The Scathing Atheist - 264: Strobel Warming Edition

Episode Date: March 8, 2018

In this week’s episode, Kentucky vies for that “Toddlers and Tiaras”, “Say Yes to the Dress” crossover we’ve all been waiting for, Roy Moore tries to crowdsource money to silence a victim at GoFundMeToo, and we learn that the Vatican has more gay dudes than Eli’s browser history. To make a per episode donation at Patreon.com, click here: http://www.patreon.com/ScathingAtheist To buy our book, click there: http://www.amazon.com/Diatribes-Godless-Misanthrope-Scathing-Presents-ebook/dp/B00J53FZFI/ref=sr11?ie=UTF8&qid=1396141562&sr=8-1 To check out our sister show, The Skepticrat, click here: https://audioboom.com/channel/the-skepticrat To check out our sister show’s hot friend, God Awful Movies, click here: https://audioboom.com/channel/god-awful-movies To check out out half-sister show, Citation Needed, click here: http://citationpod.com/ Guest Links: To sign the petition to not give Billy Graham a holiday, click here: https://www.change.org/p/donald-trump-billy-graham-counter-petition-no-holiday?recruiter=400389616&utm For more about the American Atheist convention in Oklahoma City, click here: https://www.atheists.org/convention2018/ Headlines: Thousands sign Petition for Billy Graham holiday: http://www.charlotteobserver.com/news/local/article203498759.html Kentucky bill to outlaw child marriage gets stalled by Christian Right group: http://www.patheos.com/blogs/friendlyatheist/2018/03/03/ky-bill-to-outlaw-child-marriage-stalled-after-conservative-groups-opposition/ Roy Moore begs for money to pay for his legal defense in child molestation case: http://www.patheos.com/blogs/friendlyatheist/2018/03/03/roy-moore-says-hes-broke-pleads-for-money-to-fight-lawsuit-from-alleged-victim/ Male escort exposes 35 priests: http://www.newsweek.com/male-escort-exposes-36-gay-priests-file-sent-vatican-containing-explicit-829968 Kansas passes anti-trans resolution that was "motivated by love": http://www.patheos.com/blogs/friendlyatheist/2018/03/05/kansas-republicans-pass-anti-transgender-resolution-motivated-by-love/ Vatican blames rise of exorcism requests on fortune tellers: http://www.patheos.com/blogs/friendlyatheist/2018/02/26/vatican-blames-fortune-tellers-for-300-increase-in-exorcism-demands-in-italy/ US Congressman says gun-owning Jewish people would've stopped the Holocaust: http://www.patheos.com/blogs/friendlyatheist/2018/03/04/gop-congressman-jews-couldve-survived-the-holocaust-if-they-had-guns/ This Week in Misogyny: Vatican magazine admits they treat nuns like crap http://www.patheos.com/blogs/friendlyatheist/2018/03/04/vatican-magazine-exposes-economic-and-social-inequality-facing-nuns/ Mississippi senate passes 15 week abortion ban: http://www.rightwingwatch.org/post/mississippi-senate-passes-15-week-abortion-ban-designed-to-launch-roe-challenge/

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I assure you that we did, in fact, evolve from filthy monkey men. It's Thursday. It's March 8th. And Roy Moore's broken more ways than one. I'm no illusions. I'm Eli Bosnick. I'm Heath Enright.

From New York, New York. And Secret Lair, Pennsylvania, this is Skating Atheist. On this week's episode, Kentucky vies for that toddlers in tiaras slash say yes to the dress crossover we've all been waiting for. Roy Moore tries to crowdsource money

to silence a victim at GoFundMe2. And we learn that the Vatican has more gay dudes than Eli's browser history. But first, the diatribe. Well, I guess it was inevitable that the Me Too movement would reach the atheist world, too. As I'm sure you've heard by now, BuzzFeed published a lengthy expose on Lawrence Krauss that details a number of serious sexual harassment and misconduct allegations against him. And yes, they're only allegations, And yes, he denies them. But they're damn credible allegations from a damn credible reporter.

Multiple women who don't know each other describe in similar behavior over a long period of time on multiple continents. Two institutions restricting his access to their facilities in response to the complaints. Witnesses who the victims told contemporaneously confirmed harassment complaints from at least one former student like basically we're a signed yearbook away from roy more levels of evidence except with krause it was adults still i'm better than roy more as along fucking ways from exculpatory so what does this mean for the atheist movement well it means we should assess this evidence with the same critical eye that we pride ourselves on when we're looking at any other set of evidence. We should see it's a goddamn mountain of fucking evidence.

And we should condemn both the behavior and the behavior. Right, because by any reasonable standard, Krauss was a leader in this movement. And I really hope I'm not being premature in saying was he was a popular speaker and author. And I've never actually met him, but I've cited his work on the show. I've talked to his events and shit quite a few times so thing one we need to stop doing all that shit but but it's more than just how we react to Krauss this is a wake-up call and we should be getting ready for more of it there's no reason to believe that the atheist and skeptical movements are any more insulated against sexual harassment than any other movement or industry or conglomeration of human

beings in fact there might be reason to believe the exact opposite. My guess is that I'm going to bury a few more heroes before this is all over. And I've got to be ready to do that. And so do you. If the same type of allegations came out about me tomorrow, I would hope you'd unsubscribe and move on to the next person. But that's the beauty of our movement. You could just move on to the next person. Because as disturbing as the allegations against krauss are assuming that we act appropriately now as a movement there's no reason for it to be a dent on us our movement doesn't have a hierarchy nobody needs to step into the vacuum that krauss leaves or anything we just need to slightly adjust some conference

schedules you know i got to thinking about this on the way home from a talk i did on sunday for the lehigh valley humanists thanks to everybody who came out, by the way. Anyway, at the end of the talk, I'm doing the whole, but what can we do phase of the presentation? And I have the obligatory slide of a cowboy trying to herd cats and I get a laugh off of it. You know, this is a complaint we all but pride ourselves on in the atheist movement. You know, sure, we have leaders in some sense of the term, but we only follow them as long as they're taking us in the direction that we want to go. And because we're all moving in slightly different directions, there's never a chance of us all falling off the same cliff.

Like, compare this to the religious equivalent, right? If we were Christians and Krauss was our spiritual leader, this would taint our entire movement, even if we did fire him afterwards and bring in a new guy. And the reason is that our whole institution is built on our claim of moral superiority. Being a Christian is supposed to make you more moral. The leaders get there by being really, really Christian. And thus, if it turns out that they're not moral, the whole precept starts falling apart. Of course, this is when they would retreat to the no true Scotsman fallacy and say, well, it turns out our leader wasn't really a Christian after all. But that's hardly convincing from the outside, since what they're then admitting is that even a well-versed Christian like themselves can't determine Christian qualities

in another person, even when that other person is lecturing them on those Christian values. Right. But in the atheist movement, we have intellectual leaders, not moral leaders. We're an intellectual movement that makes no pretense of providing superior moral behavior. I mean, we should still hold our leaders to a high moral standard, and we should condemn and abandon them when they fail to live up to it, because we may not be a moral movement, but we're also not an immoral one. The distinction, though, is that none of us looked up to Lawrence Krauss because of his moral fortitude. We looked up to him because of his intellectual capacity,

and I don't say that to exonerate him. I say it to exonerate us. For us to be in the same position as the Christian who found out their moral leader was a serial sex criminal, BuzzFeed would have had to publish an expose that showed Lawrence Cross had actually been stupid this whole time and we hadn't noticed. You know, we're not a leaderless movement. We say that from time to time. And in a sense, it's true. But there can't really be a movement if there aren't leaders. there can't really be a movement if there aren't leaders. We don't have a hierarchy of cardinals and bishops and shit, but we do have people who volunteer as curators or pundits or catalysts,

and each of us accept some of them and reject the others, but we do wind up coalescing around a few. You know, sometimes that turns out well for us, and other times we later discover that we've been following a pretty despicable human being. But if we force ourselves to rise above hero worship, if we allow ourselves to be as hero worship, if we allow ourselves to be as critical of those we admire as we are of those we detest, then this phenomenon just serves to make our movement stronger through natural selection. And as someone who's taken it upon himself to herd cats for a living, I can say that anybody who volunteers for this position should be ready to be taken to task vociferously by those they seek to lead. They should be ready to be held to a high standard, both ethically and intellectually, and they should be ready to be taken to task vociferously by those they seek to lead. They should be ready to be

held to a high standard, both ethically and intellectually, and they should be ready to be rejected if they fail to meet it. As a movement, we can only be as good as the gauntlet we send our leaders through. And anyone who seeks to be a leader in this movement should embrace that fact and be proud of it. They're talking about you, Jesus. We interrupt this broadcast and bring you a special news bulletin. Joining me for headlines tonight are the good and the bad to my ugly Heath Enright and Eli Bosnick.

Fellas, are you ready to herd some cats? Huh. Well, I do enjoy being hated a lot. Being hated. And looking at buttholes. Well, there you go. That sounds actually pretty good. Okay. For the record, I have never claimed not to be a serial harasser. So you all know what you're in for.

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double calling i love the visual on that and now back to the headlines in our lead story tonight a petition to establish a national holiday for evangelical leader and guy who totally had some jewish friends billy graham has garnered more than a,000 signatures. The petition cites Graham's appeal in both religious and secular arenas, which is true only in that some of us atheists wouldn't object too hard if you threw him in one with a lion, maybe. He's just like, is this a girl lion? No!

Oh, wait, it is. No, no, no, it's not. So if successful, the move would see graham joining martin luther king and george washington as the only three people that have their own federally recognized holiday so so we got father of the country icon of civil rights and non-violent protest and guy who made christianity nominally more popular for a decade and a half. Circle the one that doesn't belong. Right. Okay. But, but did George Washington and MLK win a gospel music award? Well, there's that. Okay. I'm calling floodgates right now.

If we let this slip through, right. A year from now, we're going to be celebrating fall. Well, Friday's a lot. All right. So let's just be clear here. Graham never did anything. Right. I mean, he's being hailed by his supporters as a major player in the civil rights movement,

but his involvement was pretty much limited to like being okay with it. And then he was decidedly anti-civil rights when gay people wanted some too. And also there's the anti-Semitism thing. Hell, being that his chief contribution to the world was turning people Christian, one could make a damn convincing argument that even letting him lie in honor in the U.S. Capitol is a violation of church-state separation. Right? I mean, I feel like the dude who converts the most Muslims isn't going to get the same honor.

But he was the greatest boxer of all time. Exactly. Sounds like a B. Hold on. I don't know. I think Trump will get a holiday for converting Muslims. Ramadan or something. But I don't think he was a boxer, was he?

We'll go back over it later. And those are only a few of the many reasons, by the way, that friend of the show, Sharon Frankel, of the Habeas Humor podcast, has started her own petition to not honor Billy Graham with his very own holiday. If you'd like to add your name for uh to her efforts you can find a link on the show notes for this episode and also on our facebook page finally the petition i've been waiting for not to do something you're right no i will and in i want to marry a child news tonight yeah a bill opposing child marriage in kentucky was

struck down this week in the most kentucky thing to happen since losing the civil war thanks in large part to a conservative christian group called and this is not made up the family foundation all right all right hey before we go any further i want to reiterate that we're not moving the production to kentucky no matter how good a deal ken offers you on his boat okay pin in that so here are the details under current kentucky law this is real 16 and 17 year old girls can get married with parental permission but girls of any age can marry as long as they're pregnant and marrying the expectant father what jesus yeah that's the law right now in 2018 just pregnant 13 year olds marrying 40 year olds totally fine jesus wow

i mean that seems hypocritical right like that fetus is a person you should have the right to opt out of all that stuff being jabbed at with like a weird old dick yeah right no consent there so the problems are pretty obvious uh to everyone except heath and luckily for us and the screaming of the lambs i got it so one of the problems is aware but luckily for us uh and the screaming of the lambs state senator julie adams proposed bill sb48 which would raise the minimum age for marriage to 17 and if a 17 year old wanted to get married they would need a judge's permission which seems kind of minor to me considering i don't know-year-olds I'd trust with a full-on driver's license, let alone a marriage license.

And here I just don't know any 17-year-old girls, Eli. Okay, braggy, braggy. Yeah, what could go wrong? Let's put this in the hands of judges in the South. Yeah, right. That's great. It's not like some creepy-ass judge is going to use this to meet slutty 17-year-olds and then almost win a seat in the USA. Right, yeah.

Relax. There's no... Right. Well, that was too far for the Family Foundation. They weren't having it. Blaming the language of the bill, this was their problem quote we're continuing to work on the language to try to address the concern the family foundation and others have raised to make sure that we're protecting the role of parents but also giving the extra set of eyes to make sure the court is reviewing petitions end quote because let's be honest if your high schooler is getting married there's one thing we know and it's you're a good parent

what i mean yeah i wouldn't want to impinge on one person's right to a different person getting married i actually that's pretty big in christianity these days i guess all right so here's the thing if kim davis marries two pregnant lesbian 13 year olds, I will let this whole thing go. Yep, that's fair. Two votes. Two votes. And in more money than sense news, it looks like the job market for homophobic, anti-Semitic child molester judges might be running dry these days, even in places where you might

expect otherwise, like Alabama. And that means Roy moore is having trouble making ends meet oh so he's asking for some handouts and uh if you listen very closely you guys hear that you hear some very sad violin music being played with sympathy for roy moore yeah sorry guys i can't tell her not to rehearse she just plays louder so uh according to a panhandling facebook post from roy moore last week he only needs about 250 000 and he should be good for a while yeah us too as it turns out patreon.com and it hasn't even been proven yet so get in there come on yeah so he wants everyone to know that uh it's not because he's living some kind of lavish

lifestyle that's not why he needs 250 grand it's because unholy forces of evil are working against him and he needs to pay for a legal team which uh includes a juice he's like also they say i can't go into forever 21 anymore unless i buy some every time y'all jesus yeah and uh just to be clear when he said unholy forces of evil are working against him he was talking about victims of molestation by him right right he needs the money because he's being taken to court by one of the many women who accused him of molesting them as kids she's an unholy evil victim of him being a molester that's what he means oh you fuck someone and then you ask everyone for money to prove that you didn't otherwise known as a jill stein oh yeah yeah did we forget when the nice fraud lady kept all our

recount money you remember that oh you remember the recount she kept that money she kept it reminder the recount she kept it or is did it go through on fire no okay no she just kept your money she kept your money okay that's fine i'll do a recount too hey pal we need about a quarter of a million dollars one two listen to me i'm starting for free all right so uh one other detail on that lawsuit against roy moore it was too late to try him for a sex crime because it's been too long right yeah no if there's any place you need a strict statute of limitations yeah that's that's important right so it's a defamation suit based on moore's public statements uh during his campaign claiming that this woman is a liar and his legal argument it actually has nothing to

do with like i didn't molest that woman when she was 14. His entire defense is that she's filing her suit in the wrong jurisdiction. What? Which feels like it shouldn't really matter. It seems like whoever the judge is in this jurisdiction just be like, okay, well, we're still going to decide if you're a child molester right now. And then I'll just call the judge in whatever other town and tell him where we landed. Well, let's just keep going, though. He's just standing across county lines.

They're safe. Someone bring me a teenage girl. Yeah. Yeah. So I guess the money troubles are a combination of the job market, but also the molesting. I left that part out. But actually, it's not the job market but also the molesting you left that part out but actually it's not the job market more claims that big atheism is keeping him unemployed but it turns out there actually is a good labor market for bigot pedophile judges in alabama it was like

we expected more actually makes about 180 000 a year for part-time work at the foundation for moral law oh uh i want to switch sides i just changed my mind by the way moving to kentucky not unreasonable uh despite being twice removed from his job as alabama chief justice more still gets a six-figure pension from that state as well. Nice. Granted, that doesn't cover $250,000 for legal defense against each of his nine and counting accusers, but fuck him. Nobody cares. Right.

Also, if you're going to fuck kids, get a rainy day fund, man. Kid fucking 101. Yeah. If we've learned nothing else from the Catholics, first you get the perpetual cemetery maintenance fund, then you fuck the kids. Okay. Get purple sanitary maintenance. Cross that out.

Cross that out. No. Circle that. Okay. So here's my advice for Roy Moore. Rizzle mizzle. If you need some money, I guarantee you there's demand for this.

Do some gay porn. Do some gay porn. There's so much demand. I don't think I know a single human being of any sexuality who wouldn't pay pretty good money to watch a cream pie video of Roy Moore and a Christian cake shop owner getting railed with dicks and tasty pastries. All the money you want, bro. Yep. In fact, I think, yeah, it's decided. We're officially hiring for that position

at Puzzle in a Thunderstorm. Give us a call, Roy. We're ready. Okay, I know what ZipRecruiter ad we're doing next time we have one. Nope. And in, for Christ's sakes, just be a gay guy news tonight a 1200 page dossier containing the names of 34 actively gay priests and six seminarians was released to the vatican this week thank to francesco magna carpa a gay male escort who told local media he couldn't put up with the priest's hypocrisy any longer wait wait

actively gay like that's how many of them are gaying at any given time i feel like i know what he means but i'm picturing a room in the vatican where priests are just working at shifts of 34 like switching off dicks like relay batons actually i think it's about the level of enthusiasm oh i see if you just lay there it's not technically gay oh okay that's a true thing you're passively gay but so was jesus well right because they fingered his holes and stuff yeah exactly so the document which includes erotic photos text messages and more is all about consenting adults, for the record, which, as we established last week, is fine. Okay, we hadn't established that until last week?

30% of us hadn't established it until last week. So again, just to be clear, totally fine to be a gay guy. Totally fine to be a gay guy who likes male escorts. Male escorts are great. Third best profession, just saying. Okay, well, you obviously want one of us to ask you which you think are the best the first one uh mormon prophet and vice mormon prophet

all right so i'm just throwing this down now either this story is true or some priest just needed a really quick excuse for the huge folder full of gay pictures he was carrying around but photos are just passively gay oh right that's okay still so the problem and mr magna carpa points this out is that it's not fine to be a gay guy who likes male escorts and be part of an international cabal of child rapists hoarding nazi gold who actively opposes gay rights and contraceptions wherever you have power. You have to choose. You see, you have to choose. Yeah, you do, but you also have to choose the former. Right? If it's those two. If you want to be

fine, I just want to be super clear that raping children with Nazi gold is bad even if you're an openly gay male escort. I just want to point that because you may not have seen it on the whiteboard. I do have it on the whiteboard. I've stopped looking. The print is too small. It's a lot of... Yeah, okay. I don't like

that we have a Venn diagram at work and one of the circles is fucking a child. Like, we shouldn't need the diagram. We shouldn't need it, no, but we should have it. I want you to know what subset is, but I guess that's not the biggest point. I feel attacked. And

so, of course because this isn't kid fucking the vatican is taking this very very seriously yeah right naples already stepping in and discussing disciplinary action you know because it's not kid fucking so just a reminder listeners and catholics if you're listening and i know you are being a gay guy totally fine preferable actually to being a straight guy being a gay guy who works to pour billions of dollars against your own sexuality not fine be a gay guy i feel like we need a theme song for this i'm gonna work on one we'll get another one of these and i'll i'll get anna all right well while we figure out what rhymes with hypocrisy we're going to take a break for an ad this week that has nothing to do with roy more being in gay

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You know, I've often wondered what religious women think. Like, I kind of get the Ann Coulter's and the Sandy Rios's of the world. Fly me around on a jet and pay me to be a massive bitch and I might be tempted to figure out the cleverest way to say that feminism is for sluts. But I haven't been to a church since video games had continue codes. And even when I was, I spent most of the time looking around like I was checking for fire exits whenever the Timothy Deuteronomy shit got started. But what do you do when your whole life is built around being a lesser kind of human? Fifty Shades of Grey has nothing on Fifty Shekels of Silver. Which brings me to my first story this week. It comes to us

through an expose by Marie-Lucille Kubacki in Women Church World magazine. Her article deals with a form of religious misogyny that doesn't get as much attention as it should on this segment. The damn near enslavement of nuns. Now, this article is surprising, not just because of its content, which I'll get to in a moment, but because Women Church World magazine is published by the Vatican. If the next article had been, we got to stop fucking all these kids, I would have been no less surprised at the level of honesty that made it past the papal censors. In the article, several nuns came forward under pseudonyms

to talk about the awful conditions they often live under. They work long hours as servants to priests and bishops, oftentimes with little or no pay, and they're not even allowed to eat at the same table with the men that they serve. So I guess we can at least hope there's a rash of nuns Octavia Spencer-ing the hell out of priests. And speaking of being full of shit, our next story takes us to Mississippi. Quick public service announcement to our listeners down there, they're coming for your uterus again, especially if it's got some cum in it. This week, Mississippi passed its much-anticipated 15-week abortion ban. The ban, if signed into law, would make it a felony

for a doctor in this state to perform an abortion after 15 weeks and does not, not include exceptions for rape or incest. You know, lest this be confused for anything other than an attempt to keep women pregnant and afraid. And the worst part is everyone involved knows it's illegal. This ban is bait by so-called religious rights group, the Alliance Defending Freedom, in the hopes it'll be challenged all the way up and Christianity can get a more favorable, read evil, president from the Supreme Court. That's right. It's not just inhumane, misogynistic bullshit. It's inhumane, misogynistic bullshit aimed at the national level. Now, as usual, we'll follow the story and hope someone at a lower court will stop it. Because from the Supreme Court, they gave us Trinity Lutheran.

There's no such thing as a no-brainer. Well, except for Thomas. And on that foreboding note, I'll turn you back over to Noah, Heath, and Eli. Thank you, Lucinda. that foreboding note i'll turn you back over to noah heath and eli thank you lucinda and in yes we kansas news lawmakers in kansas are apparently super happy with how everything's going in their state nobody seems to know why they feel that way but they do and that's why instead of working on doing a single real thing they've been busy crafting resolutions also known as doing nothing and writing a memo about it yep which sounds stupid but harmless i guess but not in kansas they managed to make doing nothing into hate speech resolution they came up with most

recently uh basically says l g bG-B, that's it. We will not abide a fourth fucking letter. Fuck that T. Now, that was a weird episode of Sesame Street. Fuck that T. That was a weird... So, the resolution starts like this. Quote,

Whereas all persons are created in God's image, there it is, and therefore have inherent dignity and inalienable rights. I feel like they're going to welch on that in a second. Yeah. Here it is. And whereas God's design was the creation of two distinct and complementary sexes, male and female. There it is.

There it is indeed and whereas transgenderism differs from hermaphroditism or intersexualism in that the sex of the individual is not biologically ambiguous and uh actually end quote i'm gonna stop right there because what the fuck were they talking about just now uh Pretty easy, Heath. God gave all men and women rights. Everyone else can go fuck themselves. Unless you disagree with George Washington, Heath. George got a holiday.

Got his own holiday. I feel like this is one of those things where the last guy to learn something assumes nobody else knew it. The guy who wrote this just found out that trans doesn't mean having a vagina on your dick. So he figures he should point that out in the resolution. Yeah. And from there, the rest of the resolution, it's basically like a crazy person in tears. Scream crying about the pronoun penis relationship being torn asunder. And it ends with it is resolved that trans is not a real thing known to the state of Kansas.

Fucking what? It's like cigarettes in California. It's real weird. Yeah, so again, other than being wildly offensive, there's absolutely nothing accomplished with this resolution. And that's because, again,

a resolution, a non-binding resolution, is basically just a meaningless declaration that uses the word whereas to make it sound smart. But it's not legislation. It's literally just a piece of paper that says, we think this now in our stupid state. So it's about as useful as Michael Scott declaring bankruptcy. Except in this case, I guess it's like if Michael Scott walked out of his office, yelled, I declare bankruptcy, and then Michael Scott walked out of his office, yelled, I declare bankruptcy. And then he just went right over to Stanley,

got right up in his face and screamed the N word. Now that's a weird episode of Sesame street. Yeah, I know that one was pretty weird. And then screamed the F word at Oscar. Yeah, it's ridiculous. And an extra systematic failure news tonight,

grown men in archaic dresses and silly hats to think their angels are planning a-long international conference to address the rise in people being non-consensually piloted by demons from the netherworld. And I'm an asshole for not showing it respect, apparently. Because the people running our universe simulation apparently collected sufficient data already, and now they're just fucking with us. Just an interdimensional being and now we make big bang theory the most watched show on television but make sure nobody he knows or has ever met watches it this is fun fridays are fun he's actually flying somewhere in april check it out check it out i got a baby detoxing from heroin sitting right behind it yeah so yeah we've been talking on this show for a while about the vatican's repeated hand wringing over an increase

in demonic possession and the unprecedented need for qualified exorcists partly because it's quintessentially insane and partly because we fear that if successful trump might take a cue from them and say as well also is there to keep out the white walkers but mostly we're tracking it because they're still raping fucking kids and covering it up instead of focusing on solving that problem they're spending vast resources making sure people don't say candy man in a mirror too many times okay okay one time is too many noah you never know all right you don't know how many times that mirror has been exposed to Candyman. I just said it.

I'm not. Well, okay. So just in case this wasn't stupid enough for you yet, the Vatican doubled down last week by proposing a possible vector for all these new demons. Friar Benigno Puglia. Anyway, one of the organizers of the upcoming conference explained that the increase is probably caused by fortune tellers and tarot card readers who, quote, open the door to the devil and to possession, end quote. When confronted with the fact that there hasn't actually been an increase in those activities, he responded, quote, like it fucking matters. This is all bullshit to make people think priests still do something other than fuck kids.

End quote. He's just like, seriously, name a thing. I'll blame that. And four million Spanish grandmas will forward that shit to their grandkids. Look, slinkies. Now it's slinkies. Yeah, right, right. Got a bunch of people that hate slinkies.

Woo. And finally tonight in Lawn Gnome Alaska news,.s congressman don young of alaska had a great idea last week about how to stop holocausts from happening i'm listening i'm listening okay well actually let me let me start from the beginning uh michelle bachman stared at a lawn gnome until it came to life it joined the the Republican Party. It moved to Alaska and it ran for Congress. It is named Don Young now. Sure, I believe you. It's the least ridiculous thing to happen.

And then last week, the gnome was thinking about all the mistakes made by Jewish people in Nazi Germany, like you do, you make lists like that. And he realized there were a bunch apparently the jewish people handled the whole thing very poorly but the biggest thing they did wrong was not owning enough guns oh god damn it to don young yeah just like those kids in parkland florida yeah right also deserved it and uh this was all such a useful series of ideas that he had the gnome decided

to say it all out loud on camera at a public event yeah because you know what the holocaust lacked was armed resistance i say it all yeah well right now if you think about it it was kind of their fault i mean there's something like half a million jews in germany in 1933 each of them only needed to take out 26 nazis i i've done done that on Biomic Commando in an afternoon without using a continue. This was not that hard, Jews. For the younger listeners, Biomic Commando was a video game before graphics. It was a sweet game. That was pretty fucking cool.

So during a conference in Juneau, Mr. Young was asked about his thoughts on school shootings. And here's what he had to say. Quote quote how many millions of people were shot and killed because they were unarmed what is 50 million in russia okay wait questions i have questions there's gonna be a lot of questions we gotta push through sometimes when don young's talking uh he continues how how many Jews were put in the ovens because they were unarmed? End quote.

And yeah, he didn't have a number for that Jewish question. So I guess he was really asking, do you guys know how many Jewish people were put in ovens because they didn't have a gun? Was it a lot? Okay, here's my question.

Does he think the Jews were unarmed due to gun control like in his mind is there a chapter in the rise and fall of the third reich where jews all like massively submit to a buyback program like what is that well yeah when they had guns in those concentration camps they didn't fuck with them and also i want to out, a lot of people that died in World War II were armed. A lot of people know that. Throw that out there, too. Yeah. All of the French army was just nightsticks. The clip ended with that question about the ovens, but

if we're extrapolating the rest of his remarks, the pattern tells us he continued, gas chambers tells us he continued. Gas chambers don't kill people. Unarmed victims kill people themselves. The Jews killed themselves. The Holocaust was really about. I mean, look at how they were dressed. No, sorry.

Just give me a second. I'm going to get it. The Jews did it. Damn it. Okay. it damn it I pass we ran it through the software you know bigot autocomplete alright well quick before Heath tricks Eli into opining on who needed

guns more between holocaust victim and American slaves we're gonna close out the headlines for the night Heath Eli thanks as always Uganda forever and when we come back, we'll end the blissful portion of our lives when we'd never read any Lee Strobel. Okay, hold still.

Hey, Eli, what are you doing? Oh, hey, Noah. Well, I'm just super excited about the American Atheist Convention, and there's so much merch to send, and it's also pricey and time-consuming, so... Carrier pigeons! Carrier pigeons. Eli, why not just try Stamps.com? Stamps.com?

Yeah. Stamps.com brings all the amazing services of the U.S. Postal Service right to your fingertips. You buy and print official U.S. postage for any letter any letter any package any class of mail using your own computer and printer wait any package because these guys can hold like a pound max which is amazing by the way for a pigeon that size don't do this okay anyway anyway stamps.com makes it easy they'll send you a digital scale that automatically calculates exact postage. Stamps.com will even help you decide the best class of mail based on your needs. No need to lease an expensive postage meter, and there are no long-term commitments. I wouldn't call it a commitment so much as I would call it like a partnership.

I don't know the commitment. You know, I was thinking a different. Well, anyway, we use stamps.com because it's the best way to send our merch and Patreon rewards all over the world. But I also use it for all my personal mailing and shipping needs too. And right now, you too can enjoy the stamps.com service with a special offer that includes a four-week trial plus postage and the digital scale. That does sound easier. So, how do I try it? Well, you go to stamps.com, click on the microphone at the top of the homepage, and type in scathing.

That's Stamps.com, enter scathing. Oh, of course we'll still hang out. It's just now we won't be work friends, you know. I noticed Heath had to play the pigeon in this sketch. How dare you after much internal discussion dialogue with our listeners and preemptive alcohol and or drug use we decided that the next book in our endless series of shitty books we read for you would be lee strobel's international bestseller the case for christ now we're not going to get to the book proper until next week

because we felt like we needed at least one week to prepare ourselves for the task at hand. So, gentlemen, any special exercises or anything that you did to prepare to dive so deep into such a shallow mind? Some post-emptive alcohol and drugs. That too, yeah. I also tried to do a pull-up, but it didn't take really. So, I've been doing flexed arm hang. There you go.

Yeah, I went to a farm and swam around in the actual shit of a bull in the hopes of homeopathic inoculation. So, we'll see. Good excuse. And somehow we renewed Lucinda's annual contract in our masochistic book club. Lucinda, how much are you

looking forward to a year's worth of pseudo-history and motivated bullshit? Well, I'm kind of hoping that after the Book of Mormon, I've developed an immunity to it. Right. Okay. Yeah. Very much like Eli's idea. Yeah. All right.

So we did crack this thing open a little bit and work our way through the introduction and stuff. But before we talk about that, I wonder if any of you want to take a stab at summarizing strobel's writing style um up gore five well done well done uh eli's notes without the edit okay we have to talk about how this is a stupid person but oh yes everything about this like there's whole pages that are like chapter three coming up you ready it's in two pages one page until everything's large print it's a heart this book is 45 pages if you put it in normal yeah right and he's that guy trying to use fancy words to sound smart but it's definitely a stupid person book. Absolutely. The first three words of the intro are in the parlance. Yes. Fuck you.

It's clearly supposed to be part of the argument, too. Like people are going to be going like, oh, he said parlance, syncope, per se, infinite. Fuck. Jesus is real. That means Jesus is real. Right. All right. Now, we should probably acknowledge up front that we've already seen the movie.

And obviously, we've heard all of these arguments that he makes in the book before. So, is there anything that you're particularly looking forward to? No. Good answer. I'm going to go with ancient coded coins about Jesus. Oh, right. That's going to be fun. I'm going to go with making it to my deathbed

without being included in the we saw the movie group. Fuck that noise. All right. Okay, so is there anything that you're particularly, this is an easier question to answer, I imagine. Is there anything you're particularly dreading? Well, now that I've read the intro, 2018, I guess. It's kind of ruined it for me.

2018 was already ruined. I am a little bit worried. I think he might convert me. Uh-oh. Who, right? I mean, parlance is a pretty sweet word. The more I think about it. I'm least looking forward to the argument from

what if he rubbed some tussin in the crucifixion debunking. Yeah, right. Before we get to the end of this, we're going to be debunking some awfully fucking stupid theories. I just want to point out that in the acknowledgments, he fatally undercuts the idea that he was an atheist when he started researching this book. Yes. Yeah, he basically starts the book with, I considered myself the average church-going atheist. Well, as an atheist, you know, I generally don't put together presentation series for my local church about how right they are, nor am I impressed by the faith of the people I interview.

Jesus. Yeah. And we're not even into the Arabic numeral pages. And I'm already mad. Like we're on page like letter I or whatever it was. And he describes Bible apologists as having quote humble and sincere faith can it be is that what humble me i'm taking away their humble we'll keep a list going so far humble and parlance do you get them back at the end of the school year if you're good probably still not

all right so he's going to introduce this thing we get to the introduction he's going to introduce it with a prolonged example of a cold case or not really i think the point he's going to introduce this thing. We get to the introduction. He's going to introduce it with a prolonged example of a cold case or not. Really? I think the point he's trying to make with this is reporter is a cooler job than you probably think. Right. And his point here is, look, even though all evidence is going to say one thing, sometimes it's another way, way, way, way, way less likely thing. Right. Or as I call it, the argument

from Adnan is innocent. Yeah, he's doing that like overdramatic professor thing from first day of class. He might as well line up like the entire fossil record on a table in front of him and like millions of years of evolution right? Sweeps it all off the table or is it all

a Jewish conspiracy? See, I read it more like evolution right sweeps it all off the table or is it all a jewish conspiracy see i read it more like let me start by talking about a murder trial so there's a reference to something interesting in this book yeah no that could be it um yeah so he's telling the seemingly open and shut case of dixon the cop shooter right and the story goes, the guy, Dixon, is fighting with his wife and a gun, you know, the way innocent people do. And the cops show up to break up the fight and he fights back, you know, the way innocent people do. And a cop gets shot. Dixon then confesses and pleads guilty. Or is there?

Right, yeah. But wait, there's more. It turns out the cop actually shot himself with a secret illegal ink pen gun. Yeah. And I love how he's trying to make it seem like he did something here. But some dude just called the newspaper where he worked and said, actually, he shot himself with a pen gun. Yeah. Do any journalism?

No. It isn't investigative work here. And when he showed up to, like, take a look at the evidence, the prosecutor said, already figured that out. So he wasn't, he didn't even, like, take the message from one person to another. Yeah, he didn't seek out this information. It proves the opposite of his, like, implied point,

which is that he's great at finding. Yeah, exactly. Yeah, he's like like if god called the earth on a giant speakerphone and was like yeah no i really did have my kid get nailed to a cross it seems like a weird thing to do but no yeah seriously like it i did it right and strobel thinks investigative reporting is listening to that speaker so now he goes back over all the evidence that seemed to point to dixon's guilt is listening to that speaker. Yeah, that's my call. Exactly. So now he goes back over all the evidence that seemed to point to Dixon's guilt, but now it points to Jesus being Lord.

Sorry, I got ahead of the analogy. It points to the pin gun thing. And then a roundabout way to Jesus being Lord. Yeah. Yeah, it's like someone retelling you the riddle about the surgeon except the son turns out to be a robot

and now they add the part where the parent is also a robot. They're like, what you didn't know. Yeah, and it looks like we're going to need to take away

Deus Ex Machina 2 for this semester. Because I'm pretty sure he's going to mangle that term and go for a literal God from a literal machine at some pretty sure he's going to mangle that term and go for a literal god from a literal machine at some point. It's going to be like, Dawkins giving a lecture, God's just going to land on his head

in a flying saucer and be like, nope! Me. I'm real. That would convince me. Also, he opens this bit out by pointing out that Dixon was pounding on his girlfriend's door with a gun and then he finishes by concluding that there's no evidence Dixon had violent tendencies and he tries so badly to pass over this he's just like you know you're pounding on the door she's got the music

blasting so what can you do to raise the volume of your knock without disturbing the Heideken rock well the butt of a gun yes Yes, that's exactly it. So then he's like, as for me, well, I had nothing to do with anything really, but I learned some important lessons that day from the speaker phone call. No matter what the evidence says, it could be wrong. Yeah, right. So he breaks it down. Lesson one, evidence can be aligned to point in more than one direction. I'll be taking a lot of advantage of that in this book, guys.

How do we know Jesus didn't shoot himself with a pen gun? Maybe it wasn't the Jews. Be careful, Lee Strobel. He might get away from you. You open this door. And then he gives this lesson, too. Evidence can be misleading based on your preconceptions. Yeah.

I'm still going to conclude that my religion is right, but I'm going to do it objectively. Right. Right. Yeah. I think this is called the argument from Clarence Thomas. Well, only if he didn't actually say the words. Yeah. Also, we're really going to be ignoring the dead people can't come back to life preconception along the way.

So it gives you wondering about which preconceptions we're going to be challenging. Yeah. And then we get to a sub chapter called from Dixon to Jesus, which it doesn't look bad until you say that. Yeah. You say, you're like,

man, maybe the guy's name could be Smith just from the mouth of babes. No, from the right of babes wait no from the right okay so he opens this one by saying for much of my life i was a skeptic in fact i considered myself an atheist and i'm sorry considered myself it sounds like that whole same-sex attraction thing but applied to disbelief identity politics yeah as someone who's watched enough of anthony magnabosco's youtube channel to knit a sweater of deluded lies at this point

i used to be an atheist always means i wasn't a crazy person yet yeah i'm too skeptical to be a skeptic the horseshoe theory of being rational it wraps around to create wait yeah yeah i'd summarize it as i used to think all the stuff that christians think atheists think yeah right right okay so here's his atheist thought this is what he offers up as the evidence that he used to conclude that god was mythological with back when he was an atheist okay how. How could there be a loving God if he consigned people to hell for not believing in him? How could miracles contravene the basic laws of nature? Didn't evolution satisfactorily explain how life originated?

And what do you mean this man is made of straw? It's a real guy. Dude. See, I'm wondering if he's going to answer any of these questions. No, no, he is not. Not that that would matter. No.

Of course, he's also got to add that even as an atheist, he obviously still thought Jesus was the bee's knees. Right. Just not God. Yeah. Jesus is all right. Yeah, it's just like, great. Okay, so we've established that Jesus was perfect and maybe God, but maybe not. We don't know. That's where we are. Will you just grab the other end of this goalpost? Yeah, great. Okay, so we've established that Jesus was perfect and maybe God, but maybe not. We don't know.

That's where we are. Will you just grab the other end of this goalpost? Thanks. Right. Maybe God is where we are starting now. Right. He does this obvious like, I knew Jesus was a great man full of wise teachings and not a bananas and pajamas level crazy person who at best wanted to curb Bronze Age mandatory murder.

Well, and then he actually just says, Jesus was nothing more than the fanciful invention of superstitious people. Or so I thought. He just says Jesus three times in the mirror. Ah! And then we get to the inciting incident. He's like, then my wife became a Christian.

That bitch. Right, yeah. And like any atheist, he was afraid that she'd A, become a sexually repressed prude. Okay. B, trade all their fun life for prayer nights. Okay. And C, make him go to soup kitchens with poor people in them fuck you right right but instead she just turned better you know like christians

yeah yeah such an obvious dodge that she became a prude right like why would you put that in there if you're not gonna say no i'm telling you she let me put that crucifix anywhere I wanted to. Which, by the way, if that was the case, worth it. Yeah, but I love it. It's like, you know, like, dude, we know your wife's going to read this. But he's like, no. So I set aside my atheism and I studied Jesus. And it turned out the only conclusion I could hope to sell a book about in 1992 was the one I reached.

What are the odds? It brings up a pretty important question. What was he going to do if he concluded that Jesus wasn't real? Right. Podcasts? Fair. Yeah, fair. 20 years later anyway.

And then we reach the final bit of the intro where he challenges us to judge for ourselves. And the opening is basically, are you sure you're an atheist? reached the final bit of the intro where he challenges us to judge for ourselves and the opening is basically are you sure you're an atheist like like how sure are you positive oh okay if you're so sure how many you have you won't mind counting your fingers and toes again again. All right, asshole. Well, I have a humble and sincere faith in my atheism. Are we done? Go fuck yourself. That's my new answer for subway preachers for every question.

Well, let's not be so dismissive. He has 13 leading scholars and authorities, damn it. How many do the atheists have? Oh, right. The rest of them shit. Yeah, right. The rest of shit. Yeah, exactly. All of them minus 13.

Yeah. Okay. So then he tells us he's looked at all the evidence. This is so good. And then he lists the type of evidence. He's looked at the eyewitness evidence. There is none. The documentary evidence.

There is none. That's contemporary anyway. Corroborating evidence. What? That's meaningless. Well, the first two. Yeah, exactly. Evidence evidence. Yeah, right. No, it gets worse. temporary anyway uh corroborating evidence what that's meaningless well the first two yeah exactly evidence evidence yeah right no it gets worse rebuttal evidence that's not a different kind

of evidence that's just all that stuff but going the other way many scientific evidence hey you got one um psychological evidence fucking what what circumstantial evidence ding ding ding ding ding and yes this is his fucking words and yes even fingerprint evidence what yeah i should have saved my fucking what for that one sorry i went early on the psychological evidence never happened to me before yeah he's going uh he's going over it in the meeting he's like okay guys what kind of evidence is there okay who said logical possibility this is serious uh josephus get out get out leave right and then at the very end he's like so be objective and don't forget that your immortal soul relies on agreeing with me yes yes in the middle of his

be objective speech he he's like, also you'll go to hell if you're wrong on this one. I fucking love it. Alright, well that's where the book begins but that's where we're going to end our read for today. So I have to ask, are you guys up for the challenge that Lee has laid before us to be objective?

Oh fucking god. This is worse than regular jury duty. Isn't it? I do not want to do. I'm blinking hostage. Hostage. So tap out Marsh. Tap out. Marsh is used to this shit.

No, it's Marsh code. All right. So let's let me give this thing the hard sell here. Will we change our minds? Will we accept the divinity of Jesus? Will it turn out this whole show was just one big misunderstanding? No. But tune in next week anyway, as we take our seat in the jurors thing, there's probably a name for it,

and begin to examine the case for Christ. Before we make like a baby and head out, I want to let everyone know that if you're going to be at the American Atheist Convention in Oklahoma City on Easter weekend, you can look for us there. We're going to have a table. We'll be slinging merch, taking selfies, licking Eli, and we'd love a chance to meet you in person. I know that sounds like the kind of thing I'd say even if I didn't really mean it, but we're spending a lot of money to be there. And the only real reason is for a chance to thank you for listening face to face. So if you're going to be there, please do us a favor. Come by and give us that chance. And if you need more info about the contract, the show notes for this

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