The Ryen Russillo Podcast - Post NFL Combine Top 10 Mock Draft with Todd McShay, NBA Tales from the Couch, Plus Live Advice on YouTube!

Episode Date: March 5, 2024

Russillo starts the show with his thoughts on Clippers-Bucks and Thunder-Lakers (0:41). Then, he’s joined by Todd McShay to go over his top 10 mock draft following the NFL combine, and answer five burning questions before the draft (19:27). Plus, Live Advice with Ceruti and Kyle! Is a husband that wants to be mean to his wife on his birthday a red flag (69:14)? Check us out on Youtube for exclusive clips, live streams, and more at https://www.youtube.com/@RyenRussilloPodcast The Ringer is committed to responsible gaming. Please check out theringer.com/RG to find out more, or listen to the end of the episode for additional details. Host: Ryen Russillo Guest: Todd McShay Producers: Steve Ceruti, Kyle Crichton, and Mike Wargon Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

On today's podcast, a little tear from the couch Los Angeles, the Clippers lose on the road, Lakers win at home. Those are the two games that I was definitely locked in on, although I laughed a lot watching Memphis and Brooklyn. And we're gonna have Todd McShay post combine. He's going to give us his mock for the top 10 and also some other stuff outside of those top 10 picks. And we have life advice, but it was live advice today in our first episode on our YouTube channel, which we would encourage you to please subscribe to Ryan Russela podcast on YouTube. Little tales from the couch because we're gonna do so much draft stuff today. Little tales from the couch because we're gonna do so much draft stuff today

We got two LA games that I was focused on Clippers at Milwaukee. So we'll go with that game first news and notes on that one No, Yana's he's only missed three games this season, but no Chris Middleton. This one's a little bit more alarming It was an update before the game that basically was no update. He's had this ankle injury He's missed 11 straight games. He's actually only missed 19 games in the season injury. He's missed 11 straight games. He's actually missed 19 games in the season. But the update was that we don't really know when he's coming back. Giannis, on the other side of things, you do realize he's averaging 31 a game at 62% from the floor. So he's over 30 and over 60 from the floor. No player has ever done that for a full season and no player has ever done it as late into a season as Giannis is doing it. So if you wanted to net off, no problem.

By the way, his true shooting percentage for his career is 6'10". It's 6'57 this season. Incredible stuff. All right, so we expected a big game night and we got it. He had 15 points in the first quarter. There was a lot of stuff during the game that I was worried about with Milwaukee. I was worried about some of the defensive stuff. We'll get you those numbers that are a lot better now if you go over the last, I don't know, 15 games or so.

But I was worried about some of the individual defense because of what the Clippers provide. And when I was looking at it, I'm like, okay, so Pat Bev's on Paul George's star and he's going to harass the shit out of him. But, you know, eventually the George size thing's going to be too much for him. Although there was a pretty funny moment. It depends on how you feel about Pat Bev. Others might find it annoying, but Pat Bev got knocked down. George was standing near him and Pat Bev was like, help me up. Help me up to Paul George. Meanwhile, his Bucks teammate was closer to him, but Bev was just sitting there essentially, I guess trolling in a way, although that word is overused. George for not reaching down and

helping him get back up. And obviously Pat knew what he was doing. And then he had J Crowder on Kawhi where I was like, okay, this is a problem because the times early on when it looked like a Y wanted to get past J Crowder, he could do it at any point. And that may have spoke to why the minutes were the minutes the way they were to close this game. So a couple of quick hitters.

I'm worried about Bones Highland's entry passes. Another one, Amir Koffee. Does he play too fast? Great energy. And that's why he's out there in the 42% from three, but plays really fast. Sometimes it feels too fast. LA is up 5548 at the half. I got worried about Milwaukee again, because during the third quarter stretch, Dane was playing with four guys that can't create. So I'm kind of like looking at the rotations going, all right, what are they trying to do here? It's Crowder again, it's Beverly.

Although Beverly was good. And then Brooke Lopez, who you have to keep around to battle the Clippers on the bigger side of things. And then Beasley, who just, you know, had a bad game shooting. So when I was looking at those four with Dame, I'm like, where's the shot creation going to come out of this? Where Dame's going to get stuck on some of the possessions, but it didn't really matter because Dame was still doing enough.

He had 29 points to three quarters. Then when I was looking at what they were doing defensively with Dame, they actually had Kauai on him. I think some possessions there to close the third and then definitely a lot more into the fourth. And looking at some of the J-Crowder stuff that I didn't like from last night, I think there's a reason he only played 18 minutes. He also, if you go across his stat line and look at like the

analytics for him, it's a pretty strong argument. This is the worst season he's ever had going back to when he even got started with Dallas. So I'm sitting here constantly worried about, you know, LA's up. I'm worried about Milwaukee and some of this rotational stuff. And then it's 81-73, going into the fourth quarter. We mentioned the Dame totals, so he's getting it stuff. And then it's 81-73 going into the fourth quarter. We mentioned the Dame totals, so he's getting it done. And then he basically controlled the game, even if he wasn't making shots, because the Clippers sold out so much defensively

against him and will run through some of that stuff. When you set that high screen for Dame, he gets into a shot off of it so quickly that it's really hard for you to even react, even most players coming off that screen and wanting to keep two with the ball handler, in this case, Lillard. You should still be able to get a decent enough contest, but Lillard gets up into it so quickly he can get the shot off before he ready. He also is probably the best in the league, maybe here, Harden at that screen.

Contact Trey Young's good at it too. I don't always love those calls and I think the rest also don't love it because they call it on the ground so often. But it's a part of the defensive strategy against him. It's like, if I get too into him, trailing him on the screen or too into him or working around the screen, nights, which you can certainly have, and look pretty much anybody can with that kind of volume, but he still is getting to the rim and he's just a terrific small finisher and then he ends up with 13 free throws last night. So when it's that high screen action, it's extending your defense out that far. And I don't feel like it was like really, really deep where he's crossing half court, because sometimes you'll see that Portland just do that all the time. And you're seeing it maybe a little bit more than the walking now. So it wasn't

necessarily that it was that they decided, hey, we're going to live with whatever else is going to happen offensively, but we have to force the ball out of Harden's hands. Harden got to go on big time in the first half of the fourth, but it was really only him the first non Harden time in the first half of the fourth, but it was really only him. The first non-Harden points in the fourth quarter for the Clippers came on a Paul George III that made it 96-90, still Clippers leading at 533 to go in the game. So I was worried a little bit like Hardin hit a couple of threes, a couple of n-1s.

I mean, it was really, really strong there, but it's something I'll bring up at the end because the Clippers just felt like they got stuck. And a lot of that was Milwaukee's defense as well. So it kind of goes both ways on that. So there's a great block by Brooke Lopez on Kauai to the defensive stuff. They're hard and a bad turnover against Pat Bev, Dame layup. So, you know, it's both things. Milwaukee's defense is better now.

I'll give you that number, I promise. And it was also the Clippers. I don't know if it was, they kept waiting for Harden to, to carry over. What he had done in the first six minutes of that fourth quarter. I think he came back in at like 11 because they didn't want to watch any more bones Highland. So Milwaukee closes this, not the final score, but closes out the game essentially with this 15-0 run from that second half of the fourth quarter on. Again, not saying

that it was 15-0 to close the game. LA decided on every game screen, two were staying with him, selling out. We want him to just have to get the ball out of his hands. Pat Bev had a three. AJ Green had two threes. They had a double on Dame where he swung it to Brooke Lopez, but then on the back side you have players defensively for the clip or scrambling a bit. Portis sees the gap, steps up from the opposite block, kind of gets into the paint. Great awareness by Brooke because the math is in your favor,

because Dame is so far away on this double, it's like dragging, you know, it's asking a lot for your team to be able to cover all of it. And this is where Portis went crazy. It was a great play there for him. Then they took Kawai off of Dame and put Paul George on him. And then I started to wonder, are they thinking, well, look, if they're pulling, if we're going to stay with two on game and they're pulling us this far away and opening up everything else, maybe it's better to just at least have Kauai still in the defensive play after the pass is made because the way we're doing it

now, Kauai is like just kind of out of it after the pass is made. And that's basically what the Clippers decided. It will live with an A. J. Green three or two. And they got both of them. We'll live with Bobby Porters. He goes off. We'll live with Pat Bev hitting a couple shots. It all worked out. And that is the value of even just one special offensive player. Because when the other team is determined to try to slow him down to the fourth quarter, because he'd been cooking them all night, that didn't work either. And it's just kind of one of those nights. Portis was five or seven in the fourth quarter.

He ended up with 28 and 16 and 30 minutes. He's been a lot steadier now the last month. Double figures and 14 of his last 15 games after some probably, I would say, inconsistent play there for him. Milwaukee's the two seed today. They're one game up on Cleveland and Milwaukee's one five, excuse me, six straight, eight of the last 10. And here's the most important thing, this defense that we've been

talking about all season long about being a problem. Last 15 games, they are the number two defense in the NBA. Let's talk Lakers. Oh, wait, wait, wait, let's not talk Lakers yet. Clippers of the four seed, two and a half games behind the three seed, but still only three games behind the 1C, with it all shuffling with Minnesota and OKC in the last day. Now, the Clippers were 34 and 15 on February 5th, so that was that 25 and 6 run. They're 5 and 6 cents.

Looking at the numbers here, the defense has been slipping. The rebounding has gotten worse. During the 25 and 6 stretch, they were the number one offense and the number 16 defense, but the rebounding was better. So, the defense has not been like out of this world at any point. I do wonder if there's this stale point that they hit after that great run. You could also argue during this five and six stretch after that incredible two month stretch where they looked like the best team in the NBA. They've played New Orleans, Minnesota, twice, Golden State, OKC, Sacramento,

Lakers and Milwaukee. So, you know, you could just look at the schedule and say, well, that's a pretty ridiculous streak of teams in 11 games. They also, you know, it could just be, Hey, we know what our best is, and we're not going to sustain that all the way until April anyway. Uh, so that, you know, that could be it. I don't, I don't know if it's alarming enough yet after how great it was. I even looked at some hardened stuff where I was like, okay, did they, did

he hold the ball too long? I know it's some of you guys are just trying to find a way to blame harden. But some of the isolation, long possession, what I mean by that is like how many seconds the player is actually holding it. Well, I looked at all the touch stuff in seconds, the ball is in hardens hand month by month. There's not really anything in there. I mean, the touches went up because the touches went up as you get a little bit more comfortable in playing, you know, the full scope of a game as one of the main five guys. But I don't think there was anything necessarily that jumped right out at me that I feel like is a long term trend or trending in the wrong direction. I just felt a little bit late.

They just stopped moving. They just stopped moving a little bit. And this Milwaukee defense has been really good now for a month. OK, now we can talk about OKC, see at the Lakers shout out to the bulls in the comeback, by the way, shout out and shout out to Matt Hunt's confidence. Memphis Grizzlies get your Google machine ready when we're watching those games. So Oklahoma city beat Phoenix on Sunday night.

This was one of the worst turnover games I've seen from an NBA team in a long time. Phoenix had 22 turnovers to only six for Oklahoma City. Um, Oklahoma City points off turnovers 31 to nine, but I'm telling you, it was the unforced ones where a guy sets up. It's not at the opposite elbow, but it's kind of elbow extended inside of the break, you know, positioned different all the time. Oh wow. Double underant. Okay. Well, I got to swing it to the other side extended inside of the break, you know, position different all the time. Oh, wow.

Double on Durant. Okay. Well, I got to swing it to the other side or whoever has the ball. I got to swing it to the other side. There was no booker in this game. They're just throwing it across the court and the thunder is picking them off. Left and right. And Freddie Brown type stuff.

You're like, what are you guys doing right now? And I, I, I didn't say it was so bad on Sunday. I'm like, I can't believe this happened now. Unbelievable. Phoenix down 24 in that game comes back, gets up six and then loses it. Same night, Nurkic had 31 rebounds. The kind of thing where you're like, wait, is that right? Yeah, that's right.

Because what have we talked about with the thunder 29th and rebounding rate, but it didn't matter because Phoenix just kept giving them the basketball over and over and over again. Another thing that we saw is that Phoenix completely sagged off of Giddy because if you look at the shooting around Giddy, it was one of your only defensive options and you're trying to figure out another way for a body to cheat towards Shay Gildress Alexander or if Jaylen Williams has it going. So that game was its own lesson in there. And when you look at Oklahoma City's three-point shooting, SGA is at 38%. Jaylen Williams is at 44%. He was 36% last season. Chetz at 40%. Dorts at 40%. Only one of his previous seasons, I think four seasons, he'd been over 34%. Isaiah Joseph, 42%. Kason Wallace is at 41%.

Even Wiggins is at 51%. So Giddy's at 33%. So I'm gonna look for this even more. And it was something that I noticed in the Lakers game. The other things I was looking for in this Lakers matchup was would Dork get so into LeBron that LeBron would just be deferring a little bit more. And then of course I wanted to look at 80 and chat and this continued.

Like I think it's a fatal flaw for the thunder as much as I love so much about how well their coach, how smart they are blowing that lead to Phoenix and then still closing it out, having all these guys that are kind of multiple interchangeable. I worry about them around the paint. You know, I just worry about some of the stuff at the rim there and the rebounding numbers. Some of these nights you look at it and you just go, this is tough to compete. So for all the other things that we're looking at, it didn't really matter because in the second quarter, I had one of those moments where we're watching a game and you're like, the Lakers are on fire right now.

And I'm not talking about shooting, they're energy. And this is why coaches are always going to drive themselves slowly insane. Coaches know that if everybody's played with a little bit more effort, everything would be better. But it's not like it would have happened already. Although I'd say there's some coach K duke teams that back in the day when that thing was really rolling, where I'd watch their defensive intensity and how smart they were. I was like, man, is anybody going to score against these guys tonight?

I'm serious. Like that's how impressed I was with certain Duke teams. Defensively, I'm like, these guys just get after the entire time. And NBA team, 82 of these tilts, you just, you're not going to. So when you do see it, you'll almost have a moment. And I had it last night. There were some defensive possessions where Reeves is on the baseline against SGA and SGA is trying to put him in the blender and Reeves stays on his feet and gets a contest.

There's another player where Din Whitty ends up with Dorton in isolation. I wouldn't say Din Whitty is going to be on any all NBA defensive teams and did what he stays with them, like tracked him well and then still recovered enough to get a contest on the shot. And then check got a little lost against Rui, lost track of where AD was. And then he Bill Murray Rushmore them with the block from behind. And I'm just sitting there during this 12-0 run going, they are like fired up. And then there was a turnover where D'Angelo Russell got it back to LeBron. The place was going wild. So some of these smaller things that I was looking for were completely irrelevant.

Is it really matter because the Lakers played with that much intensity. Yes, I know it's a back-to-back for Oklahoma City. I just talked about the game that happened the previous night. What I don't like doing is dismissing any time a good team loses to a lesser team, and in this case, the standing is pretty self-explanatory, that it's only because of the back-to-back. I think it can get... There are certain games I'll look at and be like, that feels like a schedule loss.

And you know what, if you're with a Thunder, maybe, maybe this was, but it's become way too commonplace to any time your team loses a fucking game. It's like, back to back, five and seven. You know, somebody hit me up with the, oh, the Warriors five and seven. They were down 44 at the half to Boston. Okay. 44. All right.

I know it was a long scheduled thing, but we can't just apply that to every single time, although fan base is going to do that. So I can't really win that fight. So they also did a great job. I think with Anthony Davis getting him some momentum towards the hoop to make it even tougher for Chet. It's one thing to hold up in post when the guy's not moving. It's another thing dealing with that momentum.

And they did some real cool two man game, not super complicated, just trying to get 80 with some momentum towards the hoop. I even saw 80 playing with, I always talk about that Memphis game, 2018 or 2019. The intensity he played with in that night against the Memphis Grizzlies was like the all time stuff. He shot a million free throws. I don't, you don't have to go back and watch it. It was just like, whoa, how come we don't see this all?

He would, there were hints at, levels of that last night. And also because you're like, wait, Chet's here? Chet's great. He's going to be really, really good. That's a big ass. And there's no Jaylen Williams too to back him up. He was out, I think knee injury and Bismac-Biambo got a seven-minute stint in there. So shout out to him. So look, let's take a look. Oh, wait, I got to talk about to Angela Russell because he went for 26 and the third three that he hit in the fourth quarter, he hit three of them. I don't even know what he was doing. No idea.

He's been on a heater now the last few months, shooting from three, 46%, 42%, 39%, in just the two games here in March. Torian Prince, you were like, why is this guy shooting? Well, four or six last night from three. So that was just, look, man, it was all looking Lakers. Now, here's the thing with the Lakers. They've got five straight now against Sacramento, Milwaukee, Minnesota, at Sacramento and Golden State.

So they're gonna be home for the five. They have one to two day breaks. So even though you're looking at it, you like, Hey, they're not going to play a sub 500 team until they play Atlanta in a couple of weeks. But there are breaks either one or two days in between all of these games and four of them are at home. So for a Lakers team that's 17 and 21 against teams, 500 or better, which is kind of where all those eight, nine, 10 teams all are Dallas is sub 500.

Their record is, is worse against 500 teams. Golden States record against 500 of our teams is, is disastrous. And every single fan base can play the game of like, Oh, but our guys were out and now we're good or whatever, whatever, make all the excuses you want. Um, the Lakers have not been good against the better teams, but they have been recently competitive with Denver, beating okay. See coming back against the Clippers. And then, you know, look, you always

get to kind of include Sacramento and all this. Let's see how it looks against a tougher slate here for the next five. But it's actually not a huge ask considering how often they're home. And the only other road game in that is in the state of California. And there are all of those breaks.

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expire seven days after a seat. See terms at sportsbook.fandal.com. Welcome in the first ever episode of the Ryan Russell podcast live on YouTube. And we've got a lot to do today. We'll get to life advice later. We're actually, I don't know, we're going to rebrand it as, as live advice, um, but post-com by, we're going to talk draft with Todd McShay, everything that he learned from his sources, his sources out in the indie. Todd, have you ever done live TV before?

And are you really nervous? Now I was going to ask you, I mean, this is, this is a debut for you, man. Is this, I mean, how am I invited to this? I feel special. So, uh, well, what the hell? I mean, honestly, though, what the hell took you so long? Great topic right out of the jump. Um, no, look, what we're going to,, we're not gonna do this for every episode. We

just wanted to build something to have some other content and honestly, some other stuff that we've wanted to do that wasn't really going to be able to live in the podcast. So we're not going to do it for every episode, but we wanted to get it started. So we went live today at 9am Pacific time, right when the people get here to power wash my house. So all good time, coordinating perfectly, all aligned here. So let's look what we're going to do, we're going to do McShay's mock top 10 picks, then five other questions having to do with

some of the draft stuff. But the combine is is as big as the deal now as it ever has been. And a lot of it has to do with a headline names that we have a quarterback. And just the stacked wide receiver class, the online depth that I think the league has desperately wanted for a really long time. How many years did you actually go? Cause I know you didn't go this year,

but how many years have you, and the weird thing is you're not even allowed in there, right? Well, so it started, my first year going was 1999. I was still in college. I was a senior in college. Gary Horton got me a pass under a false name. No, no, my name under a false title with the Rams. And so I went in as if I was part of the Rams team, some way, shape, or form. And so I kind of went in and, you know, started out as my first year.

And so for several years, I was there going in and timing and doing all those different things. And then it got to a point where I realized, like, and I started having TV responsibilities in like 2006. And I wound up basically from 2006 to a year ago, it was sitting at the hotel room all day, watching NFL Network, getting the times from friends and guys in the league that are in the stands,

writing them all down, kind of formulating my opinions and then going back over to the stadium and doing TV. But a few years ago, ESPN finally got, was allowed, I think it was the first year that fans were allowed and a select few fans. We were allowed in the stands and we just kind of hung out there all day. But then after a couple of years of doing that, I'm sitting up in the stands with all the TV stuff and everything, and people were walking by and it's a distraction.

So I would just have the guy who was driving us back and forth, one of the runners, bring me back to the hotel anyway. So we had all this access and I still was sitting in a hotel room in Indianapolis writing down numbers, plugging it in my computer and all that, and then going back over to do TV. So it's one of those weird deals. This is the first year that I haven't been there at all. I chose not to go at all, obviously with my contract and limited situation, media-wise. That's a story for another day.

But I got probably more out of it, just sitting at home, like actually focusing, no producers calling, texting, emailing, and just sitting down and watching it, getting all the official numbers coming in, actually having time to analyze it a little bit more. So it was kind of, it was a different perspective this year. It was a lot of fun to watch.

But honestly, it was, I'm a junkie, but this was an unbelievable combat. Obviously, Xavier Worthy breaking the record for the 40 yard dash 421, but just watching these offensive linemen, watching these wide receivers, watching some of the cornerbacks. This is not the deepest group in terms of talent, but this is a special group, especially at positions like quarterback, cornerback, wide receiver and offensive line, which are probably the four most coveted positions in throwing past rushers as well. All right, so let's get to it.

Let's kick back and forth some of the top 10 guys. You have a change there with the trade based on some Russell Wilson news today as well. We know that it starts at number one with Chicago and we know that the Caleb Williams story feels like a no-brainer for every team except Chicago. I guess you could look at the timeline of the off-season saying, oh wait, shouldn't the Justin Fields decision

when free agency starts March 13th and teams are gonna be looking for quarterback solutions? Well, if there's no transaction there, does that tell us something prior to April 25th? I mean, I still have a really hard time believing based on the Caleb Williams I watched probably more so two years ago than this past season, but a team passes on him and number one, when Field still hasn't really solved it unless you're the most patient front office of all time. Like, I don't know.

It feels like there's a lot of stuff that's being pushed as keeping the possibility for the drama of the storyline to stay open. I just have a hard time believing that the bears aren't just taking them eventually. No, that's what's gonna happen. And it boils down to a couple of things. First of all, the talent level of Caleb Williams.

And so you're gonna hear a lot of nonsense about his painted fingernails and crying in the stands with his mom and, you know, his dad's business involvement and all those other things. But first of all, welcome to the new athlete, right? Welcome to, you know, this generation and NIL and the transfer portal and all the other things that are involved. And number two, when you have a chance and opportunity to develop a player that has Patrick Mahomes like talent, I'm not saying he's ever going to be Patrick Mahomes. Patrick Mahomes wasn't the Mahomes we know today when he came out of Texas Tech. But when you have that natural raw ability to create and extend the way that Caleb does, you don't pass on.

And you especially don't pass on when your quarterback, even though very talented and has shown a lot of flashes, has had major problems with consistency and durability. And then you factor the third element of it, which is the financials, right? And when everyone talks about, well, the salary cap hit, well, it's not going to be in 2024, because actually with the rookie salary cap, Caleb will probably cost like eight or nine million against the cap. And I think Justin Fields, because it was a few years ago off of that,

that, you know, the CBA and the rookie contracts then is only going to cost like between six and seven million. So for the first year, it's kind of a wash. But when you get to 2025, you're talking about approximately 22 million for Justin Fields, if you keep him, versus 10 million for the number one overall pick, whether it's Caleb or whoever. So you're talking about twice as much that year, and then if you sign Fields to a long-term deal from that point on, it keeps rising.

So what you do is you reset the clock with Caleb Williams. The more interesting thing to me, and again, Caleb will be the pick. Justin will get moved. Kirk Cousins is probably gonna have to get moved first. We'll have to see where he lands. But I think the three most likely, and I'd be shocked if it's not one of these three teams,

the three most likely teams to land Justin Fields are Atlanta, Pittsburgh, Minnesota, and maybe in that order. So fields will get moved maybe for a third round pick and a conditional third, fourth, or something like that a year from now. At best case, they get a second round pick, but it's not going to be a first. And then after that, to me, you've reset the clock. You've got a quarterback that you've got to develop.

You've got to, Shane Waldron comes in as the new offensive coordinator. But the more interesting thing to me that I was alluding to is a lot of people in the league and myself included after going back and really studying the tape from this year, if you're just dropped on this planet and didn't see 2022, I think it's more of a 1A1B with Caleb Williams and Jaden Daniels from LSU. I really do. The tape for Jaden Daniels is that good this past year. His improvement over the last two years is nothing short of remarkable. I talked to teams. I just got off the phone yesterday with a director of personnel, and he said, I'm telling you, it's close. And this team could be in the market for a quarterback. So they're studying this as close as anyone else. It's closer than everyone wants to think.

We're debating it in our room. And so I think to me, that's the thing. It was so much Drake May and Caleb for so long. In NFL organizations, the vast majority that I've talked to, and Caleb for so long in NFL organizations, the vast majority that I've talked to, it's Caleb and Daniels is the argument. And then it's Drake May. And there's kind of a tear after that when you get to JJ McCarthy. Okay. Right. There was a couple of things that you hit on there. And you know, whenever like the active parent is involved and everybody starts wondering if it's going to be like youth sports or a you, Cliff Kingsbury, who's now with Washington, had a quote this week, he said, I think I saw his dad once at SC, okay, this entire season.

So I thought the other positive stuff for Caleb was when people were at the senior bowl, when they started asking like Intel, you know, you're sitting there with a draft prospect, but what you're really doing is like, how does this guy react when I ask about Caleb Williams? I didn't read anything negative this entire week about any of that stuff. So there's just so many little

things that just don't bother me that that seem to get repeated constantly. And I'm, I'm honestly just over with it. And as far as like the fields financial part of it, like, okay, fine. So he jumps up into a to a big guaranteed number for one year. And it's not even big based on what the average annual salary is for a starting quarterback. So if you're looking at fields at like 22, 24 million for one year after the rookie deal expires, but you don't want to give them a longer term extension if you're the new team, like none of this really matters. Like you hope he's good enough that you then have to give him the raise. Um,

in some of the speculation that, oh, well, if he's a starter, he's going to be making this kind of money. It doesn't mean you just be like, oh, well, he's our starter. I guess we give him 40 million. So let's transition that into number two with Washington. You have Daniels there over Drake May. Do you think this is ultimately how this all plays out based on everything you've taught? Like you just basically hit on it that it sounds like more teams are debating Jaden and Caleb more than Drake, which is a massive departure from where we were at for the months right after the regular season of the college football season was over. Yeah. Again, it started with me going back and studying the tape. And I love Drake, man.

We can get into them, but they're inconsistencies in his tape that you don't see in Jaden's. And to me, like when I'm talking to people in the league, like I want to have, when I make those conversations, I want to have done my tape assessment so I can have a conversation that is two-sided and it's not like, hey, what do you think? Right? Because I'm not going to get information from people and they're not going to respect me. And this is over years, this isn't just this year. They're not going to respect me enough to like actually talk ball if I don't have an opinion. They're not gonna respect me enough to like actually talk ball if I don't have an opinion.

And I've had plenty of conversations with guys where we completely disagree, you know? And they wind up being right sometimes. You know, it doesn't matter, but you better be educated and you better be able to talk about that throw in the third quarter against UCLA or whatever it is, right? And so it started with me going back in seasons over, really studying the tape

and being like, wait, when I just independently like take a step back, not on all the hype and not all the noise, there's not a big difference from the tape in 2023. Now, I think the 2022 tape for Caleb is better than any of these quarterbacks, what they put together in any other year. But this past year, I didn't see a big difference.

I'm not saying they're the same exact player by any stretch, but there's a lot of similarities, the ability to create, the ability to be a running threat, and the ability off schedule throws. So I think that they're very close. And then I talked to guys in the league that I respect and trust,

and they're saying the same thing and So to me like what else do I need? I trust my evaluation I trust the people in the league that I talked to every year that are typically spot-on With with what's going to happen and it's it's Caleb one But it's Daniels 1a and then there's almost like another tier where you get into Drake May. And even though he's in that next tier, he's a quarterback, so he's probably going to go 3 to New England. And then JJ McCarthy is in that fourth tier, still a quarterback. You'd like to get him late first, early second. He's not going to last that long. So maybe he goes in the top

10. So we can get to all that. But my point is, Jaden, I go back to a conversation I had last year with Brian Kelly before I was on working the sideline doing the game as an analyst. I talked to Brian Kelly and I was asking him just about Jade. And he kind of came up to me and really wanted to talk more than we talked in the meeting with all the other people there. And he's like, listen, you and I've had these conversations going back to Notre Dame and all the other quarterbacks.

I need you to understand this. He can throw with anticipation, even though you're not seeing that on tape. He can make accurate throws in those situations. He can go through progressions, even though maybe you don't see that on tape because it feels like he's locking on. The thing that we're trying to unlock in him

is to trust himself. He trusts himself at times in practice because there's not a consequence to it. And he said, the worst thing, it drives me freaking crazy right now because everyone in the media is like, oh, he's gone five games, Jaden hasn't thrown an interception.

If you remember that was all the talk, Jaden, no interceptions, five games. So they're going to play Tennessee that day and they get beat bad. But his thing was, I want him to throw a pick. He goes, it sounds crazy, but I want him to throw a pick. So it's like, all right, we got that done with. It's not the end of the world.

Come out and just like trust your eyes. Get the ball out before the receiver breaks. He goes, right now he's stuck on wanting to see that receiver open because then he knows it's the safe move. I don't want him to be safe. He goes, the second we unlock that in him, he's gonna take off. And in that game, the first three throws were like deep outs where the ball had to come out

It basically I could tell Brian told him like don't even go to your second read. This is gonna be a read It's one-on-one make the throw on time Whatever happens happens and he did and you started to see it and that gave me even though they struggled but from that point on there was a confidence in. And we saw him just absolutely take off. And truly like one of the most remarkable two year turnarounds in tape is Jaden Daniels 2022, 2023 from what we had seen from him before. Yeah, look, I think Burroughs, the most recent example,

somebody who's gonna go this high, where his first year at LSU, you're like, all right, you know, there's nothing there. Yeah, it's pretty good. Yeah, you know, and then you're like, wait, who, what is, what is this? And it's one of the great seasons. Very similar. And they both had great receivers. And you, if you were doubting him, you're saying, well, it was just one year of greatness. It was, he's got great receivers that he's throwing to. But honestly, at the end of the day, when you really study it independently of everything else,

they just played at an extraordinary, extraordinarily high level. And we saw Borough the number one overall pick and the Bengals would do that 100 out of 100 times again. Right. Because part of it, when I looked at some of the Drake May stuff again, and look, he had Tess Walker for more of the season than he didn't, who's a real difference maker. But then when you think of neighbors, who's going to be a top five, top six picks, and Thomas who throughout the season, you're

going to be like, wait, 17 touchdowns, you're like, wait, is this guy better than the other guy? You know, look, and I think there's probably an argument that neighbors is more complete receiver. And that's why the mocks have him going probably 20 slots higher than his teammate. But you're right. I mean, Jaden was basically perfect. And maybe it'd be looked at a little bit differently if the defense had just been average enough. All right. So we've got May. Will New England, do you think Belichick not being there means they'll prioritize a receiver to put with May if May goes third? Because I just, especially when you have the rookie scale quarterback contract and then not getting him a weapon the way, you know, San Francisco has done a pretty good job with, with obviously Debo and it's a little different with Purdy, but like AJ Brown's a great example. You draft a Vontae Smith for Jaylen Hertz, you make the trade for AJ Brown. And like now the world starts to open up and it's just an easier job when you have one of those say 10

to 12 difference makers. You know, I'm not calling AJ like a top five guy. But to think that New England, I would say post-Bella check, that would be the number one priority if you're looking at what's gone wrong with the development of the quarterbacks post-Brady. Yeah, and throughout Brady's career, it was about finding receivers that fit Brady,

and I don't want to bog everyone down, but option routes under, they needed smarter than they needed smart was more Important than talent and for most of the receiver evaluations because if Brady like it maybe one time It's a mistake But the second time that you're not in the place you're supposed to be because everything more so than any offense I can remember watching and evaluating the NFL like it was so much about we got if they do this We're gonna we're gonna out cut if we they do this in cut if they if they bring up like you got to go vertical

What so every route would had like three options based off of what the defense was doing And if you may if they made a mistake once like all right Let's see you started making that mistake two three four times Brady's gonna quit on you And that's what happened. They brought in a lot of guys in free agency. They tried drafting some guys in the first, second, third round, and a lot of those guys didn't work. So lesser talented receivers who had better football acumen worked for him. And then I think they kind of got stuck in that, well, we can get receivers anywhere, right? Like the Steelers always get their receivers in the second round and other teams like third, fourth. Yeah, but they're good at it. They're good at it, but also, but you

don't have Brady anymore. And even if his name wasn't Brady, it's like not what we're doing anymore. We don't have a quarterback who operates at that level mentally, so it didn't work. So I'm fascinated to see New England. I think they're going to take a quarterback. I think in this scenario, Drake may as the picket number three, but I'm interested to see like what's the emphasis now on speed. Like to me, watching the Patriots, the lack of speed in the back seven, right? Defensively, the lack of speed at wide receiver and playmakers and difference makers is what they've been missing for the last few years. And they didn't have Brady who was making up for all those sins.

He was masking all the problems. And so they kind of, from a personnel standpoint, I think they shifted so much one way that they struggled to come back the other way when they needed to. And now they've got kind of a fresh start from a personnel department standpoint. I'm interested to see what they do, because I'm with you.

I think it's quarterback first and then maybe second round like Ricky Purcell from from Florida who ran in the four fours Lad McConkey who ran faster, you know ran really fast We knew he was fast, but his explosive in his athletic movements I think they get in a deep wide receiver group I this is an opportunity to not only solve quarterback, but to get him a young guy they can grow full together with okay So number four Arizona Marvin Harrison Jr. No surprise here. We've already spent a ton of time on him And considering it's kind of a maker break year for Kyler, you know, if he stays healthy

What does it look like he's shown glimpses that it felt like at times he was carrying that offense? But obviously concerns, but they made the decision to go all in again Because they've already paid them all that money too. And it's a different team. Like Mike Sandow was reminds of this, like when Denver makes their move and you think of the cash situation, like that's already cash out of pocket. Like there's nothing you can do there. We're in Arizona.

It's like, yeah, we've already paid you that and you have to kill. You, you actually have to keep coming to work for us. So I thought, I thought real quickly, I thought Marvin Harrison, Jr. And I said, I'm not anti establishment, but I am anti quickly, I thought Marvin Harrison Jr. and I said, I'm not anti-establishment, but I am anti-dumb, right? And so I thought Marvin Harrison Jr. Like if you're gonna be a top five pick,

if you're clearly the best at your position and like when my position comes up or when it's not a quarterback, I'm gonna be drafted. The team that drafts him, let's say it is Arizona 4, is gonna be thrilled with his decision not to sit there for two months, wasting his time trying to get the fastest 40 yard dash and training for a broad jump and vertical jump

and the three cone drill in the shuttles, right? But training with the veterans wherever he's training, the veterans who are getting ready for the next season. And I think so often we see these rookies, they've spent so much time training for a 40 yard dash and all these drills at the combine that they're kind of a year behind. And we've seen, you know,

we see a lot of rookies come in and they're fine, but they wear down late in their rookie year, whatever it is. To me, this needs to be the new shift. It's like a fraternity almost, like, well, this is how we've always done it. And these are the initiation drills or whatever we have. And so like there's this pressure on these guys to do it that way. And there should be for everyone who's going

to be drafted like the middle first on, you know, throughout the rest of the process, like you've got to put up the numbers and all of that. But I think when we're, you're talking about franchise guys who are coming in and in their rookie contract making 3335 38 million dollars over their rookie contract and you're making that investment in them I want those guys training for my for the rookie year because I need them to play at that level Not training for a 40-yard dash. All right, let's go a little quicker with a second half of this 10 and then gets to the question still So you've got neighbors at five for the Chargers and then Joe Alt, six, the tackle there for the Giants.

I'm just going to go on record. I like Rome better than neighbors and you haven't gone seventh to Tennessee. Well, if you just watch the combine, you're going to like Rome or doon's day over neighbors. I mean, he's six, three, or doon's day is six, three, two, twelve. That has nothing to do with the combine. Yeah. no, I know I'm saying no, but but but when you looked at it like neighbors didn't have a you know Didn't I mean he he opted out of some stuff like he didn't have the the week that other people had and Kind of left that door open if you will but six three two twelve You know four four five and his forty at that size, 39-inch vertical.

So there's some explosiveness in him that maybe you didn't always necessarily see on tape, because he's more like a Devante Adams, but Adams didn't run all that well in the 40, but the route running, the physicality, the toughness, all that. So yeah, you're not alone in that is what I'm trying to say. You're not alone. Is it a separation issue that keeps that the idea that Malik separates a little bit easier than a dunce does? It's explosiveness. I mean, he is, he's only a lightning bolt. His ability to create after the catch and vertically is greater than that of Odunze, but Odunze is separates his, I wouldn't say as well, but he finds a way to separate,

whether it's shielding with his body, but he is probably the, I would say he's more consistent. Okay, Odunze is. Neighbors is more explosive. Nine out of 10 times more explosive guys can go early. That's why I haven't gone to the Chargers at five. But the fascinating thing to me here, like when you get to five to 10, offensive tackle

receiver, receiver, offensive tackle, almost all these teams need receiver, offensive tackle. And it's a perfect year for it because the Chargers at five need both giants at six need both Titans at seven need both Atlanta. You could say both, but really it wouldn't be receiver would be offensive line or pass rusher. I've got a, you know, Chicago then could, could I could go with both sitting at number nine if they don't trade out of that spot. The Jets at number 10 are offensive tackle. So to me, this is where the run happens.

I'll be interested to see what Harbone is first year because he's so offensive line, run the football, two, three tight end focus. Is he going to be, you know, in his first major personnel decision, is it going to be a receiver to help out his quarterback who hasn't had healthy guys at that position, or is it going to be offensive line to kind of set the tone of this is what we're going to be? That puts Joe all in between the two receivers we talked about with the chargers, with neighbors, and then Tennessee going with the Dunsays. So, Joe Wall. It's funny because I think the official measurement

was 6'8", 5'8", and then I was looking at some of the other numbers again this morning and it came up 6'9", so I don't know if the second time he was given a height test, it was, he grew even more. Look, they just round up. They just went after 6'8". We're just, we're just rounding up. It was he grew even more. Look, now they just round up. Yeah, they just went after six, eight. We're just we're just rounding up. It doesn't it doesn't matter anymore. The five eighths isn't that different. There's debate about how big can you actually be at tackle? Certainly when it talks about like your height, filet leg, the swing guy for the Ravens is a mountain of a guy like I was going back historically like looking for Who are the biggest dudes?

And I think the the problem with the argument because the history isn't that great is that if you've watched all play Like he just looks Athletic like he looks athletic enough to carry all of this stuff that and this is why he's looked at this generational tackle prospect. Yeah. I mean, and there's a lot of really good ones. And I mean, there's some tape where you can kind of see that height, maybe like the lateral ability, but when you're that tall, that long, and you're well built in proportion, what was his weight?

Like 320 something, 6'8", and change three. I think it was in the 320s. And then the most important thing is like, all right, can he move? He ran a five flat, dude. Yeah. He ran a five, think about that, a five flat at that size. Like it's one thing when you're a six, four, 298 pound center or even a tackle

and you run a five flat or a sub five second, but at that size, that's remarkable. And ironically, everyone says, pound center or even a tackle and you run a five flat or a sub five second. But at that size, that's remarkable. And ironically, everyone says, well, an offensive lineman's never going to run 40 yard dashes. I've studied all these things with analytics guys. One of the numbers that correlates most to NFL success is offensive tackles in their 40 yard dash. I can't give you the why. Maybe it's the explos offensive tackles in their 40 yard dash. I can't give you the why.

Maybe it's the explosiveness, the coordination, whatever it is. If you just study it in terms of success in the NFL, that's one of the numbers, their length combined with their 40 time, not their 10 yard split, which you would think, common sense, right? It's their 40 time that really is an indicator of what they're going to have success. He ran a five flat at that size Which is stupid. All right, so that brings his number eight Atlanta Dallas Turner I know the measureables because they're impressive and when you watch him physically you go, okay

This guy is different. I think he came in at what was the final number here like six three two forty seven Yeah, right there. And you know, he, all the testing was exactly what you would want from him. I watched ran in the four fours, he ran like a four, four, seven or four, four, nine as an edge rusher. And he worked out with the linebackers and still I think had the fastest time of the linebackers, who a lot of guys were like six foot 230, you know? So- I know the Western Michigan guy lit it up.

Neal and, yeah. Yeah, as far as like the linebacker, some of the speed tests for the linebacker D-line group. I watched a lot of Alabama just because they're relevant enough to watch them all the time. You know, whenever we look at defensive linemen, I'd say this is probably more about like interior defensive linemen, because I remember like going

all the way back to Halody Nada, it's like, I know he takes some plays off, you're like, no kidding. He takes a few plays off. Do you know how brutal that job is? It's unbelievable. All day long. So, you know, Dallas is certainly an edge guy and not interior. But for somebody with that hype and that build, and look, he's nasty, he had his 10 sacks. You know, you're not gonna get a million solo tackles in Alabama's defensive system because there's talent

over the place. A ton of pressures, a ton of pressures. A ton of pressures. I don't know if I'm being too hard on him, but I guess I think for a top 10 guy with all that hype, I guess I would have liked to see him consistently change the game more. But he did kind of fall into that closer role, you know, the TJ Y at the end.

So I'm not off base with that. No, I don't think you are off base. I think this is more, it's more looking at the future, what he can be, what was his role at Alabama when they are heavy in terms of gap, discipline and all those sorts of things? A lot of the same questions were with last year, with their top edge rusher. To me, you look at what he has from a skill set standpoint and what he can be.

Then also Atlanta needs a pass rusher desperately. I'm working under the assumption that they're going to wind up with, I think Justin Fields is going to go to Atlanta. I just, you know, I'm kind of working on that assumption. We'll see if that happens. And if not, when we talk about mock draft in a few weeks from now, maybe it'll be different. But I just think Justin Fields landing in Atlanta is destined to happen. So, but it could have very easily, just to be honest and transparent, Jared Verst, I debated the two. Jared Verst to me is a little bit more physical, strong, heavy hands.

And whereas I look at Turner and it's more explosiveness, speed, nastiness, you know, all those sorts of things. Yeah, the nastiness is certainly there, which I think for edge guys, like you want somebody playing in the gray area, but you want him to have that. Even if you would look at a couple of hits late this year, we're like, what's going on? But you know, I don't think defensive line coaches are going to look at that tape and be upset about any of it. Okay. So you have a trade here and this is off the Russell Wilson news today that the Broncos are going to take an $85 million cap hit to just move on fromul Wilson, which is just astonishing considering you signed

the five-year extension for 242. Obviously, not all of that was guaranteed, but it's a cash rich ownership group that's able to do something like this. And I think it's also worth pointing out the salary cap in the NFL went from 208 to 255 million in just two years. So when you start looking historically, like I listen to some people kind of talk about it earlier on, but I noticed the smarter people going, you know they actually might be able to just do this and then do this now and then the way they'll announce it after the cuts like It's just taking your medicine now and getting it over with and knowing that the cap has jumped almost 50 million in two years Makes this far more feasible historically than ever trying to take on this kind of number. So you think they trade up here? Yeah

I mean, I think it's first of all more feasible historically than ever trying to take on this kind of number. So you think they trade up here? Yeah. I mean, I think it's, first of all, almost every year we see a team trade up, very likely to trade up into the top 10 to get a quarterback. We've seen it, we saw it with Josh Allen, we saw it with Patrick Mahomes, and we've seen it with a lot of guys. And then you have to look at who's sitting there that could take him if we just sit back. And Minnesota is just a couple of picks back from that number nine spot. And I think Chicago, after drafting first overall of the maneuvering that Ryan polls

their GM did a year ago and still in that rebuild mode, why not move back a couple of spots, get some more draft capital this year and take advantage of that and continue that rebuild. So I'm not saying it's going to happen. I don't have any insight. Obviously, the news just broke on Russell. But to me, JJ McCarthy is clearly the number four quarterback. We know the top three are very legnose and Drake May. And so what's the difference taking him sitting back in the middle of the first round versus moving up and going to get him? Well, you're going to have to give up a pick. But if he's the guy and you're believing him, and I think he would fit in that Sean Payton system really well, then why wouldn't you take him?

Sean Payton wants a guy who can pick things up quickly, is willing to put team in front of self. And I just think that McCarthy from a makeup standpoint makes a lot of sense to Denver. And if he doesn't go there, then maybe it's Minnesota, just a couple of picks later. But I don't think JJ, whether you think he's a late first or mid first or early for whatever you think, I don't think because there's a, in my opinion, and the opinion of several people I've talked to, there is a drop off from JJ McCarthy to Bonix, to to Michael Penn eggs to those guys, right? And so this is kind of your, your last shot. And if you believe in JJ, then it's worth it to give up what you have to do to,

to move, move up a few spots. All right. One more pick and let's get the five questions around out this segment. Yeah. The judge is sitting at 10, which offense it tackles there. I think it's pretty simple. I think that has been obviously now you've got a, an quarterback coming back off an Achilles injury. I went with Tolis Fouaga from Oregon State. It could easily be for Shamu from Penn State. So like the tackles

are loaded, but the Jets can't get cute and move back and hope to get like just you stay at 10, count your blessings that this is a year where we actually have like legit starting tackles in the draft and take a philography sitting there if that's where you have them on the board. Yeah, it's really incredible when you broke down the top 10 and I looked at it when you sent it to me this morning and you're going like, all right, in a weaker draft, where's Joe Alcove? You know, like where does Marvin Harrison Jr. might be the number one overall pick? If it wasn't this quarterback dominated class, and here you have McCarthy as the fourth guy in, it's just, there's almost like, you know, the years you're looking at guys going five or six might be going nine, 10, 11 in this year's group because of the quarterback needs that we have at the top

and then all these stud receivers. Okay. All right. So let's get to a five questions then. This is one of my favorite things to do with you. And we'll see how much this change between now and the draft. We still get some time here, but I like the Intel pick. The pick that seems like every team when you talk to them, because this is what I like with the NBA draft. Like, all right, man, seven different teams have told me, oh, yeah, this is who those guys are taking. And it's crazy how often it's right, by the way.

So it's either the team doesn't care or it's just a leaky front office. But give me the Intel pick that so many people seem to be sharing with you this early on. Well, it's too early to like, to stamp it. And we'll get there. Like, I want to do this in like a few more weeks when, you know, and then I want to do it right before the draft so that we can kind of go back and look. And maybe this will be the one that's right when we look back on it. But like teams haven't finished their boards, all that stuff. But the one that makes the most sense to me and kind of fits what they would try to do, like Kansas City has spent so much on their defense and getting that right, right? And in the last couple

of drafts, and we saw in the last few drafts, and we've seen, you know, the results. Now you've got, you've got, uh, Valdez scantling, you know, he's gone no longer with the team. Yeah. There's Tony nightmare. And, and so like we need, we need a burner and then Rashid Rice, we hit on that pick, right? But he's a, he's a yak guy yards after catch. Let's get him the ball in the quick game. So they need someone to get down the field vertical Xavier worthy just goes and runs the fastest time in the history of the combine four to one.

I would have said before he ran that even if he ran a four, three, five, it didn't matter to me. The dude's a burner. I kind of pictured him like, all right, you got this guy who's quick underneath. You got Kelsey coming back who's back who's your tight end. We need somebody who's going to stretch the field and can actually catch the ball when he gets open. That'd be nice.

Yeah. And I think I've got the numbers here somewhere, but I think when I look at worthy, I've got a breakdown of all the receivers and their drop rate. And he's somewhere like, you know, in the top half in terms of best, you know, I think he was like 6.4% drop rate, so which is better than average. Let's put it that way. So a huge upgrade over what, you know, MVS provided the last couple of years when open deep. So to me, that one just makes the most sense. And I've heard a couple other people talk about it. And I'm like, yeah, I kind of I agree with that

So we'll see but when I start getting the actual information then then we can have a lot of fun with it prior to you telling me The Kansas City was was kind of the hey everybody's sort of plugging this one in now and it could be totally wrong or whatever I just look at the receiver class. I was like all of a sudden like now guys like all right, you know Saviour Worthy was really good this year. I think I like Mitchell as teammate better. Um, yeah, some people do. So then it's like, wait, but then when you think about my homes, you think about Kansas City, a team that struggled with drops, I think more than anybody else. I think they had the highest total after the regular season was done.

You're just like, okay, actually I'm in, I'm in. Like if they take him and he's going to run, and he doesn't have to worry about like Tyreek Hill wasn't even a route guy when he was Kansas City, which is a credit to him and how he kind of improves some of the stuff that he's doing Miami. Prior to your Kansas City lean, I was, I got to admit, like I'm watching some of the combine stuff like chuckling a little bit. Like now all of a sudden you guys are like all talking this dude up and he was, look, Texas is a playoff team. He was really good.

I guess maybe I just favored Mitchell a bit over the course of the season. All right. Um, give me the first round or has a first round grade, but you don't have a first round grade on him. Bonix, the quarterback for Morgan. I listen, part of our job, like part of the job of evaluating, you do it in basketball and I'm interested to get your take on this, but to me, it's all about perspective and projection

when you're looking at college players, right? And so like, you gotta have to keep in, let's go back to Tim Tebow, for example, okay? Tim Tebow, my perspective on it, I thought was great. I had the utmost respect for him in terms of his work ethic, the grind that he put in. And your job as a college quarterback, any position, but especially quarterback, is to make everyone else around you better and to show up and deliver in big games and big moments. He did that better than maybe anyone who had done it prior to that. I made

the comment so many times, 50 times probably, and no one wanted to listen to it because I was the most hated man in America because I didn't think Tebow was gonna be a great player. But I said over and over again, like he might be the best college quarterback I've ever seen. But in the NFL, that here comes like the perspective and the projection, he doesn't have the accuracy, the consistency, the timing to project as a consistent starter,

moving forward, and a guy that you can believe will be your guy for several years. And we saw how that played out. Will Leviss is probably more comparable last year, that discussion. I love the dude. Like, how can you not love a dude who plays quarterback like Limebacker, who will sacrifice anything in his senior year when he's trying to be a first round pick, he's going out there injured and playing, putting bad tape out there because he's putting his team above himself. But ultimately, rifle arm, big, sturdy, strong guy, competitive runner, you know, did all these things, got made Kentucky a heck of a lot better than they would have

been. We saw when he was injured in an made Kentucky a heck of a lot better than they would have been. We saw when he was injured in and out for a game of how horrible they were. But there's, you know, the inconsistency with the passing, the durability issues, all those sorts of things. So I get to bonus. And now I'm going to say, I've got a second round grade on him. I don't love him as a prospect moving forward. I think in the right situation, maybe he can have some success, but I'm not stamping him and embedding my organization on him.

I love the fact that he's the most experienced quarterback to ever come out. I love his journey, his toughness, all of these things. And that's what everyone goes back to. And I hear, you know, if you sit down in a room with Bill Nixon, pop up on Twitter, right? I get it. I can love the dude. I can respect the hell out of him. But if I don't think he's going to be a great quarterback, I've got to say, you know what, I'm going to step back. Let's use a

second round pick on Bo Nick. So that's where I am with Bo. Yeah, I think what happens a lot with this is it's like playing the results. You know, if the college quarterback had a ton of success, he wins, he's maybe doubted three or four guys go ahead of him, and then he has a nice run in the NFL, then it's like, you know, why don't you just take more guys that are successful? It's like, maybe doubted three or four guys go ahead of him. And then he has a nice run in the NFL. Then it's like, you know, why don't you just take more guys that are successful? It's like, well, it was easy as that. And he would just take everybody who was

conference player of the year, who was at quarterback, and you wouldn't care about their age, you wouldn't care about the system or any of these things. Like every approach has its success and failures. And so when I look at it in comparison to college hoops, versus like, you know, I guess it's still the one and done things have gotten a little different with the G league. Don't know what the long term for that is.

And then the international stuff, like, I'll just do an example. If you go back to the draft in 2015, Emmanuel Moudier, who had a weird path, the league goes seventh overall, he was 19. Frank Kaminski, who had had a really great run at Wisconsin. And he was going to be, I think what, a 22 year old rookie. All right, Frank had done stuff, you know High-level college hoops. Yeah, I'm at runs. You'd seen him and yet Mu D. A. was like this this physical guy the idea was that he was gonna be a point car I wasn't necessarily in love with him when I remember going back and doing that trap for ESPN, but

And I'm not saying that because I ended up being right. It's just that it was a classic NBA front office internal argument. And if you talk to enough of the NBA people, it's like, man, I might be able to take somebody who I know is going to be the better basketball player, is a better basketball player at that point, and their floor is much higher. But if I'm drafting 10 to 15 or whatever and then grant is a different conversation and weighing your risk when it's a higher pic but if i'm drafting somebody who like the ceiling might be at best the seventh or eighth guy you know maybe he's a starter on a bad team, but i hit it with the younger guy where the track record i haven't looked at. younger guy where the track record, and I haven't looked at it most recently in the last couple of years, but for years and years when I've looked at this

stuff, like there was just a greater rate of success for the younger picks than the higher picks. So whenever there's a college basketball player that's had some seasoning and then he comes into the league and he had success, it's like, oh, you know, these guys are obsessed with these international guys and these young guys and these raw guys. And it's like, yeah, they are, they are. They've only got so many roster spots. guys and these young guys and these raw guys. And it's like, yeah, they are, they are there.

They've only got so many roster spots free agencies almost impossible for most of the franchise's trades are convoluted. The players have, they're going to have less power with the new CPA than they did in the past, at least landing where they want to land all the time as we've had for like 10 years. But that's why teams will go yet. Like I can't be in the business of rounding out my bench. I have to be in the business of getting the highest ceiling guys knowing that I might be screwing this up.

You know, so if I hit on them, it's worth it. Right. And so I'll take the criticism, but you know, for every successful college guy, there's a, you know, there's a lot of Tyler Hansbrough's out there where it's like, wait, that guy wasn't, wasn't good. And he's almost like, look, nobody, the Tebow has had one of the most incredible college careers ever in his sport. But Hansbrough was an absolute stud. And then you watched him early on in NBA games, like a lot

of this stuff just isn't going to work for him. So I never really blamed teams for swinging on the unknown, knowing how hard it is to add that kind of talent. All right, number three. So the fourth quarterback, we already covered it with JJ McCarthy. So we've got that. Give me your outside the first round pick. So he's not going to go in the first round. Teams are going to regret it. Ricky Parasol, the wide receiver from Florida. And this guy just lit it up at the combine, huh? Like I mean did he did but I pick up garbage as well I'm telling you like even before this he was he was my guy he and Like I don't know There's like three or four receivers in the second round that I won't be surprised if they wind up having better careers in the guys in the first round

We see it every single year and and pierce all is gonna wind up going probably early second round He was the most efficient slot receiver in the SEC and one of the most efficient slot receivers in the country. He finished strong. He goes to the senior bowl. He was at the senior bowl. I love it because at the end of the week, you're like, oh, wait, he's the best route runner of the group.

He's the guy who can get just separating it open His separation is different from everyone else and then it's like yeah But is he explosive enough to be more than just like my possession guy my slot possession guy, right? Ran a 4-4 in the 40 yard dash at 6189 pounds had a 42 inch vertical a 10 9 broad jump all of these things show Explosiveness and you want to see the number, the sub seven second number for guys who can separate to show it. Well, it's not just smarts and crafty and beating up on, on number three cornerback sometimes in that nickel situation in college. It's like, does he have the agility and the change of direction and body and body control?

And he ran a six nine or six, six, four,", 4. 6'6", 4 in his 3 cone drill. So, you combine all of those things, the senior bowl, the senior year, what he does, and then the measurables. I think that he's going to be a steal for a team in round 2. Yeah, maybe the catch of the year in college for Paul as well. Okay. Last one. Give me just the pre-draft riser now. Okay. Last one. Give me just the pre-draft riser now. Brandon Fisk. He was a good player. Like I liked his tape coming into this past year. He got better as the season went on. Yeah, sorry, Florida State defensive tackle. He got better as the season went on. Just, he's a three technique, you know, typical like penetrate explosive. I just love the guys who

were twitchy, you know, like if you're going to play in that scheme, like the Tampa two, you know, there's variations, but if you're going to be asked to penetrate onto the outside of the guard, get up the field and just blow the play up, disrupt. You need a guy who's like his movements are quicker. And you saw at the senior bowl, he arguably the best player there all week, right? Blowing plays up one-on-one drills dominant. He was awesome his senior year, and he was even better late in the year when they really needed him. Like he got better and better.

And then he goes into the workout he had. It matched everything that you wanna see. Cause he's not the biggest guy, so damn, he'd better be explosive. And he ran at 4-7-8 in his 40 yard dash. He had 33 and a half inch vertical. I know no one cares, nine foot nine broad, but those are great. I care. I care about the broad jump more.

Those are lower body explosive numbers that you're looking for. I think Brandon Fister coming in, I think coming into the year, he was like a third, fourth rounder at the end of the season. He was a, he locked himself into like maybe early third end of the senior bowl. He's like, this guy's going in the second. He's not gonna get out of the second. It won't shock me now with all this information if he winds up late in the first. That's how much he's done during this pre-draft process

to date to help his stock. You've helped our stock on all of this stuff, man. That was incredible. And we'll have you on before the draft and then we'll probably jump right around. Congratulations to you, man. Congratulations to you. You got your own channel now.

Big stuff over here. I mean, who would have thought when like 20, 20 something years ago, and then we'll probably... Congratulations to you, man. Congratulations to you on your own channel now. Big stuff over here. I mean, who would have thought, like, 20, 20-something years ago, plugging in as a local Boston radio guy, you would have your own YouTube channel. You've made it now. You've made it. I'd argue there's some other things that have gone better than the launching of this today, but you are part of history.

No shit. That's why I'm joking about it. I'll see you, bud. Thank you. Let's do it. I'll see you, bud. Let's do it. The NBA Alliance. We are ready to go. Man, not as much regular season left. I was looking ahead of some of the schedule stuff and all that, but we have a good one tonight, Phoenix in Denver. Just looking at some of the regular numbers here, Denver's favor by nine and a half points in this one, really disappointing loss for Phoenix the other night against OKC came all the way back. They could not, as I mentioned in the tales from the couch from the previous game on Sunday night, they could not stop and stop turning the basketball over. All right, so last week didn't work out, four legs though,

trying to find a way to get value and at least relatable ones, not making one so hard on the payout that you're like, I don't even know if that'll happen. Kyle's hit. Suryd and I both, um, that was brutal. That was brutal. What happened to us? You got early threes from both of our guys and they just didn't score again. Yeah. For context, you had over, we had what? Over one and a half for poor Zengas threes. He hits one early and then doesn't hit one the rest of the game. I had over two and a half for Buddy Heald. He hits two in the first five minutes and then he goes over five

the rest of the game from three. So good times. Yeah, I, you know, I look it up and I'll try to put the work into it. Porzingis had only had one three in like the previous 14 games and two or more and all the other ones. And then he hits one immediately is watching the games like, oh, cool. We might get it. We might get off to the winning side. But Kyle was the only one who got anything done that week. So that means the table is yours, Kyle. We're going to put together each of our picks and kind of figure out a fourth one here, and then we'll give you the payout on that one. And it'll be up on Fanduil for you. So all right, Kyle, you go first. All right. And this is for Nugget Sons, correct? Nugget Sons, it helps. Yeah. All right. Okay. I got KCP under 10 and a half points. I went to the Lakers Nuggets game

and I just imagined he didn't play but maybe that's what's informing my decision here. I could not find a stat line form so I imagine I didn't see him out there. Yeah. So, who knows? I guess we're just going with vibes again. Rusty. It's gonna be Rusty. The vibes are good. So under 10 and a half points from KCP. I like it. Let me to go Yeah, I'm just now I got a double check injury reports, but go ahead I'm gonna take Aaron Gordon six plus rebounds He averages about six rebounds a game sons are in middle of the road team and rebounding and Yolkish can't do everything. I kind of liked him or

Micah Porter, Jr. But the odds were better for Gordon. So I'll go Gordon All right, I was trying to find an easy Yokech number here to record six plus assists. He's minus 1450. Not great value there. Not going to help himself, Bob. Yep. Nope. So eight plus assists, Yokech is minus 300.

So put that one in the old blender, Siruti. And what do you think the fourth one should be? Do Nugget's Moneyline? They're almost a 10-point favorite. They've been on fire lately. Yeah, so if we did that that's plus 343 That's a decent pap Plus 343. All right, so in review sorruty the bet is KCP under 10 and a half Aaron Gordon six plus rebounds Nicola Yolkich yoke the Joker and Nuggets Moneyline, plus 343.

There you go. All right. You're welcome. There you go. Thanks to FanDuel. That'll be up on the sportsbook. You want details? Fine.

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because it seems like whoever's editing, like two people or just use whatever file they use. I never realized it was that big of an issue, but I like that people are paying attention, which is just a credit to everybody. Good sign. People are talking. Do you have a scarf for this? Yeah. What's going on here? What are we talking about? You got a red scarf on oh, no, no, that's a car gear. What are you talking about big game to Paul? We're the first first floor out right now. This is I mean whatever we let's go

Yeah, I love it. It's a we know is it only because of Petino I don't know. I didn't really have a like I do a college basketball pod I went to potstam, you, not making a ton of headlines there. So I was like, I guess I just don't do it. And I was like, you know what? I'm going to do it. Let's get in on the ground floor. The Rictator's back.

Everyone loves a comeback story. It's New York basketball. It's just, it's, it made too much sense not to do it. I love it. I just want to hear you next time you're just a frolic room, just screaming, we are St. John's. But you need a little pause. We are New York basketball. It's the new slogan. Well, you got a live show coming up, just screaming, we are St. John's, but you need a little pause. We are New York basketball.

It's the new slogan. Well, you got a live show coming up, right? With one shiny pod and, uh, in what Durham? Yeah, Durham on Thursday. Should you wear a white suit to that? In honor of Rick Patino, I know there's nothing to do with UNC or Duke, but to show up in a white suit, I kind of like that idea. I got a couple of Tommy Bahamas dry clean.

So I think I would I would kick myself if I wasted that. But I mean, I guess I could keep, I could keep them in the closet. They did a live show from Durham. Yeah, it was awesome. You know, it's funny on that deck. Yeah. Yeah. So it was the top of the top of the hill or something. You know, what's funny is, and I mean, Duke people are going to get mad and you guys are doing the show in Durham, but like we

drove through Durham and it's, you know, it's like a, it's like a really like sterile kind of place. And then you go to, and then you go to Chapel Hill. Chapel Hill is one of the coolest places I've ever been. I'm like, how do you, like, I know Duke has the prestige on it stuff, but Chapel Hill was so freaking cool. I'm like, man, who goes to, like, who wouldn't want to go to school here? I know.

I went to do later that trip on my own, shocker and I was determined to try to get into Cameron, you know, so I was like walking around. I was like, I could probably figure out a way to like talk my way in here a little bit. And I caught one of the players and I was like, Hey, this is like, sort of a weird ass, you know, hoping there might have been like, Oh, because at that point I was with Cannell. And I was like, I just would love to just kind of even see the inside. And he was just like, dude, I can't do that. I was like, yep.

Or you got him. Right, yeah. I mean, I would have said no to me too, if I were on the team. You're just, listen, I'm not just some guy, okay? Yeah. I was trying. I have a YouTube channel.

I will have a YouTube channel at some point in my future. I was trying to hint at not just some guy status, but it's probably worse hinting it, not just some guy when you're definitely not a guy. You know, so it look, they're well trained down there. So Duke security, they're looking out for you. For the record, that we, that was the ceiling is the roof game. I told the story multiple times we were at the ceiling is the roof game I told the story multiple times. We were at the ceiling is the roof game You and I were sitting next to each other Tate was there shouts out Tate whatever UNC and

We didn't really have cell service in the in the arena And it was I think it was a halftime show right or something They were honoring him at halftime and he said like yeah The ceiling is the roof and you and I just kind of like look at each other and everybody else around us It's like what the hell is what ceiling is the roof? But we didn't have internet access so we didn't realize like how like as much it took off as like a you know A thing online until we got out and lay an hour later and saw that it was like this huge meme thing So yeah, I tell mom tell my kids I was at the ceiling is the roof game

My favorite part is Roy Williams. Let us get shots up. Yeah, and then right is Roy Roy told me at the combine once like I'm walking through the combine in Chicago and Roy Williams stops me and I hadn't you know We probably had him on a phone or a couple times, you know over the years of the SPN But it wasn't like I was you know like text buddies with him and he had told me he's like Ryan come up here I was like all right That's kind of cool because I had knee surgery this year because I watched, I've watched you in van Pelfers, but I watched you and Danny every day this year because I was just recovering from my knee.

You know, I was like, Oh man, that's really cool. So then I hit them up and then I think it was Sean May too. And I was like, Hey, we're coming by. I'm like, I know this is a huge ask, but is there any way? And Roy's like, yeah, no problem. Racquetballs are over there. Like came over said, hello, he's like, yeah, no problem. Racquetballs are over there. Like came over and said, hello, he's like, do whatever you want. And then right out of central casting,

Roy leaves the junior high PE coach. She comes over and she's like, what are you doing? What are you doing? It's like getting shots up, you know? And she's like, you can't, I was like, yeah, Roy said it was fine. Oh, yeah, sure he did. No, no. And he said that it was like, okay, never mind. Like, this was one time I was working out at Oregon's football facility, but it actually wasn't just the football facility,

it might have been before the whatever the most recent expansion was, but Chip was still there. And I was like, can I get a workout in over here? I'm up here for four days again, no problem. So I worked out, but it was like the same day as the female tumbling team. So their coach comes. Yeah. We're live. So you got to be careful.

No, you can't edit these things out. Right. And I'm older and you're just making sure you're like, don't even like focus on the mirror, your mirror, focus on the weights, you know? Pick a corner, pick a corner in the floor. Make your reps right, exactly. You know? Felt like a pledge,

being like, don't look in my eyes. So I'm sitting there and then the tumbling coach comes over. He's like, who are you and what are you doing here? And I was like, oh, Chip said it was fine. And then he laughed. He was like, that's a good way to be able to do anything here. Just say Chip said it was fine. And then he let it He was like, that's a good way to be able to do anything here. Just say chip said it was fine. And then he let it work out.

Both of those stories started out sounding really cool. And then the, the not so cool. I was like, oh yeah, he's, he's getting shots up at UNC and he's working out. And then people are just coming up to you like, who the fuck are you man? So, uh, yeah, I, well, I don't kind of, kind of dump it on the stories out of the gate there a little bit. That's all right. So let's get to let's get to some emails here.

All right. Is my wife being selfish? Um, I don't know if I want to read this one. All right. False alarm. That one's tabbed though. All right. Oh, this is what I wanted to do because I thought wife.

I thought woman. Um, I'm a woman who was not a big listener of your show for the YouTube audience that maybe knew here. We celebrate these. I do not have a basketball comparison for you, but I love Shakira and she's from the same town I'm from in Columbia. So maybe her or Edgar Renteria. That's a pretty, I don't know that we've ever had somebody offer up a comp that is that wide a range Shakira and Edgar Renteria. All right. My question is about my husband's upcoming birthday. He says that all he wants for his birthday is to be mean and bully me all day.

Nothing too intense. Just yell at me and throw soft items like water up clothes at me for the day. He says it'll be kind of like a Dick's last resort situation, but I don't know what that means on the one hand. I don't know what that means. On the one hand, I don't want to get bullied all day, but on the other hand, this is possibly the easiest birthday gift ever. Is this a red flag against my husband or should I bite the bullet for his birthday this year?

I defer to the married guys. Um, is this, is this a precursor to other things? Like what are we, we're talking a little role playing here. What, what is this? It sounds pretty cheap and he can't return it. It sounds like it might be a Pandora's box situation and things can only get weirder from here. I'm very close with my wife. If this was my fantasy, I wouldn't let her know.

I don't know. Like there's nothing overtly like terrible about it, but I don't think the signs are good. Definitely a couple of red flags, probably. I don't know if this is how I felt deep down, it would just stay there, bottle it up. Yeah, I always think about this. Like obviously as a married guy, I've been married for five plus years. There are people say, oh, you know, there are no secrets in our relationships. And, you know, we're open. I feel like I'm a pretty good dude.

They're absolutely secrets. I don't let the full, I don't want 100% of the weird come out of me all the time. You know, like you gotta, you still have to like kind of bottle some of that up, or else you're gonna scare her off still. Like, you know, like, I don't want to be like,

I don't want to be like, I don't want to be like, I don't want to be like, I don't want to be like, I don't want to be like, I don, I feel like I'm a pretty good dude. They're absolutely secrets. I don't let the full, I don't want a hundred percent of the weird come out of me all the time. You know, like you got to, you still have to like kind of bottle some of that up or else you're going to scare her off still. Like it's not, I don't know. Like, so this, this to me is a little bit of a red flag. I got to be a little bit nervous. I would, I'm with Kyle wouldn't share that information, but, you know,

maybe you're going to be able to roll with the punches. Yeah. I mean, you, like your roleplay mostly Harry Potter stuff, right? And you still have that on. Is this because I saw this in the chat. It's because of what I'm wearing. Oh, is that what's going on in the chat right now? It looked like I went to Gryffindor.

So the chat is incredible, by the way, shots of the people on the chat. They want to know if I've seen doing yet. I have not. But yeah, I saw somebody ask if I was in Gryffindor. I'm not. It's a. It's a. You would have been though. You would have been. No, Ravenclaw. Ravenclaw, dude.

Is that the Clothing brand are you back in with them because you well? I'm wondering if you're the reason why we've seen such a spike in Abercrombie, right? Well, Pete Yeah, right after I mentioned on the pod it came out that you know They're up however money hundreds of percent and I told I just said they're back This is not an Abercrombie number. This is a J crew number, which I know is pretty basic, but I just said they're back. This is not an Abercrombie number. This is a J crew number, which I know is pretty basic, but.

Was that sales or was it like a GameStop situation? No, like the Abercrombie sales. They've given it back. They have like a total rebrand. They've been. Seruti called it. Yeah. He really did.

We're gonna have Josh Brown on again to talk finances. It's like, we don't need you, dude. We got Seruti. You had the Abercrombie call. It's a best call. Your home stock tips. Honestly, yeah. I mean, good luck Jim Kramer topping that call on 24.

All right, let's get to some other ones that we just like to have the women chime in when we can. So maybe this is your first one. All right, this is a good one. Nice. College take home quiz snitch 59165. This past fall semester, I transferred to my state's big university as a junior. I transferred to community college. So keep in mind, I didn't start out with a fun typical college experience.

But you know what you did? You started off where you didn't want to start, you did the work, you put in the hours, you got the reps in and now you're where you want to be. All right? So I know not everybody's path is the same, but give yourself credit for that. All right, this campus has dorms for transfer students, which is where I live my first semester. I know that's probably not ideal, not loving that, but whatever. I was lucky enough to get paired with good roommates, having friends in my hometown at this school, may transition to this new school. Pretty flawless.

Okay. Actually, the rare occasion that this all works out. I was in an econ class that was Monday, Wednesday with an optional Friday morning first period TA class. What? Optional Fridays? The only catch at the end of Wednesday's class, the professor would give the students a take home quiz that must be handed to the TA at the Friday optional class.

I met another transfer student in the class who lived in the same building as me. We'd help each other out with homework, et cetera. He was also less likely at finding friends. So being a transfer, so the first few weekends I'd be at a party and he would reach out asking if I had any plans. I honestly knew that he'd be strictly classroom friends and not outside of school friends, but I still

felt bad that he was a transfer student with not a lot of friends and had no plans, so I would invite him to a few parties. I turned 21 halfway through the semester, so now I was going to be out a lot more on Thursdays. Yeah, you were. One week I asked my econ school friend if I complete the take home test, can I give it to you on Thursday and you turn it in on Friday's class? That way I can go to the bar Thursday night and not be dying in the classroom tomorrow morning on the Friday morning. Keep in mind he isn't 21 and he was 100% going to class Friday morning every week. He agreed the first time. I asked a few weeks later, he agreed again. I was still inviting him to parties here and there

whenever he would reach out. The third time I asked, he said, no, when you signed up for the class, you committed to showing up and handing in your work. A kid said that to you at 20 years old. I'm shocked he hasn't met more people. It's not like I'm making him do my test. I was doing it all myself. I wasn't cheating or doing any extra work since I was bringing the filled out test to his dorm. I nearly freaked out on him, but instead simply replied, okay, and then never texted to talk to him again. That's not a friend in my eyes. He would occasionally text on weekends, but no reply for me,

which meant no party for him. I wouldn't sit with him in class anymore. He could tell that I no longer liked him, but he was a P word and wouldn't agree to turning in my quiz. So I knew, uh, so he would never even come up to me about it. We were never really friends. So it wasn't the biggest deal. Sometimes I wonder if I should have just let him hear much of a P word. He is sometimes I wonder if I should have invited him to another party. What would the fellas have done? Uh, well, look, anybody who's 20 is giving

you the speech of like, you knew what the class was and what the requirements were. Like, this is not my world. This is not how it would work. You would be banned from the friend group immediately if you ever did something like this. And he should have realized that you are more valuable to him than he is to you. I also think at 21, 21-year-old college hangover, you should be able to still get up in the morning and hand in. Right, because you're going to feel good by like 10. However, that's not really the point here. I'm completely on your side.

He completely screwed up the value of the relationship because I'm sure some of your buddies were like, who's this? Is your econ buddy? Like, yeah, like, when's he going to be fun? You know, because it never it didn't sound like you ever really hit it off enough to the point where you still want to be friends with them afterwards. So punishment and not like that's a pretty severe punishment. If you were one part of his social pipeline and now he doesn't really even have it.

I don't think you have to work them over verbally on top of everything else, but I think you are wired a very weird way. If you're a 20 year old guy in college, after you would agree two other times that you would resent the move so much that you feel like you're an adult enough here to scold another college student. Yeah, I think even outside of that, this is a little bit normal. Like my freshman year and then my hiatus, my year after the hiatus year, I was like day trading friends.

Like it was like, I was like, I don't know what's going on. I'm just trying to see like, and so maybe after like a month, I'd be like, yeah, this is not happening. Sorry, sorry, Bob. I was going to say Todd, but Todd was just on. So that's- But guys still wanted to hang out, I bet,

with you during your abroad year, but you didn't go abroad. Well, actually a lot of those guys came, a lot of those guys left. There was like nine of us, a couple got kicked out, one transferred, like it was actually kind of, the whole crew was like decimated. The original nine. Yeah, it was not great.

And of course my guy Doc disappeared. We've been over that. Graduated from there? No, out of the original nine. One for nine. No, I think probably five. Actually, most of them graduated just not from there. They kind of looked around and was like,

yeah, Podstam was our safety, safety school too. And I was like, I think it's the one for me. And Doc was what, the older guy that was 30? Yeah, yeah. He just disappeared. Just to recapture that whole idea that you hung out with a 30 year old guy your freshman year in college I was 17 for the first part of that year too Collins day back no free day care, bro. I was in there a four serenity

Yeah, I would just say there's nothing there is nothing we know somebody, it doesn't have to be in your friend group, but have went to college or school with somebody who is just like the adult. Like they want to be the dad of the group. And that guy, like, that just shouldn't be your personality. And like, you know, maybe this, I get it. Like maybe this guy is just annoyed because like, cool, like I have to do this thing that you don't have to do.

And I'm just, what do I get out of this other than like, you know, maybe go into a couple of parties I wouldn't go to, but I don't really care that much. I just don't like the personality of a person who's like, you know, like in high school, it's like, oh, I like, you know, maybe going to a couple parties I wouldn't go to, but I don't really care that much. I just don't like the personality of a person who's like, you know, like in high school, it's like, oh, I want, you know, I want to be class mom or I want to be class dad. Like that's just a weird why. Why do you want to be that person? Like you have your entire life to do that.

Yeah, don't get it. I remember there was a girl that I kind of dated in college and I think it was my fifth year. And at that point, I was actually doing better in school once everybody, like once it was like, hey, you gotta figure this out. But she had a roommate who was already like 35 years old. And we had a class together.

I think it was like an environmental law class, which again, chalk it up to UVM and being like, would I go to law school? And be like, nope, and nope. And she would, I wasn't, I wouldn to law school? And be like, nope, and nope. And she would. I wasn't, I wouldn't say I was super good in that class, but I remember we would just get called on. It was a really small group.

It was a tough class to skip because it was so small. Um, and if I was getting into like some sort of answer and I was really suffering. And the funny thing was when you're younger and you're full of shit, you don't really realize that everybody else already knows that you're full of shit. You know, like as if some 40 year old professor hasn't seen a hundred of you already. And so he's asking me some question and I don't have the answer, but I'm trying my hardest.

I'm just gonna word him. If I just say enough words, it might sound like I know what I'm talking about. And the roommate who was 21 going on 35, she would turn around in the class because I always sat in the back, cool guy, bro. And she would just shake her head. She'd just shake her head at me. It's like, look, it's already bad enough. I'm dying here in front of the actual professor. I don't know. You're not even a TA and you're turning around. And then revenge would be I would end up stopping by the apartment on the weekends, usually

somewhat late. And then I would tell the roommate, like your roommate was scolding me again in there. I'd be like, she hates you. I was like, fair enough. You talk about it at breakfast. Yeah. Late breakfast. Okay.

One more here. All right. This one, I'm frowning on the title of it because I don't like this I don't like doing this, you know, people think I'm anti-pets. I wouldn't want to do that to the pets is My position. I understand the joy of having a dog I understand how some people like cats the low maintenance part of the fish part look the fish thing in the beginning is really really cool, man, it's dude Well, what do you got a beta fish in a bowl?

I mean, if you got like a 20 gallon tank, I mean, that is, that's an hour of green, nasty water, uh, parts. I don't know. Yeah. And enjoy it. All right. Parts and the whole thing, cause I've done that too. And you're right.

That's, that's an undertaking. I had it, it's its own like biosphere going on at one point in the beginning. I thought it was the coolest thing in the world. And all the stuff starts dying. A snake escapes. Your roommates are mad. In the beginning, I thought it was the coolest thing in the world and all the stuff starts dying, a snake escapes, your roommates are mad. So, yeah, you're right. There's opposite ends of the spectrum on the fish part of it.

So anyway, the title of this one, my roommates and I are thinking of adopting a dog, 6'4", 2'10", Max Bench is probably 2'50", bit more in a running recently. So it's not 2'50", is it? NBA comp Antoine Jamison on the Wizards. Oh, a lot of game, a lot of game there from our guy, Tar Hill. I'll try to keep it short for the listeners.

I live in a small apartment in New York City with two of my lacrosse teammates from college, these guys party 24 years old. We're thinking about adopting a dog. I've grown up with dogs my whole life, so I know what it takes to care. Take care of them. Uh, I've also been looking forward to getting my own dog at some point down the line, though wasn't expecting to be this soon. The topic has come up and oddly enough, my roommates have been the ones trying to convince me, the dog person that we should pull the trigger and adopt

a dog. I understand that I'll be doing majority of the work with the dog. I typically get off work earlier than they do and I understand what it actually means to have a dog you need to take care of. We all work jobs at fairly long hours, though I work remote one to two days a week and I have a girlfriend who works remote and can be around when needed. I don't know man, I already don't like a lot of this stuff. We enjoy going on most of the week, enjoy going out on most weekends. Wait, you live in the city, you're 24 and you played lacrosse. I imagine you're in finance as well. So yeah, you probably do go out a decent amount. Um, a decent amount. And I understand I'm okay with the fact that having a dog around will mean more nights in than we're used to. I'm a huge dog person. We'd love to have a little

guy around all the time to hang and bond with. I also think it'd be somewhat fulfilling for myself to do care about something more than myself. Real life lessons here. I'm also aware that we are dumb 24 year olds and adopting a dog would be around for years and years to come. Maybe one of the worst ideas we ever had would love some advice in the situation Hear from three dudes and know what they're talking about. All right Why don't you guys go first because you both you have a dog now right Saruti? I have two dogs. Yeah, I'm a big dog guy I've got a 65 pound moth son race like a border collie ish And I've got a wiener dog who is also kind of a mutt, but he's mostly a wiener dog

And he's awesome, and he's the alpha which is pretty funny. What's his name? His name is moose Your name dog name. Yeah, I like moose a lot really good when we got him his name was Yuri Um, I don't know if it was like Eastern European or something. I don't know and like the expo's mask We just kind of found found that a little bit weird So we changed it to moose and he just you know, he was he was cool from day one But it's also one of those things where we, he got him as like an older dog. We have no idea where he's banned. He's from Arkansas. He was like, we're on the streets and then now he's just up and kind of getting lives the best life. So what's the other dog's

name? You're not going to like this one. It's Mumford. Moose is good. Yep. I figured you would not like that one. Yeah, we call them. I mean, we have a thousand nicknames for them. We don't even ever call them their actual names, but Anyway, the dog officially changed its name How confused was it?

Not that kid well We got month when he was a puppy so like that was no I get that part, but I'm talking about moose moose doesn't care All moose cares about is that he can like lay down and sleep for 20 hours a day And although you know what's crazy about moose is like I didn't know anything about doxins and wiener dogs But they are like wild hunters. He just caught like three or four rabbits in our backyard He caught a possum and he gets super pumped about like brings it to the porch and it's just like a mangled Carcass and you're like hey man, like this is really cool. I understand like, you know This is in your DNA, but like you're freaking my wife out Like my wife is just like horrified by these animals. I keep showing up at our doorstep, but I'm not allowed to do it by it.

Like it's kind of sick. I'm like, man, this is really cool because, you know, you don't show this to often, but you show those flashes of just like the man, like the old school canine thing. And I'm like, do you think he could hop over an X pen? You think? How do you think you'd be able to hop over something like that? He's a good athlete, but no, I don't think so.

I don't think so. Uh, but now he's a good mix. He's a good mix. Um, you know don't think so. I don't think so. But now he's a good mix. He's a good mix. All right, so why don't you go first then? Yeah, no, my thing would be, it sounds like your buddies just want you to get a dog. That's what it sounds like. Yes. Could you also turn in their paper to the TA?

That'd be great. Yeah, so if you want to get a dog, that's great, but this is going to be your dog. I think the idea here is like that you are the main person and they can like have all the benefits of having the dog. Maybe they'll do some of the work, but like when you guys move away, this is likely going to be your dog. So do you want a dog or do you not want a dog?

Cause that's what it sounds like to me. Yeah. I mean, I would much rather have a dog than rabbits, but honestly, if I could have nothing right now, I would How many rabbits you got right now? Still five. So that's what I was really curious about the Weiner dog, if they could maybe get in and do some work and before anybody knew what happened.

And it's like, whoa, we had no where'd this come from? That was a mean job. Is there a cap? Or is there a truth? Is there a CBA or it's like we can't have a sixth rabbit? Or is that always potential? Yeah, I think that's like, I think we'll be getting lawyers involved, there's a sixth rabbit,

that's for sure, she's away. What are their names? I'm not gonna do this again. I hate that, I'm not doing this again, especially on a live show, but there's there's there's five of them and there's five names. So give us one. Harley's one of them. Oh, that's not bad. Yeah, that's a good one. That's the one. There's one. There's one. He doesn't want to tell us. There's a few I don't I'm not proud of. Is it worse than Mumford? No, you know, actually,

I guess, I guess it's not. We got to Come on we got to panga named after the canyon not after one of my first crushes We've got Winona named after Winona rider. That wasn't me Florence don't know where that one came from. It's a dude though Harley and Is that four or five flow Joe? Maybe she's for the Olympics fan Hmm. Sometimes I forget the fifth one Yeah, it would be really weird that you mentioned even by the way that was Alistair Alistair. That's the one that wasn't even the

bad bad. Yeah, yeah, like precious over rabbit named Alistair. Come on. That's a little I like Alistair the best. That's my favorite one. Can I just say in thinking this through you talking about not naming it after after Topanga, it would be pretty weird to name it like an animal, a pet after someone you thought was hot. Yeah, she named it, she was like a big Topanga candy. And she liked Topanga candy. And I guess she enjoys the drive through there.

So that's where it came from. Really? Yeah. Yeah, Sweeney and be like, oh, a big hockey guy. No. Actually, no, yeah. This is my dog, Michelle Pfeiffer. Michelle Pfeiffer is not a terrible dog, Farrah. You just said Pfeiffer, but then it's like you like tribe and you're like, no, catwoman.

I can't believe the rabbit names were actually disappointingly better than... They were. Yeah. So that's the Mumford thing. I know you just already expected me to give you a ton of shit about it. I'm not going to. I just, it's an awesome, it's an awesome early 2000 teens, Siruti dog name. Yeah, we got him, you know, in the height of, you know, the Mumford and Suns. I still love Mumford and Suns even concert many times. Remember, do you remember we argued, Danny Cannell and I argued about this because he named his dog, I think we got dogs at the similar time, he named his dog Bowden and I thought that was weird. I thought it was weird that he named his dog after his coach. No disrespect.

I thought it was cool. I took Canell's side on that one. Cause I just think if you play for Bobby Bowden, you want to name your dog after that and you actually played there, like you can't really tell him he's doing it wrong. Like- What if I named my dog, my next dog was Silla?

He'd be like, hmm, a Ryan. I'd be honored. Would you be honored? You want to watch it? We got after Vic Fangio. You feel like did you play for him? You're like, no, I just love his schemes. Yeah.

Real notes how to dial it up. But keep it simple, more aggressive, but we're going to dial it up and keep it simple. All right. So we've really blown off the answer to this. We don't normally do this this long, although I imagine most people listening to this, have heard this before, and are like, what is this right now? I was scrolling for triad chords. Yeah, I saw Mock Trap.

I saw McShay Mock Trap, and all of a sudden we're talking about rabbit names. A lot of 1.5 speeders in this chat, I noticed. These guys sounded hammered, because I can't do this at regular speed. My philosophy on dogs is always very simple. Think about the dog more than think about yourself. All right, now in this case, if you're adopting a dog, you're doing that dog a huge favor.

All right, so let's get that out of the way. That's the nicest possible thing to say out of this whole deal. It sounds like you already do know what you're signing up for. Far more so than I think other people that would be in your situation. You want the dog. You're, you already know you're like out of the three guys, there's going to be one guy that never does anything, never does anything.

It's going to be the same as a cool scarf, you know, where it's just going to be a little accessory for him. He's going to take it out and he's going to hope to meet girls because he's got this cute little dog. And look, I know a lot of guys that did that. Now in college, it was even more annoying because the college guys, especially as soon as you got your own off-campus apartment, house, whatever, guys, we ran out of dogs in Vermont, right? Guys get them left and right and they guess what happens. They get a job, they move somewhere, they can't bring their dog and now their parents have inherited the dog. The number of dogs

that have been inherited by parents, these college kids are just like, whatever, I'm buying a dog. So I always want, it's a lot like having a kid, like what's the long term plan? Is this stable? Is this something that's going to be good for him? You know, in the city, it's always a little bit more challenging, but because it's an adoption and you be doing something that's improving the dog's life quite a bit, I would say do it based solely on how specific your email was. There's another version of this email that rolls in where I'm like, you guys aren't ready. You're going to be idiots about it. You're making it inconvenient. What happens when you move out, you know, dogs in

the divorce can get really nasty, you know, really nasty. And I think you can go to court for those. I guess you could. And Judy, Judy takes care of it. Judy will take care of it. Judy does dog. She'll do dogs. Yeah. Do they have split custody? Sure. custody with dogs? No, I like it when they bring the dog in there like, All right, you guys call it and they just like whichever one the dog goes to She's like, all right done. That doesn't seem legal. Well, I mean

What do you know about it? What do you know about it? I don't know you what if you white beef jerky all over your forearms that day Well, you know what he likes. I don't know. It sounds like you're paying attention. Yeah, maybe maybe I know way more than you realize. I don't think there's anything else on that one. I think that's good. Right? Yeah. Yeah, I just say on those college dogs, sometimes like you'd be at like a big house and it's like, wait, your dogs a part of this party? Are you guys, it's anyone keeping tabs on this dog? I felt like some of the dogs in college, like they, they've been through the ringer. They look pretty, uh, they look pretty terrified at some of those things. Yeah.

But there was usually always like a dog in the basement. Fuck. We had two, we had two my last year and I was fine with a one and I wasn't thrilled about the second one. And it was, everybody knew there was going to be an issue because the guy didn't tell me he just showed up with the dog. And I was like, did everybody else know? And they were like, yep, we, none of us told you.

Cause we just didn't want to hear you bitch about it. Like you can bitch about it now that it's official, but we figured we'd avoid you bitching about it for four weeks being like, do we really need a second dog? Even though we had a massive house our last year that we were there, but parties, there's always a girl that just gets down with the dog. Yeah.

Like I don't want to talk to dudes. I'm just going to play with this dog in your kitchen the whole time. You know, like, cool. It's like having babysitters for free, except it's a dog. So it sounds like you have a good head in your shoulders of this. I would say go ahead and get the dog. All right. Life Advice has been brought to you courtesy of CVS Health, where healthier happens together. To learn more, visit CVS Health.com slash Healthier Happens Together. So this is the deal. We did this show live today on YouTube to kind of launch the channel. So please subscribe. We're going to have other stuff in this, probably going to put some of our better segments, maybe some of the

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