The Ryen Russillo Podcast - The Jontay Porter Scandal and Sweet 16 Picks With Seth Davis. Plus, NFL QB Prospect Bo Nix.

Episode Date: March 26, 2024

Russillo opens the show with his thoughts on the Jontay Porter scandal (0:36). Then, Seth Davis joins to discuss the most impressive teams so far, share his underdog pick, and preview the biggest Sweet 16 games (13:00). Next, former Oregon QB Bo Nix comes on to share how he’s different from his time at Oregon and what led to his breakout with the Ducks (35:42). Plus, another Alliance (58:19) pick with Ceruti and Kyle and Life Advice (61:24)! What should I do when my job tries to demote me? Check us out on Youtube for exclusive clips, live streams, and more at https://www.youtube.com/@RyenRussilloPodcast The Ringer is committed to responsible gaming. Please check out theringer.com/RG to find out more, or listen to the end of the episode for additional details. Host: Ryen Russillo Guests: Seth Davis and Bo Nix Producers: Steve Ceruti, Kyle Crichton, and Mike Wargon Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

On today's episode of the podcast, Seth Davis recaps everything from the first weekend and looking ahead to the Sweet 16. That's right, Tournament Talk, your home for the tournament. And Bo Nix, moving on from Auburn, getting to Oregon and getting ready for the draft. I've got some thoughts on the Jontay Porter story and the larger perspective around it. And we've got Life Advice, which took a massive detour today. All right, let's do it. Let's talk Jontay Porter and what is going on with the Toronto Raptors' current player. He's away from the team right now because he's under

investigation by the NBA following multiple instances of betting irregularities over the past several months. ESPN with that report late last night. So, Jontay Porter, brother of Michael Porter Jr. got hurt a couple of times, but he's been playing with the Raptors this season, not a ton. If you've watched any Raptors games as of late, there could be a guy or two you're like, who's that guy? Well, he's a Raptor right now. All right, so let's look at the two games in question, and then we'll run through all this. The first game is January 26th,

where there was a lot of action on his unders, where the prop bets for Porter were five and a half points, four and a half rebounds one and a half assists and under basically half a three so saying he's going to make zero threes he played four minutes and left that game after reportedly re-aggravating an eye injury he finished with zero points three rebounds one assist and zero three-pointers made. The other game was on March 20th where he had totals of the prop bets at least for seven and a half points over under five and a half rebounds over under he played three minutes. He left the game with quote an illness and didn't

return finished with zero points, one field goal attempt, two rebounds. After both of those games, Draft Kings reported on their daily activity that the Porter Unders were the biggest winners for any props in the NBA. All right. So the January 26th game, where he re-ag aggravated his eye injury against the clippers. The under three points made. That was the biggest winner for any prop after the three 20 game. The prop bets for Porter, the unders were the number one moneymaker for the night. So the problem here is that Vegas and the people that handle the action, they are really smart people. They are not stupid people. And the problem for Porter is, is

that you go, wait, a guy who 99% of NBA fans can't name, the only reason you'd be able to know who he was, you'd be like, oh, that's right. Michael Porter Jr.'s brother was pretty good at one point or whatever. But I just don't even know if one out of a hundred NBA fans would know that Porter's on the Raptors, that he was playing rotational minutes because the Raptors are taking and they're completely off the radar. And then on top of it all, you're like, okay, like, why, why would you do this? If these allegations are true when you're a two way player making $415,000

and potentially ruining your NBA career. He sat out Monday after 26 games of the Raptors this season. I went back and watched the Clippers game on the 26th. And I watched the Sacramento game on March 20th. Uh, it was not hard to do to watch it this morning and watch the Porter minutes because there weren't many of them. So the problem is, is I'm watching them where I already know the story. So I'm watching Porter and looking for things that I think are painfully obvious to me, and I'm watching them. where I already know the story. So I'm watching Porter and looking for things that I think are painfully obvious.

And I'll be honest with you, I don't know that they were. And I'm trying to be fair about it because as I'm watching it, I'm like, oh, what's going on there? And it's like, okay, but you would never be doing this. You would never be looking for it if you didn't already know that these two games specifically were the ones being investigated because against the Clippers, he's playing away from the rim. So he's going to want, um, he's going to want to make sure that he's not. Getting a lot of rebounds, but it's like, okay, but wait a minute. That's not really fair because he's in against Tice and matching Tice's minutes and entice plays on the perimeter,

sends a bunch of screens, is more of a perimeter player. It's not like he's going to stand on the block the whole time and post up and then Porter's close to the rim to grab some of those rebounds. So as I watched it, I'm like, Oh, maybe that was a one where he kicked it out. I think the most egregious thing from that Clippers game is that when Westbrook drives on him, Westbrook gets his arm into Porter's neck and then Porter's looking at the bench as he's rubbing his eye. All right.

That was the only thing I saw from the Clippers game where I went, okay, that looks a little weird. Was he already going, Hey, the way to guarantee I win these. Cause I can't make it look too bad. I mean, because there's other plays in both of these games where he's setting the screen, he's rolling hard, he's looking for the pass. Um, I'll get to the Sacramento game or second, something funny in that one happened, but that he doesn't get hit in the eye by Westbrook and then he starts

to rub his eye and then he's looking back at the bench and he still did stay in the game a little bit. So that one's the one that seems a little bit sketchy. But again, to my original point on it, I would have never noticed this. You would have never noticed any of this stuff unless you were looking for it after the ESPN report last night. Um, the Sacramento game. This is weird because he comes in and he's got two rebounds immediately, like 17 seconds

in. And then I noticed that when Toronto lines up for an opposing free throw, Porter was on the lane and then randomly he wasn't and then he was on the lane again. So I was like, why would he ever when he's in there for the backup five minutes, why would he ever not be lined up for free throws? And then he wasn't. And then there's a play at the end of the quarter where, you know, he was on way too high of a rebound pace because the first 17 seconds he's playing in that game, it was just the ball went right to him and he had to grab the rebounds.

Again, if any of this is true, but then there's a moment where the clock is about to expire for the quarter, but the ball is heading to him and he's got the rebound, but he kind of fumbles it towards Schroeder, which doesn't make any sense. The clock goes off, so that one may not even have been logged. And then he leaves that game with an illness. The most damning part is that Vegas got a ton of action on the unders from a player almost nobody fucking knows. And he left both games.

So if you're watching this stuff and going, ooh, that was a weird screen or that's weird or how come he didn't help here? Why didn't he do that? The basketball stuff, you would never ever be watching this. I don't care who you are. You would never be watching that going, Hey, something's up. It's that he left the games and there was action on it.

I saw a bunch of theories, whether it was Porter, I mean, the Otani stuff. I didn't really know what to say because I was like, this just doesn't make a lot of sense. With Otani, I have more questions than I have answers. The language barrier adds to all of it as well. We were just like, wait, at best Otani is like a good friend who paid his buddy's gambling debts. And in the middle, it's that Otani had four and a half million stolen from him. And at worse, it's basically what any baseball fan is arguing on social media that hates the Dodgers because that would be like really unfair.

Cause it doesn't really make any sense. Like I saw something with Porter where it was arguing that he was sharing these cause I guess he's kind of like into crypto and it's trading and it shared some of the stuff and guys are digging through it all, trying to find like the thing, the clue after the story comes out. And it's like, man, all I can, all I've learned from you is that, you know, you would be awful at lost and found. You'd be like, oh, found them. You'd be like, no, it's a treat.

Like there's just, people want to be so involved in it after the fact to uncover like the next piece that maybe makes them get a ton of attention. And that's where I don't think you're going to find the basketball stuff other than the painfully obvious, like, wait, they got all this action randomly from all these people wanting to see what they could bet on the unders and he left both of these games. So that leads perfectly into the next part of this. I've seen a lot of this and a lot of it is, well, hey, everybody's talking about gambling now. It's legal in a bunch of states. Your favorite network is doing it. It's in the arena. The leagues have gotten to bed with them and this podcast, we're giving out a four leg

parlay a little bit later today. And that because of the heightened awareness and maybe just the removal of the stigma of it that we're going to see more and more of this stuff. You can go back to Calvin Ridley. I can't tell you that you're wrong, right? I can't tell you that you're wrong because right? I can't tell you that you're wrong because, you know, the whole point of getting the word out is to try to get more and more people to do something that is just a lot of fun for some. And in this case, career threatening, if you're actually an athlete playing in one of these leagues, knowing that you're doing something you can't do. So I'm sure some could listen to this and say about me, well, you're

just saying that because of this. And I'm like, look, if you know me, if you listen to me, granted, we have more and more new listeners all the time. I'm pretty straightforward with this stuff in that, yeah, there's way more gambling content right now. Never seen anything like it. But the sprint to blame everybody else, other than the person who's the one who ultimately fucks up the most, it consistently fascinates me.

I thought about this when I was reading about the story. You ever go to some tourist attraction somewhere where it's like a huge cliff? It's a waterfall. Like it's something that's really dangerous and everybody gets that it's dangerous, but it's awesome to look at. So they want to give you some access, but they can't give you all the access because there's always somebody pushing it and there'll be a sign that's like, don't jump into this canyon.

And most of us read that sign and we go, who the fuck is that sign for? Who looks at this and goes, and it's not the sign for the rest of us. It's the sign for the person that just is like, well, there's no sign. So maybe I'll do this or more importantly, the sign is for the person that if there were no sign and they jumped and got hurt, they'd be like, well, there wasn't a sign.

You're like, well, so what's that mean? Like imagine going to the zoo and jumping in the bear cave and you're like, well, there wasn't a sign. You're like, well, so what's that mean? Like imagine going to the zoo and jumping in the bear cage, getting attacked, living, and then blaming the zoo. You're like, well, I didn't see a sign that said I shouldn't go into the bear cage. Because I'd like to think most people understand the difference without having to be instructed all of the time, but since there's so much money just being floated around now, I've seen just even looking at some of the reaction on TV

today from the story, it's like, Hey man, NBA has a huge problem. Same thing with Calvin Ridley. Like there's certain media guys that have like, Oh, the NFL takes all this gambling money, but then Calvin Ridley. And it was like, yeah, you're right. The same reason Pete Rose is still signing fucking autographs across the street in Cooperstown. So I can't tell anybody that feels that way that you're wrong, but I'm just not going to feel bad when the next player screws up.

And I think another thing to add to it is that just because guys are getting caught now, does it mean they're getting caught now because guys are just starting to do it because gambling is at the forefront of content more? Or is it that now it's just way easier to get caught because of the tracking capabilities where in the past all sorts of stuff happened that we'll never know about. The Sweet 16 is set.

I just got back from Brooklyn for some first round action. We're gonna welcome in Seth Davis of CBS. Covers Kyle Choups, you know who he is. Also has a sub stack, he's got a book that's come out. So we'll get a plugin for that as well. Okay, we've got the four one seeds, the four two seeds all still alive, so a lot of chalk. Who's the most dangerous after the first week?

Well, it's gotta be UConn. First of all, it's great to see you. I thank you for having me on. I think it's very underappreciated what Dan Hurley is actually doing here. Just to give you some historical perspective, Ryan, there have been two repeat champions since John Wooden's teams at UCLA.

Duke was 91-92, Florida was 2006-2007. In both cases, the championship teams returned basically intact. Maybe one guy here or there, but we basically had the same group of players accomplishing the goal, which is obviously very difficult to do in its own right. In this case, Dan Hurley lost three starters from last year's team plus two reserves. So five of his top eight scores are gone. And then, you know, the ones who returned, the only one who's playing the same role that he played last year is his point guard, Tristan Newton. We see what Donovan Klingon is doing, but last season he was a freshman and he was a backup to Adama Sanogo, who was the Final Four most outstanding player.

So for Dan Hurley to be in this position and regardless of where they end up because the tournament is always kind of a crapshoot, you know, they were a four seed coming into the tournament last year. This team is better than last year's team. Certainly had a better season coming into the tournament as the overall number one and looking absolutely dominant last week. So, you know, obviously they have four games to go, but it's rare enough and hard enough to repeat as champs for Dan Hurley to do what he's done. So he was my national coach of the year. I didn't have to think twice about it because what he's doing is not only extraordinary, but historically unprecedented. Yeah, UConn.

That's why I was so impressed with him, whether it's the three NBA guys, two guys that are in a rotation, and then you see him in person, and you're like, they can just do so many different things. And it's not like you learn about them necessarily at Stetson. You just think about the regular season and how they look and just how tough they are to match up with,

depending on who they want wanna be that night. Yeah, and they can do it different ways. That to me is a huge, a huge thing. Some teams like Illinois, they kinda need to beat you 85-80. If it's gonna be 65-60, which is what Iowa State is gonna try to create, it's gonna be more difficult for them.

Auburn, I think, fell into that a little bit. Yale was able to slow them down, but Yale ran with Auburn a lot better than I would have anticipated. UConn can beat you 55-50 or it can beat you 95-90. And that to me is a huge thing. And then really just the defensive piece, like we've seen certain teams, BYU,

Kentucky is a great example. You know, it's hard to, you can win a game or two by just outscoring people, but eventually you're going to have a bad shooting night. And then where do you go? What's your plan B for foul trouble? What's your plan C for bad shooting night, foul trouble, and injury? That's what it takes to win six games. Anyone can win a couple, but can you survive the games where you don't play well?

And I think that's truly what's there. I think Houston has that as well. I think Houston can beat you different ways. They're obviously an elite defensive team. Iowa State is an elite defensive team. Tennessee is an elite defensive team. Their offense hasn't been quite as good the last couple of weeks, but obviously they have a dynamic score in Dalton Connect.

But UConn's the one team in the field, they just don't have a deficiency. So it's gonna take, you know, bad luck. Again, injury, foul trouble, illness, karma, you know, the only question is, you know, care. That's actually interesting, Ryan, that's my earlier point because, you know, it being in studio last week with Jay Wright and Candace Parker,

they talked a lot about the burden of being the favorite, the burden of having to try to repeat and carry that. I think the fact that this is such a different team, you know, yes, you kind of won the title last year, but Cam Spencer didn't, you know, Stefan Castle didn't, you know, Alex Carabin and Donovan Klingon, they did, but they kind of had different roles. So I think just the turnover of the roster has kind of helped maybe lighten that load a little bit. I'm glad Purdue got out of the first weekend and I'm happy for Matt Painter to change some

of the criticism of him. We know that Edie's double-double and we know the three-point shooting is dramatically improved from last year, but what's different about this group? Well, I just think, first of all, two things come to mind. First of all, being older.

So last year they had a freshman back court with Braden Smith and Fletcher Lawyer. And I think the combination of the pressure and just the physical toll that the season was taking a lawyer in particular was the best three point shooter. He was really banged up the last few weeks. If you look at his shooting numbers, the last 10 or 12 games, they were dramatically lower than they were before. So it was a combination of the pressure and that part of it. So those guys are older. I think everybody's older. And

then the addition, you know, personnel wise of Lance Jones, this is a guy who's a fifth year senior transferred from Southern Illinois. He gives them that athletic dimension at the two spot that they haven't had in previous years. And so when they run up against it, you know, they've already, you know, they've already taken care of business, you know, I watched them Grambling State in the first four games. I was like, this is, this is like, they've already taken care of business. You know, I watched them Grambling State in the first four games. I was like, this is, this is like, they kind of remind me of FDU now. You know, it's interesting. It's almost like getting later in the tournament works to the games become easier for Purdue

because they're playing teams that are more like them. And they've already played Gonzaga once and beaten them at the Mount Invitational by 10. So but the addition of Jones is definitely big because he gives them a speedy guy on the wing, older player, easy to get three-point shooter. They had seven players make three-point shots in their win over Utah State, including a couple of freshmen who don't normally get a whole lot of playing time. So that's really what it's going to take to beat Purdue, Ryan, is they're going to have to have a really terrible shooting night.

We know that Edie's going to get his 20 and 10 just by rolling out of bed. But he can be contained. He can be dealt with. Now you got to deal with them without fouling, which is basically impossible. Leads the country and fouls strong for 40 minutes. But if you're going to beat Purdue, you're going to have to crowd 80 and hope those guys miss threes. And they've had a couple of spots this season where they've missed threes, but they haven't been met. Ken Zagas' second half against Kansas, probably one of the most impressive things of the entire weekend. We know that it's not the Kansas standard, Kansas team with their own issues.

But give me some thoughts on the Zachs. Yeah. Well, Kinsaga's had a fascinating season. I mean, you know, we talked about all season long, they have it. First of all, the Kinsaga story itself is grossly under appreciated. I think, I want to say now it's 22 NCAA tournaments in a row. The first one was, was 99. So you do the math for me. I mean, this 2020, so it might be 24, I guess, um, tournaments so it might be 24, I guess, tournaments in a row. There's a little private Jesuit school in Spokane, Washington, out of the

West Coast Conference, nine straight sweet 16s. So people say, oh, it's only because of their conference. They've been to nine straight sweet 16s. The only schools with longer streets are Duke and North Carolina. So if you're making that point, you need to not be allowed to make any more points. So let's start there. But it was interesting because they did lose a lot. They lost, obviously, Drew Timmy and some other guys. And Mark Pugh always plays the hardest non-conference schedule. It's how he's built this program. It's just how he rolls. And then he brought in a couple of transfers.

And Ryan M. Hart came over from Creighton. Graham E.K. came over from Wyoming. And people just assume it's plug and play. And it's not. It takes a while. And, you know, they're good kids, right? So they don't want to come in and start jacking up a bunch of shots and dominating. So it really took about half the year. By the time Gonzaga kind of found its stride, they had lost a lot of non-conference games and put themselves really behind the eight ball just in terms of making the NCAA tournament. Then they went in mid February into Rupp Arena

and they won by two. Could have easily lost that game, pulled it out, won the game and that gave them an important quad one victory, they picked up another one when they beat St. Mary's and then San Francisco on the road. So that put them, and then they ended up getting a five seat. Losing, by the way, to St. Mary's and then San Francisco on the road. So that put them and then they end up getting a five seed losing losing by the way to St. Mary's in the championship game. So they've had kind of an interesting journey because the pieces are there. The talent is there. You had two transfers and then you had a couple of freshmen working

their way and then you know Anton Watson going from a glue guy to a so it's just been kind of interesting watching them and watching Mark few do his thing. And then, you know, Anton Watson going from a glue guy to a, so it's just been kind of interesting watching them and watching Mark few, um, do his thing. And then let's be honest, they were fortunate to find a Kansas team that was missing its best player and, um, didn't have much bench to begin with. And they played great. They played great. Um, and by the way, they throttled, throttled a really good McNeese team. I mean, McNeese is, is a legit team and Gonzaga made them look like a high school They're coming in hot. They're coming in hot. And now, you know, now they're kind of playing with house money. They get to play number one seed Purdue and they're ready for it.

It's going to be a fun game. They have, they definitely have the size. The biggest concern with Gonzaga is they have zero depth in the back court. So they have those two guards in them, Hard, Nolan Hickman, and they have a great defense. They have a great defense. They have a great defense. They have a great defense.

They have a great defense. They have a great defense. They have a the size. The biggest concern with Gonzaga is they have zero depth in the backcourt. So they have those two guards in Nemhardt and Nolan Hickman and basically no guards off the bench. Those guys got to play 40 minutes. You know, fatigue isn't quite a factor, but you know, foul trouble and those things certainly could be. So it should be a fun game, but Gonzaga is playing with house money at this point, which mentally definitely I think works to their benefit.

UNC will take on Alabama. North Carolina was actually 20 and 3 over a stretch up until the ACC Conference Championship game lost to NC State. NC State, by the way, has been terrific. But UNC has the experience. They have the age, despite even losing one of their guys from a couple years ago. Yeah, I mean, you know, look, really good teams lose games. I mean, that's, that's what happened. That's the beauty of college basketball. It doesn't knock you out of the championship chase until you're in the NCAA tournament. Yeah. North Carolina is, is built as a great blend of talent and experience. You know, Armando Baycott is a fifth year senior who is just a stud in the post. He's a walking double double. And then RJ Davis also as a senior, um, had a really interesting season in that,

you know, Caleb wubs transferred to Arizona. It'd be interesting if those two teams end up playing each other, uh, on Saturday out here in LA, but, um, you know, it was just one of those things where. You play a basketball game, Ryan, there's only one basketball, you know, and when you have two ball dominant guards who need the ball in their hands, it's not always going to work, you know, and it didn't work. It didn't work, but it worked for love in Arizona this year and it worked for R.J. Davis.

I mean, Armando Baycott came into the season as the preseason player of the year in the ACC and R.J. Davis is the guy who ended up winning it and then they brought in a transfer couple of transfers but one in particular Harrison Ingram came from Stanford as a junior so he's an upperclassman he was a big-time highly rated recruit who went to Stanford for there all the reasons why you go to a university like Stanford but that basketball park wasn't panning out. So he enters the portal.

He comes to North Carolina and basically reinvents himself as Kenneth Fareed. I mean, he's getting games where he's getting literally 17, 18, 20 rebounds in a game. And that's never been who he was. And he can score a little bit too. So they're a very, very well put together basketball team, very capable of winning this

tournament. The other ones he's going to take on Duke. Duke was, I thought, very impressive in that James Madison matchup. But Houston, I think there's a little criticism of how they closed out A&M. But who do you have in this one? I like Houston. I mean, I thought Duke maybe played its best game of the season against James Madison. And that's a credit to John Chyre. You know, the same thing happened last year, where they just kind of got steadily better during the season, you know, and that's him and the staff and, you know, Duke said, we're so used to Duke dominating our television screens. And of course, they're on all the time, but they've had a seat. They've generated

very little conversation this season by their standards because they haven't been good enough. And they haven't been bad enough. They've been ranked all season. So they basically been between like nine and 20 all year. They basically beat the teams they're supposed to be. And then when they had the chance, you know, to beat North Carolina, they were unable to do it twice. And so they've had a good season and they beat two really good teams very convincingly. Houston is exactly the type of team that has gives teams like Duke problems. We started off talking about, you know, younger teams. One of the issues with younger

players is they're not physically as developed as a 23, 24 year old guy. So Houston's full of those guys. They play an absolute, you know, physical style game. Tennessee is the team that knocked out Duke last year. I remember a few years ago when South Carolina went to the Final Four, they knocked off Duke early just by pounding them, just by physically beating them up.

And so Duke's going to have to come with that. Now, outside shooting, three point shooting, I was liking it, the putting in golf, if you're rolling in a lot of 15, 20 footers, it's going to do wonders for your score. But Houston knows this and Houston has basically been the best, Houston and Iowa State have been the best defensive teams in college basketball all season.

So you know, Duke's going to have to be ready for a physical battle. Plus they're a little bit, both teams actually have injuries from, from reserves, but you know, Duke lost their sixth man, freshman guard, Caleb Foster. So John Chyre doesn't have much of a bench. So any type of, you know, foul trouble and certainly injuries could, could be a problem. So Duke's, Duke's got a puncher's chance. They've got good players, really good offensive players, but they're going to have to play by far, by far their best game of the season to win this game.

Yeah. Like I said, I may have been too impressed with Duke because it was James Madison who I just thought was so good athletically against Wisconsin. Um, but give me the team of all of these, like of the non-one seeds or whatever, because there's still so many high seeds here, that if they won the whole thing, it wouldn't be a surprise to you. So I went with my heart a little bit

in picking Purdue to go to the Final Four. You know, at the selection show, I have like four minutes to fill out the entire bracket because we get the bracket and we have to do the show and have to be ready and they want my picks. I actually think that's a pretty good way to do it. Um, but you know, upon instinctively I wanted to do it. And then upon reflection Creighton to me is a very,

very dangerous team. Uh, I am a big, big, free throw shooting guy. And I remember, you know, sort of growing up reading about how Bob Knight emphasized this. So, you know, to maximize the foul line, you have to do three things. Number one, obviously, you have to shoot a high percentage, which they do. Number two, you have to get to the line a lot, which they're not great at. But the thing they're best at in the entire country is not fouling. And part of it is because they have not much of a bench.

But they also have in Ryan Kalkbrenner, a seven footer who's a great rim protector who knows how to play defense without fouling and is capable of going out to the three point line and knocking down shots from there. So he's a problem. So, you know, they are an older, efficient team. You know, Baylor Shireman is like a

Chris Mullin with a deep lefty three point range gets a ton of rebounds because he's a big guard. They don't have like a true playmaking point guard, but Trey Alexander has had a really good second half of the season. So they basically have six, maybe six and a half, seven guys that they can put out there. They got Tennessee in the Sweet 16, Tennessee, great defensive team, great score in Dalton Connect. They're getting a little bit wobbly on the offensive end, maybe a little bit overly reliant on Connect. He scored 40 against Kentucky in their final regular season game at home, and they lost

the game. So they're in a little bit betwixt in between with him. So obviously you got to catch him on a bad night, but I just think in terms of what they do, their efficient offense, their efficient defense, but they don't get a ton of steals because they don't want to foul. And the fact that they just don't foul.

So you're not going to get as many, it'd be really interesting because this narrative about Zach 80, you know, getting so many fouls and foul shots, I think he could be, I think they could call two or three times the number of fouls against the, that they do. He gets clobbered every what are you going to do? What are you going to fouling? And it was really the only thing.

So, uh, I just think it'd be, you know, the combination of the size of call Craner and the fact that they don't foul would make them a very dangerous matchup for, for, for do if they got to that game. Want to end on this? We all know Rex Chapman, the player, the career after, the ups and downs. I mean you have a new book with him. It just came out, right? Yeah, about a month, three weeks ago. What about this project surprised you? I think in the end, and I probably shouldn't have been Ryan, I was surprised at how painful it was for Rex

to go through this whole process. It was painful for him to talk about all this stuff. It was extremely painful for him down the stretch when he was reading the final pages. And our editor actually made a late audible and switched us to the present tense. I had written it in the past tense and he said, I think this works better in the present tense

because now the reader's living in the moment. And when Rex was reading those versions of it, it put him in the moment. And then combine that with the reality that this thing was about to get published and the whole world was about to see it. I mean, there would be times during the process where, especially when we got to the real rock bottom parts

where we were supposed to talk and he would text me right before and he said, man, I just can't do it today, we got to the real rock bottom parts where we were supposed to talk and he would text me every morning and say, man, I just can't do it today. You got to give me some time. It just beat him up. And then we got close to publication and he really, so at one point he kind of disappeared on me and I thought, I don't know what was going on. Turns out he had to check himself into emergency room because he had a severe panic attack. And then on the flip side of that, and I hoped this would happen, I expected it to happen, but to actually see it happen when the book getting published and then him doing a million interviews.

You know, it's one thing to talk about this stuff with a therapist once a month, you know, but to go into such detail when you're writing it and then reading it and then talking about it over and over and over and over again, revisiting old wounds, creating fresh wounds for his family and the people who are in the book and might not want to be reliving all these experiences that he did. I've watched him Ryan Heal in real time. He was sure. I wrote a thing for my substack when it came out, Rex Chapman thinks you're going to hate him. He was sure that the world would look at this and be like,

this guy is the dumbest, worst guy, blew $40 million, wrecked his life, got addicted to pills, blah, blah, blah. He got arrested. And in fact, what he's gotten is a lot of grace and a lot of love. And so when people look at social media or cable TV or what they're watching and they talk about this toxic world we live in, that's not the world that I live in. I think there's a lot of grace, forgiveness and love in the world.

I think there are a lot of people who are hurting, who experience these feelings and have these experiences. So much of us, every one of us in some form or fashion has been impacted by addiction. And so for, for him to be able to tap into that and then receive the love of the world has been, has been really nice. He'll never be all there. I don't know if he'll ever totally forgive himself, but I think it's been a

lot of healing going on with him. And I think it's really nice. Yeah. It's going to be a whole different kind of project you're working on knowing that you want it to be great, but then it's not always up to you. Yeah, it's gonna be a whole different kind of project you're working on knowing that you want it to be great, but then it's not always up to you. Oh no, and I've done, there's another fourth collaboration I did.

At the same time I was writing this book, by the way, I was writing a book with Sister Jean. So a little bit of a different book. Little bit of a different tone. Yeah, slightly different beats. Slightly different tone on that project. Yeah, right? I'm telling you, I'm telling you,

like, you know, you have Rex, you know, every other word is the F word, and then Sister Jean, like, oh, I had to make sure my wires weren't getting crossed there, but, you know, I enjoyed this, not four collaborations I've done. I want to continue to do them. I think they're great. To me, a great story's a great story.

It doesn't have to be my story. You know, it's just great stories are great stories. And it was a really neat project to be a part of. And I'm just really gratified by the reset. We know we made the New York Times bestseller list, which is, which Rex can now add that to his resume. So it's been very cool. You can check out SethDavis.substack.com

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bonus bets expire seven days after receipt. See terms at sportsbook.fanDuel.com. He is the starting quarterback coming from the Oregon Ducks. He is also getting ready for the NFL draft. It is Bo Nix. What's up? Hey, how are you doing? Thanks for having me.

This process is stressful because there's the huge unknown, right? But when I was younger and I granted this isn't as cool as entering the NFL, but even though it was unknown There was a little excitement because it was the unknown So what's that like the uncertainty of what's next for you in your career? You know, I believe that ultimately the Lord, you know has that plan for our lives in general So it's usually not in our in our hands and it's always you know up to somebody else But I do think within this process,

that's been the biggest difference is that, eventually I'm gonna be somewhere that was picked for me, but I think it takes some of the pressure off of making the perfect decision and you just get to go with whoever picks you. What's been the best part? Honestly, I think it's been being able to, you know, go back to, you know, basic fundamentals and get back to you and get

back to focusing on what I can do for for Bo to get Bo better. And this is a strange time because it's one of the only times I haven't been on a team in a while and so I'm kind of on my own. And so I have to really focus on myself and really dive into those things that can get myself better for the season. And that's been the best because I've been able to find areas of improvement. I've been able to really focus on myself over and over and over to get those things right. Let's go back to Auburn Bonix. How different is that guy compared to the guy at Oregon? Well, same guy, same toughness, same competitiveness, same, I haven't necessarily

developed that much physically either. Same guy, I just think he had less opportunity and less freedom at Auburn. It was just not as flexible as what I was able to be when I got at Oregon and really use my strengths and go out there and perform at a high level. But at the same time, when we were able to do that, we had really good success. I think sometimes it's forgotten that at Auburn we had some really good seasons, but I think overall that is just something that is in the back of people's minds. But fortunately there's always something next and something else to go out there and do. And thank goodness that Auburn, however people think, whatever opinions they have of Auburn,

it doesn't define who I am. Trey Lockerbie Yeah. And this is me really trying to figure out because there was the irony of you beating Oregon when you were at Auburn and then the three years there, then you're in the portal. And I think for a while, the portal was something that we looked down on. We're like, all right, what went wrong with that guy? And now I think it turns into either something went wrong or it's this great opportunity for you. But is there any part of you that thinks back to what you were like and who you were as a quarterback?

Yeah, that's the ultimate reason why I did it. I was thinking about what was best for me and my decisions and my development. If I wanted to get to where I wanted to go, similar to where I am now, if I want to get to this point or further, I had to look in the mirror and make tough decisions. And ultimately it was me not being at Auburn. And that was tough to think about

because I had always wanted to be at Auburn. That's where I wanted to have success. That's where I wanted to have the really high highs and have the chance to go out there and succeed for the university. But at the end of the day, I had to make a decision for myself and then I was fortunate enough to have the opportunity to be able to choose Oregon. And it's such a special place, special program. Couldn't have picked a better place to go and finish school, but I think it all worked out how it was supposed to work out.

Were you ever close to going somewhere else other than Eugene? I wasn't. You know, it was very a peaceful decision when I was coming out. You know, Coach Dillingham, who was my offensive coordinator my freshman year, Coach Lanning gave him the OC job. And so they got it at the same time when they were coming out here. And it was just very fitting. It was just almost everything kind of fell into place

out here at Oregon. And the only question that I kept asking myself is like, is the distance that big of a deal you know are you gonna not go to a place so special like Oregon just because it's you know a couple hour plane ride away so once I got over the distance and got over how far it was from home and that my family maybe wouldn't be able to see every game and it was a it was a simple decision and there really wasn't a close second. Okay. What's the biggest difference being a starter in an SEC school versus

being a starter out West? Well, that, that, that's a great question. I've been asked that a lot. Um, I would say the difference is the, uh, how do I put this? Like the, in a sense, the hostility and maybe the unhealthy pressure that is added to 18 to 22 year olds by outside noise and fans. It's almost like an unhealthy obsession in the South. We've made it that way.

I mean, I was that way growing up. I thought it was life or death football. And you move out here and you play the game as hard as you can and you got great passion for the game. And it's just a little bit more laid back in a way. And it's a lot more like, we're proud of the person, the person you are out there on the field. And if you give a great effort and if you try really hard and obviously we're out there on the field. And like, if you give a great effort and if you try really hard and, you know, obviously we're out there to win.

Nobody goes out there to lose and look bad in front of a bunch of people. And so I think that when, you know, if only people knew that and understood that, then I think it'd be, football would be a better, healthier place. But I think that's the difference, quite frankly, is what is put into college football in the South.

And then, you know, how out here, football's just a game and, you know, we find the joy in it. That's such a great answer because there are people whose mood is completely dictated by their teams. And look, sometimes I miss it a little bit. But for you, it's getting to move somewhere else where it doesn't mean they don't have the same level of dedication as a player for you or whatever,

but it's just living in an atmosphere that process the wins and losses different. Was it different just to walk around Auburn's campus versus Oregon's campus as the starter? Yes and no, but honestly, so, so when I first moved and it's different backstories, you know, like when I moved out to Eugene, nobody really knew who, who I was. It wasn't like I was recruited for two years. I mean,

I just got in the portal signed within two weeks or, you know, and it wasn't like there was a huge following and a fan base. Nobody knew who Bo was when I moved out here besides, oh, you're the guy that, that, you know, beat us your freshman year. And yeah, unfortunately, but now I'm, I'm a party also, so we can, you know, let that clear. But at Auburn, my dad played there and, you know, I was from the South. I was an Auburn fan. So everybody was a little bit more aware of who I was. But when, you know, after last season and when it was going into this year

and, you know, being around this year, it was a little bit more familiar territory with fans and everybody. And, you know, I'm not gonna say it was, you know, ever the same because still, you know, what you develop and build, you know, for so long at Auburn and, you know, I've been going to games for so long.

Like I think there's just naturally going to be more people that are familiar with, with me around there. Um, but I would say, you know, it's, uh, it's very close, um, you know, here now. This past season, the numbers look fake. How was that season like statistically possible? All right. So how did it all come together for you in 23? That's a great question.

I think from a standpoint of making the game easier, consolidating everything and making it simpler to understand and making my reads cleaner and understanding each play, I've processed at a very high level this year. Not saying I didn't process the same the past few years, but I just almost knew what I was processing this time and I was able to simplify it and not worried about what the whole defense is doing, but just maybe pick out one player

and then he tells you where to go with the football. And I knew that in the past, but didn't necessarily know how to like, you know, hone in on, you know, that exact, you know, topic. It's a little bit complicated to explain, but it makes sense in my head because I've been able to see it as my progression has gone. And so my experience has been able to really, you know,

add to the processing skills. And I think ultimately this year when I was able to sit down and watch video, I was able to compartmentalize everything and put everything in different boxes. And so first and second down would be different. Third down would be different. Red zone would be different. Street yardage, special situations. I'd be able to put those in buckets different. Street yardage, special situations. I'd be able

to put those in buckets and now they're different in my head. So when I get there and I get inside the 10, I know if it's third down, this guy's going to probably bring zero. That's his third down defense in the red zone. So sure enough, we played cow, it was either going to be straight zone and they were going to drop out and play coverage or they were going to bring zero and they brought zero to us twice. And we scored two touchdowns. So understanding that going into the game was a little bit more, you know, my speed and that's how, you know, I understood it. And Coach Salkin and Coach Stein, we spent so much time throughout the week, game planning and preparing for these moments and these situations to where when I went out there on Saturday and we're running, you know, a special play we schemed up

and they give us a look that we don't like. I knew we don't like it because I was in the Tuesday meeting that we talked about not liking it, you know, for and why we didn't like it. So I was able to process that and get us into a different play and we saved it for the right time and then we hit come back, get a big play on it because we got got it versus what we wanted. And when you're able to do that on the field while your coaches are on the sideline scheming things up trying to put you in the best situation, you know, you two working together is going to be, you know, very hard to stop. Coach Stein always just put us in the right spots

to go out there and succeed. And if something bad happened, if something wasn't there, then I had free reign to get us out of the play or check something that was better. And it was all because we had talked about it already. It wasn't like I was out there just playing mad and calling whatever I wanted. It was because we had schemed this up.

Like this was one of our best plays against sand pressure. So if we got a different play and we get sand pressure then I was able to get to that certain play that was better and then coach Lanning gave us I mean all the ability to do it all so he wanted us to to play with that efficiency and he wanted me to have that much control and honestly that's that's what made us an elite offense is because I was able to go out there and play at a high level and then our guys around me, they understood why we were doing it. They started making calls themselves and they started communicating different and we were just

all on the same page when it got to Saturday. There was very few times to where we either didn't know what we were doing or wasn't expecting something. We just were very good at the preparing process, the preparation process, and I think it showed when we went out there and we played very efficiently, you know, as a whole offense. For this job, I watch all day Saturday and obviously I watch a lot on Sunday with the NFL, but when you watch an NFL offense, how do you see the similarities? What are the comparisons like as you get ready to play the position in the NFL? Well, there's not a lot that's entirely different,

mostly because the game has gone to the same place and mostly everybody's a, you know, a pro style spread, you know, that kind of system that's very multiple. I think the days of being one-dimensional, like only this, only that, those are kind of over because of the intelligence of the players. But any intelligence of the coaches, the coaches have been in so many systems now where they are able to kind of pick and choose what they like out of everything and then

put it together an offense that succeeds. The main difference I'd say is just the communication of how you interpret the play. So in college you use more signals and more variations of getting the play in and then when you get into the league you have the headphone and that's new because ultimately until this year you weren't in college. They finally passed the rule in college to where you can use it but up until this year you didn't have any communication so you never heard what the coach was talking about. So I think that's going to be different. Probably the biggest difference just within the two levels but I think ultimately when you figure out you know okay it's just going from signals to audio.

When I hear it, understand it, boom, can get us into the right play. I think the scheme and the X's and O's part is very similar. It just may be a little bit different of how you get to that point. But ultimately, that's what I'm excited about, honestly, is to see the transition between defenses from college to the pros. You hear that, oh, it's a lot different, it's faster, but is it faster or do we just speed it up in our minds? Because they're out there playing at a fast level, but how much faster are they actually

playing or do they just play it a little bit better? So that's the things that I'm excited to see when I get to the league because of all that's what you hear about. So until you kind of see it for yourself in person and, um, you know, you watch a video of the league and you watch all this kind of stuff and you're like, Oh yeah, they're in cover three right here. But how like quickly can you process that when you're behind center, you know, at an NFL team?

I imagine you've gone through the whiteboard process with meeting with some of the teams. Yeah, yeah, plenty. Did anyone really try to mess you up? No, not necessarily. I was fortunate it went through without, you know, the very stern questions that I've heard, you know, some stories about. But ultimately ultimately they just want you to get up there and see what you know see what you can retain see how you react to okay if you don't know it you know how does he react and and what does he do and I think honestly they just want you to tell like they they want us to tell them

like I don't know I forgot what we called this but this is what we were doing and explain it and if you forgot, you forgot, but at least you know what it is and ultimately during the season you didn't forget it because that's what you ran and you executed the play. So they know you can remember the play. They just want to see how you respond sometimes to quick adversity and like how is he going to react when he gets flustered and so you just got to be yourself and you know if you mess up, you mess up.

If you forget something, you forget something. And if you know something, then explain it at a high level. So that's been a fun process, the whiteboard process. Are you competitive at all with the other quarterbacks in your class? So look, let's look at it this way. Everybody's got Caleb number one to the Bears. So it doesn't seem like you're gonna get ahead of him.

But are you still competitive where you don't wanna go behind certain guys? Well, I'm competitive, but you know, at what point do you just tell yourself that no matter what I do anyway, competitively, that's not gonna change. You know, what I've shown already on film, if I can't do more than that,

then it's not gonna put me higher than anybody anyway. So there's not much that I can do from a competitive standpoint that's going to get me drafted any higher than these guys. But what I am going to be able to do and what I can control is how hard I work now to where when we play a season in the NFL, now know, now who's playing at the top of their game, who's playing efficiently, who's playing better. That's what you can see. That's what does translate.

So there's nothing that I can do right now to be drafted higher than another person. You know, that's already been done. They've already honestly made their decisions. They, I mean, this stuff is a lot deeper than just going out there and playing football. But I do think once you start playing football, that's when, you know, the competition really sets in and that's when you can excel. And if you want to be better than somebody, then you just outwork them or you outperform them or you do something,

you know, to gain an edge over them. And that's what makes the game so special is because you have to play the game. You have to go out there and play the game over and over. And you got to do it at a high level or you're not gonna have a job for very long. So that's what I'm excited about is just getting to the level, getting on a team and being able to compete with my team against other teams.

So basically what I take from that is you're not worried except you wanna go ahead and PENIX. No, I'm kidding. Michael, from playing him over and over, he has deserved any draft spot that he receives because that dude can play football and I respect him a lot. I've been able to see him live in action three times

and all three times he has answered the bell and he does what he needs to do to go out there and win the game. And I have enjoyed getting to know him through the process. He's a great dude. I respect him a lot. And he's been through a lot of adversity to get to where he's at now.

Yeah, look, I mean, I like him a lot. And I don't want you to think that I'm actually messing with you and trying to get the clip. But I do have to admit, I still can't believe you guys lost the rematch. I can't either. But I'm not here to bring up bad memories,

but it's probably too late. Okay, let's end on this. Was there ever a moment for you when you're at Auburn, it's not going to the standard that you probably had for yourself or others around you, you're in the portal, you're the new guy, was there ever a point where you're thinking like, maybe this isn't going to happen, maybe I'm not going to be an NFL quarterback. Oh yeah. I, I was believing that the whole time. Um, you know, it was early in high school to where you figure out, you know, man,

you know, I can, I can play college football. Like, like that's, you know, actually becoming a little bit of a possibility. And I believe once you start playing, you know, in a college game, and once you start playing well, then there's a chance that you could play in the league. So there was always a belief in my head that I was going to be able to play at the biggest level, but also that didn't necessarily allow me to become complacent either. So I was always in a know, in a stage of like working and growing and getting better. Because like, even if I make it to the next level,

you know, how good am I going to be, you know, there? So I was always trying to get better with myself and, and trying to compete against myself and grow and be the best person that I can possibly be. And then when I goes out there, you know, on game days, competing against the other team and be better than they are. So, you know, I always believed in that. And then there was times, you know, definitely throughout the process where, you know, you're just getting beat down and you just start to question, you know, is it me? Like, and maybe I should, you know, reevaluate it. But I think ultimately that's lies from Satan and trying to get you out of your process and trying to get you... If you believe something, if you believe the Lord has a plan for your life, then ultimately there's nobody that can take that away from you. If you're supposed to be in that situation, then he's going to put you there.

It's ultimately up to you to go out there and finish the job. It's up to you to go out there and work hard and maintain that goal. But I do think that there was some times that I got in my own head and was thinking too much. And then it always just got back to own head and was thinking too much and then it always just got back to the field and you got there and you play good and everything's fine again. So that's been a very unique, you know, situation that's played out because I've, you know, obviously I'm in my thoughts a lot and think about it a lot. You know, it's been a lot of it's been, you know, five years and you know, there's a lot that goes into it.

And, you know, but I always believed that I could do it. I always thought that eventually I'd make it to this point. Just didn't know necessarily how, you know, three years ago, I was like, you know, when I was transferring, I was like, I could just try to go to the league now and see what happens, but ultimately it would not have been the same situation as now. I think that's also kind of crazy

because I'm the same person then and now. I've changed a little bit, developed a little bit, but that's what's crazy is how just a few years can change your life that much. And what you got there and do with your team can change that much. When ultimately there wasn't anything that I did that reinvented the will. You know, I definitely just went out there and played, you know, what I was capable of playing

and things work out, you know, for the best. And I think that's what in my mind is just, you know, it blows me away because then you think about all the guys that maybe didn't have the same situation and they could have been first or second round guys and all of a sudden they got in a bad situation and maybe even went undrafted or late rounds and never just developed. So I think it's all about the situation you're in and you know, how, how, uh, well you can take advantage of it. Well, yeah, right. I mean, I know it was only a couple of years ago, but there

were two really good years. So Bo, congrats on coming full circle, great college career, and an unbelievable last season there with the Ducks. So looking forward to see where this all shakes out in a month. All right. Thanks. Of course. I appreciate it a lot.

Thank you. The Alliance rolls up our sleeves for this week. Um, I want to go with Dallas at Sacramento. Sacramento has had the toughest schedule. Dallas, the lighter number of games in the last week. This is, I believe five and seven for Sacramento, both coming off a back to back slightly tougher challenge. You're Dallas having to play at Utah. And that game was a game until the fourth quarter when they took over in Sacramento, um, a bit easier.

Contest last night at home. So schedule wise depends on how you feel about the games you're traveling or the actual game, but it's a little bit of a challenge. quarter when they took over in Sacramento, a bit easier contest last night at home. So schedule wise depends on how you feel about the games you're traveling or the actual opponents here with this, because Dallas has played less time, but I'm going to go with Sacramento moneyline first half. I'm going to go first half moneyline Sacramento. And then because everybody's on these over things, like there's a same game parlay for this one that I just saw right now, and this one's five legs.

It's plus 1223. It's over, over, over, over, over, over. So let's go the other way boys. Let's start thinking about unders can be under eight and a half assists for sub bonus, he's average five and two games. Sacramento leads the season series two. Oh, Kyrie did miss one game. So it's just being home, even though not as well rested and trying to think about

some unders here, because I think the overs, everybody bets the overs on these props and I think they're, they're a little jacked up, man. All right. I like a lot. I've got, I've got, uh, our old friend, Daniel Gafford. You guys said some nice words about him a couple of weeks ago. Uh, I've got him to friend Daniel Gafford. You guys said some nice words about him a couple weeks ago I've got him to score 10 or more points And you when you Google Daniel Gafford

And you see his most recent games you have to scroll down before you get to a game where he doesn't score at least Ten or eleven points. So I think we're using that sound logic. We are gonna go Daniel Gafford ten or more points today Using that sound logic, we are going to go Daniel Gafford 10 or more points today. All right. So because both of those, I mean Ryan's bets are both around even money. Gafford, I think is what minus 170 or so. So we're pretty up there already. I'm going to play this conservative because again, we want to win, we're trying to win this bet and I'm not going to take any crazy chances if we're already high up there, but

I'm going to give you another over after Ryan just went on his, let's take some others. A rant of sorts. But I'm going to go deer and Fox 20 or 20 plus points. He's done it basically in, you know, he I think eight straight games or so he scored 20. He also has 34 and 30 against the Mavs this year. I think it'll be a high scoring game. I think he he's another guy that I think gets up for these for these spots. So you know, hopefully DeMontes isn't passing the ball

to him, but I think he's gonna score at least 20 points. So that, so if we do King's first half money line, Sabonis under eight and a half assists, Gafford 10 plus points, and De'Aaron Fox 20 plus points, that's plus 522. That's a good payout. You are welcome. Okay, plus 522, big payout.

Gonna get back on the winning side. Good luck. You want details? Fine. I drive a Ferrari, 355 Cabriolet. What's up? I have a ridiculous house in the South Fork. I have every toy you can possibly imagine. And best of all kids, I am liquid. So now you know what's possible. Let me tell you what's required. Kyle, were you a Huberman guy? Or are you even more so now? What are you talking about?

The guy, the lab guy. Yeah, but what's going on with it? Did he do some scandal? No, I mean, apparently it sounds like somebody interviewed his exes, which I can't fathom is like, yeah, I'm gonna be right down the middle on this. You know, especially if the guy becomes more awesome and you're in the rear view mirror, I'm trying to put this whole town in my rear view. So, uh, it just, I don't know, 48 content jacked.

Are we in the crosshairs is what I'm asking you. I sure hope not, but I think if we are, I'm, I'd be last on the list. So is what I'm asking you. I sure hope not. But I think if we are, I'm I'd be last on the list. So that's good news for me. I can't wait until you're jacked. It's going to be amazing. Do you ever think you're going to be jacked? I don't know.

I need to need it in the market for a good gym buddy. But I know like I know the times don't work out and stuff. But here we go. It doesn't know it doesn't happen. It's not only you. It could be anyone. You're right. But yeah, I know the times don't work out and stuff, but it doesn't, no, it doesn't happen. It's not only you, it could be anyone. You're right. But yeah, I just do these things that cares about me, supports me and stuff like that.

So I don't know, we'll figure it out. Like Saruti, you know, this is a fascinating thing with younger dudes and you don't even have to be that young, but to have that moment where you're like, you know what? I'm never gonna do is this. Like I'm never going to do this from this move forward. And for some it's just, I'll never be jacked. A lot of people.

I, I probably, I think at 15, I had that realization and I was cool with it. You know, I'm just saying, I'm never going to be big because I remember like lifting weights in high school playing football and you know, I wasn't on creatine, I wasn't on, I wasn't doing protein. I was kind of all natural street. Yeah. All natural state. And you know what?

Like some would say I looked like an 11 year old playing high school football. Uh, Stanford Steve has posted that picture before. It's not great. Feel like I blossom. I love it here, but I, I just knew that I was never going to be a jacked guy. I was always going to kind of be skinny guy and now I'm kind of skinny fat guy. So that's just where we are. 65 solo tackle senior year.

You put the pads on, you were that small and slight and frail and you still put the pads on through your. I was a great, like, I was a great seven on seven player. You take the lines away. Your boy was picking passes off left and right, but as soon as I had hit somebody, things got a little bit weird. But I want you guys to do that. Like the to-do list of I, I'm pretty sure I'm never going to do this.

Like I could say I'm probably never going to sail a boat across the Atlantic solo, but I'm closer to it than a lot of people. True. So I can't entirely rule it out. Pretty big difference between boating and sailing though, right? Big difference, you know

That's like it's likely I'm yeah, I'm not going to but I wouldn't I'm not convinced yet that I'll definitely not do it I'm trying to think of what I would what I've given up on in life. I Don't even know if it's giving but it's just like it could be an instrument like Kyle Are you pretty sure you're never gonna play the keyboards? Oh, I couldn't say that. I mean I walk past we don't know that I think saxophone is a little gross anything with reads. Yeah, I was a clarinet guy back in the day I look back on it's terrible. Did you guys go through a guitar? I try to teach myself guitar and keyboard in college and was like no lessons I'm just gonna like and that was like kind of YouTube was around but it wasn't like what it is now

You can kind of teach yourself stuff. I think our guy Steve would be perfect. No. Yeah that guy's At the parties as an all-timer it's for the better Some people can't believe you don't play the guitar. My douchebag level would have been off the freaking charts if I didn't figure that out. No, but I taught myself how to play like three Coldplay songs on the keyboard and I was like, I'm the man. And then I just never, never did it again. And then I bought an amp and a guitar.

Both hands or were you just playing? No, it was a very simple kind of one hand situation. Yeah, right. Dude, if I, back then I would have nailed the interstellar theme though. I would have had that down by now. Um, but then I bought an amp and a guitar and I tried to myself how to play guitar, but the biggest holdup was I didn't know how to tune the guitar. And I didn't really like, I didn't know like once it was out of tune, I was like, damn, like I don't want to bring it to a guy and feel like a huge loser. So that thing, you know, that was probably

in my closet for a good decade and you know, now it doesn't work. Guys who come by, I'm like, you play that and be like, I gotta get a tune. Yeah, no, just, yeah. You couldn't, you couldn't play a tuning video on YouTube. I don't know. I, yeah, I guess I could have. It was early YouTube then though. And things weren't as easy as they are now. I love how his reservation was.

I didn't want to bring it to a professional because he would think I didn't know how to tune it. So I just never did anything. I don't want to bring it to a professional because he would think I didn't know how to tune it So I just never did anything I don't want him to sucker me in to get a lesson. I don't you know, I wasn't one of the sucker It's trying to learn an instrument in college I don't even I don't even know like how anybody would do that like hobbies in college for most people It's just your hobby is not doing anything your hobby is being unproductive actually, I Traded so I didn't even buy that guitar and amp I traded it with a with a buddy

I got the guitar in the amp for a copy of MLB 2k7 So, you know, I'm brand new that thing was like 60 bucks. So I wasn't that much in the hole financially That's a real trade right there That's crazy. Yeah, well, it depends on the guitar, but it sounds like you're up. I think you're up on that one Okay. Yeah, we're gonna workshop that maybe the list of The list of things you're it has to be definitive. I'm never going to do this so I

Mean there could you get weird with it, but that's not what we want to do. All right. Let's read some emails. My boss said I said I should take a pay cut. Should I quit? Hi guys. Long time. First time five nine one 60 best player comp is Olympic steeple chase runner who doesn't like water jumping or wearing tank tops.

That said, I'm not bad at cornhole after two bud lights. So, all right. Not the most athletic guy. We work in a PR communications at a medium-sized agency along the West Coast. I joined in 2020 to help get relief to renters, farmers, small businesses, and other people who were totally screwed by the pandemic. I stayed after the pandemic ended in 2022 to help build a new city agency that's dedicated to helping families and small businesses. The work is rewarding. I like my work team. I've made my peace with earning less money than I could as a consultant,

which was my previous work for context. I make about $115,000 a year. I took a 35% pay cut when I took the job in 2020, but this job has an amazing work life balance. We get 21 vacation days, 21 sick days. 21 sick days. Come on. You got to be chronically ill to need 21 sick days.

Well, for them to offer them up, but okay. This is always the debate on like the personal day sick day thing. Do you take them? I don't, I've never taken a sick day. It's been like eight years. I've never taken one. So I don't know. I wouldn't even know what a personal day is.

Like a match and being like, Hey, you know what? I don't really feel like recapping like week 11. I'm just going to fucking kick it at the movies. I thought personally it was vacation. I thought you had to schedule those. I didn't think you could wake up and just be like, no, definitely not. Well, some people treat them that way. Yeah.

ESPN had a thing. If you weren't on the air where you could milk the fuck out of it, because it was like, wait, this person's never here. And they were like, Oh, well, that person's on personal days now. I'm like, well, this person's never here. And they were like, oh, well, that person's on personal days now. Like, well, how do you know ahead of time? Like I'm probably gonna be pretty fucking bummed out next October, second week.

It's just a heads up. Yeah. Let's go ahead and mark this down now. All the Fridays really. Yeah, middle, Kanell did that. Kanell took off 13 Fridays in a row at some point. Holy shit. Oh, I know.

It was like the all time, like I felt bad as a co-host. That's so Danny too. It's incredible. I love him, but. But well, look, when you're starting a radio show, the bad thing to do is then not be there all the time. So I had had my stretch, you know, cause you learn that the hard way with the Van Pelt lesson.

But then, I mean, I felt even bad like being the cohost with Danny, but I call him and was like, dude, what the fuck? I was like, we have feelings on all the time now because I'm off in this six week stretch. And he's like, dude, I don't know what to tell you. And I was like, you haven't been on on a Friday for like three months. He was like, yeah, I don't know. It's weird.

He was doing like, uh, yeah, I can't figure it out either. Get somebody on that. There was somebody, I do remember at ESPN, back to your point though, there was somebody who you could almost set your watch to them taking the day off that they came back from vacation on. So like, oh, hey, yeah, actually, I'm just taking a personal day.

So it's like, you extend your vacation by one day. And the fact that you can just do that, and there's really not much you can do because it's, you know, those are days that you could use. So it's like, all your vacation by one day. And the fact that you can just do that and there's really not much you can do because it's, you know, those are days that you could use. So it's like, yeah, they're your day. Yeah. Right. But it's just such an, and especially in a job, it's one thing if you're in a job where you can just kind of pick up your own work the next day, but when somebody else has to then cover for you and cover your shift,

you should have some shame. No end, man. Yeah, you should have a good amount of shame with that. Yeah. You know, what's funny is that we were talking about the, I know exactly what happened with Canell and it was completely not his fault. I remember I'll never forget. Cause then I remember being like, Oh my God, I can't believe that's what they think this is.

And, uh, it's not really his fault. It just, I think for the kids out there. Yeah, I'm not going to get too into it, but he, it worked out for him really well. But my point is, is that, uh, if you're, if you're a kid one day and you grow up to be a big time radio guy, you have to, especially in the beginning of a radio show, like everybody should be on as much as you possibly can. Like the first few years, like you should be on it all the time, um, because you're trying to build an audience.

Anyway, so that was about the longest detour we've taken on one of these in a while. So 21 vacation days, 21 sick days, 12 paid holidays each year. Jesus. Uh, very little after hours email traffic. Hallelujah. I'm not going to be able to make that much money. I'm not going to be able to make that much money. I'm not going to be able to make that much money. I'm not going to be able to make that much money. I'm not going to be able to make that much money.

I'm not going to be able to make that much money. I'm not going to be able to make that much money. I'm not going to be able to make that much money. I'm not going to be able to make that much money. I'm not going to be able to make that much money. I'm not going to be able to make that much money. I'm not going to be able to make that much money. intention is to reduce my pay by 20% and knock me back two levels. Ouch. Oh. On the seniority level. I'm told this is justified because I make more than all, but five other people in my position in city government and they've all been on

their jobs for at least 15 years. I've been here three and a half years, but I have 20 years of high level experience. My boss straight up told me this is stupid and she's fought to keep me at my current level, but it is what it is I know what I have to do tell my manager that if her boss downgrades my pay and seniority level I will put in my two weeks in resign What would you guys do if after three and a half years? It's a productive work and a team that you enjoy working with your boss told you that you have to take a big ass pay cut

All right. Let's examine it from both sides as we normally do. Do you take all those days? both sides as we normally do. Do you take all those days? Okay. Because if you love the work life balance and there's some people listening to be like, Hey, they're your days. And trust me, there are plenty of times now when I look back on it, like when you did the absolute, like most you could do and you said yes to everything, like you could have said no a bunch more times and nothing would have really ever changed.

That wasn't my mindset, right? It felt like I had to prove myself. would have really ever change. That wasn't my mindset, right? It felt like I had to prove myself. So if this is a job where you're working for a city agency, I think sometimes these jobs, I don't know if this is like a publicly funded thing. Like, Hey man, this is awesome. And I get all this time off.

So I would ask you if you're using way more time off than everybody else and you may have put, you may be incredibly productive. You may have the background, um, or are you putting yourself in a situation where they're going to mess with you because you're using all these days? I have no idea. I'm just throwing it out there. I feel like you wouldn't have mentioned the days at all if he wasn't using them. Like I wouldn't, I feel like he wouldn't have mentioned it at all. Like who gives a shit if you're not using them. It's not even really anything worth saying. So I think you're right there.

I think you sniffed out a little bit of day usage for sure. Yeah. I mean, it's just, it's just tough. If you're in a field where you're like, man, I bust my ass, but I, you know, I've got like five months to travel. Like wait, yeah. And for some projects you could argue, we have a busy season. We have a non busy season and that's just kind of how it works.

And when I'm working, I'm going crazy. This does not sound like a seasonal gig. I think, I think we're all on the same page with that one. So it may be something where, as you said, your manager has your back. That could also be bullshit. That could be her move. That could be here. Say, Hey, I've been fighting this like crazy for you.

And she's the one in the meeting being like, yeah, let's be good off. This guy pay cut like a pay cut. If you're kicking ass doesn't happen very often. It just doesn't. It's so hard to find like the right person. Doesn't happen very often. It just doesn't. It's so hard to find like the right person. So if they offered you this kind of pay cut and you think you're

out working all these other people and they're knocking you down and you've already admitted that you took a pay cut to go to kind of the public side of this now, which is, I think I understand this because you said you could have made way more as a consultant, like you got to figure out what's more important to you. Is the work life balance the most important thing? Cause you mentioned it. Don't work weekends, don't work nights, not a lot of emails. could have made way more as a consultant. Like you gotta figure out what's more important to you. Is the work-life balance the most important thing? Because you mentioned it. Don't work weekends, don't work nights,

not a lot of emails, all the days. So you may have the job that is best suited to you, but you also could be doing it at a level, like how much time do you take off in comparison to everybody else? Because if you're taking way more, and you may be hearing us talk about this being like, no, you guys are wrong. You're wrong.

You're wrong. And I'm, I'm admitting, I don't have enough information here, but I've just seen too many times where there are people who kind of do what they're supposed to do. There's the people that go above me on. And then there's people that find a way to rig the system for themselves as much as they possibly can. And then when it doesn't work out, they're like, what the fuck? Like, well, you know, eventually it may add, and I'm not even saying

that that applies to you, but I'm just pointing out that you seem to like the freedom that you have. But if they come back and you think, and you were honest with yourself and everyone else like, okay, just because I haven't, I haven't been here as long, I have to take a two level demotion with a pay cut that drops you 20%. So you've got to ask yourself this. Did you put yourself in this situation? Okay.

Maybe a little bit easier to deal with it as opposed to if you didn't put yourself in this situation, you think it's bullshit and that they're hooking up people that have been with this agency a lot longer, and then you go, Hey, what's the timeline for me to get back up to levels of security and back to the 20% you're taking away from me? And if you don't like that answer, then your other answer is going to be, okay, well, are you ready to go back into consulting to make up all that money and sacrifice what sounds like a schedule that you definitely think is a priority?

So I don't have an answer other than playing out as many scenarios as I can think of. Yeah, I'm a, I'm a fence sitter in certain situations, especially like this one being like kind of my first gig out of college. And like, I don't think I would just, I wouldn't threaten to throw in my two weeks. I don't think I might look around and see what else there is for me. Like I lived in the armpit of Hollywood for three years and every, I'm still like, I was a West Hollywood, now I'm in Hollywood. It's pretty bad. It's terrible.

It's objectively terrible. And I just move in, the idea of moving sucks to me so much. Like, you know, you gotta throw, you gotta get together like five, six grand, then you've gotta, you know, go apartment hunting and you gotta set aside time to do it. It's easier to just not. So I think in that situation, I might be like, damn, that sucks. Like, damn, they lit the dumpster on fire again. Well, what can you do? So I think, I think me, like me saying like, you should totally go and,

and, you know, play the, play the strong arm them and say like, well, I'm fucking out of here. Even though that's what I don't think I would do it. I could just tell you that right now. I think you definitely should not put your two weeks in right away. There is, here's the thing though. Is there a chance that they're doing this to you as well? Cause they're hoping that you quit. Do it after you take vacation. Yeah.

Take your 21 days in there and be like, all right guys, it's been real. Found a new opportunity to go in a different direction. Come back with a parasite. Take your 21 sick days too. I got a tapeworm in the jungle. I don't know. They can't even ask any questions. The jungle, didn't you go to, sag it off.

Puerto Rico has a small rainforest. Pretty sure you were in Sarasota. Is there a chance that they want you to leave? Like, is there a chance, I mean, that seems plausible. So like, if you're gonna quit, like I wouldn't quit if that's the case. So maybe, I don't know, ask mean, that seems plausible. So if you're gonna quit, I wouldn't quit if that's the case. So maybe, I don't know, ask around, figure it out. I would also say when you mentioned Ryan asking them

about how you can get back up to your normal level, your current level, that just sucks. I don't know that I wanna be in that situation. I'd just rather find another job. But I wouldn't quit, keep taking the money from them. You can do the kind of quiet quitting thing where you just sort of power down and like not actually do any work and you know,

find another gig. I don't know how easy or hard it would be in your field or your area to do that, but I wouldn't just put your two weeks in because you're mad because that's kind of, that might be a win for them. Yeah, it does feel like, and that's what sucks about this email is this guy

could be like really good at his job, just younger, and they're messing with him, and he's listening to us talk about it this long, being like, no, no, no, that's not the case. He also may be the guy that is taking all the... He may not be as good as everybody else, and he could be delusional listening to us saying, no, no, no, this isn't even... So we don't know any of that, but I... I think he just said the 21 days thing because he wanted us to show like how

Good he has the balance thing. I don't know that it was that he was abusing it I could be wrong, but that's how I read it. Emotions. I mean, did they happen often? I thought like you got the money like congratulations. You did it like when I was at We couldn't stop people from stealing. They wanted us to do it They were like you get like 15 of whatever you recover, but there was like a two window situation. There's like the doors outside and then like this small little like lobby and then the doors inside and they were like, you can't touch them. You can't stop them before they get out the doors and you can't stop them after they get out the door. So there was this like small window that you had to grab them in, which I was like, fucking,

I don't care. But like, I felt like my life on the line, but it was told to me is like, once they breach those other doors, like that's their stuff now. Like, you don't, you don't care. But like I thought like my life on the line, but it was told to me as like once they breach those other doors, like that's their stuff now. Like you don't, you don't get involved. So I thought like, once you get that money, like that's what you make now. Even if you suck, even if it's not right, like that's the money he makes now.

That's what I thought. So I'm, I'm like shocked to hear that 20% is huge, but I guess governments, right. It's government. So maybe the budget slash and they're like, we can, we can fire one of you or we can demote three of you. I don't know.

Maybe, but sometimes you're looking at government jobs where it's like, cool. I just get to make this forever. Uh, I always love to the go in and say, I'm actually looking for a race. I'm going to outflank your demotion with a raise request. I see your demotion. I had this awful, awful living experience when I was in New Jersey for my six months stretch bid, and I went to this, I went to this awful apartment complex and they tried to sue me after I left

by just continuing to pay me or charge me rent, but charge me a short term floating rent. Like it's such a scam. Like a hotel fee or something? It was so messed up because I was like, all right, I'm moving out. And they were like, well, you need to give us this much notice. I'm like, yeah, but I signed a six month lease that I had to pay because I didn't know how long I was going to last here. And I was right.

My deep down subconscious told me not to sign a year lease. And so I'm going to leave. And they were like, well, you didn't tell us within the window. I'm like, yeah, but that doesn't even make any sense because I signed the six month lease and you have my deposit and whatever. And they were like, okay, well, that means you're, you're still in for six more months. I'm like, it definitely doesn't.

And by the way, you couldn't, you couldn't talk to this guy in 02. I was untouchable. There's nothing. I even went back to the U-Haul truck. Right. I went back to the U-Haul truck and said, let me just get some paperwork like the blues brothers. And I left.

Like that was it. I was in the office and I was like, this makes, and I realized too, it was a lot of foreigners living in this place. It was the only and I was like, this makes, and I realized too, it was a lot of foreigners living in this place. It was the only place I could afford. So I was, they're one of the many, you know, English first language people in this complex. And I think what I realized later on is how dirty they were about all of their interaction because people were sort of helpless and you were like, well, I don't want to move. Yeah. Yeah, they're scamming the fuck out of everybody. And that was the other thing too,

is they were doing like market rent and it was almost double what I originally had. And I was like, hey, so if it's market rent, has it ever gone down? Like I'm sitting there as I'm leaving. I was like, by the way, if it's like a market fluctuating number, I was like, does it ever go down?

Ever? Oh, it's never gone down, huh? And they were like, oh, they had all these excuses. So they sent me all this paperwork and then I went back at them and was like, I actually suing you. Anyway. How the turntables.

Yeah, how the turntables. So maybe just go, God, we spent way too much time on this. All right, let's just keep it moving here. We can't say keep it moving because we've already gone so long. All right, let's just keep it moving here. We can't say keep it moving because we've already gone so long. All right, Preenup, good luck man, by the way. Six foot one, 214, 250 bench, 385 deadlift, shitty squat, was a good D3 cross-country track runner

in college for whatever it's worth. It's worth a lot to me, my man, a lot. You suited up, you played, you played for real. You played when it counts. I'm getting married in September to a wonderful woman. Been together four years. I have no doubt we'll have a long, happy marriage. That said, I work in the fire service and every other guy I know has been

divorced sometimes more than once. Tough schedule on the fire. Not for everybody. A lot of time off though in between a lot of time, not off. My parents are divorced. It was a pretty nasty one. Needless to say, I have a healthy appreciation for things going wrong with regards to nuptials.

While she doesn't find it necessary, she's on board with signing a prenup. The document would cover only my pension, secondary retirement account and investments. All of these come from my own finances and are separate from our joint bank account, house, cars, et cetera. My research tells me that a physical lawyer will cost more than either of us are willing to spend. We both found a website called HelloPrinup

that seems legit. Sounds legit, yeah. Hey, did you get that link to What'sPrinup? Links to iDivor I divorce attorney.com also they give you a 20% discount from the people that brought you a hello keep it. Keep your shit.tv. Hello pre note. All right. It seems legit only cost a few hundred dollars.

Would you guys trust something like this or legal zoom, or is it best to suck it up and hire an actual lawyer? Uh, I'm just either of you guys do a prenup. No, that's like, that's the poster child of easier said than done. I mean, and the years leading up to it, I was like, no way, no way. Are they going to get me? No way. Like bill burr's comedy bits and all that stuff. I'm like, yup, he's talking to

me and I'm not going to let it happen. And then I was like, I don't think bill burr was talking to you. He was totally talking to me and uh, I think bill burr was talking about himself. Okay. Kyle, is there something I don't know about you? No. I mean like when he was talking like his bid on marriage where he was like, is everyone's like, oh, is there something I don't know about you? No, I mean, like when he was talking, like his bit on marriage where he was like, everyone's like, oh, is this the line to lose all my shit? Oh look, the line's moving, it's a great bit. And so like, so all the people who would have bits

about marriage, I'm like, they're so right. They're not gonna catch me, this guy's smart. And then they run up to it, it's like, there's no way I'm asking her this question. There's no way I'm telling her I need a prenup. And I wish I would know. But do you need a pren-nup and I wish. I think the audience is listening right now going, do you actually need one?

Yeah. What are your, everyone who's married, uh, would want one, right? Oh, you're so good for before the month. They're only good for before. It's usually just if somebody has way more to lose than the other person. That's really it. Right. And I don't know, like I don't have one cause we're on the same level, mostly like financially. Right.

Yeah. Yeah. I could also see Saruti being like, all right, whatever. Just tell me, tell me what we have to do. Uh, yeah, I think that's how a lot of people, I don't know. I might've been good on that road, but I do feel like there's a, a, a, a part of the population that's just like, Hey, like, I don't know. I might even go down that road, but I do feel like there's a part of the population that's just like, hey, like, I don't want to screw anybody over here. Can we just amicably

separate? And, you know, that's probably what I would try to do. I did have a buddy who is in a similar line of work who also has a pension and that was a concern of his. It's not like he doesn't make a trillion dollars. His wife doesn't make a trillion dollars, but he was worried about the pension and they're not even going to get divorced. And he was talking about it with her and openly and I don't think it ended up happening. Yeah, I think that makes a lot of sense. These are said and done, it's the facts.

Yeah, no, I think, but I think I'm starting to understand the rabbit count now because if it were to ever happen to Kyle, he'd just be like, okay, well, she's up six rabbits from the jump. So that means the couch. All right, I got to- Kyle could use the rabbits. I have some things about you. Be like, all right, I'll give you the rabbits. I'll concede on the jump. So that means the couch. Alright, I got some Kyle could use the rabbits. I'll give you the rabbits. I'll concede on the rabbit.

I got a stock plan Ryan. It's not I don't need couches and mirrors here. He's got a portfolio. Yeah you are. So you've got to you know what you're right. Your rights are in action. You're right. K since I was 22. Are you serious? Yeah dude, that's incredible. Alright, so that's all I didn't know. I wouldn't have thought of you as a 22 year old 401k guy

No, my dad just put the fear of God in me. He was like, come on. Let's be honest You need to take every every option you've got here. Okay. Well, then our guys are walking retirement fun You're gonna be 50 on the beach. Yeah, I love it Alright, so that makes that makes a little bit more sense. I look, I think that you should have one. That conversation is entirely dictated by the personality of your wife. But that's great that it's not even, that's not even his question.

He's like, can I use the cheap one? Like it's not even, that's so great that this isn't like, should I ask her? It's like, yeah, we're wondering if we should use the app that I've got on my phone to do it. I don't know what happens when you use a less expensive prenup website versus the other one, but I can't imagine legal zoom is like, is it going to be that expensive? Yeah, we did it. We did legal zoom. I imagine they're, they're decent, right? We did a couple

ads for them way back. Yeah. You could have some promo codes that are still hanging out. Just type in. Check out dual threats, see if that's still up. Check out different spellings of Ryan the entire time. It sounds like you care about it. I'm way too trusting, though, and I would just be like, can we just, if we ever decided

that we were gonna get divorced, could we just not be assholes about it? And I know that's how people get in trouble, and that's why people have prenups, but it's like, I don't know. It's's not going to happen. I'm happily married, you know, things are great. But if we ever did split up, I honestly think I could have a reasonable conversation with my wife and be like, can we just, can we just, we can figure this out, right? So maybe it's not working at all.

You two might be able to. All right. But there's a long list. Do you have a ton of assets? No, I think it's about peace of mind and the retirement stuff. And that's why I regret the gober Kyle joke because now I understand Kyle's about peace of mind and the retirement stuff. And that's why I regret the Dober, Kyle joke, because now I understand Kyle's portfolio a little bit better. This guy, you know, I love it. That raises Kyle's stock is through the roof. You're a 52 week high in my book today.

I didn't know that you were thinking about this stuff that far out. So I'm proud of you. And now it makes sense because you have an asset that you want to protect, but you didn't, because you were afraid of arguing with your wife. But to Saruti's point, the whole let's be reasonable about it. Yeah, everybody's reasonable. And so they get the first letter from the spouse's lawyer that starts writing up

all sorts of bullshit that didn't happen. And you're like, I don't even know who this person is anymore. And then all of a sudden the custody battle ends up becoming you would hope about the kid. But unfortunately, a lot of time, the custody battle becomes the fucking alimony payment. Right? I'll start with the house.

Yeah. No, it becomes like, oh, well yeah, but I want full custody or I want this or I want that. And you're like, is it because you don't want me to see my kid or is it because you and your lawyer want that fucking number to be higher? And unfortunately, I think I have way too much experience with that despite not being divorced myself. All right.

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