story goes this way,

maybe this is something that I'll emphasize, but I don't know that you can ever actually be prepared for that amazing of a moment. So I have only one time in 12 or 13 years of doing this, thought about a word that I might wanna work into a fight ending call. There was Demetrius Johnson back in the day and he was chasing down Anderson Silva and immortality was the word that I worked into the call. I'll never do that again. I want it to be organic to the moment and sometimes just swing and miss,

right? In this moment, the call, the most important part of the call, Ryan, is five words with one second to go, right? That to to me, is the rub. That's the most important thing in all of this, at least as far as the fight ending moment. But yeah, I mean, I don't use my diaphragm properly. I don't usually stand up for a fight ending call. So I was seeing stars. I was on the brink of passing out because I'm essentially cutting off oxygen to my brain as I'm trying to get these words out. I'm battling the crowd. I'm battling the most famous man in America, Joe Rogan, right still as the play-by-play guy trying to punctuate this moment.

So yeah, you know, we found our spots, but really in this moment, it was, you know, with one second to go and that's really what the call was. That's awesome, man. As far as the fight is concerned, there's just, as you said, there's so many guys when you go through the resume and Holloway afterwards to go, yeah, I pointed the center of the ring because I knew that he would do that for

me. And Max has won the fight. I mean, the fact that Gaiotchi makes it through with the broken nose to a second left is its own thing. And Holloway had even said, like, he's like, I could hear them saying, like, don't, when your nose is broken like that, like don't blow it out. Cause then it's over and your eyes, it gets even worse. And yet Holloway out of respect for Gage, he just goes, no, I'm willing, I'm willing to put this in these roundhouse punches. Like this is how like the unskilled fights go where you're just like, one guy's head is just going to be at the wrong level and he might go down first for Holloway to do

that and Dana White even brought it up too. He goes, man, 10 seconds left. You hear the clap. You put your arm up. I won the fight. This is awesome. And I don't even necessarily blame anybody for doing that. You know how hard it is to make it 25 minutes, but for Holloway to have that

in him where he's like, no, just warrior respect here. Let's just blast each other and see what happens. That takes it to like another level for the legend of him. Well, that's just the cloth from which he is cut. And even if you wanted to suggest that at that point in time he didn't think that Gage's power would be able to concuss him. I wouldn't even buy that necessarily.

It's just the way Max Holloway is. He did this at UFC 199 against Ricardo Lamas. I still think he was more defensively responsible in this fight-ending moment than some people want to admit, right? His head movement was fantastic all night long. But for him to sort of put a capstone on this win in that way just speaks to his legend. And shame on people like me, Ryan,

who maybe needed this win for him to anoint him as one of the all-time greats. We all regard him as one of the best featherweights of all time, if not the best featherweight of all time. It's a hard argument. Alexander Volkanovsky has three head-to-head wins against Max Holloway, right? But this win did so much for Max, and perhaps he didn't need it right. Why did he need this type of win? Well now he is ubiquitously regarded as one of the greatest mixed martial arts fighters of all time and he deserved that distinction prior to this weekend. He's just an absolute savage and Gagey man you know there are different levels to broken noses as you can attest as a budding Muay Thai striker yourself. I mean some of them are worse than

others this one appeared to be pretty damn bad, right? The way he took that heel to the face and, you know, blood doesn't always tell the whole story, but his pain threshold is exceedingly high. And as you know, you know, there are a few athletes I have more respect for than Justin Gaethje. So it's just crazy, man. Highest of highs, lowest of lows, right? Like for Justin Gaethje, you know, I'm supposed to play with him in Patrick Bohm's golf tournament in two weeks. Imagine those type of conversations that Gaethje's gonna have relative to maybe what those conversations might have been if that fight ended five seconds prior.

It's fucking insane. Yeah, Gaethje's on the list of, there's fights that I've watched where someone loses and I'll go, all right, I mean, I know this guy lost, but now I like him even better if that's possible. And I mean, it happens, it happens at times. And that's what I love about the sport where it shouldn't be reduced strictly to the like, well, how, you know, why do you like that guy just lost? I'm like considering what he went through.

I mean, he was a slight favorite, so it wasn't like he was a massive favorite in this one and he really worked. I thought Max's legs well, like how did you see the fight going before the spinning kick to his nose? I thought Max was largely dominating. I know one of the three judges had it too, too. I think that's a wayward scorecard. I thought it was largely a virtuoso performance from Max Holloway. And I would suggest- In the first round? In the first round as well?

Well, round one, obviously, G Gates, you got some things done. Round four was a productive round. But when you break the guy's nose at the end of the round, that certainly gives you the round. I would also point to you, Max Holloway, when he fought Calvin Cater. And if I lean this way, the performance is immortalized behind me. Those records that he set that night over 25 minutes, bro, will never be broken right north of 700 strikes thrown. He landed 445 significant strikes.

I was shaking afterwards. I never thought he could top it. He topped it at UFC 300 bro. Like I have been just on cloud nine for max and for the sport like since Saturday night. And I don't know when exactly I'm gonna come down. And I think part of it is that so much work goes into this moment, right? Like UFC 400 is in 2032 and I'm probably not gonna be

the guy on the sticks, right? Like these milestone shows don't happen all that often, right, next one might be eight years from now. I know Conor's fighting in a few months but this was a big deal bro, I just can't even believe it played out as swimmingly as it did. Could you rank all 300 right now? We have like an hour.

Ha! So I did not call UFC 100 nor UFC 200. So I took over UFC 208. So for me, it was like my goal internally. Again, as I led, I'm not a superbly ambitious guy. But I was trying to call 100 successive pay-per-views without missing one, right? And we're almost there, UFC 307. So we're getting close. But for me, you know, I tried to treat it like another pay-per-view, but when you're delivering that pay-per-view open to millions of people at UFC 300, like, it's not gonna be as clean as it was

that morning in my hotel room. It just is what it is. So you have two fights to go after, and it was funny because Bill brought it up and he goes, well, you know, they shouldn't have scheduled it out. And I was watching a lot of the post-fight stuff, uh, this morning actually, and getting ready for this.

And it was just across the board. Like that fight was so special that ending. So like just the peak adrenaline you can ever experience. And I always tell anybody that's just a sports fan, even if you don't think you're a combat sports fan, like you should go to an event because the energy inside the building is unlike anything I've ever been to.

It's one of my favorite things to attend. I just don't have the time to go to it as much. I did look at Brazil, I looked at airfare, but I don't know that that's gonna work out, Ana. So- Let's go! I mean, Rosillo goes immediately to the front of the line with my pay-per-view tickets.

Yeah, I've heard that before, but that's okay. It's okay. I think you're right. Your brother's like- Rosillo ticket's still available, incidentally, it's April 16th. He's like, your brother's like, put him on the GA list, perhaps.

Here's my quote, like how, I just imagine like, hey, I want to do whatever I can for the next two bouts here and give it the respect it deserves, but the audience, it just, the building wasn't gonna have anything left want to do whatever I can for the next two bouts here and give it the respect it deserves. But the audience, it's just the building wasn't going to have anything left after what happened with Holloway. Right. No, you're right. And selfishly, I've been on a headset for seven hours at that point in time. And I always say the one thing I can control is my energy. And at that point in time, I'm not sure that in totality, I could control my energy. And then we have a 25 minute fight

between two Chinese athletes for the Strawway Championship. And while it was compelling and back and forth, it was an exhausting fight to call, especially for Joe Rogan with a lot of the groundwork. Saving grace was that we knew either Alex Padeta or Jamal Hill in the main event was probably gonna take care of business inside of 10 minutes.

But Ro, I have conditioned myself to this beast as a broadcaster, but it is like doing back to back Super Bowls every time we do a pay per view. And when you have a fight like H.E. and Holloway, I think you're right. Bill's right. The Strawway Championship probably should have proceeded it because that was as exhausting a fight as probably I've ever called and as exhausting a week and night as I've ever had as a professional broadcaster.

What do you and Rogan do after a fight like that? If you really want to know, a few years ago, we would go to a private dinner now because I'm chasing paper in my prime. I go up and host the post-fight show. I don't host it, but I do analyst work on the post show. I go work and Rogan goes to one of Las Vegas' finest restaurants. You don't go to the dinners anymore. Are you on text threads where you just say like,

or you're such good friends now that you're the text thread thing, like you guys can speak the same language. Yeah, dude, but I'm just telling you, like the morning of UFC 300, I'm trying to pull up the thread, you know, Rogan DC and I have a text thread, and Rogan's just like spamming us with like emojis

with like hearts in the eyes, right? Couldn't sleep, waking up, truly like Christmas. And for us to be able to see that size of a man, see that side of a man that's larger than life is pretty cool, you know? Like literally spamming us emojis like a child, like it's Christmas morning, so. Yeah, it's cool.

That's the answer I wanted. I didn't want anything weird. I don't think you guys are weird. You're too old now to be weird. Yeah, it's cool. That's the answer I wanted. I didn't want anything weird because I don't think you guys are weird. You're too old now to be weird. Yeah, we are. We're all fossils. I just wanted to know about, yeah, because every now and then there'll be

a surprising emoji guy. Like in my history of texting with people, Chip Kelly's the most surprising emoji guy of all time. I bet. That's funny. I was like, what? Right. We're doing emojis?

Right. Like if Rogan dropped like an LOL, LOL, LOL, you're like, didn't expect that out of you Joe. I started throwing in haas the last couple of years. Dude, you are, I mean, if this is a spectrum, an emoji spectrum, right? Like I could make Riscilla laugh and I don't know that I ever got a ha until yeah,

like probably 2023. No, well, oh yeah, in the text, yeah, probably 2023. Afterwards, Well, oh yeah, in the text, yeah, probably 2023. Afterwards, Paolo is saying, Gaethje built out a titanium. We mentioned that he'd give me that shot. Oh, can I just touch on that real quick? I want you to say anything you need to say that I don't tee you up on. Well, so Gaethje had set up an opportunity to fight for the undisputed lightweight championship

against Islam Akhashev. Right? Last year, he beats Rafael Fazib, like the boogie man in the division, the up and coming young striker that nobody wanted to fight. And then he beats Dustin Poirier with a head kick to win the BMFL. Right? So Gaiji put his Undisputed Lightweight title shot on the line to fight here against Max Holloway.

Right? So as soon as Max wins this fight, he gets on the mic and he says, Gagey didn't have to take this fight, right? If Gagey had $30 million in the bank, I find it hard to believe that he would have defended this BMF belt. And even if he realized five or $6 million at UFC 300, his undisputed lightweight championship title shot

went away and he's a friend of mine. And that's really fucking disappointing, you know? Yeah, that's some nasty math right there. Uh, for Dana to say, when people ask me what I do, quote, I sell holy shit moments, I love the quote because it is still possible without, you know, the heavyweight division being, I would say the headliners that it's been in the past, You know, if you go and look through it all, you're like, wait a minute, what happened again? And you're like, oh, that's right.

Yeah. Because in the Ghanu post to Ghanu and then, you know, Connor's coming back here. What? 302. So you're like, is he fighting as a heavyweight? What's going on? Yeah. It's welterweight, you know, it'll be 170 pounds. Thank God it's not middleweight, but you know he fighting as a heavyweight? What's going on? Yeah, it's welterweight, you know.

It'll be 170 pounds. Thank God it's not middleweight. But yeah, you know, the cupboards never bear. And oftentimes I have invoked Rick Pitino's words and, you know, Larry Bird's not walking through that door. And in MMA and the UFC, it's really the opposite, right? There's always a superstar who walks through that door, whether it's Sugar Sean O'Malley coming off the contender series, Alex Boneta, who just headlined and won at UFC 300, made his UFC debut

in November of 2021, right? He's probably made 15 or 20 million dollars and he's one of the top three biggest superstars in the sport. He wasn't on the roster two and a half years ago. So promotionally, they've done a fantastic job job and to your point, these holy shit moments just seem to happen every other pay-per-view. It's just been an incredible run and yeah, thankful to have a front row seat, my man. Do you still own a copy of Rick Pitino's Success is a Choice on hardcover?

I just hope I age a little bit more gracefully in the face than that guy. I mean, I got my kids telling me that I'm all wrinkled up and I don't wanna get shots in my face, but if I look like Petito, I think I'd have to. I think you still look great. Let's end here. Speaking of the Celtics, we know that you're a huge fan.

And by the way, John is wearing his One More Sleep T-shirt. There's a few designs here. This is the new flagship design. We have to talk about your torn calf though more than my branding. Okay, before we talk about my torn calf, let's talk, because you didn't ask me to do this, but I'm going to do it for you because you're my guy. Where can we go to order one more sleep? JohnAnik.com promo code one more sleep 20% off.

Okay, perfect. Thanks. Apparently, I think this might be a new Celtics highlight for you more so than even 2008. And I know I've told this story before, but like when I first met Anik, he's like, yeah, I have season tickets. I was like, you have season tickets to the Celtics. Like who is this guy? And then he tells, he's like, yeah, I have like the 10 game game pack and the 300s.

And I think it costs like $180 or something. And I was like, this guy is so into this outfit. Cause back then, I don't know if this is true or not now, but the big thing was every arena had to have at least one section of $10 seats. And once things got a little bit better for your boy, I was not up in the 300s a lot. And I remember one time I like just took the elevator

up there to use the bathroom or something. And I went, oh my God, like I forgot. I forgot what it was like up here. Meanwhile, annex just going single, single ticket. Here I am. Cause I'm like, how can he even afford these? He's like, no, I got a 10 game pack, 120 bucks on the year or whatever it was. Yeah. It was, it was awesome. So. For Zingas ordered a shirt from you, apparently. So he's a rabid mixed martial arts fan. So we've sort ofid mixed martial arts fan so we've sort of struck up a little bit of a personal relationship and yeah lo and

behold Chris Stabs, poor Zingus goes to JohnAnik.com and buys a one more sleep t-shirt so yeah that became the biggest Celtics highlight for me you know Ryan Rosillo once presented me and may he rest in peace with a Justin Reed game worn autographed Saltlix jersey that is still in my closet and obviously it hit me hard when Justin passed away a few years ago but this moment for me like can you imagine when my twin brother calls me is like dude you're not gonna believe just bought a t-shirt fucking Chris Stabsport Zingas so yeah needless to say my heart has

always been invested with that that franchise but never more so than uh than right here right now. So yeah. And how about Joe Missoula, dude, wearing a Zhong Wei Li t-shirt to the morning workout the day after UFC 300? I mean, you know. I want someone to ask Missoula what belt he is

and he'll just go like, I don't, the style I study, my dojo, like we don't emphasize, we know our ranking spiritually. Right, he'd be like, dude, no geek, I don't wear a geek when I train. He might, by the way, and he might actually have a belt assignment, but I don't really know,

and I think I just made up that term. But yeah, I think we end on this, torn calf, I feel fine. It's a very cool answer when I get to tell somebody, hey, how'd you do that? Walking, you know, old. Oh, would you fall? Like, no, movie tie. So at least I have that answer cool, but it wasn't like I did it in some really super cool way.

I was doing, yeah, I threw knees. I kept throwing knees and I planted to throw another knee. And then when I planted it popped and it hurt really bad and I fell down and I thought it was my Achilles and I was reaching for my Achilles and I was like, it feels like it's still there. And I go, everybody that's ever blown their Achilles tells me it doesn't really hurt that bad and you can walk. And I was in a lot of pain and couldn't walk.

So wheelchair to emergency care, my coach had to like, put me from his car into my car so I could just drive emergency care immediately, but I couldn't get out of the car. And then they were like, yeah, it's not your Achilles. They get your calf at the X-ray, which then getting MRIs is like, you know, it's, it's brutal. So they were like, it's torn, but walking boot. And I actually feel a lot better pretty

quickly, which I know is probably the mistake to think like, Oh, I thought it would take me six to eight weeks to get back. And then I was like, Hey, I think I could like three weeks, probably throw some punches. But I'm gonna hold off. Well, your issue is you're a clean athlete. I mean, this is a pretty appreciable setback as far as your amateur Muay Thai debut. You were born in 1975.

And- Little late, little late to get into that. As far as I know, you're largely clean, but at our age, right, when you're not doing strength and conditioning and running and things like that exclusively, when you play sports, you get injured. But I don't know that my life is going to be complete unless this amateur Muay Thai fight happens for Ryan Rusilo.

So you got to train smarter and not harder. Like what are you guys doing? Well, we go pretty hard. Yeah. Dynamic workouts or the warmups in the beginning. Nothing's ever kicked my ass like those. Like we do these five minute work warmups and then, you know, I'll try to be going through and then we get to the end where I'm just trying to not get punched in the face. And I'm like, you know, what'd be great is if we got to do

these ones where I didn't blow out all of my endurance in the five minute warmup, like we just, can we do a day where I don't have to do all of these absurd and they're not absurd, they're good. They work. But when you do their five minute warmup with the different stuff that you have to do, like five minutes into the hour, you're going, how the fuck

am I going to make it through this? Right. Right. And I've never wanted to say, Hey, I cannot do this. And then I had a different injury once where he's like, are you okay today? And I was like, I think I'll be fine.

And the first step I took in the ladder, I fell down and he was like, okay, maybe we go, maybe we go, I think I'll be fine. And the first step I took in the ladder, I fell down. And he was like, okay, maybe we go. He's like, maybe we just work on, on Perry's and slips today. I was like, yeah, maybe we just do that today. Maybe we just kind of hone those in a little bit. So I don't know. I don't know, man.

I think there's probably a reason people don't pick it up at 48, but I did have a little, little foundation in there from years and years ago, but nothing where I would ever claim to, to be, uh, you know, cause just talking about this, you know, what's going to happen to me, that's seven emails being like, I'd kick your ass loser and be like, all right, awesome. Yeah. Thanks.

Well, uh, at John underscore Annick, if you have a possible opponent for Rossello, I do have one guy in mind. He's two years younger. He's 46. We'll take that offline. Um, do you play fives anymore? Do you play basketball up and down or no? Yeah, I was, I played the same week.

All right. So yeah, I mean, if you're really trying to fight in Muay Thai one time before, you know, your dirt nap, you need to stop playing basketball right now. Like you need to, that's just that. I mean, you tear, you tear an Achilles or do something like that. And then, you know, we'll put this to bed for good, but you know, anyone who's seen you hit pads knows why I want this to happen. I still think you want, I still think you resent me from having, having a

tough transition to being my cohost where I was like, no one talked to me about this. And I think deep down, Annick likes me, but he's like, I'd like to see him get his ass kicked once. All right. We've talked about this too much already. I love you, man. I'm so happy for all of your success. And then for everybody to just be reunited with you in a big moment

in sports, on social media. It always puts a huge smile on my face. So thank you to John, the great John Anik. My man. And if you want to be a single man in Brazil, UFC 301 is May 4th. My tickets will be left at Zufa. We'll call under your name. The Alliance gears up for the NBA playoffs, but first it's the play-in.

We've got Kyle and Saruti. Okay. for the NBA plus but first it's the play in we've got Kyle and Saruti okay so we're going to go with the Golden State Warriors and the Sacramento Kings game here. Saruti is kind of like our microchip for the punisher trying to keep us on top of all of this because we put it together this morning and we have to double check everything so what's the line what's the line in the game as of right now? Well it was minus two and a half and now it's minus two warriors favored so it's moved the totals come way down and I Think I think the Warriors went up. It was like minus one originally went up to two and a half

Maybe three and now it's back down to two. Okay. All right So I'm gonna go Warriors money line. The season series is even they haven't played a ton of games recently They had one in October, two in November. Their last game was January 25th. Season series split 2-2, three of the four games were one point games. Fox missed one, Draymond missed the first one. Just so you go with the overall stuff, these teams are pretty equally matched. I'm going to go Golden State Moneyline.

One, because I just think that Golden State with the way, like they had to grind so hard and I feel like this is like the first break that they've had in a while and no monk, no Kevin H. So this game could go either way, who knows, but I'm just going to go with the pedigree of Golden State a little bit here and then I don't think it's a size mismatch that Golden State would have to worry about with some of their other matchups. And then I think my other part that I'm going to go with here is Clay over 15 and a half. He's been lights out shooting this month. He's just been a better player in comparison to those really, really down stretches.

So the 15 and a half, or excuse me, it's 15 points or more, right? Because there was just hold. 15 and a half. I had 15 and a half. Yeah have to do half. Yeah, all. Alright, so we want all on that one. I tried to find a sub bonus number in there. He doesn't necessarily light it up against them. He's actually had a couple like not great games.

Well, probably just one great game in the third one in that one. And you could look at it as a dream on thing, but dream on played 283331. I just didn't feel comfortable guys with like a sub bonus play here where you're like, OK, let me take an under. The numbers are stupid because it's like 13 and a half rebounds. Right. You know, eight and a half.

He's been awesome. Like it's basically like a triple double. You're like, I don't know. Who knows? I'm not comfortable with any of that. And I've already got I think I actually did hit one of his, but it barely hit. So I'm going to stay away from that for sure. But yeah, I mean, obviously this all changed. If Kevin heard it was playing, we wouldn't, this would be totally different.

But you know, our guy, but good call on the golden state money line. Want me to go? Yeah. How you go? I'm going to go last because I screwed up last time. So I'm going to go last. Okay. Uh, your boys had really good rebound intuition, specifically alt rebound intuition.

So I'm going to stick with that. True. We're going to De'Aaron Fox over four and a half alternate rebounds he averages four point seven rebounds a game versus Golden State I just was tinkering around on the old ESPN stat thing so I think you know this game means a little more and and we can get we can expect above the average from him today so over four and a half rebounds for Darren Fox you are right like whenever I call us then it'd be like today. So over four and a half rebounds for Darren Fox. You are right.

Like whenever I Kyle said, it'd be like Kailin Brown over five and a half boards. I'm like random. He gets 12. Then he gets 12. Yeah. And honestly keep doing you, man. I got to follow you on some of these bets.

I'm going to go, I'll wrap it up with our fourth leg here. I'm going to go Harrison Barnes over 11 and a half points. That's an alt number. He has done this in three out of the four games against the Warriors this year. He went for 39 the last time they play. just like kind of left him open which is weird And as you mentioned no herder no Malik monk They're gonna have to he's they're gonna need some scoring from him. So I like him to score at least 12 points

Okay, there you go. What's the payout on that? It's about plus 400 So we're about we're about right at the good number. Okay, the alliance rolls on you want details by I Drive a Ferrari 355 Cabriolet. What's up? I have a ridiculous house in the South Fork. I have every toy you can possibly imagine. And best of all kids, I am

liquid. So, now you know what's possible. Let me tell you what's required. The email address is always lifeadvicerr at gmail.com. What is up to Kyle? What is up to Steve? Let's just get what's required. The email address is always lifeadvicerr at gmail.com. What is up to Kyle? What is up to Steve? Let's just get right into it.

Broken valuables, roommate stuff. Heat zone for us. 6-2-2-0-5, undersized Timofey Mozgov. Timofey has not taken off as a name in the States. Last night, I was out having some cold ones with a group of buddies debating whether Scottie Scheffler is good for golf. Yukon women's hoops. Debate there. I got it. On my way back to the apartment, I get a text from my roommate that says,

yo, freak accident. The animal painting fell and your Kentucky Derby whiskey bottle broke. Look kind of expensive. Can I, I can buy you a new one. Kentucky Derby bottle. Way to get out in front of it. I'm sure, I'm sure the thing just fell off the wall. When somebody's getting out in front of it like that, there was some chicannery going on, but let's, we live in it. All right, maybe let's continue with the facts or the facts as they are portrayed to our email. Or we live in an apartment.

So like every basic female, is it okay to use that word? Uh, kind of frown on it. We have a bar cart, except for a set of wine and deep ed it. We have a bar cart, except for instead of wine and deep eddies. We have a hand. I have a handful of whiskey bourbon bottles. So when he said that my Kentucky Derby bottle broke, I was bummed, but figured it was a $50 bottle of Woodford reserve Woodford to Woodford. Um, so not a big deal because I can replace it.

The issue is that I'm a sick person and I have invested in a race horse. I don't think this is a health issue. It was $500 for 1% of the horse, so nothing crazy. Just treated it as a hobby. Well, the horse ended up doing well and last year won a pretty big race, $150,000 purse at Kentucky Downs. This is a racetrack. A company in Kentucky makes these custom hand engraved bourbon bottles that they sell to the winners of the big races at Kentucky Downs.

In case you think I'm an idiot, it's not Churchill Downs. There's another racetrack called Kentucky Downs. We didn't think you were an idiot. Somebody else would probably write that in and be like, dude, this guy has bourbon from a fake race that was not even, yeah, anyway. Because I was treating my horse ownership as a hobby and not an investment. I use my portion of the winnings from the race to purchase a winner's bottle.

Pictures attached, as you can see it looks sweet. As a horse's name in jockey silks on the back. The bottle cost me 250 bucks. It's Angel's Envy, which is an 80-ish dollar bottle of bourbon. The bottle itself that made it expensive. Well, by this point, you probably guessed that the Kentucky Derby bottle, I love that he didn't know which Kentucky Derby bottle may have broken.

And I don't know why he would have thought it was a Woodford too, but anyway, that's the expensive one. So not the Woodford, which is 50, it's the $250 custom made one. That's a trophy for my horse winning a race. I actually think I love this guy. So now I'm a little more bothered by it all. Emailing three strangers to see whether you think he should be responsible for anything If so, how do I make that ask some additional details? The bar cart was in its place before the painting My roommate hung the painting above it. He used one small nail. It was a framed canvas. So not super heavy Not super light. I'd say he was right on the line of negligent hanging

Epstein style. Okay, political. Well, I guess topical joke there. Maybe not headliner, but I got a big old dent in the framing of my staircase because of this. I just didn't use the right nail. So it is, it's not great. Does happen. You know, you don't think you have to bring out the stud finder for that for canvas, but all right I'm close with my roommate have been for a long time We have like 10 months left on this lease. So don't want to cause any major ruffles I'm going to hear back about whether I'll be able to purchase a replacement bottle I think that would impact how I would handle this situation and how I address it with my roommate

Please let me know your thoughts for both situations either if I can get a replacement or I can't Okay He sent in the pictures ahead of time Let me know your thoughts for both situations. Either if I can get a replacement or I can't. Uh, okay. He sent in the pictures ahead of time, thick thumb on this guy. Uh, it's a really cool bottle. It's really cool. The winner's bottle, uh, and the pictures were taken obviously before it was broken. Kyle. So you seem to automatically just, you're sniffing out some mayhem. Well, it's not, it's not like proven. I guess I guess I just thought because of

the way he like reached out, like usually you wait till someone gets home and you're like, all right, I got some bad news, but like to get out in front of it, it just made me think. But when it's like, Oh, maybe it was a shoddy, uh, you know, pinup job there, like, and, and, and that's really all it comes down to. Fine. Uh, I can tell you any of these guys, Judge Mathis, Judge Judy, any of these people, you're not getting a dollar because you would have had to say something at that point when it was like, hey, I really don't like the way this picture is put up. Can we like maybe do something about this?

You basically were, you know, you're an accomplice if you're living in the, you know, in this space. So the judges wouldn't give you anything. I think maybe if this person wants to, you know, throw a reasonable amount of money or cover the whole cost, that's cool. But I don't know, I think I would kind of, I would charge it to the game at this point. It's like, this is why you live alone, if you can afford it.

But I would see like, you know, what's the best case scenario here, but I really wouldn't like harp on this. You know, I lived with a bunch of dudes before shit was getting broken all the time and some of the larger things like a laptop that like you need for work, that's kind of got to get squared away, but you know, other things just kind of get destroyed and that's, that's kind of part of it. I mean, does this guy even have two 50 to throw around like that?

And if he doesn't, then that's probably your answer. I would, if I was the person who did this, I would feel obligated to at least try to figure out how much money I could scrape together to try to give him at least something to buy a new one or at least to pay him for the damages. Just as a good human, I feel like that's the right thing to do. Now I don't know if your roommate is necessarily going to do that. I think the picture framing thing, it's, they're both things are his fault, right? Like he, it fell over and he was the one

that hung the picture up. So like, it's kind of all on him. So I think he's got to own it. If he doesn't do it, like, do you, is this a guy that's gonna be a core guy for a long, you said the lease is breaking, so you don't want to like ruffle any feathers, but like, is this gonna,

is this guy gonna be in your life for a long time? Does it really matter? I think these are all the questions you have to ask. Well, the questions I would ask are, does he break stuff regularly? Also that, yup. You know, is this something that's a bit out of character? It just happens because guess what? When you have a place and you have stuff in it, sometimes stuff gets ruined. And it's not because somebody's a terrible roommate.

It can be just something happens. You know, many times like, as I've moved a bunch recently and I'm carrying something down the staircase and I hit. The sheet rock with the thing I was carrying. And then I had like the next time I did it, I went, Hey, pep talk, like, how about you hold it the proper way plan for the turns and stop fucking up your sheet rock when you do this, because you're like trying to set some sort of speed record. You just annoy the like, get in the right mindset that there's two ways to do this. Like, you're like, you're like, you do this because you're like trying to set some sort of speed record

or you just annoy the, like get in the right mindset that there's two ways to do this. The way you've been doing it, we're like, oh cool. I banged that edge or I smashed in that corner or I did this wrong. Like you could not do those things, just prepare yourself for it. And so I've tried to make that change in my life

because I just got sick of like, I felt like I kept doing it a lot. Yeah. My butt, my dad, I never understood like when I was younger, when I'd move stuff around and my dad would just get so worked up about it. I'm like, whatever.

It's just like a little ding in the, in like the, you know, in the framing, whatever. And now as an adult, I'm like, God, what a fucking idiot I was back then. Like why are you ruining stuff around the house? Like be more careful. Like my dad used to call us chip and Nick. Cause we would just like, whenever we'd move

stuff, things would break. call us Chip and Nick, because we would just like whenever we'd move stuff, things would break. Kyle loved Chip and Nick. That's clever. Gets the point across, it's funny. Chip and Nick are here, fucking up our sheetrock corners. Yeah, so I've gotten better in my life.

Like what have you done? What kind of personal growth have you had? Well, I don't ruin my sheetrock anymore when I go down the stairs. If you were just somewhere at some seminar, like what was, what did you do? People just start clapping. Yeah, like, hey, that's seriously,

that's hard to do. That's something to do. Yeah. It's been a long road. Let me tell you. So let's, if he doesn't do these things ever or very often, that's, that's credit to him. As far as the hanging litigation. I Kyle, I don't know about the judge part of it because like there's no way the emailer could go to the roommate and be like, okay, you've done the work. Now I'm going to inspect it. Nobody

would ever do that. Well, he said that it was a bad hang job, right? So if you knew that information, how did you? Potentially. Right. Okay. Potentially. So I guess I'm just thinking with Judge Judy being the toughest would have been like, you walk past that picture a million times and whatever, like, I don't care who said what or what was there first. How long was it up?

Was it up for more than a couple weeks, a month? All right. So you've all agreed this is how it goes. So I think that with lack of proof and just a bunch of circumstantial evidence, this wouldn't get hashed out in court. I think the way this could get a little wonky is if he was like in the initial text, he was like, I'll pay for it. And he Googled the bottle and it's like, it's a 1.75 of this. And he's like, oh, there it's 80 bucks. And you're like, oh, actually that was a special bottle. And

it's actually three times as much as you think. That's where maybe he would be like, well, I didn't plan for all this, but it sounds like he's on the right path where he's like, I want to, you know, my initial reaction is I want to try to make you whole. So hopefully like the actual price of buying another one of these bottles doesn't take him out of the running. Cause he might just be like, whoa, whoa, whoa, come on. I'm not going to give you the special edition. Take them out of the running. I like just be like, whoa, whoa, whoa, come on. I'm not going to get the special edition. Take them out of the running. I like what you did there. Yeah. So the first sentence is looks kind of expensive.

I can buy you a new one. So I think that's a really good part of this whole thing, right? This guy's roommate owns a horse, so he's probably doing all right. Like, yeah, I live with the guy that's got a horse. Um, I could also just say, Hey, no one can take that memory away from you. When copper missile won this race, I could do that. That's something like somebody's mom would do. And you're like, eh, uh, it's a really nice bottle, but I'll tell you like this

bottle from the Kentucky downs, 2023. I don't know if it could be replaced. I don't imagine they made a bunch of extras thinking they'd ever be able to sell them. So I like how Kyle also wondered like, hey, if it's 80 bucks, I'm in. Oh wait, it's 250, out. This is the scale of like, I was willing to help

until I heard how absurdly expensive that one was. It seems, I don't know if it's, I would see it, it's probably unlikely that you'd be able to replace it maybe because it's from 23 Kentucky downs. Maybe there's still one lying around. And then your roommate said like, hey, you broke the more expensive thing. So if a dart fell through a hang in there kitten HR poster

versus a dart going through some sort of, hey, I'm a grownup and I'm buying stuff from Crate and Barrel now, that's a wagon wheel rusted, you know, in a yard, start hooking up with a next level of lady around these parts. That's the piece man. Right. Yeah. Yeah. See that print that wheels rusted. We took, we took down my Sean Kemp rain man poster. We put up this rusted wagon wheel.

Start looking at engagement rings pretty soon. So, um. So what are you saying though? Are you saying that, are you saying that if he can't get a replacement that he should just pay like the 80 bucks? No, no. I'm just, I was kind of like, I think Kyle shared a window into his soul a bit where it was like when it was 80 bucks I was in for helping, but when it was 250 that's just an absurd price for a bottle of whiskey and I'm not going to help you with that. I don't think it's about the money though. I think it's about the item and I can tell you this, it's a really cool thing. It's awesome that you were part of this. You own a horse, man. Part of a horse. But at a certain age, men prioritize items in their collection of things way too much. And if you were seeing somebody significant, you're going to miss, she wasn't going to want this hanging

up proudly displayed in your three bedroom, maybe 2000 square foot house that the realtor said you can refinance next year. Don't worry about it. three bedroom, maybe 2000 square foot house that the realtor said you can refinance next year, don't worry about it. Uh, I think, I think it sucks right now, but if there'll be a moment where you're just not going to care about this broken bottle as much as you do right now, because I would have cared about this bottle tremendously if I want to race

with my horse and all this kind of stuff. And then it would be like move number four, where I go, I keep moving this bottle around and it's probably going to get broken. So maybe I drink it or maybe you already had and you just kept the empty bottle. I'm not trying to minimize your excitement of this heirloom, but it's an heirloom you're not going to care about as much later on. And it sounds like the roommates done everything, explained it to you. It's a freak thing. I don't know the tension rates of the nail he used. But if he's willing to pay for it,

it's something that just kind of sucks. And these things are unavoidable. And it doesn't necessarily mean that anybody was doing something incredibly wrong. Yeah. It's also a palatable amount of negligence, right? On the scale of negligence, this is near like a one or two. It wasn't like him and his drunk cousin were having a fucking pillow fight or a wrestling match or something, right? It was like, I don't know, you know, the nail came out after it had been secured. So like, it's definitely something you could live with where it's not like, God, he was just being an asshole. And he, you know, he always does this. It's not one of those things. So should make it a little easier just to find a resolution. Um, we had an update here on Kyle's rating. It wasn't really a rating. It's just the argument of ones, twos and threes. You know, like Jaylen Brunson went from a two to

a one and there's hope that Kyle could be a one. So our guy chimed in, he said, Kyle's a 1.5, might be a two now, but once he gets enough exposure, he's prime for his own successful spinoff. Think Frasier, could Kyle be like Frasier is a question for all of us. But throw that in my daily affirmations, this is great. Kyle on a judge show, yeah, Kyle could be a one. Who's more knowledgeable than Kyle? Like a bailiff who has some opinions yeah no I

want you to be the judge I think you'd be incredible at it I just don't know about the law degree in being named a judge all of them have actually judge and that shows great is oh yes you'd be like a modern-day Steve Wilcox you know that guy just running around to settle and settle settling issues. Jesus Christ. I think you'd do well. I think everybody'd like you a lot. Oh, shucks. No, I really do. Cause Kyle'd be like, hey man,

I don't want to do this to you, but that was his ski-do. We've all tripped and broke something before. Like, come on, I get it. Yeah. Hey, can on. I get it. Hey, can't we all fucking relax? Oh man. Get you guys just work it out.

All right, anyway, let's do one here. This is always a good one. 29, five, four. 140. Really, you really held on that five, four. Just making sure. Tough, tough, tough look. Just making sure.

Guys, I'm playing. That's nice. Hey, this guy's already bummed out. You guys can stop. You were the one that did it. You're the five four long pause. I just would make sure I was, I was reading it wrong. Cop is County George.

This guy's going to be like, he's going to 30 have turned it off. Like these guys get two buckets, two assists gets cooked on decant rebound. Quentin George gets you more than two buckets. I think I voted them all second team NBA. So I was like running out of rookies. I like nine or 10. I work in sales at a large and competitive company that requires us to entertain

clients frequently. I'm trying to get promoted, but at the moment there isn't an open role. There are however, two salespeople who I consistently see abuse the corporate card and brag about it. I'm not talking about the occasional expense, Ubers or lunches. They brag about going to the nicest,

most expensive restaurants in the city and paying the entire bill for their friends. Just last week, they bragged about a $5,000 bill they spent on a birthday party for a friend. I've seen them go to concerts, buy merch, and submit it as a client expense. They're careful enough to not brag about this in front of management. I know I shouldn't say anything, but it's incredibly frustrating that I can't get a

raise or promotion because the company is tightening the belt. Yet these two are wasting $40,000 a year on fake expenses. What do I do here? Love the pod. Shout out to Kyle's rabbits. It sucks. I feel you. You can't do anything.

I just don't think you can tell on these guys. Maybe some people would disagree and really feel like, you know, like the bartenders back in the day of like, Hey, hooking a friend up here, friend up there, whatever. And then I'll just never forget this woman scolding us saying essentially like, it's not your alcohol to give away.

And you're like, yeah, that's really like, that's a very strict theory. But if ownership kind of understands like, there's ways around and every owner was different. And if you work for like a more corporate thing, it was, it was unheard of that you'd be taking care of people. But you know, she was, she was like adamant about the whole thing of like, But she was adamant about the whole thing of everything, full price, all night long. It's not your booze. That was her theory on bartending and life, not even specific to this one place that we work with. And granted, everybody else gave her the eye roll. And some guys are really abusive about it. And other guys are doing it within the understanding of like how a manager would be like, yeah, you know,

like I get it. I think there's going to be a few people here and there. And of course, for tonight, it's not that big of a deal. But this sounds like pretty, like you start throwing on Travis Scott hoodies. This is, this is a lot. And I'm sure you're really mad, but do you think, like, are you making it a bigger thing by saying,

I can't get a promotion because we're tightening the belt, but would these guys like, are you, are you're really mad, but do you think like, are you making it a bigger thing by saying, I can't get a promotion because we're tightening the belt, but would these guys like, are you, are you connecting these things in a way that maybe they're not really connected? I just would want you to talk yourself through you scheduling the time with the superior walking through and telling about two other guys on your team. When do you know for certain? It sounds like you kind of know for certain, but then you would almost have to like prove it and you would just

be like, you want to talk about a hornet's nest of stuff and then we're going to talk industry. Is there any chance that there could be industry like later on? Okay, these guys get fired, you get a promotion, but you all kind of work in the same industry and then everybody thinks you're an asshole because there are a lot of people that live in the gray areas when it comes to the expense bar. Even the people that you would report it to might not be into like, you know, I've worked camp counselor and stuff like that. And sometimes the people who are like, you know, oh, did you know what he's doing over

there? Sometimes you're like, can you just not? This is great. Like you might, they might even look at you differently, you know, even if, even if you know, you're right about stuff like that. So, I mean, it doesn't always have the payoff that you think it does when you're like, Oh, well this, you know, I'm reporting this and, and you know, if it's, if it's kind of harmless in that way, or at least it's not, it's not terrible. I think you, you might just damage your whole reputation, just even with the people above you,

let alone the people that you're thinking about squealing on. I totally agree. Like what's the end game here? Like you tattle on these guys and your boss is just like, dude, great work. Like slides paper over and like, here's your promotion. I don't know why that was so funny. Cause it's like, you just create deliveries.

I just don't, that's not happening. That was one delivery right there. I know that person is never going to be relaxed around you either. He go above me now to, you know, so like your, your anger is justifiable. Totally get it. But I also I'm with you guys. I don't, I don't know if we're talking like 40 grand. I don't know what the job is.

I don't know what the promotion would be, but then you're talking about, I don't know, are there any added benefits to what you're getting? It's not just the 40 grand, who knows? If they weren't doing this, there's a very high likelihood that you also still wouldn't be promoted. So it's just not worth it.

Unless you could directly connect those two things, which you're never gonna be able to. Yeah, I don't think it's ever worth it. Right, by the way, like imagine going, hey, these guys are doing this and I can't get a promotion. So let's solve some problems today. They would just screw us.

All right, that'll do it for the pod today. Thanks to Saruti, thanks to Kyle, thanks to Wargon. We'll be back on Thursday. We'll have a couple of playing games behind us. And then again, the week leading up to the draft, we're gonna do a Tuesday show. There's a chance we may do a little extra something with the playoffs starting up too,

but then we'll also be live on the YouTube channel with a full episode on Friday after the first round of the NFL Draft. So please subscribe to Ryan Russo, our YouTube channel. And Saruti, you seem to have something you wanna add here. Well, we've got some potential

like fun different life advices coming up. Do you want to tease one or do we want to just wait on that? Yes, put in if you want to talk about power lifting and getting massive. My guy Chad Wesley Smith who is big come big dude. He's a big dude. He's really strong. He's got an incredible resume. He works with NFL dudes. He's also like a bad-ass. I saw some jujitsu competition he was in and I was like, oh my God. And then I was like, yeah, I think that other guy retired after that match or whatever, um, he couldn't be nicer. And he's done the impossible.

He just kept kind of forcing the friendship on me. And then I was like, yeah, this guy is awesome. I like him now. And I think he even admitted that he was just like, yeah, I kept falling up with you every now and then. Now we're sharing way too much. The point is this, he wants to come on and he wants to do life advice.

I want him to do life advice. So it wasn't like it was his idea for this thing. Bulk advice. It's bulking, strictly bulking. This guy's strong as hell. And he keeps telling me, he's like, we get you to eight plates. And I'm like, I don't think I'll be able to press four or five. You know,

I've accepted that. I don't think I'm going to get four or five. And he was like, no, we get you there. He's like, you just have to train specific chest. And I was like, is it worth it at the stage of my life to train just one way specifically to get one rep of four or five one time? Like I'd like to think I'm maturing a bit because I'm not super into the idea where, you know, 10 years ago, Hey guys, like to think I'm maturing a bit because I'm not super into the idea where, you know, 10 years ago, hey guys, gotta take six weeks off

training to do a rep of this. And I don't even know if I can do it. So anyway, the point is if you have specific lifting, this is for the OGs out there, all right? The guys that wanna get bigger, thick, mass, all right? We're gonna do it all. And so in your life advice, put life advice, Chad gains. But I think he can do all the stuff because he works with athletes and

maybe I have to send him injury questions constantly, unfortunately, poor guy. So yeah, they'll just like look fitness in general, but you know, we may lean a bit towards, I feel like the guys, these guys just don't get enough love anymore. So let's do that. We've got ones for financial stuff. We're gonna do a dating from the female perspective. We're gonna do a writing one.

So we've got some stuff in the works. Yeah, a woman's perspective too. So, okay, sounds good. We'll get those going. Also known as the woman's perspective. Ryan Roussela. Bring your Spotify. Must be 21 and older, 18 plus in DC and present in select states. Fandual is offering online sports wagering in Kansas under agreement with Kansas Star Casino LLC.

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